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Welcome into Clips and Dip, episode
five of season two. I believe I

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got that right off top black my
new hat with the tags on, because

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that's how the kids were these days. I'm Oudam Oslin. We got Will

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Updike and Chuck Mockler here, the
Triumphant, the Tripod. We're back and

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we're live. So thanks to you
guys who are watching us right now on

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YouTube live. We appreciate it.
That's at clippers podcast on YouTube. At

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clippers pod on Twitter's where you can
find a build this. Yeah, I

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actually hold on, let me find
that script I got. Oh no,

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it's just this different body's back together. This is I mean, this is

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probably the second best trio of all
time, justin in all of trios.

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Yeah, okay, I'll take that. Yeah, that's fair first best.

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It's obviously a trio Dolly parton Linda
Risa, of course. So you guys

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are here because it's live today,
and that means you can actually send us

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questions and we'll answer them directly on
this YouTube stream and Adam will be nicer

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than he is on the radio.
Right Usually I'm a meaner on here.

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I'm a little more hornering and angry
it's prone to lash out, but we'll

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take all your questions. We can
see him right now, Jesse says,

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what's up, Fellas, that's kind
of a question. What's up? Jesse?

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Right back at you. Off to
a good start with the nice man.

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This is also this is a wonderful
example of Adam not reading the Breakdown

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because we have a bunch of questions
from Twitter that we can get into people

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breakdown too. I'm just making sure
we get the hot take questions in here

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also. So later on coming up
in the show, we'll talk about a

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clip that we posted at Clippers Pod
on our Twitter and it was Coach Slew

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talking about the regular season and discussion
he had with superstars. Will get into

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all that in the second segment.
We did put a poll out there too,

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talking about James Harden at Clippers Pod. But yes, Chuck, you

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want to start things off with this
wild mailbag of madness, so as we

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like to call it, Yes,
thank you to everyone who sent questions in

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slow newsweek is all I'm want to
say about the amount of questions we got,

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which I think makes sense. There's
not a whole newsweek fucking aliens man.

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No one cares about that life is
too hard for us to care about

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the aliens. Militant mind four says, I think the Clippers should try and

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go after a Zach Levine or Siakam
instead of Harden. What do you guys

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think and what would a package for
either look like? Our last episode,

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justin Russa was on, he talked
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kind of all in with putting in
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Powell. With that, I do
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probably rather have. I think most
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scenario, but I think what I
think it'd be another talking about I would

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rather have Pascal. We need a
guard? Are you most people? I

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might be? So, what are
we trading for Levine? Are you doing

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the Russo all period? Yeah?
Picks man Um, I'd like to keep

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one like I would probably still like
to keep Norm for some scoring off the

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bench. Some durability question questions with
Levine as of recent um and still not

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exactly what Pascal's at UFA. Also
after this upcoming season, I take back

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what I just like, I didn't
realize that was this contract, so someone

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didn't read the rundown or do research. I never do research. I make

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the rundown. I like. So
Siakam is interesting to me because I mean,

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obviously, if you're the Raptors,
you're gonna want a lot. You

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have seen them ask for way too
much and then let players walk for nothing,

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So maybe you could get a deal
done there. With me, Pascal

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is a little bit of a different
calculus. Like for Pascal, I want

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to send out one of our two
forwards. We do not need three max

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to maxish forwards on this team.
It just doesn't make any sense from a

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roster building. Like from a roster
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that you got to get a guard
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these moves. I'm gonna be pro
any move, um that's it's going to

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get this team younger. But I
can for a younger guard absolutely absolutely every

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time. Yeah, absolutely, I
think anything that's gonna get this team younger

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and more athletic is definitely good.
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money we're already paying to forwards,
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of two and three, to me, one of those guys has to go

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out for him to come in like
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to me, it would be the
crux of the trade. Um. And

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I know that that's you know,
going to be a down grade, uh

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offensively from Paul Org. I don't
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I don't know what he wants to
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like it just doesn't make any sense
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for yet another forward, like I
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perspective from you know, what he's
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Like I just don't really see it. It just doesn't. It just doesn't

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really but like in the wrong direction, Like I know, you know,

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it's just like swinging at a ball
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the park or like is not even
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the strike zone to be perfectly honest, Like it's like like chill. So

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that one, for me is is
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think is interesting. I still don't
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necessarily that really like fits um what
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think that, I mean, I
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little bit of a better fit for
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just in terms of like how he
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little bit more positionally adept than leaving
movie. Not comparing the two players,

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not by any stretching in terms of
what positions they can fill in. The

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one is like like all it like
an elite score or all in yeah,

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yeah, like level talent, and
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but I like it like I'm still
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move. Um. Still, I
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both realistically, um, but if
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the table, I do like the
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So I do like the zach LEVI
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with you on the thing of I'd
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because I mean, as is Adam, where where are you at on this?

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most sense because he's the one guy
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out of his situation and he wants
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just talking about talent, Yeah,
Zach Levine, Pascal Siakam, they'd obviously

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be great additions, but it would
take more to get them. You're going

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to have to give up a lot
more than you would have for Hardened,

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for Harden, there's still I think
a realistic possibility. You don't have to

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give up Terrence Man or Norman Powell
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first round picks. You're giving up
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Pascal Siakam is an unrestricted free agent
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of teams if the Raptors made it
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now, would be in on him, and that would drive up the price

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alone. Yeah. Absolutely, This
is also a team Massiah Jerry's a great

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GM. But they lost Fred van
Vleet for nothing. They didn't make that

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move. They wanted Terrence Man apparently
from the Clippers for him. Regardless of

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what you think of that, just
the fact that they were willing to play

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out a season with a guy who
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does kind of underscore who they are
as an organization, how they want to

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run things. So I don't know
if they're exactly ready yet to move on

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from Pascal Siakam or take whatever the
best offer is now when they could still

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wait for the trade deadline. But
he'd be a great fit because obviously there's

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a void at the four position with
the Clippers right now. Hopefully there's quite

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well. I think we're going to
see some of this cleaned up by the

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end of the summer where there's a
clearer picture on who exactly is going to

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be the starting four. But yeah, an upgrade and talent makes sense there.

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Pascal Siakam has played next to Kawhi. Leonard won a championship. I

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forget if it was Game one or
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Finals against the Golden State Warriors,
but kind of had his moment and he's

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been good since then. He has
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left there, so he's grown as
a player. He's twenty nine, Zach

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Levine's twenty eight. But Levine has
four more years left on his deal and

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that last year I think is for
forty eight million, and that's a player.

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Yeah, but oh loo for whatever
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Yeah, tap goes up almost ten
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everybody that's talking about Jayalen Brown,
it's like you casual as you didn't know

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he was getting that contract. Really
remember when he was getting it? Yeah,

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the biggest contract, you got one
hundred and seventy or whatever. Who

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the next guy who's due for a
contract, will you serve the last biggest

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contract? Ever? As long as
he's in a certain tier. That's what

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we saw with Jalen Brown. But
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underrated. His athleticism almost works against
him in the media with the narrative about

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him just being a dunker. This
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is one year at UCLA from three. He was always a good shooter,

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and he's only gotten better at the
guy's been in league for how many years.

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I'm making the point that it's not
just that he got better as an

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outside shooter recently he's been like that. It's just the spectacular dunks or what

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everybody looks at the highlights. That's
true, and the bulls haven't been exactly

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good. So there's not a huge
national spotlight on him. Yeah, I

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would love any team that you coach, because you would just have a ragtag

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group of kids who at one point
shot well from the outside, and you'd

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just be trying to get it back
the little basketball. I want to bring

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up a point about Pascal that I
think is a really good call. Adam,

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you kind of talked about how the
Raptors can wait to make that trade.

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One of the issues with the Hardened
trade is that we all want this

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to happen as soon as possible.
We need as much time of this version

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of the Clippers together before basketball starts
to really get used to playing with each

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other and all that stuff. I
don't think if the Clippers don't make a

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Hardened trade before the season starts and
they make some big move at the deadline,

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I think all of us and take
a before the season starts Harden trade

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to a maybe we'll make a huge
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that, that's just not enough time
for this Clippers teem to get to where

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it needs to be. I don't
think. I agree. I agree,

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and I honestly think with any move, especially with the Hardened move though,

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right because he is you know that
there's so much uncertainty about you know,

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where he will be after next season, right, Yeah, I think that

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it behooves you to do it before
you come into the season. And I

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think I've talked myself into the hardened
thing a little bit even more so,

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I'm still like, I still think
you're you're in a weird position where you

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have to ride the line, right
because I think that you absolutely need to

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make this trade so you can say, hey, we've tried every single possible

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combination and a top to your talent, Like around two and three, we've

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good of a guys, we're gonna
get like we've literally we've done everything that

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we can do. We you know, we've added you know, we we

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win at it from the extreme depth
perspective. We tried to speed things up

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with you know, an older guard
in John Wall that we could afford.

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Uh, you know, we we
got a deal and a resign on on

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Russ you know when he was a
buyout. Um. But I think that

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this is the thing that's like he
is, you know, the most traditional

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of point guards who still has a
great outside shot. He also you know,

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plays at the type of tempo that
the Clippers kind of like the play

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at slow old old man. Yeah, and so I think that. I

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think that on one hand, it's
like this makes the most sense. But

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on the other hand, I get
why you're hesitant a totally because of the

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draft capital that you have available should
that become a you know, a factor

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in an eventual hardened deal. And
B because let's say it doesn't work right

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Like let's say once, which is
an entirely possible, the same thing happens

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that always happens. You know,
we don't get enough games out of Kawai

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and Paul George, we lose someone
late. I'm still not of the belief

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that this Clippers team, with a
new stadium open, is in a position

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where they're ready to pivot away from
this. I just don't. I just

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don't really see it. Um So, I think it's it's a little bit

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of a damned if you do,
damned if you don't. I'm on the

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side of let's get it done,
but let's get it done for the right

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price, and so if that means
waiting, I'm willing to wait. But

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the thing that I have reservation is
just about like as a fan, as

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a person, as a whatever podcaster
is, I'm just tired of excuses like

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I don't I don't want to hear
if everybody like, like, let's say

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everybody is healthy and there's a second
round flame out again from the Clipper talent.

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You're tired. I just like don't
want to hear like, oh,

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we didn't have enough time. It
was this, it was that, Like

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I'm just I'm just kind of tired
of it. Yeah. I agree with

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the point Chuck was making there originally
of you gotta put yourself said, but

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no, no, no, I
like what you said about Harden being and

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said right before that whole thing you
were, you know, dealing with.

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If you listen to this podcast,
go ahead to rewind back like three to

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five minutes, and I can't remember
did you mention that Harden played at Arizona

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State? I can't remember. If
we're just position breakdown from ASU, dude,

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like, are you even like what
beardless that was his position. But

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the point is I agree with what
Will saying too, and that you don't

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of the essence. They're running out
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was ever a moment where you push
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team together, in training camp with
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not waiting till the trade deadline and
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had more time with these guys later
on, it can work out. We'll

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kick the can down the road and
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different, because we thought last season
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last season they were going to get
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get into more of this a little
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be taken more seriously, and they
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where there are a lot of moving
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out there with the different problems they
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The roster that came in, the
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signing us and signing Mason Plumley gives
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wasn't there obviously till later last season. And that's great. But if you're

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going to do the James Harden experiment
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think it behooves you to make the
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of we're okay, and this is
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don't want to disrupt that. It's
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James Harden is a risk to taking
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Harden. At this point, with
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like there has to be some moves
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Ja Russo. I asked him this
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closer or get them closer to a
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you, then I think you have
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it is. I think he does
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them an opportunity to bring Russ off
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there's a more likely chance that Russ
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I think a lot of people would
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lot of reasons to do it,
a lot of wills that we'll see.

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We got a couple of questions.
We got a couple questions. Get to

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you. We're gonna talk about more
James Harden stuff from the SEC. This

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one I liked from Hovester nine.
It's something we haven't talked about all offseason,

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which does make sense. They ask, what is the expectation for Zoobots

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this year? Do we need to
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you good with where he's at?
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which I like that that end piece. Where are we at on Zoo?

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If we get Harden? Is it
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to be even less of a factor
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by quite a bit in that offensive
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we just want to see maybe a
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not going to be asked to do
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what his ceiling is right now.
I do know that people will complain whatever

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he ends up doing. I have
high expectations for Vitza Zubots. I always

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have but especially coming into this season
off of the playoff, I think overall

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poor performance from him against the Phoenix
Suns, where all of us pretty much

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unanimously we're thinking, oh, he
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May not be totally lopsided, but
he played very well against him in the

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twenty twenty one playoffs, and that
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especially obviously in that game five or
Zubas didn't play much at all in the

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second half, and big plum took
over. But Zubots is turning twenty six

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now, and at some point you
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as they age, where the glimpses
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year, when the Clippers were a
top five defense and he was basically holding

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it down as the anchor because not
a lot of guys were playing that great,

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but Vitza Zubats was making up for
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would like to see more of that
throughout the entire regular season. They were

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still so much better with him on
the floor. Defensively, they went from

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one fourteen point nine defensive rating with
him on the floor to basically be in

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what would be the worst defense in
the league without him on the floor,

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at a one twenty one point two
defensive rating. San Antonio had the bottom

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defense last year at one nineteen,
so one twenty one's pretty damn bad without

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him. But he's still had his
worst individual defensive rating for his career after

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that hot start. Now he was
banged up, he obviously missed games.

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I do think, though, there's
more untapped potential to a vitsa Zoo bots

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in terms of just consistency, and
I want to see it this season.

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He's twenty six now, he's not
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He's not just a guy who we
think has this ceiling that will see

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down the road. It's time for
it to come to fruition because he can

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really actually help this team by becoming
a more consistent player, more reliable player.

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him involved at times feed Zoo find
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that Plumbe is there to start off
the season that stays that saves his legs

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to a degree. Will I look
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been just leaving this episode if you
haven't been watching on YouTube. Will has

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entered and exited in some form of
another at least two times so far,

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just two times. Well, the
first one I had to turn off AC

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it turned it off. It's it's
hot as hell, but like at the

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noise is it's loud. I have
a like a well we couldn't hear it

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aggressive air conditioner. If you want
to turn it back on, go ahead,

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and you might get reviews about it
might be on the audio. You

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know, I'm always caring about the
audio. Of course, you're an audio

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file. Um yeah, I agree
with that. Him. Wait, where's

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Zoo go to college? So one
thing I like, Adam. I totally

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agree on the consistency part. We
love the highs of Zoo, but there

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needs to be some consistency late in
the season and things like that. I'm

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excited you mentioned kind of like rust
being with the second unit. Tyler loves

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offense. Zoobots is going to be
the starting center for the Clippers. I'm

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really interested to see what Mason Plumley's
minutes per game is with one part of

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the big two one three, because
I think that Zoo on the bench really

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helps the defense a little bit,
you know what I'm saying, Like,

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obviously Mason Plumley does not totally help
the bench on defense, but I wouldn't

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be surprised if we see more Zoo
with the second unit time and things like

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that. Not saying that, like
Mason Plumley will play more minutes than Zoo

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with the first unit, but it'll
be a pretty healthy dose, I think

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because last year we had Moses Brown
who was not going to see any time

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with the two one three unit.
There was that comment from Plumbly that was

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kind of interesting for the team.
Plumbly big plum truthers out there that thinks

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that he should be starting over Zoobots, But they talked about competing in I

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don't know if you're talking about training
camp or preseason, but like it wasn't

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a foregone conclusion. It felt like
in his mind, I'm totally paraphrasing here

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and being based it should play one
on one whoever, that's how the game's

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played, So it's just do it
like that, Hikim and Chap one on

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one game. We never got from
before Opening night. That's how this team

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kind of operates at this point.
Let's see before the national anthem they play

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one on. They do it at
warm ups. Yeah, that warm ups

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opening night. That's who the starting
center is. They're playing harsh. It's

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h A r S and say hrs. I'd like that edge though from Plumley

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and that could he's a great bat. Like. I think there's a friendship

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there or a good relationship and everything, but it's still a competition. You're

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still competing for a spot and you
still want to have I dangle that carret

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a little bit to always keep guys
as motor is possible. Competition is a

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good thing, even within a team. I think the big thing for me

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with Zoo like even it's hard to
disregard the contract just because of where the

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Clippers are at in terms of the
cap. If not Zoo, then who

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is kind of like like seriously like
looking at them, like you know,

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looking at the market out there.
Maybe you know, trade for a center.

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Maybe we pull the all switchero Hardens
off the table, we end up

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with embed ships Zoo on out of
here. But I don't really see that

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it's happening Um, so I'm not
worried about him offensively, I think that

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what he provides on the other end
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Um. But just yeah, once
again, like looking at the field of

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of what's available out there and what
the Clippers have to spend or like what

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I mean, like, are you
willing to give up assets for another center?

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Like what is the upgrade level from
zoobots? You know what I'm saying.

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Like I'm not saying that there aren't
better centers out there, but I'm

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saying, kid, yeah, like
what are you realistically willing? We just

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prayed to shore up that position,
Like if there was if the mythical center

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existed out there that was better than
Zoo on offense and somehow he could stop

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yo could like a yoga stopper,
Like sure, yeah, let's go for

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it. Um, I just don't. I don't know that guy, all

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right, last question before the break. This is from Clippers Meme King and

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the person who made our wonderful background
here on clips and Dip. If you're

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watching this on YouTube YouTube dot com
slash at Clippers podcast er, that is

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there. That's all dangle. Eric
l l WTF. Eric asked given Chuck

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Mockler's huge affinity for podcast p which
player on the team would you want to

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see a podcast from and who would
their random co host and gimmick be.

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His example was Underground Uninterrupted with Lou
Williams Live from Magic City featuring Ralph Lawler.

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Well, that's the best one that
you could possibly make, So I

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think I would go with there's a
famous photo that may or may not be

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Kawhi Leonard or was a video of
Kawhi Leonard. I would do a similar

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thing, but with Kawhi and Zoobots
live from Magic City called I guess we

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would call it Zoo and the Claw
is what we would call it, and

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they would just be them kind of, you know, kind of a daily

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update on what was happening in Magic
City that particular night. I like the

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idea of Kawai being the guy because
while he doesn't talk much at all,

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we hang on to every word he
does say because of that he's a conic,

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there's weight to his words. But
I want to see him paired up

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with the guy who brings a lot
out of him that we know has a

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reputation for doing so. In serge
Ibaka Kawhi on his cooking show Serge right

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now, free agent, I'm hoping. I mean, he's not gonna come

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back. Man. No, the
co host doesn't have to be an active

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player, just okay, the main
guy, right, the main guys Kauhi

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co host Surge Ibaka because Kauh I
also had the what A Do Baby while

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in the car with Search. So
I think that tandem would be a good

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podcast. Well what are you going
with? I guess I have two.

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Um, one would be Russell Westbrook
with either Ralph Lauren or Rick Owens,

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and it would be called Ralph Lauren
would definitely listen to that or Rick Owens

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like I'm trying to think. I'm
trying to think of the dichotomy of Russell

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Westbrook and to me, it's an
old white fashion designer. I love that

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the podcast would be called Street Clothes. Even though Russ does play a lot,

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he's not generally referred to a street
close. Um, but you know,

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they could they could call out bumbs
in the NBA, they could do

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they could do all sorts of stuff. It's a good idea. UM.

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So I like that one. And
then the other one would be Terrence Man

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and h multimedia artist Jeff Koons and
it would be called Yeah, it would

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be called modern art, but with
an F in like a little but they

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get taking modern art. Yeah,
well, Terence has terrible taste in art,

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and Jeff Cone is one of the
most divisive artists. I feel like

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that'd be a really funny pairing.
Those are great, Those are great options,

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Adam. I don't want it to
be about basketball. I guess it's

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also what I'm saying, Just make
a podcast, don't make another NBA podcast.

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Want I want Paul George's podcast to
be about fishing. I would love

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Yeah, are you kidding me?
I would actually I would listen to that

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podcast. You guys still detractors on
his podcast. I wouldn't call me a

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doctor an I'm an active suppressor.
I'm okay, fine, give me my

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credit. All right, coming up, we're gonna be talking. We're do

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kind of a throwback to the what
you Say Wednesday Bowl for the old lockdown

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Clippers fans out there. We got
a couple of questions about Westbrooklyn and Harden

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and then we're gonna get into Tylou
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hosted by former NBA players, which
is a great idea. But first there's

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ads coming up, so those have
been too loud for you, go ahead

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and turn it down. But after
that we're talking James Harden trade options coming

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up in three two one. All
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Dip season two, episode five.
Thank you for listening to us, Thanks

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for watching us, which is something
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life. We are over at YouTube
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see Adams. He's very proud of
his new hat. He's now he has

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every tag on you guys see it
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on that? Like? There's more
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Um. So we asked Clipper Nation
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I like it a lot more than
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which one? The gray one?
People are hating on the gray one.

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I don't like the gray one.
I don't get it. People were

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hating on it. What does it
have to do with the Clippers? What

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00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:57,279
do you mean it's the Clippers logo? It's boring. Um We asked clipper

405
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:03,359
Nation over Adam So during the season, Adam had a fun time. But

406
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:10,799
I think Adam is seeing what offseason
Will and Chuck could be like sometimes.

407
00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:15,880
Adam, no doubt was going to
read the breakdown for the first time halfway

408
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,720
through this episode, so we asked
cliber nation on Twitter, what is your

409
00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:23,920
biggest hold up with the James Harden
trade. The options were including Terence or

410
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,960
Norm, including first round picks,
including both Terence or Norman first round picks,

411
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:37,079
and then nothing send whatever. The
runaway winner in this was including Terence

412
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:42,160
or Norm, and it was not
Norm. Every single person who commented who

413
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,559
said they voted for this option said
they would miss Terrence a lot more.

414
00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:51,599
So it doesn't seem like people have
an issue with trading Norm Powell. Including

415
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,680
both Terrence or Norm and a first
round pick was second place with twenty eight

416
00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:00,119
percent. Nothing send whatever was third
place with twenty percent, And no one

417
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:07,519
cares about first round picks because eight
percent of people took that option. Adam,

418
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,160
you just had to go do a
rage walk and put on an uninspiring

419
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,720
hat. Design wise, what would
you have voted for on this on this

420
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,559
option? Like, camera didn't pick
up me and my own doors? No,

421
00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:22,160
I don't know, dude. All
your camera's picking up is uh,

422
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:27,480
cinder blocks and Ninja Turtles. Yeah, I gotta get this cleaned up over

423
00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:30,960
here. Okay, someone on YouTube
just said trade for Ben Simmons, And

424
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,160
I'm about to text Joseph Fry Award
and see if that's his burner, because

425
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,000
that's a Joseph Fry Award want right
there. The name is ghost. I

426
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,079
could Adam, where would you vote
for on this? What's your bug a

427
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:49,759
boo with trading for James Harden?
Well, I I think people just assume

428
00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:55,000
it's baked in that Norman Powell would
have to be included, and Terrence Man

429
00:30:55,079 --> 00:31:00,000
is the guy that would be too
far or too much to get up from

430
00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:06,440
the Clippers side. And he's a
homegrown player here. He's beloved his game.

431
00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:08,960
Six thirty nine points is an old
timer against the Utah Jazz to get

432
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,640
him to the Western Conference finals.
We love Terrence Man. And he's also

433
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,400
on the much cheaper deal. So
if it's not Norman Powell, then who's

434
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,599
being included to match the contracts of
James Harden? Who's everybody? Nine points?

435
00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:27,599
By the way, I thought I
said thirty. He said go back

436
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:37,799
to college stats. But I'm gonna
pull up a scantron here, slap little

437
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:45,759
to face. But I can understand
the trepidation and the reluctance to want to

438
00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:49,200
include Terrence Man. So it makes
sense to me how the polling went.

439
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,960
Norman Powell is more of a mercenary
type you bring in to get over the

440
00:31:55,000 --> 00:32:00,319
top, to get your first championship. But they're both obviously very valuable for

441
00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:04,200
this team. And if Philly can
pull off the trade and bring in Norman

442
00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:07,319
Powell, that's not nothing. I
know Daryl Morey's talking about, Well,

443
00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:12,599
if we're not getting another star player
in return, then we have to get

444
00:32:12,599 --> 00:32:15,279
a bunch of high draft picks and
turn those into you're not getting called George.

445
00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:19,559
Everyone keeps keep seeing Philly fans on
Twitter, but like you just swap

446
00:32:19,599 --> 00:32:23,200
PG for James Harden, Like the
Clippers aren't going to do that. It's

447
00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:29,920
posturing. Is the big beginning of
negotiations. It makes sense that they would

448
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:34,039
be that staunchly against it right now, so they up the offer from the

449
00:32:34,079 --> 00:32:37,640
opposition. But yeah, I don't
want to see Man leave either. I

450
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,559
don't want to see anyone leave really, but you have to give to get

451
00:32:40,039 --> 00:32:44,799
all kind of saying James Harden can
make this team better and get them closer

452
00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:47,440
to a championship. I don't want
to see anyone leave. No, I

453
00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:51,640
love them all. Who are you? Who do you want to see?

454
00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:54,039
Marcus Morris? Jeez? What name? What do you mean? What do

455
00:32:54,079 --> 00:32:57,599
you mean, dude? I want
to see leave? Um? Well,

456
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,680
where are you at on this?
Are you in the Let's not anybody?

457
00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:02,920
Uh? We're a great team and
we rule. Yeah, can't we just

458
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:08,279
absorb him into space? Yeah?
Yeah? We trade cash for cash or

459
00:33:08,359 --> 00:33:19,680
more cash or whatever. Um,
I think since we already have Westbrook completely

460
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,839
different player obviously than Norm Powell,
but I think we're bringing in yet another

461
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:29,400
guard. Um. I feel like
Norm is like kind of he is the

462
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:35,519
one thing of value that we really
include in that trade. And then I

463
00:33:35,599 --> 00:33:39,640
mean the thing is just the difficulty
of it being sort of a one year

464
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:45,319
situation, right. Um, So
I think like Norm filler because they have

465
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:50,880
to take some salary off of our
hands. Um, Tucker in and some

466
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,319
horrible like you know what I mean. Like, I feel like where I'm

467
00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:59,200
at is like the Clippers pick the
first pick that they can trade out is

468
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,720
twenty twenty eight, right, I
think so might twenty seven? Um?

469
00:34:04,119 --> 00:34:07,839
Either way, you know, long
time for now, we still don't even

470
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:12,280
know the future of what you know, like Paul George and Kawai situation is

471
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,599
going to be with this team,
I would say my best offer this is

472
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:20,679
like, this is my best offer, and it's it's norm a swap and

473
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,280
filler. That seems like a good
offer, norm a swap and filler and

474
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,920
like and if the hang up is
that it can't be a swap, it

475
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,039
has to be at first you say
good. So like, I don't know

476
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:36,920
that I love giving up. I
still don't know that I love giving up

477
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,760
at first. Not that the Clippers
have drafted, you know, spectacularly well,

478
00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:45,679
but it's just it's just one more
It's I understand what you're saying.

479
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:50,159
It's just me. Yeah, it's
going if we get over that double apron,

480
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,840
then you know, things get tighter
with what we can trade. I'm

481
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,639
not even thinking about like the draft
prospect um so much as you know,

482
00:34:57,679 --> 00:35:00,599
like that's ammunition that you have if
you have to do some sort of other

483
00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:04,519
deal. Right, all right,
So we got a couple of questions about

484
00:35:04,519 --> 00:35:10,599
this. Trent Maddox, one of
Adam's favorite people on Twitter, said said

485
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:15,639
in regards to pairing Westbrook and Harden. Are we just going to ignore the

486
00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:19,079
part where Russ is back and Tie
is still the coach? How is this

487
00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:22,119
gonna work? So to Adam,
when you were talking about you would assume

488
00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:25,719
it seems like that when Harden joins
the team, Russ would go to the

489
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:30,199
bench. I do not think that's
a given. I would like to see

490
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,119
that. Okay, totally agree.
I would like to see that too.

491
00:35:32,599 --> 00:35:37,800
In your heart of hearts, does
it seem like that would be the case

492
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:42,880
or does it seem like we're starting
all of those guys and then potentially because

493
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,039
someone else asked if we should move
Kawai and Michael Hannich asked, like,

494
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:50,880
you know, if we trade for
Harden and we bring everybody on and we're

495
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,480
starting those five, move Kawai and
PG down like a lot of people who

496
00:35:53,480 --> 00:36:01,920
have wanted. I wait, you're
saying start Westbrook and so before you disappear,

497
00:36:02,159 --> 00:36:07,159
sorry Russ, Sorry you're saying to
start Harden and Russ. So we

498
00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:14,079
were just saying it before you left. But if does that see my headphones

499
00:36:14,119 --> 00:36:15,920
on, hey you we couldn't see. We know what you're doing them there?

500
00:36:16,199 --> 00:36:22,039
Um, does it seem like Ty
would actually bench Russ? Or are

501
00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:25,239
we getting two one three Russ,
Harden and Zoo, because that's two different

502
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:30,320
things. I think we're probably closer
to getting two one three plus Russ and

503
00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:34,920
Harden. When has it worked for
the Clippers with two starting guards when one

504
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,039
is a non shooter. I'm not
saying that it's worked before. I'm saying

505
00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:42,760
this is what we'll probably see from
Tyler. I agree it hasn't worked,

506
00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:45,360
like I'm not. You're not going
to get me to argue that that.

507
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:51,800
Even if let's say those four guys
started, two of them are going to

508
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,559
the bench pretty early in the first
quarter to get them ready to come back

509
00:36:54,559 --> 00:36:58,679
at the end of the first quarter, I'm gonna play his whole one like

510
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:05,039
in one of Russ or James Harden
is definitely included there. But I just

511
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:08,719
think there's a better chance of Russell
Westbrook coming off the bench if you have

512
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,880
the excuse of James Harden is in
our starting point guard. Now agree with

513
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:21,039
that, and that is more meaningful
than almost not than what James Harden brings.

514
00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:24,000
Is what he brings a special too. But that's another way he can

515
00:37:24,039 --> 00:37:29,079
make the team better. I think
Russ with the second unit could be really

516
00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:32,039
fun, could be exciting and could
be the best position for him to thrive

517
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:37,480
at this point in his career,
maybe always in his career, because I

518
00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:40,480
don't know if you can have him, even at his best as the number

519
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:47,119
one option on a championship team because
his up and down erratic style at times.

520
00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:51,199
But I do think it works.
You just have to know when to

521
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:52,760
hold him and when to fold him. With Russell Westbrook, you got to

522
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,440
know how to use him, and
I thought at times the Clippers were very

523
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,639
good with him obviously last season and
Coach Low not playing him in a few

524
00:38:00,639 --> 00:38:04,719
fourth quarters and stuff like that.
But yeah, I'd love to see a

525
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,280
starting lineup where maybe it is Kawai
and Paul George moved up a position.

526
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:14,719
We've talked about this before, but
the question comes down to is it more

527
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:20,079
physical for Kawai to have to play
against bigger bodies out there at the four

528
00:38:20,199 --> 00:38:22,559
position or is it more physical for
him to have to run around the perimeter

529
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:28,119
more if he's playing the two or
the three. And I'm sure there's data

530
00:38:28,119 --> 00:38:30,719
on this and they can figure that
out. I don't know they can figure

531
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:35,119
most players shift down a position,
like if you play the three, like

532
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,000
It's like the natural progression is you
shift down a position. Yeah, sure,

533
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:43,320
Jordan did it, Kobe did it
at the very end. A lot

534
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,119
of guys have done this, and
Kawhai is obviously strong enough to do it.

535
00:38:46,119 --> 00:38:50,599
It's just about wear and tear,
and putting the least amount of strain

536
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,239
on his body obviously will wear you
if. Because someone brought in a good

537
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:59,320
point on YouTube, Starman said,
if we get hardened, maybe Russ comes

538
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,639
off the bench. But do they
all close together? I actually think I

539
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,519
might weirdly believe in Taylu on this
one. He's gonna ride the hot hand.

540
00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:09,599
But do you think if we're starting
hardened Russ PG Kawai Zuo, it's

541
00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:14,440
a bit of more on the unserious
train than you'd like to be. Yeah.

542
00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:16,599
Yeah, And I don't really know
that that unit should be closing games

543
00:39:16,599 --> 00:39:22,559
either, Like that's not that good
defensively. It's like, you know,

544
00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:28,199
I'm not really I just don't really
see those for the expectations that the team

545
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,440
is supposed to be. I don't
really see those two working together for long

546
00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:34,800
stints. Like I think they can
work in periods in time and like maybe

547
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,920
they can play with like you know, with tempos with with that's how they

548
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,840
end up choosing like who's bringing the
ball up or whatever. I just don't

549
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,400
like the fit. Like we've tried
multiple iterations of the fast non shooting guard.

550
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,719
Uh. You know, like I
just know it just doesn't really work.

551
00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:54,960
And you know, like while Russ, I do like the effort defensively,

552
00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:58,960
like, let's just not a nine, Like that's just not that's just

553
00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:01,800
not a great kinds of unit to
close out games from, you know,

554
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:07,480
a team that already wasn't wasn't stellar
outside of the first you know, eleven

555
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:12,000
games or whatever in that department.
I do want to bring this up regarding

556
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:15,679
Russ and Harden on the court together
when they played together in Houston, there

557
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:22,800
was about a two months stretch um
the second half of that season where US

558
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:30,119
played. It was it was a
su it was UCLA, it was it

559
00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:37,920
was a fantastic This was the Russ
in the fourth quarter to guard James Harden.

560
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:44,000
But Russell Westbrook put up some of
his best numbers, some of his

561
00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:46,719
best play in about a two month
stretch with the Houston Rockets when they went

562
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:51,599
to that five out with him next
to James Harden. He was averaging about

563
00:40:51,639 --> 00:40:55,840
thirty three on fifty three percent shooting
for two months, then had the quad

564
00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:00,440
injury, took that with him into
the bubble. Wasn't the same, didn't

565
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,599
play the full series against the Okasey
Thunder. Eventually they lost the Lakers in

566
00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:07,199
the second round. But for everyone
saying they can't play together, I like

567
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,719
what Will said instance, it could
work at times. Yeah, you just

568
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:15,320
have to know when that time is
well. And the big thing about like

569
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,960
the difference between that and this is
like those were the anchors of that team,

570
00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:22,519
right, like either one of these
players, like you know, if

571
00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:24,559
Harden comes in, if Russ ends
up being the starting point guard, yes,

572
00:41:24,559 --> 00:41:30,000
they will be very important players.
But ideally, you know, given

573
00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:32,679
what we've traded, given what we've
been trying to build around for four years,

574
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,360
they wouldn't be the anchors. And
so I think trying to cater a

575
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:42,559
backcourt around those two where you have
like Kauai and Paul George into more like

576
00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:45,119
stretching the floor kind of positions,
Like I understand that it could work,

577
00:41:45,199 --> 00:41:50,840
and like there's there's definitely an argument
for it to be used or employed in

578
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,199
certain stints, but as an overall
plan, I don't really love that as

579
00:41:54,239 --> 00:42:00,239
a focal point or a focus.
The option should be getting Paul George and

580
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:06,920
Kwhi Leonard in the best spots for
them to be successful while minimizing the amount

581
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,039
of time they have to initiate stuff
on their own and keep that wear and

582
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:15,400
tear down blow so they can keep
up two way play. So Paul George

583
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,920
said on the Tyres Halibur An episode
of his podcast that he at this point

584
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,840
in his career, likes me were
a facilitator versus dominating with his scoring.

585
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:29,039
Do we think that adding Harden would
hopefully maybe get him to lean more on

586
00:42:29,079 --> 00:42:31,519
the scoring side of things, because
if we add James, we do not

587
00:42:31,639 --> 00:42:37,920
need Paul George to do jack shit
with distributing the ball in any kind of

588
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:45,519
I'm the starting point guard since and
George was more aggressive with his offense once

589
00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:50,639
Russell Westbrook came in last season,
to his credit, wanted to do lay

590
00:42:50,679 --> 00:42:54,039
off the ball more. It sure
seemed to work. The numbers and percentages

591
00:42:54,159 --> 00:42:58,440
show it, and obviously had his
best season you can say, third in

592
00:42:58,599 --> 00:43:01,840
MVP next to Russell Westbrook, So
there's something to that. And James Harden's

593
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:09,559
definitely the more focused passer at this
point, like he's more comfortable in that

594
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,599
role and it is just I mean, he can pick and roll with the

595
00:43:13,639 --> 00:43:16,400
best of them all time in the
NBA. I would love to see what

596
00:43:16,519 --> 00:43:23,840
he and uh him is a random
option off of PG and Kauai as like

597
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:29,480
a pretty fucking sick pick and roll. Did he ever play in his rookie

598
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,320
season with Kenyan Martin junior or was
he already gone the year before. I'm

599
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:38,760
wondering James Harden, that would be
an interesting pick and roll. But yeah,

600
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:46,159
James Harden is so elite as just
more of a prototypical um floor general

601
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:51,199
out there, like that's he's always
had it, but people saw always scoring

602
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,400
thirty five a game, like that's
not who he is. Well, if

603
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,519
you look, he's also getting eight
assists per game too. Now he's just

604
00:43:55,639 --> 00:44:00,559
doing much more of that as he
can't blow by guys as much as he

605
00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:02,559
used to with that dribble drive move. It was here a three pointer step

606
00:44:02,599 --> 00:44:07,719
back or just going right past guys
or throwing a lab to a capello or

607
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,280
something. Yeah, that's a good
call. Um. We're gonna see what

608
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,840
happens. Hopefully we get some news
at some point about this again. We

609
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,719
all want to tap before training camp, so let's just pray that it happens

610
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:22,079
at some point before then coming up
well in agreement that like for this season,

611
00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:25,079
Yes, this is just this is
the best move for the Clippers.

612
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,440
This is the best. Yeah,
this is probably the best like arrow in

613
00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:35,519
your quiver or whatever. Like I
don't see a realistic like trade target.

614
00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:42,599
I'm not really seeing another realistic option
out there that is both fitwise good,

615
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,920
still high, I mean still high
potential for failure. Don't get me wrong,

616
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:52,760
but like anything around this, this
duo has a high potential for failure.

617
00:44:53,320 --> 00:45:00,519
M sure that's fair. Also to
Adam's point, James Harden, I

618
00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:04,719
believe was there for eight games before
he got trickie year. Yeah, not

619
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,440
before he got moved to Brooklyn.
Yeah, but this is the year.

620
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:13,039
Will like that like this, but
it's before some super crazy cap stuff happens.

621
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,519
Let's make it happen. And I
can't emphasize enough for the people who

622
00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:22,039
are like, no, he'll ruin
things, ruin what like they haven't already

623
00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:27,880
sucks? It doesn't suck. But
do you think, as currently constructed that

624
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:32,679
this team has you know, a
great chance of winning the championships. Sure

625
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:37,599
you can say if they're healthy,
but does James Harden not help during a

626
00:45:37,639 --> 00:45:42,119
regular season when one of your stars
is out. We saw how Russ can

627
00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:45,440
help in that area with the game
he had against Memphis. James Harden could

628
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:51,079
do some of that stuff too.
Absolutely can, And again we just want

629
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:53,360
some real news about it. Coming
up coming up after this break, we're

630
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,400
gon be talking a couple of clips
that popped up of Tyley one All the

631
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,800
Smoke podcasts. If the ads of
a lab, you go ahead and turn

632
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,599
it down. We got All the
Smoke talk coming up after this in three

633
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:10,119
two one. Hey, welcome back
in the Clips and Dip your Friendly Neighborhood

634
00:46:10,119 --> 00:46:15,280
Clippers podcast. Look, we've talked
about James Harden. We took some questions.

635
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,079
We are live right now on YouTube
and on Twitter, so we will

636
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:22,199
still feel some questions. If you're
hanging out with us, go ahead and

637
00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:24,480
shoot those over it. But right
now we're gonna talk a little bit about

638
00:46:24,519 --> 00:46:30,360
an appearance by head coach Tyrone Low
on All the Smoke and Charles you have

639
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:36,719
some clips, so yeah, apparently
play the clip clip clip. We have

640
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,239
to play clips, guys, it's
in our name. He apparently the clip

641
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,039
click play click the space part,
I should just play the clip that's rolled

642
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:50,800
up. Tyler has apparently told Kawhi
and PG this summer that it's time to

643
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:57,119
take the regular season more seriously.
Um, which, hey, great,

644
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,400
But the issue I'm not rolling the
clip for those of you watching on YouTube,

645
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,800
The issue with that is how can
they do that if they're hurt.

646
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,400
And this is not a knock on
them, This is just kind of like,

647
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,880
if you're hurt and you really can't
push it all the way and you

648
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,760
gotta get healthy during the regular season, that's what you have to do,

649
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:22,039
which leans into like you guys just
talked about having a guy like James Hard

650
00:47:22,519 --> 00:47:25,559
who can be that top tier talent
when someone goes down and things like that,

651
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:30,800
Like I mean, I'm and we
we're starting this season with like an

652
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,360
actual backup center that will also help
us take the regular season more seriously.

653
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,360
But like we just it's really just
ultimately how much these two guys can play

654
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:45,800
together. Like It's not like I
don't think they take it incredibly un serious

655
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,760
now, but like I just don't
know how much more we can get if

656
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,360
I mean, if they start the
season healthy let's go, but we'll see

657
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:57,519
if that happens. Yeah, I
mean, like I think it's I think

658
00:47:57,559 --> 00:48:00,880
it's really tough because, like Alls
pointed out, I mean, if you're

659
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:05,840
coming back from an injury during the
season, I mean, you're just not

660
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,280
going to be at one hundred percent. I think it gets difficult to trust

661
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:13,760
your body. Um, you know. I do think that we see and

662
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,440
have seen historically with this team,
like some less than inspiring performances even when

663
00:48:17,519 --> 00:48:22,199
healthy. And maybe you know,
maybe some of that does still come down

664
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:27,679
to not being like one hundred hundred
percent but still able to play. But

665
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,480
I mean there's no way around it, right, Like I can play it

666
00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:34,800
here if you want. I had
it. It doesn't sound very good,

667
00:48:35,159 --> 00:48:37,960
correct PG this summer, like we
do got to post a regular season a

668
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:42,440
different way, Like we gotta be
you know, post regular season, like

669
00:48:42,519 --> 00:48:45,400
let's be serious about it. Let's
not wait to the playoffs or yeah,

670
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,079
because it matters though who you get
matched up with. I have a whole

671
00:48:47,079 --> 00:48:51,400
point advantage not fight the last ten
games of the season, so we won't

672
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,000
be in the play in So now
you can get arrest, you know,

673
00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:57,159
now you can Now you can get
yourself together and be ready for the playoffs.

674
00:48:57,199 --> 00:49:01,000
So they both understood that as well. Great clip. I just want

675
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,599
to make sure nothing was taken out
of context. Guys, that was important

676
00:49:04,599 --> 00:49:07,360
to make anything out of context.
I don't know, I don't know.

677
00:49:09,639 --> 00:49:15,079
They also mentioned half the man I
can't I can't even look at that damn

678
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:19,000
hat. At one point they mentioned
that it's like, oh, it was

679
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,159
the medical staff. So it's like, sure, like, I guess we

680
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:23,960
can blame that. Oh my god. Someone in the comments saying four guard

681
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:29,679
lineup with Morris at the center.
Never again. Um, he wants the

682
00:49:29,679 --> 00:49:31,880
Clippers to be at full strength,
which I think makes sense. I think

683
00:49:32,199 --> 00:49:36,360
I think that's all he's ever wanted. Literally, I think that's very true.

684
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:37,159
Adam, go ahead, you're going
to say something in that hat.

685
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:44,159
No, as you're getting to.
Ultimately, it's can you take the regular

686
00:49:44,199 --> 00:49:46,719
season serious? When you know you're
two superstars? It's pretty much built in

687
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:52,039
they might miss thirty of the regular
season, And to that I would say

688
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:57,599
yes, because up until last year, I felt like they did even the

689
00:49:57,639 --> 00:50:01,559
season before without Kauai year long,
and Paul George missed a ton of games

690
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:07,559
too, I still felt like they
were trying to win. They were going

691
00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:12,280
out there. We didn't see a
game like against the Cavaliers in Cleveland this

692
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:19,199
year where they played pretty much nobody. And there's been four years of the

693
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,119
two and three era, and last
season was the first time I felt like,

694
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:27,119
Okay, we're not being serious enough
with the regular season. They're they're

695
00:50:27,159 --> 00:50:30,920
disrespecting it too much. And Lawrence
Frank said as much afterwards, and now

696
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:35,679
coach lewis echoing that too. So
I think you can't have that mindset regardless

697
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:39,079
of who is available and who is
out there, you can still play to

698
00:50:39,199 --> 00:50:45,800
win within reason. I think every
team at this point in the NBA tries

699
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:52,639
to cut corners and balance things enough
where they're not putting the playoffs in jeopardy

700
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:59,519
while also not putting their players in
jeopardy from being too tired or too gas

701
00:50:59,639 --> 00:51:02,840
by the time they get there.
Everybody's trying to strike that balance, and

702
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:07,480
they paid for because Joe l Embiid
wore down so much trying to go for

703
00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:12,400
the MVP. I'd say I think
every team. It's not just unique to

704
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,199
the Clippers. What is, though, is just the lack of availability from

705
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:21,199
their two guys so much more than
pretty much everybody else when you're talking about

706
00:51:21,199 --> 00:51:23,639
two of them being this injury probe. So I mean, like, you

707
00:51:23,679 --> 00:51:28,320
know, whatever, health is what
it is. I don't know how to

708
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,599
say, like, stay healthier,
play more games. I mean I can

709
00:51:30,639 --> 00:51:34,079
say it, but like, I
don't have an answer for you. I

710
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,760
don't have a good answer. I
think, like the most discouraging or disheartening

711
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:44,360
thing about last season was it felt
like the supporting cast kind of at a

712
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,480
certain point hung their heads and we're
like, well, I guess we're just

713
00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:52,519
doing this again, and like I
understand that too, but it definitely was.

714
00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:58,000
It felt different, It looked different
on court, the body language was

715
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:02,760
certainly different from players. So I
get addressing this to Kauai and Paul George

716
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:07,519
because they are ultimately your leaders,
and even if they're not the type of

717
00:52:07,559 --> 00:52:09,719
vocal leaders or whatever, uh,
you know that they can still set that

718
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:14,400
example. And I hope to see
them set that example even in games that

719
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,760
they're not playing, because I think, like, look, I don't like

720
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,599
to over analyze this stuff because at
the end of the day, I don't

721
00:52:20,599 --> 00:52:22,960
know how much it matters. But
like we saw some games last season,

722
00:52:23,679 --> 00:52:28,400
KWin, Paul George, on the
bench look pretty disengage, and I you

723
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,719
know, I'm not asking them to
like bring up the clipboard or anything like

724
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,559
that, but like, if you
can't, I don't want Paul George to

725
00:52:34,639 --> 00:52:37,840
be called play if you can't be
on the floor. I do think there's

726
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:42,400
something to be said at doing your
best to like at least elevate the vibe

727
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:47,239
of the people there on the floor
you want them doing Like yeah, I

728
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:52,400
mean he was a T shirt kid
and Paul George at whose shirts the someone

729
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,960
had to join ROCO make them feel
not as embarrassed for being only allowed to

730
00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:00,079
throw T shirts. I also think
when it comes to the regular season and

731
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:02,199
then every team, you know,
having one eye on the playoffs, a

732
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,760
one eye on the president and the
regular season at the same time, it

733
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,719
makes things tricky. But we did
just last season see a team that was

734
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:14,000
the aced go to the finals in
the East and a seventh seed in the

735
00:53:14,039 --> 00:53:16,360
West go to the Western Conference finals. I don't think with the state of

736
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:21,159
the NBA, that were that far
away from a team that is below a

737
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:25,159
top three seed winning the championship for
the first time since the ninety five Rockets.

738
00:53:25,199 --> 00:53:28,039
Like, I don't think that's out
of the question. I don't think

739
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:30,480
you have to necessarily be a top
three seed. I think it's going to

740
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:34,239
happen soon. I think soon maybe, but definitely not next year. And

741
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,920
that's the Clippers window. So for
me, it's like, let's make that

742
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:42,679
happen. Anything else you want to
bring up, anything else, just Clippers

743
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,079
wise. We gotta get off our
chefs. Anything Adam knew had go fund

744
00:53:45,079 --> 00:53:50,400
me for that or anything like that. Ghosts has a question for Charles.

745
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,280
I feel like, are the open
positions for the Clippers every season? They

746
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:59,599
have performance analysis sports scign associate and
strength and conditioning associate jobs available. Wonderful

747
00:53:59,679 --> 00:54:02,159
question and Ghosts the answer to it. This question is yes. If you

748
00:54:02,199 --> 00:54:06,840
go to the Clippers LinkedIn, they
got a whole mess of positions available.

749
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,480
They're always looking for people. Be
that for better or for worse. I

750
00:54:10,519 --> 00:54:15,039
will say, compared to other professional
sports teams, I seem to have fewer

751
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:17,800
job openings posted on LinkedIn. I
don't know if that's actually indicative of how

752
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:23,079
many are actually open, but they're
always looking for people, and I'll be

753
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:25,599
looking for a new pre app and
post guy. You never know, hey,

754
00:54:25,639 --> 00:54:29,800
they might I think they're they're will
shake you on radio right now.

755
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:31,400
I'm just going to do this to
do more than three a week if they

756
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:36,239
put his job up there. But
yeah, they're they're hiring for every single

757
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,079
position. They've had marketing stuff on
there for a while. I won't say

758
00:54:39,079 --> 00:54:44,920
what I really want to say because
I'll wait to see what the slogan for

759
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:49,440
the Clippers is this year and if
it can beat give no quarter in the

760
00:54:49,519 --> 00:54:53,639
passion that that brought out of the
fans when that was revealed. What do

761
00:54:53,679 --> 00:54:55,679
you guys want? What do you
guys want the slogan to be this year?

762
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:06,239
Give us a break. We're doing
our damn beath. I don't know.

763
00:55:06,639 --> 00:55:08,000
You know what I wanted to be. I wanted to be the GTA

764
00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:13,639
button combination on PS two for infinite
health. That's what I want the Clippers

765
00:55:13,679 --> 00:55:21,079
slogan to be. I like it. Adam all in, dude, I

766
00:55:21,159 --> 00:55:28,079
will they have the T shirts made
up. They're good to go, dude.

767
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,440
They can release that ship tomorrow.
All right, Well, that about

768
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:35,719
wraps it up. We thank everyone. Someone said break a leg on the

769
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,559
YouTube channel, all right, the
YouTube channel. I wanted to be shiver

770
00:55:37,679 --> 00:55:45,559
me timbers it means nothing, but
it's so fun to yell that's actually true.

771
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:47,079
I want that. So you want
the rebrand to happen before the new

772
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:52,639
stadium. They're going full pirates.
Yeah, they're going. Actually I'm with

773
00:55:52,679 --> 00:55:55,079
that, dude, a pirate rebrand
if you really want to make a mark

774
00:55:55,360 --> 00:56:00,760
as a team owner, rebrand your
team to full on pirate thing like the

775
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:07,480
Buccaneers, but the West Coast version
or the Pirates and base the mute.

776
00:56:07,519 --> 00:56:10,559
That's different. They're not actually pirate
themed though they don't have like a pirate

777
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:16,880
they would be dope. The mutineers. Yeah, so we're mutining. Yeah.

778
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:21,840
So people are saying fun that they're
leaving. Yeah, no, we're

779
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:25,960
just overthrowing. We're just overthrowing the
government. The defectors. Yeah, the

780
00:56:27,039 --> 00:56:31,440
defectors. All right, chivermy timbers. I'm gonna vote for that. If

781
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,440
they put that on a list.
Can you imagine yelling that that'd be fun

782
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,800
as well. We just released his
player or did he walk the plane?

783
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,320
Did he walk the play of course? Yeah? Yeah, they make player

784
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:46,559
releases fun. It's like a really
dystopian team to play for. We're getting

785
00:56:46,599 --> 00:56:50,679
off the rails. We are going
to be back next week, hopefully with

786
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,519
the guest. Hopefully something more will
happen with the Clippers and James Harden.

787
00:56:53,559 --> 00:56:59,320
Who knows will If these wonderful people
were going to review us or perhaps subscribe,

788
00:56:59,639 --> 00:57:04,400
where could they possibly do that?
Great question? Great great question,

789
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,960
new logo. We gotta get more
efficient with the syllables on this. Yeah

790
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,679
you can. You can review us
over on Apple Podcasts, also on Spotify.

791
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,519
We'd love to see some more reviews
over there on Spotify. Haven't seen

792
00:57:19,679 --> 00:57:22,599
enough lately, but whatever, will
absolutely read your review on the air.

793
00:57:22,639 --> 00:57:25,519
You can listen to us on either
one of those wonderful platforms. We're also

794
00:57:25,559 --> 00:57:30,239
on Google Podcasts. We're on Amazon
Music, We're on Stitcher, We're on

795
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,440
deezer. Anywhere you listen to podcasts, you can listen to us there.

796
00:57:34,119 --> 00:57:37,719
We're also over at YouTube that's at
clippers Podcast. Go ahead, check this

797
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:39,840
out. You can see some fun
names that we do and the things sometimes

798
00:57:40,159 --> 00:57:43,639
you know, sometimes we do a
good job with it, sometimes I'm lazy.

799
00:57:44,519 --> 00:57:47,159
And also follow us over on clippers
Pod. Yeah. Thanks, and

800
00:57:47,199 --> 00:57:51,639
thanks for hanging out everybody on the
stream. We appreciate Adam anything you want

801
00:57:51,679 --> 00:57:53,599
to send these wonderful folks off in
the middle of their Week two. Yeah,

802
00:57:53,599 --> 00:57:58,039
we got one more question. I'm
going to give away this hack anyone

803
00:57:58,079 --> 00:58:01,880
who wants it. It's would you
want this hat? It's you never warned?

804
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:07,519
Brand New Jay says Marcus Morris.
Is okay, never mind, Yeah

805
00:58:07,519 --> 00:58:09,719
we can get out. We're all
right. We're out here. We back

806
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,880
next week. It is always let's
go. Clips