WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:04.240 Hello, viewers, this is the nonprofits, but we are not making a 2 00:00:04.280 --> 00:00:08.599 profit, not like your Christian church anyway. Do you know where your tithe 3 00:00:08.720 --> 00:00:12.400 is going? How do you even track all the money that you are pouring 4 00:00:12.400 --> 00:00:16.519 into your congregation or do you at all? You may want to start after 5 00:00:16.559 --> 00:00:19.839 hearing this segment, because Kelly Laughlin is with us and he is going to 6 00:00:19.879 --> 00:00:25.440 fill us in on how Christian leaders may very well embezzel over eighty billion in 7 00:00:25.519 --> 00:00:29.839 twenty twenty four. Kelly, how do we arrive at such an astronomical number? 8 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:33.600 Well, Jimmy, that figure comes from the Center for the Study of 9 00:00:33.679 --> 00:00:40.439 Global Christianity, part of the Gordon Conwell Theological Seminary. It's a religious organization, 10 00:00:40.679 --> 00:00:44.759 so this isn't an anti religion group, but they say that the churches 11 00:00:44.799 --> 00:00:50.920 will embezzle some three hundred and ninety billion dollars annually by twenty fifty. Now. 12 00:00:51.039 --> 00:00:54.920 The Trinity Foundation, which is another religious group that's a watchdog group of 13 00:00:54.960 --> 00:01:00.000 other religious organizations, attributes those financial losses to skimming from our offering plates, 14 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:07.799 diverting mission donations to personal expense accounts, and even international cash mouddeling, which 15 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:11.680 they actually have cases of. While it isn't always easy to track how these 16 00:01:11.719 --> 00:01:17.680 statistics on crime that isn't caught. These Christian researchers say they have come up 17 00:01:17.719 --> 00:01:21.439 with a good formula to figure it out. And what they've done is they've 18 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:26.840 taken the amount of money that was generated by the economy and figured out the 19 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:32.439 percentage of fraud from that, and then use that percentage to the amount of 20 00:01:32.439 --> 00:01:36.000 money brought in by churches. So it seems like a pretty good formula, 21 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:41.159 and they are warning people within their faith to be wary of their church leaders. 22 00:01:41.719 --> 00:01:45.920 Excellent point. And I like that you mentioned that the Christians doing this 23 00:01:46.040 --> 00:01:51.280 research and watchdogging, or excuse me, the people doing this research and watchdogging 24 00:01:51.319 --> 00:01:55.400 are in fact Christian. Yes, because you might think, well, the 25 00:01:55.519 --> 00:02:00.159 bias would typically swing in the other direction, right, But I think that 26 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:05.000 this is a perfect example of Christians needing to be concerned about where their money 27 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:07.560 is going. This is not our job. Heck, I wouldn't mind if 28 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:10.120 they stole from each other. To be honest with you, I'd like to 29 00:02:10.120 --> 00:02:15.840 see the whole system come crashing down. But as a person with their button 30 00:02:15.879 --> 00:02:20.199 the pews every week, you might want to be concerned asking the questions about, 31 00:02:20.319 --> 00:02:23.840 hey, where is that actually going? Blaydon, I want to ask 32 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:28.520 you, do you think that there's a double standard between religious organizations the way 33 00:02:28.560 --> 00:02:32.000 that the account thing is done, and humanist organizations, let's say, or 34 00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:38.400 non religious organizations. How do you reconcile the differences between how they account for 35 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:43.479 their funds. I think the fact that churches don't have to file any financial 36 00:02:43.479 --> 00:02:47.840 disclosures with IRS is already insane. Like that alone makes it almost impossible to 37 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:53.039 even quantify how much they actually take from people. And then the research in 38 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:57.800 this article shows that Christians all over the world will give about one point three 39 00:02:58.280 --> 00:03:04.520 trillion trillion dollars to Christian causes just in twenty twenty four. So imagine if 40 00:03:04.520 --> 00:03:07.719 we had that kind of money taken towards a humanist effort, like we could 41 00:03:07.759 --> 00:03:10.439 change the fucking world with that, you know what I mean, Like we 42 00:03:10.479 --> 00:03:15.319 would do so much with that. And I mean this, we're human. 43 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:19.400 So even if it is a humanist effort going towards this, there's going to 44 00:03:19.439 --> 00:03:22.919 be some fraud. People are people's let's be honest. But I mean you 45 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:27.599 have to think about that number is eighty six billion with a B That is 46 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:31.520 lost. So I feel like, can we just regulate these people? Can 47 00:03:31.520 --> 00:03:37.759 we get some kind of governmental infrastructure to come in and just say, hey, 48 00:03:37.800 --> 00:03:42.039 guys, where'd that money go? Like it's that so hard? Yeah, 49 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:45.120 And that's a good point. I mean, can we bring in some 50 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:47.719 oversight? Right? But how much is too much? What would be fair? 51 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:51.840 And Cynthia, I want to turn to you and ask you, you 52 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:57.759 know, how much transparency should actually be required to the fullest. It's church, 53 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:02.080 I mean, like, these are the people's that's the leaders of these 54 00:04:02.120 --> 00:04:08.159 people's immortal soul. You go to church every week in order for you to 55 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:13.400 sit your butt in a pew and listen to somebody tell you about what Jesus 56 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:15.680 did and why you should do it too, and if you don't, you're 57 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:21.959 going to hell or purgatory if you're Catholic. So it's absolutely pertinent in my 58 00:04:23.079 --> 00:04:30.439 opinion that there should be more transparency in how people are being told about how 59 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:32.519 their money is being spent. I mean, like, I think that one 60 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:38.279 of the things that the article actually even points out that it's not just mega 61 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:45.160 churches that's doing this. We're still having issues even with smaller dioceses, smaller 62 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:49.519 churches that are still going to be caught in the fray of embezzling. And 63 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:57.000 man, when you even talked about blatant that one point three trillion dollar of 64 00:04:57.639 --> 00:05:01.920 money figure that's going to like you know, Christian organizations and and also you 65 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:05.120 know other causes. I'm my dang, that's a down payment on reparations. 66 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:17.279 But I digress. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally totally, yeah, 67 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:20.560 yeah, totally totally. We will get that going. But yeah, but 68 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:26.000 like but seriously, it's it's just so sobering when you actually just think about 69 00:05:26.120 --> 00:05:30.040 like how the how churches and of themselves can be able to you know, 70 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:33.959 take the money, put it in their coffers and do whatever they want to 71 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:39.040 do with that with it without even telling the I R S. That's insane. 72 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:44.000 I mean, like we even covered like how the Morgan Church has a 73 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:49.800 multi billion dollar war chest that is within their ranks, even though they have 74 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:57.040 been accused of all types of heinous acts by their by their eldership, their 75 00:05:57.120 --> 00:06:00.519 leadership and and the like. Especially when I even think about like how they 76 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:06.040 are still telling and going into poor country and telling people that they need to 77 00:06:06.120 --> 00:06:11.120 give and they need to tie even when they don't have it, and because 78 00:06:11.199 --> 00:06:14.360 people feel that, oh, this is my immortal soul. You know, 79 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:19.040 Jesus will reward me and my afterlife blah blah blah, you know, twelve 80 00:06:19.079 --> 00:06:24.480 gates to the city type stuff. Then I'm going to yeah, exactly, 81 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:27.600 pie in the sky until you die. You're right, yep. And and 82 00:06:27.639 --> 00:06:33.160 it's it's so egretous. It's such a loud high before you die is a 83 00:06:33.199 --> 00:06:39.680 big fat lie, Okay, And I gosh, and I just I really 84 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:46.920 just wish that this whole like protection that the United States government gives to faith 85 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:50.480 based organizations, which is completely go away because if you are a five oh 86 00:06:50.560 --> 00:06:56.879 one C three that is secular in orient and an orientation, you're not going 87 00:06:57.000 --> 00:07:01.439 to get that protection. It's just faith based organizations because Jesus said absolutely, 88 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:04.920 and we see that. Uh. You know, even in our own organization, 89 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:10.240 we are five to one seed three nonprofit and we stick to the rules 90 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:15.079 pretty thoroughly. While we also know that there are there's plenty of political preaching 91 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:21.120 and ideology emanating from many pulpits across this country trying to sway voters, if 92 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:26.160 you will, either left or right, probably not left too often, but 93 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:30.439 in any case, you know, why is it that the churches. Why 94 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:33.800 is it that Christian or religious organizations in general are just kind of hands off. 95 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:40.279 I think that for somebody that wants to control societies to such such extremes, 96 00:07:40.439 --> 00:07:45.079 that they should have the equal extremes placed on them when it comes to 97 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:48.560 watchdogging. You know, there's some other things that I wanted to add on. 98 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:54.680 Y Citia you you brought up a great points about how money is being 99 00:07:54.759 --> 00:07:58.720 used. Let's not forget you know, the Catholic Church has a fund that 100 00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:03.360 is set aside to defend perpetrators of sexual assault or those that are accused or 101 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:09.600 alleged. Why should any organization have a pot of money that is set aside 102 00:08:09.639 --> 00:08:13.920 to defend child molesters. It is an awful thing to think about, and 103 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:18.480 it really doesn't compute and if it had the kind of oversight that we are 104 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:22.839 we're looking for, if these organizations did, they might not even need something 105 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:24.360 like that, and they can actually do some good. You know, we 106 00:08:24.439 --> 00:08:30.360 saw, excuse me, after Notre Dame burned down, how much money was 107 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:33.000 raised within a matter of twenty four hours. We couldn't get that to help 108 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:37.200 the poor. But this is an organization that tells you, well, Jesus 109 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:39.600 said, give all your things away. We got to help the poor. 110 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:43.240 No, they just want Jesus or excuse me, they just want you to 111 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:46.600 give your things to Jesus. But they'll collect it for them, and don't 112 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:48.720 worry about where the money goes. You know, we'll take good care of 113 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:54.919 it. I think that there is a pretty pervasive nature to steal words from 114 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:58.120 Cynthia. You know, I know that you came into the show mentioning that 115 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:01.159 you think that the whuch as a pervasive nature. I think that the fact 116 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:05.080 they pay no taxes, They've got huge acres of land that are just being 117 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:09.480 used as grass beds. Essentially, there's not helping the economy. They're not 118 00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:13.159 doing any good for anybody. You know, I wanted to kick it over 119 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:16.440 to Kelly and Blatant. You know, what are some of the ways that 120 00:09:16.519 --> 00:09:22.559 you think the nature of religious institutions can be pervasive? Blatant, you want 121 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:26.039 to go first? Sure. I think one of the most glaring and obvious 122 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:33.799 ways that is pervasive is again looking at our politics. How many elected officials 123 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:37.639 come in just literally their first thing is to say, well, I'm a 124 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:43.519 good Christian man and I follow the Bible and that literally brings in people because 125 00:09:43.639 --> 00:09:46.799 people are so damn indoctrinated. That's literally all you have to say is I'm 126 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:50.799 a Christian. So I mean, like, how many has there ever been 127 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:54.399 a non Christian president? No? No, no, So I mean that 128 00:09:54.679 --> 00:10:01.000 is the pervasive nature of this entire system, that it gets into everything because 129 00:10:01.039 --> 00:10:05.600 it already is in everything, and the people that are running the system are 130 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:07.840 part of this exact same thing. So of course it's going to be. 131 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:13.480 It's not even pervasive, is just what is because you're not getting into it. 132 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:16.279 It already is there. Yeah, And I think one of the big 133 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:20.480 problems there is that the people who are in this system all think that everybody 134 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:22.919 else in the system is just on the up and up just like they are. 135 00:10:24.159 --> 00:10:26.960 Right, because there are good people within that system, you know, 136 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:30.679 I'm not going to deny that, but those good people aren't stopping the bad 137 00:10:30.759 --> 00:10:35.240 people because they're under the assumption that those bad people are good people too. 138 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:39.080 Otherwise, why would they be working at the church. Of Course they're good 139 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:41.679 people. They're with the church, of course they're good people. And that's 140 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:46.399 a huge problem. That's a huge problem. Yeah, there is this idea 141 00:10:46.759 --> 00:10:52.759 that you can say the simple buzzwords and you have checked boxes and you're one 142 00:10:52.759 --> 00:10:58.879 of the good guys. And I don't know how that overpowers or overshadows the 143 00:10:58.039 --> 00:11:03.639 many atrocity that come out of these same organizations. And I just, you 144 00:11:03.679 --> 00:11:05.279 know, I guess I want to kind of pick your brains a little bit. 145 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:09.120 You know, what do you think it is about the American psyche about 146 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:15.120 and that is consistent I think across all races in the country. I mean, 147 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:18.480 we've in our recording tonight talked about a few racial issues, and it's 148 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:22.320 easy to point to the divides. But what I see as a trend, 149 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:26.879 and ironically so because of the divides that exist within Christianity, is that, 150 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:31.759 you know, regardless of what your ethnic background is, as long as someone 151 00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:35.879 says a right Jesus, Czech Church, Czech Bible check, they're one of 152 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:39.200 the good guys, and maybe we should support that person. I don't know 153 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:43.559 how do our panelists tonight feel like we get to that point? Cynthia, 154 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:46.639 any thoughts on that? You know, I believe it just goes back to 155 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:54.720 how we as a society is overwhelmingly Christian, and especially in the black community, 156 00:11:54.799 --> 00:12:00.279 is super uber Christian, and along with that comes with indoctrination. Even 157 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:05.759 if they're not necessarily like Christian, you still have an overwhelming point overwhelming popular 158 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:13.600 populus. Rather that is still theist. And when you and I'm sorry theists, 159 00:12:13.639 --> 00:12:18.399 I'm just gonna tell you my opinion, but when you actually put a 160 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:24.919 living sky Daddy in your life and instead of instead of like looking past that 161 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:28.279 and looking within yourself and just looking at human beings that's who they are, 162 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:33.600 you devoid yourself from critical thinking and skepticism. You know, as you just 163 00:12:33.639 --> 00:12:37.840 said, Jimmy, okay, I got the church check. You got my 164 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:41.679 pastor check in. My pastor said check. You know, and if pastor 165 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:43.720 said, dad, I mean it's right. You know what I'm saying, 166 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:48.240 And I mean like, and that's something that we see a lot in in 167 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:52.919 place in people who happen to be especially i would say, like in more 168 00:12:54.000 --> 00:13:01.200 charismatic evangelical settings, they are super under that thumb of pastor said is right 169 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:03.159 because Jesus said it's right, and man of God hears from Jesus, and 170 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:09.200 therefore there go I you know, And I'm glad that at least that we 171 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:13.080 have a trend of people actually kind of falling away from the church, and 172 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:18.559 we do have a rise of the nons right, the irreligious, and even 173 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:24.399 having like more people who happen to be more agnostic and atheistic in their point 174 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:30.120 of views, because at least if they start to look at the religion in 175 00:13:30.200 --> 00:13:33.799 of itself and how it can be more so of a fetter of a bond, 176 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:37.759 especially on the mind, than they can kind of cast those things away 177 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:43.159 and start to think for themselves and not necessarily be pulled in per se to 178 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:46.679 being able to go along with the norm and do things like throw away on 179 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:54.200 your day on money, gentlemen, any comments on that go ahead. I 180 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:58.360 was afraid you were going to say that one of the things that I did, 181 00:13:58.840 --> 00:14:00.879 Well, that's okay, I mean, I've got a question. No, 182 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:03.360 no, okay, okay. I was gonna see one of the things 183 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:05.480 that we didn't bring up. Well, we did kind of bring it up, 184 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:07.480 but I wanted I got it in my notes, so I wanted to 185 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:13.000 mention it that the Trinity Foundation did give a list of solutions for the problem, 186 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:18.399 and they included things like just normal things like routine audits, transparency, 187 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:24.480 more oversight of the people who are in control of the church funds, maybe 188 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:30.320 getting insurance to cover fraud, and the big one actually taking actions when there 189 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:35.000 are suspicions of illegal activity instead of thinking, oh, this person's on the 190 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:37.960 up and up, so this just must be a mistake in the books, 191 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:41.120 probably just a mistaken arithmetic. Maybe actually look into it, and I mean, 192 00:14:41.159 --> 00:14:46.480 that's that's I think is really really important. These are things that any 193 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:50.240 any other nonprofit has to do. For the most part, we have we 194 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:52.960 have to do that at the ACA. We have to have transparency, we 195 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:56.799 have to have oversite, we have to have routine audits. This is the 196 00:14:56.840 --> 00:15:01.480 toughest stuff that nonprofits do, and I don't understand why the church is able 197 00:15:01.519 --> 00:15:05.519 to get away without doing these things. Yeah, you know, Blaytant, 198 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:11.559 I wanted to reflect on something you mentioned and that was, excuse me, 199 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:16.519 the usual suspects that this is not a case of the usual suspects, is 200 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:20.159 it. When I think of eighty six billion dollars going missing, I think 201 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:24.679 of a pope in a bulletproof car or on a golden throne, you know, 202 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:28.360 I think of a bunch of men in really expensive garb that probably came 203 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:31.480 from all over the world, you know, kind of just sniveling with each 204 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:35.159 other. Haha, we did it again. But that's not the case, 205 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:37.320 is it. What do you think now, No, it's not our usual 206 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:41.639 suspects. It's not those Rick Flair preachers, you know, the stylin profile 207 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:46.679 and limousine riding, jet flying. It's not those guys. That's who you 208 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:50.480 think it would be. But no, it's the people that actually handle the 209 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:54.480 finances in these small churches and make a churches, whatever size the church. 210 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:56.639 It's the people that have their hands and all of this stuff. People that 211 00:15:56.840 --> 00:16:00.960 understand the system, the trustees, the first lady, people that just do 212 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:04.879 the day to day operations. These are the people that know all the intricacies 213 00:16:06.159 --> 00:16:10.200 of the church. And again without any actual oversight, it's never going to 214 00:16:10.279 --> 00:16:14.440 stop. So like we keep saying, tie that your own risk, and 215 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:18.440 it's symbolic anyway. It works just like prayer. It makes you feel like 216 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:22.919 you've done something without actually doing anything. So yeah, and you know, 217 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:25.399 on that note, as we wrap it up, I just want to go 218 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:27.879 across the paddle with all this money that's being taken place, and this can 219 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:30.840 be a fun one or excuse me, being taken this could be a fun 220 00:16:30.879 --> 00:16:34.960 one if you'd like. I want to start with blatant and then work towards 221 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:41.399 Kelly, I what is the number one thing that the church owes its congregation 222 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:45.240 after stealing all this money from them? What do you think as much as 223 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:49.159 minorities, black people in particular have given to the church. I feel like, 224 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:53.799 just like Cynthia said, they can start our reparations by themselves. Great 225 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:57.360 point, Cynthia, what are your thoughts on that? Reparations and a trip 226 00:16:57.360 --> 00:17:03.600 to six Flags? Like every church? Well yeah, I mean like in 227 00:17:03.639 --> 00:17:10.680 your respective area. You know, some amusement park. All churches you need 228 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:12.960 to take them in and the children too. You need to do it. 229 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:18.440 And we want lunch, dinner, travel, and we also want to stay 230 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:25.119 in sweets you can afford. If they're taking children, I want chaperones. 231 00:17:25.720 --> 00:17:29.799 Yeah, yes, yes, of course, of course. No, don't 232 00:17:29.799 --> 00:17:33.839 say the children go along. I'm not leaving my kids with the screw that. 233 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:37.720 No, I'm going with them. Kelly, what do you think what 234 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:41.519 does the church owe us? I mean I have donated to church before when 235 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:45.359 I was under their under their influence. What do you think you think they 236 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:48.839 owe us the money they took our money, Give me the money back, 237 00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:55.359 or at least give us the receipts for where you are going to spend the 238 00:17:55.480 --> 00:17:59.799 money in the future. Right, start making that money back, make it 239 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:03.559 do what you have to do to make that money back, and actually spend 240 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:06.839 it on the things that you were supposed to spend it on them. I 241 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:08.680 think that is the best way to pay it. Pay it back, you 242 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:15.960 know. I think you know what the church, The Church ows us evidence 243 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:19.680 that what we were given to is a real thing. I want to I 244 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:22.799 want Jesus to be standing up there like, hey, I appreciate y'all good 245 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:30.160 stuff. That's what they owe us, because I think throughout my entire from 246 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:34.039 age seven to like fifteen, they were working on the chapel or something, 247 00:18:34.039 --> 00:18:37.599 and I'm like, what are they going to fix this thing? You know, 248 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:41.079 I watch everybody put their hands in the jar and drop off money every 249 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:45.039 week for years, and this thing was still beating up. So I don't 250 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:49.279 know, I don't know what that money was being skimmed. Maybe that's why 251 00:18:49.319 --> 00:18:53.000 it took so long. You never know exactly. Listen, let me just 252 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:56.279 say really quick, we ain't gonna talk about and blaytant. You can co 253 00:18:56.440 --> 00:19:00.039 sign on this. How long Black Church has been send money for the building 254 00:19:00.119 --> 00:19:07.680 fund. May. We got to get that ball afixed. Yeah, come 255 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:11.480 on Wednesday, we gotta get that ball afixed. Great, it is still 256 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:15.400 cold, sir, on a coat in service. When the ball are going 257 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:21.799 to be fixed? Sir? Twenty years later, twenty years later. A 258 00:19:21.839 --> 00:19:26.200 great discussion tonight, very lively at the end. I love ending the show 259 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:29.519 that way, viewers. We've talked about a lot of things tonight. We've 260 00:19:29.559 --> 00:19:33.319 talked about some of the different segments that we recorded tonight that aren't part of 261 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:33.599 this one.