1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:09,240 Cool, ladies and gentlemen, and I'm Merry Christmas. Welcome back to our 2 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:14,960 second annual Christmas retrospective. I'm the Scared parent dress now and I'm joined by 3 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:21,480 I'm the ex kirklum Patzer on the Christmas Caroler, Dilmas and the misdirect dator 4 00:00:21,519 --> 00:00:24,559 Field. Yes, ladies and gentle this is something we started. I think 5 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,719 last year we would do the Halloween Christmas We've done here and there, but 6 00:00:27,839 --> 00:00:31,920 last year we did the night before and this year we have done better. 7 00:00:32,039 --> 00:00:40,280 Watch out a twenty twenty sixteen sixteen. It's twenty seventeen. First of all, 8 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:45,240 that is a made up number sixteen. That's twenty twenty. But you 9 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,240 said twenty twenty seve Oh yeah, no, that was completely wrong. Yeah, 10 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,000 I will say this. This is our massive core day. So this 11 00:00:51,079 --> 00:00:55,880 is cast three and you know this is our almost four podcasting. So you 12 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,200 know it's been a longer day with some very iffy content that we've been talking 13 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,399 about. Yeah, so maybe maybe this will be the breaker. Who knows? 14 00:01:03,479 --> 00:01:07,680 So Taylor, where can they find us on the interwebs and everything? 15 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,840 Please jump me fasty air connection and search park keip versus doas or base keypers 16 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,640 cast or Twitter keek vers is our Facebook. Oh you did that too fast 17 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,760 for me, because I'm gonna find out who did this. But that's okay. 18 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:23,719 Let's see here. A big thank you too, April of Darkness patron 19 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:30,439 producer who get out of here. A big thank you to April who recommended 20 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:34,120 this and won the vote. So I will give the synopsis for this because 21 00:01:34,159 --> 00:01:38,359 we will. You know, go watch it if you want to. You 22 00:01:38,439 --> 00:01:42,120 know, I don't know, not be surprised because I'd say there's a s 23 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,319 pubs had said this, and I'd never seen this, and I guess I'm 24 00:01:45,359 --> 00:01:48,120 gonna go first because I just revealed my thing. But there is a nice 25 00:01:48,159 --> 00:01:52,359 little i'd say twenty twenty five minutes in a switch, but the synopsis on 26 00:01:52,439 --> 00:01:57,280 a quiet suburban street, a babysitter must defend a twelve year old from intruders, 27 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,480 only to discover it's far from unnatural or a normal home invasion, not 28 00:02:00,519 --> 00:02:06,439 a natural home invasion, not a natural about that. But yeah, this 29 00:02:06,599 --> 00:02:08,080 was my first time. I'd heard about every once in a while, but 30 00:02:08,159 --> 00:02:12,159 I honestly hadn't heard like people being like you have to see this. I 31 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,120 just around and seeing like oh this is cool horf and I feel like we 32 00:02:15,159 --> 00:02:19,120 had talked about this in the discord like a year or two ago when something 33 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,960 I don't know if it was the Mean One or the Santa Claus with Dave 34 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,360 Harbor, there was just some other Christmas horror movie where it was like, 35 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,560 oh have you seen this? There was some talk and forth back and then 36 00:02:27,759 --> 00:02:31,319 so I, yeah, I'd never seen this. I did end up enjoying 37 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:36,759 this, and I will say that luckily with the misdirect that made me like 38 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,000 it or whatever the change up, because the first fifteen twin Mintes, I 39 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,319 was not digging it. I was like, oh, man, I don't 40 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,599 like where we're going. There's a certain like storyline they're doing where I'm like, 41 00:02:46,039 --> 00:02:49,000 I just don't even feel like a chemistry here, which is odd because 42 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,319 some certain ages, but just like there wasn't. I was like, hey, 43 00:02:52,439 --> 00:02:57,400 this feels very straight to DVD type of horror movie, and you know, 44 00:02:57,479 --> 00:02:59,960 that's fine, we'll see but then there is a nice little twist. 45 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,680 Then yeah, it's a good, solid little flick. I don't know if 46 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,919 it's gonna be in my repertoire of watching it every year. I think this 47 00:03:07,039 --> 00:03:10,080 is one that maybe in the future I would. But there's some fun moments. 48 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,199 A big shut out to the kid leave Mila, who was like now 49 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,800 like he's like an adult but still like at this age. Very fun. 50 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:21,240 Good performance from someone that's quite younger. Uh so that was good. So 51 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,960 yeah, this this was This was an entertaining time. It kept me on 52 00:03:23,039 --> 00:03:28,080 my toes. I enjoyed it for the majority of the time. Maybe it's 53 00:03:28,199 --> 00:03:30,159 only an hour and a half, but maybe you could even shorten it like 54 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:31,280 a little bit, because I feel near to the end. It starts to 55 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,240 almost overstay. It's welcome, not quite there, but like, okay, 56 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,800 this is you know this other character. I don't know if we need this, 57 00:03:38,039 --> 00:03:39,800 but no, I enjoyed it, and like I said, this was 58 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:44,400 my first time. So yeah, I'm in a very similar boat here. 59 00:03:44,639 --> 00:03:46,439 Uh. Never never even heard of this one for me, and I think 60 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,400 it is a very generic title. So I feel like, even a few 61 00:03:50,439 --> 00:03:53,199 months from now have you mentioned it, I will not remember what it is 62 00:03:53,319 --> 00:03:54,199 until you tell me a couple of plot points. I'm like, oh, 63 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,879 yeah, better watch out, that's the one. But yeah, I had 64 00:03:58,919 --> 00:04:01,599 a really good time with this. I had the exact same journey as you. 65 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,199 Travis where I was like, Okay, this is very generic. I've 66 00:04:04,199 --> 00:04:08,199 seen this a thousand times before. But yeah, thankfully that like happens pretty 67 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,400 quick where the switch happens, and then you just get some really fun stuff 68 00:04:11,439 --> 00:04:14,879 where yeah, the main character really true in the scenery. Uh. And 69 00:04:15,199 --> 00:04:18,279 there's not many characters in this it's pretty Uh it's pretty compact in that way, 70 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:23,040 and I think they all kind of do their job and whatnot. So 71 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:24,839 yeah, I had a really good time with it. I thought it was 72 00:04:25,079 --> 00:04:28,560 a really really fun movie. Not that it's like an all timer or anything 73 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:33,839 like that, but just a very solid good time. I saw this movie 74 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:39,959 last year for the first time, and it was a complete surprise. I 75 00:04:39,959 --> 00:04:46,560 remember I was popping off talking to Spubs about it and s Bubs he shared, 76 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:54,720 he shared, he shared me. I think it was a twee he 77 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,120 shared me a tweet. I believe it was from the director where the director 78 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,160 was actually hinting at the sequel for this, like like stay tuned, like 79 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,600 some new stuff coming around or whatever. That was last year. Was that 80 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,879 you that shared it? No, I just been like, you don't need 81 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:11,000 it not happening. I would love the budget, but like we haven't had 82 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,759 any any news news on it, so it's it's I mean, it is 83 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,360 what it is, But what is the budget versus box budget was three million 84 00:05:17,759 --> 00:05:20,759 and from the box office. I mean, I'll just let you find it. 85 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:25,560 I want to see your reaction. Oh my god, box Yeah one 86 00:05:25,639 --> 00:05:29,800 hundred. I didn't even know this was actually the thousand, one hundred and 87 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,399 eighty nine thousand. To be honest, I'll look that screams that it was 88 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,120 streaming in me only opened a few plays. But if that, there's no 89 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:39,120 way they got a why. I don't know how you could blow three million 90 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:43,439 on this movie, to be honest, Like here, well, as some 91 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,680 that's what his name is, Is it Dakary We've discovered as Really it's not. 92 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,560 But that's just how I remember it. You've corrected me, You've told 93 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:54,040 me multiple times, and every time, I'm just like dak Montgomery. I'm 94 00:05:54,079 --> 00:05:57,160 sorry. No Emily knows it. I'll ask. I'll ask her in a 95 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,480 second. She's outside. But yeah, I don't. I sawbody, like 96 00:06:00,519 --> 00:06:01,879 I'm not saying, I get it has to just be the cameras then, 97 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:06,240 because as somebody as we as we, I will a little spoiler. Our 98 00:06:06,439 --> 00:06:10,600 second film takes place mostly just in the house. I was like, yeah, 99 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,279 where did three million go? I guess you know, we're not getting 100 00:06:13,319 --> 00:06:16,879 paid, but still like it is like a three million that like what the 101 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:23,160 box office should be their budget and flip, but that's not the case. 102 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,240 But yeah, I think the fact that this movie, like when I watched 103 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,319 it for the first time, I was watching with mass and like, obviously, 104 00:06:30,399 --> 00:06:32,519 watching it this time, you already know what's going on. I'm expecting 105 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,759 it, but there's still other fun things to just kind of like you recall 106 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:41,040 and pick up on. But that first viewing of this film, it I 107 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:45,439 didn't watch a trailer. The trailer does give it away the twist, which 108 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,560 is it's super shitty, but going going in watching the first time, because 109 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,399 I didn't see the trailer, it was like, holy crap, Like we 110 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,839 mass, We're trying to figure out what's going on. This is crazy. 111 00:06:53,879 --> 00:06:56,519 We couldn't keep up with it for the most part because things were just getting 112 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:01,319 progressively more outrageous and just how things were being one uped and upped and upped. 113 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:06,199 It was. It was crazy how far this this person was willing to 114 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:10,680 go in this story, and there was a lot of things that were really 115 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:15,439 unexpected too that that happened. But I was really satisfied with the ending. 116 00:07:15,839 --> 00:07:19,279 I definitely enjoyed it. So yeah, I think that this is this is 117 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:25,800 something that I'm gonna watch again for sure, and I'm glad that I was 118 00:07:25,839 --> 00:07:28,439 able to catch it last year because the fact that it came out in twenty 119 00:07:28,519 --> 00:07:30,560 sixteen and went under the radar this long, that's super unfortunate. I feel 120 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,920 like there was no marketing for this movie because I don't think you saw that 121 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,839 box office. Yeah, I mean the budget that should have all went to 122 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,399 fucking marketing and promotion because clearly no one's there to spoil the secret, you 123 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:50,319 know. Yeah, yeah, so it's Daker Daker Montgomery, remember going on 124 00:07:50,759 --> 00:07:54,959 so tyry. You weren't far off production. The film was show in Sydney, 125 00:07:54,959 --> 00:07:58,079 Australia in January and February twenty sixteen. It was originally said to be 126 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,560 filmed in South Carolina for a five undred thousand dollars budgets, so they were 127 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:09,639 originally aiming for that when director Chris peck Over. When director Chris Peckover was 128 00:08:09,639 --> 00:08:16,160 approached by Australian producer Brett thorn Quest. These are the area the money laundering. 129 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:22,160 Peck this is the money laundering movies for sure. He offered him three 130 00:08:22,199 --> 00:08:26,879 million budget to shoot the film in Australia after hearing Peckover's mother was Australian native. 131 00:08:26,319 --> 00:08:28,480 What the fuck is going on? When are we gonna get a lucky 132 00:08:28,519 --> 00:08:31,199 break like that? Like, yeah, I wonder if it was like, 133 00:08:31,199 --> 00:08:33,799 Okay, let's go to Australia because maybe time of the year it's like winter 134 00:08:33,919 --> 00:08:35,960 there and they can have snow that they can use. But like it seems 135 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,080 like no, instead of just some random hair brain scheme your months from Australia, 136 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,720 here's three million dollars. This is money laundering for sure. There's something 137 00:08:43,879 --> 00:08:48,960 fucking up with this movie. The money was not for the film. It 138 00:08:48,039 --> 00:08:54,919 was for threes Sentence who he Brent Thornquest offered the director three billion budget to 139 00:08:54,960 --> 00:09:01,679 shoot the film in Australia after hearing the director's mother was an Australian native something 140 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:09,600 what's confusing? Weird? Well the weird things million bucks that's like my yeah, 141 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:15,120 it's just very peculiar. But like it's like we're gonna producers for Taylors 142 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,519 like legacy. Yeah, you said, like the money is obviously going well, 143 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:22,000 not obviously, but the money is like for the cameras and cameras and 144 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:28,399 cameras and sound probably all one set piece. Uh and just Christmas decorations real 145 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,120 known actors really too. Yeah, so like who's getting the bulk of that? 146 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:37,440 I feel like the director was paying Chris over Chris peckover mom. Yeah, 147 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,799 I want to see in the future. We get him there for an 148 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:46,679 interview for a better watch out, and we just paraded with questions the money. 149 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,559 We never asked him a single question about the money, like, so, 150 00:09:50,799 --> 00:09:54,519 how did your mom and the producer link up? You know what's thorn 151 00:09:54,639 --> 00:09:56,639 quest Like I got to see what else thorn quest To produced? After all 152 00:09:56,639 --> 00:10:01,320 we're talking. This is exciting. But so after that the release in May 153 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,519 twenty seventeen, so Dylan is right where I guess some markets it was twenty 154 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,919 sixteen, was twenty seventeen. It was released, It was acquired by well 155 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,639 Go USA. I was released theatrically and through VOD so it might have been 156 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,799 a double release in Australia. I feel like this movie's almost like too soon 157 00:10:16,879 --> 00:10:20,960 because I feel like it came out pre all these streaming services existing in a 158 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,799 big way except for Netflix. And I feel like it actually probably would have 159 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,720 been a pretty successful big hit on a streaming service if it came out in 160 00:10:28,799 --> 00:10:31,480 that era when that was more calm, calm, and I guess, like 161 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,759 the Colvid era or later, or even a little bit before. And then 162 00:10:33,799 --> 00:10:39,039 Australia was released in select theaters in November, so there you go. So 163 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,480 it had some some runs, all the Australians being like, oh, it 164 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:46,039 was filmed in our backyard, just like an American movie, like as American 165 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,919 as it gets. Heeps giving them all this money. Okay, so before 166 00:10:48,919 --> 00:10:50,080 we get into the actual movie, Brent thron Quest, let's see what he's 167 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:56,919 produced here. So he's produced The Jungle, Infany Tear, Miss Better Watch 168 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:00,240 Out, The Rises, Child, Blood Vessel two Heads. Cree. What 169 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,639 if we went through all these movies and like all of the directors have a 170 00:11:03,799 --> 00:11:09,360 parent from Australia and that's like the define thing. Yeah, so this was 171 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,039 really his only thing. But yeah, we gotta we gotta lie to him 172 00:11:13,039 --> 00:11:18,720 and say I also got a parent in Australia film there. Yeah, yeah, 173 00:11:18,799 --> 00:11:22,039 perfect, all right, so yeah, let's I'll get my thoughts first, 174 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:28,360 Travis. But this one is very interesting because well, first of all, 175 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,919 I'd never heard of this movie before. Before I jumped in, I 176 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:33,600 saw like the poster for it, so I kind of assumed it was a 177 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:39,639 thriller type situation. It looks kind of spooky on the cover. And then 178 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,279 as I was watching it, I popped on the letterbox and I popped on 179 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,000 a couple other I guess just rating things, and overall it's pretty positive. 180 00:11:46,039 --> 00:11:48,399 I feel like everyone that I follow on letterbox is like a three year higher 181 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,679 on this. I really really really did not like this movie at all. 182 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,639 I know, very very spicy like take. I was curious how you guys 183 00:11:56,639 --> 00:12:01,440 were gonna be feeling coming into it. But yeah, just like, man, 184 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,320 I really did not like this movie like at all. I think a 185 00:12:05,399 --> 00:12:09,440 big part of it is the main kid. I just I really was getting 186 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,799 annoyed by his just like his line delivery is really chewing up the scenery which 187 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,720 goes one way or the other, and I hated it. I was so 188 00:12:15,879 --> 00:12:18,879 annoyed. I checked the time three different times throughout this movie, and I'm 189 00:12:18,919 --> 00:12:22,440 like, I cannot pliny how long this movie is. I was halfway through 190 00:12:22,519 --> 00:12:24,679 and I was like, man, if this wasn't a Patreon pick, Like, 191 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,759 there's no way I was gonna be finishing this movie. Now that being 192 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,559 said, I feel like there is certain things that happened throughout it that I 193 00:12:31,639 --> 00:12:33,639 am glad I kind of stuck on there, just because it does have some 194 00:12:33,759 --> 00:12:39,279 twists and turns. The first initial like thirty minutes or whatnot, it just 195 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,240 felt like so like six out of ten, maybe seven out of ten, 196 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:45,200 like a thriller type thing. So it's just it's very generic. And then 197 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,080 the twist happened, it kind of had me interested, and then it just 198 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,240 like I totally fell off with just what was going on on the scenes. 199 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,559 You know, when my boy Daker comes into the movie, that's when I 200 00:12:54,639 --> 00:12:56,440 kind of peaked again on my interest level. And then it's just like there's 201 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:00,879 nothing that even really happens with that character. So I was made disappointed from 202 00:13:00,879 --> 00:13:03,879 it. So yeah, overall, I just really had a hard time getting 203 00:13:03,919 --> 00:13:05,480 through this. I am excited to talk to you guys about it, obviously, 204 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,360 like all three of you are a lot more positive on it, and 205 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,519 I don't know, maybe you'll just talk about certain things that kind of boost 206 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,039 it a little bit in my eyes, But I think a big part of 207 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,440 it is just what they're going for who they were doing it with. I 208 00:13:18,759 --> 00:13:22,159 just it wasn't working for me, And I think that's just where it's at, 209 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,440 which is interesting because I feel like, normally, if a movie is 210 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:30,480 mostly positive, like just not even amongst us, but just like amongst like 211 00:13:30,519 --> 00:13:33,559 the general audience, I feel like I'm usually in that like positive category. 212 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,320 But this one was just like majorly, majorly in the opposite direction. So 213 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:39,480 yeah, let's jump into let's talk about this one. Did you put Doune 214 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,720 on after as your palate closer? Actually no, I watched, you know, 215 00:13:43,879 --> 00:13:46,399 to Break the Fourth Wall. Getting ready. I watch all of our 216 00:13:46,879 --> 00:13:50,559 what we were talking about today yesterday, I watched them all. I started 217 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,960 like two episodes of X Men, and then I started with Sucker Punch, 218 00:13:54,159 --> 00:13:56,879 and then and then Shane didn't want to watch Sucker Punch with me, so 219 00:13:56,919 --> 00:13:58,919 I'm like, hey, well maybe she'll watch this Christmas movie with me. 220 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:01,559 So I threw on better watch Out. We watched that one all together, 221 00:14:03,039 --> 00:14:05,000 and then I finished off with X Men, and then I finished off the 222 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,799 night with Sucker Punch, which took me till like two in the morning. 223 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:13,720 Awful, very very very I started watching it like Monday, I'm like, 224 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,919 I gotta space it out or I was not gonna go crazy? Did you 225 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:20,720 think it? Oh? Sorry, go ahead, Dylan. Do you still 226 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,600 that line from the excellent introspective that may Needle was going through in that episode? 227 00:14:26,279 --> 00:14:28,799 Oh, like weary of this life, weary of this darkness, something 228 00:14:28,799 --> 00:14:33,840 like that at the end of the Yeah, watch yeah, especially like not 229 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:37,240 everything that we talked about today was very positive. It was actually quite opposite. 230 00:14:37,279 --> 00:14:39,759 So, yeah, it was a weird day for me. You said 231 00:14:39,799 --> 00:14:43,480 she didn't like Sucker Punch? Does she like Better Watch Out? She didn't 232 00:14:43,639 --> 00:14:48,120 like it. She was concerned because because she doesn't like thriller or horror movies 233 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:52,840 like at all, so she thought it was gonna get too scary the podcast, 234 00:14:52,279 --> 00:14:56,360 but all the content we're reviewing, she's like, what's going on the 235 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:03,240 latest Peckover movie? Does No? I think I think it was weird enough 236 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,600 that she was engaged, but like we were both just really not vibing with 237 00:15:05,679 --> 00:15:09,600 what was going on. And uh so, yeah, yeah, I wouldn't 238 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:16,159 say she liked it at all. You're separated now. That broke it up 239 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,519 that they're like, yeah, we gotta She was like, I can't be 240 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,159 a part of this anymore. Okay, now I gotta know what fucking Peckover 241 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,159 has been doing too, because nothing, he hasn't directed a movie since then. 242 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,799 He the most reason thing he is twenty twenty three, he was a 243 00:15:28,919 --> 00:15:31,120 story consultant on a thing. But that's the last that's the last of it. 244 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:35,919 So unfortunately this tank and he just like hasn't had a career. Centwich 245 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,759 to me is sad, like this is this is a cool movie. Uh, 246 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,919 it seems like it's very me that call he was on the producers no 247 00:15:43,159 --> 00:15:48,559 pecock or whatever, pecock pecock because to me, this seems like the first 248 00:15:48,039 --> 00:15:52,639 twenty thirty minutes is like it's perfect, how much it's like close to just 249 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,279 how generic these kinds of movies can be. And so to me, it 250 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,279 seems like this seems like a very i don't know, like expertly crafted. 251 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,639 Maybe feels like an overstatement, but it feels like it's very aware of like 252 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,519 what these movies are like with the genre, what the tropes are, and 253 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:08,960 so it's like doing that and then misdirecting in a way. I thought it 254 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,720 was very fun. So it's it's disappointing that like there's really none nothing else 255 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:17,919 to see from this guy. And I don't know, like I guess undocumented 256 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:18,919 this other movie he's done. I don't know if I should go back and 257 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,240 check that out or something. But yeah, I wonder what he's doing now. 258 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:26,519 Yeah, that sure, tim Wolf like me is a showing peak call. 259 00:16:26,679 --> 00:16:29,320 I bet this guy would come on geek first. I think we could. 260 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,360 I think we'd find him. What do you think one on one with 261 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,919 him and courage. He's just busy, you know, directing the latest Marvel 262 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,960 movie or something like, Well, you gotta find out where that money went, 263 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,559 you know, like that's a big that's a big really took the money 264 00:16:40,559 --> 00:16:44,440 and ran run. That's why he's not working. He doesn't need to. 265 00:16:44,559 --> 00:16:49,000 He's three point million dollars or whatever. Oh boy, Okay, well we'll 266 00:16:49,039 --> 00:16:52,399 take We'll take it ad break here, just because then the people that haven't 267 00:16:52,399 --> 00:16:53,360 seen the movie, if they don't want to be spoiled on some of the 268 00:16:53,399 --> 00:16:56,440 revels if you've listened to Okay, I'm more tempted about now. It is 269 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,919 a Christmas movie. It is a horror Christmas movie, but it is Christmas. 270 00:17:00,159 --> 00:17:02,600 So we'll take a little break and then when we get back we're full 271 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,880 into it, so if you are interested, definitely don't stick around if you've 272 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:08,119 not seen it, because we will spoil some of the Swiss. So we'll 273 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,720 be right back. And we're back, so dyl must take us away. 274 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:17,039 Yeah, I was curious, would you guys think that this was a Christmas 275 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,720 movie? Always was always a Christmas movie? Because I feel like there's obviously 276 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,319 a lot in yours. There's snow, and there's like home Alone references and 277 00:17:23,559 --> 00:17:26,799 things like this. But I also felt like for a lot of this movie, 278 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:30,839 I kind of completely forgot it was Christmas was the setting. So do 279 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,400 you guys, Do you guys think it always was of that or like, 280 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,200 I don't, I don't know where it would come like down the line. 281 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:38,599 I kind of feel like it always maybe had to be. But I just 282 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,200 feel like it'd be pretty easy to morph this into a non Christmas movie. 283 00:17:42,319 --> 00:17:48,440 So yeah, I think that you could definitely get away with this not being 284 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,640 a Christmas movie. You just changed like the title, and like that could 285 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,000 be it. Like you could have this in a you could completely have this 286 00:17:56,079 --> 00:17:59,200 in like a Halloween type setting and it would be like the same type movie. 287 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,400 There's a Malone reference at one point, but like, really, that's 288 00:18:02,839 --> 00:18:07,440 that's kind of it. There's no there's no major like Santa Claus type things. 289 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:11,960 And I feel like, for like the early portion of this movie, 290 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:15,079 I was expecting some sort of twist to happen, and I was expecting like 291 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,039 some crazy thing like Santa Claus is fucking fading this house or something like. 292 00:18:18,079 --> 00:18:21,839 I I was waiting for that reveal to happen, and then when it happened, 293 00:18:21,839 --> 00:18:25,319 it is like, Okay, like it really isn't a Christmas twist or 294 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:30,000 anything. Like Honestly, I was expecting something like that the fact that it 295 00:18:30,079 --> 00:18:32,960 was Christmas Eve. So yeah, I completely agree with you. I think 296 00:18:33,039 --> 00:18:37,400 that this is just it's a yeah, it's it's like when people say that 297 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,640 the Joker movie isn't isn't really a Joker movie. It's just they just happen 298 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,720 to have the Joker title slapped onto it, but Jokers only even the last 299 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,279 fifteen minutes, you know. Yeah, that's to me, this is like 300 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:52,319 there's two types of Christmas movies. There is a Christmas movie and there's movies 301 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,160 you can watch a Christmas That's what Diehard is and that's what this is. 302 00:18:55,279 --> 00:18:57,599 Diehard is the same thing. You take out Christmas your place with any holiday, 303 00:18:59,079 --> 00:19:00,440 it's the same thing. There's a few references, but you can make 304 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,720 it. You know, it's not I don't understand how you can think this 305 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,720 is not a Christmas really and Diehard watch Diheart again. It's the same fucking 306 00:19:07,759 --> 00:19:11,279 deal, Diehard. You can make it Halloween, New Year's, Thanksgiving. 307 00:19:11,519 --> 00:19:15,400 There's very few references and same thing. So I feel like it maybe all 308 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,880 he was a Christmas movie because it's a good gimmick, like it's a good 309 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:19,000 ty. I like the title, like it's playing off of, you know, 310 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,880 the whole Santa Claus thing, and there's enough of it there, so 311 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,880 I feel like it was in the idea. It's just not like you could 312 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,680 just do this at any point because the how it's subverting is not the Christmas 313 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,839 stuff, the Chrismas. It's not like what Kirkland said, where oh it's 314 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,599 sand and he's killing people, or it's like it's based off of this. 315 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,960 You could make it at any point. The family's going out for Halloween party, 316 00:19:40,079 --> 00:19:44,559 Thanksgiving party, and these kids are home alone and one's horny and dangerous, 317 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:49,920 right, so like so say there's chat name on that'll make like a 318 00:19:51,039 --> 00:19:55,079 subtitle for the next Home Alone, or that could be that could be number 319 00:19:55,079 --> 00:19:59,160 two for this better watch dangerous. Have you seen the guy now, Levi 320 00:19:59,319 --> 00:20:02,640 Miller, he's like more like he's like I saw him playing guitar. He 321 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:07,160 look pretty jack. So yeah, exactly, I'll put these two movies together 322 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,680 for sure. All of are showing up. So yeah, I bet it 323 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:15,039 was. It's just like it's a good hook. But because like they also 324 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,440 have like the snows there, like there's enough things that I guess you'd have 325 00:20:18,559 --> 00:20:22,200 to ask, but I think there's enough things that feel the conception. It 326 00:20:22,319 --> 00:20:25,160 was like we want this to at least take place at Christmas, and it 327 00:20:25,279 --> 00:20:26,119 helps it. It's good, Like I think you had to take this place 328 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:30,240 at like a hallway. That helps it a little bit. So Levi Miller 329 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,200 is in Craven the Hunter. I heard about that. Yeah, so I'm 330 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:38,720 curious what he's gonna be doing in that asking for more producers for some money. 331 00:20:38,839 --> 00:20:42,799 You know. Oh, my director's mom was in Australia. We heard 332 00:20:42,839 --> 00:20:51,720 what happened to Brent Thorncourst. He took all the money and ran right the 333 00:20:51,839 --> 00:20:56,880 squest. But yeah, I mean, I guess getting into the into the 334 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:02,279 twist the reveal, you know it was the kid setting up this, this 335 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,319 whole, this whole scheme, and yeah, then then like this main what's 336 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:07,519 the name of the kid? I don't want to keep saying, Levi Miller, 337 00:21:07,559 --> 00:21:11,400 what's the name of the actual character? Luke Luke right, Yeah, 338 00:21:11,519 --> 00:21:18,079 just being a full on psycho and going, uh, going crazy here locking 339 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:22,039 her up. I love that he has planned out this whole night to such 340 00:21:22,079 --> 00:21:25,839 an extent that he's got a plan for how everything is going to play out, 341 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:30,559 setting up this like suicide note, for explaining how the boyfriend came back 342 00:21:30,559 --> 00:21:33,240 and all that. Like to me when when it gets to that part, 343 00:21:33,279 --> 00:21:36,720 I just think he's so fun in that role because he's very much like Kyla 344 00:21:36,799 --> 00:21:40,880 RNG where he's just like he's an emotional baby. He's just crying and freaking 345 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,240 out at anything that's not going like exactly to his plan. And I know 346 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:45,839 Kirklan's not a fan, but yeah, I just I thought he was like 347 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,920 a really, really fun character. When we got to that point of it, 348 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,240 I said, don't touch our asshole, and he like he shoots his 349 00:21:52,319 --> 00:21:56,079 friend away and everything. This is not part of the plant. Yeah, 350 00:21:56,559 --> 00:21:59,920 No, I I I guess, yeah, unfortunately, I'm sorry Kirkly, 351 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,240 you were annoyed by the kid. But it's not I can see it though. 352 00:22:03,319 --> 00:22:06,319 It's not like a what it's not like a performance from like this kid 353 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,720 was amazing. I liked the cheering, the scenery is good. It reminded 354 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,759 me very much like of a human Chucky doll. That's why he was playing 355 00:22:11,839 --> 00:22:15,480 off like this guy kid felt like what Chucky feels like sometimes, you know, 356 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:21,000 where he has little quirks and stuff. And again I was, what, 357 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,880 sorry, I'm just thinking of that scene from the Chucky TV Show. 358 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,319 You're watching the Chucky TV show now, I've only seen the kow Yeah, 359 00:22:29,799 --> 00:22:36,359 okay, oh right of course. Yeah yeah. So I was happy that 360 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,519 happened because I did feel like before the twist he was even coming off as 361 00:22:40,559 --> 00:22:42,920 a little creepy and a little met and I did not buy it all. 362 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,160 When she's like, oh, if you were my age, maybe I date 363 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,799 you, It's like I'm not seeing this. I don't like. There's show. 364 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,039 There's movies like The Sandlot where you can see like the older girl in 365 00:22:52,039 --> 00:22:55,119 the younger and he's say, oh, like somehow they even do like this 366 00:22:55,279 --> 00:22:56,440 chemistry or even like an it. They do that a little bit, but 367 00:22:56,519 --> 00:22:59,799 like he was like, this is all creep and I was like, if 368 00:22:59,839 --> 00:23:03,119 this whole movie is this like meet cue of these two getting together, and 369 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,039 I'm like, I'm not for any of this. But luckily it wasn't. 370 00:23:06,079 --> 00:23:08,799 And I kind of like that that's the playoff on it because even before he's 371 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,200 like researching about like how oh, if you watch scary movies, it gets 372 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,720 girls like more horny and into It's like he's all like he's playing a trick, 373 00:23:15,759 --> 00:23:19,920 but I feel like he's trying to He's trying to like still win this 374 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,920 scroll over because like I know he has the plan, but I don't know 375 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:26,200 what that wasn't his plan from the beginning of the night, right, that's 376 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,440 a plan? Yeah? More Yeah, it kept it kept going off the 377 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,720 plan than he was kind of improvising. Yeah. Still felt like he to 378 00:23:33,839 --> 00:23:36,200 me to some extent, I feel like he had like he had some of 379 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,920 these backup plans in mind. Yeah, but the way he so quickly thought 380 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,240 about some of these crazy schemes. And it is a great moment where all 381 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,640 that happens and then she's yelling at him and he just slaughs her and she 382 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,160 just goes down the stairs and I was like, is she dead? Like 383 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,920 what the like? It was such a good I love that there was very 384 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,799 little build up. There's build up in like that ten seconds, but it's 385 00:23:53,839 --> 00:23:56,599 the right amount of not me figuring out like, oh, something's off with 386 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,920 this kid, because I was not expecting him just to like. I like 387 00:24:00,079 --> 00:24:02,400 that. Even just laughed too. It wasn't a punch, it was a 388 00:24:02,519 --> 00:24:04,079 slap like. It was just something that I wouldn't act with the gun, 389 00:24:04,519 --> 00:24:07,039 right because he had the gun in his hand. Didn't think of that. 390 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,519 Oh maybe he did. I think there was. I can't remember. It's 391 00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:15,720 a slap. We outvoted, you know, three million to one. Clearly 392 00:24:15,759 --> 00:24:19,519 wasn't watch your movie. You guys are probably right. Yeah, he was 393 00:24:19,559 --> 00:24:25,640 watching that in Sucker Punch at the same time. Yeahs and yeah, just 394 00:24:25,759 --> 00:24:30,079 three screens. But yeah, no, I think it's like we talked about 395 00:24:30,079 --> 00:24:34,839 before, the beginning is a generic start, but it works in kind of 396 00:24:36,039 --> 00:24:40,160 conception of what happens after because at first like, oh, right, like 397 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:41,119 what's gonna happen? And the second I say, oh, isn't that your 398 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,359 mask, that's when the fund starts to happen and uh uh yeah, hygiene 399 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,200 that kiss that he goes for on the coach when they're watching the movie. 400 00:24:51,079 --> 00:24:53,720 I was dying laughing at that, Like he just he's so he just like 401 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,160 I don't know, just like the whole movement he does there, it's just 402 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:03,319 so over the top. I loved it. So yeah. So the opening 403 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,599 portion of the movie, like I said earlier, it just said, it 404 00:25:06,759 --> 00:25:11,359 just seems so generic and just boring and like forgettable. So I am glad 405 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,559 that that wasn't the whole movie. I think that I was expecting some sort 406 00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:18,359 of twist to happen, Like I said, I was expecting some fucking Santa 407 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,480 Claus thing, mean, mean one level twist. I wasn't expecting exactly that 408 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,720 it was just his plan all along. I feel like unfortunately, like I 409 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:32,440 was kind of just bored of it in that sequence and then when it just 410 00:25:32,519 --> 00:25:36,480 we kept going on of like him trying to like win her over, and 411 00:25:36,839 --> 00:25:41,119 I think I just had way too much like like over analyzing of the situation 412 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,279 of like he's like supposed to be twelve years old and she's what five years 413 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,599 older than him. I think they in the sequence and I'm just like, 414 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,119 this is so cringey to watch. I hate this so much, like all 415 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,079 these scenes are going on way too long of him trying to like schmooze her, 416 00:25:55,799 --> 00:26:00,680 and I just really wasn't vibing like that early on with just his charisma 417 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,400 of the actor, like just just selling these scenes. Obviously, you guys 418 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,119 took it the right way. I'm i'm, I'm, I'm, I took 419 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,519 it the wrong way here. Uh. And then so those sequences were already 420 00:26:11,559 --> 00:26:14,799 going on way too long for me. I just wasn't liking the material that 421 00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:18,519 we were getting. And then I think I really like piqued my interest when 422 00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:22,680 we did get that reveal when he does get to the point of like smacking 423 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,920 her down the stairs, and it's just like, holy shit, what is 424 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,720 going on here? This movie is not what I expected. But then when 425 00:26:29,759 --> 00:26:33,200 we go into this just yeah, like again like he is the main villain 426 00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:36,119 here, he is the one chewing up the scenery. I was just really 427 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,200 annoyed with it because I was just I was just getting like, yeah, 428 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,119 he is a psychopath. But it's also like he just seemed like a very 429 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,920 like overly privileged child of just like he's so upset that this babysitter isn't just 430 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:52,240 like wanting to smooch him and like be his girlfriend. I just really was 431 00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:56,000 like, man, there's no like, there's no there's nothing for me that 432 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,680 like makes me want to I don't know, like and like watch this this 433 00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:03,559 sequence go on and like really like if this was a patri but I feel 434 00:27:03,559 --> 00:27:07,000 like I would have just turned off the movie right there, which is probably 435 00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:08,359 good that I had to stick through it and watch it, because there is 436 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,079 some some twist and turns that kind of happened along the way there. But 437 00:27:11,519 --> 00:27:15,039 I just really didn't like the character. And it's just I don't know, 438 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,880 I guess I just took it not in the right the right way there, 439 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,039 but uh yeah, so yeah, I I really don't have like much more 440 00:27:23,079 --> 00:27:26,640 to say on like the character over that. It's just it wasn't working for 441 00:27:26,759 --> 00:27:30,359 me at the end. It was it was kind of fun when like the 442 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,039 music changed his mom and dad were coming home and he just like had a 443 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,960 list of things to like this is just how he's going to be innocent. 444 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,839 But yeah, I just really really wasn't a fan of the of that character. 445 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,799 And that's just the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. I was really worried 446 00:27:44,319 --> 00:27:45,079 was like, that's really all I had to say, and then he said 447 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,039 that character just turn off the twenty seven minutes into the podcast. That's all 448 00:27:49,039 --> 00:27:53,960 I had to say. That's it. Yeah, yeah, he I think 449 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,119 the actor did a great job because the character is very much he just you 450 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,240 get angry with him and frustrated because he's just keeps getting the one up and 451 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,880 just in situations where you think, man, how is he pulling through and 452 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,279 how's he how's he got her tied up? Has he taken down the x's 453 00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:08,160 all that kind of stuff, and it's like, fuck, he's just still 454 00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:12,119 coming out on top. His plans are changing and he's still just a little 455 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:18,359 shit And I think he I liked how he was doing this and even though 456 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,319 he was like just getting on my nerves, but that I think he had 457 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,000 kind of like a Jeoffrey Game of Thrones vibe to him, I guess you 458 00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:29,359 could say, and just very immaturely at the top of the food chain and 459 00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:33,759 you just you you hate him. So I definitely enjoyed that aspect and just 460 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:38,400 how he, uh, how he's going about doing things. Just that's where 461 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,880 it starts to get really like, uh more humorous and whatnot. But at 462 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:47,160 the very beginning I thought that I thought that there was something weird going on, 463 00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:52,680 and that didn't start until maybe the back half of when things went really 464 00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:53,960 like sideways. So I thought, oh, okay, we're really getting just 465 00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:59,720 like some home invasion like serial killer kind of set up here. When like 466 00:28:59,799 --> 00:29:03,960 the friend died and all that kind of stuff, I was really like I 467 00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:06,359 was eating it up, like okay, this is this is pretty crazy. 468 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:07,720 But again it felt like, Okay, this is something we've seen before. 469 00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:14,720 But then that twist, it's so like you're at one hundred because you feel 470 00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:17,519 like this guy's walk around like a shotgun rifle in the house. You feel 471 00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:21,319 like the things are really gonna go sideways. But then it immediately when she 472 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,200 figures out who it is, the twist has calmed down, like Okay, 473 00:29:23,319 --> 00:29:26,960 this is really what's going on, and there's a moment of reprieve and it's 474 00:29:26,039 --> 00:29:30,319 calmed down and you don't feel like it's gonna go up the ante again. 475 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,400 But like you said, that slap comes and it's like, holy shit, 476 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,200 we're in another like we're we've crossed that line and we're in a really wild 477 00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:41,079 moment now with what our characters are doing so I like that. Yeah, 478 00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:45,559 and I do like because there's always this sort of I guess I do. 479 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,720 But what I like is there is stakes throughout where you get that one boyfriend 480 00:29:48,759 --> 00:29:52,599 that died, you get the friend that died, because sometimes I feel like 481 00:29:52,599 --> 00:29:56,160 a lot of these situations there's a lot of like when that boyfriend showed up 482 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,160 and he has the flowers. I like that the kid didn't explain away because 483 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:00,559 I think these all see is that where the neighbor does get to explain away 484 00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:03,480 and then they don't come back to me the third act. So I like 485 00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:06,920 that. I think if the whole movie was just the two young boys and 486 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,920 her tied up and like talking him down, the twist would be fun, 487 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,079 but for me, the rest of it wouldn't be there. But I like 488 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,759 that that, you know, first boyfriend, he like tricks the kid to 489 00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:17,880 get in there, right, so like, oh shit, what's gonna happen 490 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,640 now you know? And then he gets a baseball at now you know. 491 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:22,960 I don't know the fact, I guess right the gun came in, but 492 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,160 I still feel like he was pretty weak against those two kids. I'm just 493 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,359 gonna throw that out there, like he was a five year older gentleman. 494 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,759 He should have been fucking punting these kids, but alas he did not. 495 00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:34,480 But he was quick on his feet to pee and get the kid out of 496 00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:38,039 there and stuff. So, and I think that's the best part about this 497 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,279 too, that there's certain things where you go why would a character like the 498 00:30:42,319 --> 00:30:45,480 bad guys walk out or not catch just but because they are dumb kids, 499 00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:49,039 you kind of get a lot of free range to do a lot of that 500 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,519 stuff, right, So why wouldn't the kids think that? Why would they 501 00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:55,440 think this adult almost adult male would just pee randomly? He says, I 502 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:56,920 gotta go pee, and then he just peas no one does that, but 503 00:30:57,079 --> 00:31:00,200 like a one or two year old, right, like that's not a thing. 504 00:31:00,319 --> 00:31:03,759 But them being a kid, they don't. They don't think that. 505 00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:06,200 They just think this guy's scared, no, and I'm gonna leave for a 506 00:31:06,279 --> 00:31:08,759 bit, you know. Or even with our main character, he doesn't really 507 00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:12,279 think his best friend's gonna turn on him. So when he's like out there 508 00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:17,480 messing with a daker, which that was one that I I wish there was 509 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:18,839 another way to get into the room. I didn't need daker added in there. 510 00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:21,559 I thought that's where for me it's like, Okay, the movie is 511 00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:22,880 going a little long for me. So when Kirklan was like an up for 512 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,400 you, it is like a down for me, Like, okay, I 513 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,400 or we're getting along on the two with you already. I got the concepts 514 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,640 where it is. But I think they do it a good job of still 515 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,279 Okay, he's a clever kid, but there's still kids and they can still 516 00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:37,400 be outsmarted a little bit, even though they had the copious amount of weapons 517 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,480 between a fake gun and bats and this that thing that fake killed the other 518 00:31:41,599 --> 00:31:44,799 kid. So very hancul too. Kevin mccawster, Yeah, I got so 519 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,759 excited though when uh yeah, when Daker was just in the car and he's 520 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,480 just like he's wearing like the funny outfit, I'm like, man, he's 521 00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:56,079 gonna be this asshole. Like it's like we're getting Billy again from Stranger Things. 522 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,799 So I I really got excited for just what was gonna come. But 523 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,680 man, what a misuse of that actor, Like why even have him in 524 00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:07,920 this movie? It really is nothing that you get from it, Like you 525 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,119 don't even need that X to come. I like, I don't think it 526 00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:15,039 brings anything into the movie. You just have to you're the because I thought 527 00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:17,160 about this too, and then I'm like, Okay, the reason is they 528 00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:22,680 need Luke out of the house because they that's they need the friend and her 529 00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:24,000 together. I still think there's some other way you could do it, but 530 00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:29,000 that's the reason is you need them to talk. But it doesn't even matter 531 00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:32,640 that much because like he just make a little washingroom, because what happens when 532 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,400 Luke comes in shoots the kid kills him right away, and then just kills 533 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,240 her right So it's not like there was this big chase scene set up like 534 00:32:38,319 --> 00:32:43,960 car his friend making a baby face turn doesn't change anything in the movie. 535 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,359 Everything still goes to shit. So that's why I still rack my brain, 536 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,759 go, I you could just chop that. It's not a big thing, 537 00:32:49,839 --> 00:32:52,079 but it's a little thing where I guess maybe they just want the kid to 538 00:32:52,079 --> 00:32:54,799 maybe have another victim to like it make a more evil that he kills this 539 00:32:54,880 --> 00:33:00,599 guy with a how does he hang him again? He say something contraptions, 540 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:06,359 hecase he's attractor right on the one side, right of course. Yeah, 541 00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:12,119 yeah, I mean I guess I feel like that sequence need to happen. 542 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,799 So there was some believability that they're that he could pull off this whole thing 543 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:20,599 and there would be like a logical motive for who came to the house and 544 00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:24,039 performed all these killings. Like I guess he didn't really have a way for 545 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,359 that to make sense with the current boyfriend, so he needed to bring in 546 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,240 this this previous guy. So maybe that was the reason for it. But 547 00:33:32,759 --> 00:33:36,720 yeah, pacing wise, I don't I didn't really have I guess the same 548 00:33:37,599 --> 00:33:42,799 issues that you guys did with h with that sequence of it got the nice 549 00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:46,039 home alone reference. They didn't again, they had that three million budget. 550 00:33:46,079 --> 00:33:50,240 You don't get to see the face of the guy. But very PG. 551 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,839 Thirteen vibes with some of the action stuff, and that was the one that 552 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,359 stood out the most. Yeah, so I thought we might see it. 553 00:33:55,400 --> 00:34:00,000 But fun, little fun, little moment against same thing, Like it's you 554 00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:02,680 know, there's little stuff when he throws the paint inn and you know the 555 00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:06,960 girl doesn't really react like you could you could try to. It's it's fun 556 00:34:07,079 --> 00:34:07,840 because we all think about that, like, man, if he threw a 557 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,119 brick at Marv's head, like that's not what would happen. He would just 558 00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:14,880 straight up die. And so I like that they kind of joked in that 559 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:15,920 way, was like, oh, you said that he would just knock him 560 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,639 back, like it wouldn't do anything wrong, but it just snaps his neck. 561 00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:24,039 Who who's winning, Kevin McAllister or Luke Kevin? Kevin? Luke's more 562 00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:29,679 emotional. Oh yeah, yeah. Luke's got a gun though, like multiple 563 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,559 guns. So did some of the web bandits, but they didn't have Oh 564 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:37,239 right, I guess they had number two gun number two they had. They 565 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:44,719 had the gun because they can't fire it because he's slipped like it's it's tough 566 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:49,440 because aving they Kevin wins and this guy still loses, right because he couldn't 567 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,719 even confirm his kill. With the girl, she was very and I did 568 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,360 like that very clever way she They even said, oh she's such a smart 569 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,079 girl, but that was smart. That the whole movie she's working on that 570 00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:00,000 tape and she does keep the tape to put over her throat, and I 571 00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:04,119 do think that's really good. I like the ending of her command was just 572 00:35:04,199 --> 00:35:06,559 that middle finger and he's like, well, like, we should go to 573 00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:08,159 the hospital. I'm really worried about So I just pictured him in the hospital 574 00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:12,280 like scrambling around and fucking try and kill her, but yeah, pulling the 575 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,159 plug on the life support, you know exactly, But like he didn't get 576 00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:17,480 away with it. Where Kevin his parents twice? That's the thing, Like 577 00:35:17,519 --> 00:35:21,320 the ending is not declared of one way or the other. No, there's 578 00:35:21,559 --> 00:35:24,440 a there's even like a mini post credit scene right where he's like, let's 579 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:29,679 go to the hospital. Yeah said that, Yeah there, Yeah, I 580 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,400 was listening to you. I was waiting for you to finish tik, Like 581 00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:37,519 there's there's there's no way we can say that the plan was foiled at the 582 00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:40,119 end, right because she's there. All she has to do is take off 583 00:35:40,159 --> 00:35:44,400 that mask, say yeah that kill So she's like so fucked up. She 584 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,559 could write it down, she write yeah, exactly, write down that kids 585 00:35:46,599 --> 00:35:50,480 fucked There's no way. Fact that she did. The middle finger implies like 586 00:35:50,599 --> 00:35:52,840 she knows, she's yeah, it'd be different if she was just in the 587 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,400 hospital, like like on the gurny, like oh fuck, what state. 588 00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:00,320 But the fact that she is the mind to middle fingers like her her mind 589 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,840 is constantly working out the second go to the hospital. Let's say that takes 590 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,760 ten minutes and then they show up. Because they do go to the hospital, 591 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,480 the mom takes them there, like she could be gone within a half 592 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:14,119 an hour gone, where Like she could be at the hospital and he could 593 00:36:14,159 --> 00:36:15,880 go there and finish her off. However, no cops would be all over 594 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,920 her in that situation. They would be they would be interviewing her if she 595 00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:22,599 was awake and stuff like. I don't think she can talk. I think 596 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,679 the knife to the throat isn't that. That's fine. But they if they 597 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:29,599 have a surviving victim from this house attack, they're gonna send police to the 598 00:36:29,679 --> 00:36:32,239 hospital. They're not just gonna have her be chilling there. I really like, 599 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,039 I don't think their first instinct is gonna be, hey, can you 600 00:36:36,119 --> 00:36:38,360 write down what happened here? I think she might be she might be like 601 00:36:38,519 --> 00:36:43,519 pen paper, like if I was attacked by this little kid. I think 602 00:36:43,639 --> 00:36:46,320 with just the middle finger to me is like her mind's already working. That's 603 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,360 where I think it would have been better. I in my mind, it's 604 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,000 okay, he's fucked. He's gonna go to a little juviie or whatever. 605 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,239 But that's why I think if you want to be left, you don't do 606 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,519 the middle finger. But she's all she's ready to go. She like she 607 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,360 could request you're assuming so much here, Like she doesn't know any of the 608 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,920 stuff he did in the backyard really like he doesn't she doesn't know that he's 609 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,880 set up the ex boyfriend and whatnot. But it doesn't matter. All she 610 00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:13,760 says, if she could speak, she's just like, yeah, that kid 611 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,559 did this. The kid stab me, And right way, they'd be like 612 00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:19,800 like the second you'd say that, that's when the police will be k fuck. 613 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,239 There's something where even if she was they thought she might be lying or 614 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,199 loopy. The second if she said no, none of that happened, this 615 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:29,360 happened, the police would be all over that cave, like she'd be separated. 616 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,119 You can't visit right now. There's especially they're not gonna let the kid 617 00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:35,960 that she said, oh, this kid killed me, even if he's family, 618 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,239 Oh, you could go in and visit. Like there's no fucking way 619 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,880 he gets in that room. There's no way he's fucked. He's in a 620 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:45,159 little juvie maybe to agree to disagree on this one. Yeah, I think 621 00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:49,320 there's enough that where she probably thinks she's safe too, Like I don't know 622 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,719 if she's immediately like freaking out trying to get this plan uh explained out and 623 00:37:54,159 --> 00:37:58,599 especially if she can't speak, so I think she uh dies in the ambulance 624 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,639 the way because a fucking brutal wound, especially like I was watching with she 625 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,360 she's like, there's no fucking way duct tape would save her in that in 626 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,480 that ends. Okay, Yeah that works for me. Yeah, that would 627 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,960 be how you would have to do the sequels. You'd have to pick up 628 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:14,079 and she'd already be dead because I don't think like because like because there's no 629 00:38:14,199 --> 00:38:16,280 sequel with both of them alive, right other than him going to prison because 630 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,519 she's alive. It's like, well he would go to the hospital and kill 631 00:38:20,599 --> 00:38:22,559 her or she would have had to die on the way. I have to 632 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,519 pick up like directly after like they you can't do that too, where Laurie 633 00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:29,760 goes to the hospital, like just follow right after the events. Yeah, 634 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,840 but you can't do that. You got our protagonist, it's like seven years 635 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:37,519 older now, seven foot just five shows up. I'm a man now. 636 00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:42,679 So that's how you'd have to That's how I saw your your email or the 637 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,000 message share about the director saying like, oh I got a great idea, 638 00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:46,719 So I'm not sure what it would be, but yeah, you'd have to 639 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,639 have her, she'd have to die on the way or yeah, then he 640 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,559 did get to her, because you can't. I just don't think you could 641 00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:58,719 have her actively alive and just be hanging around and stuff, and you can't 642 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,559 do direct Halloween too is Yeah, they're all, They're all, he's not 643 00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:05,400 a wee lad anymore, you know. So Yeah, I don't really know 644 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,719 what you do for a sequel because I feel like that sequence of him going 645 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,639 to the hospital and taking her out like that takes ten minutes and then what's 646 00:39:10,679 --> 00:39:15,920 the movie? There's like no connection to anything else at that point with all 647 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,000 the other characters. Yeah, getting off along the way. That's really like 648 00:39:19,039 --> 00:39:21,039 it's a fun response, but it's like, oh, I want to do 649 00:39:21,039 --> 00:39:22,719 in the subversive, But that's what it's like for me. It's like, 650 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,199 I guess i'd have to hear the pitch right first, and that's where it's 651 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,159 tough, because I don't think they'd pitch you the idea. But it's just 652 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,599 like this story, whether it's like myself, I think it's closed or if 653 00:39:30,679 --> 00:39:34,280 Dylan, things is opened either round them, Like I don't think i'd see 654 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,360 a sequel like that is like satisfying, you know, Like I because like, 655 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,280 I like, because even if it's the sequel of them facing down again 656 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,639 years later, let's say he got away with it and she's alive, it's 657 00:39:44,679 --> 00:39:46,920 like, I don't have much Like, I don't know, there's there's nothing. 658 00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:50,320 I think, it's like a this is like perfect where it is. 659 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,760 It's a good circle. I you know, I think I almost would have 660 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:57,599 liked it more if she wasn't alive at the end. And that's like also 661 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,400 subverting another expectation. Oh yeah, there's no happening in this, Like he 662 00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:05,280 just he successfully pulled it off. I think I might maybe would have liked 663 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,719 that a bit more because this felt a bit more, a bit more generic. 664 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,880 I'll say it, and then he's on to his next victim or lady 665 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,760 that you know, m h, it's denying them. So yeah, exactly 666 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:16,800 are you trying to say something? You look like you keep seeing you go 667 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,800 to the mic. There, No, no, I just thought I saw 668 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,320 some lips mooove. Well, I was thinking, like I mean, but 669 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,559 you already pretty much said it. If they were to do a sequel, 670 00:40:24,599 --> 00:40:28,679 it would be I imagine he gets at a JUV, you know, time 671 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,280 later, ju gets out of ju time later, and he goes for her. 672 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:36,039 I don't know what the rules regulation are a Juvie, but I would 673 00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:39,159 have to say, let's say Miami happens and he gets proved if he killed 674 00:40:39,199 --> 00:40:42,880 three people. I don't think it doesn't matter if he's twelve. I think 675 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,039 he's in there for you. You like, try it as an adult in 676 00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:46,119 that instance. Yeah, I think you're in there for the rest of your 677 00:40:46,159 --> 00:40:49,079 life, or at least you're in like a mental home the rest of your 678 00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:51,480 life. Like, there's no way, of course, that could be him. 679 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,719 Break that could be the right is at the sequel where he does go 680 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,360 to Juvie and he breaks out to try and get her, Like, that 681 00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,960 could be it. But the same thing, I'm like, what's the subversion 682 00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:02,280 there? I really don't know. They do a skip of like forty years 683 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:07,760 later they just recast it's. Yeah, some events like that Halloween movie where 684 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:14,360 they're making a documentary on it. Yeah, what else? I I there's 685 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,800 a couple. I like the Carol the sequence with the Carollers, just because 686 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:21,320 I think, like, man, it's so that's like some good dark comedy 687 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,519 there of all this crazy shit's going on inside this house and he's just out 688 00:41:23,519 --> 00:41:28,639 there like he's like giving them hot chocolate, just being such a schmoozer. 689 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,239 I love the sequence at the end with the when he's like trying to get 690 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,440 the pencil to stay on the door knob but he just can't do it. 691 00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:37,679 I just love the acting of that, like trying to do it like three 692 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,440 or four times you can't get it to work, and then he's out on 693 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,320 the roof, and I just love that little quick like fucking deer's when he 694 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,880 like kicked over the one deer. I thought that was that was pretty funny. 695 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,199 So I like that that sequence there, and definitely knew something like the 696 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,719 way that pencil thing was shot of like the mom showing her how to do 697 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,320 it. I was like, oh, that's that's foreshadow one on one right 698 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,719 there, Like this is absolutely coming back. At some point I thought what 699 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:04,360 would happened is she would this is like even before I knew that it was 700 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,840 like the friends setting up this this burglar thing. But I thought like someone 701 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,599 was gonna get knocked on the ground there and that was gonna be like how 702 00:42:09,639 --> 00:42:13,280 they like fought off the bad guys like grabbed the pencil that was under the 703 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,360 carpet and like stabbed the bad guy or something, but it ended up not 704 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:20,360 being quite that, but they still came back in some way. Yeah. 705 00:42:21,079 --> 00:42:23,000 I liked which I think he used a couple of times. I liked the 706 00:42:23,079 --> 00:42:25,400 reveal of him killing the Gerbil. That was a fun time, like, 707 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,559 oh, he killed her Gerbil and then you know she us that again was 708 00:42:29,559 --> 00:42:35,159 a psychopath murder. Yeah, and I kind of liked that they made that 709 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,599 kid even be a bit like he's pretty, he's pretty dumb, you know, 710 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,639 like that, he's just he just has the best friend who's you know, 711 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,679 a little off kilter, and he's still don't get me wrong, he's 712 00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:46,159 definitely would be serving some time. He got blown away a shotgun, so 713 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:50,920 he's not serving any time except for the in Hell I guess that. But 714 00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:53,840 yeah, he was in the there you go. I'll just say he was 715 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:59,559 in the visitor that Shyamalan moved. He was in the visit with our with 716 00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:04,119 our lead. It's a female too, those kid, that's crazy. So 717 00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:08,159 they worked together like within a year or two back to that's really cool because 718 00:43:08,159 --> 00:43:10,960 I looked at because I was I saw her like where is she from? 719 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,079 And she's also placed Priscilla in and New Elvis movie like the Awesome Butler, 720 00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:16,679 and I was like, I don't remember that, but I was like, 721 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,840 I recognized from someone the visit but same thing. I knew I recognized him 722 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,559 from somewhere. But oh that's cool, that's funny little connection. H Yeah, 723 00:43:24,559 --> 00:43:28,320 I don't think I've seen her in any before, but yeah, I 724 00:43:28,519 --> 00:43:32,079 thought that was a good I think that that that worked for me, that 725 00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:36,360 plotline, because I don't know, like I guess it does. The intensity 726 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,559 just get ratcheted up pretty quickly, but still, like I guess you can, 727 00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:43,480 you can understand how he would get strung along from one thing to another, 728 00:43:43,679 --> 00:43:45,000 Like he knocks her out, they just lock her up like at this 729 00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:47,960 point like nothing, Okay, it's bad, but it's like it's not horrendous 730 00:43:49,039 --> 00:43:52,920 yet, like no one's been hurt physically at that point. So to me, 731 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,440 it works that he's getting strung along and eventually he's just seen too much 732 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,559 where it's like man, I can't get out of this, like I'm gonna 733 00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:00,480 have to commit to it. And once again, like as you mentioned, 734 00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:04,440 is it like a young teenager or something too, so obviously he's not gonna 735 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,679 think through it completely. So I think that that worked for me, and 736 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:13,559 added like a nice element where like she's trying to get on his good side 737 00:44:13,559 --> 00:44:15,320 the whole time to break out and so add a little bit of tension there. 738 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,119 I think that's what I like about our main character. There's not some 739 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,239 big crying scene where that you don't have to do this the whole time. 740 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,440 It is just kind of like she's always trying to parse like realistic information of 741 00:44:25,519 --> 00:44:28,920 like you're not gonna get away at this if you don't stop now, your 742 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,840 parents are gonna find out and you're pretty much screwed. Like she's trying to 743 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,440 appeal from that, like which makes sense for a child, right, Like 744 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,000 you're gonna get in big trouble if you don't, you know, let me 745 00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:42,960 go, and all these things. And so yeah, I like some of 746 00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:45,360 that stuff. And then obviously there's a lot of portion wear and fortress. 747 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,000 She's just kind of taped up so she doesn't have too much dialogue. And 748 00:44:47,079 --> 00:44:50,760 I thought she's good enough lead for what this is. You know, I 749 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,880 don't think you need like a you know, a knockout actress or act or 750 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:57,960 anything like. It's a fun enough role. So she seemed like smart enough 751 00:44:58,039 --> 00:45:01,039 to to like handle what she could like obviously there's not much she can do 752 00:45:01,159 --> 00:45:04,920 here, just taped to a chair or whatnot. But she seemed like a 753 00:45:05,559 --> 00:45:08,679 believable individual like in those scenes, not just I don't know, over the 754 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:14,199 top, yeah, like a stereotypical like victim type character might be in one 755 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,440 of these movies. But she she seemed like she like even when, like 756 00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:20,239 you said, like when she's, uh, when she's just talking back to 757 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,960 Lucas, I'm not just like you don't have to do this, please let 758 00:45:22,039 --> 00:45:24,480 me go, like it's all gonna be okay, like it is laying out 759 00:45:24,559 --> 00:45:30,000 the more realistic side of the situation. And then like even just later on 760 00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:34,360 when I can't remember I think it is actually when Garrett just gets fucking blown 761 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,360 away and she like doesn't even react at that point because she's just become like 762 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,719 so numb, like she's just like it's one part going through like shock and 763 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:44,800 trauma. But if you're just like engulfed in it for that amount of time, 764 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,840 like you must just like you have no reaction. It's like I'm taped 765 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,639 up here, it's fucking psycho. Just won't leave me alone, won't let 766 00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:52,960 me out. He just killed his own friend. He killed my my boyfriend, 767 00:45:53,119 --> 00:46:00,159 my ex, all all these different individuals she's going through it, and 768 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,559 what would like, what do you think his base plan was? Just like 769 00:46:02,679 --> 00:46:06,760 once he got her tied up, like what was the what was just the 770 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,559 initial first plan after that? Like what do you mean at what part? 771 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:15,599 Like when uh, when we first out? No, just like what I 772 00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:17,519 guess it was just he can cooc to his plan to just kill I guess 773 00:46:17,639 --> 00:46:20,519 I guess she does say that right, like you were never gonna let me 774 00:46:20,559 --> 00:46:22,360 go? So I guess the second he hitser ties her up, he just 775 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,079 knows that, Okay, I'm gonna kill her the boyfriend and maybe another person. 776 00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:30,480 Yeah, I mean I think at that point that's it's already gone off 777 00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:35,480 script, and like maybe he's slightly considered these options, but I think he 778 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,880 just envisioned the perfect world where she like falls in love with him, they 779 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:42,400 bond over this moment. Yeah right, So I feel like after he hit 780 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,039 her out of rage, I think that's already off script at that point, 781 00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:49,960 So I think I think he's improvising. I took it like, yeah, 782 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,199 that was his perfect plan, she just falls in love with him, which 783 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:53,119 obviously didn't happen. So it's like, Okay, well, I'm gonna just 784 00:46:53,159 --> 00:46:58,119 destroy her whole world around her, just like brings in her boyfriend, brings 785 00:46:58,199 --> 00:47:02,639 in the ax to just like basically murder. Just yeah, fucking psychopath child. 786 00:47:04,559 --> 00:47:09,719 Yeah's having fun with it. I wonder well, because I feel like 787 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:15,480 even just the amount of knowledge he has on the ex boyfriend and and I 788 00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:17,599 guess the current boyfriend makes a bit more sense. But it feels like maybe 789 00:47:17,639 --> 00:47:20,719 he's been doing some research of thinking, like, man, how could I 790 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,320 take this boyfriend out? Like maybe that was part of the plan for like 791 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,280 the months leading up to this moment or something. He's planning out this ex 792 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:30,760 boyfriend takes out this boyfriend. It's like some hairbrain scheme and like somehow that 793 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,840 bonds all of them together. So I don't know. I guess I said 794 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:37,119 at the top, like maybe he plan planned this, had this whole thing 795 00:47:37,159 --> 00:47:37,639 planned out. But I think the more and more I think about, the 796 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,719 less and less that makes sense and it really is just improvising. But maybe 797 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:45,480 there were little inklings of of plans that he had just fantasized about, and 798 00:47:45,519 --> 00:47:47,400 he's like I'm gonna bring it. I'm gonna bring it to life. Here 799 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,559 see that's more of the John Kramer, you know, the jigsaw, all 800 00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:53,039 these different ole if it goes to go this route, go this route. 801 00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:59,840 Yeah, he's definitely no genius. Yeah, no anything else. I don't 802 00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:01,519 have much for truvia. I have like three notes because there's not much trivia 803 00:48:01,519 --> 00:48:06,280 about this because they probably came it pretty hush with the whole money laundering apart. 804 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:07,840 But mm hmmm, yeah, No, I don't think I have anything 805 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:13,360 else. I don't think I got anything else either. Nope, nothing for 806 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,480 me. You're sure, you know, I'll just I'll stay quiet. What 807 00:48:17,679 --> 00:48:21,400 was it is there somewhere? Na? What was it? Not? Really? 808 00:48:21,559 --> 00:48:24,039 I just feel like, uh, I don't know. I was gonna 809 00:48:24,039 --> 00:48:28,760 try and pull some positives. I did, like the little little twists where 810 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,079 Garrett looks like he got shot, but they like rigged up the paintball, 811 00:48:31,199 --> 00:48:35,840 like the gadget aspect, which I guess you can compare it to Home alone. 812 00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,800 Like that stuff was fun. Uh you know, this shows some of 813 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:44,880 his his mastermind techniques. And like I will say, like they did a 814 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,000 good job with the with the twist stuff, like when they actually had the 815 00:48:47,039 --> 00:48:52,239 burglar in the house with the shotgun. That was actually just Garrett like there 816 00:48:52,519 --> 00:48:55,679 was some real fun tension in those moments of like the babysitter hiding in the 817 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,880 laundry machine room and then the buzzer goes off, and it's just up until 818 00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:01,480 that point, it's like, holy funk, like the Killer is gonna come 819 00:49:01,559 --> 00:49:05,199 get them. They get like it is early on in the movie. So 820 00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,039 maybe I was I was expecting, like I said, Santa Claus to come 821 00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:15,119 out or someone some some mean one type of point there Killer movie, And 822 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,239 man, what type of spiders do they have? And I guess they are 823 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,960 in Australia, so that makes sense. But man, those spiders were, 824 00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:23,920 well they're not large. They're in US, right, No, they're not 825 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:28,480 trying to break them the fourth wall. But wait in the movie they aren't. 826 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,480 But the mo they're filming in Australia. Maybe they grab some from the 827 00:49:34,519 --> 00:49:37,360 the spider dispensary and yeah, but I guess it does like they are revealed 828 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,840 that they are his spiders. Right, he captures them and puts them back 829 00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:46,719 in the cage, studying spiders and his mom was setting right before she died, 830 00:49:47,639 --> 00:49:52,239 and what sorry, what was the dynamic again? It was the separate 831 00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:53,920 marriages, right, come together, right, So their step brothers stef sister. 832 00:49:54,119 --> 00:49:57,920 Is that what it was? Or was was she just a babysitter? 833 00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,519 Her family's like moving away too. Then I definitely confused a plot point I 834 00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:05,920 had at one point in my mind because I thought one point there was that 835 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,199 sort of here. I still thought he was old enough to to not have 836 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:14,199 a babysitter. Clearly, I asked that early on, like what age are 837 00:50:14,199 --> 00:50:15,880 you still having a babysitter? It's different because, like I have a sister's 838 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,559 four years old than me. So I feel like that kind of took the 839 00:50:19,679 --> 00:50:22,559 role babysitter. But I don't know. I maybe my parents were just immature, 840 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:27,360 didn't didn't protect their child enough. I just I don't know. I 841 00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,519 feel like that's pretty late home alone situation, home firm. He definitely seemed 842 00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:37,000 old enough to not need a babysitter for yeah. Yeah, And now we 843 00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:39,000 know he did not need a babysitter. We could avoided all this that they 844 00:50:39,039 --> 00:50:44,599 didn't get a babysitter. So he's got his fucking uh like his womb sounds. 845 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,239 I've never heard of that before. Is that actually a thing that like, 846 00:50:46,599 --> 00:50:51,000 oh right, the heartbeat thing under his Yeah, it's like a feetus 847 00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:54,679 mon ever known to be like a twelve year old thing. I did kind 848 00:50:54,679 --> 00:51:00,239 of like the two callbacks with the parents where they she talked about the whole 849 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,320 story about or he told about the sort about the mum holding him and she 850 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,639 does it anymore, and that's when stuff was wrong. And the last shot 851 00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,360 of the movie before the postcred scene is the mom holding him, so he 852 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:13,719 finally got that back and almost to go into the whole like how he's like, 853 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,400 you know, it's supposed to be just like impressiable teen and the like 854 00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:21,280 the what is it? The what's flowing with you? Yeah, when you're 855 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:27,559 hormones? Yeah, that going on, But like the old his dad has 856 00:51:27,679 --> 00:51:30,559 multiple lines of just being horny, like he's just talking about something like that. 857 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:35,079 So I kind of like even the babysitters like, oh you're looking good 858 00:51:35,079 --> 00:51:38,760 tonight. Yeah yeah, And I liked it because it's like his dad's not 859 00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,840 a killer, but maybe she was. His dad's also like almost inappropriate guys, 860 00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,000 just yeah, it doesn't get the message. So between that callback and 861 00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:47,400 the whole, hey, your mom's never gonna hold you again, And the 862 00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,639 last shawl of the movie is the mum holding him. I like that, 863 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,800 so it was I like to when the parents are coming back at the end 864 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,280 of the movie and I don't remember like everything that was said, but the 865 00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,079 mom says something like, I hope you're not talking about sex after that meal. 866 00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:04,440 I'm so bloated. Yeah, got me, Uh yeah, I only 867 00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,320 have three because of other ones. There wasn't too much exciting here. Original 868 00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:12,000 titled safe Neighborhood, so that could go in your point down that maybe if 869 00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:15,000 it wasn't a Christmas one, because safe neighbor that has nothing to do with 870 00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:19,760 Christmas, right, So safe neighborhood despite the American I just put this in 871 00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,039 because I was like, I don't know why, but despite the American setting, 872 00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:28,440 the sets were constructed with a four oh sorry, a one point four 873 00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:35,280 to four millimeter millionaires not millionaires millimeters high door handles of older Australian homes, 874 00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,320 which American writer and director Chris Peckover called a source of distraction and frustration. 875 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:45,320 I never once issued noticed the doors. I never once had an issue at 876 00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:49,639 the doors. But I guess for some reason the doors looking different he was 877 00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,280 not a fan of because the handles were higher up. Is that what he's 878 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:57,880 saying the sets were constructed with the one point four to four m door handle 879 00:52:58,159 --> 00:53:00,840 high door handles. Yes, the door hit did seem like when she was 880 00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,159 locking the door, it was like way up here and it didn't stand out 881 00:53:04,199 --> 00:53:07,079 to me a little bit. But I was somewhere in the US where there's 882 00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:08,760 locks like that on a house. You know, it's like, what is 883 00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,199 Chris saying He's been to every house in America and like, what are you 884 00:53:13,039 --> 00:53:16,360 the world? Now? You know why he was complaining because they constructed these 885 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:20,960 doors and he just saw the budget keep like the three million kept being used. 886 00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:28,599 No kind of grand door. Yeah. And then finally Slena Gomez was 887 00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,599 interested in playing the role of Ashley, but offto to focus on her music 888 00:53:30,679 --> 00:53:37,639 career and upcoming tour. So there was a good choice. Yes, I 889 00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:38,719 would have loved to see her in this movie. That would be so cool 890 00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,599 and I but the movie would have done better too, more people, more 891 00:53:42,639 --> 00:53:46,679 eyes would have been on the mods. Chris Win and Chris Win I got 892 00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,480 that money, You're like, no, we don't, we don't need just 893 00:53:49,639 --> 00:53:53,960 le film in America. Yeah, Dal And final thoughts, No, I 894 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,159 don't think I have many. This is a fun time. I don't think 895 00:53:57,199 --> 00:53:59,679 this will be a yearly rewatch. Well, definitely won't, but I can 896 00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:04,159 see myself watching this every once in a while. It's a good time, 897 00:54:04,199 --> 00:54:07,400 a nice This is what I like to see. When our patrons pick, 898 00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,679 like there's movies I've never heard of, they always seem to pick some good 899 00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:14,000 ones, even like you know, we just talked about Soccer Punch. It's 900 00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:16,519 like just a very interesting movie to pick. So once again, a good 901 00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,920 solid pick here. I'm glad, glad I watched this one. Yeah, 902 00:54:21,039 --> 00:54:22,559 no, I'm about samon it up too much to say. It was fun, 903 00:54:22,679 --> 00:54:28,679 good little submersion there. I enjoyed it. It's a few little cons 904 00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:30,960 here and there, but yeah, i'd probably go like a seven out of 905 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:34,400 ten somewhere around there. It's one I will watch again, but nothing probably 906 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,559 in the near future, but it'll be maybe a couple of years ago. 907 00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:39,960 Okay, Yeah, I could haven't revisited that in a bit. So yeah, 908 00:54:40,039 --> 00:54:45,800 that's where I am. Kirk uh. Yeah, I I'm not gonna 909 00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,719 say, you know, never say never, but I feel like I won't 910 00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,440 actually revisit this movie. Who knows, though, maybe I'll rewatch it and 911 00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:54,840 like it a little bit more. Now that I know what I'm getting myself 912 00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:59,360 into, but I'm going to distance it a little, a little from this 913 00:54:59,519 --> 00:55:04,880 viewing. I feel like, yeah, so I for ratings wise, I 914 00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,199 feel like I understand why people like this. It's just I definitely didn't love 915 00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:13,920 what was on screen for a good portion of it. Uh it's tough to 916 00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:17,159 like want to fail it because it is like it is at least well made, 917 00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,880 you know, like it looks good. I feel like the twists are 918 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:25,280 fun enough. But uh, yeah, so I think I'll just go I 919 00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,920 think I'll just go five out of ten, just just to just to give 920 00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,280 it a pass. But yeah, really really didn't vibe with the charisma of 921 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:37,119 the of the main the main fellow there. But yeah, I'll leave it. 922 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,760 I'll leave it there. It's pretty key too, you know. So 923 00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:45,880 yeah, so yeah, like I said at the beginning, the the the 924 00:55:45,039 --> 00:55:51,599 change over, just with that, after that initial very familiar set piece, 925 00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,199 really had me hooked. And just how things are expediting and getting more outrageous 926 00:55:55,400 --> 00:56:01,760 and flamboyantly like cock eye, just with how the things like murders are happening, 927 00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,079 and just shit was one side with it. I was just I was 928 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,760 loving it. And just not being able to keep up and predict with how 929 00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:13,800 things were going. Uh. Made it just a really really entertaining watch. 930 00:56:14,599 --> 00:56:17,079 And I'm not probably going to go and rewatch this every single year, but 931 00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:22,440 it's something I will definitely rewatch again. I would love to see a sequel 932 00:56:22,519 --> 00:56:25,440 come out of this, just because I'm curious, but I'm not expecting it 933 00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:30,760 to be anything great. I don't think they can really do wonders with how 934 00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,480 it ended. I mean, I mean I said that in like a predictability 935 00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:37,800 sense, because, like we already discussed, I feel like she'd just go 936 00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:43,519 to all the cops whatever. It's over for him. But yeah, it's 937 00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:47,559 over for him for him if I mean, if you've listened, then you 938 00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,440 didn't watch the movie. I mean, the plot twist has already been spoilt, 939 00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,159 so that's kind of shitty. But we warn them. They don't get 940 00:56:54,199 --> 00:56:59,360 the complain now, you know. Yeah, I'm gonna give it. I'm 941 00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,599 gonna give it a uh like an eight out of ten. I had a 942 00:57:01,639 --> 00:57:06,800 really really good time watching it, and uh yeah, good stuff. There 943 00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:08,599 you go, good stuff. So there you go, ladies. Gentm and 944 00:57:08,679 --> 00:57:13,440 thank you very much for tuning again. Thank you to April four RecA mending 945 00:57:13,519 --> 00:57:15,400 this and thinking all the patrons that put in your picks. You know, 946 00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:17,920 next year, if you're picked and get in there, there's always another Christmas 947 00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:22,599 and there's always another geek first Christmas retrospective. And we will be there unless 948 00:57:22,639 --> 00:57:25,119 a little kid comes and kills us. But until then you'll not be boring. 949 00:57:25,639 --> 00:57:30,440 Yeah hold on, I hope or someone that just listens, just the Christmas retress