Welcome to the Paranormal Project radio show. Journey with us through mystical realms to
a world of the unexplained. If you're ready, take a deep breath and
let curiosity be your guide. And now here are your hosts, spirit Medium
Scott Allen and Christina Bowen, the Green Witch of Tennessee. Hello, and
welcome back to the Paranormal Project. Thank you for watching tonight. I'm here
with my lovely co host, Christina Bowen, and I love your shirt.
By the way, it's very halloweeny, as you said, Halloween. Yeah,
I thought i'd break out, you know, October, so I got
to represent there you go. You know, it's never a dull moment here
at the Paranormal Project. It's a surprise from one minute to the next.
I have to tell you that our guest Jill Shelley, who was going to
be here tonight, is not feeling well. She's with the boy House.
She has the Haunted House, and I was all excited to talk to her
about her home. But she is going to come back on. We're going
to talk to her about coming back to the show. At the beginning of
the year, believe it or not, we have guests booked up right through
the end of January. We've got so many great people coming on. But
we're going to have a different show tonight because well because we have to and
we have to punt, and that's how that's how it is, and that's
I'm so glad I don't do the show alone because otherwise y'all will be sitting
listening to me talk. See you, what are you doing to me?
I just said y'all, y'all. I don't ever say y'all. Well,
get used to it, Scott. I am in East Tennessee. You know,
I know you, But y'all, you have all your teeth, so
I keep forgetting. I don't recognize that one Virginia. That's Virginia. There
you go, there you go for that one. You might, you might,
so listen. I thought it would be really interesting tonight. I have
been doing readings like like nobody's business. I don't know. Maybe it's October,
I don't know. But I'm exhausted. I've been sitting here doing readings
all day and you know, at the end of the day, my energy
kind of wanes. Robert Marshall says, West Virginia, there you go,
not Virginia. There it is. That's true, that's even closer. Yeah.
Yeah, So I wanted to just touch base on a couple of little
things about mediumship and then we can move on to other things. But you
know, I spent two weeks two weeks ago, I spent a week in
New Jersey with this really intensive medium ship mentorship kickoff with with Joseph Schiel.
He's a medium, spirit artist. The man is incredible and he's such a
nice guy, and he is pastor of the spirit Within the Journey Within Church,
which is part of the Spiritualist Union in the United Kingdom, and it's
right in New Jersey. Anyway, we had this kickoff, and it's really
about the real deal. You know. It's not about the showmanship, it's
not about all of that stuff. It's about really delivering good messages. And
here's the thing that I think it's important to talk about with anyone who is
looking for a reading, who is seeking out a medium. You are as
responsible for this reading as the medium. And people say, well, what
do you mean, what do you mean I'm just paying the bill right,
I want to, I want we can't reach through the veil and pull somebody
back. You know. I always say they have to be willing. I
can answer the call. But I can't make the call. All I can
do is pick up the phone. You know. I like that analogy.
Yeah, you know. I always tell people that the personality of the person
who's crossed over is really it's going to be consistent. So how they were
in life is how they're going to be after they've crossed. But you are
also important because it's a three way conversation. Right without you, They're not
going to talk to me. They don't know me. I'm only the telephone.
That's all it is. I'm the go between. They make the call
and you answer, and it just goes right through me. You know,
when you have a reading, if you have a headache, if I have
a headache, if you had a disagreement with someone, or if I'm in
a bad mood, or if I'm tired, or if you didn't sleep last
night, all of these things can make a difference. The vibration needs to
be up here for this to happen. So I've had people that sit there
at the reading and I have to say to them, I need to hear
your voice. I need you to say yes, no, whatever answer me
when you just sit there and go mm yes. You know. It's like
it's like if you've been to see a comedy show and it keep you the
best comedian in the world, right, But when he's talking on stage and
people just sit there and there's no reaction, the energy in the room tanks.
It's the same thing with mediumship. So if you're not into it,
if you're tired, you're just as responsible for that because that's going to affect
the reading. And I'm not saying you're doing anything wrong, but it's important
to kind of have this interaction to kind of keep the elevation up and the
energy up so that that's what spirit feeds on. And we can't do it
alone as mediums. It's just it's not magic, you know what I mean.
We're not warlocks, we're not wizards. I mean, you're a witch
and I'm a bitch. Other than that, you know, but seriously,
that's so good. Yeah, that's why we get along so good. But
I think that, you know, it doesn't really work that way. You
know, it doesn't work that we can say, don't worry about it,
you just sit there and I'm going to do my magic act. You know,
it's not like that. It's not a magician. It's it's really talking
to spirit and it's that energy that goes back and forth. So you have
to be an active participant in it. And the reason I say that is
this has happened to me a couple of times recently where I've had to tell
people I really need you to talk, I really need you to say something.
I need to hear your voice because that's going to you know, if
you imagine the voice like a ping pong ball, it goes back and forth,
back and forth, and then the energy starts to and build and build.
But at conversation, it's a conversation. Yeah, it's a conversation.
It's a conversation. So I just I think it's important for people to understand
what's really happening when we do a mediumship reading. It's subtle. When someone
contacts you and requests a reading with you, Yep, do you pick up
anything at that point? You? Do you ever get? No? I
was talking to a woman the other night on the phone and I did end
up reading her the next day. I had a spot I could stick her
in, which was a whole other weird thing to begin with. She called
me and said, hey, I'm in the area. I'm visiting. I
was hoping I could get a reading in person, and I thought, oh,
man, you know, I can squeeze in a thirty minute session.
I mean, that's all I had in between. I really didn't even make
an hour. Come to find out, she wasn't here. She was in
Sidona, Arizona, and she googled me in Sidona and found me somewhere online
because people find me all over the place. So so we ended up doing
a zoom session and then I found out she actually lives, you know,
maybe forty minutes for me. So she's coming back this way and as if
we can do it person later. But she had left here went there and
thought I was there. I don't know, but she added me and she
said, can are you picking up anything around me? Is there anything that
I said? Oh my god, no, I said, it doesn't work
that way. I have to still myself and quiet myself, and admittedly,
the you know, if I've been reading all day or if i'm you know
whatever, this kind of stuff I'm preparing for shows, I'm exhausted by the
end of the day. It rains your energy, it drains my energy.
You know, my husband used to not understand that I could come home tired
when I had literally sat on my butt all day and you know, he'd
been climbing in out of the truck and had a couple of house called fires.
I mean, it's just craziness. Physical exhaustion, that mental exhaustion.
People. It's it's very different, but it is. It's draining. It's
the energy work. It's the energy work. And I've been sitting on my
boat all day doing readings, and you know, we had a live show,
you know, a little bit ago with Robert Neil Marshall about the show
we're doing. So I'm not there's nothing exerting about this, but energy wise,
it can really really drain you. And so it's important for mediums to
know their limits. Number one, right, if you can't do three readings
in a day, don't do three readings in a day, you know.
I mean, it's just it's that simple. But you know, when you
have people that come in with expectations and nine percent of the readings go beautifully,
but then sometimes there's something that just goes awry and it could be the
it could be the medium. It does you know, and headaches happen,
and you know, they sit there and they think that you well, it's
like a show, you know, and it's not. It's a conversation.
And I think that's the piece that people miss. You know, people will
say to oh, you know, you talked to the dead. I really
don't. I talk to the living, talk to the living. They're all
alive, they're all up there, but they just don't have mouths and lips,
and you know they have to. They they send me their information differently.
You know, I get it telepathically. I get thoughts, I get
tastes, I get smells, I get emotions. I mean there's all these
different senses that kind of kick in. And you know, I always say,
it's like a cluster bomb, right. You might get a little like
five millimeter piece of something like whether it's an image of someone or whatever,
and that whole thing is like impacted with with emotion and thoughts and it's the
weirdest thing. But they're not going to come talk to me if you're off
or if I'm off. They're just they can't. It's not that they're not
taking a stand, they just they just can't. They rely on that energy
has to be way up here. We have to meet them. They have
to kind of come down and we come up energy wise, and that's where
we meet. Oh. I like that the way you describe that, and
with the work I do with heal energy healings, and say, if I
have a client come to me and I do like I said, it's a
combination of reiki with just energy when I'm scanning. But the same kind of
thing applies if they're closed down. If I ask them a direct question and
they just or they don't give me any kind of feedback. I'm going with
what I'm picking up and I'm being directed, but it is a conversation.
So when they just lay there and there's nothing, it makes my job a
lot harder. Yeah. Yeah, And do you think that when you do
reikie work, like if you do three or four in a day, that
it becomes less Like that's how mediumship is, right. So if I can't
do four readings in a row, I mean I might be able to do
two or in the morning and you know, a few in the evening or
something, but I can't do one after another after another. Do you find
that that sucks the energy out the same way? And now that it's there's
a couple. There's a difference with me when say, if it's like a
convention and it's many sessions, I kind of I know this sounds weird,
and you know I've told you I've been tested. I'm not crazy, but
I kind of feed off of the crowd energy and because everybody's excited to be
there and there's just all of this right hubbub and it's electric, and that
kind of thing ramps me up. So the many sessions that I do at
conventions, yes I'm still exhausted by the end of the day, but it's
like I've had a little extra backup battery feed me, and that makes it
different. But when I'm working just at home, I try to limit to
two to be honest, because it is so physically draining. And you know,
in my little studio where I do this, so I sit right here
and I do my readings when I'm doing by zoom, and then in the
other room I sit. It doesn't have the same energy as when we were
in Indiana together at the Bell Mansion. That place was hoppened. Honest to
god, the readings were incredible because the building had its own energy that just
kind of amplifies things, amplified it, you know, and so that also
makes a difference. So if you come in and you're like, Okay,
who's here, what do you got? Yeah, what do you You know?
Maybe not so much and so so you know, this is not to
berat anybody because people don't know. And that's really why I want to talk
about this. I want people to understand that energy work is tough. I
mean, it really is so so subtle, and it's it's not like you
can practice magic trick over and over and over. I got it perfect.
Now I'm gonna go and do it, and you can do it over and
over and over again. Everybody that walks in the door is different. They
have different loved ones, they have different energies. If they were private and
they weren't going to tell anybody anything about their life, guess what, that's
how it's going to be going to change. It's not going to change,
you know. If they I always say Italians give the best readings because they
don't stop talking. Yeah, that's true. They just get out there,
you know. I mean that's a generalization, but really and true and truth
to that. I have a girlfriend that's Sicilian you're right. You know,
I don't know what I would do if I were Italian and died and didn't
have my hands anymore. I don't. I don't know how they handle it
when they try to communicate, you know, I don't know how that works.
I actually I struggle with that. I have to sit on my hands
otherwise they're all over the place all the time. Are you Are you Italian?
You're not Italian? Are you? No? Actually, we used to
joke and say that my girlfriend that we had to be related, just the
craziness in the family and everything. And now I've got more Irish DNA than
anything, which that makes sense too, because you're a drunk. No,
I don't know. I don't know. On Tuesdays. On Tuesdays, hey,
we have a question. Nancy wants to know what kind of reiki did
you do? I know there's different different types. So I'm terrible with pronouncing
this. Oh yeah, that one the U s u I like you.
Yeah, I don't even know how to say it. It's like you to
something, Suey. I think I'm terrible with it. But that's the form
that I trained under and that I used. But once again, it's just
a piece of what I do. I did find it very very beneficial,
which with each attunement that I received as I was studying, when I worked
with someone, I could pick up even more. Each time it got better,
it got clearer. It it's like somebody turned the volume up. Yeah.
Yeah, that's all I need is a little more attunement to get myself
going. It was scary as l when it happened, and I didn't have
any attunements. But you know, I think I would think she does holy
fire, holy fire reiki is what she does. Yeah, you know,
Nanta, I'm not really sure of the difference is I actually need to look
into that and see what the differences are. Yeah, I don't know,
actually, And I think when I did reiki one it was she says it's
pronounced us suey us, So you know, that's the one that I did
when I studied, but I never went out to two and three because I
wasn't sure. And I'm going to be honest, it was during COVID and
it was all done remotely, and I'm not a big fan of it,
so I honestly, I know I might upset a few people, but I
don't believe that you can truly receive an attunement online. I had someone try
one time, and I was like, this is not gonna work. You're
not the person because I need to be connected. Because when I've had an
entunement in person, and your eyes are closed and you're very solemn and sitting
so you don't see everything's going on, But brother, do you feel it?
You do, and it makes a big difference. It's well, you
know, I wanted to learn distance reiki. I know some people are really
fabulous at it, and I do send, but it's not my It's not
where my strength lies. My strength lies when I've got someone right in front
of me. That's where I'm the best, right. I never pursued it.
I kind of think about maybe I should go back at some point,
but I don't honestly don't know where I'm going to fit it in. I
have to, I really, and that's the truth. I feel like I'm
just you know, this is a busy calendar. What's that You've got a
really busy calendar lately? I have so much going on, nothing's going to
happen. And I was just asked today if I would do another gallery with
someone in Kansas city. It would be a it would be a like a
remote gallery, you know what I mean, like a gallery. So we're
talking about that. We haven't booked anything. We're going to talk after the
first of the year. And I'm doing a Valentine show now that we haven't
set a location or anything yet. But I'm working with another medium, a
different one that I've been working with. So I've got all these people coming
together and we're going to be doing some of these shows and I love that.
But I need to retire from my regular full time job so I can
do this. I mean, And that's how it feels, you know.
Yeah, was crazy. That wouldn't be such a bad thing, would it.
Well, it would be for my creditors and hers and all this other
stuff. I think they prefer that I work as often as possible, but
you know, that's kind of how that works. But yeah, I mean,
my goal is is to be able to keep doing this. I love
doing what I do. I love and I'm starting to I'm starting to really
love doing multiple groups, not multiple groups, but groups of multiple people.
You know. It was funny because I was in Boston last week. I
did a it was a it was a a networking event for a group of
people that worked at this business. And I don't know how many were their
twenty twenty five people something like that, but we had such a good time
and the readings were really meaningful. I mean there were tears, there were
laughs. I mean, it was just and I think that's just kind of
where my heart is now. You know, I like doing the one on
ones, but I love doing these groups of people. And so, you
know, I got a bunch of stuff booked out, which is really good.
I always say, when you find that niche and what brings you joy
and makes you happy, you need to do more of that. Agree,
So definitely do more of that. No, I agree, And so so
that's what I'm doing. And you know, I'm going to be reading in
I'm going to be reading in Maine in two weeks at a convention at Parrifest
Maine, which I'm really excited about. I wish you could join us for
that. It's such a nice little para con not that little, but it's
really nice. And then I'm going to be coming to join you in We're
going to have to buy some boots San Antonio, Yeah, Texas. I
am so excited about live in Texas. Yeah, you're all week, right,
Scott, the Lone Star Para Con, the Lone Star Pharracon, Yeah,
Lone Star Para Con and Kling Brothers put that on everyday Paranormal. We're
bending at the convention and well we Solstice Sisters mm hmm. And then we've
got a little thing going on Sunday, so everybody that's in town and and
I still want to hang around. We're going to be at Beauregard Mansion,
which is it's on the historic battle grounds area, real near the Alamo,
which I'm excited to experience. But it's going to be from eleven to two.
We're doing a brunch and meet and great and the Kling Brothers are coming.
They are super cool to hang out with. And then afterwards, the
Solstice Sisters are going to be doing our healings and so Dana's gonna be doing
readings, I'll be doing scannings and and herbal consults, Kathy will be doing
reiki and shaman work, and we'll be doing some of which I'll just drop
it. Well, we'll talk about later when when everybody comes on our our
our special healing that we do all together we call it the triple Goddess.
Yeah, and then so we all work on the same person. It's it's
so cool to connect our energies and just just can connecting with them. It
amplifies everything that I feel and experience. So I personally would love to be
the person on the table to see what that's like. Happy to be a
guinea pig. Yeah, are you doing an investigation or no investigation. It's
going to be the brunch and then the vending stuff. Or yeah, it'll
be a brunch and then the healing sessions afterwards. We're not doing an investigation,
but people are going to be free to walk around and check everything out.
And like I said, Klean Brother is going to do a little walk
through and it's a very active building. From what I understand, it is
currently an airbnb that they've actually had people get up and leave in the night
because of the activity. So we're going to spend some nights there. What's
that We're gonna spend a couple of nights there, so we'll see what we
pick up an experience that should be really a good time. I feel like
there was a whole lot of fun. There was something I was going to
ask you about that. Now it's gone, because you know, I have
a brain, like a calendar comes and goes. The heck was it?
Something about it? Something about it. It's going to be going to feature
my t's at the brunch, so I'm kind of excited and stoked about that.
Nice. And I love your tea's, you know, Black Raven Trading
dot com, Black Rabon Trading dot com. I love your te's by the
way, They're really great. I think I'm gonna I'm working a few special
blends that I may do just for that event be nice. I like to
customize, how do you know, like what goes with what and how it
will years of doing it, lots of knowledge and just experience. I don't
mix my herbs that are for magical workings with those that I blend because okay,
not everything is meant to be ingested. I don't ever want to accidentally
have the wrong jar or anything along those lines. So I make sure that
everything, especially when I'm doing these and I take herbs because I do the
custom blending for people there and it's like kind of the topmost needed herbs is
what I usually travel with, and then occasionally spiritual just tell me I need
to grab a jar this, or I need to grab a jar that.
Oh, okay, throw it in. There's always that one person that needs
it. Yep, you know, the herbs and the oils, all of
that together. Yeah, I feel like I mean, because I feel like
that's you're really good at that. And the teas are great, and you
know I've tried them. They're they're fantastic. What is the magical side of
it? Like? What? Because I see you as a lot of like
healing and a lot of that kind of thing. But what is the magic
side? Well, part of when I blend, I mean, I have
to have the right energy in the house. The weather has to be right
for me. I've got to be the right state of mind, the right
state of my heart. I have a playlist of music that I keep going
and it's blasting as I'm working, and it's just fun. If the scene
from Practical Magic Midnight Marguerite's dancing around. I do all of that in the
kitchen. And that positive energy that I feel, and the love and the
excitement and the enthusiasm for what I'm doing. I infuse all of my workings
with that energy. I call upon the angels. I call upon God.
I put that love into it. That's my secret ingredient love. Yeah,
because a lot of people think, ooh, witchcraft. Oh you know,
it's not like that. It's not. It's not dark and heavy. Can
it be? Yeah? Can your local church be dark and heavy? Yeah?
It's what you make of it. And you have to remember that the
witchcraft that I practice, I'm connected to the earth. I'm connected to the
energies that the elements around me. And I love it and I want to
protect it. But I also know that it's been gifted to us to use.
And each plant and all of the elements are infused with their own properties,
spiritual and physical, and I use all of them together. I can't
think of a better use. Well, and I think it's great, you
know, because you mentioned God, and I know it's we're not you know.
Ah, is this right? I'm just putting that right across the bottom.
Let me just hide this for a second. You're saying that to the
blind lady. That's true, Okay. I just want to make sure I
get the I want to make sure it rolls across the bottom of the screen.
Black Raven Trading and we asked we could put your website on the box,
so I want to make sure we have that on the bottom case.
I'm actually updating the website this weekend. I've got a couple of things that
are going to be new going live. If Nancy orders anything from you,
she needs a little extra boost, just a little something, and then she's
kind of you know, I you know, I do the consults for people
as well. But I think I've told you and you've experienced it. Okay,
I can't see what's the question? Oh what what is the difference between
a green witch and a white white witch. That's a good question. A
green witch is going to primarily work with herbs, spices, I think,
growing things. A white witch is going to be working with energy primarily.
Now does that mean they can't use tools? No, And I think more
of us practice a true eclectic style than anything. But we we have leanings
one way or the other. And a white witch can be a green witch,
a green witch can practice white magic, which that's what I do.
I only practice now. I'm not a live love laugh wink wink, Dana.
That's a private joke with us. But I do only work with light
energy. I'm a light worker. Yeah, yeah, I hope that answers
your question, Nancy. It says, so the greenwich seems more earthy.
Exactly, We're more hippie. We're the ones that are gonna take our shoes
off. And you know, I want to run through the field. And
I mean I literally go barefoot all the time. I like to walk in
the snow, even barefoot. Now I can't do it for very long,
of course, but I like to connect to that. I like to feel
the energy of it. Is there anything that happens when a green witch or
a white witch eat a sandwich? Sorry, I'm gonna kill yes, and
this is my room and comes back you yeah right, it's like, oh
lord, yeah, you know, but I think it's fascinating and I think,
you know, I love that. And you know, you're not churchy.
I'm not real churchy either. I'm not, but we certainly have these
beliefs and and and I feel like that's a part of what you do is
this is this, you know this this it's all about goodness. It's all
about good you know what I mean, It's all about the good of all.
And so for those of the people who think which bad Ooh that's it,
it's really not. It's really not. It's not. And I respect
everyone's right to believe what they believe. And I'm sorry, I've got a
a love visitor. Is that your black catpropriate? How this is beings everybody?
Hey, guys, Christopher Brown. Christopher Brown is a medium from Maine.
I'm going to see him at Parapest, but he is the medium that's
working with me at the Salem Para Con when we do the gallery event at
San Uli State University. So good to see you, Chris, and looking
forward to working with you and seeing you soon. So, Chris Brown,
everybody that you do, Scot that I actually really love about you. You
like to work with other mediums, it's not a competition for you, and
you like to promote their work as well about you that I admire you.
I'm not jealous of any of this. I feel like there's no reason to
be jealous. I really like Chris. We are so totally opposite, polar
opposite in terms of the way that we approach things. And I just love
how, you know, the energy is just great when we're together. He's
just such a fun guy. Dana and I, I mean, I just
love Dana and we're so different, you know, when we're reading together.
But I love the way it works together. No, there's no I'll tell
you an interesting story when I was in When I was in New Jersey a
couple of weeks ago, and I was in the class with Joshiel. We
had an exercise where they peered us up into three people. Right, one
person got the reading, one person started the reading, and the second one
tuned in and tapped into the spirit and they were giving a joint reading between
the two of us to the one person. Now, how cool is that?
And I had never done that before, and I thought, well,
how the heck am I going to do that? I don't even know how
to do that. But when the intention is there, you know, because
it's all intention, right, the intention was there that this was going to
happen, and boom it happened. And this guy, I can't think of
his name, but the other medium and I were back and forth together reading
this woman and it was like he'd give something, I'd give something, and
she was like, oh yeah, yep, yep, yeah. I mean
it was like, oh my god, this is amazing. It's still amazing.
Well, I am still blown away by watching galleries. I mad respect
for anybody that can do it. I don't understand how y'all have that ability.
I just like to watch it, especially when it gets rapid fire.
It's it's insane. I don't understand the things experience. That's why, you
know, we talk about that thing called what do you call it? You're
always saying, like, when you don't feel like it's real, what is
the name of that? Oh, imposter syndrome syndrome? Yeah, you know,
that's that's a real thing, because sometimes it's so hard to believe that,
you can't believe you're doing it, and it's like there has to be
some other exploitation, like how is this happening? How is how am I
rattling off all these things? And she's like, oh, yeah, I
totally get it everything you just said, I totally get it. Like really,
I mean, you get used to that after a while, you know,
the impostor syndrome sets in. I think any of us that because I
even deal with that, Scott, and I'm not doing any kind of mediumship
work, right, how does manifest for you when, especially if someone is
presenting to me and they have all these multiple issues and I get super overwhelmed
and I'm like, what am I doing. I've got no business doing this.
I just need to make some tease and just go on with life.
But then when they come back to me, well, personal favorite is when
they just break down and start crying on the table and they have these emotional
releases, and I love that that's part of the healing and the things that
I'll pick up on. And they may not communicate with me on the table.
They wait until at the end and then tell me or they'll tell me
later on. You know the blend that you made for me, Keep that
recipe on file. It did the trick and they come back again and again
and again, and that makes me feel so good that the validation that you
actually did help somebody. Listen, I'm going to tell you. I'm sorry.
Yeah, I just wanted to. I just wanted to validate that because
I had this I don't know what it was. It was like cough.
I couldn't stop coughing. I had chest X race. Everything's clear. I
did COVID test after COVID test after COVID test. It was nothing. And
finally is that when we must have been when we were in Indiana and I
said, I think it was it. Yeah, it was Indiana or I
actually don't know where it was, to be honest with you, it was
one of the places I saw you. But it doesn't matter. I Ohio
was it could have been Ohio and and I was like, I can't stand
this, Like I just I don't know what it is. I've tried antibiotics
and z pas and I mean just nothing would go away. I took home
a couple of your tea's and a tincture to tinctures I think, and the
respiratory therapy or the yeah, the respiratory one. Long after that it was
gone. And especially the mint tea was my fan. I mean, I
love the flavor of the orange, but the mint tea was so relaxing at
night. I think it just kind of like kind of puts you, lulls
you into this sense. And that's that's the blended purpose of that is a
relaxation. But I can take those base notes and then add two. It's
like, correct me if I'm wrong. I believe I added mullin to your
blend maybe, which that helps clear the lungs. I believe it or not,
smoking it is the most effective way. That's that's how my great grandmother
did it. You know, you rolled it up and they smoked it and
it would clear up that golf. But I'm so glad that it worked for
you. It did, and you know so honestly when it comes to this,
I mean, if anybody's looking, don't be bashful. It's not.
It's not you know, old wide stuff. I mean, this stuff is
is. You know, it really works. I mean it's good stuff,
and it tastes good. I mean really, it was delicious, absolutely delicious.
I love the orange spice. Thank you. I've got a good putting
together, I just haven't gotten it out to you yet. Well, I'll
be seeing you in January. Don't rush. No, I don't think I'm
going to see you before then, though, I don't think we've got anything
planned before then, but we'll see you, Jamie. We've got a lot
of stuff going on in the works though, Yeah we do, and we
may even be and no details because I don't really have a lot of details,
but we're talking about doing a live investigation together on the show. I
talked with our producer at kg R and he said, yeah, let me
know, keep me informed, let me know the date. Lawrence Milano was
on our show last year, and he is he's got the channel Mondo Mondo
Docs m O n d O Docs. I don't even know what that stands
for, I to remember, but that's his thing. Is he does these
investigations and films and and we're going to do a live with him and his
team, and it's going to be broadcast right here on kg R A and
kind of excited fun, you know, so you ask about how Apollo works.
That'll be cool. They'll actually get to see it, yeah, because
they'll get to watch him, you know. Protect it's so funny to see
how he just stops and then you know it's like he senses it. I'm
not going in there, you know he does well. Yeah, because we
have, we've investigated together. See, you've gotten to see how it is.
I do like your style, your investigation style. And you're so even
keeled. You don't get crazy up, you don't get down, You're just
so smooth going the whole time. Well, I'm not saying I don't get
creeped out. I mean that was that was that was a creepy place we
were in the asylum. What was the name of it, don't Yeah,
you know it's creepy place. I mean, there's no question about it.
Especially that basement is kind of like wild and the attic is kind of creepy
too, to be honest too. But but you know, I'm okay when
I'm with other people and I you know, the end, it just keeps
everything kind of even for me. I don't type things up by because I
feel things, you know what I mean. So if I'm not really feeling
tons of crazy stuff, I don't get worked up over it. Really,
you know, I just enjoy it. I just enjoy seeing what's out there
and and it's validation for what I do. Yeah, Like I talked to
them, but here they are on a recorder. I mean, holy Christmas.
You know, as an investigator, I know you get questions, and
as a medium even more so. I've had people that have known me for
years and years and years, and you know, known me in my daytime
life so to speak, you know, and then they find out carrying a
broom it means you're, well, you know, I came out of the
broom closet. A lot of people were surprised, but no, I know,
I know you tried to drive the cleaner, but the plug kept pulling
out of the wall. But you know, they start asking questions and they'll
say, do you really believe in this stuff? And oh yeah, I've
had way too many experiences personal, public, private to say it's not real.
Do I understand it all? Not even a little bit. I don't
pretend to. But you have to keep an open mind going into this field.
And it's a lot we don't get. I mean, you know there's
a lot. What's your take on the words paranormal expert. I never really
thought about it, but you know, my first gut feeling is who is
I mean, that's my feeling is you know there are people who are maybe
more knowledgeable in this terminology and the equipment and all this other stuff. Yeah,
but none of us know. I mean we do this. I do
mediumship, and I don't know. I don't. People will say, well,
where are they? I have no idea because they don't show me that
I don't know how I do what I do. And it's it's I think
we all have our own journey to take, so it's you know, we'll
find out when we get there ourselves. But same thing with the paranormal stuff.
I don't know why they come through the way I have theories on some
things, but none of it's fact. And it's the actual main paranormal investigator.
I mean it's it's research, constantly researching. I personally like old school
techniques. Remember do you remember powder traps? What is it powder traps?
Well flower or baby powder? I mean I haven't used it. I've never
done that. It's seeing handprints or footprints just appear out of nowhere and stuff
like that. I still get a tangle and a thrill. And yes,
I am of the school that you know, you got an intelligent response.
You you got the the knocking in response to what you asked them to do.
I get excited and then what do I do? Can you do it
again? Do it again? That prove it? And when you get that
communication going, it's it's amazing. There's what we feeling like it in the
world. There really isn't and you get it and you want just a little
Okay, we got you to tell us something, you know, but that's
not enough. Tell us some more, tell us some more. You know,
what else can you share with us? It's like the EVPs and it's
it's but how does it happen? And you know when I was at Madison
Seminary and we got that. It felt like a It felt really like a
like a like a tape, you know. I was listening to We Have
It. I'll play for you sometime. You can hear people in the background
chatting as if they're in the asylum, and somebody saying, okay, Fred,
go make your bed all right, And I got lots of mouths to
feed here. It's like you're talking, I mean, and they're just talking
as if they're just existing, like we're existing, but they're not there.
Now, how does that energy just keep going around and around? I don't
know. I don't feel like they were interacting with us. I don't feel
like it was intelligent in that way. But but man, it's it's like
it's unbelievable bumps thinking about it. It's just unbelievable how that happens. And
then sometimes it's intelligent. Madison Seminary, I mean, you and I have
got to go there and that that would be a place I'd love to go
and do a live stream. Holy Christmas, it's unbelievable. We were in
this room, there's a dining room, and we asked, spirit, are
you a are you a? It was back from the Civil War time.
It was are you a Confederate or a Union soldier? And the voice came
back and said a Confederate. Now, come on, you know what I
mean. That's not an accident, you know, no a question. It's
like, wow, I get so excited when you get that kind of communication
going. And it's not just you know yes no. I like dowsing rods,
and I get good connections and responses to dowsing rods, but I like
it when spirit boxes go off and it's validating what I'm picking up on dowsing
rods and a medium maybe picking up Apollo's hitting. It's all that cross validation
that I absolutely love. I think you and I should do a show together
because I love this chat back and forth as banter. You know, it's
nice when we have guests, but it's also nice when we can just sit
and talk because I don't know how to shut up. People will probably that's
why we're always on the phone for an hour. Fuck, don't name me,
but you know, I would love to do a show on evidence when
we bring evidence on whether it's audio or visual or whatever. If we've got
photos, we've got all kinds of things. I think that'd be a fun
show. I've got some cool pieces. I think that would be really fun
to do, and and you know, we can put it right up on
the screen. I think it'd be great. I think some really cool video
and audio as well. Some that was even caught on a Facebook Live and
there may have been twenty people in the room, so the whole internet got
to see it happen. That's just awesome too. How you'll like, I've
had it where I'm recording trying to get an EVP as an example, on
or I've got a spirit box going and I'm recording the spirit box. Then
I have a video camera and I'm recording the session, and it only picks
up on the video camera, won't pick out, didn't pick up the on
the on the audio recorder. How is that? Once again, research we
don't understand, We don't know. I have my own theories and beliefs.
I believe it's all energy and that's how they're able to manipulate energetic devices.
But once again, it's just a theory. So how do you think mediumship
on a paranormal investigation? I think it's actually vital. I have every team
I've been involved with except one many years ago had a medium on the team.
And does it make the big public ones like a Randolph County or something
like that more fun and interesting? Of course it does. On residential cases,
it can be so vital. Not only do they have the ability to
communicate and find out if that is Uncle Joe. Yeah, but they're going
to pick up usually, it's been my experience, they're going to pick up
things that are going on with the family or the residents of the home as
well that a lot of times can explain either a piece of it or help
us understand or even help poise in the right direction down how to help this
family. So yeah, I think it's a valuable tool. I think some
people feel that way and other people feel as though it has no place,
And you know, that's just an opinion. You know, It's funny because
you know, I was I didn't did an event last fall with Jason Hawes,
and heck of a nice guy and you know his kids, and yeah,
he's great, he's great. But we were we were standing there together
and I was, I was at breakfast downstairs and we were staying in the
same hotel, and he came down and we could talking, and he says,
you know, I really don't buy the whole mediumship thing, like,
well, okay, then that's great, good luck to you, you know,
but that's the mindset, and you know, no harm, no foul.
I think it's great. You know, that's just his thing. He's
very factual in terms of what he gets, you know, totally get it.
There's a lot of people out there like that. You know. That's
the school of thought in the theory that I had beginning this way way way
way back. I always go in and immediately looking for every possible way to
debunk what's going on. And but the introduction of investigating with a medium was
just a game changer. Yeah, complete game changer. You know. It's
like you've been driving a pento and it may be great for those of you
who know what a pento is, and then suddenly you get the keys to
a Ferrari. Wow, things are completely different straight out of the gate,
and you're going to get there a whole lot faster too, all right.
So I just have to say, we are just about at the end of
our time. Can you believe this? Oh my god, we just do
that. So I want to say a couple of things because I'm loving talking
with you and I'm going to tell you to hang on afterwards so we can
continue our conversation. But I am going to be on andrea Parents show,
a World Awakening Friday night at ten pm for whoever is looking for a good
time. I'm going to be there with my friend Robert Neil Marshall. We
just did a live together. Robert and I are going to be on stage.
It is not a gallery. It is a piece of theater all about
near death experiences, past lives, the opening to mediumship, ghosts, you
name it. But it's all live on stage and it's an interactive play with
the audience. We break that fourth wall and talk. So we're going on
Andrea's show and we're gonna be talking about that Friday night. That's right here
on KGRA and wherever you stream this you'll probably be able to find it on
there as well, So look out for that Friday night at ten pm.
Also, we are providence of the Hardest Name of the show and that is
going to be November two at seven pm at the Alley Theater in Middleborough.
Robert Neil Marshall is a playwright. He's written shows that have opened in London
and Broadway. He's been on the House of Cards. The guy's the real
deal and he's not some local yokl he's the fact that he's working with me
is like, you've got to be kidding me. I feel like slap myself,
see if it's real. But I think that's going to be a really
great show. And is there anything you want to share that's coming up next
week? We're going to have to both bruth Is Booth brothers. I don't
know if they're all going to be here, Bruth but been doing research,
that's what it's called watching their movies, right, Yeah, I've been.
I have been rewatching even some of them. I'm super excited that they're coming
on the show. And then of course I mentioned Solstice Sisters are going to
be in a Texas in January. I don't know, Oh, they're coming
on. They're coming on soon, like the end of October, November something
like that. So we'll get the dates back out there. We'll be talking
all about that thing that you guys do, the Triple Goddess Goddess And I
got to tell you when we're in Texas together, I want to take you
out to a bar, because I want to what happens when you bring a
medium, a witch, and a healer walk into a bar. I want
to see what happens when you do that. Yeah, that's which you are
a medium and with the healer and like three of the best people I know.
I just love you guys. Honestly, it's going to be It's going
to be such a great time. I can't wait. You know, that
is going to be a lot of fun saying it. So when you said
it, I was like, well, yeah, yeah, I got rid
of my cowboy boots, so I'll have to get another pair when I get
out there. Oh, new shoes, and of course a hat. I
mean, you can't go to Texas without a hat. I'm gonna get my
painted jeans, ten gallon hat and a pair of cowboy boots and I'll be
all set there you go. So I just everyone for tuning in and being
here with us today. We've had a nice little group and I'm just so
happy to be part of this and happy to have you here. It is
such a joy to do this show with you, and we will be back
next week with the Booth Brothers are the masters of the of just horror.
You know, as we said, Grim Fairy scared everybody else, they scared
all of us. Thank you for being here tonight. We'll see you next
week right here in the Paranormal Project. Good night, everybody. Thanks Christina.
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