1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:06,599 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best in paranormal talk radio 2 00:00:06,799 --> 00:00:13,240 in the UK and around the world. This interview a Felice di Martino's near 3 00:00:13,279 --> 00:00:18,640 death experience is one of the best examples of a black light experience I have 4 00:00:19,039 --> 00:00:25,359 encountered. With extraordinary clarity. She describes what it's like to be in that 5 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:30,960 loving place and come out to meet a being of light. Welcome to the 6 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:37,399 Afterlife Files, where we investigate near death experiences, share death experiences and how 7 00:00:37,439 --> 00:00:42,280 they affect you. Unlike podcasts that are just stories, we will give you 8 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,159 a heads up on what to look for in our conversation, and then after 9 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,399 the interviews stick around. We'll help you make sense of those accounts so you 10 00:00:50,439 --> 00:00:55,200 can incorporate the insights into your life. I think you'll find that once having 11 00:00:55,200 --> 00:01:00,280 your most profound questions answered, living life in the physical is with more peace 12 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:17,519 and joy. There are six things I'd like you to watch for during this 13 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:23,840 interview. First, notice how the universe strengthens Felice's resiliency before subjecting her to 14 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:30,480 an NDE. Second, at several points, Felice experiences by location, the 15 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:37,280 ability for her consciousness to be in two places at once. Third, even 16 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:42,519 though it was a horrific accident, she was assured by the voice that all 17 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:48,280 is truly well. Fourth, how that voice has stayed with her in different 18 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:55,000 forms since the accident. Fifth, the gifts from the being of light, 19 00:01:55,640 --> 00:02:00,599 and six a major learning for her is how to stop being small and live 20 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:06,920 big. And I don't mean personality big, but big in the sense of 21 00:02:06,959 --> 00:02:13,280 being in alignment with her life's path. Lastly, be sure to stick around 22 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:19,080 after the interview because I'll detail the elements of her black light experience, one 23 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:25,280 of the most elaborated and complete I've ever run across. With all that I 24 00:02:25,319 --> 00:02:38,800 know, you can't wait to hear our interview with Felice di Martino. Welcome 25 00:02:38,879 --> 00:02:44,319 Felice Boy. Are we glad that you're here today? Thank you? Like 26 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:50,759 guys, you have such an interesting story, So why don't we just start 27 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:55,039 with that? So what what led up to it? And then dive in. 28 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:02,599 So a few years before the accident, I was in a period of 29 00:03:02,719 --> 00:03:07,520 my life I call resiliency boot camp, and a lot of things happened in 30 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:14,120 a very short period of time. My then partner had an affair, so 31 00:03:14,159 --> 00:03:20,719 I was moving through infidelity. My second daughter left to go to college. 32 00:03:20,759 --> 00:03:27,240 So I became an empty nester. I fell skiing. And this has to 33 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,680 do with identity, right, like my was stripped aways a partner as a 34 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:36,240 mom. That changed. I was an avid ski or a cyclist. And 35 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:45,840 I had a surgery. My house had a fire. Then oh yeah, 36 00:03:45,919 --> 00:03:49,080 and then as if that wasn't enough, Oh, before the fire, there 37 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,840 was a theft, a major theft of all my jewelry that I had that 38 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:59,520 I had owned and family heirlooms. Then came the fire. Then once the 39 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:04,960 top floor was gutted and renovated, the bottom how to flood. So it 40 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:10,520 was a series of events. Needless to say, I took a leave of 41 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:15,039 absence from work. Yeah, this is like this is biblical proportions kind of 42 00:04:15,039 --> 00:04:21,680 step where they're locusts and you think, wow, yeah, And and I 43 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:27,639 took a leave of absence from work too. You know, I was like, 44 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:33,279 really, another thing and another thing, And I stopped saying this could 45 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:38,160 be worse because I felt like I was broadcasting that and I didn't want to 46 00:04:38,199 --> 00:04:44,040 invite worse happen. Oh really, here you go. So so that all 47 00:04:44,079 --> 00:04:50,279 happened in a period of about fifteen to eighteen months, and just as I 48 00:04:50,319 --> 00:04:58,560 got my sense of self back, I returned to work. I had done 49 00:04:58,639 --> 00:05:02,040 a lot of different kind of therapies and modalities. You know, I was 50 00:05:02,079 --> 00:05:09,800 like in just navigating the past eighteen months. And I was at work one 51 00:05:09,879 --> 00:05:12,959 day. I was a teacher in a monastery school, and I was at 52 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:21,959 work. And on December second of twenty fifteen, I left work to walk 53 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:27,160 to my car, which was parked off of campus at the school near the 54 00:05:27,199 --> 00:05:34,000 school, and I was distracted by a conversation I had had engaging with someone 55 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:39,079 that I knew I shouldn't be engaging with. And I didn't listen to that 56 00:05:39,199 --> 00:05:43,600 inner voice, and I was put my phone away, and I said, 57 00:05:43,639 --> 00:05:46,480 you know what, I'm just going to do what's good for me. I've 58 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:53,319 learned all of this up to this point. And I got to the corner. 59 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:58,800 The light turned read I waited for the right of way to cross, 60 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:08,120 and I proceeded to cross the street, and about three quarters of the way, 61 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:15,560 as I was across the street, a big pickup truck came up from 62 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,519 behind me and made a left hand turn. It turns out she was trying 63 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:25,040 to get ahead of the oncoming car, like make a left hand turn before 64 00:06:25,079 --> 00:06:32,959 that car approached, and she made a left hand turn and hit me and 65 00:06:33,639 --> 00:06:40,279 struck the right side of my brody and propelled me thirty feet and in the 66 00:06:40,319 --> 00:06:46,319 air. And it turns out two and a half car lance from the crosswalk, 67 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:56,279 So that's what happened in that situation, and keep going, this is 68 00:06:56,319 --> 00:07:06,439 great. So she hit me, and I have this vague remembrance of whipping 69 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:12,240 my head around to the right, you know, in reaction, although in 70 00:07:12,279 --> 00:07:18,800 the moment it seemed like time had stopped and it was like in frames almost 71 00:07:18,839 --> 00:07:25,279 of this slow motion, and there was a brief moment of eye contact, 72 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,079 and then I was above my body, and I was above my body, 73 00:07:30,439 --> 00:07:35,839 and I was looking down at the scene as if with a bird's eye view, 74 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:43,800 and there was like a spotlight almost that was focused on what was happening 75 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:48,800 below, even though in my periphery there was a sense of expansion, it 76 00:07:48,839 --> 00:07:55,040 was unlimited. And I was looking down and there was a type of assessing 77 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:59,920 that was going on of my body laying in the road, and it looked 78 00:08:00,319 --> 00:08:07,240 like a chop drawing. And I remember here first I was I was a 79 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,519 little like jolted, right, I was a little disoriented, yet I wasn't, 80 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:15,439 you know, to give words to the feeling that I felt when I 81 00:08:15,519 --> 00:08:24,079 was out looking down. It was more like this, this like whoa adopting 82 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:31,039 and adjusting, And and then I had this sense of assessment. And I 83 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:39,480 heard the woman who hit me say that she'd call nine one one, And 84 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:50,200 I saw with this sense of vision that's other than how we perceived seeing the 85 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,840 man direct There was a man. There were three people. There was a 86 00:08:52,879 --> 00:09:00,159 man that directed one of the other woman to go to the cross street that 87 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,399 the woman had just came from to direct the cars. And so I was 88 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:09,919 seeing this in a multi dimensional like I had. I was able to see 89 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:22,360 and hear and feel the panic in a very detached kind of a way, 90 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:28,480 with sense with amplified senses and senses other than my eyes and ears, which 91 00:09:28,519 --> 00:09:35,000 was impossible because I was lying on the road looking to the left, and 92 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,480 in assessing it looked like my body my body was in one piece. And 93 00:09:41,519 --> 00:09:46,519 there was a wondering of if I would be able to go back to it, 94 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:54,840 and I had a sense that I would be able to. There was 95 00:09:54,879 --> 00:09:58,840 a sense that it wasn't a knowing, there was a sense that it was 96 00:10:00,159 --> 00:10:07,440 I could go back, and the next thing that happened is I was further 97 00:10:07,799 --> 00:10:16,200 up above and it turned into complete blackness. And in the blackness, it 98 00:10:16,279 --> 00:10:24,879 felt like I was in a cocoon, almost floating, and it was calm, 99 00:10:24,919 --> 00:10:33,879 it was peaceful, it was nurturing, it was warm, and out 100 00:10:33,919 --> 00:10:41,679 of the periphery, I sensed that there were other beings, other people actually 101 00:10:41,039 --> 00:10:46,799 floating in their own cocoons, although I couldn't quite see it. I could 102 00:10:46,799 --> 00:10:52,200 barely make that out with my peripheral vision. And it was like a holding 103 00:10:52,279 --> 00:10:58,240 places of sorts. And it was blackness, but not like have like scary 104 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:07,960 blackness. It was blackness that felt illuminated almost, if I can again, 105 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:16,480 I'm trying to give worse to this as I I practice giving words to something 106 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,279 that's so hard to give words to. So there was this blackness that expanded 107 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:28,200 and far off, as far off as and as far off as could be, 108 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:35,279 and even further. And in that state of being, it was pure 109 00:11:37,639 --> 00:11:48,120 presence in a now moment. It was like all of time collapsed and expanded 110 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:56,320 at the same time, and it was pure nothingness and pure everythingness almost, 111 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:05,399 but more of a sense of like this baciousness in a now moment, and 112 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:11,200 I was in that place and it just was like there was no attachment, 113 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:18,159 There was no wanting, there was no yearning, There was just being. 114 00:12:20,519 --> 00:12:31,399 And out of that came a wondering. And we would attribute the word thought, 115 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:41,000 but it was like it was like energy that formed into a into a 116 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:48,879 curiosity or into a wondering of mhmm, you know where where am I? 117 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,960 Is there more? And immediately or not not even is there more? Is 118 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:56,840 there? Something else? Is there? Is this? It? Is there 119 00:12:56,919 --> 00:13:03,720 something else? And as soon as those again we like those that thought form 120 00:13:03,799 --> 00:13:07,919 made up of energy that was really like this emergence of this wondering came, 121 00:13:09,639 --> 00:13:16,440 I was in another place entirely in response to that wondering and it was instant 122 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:22,320 and there was and I don't know whether I went there or whether it came 123 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:28,799 to me or whether I emerged. There was an opening up of this pure 124 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:43,960 white like crystalline clear, the purest of purest of purest white light. I 125 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:48,039 want to say that was also clear at the same time. And there this 126 00:13:48,159 --> 00:13:54,200 was coming from a presence that was other than my own that I knew was 127 00:13:54,279 --> 00:14:00,720 there for me to communicate with me and with the part of me that was 128 00:14:00,759 --> 00:14:09,320 eternal and in communion with this light, with this presence. It was as 129 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:16,759 if it was it was as if you put your head to another person's forehead 130 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:24,279 and you can know and understand and see everything about who they are in totality 131 00:14:24,879 --> 00:14:30,200 and everything about their soul's journey. It was like that, And I was 132 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:37,679 able to see and know and understand with senses that we don't have names for, 133 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:46,960 with senses beyond these senses, these multidimensional senses, all in union as 134 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:52,120 one thing. They weren't like separate senses. It just all worked together to 135 00:14:52,320 --> 00:15:01,240 know and understand everything that was happening on earth about my life at that moment 136 00:15:01,399 --> 00:15:09,559 in time. And I was able to see and understand and know kind of 137 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,960 how I had gotten to that this point, or something about my soul's imprint 138 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:20,600 in in in having the experiences that I was having, And at some point 139 00:15:20,759 --> 00:15:28,639 a lot of information went through and at some point there was a sense of 140 00:15:28,919 --> 00:15:37,440 urgency to get back to my body. And the urgency wasn't it wasn't like 141 00:15:39,159 --> 00:15:45,519 mental thinking. It was like energy that that kind of came up that kind 142 00:15:45,559 --> 00:15:50,879 of culminated in this sense of going back of it was time to go back 143 00:15:52,360 --> 00:16:02,440 and I remember assuring this presence that was in communion with the part of me 144 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:07,879 that it was communicating with, that I would remember everything that was shared. 145 00:16:08,759 --> 00:16:14,759 And I also assured myself in that state that I would remember everything that was 146 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:23,679 shared. And at some point when I asked who this presence was, and 147 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:33,120 it says, I am you. I am you, And I heard before 148 00:16:33,159 --> 00:16:37,519 I came back, I heard from this presence other than my own, that 149 00:16:37,639 --> 00:16:45,919 was in communion with that place in me. When you go back, it's 150 00:16:47,039 --> 00:16:53,320 time to live big. It's time to live big. And I came back 151 00:16:53,720 --> 00:17:00,200 into my body, but on the way it felt like I was coming down 152 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:04,279 and it started to get more dense and more dense and more dense, and 153 00:17:06,039 --> 00:17:08,839 I was about I don't know, six inches to a foot outside of my 154 00:17:10,039 --> 00:17:14,440 body, and I could feel the expansion, and I could also feel it 155 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:21,079 was like being sucked into a vacuum. It was like a genie being squeezed 156 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:27,240 into a bottle, even though I was still outside of myself, and I 157 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:37,039 remember hearing yelping sounds and screaming sounds from the body that was also identified as 158 00:17:37,079 --> 00:17:41,319 me from me, yet I didn't feel anything, and I remember in my 159 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:48,880 consciousness knowing and saying, oh, that's coming from my breathing form, like 160 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:57,680 that's coming from me. And I was in the ambulance and I saw what 161 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:03,880 was going on while I was in it, like I could see clearly. 162 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:08,839 There was someone standing at my head. There was a man stand not standing, 163 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:14,279 sitting at my head in the ambulance, and there was another gentleman aside, 164 00:18:14,279 --> 00:18:18,200 and he was squeezing my head. My head had lots of blood coming 165 00:18:18,599 --> 00:18:22,599 from it, and they didn't know where the blood was coming from. And 166 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:27,960 he was standing at my head. And I saw it, and I and 167 00:18:29,079 --> 00:18:33,839 I yet I was in it too, and I remember hearing the sirens and 168 00:18:34,039 --> 00:18:40,240 saying, oh, saying in my consciousness, oh, those sirens are for 169 00:18:40,319 --> 00:18:45,519 me, just like that. And I was in and out, and I 170 00:18:45,599 --> 00:18:52,759 remember I was watching and also participating, like they were asking me questions, 171 00:18:52,839 --> 00:19:00,759 and I was. I saw my mouth moving and saying something. Yet I 172 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,759 was in both places. I was, I was in. I was in 173 00:19:03,799 --> 00:19:11,599 all of it. And when I came fully well more fully too, I 174 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:18,279 was being taken out of the ambulance into the trauma unit of a hospital and 175 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:22,960 they took me to a different hospital that had a level one trauma unit and 176 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:30,440 it was organized chaos and it was yeah. And also one other thing that 177 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:34,440 I remember, and it's been really helpful. I didn't know what this was 178 00:19:34,519 --> 00:19:40,519 called. I didn't know anything about it until I watched one of your podcasts 179 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:48,880 was yeah, thank you. When I was out of my body, I 180 00:19:48,920 --> 00:20:00,400 saw myself. I saw someone like up at my face asking me questions or 181 00:20:00,839 --> 00:20:04,240 or getting me to respond. They wanted to know if I were responsive, 182 00:20:04,279 --> 00:20:10,759 and I saw my mouth moving and I remember hearing what I was saying. 183 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:15,920 Yet I was watching it all at the same time, so I never really 184 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:22,200 knew about by location until I mean, I knew that I was excuse me 185 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:26,440 one part. I was purely that and I was completely motionless, and I 186 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,279 didn't know that I was bleeding out from my pelvis, or that my sacrum 187 00:20:30,319 --> 00:20:34,599 was fractured, or that there was internal bleeding like I you know, that 188 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:40,039 my head was bleeding. I had no idea from from the vantage point I 189 00:20:40,079 --> 00:20:44,880 was at. I couldn't. I didn't know that. I just saw myself 190 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:52,599 as a human in one piece. So that's what happened. Oh, dear 191 00:20:55,039 --> 00:21:00,880 and wonderful and all of that at the same time. Yeah, Yeah, 192 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,000 I mean, there are other things that were imparted and other things that were 193 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:12,880 said. I heard all is truly well, and that continued to come. 194 00:21:14,039 --> 00:21:19,160 I heard that after I got back, like there was still this connection of 195 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:25,599 kind of being in a whole nother frequency, a whole other vibration. And 196 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,640 so you're talking about when when you were back, like in the hospital, 197 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,480 you were in your physical body, but you were still connected and heard yea 198 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:44,079 and heard the voice the voice I the voice I continued to hear and yeah, 199 00:21:44,599 --> 00:21:49,920 yeah, And how long did you continue to hear that voice? Well, 200 00:21:52,240 --> 00:22:04,799 Scott's it was really really, really really strong for for a good year 201 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:10,640 or so after the incident, you know. I mean I had a broken 202 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,240 pelvis, I had a broken fractured sacrum. I had staples in my head, 203 00:22:14,319 --> 00:22:17,119 I had an internal bleeding of my organs, I had swelling. There 204 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:22,480 was a lot going on physically, so I had a lot of time and 205 00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:27,720 I had a traumatic brain injury, and there was a lot of time to 206 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:37,039 sit and just be. I mean I couldn't really do anything else right, 207 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:42,279 and I mean I could, I was Yeah. So so I would say 208 00:22:42,279 --> 00:22:45,599 about a year, a year and a half, two years, and I 209 00:22:45,799 --> 00:22:49,000 still like there there, I'm able to go in and attune to and tap 210 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:56,319 in and open up to connect in with that presence. Yeah, it hasn't 211 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:03,599 left. I mean it's yeah, and I'm assuming that it told you things 212 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:10,160 other than all as well. Yes, it when you know, there's a 213 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:15,519 lot in terms of understanding. There was an understanding in that when when everything 214 00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:25,160 was being downloaded or upload or transmitted, there was an understanding of what is 215 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:33,000 it that keeps us not coming from that truest, most highest place that I 216 00:23:33,039 --> 00:23:37,839 am presence, that spark of divinity inside all of us? So why is 217 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:44,599 it that we don't live big? So I was shown this in multiple ways, 218 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,160 all working together. What keeps us from from living big and playing small? 219 00:23:48,519 --> 00:23:56,839 What role does the ego have? What role does compassion and love and 220 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:04,640 faith and acceptance and surrender and gratitude and boundaries have? So all of that 221 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:10,000 was a part of it. There was a lot in there, and it 222 00:24:10,039 --> 00:24:14,240 was like at this time, there's no time there, right, So it 223 00:24:14,319 --> 00:24:25,119 was like there's so much information contained within whatever human time would attribute to it. 224 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:29,599 There was like all this information is just like that and you just know 225 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:34,000 it. Does that make sense? Oh? Yeah, yeah, we call 226 00:24:34,079 --> 00:24:41,079 that gestalt that it's just that you just or Bob Monroe used to talk about 227 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:48,640 thought balls, it's like boom, you get the whole concept just that quick, 228 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,000 right, Yeah. And you know, for me, it was like, 229 00:24:52,079 --> 00:24:56,079 it's kind of like when you have an Aha moment times a trillion, 230 00:24:56,559 --> 00:25:00,640 right, because you understand it and you know it based on who the essence 231 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:07,359 of who you truly are, which is this spiritual this soul and this expression 232 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,000 of the Divine through us, right, And you know, as interesting, 233 00:25:11,519 --> 00:25:18,440 I learned a lot of times people come back like we had talked before this 234 00:25:18,599 --> 00:25:25,240 and don't have boundaries, whereas I learned about having boundaries because I didn't before. 235 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,240 You know, I think I just saw the divine and everyone. I 236 00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:32,839 saw the light in everyone. Despite going through all this stuff, I was 237 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,319 like, oh, related to people. You know, ram Das has a 238 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:42,839 saying that we are conditioned to treat people as who they're being, not as 239 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:51,960 the essence of who they truly are. And I feel for some people and 240 00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:55,880 I was one of them. I was treating people as the essence of who 241 00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:00,640 they truly are and not paying attention to who they were being, as if 242 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,880 that wasn't spiritual, right, And it's a both end. You can acknowledge 243 00:26:04,319 --> 00:26:10,599 it's both end. You acknowledge it and you pay attention. So back to 244 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:15,000 one of your insights, why do we live small? Okay, how do 245 00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:18,799 we get to be living bigger? Well, first, I want to say 246 00:26:18,839 --> 00:26:29,200 that living big can doesn't mean like oh right. It could be the simplest, 247 00:26:30,039 --> 00:26:37,160 seeming simple acting in accordance and alignment with that inner knowing. And oftentimes 248 00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:41,680 we know it's good for us to eat, we know it's good for us 249 00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:45,359 to who, it's good for us to engage with. It's like or we 250 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,559 know we want to go take a walk, and we don't because the mind 251 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,680 has a million and the ego has a million reasons why not to do that 252 00:26:52,759 --> 00:27:00,119 thing. So I say, you know, anytime you do something that feel 253 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:07,559 that's in alignment with your yes, that's living big right, And we play 254 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:17,279 small because you know, this is how we're biologically and physiologically wired for certain 255 00:27:17,319 --> 00:27:25,799 things. And when there's a perceived threat of abandonment, of not being safe, 256 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,359 of being judged of because we want to have the sense of belonging, 257 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,799 of not being loved, we don't live big. We act out of fear 258 00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:41,079 and we end up playing small. So a lot of it has to do 259 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,640 with fear, A lot of it has to do with the voice of the 260 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,359 ego, which the ego is important, right. The ego is there for 261 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:49,440 a reason. It has a role. It's not like, oh, the 262 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,319 ego is all bad. It keeps us safe and functioning as humans in the 263 00:27:53,319 --> 00:28:03,960 world. And it could also get in the way of what we know that 264 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:10,000 we know that we know that we know, yet we don't pay attention. 265 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:15,720 Does that make sense? I hope this makes sense. And in this voice 266 00:28:17,839 --> 00:28:23,240 was counseling and what we have to do to release what's holding us back? 267 00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:32,359 Well, what it's it is? It showed me in my life what was 268 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:44,640 going on in that moment, which is akin to the human experience that humans 269 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,200 come in with. What exactly it is that keeps us playing small? And 270 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:57,160 it's that fear. It's that fear that's oftentime based in a story we make 271 00:28:57,279 --> 00:29:03,279 up or a legitimate trauma that we've had in our life and we continue. 272 00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:07,160 It's like a habituated pattern. It's so complicated, right, because it embeds 273 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:17,519 itself into our nervous system. So it's really self awareness, right, like, 274 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:22,480 oh, self awareness of when we are playing small instead of playing big, 275 00:29:23,559 --> 00:29:27,519 and it starts there. So, yes, it gave me a lot 276 00:29:27,559 --> 00:29:33,559 of insights and I'm now starting to formulate the words, you know, integrating 277 00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:37,200 the experiencing and formulating the words to give to all of the knowings that were 278 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:44,240 imparted. I think that's important that the knowings were imparted in something other than 279 00:29:44,319 --> 00:29:55,640 English. They were it's an idea that you understood, not necessarily in the 280 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,519 linear language kind of way. Yeah, it wasn't yes, that and it 281 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:11,519 what it's like, It wasn't even ideas as it was like energy and remembering. 282 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,680 It's like, it's the remembering, right, we are all we have 283 00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:18,559 this spiritual amnesia that we walk around in, right. I mean you look 284 00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:22,960 at little kids. Little kids are so connected because they don't they're not mired 285 00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:26,440 and have all that stuff piled up on top of them that they didn't have 286 00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:33,839 to yet, right, So it's that return. It was like it's like 287 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:42,839 igniting the remembering. It was it was that and like oh, you know, 288 00:30:44,119 --> 00:30:53,640 and understanding and bring attention to why we don't listen to the our knowing, 289 00:30:53,920 --> 00:31:00,319 why we don't take the actions that we're drawn to take, why we 290 00:31:00,839 --> 00:31:07,720 make up have reasons and excuses for why we can't or shouldn't do the thing 291 00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:11,319 that we're being called to do. So it has to do with all of 292 00:31:11,319 --> 00:31:17,680 that. And I'm just now really practicing giving words to something that was imparted 293 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:22,799 in a wordless way, and that's difficult. I you're doing great, So 294 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,079 thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. So what do 295 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:33,559 you do? What is is your method of remembering? How do you touch 296 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:42,519 base again with that that energy or with the voice. So meditation is huge, 297 00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:48,440 right, getting to a place of stillness, and you know, it's 298 00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:56,039 it's been, it's been a journey for me just if I could to be 299 00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:01,480 embodied right to be I tend to like it's easy to go out, coming 300 00:32:01,759 --> 00:32:07,519 back in and staying grounded. Right for me, I looked to my body 301 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:15,680 to give me information, which I've been guided to do from a mutual from 302 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:24,880 one of someone we both know, right, And I've been guided to really 303 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,680 pay attention to my body. What is my body telling me? And get 304 00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:37,359 So there's that and getting out of the analytical mind and into it's like turning 305 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:42,359 off, turning off the monkey mind, right, and being fully present and 306 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:51,079 connected and awareness self awareness also of the choice of making a choice to make 307 00:32:51,119 --> 00:32:57,599 a different choice in certain situations. For me, it's very easy for me 308 00:32:57,759 --> 00:33:01,000 personally to go and be in meditation, and I think, you know, 309 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:07,359 it's building a muscle through these different practices to access and to be open to 310 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:16,559 the voice, that voice that's outside of us, yet that's also connected that 311 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,920 it's not really outside of us. It's the voice of our inner knowing. 312 00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:27,720 It's like that presence was connected with my own inner knowing, with our own 313 00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:35,359 spark, with our own divinity, that place where we're all in union. 314 00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:38,200 So it's a practice to come back to that place. It's a practice of 315 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:47,480 its self awareness, right It's and transformational experiences and transcendent experiences could give us 316 00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:53,799 glimpses of, oh, of what that feels like. And then the work 317 00:33:53,920 --> 00:34:00,200 is how to bring that back in and be it and act it and and 318 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:07,639 and and walk and be from that knowing. Right that's I and I'm still 319 00:34:07,719 --> 00:34:15,840 getting those it's a practice. It's a constant practice. So what has happened 320 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:22,639 to your life and community since you've had your and E. What I find 321 00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:30,519 is when I'm around people who have had tran these experiences, it's kind of 322 00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:40,239 like a coming home and to be in community with others who understand the experiences 323 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:50,039 in a way that words aren't needed has been very comforting for me and kind 324 00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:57,000 of like a grounding point. And in coming back, I also know, 325 00:34:57,199 --> 00:35:00,119 you know, the work and the service is to be able to share from 326 00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:09,480 this place, to help guide people to access to remember, to access the 327 00:35:09,679 --> 00:35:15,440 essence, to listen to that voice of the soul. And my communities. 328 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:20,440 You know, I have my community, I have different communities, and and 329 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,920 I've learned to be able. Yeah, do your daughters did they recognize you 330 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:29,159 when you came back? Yeah? I think actually what happened was when I 331 00:35:29,199 --> 00:35:34,599 came back, you know, I have some I have people that I could 332 00:35:34,639 --> 00:35:38,320 talk to about all of the things and entering to portals and like I just 333 00:35:39,079 --> 00:35:43,599 so I have some people I could could do that with. And for my 334 00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:51,840 daughters and my family, there's been such a love and acceptance and curiosity and 335 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,800 I feel you know, my dad passed in March, and it really helped 336 00:35:53,840 --> 00:36:00,840 me having had this experience, really helped my mom through it, you know, 337 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:08,159 and also really helped facilitating that journey for my dad in the knowing of 338 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:15,639 what I experienced, and you know, What I do find is that the 339 00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:20,280 things that I was, and this happens to all people, I believe, 340 00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:24,960 as they go through their own spiritual awakening and as we're raising the vibration and 341 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:32,960 the consciousness on the planet is things and relationships and energies. There are certain 342 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:37,400 things I just can't tolerate, right, It's just it, you know, 343 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:45,360 it's just it doesn't work for me. Or so the voice that you communed 344 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:52,840 with for a year, what would be another one of those lessons that you 345 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:59,599 came out of that conversation with that was like, this is really a big 346 00:36:59,639 --> 00:37:05,000 deal. Oh my gosh, I have I have journals upon journals upon journals 347 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,039 of because it happens at like three am. Now I wake up. I'm 348 00:37:08,039 --> 00:37:14,000 like, you know, and I mean literally journals. So I'm actually in 349 00:37:14,039 --> 00:37:19,079 the process of going through all of this information, and you know, I 350 00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:22,920 am putting myself in a state where I can channel information and it's not necessarily 351 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:30,199 from that specific presence, it's it's channeling from these vibrational frequencies. I know 352 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:35,599 that could sound super out there, and I do believe that, and I 353 00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:37,679 know I'm going off on a tangent. I do believe that we all, 354 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:43,920 all people have the capability to tap in to listen. So there have been 355 00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:49,920 aha moments. I'm looking at my my I'm writing a book right now, 356 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,400 so I have all of my key points right here, which is helpful for 357 00:37:52,440 --> 00:38:00,719 me with a brain injury too, because yeah, because retaining information nation yet 358 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:08,599 in word language, you know. The other thing that the experience of we 359 00:38:08,639 --> 00:38:15,920 are so much bigger than our bodies, and the experience of being in the 360 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:23,639 both and of being spiritual beings, having a human experience, being human beings 361 00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:31,159 having spiritual experiences, being spiritual beings having spiritual experiences, and being human beings 362 00:38:31,199 --> 00:38:37,719 having a human experience. We're all of those things right now, right and 363 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:46,239 I've been really guided to kind of integrate all of them while I'm here right 364 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:51,320 now on this planet, because like I said, it's easier to go out. 365 00:38:51,440 --> 00:39:00,519 So one of the big things for me that I've been guided two is 366 00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:08,480 practicing. And this is not necessarily from that that presence. It's it's a 367 00:39:08,559 --> 00:39:15,440 practice, you know, practicing living and being from I call it from the 368 00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:20,119 NA must stay, right, we say in meditation or in yoga, and 369 00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:24,480 many people have heard the expression NA must stay. The light in me honors 370 00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:29,320 the light in you. Right, the light and the divinity in me sees 371 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:35,679 and honors acknowledges that in you. Imagine if we all walked around like that 372 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:40,519 all the time, it would be a different world. And we can do 373 00:39:40,559 --> 00:39:49,119 that and practice that like practice that at the supermarket, practice that wherever it 374 00:39:49,199 --> 00:39:53,199 is, and interacting with different people. We can return and practice that in 375 00:39:53,360 --> 00:40:01,079 each moment right noticing oh, I'm going into judgment again. Noticing self awareness 376 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:10,519 is the first step and also acknowledging what is true. You know, I 377 00:40:12,039 --> 00:40:22,239 mentioned before before we spoke about spiritual bypassing right and toxic positivity. So one 378 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:30,039 thing I learned about strongly when I was in all this stuff that led up 379 00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:37,280 to my accident and in coming back was yes, I've had this the ultimate 380 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:44,679 of experiences, and having this experience that confirmed in my knowing in the deepest 381 00:40:44,679 --> 00:40:49,239 plate of place of me that remembering right, it's like now and embodied in 382 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:58,559 every cell and particle in me. And life is hard sometimes and things happen, 383 00:40:59,159 --> 00:41:02,519 and it doesn't feel like all is well. Always yes, and some 384 00:41:02,679 --> 00:41:07,880 cosmic level all is well. But in the moment when you're moving through something 385 00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:13,400 difficult, that's very real for you, and we have to acknowledge that and 386 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:19,599 not move around that because that stuff gets lodged and stuck in the body and 387 00:41:19,639 --> 00:41:24,960 in our nervous system and affects us. And to not pretend that it doesn't 388 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,320 exist. I think that's that's the danger that can be. I don't want 389 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,599 to say the danger, but we have to live in all of it. 390 00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:36,079 So I've had a lot of guidance through that, and I think that's a 391 00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:42,679 wonderful place to wrap this up, that we have. We have this ability 392 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:49,159 to participate in the all there is and we get to live here in the 393 00:41:49,159 --> 00:41:57,000 physical world all at the same time, and that balance becomes the dance, 394 00:41:57,159 --> 00:42:02,840 becomes the challenge becomes the art of living. Oh that was beautifully said. 395 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:09,800 So thank you, Felice. Before we go, please tell people how they 396 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:15,400 can get a hold of you and find out about your work. So my 397 00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:22,679 website is www dot grounded illumination dot com and I have a bit about what 398 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:31,719 my story there and the work that I do rounded illumination dot com. Yeah, 399 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,519 thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, Felice. 400 00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:40,000 This has been just a wonderful interview. For those of you that are watching, 401 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:52,039 stay tuned. Because we have part two coming up. How about that 402 00:42:52,159 --> 00:42:57,840 blacklight experience remarkable? Right? And why do I say that? Well, 403 00:42:58,079 --> 00:43:00,519 just to be clear, these are my viewpoint, but that's why you watch 404 00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:06,679 the Afterlife files to gain perspective by using more than one lens with which to 405 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:13,440 view this rich information. There are four elements of a black light experience. 406 00:43:14,039 --> 00:43:21,039 They are color, feeling, presence, and contradictions. The color, that's 407 00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:28,719 easy, it was black, but the feeling of the blackness is important. 408 00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:36,119 It was calm and peaceful. Police felt held as if in a cocoon. 409 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:43,119 Other black light experiencers, in describing this often use this gesture to convey what 410 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:50,960 it feels like. This feeling was further supplemented with the words warm and nurturing. 411 00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:57,840 Then there is presence. This is so hard to talk about that she 412 00:43:58,159 --> 00:44:02,679 went at it twice. First off, she said, quote it was a 413 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:07,960 pure presence in a now moment, and then she went back at it again 414 00:44:08,039 --> 00:44:14,960 later and said there was no attachment, there was no wanting, there was 415 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:22,159 no yearning, there was just being. This is huge, and Felice gets 416 00:44:22,199 --> 00:44:27,159 credit for putting words to the experience of being one with the black light, 417 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:35,239 being one with the I am nature of God, of not having a sense 418 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:40,880 of self separate from the oneness of the universe. Then out of that blackness 419 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:47,840 came an energy that coalesced into a wondering and then finally a question. Is 420 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:55,480 there more? The moment she could form the idea of a question, there 421 00:44:55,559 --> 00:45:00,679 was a separation from the one. Then it it was possible to experience more, 422 00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:07,519 and in her case, that was a being of light. And finally, 423 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:13,760 did you notice the contradictions? This is a particular signature of the black 424 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:20,239 light. Felice was held in a place of darkness, yet it was illuminated. 425 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:25,400 Felice was closely held, yet the space expanded off as far as could 426 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:31,360 be and even further. All time collapse and expanded at the same time. 427 00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:40,239 It was pure nothingness and pure everythingness. This is an extraordinary description of the 428 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:49,239 black light. Other near death experiencers have called this place source where all things 429 00:45:49,679 --> 00:45:54,800 exists in potential. It is where all things physical are birthed. These same 430 00:45:55,000 --> 00:46:01,800 near death experiencers described the black light as the womb of God. Isn't that 431 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:08,960 beautiful? Also interesting is how normally she described by location. It seems to 432 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:15,199 be a natural state of near death experience. She expanded on this by saying 433 00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:20,480 that we don't learn how to connect with our higher selves, but rather the 434 00:46:20,559 --> 00:46:27,960 natural thing to do is to remember. It's a reminder that we existed before 435 00:46:28,039 --> 00:46:32,000 we had a body, and we will continue to exist after our physical body 436 00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:37,519 is worn out and cast aside. Lastly, I have been struck how people 437 00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:43,599 who have experienced a near death experience come away with an expanded sense of boundaries, 438 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,800 or say, a looser set of filters. Felice learn the opposite, 439 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,800 how to gain boundaries. I liked her summing up her interview with the idea 440 00:46:53,880 --> 00:47:00,000 that we can be connected to expanded states of consciousness while at the same time 441 00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:05,480 I'm having good boundaries while in the physical. Like so much else in our 442 00:47:05,519 --> 00:47:10,320 physical lives, it's a balancing act. Thank you, Felice. If you're 443 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:15,760 watching on YouTube, please like, subscribe, and comment. You can find 444 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:21,920 the Afterlife files on all podcasts, streaming apps, Apple, Google, Spotify, 445 00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:28,159 Audible, the lot. Pay us a visit at neardeath Meditations dot com 446 00:47:28,199 --> 00:47:34,719 for information on our albums, workshops and retreat So now please join us for 447 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:40,480 the second part of Felice's interview with two two Yes two share death experiences. 448 00:47:42,599 --> 00:48:01,119 Thanks for joining us at the Afterlife Files. By now