Hi everyone. This is Christina and this is MJ. And this is another
episode of a Spooky Tales, the podcast for all things as spooky. Today
we have a lovely guest with us. Go ahead and introduce yourselves. Say
hi to everyone. Hi, y spookies. I'm Azrael. My friend has
a really good podcast called Adoptees Crossing Lines and you should check it out if
you're interested. It is really good. I'll put it in the show notes.
I appreciate it. Yeah, and today I have a dream topic.
Yeah, it's like storty creepy pasta. And then Asta has a story for
us. But first I have a listeners story. And if you have a
story that you want to send into the podcast, you can email at Spookytoes
at gmail dot com. You can DM us on any of our socials.
You can submit it on Discord. There's a lot of options. You can
also call our spooky hotline and we'll play it in the episode. I think
those are Yeah, there's a lot of ways you'll see it in the show
notes. This was sent in through Patreon, so yeah, if you have
us on if you're on Patreon's that's another super fast way for me to see
the message, so lots of options. All right, So here's this story.
Hey Christina and MJ. I'm Jessica. I've been listening to your podcast
for over a year and I love it. Thank you, thank you.
I've been meaning to tell you this story since I happened pretty recently. Last
month. My best friend Medium and I were going to Moore Park to stay
with my sisters since we were going to a concert. Medium and I were
the only ones driving from San Diego. I went and picked her up and
I had helped her put her stuff in the rear hatch. We had put
our bags next to each other, and Medium had brought a cowgirl hat so
she can wear it to the concert. I saw her with my own eyes
put it on top of the bags. We head out and I put on
your podcast, specifically the episode Encounters with Now. We listened to it,
joking around about the when this oh God moved and how we don't want to
speak too much of them because they will show up. We stopped for dinner
in Irvine, and since I borrowed this car from work, as I was
leaving, I made sure to triple check the car was locked. We have
dinner and do the rest of the drive. We make it there and start
to unload things when we realized Medium's hat is gone, like missing, disappeared
without a trace. We were thinking where could it have gone. We made
sure to check the car was locked when we left it, and all of
our bags were still there, including my backpack that had a couple hundred dollars
in it. Like if someone broke into the car, everything would be gone,
not just the cowgirl hat. Medium talked to her mom that night and
she searched the house to see if she left it there, but we knew
she didn't because we both saw her put it in the rear hatch. Her
mom didn't find it, and a month later, the hat is still am
I A. We literally still think about what happened to that hat, but
honestly we blame dwend This. Thanks for taking the time to read my story.
Yes, yes, I think it was the dwend This when this heard
and they were like, oh, you think we're a joke, you think
this is funny. No, this hat is ours now that's what happened.
Also, let us know if the hat is back. I've heard sometimes you
can just be like like cause the custo Dwendo's out and demand your stuff back
and like it randomly reappears. I asked them, Okay, guys, can
you please give me my stuff back? Thank you? That's a lot nicer.
Yeah, and it does work sometimes. Okay, well, maybe just
do it that way, like being in airhead and just like forgetting your left
ship. But either way, I'm gonna pretend it's tod this. Maybe you
could trade them, like offer them a hat and ask for your hat back.
Oh yeah, that that could work too. Yeah. I always used
to blame like doing this, like losing my stuff in Karmen's like, no,
it's just you because you lose things all the time, and I'm like,
no, but it is, it is me. It could be both.
Yeah, you know what, it's probably the one this so two day's
topic that I brought. Have either of you heard of this man? No?
I don't think so. All right, I'm gonna send you a picture
in the chat. All right, could you can you guys see that?
Oh my, I know that guy. Yes, yes, you know this
Yeah, I know of this man. Yes, this man. Yes,
So that's what I'm talking about today, this man. And I forgot that
I heard this story. So At first, I was like, I forgot
to existed. But let me go back to my notes here. Okay,
So first I'm just going to start with the creepy pasta that exists. In
January two six, in New York, the patient of a well known psychiatrist
draws the face of a man that has been repeatedly appearing in her dreams.
In more than one occasion, that man has given her advice on her private
life. The woman swears she has never met the man in her life.
That portrait lies forgotten on the psychiatrist's desk for a few days, until one
day, another patient recognizes that face and says that the man has often visited
him in his dreams. He also claims he has never seen that man in
his waking life. The psychiatrist decides to send the portrait to some of his
colleagues that have patients with recurrent dreams. Within a few months, four patients
recognize the man as a frequent presence in their own dreams. All the patients
referred to him as this man in capslock or capital letters whatever. From two
dozen six until today, at least eight thousand people have claimed to see this
man in their dream in many cities all over the world. Los Angeles,
Gua, La La Hara, Berlin, Sau Paolo, Beijing, Rung,
Barcelona, you get it everywhere. At the moment, there is no ascertained
relation or comment trait among the people that have dreamed of seeing this man.
Moreover, no living man has ever been recognized as resembling the man of the
portrait by the people who have seen this man in their dreams. And that's
the creepy pasta. However, like, regardless of this like being known as
a creepy pasta, people keep claiming they've seen this man and it was debunked
like in I don't know, four years ago, maybe five years ago.
It's actually like a marketing ploy that was made by this sociologist slash marketer named
Andrea Natella, which is very close to Nutella Naela. Interesting, that's not
like, has nothing to do with this, but anyway, she has a
marketing company and they started the website this man dot org and they started putting
posters of this man everywhere, and then people were like, oh, I've
seen this man. I hate that it's called this man. It's too like
you say times, Yeah, it's so generic and that just makes this all
so much worse. But still like this. She was interviewed by Vice dot
Com, where she still pretends the story is real and then like I don't
know their next article, like in a few days, we're like, oh
my god, we were fooled. This has actually been debunked. And they
talked to someone from her company and they like admit it all. And it's
not really known why they all they went through this too, this whole campaign.
It's believed this was supposed to be a horror movie that then never got
made, so it's not confirmed like why they started this campaign. But even
then, like people still claim to see this man. I just hate saying
this man. Have either you seen this man? I've seen the picture.
You haven't seen him in your dream? Now? Yeah, I mean neither.
But we'll be sharing this picture on Instagram. But I'll describe it a
little bit. He's a creepy he has a creepy face. He looks like
he tortured animals and his youth. He really looks like this guy I was
in the mental hospital with in New York City in the early two Oh my
god, oh my god, No, I'm sorry, it's just it's just
really random, just really random, like the same uner brow. But wow,
oh my god, I was like drinking water, he said. I
was like to die. Oh man, I'm this is this is funny.
Just all the water was like, Okay, you're not going down my throw
and you're also not going all over my computer. Oh my god. But
it appears to be a white man, like honestly to me, with like
a round, weird small face, like thick eyebrows. It's almost a unibrow,
is it. You know, I think it's a unibrow. It's at
least unibrow adjacent. Yeah yeah, and like literally like thick ass eyebrows,
like very thick. Yes, a weird half smile, weird small ear yeah,
and like a really thin upper lip uh huh yeah yeah it's almost not
there, which is why I think it's a white man. And also a
very soft chin. Yes, yeah, yeah, it's very soft chin.
I'm very like there's someone just randomly. They've never said if they drew this
after someone or if they just drew something randomly, Like the company has never
said, I don't know, I'm wonderine, and like throughout the years,
there's been people that are like oh it looks like this guy, or it
looks like this guy, and honestly it doesn't. So again, like regardless
of this being confirmed fake, like this is a marketing employ people insist they
see him. There's stories of him just like being in people's dreams. I'm
really doing anything. There's other stories of him, of people being intimate with
him, those four people. Can you just imagine this guy leaning in for
a kid? Listen, I'm not trying to be mean, because like I
am a confirmed believer. Everybody's pretty in their own way. But oh,
yeah, you're right this Yeah, but there's also like a whole energy that
goes with this dude. Yeah, that's true. He has like a really
like creepy energy and like yeah, like Peeping Tom energy. Yes, and
I'm not about that, yes, yeah, yeah, I'm maybe there's people
out there there who are there's also people that fall in love with him and
his in their dreams. Is he like a billionaire in his dreams in their
dreams? Because you know, I might even look at that, look at
how beautiful that money as though I'm kidding. I've said this on no other
podcast with Carming. We're watching right now, and I'm like Teresa would be
very disappointed in me because like I did not marry for money, but like
all the money in the world would not make me marry this this man would
be like, but it would make me Actually are My group chat with my
mom and Carmen is called the Sea like we've let there sat down, And
if you've watched the soap opera, you know what we're talking about. If
you haven't, then you should watch it or listen to the podcast either one.
So there's also been people that have dreams of killing him in their in
their own dreams, and there's also stories of him like hunting houses. Outside
of dreams, people claim to see his apparition. So I don't know,
that's even worse. That's even worse than falling in love in love with him,
I don't know. I think falling in love is worse. I don't
know. At least I mean one at least it's in't just in your dream.
The other one you're like seeing it in person. That's true, That's
very true. So I found several different stories from Latin America of people seeing
this man and these are all from there's the whole Facebook group dedicated to this
man. I'm so sorry for all the times I'm gonna say this man,
I'm already getting to my own nerves. So these stories are from that Facebook
group. So this one is a dream from Mexico. They're all pretty short.
Two nights ago, I had a dream where this man approached me when
I was in my room playing the guitar. He asked me if he could
stay the night in my room. I immediately ran to the bathroom. My
fear and desperation was so bad that I immediately woke up by looking on the
internet for the description of this guy. One guy showed me this page.
And now I'm fucking scared because I'm not the only one who has seen this
man d Although in this dream, if you never saw this man before,
I don't know why he was scared. That is true. It's step Vibe
Vibe. Yeah, you're right, You're right, it is the vibe.
This one is a dream from Ecuador. I had a dream with the man
since my father left me. In my dreams, he does pretty much anything,
but he's there. He had never talked to me, he never moved,
He's just there. I always have the same dream when I am in
the US in New York, specifically in Times Square. He's there just standing
and watching my father enter a store. I've had this dream since I was
eight years old. It's now been years, and this man has tormented me
since then. Sounds creepy, that's creepy. That is creepy. Sounds worse.
It's it's so much worse because like this poor person's father has left them,
and then since they were abandoned by their own father, they have the
same dream that their dad is walking into a store and this man is just
staring from like across the street. Was now almost like almost like it was
like ominous, like this man took your dad. No, yeah, I
don't like it. I don't like it. This one is a dream from
Argentina. Hello. I remember I usually dreamt about this man when I was
little. Well, they were more like nightmares. They were red tinted like
hell, and his face was on my TV monitor, my computer monitor,
every monitor in my house. From that point, I always thought he was
Satan or something like that because he looked evil. But I realized he never
talked to me. He just looked at me. What does smirk? And
their room was filled with weird noise like when TV has no signal like static.
When I tried to turn out the TV by disconnecting it, it kept
going. That was the scariest part because I couldn't do anything. It was
between two thousand and eight and twenty thirteen. Then they stopped and I never
dreamt it again. It's the vibe. I don't like it. I don't
like it so creepy. Just just I mean, I don't know. Just
imagine seeing that face when you're trying to microwave something and it's just in the
I don't know, if it was in the microwave, that'd be weird.
Oh my god. I'm just like leaving my food there. I'm like,
whatever I'm doing, I'm never eating again. Okay, So this is a
dream from Peru. I was in a building with school friends and a childhood
friend. We had gone out partying and then returned in the morning when my
friends told me to go up to the top floor of that building, which
was the eighth floor. When I arrived, they told me that my childhood
friend had fallen from the building and his older brother pushed him. I was
very upset and I said I will get justice with my own hands, and
this man offered a snacks and I saw on the ladder and he walked behind
my friend grabbed my leg twice. I spit on him. Oh my god.
First, how does he go from like offering sandwiches so then being like
this rude ass person? And he turned around and looked at me with a
terrifying look. He moved his head and then he kept walking. Then I
was on the first floor. It was all empty except for this man.
He walked next to me, pushed me, and as I was falling,
I felt like I hit my entire body like it felt real, especially my
head. And in my dream I was about to die. Oh, oh,
terrifying dream. As I was laying there dying, this man approached me,
oh like got really close to his face and then he woke up crying.
I was like nope, wow, and then let me just read the
last part. I didn't know who this man was until I came across the
picture of him. Every time I see his face, I get goosebumps and
feel like crying again. There's something about him, like, even if it's
just like a psychological thing, there's something about like his features. They're like
uncanny Valley. Yes, agree, Yeah, watches all dreys dream about him
tonight, just because we were talking about him and we saw his picture and
I don't know how many times he saw his picture. I take it back.
I don't want it. I mean either, what if like the dream
world is populated just like this world is, and he's just like this random
person from the dream world and we remember what he looks like because he's just
really unique looking and got that. Yeah, it's so weird because to me,
he's very weird looking but also so very generic, like where if if
he was in a crowd somewhere, he would never stand out, but if
it was in my dreams, he'd creep me out. He would there.
Yeah, like there's something about him, like it's it's there's nothing spectacular about
his features, but it's still very like put if you put all the features
that he has together, it's weird. He looks weird. Yeah, yep,
it's strange, very very strange. But yeah, that's my story for
today. Thank you in advance for the nightmares. You're welcome. You're welcome.
So my story has a lot to do with dreams. Also, I'm
adopted obviously, so my adoption was not great. My adoptive family didn't believe
in anything supernatural. They were warm Jews, but like pretty atheist. I
guess, like they didn't have like ghosts were not real, Like there was
none of that. So when I was little, I used to have all
these dreams because they told me that, oh you're you're just white, You're
just a white a white lady. And so I would always ask like,
but where did I come from? And what uh like what nationality are my
parents? Yeah, like natural normal questions that you want to know, totally
totally normal questions that any kid would ask. And like in my dreams,
I would always be dreaming about people who, like I didn't think could be
related to me, just like random people Like I used to have dreams like
I had a lot of dreams about owls, m oh oh okay, And
I had a lot of dreams about my identity and they weren't matching up with
like the things that my parents, my adoptive parents told me. And I
sometimes feel like I was talking to my partner today and I sometimes feel like
they kind of got like, you know, there's all those stories about like
creepy orphans and stuff like creepy adopted orphans, I swear like my adopt like
I was that to my adoptive mom, Like there would be phone calls and
I'd be like, it's the babysitter, and like she would pick it up
and it would be the babysitter. Oh my god. And I think I
just like really creeped them out. For so when I got to be a
teenager, I think it was like also causing behavioral issues for me because like
I didn't know. I wanted to know who I was, you know.
And also the dreams of the owls, Like when I was really little,
they scared the ship out of me. And I was a kid in New
York City, so it's not like I had ever seen an owl. Yeah,
well, like what would happen in these dreams? Okay, So when
I was really little, I used to have this recurring dream about an owl
sitting in a tree and there was just like chaos going on, like there
was cats and it was like in kind of like a cartoon. And then
like as I got older, it was like more and more realistic. The
owl got more and more realistic. That's interesting, but like the owl would
be yelling to me and I and it was like trying to tell me something,
but I couldn't really understand, and it was just like I was afraid.
I didn't know what it was trying to tell me. And I would
wake up and I'd cry to my parents, like my adoptive parents, and
I'm like I'm having nightmares, like and they're like it's nothing, just go
to bed, like you're just just go to sleep and please go to sleep.
So so like as I got older, my dreams became like more and
more crazy, and they ended up like putting me on medication. And like
I said, I was in the mental hospital with this man and with this
man. So there's just like a lot of that. And for my whole
life, my whole childhood, like weird, just weird, random stuff would
happen. And then I got older and my birth mom found me and one
of the first questions I asked her for some reason was am I Mexican?
And and She's like, yeah, you are, okay, and and I
was like I knew it, Like I knew it. Just that's what the
Alans were telling you there, like Mexican, Mexican, and you're a witch.
Part of that. Like when I was little, I would tell people
all the time like I'm a witch, and it would creep out my adoptive
parents. And then when I met my family, I found out that that
was totally normal, Like it was totally normal, Like I had dreams about
people dying before they died. I so I and that like really put it.
They did not my family, my adoptive family did not like that.
I bet, yeah, that doesn't happen in temple, right. So when
I met my great grandmother on my mom's side and I started like getting to
know them, I realized that this was like a thing that happened to every
woman in my biological family. Is they all had dreams, premonition dreams.
They would like know when people were sick and all of this stuff. And
it was just really creepy, like like you were literally telling people that you
were a witch because you were, but you didn't even know it, Like
that's wild. I did not even know it. And the crazy part is
that between like when I was I think like eight seventeen eighteen, I really
stopped believing in all of this. Like I was a scientist, I worked,
I was a herpetologist for a well known zoo. I well, that
sounds fancy. I don't know what a herpetologist is. In Latin, it
means the study of creeping things. It's oh, that sounds cool, okay,
like it's reptiles and amphibians. Oh, oh my god, that's awesome.
Yeah. I loved it. It was really cool. I learned so
much, and like I worked in a marine biolab and I was like totally
science minded. I did not believe in any in any of this stuff at
all, Like I was hardcore. Even when it took me like a while
to accept that these things weren't, like, you know, a mental illness,
I really thought like, oh no, it's just me being crazy,
you know. But as I was like meeting my family more, I I
sort of started to like appreciate it more. And then so I also met
the other side of my family, my biological father's side, and the cousin
that I met was also actually both cousins that I met from that side were
witches too. Wow, like the whole family. Yes, And I even
had so my great aunt she was a brucha in Chicago, like, and
her brother that's my great grandfather, and he was like a zoot suit kind
of gangster type guy. And he murdered her husband been so she no,
so he murdered his sister's husband, and she put a curse on him and
all of his descendants. And so when I met my cousin, she's like,
you have a curse, and like here's she's like you and you probably
have a curse, and like here's how you can you know, help,
like do some ancestral healing. And the freaky part was that I had already
started doing that, Like I didn't. I didn't really, I didn't know
about any of this stuff. And it was like my intuition has been there
the whole time. My adoptive family couldn't make me a normy like them,
Like they tried. They tried so hard. They put thousands and thousand some
dollars into it, like meds for my whole life, and it did not
work, like at all, Like I live in the woods with a black
cat, you know, amazing, Oh my god, Like yeah, yeah,
amazing. Yeah. So it's been really crazy. Like my great grandma
before she died, like taught me all about how to listen to my dreams
and read the signs and like protect myself from energies and stuff. And I
think it's so crazy that people don't really treasure these little things that get passed
down because it really is, it's you know, it's still it's part of
the family culture, and to me, that's sacred. It is, yeah,
it really is. It really really is. And it's just you know,
it is crazy that instead of like nurturing it, you know, our
society kind of says like, well, this is a sickness. But like
I was a scientist, and I feel like I did really well, Like
I'm published. Oh nothing that anyone would really want to read. It's like
you know, research stuff, but published is published, thank you. But
like I really I totally bought in to that whole like science life. And
then so during this time, like a few a couple of years ago,
I started doing ketamine therapy and that's when like I started getting off all my
meds and I had these like wild hallucinations while I was under and like they
were always like like they worked with my dreams to like heal me and like
give me a more clear picture of who I was and my identity and like
I was. It was really really healing for me. And I think like
the spirit world and my dream life, like those things were what enabled me
to like live a good life still after everything that I've been through. And
I especially like I have one relative, Mayawuelito, and he used to pray
for me, like before I even knew who he was. And I really
feel like his love and his praying for me to come home, like I
I felt chills right now. Oh my god, that's amazing. And I
just I really feel like his love was protecting me from like a much worse
outcome, because I mean, I lived a rough life, but I have
a happy life now and I really, I really do believe that he's like
still protecting me and he his love helped me get here. Like I'm podcasting,
I know you're making us all like oh that's amazing, but like I'm
even they really are. They really are, and and they don't stop.
Like I told I told another adoptee, like even if you don't know who
your ancestors are, they know you, Like our ancestors know us and they
love us, and even when they're alive, and even if you're separated from
them, like you know, I really do think that love is sacred.
It's like a sacred energy. And I don't know, I've always felt like
that, and I just try to like the more I learn about my families,
the more I understand myself and how I'm not weird, Like I'm just
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I don't think I could see anything even if I wanted to. But
like my mom and my great grandma, they both had like premonition dreams,
like I've talked about it and other episodes, but like if she dreams a
baby someone at my great grandpa he passed away before we met him, and
my mom like you know, obviously everyone loves their grandparents, but like she
absolutely loved them. She was always at their house, like their relationship was
so close, and then obviously migration, like you know, just she didn't
get to see them again before they passed away. But ever since he passed
away, she's she's him in his in her dreams. We would like pray
for him to help us out, which, like I know, is like,
oh, other religions are like, oh, you can't pray to other
people, But I think with Catholics were all we're all like more spiritual.
Yeah, and so I don't even like I'm not I'm not a practicing Catholic,
but I will ask still, like my ancestors for help, like oh,
bello, I we're making this long drive. Protect us and not my
grandpa because he passed away too, So we'll be like protect us on this
whatever, keep them safe. Like that's super normal for us, and it's
frowned upon in like other places, but that's what's something we've Yeah, me
neither, that's something we've always done. And so like my mom kind of
just taught us, like they're looking out for you always. And so whenever
she dreams my great grandpa like upset, like he's he looks mad in his
dream, like he's not looking at her, or like she'll be trying to
reach him, like he'll be walking somewhere and she's like, oh wait,
wait for me. I'm trying to catch up, and she can catch up
no matter what. In her dreams. That means like something bad is going
to happen, and it usually it comes true, like someone ends up passing
away after dreams like that, someone in the family, a friend, or
someone ends up like sick, it's it's always always comes true. So like
there's always these legends of like oh, bluecasters are so scary, but that
I think that is like if my mom wanted to get more into blue.
Yeah, it scares her, but like that's she has that gift, Like
I don't have it. I've never even to this day, Like my grandpa
passed away and I just want to dream where I see him and I don't
have them and never remember my dreams anyway, And Carmen she'll message me and
be like oh, She'll message both of us and she's like, oh,
I dreamed that we were all in Mexico and my Yabulita was there and like
we all hugged him, and I'm like, oh that's beautiful. But yeah,
I'm like so closed off. But it's like for whoever. And it
can also be like I think a scary scary thing to totally something bad is
going to happen. Yeah, like it's like a like a curse. Yeah
yeah. My grandma called him nightmares. Yeah yeah. Yeah, She's like,
why do you want more of those? Like their nightmares? Yeah,
because my mom had the same thing. We remember, I told you,
it's like the day before she got her diagnosis, she had her grandma come
to her in a dream and say, everything's gonna be all right, You're
gonna be cured. She and then the next day, actually I think not
even the next day. That day, mid day, she got a call
it she had cancer. It was crazy, but she already knew she was
going to beat it because that was that she was told. Yeah, it
was insane. And then my grandma dreams everything that happens to the family.
So she dreamt when my mom was in a car crash, she dreamt when
my uncle was beaten by the police. She dreamt my mom's diagnosis. It's
crazy. And then we get like two days later, call, hey,
I dreampt this, and my Mom's like, oh, okay, so I
can't hide it from me. You already know. Yeah, we can't hide
anything from my grandmother because she knows. She just knows and dreams. Yeah.
That's how my grandma June was too. She was just like that.
She dreamt, she just she knew everything. And then right before because she
just passed away not that long ago, and I had one of my ketamine
infusions right before she went into hospice. She had dementia and she was like
sometimes forgetting who I was. But this time, I like had this dream
that her spirit was being called to the next to the next world. But
it wasn't like like we had had a close call before, but this time
it felt like she was ready to go, and I was able to like
tell everybody, like, hey, I think Grandma is going to be put
in hospice soon. And then like a month later, she was put in
hospice. Damn. Yeah, it's crazy, but I really think that these
things they just run in some families. I really I believe that, like
there's nothing like. So then when I met the other side of my paternal
family, this is what my aunt left me. My great aunt left two
tarot decks one and there's two like her and her sister each had a grand
baby and that's me and my cousin, and so there was one deck for
each of us. And like so it's literally for me on on all the
sides. Yeah, it was just it was mind blowing to to like because
I was a total like did not believe in any of this at all at
all, like just edgy atheist, like no, none of that. All
atheists go through an edgy atheists time period. I had mine too, or
I told my mom and I was like, I don't believe in God anymore.
And now I'm like now that I don't know, I'm like my thirties
and I don't know things have happened. I'm like, you know what,
I don't go to church. I'm not like a practicing religious person, but
yeah, I believe there's something else out there. There's you know, our
families are out there, yes, you know, still protecting us. I
don't pray to God. She's my girl. Now now after I forgot what
was it that I don't remember where I was with my mom that and that
there's this like Comedy Central scared. I forget what the show is, but
some guys getting robbed and then he's like, oh, but didn't protect me
please? And then she shows up. She's like, oh, now you
believe now you want to say to me? It was like it was some
situation not that serious at all with my mom, Like I think I was
gonna put something is so dumb, like I think I was gonna fall in
trip And I was like, oh, because to save me And she's like,
oh I thought you were e Yeah, just in case, that's good
it's me just the case I could be wrong. Yeah, I just I'm
like, I don't I don't know what all is out there, Like I
know what I experience in my head amine journeys. I know, I definitely
believe that this isn't like just the end. But like I've become one of
the most spiritual people. I know. I'm definitely not religious. The Temple
would be very unhappy with me. I'm a terrible Jew. This is it's
literally Russias Shanna. I'm like supposed to be in temple right now. But
but like this is like, this is my my belief system. All has
to do with my ancestors. That's okay, we feel well, I would
I'm a terrible Catholic. Oh cool, we can sit together. Yeah yeah,
yeah, we could be sinners together. I'm down. When when I
was in Mexico last time and we were visiting the my grandpa and like the
cemetery, my mom was like, your kids aren't like baptized, so you
need to Apparently it's like a thing that unbaptized children when they go to cemeteries,
you have to like when you're leaving, you have to repeatedly say their
name or their like spirit can stay in the cemetery at my mom told me
and my Theah, yeah, that's what they both told me. Because my
kids are not baptized. I'm not it's too late. I'm not going to
do it. But she was like, you have. We had to keep
calling them, and so all on the way out, we're just like b's
repeatedly stay in their names, like follow us, follow us out, which
is also necessary because they're like toddlers and they also wonder. So it worked
both way. But and she also was like, oh, and then like
that and like give them the Still I don't know how to do it.
I can't remember what's it called in English when you bless someone, Is that
what it is? Yeah? Yeah, you like touch you do like the
sign of the cross almost like you move your hand like in four places.
And then like it's like the because we still have like a little like prayer.
I guess the prayer that you begin prayers with and end them with,
or you're supposed to do. Sometimes I'm like I forget, but it's the
name of the Father is done in the Holy Spirit, and it's you do
that to yourself and to people, and it's like a blessing. It's like,
yeah, she was like do that on the way out, and I
was like, I don't remember how She's like, oh my fucking god,
like I can't believe you. And I was like, I'm sorry. It's
so funny, like the cultural like little things that we like continue doing regardless
of our belief systems, Like no, I'm still you know what I'm I'm
like agnostics sometimes, but I'm still gonna do this because just exactly, you
never never know o jinks. I think you said that at the same time.
I don't know. We'll find out when I'm editing. But wow,
seriously, what an't I mean what an amazing, amazing story just goes to
show Like I don't know what I was going to say after that, something
about dreams and ancestors and how it's all connected. Yeah, something, but
like there was a better sentence in my head that just didn't Yeah, yeah,
it really is all connected, and like you can't. You cannot live
your life as someone else and be okay, Like even if you have no
idea who you are or where you came from, even if you were taken
out of your you know, family when you were a baby, like you
weren't you weren't a blank slate, Like nobody is just born into this world
as a blank slate. Like we all have ancestors, we all have stories,
and all of our families have been affected by history, and that will
not leave you, even if you have no idea what it is. So
oh my god, so true, so true. This reminds me. On
my other podcast, he study Asn't Known and I covered I don't Thank you.
We covered international adoptions. I want to say, she did it was
and what was he there was? Yes, I was, Yes, I
was yelling. I cried like a bitch during both of those episodes because and
I think it was the Chila one that Carmen covered that went into more depth.
She went she covered like because there's like I mean, it's a whole
last hour and a half episode almost, but basically like during the war,
people were being adopted out for profit. Basically I heard the don't do that,
they do they do that in this country? Yeah, in this country.
And like, because I was watching this thing from uh now, adults
who were taken by CPS and they were like, my parents were never like
that, but they just you see it. Also with the migrant children's that
were lost, that were missing. I heard it happens a lot in It
happened a lot in Korea and a lot of impoverished countries where kids go missing.
It's because like these adoption agencies take kids and then the parents and yeah,
and the parents in the countries are looking for them and then they find
them. Oh yeah they were adopted out. Yeah, this happens everywhere that
America has had any type of conflict. They it's also like it's a it's
a yeah, it's a tool of genocide and it takes Yeah, it really
is. Yeah, it all leads back to the US and white supremacy.
And they actually they took my Latina heritage off the paperwork because they could sell
me for more money without it. Oh wow, I'm not surprised at all,
but yeah, that makes yeah. But yeah, those those both of
those episodes have stories of people like later like they always felt like something was
missing, something was wrong. I didn't look like anyone else because they were
in countries like Switzerland and like these European ass countries and they were the only
like Latino people, but they didn't know they were and they never like stopped
feeling like something, they were missing something, and then later they find a
lot of these adoptees end up going back to their countries with their biological families
later. And when I heard all those stories, oh my god, I
create someone. I mean, that's that's how I ended up here. Like
I moved from New York City, and when I was little, I was
like, just had this poll towards the Redwoods, Like I wanted to live
in the Redwoods when I was just so beautiful. Yeah, that's where I
live now. I'm jealous because I grew up in the area and my dad
would take us every like every year, multiple times a year, to go
visit the Redwoods and take the pictures next to the these I don't know,
like they're giant, but it's like more than giant. I don't know how
to describe them, you know what I mean, Like you look at them
and yeah, they have presents. It's like a like a almost like a
titan or something, you know what I mean. It has like this energy
coming from them and always love that. They really do. The one that's
right outside my window right now, my neighbor named her Deborah, and that
she's four hundred years old. It's it's just such a peaceful place. And
like so many adoptees, we like we long for our land and our people
and our heritage. It's almost like you're you're the familial ties are calling to
fooling. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, Like I feel like these trees are
my family, Like my family has been coming to this place for generations and
generations and generations, and I just like I also had a hallucination on ketamine
after my after my Grandma June passed that she was like living in the tree.
Oh and like that, yeah, me too, And ever since then,
I just I'm I'm so this is the first time in my life,
like I'm grounded, I'm putting down roots, like this is my first real
home with these trees. Like I'm I feel this sense of like I am
finally where I'm supposed to be. Amazing. I'm gonna cry. I love
that. Yeah, you're making me emotional. Sorry, guys, it's okay,
It is okay. It's like it's like what it's called when you're like
it's a few feel good but it's so feel good that you're just like,
don't better cry, it's too feel good. I can tell you some not
feel good stuff. Ked happy tears are better than like sad and scared tears.
Oh hell yes they are. I'm done tears. Like I'm just hanging
out here with the trees and the bats. I love that. And another
thing with the trees I don't like. I never really thought of this,
but I was on TikTok scrolling and it was someone who had like this again
connection with like a grandparent, and they were like I remember being little and
my grandmother's saying, not all your trees. Not all the trees are your
friends. Some of them protect you, others do not, and like you.
And I never noticed that, but that is true. There's always like
that one tree you're like, there's something about you, and then there's other
trees that you're like, I really like you tree. I know I have
like emotional attachments with me too, and like sometimes like they get like a
few of them got like a diseases, I don't know what, but like
their their branches became brittle and they were just like falling off. And then
the apartment complex that I that I have was like chopping them down, like
crying. I was like calling my mom was like mother gotting down the trees
oh, it's like I've never felt that. But again, it's probably because
I'm so close off and I don't. I get this like sadness in the
pit of my stomach when I see trees being cut down. I don't know
why. Same same, Yeah, I don't like think you start crying moms
Like, I know me too. I feel sad and like ugly crying.
And she's like, it's it's okay me huh. I made my husband asks
the tree if it was okay to trim part of it. I love you,
you have to tell the tree what you're doing. Yeah. And I
would feel so bad too as a kid when people would rip off its sleeves.
I'm like, don't do no, just giving us the oxygen for real,
It's it's yeah. So my adoptive mom came to visit and like,
you know how the trees are all connected, like they're like a family.
So my adoptive mom and dad they came to visit, and she's like,
I love the redwoods. Do you think I could just take one home with
me? And I was like, I think you tried that and it didn't
work. She did not get the joke, so I had to explain it
to her and that was like super awkward. But before before they came to
visit my one of my adoptee friends on Twitter was telling me that there's like
a lot of like the like you were saying, the trees. Not every
tree is your friend. And if you, like I think that it it
is dangerous to come into these woods and disrespect disrespect nature because these trees they're
large, and they have large branches, and the branch here for hundreds of
years, the things they have seen, the things they have seen and they
have I believe that the woods have capabilities that we don't understand that we are
we just don't know. So that's why I'm just like so cautious, and
that's why I really try to, like I don't know, like be respectful,
be respectful, and try like I don't look at these trees like I
own this tree. This tree is living with me, like we're living together,
and I don't own them, like they probably owned me more than I
own them, Like they could just fall on my house and I'll be you
know, So I just like though, Oh, also, the Pomo used
to call this place. I don't know if I'm pronouncing this right, but
Cola, which means the shady place. And they believed that if you built
your that the redwoods all had spirits like they like an essence, and that
if you built your house out of redwood, that the spirit would still live
on in your house. And our house is built out of redwood. Wow.
So it just wow. And then the whole story of like how we
ended up with this house was just it was just so many signs that like
it's this one and I have never felt so safe. But I was genuinely
worried for my adoptive parents to leave. I'm like, I wonder if the
woods are going to let them go, like you had to ask, like
please let them leave in peace. They mean they mean no harm, really
like they're not gonna take anything. We're not gonna take anything. At this
point that anymore learned they have Actually they have. So that's amazing. No,
but that's why there's so many like forest story, so many spirits tied
to trees, like and that's like across all clothes. You can see that
because like they also say, like you know, like those windows that live
in the trees, and people like always feel like kind of like some kind
of way with those trees with the wends in them, and I'm like,
yeah, it's true. Like Pa, my grandma said that people who were
really sensitive were better at like knowing, like feeling those things like seeing doend
this and feeling the spirits and having the dreams. And she was like,
you're so sensitive, and she's like, that's why you get the dreams.
Oh wow, Well, I'm getting hungry. So this is a good time
to wrap up because my popeyes is out there. But before we go,
do you have any spooky recommendations? Any type of media that's spooky that you
want to recommend. That's a tough one. I don't know. At this
time. I should have been more prepared, and I apologize no worries.
Christina is usually prepared for all of us. That is true. Well,
then, MJ, do you have any I don't know. I just rewatched
Crimson Peak. That's about it. Oh, I've been meaning to watch that
since you mentioned it when we read they haven't seen it, Like that's streaming
on Netflix, you know. I want to say Netflix. I look,
I'm pretty sure I sat on Netflix to see their Netflix or Hulu because because
those are the two apps I was on today. Have you noticed Whula's been
adding a bunch of horror. Yes, yeah, they know. They're like,
became prepared this year. You guys became prepared and I was a good
job. Who Yeah. Yeah. I don't have any like media type of
spooky recommendations, but I do have a sort of spooky recommendation. I bought
some sheets, some white sheets, and I'm gonna put them on my children,
and then I'm gonna put a little sunglasses on them, and then I'm
gonna pictures of them. So I recommend everyone takes some ghost pictures. I
love blommendation. I love that. Yeah, yeah, I will. I
will show them when I have them. I was gonna do today, but
then my husband wants to go get the sheets too late. I could have
gone early. Awesome. My daughter wants to be Smarrow this year, and
I'm like, how are we gonna do that? You're gonna freak a lot
of people out from the ring or the ring I love. She has her
really long hair because I haven't cut it since she was born, so she
has a really long hair, and I'm like, black, yes, yes,
you're gonna And her father is terrified I'm talking about I cannot him make
that man and like since I met him watch the Ring and I was like,
girl, your your father's gonna die. He's just gonna see you.
Just stop over. She's like, I don't care. That movie is terrifying.
I would be scared your daughter's And then she's like he's thirty one years
old. He needs to get it together. I'm like, okay, damn.
Yeah. It's like she won't kill you like Samarrow does, but she'll
do emotional damage. So emotionally she's judging me. It's not even here,
but she's judging ready. She's staid eyeing everything. If she ends up with
that Halloween costume, I need you to like record a few tiktoks to her.
She really wants she wants to be an alien and Samarrow, I'm like,
you know what, I can't. I have to get a kid friendly
costume for her to take to school. I was like, you can't.
I'm not gonna take me like that. We're gonna scare all your friends.
Yeah, that's so funny. I think you should let her scare all her
friends. I'm voting for that one. There's a video. I think I've
talked about it before. It it's like a little Asian girl and she's dressed
as the thing from a spirited away. Spirited away. Yeah, and she's
scarying everyone at the daycare. That's what I picture that girl. That's the
best. Yeah. I want to be her friend, right, I feel
like she knows things right? Yeah, okay, Well, how do I
let us know if you've seen this man? Actually, no, let me
rephrase that. If you if you see this man in your dreams, just
punchmen, throw hands, throw hands. Yeah, please don't make love with
him, but don't do that if you see him in the mental hospital.
Yeah, yeah, just just turn around and walk the other way. No,
out of there, yep, yep. And yeah, anything else to
add before we end this? I think that's it, unless you know what,
Let's remind the spookies that we're still reading Silver Nitrate. Yeah, new
pages in. I think I'm like five. Oh okay, yeah, Carmen
has read more I think, but not a lot either. So that's why
it's the Speak Tales book Club for busy people. Yeah people, we're still
on the last book, so well, you know what, the episodes are
there waiting for, you know, whenever you finish the book. So yeah
again for busy people. I think the last one took us like four months,
right yeah, and it's it was the shortest book, so there was
like it was just, oh my god, it was insane. I feel
like it was like it's such an I mean, and that's saying something because
this this time, I'm lates more insane. I've only gotten like five pages
in the book. I'm going to read, I promise guys. I am
well, I gotta read that, me too, me too, yeah,
Silver Nitrate. And then I'm excited for the next one, the Vampires.
Oh my god, I cannot wait for that one. That one's just I
started it. My bad, I need to read the other one first.
But I did start it, and like chapter one is already like oh my
god, this is insane. So oh I can't wait. Like that's just
it's just calling my name. I have it on my shelf and it's like
read me, read me, and I'm like, I can't. I can't.
I have a few more books patience. Yeah, all right, Well
stay a spookie and we'll catch everyone next time. Bye bye bye,