WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.760 --> 00:00:15.560 Adventist Radio London. Inspiration for the song. It is talking Point. It 2 00:00:15.679 --> 00:00:20.879 is five o'clock on a Saturday evening, and of course you all know that 3 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:26.839 we always have the best guest in town and the most good discussion. Let 4 00:00:26.879 --> 00:00:29.239 me just say a good discussion. I was gonna say argument, but good 5 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:33.320 discussion. Anyway. Let's pray Father Bill with us now as we start our 6 00:00:33.399 --> 00:00:38.000 program, and we pray that you will guide us through every aspect in Jesus 7 00:00:38.079 --> 00:00:44.000 name. Amen, Amen, and a man. So let's do a quick 8 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:48.159 mic check. Pedro, how are you, sir? I'm good. How's 9 00:00:48.159 --> 00:00:52.479 anybody doing today? Okay? Do that again for me? I am good. 10 00:00:52.520 --> 00:00:55.159 How's anybody doing today? Okay, you sound you sound like you're good. 11 00:00:55.159 --> 00:00:58.600 Pedro, you sound like you're good. Sound like you're good. Zenia, 12 00:00:58.640 --> 00:01:03.079 how are you? I am well? Welcome to Talking Point? Everyone 13 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:06.879 good, yea good good. The microphone is always good. The rest of 14 00:01:06.920 --> 00:01:10.200 it we concerned about, but the microphone always good. Um, Angela, 15 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:21.519 how are you? Low? Words started already like two minutes into the program. 16 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:26.200 Even Welcome to Talking Points? Okay? Is this okay? And is 17 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:30.079 here again? I'm just making sure we get the evening and welcome to talking 18 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:32.599 point. Okay, I think that's not bad. That's not bad. Makes 19 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:37.040 I got the right mic because it sounds anyway good and with us, I'm 20 00:01:37.040 --> 00:01:38.920 going to ask Ryan to just give us a good evening, real quick. 21 00:01:41.319 --> 00:01:45.680 Um, good evening. I'm ran great, great, sounds good to me. 22 00:01:45.719 --> 00:01:49.040 You sound good to me and a nice one, does it? Well, 23 00:01:49.120 --> 00:01:53.280 let's let's ask the question how was the week? Guys? How ladies? 24 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:57.359 And I gotta be politically correct nowadays. How how was the week? 25 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:02.239 Um? You know, I mean, anyone can kick in. I don't 26 00:02:02.239 --> 00:02:06.480 know how are your week was? Let us know, um, Angela, 27 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:12.400 Zenia and Pedro, how your week was? My week was good this week? 28 00:02:12.520 --> 00:02:15.599 Um, as we had discussion on Thursday, I've been a really busy 29 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:23.719 week. Finally back home, Um, definitely a dead rest today and just 30 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:27.280 how to you know, thank God that I was able to drive all around 31 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:30.439 like I did and make it back home safe and sounds so I'm happy about 32 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:35.439 that and be back home with the family. M hmm. Okay, okay, 33 00:02:35.479 --> 00:02:39.680 so you know you you didn't go like Devon to to South End, 34 00:02:39.719 --> 00:02:46.879 I mean to to Scotland or whatever. I went to Wales to Cornwall, 35 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:53.280 almost. Yeah. I was all down in the southeast of um of Um, 36 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:58.599 the UK, okay, about one hundred and eighty miles one hundred and 37 00:02:58.639 --> 00:03:05.080 fifty miles from London. I was all down that side phone bath man, 38 00:03:04.639 --> 00:03:07.360 down on that side of the town week and I grew up. I'm going 39 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:09.800 to beat like you that kind of money you're rolling with, that kind of 40 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:13.680 money, that kind of money you're rolling with, man, I tell you, 41 00:03:13.960 --> 00:03:19.120 I'll tell you, is any angela? How was your week for you 42 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:23.479 guys are going? My week was okay. I in fact had a conference 43 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:29.840 to attend MINE Federation conference. This yer kicked hel And my takeaway from that 44 00:03:29.960 --> 00:03:32.360 is that there's so much still to be done. And I mean, I 45 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:38.759 don't think this is new information, but we're still unraveling on unpacking what's happened 46 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:43.919 in terms of mental health from this U pandemic. Yeah. Yeah, it 47 00:03:44.039 --> 00:03:47.159 is kind of kind of strange, isn't it. Yeah, And and who 48 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:53.039 knows when this will as far as the mental health side of it and well 49 00:03:53.120 --> 00:03:57.639 being, you know, when you know the scars are probably gonna last generations. 50 00:03:58.360 --> 00:04:00.520 Yeah, it's still so much to be done, but the good news 51 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:05.199 is started some now on the front um banner. You know it's now been 52 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:10.879 discussed more openly. Yeah, sure, and hopefully we'll see some progress. 53 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:16.399 Amen, Amen, and a man um and so any any any kind of 54 00:04:16.639 --> 00:04:23.399 um, any kind of big news that stood out for you guys um this 55 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:26.560 week, any kind of thinking, well, there's a lot of news, 56 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:30.000 but any kind of news that stood out for you guys this week? Pedro 57 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:36.120 Zena And oh so you're sorry, Andy, I didn't mean. I mean, 58 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:39.959 I'm so used to not having you. I'm sorry. Go ahead, 59 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:47.279 And you were saying I was saying, that's got a good week. I 60 00:04:47.319 --> 00:04:51.279 was office work. Sorry, I just gotta get this laugh back. I'm 61 00:04:51.319 --> 00:05:00.639 sorry. That was fairly it was fairly relaxing, but I had It was 62 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:04.319 my younger sister's birthday, so I took her out. We went to Boockets 63 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:09.519 Farm Park, which was cool. Where is that? Where is that? 64 00:05:09.519 --> 00:05:13.120 That's in leather Head in Surrey? Okay, okay, So yeah, so 65 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:15.480 we lots lots of animals, what have you. Sort of a bit of 66 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:20.560 an odd day because also my dad passed away twenty four years ago now on 67 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:25.920 her birthday, so it's always kind of a sad and happy day, you 68 00:05:25.959 --> 00:05:30.519 know. But we had a good day. It was nice yea um and 69 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:34.800 yeah. Then the rest of the week I've kind of been I've been decluttering, 70 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:39.519 or at least attempting to. And I've realized that I have a lot 71 00:05:39.519 --> 00:05:46.120 of stuff. Sorry my throat, I have a lot of stuff. And 72 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:51.279 yeah, maybe a big sale is coming, so you know, people need 73 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:58.800 things, you know, I would I would hope that, because we are 74 00:05:58.839 --> 00:06:02.319 so charity drip from is that you would take it to a charity shop. 75 00:06:02.759 --> 00:06:04.959 Do you know what I mean? Well, just do that. I've done, 76 00:06:05.199 --> 00:06:08.519 I've done, used to do. I used to do carpet seals and 77 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:11.879 sell online and email and all that and stuff. But it takes that takes 78 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:15.199 a lot of time and a lot of stuff. So probably I'm going to 79 00:06:15.240 --> 00:06:19.480 spake several charity shops. Quite happy, so because I come over, what's 80 00:06:19.480 --> 00:06:26.480 a carpet cell? No, not a car boot cell cell, She's a 81 00:06:26.600 --> 00:06:29.800 carpet sorry. No, she probably has to sell a carpets too. I 82 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:31.000 don't know. She got a lot of stuff. She got a lot of 83 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:36.720 stuff. Cope, what is that like a garage sale? I know what 84 00:06:36.759 --> 00:06:41.439 a boot seller is. I just heard carpet Yeah, yeah, yeah, 85 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:44.519 yeah, it's it's a signal in Halifax. We got it, we got 86 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:49.600 it, we got we got that signal in Hallifax. But you know, 87 00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:54.439 it was interesting to talk about declutter because I was just looking in my wardrobe 88 00:06:54.560 --> 00:06:58.480 or closets this morning, and I was saying, Bredren, you know, 89 00:06:58.600 --> 00:07:00.879 it's taking me so long to get ready for church and our church. He 90 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:06.720 started all over again because I've accumulated stuff during lockdown, which is real weird. 91 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:12.360 I've accumulated stuff during lockdown that I didn't have before. And the sad 92 00:07:12.439 --> 00:07:15.560 thing is I put on a little bit of yeah, since accumulating the stuff, 93 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:20.439 and therefore the stuff needs to go. So I was thinking, I 94 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:24.079 was talking about, you know, doing the charity thing, but then I'm 95 00:07:24.079 --> 00:07:27.560 pole, amen, so I may. I don't know. I'm a charity 96 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:31.360 case myself, so maybe maybe I could, maybe I could do half, 97 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:42.560 maybe I could do half and half. Yeah, that thing. But but 98 00:07:42.639 --> 00:07:44.360 yeah, and yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you. Ya a 99 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:47.839 week off, you did nothing as usual. I'm sorry you did nothing and 100 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:53.439 rested and relaxed miss as much. I would have liked you to be honest, 101 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:56.800 because I'm actually tired, but because I think we were also rehearsing for 102 00:07:56.839 --> 00:08:01.480 our Children's Day must have happened today, but I don't know. The devil 103 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:05.160 obviously wants its way and kind of mess up everything. So we ends up 104 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:09.959 postponing it to next week and kind of ends up sort of doing a sort 105 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:13.480 of prayer, praise and testimony sort of session, which actually would tend that 106 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:16.959 really nicely. Okay, okay, okay, So yes, it's not been. 107 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:20.279 It's certainly not been a rest of the week like I wanted to be. 108 00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:22.560 When you've got things to do, you've got things to do, right, 109 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:30.439 yeah, Amen, Ryan, while you're here and you're chilling, it 110 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:35.360 looks like you're just chilingum tell us. And by the way, listeners, 111 00:08:35.679 --> 00:08:39.639 Ryan is someone that is dead to our heart. Is one of those individuals 112 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:46.279 I've got baptized um with our aerial baptism we had. And he's a young 113 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:50.480 man. He's looking very distinguished. He's got a beard. I don't know 114 00:08:50.559 --> 00:08:54.480 if I saw a beard the last time I saw him. Um. However, 115 00:08:54.879 --> 00:09:00.320 Ryan, if I were to introduce you to the folk, how tell 116 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:05.240 us how you would want to be introduced? Um? How would I want 117 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:11.759 to be introduced? I don't know. I think I think first me, 118 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:18.519 I'm sure. Okay, so we all know my family, my hand and 119 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:28.879 whatnot, my mom Yeah yeah, um um um, I don't know. 120 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:37.679 I'm someone that recently, um just sure awfully to get closer to God. 121 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:43.639 And I've been trying to change my life around, okay, because we all 122 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:48.840 do some silly things a young I'm just trying to find good and find my 123 00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:52.799 way life and that's sort of where I'm at right now. Okay, okay, 124 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:56.559 okay, that sounds good to me. I could not have done a 125 00:09:56.559 --> 00:10:01.240 better job if I tried. Um, So we're thankful for that. Ryan. 126 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:03.759 We wanted to talk to young men. This is the month where we're 127 00:10:03.799 --> 00:10:07.480 looking at the life of men, in particular at doctors on last week and 128 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:13.200 we talked about different aspects of life from men, and so we wanted to 129 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:18.639 dive into young men's life. I'm no longer young, Pedro is almost past 130 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:22.639 being young, and the ladies are probably young I'm not gonna say anymore. 131 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:28.720 So we want to ask you a direct question. We want to ask Kalie 132 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:33.320 too when he comes back, and that is life as a young man. 133 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:41.120 How we do describe life as a young man living in London? I think 134 00:10:41.279 --> 00:10:54.440 life can be confusing if you don't have direction. Okay, I think I 135 00:10:54.480 --> 00:11:01.559 think it's hard right now, because I feel that life can point at least 136 00:11:01.759 --> 00:11:09.559 society can point in the wrong directions, because it can sometimes seem like the 137 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:16.200 wrong things are the right things to do, and like almost as if you 138 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:24.720 can justify giving certain things because people do it, other people do it all. 139 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:30.000 But I think as a man, I think what it takes to be 140 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:35.000 a man is to say, you know what, I know a better and 141 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:41.000 I'm willing to stand out from the crowd. And I think it's hard to 142 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:46.799 do that, definitely, But I think that's what it takes to stop being 143 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:50.360 a boy and become a man. Yeah, okay, I like that. 144 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:54.200 I like that, and and and Pedro as a man, we can identify 145 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:58.240 with that. At some stage in life we had to stand up and leave 146 00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:01.360 the crowd behind and say, you know what, bridging, We got to 147 00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:05.840 be our own individual man. Um. I don't know, Pedro. Maybe 148 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:09.799 I'm the only one that's been through that kind of thing. Um did that 149 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:13.919 did that penny drop for you? Oh? Definitely? Um. I think 150 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:20.200 what he's really saying is like pair pressure, the pressure to be It's hard 151 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:24.519 to be different and over here in the UK, yeah, um, they 152 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:28.720 say different. You can be different, but if you don't follow a certain 153 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:35.879 um path, then they kind of they kind of like don't help you or 154 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:41.440 they don't support you the way that you need to be supported. Would that 155 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:43.919 be fair, iron or in that sense or my little offer, I mean 156 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:50.480 if I am let me know, Um, I think I think you're about 157 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:58.159 right. Yeah. I think in regard to support, I think it's a 158 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:07.480 bit weird because sometimes I think sometimes you can get mixed up between do I 159 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:13.440 need support and do I just need to manna? And not in a not 160 00:13:13.519 --> 00:13:18.399 in a sense where I'd say, because I know men struggle and I've struggled 161 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:22.120 and whatnot. But it's a thing where sometimes we can get so caught up 162 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:28.919 in everyone else seems to get help sometimes we forget that, you know what, 163 00:13:30.759 --> 00:13:35.759 my life isn't that bad? Yeah, Like I can see God bless 164 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:41.679 me here here and here. I need to stop complaining and say, you 165 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:46.840 know what, let me just do what I can see where life takes Yeah. 166 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:50.679 Yeah, and I like that. I like that because we're preaching this 167 00:13:50.720 --> 00:13:54.519 morning, I made a big point about complaining. Um, you know, 168 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:58.039 especially when we're complaining with no solution. Um, we just complain for complaining 169 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:03.039 sake. And and last week we talked about the term man up except for 170 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:07.279 when it comes to responsibility and and and we we said that, you know, 171 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:11.960 sometimes man up could put a lot of unnecessary pressure on men. However, 172 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:16.519 when it comes to responsibility and taking control of your life, the statement 173 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:20.960 is not a bad statement. And that is to man up and and and 174 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:26.639 do that and and and own it and and work through it. M Callied 175 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:30.639 you there. Yeah, can you hear me? Yeah, we can hear 176 00:14:30.720 --> 00:14:33.679 you. Man, Hey, yeah, he oh Man. Listen, Man, 177 00:14:33.759 --> 00:14:37.399 I'm so honored that you're on with Ryan today. Um. This is 178 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:43.000 Talking Point and Adventist Radio London. UM, and Callied and I is really 179 00:14:43.039 --> 00:14:48.320 interesting. Um. We met in the gym. He's a lot fitter than 180 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:56.279 I am. Amen, and I think we're about the same. Yeah, 181 00:14:56.279 --> 00:14:58.879 I don't know. I don't say that. Don't say that they're gonna judge 182 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:03.240 you, man, don't say that. But listen, called man, um 183 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:07.720 on talking to you. I just found your story fascinating. With Ryan, 184 00:15:07.799 --> 00:15:11.600 we were just really talking about life and about manning up and all those kinds 185 00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:16.600 of things. Um, we have Zenia, Angela and Pedro who's my my 186 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:20.919 team that we host a program with that we're on right now, and um, 187 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:26.120 and we wanted to talk to young men about their experience. UM. 188 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:30.519 And you know you you you were very open and in sharing with me, 189 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:33.960 and I was so same with you. UM. I felt that we bonded 190 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:39.360 amen um in in in our discussions. Um, you're wearing my hat by 191 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:43.200 the way, UM, sorry, I actually had it on the show. 192 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:48.559 I had it on the show last week. Um. Um. He was 193 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:52.639 the one that created the design on the hat. So um. Yeah, 194 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:56.039 so we're wearing it proud and loud. They've been wearing it proud and loud. 195 00:15:56.080 --> 00:16:00.480 But listen, UM called real quick because I know you can't be with 196 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:06.120 us for the whole program. So how tell us about doing life? In 197 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:10.639 your experience? What was your experience like in doing life? Talk to me? 198 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:15.000 Okay, that's a very powerful question. I would say number one. 199 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:19.320 So that's great. I like it. I've raised that question. So it's 200 00:16:19.360 --> 00:16:23.600 like my parents are from Saddam, so it's like a different country, different 201 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:32.440 culture to the UK and growing up you when you're young, you don't realize 202 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:37.399 the differences that you have. You do to a small extent, to a 203 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:41.759 lesser extent, sorry, but you realize, oh, you're from another country, 204 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:45.480 you're black, Um, you could be like from a different religion or 205 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:52.600 whatnot as well, and you see differences, but you're kind of it's embraced 206 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:55.480 more when you're in primary school and stuff like that. I would say, 207 00:16:56.799 --> 00:17:00.840 so it's quite accepted. I felt quite accepted in primary school, and I 208 00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:10.000 think it's like through my life, through my particular experience. I think why 209 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:14.640 I got into trouble younger was that I was trying to apply for jobs and 210 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:21.079 I wasn't getting any any jobs. And then I think materialism got to me. 211 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:26.000 It was like the aspect of materialism was just too much for me to 212 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:30.680 handle, and I was too immature to kind of think, oh okay, 213 00:17:30.759 --> 00:17:34.839 let me be patient, let me go down this avenue. And it was 214 00:17:34.920 --> 00:17:40.640 just a place of anger. Like I was very angry as a young person 215 00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:45.079 as well. And also I noticed that my community, like the black community, 216 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:49.599 like we always it's always were always having problems with each other, Like 217 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:53.319 no one really smiled. You seem crazy if you're to smile. I smile 218 00:17:53.319 --> 00:17:56.440 at people all the time now. But when I was going up mad, 219 00:17:56.480 --> 00:17:59.960 like you can't smile at people. If you looked at someone too long, 220 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:03.559 stab you so like I've got stabbed at my fire when I was about fifteen, 221 00:18:04.119 --> 00:18:11.519 and I think my outlook was like okay, I wasn't I don't think 222 00:18:11.559 --> 00:18:15.240 I understood how like my belief in God wasn't that strong. It was strong 223 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:18.119 because I thought, yeah, God to help me to survive it and whatnot. 224 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:22.599 But it did. It made me. It made me not think. 225 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:26.480 Like what I realized now is probably the energy I was carrying at that time 226 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:30.319 was not positive energy, do you know what I mean. It's like more 227 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:36.000 of a negative type of energy that was kind of carrying around with me as 228 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:42.680 and I think that contributed towards the situations I'd get myself in. So I 229 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:48.119 was quite after that experience. I was quite an angry person. It wouldn't 230 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:52.759 take a lot for me to just go get get angry or do something to 231 00:18:52.839 --> 00:18:59.240 someone because I felt I was threatened continuously. I always looked over my shoulder 232 00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:03.119 walking around, just had that mentality from from that day I think I was 233 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:08.920 about fifteen, and then slowly like people as I was looking for a job, 234 00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:12.160 like everyone was kind of like selling drugs in the area and making money 235 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:17.279 through that avenue. So I saw that and I thought, okay, should 236 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:23.000 I was having thoughts about doing that and they wouldn't dabbled and stuff because I 237 00:19:23.039 --> 00:19:30.200 think I started smoking weed here and there. But I played basketball for Westminster 238 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:34.599 Warriors during that period. I think up until twelve, I played for Wembley 239 00:19:34.599 --> 00:19:41.079 Football Club as well, and Green Fatltic and Belmont And I think not having 240 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:47.599 sport in my life I think contributed negatively to me. So when I wasn't 241 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:52.680 doing sport, I was kind of up to no good. So yeah, 242 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:56.200 that's that's I think sport plays a huge role in your life, like it 243 00:19:56.319 --> 00:20:03.880 keeps you focused and just just keeps your mind, um occupied with bettering yourself 244 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:08.400 as well as that. It's that process of bettering yourself as well. Um 245 00:20:08.960 --> 00:20:12.559 that helped and I wouldn't. Yeah, so I've got into it. I 246 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:18.480 got arrested here and there. So I got arrested for just random things like 247 00:20:19.559 --> 00:20:26.839 shop I think shoplifting, like breaking into somewhere. Yeah, breaking into places, 248 00:20:27.400 --> 00:20:30.839 um, and then I ended up in prison I think the age of 249 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:34.440 twenty, So that was that was probably where I started to kind of change 250 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:38.480 my life. A lot more before that. I did that very academically well, 251 00:20:38.559 --> 00:20:44.400 like my parents quite strict, so like I always was, I always 252 00:20:44.440 --> 00:20:51.039 kind of was encouraged to do well academically. It was it was like a 253 00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:53.319 huge thing from my parents for us to go to university and stuff. So 254 00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:59.440 I think that's, um, that played a big part, like a big 255 00:20:59.519 --> 00:21:04.279 role in my life. Like I wasn't I wasn't ignorant about like I was 256 00:21:04.359 --> 00:21:15.440 quite aware of the social kind of sayings and also just just um just like 257 00:21:15.640 --> 00:21:18.480 kind of politically, I kind of knew what was going on, and I 258 00:21:18.599 --> 00:21:22.240 thought I kind of thought, I think when you're young, you just you 259 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:26.559 think, um, there's a lot of double standards. So I think due 260 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:32.119 to that, you just think, Okay, um, I'm gonna I'm gonna 261 00:21:32.200 --> 00:21:34.559 do whatever I want because there's a double standard, you know what I mean, 262 00:21:34.759 --> 00:21:40.519 So people aren't going to play by the rules. Um. For me, 263 00:21:40.599 --> 00:21:42.599 it was like on a on a like a global scale, like it 264 00:21:42.680 --> 00:21:47.240 was a bit. It was a bit. That's kind of what made me 265 00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:52.559 like kind of have a chiff on my shoulder, like, um, yeah. 266 00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:56.000 So I felt like in Brent particularly, I don't think like there was 267 00:21:56.039 --> 00:21:59.359 a lot of opportunities in the area as well. I think it's easier to 268 00:21:59.720 --> 00:22:03.319 do priming to like find a local job in your local area, and not 269 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:07.400 that I'm just not that I'm complaining about it. I really should have. 270 00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:11.359 Crime is not a way to kind of earn your money, do you know 271 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:14.559 what I mean? Like, I feel like when you're young, you just 272 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:18.640 think you you're very emotional. You think, Oh, if I don't get 273 00:22:18.920 --> 00:22:22.640 employment, I need to buy this. I need to keep up appearances. 274 00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:26.440 I need to buy these trainers. I need to um not look like I'm 275 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:32.880 for And I think like society plays a huge role in kind of like pushing 276 00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:40.599 that materialistic agenda as well. Like it's like it's like it's like you're you're 277 00:22:40.680 --> 00:22:45.960 valued more more on your status and how much money you have as opposed to 278 00:22:45.160 --> 00:22:48.759 what you can do to benefit your community. And I think that's wrong. 279 00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:52.599 And I think as I grew old, look kind of I realized that and 280 00:22:52.680 --> 00:23:00.440 this helped me to ground myself and care more about serving and building things. 281 00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:03.359 Then then how much money I can flaunce do you know what I mean? 282 00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:11.440 That's something that came slowly. Yeah, yeah, it's definitely. Yeah. 283 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:14.799 No, I was going to ask you a question on you said, you 284 00:23:14.839 --> 00:23:18.799 got arrested, you went to prison for the different very things that you did. 285 00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:23.400 You got stabbed at the age of fifteen. Yeah, but stabbing didn't 286 00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:29.039 make you change, you just made you more angry. Um yeah. Yeah. 287 00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:30.880 When I got stabbed, I thought, okay, the police, I 288 00:23:30.920 --> 00:23:33.160 was going to protect me. I need to protect myself. That was kind 289 00:23:33.160 --> 00:23:34.880 of my mind. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I get you and you're 290 00:23:34.880 --> 00:23:38.119 bleeding out. They're they're gonna do, They're gonna come, you know what 291 00:23:38.160 --> 00:23:42.960 I mean. But you think there's no point but yeah, so so, 292 00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:47.920 um you got you went to prison, and then you said that that kind 293 00:23:47.920 --> 00:23:52.480 of turned you around. How did that happen? Um? Yeah, I 294 00:23:52.519 --> 00:23:55.920 went to jail for robbery. I think prison, Yeah, robbery. Yeah, 295 00:23:56.240 --> 00:24:00.160 and um, it's from not being patient. It was them from that. 296 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:03.680 Like when I look back at it, it's because of it's because of 297 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:07.680 the fact that I wasn't patient enough too. Um, I wasn't relied on 298 00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:11.920 God enough. I feel, um, so I feel like that that will 299 00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:18.680 happen because I wasn't patient and I wasn't as reliant on God as I should 300 00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:22.240 have should have been. That was a huge lesson. I learned. Yeah, 301 00:24:22.279 --> 00:24:26.279 definitely. Yeah. So so you're in prison, U the penny dropped, 302 00:24:26.279 --> 00:24:30.440 you needed to make some changes along the way. How did it start? 303 00:24:30.880 --> 00:24:36.319 How did the change start to happen? Um? Well, I used 304 00:24:36.359 --> 00:24:38.440 to feel guilty because a lot of people in prison came out of care and 305 00:24:38.440 --> 00:24:42.039 stuff like that. I had my parents, So I felt kind of feeling 306 00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:47.799 because you're seeing people that have come from like real, real diet situations. 307 00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:51.079 And then I thought, as Okay, I wasn't in that bad of a 308 00:24:51.160 --> 00:24:53.519 situation for me to be doing what I was doing or thinking how I used 309 00:24:53.559 --> 00:24:57.880 to think, So that that was kind of one one like major point. 310 00:24:59.319 --> 00:25:03.160 Another point it was the fact that I felt as though there was more to 311 00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:07.799 life than just like making a lot of money in punting it, like I 312 00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:11.119 felt it was like a deeper meaning, like what what can I do to 313 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:15.440 benefit people? Shot them from doing the same things I did. So I 314 00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:19.079 felt very embarrassed the shames. Um, there's a lot of a lot of 315 00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:25.319 different things. And um I felt was that it wasn't me. It wasn't 316 00:25:25.400 --> 00:25:30.079 me, That wasn't me. Well how I felt it at the time, 317 00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:33.680 it wasn't who I felt I was as a person. Sort of just kind 318 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:40.559 of um, started to pursue our passions more like art, interesting things of 319 00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:45.960 that nature, and things that made me happy opposed to things that just come 320 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:49.000 out with a materialistic outcome. I was just looking at things that made me 321 00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:55.279 happy, like doing the things that made me happy. Hum. So sport 322 00:25:55.359 --> 00:25:59.519 played an active part when you came out of prison. Did you continue down 323 00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:03.240 to sport line? Um, I don't believe I did. Really. At 324 00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:07.599 first, I went to university because I think that's something my parents wouldn't be 325 00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:14.359 to do. So I did that. And then I think during university I 326 00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:18.440 joined the basketball team because I'm quite good. I played football in the majority 327 00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:22.279 of my life, but I've managed to get like played for the for the 328 00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:26.839 Westminster and stuff. I'm quite shure that I'm only five. You've seen me, 329 00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:30.079 Yeah, I've seen you. That was about I was going to ask 330 00:26:30.079 --> 00:26:33.799 you that question. How did you make it under the Westminister basketball tea? 331 00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:37.440 I have no idea, I have no idea. You must be good, 332 00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:41.319 you must be good. Yes, you must be good. So you you 333 00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:45.839 did basketball and know that you also do boxing. Yeah. No, I 334 00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:52.039 started that quite late, like about twenty six. And you wanted I'm just 335 00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:56.319 doing it. I haven't had my first bout was supposed to be for COVID 336 00:26:56.359 --> 00:27:00.079 and it's been extended until now, so I'm kind of just doing it to 337 00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:07.160 improve. I'm not looking for the final outcome, like to be Um blowing 338 00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:11.960 up from the spot or anything. I'm just kind of just learning the craft 339 00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:17.240 and understanding things, and I'm just learning about it. Really. Hold on, 340 00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:21.480 hold on, hold on. You said you're thirty one. H Man, 341 00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:23.480 you got to forgive me, man, I thought you were like twenty 342 00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:27.319 five. Yeah. No, do you want man? Oh man, I 343 00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:36.319 need to call you mister or so next time I see you. But but 344 00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:40.119 listen, man, Before I'm sure that the other panelists have some questions they 345 00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:44.519 want to ask Um you. But before I let you them talk to you, 346 00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:48.720 I just want to to ask you this question. How did I mean 347 00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:53.200 you're you're from a household that seems secure. You are from you you went 348 00:27:53.240 --> 00:27:56.440 to UNI. I mean, you need all the things that we would want 349 00:27:56.480 --> 00:28:00.680 all of our children to do, but yet you end it up in some 350 00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:07.079 real sticky situations. Yeah, I'm a parent, So from your parents' perspective, 351 00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:11.279 man, they must have been like perplexed or blaming themselves. How did 352 00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:17.599 your parents take all of this? I think they were very stressed. I 353 00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:22.440 think I stressed them out, especially because I'm the only like male as well 354 00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:26.559 so as I think I've got free systems, so really experienced these things with 355 00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:32.880 them. M I don't know. I think it's the location I lived in 356 00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:37.480 and just in a lot of different practice coming home, like ending up in 357 00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:41.519 hospital. I'm quite a head strong person, like I don't trouble people, 358 00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:45.880 but when people trouble me, like I'm one of those people I just can't 359 00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:49.279 let it go. But I'm starting to improve on that at the momentum. 360 00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:53.559 But I think that's what brought me into a little a lot of fights when 361 00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:59.440 I was younger. They were just stressed out. To be fair. There 362 00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:02.359 from Sedan, which is quite like a quiet country. It's like yeah, 363 00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:07.200 um, yeah, it's really quiet and relaxed. At the moment. There's 364 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:10.279 like a military too goes on. But yeah, that's like kind of like 365 00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:14.519 out of it's not really the house of that years, I would say. 366 00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:19.400 So it's like it's star to city in a city kind of surroundings, and 367 00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:23.839 they're quite shocked and I don't think they know how said that's to the situation. 368 00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:30.079 Yeah, yea, so they're probably very fit of like afraid. Yeah, 369 00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:33.680 I would say, probably fearful, But what could happen to me in 370 00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:37.000 things like that? They were definitely very angry at me as well because of 371 00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:41.759 the things I was doing. I'll climb out the window at night and just 372 00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:45.720 jump out of the window and try and meet my friends, will do whatever 373 00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:52.200 I wanted to do. So yeah, about I can't even imagine you round. 374 00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:55.480 I can't imagine that the guy I know now and you're telling me this, 375 00:29:55.720 --> 00:30:00.200 It's like really yeah, wow, wow, sick o pin And let's 376 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:03.440 ask the ladies and gents, what's going through your mind? Is clily speaking, 377 00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:10.359 what's going through your mind? Ladies and gents? Are you here? 378 00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:12.799 Oh? I was just going to ask thank you Keared for sharing your skin 379 00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:18.480 of your story. You spoke about obviously your upbringing and how you know your 380 00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:22.400 parents in the quite a secure unit by the sounds of things. So obviously 381 00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:23.880 you said that there was a bit of a defining moment when you're in prison 382 00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:26.519 and you thought I cares a bit more to life and what have you. 383 00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:30.440 Where did that kind of come from? I mean, was that a case 384 00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:34.079 of you've now got time to think and reflect a lot. You know, 385 00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:38.279 were these the kind of values that your parents instilled in you? You know 386 00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:41.680 what kind of influence and sort of impact, because sometimes and I was talking 387 00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:45.440 to something to day and they're saying, you know, sometimes children are talking 388 00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:48.720 things, and no matter what sort of path they kind of go on, 389 00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:52.319 often those things that they're taught as a child remain with them and at some 390 00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:55.519 point it may come back to them. I was wondering whether that was something 391 00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:59.359 for you, you know, was it reflection of your your your parents phraised 392 00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:03.440 you. But you eventually came back and had a realization, actually there is 393 00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:08.000 more to life and I could be doing something better and different. One thing 394 00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:12.000 I'd say is that is very true as well. I've always had like certain 395 00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:15.839 values instilled in me, so I knew what I was doing was wrong, 396 00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:19.279 and I just felt like, Okay, I would always make excuses, like 397 00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:22.559 I would make excuses for myself, so I'll be like, Okay, this 398 00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:26.480 didn't happen for me, so I'm going to do this or and it's like 399 00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:33.880 coming from a place of stupidity because it's just the right decision making. And 400 00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:40.119 I think it stopped my right decision making, and it made me think long 401 00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:45.480 terms, so I started to think from short terms to more long term and 402 00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:52.599 also like being thankful for just having a good like a family that kind of 403 00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:57.359 always taught me to do good things and stuff like that, not to take 404 00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:05.599 drugs or drink or anything like that. So it's like it's like drink accessibly 405 00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:09.200 do whatever. Really, um So I've always I've always had that, so 406 00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:15.079 I knew I had to be Yeah, I would say definitely that I had 407 00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:20.279 had a lot of a lot like characteristics and values and snorted me. But 408 00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:23.240 um so I was more thankful when I was looking at other people who have 409 00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:29.000 come from like Clostom and things like that. We've had like really traumatic lives 410 00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:32.359 as well, like two hundred times worse than my lives my life, and 411 00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:39.279 it kind of gave me less excuses to do anything outrageous as well. So 412 00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:44.519 it's just it grounded me a lot, made me a lot more thankful. 413 00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:52.359 And I would definitely agree about having time, real time to seek your skills, 414 00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:55.720 your passions and things of that nature. To read a little bit more 415 00:32:55.759 --> 00:33:01.160 because before that I wasn't reading, so I stopped it in because at that 416 00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:04.720 age I was thinking, why am I going to read read? It's not 417 00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:07.759 going to give me any it's not going to maybe money. So it was 418 00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:15.400 that mind frame of just putting money before everything, like before my my sleep 419 00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:20.519 for anything, like money just came before everything, and that was kind of 420 00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:25.039 brainwashed into me from my local surroundings how people respected me as a person. 421 00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:30.440 Um. So yeah, yeah, that change. I think when I stopped 422 00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:37.200 putting money before before everything, I think that's when I started to realize, 423 00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:40.920 oh okay, let me do wow, let me do this. And it's 424 00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:45.640 like I wasn't. It's like I was a slave to to what people thought 425 00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:50.279 of me before that. So yeah, yeah, that's why I would kind 426 00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:53.720 of that's how I would answer your question. I like, I like what 427 00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:58.039 you said, man, you thought you were a slave to what people thought 428 00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:00.279 about you. And that's big because I mean, I know, I went 429 00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:05.599 through it in my adolescence in early twenties and even actually you know, when 430 00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:07.719 I got to UNI myself, which was late it was like twenty six and 431 00:34:07.800 --> 00:34:12.960 on, and it, you know, it was more about what people thought 432 00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:15.079 about me, you know. And of course I was studying theology, so 433 00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:19.960 I was going to go into ministry or teaching religion or something along those lines. 434 00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:21.960 And then I thought, well, you know, I needed to be 435 00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:24.400 that person that everyone looks up to, you know, that kind of role. 436 00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:28.199 And I was really trying to play the role. I'd walk around school 437 00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:30.320 with a Bible on my chest and you know, and then all that kind 438 00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:34.679 of stuff, trying to play the role because I wanted to look like what 439 00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:40.519 people thought I should be. And it's really interesting because God kind of knocked 440 00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:45.440 all of that down for me by going through some of the same trials you 441 00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:47.440 went through, and that is, you know, being arrested and all the 442 00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:51.920 rest of it, you know, trying stuff, getting addicted to things, 443 00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:54.320 and then hitting rock bottom and all of a sudden, now, guess what, 444 00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:59.639 I don't look like a preacher should really look and I don't look like 445 00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:05.599 a a religious leader should really look and uh. And that's what really kind 446 00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:08.280 of shaped my ministry was when I got to the point where you got to, 447 00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:12.440 and that is, you know what, I'm going to do this the 448 00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:15.320 way it's supposed to be done. Um, I don't want and nobody is 449 00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:19.719 going to make me a slave to their thoughts or their thinking and uh, 450 00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:22.079 and that picked me up. Then you're also on your mind. What's going 451 00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:27.559 through your mind? Um, callen, thank you. That's there's just so 452 00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:30.679 much to unpack out of what you've what you've shared, UM, and a 453 00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:37.960 few things have have struck out for me, uh, materialism and pastor you 454 00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:42.199 said it again in another way, it's it's imagery, you know, putting 455 00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:45.800 on a front, putting on an image and not really looking at the character 456 00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:49.719 of a man. And um, and I think that ought to be the 457 00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:52.880 most important so for me, Calin, I mean, if you could sum 458 00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:57.760 up as I said, I've taken a few um, looking at a character 459 00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:00.639 more than the material things and the out the outward appearance of a man. 460 00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:07.559 And you talked about having an outlet though your thought sports was was very important, 461 00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:10.440 um, and useful for you in terms of having somewhere to go and 462 00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:15.239 something to do. UM. Is that some of the advice you'll give if 463 00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:19.239 you were talking to two young men or younger men now, because I know 464 00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:22.880 you're still it's so very much a young man. But if you were looking 465 00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:28.360 to to someone coming behind you, UM, what would you say, very 466 00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:35.719 much a young man twenty five? Did you say sorry? M But what 467 00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:37.239 would you say to them? Then? Um, is that kind of kind 468 00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:43.400 of along those lines that you you'd go, yeah, a really good question, 469 00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:45.880 man. Um. The thing is, yeah, it's like we all 470 00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:51.639 like everyone wants to be a sheep, Like you can set your own standards. 471 00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:54.880 And I would say, don't be afraid to be you like ways afraid 472 00:36:54.880 --> 00:37:02.000 to be ourselves. It's really weird. Um. Um, Like, look 473 00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:08.400 for people that can get you into places, um like me, given someone 474 00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:13.599 a reference for a job or helping them out in whatever field they want to 475 00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:19.599 partake in, could change their life. Like, so I would yeah, 476 00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:23.480 exactly, Um, I would want people my age to really reach back and 477 00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:29.440 be more m just give more advice. It doesn't have to be like giving 478 00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:32.119 them opportunity, but you can give them their advice the tools they need to 479 00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:37.159 get to where they are, get to where they need to be. Yeah. 480 00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:40.719 Um, I feel like if people do that, but then they'll see 481 00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:44.880 real changes and it will help them as well, Like it will help it 482 00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:50.840 will help me maybe in the future as well, because every everything I would 483 00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:57.119 I would say, like want somebody else is in a good situation. They 484 00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:00.840 can put you in a good situation in whatever way they can. So I 485 00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:05.960 would say we like I would say to them, reach out to people that 486 00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:09.119 are doing the things that they like, the things that they're interested in within 487 00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:14.760 the community, and don't be afraid to do that. Yeah, definitely, 488 00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:22.719 thank you so much. Pedro Pedro, Now Kaled Pedro Pedro is a gangster 489 00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:27.079 from New York. We're reforming him here on the program. You know, 490 00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:32.800 he's he can identify with everything you said. I just don't know. I'm 491 00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:37.280 sitting here like I'm gonna tell you about now, dude. Like as Ryan 492 00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:42.960 said earlier, you use that phrase like you you manned up. Yeah, 493 00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:45.519 you manned up. That's pretty much. Thank you. Ryan. You know 494 00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:49.199 what you had to do, you had you said, you know what, 495 00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:52.000 I'm gonna stop making excuises. I'm gonna do what I gotta do for myself. 496 00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:55.599 Yeah. Um, everything you just said it was like my life story. 497 00:38:57.039 --> 00:39:00.519 Wow, grew up. I was one of them. You're the left 498 00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:02.800 of ten. Move to the States, had that same issue of trying to 499 00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:07.519 fit in, trying to have what people think about me, got into drugs, 500 00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:10.840 got into gangs, got into all the different things, got into trouble, 501 00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:15.599 was just causing trouble for my mother. Everything you just said just like 502 00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:20.119 brought up all this emotion in me because it's just exactly like the life that 503 00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:22.519 I led. And at some point then I realized that I got to stop 504 00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:27.159 and I had all got in my life, I had all the instills in 505 00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:31.119 my life, and I'm just man, I'm just real proud of you, 506 00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:37.159 man, because it takes a lot for people to admit when they are when 507 00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:42.280 they have faults, especially men, and to say, look, this is 508 00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:45.679 my fault. And then it takes even more of a man because you didn't 509 00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:46.960 really mention this, but I have a feeling that you went to your parents 510 00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:51.039 and apologized. You went to people that you may have heard in the past 511 00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:53.679 and apologized, and that takes a lot so a man to do that too, 512 00:39:54.039 --> 00:39:55.880 to say, look, I know I did this, but I'm a 513 00:39:55.880 --> 00:40:00.440 different person. And then it takes time for them to realize that you are 514 00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:05.400 a different person, because they probably think of you still as that troublemaker back 515 00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:08.039 in the day. But then as you show them that you're changing your ways, 516 00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:10.760 then they start to see the change in you, and then they start 517 00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:15.719 to treat you differently. Try they start to help you more and support you 518 00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:19.559 more, and now you're not stressing them like you user stress them. So 519 00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:22.559 like, just listening to you, man, it just brought back so much 520 00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:25.559 emotion because there's other people like you out there. Because I'm like that. 521 00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:30.599 I was just like, I'm forty seven and right around your age too. 522 00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:35.400 That's when I realized, right around my late twenties early thirties, I realized 523 00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:37.599 that I have the man up and just take responsibility for all the things I've 524 00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:40.960 done. Stop blaming everybody else for the things I've done. It's nobody else 525 00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:45.519 has felt by my own and just try to put like you said that that 526 00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:49.639 you had that negative energy, you not had that positive energy, and it 527 00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:52.880 just floats over you. Yeah, with every word you say, it just 528 00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:55.320 feels positive. It just feels like you know, not many men are gonna 529 00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:58.719 be like, oh, I'm gonna go give a guy reference because if I 530 00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:01.039 give him a reference is going to help me down the road. You're not 531 00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:05.400 doing it because you want something in return. You're doing it because you just 532 00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:10.159 want to be positive for somebody else's life. Yeah. Yeah, So yeah, 533 00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:13.400 that's all I got to say. I'm just like, yeah, just 534 00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:16.960 definitely Yeah. Went home hard way hard kelled one of our one of our 535 00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:21.159 listeners, and I'm coming to Ryan, Ryan, I need after I read 536 00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:23.840 this, I want you to comment on what Kelly It has said as a 537 00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:28.760 young man, Amen, as a young man living in this society and hearing 538 00:41:28.760 --> 00:41:30.519 his story. So let me read what someone is just sent in. Thank 539 00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:36.800 you for your openness. I'm glad that you were academically sound from your parents 540 00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:44.679 encouragement and strength. The time you spent in prison seemed to build your character 541 00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:53.800 in more positive ways, and you were able to examine your life and the 542 00:41:53.920 --> 00:42:00.480 project aspect of your family and turned around, so to speak. I'm glad 543 00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:08.119 that you started to reflect on the future and built plans to improve your skills. 544 00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:15.199 Well done for your accomplishing a degree. Um. It just shows that 545 00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:22.920 it's never too late to move forward positively. And uh and and that that's 546 00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:28.679 a powerful um. Thank you for sending that into us here at talking point, 547 00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:31.199 Ryan, I'm looking at you on my screen and I'm coming at you 548 00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:37.559 like a train coming fast and about to hit you hard. You heard callidum 549 00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:42.920 and and and and by the way, by the way, UM, I 550 00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:45.960 just want to say that he's not saying he's perfect, Amen, He's gonna 551 00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:51.400 say he's perfect, um, But he is a work in progress or in 552 00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:57.119 process. But but Ryan, what about you? What listen to what he 553 00:42:57.119 --> 00:43:00.880 said? What hits you the most? Listening to what either has said has 554 00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:06.800 touched me a little bit because it's like, I am I feel like I'm 555 00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:10.039 on a similar road in a sense where I feel like I'm at a crossroads 556 00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:19.480 now of am I a new person or am I still who everyone knows me 557 00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:22.159 as? And it's sort of like when you talk to people and say, 558 00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:25.480 oh, yeah, I change my life now, and some people are like, 559 00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:29.159 Wow, it's so amazing to hear, and then some people are like, 560 00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:34.239 come on, it's huge, you know, and it's like, whoa, 561 00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:38.360 I'm as much as it's so hard to change my life or to change 562 00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:43.880 your life, for anyone to change their life is like I'm trying, yeah, 563 00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:45.960 and that's that's that's what we can do. And we still slip up. 564 00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:53.000 We don't make mistakes. But it's like trying is what's so important to 565 00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:55.480 say? Do you know what? Yeah? I know this isn't it. 566 00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:00.800 I noticed, this is a consequence. I know this doesn't have any good 567 00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:05.440 impacts on me, my friends, my family, So why am I going 568 00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:12.239 to do? It's? Um so I'm just here like, yeah, I 569 00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:16.800 know that going to I went to UNI for one year for the game another 570 00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:22.719 but I know I went to UNI for all the wrong reasons because I went 571 00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:28.719 to UNI to to to live the UNI life, to speak. So everyone 572 00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:32.840 says it to go and have fun and whatnot. And I keep saying to 573 00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:38.199 everyone, I'm going back to you, and the people laugh and say it's 574 00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:42.039 been how long? And I say, no, I'm going back to UNI. 575 00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:46.280 I just need to get to a place in myself where I'm going for 576 00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:50.719 the right reason. I'm going to study, I'm going to lie. I'm 577 00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:55.760 going to create opportunities for myself because I need to do better for myself because 578 00:44:55.760 --> 00:45:00.400 I come from like Chari said, I come from a don't I come from 579 00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:05.039 a loving family. I don't. I don't have excuses to say, oh, 580 00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:08.239 I was struggling and I needed to do X, Y and Z. 581 00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:13.519 I don't. I can't make those excuses. I can't justify anything. So 582 00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:15.519 I need to say, do you know what, Yeah, I got little 583 00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:22.559 sisters and the little brother and the younger cousins that we'll look up to me, 584 00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:27.039 and I need to do better for them. I need to do better 585 00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:30.239 for my parents who have worked so hard to give me the life of that. 586 00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:36.960 So it's sort of like a yeah, I know that as tempting as 587 00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:43.599 Yeah, a lot of things that I used to do are but not even 588 00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:47.119 that's not the directional going. Yeah, we keep straight and keep like he 589 00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:52.079 said, building towards the future. Yeah yeah, yeah, you know, 590 00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:57.360 Ryan, And it's great to hear what you're saying, man, because the 591 00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:01.320 change that you're making, or have made or began to make is definitely a 592 00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:07.320 positive one. And and and you know, I'm listening to what you're saying 593 00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:13.760 because you know what I'm I came out of jail and went to UNI at 594 00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:17.199 twenty six, and I remember in America. I went to America and it 595 00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:21.519 was eighteen year old people in the class. Eighteen year old people in the 596 00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:28.360 class. And they used to call me a senior memory in my class man, 597 00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:30.239 And that used to get to me, you know what I mean, 598 00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:34.320 because the eighteen year olds are doing their thing and I'm sitting there. And 599 00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:38.639 then they made me the president of the Senior Society in the UNI. Now 600 00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:42.480 they're thinking it's something good that they did. I'm thinking, Man, I 601 00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:45.480 don't leave this place. Man, I'm every class I go to is reminded 602 00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:47.199 me that I'm too old to do this and I'm too old to do that. 603 00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:53.039 But one of the things is man is is I had never had the 604 00:46:53.119 --> 00:47:00.360 opportunity to really live the dream I wanted to live. And being there UNI, 605 00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:04.880 particularly in America, I saw the dream begin to unfold in front of 606 00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:07.519 me, and I said, you know what, I'm gonna stay the course. 607 00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:12.239 I'm gonna stay the course and I'm gonna move forward. And you know 608 00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:19.280 what, I think it was thirty one is when I actually graduated with all 609 00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:22.199 of these all of these young people, and I didn't go to my graduation 610 00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:28.639 because I had to speak for the Youth Congress in UM in Saint Louis. 611 00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:30.719 I didn't go to my graduation because I was like, well, I wasn't 612 00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:36.480 embarrassed, but I was happy because I got through what I started and I 613 00:47:36.519 --> 00:47:39.920 hadn't never done that before, you know, And and that gave me impetus 614 00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:45.960 to keep on reaching for greater things to do. So my word to you 615 00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:49.920 is, man, you started, you say you're gonna go back. If 616 00:47:49.960 --> 00:47:52.519 that's you, if that's where your play is in life, go back, 617 00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:55.880 but don't go back from mom, and don't go back for aunties and uncles 618 00:47:55.920 --> 00:48:00.239 and everybody else. Go back because Ryan wants to make or be the best 619 00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:05.960 person Ryan wants to be. And I love what you're saying about because your 620 00:48:06.079 --> 00:48:10.199 example of going back and accomplishing what you want to accomplish, you'd be amazed 621 00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:15.679 that you're killing two birds with one stone. Your aunties, your uncle's, 622 00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:22.599 your mom and dad, and all the folk. They will be blessed by 623 00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:27.000 what you have accomplished. So yeah, yeah, yeah, take your time, 624 00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:29.559 do you think, But if you're if you're in your heart you want 625 00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:30.639 to go back and accomplish that, then go and do it. You know 626 00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:34.320 what I mean. Don't feel bad about that. Go do it. Don't 627 00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:36.559 don't think about what other people would say, because we don't want to be 628 00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:38.519 a slave of other man's thoughts. And if there's anything I want our young 629 00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:42.599 people to pick up from this program is that we don't want to be a 630 00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:46.039 slave to other people's thoughts about us. Kali come back in. I know 631 00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:49.920 you gotta go. I know you're juggling about fifteen different things at the same 632 00:48:49.960 --> 00:48:52.599 time. So what do you got to say before you run away from us? 633 00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:57.079 Man? Yeah? Yeah, I just wanted to thank everybody as well, 634 00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:01.000 Like your stories are great as well. Ray Um sorry in regards to 635 00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:09.239 that, um so one second, Um sorry right is it Ryan Yan? 636 00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:15.480 Yeah? Yeah, So basically that's amazing that you've you've done one year. 637 00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:20.760 I don't think you should be discouraging any sort of way because as forwards though, 638 00:49:21.639 --> 00:49:24.719 you can always educate yourself, Like UNI isn't always the root for everybody 639 00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:29.440 else. There's a lot of successful people that didn't go to UNI, And 640 00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:34.400 I would say, um, do something that you're passionate about and re read 641 00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:37.199 up on it as well. So if you're if you're going to go into 642 00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:42.880 the second year or so, um, just just um kind of read books 643 00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:46.639 about what you want to do in that and don't let the dy syllabus or 644 00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:53.079 whatever deter you from being creative in your own way and bring something bring a 645 00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:59.400 piece of your personality to the course as well. So I don't don't think 646 00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:02.840 that you have to just fit in with everybody, um in regards to the 647 00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:07.159 projects that they're doing or anything like that. Just be a very just dream 648 00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:10.719 big, dream as big as you can dream as bigger, and don't don't 649 00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:19.400 let anyone's opinions or their thoughts um, damping, damping your spirit in any 650 00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:24.480 way because you you've probably got huge potential and you don't want you don't want 651 00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:30.480 to miss out on that potential. Trust me, And yeah, you seem 652 00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:32.559 like you've got good heading your shoulders and I know there's going to be greatness. 653 00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:38.320 To be thinking like that at your ages is a great blessing. And 654 00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:43.039 I feel like, don't look at any other people that are running the race. 655 00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:46.599 So it's easy to look behind people think, oh, I went to 656 00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:52.239 UNI with these two people and they're ahead of me in life like they've gone, 657 00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:57.360 they've got they've done better in their careers, whatever. Just that comparison, 658 00:50:58.039 --> 00:51:01.119 um, it will stop you from being great. So I would say, 659 00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:06.760 don't compare yourself for anybody that has maybe started the course and finished it. 660 00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:09.079 You may go on to do great, great things outside of UNI. 661 00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:14.320 A UNI is just a qualification. What you bring as a person is more 662 00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:19.079 valuable, and what you can offer the world is way more valuable than with 663 00:51:19.159 --> 00:51:22.920 the qualification itself. So UM, I would I would say, keep the 664 00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:27.599 knowledge in your in your mind and your heart and don't let that, don't 665 00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:35.519 let the qualification keeping your value Like yeah, yeah, I love that love. 666 00:51:36.159 --> 00:51:37.760 I love that before Colley goes anything, you want to respond in say 667 00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:42.519 Ryan to what is just said to you? Um, thank you. I 668 00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:47.400 hear that. I hear that because it's definitely like I always I was pretty 669 00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:52.800 good in school, but I used to just go and sit a test and 670 00:51:52.880 --> 00:52:00.360 pass test. Wow, And I didn't really I didn't put my all into 671 00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:06.239 my subjects because it was just might just go school when I'm smile, passl 672 00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:10.519 ornot and unly saw it hit me where I will, like, you don't 673 00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:15.440 go you need just and just sit on pass. You have to care about 674 00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:19.480 your subject And I said, and I said to myself, you know yeah, 675 00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:22.519 I definitely do need to bring something to say. Do you know what 676 00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:27.400 I'm not? I could be so much more than just an average student. 677 00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:32.239 So it's I have to believe in myself. But not only that, I 678 00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:36.199 have to put the working and I have to put me in and I have 679 00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:38.920 to to learn as much as I can and say, you know what, 680 00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:45.039 I'm passionate about this, so I will do it and wherever it takes me 681 00:52:46.239 --> 00:52:50.719 will be good because do you know what, I put my hole in and 682 00:52:50.719 --> 00:52:54.239 and go doing control so it will all be fine. Yeah, yeah, 683 00:52:54.280 --> 00:53:00.400 wonderful. Um, someone just send a message in saying, um, this 684 00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:07.719 life is a battle in a march. Keep moving positively. And that's for 685 00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:13.159 you Ryan, because it's never too late. You can accomplish your dreams. 686 00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:17.239 It's never too and we're going to thank you for sending that in great encouragement 687 00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:22.119 today rolling in for these two young men. Amen, young men, young 688 00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:27.719 men. One one not so young but one one and young Amen, I'm 689 00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:30.519 not younger. To go ahead, and you're gonna say something I was just 690 00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:34.440 gonna say. I also wants to recognize just what was happening right there. 691 00:53:34.639 --> 00:53:38.800 Yeah, just by you know, encouraging and men speaking young men's old men 692 00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:46.000 speaking to each other and encouraging each other. Old men. Yeah, old 693 00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:57.440 man, old man there to slip. That's alright. That moving away from 694 00:53:57.480 --> 00:54:01.920 the point. Timemaking is about to men talking to each other and encouraging each 695 00:54:01.960 --> 00:54:05.719 other and supporting each other. Because one of the things that we you know, 696 00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:08.639 we haven't really touching it much here is sometimes that men sometimes don't necessarily 697 00:54:08.639 --> 00:54:12.480 feel like they're being supported by other men, or they feel like they can't 698 00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:15.679 talk to each other and share about what's going on for them, and actually, 699 00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:19.599 right here, we're seeing Colored encouraging Ryan, Ryan encouraging Colored. So 700 00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:22.039 I think it's really important to recognize that. You know, Internachell's Men's Day 701 00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:27.039 theme was men leading by example, and you know we're seeing that in action 702 00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:30.440 right here. So I just want to recognize that and encourage that to keep 703 00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:37.119 happening for men of all ages. You know what, man, you know, 704 00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:38.480 let me just say this, but listeners, that there. You know, 705 00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:42.719 Andrew is very sly you see, I actually just dropped that in, 706 00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:49.719 you know, I mean very slime manow the shame point. Sorry, sorry, 707 00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:52.199 Zenia, did you say something? He made an excellent point. Let's 708 00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:58.679 and get lost and I'm gonna play qualitive with this one. No, but 709 00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:00.480 I know, I mean the point is well taken, and that is as 710 00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:04.119 men, we don't talk. We don't seem to talk to each other about 711 00:55:04.119 --> 00:55:07.480 real issues, and we don't seem to we seem to bottle things up. 712 00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:10.159 So that was a great exchange to see, and I think that's what people 713 00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:15.519 are responding to when we're reading these comments. They're actually seeing young men speaking. 714 00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:20.599 Kelly, I can't let you go, So tell her whoever waiting on 715 00:55:20.639 --> 00:55:23.239 you, that you can't go because because I want to. I want to 716 00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:28.400 ask you and Ryan this question, if you don't mind, we got a 717 00:55:28.440 --> 00:55:32.039 problem in our society now with gunna, knife crime. There's a problem. 718 00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:37.840 Everyone's packing something, everyone's got a knife. I'm sure called it sounds like 719 00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:40.880 you were carrying something at one stage in your life. And Ryan, I 720 00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:45.199 don't know if you've ever been involved in that kind of thing. But but 721 00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:49.599 guys, how can we help this generation? Man? And on top of 722 00:55:49.599 --> 00:55:52.760 that, we're killing each other on the standpoint, then we're killing ourselves because 723 00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:59.159 suicide amongst young men is very high. So how can we do? How 724 00:55:59.199 --> 00:56:00.280 can we help? Talk to me? Guys? What what's going through your 725 00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:06.599 mind? Let's going first, either one of your man okay, Um, 726 00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:10.599 I'll give two points. Um more like more community projects, I would say, 727 00:56:10.639 --> 00:56:15.440 like the end things that temporary where we live. I would say as 728 00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:21.159 well, like keeping busy, Keeping busy h definitely stops you from walking around 729 00:56:21.199 --> 00:56:25.000 with those kind of things, because, um, when you're busy and you're 730 00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:30.360 in the environments, you keep so if you're around people, it's like, 731 00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:32.679 well like I do fashion songs, Like around people, I do fashion. 732 00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:37.119 Yeah, you'll see scissors around, but no one's in the staggage other, 733 00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:42.039 right, do you know what I mean? So it's like, um, 734 00:56:42.440 --> 00:56:46.280 the environment you keep around yourself as well as say that. Okay, so 735 00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:52.719 the community, the environment, um you know of course you know you're in 736 00:56:52.800 --> 00:56:55.440 fashion, so that's basically keeping you focus. So one of the ideas is 737 00:56:55.440 --> 00:57:00.239 to stay focused, um on on what is important, his priority and what 738 00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:04.480 is dreams, et cetera. I get that, get that run what's going 739 00:57:04.519 --> 00:57:12.440 through your head? I think I think a lot of things about this. 740 00:57:12.559 --> 00:57:22.480 I think firstly, I think we need to take away the crime from the 741 00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:29.199 knife in a sense, like as in automatically, when you think of a 742 00:57:29.280 --> 00:57:34.199 knife, you think of stabbing and bad think someone. But man is a 743 00:57:34.280 --> 00:57:40.159 tool for the kitchen. And I think cooking is amazing. Yeah, cooking 744 00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:44.719 is when you cook. And the video is good, it's signed, it's 745 00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:47.159 sign special. I think you sound like it, sound like your mom is 746 00:57:47.199 --> 00:57:55.280 a good anyway, great. I think I think you need to I think 747 00:57:58.199 --> 00:58:05.639 I think we need to educate more on that. Okay. Lots of things 748 00:58:05.920 --> 00:58:09.239 are dangerous. Lots of things can be used the wrong way, the same 749 00:58:09.280 --> 00:58:13.719 way he said, you have scissors, but non's on a stabbum with decisions 750 00:58:14.159 --> 00:58:16.760 is that you shouldn't even we should get to a place where, yeah, 751 00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:21.679 a knife isn't thought of for stabbing someone. A knife is for looking and 752 00:58:21.920 --> 00:58:24.440 using the kitchen, and it stays in the kitchen. And not only that, 753 00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:32.639 I think also, um, I think, yeah, we need more 754 00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:38.039 community, we need to feel more safe. I think we need to move 755 00:58:38.079 --> 00:58:45.440 away from the idea that life is so hard for black people and they can't 756 00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:49.960 make it unless they work ten times harder, and even still they would never 757 00:58:50.039 --> 00:58:54.519 be as successful as a white person or an Asian person or whatnot. I 758 00:58:54.599 --> 00:59:02.639 think it's quite It puts into head already like you're you're that's ingrained into your 759 00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:06.400 chip on your shoulder, Like, oh, I already can't make it, 760 00:59:06.480 --> 00:59:12.840 but you are capable of anything. To get what I'm saying anything. So 761 00:59:12.840 --> 00:59:15.920 it's like as soon as you start to when once you start to realize that 762 00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:21.079 being capable of anything means so much more than just being rich or being a 763 00:59:21.199 --> 00:59:24.320 drunk or being the coolest guy on the block, when it means you could 764 00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:29.880 be a physicist, a doctor, a lawyer, a teacher, whatever you 765 00:59:29.920 --> 00:59:35.920 want. Yeah, and that, but that also requires hard work and determination, 766 00:59:35.960 --> 00:59:38.960 and it doesn't matter your race, because white people who are teachers or 767 00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:43.880 who are doctors, they worked hard to get Asian people they worked hard to 768 00:59:43.920 --> 00:59:46.000 get where they are. So it's a thing where it's like, yeah, 769 00:59:46.039 --> 00:59:52.599 you need to stop thinking or because I'm black, I need to work irregardless. 770 00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:55.760 You have to work hard, irregardless. And yeah, I won't say 771 00:59:55.760 --> 01:00:00.119 it's not a bit. I wouldn't say it's not harder for black people or 772 01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:02.800 whatnot. But the opportunities are there. The world is different. The world 773 01:00:02.920 --> 01:00:08.280 is a much better place than it used to be. So it's a don't 774 01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:12.239 look and think, oh I can't do it, just think and I will 775 01:00:12.800 --> 01:00:16.360 and I'll continue to do my best. And once you realized that, then 776 01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:21.800 the street seems so much less attractive, the knife crime, the gang, 777 01:00:22.280 --> 01:00:28.440 it is so much less attractive. You don't even you feel like, why 778 01:00:28.440 --> 01:00:30.559 would I even want to be there? Yeah, yeah, it's true. 779 01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:36.119 It's true. And Ryan, you know what you said is is very very 780 01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:38.679 important. You know, we can we can look at the negatives all day 781 01:00:38.679 --> 01:00:43.440 long. We can, we can spend time focusing on negatives all day long. 782 01:00:43.480 --> 01:00:46.440 But the reality, man, the reality is is that you know, 783 01:00:47.199 --> 01:00:53.199 we've got to say to ourselves the disadvantages should be the fuel that push us 784 01:00:53.239 --> 01:00:58.239 forward and and and move us into and and you know, Kelled said, 785 01:00:58.480 --> 01:01:01.800 now he's into fashion and and and you know he's he's wearing the hoodie that 786 01:01:01.840 --> 01:01:05.880 I that that that that that's my hoodie. But he just didn't have my 787 01:01:05.960 --> 01:01:08.440 size amy and and the hat to go with it. And he's got all 788 01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:13.199 this stuff that he's making and then putting out there, and and and he 789 01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:15.519 could have easily come out of prison and say, you know what, I 790 01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:19.800 won't get employed. You know, I'm black, I won't get employed because 791 01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:22.519 I've got a I've got a criminal record. He could have said all those 792 01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:27.280 things, but instead it seems like you decided that you're not gonna leave your 793 01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:31.280 employment up to somebody else. You're gonna employ yourself, and you're gonna get 794 01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:36.679 it deep into what you gotta do and at the same time help your communiti 795 01:01:36.679 --> 01:01:38.199 as you move forward. And maybe wrong, but talk to me, Kelled. 796 01:01:39.639 --> 01:01:44.679 Yeah, that's that's that's a good point. Um definitely, um I 797 01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:47.280 did. I'm not gonna lion say I didn't have those toughs that was playing 798 01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:53.039 in my mind every day. I did think like that, But luckily, 799 01:01:53.480 --> 01:02:00.880 um I was able to persevere like UM. Just true. I think Crue, 800 01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:07.840 you're surrounding so if what it is, it's like so, I think 801 01:02:07.840 --> 01:02:13.159 the people around you will will help you. Like if you're in that situation, 802 01:02:13.199 --> 01:02:16.280 if you've got a good support system of friends like going to try and 803 01:02:16.320 --> 01:02:23.599 give you opportunities, or UM told you not to give up, then you're 804 01:02:23.679 --> 01:02:29.480 you're very lucky because it is easy to have that mind framement to think okay, 805 01:02:29.719 --> 01:02:31.920 because a lot like in prison, you meet like people that are like 806 01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:37.519 successful criminals and they will be able to give you drugs, not UM. 807 01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:40.199 So you for you to say no, and you've got more opportunities and and 808 01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:49.239 you've got more opportunities in criminal activities then you do with actual like legal legal 809 01:02:49.239 --> 01:02:52.079 opportunities. So it takes us like a strong mind. You need to be 810 01:02:52.159 --> 01:02:58.679 set in your ways to not UM, to not be like UM, to 811 01:02:59.039 --> 01:03:06.400 not have that do not return to that way. I'm thinking, so yeah, 812 01:03:06.639 --> 01:03:10.719 I definitely agree, and I think that UM you touched some great points 813 01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:16.559 you and Ryan about not feeling sorry for ourselves and always just thinking what can 814 01:03:16.599 --> 01:03:22.559 be done instead of looking at the negatives because we understand, like we understand 815 01:03:22.639 --> 01:03:28.559 the social issues that we face, and it's not about not understanding those issues, 816 01:03:28.639 --> 01:03:35.840 is about coming together and rectifying whatever we whatever those issues, whatever kind 817 01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:40.800 of boundaries they place on us or um you can't put on us um and 818 01:03:42.039 --> 01:03:47.559 just not having a vision of m that materialistic success in terms of like what 819 01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:52.599 is seen by other people. So a lot of people think success is just 820 01:03:52.719 --> 01:03:59.039 monetary um. Financial success is great and understanding it is really good and it's 821 01:03:59.119 --> 01:04:04.159 important, but the base value on it is war play on our wines and 822 01:04:04.239 --> 01:04:08.360 it won't allow us to be the people that we need to be. I 823 01:04:08.360 --> 01:04:13.239 think as well, Um, yeah, that's why I have to say about 824 01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:16.239 that. What Yeah, great points stared as well. Really yeah, really 825 01:04:16.760 --> 01:04:20.320 really really took to those points. Yeah, can I can I just say, 826 01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:24.679 yeah, I went to the bank, I think yesterday, I got 827 01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:28.599 a check and I had to cash it and I heard someone in the bank. 828 01:04:28.800 --> 01:04:32.440 He just looked like a regular guy, like regular clothes, bugs, 829 01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:36.519 standard average, and he said, I'd like to catch this check four hundred 830 01:04:36.599 --> 01:04:45.639 grand and I swo wow, Because there are guys that yeah, they've got 831 01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:48.599 oh the designer in the world, they've got a flashy car and whatnot, 832 01:04:48.719 --> 01:04:53.119 but they don't have no money and they look like they've got the money, 833 01:04:53.360 --> 01:04:58.599 but they've got no money. Yeah it's you. You You. The world 834 01:04:58.599 --> 01:05:00.840 can fool you into the thinking, oh I need to have this is actually 835 01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:05.760 planning this thing. But the people that actually have money, generally speaking, 836 01:05:05.960 --> 01:05:13.360 then they're not. They are the flashiest guys they are, and those flashy 837 01:05:13.400 --> 01:05:16.159 guys are usually not not good with money, so they don't keep their money. 838 01:05:16.320 --> 01:05:19.440 It's like learning to say, you know what, yeah, okay, 839 01:05:19.440 --> 01:05:25.000 cool, if I if I do want money, not even necessarily that you 840 01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:28.880 need money, but if I do want money and I do want to it's 841 01:05:28.920 --> 01:05:32.039 like, how do I make this money? And how do I maintain it? 842 01:05:32.079 --> 01:05:35.719 And how do I realistically make it so that yeah, I can keep 843 01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:40.800 it because the criminal activity. Yeah, but there are people that do criminal 844 01:05:40.840 --> 01:05:44.320 activity and they've got loads of stacks of money under their bed, but they've 845 01:05:44.320 --> 01:05:49.000 gon't do nothing with it because it's from illegal activity. And it's like at 846 01:05:49.039 --> 01:05:51.320 some point you have to say, do you know what, Yeah, it's 847 01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:57.960 not what it's it's the materialistic side is like it's not worth you have to 848 01:05:58.159 --> 01:06:01.920 you have to do something you love and and take your your dreams and whatnot 849 01:06:01.920 --> 01:06:06.400 and do it properly, and then you'll find yourself finding that here when the 850 01:06:06.480 --> 01:06:10.719 money comes. The money will be a side effect of the success. Yeah, 851 01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:17.840 not even the main focus. Remind me, when I met Richard Branson 852 01:06:18.280 --> 01:06:24.760 and and I expected to see this man looking very prosperous. Um, it 853 01:06:24.840 --> 01:06:28.280 was a business link thing that they had put together and everyone it was a 854 01:06:28.320 --> 01:06:30.039 meet and greet, and so I was all excited. Man, I put 855 01:06:30.079 --> 01:06:32.760 on the best suit, I had tie everything, you know, I had 856 01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:35.760 a little bit of hair then so I brushed it. Amen, and I 857 01:06:36.599 --> 01:06:40.920 looked. I thought, I looked the part of a businessman. So we're 858 01:06:40.920 --> 01:06:43.440 waiting for him to come in. He walked through the door, and Richard 859 01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:47.639 Branson's inner pair of jeans that was torn, and and and he got trainers. 860 01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:50.679 Um, they didn't look like any brand that I knew. Maybe he 861 01:06:50.719 --> 01:06:54.679 was an expected brand, I don't know, but he just looked like a 862 01:06:54.719 --> 01:06:59.159 regular dude. And and he then then you know, he proceeded to tell 863 01:06:59.239 --> 01:07:00.480 us. So we were asking him, you know, who do you banquets? 864 01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:02.519 You know who do you amend? He said, I don't know. 865 01:07:02.599 --> 01:07:05.639 He said, my wife handles all that that she's a business person. I'm 866 01:07:05.679 --> 01:07:09.000 just the face of the brand, and I just died, and I'm like, 867 01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:11.360 hold on, man, you know all it is the thing we hear 868 01:07:11.360 --> 01:07:14.719 about Richard Briser, Richard Browser. And this guy walked to liked a regular 869 01:07:14.840 --> 01:07:18.360 dude, and he said exactly what you said. He said, for him, 870 01:07:18.840 --> 01:07:25.360 it wasn't about making money. It was an opportunity and he grabbed it 871 01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:29.719 opportunity, and then when he grabbed it, the opportunity started to make money. 872 01:07:30.280 --> 01:07:32.920 And sometimes we put the car before the whole horse. We go chasing 873 01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:40.760 the money and the opportunity shrinks, when really, if you know anything about 874 01:07:40.800 --> 01:07:45.800 being satisfied, the satisfaction that achievement gets you is not when you're sitting down 875 01:07:45.800 --> 01:07:50.519 counting the money. Is actually when you've helped somebody along the way and you 876 01:07:50.599 --> 01:07:53.519 sit down and you said, you know what, man, I feel good 877 01:07:53.559 --> 01:07:58.199 about this, and then that starts making the money for you. And then 878 01:07:58.280 --> 01:08:02.000 people begin to comment, like we're hearing and commenting here throughout this evening about 879 01:08:02.119 --> 01:08:08.480 how you are blessed as young men and how your comments are blessing others. 880 01:08:08.599 --> 01:08:13.639 And to me, that's worth more than the hundred thousand you saw in that 881 01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:15.640 check yesterday. Now, you may not think so because you're gonna need one 882 01:08:15.680 --> 01:08:19.039 hundred thousand problems. But to me, that's worth that much. Ladies and 883 01:08:19.119 --> 01:08:21.159 gents, what do you think? Man? I gotta let these guys go. 884 01:08:21.399 --> 01:08:25.279 What do you think? I just wanted to jump in right away on 885 01:08:25.319 --> 01:08:28.560 the back of that and saying, um, you've just spoken about the value 886 01:08:28.600 --> 01:08:36.000 of a good woman. So um oh no, oh no, I'm not 887 01:08:36.000 --> 01:08:40.600 getting into this with Daniel. I'm not getting this right, Bradson said, 888 01:08:40.680 --> 01:08:44.119 you know, um, it's right here. So that's that's also very important 889 01:08:44.119 --> 01:08:49.199 factor in terms of where our young men stand stand and their futures in real 890 01:08:49.399 --> 01:08:57.560 partnerships. Hey hey, Kelly, Kelly, are you married? Not yet? 891 01:08:58.039 --> 01:09:00.600 Yeah? Okay, okay, Ryan you're married? No? Yeah, 892 01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:04.880 okay, all right, all right, So guys, I'm jumping off Zenya 893 01:09:04.920 --> 01:09:09.520 Now, so how do you guys go about finding a good woman? Man? 894 01:09:12.479 --> 01:09:15.840 That is that I would leave that question to everyone else because I don't 895 01:09:15.880 --> 01:09:21.960 known very tough, very tough Ryan. What about you, man? How 896 01:09:23.000 --> 01:09:27.000 do you go find it a good woman? I think it starts with being 897 01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:33.439 a good man. Oh good, because you know what, I think it's 898 01:09:33.720 --> 01:09:40.159 it's two sides of a coin. Because I think women are scary nowadays because 899 01:09:40.199 --> 01:09:46.479 it's a man, because they have no idea how how much power they have 900 01:09:46.600 --> 01:09:50.399 in a sense where a woman can break a man more so than any any 901 01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:58.479 enemy, any any like. But it's a thing where, yeah, it 902 01:09:58.560 --> 01:10:03.960 starts with being a good man because you can't expect. You can't expect a 903 01:10:04.039 --> 01:10:08.479 perfect wife and X, Y and Z. Then you're not you're not doing 904 01:10:08.520 --> 01:10:13.479 you're not playing your part. I think, um, I think when you 905 01:10:13.560 --> 01:10:17.279 play your part, you can you can expect more. Does that make sense? 906 01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:23.439 As in regards to saying, oh, I don't want you talking to 907 01:10:24.159 --> 01:10:28.520 him and him and him not even but I don't I want you to be 908 01:10:28.960 --> 01:10:31.720 of a certain I want my wife to be of a certain character. I 909 01:10:31.720 --> 01:10:36.720 don't want I don't want my wife to be say or whatnot. But how 910 01:10:36.760 --> 01:10:40.800 can I asker if I'm doing X, Y and that. So I need 911 01:10:40.840 --> 01:10:45.479 to figure myself and then the right woman will will will will sure that you 912 01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:49.159 get what I'm saying. I think I think it's a yeah, you're on 913 01:10:49.199 --> 01:10:53.039 a journey together. I think you need to know that a wife is a 914 01:10:53.079 --> 01:10:58.439 partner, not a trophy. Ha ha yeah, yeah, yeah, a 915 01:10:58.600 --> 01:11:00.960 wife is a partner, not right listen. Man, that's that's a status. 916 01:11:00.960 --> 01:11:04.560 That's a status builder. Put it on your status man. But the 917 01:11:04.640 --> 01:11:09.399 status man, Callid has to go before we comment on the wife being a 918 01:11:09.920 --> 01:11:12.760 trophy, I mean sorry, not a trophy. CALLI has to go, 919 01:11:12.880 --> 01:11:15.640 so cally say goodbye to the listeners. Man. Please, thank you so 920 01:11:15.760 --> 01:11:19.680 much. Thank you for having me. It's been great, honestly, like 921 01:11:20.640 --> 01:11:26.960 the subjects that we touched. Um, great as well. Um. Yeah, 922 01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:29.920 I'll look forward to speaking to you guys again at some point. Great, 923 01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:38.960 definitely, thank you man, God bless you as well. Okay, 924 01:11:39.000 --> 01:11:42.680 bye, thank you all right, Ryan, back to you man. That 925 01:11:42.760 --> 01:11:46.640 what a statement you said, Ryan, What a statement? What a statement? 926 01:11:47.000 --> 01:11:51.600 If is not a trophy? Boy? Um? And you know you 927 01:11:51.640 --> 01:11:55.239 know I like that. I like that, Ryan, because many of us, 928 01:11:55.479 --> 01:11:58.119 um, you know, when I was your age, I was looking 929 01:11:58.159 --> 01:12:02.239 around for women that that looked a certain way. You know, Um, 930 01:12:02.399 --> 01:12:05.119 you want to have them on your arm and you feel date they kind of 931 01:12:05.359 --> 01:12:10.319 they kind of make you the man you are because they look good and all 932 01:12:10.359 --> 01:12:13.920 the rest of it. But I love what you say, man. Many 933 01:12:13.920 --> 01:12:18.640 of us have made mistakes because we were looking for trophies and not a partner 934 01:12:18.680 --> 01:12:21.479 in life. So yeah, yeah, yeah, ladies, what do you 935 01:12:21.479 --> 01:12:28.079 think man? Ryan? And yeah, go ahead, Petro please on personal 936 01:12:28.119 --> 01:12:32.239 experience, Ryan, you're social because I've been married three times and my third 937 01:12:32.279 --> 01:12:36.319 wife, I did not look for her. She just fell in. She 938 01:12:36.520 --> 01:12:41.119 just fell in my life like I was. I was actually on a date 939 01:12:42.079 --> 01:12:45.720 and she came with my niece to get something and we met and it was 940 01:12:45.760 --> 01:12:48.800 just like I just knew. Hold on, Petro, Petro, petrol. 941 01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:53.560 Yeah, you were on a date. I was on a date with somebody 942 01:12:53.560 --> 01:12:57.800 else. Yes, I'm done. I was on a date with somebody else. 943 01:12:58.279 --> 01:13:00.560 Was actually a twin because my wife's a twin. I was on a 944 01:13:00.680 --> 01:13:04.520 day with another twin. I'm done. I was like, hey, I 945 01:13:04.680 --> 01:13:08.279 need this. I need this money because I bought something from her. But 946 01:13:08.279 --> 01:13:11.840 I giving the money back. Later she said, I called my niece. 947 01:13:12.159 --> 01:13:14.399 I went to meet my niece to give her the money. My wife, 948 01:13:14.680 --> 01:13:17.600 my wife, she convinced my wife, and now to drive her to get 949 01:13:17.640 --> 01:13:23.079 the money. I went back to the car, text my niece and said, 950 01:13:23.159 --> 01:13:26.800 yo, who was that? Said to the date, I ain't feeling 951 01:13:26.800 --> 01:13:30.079 good. I need to take you home. Shot her home and went straight 952 01:13:30.079 --> 01:13:32.319 over to my niece's house, and here we are today, sixteen years later, 953 01:13:33.520 --> 01:13:40.319 Pedro, Pedro, Pedro. I mean, like Andy said, there 954 01:13:40.399 --> 01:13:45.000 is no words. Okay, that anyway true, But I mean, but 955 01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:49.600 I'm just talking about what he's talking about in a sense of I wasn't looking 956 01:13:49.640 --> 01:13:54.800 for her. It just happened. And what he said about the trophy and 957 01:13:54.840 --> 01:13:57.920 being a partner, I knew that I want her to be my partner. 958 01:13:57.960 --> 01:14:00.880 I didn't want and she was to total i eposite of what I was in 959 01:14:00.920 --> 01:14:06.279 the She was Baptist, you know, she was total opposite of what as 960 01:14:06.319 --> 01:14:12.119 a certain events we will go towards, so I think, and my family 961 01:14:12.239 --> 01:14:15.680 was very up accepting of her because there had never been a type like, 962 01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:18.239 you know, well she's Baptist, you shouldn't have date her or anything like 963 01:14:18.279 --> 01:14:23.800 that. So that helped. But even if that, even if they had 964 01:14:23.800 --> 01:14:26.600 a problem, that still want to stop me because I just I just saw 965 01:14:26.680 --> 01:14:30.239 something in her. When you meet somebody you see something in them, you 966 01:14:30.359 --> 01:14:33.520 go with it because most times your gut is going to tell you if it's 967 01:14:33.560 --> 01:14:36.680 right or wrong. Yeah, especially if you have God leading your life. 968 01:14:36.720 --> 01:14:40.600 God will show you this is right, this is wrong, and you work 969 01:14:40.680 --> 01:14:43.359 and like you said, no, she wasn't perfect. I wasn't perfect, 970 01:14:43.680 --> 01:14:46.760 and we just work to those issues and like I said, sixteen years later, 971 01:14:46.800 --> 01:14:49.520 here we are. So I would just agreeing with Ryan when he said 972 01:14:49.520 --> 01:14:54.800 about that whole yeah, because it's you know, you never know how you're 973 01:14:54.800 --> 01:14:57.960 going to meet your spouse. You never know you can meet That's the weirdest 974 01:14:58.000 --> 01:15:00.279 way to meet somebody is on another date, meet your wife that you know 975 01:15:00.319 --> 01:15:04.880 your future wife and you know, yeah you you yeah, yeah. Okay, 976 01:15:04.920 --> 01:15:08.920 I'm not gonna comment. I'm gonna need that one alone and I'm gonna 977 01:15:08.920 --> 01:15:12.840 eat that one alone because I got so much I can say. But nevertheless, 978 01:15:13.079 --> 01:15:16.039 I'm glad your focus was on your date that night. Amen. She 979 01:15:16.159 --> 01:15:18.920 was born anyway, so that I was probably telling me anyway to give. 980 01:15:24.279 --> 01:15:27.520 Oh God. It was like, I hope how you out on this date? 981 01:15:27.640 --> 01:15:30.439 Like really, I hope you don't listened to that BIS Radio London today. 982 01:15:30.159 --> 01:15:36.319 She's white and she's not luck. You said the wrong tack. He's 983 01:15:36.359 --> 01:15:41.640 head the wrong thing. I'm saying, my white girl, and she's not 984 01:15:41.760 --> 01:15:47.279 listening to the implication because I meant it in the sense of being inventors. 985 01:15:47.279 --> 01:15:50.680 Okay, just she was not that type okay, okay, okay, I'll 986 01:15:50.720 --> 01:15:57.840 just check it because I was gonna say a lot of lights up get high 987 01:15:57.880 --> 01:16:04.359 percentage of my listeners white, So I mean no disrespect to white people. 988 01:16:05.079 --> 01:16:13.399 No problem. I'll send you all the all the mail when it comes in, 989 01:16:13.439 --> 01:16:18.760 Benjo, I send it all the male um Andy and Zenia partners trophies 990 01:16:19.000 --> 01:16:27.439 talk to me for me. Very true. But I mean going forward to 991 01:16:27.600 --> 01:16:30.640 before that statement, I liked the fact Rhyme said about being a man, 992 01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:34.920 and I guess that's potentially subjective, but I'm taking it from a positive as 993 01:16:34.960 --> 01:16:39.720 saying from the positive things, and I think it is that whole point about 994 01:16:39.760 --> 01:16:42.359 you. You know, you're playing a part, you're in a partnership, 995 01:16:42.680 --> 01:16:45.600 so you you know you're equal in what you're doing. You're working together, 996 01:16:45.920 --> 01:16:49.399 you're working as a team. I think that's really important, um, you 997 01:16:49.439 --> 01:16:54.000 know, and not being I like the I do. I do like that 998 01:16:54.039 --> 01:16:58.000 in terms of not being a trophy, because again that sounds very shallow in 999 01:16:58.039 --> 01:17:01.520 some respects. I guess being a partner a much deeper connection. Um, 1000 01:17:01.560 --> 01:17:04.239 you know. So that's a really that's a really positive thing from a young 1001 01:17:04.279 --> 01:17:08.239 man to be hearing that's that's that's good. And you know, and as 1002 01:17:08.720 --> 01:17:11.560 Pedro said, you don't be God beats in your life. You know, 1003 01:17:11.680 --> 01:17:15.359 if you're praying specifically, you know, think about the qualities of a woman 1004 01:17:15.439 --> 01:17:18.479 that you would like to see, and you feel that God's going to be 1005 01:17:18.560 --> 01:17:21.640 leading you that way, then you know, God will, God will bring 1006 01:17:21.680 --> 01:17:27.039 someone your way. It probably has it probably has right, right, no, 1007 01:17:27.199 --> 01:17:30.000 right, maybe happy, don't can't ride out, you know what I 1008 01:17:30.039 --> 01:17:31.880 mean? He probably had. Amen. Amen, Ryan, don't look at 1009 01:17:31.880 --> 01:17:38.199 me like that. En. Yeah, you're thinking I'm waiting for Ryan to 1010 01:17:38.199 --> 01:17:40.359 comment. No, no, no, I don't want I don't want Ryan 1011 01:17:40.399 --> 01:17:43.720 to comment. I don't want Ryan to comment right now. I said what 1012 01:17:43.800 --> 01:17:47.359 I said, Now, Zenya, what are you saying? I mean you 1013 01:17:47.479 --> 01:17:50.520 saw me. I was clapping when he made the point. Um, if 1014 01:17:50.560 --> 01:17:53.600 you want a good woman, then you've got to be a good man. 1015 01:17:53.720 --> 01:17:59.479 That I mean that's often overlooked. Um, you know we want ten men 1016 01:17:59.520 --> 01:18:01.840 that are ten and nine, but we want to be four and three in 1017 01:18:01.960 --> 01:18:06.319 terms of our own standards and our own commitment. Um, if you want 1018 01:18:06.359 --> 01:18:10.239 to ten, you've got to be a ten. That's right, that's right, 1019 01:18:10.239 --> 01:18:15.039 saying yeah, that's right. Say say with your chests rum. Yeah, 1020 01:18:15.119 --> 01:18:17.319 yeah, yeah, but but I just wanted to. I mean it 1021 01:18:17.439 --> 01:18:21.159 was kind of humor on the back of what you said about Richard Branson. 1022 01:18:21.239 --> 01:18:25.600 But that's an important conversation to have with our young men as well. You 1023 01:18:25.640 --> 01:18:29.840 know, who we have by our side can make the difference, It can 1024 01:18:29.880 --> 01:18:33.319 make or break us in terms of our own, um, own futures. 1025 01:18:33.800 --> 01:18:38.920 And I think that's an important discussion to have and for the kingdom. Yes, 1026 01:18:39.239 --> 01:18:42.920 yeah, absolutely, And I like what Pedro said, and um, 1027 01:18:42.920 --> 01:18:45.039 Bryan as well. I don't know if I like what Pedro. I don't 1028 01:18:45.039 --> 01:18:51.319 know if I like what I'm trying to I'm finding the part very small part. 1029 01:18:51.720 --> 01:19:00.279 Yeah, gonna get everybody fired, everyone fired. Um, you know 1030 01:19:00.319 --> 01:19:04.319 you've got to You've got to have God's direction and that as well, No, 1031 01:19:04.399 --> 01:19:06.560 without a doubt, without doubt. And I think I think the point 1032 01:19:06.560 --> 01:19:10.520 Page was making is very true, and that is when when God is leading 1033 01:19:11.079 --> 01:19:14.920 the one that you are to be with, um, it shouldn't be a 1034 01:19:14.960 --> 01:19:17.720 hard job to find out who that person is. However, if we look 1035 01:19:17.760 --> 01:19:24.159 at Jacob and Leah and Rachel, it may be a hard job because Jacob 1036 01:19:24.239 --> 01:19:30.319 had to work fourteen years or more for that woman that God had promised him. 1037 01:19:30.439 --> 01:19:33.199 And sometimes you gotta put in the work, Ryan, you gotta put 1038 01:19:33.199 --> 01:19:38.159 in the work. Amen, Amen, good, good, So listen, 1039 01:19:38.359 --> 01:19:40.960 UM, let's chop it up. We got a few minutes to go. 1040 01:19:41.319 --> 01:19:45.159 I want us to really look at what was spoken about and ran feel free. 1041 01:19:45.199 --> 01:19:47.119 If you need to leave, you can or you can stay with us 1042 01:19:47.119 --> 01:19:50.800 as we chop it up a team. As as as we move forward. 1043 01:19:51.359 --> 01:19:56.600 We have just over twenty five minutes to go. There are any comments coming 1044 01:19:56.600 --> 01:20:00.640 through us around we didn't share at the top, um, not that I've 1045 01:20:00.680 --> 01:20:05.319 seen. Oh yes, yes, yes, sorry, M keep God in 1046 01:20:05.359 --> 01:20:11.279 the mix. Once God is in the mix, God makes things happen positively 1047 01:20:11.880 --> 01:20:16.239 and one can reach their true potential in life. So once God is in 1048 01:20:16.279 --> 01:20:19.960 the mix, they can reach true potential in life. I think that was 1049 01:20:20.000 --> 01:20:27.479 the last one that rolled in well, and I have a question. Yeah, 1050 01:20:28.800 --> 01:20:30.159 I'm scared now, Pedro go ahead. No no, no, no, 1051 01:20:30.159 --> 01:20:34.079 no. It was more for Ryan because we're talking about gun crime and 1052 01:20:34.159 --> 01:20:38.479 knives and stuff. He's talk about keeping the knives in the kitchen and I 1053 01:20:38.560 --> 01:20:41.640 was all this week, I've been thinking about that, and what he said 1054 01:20:41.760 --> 01:20:45.000 was I had that same kind of thought in my head. But I was 1055 01:20:45.039 --> 01:20:49.359 trying to think about like as for you Pastoray and myself, but we fought 1056 01:20:49.399 --> 01:20:54.119 back in the day. You just fought with your fist, right and then 1057 01:20:54.119 --> 01:20:58.479 if you lost, you lost. And I was trying to like think when 1058 01:20:58.600 --> 01:21:02.600 did knives it comes such a was it society? Was it TV? Was 1059 01:21:02.640 --> 01:21:09.520 it like glorified? Was it? Um? Was it like put out there 1060 01:21:09.479 --> 01:21:12.319 and say like instead of using your fist, now use a knife or use 1061 01:21:12.359 --> 01:21:17.159 a gun? Like the TV as TV grew to what it is now movies 1062 01:21:17.640 --> 01:21:21.319 you know now now they don't really fight anymore. It's just they walk in 1063 01:21:21.479 --> 01:21:25.920 or you bought the famous phase you bought a gun to a knife fight. 1064 01:21:25.960 --> 01:21:29.319 You bought a knife to a gun fight. You know, like it's it's 1065 01:21:29.560 --> 01:21:34.239 it's changed at some point. That was that something while you was going up 1066 01:21:34.239 --> 01:21:40.640 Brian that you was watching. Did that affect you in that sense of instead 1067 01:21:40.680 --> 01:21:42.840 of using your fist you just said, you know, I'm just gonna use 1068 01:21:42.880 --> 01:21:46.800 a knife or I'm gonna use another weapon. I guess that would be my 1069 01:21:46.920 --> 01:21:59.039 question. I don't know, Um, I don't know. I feel like, 1070 01:21:59.239 --> 01:22:01.960 see me, I've never I've never been in a life a knife fight 1071 01:22:02.079 --> 01:22:08.720 or anything like, I can't say, but I know that it's definitely like 1072 01:22:10.920 --> 01:22:15.640 you do feel like you do have that phase in your life where you feel 1073 01:22:15.680 --> 01:22:18.600 like, oh, maybe I should carry a knife. Everyone's got a knife 1074 01:22:18.600 --> 01:22:24.239 and whatnot. But it comes to a point where you sort of saying, 1075 01:22:24.640 --> 01:22:32.199 do you know what, Yeah, the people that gets stabbed and are in 1076 01:22:32.279 --> 01:22:36.000 knife fights and whatnot. And as much as it's hard to say, as 1077 01:22:36.079 --> 01:22:42.359 much as it's it's not nice to say this, a lot of them are 1078 01:22:42.439 --> 01:22:46.960 involved in things that they know they shouldn't be in a sense where it's not 1079 01:22:47.079 --> 01:22:54.600 often. It's not often that someone that that isn't involved in anything or or 1080 01:22:55.760 --> 01:23:03.920 hasn't put himself in places that he shouldn't be gett or um or is in 1081 01:23:04.039 --> 01:23:11.520 a or whatever. So it's sort of like the world, how do I 1082 01:23:11.640 --> 01:23:21.720 say this? It's like, the people that generally get stabbed are people that 1083 01:23:21.760 --> 01:23:28.479 have involved themselves in a life where getting stabbed in I think, yeah, 1084 01:23:28.560 --> 01:23:30.479 does that mean sense? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, And and like you 1085 01:23:30.520 --> 01:23:35.720 said, it's not it's not everybody, but the percentages are very high on 1086 01:23:35.960 --> 01:23:40.760 those. As a matter of fact, there is a whole slogan about the 1087 01:23:40.880 --> 01:23:45.520 knife you carry is probably the knife that's going to kill you. Yeah, 1088 01:23:45.640 --> 01:23:49.039 yeah, yeah, So so there is that. Definitely that like eighty percent 1089 01:23:49.199 --> 01:23:53.920 they were saying, or people that die are people that are involved in those 1090 01:23:54.000 --> 01:23:59.439 kinds of lifestown. The other twenty people that are bystanders or wrong mistaken identity 1091 01:23:59.640 --> 01:24:02.760 or or you know, something like that. So definitely, I hear that. 1092 01:24:02.840 --> 01:24:05.520 I hear that, Ryan, I do hear that, and I do 1093 01:24:05.560 --> 01:24:11.640 I do hear that, and and respect that that a lot of people are 1094 01:24:11.800 --> 01:24:16.960 involved in illegal activity and end up getting themselves in a sticky situation. You 1095 01:24:17.039 --> 01:24:20.159 got to fight to get the way out, and of course then murders happen, 1096 01:24:20.439 --> 01:24:24.760 lives are lost, and all those kind of you were saying something. 1097 01:24:27.199 --> 01:24:30.159 That's an interesting point though, and they can't be overlooked that there are so 1098 01:24:30.239 --> 01:24:35.159 many young men and women that carry the weapons because they feel they have to 1099 01:24:36.159 --> 01:24:42.239 because the person around around the corner has one. Yeah, you know, 1100 01:24:42.479 --> 01:24:47.039 and again it's it's this glorified image of of of being I don't know, 1101 01:24:47.119 --> 01:24:51.319 men or much or men or whatever it might be, and you've got to 1102 01:24:51.319 --> 01:24:55.560 be carrying a weapon. You have to represent on the corner, in the 1103 01:24:55.600 --> 01:25:00.000 hood or whatever. Um and I don't know Ryan made when Ryan said about 1104 01:25:00.199 --> 01:25:02.960 making you know, coming back to what the true purpose of the knife was. 1105 01:25:03.520 --> 01:25:06.479 I mean, I've never given that any thought. But we've got to 1106 01:25:06.560 --> 01:25:12.399 change the way things are viewed and how are young people spend their time and 1107 01:25:12.720 --> 01:25:15.039 what they're engage in. And I think um Kalen mentioned that as well, 1108 01:25:15.159 --> 01:25:21.119 having sport and support and um, you know, community endeavors and so forth, 1109 01:25:21.199 --> 01:25:24.960 so that we're taking them off the street and taking them out of that 1110 01:25:25.079 --> 01:25:28.439 lifestyle, you know, taking them away from that sort of thing and giving 1111 01:25:28.479 --> 01:25:31.520 them other other ideas and other things to put their time and their energies in. 1112 01:25:31.600 --> 01:25:34.960 And that's I think very very important because we're not going to move the 1113 01:25:35.039 --> 01:25:39.039 needle unless we do that. And what I was saying, what I was 1114 01:25:39.039 --> 01:25:43.000 thinking when when when when when you made that point, Um, I was 1115 01:25:43.039 --> 01:25:49.399 actually thinking that we have to, um because everything around us we can use 1116 01:25:49.439 --> 01:25:54.399 as weapons, Like you were saying, everything could be dangerous. Therefore we 1117 01:25:54.520 --> 01:26:00.399 have to It's about changing the thinking so that and and ability to make the 1118 01:26:00.479 --> 01:26:03.199 right choices. So even though like you, like Kellied was saying, there's 1119 01:26:03.239 --> 01:26:06.560 a prayer scissors, you know, in the in the place where they in 1120 01:26:06.640 --> 01:26:10.560 the fashion thing. But I only think about picking up and stabbing one another, 1121 01:26:11.000 --> 01:26:13.720 So why should they think that about knives? And so we got, 1122 01:26:13.920 --> 01:26:15.520 you know, in our own children, in our own circles, in our 1123 01:26:15.520 --> 01:26:19.680 own community, we got to change just thinking they're thinking, and the ability 1124 01:26:19.720 --> 01:26:27.640 to make the right choices because it's right, and take away this cowardly approach 1125 01:26:28.159 --> 01:26:30.600 to um. You know, Um, you want to fight me, so 1126 01:26:30.720 --> 01:26:33.359 I gotta fight him, but I gotta kill him first. I just believe 1127 01:26:33.359 --> 01:26:38.279 that's cowardly. I believe the way to deal with those things and the way 1128 01:26:38.279 --> 01:26:41.000 to be show your strength is to say, you know what, I'm not 1129 01:26:41.039 --> 01:26:44.600 getting involved in this one. You know, I'm gonna walk away. I'm 1130 01:26:44.640 --> 01:26:47.159 not gonna do nothing. I'm gonna walk away, and I'm gonna trust God 1131 01:26:47.199 --> 01:26:51.880 on this one. To me, that takes more backbone than to fight, 1132 01:26:53.239 --> 01:26:56.000 you know, with ego, because a lot of it is ego and you're 1133 01:26:56.039 --> 01:27:01.239 fighting and uh and or that brings me on Ryan and Ryan, Yeah, 1134 01:27:01.640 --> 01:27:14.079 drill, that's drill. There's drill contribute. I think drill. I used 1135 01:27:14.079 --> 01:27:17.600 to listen to a lot of drill, but I think drill is I think 1136 01:27:17.680 --> 01:27:27.680 drill is drible Nowadays rubbish. Honestly, I think everyone's just saying the same 1137 01:27:27.720 --> 01:27:30.319 thing. I just think you're you're you're First of all, most of you 1138 01:27:30.319 --> 01:27:34.920 are lying because it's not even like this isn't the world we live in, 1139 01:27:35.000 --> 01:27:38.880 like because when you go outside and it's not, it's not what you are 1140 01:27:38.960 --> 01:27:42.640 saying. So I don't I can't believe. I can't take you that seriously. 1141 01:27:42.680 --> 01:27:45.920 But not only that, it's like there's only so many times, there's 1142 01:27:45.960 --> 01:27:49.760 only so many times you can say the same thing, like to be a 1143 01:27:49.840 --> 01:27:54.720 slightly different, you've changed the flows, but you are just saying the same 1144 01:27:54.920 --> 01:28:00.680 and it's just sort of like it just sort of becomes like background noise at 1145 01:28:00.680 --> 01:28:04.000 this point, Like it's sort of like I don't know, like I used 1146 01:28:04.000 --> 01:28:08.760 to like drill, Like I said, there was some artists id for oh 1147 01:28:08.079 --> 01:28:12.000 you're good, you're hard, you're hard, And now I just think everyone 1148 01:28:12.119 --> 01:28:16.359 just everyone's just so met Like it's like I don't I don't want to listen 1149 01:28:16.359 --> 01:28:20.880 to dri anymore. I'd rather listen to to I don't know anything trying. 1150 01:28:21.680 --> 01:28:27.920 It's Try'm more happy. Yeah, yeah, not even I listen to gospel, 1151 01:28:27.920 --> 01:28:31.600 but not even necessarily gospel. I rather isn't like Avici or or like 1152 01:28:31.800 --> 01:28:38.359 even like and even it's I just feel like you're just everyone's just stabbing him, 1153 01:28:38.399 --> 01:28:42.439 stab him and think, yeah, it's not it's not even it's not 1154 01:28:42.479 --> 01:28:46.960 even music anymore. It's just everyone is just remained the worst thing they can 1155 01:28:47.000 --> 01:28:51.039 think of. And I'm thinking this is basically horror music. Like it's like, 1156 01:28:51.039 --> 01:28:56.560 you're not you're not creative, you're not doing something musically, You're just 1157 01:28:57.239 --> 01:29:01.199 doing it's just met that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah definitely. 1158 01:29:01.640 --> 01:29:04.119 And the reason I'm asking and I love the way you talked about it. 1159 01:29:04.159 --> 01:29:10.159 The reason you're asking because you know a lot of young men that I listened 1160 01:29:10.239 --> 01:29:14.680 to chat at two of them with me today in the car as I was 1161 01:29:14.760 --> 01:29:21.079 driving, and a lot of them will listen to Drill and and but yet 1162 01:29:21.159 --> 01:29:25.479 they say it doesn't affect them. But when I listened to and No, 1163 01:29:25.640 --> 01:29:30.600 don't get me wrong, there is a genre of music that has the drill, 1164 01:29:30.039 --> 01:29:33.159 the drill music, and I have no problem with that if that's what 1165 01:29:33.199 --> 01:29:35.960 you want to listen to. But when it's telling you the way out of 1166 01:29:36.039 --> 01:29:41.600 this situation is to kill somebody, I gotta begin to wonder at some stage 1167 01:29:41.960 --> 01:29:45.720 if you listen to that over and over again. Surely that no, I'll 1168 01:29:45.760 --> 01:29:51.159 say it is drill can definitely affect your way of thinking and you annoying it. 1169 01:29:51.199 --> 01:29:55.279 But it will make you sometimes if you make you a bit more angry, 1170 01:29:55.640 --> 01:29:59.640 a bit more like. We'll be listening to it and you'll think, 1171 01:30:00.399 --> 01:30:03.680 oh, like you sort of feel like the same way, Like in the 1172 01:30:03.720 --> 01:30:08.960 same way when you watch like a bad boy movie or whatnot, you feel 1173 01:30:09.000 --> 01:30:12.199 like you're the guy you want to be that cool guy. But at the 1174 01:30:12.239 --> 01:30:16.199 same time, obviously you don't translate it into life so directly, but when 1175 01:30:16.199 --> 01:30:20.399 it's just in your ears constantly, like it definitely has enough I think, 1176 01:30:20.680 --> 01:30:24.640 yeah, yeah, um, And you know what, you look like you're 1177 01:30:24.640 --> 01:30:27.760 about to say something and you went back on me. Yeah, go away 1178 01:30:27.760 --> 01:30:30.239 from that slightly. But I guess it's um. I guess it moves in 1179 01:30:30.359 --> 01:30:33.279 nicely in terms of how does your faith and God play a part? Is 1180 01:30:33.520 --> 01:30:36.520 where your where your life is going now? Because I see you said at 1181 01:30:36.520 --> 01:30:41.760 one point you went a crossroads. You're recently being baptized and made a commitment 1182 01:30:41.800 --> 01:30:44.319 for the God's calling. I mean a lot of what we've been talking about 1183 01:30:44.359 --> 01:30:47.680 it is about making the right decisions, the right choices. So how is 1184 01:30:47.760 --> 01:30:51.439 that you know, and being a Christian I suppose now as well. I 1185 01:30:51.479 --> 01:30:56.560 don't know where that's easy difficult. Some young people may see it as that. 1186 01:30:56.680 --> 01:31:01.359 So how is it for you from a spiritual perspective? I think, 1187 01:31:05.840 --> 01:31:14.000 you know, it's it's strange because the Christian community is actually so welcoming, 1188 01:31:14.680 --> 01:31:19.600 Like everyone is so welcoming. Like I've been to like a few of my 1189 01:31:19.600 --> 01:31:21.640 friends have said, I'll come to my church, come to my church. 1190 01:31:23.079 --> 01:31:30.840 And even in a church where you feel and not all churches have the same 1191 01:31:30.880 --> 01:31:35.640 message and whatnot. But it's like I just feel like the body of Christ 1192 01:31:35.760 --> 01:31:43.800 is sort of it's sort of it's it's mysterious and wonderful because it's so like 1193 01:31:44.920 --> 01:31:48.960 it's just you sort of fine. You just sort of see Christ in all 1194 01:31:49.119 --> 01:31:56.199 the different Christians and like spiritually like you sort of see, okay, who 1195 01:31:56.319 --> 01:31:59.680 I see how Christ is is working here and here and here, and it's 1196 01:31:59.760 --> 01:32:04.000 just sort of like a I don't know, once you've once you sort of 1197 01:32:04.079 --> 01:32:08.520 choose to give your life to Christ, I feel like there's no way you 1198 01:32:08.560 --> 01:32:15.159 can just turn away. Like it's sort of just like a it's something you 1199 01:32:15.199 --> 01:32:21.159 can't really explain. It's sort of like a just wow, like being a 1200 01:32:21.239 --> 01:32:26.800 Christian. It's so amazing, even if other people don't understand it, and 1201 01:32:26.880 --> 01:32:30.399 even if they can say why, even if the people on the outside may 1202 01:32:30.479 --> 01:32:34.399 think why would you be a Christian or why would you day as well that 1203 01:32:34.960 --> 01:32:39.680 it's just sort of a like a once you get to know Christ, you 1204 01:32:39.760 --> 01:32:45.119 know, you wouldn't want anything else exact makes sense. Yeah, yeah, 1205 01:32:45.199 --> 01:32:46.319 yeah, I like it. Oh, a great question, Angela, And 1206 01:32:46.359 --> 01:32:50.800 I like your response Ryan, beautiful, absolutely beautiful. Um. It's interesting 1207 01:32:50.840 --> 01:32:57.159 because I forgot to mention it when I was introducing Khalid, because he's Muslim 1208 01:32:57.159 --> 01:33:03.840 and and you know, we talk about God all the time, and as 1209 01:33:03.840 --> 01:33:08.479 we sit there sometimes you know, thirty minutes or so, we're in the 1210 01:33:08.520 --> 01:33:13.039 sauna after workout and we're talking and he's he's you know, he's proper going 1211 01:33:13.119 --> 01:33:16.960 in on, wanting to know more and sharing his experience. And then I 1212 01:33:17.000 --> 01:33:19.960 began to think, man, that you know, the body of Christ is 1213 01:33:20.000 --> 01:33:28.399 interesting or the body of God is interesting. Because he had no problem when 1214 01:33:28.439 --> 01:33:30.760 I asked him to come on this platform, knowing that we Adventists and we 1215 01:33:30.800 --> 01:33:36.000 are Adventist Radio, to come on and share his experience because he felt that 1216 01:33:36.000 --> 01:33:40.960 he's speaking on behalf of God. He felt that this was a God environment 1217 01:33:41.079 --> 01:33:44.119 and he could be safe. He could be safe, And I thought that 1218 01:33:44.199 --> 01:33:48.479 was amazing when he was communicating that to me, that he could be safe 1219 01:33:48.239 --> 01:33:53.279 in this environment, whereas I'm not sure if I would feel that way in 1220 01:33:53.359 --> 01:33:58.319 his own environment. But I'm glad Ryan that you feel that the body of 1221 01:33:58.399 --> 01:34:01.840 Christ is a warm place, because a lot of times we get a lot 1222 01:34:01.880 --> 01:34:06.079 of negatives. So I'm glad to hear that coming from a young person. 1223 01:34:06.199 --> 01:34:10.960 Amen. Amen, Amen, Amen, talk to that doctor and Jelly. 1224 01:34:10.960 --> 01:34:13.520 You asked the question doctor that yeah, no, And I was going to 1225 01:34:13.600 --> 01:34:17.119 say that's that is really encouraging to hear because sometimes this pastor says, we 1226 01:34:17.159 --> 01:34:20.720 sometimes do get a bit of a negative rap. But what keeps you motivated? 1227 01:34:20.880 --> 01:34:24.399 Inspired? I mean, we've talked about having good people around you, 1228 01:34:24.439 --> 01:34:27.640 and you're talking about the body of Christ. You know what keeps you? 1229 01:34:27.680 --> 01:34:30.319 Because so you know, I'm sure we could all say I think sometimes being 1230 01:34:30.319 --> 01:34:34.239 a Christian, as exciting as awesome as it is, sometimes can be very 1231 01:34:34.239 --> 01:34:38.640 difficult, can be very challenging, especially when life gets in the way. 1232 01:34:38.680 --> 01:34:43.640 As it were, so you know what kind of what helps you to kind 1233 01:34:43.640 --> 01:34:46.560 of you know, stay strong and keep moving, keeping me keeping it moving 1234 01:34:46.560 --> 01:34:50.960 and keep going forward and staying positive. Yeah, I don't. I don't 1235 01:34:50.960 --> 01:35:00.520 know how to explain it, but like I feel like spiritually I won't let 1236 01:35:00.600 --> 01:35:04.039 me go. Like like in the same sware, sometimes you find yourself like 1237 01:35:04.640 --> 01:35:08.960 you might find yourself doing something that you know you shouldn't, but it's like 1238 01:35:10.039 --> 01:35:13.159 you know you shouldn't, and it's like you just you just catch yourself and 1239 01:35:13.199 --> 01:35:15.039 you're like, I don't, I don't even want to do this, but 1240 01:35:15.159 --> 01:35:17.159 I don't even want to be here. I don't even like it's sort of 1241 01:35:17.199 --> 01:35:21.039 like a no, I'm Tristan, I'm a man of good do I don't. 1242 01:35:21.079 --> 01:35:25.159 I don't want this. I don't want this for myself. I know 1243 01:35:25.199 --> 01:35:27.920 I shouldn't be here or I know I shouldn't be doing this, or I 1244 01:35:27.960 --> 01:35:30.880 know I should have talked about this, and you sort of just find yourself 1245 01:35:30.880 --> 01:35:35.359 catching yourself like this isn't me anymore, This isn't me, Like is that 1246 01:35:35.439 --> 01:35:39.560 mix sense? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I'm glad what 1247 01:35:39.680 --> 01:35:43.359 you I like what you say about God catching you guys. YEA let you 1248 01:35:43.399 --> 01:35:45.319 go. Yeah, he's not gonna let you go. Man, You're not 1249 01:35:45.319 --> 01:35:48.520 gonna let go, you know. Um And I like that Pedro where you 1250 01:35:48.560 --> 01:35:56.720 got no. I just went off to um. I was just agree with 1251 01:35:56.760 --> 01:36:00.399 what he said, Like, um, I just totally agree what he just 1252 01:36:00.399 --> 01:36:02.600 said about when you have God in your life. You know, you really 1253 01:36:02.600 --> 01:36:06.319 have God in your life, when you just know that, when you know 1254 01:36:06.359 --> 01:36:10.079 you're about to do something wrong and he just catches like he won't let you 1255 01:36:10.119 --> 01:36:14.399 go. He won't let you go too far out out the box. He 1256 01:36:14.479 --> 01:36:17.119 kind of keeps you in the box and he just keeps you know, try 1257 01:36:17.159 --> 01:36:23.600 to keep it on straight, on narrow. But as also God is is 1258 01:36:23.640 --> 01:36:28.319 the main, the main force in that. But I'm impressed because he is. 1259 01:36:28.920 --> 01:36:33.399 He's making that conscious effort every time also to say this is the type 1260 01:36:33.399 --> 01:36:35.199 of man I want to be, or this is the type of person I 1261 01:36:35.279 --> 01:36:39.119 want to be. Young man I want to be and I'm gonna be this 1262 01:36:39.159 --> 01:36:43.880 way no matter what anybody else says. So I'm impressed by just his Like 1263 01:36:43.920 --> 01:36:48.760 I said by Kelly, he has just his positive energy about him that when 1264 01:36:48.800 --> 01:36:53.520 he talks, you just hit nothing but positive. You don't hit nothing negative 1265 01:36:53.600 --> 01:36:58.239 coming out everything is positive, and I think it's hard for men nowadays to 1266 01:36:59.079 --> 01:37:02.840 have that positive all the time and everything they say or everything that they do, 1267 01:37:03.600 --> 01:37:06.319 because you know, sometimes they look at us and they just think that 1268 01:37:06.399 --> 01:37:11.119 we're They just think of us as negative. Yeah, as a black man, 1269 01:37:11.159 --> 01:37:13.920 they just think of it as negative. They just think of us always 1270 01:37:13.920 --> 01:37:17.399 trying to cause trouble, always trying to cause an issue. And when he 1271 01:37:17.439 --> 01:37:21.680 talks, just looking at I don't get that feeling from him. So you 1272 01:37:21.720 --> 01:37:25.239 know, I'm just impressed by that. We've got a couple of comments coming 1273 01:37:25.279 --> 01:37:30.399 in um Um and we're talking about the gunner knife crime situation. What about 1274 01:37:30.439 --> 01:37:39.640 the innocent people who try to intervene and defend those who are mugged or being 1275 01:37:39.680 --> 01:37:45.920 attacked because of area code or postcode as a way to cause an attack with 1276 01:37:45.119 --> 01:37:51.600 a knife and innocently get stabbed and horrifically get killed. And of course we 1277 01:37:51.680 --> 01:38:00.960 did say that there was a twenty percent different different, yeah difference, And 1278 01:38:00.000 --> 01:38:02.680 so we did say that, so there out there will be those that will 1279 01:38:02.720 --> 01:38:06.520 be innocent in this whole process. But the majority and they always say, 1280 01:38:06.560 --> 01:38:10.960 man, you carry a knife, that knife has the potential to cure you. 1281 01:38:11.840 --> 01:38:15.359 And then the next comment says, this knife culture needs to go back 1282 01:38:15.760 --> 01:38:23.000 to where it came from. Fights can happen, sadly, but what happened 1283 01:38:23.439 --> 01:38:30.439 to fist and no weapon? And the Bible says no weapon formed against me? 1284 01:38:30.520 --> 01:38:32.239 Right yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so we we and I 1285 01:38:32.239 --> 01:38:38.119 agree, I agree with that that that listener that it needs to be done 1286 01:38:38.119 --> 01:38:43.359 with man and we need to really instill the power to choose and make the 1287 01:38:43.479 --> 01:38:46.520 right choices as opposed to just taken. And this is the issue. Taking 1288 01:38:46.600 --> 01:38:49.159 the guns and the knives off the streets, it's not going to solve the 1289 01:38:49.199 --> 01:38:55.520 issue. You know. It's about changing thinking, which of course deals with 1290 01:38:55.600 --> 01:38:59.399 emotions, and of course change his behavior. If you don't change thinking, 1291 01:38:59.479 --> 01:39:02.279 as Rome and twelve tells us, then we are in a bad situation. 1292 01:39:04.399 --> 01:39:12.000 Another comment just rode in years ago someone got stabbed to death just because he 1293 01:39:12.159 --> 01:39:17.560 had a bike and that person wanted a bike that that person wanted and he 1294 01:39:17.640 --> 01:39:24.319 didn't want to give it to them. Yeah, they're definitely innocent by standards. 1295 01:39:24.319 --> 01:39:27.720 We can't yeah, you can't get away from that. Yeah yeah, 1296 01:39:27.920 --> 01:39:31.399 yeah, But but there is a high percentage of people that are involved in 1297 01:39:31.439 --> 01:39:38.039 that kind of lifestyle. That God forbid will lose their life because they're in 1298 01:39:38.119 --> 01:39:42.159 that culture. And and and you know, whether we like it or not, 1299 01:39:42.239 --> 01:39:45.079 that is just part of what I mean, what served up. But 1300 01:39:45.119 --> 01:39:49.359 we still need to change the mindset. The issue is not the knife. 1301 01:39:49.880 --> 01:39:55.600 The knife and the guns are not the issue. The issue is the thinking 1302 01:39:57.479 --> 01:40:01.520 mindset of providing alternatives. Yeah, that just opened, uh is a box 1303 01:40:01.560 --> 01:40:05.199 up climb. I don't know if you're familiar with with that program. They've 1304 01:40:05.239 --> 01:40:09.960 just opened up one in my area, Okay. And it's just about taking 1305 01:40:09.960 --> 01:40:14.039 young people off the streets and you know they're going to be doing boxing programs 1306 01:40:14.039 --> 01:40:15.880 and at the back of that you've got little rooms where you can come and 1307 01:40:15.920 --> 01:40:20.279 talk if you've got an issue. It's just about providing outlets. Yeah, 1308 01:40:20.319 --> 01:40:26.319 and alternatives yea for people, for our young people. And can't stress that 1309 01:40:26.560 --> 01:40:31.359 enough. In Um when I went to Gambia, a meta artists there that 1310 01:40:31.439 --> 01:40:36.399 was with us. He's from here, reggae artists called scratch Alous never forget 1311 01:40:36.399 --> 01:40:43.399 his name, and just it was brilliant scratch but Scratchulous had a song that 1312 01:40:43.439 --> 01:40:47.359 he had put out especially for the tour that we were on in in Gambia 1313 01:40:47.520 --> 01:40:55.319 and it was called resetting the mindset, and he went in on on Romans 1314 01:40:55.399 --> 01:40:59.960 twelve. I mean, he was preaching theology in his little reggae song, 1315 01:41:00.520 --> 01:41:05.319 but it was powerful because again he was reminding us that we need to reset. 1316 01:41:06.119 --> 01:41:12.199 Romans traveled by one and two says by renewing the mind it can be 1317 01:41:12.359 --> 01:41:15.399 transformed, and that should be the goal of all of us. And Angie, 1318 01:41:15.399 --> 01:41:19.720 I know you work with young people or children. That's where it begins. 1319 01:41:20.520 --> 01:41:24.359 It's too late and it's not too late. Let me rephrase it. 1320 01:41:24.359 --> 01:41:28.520 It is a difficult thing to fight with teenagers at that you know, when 1321 01:41:28.560 --> 01:41:30.960 they get to fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, and tell them not to carry 1322 01:41:31.000 --> 01:41:33.760 something, a lot of them are saying, well, I'm in an area 1323 01:41:33.800 --> 01:41:38.119 that's bad. I've got friends around me that carry things. I've got people 1324 01:41:38.159 --> 01:41:41.399 that don't like me, so I'm going to carry my stuff. But at 1325 01:41:41.399 --> 01:41:45.960 those young ages, we need to begin the process of teaching and training the 1326 01:41:45.119 --> 01:41:49.840 minds of our young people. Guys, we've got a few minutes left, 1327 01:41:49.840 --> 01:41:54.479 five minutes in actuality, any other comments before we wrap up this evening. 1328 01:41:55.520 --> 01:42:00.199 Someone says true talk pastoray, thank you for that always fine talking point. 1329 01:42:00.359 --> 01:42:09.479 Informative, thoughtful, and provoking. Amen. Amen, Amen, Amen, 1330 01:42:09.800 --> 01:42:14.119 Amen, Man. I'm gonna put that in a jingle, Amen, Jose 1331 01:42:14.399 --> 01:42:20.359 Ways our jingle anyway played the ingle, Hey, let's go what's going on? 1332 01:42:20.399 --> 01:42:23.960 What's going on? What's going on? But as we wrap up today, 1333 01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:27.920 what's on your minds? Um, let's let's think about highlights or comments 1334 01:42:27.960 --> 01:42:32.079 that we we we we heard today from Ryan and from Callid and from ourselves 1335 01:42:32.079 --> 01:42:36.079 and our listeners that you're taking away Pedro, Angie, Zenia and Ryan, 1336 01:42:36.119 --> 01:42:43.319 what are you taking away from this? I think that UM, through us 1337 01:42:43.359 --> 01:42:48.119 all just talking about us opened up the communication that can maybe help a young 1338 01:42:48.159 --> 01:42:53.439 person that's listening to this program that maybe going through is that same problem that 1339 01:42:53.760 --> 01:42:58.239 threw something that they may be struggling with, to show them that there's other 1340 01:42:58.279 --> 01:43:00.119 people out there that they could reach out to. This the people out there 1341 01:43:00.199 --> 01:43:05.840 that's gone through the issues they've gone through and if they need help that hopefully 1342 01:43:05.880 --> 01:43:12.439 this program would have helped them to to open up and maybe say something so 1343 01:43:12.479 --> 01:43:15.119 they don't go down that road of destruction that we're trying to, you know, 1344 01:43:15.359 --> 01:43:19.880 help them to avoid it. UM. Communication and I definitely with Ryan 1345 01:43:20.119 --> 01:43:25.840 and Killy was saying about the community outreach. Just changing the mindset. I 1346 01:43:25.880 --> 01:43:29.079 think that's the main thing, is just changing the mindset of men and women 1347 01:43:29.840 --> 01:43:33.600 to realize that you don't need to use a knife or a gun to protect 1348 01:43:33.600 --> 01:43:38.319 yourself, or you don't need to use a weapon. You can use you 1349 01:43:38.319 --> 01:43:40.920 you can talk, you can talk your way out of it. You can 1350 01:43:41.960 --> 01:43:45.119 you know, discuss it. It makes more of a man to discuss this 1351 01:43:45.239 --> 01:43:47.840 way out of a situation, then it is the fightest way of a situation. 1352 01:43:48.640 --> 01:43:53.399 So that would be my comment. Okay, all right, ladies, 1353 01:43:54.279 --> 01:44:00.399 alright, I think for me this entire program, I kept going back to 1354 01:44:00.479 --> 01:44:04.399 this this um quote my doctor Sisum, why fitting when you were born to 1355 01:44:04.479 --> 01:44:12.119 stand out? Um? And what are you thinking of that? The thin 1356 01:44:12.199 --> 01:44:15.039 end of that quote, but that kind of point that that's just resonated with 1357 01:44:15.079 --> 01:44:18.279 me today, you know, from all that Kald and Ryan has been saying, 1358 01:44:18.680 --> 01:44:24.119 um. And for me, it's about being godly and being daring enough 1359 01:44:24.199 --> 01:44:28.039 to be different, you know. And I hope that these young men will 1360 01:44:28.079 --> 01:44:30.880 continue to champion that and just be the light in their communities. Thank you 1361 01:44:30.920 --> 01:44:34.319 so much, Ryan and the Kaladere still listening. Thank you so much. 1362 01:44:35.880 --> 01:44:39.039 Yeah, and I'm kind of going to echo that because I think I was 1363 01:44:39.039 --> 01:44:41.920 literally going to sort of, you know, keep the conversation going, you 1364 01:44:41.960 --> 01:44:45.680 know, talk to each other. Men are unfortunately and they're touristly known, 1365 01:44:45.720 --> 01:44:49.319 but not necessarily sharing and talking. But as we're trying to hardlight this month 1366 01:44:49.359 --> 01:44:53.720 that you know, it's really important that you do speak to each other. 1367 01:44:53.800 --> 01:44:57.880 You're doing courage, you do motivate, you check in on each other and 1368 01:44:57.960 --> 01:45:01.399 see how people are doing, and ultimately put God first because God's always got 1369 01:45:01.399 --> 01:45:05.319 your back. Um. So yeah, and don't be afraid to be different 1370 01:45:05.319 --> 01:45:10.239 and to stand out and for the right reasons. Great, great, great, 1371 01:45:10.760 --> 01:45:13.439 ran, What's what? What's on your mind? What is the takeaway 1372 01:45:13.560 --> 01:45:17.600 in a few moments that you can mention? I think to go away. 1373 01:45:18.239 --> 01:45:24.560 I think seeing hearing everyone discuss, it's like we all have we're all in 1374 01:45:24.600 --> 01:45:28.720 different places, but we've all walked down a similar road. Yes, And 1375 01:45:28.760 --> 01:45:31.880 I think it's it's seeing that that God is working, like you remember that 1376 01:45:32.960 --> 01:45:39.159 even though Carly's Muslim, I think he'd remember those the initial covenant of those 1377 01:45:39.159 --> 01:45:43.399 who blessed Abraham will be blessed. So I think I think even even if 1378 01:45:43.439 --> 01:45:46.600 you're even if you're a Muslim Christian. I think I think we remember that 1379 01:45:46.800 --> 01:45:51.239 God loves us when he said he said even in your tribulations, like like 1380 01:45:51.800 --> 01:45:55.640 when it is tough, when you do think there's no way, I turned 1381 01:45:55.680 --> 01:45:59.359 to him because he can always make away and he'll love you and he'll for 1382 01:45:59.520 --> 01:46:03.319 you. Wow. Wow, I think I think I think that's that's that's 1383 01:46:03.520 --> 01:46:09.880 something that a lot of people just from should always keep there, is that 1384 01:46:09.960 --> 01:46:14.680 good can always make a way. Yes, like always always. I love 1385 01:46:14.720 --> 01:46:15.760 it. I love it, man. I tell you, when I grow 1386 01:46:15.800 --> 01:46:25.239 up, I'm gonna be like you and everybody but um but for me man 1387 01:46:25.720 --> 01:46:32.800 Um. What I'm taking away is um Ryan's trophy, UM statement about not 1388 01:46:32.880 --> 01:46:38.119 a trophy but a partner. Um. Absolutely, and the way it came 1389 01:46:38.159 --> 01:46:43.319 in was just brilliant and um. And you know, UM, young people 1390 01:46:43.479 --> 01:46:47.199 and even all the ones, we need to understand that this is about God 1391 01:46:48.000 --> 01:46:53.239 and UM and he has got to be relationships and everything else. He's got 1392 01:46:53.239 --> 01:46:58.319 to be in control. The minute we leave him and we start operating on 1393 01:46:58.359 --> 01:47:01.840 our own understanding, we're going to run into problems because probably let us know 1394 01:47:02.520 --> 01:47:08.479 that we have got to lean on God's understanding and in all our ways acknowledge 1395 01:47:08.560 --> 01:47:13.159 God and He will direct our paths. London. Father, we come to 1396 01:47:13.199 --> 01:47:15.840 the end of our program, but we don't want to end by just moving 1397 01:47:15.840 --> 01:47:19.199 away. We don't want to pray for our young people, particularly Ryan and 1398 01:47:19.279 --> 01:47:23.880 Carry who shared with us today. Lord, I pray that you will be 1399 01:47:23.880 --> 01:47:27.439 with both of these young men to continue to be strong and to stand strong, 1400 01:47:27.880 --> 01:47:30.800 continue to watch over them in every aspect of their lives, and may 1401 01:47:30.840 --> 01:47:34.359 they be totally sold out to You. Be with all of our young people, 1402 01:47:34.600 --> 01:47:39.680 our children, our nieces and nephews, our brothers and sisters, and 1403 01:47:39.760 --> 01:47:44.399 I pray that they'll make the right choices as they move forward. From this 1404 01:47:44.479 --> 01:47:47.039 moment on. We love you, and we thank you, and we thank 1405 01:47:47.079 --> 01:47:50.039 you for being with a throat the year here at Talking Point, and the 1406 01:47:50.119 --> 01:47:54.880 blessings that our listeners have been and we have been to them. In Christ's 1407 01:47:54.920 --> 01:48:09.000 name, we pray Amen Amen. Adventist Radio London inspiration for the song h