1 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:28,800 Well, good morning everybody out there. Welcome to Hobby Hotline, episode number 2 00:00:28,839 --> 00:00:33,200 two eighty four. And of course you guys know me. I'm king Nascar, 3 00:00:33,359 --> 00:00:38,799 and with me today is Victor the Rookie cart Specialist and Stelle Gum are 4 00:00:38,799 --> 00:00:42,000 good, buddy, Chris? How you guys doing all right? All right? 5 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:47,880 Right? So I wasn't scheduled to actually be the engineer today. I'm 6 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:52,280 actually pinch hitting, so bear with me. I will do the best that 7 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:58,000 I will actually do very well, so everything be great. So I haven't 8 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,600 seen you guys in a while. How was your holiday? Pretty good? 9 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:07,000 Pretty good? Sect so not good. I did get over a sinus infection, 10 00:01:07,239 --> 00:01:14,439 so yike that it is not good. No, So we've already got 11 00:01:14,439 --> 00:01:19,000 a lot of comments this morning. Let me share a few comments. Mad 12 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,760 City Brew, Good morning. What's every thing the new tops is on? 13 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:26,560 We're going to talk about that here in a minute. Yep, Frank, 14 00:01:26,599 --> 00:01:30,879 good morning, Frank, Philly Joe, he likes it. That's good, 15 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,400 all right? And Massy Bruce same here. Yeah, a lot of people 16 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,640 are liking it. Good morning, Phil Joe, going down through here. 17 00:01:38,719 --> 00:01:42,319 Heyre's Mark Hall? Hey Mark, I hope you're doing better. Good morning. 18 00:01:42,719 --> 00:01:47,200 We've got TJ and good morning to him and Ziggy. Hey, Ziggy, 19 00:01:47,239 --> 00:01:49,719 what's going on? Man? Happy New Year? And like, I'm 20 00:01:49,719 --> 00:01:55,319 just going through everything here real quick. Bob Boozle well twenty twenty four tops 21 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,519 yield, Rookie card controversies for Victor Dusk to dis act. Yeah, I've 22 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:07,640 started getting hit last night with dms and questions and it's fun. We'll get 23 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,240 into it, okay, cool man watch socks tile. Hey guys, okay, 24 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:15,719 cool. So let's just start out with kind of an icebreaker the the 25 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:22,599 NFL playoffs. What do you guys think with your predictions? What do you 26 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,280 think about the fact that it's on. We've got one game on just strictly 27 00:02:25,319 --> 00:02:30,599 on Peacock. Yeah, that's something different, you know. I'm sorry. 28 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:38,919 The Kansas City Miami game too is Peacock. Now, if you live in 29 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,680 the Kansas City and Miami areas, it's going to be on over the air 30 00:02:42,759 --> 00:02:46,520 TV. But for the rest of America, yes, you have to sign 31 00:02:46,599 --> 00:02:52,360 up for a five ninety nine a month streaming service to watch it. Look, 32 00:02:52,439 --> 00:02:55,560 I mean this is where TV is going, This is where sports is 33 00:02:55,599 --> 00:03:02,520 going. The Thursday night game is on Amazon Prime now as a soccer fan. 34 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:12,680 The whole MLS was sold to Apple TV last year. The service is 35 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:19,159 great by the way, you get every game, no blackouts, But uh, 36 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:24,360 you know, it's it's where TV sports is going now. And and 37 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:31,080 what's interesting is that I actually read something about the NBA's media rights are up 38 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:38,599 at the end of the year and they're in negotiation right now and they're looking 39 00:03:38,639 --> 00:03:42,479 to put some games on streaming. And I and I and I know that 40 00:03:42,479 --> 00:03:47,560 the next season NASCAR is going to put some races on Amazon Prime. So 41 00:03:49,639 --> 00:03:54,800 this is where everything's going. It's going to going towards streaming. Yeah, 42 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:59,159 you know, going forward in the future, your Internet connection is going to 43 00:03:59,199 --> 00:04:01,960 be your you know everything. It's going to be where you where of course, 44 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,800 where you do all your social media. It's going to be all the 45 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:09,400 streaming. It's gonna be everything. You're not gonna have a you're not gonna 46 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,520 have a cable box per se. You're just going to be using your internet 47 00:04:12,599 --> 00:04:15,240 now to pick and choose what you want to watch. Yeah, it's the 48 00:04:15,319 --> 00:04:19,319 dawn of a new era for sure. With television. I don't have any 49 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:25,920 vested interest in any of these teams. My beloved bears are definitely not in 50 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:30,480 it. Right. We do have the Packers and the Cowboys. That game 51 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,800 really intrigues me, so I'm as a Bears fan, I'm really pulling for 52 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:40,879 the Cowboys right obviously. And then my surprise team that has really impressed me 53 00:04:40,959 --> 00:04:45,000 this year is the Lions. I was able to watch a couple of games 54 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:49,720 with them. Their defense looks really, really good, so I'm anticipating watching 55 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:55,480 that game. But they have Matthew Stafford for the Rams, who is an 56 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:00,439 ex Detroit Lion, So that's that's a very interesting game as far is the 57 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,000 drama of it all. Who's gonna take it all? I have no idea, 58 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:09,560 no I have. I have no idea whatsoever either. I have no 59 00:05:09,639 --> 00:05:14,480 horse in this race at all, and I really don't you know, you 60 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,680 know, going back to the streaming part, you know the thing I don't 61 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,560 There's one thing I don't like about it is you know, of course you're 62 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,879 listening to the announcers on there going oh, it's such a great thing and 63 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:28,079 it's so good and blah blah blah. But you know what they're basically doing, 64 00:05:28,519 --> 00:05:30,680 is there you know, if you really have have an interest in watching 65 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:36,680 this game and watching Taylor Swift. You they're they're forcing you to to buy 66 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:41,240 this streaming service, and I don't like that. I don't like being forced 67 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,480 into something like that. So that's that's the problem I have with it. 68 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,040 You know, my wife uses Peacock. She watches Days of our Lives on 69 00:05:48,079 --> 00:05:51,000 Peacock and that's the only reason she's got it. And uh, I guess 70 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:55,279 we could probably use her account to do it, but I still don't like 71 00:05:55,319 --> 00:05:58,920 that idea of being having it, you know, ram down my throat, 72 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,600 so to speak. I'm wondering, if you purchased the NFL package at the 73 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,079 beginning of the season, I'm sure you get all the games. I'm assuming, 74 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,800 I think, so, yeah, yeah yeah, But then they're pushing 75 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:13,759 you, forcing you to get the package. Yeah yeah, sure are so 76 00:06:14,079 --> 00:06:16,000 yeah, you're going to have to get if you really want to watch it, 77 00:06:16,439 --> 00:06:19,680 you gotta get it, fortunate, right, right, So I guess 78 00:06:19,759 --> 00:06:25,040 with that being said, let's let's switch topics real quick. There's a lot 79 00:06:25,079 --> 00:06:29,519 of buzz right now about the twenty twenty three Top Series one baseball design. 80 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:35,160 I actually have a picture here of that somewhere, and I will put that 81 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:39,319 up here on the screen real quick. So there it is. That's what 82 00:06:39,399 --> 00:06:44,439 it looks like. I actually grab this off of I think Blowouts page. 83 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,360 So what do you guys think? It's Uh, it's different. It's uh. 84 00:06:48,759 --> 00:06:54,600 I think I'm growing to like it. With the Neon It's it's definitely 85 00:06:54,759 --> 00:07:00,439 different. I also like the black and white gradient board. It's kind of 86 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:08,000 a I don't know, nineteen eighty six is comment it looks like a seventies 87 00:07:08,079 --> 00:07:14,800 adult video Neon box kind of does. Not that I would know anything about 88 00:07:14,839 --> 00:07:20,680 that, Bob says, But I'm one thing I'm hearing is that there are 89 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:25,759 a lot of folks that looked at this and said, oh god, it's 90 00:07:25,839 --> 00:07:30,879 black borders. It's not gonna jam. Who cares. I mean, if 91 00:07:30,879 --> 00:07:35,800 you're really concerned that tops bas cards are, why are you even submitting tops 92 00:07:35,879 --> 00:07:40,879 bas cards anyway? I mean, come on, yeah, it's too expensive 93 00:07:41,439 --> 00:07:45,519 to do bas cards anymore. Well, a lot I get that controversy, 94 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,839 but I'm on the side of, you know, if a player pops, 95 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:55,199 if let's just say Evan Carter here pops and he does starting something spectacular, 96 00:07:56,439 --> 00:08:00,639 these bass rookies are going to hold value in the secondary mark it. But 97 00:08:01,199 --> 00:08:03,680 to but it's you know, we got. We gotta be smart about sending 98 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,759 in the right. It's not anything and everything. But maybe when a player 99 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,600 does pop, when he does something that is, you know, worthy, 100 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,959 then then I would say, yeah, why not. I don't think it's 101 00:08:15,959 --> 00:08:18,000 a big deal to grade those types of cards. I don't think so either. 102 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,680 I have a lot of black border cards that you know, there's a 103 00:08:20,759 --> 00:08:24,040 lot embracing, and I get those graded, you know, all the time. 104 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:28,000 There's you know, like the eighty seven. But the complaints were that 105 00:08:28,079 --> 00:08:33,600 because it's black bordered, it won't get a ten. Well, okay, 106 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:37,080 that true. Who cares. I mean, it's gonna be more. Yeah, 107 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:41,360 it's going to be challenging right to to kind of not chip those or 108 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:46,879 that sort of thing. But I don't you'll have some that gem. I 109 00:08:46,879 --> 00:08:52,120 mean, I love the design personally, I thought of I call it the 110 00:08:52,279 --> 00:08:56,360 Jay Lee sports card design from Sports Cards Lives. Kind of just reminded me 111 00:08:56,399 --> 00:09:03,000 of He's logo has that neon thing, and I did, like, I 112 00:09:03,039 --> 00:09:05,559 don't know, I was kind of confused with a couple of things. The 113 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,240 first one is the original photo that was released seemed to have like a really 114 00:09:09,399 --> 00:09:15,039 big border around it, But then other photos and I don't know if they've 115 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,639 been photoshopped or what seemed to have like a thinner border around it. So 116 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,720 I don't know what's up with that. Yeah, this seems to be like 117 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,919 a more standard border, right, but but yeah, the original photo released 118 00:09:26,919 --> 00:09:33,840 by TOPS had a much wider border. And you're talking about the Eli Dela 119 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:39,320 Cruise. Yeah, yeah, so well I have a slightly thicker broil. 120 00:09:39,799 --> 00:09:43,399 We'll see. Another thing that was going around was right above the team emblem. 121 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:48,799 There appeared to be what is called a first card and the and the 122 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,919 photo that I saw was with the El Dela Cruz right above the team logo, 123 00:09:52,039 --> 00:09:58,480 there was a first card designation. What the heck is that about? 124 00:09:58,799 --> 00:10:03,039 That? You didn't see that? Yeah? Yeah, I don't know if 125 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,360 it's like a you got you gotta determine the source. Where is this photo 126 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,919 coming from? Right now? I'm I'm looking at back at right man when 127 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,840 I don't see a first Yeah, he was going anywhere on the dal La 128 00:10:15,919 --> 00:10:18,960 Cruz card. It was going around on Twitter last night. I got into 129 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,879 some discussions about that. I just I don't know what that means. I 130 00:10:22,919 --> 00:10:28,279 wish TOPS would maybe uh share that information with us. What is up with 131 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,320 that? Why are we having rookie cards now with the Rookie card logo and 132 00:10:31,799 --> 00:10:37,679 a first card designation? And I looked at Beckett database. Eli de la 133 00:10:37,759 --> 00:10:45,120 Cruz has almost two thousand cards already released of him. Yeah, and he 134 00:10:45,159 --> 00:10:48,679 should have had his Rookie card in last year, last year's product. Thank 135 00:10:48,759 --> 00:10:52,120 you, thank you, Chris. Oh yeah, yay. People killing me, 136 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,120 But I guess we'll uh well, I gotta determine is that even real 137 00:10:58,519 --> 00:11:01,200 or and what is up with that? I'm assuming it's like the first edition 138 00:11:01,519 --> 00:11:05,639 release that they did last year. I'm assuming that's what this is, but 139 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,120 I don't know. Maybe somebody in the chat nos Well, when I look 140 00:11:09,159 --> 00:11:18,720 at it, I'm thinking of hot doughnuts now, so that's what I'm thinking. 141 00:11:18,759 --> 00:11:22,440 I'm thinking Krispy Kreme. But I like it, honestly. I think 142 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,159 it's a great design. I think they did a good job with it. 143 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:30,200 I mean it's original. You know, we haven't seen a Neon border like 144 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:35,639 this before. So I'll tip my cap to mister Fullerton and the gang in 145 00:11:35,759 --> 00:11:45,440 charge of a flagship. As for the rest of the product, apparently we're 146 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:54,759 getting another nineteen eighties reprint. This hundred card nineteen eighty nine insert who cares 147 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:01,360 we are blaster boxes will no longer have a Manu relic, but what they 148 00:12:01,399 --> 00:12:09,840 will have is more parallels, because apparently tops needed more parallels, and apparently 149 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:20,639 these are springtime parallels. So there's going to be let me see egg parallels, 150 00:12:20,919 --> 00:12:30,519 rabbit parallels, flower parallels, umbrella parallels. Yeah, it's like if 151 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:35,639 the one thing that this product didn't need is more you know, I kind 152 00:12:35,639 --> 00:12:41,440 of feel like you remember the more cowbells skit from Saturday Night Live, right, 153 00:12:41,799 --> 00:12:46,919 Will Ferrell hitting the cowbell? Christopher Walking says I got a FEVA and 154 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:52,799 the only prescription are more parallels. And the thing is is that you know, 155 00:12:54,519 --> 00:12:58,080 and those of us that go to card shows, we kind of know 156 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:03,120 this. Now. Most of these parallels nobody really even wants, am I 157 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:09,240 right? Yeah, I don't because I'm on school. Do you want a 158 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:16,120 parallel of a rabbit of even if it's a one in fifty six pack hit 159 00:13:16,879 --> 00:13:20,080 rabbits in the background, that's kind of weird, I hear, yet, 160 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:26,240 I mean that's the case. How about peanuts, crackerjacks hot, let's give 161 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:31,399 let's not give them any ideas? Okay, all right, all right. 162 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:37,559 Yeah. I do like the fact that the base sets back to three hundred 163 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:43,720 and fifty cards as opposed to three thirty, So they're making it bigger. 164 00:13:43,799 --> 00:13:46,840 Huh, A little bit bigger, Okay, not as big as I think 165 00:13:46,879 --> 00:13:50,799 it should be. Yeah. You know, if we could get a seven 166 00:13:50,879 --> 00:13:54,600 hundred and ninety two cards set in the eighties, why isn't it seven hundred 167 00:13:54,759 --> 00:14:01,120 ninety two now? Yeah? Yeah, pork rol parallels. Don't please, 168 00:14:01,159 --> 00:14:05,759 don't give them any ideas as you know they're going to do that. You 169 00:14:05,799 --> 00:14:09,279 guys don't get pork roll where you live, do you? No? No, 170 00:14:09,279 --> 00:14:13,240 no, Yeah, It's kind of like a Philadelphia, Jersey thing. 171 00:14:16,519 --> 00:14:28,799 Let's see what else can we complain about in series one? Yeah, eighty 172 00:14:28,919 --> 00:14:35,360 nine inserts who cares? All Tops Team okay, greatest hits Okay. There's 173 00:14:35,399 --> 00:14:41,720 a twenty four card tribute to Ken Griffy Junior, which I think they did 174 00:14:41,799 --> 00:14:48,879 three or four years ago, but we're doing it again. Grand gamers whatever. 175 00:14:48,919 --> 00:14:54,240 They are heavy lumber, which I guess are the super scarce home field 176 00:14:54,240 --> 00:15:01,480 advantages back yay. Stars of MLB are in retail packs, so look for 177 00:15:01,519 --> 00:15:05,559 them to be clogging up fifty cent boxes everywhere. For the next couple of 178 00:15:05,639 --> 00:15:13,399 years. Nothing really special. I mean about SSPs, Chris, Well, 179 00:15:13,559 --> 00:15:18,600 they they're doing what they did last year and essentially making it a full parallel 180 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,840 and identifying it on the back in big bold letters. This is a short 181 00:15:24,879 --> 00:15:31,840 print. So I guess you could justify not collecting them by treating them as 182 00:15:31,879 --> 00:15:37,279 a parallel. So now, at first I heard rumblings that they were going 183 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:43,200 to have sps for the entire for the entire set. Yeah, that's what 184 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,639 they did last year. Yeah, but I guess now they've retracted from that. 185 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:52,639 They're not going to do that in twenty twenty four. That's not what 186 00:15:52,799 --> 00:15:58,639 I heard. I think they're back only I think that they are, Yeah, 187 00:15:58,679 --> 00:16:03,159 Michael, Michael Monahan. I think the guy that works for fanatics, 188 00:16:03,399 --> 00:16:11,519 he ended up squashing the rumors on the SSPs, and yeah, that's that's 189 00:16:11,639 --> 00:16:15,440 that's just what I heard. Okay, I guess we'll have to wait and 190 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,759 see. Yeah, yeah, you have to be What do you think of 191 00:16:18,799 --> 00:16:22,399 the SSP concept? Do you like it? Chris? They're dumb, you 192 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,720 know, like it? I mean I think the cops used to do it. 193 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:30,000 I think they have ligship, they have better pictures on them. I 194 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,279 like the photo images on them. Well, why do there have to be 195 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,720 two different cards of the same player? Yeah? And and why do why 196 00:16:37,759 --> 00:16:41,759 did I have to And look, they did take care of this problem, 197 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:45,960 But why do I have to like turn the card over, break out a 198 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:52,720 magnifying night, right, and decipher some kind of cryptic code right in order 199 00:16:52,759 --> 00:16:56,840 to figure out what card that I have? Right? Right? I think? 200 00:16:56,879 --> 00:17:03,240 And what is that also say about the product that you feel the need 201 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:07,799 that you have to have this in the set in order for people like us 202 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:12,119 to be able to collect it? Yeah, I think they're trying to spice 203 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:18,160 it up because of the print run is so large, well with short prints, 204 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:23,440 right, does it really need it? Chris is dress like missus roper 205 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:36,480 today? Really? What's just keep your shirt on? Christal Acts actually a 206 00:17:36,519 --> 00:17:48,640 Philadelphia Union Jersey. So I want to go to a comment that John made 207 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,680 this comment right here, ten X the hobby means ten X dumbing down the 208 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,960 hobby. This is something I've actually had on my mind before we started the 209 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:00,079 show today. I want to pose the question, you guys, you know 210 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:04,119 we're hearing that, you know, I hear it from everywhere that ten X 211 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:08,400 and the Hobby is a good thing. I don't think so. I think 212 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,359 that ten X and the Hobby is going to make there's gonna be more hobby 213 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:17,759 greed. You're going to have, you know, higher prices on certain car 214 00:18:17,759 --> 00:18:22,359 because everybody's gonna be going after certain they're going to be artificially inflated. I 215 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,160 don't, in my opinion, ten X and the Hobby is not a good 216 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:30,079 thing. I mean, what do you guys think. Yeah, I don't 217 00:18:30,079 --> 00:18:32,519 think. I'm not on that bandwagon. I'll be honest with you. I 218 00:18:32,559 --> 00:18:36,279 don't think we're not ready for tennexing in the hobby right now. Uh. 219 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,799 Maybe a goal to strive for, but I think there's just too much, 220 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:45,359 uh with with everything going on with licensing, with the miscues that we're currently 221 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,200 having, with the printing backlog that we have. I don't. I don't 222 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:52,200 think we're in a position for ten xing the hobby. I think that's just 223 00:18:52,319 --> 00:18:59,079 more corporate corporate talk, you know, kind of coming in shooting for the 224 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:03,559 stars, seeing what sticks type of thing. I'm not a big fan of 225 00:19:03,559 --> 00:19:08,359 the of the ten X philosophy. Let's just let's just see what happens. 226 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:15,119 Well. When we're saying ten X the hobby ten xing. What are we 227 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:21,079 ten xing the number of collectors or are we ten xing just revenues here? 228 00:19:21,559 --> 00:19:26,519 I mean, either way, if you wanna ten x the hobby, you're 229 00:19:26,519 --> 00:19:30,359 gonna have to You're gonna have to start printing up more products. I mean, 230 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:37,920 you're gonna have to go to basically junk wax row levels of production on 231 00:19:37,079 --> 00:19:45,400 most products, even premium products, or even super premium products, or even 232 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:49,680 you know these one hundred five hundred thousand, well maybe not junk wax level 233 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:56,559 levels of production on mode, but you know a product like Tier one, 234 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:02,160 you know, three hits in a box, seventy dollars a box. You're 235 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,640 gonna have to make a lot more of that if you're going to ten x 236 00:20:06,319 --> 00:20:11,319 revenues. I do want to give a sneak preview because I kind of do 237 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:18,200 address this issue in my Hobby News Daily column for January, which I haven't 238 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:25,119 submitted yet, but I will. I talk about the Tom Brady baseball card 239 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:30,079 that came out and it got a lot of hype. I like that. 240 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,319 I love that, I love the concept of this card even though it's a 241 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:40,440 gimmick, and I also love the marketing campaign behind it, especially that video 242 00:20:40,559 --> 00:20:48,319 they made with the Guerrero Pedro Martinez and Larry Walker in a bar in Montreal, 243 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:52,799 you know, reminiscing about all the World Series titles that their captain, 244 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:59,359 their catcher, Tom Brady brought. And I imagine, imagine you're not a 245 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:03,920 card collect but imagine you're a big Tom Brady fan, right, and you 246 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:10,200 see this ad and you have to have that card. You don't ordinarily collect 247 00:21:10,279 --> 00:21:15,400 cards, but you need this one. So you buy a box of cards. 248 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:21,480 And these card boxes aren't cheap. I mean, the lowest price I 249 00:21:21,599 --> 00:21:26,359 found for Bowman Draft is like five hundred and sixty dollars of David Adams, 250 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:32,039 right, So you send off your five hundred and sixty dollars to David Adams, 251 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,160 You get the box, you rip open the packs, you get a 252 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,759 bunch of players that you've never heard before because you know it's Bowman Draft. 253 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,720 You don't understand how some of the cards have different border colors, and some 254 00:21:45,799 --> 00:21:51,000 of the cards are printed on regular paper stock, and some of the cards 255 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,720 are printed on this shiny metal stock. But at the end of the day, 256 00:21:53,759 --> 00:22:00,599 you don't get your Brady card. So okay, fine, I'll send 257 00:22:00,599 --> 00:22:04,640 another five hundred and sixty dollars to DNA. I'll get another box. Surely 258 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:10,319 I have to get a Tom braid and you don't. And now you're eleven 259 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,160 hundred bucks in the hole. You do not have a Tom Brady card. 260 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,680 You kind of feel like you've been had a little bit. You kind of 261 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:23,920 feel like a bit of a chump making potential custom And I hope someone at 262 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:29,000 Fanatics is listening to this. If you want a ted X the Hobby, 263 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,759 well forget about ten X. If you want to two X the hobby, 264 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:40,359 do not make potential customers look like chumps. That's a good point because you 265 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:45,400 know, I remember back during the when Billy Ripkin the Billy Ripkin Err came 266 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,359 out back in the day, and I didn't even know anything about it until 267 00:22:48,599 --> 00:22:55,119 my boss at the computer center runs back to the shop and hence this USA 268 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,599 Today article about it, and he goes, I want one, you know, 269 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,759 so he was all excited. It's it's kind of the same kind of 270 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,759 but uh, you know, all I think that ten X in the Hobby 271 00:23:04,839 --> 00:23:11,720 is going to do is trying to ten x Fanatics executives pocket and that that's 272 00:23:11,759 --> 00:23:15,640 that's how I look at it. To me as a collector, I don't 273 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,880 think ten xing is a good thing. I think that now the cards that 274 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,640 I'm looking for, the Grail cards, are gonna be harder because I've got 275 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:27,839 other people wanting And this may sound greedy, but I've got other collectors, 276 00:23:29,839 --> 00:23:32,039 you know, looking for the same card. I may not be able to 277 00:23:32,039 --> 00:23:33,400 get this card. It's kind of like what you were talking about, Chris, 278 00:23:33,759 --> 00:23:37,319 I may not be able to get that card that I really really want 279 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,759 because there's so many people out there, and I just I just think, 280 00:23:41,839 --> 00:23:45,200 I just don't think it's a good thing. Honestly. I think the cost 281 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:49,599 of product today and least seeing it even with the prison basketball that iss soon 282 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,279 to release, I think it came out at what nine a box. Don't 283 00:23:53,279 --> 00:23:56,240 don't quote me on that, but that's outrageous, right, And it almost 284 00:23:56,279 --> 00:24:03,519 seems like they are curtailing to the collector that has deep pockets, right, 285 00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:08,680 and it seems like the silent majority who can't afford that type of price for 286 00:24:08,759 --> 00:24:12,640 a box are being kind of left behind. But I think what they're doing 287 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,920 is more like they're trying to absorb the secondary market, the profit that's left 288 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,599 on the table from the secondary market. So it's kind of like a two 289 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,319 edged sword there, because if they list them for three point fifty and the 290 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:30,880 secondary market immediately goes at a thousand dollars a box, well, they're leaving 291 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:36,240 that money on the table, and they're I think it's more of a you 292 00:24:36,279 --> 00:24:40,680 know, trying to absorb that that profit for themselves instead of giving it to 293 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,279 the secondary market. But I don't know who can afford, you know, 294 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:51,519 those types of boxes accept a distinct few in the hobby and that have those 295 00:24:51,559 --> 00:24:55,000 types of deep pockets. I think the rest of us, I don't know 296 00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:57,640 if if you know, settle on retail boxes. I don't know, don't. 297 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:03,720 I don't really get into the new product too much. But the majority 298 00:25:03,759 --> 00:25:07,680 of the silent majority, they're they're gonna be stuck either buying singles at the 299 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:12,119 secondary market or just settling for retail product, which is not gonna be as 300 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:18,359 fruitful as the first off the line product. Right But it's to me, 301 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,200 it's it's crazy, but it's it's it's kind of the reality of things right 302 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:27,480 now. I think that there's gonna be a lot more product agree I'm not 303 00:25:27,519 --> 00:25:33,720 in favor of, and we'll probably head to eventually it'll be a junk Wax 304 00:25:33,759 --> 00:25:37,440 two point zero era. You know, that's kind of the way it's going 305 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,519 to go. I think if you text the hobby and you know, I 306 00:25:40,599 --> 00:25:44,640 want folks to get into the hobby for the right reason, not the get 307 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:51,119 rich quick reasons, and not the flipper slash hype beast mentality. I don't 308 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,759 like that. I honestly do not like that. Of course, again, 309 00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:57,119 I've been collecting since nineteen seventy one, so you know, I'm just a 310 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,640 collector. You know, people ask me all the time, hey man, 311 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,119 we think your collection is worth I'm like, I have no idea. I 312 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,839 collect because I love it, and it's fine. Yeah, So as long 313 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,079 as people get into it for the right reasons, you know, I guess 314 00:26:11,079 --> 00:26:12,519 I have less of a problem with it. But I think what you're going 315 00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:15,400 to find out is, you know, like this, like this Tom Brady 316 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,079 card, you know that's all over the places, like what Chris said, 317 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,559 everybody's going to want to try to chase it, and then again when they 318 00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:25,119 don't get it, they're going to be upset and they're going to leave the 319 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:29,160 hobby and feel like they got burned. Yeah, exactly, spending all this 320 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:30,279 money on these boxes. You know, I can remember when I was a 321 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,440 kid buying you know, seventy two tops, you know, buying a box 322 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,480 of seventy two tops. I could buy a box of seventy two tops for 323 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,599 what two dollars and forty cents or whatever. I think there were twenty four 324 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,880 packs and ten cents. I mean you could. You could earn that kind 325 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,680 of money by doing chores around the neighborhood. But you can't. You can't 326 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,480 buy boxes now by doing chores around the neighborhood. It's just not you just 327 00:26:51,519 --> 00:26:55,519 can't do it. So I failed to mention this, but the Brady card 328 00:26:55,680 --> 00:27:00,279 is like a one in every twenty seven hundred pack. Hit wow. So 329 00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:04,119 and you only get twelve packs at a box for your five hundred and fifty 330 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:10,279 bucks. So yeah, Ted X of the Hobby, Baby, Yeah X 331 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:18,279 baby. Yeah again, I said, we'll see what happens. I don't 332 00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:21,599 think it's achievable. I don't think you're going to get enough people in here 333 00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:25,640 to sustain that kind of level. I think the collectors that you have now, 334 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,359 you know it's gonna it's kind of like doctor Beckett says, you want 335 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,440 to see a gradual increase you don't want to see this quick jump from now 336 00:27:33,799 --> 00:27:37,599 to next year having ten times the collectors, because if you do, you 337 00:27:37,599 --> 00:27:41,480 know, you know, nine x of them are going to leave, you 338 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,400 know, or whatever. So I just I just don't think it's feasible. 339 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,440 I don't think it's good for the hobby, honestly. I like re Rex 340 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,680 makes a couple of good comments there, if you want to highlight those logan 341 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,680 coming from a card shop owner himself, a guy who's in the front lines, 342 00:27:55,759 --> 00:28:00,240 right, So those opinions are typically carry some weight with me right around 343 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:06,359 the ten right here, Yeah, Rex, Yeah, Rex says that ten 344 00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:10,039 x is not achievable in his opinion. In his circle of friends and family, 345 00:28:10,079 --> 00:28:12,519 almost all of them are sports fans of some sort, some even game 346 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,920 on sports, but only a small percentage have interest in collecting. And that's 347 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:21,319 true. I mean, I know a lot of sports fans that you know, 348 00:28:21,799 --> 00:28:23,319 they you know, I'll mention collecting to them and they're like, I 349 00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:26,759 don't give a you know, I don't care about that. That's not what 350 00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:29,119 I want to do. I mean, I think you have to have that 351 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,960 collecting gene, like doctor Beckett says, is Chris Chris muted I think I 352 00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:37,319 was kicked off for just a brief set. Yeah I heard it, Yeah, 353 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,640 I heard the little thing. So what else? What else do you 354 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,960 guys want to talk about real quick? Well, we got a couple of 355 00:28:45,799 --> 00:28:51,480 contract announcements, some big names switching things up. Oh yeah, we got 356 00:28:51,519 --> 00:28:57,519 what Tiger Woods and we've got what Lebron and little Little Brownie. Yeah yeah, 357 00:28:57,559 --> 00:29:03,400 So what y'all think about that dual autograph card with Lebron and Bronnie. 358 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,680 Well, most of us are never going to be able to collect that card 359 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:12,240 because it's a one of one gimmick. I'm pretty sure that they're going to 360 00:29:12,279 --> 00:29:17,720 be much more attainable parallels of that card. But you know, this is 361 00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:22,519 kind of big because, you know, Lebron James has been exclusive to Upper 362 00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:26,799 Deck for really since the beginning of his career, and now, for the 363 00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:33,279 first time, he's going to be signing for another company. Now, granted, 364 00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:38,880 this company doesn't have the NBA license yet, not until I believe twenty 365 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:45,480 twenty six Fanatics gets the license back, but I think we can expect to 366 00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:53,720 see Lebron James autographs, not just in basketball products with his son, but 367 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,359 you know, I think we'll see a lot of Lebron James cards and a 368 00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:02,759 lot of the base ball sets this year. I think he's a shoe in 369 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:07,799 for Allen and Ginter. I think a few other high end products you might 370 00:30:08,319 --> 00:30:15,000 see him in, like maybe a Triple Threads or maybe a Tier one or 371 00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:22,480 even a tran might even be a Transcendent autograph. Granted he won't be in 372 00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:29,240 his clea in his NBA uniform. I believe that the dual autograph with his 373 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:37,920 son depicts him in his high school uniform. I'm sure that high School is 374 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,960 making out pretty well with the licensing, but you know, it's kind of 375 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,720 a changing of the guard. I mean, Upper Deck has had lost the 376 00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:56,160 NBA license what in twenty ten, and what have they done with Lebron over 377 00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,720 the last dozen or so years. I mean, really, the only Lebron 378 00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:07,400 autographs you can find we're in products like Goodwin Champions or or Gouty. So 379 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,759 yeah, they'll probably put him on an F one release as well. It 380 00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:12,400 there'll be some kind of deal where he's in an F one race or something. 381 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:18,599 Yeah, we'll have an F one with all the other celebrities that show 382 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:23,319 up and walk the pit walk the paddock and take a picture, and I 383 00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:26,440 think it's uh. I think it's a big signing too, It really is. 384 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,680 It's huge. I think he's following his son, and I love the 385 00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:34,400 I love that story, right, He's kind of like bringing his son along 386 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:40,279 kind of thing. I love that's that's but I do think this is more 387 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,680 like it. It's a gimmick, this this dual card, right, and 388 00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:48,680 it seems like the pattern that Fanatics is using is have that big card, 389 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,960 that real big chase, and that's going to generate the cell of the product. 390 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,400 Except the problem is is when you pull the big card on the first 391 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:02,079 day of release. Yeah, that plan kind of backfires out of here, 392 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:08,000 right, but now it leads It begs the question what about Jordan's I don't 393 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:15,319 think Jordans. Jordan is kind of committed to his brands and Nike and Upper 394 00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:19,039 Deck have been his Yeah, I don't see him moving. I hope he 395 00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:22,160 does, don't get me wrong. It would be awesome, but at least 396 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,519 for the immediate I don't see it happening either. Yeah. And of course 397 00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:30,839 you know Michael Jordans, he co owns a NASCAR Cup team as well with 398 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:35,319 Denny Handling, and they just built this really nice new state of the art 399 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,519 shop. It's you should see pictures of it. It's it's quite impressive. 400 00:32:37,839 --> 00:32:42,160 So I would love to see, you know, more cards, but they're 401 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,039 not going to be able to do anything. Panini won't be able to do 402 00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:50,079 anything with that license of Michael Jordan's, so we won't we won't have any 403 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,759 Michael Jordan cards in NASCAR. It would be cool. So what about Tiger 404 00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:59,279 Woods switching or leaving Nike? Did he leave voluntarily or was this a you 405 00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:02,279 know, some something that Nike said bye bye? I mean, I don't 406 00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:06,880 know. Did they sign his son? Did Nike sign his son? I 407 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,599 mean, I don't know. I don't see how they would let this guy 408 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:15,240 walk away. It had to be something that he wanted because he's still active 409 00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:21,039 in golf. His son is an up and coming to the to the league. 410 00:33:21,079 --> 00:33:22,519 Why would they let him go? I don't I don't know. There's 411 00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:28,440 more to that story, I believe, you know is was Nike really getting 412 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,200 its money's worth though? With Tiger Woods? I mean I read that over 413 00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:38,319 the twenty seven years that Tiger was part of Nike, they paid him almost 414 00:33:38,359 --> 00:33:45,799 five hundred million dollars. Wow, how much? How many golf shoes did 415 00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:52,960 they sell? Or red shirts? How many golf balls and drivers did Nike 416 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:59,640 sell during that period? I mean, I don't. I think Nike was 417 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:04,920 in before Tiger, but all they made were shoes and apparel, but they 418 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:10,840 didn't make equipment. And I think years ago Tiger stopped using Nike equipment. 419 00:34:13,519 --> 00:34:17,280 You know, I don't even think Nike even makes clubs anymore. So, 420 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:22,639 so the return on investment is just not there for Tiger. Yeah, because 421 00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:29,079 the marketing stuff doesn't really sell too much with golf. Yeah, you don't 422 00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:36,519 see people wearing you know, air Tiger ones or whatever. That's a great 423 00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:38,239 point. That's a great point. Yeah, catching up on some of these 424 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,800 comments, I'm way behind on some of them. I'm gonna go back to 425 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,679 a comment that I saw. That's all I had started. But looking at 426 00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:52,039 some of these comments, John says, I would think Nike paid Tiger more 427 00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:53,440 than five hundred million. I would too. I think it's probably more than 428 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,360 that, because you know, I remember a time when they were talking about 429 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:02,480 Tiger Woods being the first billionaire. Not only that, the liability of of 430 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,239 what Tiger has been the last you know, decade or so, the fires 431 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:12,239 that Nikes have had to put out all of his personal stuff, right, 432 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,000 very true. He really hasn't played much over the last decade either. Yeah, 433 00:35:16,199 --> 00:35:22,119 yeah, like that. Nike stopped making clubs in twenty sixteen, seventeens. 434 00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:24,960 Wow, so it's been a while now. So the handwriting was on 435 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:30,840 the wall back then much. Yeah, there's a limited schedule. Nike's not 436 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:35,239 getting much exposure if he doesn't play. That's very true. Yeah, because 437 00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:38,280 he always wore wear that Nike shirt, Nike hat. I'm sure he's got 438 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:44,840 Nike underwear. And what other golfers wear Nike gear? You know, I 439 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:50,960 don't. I don't watch golf enough to know. So where where did he 440 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,639 go? Where? What was the shoe company? Did he that? Tiger 441 00:35:52,679 --> 00:36:00,559 went to a different I think he started playing tailor made club, but as 442 00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:07,159 far as apparel and shoes, I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if 443 00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:12,239 Fanatics goes and pursues Tiger Woods. He's still a big name, he's still 444 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,760 a goat. But he's also upper deck exclusive the body of work. Oh, 445 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,159 he's also upper deck exclusive. That's right, that's right. He's wearing 446 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,039 foot Joys. So you know, with all of these with you know, 447 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:30,000 Lebron and everything leaving upper deck and everything. Do you guys think that this 448 00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:34,960 is also a play by Fanatics to kind of, you know, put the 449 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,840 herd on upper deck? I mean, what are your thoughts on that? 450 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:43,159 Go ahead, Victor, I don't know, man. Possibly, possibly, 451 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:49,360 yeah, because they're playing some hardball. So you don't think that Fanatics wouldn't 452 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:57,239 want the trading card rights to Tiger Woods. I really would everything. I 453 00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:00,679 mean, listen, Tiger Woods, the portfolio. Let let's throw enough money 454 00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:06,760 at at Michael Jordan's see if he if he budges you know who knows. 455 00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:08,719 It seems like it seems like there's a lot of money being thrown around to 456 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:14,559 get these elite athletes to to sign with Fanatics. Yeah. I mean, 457 00:37:14,639 --> 00:37:17,480 Fanatics wants to be the end all be all. They want to be the 458 00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:24,239 Amazon dot Com for sports, and they're winning for now. For now. 459 00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:29,039 I just don't see that. I don't know how that trend can continue, 460 00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:32,480 but you know, we'll we will see. See. I wonder if I 461 00:37:32,519 --> 00:37:36,800 wonder if Rolex has dropped Tiger yet. I do not know, as anybody 462 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:42,559 heard, you guys know that it's a good question. What are Tiger Wood's 463 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,719 well, he's got a lot of high dollar sponsors. So so Chris is 464 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:51,159 googling. We'll move on. Yeah, he's wearing foot Joy's shoes. That's 465 00:37:51,199 --> 00:37:58,719 it. Thanks, Frank, appreciate that Kayles's shoes. Like see, he 466 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:04,199 has a lucrative deal with Monster in Chris froze. Is his internet connection not 467 00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:12,280 not doing so well? This is I think an episode of The Matrix Tailor 468 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,760 Made Clubs got you? Yeah you you you froze up there for a second. 469 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:22,760 Chris am back now, yeah you're back man. So Tiger has deals 470 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:30,159 with Monster Energy, Rolex bridgetone Tires, Upper Deck, and two K Sports 471 00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:35,639 according to the According to the Sun, I feel kind of bad reading the 472 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,599 Sun, but that was the only one that came up. But anyway, 473 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:43,039 Yeah, I like this comment, and I should just just focus on putting 474 00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:46,119 out, putting out the many fires that in the production market and in the 475 00:38:46,119 --> 00:38:51,079 marketing departments. Yeah, there's there's been a lot of issues, a lot 476 00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:54,280 of a lot of stuff being back doored somehow with people getting out with some 477 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:59,440 of these cards. That's that's that's bad for the hobby. And you know, 478 00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:02,440 let me a quick story back in the back in the eighties, of 479 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:07,840 course, Donris manufactured here in Memphis, and I was at one of the 480 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:13,800 l c s's and this lady walks in asking the shop owner if he bought 481 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,679 cards. He said, yeah, it just depends on what you got. 482 00:39:16,039 --> 00:39:23,000 She literally reaches into her braut these autographed cal Ripken junior cards, stock of 483 00:39:23,079 --> 00:39:27,880 them, and uh, the owner goes, I'm sorry, I'm not interested. 484 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:34,440 But apparently this this woman had worked at uh Donras downtown and just hey, 485 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,280 here's here's a stack of cal Riptan junior autograph cards. I'm gonna stick 486 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:38,599 these down here and see what I can do with them, because I heard 487 00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:43,840 they're valuable. So that kind of thing has been going on for for quite 488 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,519 some time, and you know, it's it's sometimes it's very hard to control 489 00:39:49,519 --> 00:39:53,159 because you can't you there's only so many body places you can I think you 490 00:39:53,199 --> 00:39:58,840 can search. Yeah, these days you can't. You just can't go in 491 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,880 and you know, invade somebody's space. So, you know, but what 492 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,840 do y'all think about all these production problems that are going on right now as 493 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,920 far as production and then you know, things getting getting back doored and people 494 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:15,079 showing up on eBay with all these one of ones that it would take you 495 00:40:15,559 --> 00:40:20,920 thousands of cases to hit. I think they need to get a handle on 496 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,960 it immediately. They need to do I mean, the thing that that I 497 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:31,679 don't understand is if you're fencing a lot of these backdoor ones of one, 498 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:37,760 why would you put them all on eBay at the same time, like a 499 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:44,760 week before the product's released. I and you're basically that's just not smart. 500 00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:49,679 I mean, you put a little bit of out every if not that I 501 00:40:49,679 --> 00:40:54,079 would know anything about stealing, about trafficking and stolen cards on eBay or anything, 502 00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:59,360 but if I, if I did, I'd be smart enough to not, 503 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:04,039 you know, put them all out at once. Well, nobody said 504 00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:07,159 that these people were smart that are stealing things. So and that, and 505 00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:10,920 that's usually the case. We've got some of the dumbest criminals here in this 506 00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:15,440 city. So we see it every night on the news. So you know, 507 00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:17,679 generally, if if you're dumb enough to steal, then you're gonna be 508 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,480 dumb enough to to expose yourself. I think so, and that's what's going 509 00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:24,679 on. Some of these people are just that stupid. But I don't like 510 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,239 it. I think it's it's a bad look for the hobby. Again, 511 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,159 it shows more hobby greed in my opinion, because people think, oh, 512 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,920 these cards are worth this, and so I better see if I can steal 513 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,639 them and and sell them and make some money, you know, and and 514 00:41:38,639 --> 00:41:42,320 and that that kind of goes back to the tenexting thing. You know, 515 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,880 people people in the hobby for the wrong reason, and that's that's that's that's 516 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:51,800 that's bad. Yeah, And unfortunately we have a history of you know, 517 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,400 when when bad actors get caught like that, it's just like a you know, 518 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,960 a slap on the hand and go away like it's no big deal. 519 00:41:59,039 --> 00:42:04,239 Even in taking the route of justice, it's you know what a year probation 520 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,679 is what they get, you know. But I do believe we've had some 521 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:13,599 more serious offenses here in the last year or so that have actually led to 522 00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:19,400 prison sentences. And I think that's gonna be when when that that has to 523 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,320 be when the consequences match the crime, right, that's that's when things going 524 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:27,239 to change. But until we agree, when all we do is slap on 525 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:31,519 a hand in six months probation, it doesn't doesn't move the needle. Well, 526 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,360 you know, of course, I keep going back to living here in 527 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:40,079 Memphis, but that's that's exactly what's going on here. Uh with the criminals. 528 00:42:40,159 --> 00:42:44,960 You know, they get caught and they know that all they have to 529 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,119 do is post bail or whatever, they're going to be out the next day. 530 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:52,320 So what there there's there's nothing to stop them, no deterrent, no 531 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:57,239 anything to stop them from going out and just continually doing these bad things. 532 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,159 And you're right. The hobby is, you know, has a very short 533 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:05,960 term memory, you know, and is also very forgiving, and people forget 534 00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:09,639 real quick about all these controversies and all these people, you know, doing 535 00:43:09,679 --> 00:43:15,159 these bad things and stuff. So you know, like you're right. Until 536 00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:20,320 there's some some consequences for your actions, it's gonna keep happening because, like 537 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,760 I said, we we have that we have that problem with crime here right 538 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,639 now, and until we can get a handle on it in the hobby, 539 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,079 it's it's never going to change, unfortunately. And I think most of the 540 00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:35,480 schemes and most of the theft it's all happening with amongst collectors. They it's 541 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,119 collectors that have gone bad, right, they kind of know what to go 542 00:43:38,199 --> 00:43:43,519 for, they kind of know how to move it and and I don't know, 543 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,840 it's it's it's crazy. It's the allure of easy money. It is 544 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:52,480 the allure of easy money. And you know, and that goes back to 545 00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:55,840 a lot of hype, you know, because you see on the news somebody 546 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,880 has, you know, got this card that's worth X number of dollars and 547 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,280 they got it out of a new pack and things, and people are going, 548 00:44:02,559 --> 00:44:06,480 oh, I can get rich quick. Oh I want to go do 549 00:44:06,559 --> 00:44:12,039 this, And it's you know, I hate that because I the hobby for 550 00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:16,039 me has never been motivated by money. It's always been motivated by fun for 551 00:44:16,159 --> 00:44:20,960 me, ever since I started opening my very first pack of cards. So 552 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,920 that's I think again. I think, you know, if you're going to 553 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:29,320 be, if you're a collector, you've got the collecting gene already in you. 554 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:30,880 You know. I think I got it from my grandma because my grandma 555 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:35,280 was a collector. And so that that's kind of where I stand with that. 556 00:44:35,679 --> 00:44:37,679 Let's see catch up. Let's catch up real quick on some comments. 557 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:44,880 See TJ says all major track pools of late advertise on top of social media, 558 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,079 Yeah, have all been Breaker related. Yeah, And that's that's another 559 00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:51,199 crazy thing that's going right on right now with these breakers. I think buys 560 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,800 the bulk of these products. You know, Oh, I know, not 561 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:59,519 collectors, it's breakers. Yeah, but you know, the collectors are supporting 562 00:44:59,519 --> 00:45:04,800 the breaker, so quit supporting these breakers. We'll we'll, you know, 563 00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:07,440 they're doing these bad things, and and maybe we'll have some good stuff going 564 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,920 on in the hobby because you know, there's unfortunately there's a lot of shady 565 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:15,599 stuff going on there, which could be a whole episode of Hobby Hotline there 566 00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:20,639 by itself. See yeah, talking about vintage, you know up here, 567 00:45:21,079 --> 00:45:22,800 Joseph says, vintage collecting the only way to go in the hobby. Now. 568 00:45:23,199 --> 00:45:27,400 I'm you know, I'm a vintage guy. I don't collect a lot 569 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,320 of baseball, but I do have some vintage baseball cards and I and I 570 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:35,159 used to collect baseball cards until I sold them back a long time ago and 571 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,159 uh went to went to do a NASCAR But uh, yeah, I'm a 572 00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,519 vintage kind of guy. You know. I love I love vintage. I 573 00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:45,400 think that can't go wrong with it. I'm really torn on this idea. 574 00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:47,400 I really struggle, and I guess I'm kind of on the fence. I 575 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:52,519 mean, I have vintage collector of vintage, but at the same time, 576 00:45:52,119 --> 00:45:58,320 I also like collecting rookie cards of hot players today. You know, I 577 00:45:58,519 --> 00:46:04,239 love guys who are in the five to ten year range that are headed. 578 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,960 They're not in the Hall of Fame, but they're headed towards the Hall of 579 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,519 Fame, you know what I mean. I enjoy collecting the cards of players 580 00:46:10,559 --> 00:46:15,679 that I enjoy watching today. So it's kind of that's a struggle for me 581 00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:20,440 to be like pro vintage only I believe in being pro vintage, but I 582 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,559 also like the the modern day players too. I guess, well, there's 583 00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:29,960 there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, you know, because being a NASCAR collector, 584 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,519 that's all I have is newer stuff. So that's that's the way I 585 00:46:32,559 --> 00:46:37,760 have to roll. But I enjoy it. Unfortunately, it seems like we 586 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,599 haven't had as many issues lately to try to collect. I think that's going 587 00:46:40,679 --> 00:46:45,039 to change in twenty twenty four, so that'll be that'll be a good thing 588 00:46:45,039 --> 00:46:49,559 to look forward to see. White Sox. Tom says flippers grew in the 589 00:46:49,559 --> 00:46:53,760 hobby. I will say that, you know, flippers may be a necessary 590 00:46:53,840 --> 00:47:00,239 evil from the hobby because they find the stuff that the collectors buy. So 591 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,480 that's kind of kind of the way that I think that goes. Let's see 592 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,480 here, TJ says, Amen, Victor, I'm one hundred percent of vintage, 593 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,559 but by modern. Allen and Ginter with his son, they love opening 594 00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:14,519 packs together. That's a that's a cool thing. You know. That's my 595 00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:20,840 son. He's thirty two years old and he came over here for Christmas Christmas 596 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,679 morning and I had packs of cards in his stocking and we opened up his 597 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:28,880 cards. So that was fun. That's that's always a good thing. It 598 00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,760 is. See, Yeah, Boozle says, flippers don't bother him. Scammers 599 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:36,800 do, yes, Well, yeah, scammers are. They're they're bad for 600 00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,079 the hobby day. We've had him forever. It just seems like with social 601 00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:45,079 media they get they get highlighted more now. But it's unfortunate. Will you 602 00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:52,280 guys think about all that about about the scammers in the hobby real quick scammers 603 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,880 and everything. You know, you just gotta just gotta be smart. Something's 604 00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:00,400 too good to be true. It probably is that that is so true, 605 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:05,920 you know. I'll always I see a lot of fake Dale Earnhardt senior autographs 606 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,880 on eBay and people are always asking me or Val, you know, is 607 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,639 this real or not? And of course we you know, we look at 608 00:48:12,639 --> 00:48:15,519 we can tell pretty quick if it's real or not. So yeah, there's 609 00:48:15,519 --> 00:48:17,360 a lot of people trying to make a quick bug by scamming. For sure, 610 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,920 real quick, I've got the official Boston Terrier of Hobby hotline just showed 611 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:29,639 up. Say how bella there you go? All right, all right, 612 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,280 I guess one of the things I do have. It's kind of a personal 613 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:37,599 thing with me and Val on our show on Nascard Radio. We're kind of 614 00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:42,800 taking a cue from Victor on his baseball card Hall of Fame. We're doing 615 00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:47,159 a racing card Hall of Fame, and I'll show you the q R code 616 00:48:47,159 --> 00:48:51,480 we've got real quick, I'll talk about it. We're currently doing a racing 617 00:48:51,519 --> 00:48:54,400 card Hall of Fame. We've got forty cards on the ballot and you can 618 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:59,360 vote for your top ten cards. We had. We took, We took 619 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:05,039 all the nominees that were submitted by all of our listeners and watchers from NASCAR 620 00:49:05,199 --> 00:49:07,599 Radio. But anyway, if you want to go out there and vote, 621 00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:10,719 check it out. It's uh B I T dot L Y slash r C 622 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,320 h O F ballot and it's going to ask you for a password, and 623 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:20,199 the password is our c h o F and all cats. So go out 624 00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,480 there check it out. If you guys like racing and like, uh, 625 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:27,280 like racing cards, Uh, we'd appreciate you guys voting for the Racing Card 626 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,440 Hall of Fame. That would be be really really cool. Now, is 627 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:36,079 this exclusively just NASCAR cards? You're not gonna have like Formula one or No, 628 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,159 that's a good question. No, it's no, it's it's all. 629 00:49:39,199 --> 00:49:45,199 It's all. It's all racing. It could be cards from even airplane racing. 630 00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:46,840 There were no nominated. But we've got Formula one, we've got drag 631 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:52,079 racing, We've got NASCAR on there. So it's it's the racing car it's 632 00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:53,719 not the NASCAR Card Hall of Fame. It's the Racing Card Hall of Fame. 633 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,760 But again we like I said, we took a cue from Victor on 634 00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,559 doing that. Well yeah, no, and it's the it's the Sports Card 635 00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:05,360 Hall of Fame network. It was actually started by Ray Fonio. But I'd 636 00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,760 love the concept. I wish you would have said something. We would have 637 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:12,920 loved to partner with you in this endeavor and we could have. Really I 638 00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:15,480 just found out about it here recently, but keep that in mind in the 639 00:50:15,519 --> 00:50:22,960 future. But I love the concept because I always am intrigued with getting certain 640 00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:28,039 cards, like racing for instance. I don't have any, to be honest 641 00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:31,519 with you, but I wouldn't mind dabbling in if I just only knew what 642 00:50:31,639 --> 00:50:37,960 to get, right, I would love to pick up a card and add 643 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,559 it to my PC. And I think this avenue, this is why I'm 644 00:50:39,559 --> 00:50:45,119 really looking forward to the result, because it's it's what the hobby says, 645 00:50:45,199 --> 00:50:50,400 right, It's what the hobby has deemed as the best cards for this for 646 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,280 this genre, and I would I'm really looking forward to that so I can 647 00:50:53,679 --> 00:50:58,639 go out and pick up a couple of cards. So yeah, with that 648 00:50:58,679 --> 00:51:02,320 being said, we've had the the racing car community completely involved with this ever 649 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:07,599 since the inception of it. We took nominations from everybody, and then we 650 00:51:07,679 --> 00:51:15,119 have a five panel crew that we went through and we took all the nominations 651 00:51:15,199 --> 00:51:19,920 and like if there were certain cars that did everybody nominated and there were certain 652 00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,000 cars that very few got nominated, So we went we actually went by the 653 00:51:22,039 --> 00:51:27,400 vote totals and the nomination totals of how many cars were nominated. Then that's 654 00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,519 how we made our list. Of forty because we I think we had a 655 00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:35,960 list of like eighty three cards total, but we narrowed it down to the 656 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,199 forty. And then of course now we're going to narrow it down to the 657 00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:42,480 ten with the first class in twenty twenty four of the Racing Card Hall of 658 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:47,400 Fame. So so it's gonna be fun. It's and again we used your 659 00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,639 idea with the Google docs that worked out very very well. There you go, 660 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,440 There you go. So I like that, you know, like I 661 00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,480 said, I kind of stole a lot of it from you, guys. 662 00:51:55,639 --> 00:52:00,280 Imitation is to the highest form of flattery, right, We appreciate you guys 663 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:05,320 doing the hard work on the front end and we just kind of copied it. 664 00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:09,000 Good luck to you and thanks. Well, it looks like we're getting 665 00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:13,880 close to the end here, guys. We've had a great show. You 666 00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,440 guys, have any party comments, anything, you know where people can find 667 00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,880 you on social media that kind of thing. Go ahead, Victor, I'll 668 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,480 let you go first. Yeah, Victor, I can be found anywhere at 669 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:30,079 True Underscore RCS, any any social media platform. Glad to be on today. 670 00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:35,880 Thank you everybody. The chat was just on fire today and have a 671 00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,280 great weekend. Everybody happy football watching right, kind of happy. We were 672 00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:47,800 able to squeeze out an hour running shorthanded. So yeah. Hopefully my column 673 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,800 for Hobby News Daily will be out this week. It's a little late because 674 00:52:52,840 --> 00:53:00,079 I've been sick in the holidays. I got nothing, nothing else. Call 675 00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:09,079 me at stalegum on whatever Elon's calling it now, baseballcardpedia dot com for all 676 00:53:09,119 --> 00:53:15,960 your baseball card reference needs, fabulous website. Keep on rocket in the free 677 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:21,800 world. And I think I'm on in three weeks. First week of February, 678 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,639 I'll be back on Hobby Hotline. Who do we have on next week? 679 00:53:27,159 --> 00:53:29,679 I am not sure. I have not looked at the schedule. Look 680 00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:31,440 it up. Hold on, Chris is going to look it up. And 681 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:35,800 while he's looking that up, I want to thank everybody in the chat, 682 00:53:36,119 --> 00:53:38,320 everybody for watching today. I appreciate all you guys. We all do. 683 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:44,519 Uh. You can find me. I'm at King Nascar on Twitter. Mostly 684 00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:46,840 you can't find me on Facebook, but I don't talk about much of the 685 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:51,840 hobby on Facebook. All my hobby stuff's on Twitter. And we also do 686 00:53:52,199 --> 00:53:57,000 Nascard Radio with val mars In myself, so check that out. And also 687 00:53:57,079 --> 00:54:01,440 check out the Racing Card Hall of Fame. And one week from today we'll 688 00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:07,360 have Danny Black, Mike moynihan, and Adam from Heroes for Sale. Pretty 689 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:12,039 good, yeah, good lineup. All right, all right, guys, 690 00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,559 I thanks, thank you guys for really helping me out today with all this 691 00:54:15,639 --> 00:54:20,360 engineering and everything that I was doing. And with that, we will check 692 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,000 you folks later, all right, good birds,