WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.680 --> 00:00:06.040 You're going to get challenged what I call the army of the aliens, which 2 00:00:06.080 --> 00:00:10.759 is your own self, and what that is is your subconscious. Your subconscious 3 00:00:10.839 --> 00:00:14.839 is going to send you what I call negative thoughts like this one. You're 4 00:00:14.960 --> 00:00:20.679 in a seventeen to eighteenth toll, you're putting for a birdie crucial situation. 5 00:00:21.199 --> 00:00:24.760 As you're getting prepared in your preshot routine, you might hear in your head, 6 00:00:24.800 --> 00:00:28.480 Oh, they're gonna blow this one again like you've done so many times. 7 00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:33.479 And for the unprepared golfer, the golfer who doesn't have a method, 8 00:00:33.960 --> 00:00:38.439 that's probably enough to shake them in their boots, or to give them a 9 00:00:38.479 --> 00:00:42.200 little sweat in their palms of their heart beats, a little quicker, their 10 00:00:42.240 --> 00:00:46.679 mind goes off a little bit, and they don't sink that putt. That's 11 00:00:46.759 --> 00:00:52.079 frustrating, especially when they know they have the talent and they've done it before. 12 00:00:53.200 --> 00:00:56.600 Hi, this is just have Winnam from Pinehurst, North Carolina. I 13 00:00:56.640 --> 00:01:00.640 play at Pinehurst number six and this is Golf Smarter number nine hundred and thirty 14 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:07.799 eight. Kimi lubi jagis Aaron Rod and Carrie Valentine on how pros overcome adversity. 15 00:01:08.120 --> 00:01:15.120 This is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from great golf 16 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:19.159 mindes to help you lower your score and raise your golf IQ. Here's your 17 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:23.920 host, Fred Green. It's my time of year where I get to say 18 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:29.760 Helloha, Kerry, welcome back to Golf Smarter. Helloja, Fred, It 19 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:33.799 is awesome to see you and mahalaanui loa for having me on. I always 20 00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:37.599 appreciate it. Oh yeah, well, you know, you provide us with 21 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:41.680 some really fascinating content. Every year we've been doing this. How many years 22 00:01:41.680 --> 00:01:46.480 have we done this? Now? Gosh six where you go out to the 23 00:01:46.519 --> 00:01:53.239 Sony Open, you go to the couple different PGA events at in Hawaii and 24 00:01:55.159 --> 00:01:59.000 you bring a recorder with you and you find a way to get close to 25 00:01:59.040 --> 00:02:02.680 these guys and start having conversations with them. And this year, thank you 26 00:02:02.760 --> 00:02:08.560 so much saying yeah I'm here with Golf Smarter podcast. It's like nice for 27 00:02:08.599 --> 00:02:15.159 sure. So, how so this year, like last year we had you 28 00:02:15.199 --> 00:02:19.120 had like five or six different players that you had conversation with, this year 29 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:23.560 it's down to two. Yeah, were there were there barriers that you had 30 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:27.520 to cross? What was the deal this time? A number of things the 31 00:02:27.599 --> 00:02:31.360 number of factors. One is, I would say the presence of live is 32 00:02:31.400 --> 00:02:37.560 one where some of the guys that some of the guys that I've interviewed over 33 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:39.919 the years are now playing on live. Some of the guys that I'm interested 34 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:45.520 to interview are playing on live. So that's a part of it. So 35 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:50.719 there the field obviously it is full, it's Sony Open, but it's also 36 00:02:50.919 --> 00:02:53.360 since it's the first full field event, it has a lot of rookies in 37 00:02:53.400 --> 00:03:01.240 it, and so there's less of experienced goffers that I'm looking forward to interview 38 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:07.360 and things like that. But I'm off obviously also interested in talking to rookies 39 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:13.960 like you know I've done in the pasture, and so that was part of 40 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:20.319 it. The other element is, unfortunately my schedule during that particular week was 41 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:28.840 just really busy and so my chance, my chance to interact with the golfers 42 00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:34.319 was a bit more limited. And so you know, it's all like I 43 00:03:34.439 --> 00:03:37.800 just show up and see who's around and who's able to talk, and you 44 00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:42.919 know, my things like Stuart Sink, who I've interviewed a number of times 45 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:51.159 and just have a fabulous time interviewing because he's so incredibly candid and we saw 46 00:03:51.199 --> 00:03:55.400 each other and we you know, he was on his way to working on 47 00:03:55.560 --> 00:03:59.960 some bunker shots and and we talked and he said, yeah, come, 48 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:01.800 you know, check back with me in a little bit. I'll be you 49 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:05.240 know, back on the practice screen. And I was interviewing some of the 50 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:09.120 other golfers and by the time I got back, he was gone. And 51 00:04:09.159 --> 00:04:12.560 then you know, those kind of things happen, you know they do. 52 00:04:13.199 --> 00:04:15.519 It's just yeah, it's just you got it. It's just all in the 53 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:21.839 moment and the other the other thing interesting enough for me, I was also 54 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:28.160 busier at the golf course talking to people. People were interested in things I'm 55 00:04:28.199 --> 00:04:33.199 doing and different kind of kind of partnerships and things like that coming together. 56 00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:36.800 So it's just it was just like a really unique moment. It was like, 57 00:04:36.839 --> 00:04:40.839 oh, this hasn't happened before, but okay, here we are, 58 00:04:42.240 --> 00:04:46.920 go with it. Just go yes, nonetheless, go ahead. Nonetheless. 59 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:54.519 I'm really excited for the listeners to hear the interviews because there's some interesting elements 60 00:04:54.519 --> 00:04:58.480 in there. Yeah, And what we've done in the past is we've broken 61 00:04:58.519 --> 00:05:01.439 it down by topic and and like played the different cuts from each of the 62 00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:05.120 guys. This time we're gonna do something different because you have two players here, 63 00:05:05.160 --> 00:05:08.959 and we'll talk about that in a second, but we're just gonna run 64 00:05:09.199 --> 00:05:15.040 your interview with each of them intact all the way through. And the Uh, 65 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:20.120 Aaron Raye is one of them. Indian player. I didn't leave him 66 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:25.560 on before. Yes, last year he was a rookie last year. He 67 00:05:25.839 --> 00:05:30.839 is Indian descent from England. Okay, yes, okay. And and he 68 00:05:30.040 --> 00:05:35.079 holds the world's record for the most putts in a row. And they have 69 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:40.920 these competitions and almost hold putts in a row. Yeah, yeah, because 70 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:45.920 I probably hold the record for the most putts in a row, yes, 71 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:49.360 most successful potts, most you know. Uh, and holds a Guinness Book 72 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:53.600 of World Records for that. Do you talk about that with it with him? 73 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:57.199 I did? I did last year? Last year we did. Yeah. 74 00:05:57.360 --> 00:06:01.160 So if anyone's interested check out last year interview, please do, please 75 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:06.600 do, and I'll put in the show notes when it was before. Okay, 76 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:13.839 So what did you goause? The interview with Aaron is longer than the 77 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:18.839 second one that we have with Camillo Vijegis, but you got into more stuff 78 00:06:18.879 --> 00:06:21.680 with him and he remembered you. It was really sweet. He remembered you 79 00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:27.720 and he enjoyed the conversation that you had together. Yes, yes, and 80 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:31.800 I too, he he was. It was special, seriously, just human 81 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:39.240 to human last year talking and it was a great connection and that and that 82 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:45.160 gave me the the little bit of an oomph to dig in a little bit 83 00:06:45.199 --> 00:06:48.879 to him this year. And you can hear it at the end of the 84 00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:57.160 conversation, and I'll talk to you about it, you know, because I 85 00:06:57.199 --> 00:07:02.279 think there was some interesting elements for every offer to take from what what Aaron 86 00:07:02.439 --> 00:07:08.680 was saying and some things that I think he can improve upon. Yeah, 87 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:12.079 I thought so too. So here's what we're gonna do. And let me 88 00:07:12.439 --> 00:07:17.600 just humbly and you know, stated that yet you know, I incredibly appreciate 89 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:23.879 these guys' talents and gifts, especially with Aaron, and I humbly say that. 90 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:27.360 So okay, thank you for saying that. So what we're gonna do 91 00:07:27.480 --> 00:07:30.680 now is we're gonna take a break right now, and we'll come out of 92 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:35.319 the break with a full interview with Aaron Rye and then we'll take another break 93 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:39.839 after that and then come back and discuss it. So we'll be back. 94 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:44.680 Well, I won't be back carry and Aaron Rye will be back right after 95 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:58.879 this. Hello, very very good. I just had a very appreciative conversation 96 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:01.759 with you. Let me vot. I mean, I've talked to a lot 97 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:05.560 of golfers, but something was different talking with you. It was really nice. 98 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:11.079 It's a very different kind of interview. It felt a lot more personal 99 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:16.959 than generally the generic German questions. And then we have which, which was 100 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:20.759 really nice. Yeah, So this must be I would imagine, like an 101 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:26.680 amazing process from where you were last year and playing all the tournaments to now 102 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:31.200 and starting again you know this second you know in that sense this second season, 103 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:37.320 and do you have certain goals? Are you resetting looking at things like 104 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:41.759 from where things were last year to this year and go, okay, where 105 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:45.360 there's certain goals you reach, certain goals that you were like, yeah, 106 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:50.080 I really want to work more on whatever that would be. Yeah. I 107 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:56.200 try not to set too many external goals in the form of results or achievements. 108 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:00.759 Have in the past, but I've felt like that hasn't really helped to 109 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:03.960 push me forwards. I think when I focus more on the game and the 110 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:09.279 skills of the game, I think I enjoy the game more and I probably 111 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:16.360 play better as a result. So my goals, I guess are more kind 112 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:22.320 of based on improving the game and just keep trying to learn about myself and 113 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:28.000 try and do the little bits that I can a little bit better and just 114 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:33.679 see where that takes me. I think if I keep continuing to improve, 115 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:37.240 then hopefully the results will just follow. And I say, I know that 116 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:41.919 sounds very cliche, but I really try and follow that as much in my 117 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:46.759 golf and in areas outside in my life, rather than trying to have external 118 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:50.039 achievements. I think if the internal parts are good and you do the right 119 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:56.000 things, hopefully the other things just just follow. There's certain elements that you 120 00:09:56.200 --> 00:10:01.000 saw during this season, you know, playing go okay, I need to 121 00:10:01.039 --> 00:10:05.759 adjust to this or what were you kind of tweaking or learning or growing. 122 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:11.320 If there's anything specific that you'd be happy to share it. Yeah, So 123 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:16.440 within the game, for instance, last season, my putting was good in 124 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:18.799 certain weeks, but it was a little bit off onun of the weeks. 125 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:24.000 I didn't feel like the consistency was quite there. So that's probably the biggest 126 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:28.960 area a focus even over the last couple of months in the off season. 127 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:35.279 Pretty similar with my wedge play probably from kind of thirty to one hundred hundred 128 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:39.440 and ten yards. I think that's another area that can be just tightened up 129 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:43.159 a little bit. The good is good, but it's just a little bit 130 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:48.639 too inconsistent. I think. Also just improving my play out of the rough 131 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:52.759 as well when I miss fair ways, just trying to get a little bit 132 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:58.759 stronger and just improve a little bit of technique in those situations. And those 133 00:10:58.759 --> 00:11:03.879 are the main aspects really, just trying to, as I said, get 134 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:05.200 a little bit stronger as well to help out of the rough, but also 135 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:09.840 to help with a bit of injury prevention moving forwards and hopefully with a little 136 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:15.480 bit of increase in distance in the coming years if I keep continuing to get 137 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:18.960 fitter. So those are those are the four main areas really within the game 138 00:11:20.480 --> 00:11:26.600 and any kind of mental game thought during process that you saw, Okay, 139 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:31.200 I'm adjusting to this, like things that maybe you didn't expect or did expect, 140 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:35.320 but it was like, okay, I gotta work on this and talk 141 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:39.360 to my dad, Moron, X, Y and Z or whatever. Yeah, 142 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:43.679 just trying to again very cliche, but trying to really stay as present 143 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:50.840 as possible and really yeah, just really try and stay as focused but as 144 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:56.840 as calm as possible, and I think getting that balance between keeping the intensity 145 00:11:56.080 --> 00:12:03.279 high but also not so to a point where you're drained at the end of 146 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:05.240 the first round on the eighteenth pole, because it's very hard to stay in 147 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:09.519 that mindset for five odd hours, which is how long we're out there. 148 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:13.639 So I think getting that balance between really switching on and staying very present, 149 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:18.399 but then in between shots to not let my mind drift too much, but 150 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:22.679 also not to be too intense to a point where I can't keep the focus 151 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:28.559 up for the duration of the round. So I think just figuring out what 152 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:31.000 that balance is like, and also not trying to force it to be the 153 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:35.320 same every day, because I think ultimately we're human and we are different on 154 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:39.799 a day to day basis, So just kind of going with what feels best 155 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:43.600 on that day and trying to read myself well enough to get the most out 156 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:48.399 of myself mentally on a day to day basis. As well as what we 157 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:54.559 discussed there with the game earlier. Great. I know a lot of elite 158 00:12:54.600 --> 00:13:00.320 amateur golfers who, let's here, are playing around in competition and have hit 159 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:05.240 a few shots that go ob or just a few a few holes that are 160 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:11.080 challenging for them, and they and they often find it difficult to reset rebound 161 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:15.320 from that, And I wondered what your experience is like maybe that could help 162 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:18.960 them, or what you you know, if you've ever find that happens to 163 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:22.120 yourself, or what do you do to kind of make sure you do your 164 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:28.759 best to rebound in that sense. I think one of the neat parts about 165 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:33.759 golf is that whether we're here playing on the PGA tool or in your example, 166 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:37.840 whether you're an amateur that's hit the ball ob a couple of times, 167 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:41.960 there are certain feelings that you can relate to no matter what standard you are. 168 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:45.559 I think for me that happens to me as well, of course, 169 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:50.960 And I think no matter how good your game is, no matter how good 170 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:54.639 you are mentally, that's always a challenge to try and reset and refocus yourself. 171 00:13:56.559 --> 00:14:01.320 For me, I try and put things in perspective in the sense of 172 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:05.200 the round. Then let's say, let's say I'm two under and I've hit 173 00:14:05.240 --> 00:14:11.720 it ob. I just try and remind myself that I'm still not in a 174 00:14:11.720 --> 00:14:15.679 bad position even if I make five or if I make six and make double 175 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:18.960 that it's frustrating, but there's still a lot of holes to play, and 176 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:22.480 maybe we've still played some good golf to get to that point. If I'm 177 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:26.679 maybe two over and I've hit it, ob, maybe it's a little bit 178 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:31.159 more difficult to resent to yourself, but to try and use whatever is happening 179 00:14:31.159 --> 00:14:35.159 in your favor. So, for instance, in that situation, if I'm 180 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:37.360 then looking like I'm going to make double to go four over, now, 181 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:41.879 can that just free me up and look at it in a way where things 182 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:48.279 are happening for you, not things are happening against you. And if go 183 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:50.919 into four over and hitting it ob just freeze me up and takes a few 184 00:14:50.919 --> 00:14:54.879 thoughts out of my mind. Hopefully I can finish very strong and still put 185 00:14:54.960 --> 00:15:00.720 an okay round in. So I think trying to use a situation in your 186 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:03.279 favor as much as you can, to try and spin whatever is happening in 187 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:07.159 a way that's working for you while than against you, I think it's something 188 00:15:07.159 --> 00:15:13.039 that helps me. But I think it's obviously each person will have their own 189 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:16.960 way and own thought process in order to try and achieve that. But that's 190 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:20.519 something that I try and do doesn't always happen, but I do try. 191 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:26.080 Is there something that you kind of have an inner conversation with yourself in that 192 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:33.320 moment to kind of I kind of basically acknowledge the situation and say, Okay, 193 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:37.080 I mean re said here and you know, let me stop in a 194 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:41.720 sense, maybe a downward spiral train, if that's happening mentally, They're like, 195 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:46.279 okay, I accept it, or you know, I'm seeing it, 196 00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:50.759 and let me take a you know, let me do what I can to 197 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:54.759 slow that down or stop it. Or and if there are certain techniques or 198 00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:58.279 things that you do or certain phrases, is that okay to share? Or 199 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:07.000 things like yeah, no, that's a great question. For me. I 200 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:12.440 really try and focus on my breathing and even just really tuning into my senses, 201 00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:19.039 whether that's how my feet feel on the floor, deeper breast that I'm 202 00:16:19.080 --> 00:16:33.879 taking, or things along those lines. I think it's it's difficult for me 203 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:37.799 to just say that I just do this one thing, because I feel like 204 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:40.840 there are a number of different parts that work at different times for me. 205 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:45.879 Again, sometimes that's perspective. Sometimes that's speaking to myself. Sometimes that's taken 206 00:16:45.919 --> 00:16:51.399 myself away from the course or trying to remember a point where I feel very 207 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:53.720 happy and peaceful or another time, but I might need to give myself up 208 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:56.639 where I might be a bit more aware of score or whatever. So I 209 00:16:56.639 --> 00:17:00.080 think for me, I just try and read how I feel and then try 210 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:07.440 and give myself what I need to counteract what I feel. So I try 211 00:17:07.480 --> 00:17:11.559 and go about it in different ways at different times to just react to the 212 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:15.880 situation. Really, but the breath is something that I do try and come 213 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:18.759 back to that that comes up quite often and just really trying to stay stick 214 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:23.880 present. So would it be amazing if there was one thing that could help 215 00:17:23.960 --> 00:17:30.200 you kind of like shift that and you can rely on that aspect to just 216 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:34.039 say, Okay, you know, here's I'm in that typical situation where I'm 217 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:41.920 at, and here would be you know, the tool or way to shift 218 00:17:41.920 --> 00:17:45.880 it and then be able to go forward and you know, have that consistency 219 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:49.599 because it sounds like, you know, you try different things and then it's 220 00:17:49.599 --> 00:17:52.880 like is it working or is it now working? Kind of amazing, like 221 00:17:53.240 --> 00:18:00.279 yeah, it's just working, like yeah, definitely, definitely. I think. 222 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:03.640 I guess it's similar to the golf game. I think in many ways 223 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:11.200 where I think everyone has certain fundamentals and keys that work for them. I 224 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:15.400 think it's similar in the mental side that there might be certain things that you 225 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:18.839 constantly come back to. For me, I think that breathing is still is 226 00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:22.839 pretty central, But I think similar to the parallel with the golf game, 227 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:27.039 you've always got to have the flexibility and fluidity to react to whatever is happening, 228 00:18:27.079 --> 00:18:30.720 whether you're drawing it a little bit more than normal, or whether you're 229 00:18:30.759 --> 00:18:34.200 pushing it on that day, or whether you swing doesn't feel quite right, 230 00:18:34.359 --> 00:18:38.359 Just knowing the little adjustments that you need to make where you're not swinging it 231 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:42.279 in a completely new way or you're trying brand new things, but you're just 232 00:18:42.359 --> 00:18:48.279 reacting to the situation that you're in. And I think there's a parallel in 233 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:52.480 the mental side of it there as well, where there are fundamentals that I 234 00:18:52.519 --> 00:18:56.279 think are good to come back to. But I think it's hard to be 235 00:18:56.359 --> 00:19:00.119 so set in your way to say this is always going to work. So 236 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:03.559 I feel like that isn't always the case because there are so many changing factors 237 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:07.799 on the golf course, both the conditions, the lies that we face, 238 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:12.400 how we feel, the situation that we're in. So I think it's that 239 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:18.799 fine balance between having your go to things but also reacting to the situation to 240 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:22.839 try and give yourself the best chance. Yeah. Yeah, And I was 241 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:26.160 meaning more on the mental side. So, like you know, you find 242 00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:30.599 like your mind is like starting to run a muck in that maybe typical pattern 243 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:33.359 when things go astray. It's like, okay, let me ground you back 244 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:38.200 here, because what do you ever consider, like if it's going astray, 245 00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:45.960 it's it's really what it's happening is it's ask inviting you to get stronger with 246 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:51.160 yourself in that moment, Like you said, like you work with your breathing. 247 00:19:51.240 --> 00:19:55.160 But also like, okay, I see some things are challenging right now. 248 00:19:55.240 --> 00:19:59.960 Oh from a mental side, what if I kind of put step in 249 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:03.920 up a nature to to really bring my clarity and focus here, because what 250 00:20:04.039 --> 00:20:08.480 appears to be a challenge, maybe I'm on the doorway of great success by 251 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:12.880 turning this shot around. Yeah. Yeah, and that's what I'm curious about. 252 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:17.079 That's what I'm speaking to you about on that level. Yeah, you 253 00:20:17.119 --> 00:20:22.200 know, that's a great point. That's a great point. I definitely don't 254 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:29.440 have the answers to that. I think, Yeah, I think That's the 255 00:20:29.480 --> 00:20:33.880 cool thing about the game in general. There are so many different facets, 256 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:37.960 and I think each person figures out their own unique way to try and answer 257 00:20:38.519 --> 00:20:45.960 some of the questions that you raise there. And I'm definitely learning because much 258 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:48.799 as anyone else in the whole of this, there are certain things that work 259 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:53.160 for me. But I'm by no means a finished product in that respect. 260 00:20:55.640 --> 00:21:02.319 And you definitely honor your your culture and back with you know, seeing like 261 00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:06.599 you know that pride to you know, when you're playing India and things or 262 00:21:06.839 --> 00:21:10.519 other players to do your very best. I was just curious, how, 263 00:21:10.960 --> 00:21:14.200 you know, by playing on the tour this year, the you know kind 264 00:21:14.240 --> 00:21:18.319 of new goals or not many necessary new goals, but opportunities or feeling like 265 00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:25.480 I can open the doorway to younger Indian golfers and you know, are out 266 00:21:25.519 --> 00:21:30.640 there that see see me as maybe a role model or you know, and 267 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:36.720 kind of feel like I really calling on my presence to do as my very 268 00:21:36.759 --> 00:21:40.079 best to you know, kind of honor the culture and things like that. 269 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:47.319 Yeah, I think it's probably not something I've thought a huge amount about. 270 00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:53.680 I think trying to do the right things and have a good attitude on the 271 00:21:53.720 --> 00:22:00.240 course and try and treat people with respect and try and be as as kind 272 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:07.960 as I can, hopefully sets an example, hopefully show some good qualities for 273 00:22:08.039 --> 00:22:15.359 anyone that may follow or watch, and I think in general that's that's the 274 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:19.920 best way to really I feel that's the best way to inspire. I think 275 00:22:19.920 --> 00:22:26.559 you've got to set the standard yourself rather than trying to say all the right 276 00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:30.119 things. I think it's a lot easier to say the right things as opposed 277 00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:33.759 to try and walk in those shoes and follow your own lead and your own 278 00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:38.519 example. So I think if I can do that, hopefully whatever knock on 279 00:22:38.559 --> 00:22:44.039 effect it has is pretty positive. Overall. It's never always positive and it's 280 00:22:44.039 --> 00:22:48.279 never always negative, but hopefully it's more on the positive side. And yeah, 281 00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:53.039 that's not really something that's in my control as to what effect that I 282 00:22:53.119 --> 00:22:57.519 have, but hopefully, yeah, hopefully it's something that is constructive and not 283 00:22:57.680 --> 00:23:03.680 destructive. A few last questions. I was just curious, you say you 284 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:07.359 focus a lot with your breath. Is that connected to let's say a meditation 285 00:23:08.720 --> 00:23:15.200 style or also any kind of as you're playing, any connections of let's say 286 00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:21.480 a spirit or spirituality when you're on the golf course to you know, kind 287 00:23:21.480 --> 00:23:27.160 of bring those maybe awarenesses or teaching to like help you achieve your greatest potential. 288 00:23:29.319 --> 00:23:33.920 Yeah. I think when I'm when I feel very stressed on the course, 289 00:23:33.160 --> 00:23:38.920 I resort to box breathing or breathe in for four, hold for full, 290 00:23:40.119 --> 00:23:45.880 without for full, and that normally helps to to bring me back to 291 00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:52.039 a more kind of even keel. I think when I feel a little bit 292 00:23:52.200 --> 00:24:00.440 off centered, but not really off centered, I'll really just try and really 293 00:24:00.519 --> 00:24:04.559 just try and almost taste the air and really slow my breathing down and really 294 00:24:04.599 --> 00:24:10.119 feel all the aspects of it. And again, if I focus enough on 295 00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:12.960 that, it takes me away from the thoughts that I'm that I'm having, 296 00:24:14.039 --> 00:24:19.680 which generally brings me back to more of a central point. In terms of 297 00:24:21.440 --> 00:24:26.240 practices, I do try and meditate in the morning and before beds. It's 298 00:24:26.279 --> 00:24:30.599 something I used to do a lot growing up. It's something I drifted away 299 00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:36.079 from in recent years, but it's something that I've built the habits of kind 300 00:24:36.119 --> 00:24:38.599 of getting back to over the last few months, which which has really helped. 301 00:24:40.880 --> 00:24:45.480 And those are just guided meditations, guided morning meditations and guided evening meditation. 302 00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:52.119 So yeah, that's pretty much all I do at the moment. Bad. 303 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:59.880 I appreciate who you are just as a person like I yearned for mark 304 00:25:02.680 --> 00:25:15.240 very comments you've got. Thank you very much. Well, that was fascinating. 305 00:25:15.319 --> 00:25:18.839 Thank you so much for doing that. What what is your takeaways from 306 00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:26.559 your conversation with him? Okay, so, as you heard, I was 307 00:25:26.599 --> 00:25:33.000 sharing with him how he's going to proceed this year. Last year was his 308 00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:36.599 rookie year in the PGA. Do you have new goals, new ideas, 309 00:25:36.640 --> 00:25:41.640 new things that you want to achieve? And his response was kind of like, 310 00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:45.079 well, I'm just taking it as it comes, you know, and 311 00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:53.039 and those kind of approaches. And I personally don't subscribe to that point of 312 00:25:53.119 --> 00:26:00.400 view as a peak performance coach, as a passion in it, athlete and 313 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:06.920 pursuer of excellence and success, as well as a student of the great players 314 00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:11.960 in golf who have won the most talking tiger Woods, you know, we're 315 00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:15.880 talking Jack, Nicholas, Arnold, Palmer, even you know Gary Player. 316 00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:22.799 All of these guys came to play a tournament to win, all of them 317 00:26:23.119 --> 00:26:27.519 and no questions about it, play their very best and win, not just 318 00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:32.640 let's well, I'll just see how it goes and what happens. And again, 319 00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:38.160 please understand, there's nothing wrong with you know, I'm just going to 320 00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:44.200 play it as it goes. I'm not criticizing that. I'm saying, let's 321 00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:48.759 use our abilities and access our mind and our intentions. If you choose to 322 00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:53.559 it elevates your game, elevate your mental state, elevate your game, elevate 323 00:26:53.599 --> 00:26:57.559 your play, elevate your energy as a human being on and off the golf 324 00:26:57.640 --> 00:27:04.279 course. So that's what I'm always interested in looking for. The what kind 325 00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:08.680 of edge can you have over your competitor, How can you improve yourself by 326 00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:15.000 one percent? You know, constantly? And so Aaron, you know, 327 00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:22.240 share like I do have some challenges. His approaches, you know, I 328 00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:26.720 kind of take it fluidly, like I just deal with it as it comes. 329 00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:29.599 And he admitted, he said, like, but I don't have the 330 00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:37.279 answers. And that's that's what gets me. That that Fred, that just 331 00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:41.799 blows my mind because I see it from amateur players, elite amateur players, 332 00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:47.559 and and he's not the only one that I've interviewed at the PGA top level 333 00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:55.799 who are aware of their challenges but are not doing things and and and and 334 00:27:55.799 --> 00:28:03.000 and integrating elements to really really improve those challenges and frustrations and I and to 335 00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:07.160 me, it's like why not, like you are, especially at the PGA 336 00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:11.480 level, but I would say even at the amateur level, there's But I'm 337 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:17.000 saying at the PGA level, because this is your profession, you're leaving what 338 00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:22.000 we would call figuratively and literally money on the table and a huge mount not 339 00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:29.240 just getting by the cut and you know, getting a paycheck, but to 340 00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:33.240 get up that leaderboard and to be at the top not just one or two 341 00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:40.160 or maybe three times in a season, but what about consistently that consistently you 342 00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:44.960 were there. Look at Tiger Woods, it consistently on the top of that 343 00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:48.359 leaderboard consistently. Some of the things that blow me away about Tiger, by 344 00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:52.640 the way, and this is just to me, whether you like him as 345 00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:56.519 a player or not just looking at his statistics, just look at him as 346 00:28:56.599 --> 00:29:02.200 a performer over a block of time, because it's not He's not the same 347 00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:04.519 thing, oh for sure. But I'm talking in his het, in his 348 00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:10.759 in the height right, Okay, in his prime, Tiger very rarely came 349 00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:15.079 from behind to win a tournament. Definitely came from behind. But but come 350 00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:19.680 Sunday, Uh, that was rare. He would be coming from behind on 351 00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:25.160 the on the on the opposite on Sunday if he was leading the tournament. 352 00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:30.279 Very rarely did he give that up right, And everybody around him was totally 353 00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:37.559 intimidated by his presence when he had lead. Yes, and that where did 354 00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:41.279 that come from? How it's there's a realness too about it. Yes, 355 00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:45.839 he had tactics and things that he did, but here was an energy about 356 00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:49.640 him. There was an intensity, a desire and drive. Uh kind of 357 00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:53.160 pedal to the metal. Uh, put your foot on the on the you 358 00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:56.519 know, on the throat kind of thing. It just won't let up. 359 00:29:57.200 --> 00:30:03.200 That that just doesn't come from That wasn't in his in his bag of tricks 360 00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:07.559 with his clubs. That's in his bag of his peak performance. Thinking. 361 00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:15.200 These are what I'm talking about. And again there are different personalities and different 362 00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:18.839 things. Gary Player talks about this like he said, you know, there 363 00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:22.519 are guys on the PGA tour who come for a paycheck, you know, 364 00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:26.960 and again like there's nothing wrong with that, and then there are guys who 365 00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:34.000 are there to win and uh, and that's just that there's more to this 366 00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:37.240 that maybe we'll talk about, Like what comes in the way of that. 367 00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:44.960 I'm just and again, please, if you're listening to this, understand I'm 368 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:51.200 coming from a place of acceptance of all, and where I'm coming from is 369 00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:56.359 a place of truly. If you are frustrated with your level of play and 370 00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:02.640 your challenge is that you see consistently or happening, there is something you can 371 00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:06.720 do about that. And most of these things, a lot of them are 372 00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:12.279 not about swing changes, their peak performance changes, and in essence they're not 373 00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:18.720 hard to make. They're just new and new to integrate. But it's also 374 00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:23.119 I go, why not if you can drop five strokes in around and bring 375 00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:27.559 your game to new heights? Why not? Regardless if you're you know, 376 00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:32.720 just a golfer who just loves to play and doesn't compete, or you are 377 00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:38.519 in a competing situation and play in tournaments, why not? But doesn't that 378 00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:48.160 introduce expectation? Don't you of like I better win or else? Okay, 379 00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:52.079 good question, really good question. No not from? Not from when you 380 00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:56.400 have a method and understanding, can I I'll just share a little bit about 381 00:31:56.440 --> 00:32:04.680 that, yes, please, so yes, before you enter a tournament, 382 00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:13.720 they're definite peak performance tools that you can do and ascertain goals and visualizations and 383 00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:17.279 you know, putting in thoughts. I'll just speak to goals for a second. 384 00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:24.319 Any any salesman, any business people listening to this podcast, probably probably 385 00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:29.960 a lot. Do business people have goals to set goals for their monthly sales, 386 00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:35.759 yearly sales? Most would say yes, right, yes, right, 387 00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:42.279 and especially top top sales people, I would say vast majority have those goals 388 00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:47.559 for what to to push themselves to reach for that plus deeper. Those are 389 00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:54.519 imposed goals. Those are imposed goals by their managers. Oh, it can 390 00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:59.920 be. Many are individuals, right, many and many? You got to 391 00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:04.640 that on as an individual and an entrepreneur, or if you are even in 392 00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:12.960 that sense, okay, now to get there. Yeah, you face challenges, 393 00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:15.759 you face failures, you don't achieve them, but you keep working on 394 00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:21.759 them. And if you keep working on those goals, there's truly nothing to 395 00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:24.400 stop you. You will achieve them. The only thing that often stops us 396 00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:29.640 is the space, the six inch space between our ears, our own self, 397 00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:34.319 our own self. So it's the same thing with Kauf. However, 398 00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:39.160 fred I will say this, if you do have put yourself in the fire 399 00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:45.400 of goals, you better have a method and a system to deal with it, 400 00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:51.440 because why you're going to get challenge what I call the army of the 401 00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:55.319 aliens, which is your own self, and what that is is your subconscious. 402 00:33:55.519 --> 00:34:01.119 Your subconscious is going to send you what I call negative thoughts like like 403 00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:06.880 this one. You're in a eighteenth seventeen to eighteenth hole. You know you're 404 00:34:07.240 --> 00:34:10.559 you're putting for a birdie, a crucial situation, and you might, as 405 00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:15.159 you're getting prepared in your preshot routine, you might hear in your head, 406 00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:19.239 oh, you're gonna blow this one again like you've done so many times. 407 00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:24.320 And for the unprepared golfer, the golfer who doesn't have a method, that's 408 00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:30.800 probably enough to shake them in their boots, or to give them a little 409 00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:34.760 sweat in their palms of their heart beats a little quicker, their mind goes 410 00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:38.719 off a little bit, and they don't sink that putt. That's frustrating, 411 00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:45.519 especially when they know they have the talent and they've done it before. But 412 00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:49.920 here they are in that pressure situation, and it happens again and again and 413 00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:54.920 again. Now to the other side of the story, the same thing happens, 414 00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:59.360 and you hear, oh, you're gonna blow this birdie putt like you've 415 00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:04.840 done so many times. Now, the golfer who has methods and uses this 416 00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:12.760 process, especially from the perspective I look at, that's actually success statement, 417 00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:15.880 that's actually your subconscious is telling you, Like, for you, Fred, 418 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:21.559 you're about to sink this putt, Fred and have success and maybe take your 419 00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:25.079 game to a whole other level. But it asks you these questions to test 420 00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:32.440 your own personal result, your preparation, and your readiness to step into that 421 00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:38.199 success. And when you use the methods that I share and other people have 422 00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:43.639 other methods too. You know, once i'm share that I share, you 423 00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:47.840 you actually laugh at that. You relax, and you you go through a 424 00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:54.400 simple process to turn that around, and you take a breath, you do 425 00:35:54.519 --> 00:36:00.679 the process, you sink that putt, and you achieve success. So negative, 426 00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:05.000 what we appear is negative isn't negative at all. It's the opposite. 427 00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:09.440 It's success. It's positive. But I will say this, if you're a 428 00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:14.440 golfer and you just start like and you kind of have fasted, say, 429 00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:15.719 Okay, I'm going to have this goal in this goal and this goal, 430 00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:21.360 and I'm going to start using these affirmations and anchors and you're not you're not 431 00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:25.480 prepared. You don't understand that you have to deal with things that are going 432 00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:30.199 to come in your way that challenge you. When you raise up your game 433 00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:36.760 to these goals, you're in trouble. And I would say in those kind 434 00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:40.639 of things, in some cases it's better you don't have goals and just play 435 00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:46.480 your very bass or until you get a full rounded perspective to know how to 436 00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:52.559 handle that when it's happening, because more than likely it's going to happen. 437 00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:59.480 Kobe Bryant said, you know, his by far worst most challenging competitor was 438 00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:04.360 knowing on the basketball court was his own self, and he talked a lot 439 00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:08.039 about those things. Okay, so so is it so it's to me, 440 00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:14.440 Yes, it's great to have goals and you will achieve them as long as 441 00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:21.320 you have a method to understand that process and apply yourself and not just that. 442 00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:28.079 Get excited, get excited about, you know, flourishing in adversity, 443 00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:32.840 because that's what golf is. Man Like the golf architect and the golf course 444 00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:37.920 itself, you are going to be challenged right day in and day out. 445 00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:43.519 And if you come to that and with passion, with acceptance, with knowing 446 00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:45.159 you are going to hit. You are going to have a t shot that 447 00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:49.519 goes out of you know, goes way off course. You are going to 448 00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:52.960 have shots that don't go your way, but you also in that you can 449 00:37:53.039 --> 00:38:00.920 accept that, and you have methods to keep your mental state calm and enjoy 450 00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:06.119 the enjoy the process and know how to focus on your next target with intention. 451 00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:09.800 You're gonna do great. You're gonna do great no matter what level. 452 00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:15.159 You are awesome. How does that sound to you? Fred? Fascinating And 453 00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:17.840 I want to I want to dig deeper into it, but I want to 454 00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:28.039 take a break first. We'll be right back. We're gonna get into the 455 00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:32.159 Camilla Vijayas interview in the segment two. But I want to know. You 456 00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:39.840 talked about methods. You talked about process. Are those different ooh methods? 457 00:38:40.039 --> 00:38:50.400 Process? Yeah, Well they're in a way the methods. There's a process 458 00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:53.760 for sure, but the method kind of almost in a way, a process 459 00:38:54.400 --> 00:39:00.559 can be included in the method like the methods. Like methods are there can 460 00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:05.760 be many many different levels and there's a process, yes, but the process 461 00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:09.320 you're kind of dealing with at each shot, each hole, you know things 462 00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:16.360 like that. Okay, interesting, All right, let's talk about the conversation 463 00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:22.119 that you had with Camilla Virgayas. Okay, because we've not had him on 464 00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:24.639 before. Right, No, correct, now, So you want to set 465 00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:29.239 it up or do you want to go right to it? Yeah, let's 466 00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:31.519 let's go right into it and then we could talk about it. Okay, 467 00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:37.360 here we go. Name's Kerry Valentine and I work with podcasts, Got Smarter, 468 00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:39.920 just love to chat with you a little bit on the positive side of 469 00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:44.960 the mental game. And I was just curious, as you, you know, 470 00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:50.000 start this new year, is there things that you go through like between 471 00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:52.199 you know, the end of last year and this year to kind of like, 472 00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:58.519 okay, I want to reset on certain areas or look at certain you 473 00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:02.599 know, things to to respark or reinspire you or things like that. Well, 474 00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:05.679 I mean, first things first, I'm very excited to be here. 475 00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:09.280 It's obviously it's been a kind of bumpy road here the last few years. 476 00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:15.960 And a winning at the end of last season was it was really cool, 477 00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:20.360 man, it was. I was very proud of myself. I was very 478 00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:25.639 excited how with the energy got received, which was awesome. And then from 479 00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:30.440 there on when you talk about kind of resetting for this year once again, 480 00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:34.679 I'm happy to be playing on the PGA Tour again. And and if that's 481 00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:39.159 some motivation, then A what is it? And a but at the same 482 00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:42.360 time, you've got to stick to your process and you've got to do the 483 00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:49.199 same thing. So you got to prepare the right way. You gotta once 484 00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:54.199 again stick to the process. You can't get ahead of yourself. You know 485 00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:57.880 you're going to have good weeks, average weeks, and bad weeks, and 486 00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:01.199 you guess, stay patient. The year is long. They seem to be 487 00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:07.599 going quicker and quicker every year, but they they're still Last year was a 488 00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:10.559 perfect example of how things were not going great, but I was very patient. 489 00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:15.599 It paid off at the end. So the idea is to keep working 490 00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:22.039 with my office structure, keep working with my mental coach, and just stick 491 00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:28.599 to the to the process. Mm hm, yes. And what elements with 492 00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:32.679 that with mentally, Let's say for your playing in you know, around and 493 00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:37.079 hit a few bad shots and you can see maybe the mind kind of kicks 494 00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:45.039 in there in maybe a negative way. Is there certain techniques or things you 495 00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:49.760 do to bring you back to center? There are I mean there's a lot 496 00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:55.519 of breathing exercises. There's a lot of stuff about just controlling your tension and 497 00:41:55.719 --> 00:42:01.239 just just don't be reacted. One of the keysy not to react to great 498 00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:05.199 shots, not to react to bad shots, and just try to keep it 499 00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:13.039 us, keep it us. That's even as it is, because it's not 500 00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:17.320 different than going to the casino. So you're getting emotional and then it's gonna 501 00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:21.119 get you. The game of golf is a tricky one and it gets you 502 00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:23.840 if you start getting emotional. So you just, well, I want to 503 00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:28.320 maintain your composure. What do you do with that? You just kind of 504 00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:31.519 there's a lot of breathing stuff that I've been doing and it really helps me 505 00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:37.159 just kind of put things aside and bring me back to center. M And 506 00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:45.440 I'm feel fore you for lots of your daughter and my late wife and passed 507 00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:52.719 on through brain tumor. So it started same and I just was wondering as 508 00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:55.559 well, I see with you on your on your bag and you're bringing that 509 00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:01.679 thought and inspiration is how what are you taking from that in your life? 510 00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:05.320 Yeah, it's been unbelievable, you know, it's a it's been a crazy 511 00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:07.840 journey. Obviously, nobody wants to lose a daughter or a wife in your 512 00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:12.559 case, so sorry to hear about that. But but but you got to 513 00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:16.840 accept. I think the main thing is acceptance. Accept that a life is 514 00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:23.320 life and and and it's not it's not pretty all the time. So once 515 00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:30.320 you accept the things that happen, and you can put a plan together to 516 00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:34.440 keep moving forward. And in this case me as miracles have been a great 517 00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:39.320 inspirations open our hearts to help others. Say, it just feels our heart 518 00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:45.280 every time we can add two cents to making somebody smile, somebody in need 519 00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:49.440 because we were one of those individuals when we're at the hospital, and I 520 00:43:49.480 --> 00:43:52.599 know there's a lot of people that need the sport. And that's the way 521 00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:55.679 we're approaching it. We're approaching it with with with a big heart. We're 522 00:43:55.639 --> 00:44:00.480 approbably. We know me as in the right place. It was a tough 523 00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:05.719 bottle that she wasn't gonna win, thanks for getting really nasty and and it 524 00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:08.719 was time for her to to wrestle again. I'm a peace to where she 525 00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:14.280 is and and I have accepted what happened and the reason why it happened, 526 00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:20.639 and they and we keep moving forward. I was curious if you have a 527 00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:29.880 SASA playlist to get you inspired at all. I have. Yeah. Yeah, 528 00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:32.159 I like the old the old school stuff, and yeah it's good. 529 00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:37.800 It's good, yeah, Mark Anthony, even older cruise. Oh yeah, 530 00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:45.840 a lot of all the old guys. Really. See see I'm a congetto 531 00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:52.320 so and so I just have learned. Yeah, I lived in Brazil sometimes, 532 00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:59.559 so I just embraced the spirit of South American. It's a beautiful element. 533 00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:07.599 And thanks, thank you for your time. Okay, Wow, that 534 00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:12.480 was He's gone through a lot. He was kind of gone for a while, 535 00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:16.960 and now I'm like, oh, that's why. That was powerful stuff 536 00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:21.960 that he opened up right to you. Man, that was very impressive that 537 00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:25.480 he was able to do that and go there with you. Yeah, and 538 00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:34.519 I really appreciate it. And uh sure. Unfortunately I've gone through not my 539 00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:43.840 own but family and loved ones who had incredible challenging health issues and somewhat similar 540 00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:49.119 to his daughter to a certain degree, So there was quite an empathy there 541 00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:57.000 that I felt and with him on that. Yeah. Yeah, And what 542 00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:05.960 were your takeaways from that conversation? Oh, I love that he is feeling 543 00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:10.519 the appreciation and gratitude to be back playing just to be back playing golf, 544 00:46:12.199 --> 00:46:17.920 but also being back at a high level. And you know, anything like 545 00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:24.599 that of you know, a husband or wife of a child going through health 546 00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:35.840 issues and an unfortunate death that's super challenging, and yet he's using it to 547 00:46:35.960 --> 00:46:42.519 inspire himself and it's beautiful. It's a beautiful story, you know. And 548 00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:45.039 that's that's kind of life. You know, out of the you know, 549 00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:49.480 out of the ashes, the phoenix will rise if you dare to do it, 550 00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:53.920 if you dare to go there. And it's making him and his wife 551 00:46:54.000 --> 00:47:00.000 a better, better person's a better couple, and is giving us the opportunity 552 00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:05.719 to ride that wave of inspiration in our own selves right, to look at 553 00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:08.400 our own lives and how we can improve in our own self as we face 554 00:47:08.440 --> 00:47:15.079 adversity. Sure, and that's much more than mental game training or peak performance. 555 00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:19.239 Now. Now, this is life. It's a very different past, 556 00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:28.400 right, Yes and no, because again, the methods that I share and 557 00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:34.480 work with folks on golfers and other athletes, they're constantly sharing with me. 558 00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:37.320 You know, Carrie, what you're sharing with me to improve on my on 559 00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:43.039 the athletic field is also helping me to be a better person. Wow, 560 00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:47.800 and I'm I'm calmer, I'm more confident, I'm more caring, and it's 561 00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:53.239 just making my making my relationships better and and they all that helps then your 562 00:47:53.320 --> 00:47:57.679 athletic abilities, right like, then whatever you do, you know, you 563 00:47:57.760 --> 00:48:01.480 got that support and comfort and confident and it's behind you that the people are 564 00:48:01.559 --> 00:48:07.400 loved that you love are supporting you. You go and do an incredible getting 565 00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:09.840 chicken skin we say that in Hawaii, all over my body, you know, 566 00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:15.800 chills. Then you go and perform even better at new heights on your 567 00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:21.239 performance, you know, whatever athletic realm you do, or any realm you 568 00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:24.599 do, whether that's business or arts or music or things like that, and 569 00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:30.039 then you come back and it's a it's a cycle that just builds on itself. 570 00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:36.639 And that energy of growing in the capacity as a person and and at 571 00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:42.360 achievement, you know, to know, I think that's one of the beautiful 572 00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:49.280 things that when you're an individual who have pushed yourself through adversity, you know 573 00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:52.159 you've you know what you've been through. Maybe not maybe not a lot of 574 00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:55.559 other people do, but you know what you've dealt with and you know what 575 00:48:55.679 --> 00:49:00.800 it has taken and and the grit and the consistency to get there, and 576 00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:05.719 then when you achieve it, you're like, wow, it was worth it. 577 00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:07.679 It was a heck of a ride, but man, it was worth 578 00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:10.039 it. Yeah. It's so challenging when you're in it, but yeah, 579 00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:14.000 you get to look at it from the other side. God will I mean, 580 00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:15.719 like, if you get to be on the other side and look at 581 00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:22.159 it, it's like I made it, got stronger for it, right, 582 00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:28.599 one hundred percent. And as I said, like, you know, I've 583 00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:34.880 dealt with a wife who passed on through a brain tumor. It was devastating 584 00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:39.000 to me to her uh, and yet here I am years later. I 585 00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:43.599 didn't expect my life to go and the way it did, but I expected 586 00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:46.480 to get back into a relationship. I expected to get married, but didn't 587 00:49:46.519 --> 00:49:51.239 expect to have that with kids. But that's where it was. She had 588 00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:54.960 My wife has had children. So I was like, okay, I'll sign 589 00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:59.760 up. I care for you so much like I'll be daddy in training and 590 00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:06.920 learn about this And it's been amazing. So again, going through the adversity 591 00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:12.079 and you just like the sun is shining on the other side of the clouds. 592 00:50:12.159 --> 00:50:15.760 You just you got to go through the grieving, the challenging, whatever 593 00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:19.719 it is. It takes time, but you keep going forward and life will 594 00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:23.800 support you. Life wants to support you. So just yeah, whether it's 595 00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:30.599 as a golf or as a person. So just to share that, thank 596 00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:38.599 you, Thank you. You've been doing this now talking to athletes working on 597 00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:45.599 metal game performance for a number of years now. How has it evolved from 598 00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:52.440 your perspective, How as it evolved for me or the field of mental field 599 00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:59.880 performance from your perspective, how the field has evolved. Okay, okay, 600 00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:05.400 you're asking, I'll share, I'll do it. So the field has definitely 601 00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:14.960 evolved more acceptance. I mean years ago, I personally felt like I was 602 00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:20.719 an oddball, like to talk to athletes about their mental game mental health, 603 00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:27.440 to talk to anybody at that point pre COVID, talking to and especially guys, 604 00:51:27.519 --> 00:51:31.559 talking to them about their mental emotional health was a bit of a challenge. 605 00:51:32.199 --> 00:51:40.440 Okay, Now since COVID, we have at least accepted, We've gone 606 00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:45.159 to this place of saying, yeah, everyone has these challenges and mental health 607 00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:50.719 challenges, and some are dealing with depression, some are dealing with suicide or 608 00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:55.960 tendencies all these things, and so it's more out in the open, more 609 00:51:57.000 --> 00:52:02.960 acceptance, more acceptable. I feel we need more tools, better tools still 610 00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:08.960 to deal with people dealing with depression, dealing with suicide, dealing with peak 611 00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:14.800 performance, whether that's just in life as an athlete, as a business person, 612 00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:22.039 things like that. And part of that is what I was sharing earlier. 613 00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:25.719 This is serious. I mean, when you take your if you're willing 614 00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:31.280 to take yourself on and go through the fire of the challenges, you're gonna 615 00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:37.280 be challenged. You just I mean, it's kind of like in any sport. 616 00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:39.320 Let's say you play football, like, oh, the quarterback, I'm 617 00:52:39.320 --> 00:52:43.360 a running back. The quarterback is just gonna pass to me every time I 618 00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:46.480 got to run fifty yards, sixty yards, catch the ball, easy touchdown. 619 00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:51.920 No, it ain't gonna happen. You're gonna meet adversity, the defense. 620 00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:55.239 But then you learn and you know how to deal with the defense. 621 00:52:55.760 --> 00:53:01.760 And in life defense here is your own brain. You're subconscious who's trying to 622 00:53:01.800 --> 00:53:07.440 help you. But that's the key. That's most people think like, oh, 623 00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:12.840 I got this thing, this wrong machine in their head, and I'm 624 00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:16.159 not going to get into it today, probably, but believe me, if 625 00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:22.119 there was a you know, the poster boy for adversity and doubt and fear 626 00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:28.199 and all of that. I'm on it without a doubt. What I've come 627 00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:34.679 through is unbelievable. And so that's why I have so much confidence and passion 628 00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:38.920 to help others, because I've seen what you can go through. So what's 629 00:53:38.920 --> 00:53:43.400 happening in the field. It's growing, There's a lot it's expanding. There's 630 00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:49.760 a lot more people in the field, which is fantastic, And I would 631 00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:59.119 love to see more of people taking on those deeper emotions rather than mentalizing it, 632 00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:00.719 trying to turn it, trying to get over it. Okay, And 633 00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:05.679 what I'm talking about is go into it. Go into those emotions. What 634 00:54:05.719 --> 00:54:08.760 are they really telling you? What are they what's going on there? And 635 00:54:08.920 --> 00:54:13.280 have the right people with the right tools and skill sets to get you through 636 00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:17.480 that. Because what I've seen personally and with folks that i've assisted, when 637 00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:22.920 you do it this way, you actually those those patterns, those doubts, 638 00:54:23.320 --> 00:54:30.159 those fears, they change. You can clear them out and then be in 639 00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:35.679 the zone in life and in your particular sport and for golfers, and so 640 00:54:35.719 --> 00:54:40.880 you don't have that keep running story that it's going on I'll give another example. 641 00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:45.559 Please, I'm humble to say it, but I'm saying this for a 642 00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:51.440 purpose. You know, I love Steph Curry as a basketball player and as 643 00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:57.199 a person. Is pretty amazing what he's gone through. But he has said, 644 00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:02.679 you know, he still deals with that. Else. He deals with 645 00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:07.559 doubts that he had when he was a kid, when he was younger, 646 00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:12.599 and they're still around. They've gotten somewhat better, but they're still around, 647 00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:16.079 and he uses it to keep him in place and check and you know, 648 00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:20.639 he deals with it in his own way. And I'm saying, Steph, 649 00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:25.559 man, I'd love to have a conversation with you to say those can be 650 00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:30.440 gone. Could you imagine them gone? Could you imagine them they're not there 651 00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:36.360 anymore? And how much more freed up energy and space you'll have and peace 652 00:55:36.440 --> 00:55:43.159 in your life and in your basketball you know playing and for golfers, you 653 00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:47.119 know that it's gone. It's really gone, because why it's not there to 654 00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:51.280 harm or hurt you. It's there to say, are you ready to pass 655 00:55:51.320 --> 00:55:53.760 this test? And when you pass the test and go through the doorway by 656 00:55:53.840 --> 00:56:00.599 using certain methods, it clears out and you elevate yourself. The cool thing 657 00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:06.440 fred is. I don't need to prove anything to people I work with. 658 00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:09.199 I don't try to force it on them. I share with them and then 659 00:56:09.199 --> 00:56:14.119 I say, you be a scientist. You tell me is it working or 660 00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:17.840 not? You tell me that's the proof in the putting in your own body. 661 00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:22.559 And they come back, man, carry Yeah, it's changing, and 662 00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:27.280 I'm able to be more focused. I'm able to have more success. I'm 663 00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:30.760 in the zone more and I'm extending that elasticity of the zone to stay there 664 00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:36.440 more. And I'm enjoying my life and my golf game much much more. 665 00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:40.199 Awesome. Tell us how do you find you on the web? Ah, 666 00:56:40.239 --> 00:56:46.760 well, a few different ways. If this is interesting to you and you 667 00:56:46.880 --> 00:56:52.559 are interested to you know, kind of like lower score by five strokes bring 668 00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:59.960 your game to new hids. Please check out unleashgolf dot com. That's unleashed 669 00:57:00.199 --> 00:57:05.079 golf dot com and that what that brings you to is from time to time 670 00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:09.840 I do live trainings where I go deeply into this and and I keep it 671 00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:14.840 very intimate and small group so I can really help the people that are there, 672 00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:21.239 and so you can sign up for our trainings. Kerrie, I really 673 00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:23.679 appreciate the effort you put into this every year. There's so much fun to 674 00:57:23.679 --> 00:57:30.599 be able to hear these these pros talking about the mental game, their perspective 675 00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:35.039 on it, in the reality of it. It is so much fun and 676 00:57:35.119 --> 00:57:38.719 it's always great to reconnect with you them same here Fred and I Honor. 677 00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:44.960 I'm so grateful and excited each time I have this opportunity with you. So 678 00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:50.159 thank you, And it is really impressive to see how the podcast has grown. 679 00:57:50.840 --> 00:57:54.480 I am so impressed of your success and your passion of doing this. 680 00:57:54.639 --> 00:58:00.400 You bring on so many amazing quality, you know, speakers on the subject, 681 00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:10.119 and it's really really impressive. So thank you for having me on and 682 00:58:10.239 --> 00:58:15.360 thank you for spending that time getting that tape. That's really amazing stuff. 683 00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:21.000 I also want to thank our newest Golf Smarter Ambassador, Jeff Pavelina of Pinehurst, 684 00:58:21.079 --> 00:58:27.360 North Carolina. Jeff plays at Pinehurst Number six regularly. How awesome is 685 00:58:27.480 --> 00:58:30.679 that. 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