1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:06,040 You're going to get challenged what I call the army of the aliens, which 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:10,759 is your own self, and what that is is your subconscious. Your subconscious 3 00:00:10,839 --> 00:00:14,839 is going to send you what I call negative thoughts like this one. You're 4 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:20,679 in a seventeen to eighteenth toll, you're putting for a birdie crucial situation. 5 00:00:21,199 --> 00:00:24,760 As you're getting prepared in your preshot routine, you might hear in your head, 6 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:28,480 Oh, they're gonna blow this one again like you've done so many times. 7 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:33,479 And for the unprepared golfer, the golfer who doesn't have a method, 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,439 that's probably enough to shake them in their boots, or to give them a 9 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,200 little sweat in their palms of their heart beats, a little quicker, their 10 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:46,679 mind goes off a little bit, and they don't sink that putt. That's 11 00:00:46,759 --> 00:00:52,079 frustrating, especially when they know they have the talent and they've done it before. 12 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,600 Hi, this is just have Winnam from Pinehurst, North Carolina. I 13 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,640 play at Pinehurst number six and this is Golf Smarter number nine hundred and thirty 14 00:01:00,679 --> 00:01:07,799 eight. Kimi lubi jagis Aaron Rod and Carrie Valentine on how pros overcome adversity. 15 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:15,120 This is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from great golf 16 00:01:15,159 --> 00:01:19,159 mindes to help you lower your score and raise your golf IQ. Here's your 17 00:01:19,159 --> 00:01:23,920 host, Fred Green. It's my time of year where I get to say 18 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,760 Helloha, Kerry, welcome back to Golf Smarter. Helloja, Fred, It 19 00:01:29,879 --> 00:01:33,799 is awesome to see you and mahalaanui loa for having me on. I always 20 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,599 appreciate it. Oh yeah, well, you know, you provide us with 21 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,680 some really fascinating content. Every year we've been doing this. How many years 22 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:46,480 have we done this? Now? Gosh six where you go out to the 23 00:01:46,519 --> 00:01:53,239 Sony Open, you go to the couple different PGA events at in Hawaii and 24 00:01:55,159 --> 00:01:59,000 you bring a recorder with you and you find a way to get close to 25 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,680 these guys and start having conversations with them. And this year, thank you 26 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:08,560 so much saying yeah I'm here with Golf Smarter podcast. It's like nice for 27 00:02:08,599 --> 00:02:15,159 sure. So, how so this year, like last year we had you 28 00:02:15,199 --> 00:02:19,120 had like five or six different players that you had conversation with, this year 29 00:02:19,199 --> 00:02:23,560 it's down to two. Yeah, were there were there barriers that you had 30 00:02:23,599 --> 00:02:27,520 to cross? What was the deal this time? A number of things the 31 00:02:27,599 --> 00:02:31,360 number of factors. One is, I would say the presence of live is 32 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:37,560 one where some of the guys that some of the guys that I've interviewed over 33 00:02:37,599 --> 00:02:39,919 the years are now playing on live. Some of the guys that I'm interested 34 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:45,520 to interview are playing on live. So that's a part of it. So 35 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,719 there the field obviously it is full, it's Sony Open, but it's also 36 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,360 since it's the first full field event, it has a lot of rookies in 37 00:02:53,400 --> 00:03:01,240 it, and so there's less of experienced goffers that I'm looking forward to interview 38 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:07,360 and things like that. But I'm off obviously also interested in talking to rookies 39 00:03:07,479 --> 00:03:13,960 like you know I've done in the pasture, and so that was part of 40 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:20,319 it. The other element is, unfortunately my schedule during that particular week was 41 00:03:20,439 --> 00:03:28,840 just really busy and so my chance, my chance to interact with the golfers 42 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:34,319 was a bit more limited. And so you know, it's all like I 43 00:03:34,439 --> 00:03:37,800 just show up and see who's around and who's able to talk, and you 44 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:42,919 know, my things like Stuart Sink, who I've interviewed a number of times 45 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:51,159 and just have a fabulous time interviewing because he's so incredibly candid and we saw 46 00:03:51,199 --> 00:03:55,400 each other and we you know, he was on his way to working on 47 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,960 some bunker shots and and we talked and he said, yeah, come, 48 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,800 you know, check back with me in a little bit. I'll be you 49 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,240 know, back on the practice screen. And I was interviewing some of the 50 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,120 other golfers and by the time I got back, he was gone. And 51 00:04:09,159 --> 00:04:12,560 then you know, those kind of things happen, you know they do. 52 00:04:13,199 --> 00:04:15,519 It's just yeah, it's just you got it. It's just all in the 53 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:21,839 moment and the other the other thing interesting enough for me, I was also 54 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:28,160 busier at the golf course talking to people. People were interested in things I'm 55 00:04:28,199 --> 00:04:33,199 doing and different kind of kind of partnerships and things like that coming together. 56 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,800 So it's just it was just like a really unique moment. It was like, 57 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,839 oh, this hasn't happened before, but okay, here we are, 58 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,920 go with it. Just go yes, nonetheless, go ahead. Nonetheless. 59 00:04:46,959 --> 00:04:54,519 I'm really excited for the listeners to hear the interviews because there's some interesting elements 60 00:04:54,519 --> 00:04:58,480 in there. Yeah, And what we've done in the past is we've broken 61 00:04:58,519 --> 00:05:01,439 it down by topic and and like played the different cuts from each of the 62 00:05:01,439 --> 00:05:05,120 guys. This time we're gonna do something different because you have two players here, 63 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,959 and we'll talk about that in a second, but we're just gonna run 64 00:05:09,199 --> 00:05:15,040 your interview with each of them intact all the way through. And the Uh, 65 00:05:15,639 --> 00:05:20,120 Aaron Raye is one of them. Indian player. I didn't leave him 66 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:25,560 on before. Yes, last year he was a rookie last year. He 67 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:30,839 is Indian descent from England. Okay, yes, okay. And and he 68 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:35,079 holds the world's record for the most putts in a row. And they have 69 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:40,920 these competitions and almost hold putts in a row. Yeah, yeah, because 70 00:05:41,079 --> 00:05:45,920 I probably hold the record for the most putts in a row, yes, 71 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,360 most successful potts, most you know. Uh, and holds a Guinness Book 72 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:53,600 of World Records for that. Do you talk about that with it with him? 73 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,199 I did? I did last year? Last year we did. Yeah. 74 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,160 So if anyone's interested check out last year interview, please do, please 75 00:06:01,199 --> 00:06:06,600 do, and I'll put in the show notes when it was before. Okay, 76 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:13,839 So what did you goause? The interview with Aaron is longer than the 77 00:06:13,879 --> 00:06:18,839 second one that we have with Camillo Vijegis, but you got into more stuff 78 00:06:18,879 --> 00:06:21,680 with him and he remembered you. It was really sweet. He remembered you 79 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:27,720 and he enjoyed the conversation that you had together. Yes, yes, and 80 00:06:27,879 --> 00:06:31,800 I too, he he was. It was special, seriously, just human 81 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:39,240 to human last year talking and it was a great connection and that and that 82 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:45,160 gave me the the little bit of an oomph to dig in a little bit 83 00:06:45,199 --> 00:06:48,879 to him this year. And you can hear it at the end of the 84 00:06:49,639 --> 00:06:57,160 conversation, and I'll talk to you about it, you know, because I 85 00:06:57,199 --> 00:07:02,279 think there was some interesting elements for every offer to take from what what Aaron 86 00:07:02,439 --> 00:07:08,680 was saying and some things that I think he can improve upon. Yeah, 87 00:07:08,879 --> 00:07:12,079 I thought so too. So here's what we're gonna do. And let me 88 00:07:12,439 --> 00:07:17,600 just humbly and you know, stated that yet you know, I incredibly appreciate 89 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:23,879 these guys' talents and gifts, especially with Aaron, and I humbly say that. 90 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,360 So okay, thank you for saying that. So what we're gonna do 91 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,680 now is we're gonna take a break right now, and we'll come out of 92 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:35,319 the break with a full interview with Aaron Rye and then we'll take another break 93 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:39,839 after that and then come back and discuss it. So we'll be back. 94 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,680 Well, I won't be back carry and Aaron Rye will be back right after 95 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:58,879 this. Hello, very very good. I just had a very appreciative conversation 96 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,759 with you. Let me vot. I mean, I've talked to a lot 97 00:08:01,759 --> 00:08:05,560 of golfers, but something was different talking with you. It was really nice. 98 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:11,079 It's a very different kind of interview. It felt a lot more personal 99 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:16,959 than generally the generic German questions. And then we have which, which was 100 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,759 really nice. Yeah, So this must be I would imagine, like an 101 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:26,680 amazing process from where you were last year and playing all the tournaments to now 102 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:31,200 and starting again you know this second you know in that sense this second season, 103 00:08:31,279 --> 00:08:37,320 and do you have certain goals? Are you resetting looking at things like 104 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,759 from where things were last year to this year and go, okay, where 105 00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:45,360 there's certain goals you reach, certain goals that you were like, yeah, 106 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:50,080 I really want to work more on whatever that would be. Yeah. I 107 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:56,200 try not to set too many external goals in the form of results or achievements. 108 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,759 Have in the past, but I've felt like that hasn't really helped to 109 00:09:01,159 --> 00:09:03,960 push me forwards. I think when I focus more on the game and the 110 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,279 skills of the game, I think I enjoy the game more and I probably 111 00:09:09,279 --> 00:09:16,360 play better as a result. So my goals, I guess are more kind 112 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:22,320 of based on improving the game and just keep trying to learn about myself and 113 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:28,000 try and do the little bits that I can a little bit better and just 114 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:33,679 see where that takes me. I think if I keep continuing to improve, 115 00:09:33,759 --> 00:09:37,240 then hopefully the results will just follow. And I say, I know that 116 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:41,919 sounds very cliche, but I really try and follow that as much in my 117 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:46,759 golf and in areas outside in my life, rather than trying to have external 118 00:09:46,799 --> 00:09:50,039 achievements. I think if the internal parts are good and you do the right 119 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:56,000 things, hopefully the other things just just follow. There's certain elements that you 120 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:01,000 saw during this season, you know, playing go okay, I need to 121 00:10:01,039 --> 00:10:05,759 adjust to this or what were you kind of tweaking or learning or growing. 122 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:11,320 If there's anything specific that you'd be happy to share it. Yeah, So 123 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:16,440 within the game, for instance, last season, my putting was good in 124 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,799 certain weeks, but it was a little bit off onun of the weeks. 125 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:24,000 I didn't feel like the consistency was quite there. So that's probably the biggest 126 00:10:24,039 --> 00:10:28,960 area a focus even over the last couple of months in the off season. 127 00:10:31,039 --> 00:10:35,279 Pretty similar with my wedge play probably from kind of thirty to one hundred hundred 128 00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:39,440 and ten yards. I think that's another area that can be just tightened up 129 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,159 a little bit. The good is good, but it's just a little bit 130 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:48,639 too inconsistent. I think. Also just improving my play out of the rough 131 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,759 as well when I miss fair ways, just trying to get a little bit 132 00:10:52,799 --> 00:10:58,759 stronger and just improve a little bit of technique in those situations. And those 133 00:10:58,759 --> 00:11:03,879 are the main aspects really, just trying to, as I said, get 134 00:11:03,919 --> 00:11:05,200 a little bit stronger as well to help out of the rough, but also 135 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,840 to help with a bit of injury prevention moving forwards and hopefully with a little 136 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:15,480 bit of increase in distance in the coming years if I keep continuing to get 137 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,960 fitter. So those are those are the four main areas really within the game 138 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:26,600 and any kind of mental game thought during process that you saw, Okay, 139 00:11:26,919 --> 00:11:31,200 I'm adjusting to this, like things that maybe you didn't expect or did expect, 140 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:35,320 but it was like, okay, I gotta work on this and talk 141 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:39,360 to my dad, Moron, X, Y and Z or whatever. Yeah, 142 00:11:39,919 --> 00:11:43,679 just trying to again very cliche, but trying to really stay as present 143 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:50,840 as possible and really yeah, just really try and stay as focused but as 144 00:11:52,279 --> 00:11:56,840 as calm as possible, and I think getting that balance between keeping the intensity 145 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:03,279 high but also not so to a point where you're drained at the end of 146 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,240 the first round on the eighteenth pole, because it's very hard to stay in 147 00:12:05,279 --> 00:12:09,519 that mindset for five odd hours, which is how long we're out there. 148 00:12:09,519 --> 00:12:13,639 So I think getting that balance between really switching on and staying very present, 149 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,399 but then in between shots to not let my mind drift too much, but 150 00:12:18,519 --> 00:12:22,679 also not to be too intense to a point where I can't keep the focus 151 00:12:22,759 --> 00:12:28,559 up for the duration of the round. So I think just figuring out what 152 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,000 that balance is like, and also not trying to force it to be the 153 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:35,320 same every day, because I think ultimately we're human and we are different on 154 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:39,799 a day to day basis, So just kind of going with what feels best 155 00:12:41,039 --> 00:12:43,600 on that day and trying to read myself well enough to get the most out 156 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:48,399 of myself mentally on a day to day basis. As well as what we 157 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:54,559 discussed there with the game earlier. Great. I know a lot of elite 158 00:12:54,600 --> 00:13:00,320 amateur golfers who, let's here, are playing around in competition and have hit 159 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:05,240 a few shots that go ob or just a few a few holes that are 160 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:11,080 challenging for them, and they and they often find it difficult to reset rebound 161 00:13:11,159 --> 00:13:15,320 from that, And I wondered what your experience is like maybe that could help 162 00:13:15,399 --> 00:13:18,960 them, or what you you know, if you've ever find that happens to 163 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:22,120 yourself, or what do you do to kind of make sure you do your 164 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:28,759 best to rebound in that sense. I think one of the neat parts about 165 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:33,759 golf is that whether we're here playing on the PGA tool or in your example, 166 00:13:33,799 --> 00:13:37,840 whether you're an amateur that's hit the ball ob a couple of times, 167 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:41,960 there are certain feelings that you can relate to no matter what standard you are. 168 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,559 I think for me that happens to me as well, of course, 169 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:50,960 And I think no matter how good your game is, no matter how good 170 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:54,639 you are mentally, that's always a challenge to try and reset and refocus yourself. 171 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:01,320 For me, I try and put things in perspective in the sense of 172 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,200 the round. Then let's say, let's say I'm two under and I've hit 173 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:11,720 it ob. I just try and remind myself that I'm still not in a 174 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:15,679 bad position even if I make five or if I make six and make double 175 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,960 that it's frustrating, but there's still a lot of holes to play, and 176 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,480 maybe we've still played some good golf to get to that point. If I'm 177 00:14:22,559 --> 00:14:26,679 maybe two over and I've hit it, ob, maybe it's a little bit 178 00:14:26,679 --> 00:14:31,159 more difficult to resent to yourself, but to try and use whatever is happening 179 00:14:31,159 --> 00:14:35,159 in your favor. So, for instance, in that situation, if I'm 180 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,360 then looking like I'm going to make double to go four over, now, 181 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:41,879 can that just free me up and look at it in a way where things 182 00:14:41,919 --> 00:14:48,279 are happening for you, not things are happening against you. And if go 183 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,919 into four over and hitting it ob just freeze me up and takes a few 184 00:14:50,919 --> 00:14:54,879 thoughts out of my mind. Hopefully I can finish very strong and still put 185 00:14:54,960 --> 00:15:00,720 an okay round in. So I think trying to use a situation in your 186 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,279 favor as much as you can, to try and spin whatever is happening in 187 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,159 a way that's working for you while than against you, I think it's something 188 00:15:07,159 --> 00:15:13,039 that helps me. But I think it's obviously each person will have their own 189 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,960 way and own thought process in order to try and achieve that. But that's 190 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:20,519 something that I try and do doesn't always happen, but I do try. 191 00:15:20,919 --> 00:15:26,080 Is there something that you kind of have an inner conversation with yourself in that 192 00:15:26,159 --> 00:15:33,320 moment to kind of I kind of basically acknowledge the situation and say, Okay, 193 00:15:33,679 --> 00:15:37,080 I mean re said here and you know, let me stop in a 194 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,720 sense, maybe a downward spiral train, if that's happening mentally, They're like, 195 00:15:43,039 --> 00:15:46,279 okay, I accept it, or you know, I'm seeing it, 196 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:50,759 and let me take a you know, let me do what I can to 197 00:15:50,799 --> 00:15:54,759 slow that down or stop it. Or and if there are certain techniques or 198 00:15:54,799 --> 00:15:58,279 things that you do or certain phrases, is that okay to share? Or 199 00:15:58,519 --> 00:16:07,000 things like yeah, no, that's a great question. For me. I 200 00:16:07,039 --> 00:16:12,440 really try and focus on my breathing and even just really tuning into my senses, 201 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:19,039 whether that's how my feet feel on the floor, deeper breast that I'm 202 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:33,879 taking, or things along those lines. I think it's it's difficult for me 203 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,799 to just say that I just do this one thing, because I feel like 204 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,840 there are a number of different parts that work at different times for me. 205 00:16:41,919 --> 00:16:45,879 Again, sometimes that's perspective. Sometimes that's speaking to myself. Sometimes that's taken 206 00:16:45,919 --> 00:16:51,399 myself away from the course or trying to remember a point where I feel very 207 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,720 happy and peaceful or another time, but I might need to give myself up 208 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,639 where I might be a bit more aware of score or whatever. So I 209 00:16:56,639 --> 00:17:00,080 think for me, I just try and read how I feel and then try 210 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:07,440 and give myself what I need to counteract what I feel. So I try 211 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:11,559 and go about it in different ways at different times to just react to the 212 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:15,880 situation. Really, but the breath is something that I do try and come 213 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,759 back to that that comes up quite often and just really trying to stay stick 214 00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:23,880 present. So would it be amazing if there was one thing that could help 215 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:30,200 you kind of like shift that and you can rely on that aspect to just 216 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,039 say, Okay, you know, here's I'm in that typical situation where I'm 217 00:17:34,079 --> 00:17:41,920 at, and here would be you know, the tool or way to shift 218 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,880 it and then be able to go forward and you know, have that consistency 219 00:17:47,319 --> 00:17:49,599 because it sounds like, you know, you try different things and then it's 220 00:17:49,599 --> 00:17:52,880 like is it working or is it now working? Kind of amazing, like 221 00:17:53,240 --> 00:18:00,279 yeah, it's just working, like yeah, definitely, definitely. I think. 222 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,640 I guess it's similar to the golf game. I think in many ways 223 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:11,200 where I think everyone has certain fundamentals and keys that work for them. I 224 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:15,400 think it's similar in the mental side that there might be certain things that you 225 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,839 constantly come back to. For me, I think that breathing is still is 226 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,839 pretty central, But I think similar to the parallel with the golf game, 227 00:18:22,599 --> 00:18:27,039 you've always got to have the flexibility and fluidity to react to whatever is happening, 228 00:18:27,079 --> 00:18:30,720 whether you're drawing it a little bit more than normal, or whether you're 229 00:18:30,759 --> 00:18:34,200 pushing it on that day, or whether you swing doesn't feel quite right, 230 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:38,359 Just knowing the little adjustments that you need to make where you're not swinging it 231 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:42,279 in a completely new way or you're trying brand new things, but you're just 232 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:48,279 reacting to the situation that you're in. And I think there's a parallel in 233 00:18:48,319 --> 00:18:52,480 the mental side of it there as well, where there are fundamentals that I 234 00:18:52,519 --> 00:18:56,279 think are good to come back to. But I think it's hard to be 235 00:18:56,359 --> 00:19:00,119 so set in your way to say this is always going to work. So 236 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,559 I feel like that isn't always the case because there are so many changing factors 237 00:19:03,599 --> 00:19:07,799 on the golf course, both the conditions, the lies that we face, 238 00:19:10,279 --> 00:19:12,400 how we feel, the situation that we're in. So I think it's that 239 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:18,799 fine balance between having your go to things but also reacting to the situation to 240 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,839 try and give yourself the best chance. Yeah. Yeah, And I was 241 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,160 meaning more on the mental side. So, like you know, you find 242 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:30,599 like your mind is like starting to run a muck in that maybe typical pattern 243 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,359 when things go astray. It's like, okay, let me ground you back 244 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:38,200 here, because what do you ever consider, like if it's going astray, 245 00:19:38,799 --> 00:19:45,960 it's it's really what it's happening is it's ask inviting you to get stronger with 246 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,160 yourself in that moment, Like you said, like you work with your breathing. 247 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:55,160 But also like, okay, I see some things are challenging right now. 248 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:59,960 Oh from a mental side, what if I kind of put step in 249 00:20:00,079 --> 00:20:03,920 up a nature to to really bring my clarity and focus here, because what 250 00:20:04,039 --> 00:20:08,480 appears to be a challenge, maybe I'm on the doorway of great success by 251 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,880 turning this shot around. Yeah. Yeah, and that's what I'm curious about. 252 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:17,079 That's what I'm speaking to you about on that level. Yeah, you 253 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:22,200 know, that's a great point. That's a great point. I definitely don't 254 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:29,440 have the answers to that. I think, Yeah, I think That's the 255 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:33,880 cool thing about the game in general. There are so many different facets, 256 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:37,960 and I think each person figures out their own unique way to try and answer 257 00:20:38,519 --> 00:20:45,960 some of the questions that you raise there. And I'm definitely learning because much 258 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,799 as anyone else in the whole of this, there are certain things that work 259 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:53,160 for me. But I'm by no means a finished product in that respect. 260 00:20:55,640 --> 00:21:02,319 And you definitely honor your your culture and back with you know, seeing like 261 00:21:02,759 --> 00:21:06,599 you know that pride to you know, when you're playing India and things or 262 00:21:06,839 --> 00:21:10,519 other players to do your very best. I was just curious, how, 263 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,200 you know, by playing on the tour this year, the you know kind 264 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:18,319 of new goals or not many necessary new goals, but opportunities or feeling like 265 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:25,480 I can open the doorway to younger Indian golfers and you know, are out 266 00:21:25,519 --> 00:21:30,640 there that see see me as maybe a role model or you know, and 267 00:21:30,759 --> 00:21:36,720 kind of feel like I really calling on my presence to do as my very 268 00:21:36,759 --> 00:21:40,079 best to you know, kind of honor the culture and things like that. 269 00:21:41,039 --> 00:21:47,319 Yeah, I think it's probably not something I've thought a huge amount about. 270 00:21:48,039 --> 00:21:53,680 I think trying to do the right things and have a good attitude on the 271 00:21:53,720 --> 00:22:00,240 course and try and treat people with respect and try and be as as kind 272 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:07,960 as I can, hopefully sets an example, hopefully show some good qualities for 273 00:22:08,039 --> 00:22:15,359 anyone that may follow or watch, and I think in general that's that's the 274 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,920 best way to really I feel that's the best way to inspire. I think 275 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:26,559 you've got to set the standard yourself rather than trying to say all the right 276 00:22:26,599 --> 00:22:30,119 things. I think it's a lot easier to say the right things as opposed 277 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,759 to try and walk in those shoes and follow your own lead and your own 278 00:22:33,799 --> 00:22:38,519 example. So I think if I can do that, hopefully whatever knock on 279 00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:44,039 effect it has is pretty positive. Overall. It's never always positive and it's 280 00:22:44,039 --> 00:22:48,279 never always negative, but hopefully it's more on the positive side. And yeah, 281 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:53,039 that's not really something that's in my control as to what effect that I 282 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,519 have, but hopefully, yeah, hopefully it's something that is constructive and not 283 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:03,680 destructive. A few last questions. I was just curious, you say you 284 00:23:03,799 --> 00:23:07,359 focus a lot with your breath. Is that connected to let's say a meditation 285 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:15,200 style or also any kind of as you're playing, any connections of let's say 286 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:21,480 a spirit or spirituality when you're on the golf course to you know, kind 287 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:27,160 of bring those maybe awarenesses or teaching to like help you achieve your greatest potential. 288 00:23:29,319 --> 00:23:33,920 Yeah. I think when I'm when I feel very stressed on the course, 289 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:38,920 I resort to box breathing or breathe in for four, hold for full, 290 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:45,880 without for full, and that normally helps to to bring me back to 291 00:23:45,279 --> 00:23:52,039 a more kind of even keel. I think when I feel a little bit 292 00:23:52,200 --> 00:24:00,440 off centered, but not really off centered, I'll really just try and really 293 00:24:00,519 --> 00:24:04,559 just try and almost taste the air and really slow my breathing down and really 294 00:24:04,599 --> 00:24:10,119 feel all the aspects of it. And again, if I focus enough on 295 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,960 that, it takes me away from the thoughts that I'm that I'm having, 296 00:24:14,039 --> 00:24:19,680 which generally brings me back to more of a central point. In terms of 297 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:26,240 practices, I do try and meditate in the morning and before beds. It's 298 00:24:26,279 --> 00:24:30,599 something I used to do a lot growing up. It's something I drifted away 299 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:36,079 from in recent years, but it's something that I've built the habits of kind 300 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,599 of getting back to over the last few months, which which has really helped. 301 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:45,480 And those are just guided meditations, guided morning meditations and guided evening meditation. 302 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:52,119 So yeah, that's pretty much all I do at the moment. Bad. 303 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:59,880 I appreciate who you are just as a person like I yearned for mark 304 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:15,240 very comments you've got. Thank you very much. Well, that was fascinating. 305 00:25:15,319 --> 00:25:18,839 Thank you so much for doing that. What what is your takeaways from 306 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:26,559 your conversation with him? Okay, so, as you heard, I was 307 00:25:26,599 --> 00:25:33,000 sharing with him how he's going to proceed this year. Last year was his 308 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,599 rookie year in the PGA. Do you have new goals, new ideas, 309 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:41,640 new things that you want to achieve? And his response was kind of like, 310 00:25:41,759 --> 00:25:45,079 well, I'm just taking it as it comes, you know, and 311 00:25:45,079 --> 00:25:53,039 and those kind of approaches. And I personally don't subscribe to that point of 312 00:25:53,119 --> 00:26:00,400 view as a peak performance coach, as a passion in it, athlete and 313 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:06,920 pursuer of excellence and success, as well as a student of the great players 314 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,960 in golf who have won the most talking tiger Woods, you know, we're 315 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,880 talking Jack, Nicholas, Arnold, Palmer, even you know Gary Player. 316 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:22,799 All of these guys came to play a tournament to win, all of them 317 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,519 and no questions about it, play their very best and win, not just 318 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:32,640 let's well, I'll just see how it goes and what happens. And again, 319 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:38,160 please understand, there's nothing wrong with you know, I'm just going to 320 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:44,200 play it as it goes. I'm not criticizing that. I'm saying, let's 321 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,759 use our abilities and access our mind and our intentions. If you choose to 322 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,559 it elevates your game, elevate your mental state, elevate your game, elevate 323 00:26:53,599 --> 00:26:57,559 your play, elevate your energy as a human being on and off the golf 324 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:04,279 course. So that's what I'm always interested in looking for. The what kind 325 00:27:04,319 --> 00:27:08,680 of edge can you have over your competitor, How can you improve yourself by 326 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:15,000 one percent? You know, constantly? And so Aaron, you know, 327 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:22,240 share like I do have some challenges. His approaches, you know, I 328 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,720 kind of take it fluidly, like I just deal with it as it comes. 329 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,599 And he admitted, he said, like, but I don't have the 330 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:37,279 answers. And that's that's what gets me. That that Fred, that just 331 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,799 blows my mind because I see it from amateur players, elite amateur players, 332 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:47,559 and and he's not the only one that I've interviewed at the PGA top level 333 00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:55,799 who are aware of their challenges but are not doing things and and and and 334 00:27:55,799 --> 00:28:03,000 and integrating elements to really really improve those challenges and frustrations and I and to 335 00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:07,160 me, it's like why not, like you are, especially at the PGA 336 00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:11,480 level, but I would say even at the amateur level, there's But I'm 337 00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:17,000 saying at the PGA level, because this is your profession, you're leaving what 338 00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:22,000 we would call figuratively and literally money on the table and a huge mount not 339 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:29,240 just getting by the cut and you know, getting a paycheck, but to 340 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,240 get up that leaderboard and to be at the top not just one or two 341 00:28:33,319 --> 00:28:40,160 or maybe three times in a season, but what about consistently that consistently you 342 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,960 were there. Look at Tiger Woods, it consistently on the top of that 343 00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:48,359 leaderboard consistently. Some of the things that blow me away about Tiger, by 344 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,640 the way, and this is just to me, whether you like him as 345 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,519 a player or not just looking at his statistics, just look at him as 346 00:28:56,599 --> 00:29:02,200 a performer over a block of time, because it's not He's not the same 347 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,519 thing, oh for sure. But I'm talking in his het, in his 348 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:10,759 in the height right, Okay, in his prime, Tiger very rarely came 349 00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:15,079 from behind to win a tournament. Definitely came from behind. But but come 350 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,680 Sunday, Uh, that was rare. He would be coming from behind on 351 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:25,160 the on the on the opposite on Sunday if he was leading the tournament. 352 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:30,279 Very rarely did he give that up right, And everybody around him was totally 353 00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:37,559 intimidated by his presence when he had lead. Yes, and that where did 354 00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:41,279 that come from? How it's there's a realness too about it. Yes, 355 00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:45,839 he had tactics and things that he did, but here was an energy about 356 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,640 him. There was an intensity, a desire and drive. Uh kind of 357 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,160 pedal to the metal. Uh, put your foot on the on the you 358 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,519 know, on the throat kind of thing. It just won't let up. 359 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:03,200 That that just doesn't come from That wasn't in his in his bag of tricks 360 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,559 with his clubs. That's in his bag of his peak performance. Thinking. 361 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:15,200 These are what I'm talking about. And again there are different personalities and different 362 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,839 things. Gary Player talks about this like he said, you know, there 363 00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:22,519 are guys on the PGA tour who come for a paycheck, you know, 364 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,960 and again like there's nothing wrong with that, and then there are guys who 365 00:30:26,119 --> 00:30:34,000 are there to win and uh, and that's just that there's more to this 366 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,240 that maybe we'll talk about, Like what comes in the way of that. 367 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,960 I'm just and again, please, if you're listening to this, understand I'm 368 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:51,200 coming from a place of acceptance of all, and where I'm coming from is 369 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:56,359 a place of truly. If you are frustrated with your level of play and 370 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:02,640 your challenge is that you see consistently or happening, there is something you can 371 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,720 do about that. And most of these things, a lot of them are 372 00:31:06,759 --> 00:31:12,279 not about swing changes, their peak performance changes, and in essence they're not 373 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:18,720 hard to make. They're just new and new to integrate. But it's also 374 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:23,119 I go, why not if you can drop five strokes in around and bring 375 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,559 your game to new heights? Why not? Regardless if you're you know, 376 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,720 just a golfer who just loves to play and doesn't compete, or you are 377 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:38,519 in a competing situation and play in tournaments, why not? But doesn't that 378 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:48,160 introduce expectation? Don't you of like I better win or else? Okay, 379 00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:52,079 good question, really good question. No not from? Not from when you 380 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,400 have a method and understanding, can I I'll just share a little bit about 381 00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:04,680 that, yes, please, so yes, before you enter a tournament, 382 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:13,720 they're definite peak performance tools that you can do and ascertain goals and visualizations and 383 00:32:14,119 --> 00:32:17,279 you know, putting in thoughts. I'll just speak to goals for a second. 384 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:24,319 Any any salesman, any business people listening to this podcast, probably probably 385 00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:29,960 a lot. Do business people have goals to set goals for their monthly sales, 386 00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:35,759 yearly sales? Most would say yes, right, yes, right, 387 00:32:36,119 --> 00:32:42,279 and especially top top sales people, I would say vast majority have those goals 388 00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:47,559 for what to to push themselves to reach for that plus deeper. Those are 389 00:32:47,559 --> 00:32:54,519 imposed goals. Those are imposed goals by their managers. Oh, it can 390 00:32:54,599 --> 00:32:59,920 be. Many are individuals, right, many and many? You got to 391 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,640 that on as an individual and an entrepreneur, or if you are even in 392 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:12,960 that sense, okay, now to get there. Yeah, you face challenges, 393 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,759 you face failures, you don't achieve them, but you keep working on 394 00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:21,759 them. And if you keep working on those goals, there's truly nothing to 395 00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:24,400 stop you. You will achieve them. The only thing that often stops us 396 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,640 is the space, the six inch space between our ears, our own self, 397 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,319 our own self. So it's the same thing with Kauf. However, 398 00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:39,160 fred I will say this, if you do have put yourself in the fire 399 00:33:39,359 --> 00:33:45,400 of goals, you better have a method and a system to deal with it, 400 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:51,440 because why you're going to get challenge what I call the army of the 401 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,319 aliens, which is your own self, and what that is is your subconscious. 402 00:33:55,519 --> 00:34:01,119 Your subconscious is going to send you what I call negative thoughts like like 403 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:06,880 this one. You're in a eighteenth seventeen to eighteenth hole. You know you're 404 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,559 you're putting for a birdie, a crucial situation, and you might, as 405 00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:15,159 you're getting prepared in your preshot routine, you might hear in your head, 406 00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:19,239 oh, you're gonna blow this one again like you've done so many times. 407 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:24,320 And for the unprepared golfer, the golfer who doesn't have a method, that's 408 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:30,800 probably enough to shake them in their boots, or to give them a little 409 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,760 sweat in their palms of their heart beats a little quicker, their mind goes 410 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,719 off a little bit, and they don't sink that putt. That's frustrating, 411 00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:45,519 especially when they know they have the talent and they've done it before. But 412 00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:49,920 here they are in that pressure situation, and it happens again and again and 413 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,920 again. Now to the other side of the story, the same thing happens, 414 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,360 and you hear, oh, you're gonna blow this birdie putt like you've 415 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:04,840 done so many times. Now, the golfer who has methods and uses this 416 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:12,760 process, especially from the perspective I look at, that's actually success statement, 417 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,880 that's actually your subconscious is telling you, Like, for you, Fred, 418 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:21,559 you're about to sink this putt, Fred and have success and maybe take your 419 00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:25,079 game to a whole other level. But it asks you these questions to test 420 00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:32,440 your own personal result, your preparation, and your readiness to step into that 421 00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:38,199 success. And when you use the methods that I share and other people have 422 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:43,639 other methods too. You know, once i'm share that I share, you 423 00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:47,840 you actually laugh at that. You relax, and you you go through a 424 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:54,400 simple process to turn that around, and you take a breath, you do 425 00:35:54,519 --> 00:36:00,679 the process, you sink that putt, and you achieve success. So negative, 426 00:36:00,679 --> 00:36:05,000 what we appear is negative isn't negative at all. It's the opposite. 427 00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:09,440 It's success. It's positive. But I will say this, if you're a 428 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:14,440 golfer and you just start like and you kind of have fasted, say, 429 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:15,719 Okay, I'm going to have this goal in this goal and this goal, 430 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:21,360 and I'm going to start using these affirmations and anchors and you're not you're not 431 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,480 prepared. You don't understand that you have to deal with things that are going 432 00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:30,199 to come in your way that challenge you. When you raise up your game 433 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:36,760 to these goals, you're in trouble. And I would say in those kind 434 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,639 of things, in some cases it's better you don't have goals and just play 435 00:36:40,679 --> 00:36:46,480 your very bass or until you get a full rounded perspective to know how to 436 00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:52,559 handle that when it's happening, because more than likely it's going to happen. 437 00:36:52,679 --> 00:36:59,480 Kobe Bryant said, you know, his by far worst most challenging competitor was 438 00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:04,360 knowing on the basketball court was his own self, and he talked a lot 439 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,039 about those things. Okay, so so is it so it's to me, 440 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:14,440 Yes, it's great to have goals and you will achieve them as long as 441 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:21,320 you have a method to understand that process and apply yourself and not just that. 442 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:28,079 Get excited, get excited about, you know, flourishing in adversity, 443 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,840 because that's what golf is. Man Like the golf architect and the golf course 444 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:37,920 itself, you are going to be challenged right day in and day out. 445 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:43,519 And if you come to that and with passion, with acceptance, with knowing 446 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,159 you are going to hit. You are going to have a t shot that 447 00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:49,519 goes out of you know, goes way off course. You are going to 448 00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:52,960 have shots that don't go your way, but you also in that you can 449 00:37:53,039 --> 00:38:00,920 accept that, and you have methods to keep your mental state calm and enjoy 450 00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:06,119 the enjoy the process and know how to focus on your next target with intention. 451 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,800 You're gonna do great. You're gonna do great no matter what level. 452 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:15,159 You are awesome. How does that sound to you? Fred? Fascinating And 453 00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:17,840 I want to I want to dig deeper into it, but I want to 454 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:28,039 take a break first. We'll be right back. We're gonna get into the 455 00:38:28,519 --> 00:38:32,159 Camilla Vijayas interview in the segment two. But I want to know. You 456 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:39,840 talked about methods. You talked about process. Are those different ooh methods? 457 00:38:40,039 --> 00:38:50,400 Process? Yeah, Well they're in a way the methods. There's a process 458 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,760 for sure, but the method kind of almost in a way, a process 459 00:38:54,400 --> 00:39:00,559 can be included in the method like the methods. Like methods are there can 460 00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:05,760 be many many different levels and there's a process, yes, but the process 461 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,320 you're kind of dealing with at each shot, each hole, you know things 462 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:16,360 like that. Okay, interesting, All right, let's talk about the conversation 463 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:22,119 that you had with Camilla Virgayas. Okay, because we've not had him on 464 00:39:22,199 --> 00:39:24,639 before. Right, No, correct, now, So you want to set 465 00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:29,239 it up or do you want to go right to it? Yeah, let's 466 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,519 let's go right into it and then we could talk about it. Okay, 467 00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:37,360 here we go. Name's Kerry Valentine and I work with podcasts, Got Smarter, 468 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,920 just love to chat with you a little bit on the positive side of 469 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,960 the mental game. And I was just curious, as you, you know, 470 00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:50,000 start this new year, is there things that you go through like between 471 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,199 you know, the end of last year and this year to kind of like, 472 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:58,519 okay, I want to reset on certain areas or look at certain you 473 00:39:58,559 --> 00:40:02,599 know, things to to respark or reinspire you or things like that. Well, 474 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,679 I mean, first things first, I'm very excited to be here. 475 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,280 It's obviously it's been a kind of bumpy road here the last few years. 476 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:15,960 And a winning at the end of last season was it was really cool, 477 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:20,360 man, it was. I was very proud of myself. I was very 478 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,639 excited how with the energy got received, which was awesome. And then from 479 00:40:25,639 --> 00:40:30,440 there on when you talk about kind of resetting for this year once again, 480 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,679 I'm happy to be playing on the PGA Tour again. And and if that's 481 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:39,159 some motivation, then A what is it? And a but at the same 482 00:40:39,199 --> 00:40:42,360 time, you've got to stick to your process and you've got to do the 483 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:49,199 same thing. So you got to prepare the right way. You gotta once 484 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:54,199 again stick to the process. You can't get ahead of yourself. You know 485 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,880 you're going to have good weeks, average weeks, and bad weeks, and 486 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,199 you guess, stay patient. The year is long. They seem to be 487 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:07,599 going quicker and quicker every year, but they they're still Last year was a 488 00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:10,559 perfect example of how things were not going great, but I was very patient. 489 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:15,599 It paid off at the end. So the idea is to keep working 490 00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:22,039 with my office structure, keep working with my mental coach, and just stick 491 00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:28,599 to the to the process. Mm hm, yes. And what elements with 492 00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:32,679 that with mentally, Let's say for your playing in you know, around and 493 00:41:34,119 --> 00:41:37,079 hit a few bad shots and you can see maybe the mind kind of kicks 494 00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:45,039 in there in maybe a negative way. Is there certain techniques or things you 495 00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:49,760 do to bring you back to center? There are I mean there's a lot 496 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:55,519 of breathing exercises. There's a lot of stuff about just controlling your tension and 497 00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:01,239 just just don't be reacted. One of the keysy not to react to great 498 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,199 shots, not to react to bad shots, and just try to keep it 499 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:13,039 us, keep it us. That's even as it is, because it's not 500 00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:17,320 different than going to the casino. So you're getting emotional and then it's gonna 501 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,119 get you. The game of golf is a tricky one and it gets you 502 00:42:21,159 --> 00:42:23,840 if you start getting emotional. So you just, well, I want to 503 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:28,320 maintain your composure. What do you do with that? You just kind of 504 00:42:29,159 --> 00:42:31,519 there's a lot of breathing stuff that I've been doing and it really helps me 505 00:42:31,639 --> 00:42:37,159 just kind of put things aside and bring me back to center. M And 506 00:42:37,199 --> 00:42:45,440 I'm feel fore you for lots of your daughter and my late wife and passed 507 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:52,719 on through brain tumor. So it started same and I just was wondering as 508 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,559 well, I see with you on your on your bag and you're bringing that 509 00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,679 thought and inspiration is how what are you taking from that in your life? 510 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,320 Yeah, it's been unbelievable, you know, it's a it's been a crazy 511 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,840 journey. Obviously, nobody wants to lose a daughter or a wife in your 512 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:12,559 case, so sorry to hear about that. But but but you got to 513 00:43:12,559 --> 00:43:16,840 accept. I think the main thing is acceptance. Accept that a life is 514 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:23,320 life and and and it's not it's not pretty all the time. So once 515 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:30,320 you accept the things that happen, and you can put a plan together to 516 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,440 keep moving forward. And in this case me as miracles have been a great 517 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:39,320 inspirations open our hearts to help others. Say, it just feels our heart 518 00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:45,280 every time we can add two cents to making somebody smile, somebody in need 519 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,440 because we were one of those individuals when we're at the hospital, and I 520 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,599 know there's a lot of people that need the sport. And that's the way 521 00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:55,679 we're approaching it. We're approaching it with with with a big heart. We're 522 00:43:55,639 --> 00:44:00,480 approbably. We know me as in the right place. It was a tough 523 00:44:00,519 --> 00:44:05,719 bottle that she wasn't gonna win, thanks for getting really nasty and and it 524 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,719 was time for her to to wrestle again. I'm a peace to where she 525 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:14,280 is and and I have accepted what happened and the reason why it happened, 526 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:20,639 and they and we keep moving forward. I was curious if you have a 527 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:29,880 SASA playlist to get you inspired at all. I have. Yeah. Yeah, 528 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,159 I like the old the old school stuff, and yeah it's good. 529 00:44:32,159 --> 00:44:37,800 It's good, yeah, Mark Anthony, even older cruise. Oh yeah, 530 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:45,840 a lot of all the old guys. Really. See see I'm a congetto 531 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:52,320 so and so I just have learned. Yeah, I lived in Brazil sometimes, 532 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:59,559 so I just embraced the spirit of South American. It's a beautiful element. 533 00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:07,599 And thanks, thank you for your time. Okay, Wow, that 534 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:12,480 was He's gone through a lot. He was kind of gone for a while, 535 00:45:12,519 --> 00:45:16,960 and now I'm like, oh, that's why. That was powerful stuff 536 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:21,960 that he opened up right to you. Man, that was very impressive that 537 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,480 he was able to do that and go there with you. Yeah, and 538 00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:34,519 I really appreciate it. And uh sure. Unfortunately I've gone through not my 539 00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:43,840 own but family and loved ones who had incredible challenging health issues and somewhat similar 540 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:49,119 to his daughter to a certain degree, So there was quite an empathy there 541 00:45:49,159 --> 00:45:57,000 that I felt and with him on that. Yeah. Yeah, And what 542 00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:05,960 were your takeaways from that conversation? Oh, I love that he is feeling 543 00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:10,519 the appreciation and gratitude to be back playing just to be back playing golf, 544 00:46:12,199 --> 00:46:17,920 but also being back at a high level. And you know, anything like 545 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:24,599 that of you know, a husband or wife of a child going through health 546 00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:35,840 issues and an unfortunate death that's super challenging, and yet he's using it to 547 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:42,519 inspire himself and it's beautiful. It's a beautiful story, you know. And 548 00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:45,039 that's that's kind of life. You know, out of the you know, 549 00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:49,480 out of the ashes, the phoenix will rise if you dare to do it, 550 00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:53,920 if you dare to go there. And it's making him and his wife 551 00:46:54,000 --> 00:47:00,000 a better, better person's a better couple, and is giving us the opportunity 552 00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:05,719 to ride that wave of inspiration in our own selves right, to look at 553 00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,400 our own lives and how we can improve in our own self as we face 554 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:15,079 adversity. Sure, and that's much more than mental game training or peak performance. 555 00:47:15,199 --> 00:47:19,239 Now. Now, this is life. It's a very different past, 556 00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:28,400 right, Yes and no, because again, the methods that I share and 557 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:34,480 work with folks on golfers and other athletes, they're constantly sharing with me. 558 00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:37,320 You know, Carrie, what you're sharing with me to improve on my on 559 00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:43,039 the athletic field is also helping me to be a better person. Wow, 560 00:47:43,079 --> 00:47:47,800 and I'm I'm calmer, I'm more confident, I'm more caring, and it's 561 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:53,239 just making my making my relationships better and and they all that helps then your 562 00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,679 athletic abilities, right like, then whatever you do, you know, you 563 00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,480 got that support and comfort and confident and it's behind you that the people are 564 00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:07,400 loved that you love are supporting you. You go and do an incredible getting 565 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,840 chicken skin we say that in Hawaii, all over my body, you know, 566 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:15,800 chills. Then you go and perform even better at new heights on your 567 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:21,239 performance, you know, whatever athletic realm you do, or any realm you 568 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,599 do, whether that's business or arts or music or things like that, and 569 00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:30,039 then you come back and it's a it's a cycle that just builds on itself. 570 00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:36,639 And that energy of growing in the capacity as a person and and at 571 00:48:36,679 --> 00:48:42,360 achievement, you know, to know, I think that's one of the beautiful 572 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:49,280 things that when you're an individual who have pushed yourself through adversity, you know 573 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,159 you've you know what you've been through. Maybe not maybe not a lot of 574 00:48:52,199 --> 00:48:55,559 other people do, but you know what you've dealt with and you know what 575 00:48:55,679 --> 00:49:00,800 it has taken and and the grit and the consistency to get there, and 576 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:05,719 then when you achieve it, you're like, wow, it was worth it. 577 00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:07,679 It was a heck of a ride, but man, it was worth 578 00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,039 it. Yeah. It's so challenging when you're in it, but yeah, 579 00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:14,000 you get to look at it from the other side. God will I mean, 580 00:49:14,039 --> 00:49:15,719 like, if you get to be on the other side and look at 581 00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:22,159 it, it's like I made it, got stronger for it, right, 582 00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:28,599 one hundred percent. And as I said, like, you know, I've 583 00:49:28,639 --> 00:49:34,880 dealt with a wife who passed on through a brain tumor. It was devastating 584 00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:39,000 to me to her uh, and yet here I am years later. I 585 00:49:39,039 --> 00:49:43,599 didn't expect my life to go and the way it did, but I expected 586 00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:46,480 to get back into a relationship. I expected to get married, but didn't 587 00:49:46,519 --> 00:49:51,239 expect to have that with kids. But that's where it was. She had 588 00:49:51,519 --> 00:49:54,960 My wife has had children. So I was like, okay, I'll sign 589 00:49:55,079 --> 00:49:59,760 up. I care for you so much like I'll be daddy in training and 590 00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:06,920 learn about this And it's been amazing. So again, going through the adversity 591 00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:12,079 and you just like the sun is shining on the other side of the clouds. 592 00:50:12,159 --> 00:50:15,760 You just you got to go through the grieving, the challenging, whatever 593 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,719 it is. It takes time, but you keep going forward and life will 594 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:23,800 support you. Life wants to support you. So just yeah, whether it's 595 00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:30,599 as a golf or as a person. So just to share that, thank 596 00:50:30,639 --> 00:50:38,599 you, Thank you. You've been doing this now talking to athletes working on 597 00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:45,599 metal game performance for a number of years now. How has it evolved from 598 00:50:45,679 --> 00:50:52,440 your perspective, How as it evolved for me or the field of mental field 599 00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:59,880 performance from your perspective, how the field has evolved. Okay, okay, 600 00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:05,400 you're asking, I'll share, I'll do it. So the field has definitely 601 00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:14,960 evolved more acceptance. I mean years ago, I personally felt like I was 602 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:20,719 an oddball, like to talk to athletes about their mental game mental health, 603 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:27,440 to talk to anybody at that point pre COVID, talking to and especially guys, 604 00:51:27,519 --> 00:51:31,559 talking to them about their mental emotional health was a bit of a challenge. 605 00:51:32,199 --> 00:51:40,440 Okay, Now since COVID, we have at least accepted, We've gone 606 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:45,159 to this place of saying, yeah, everyone has these challenges and mental health 607 00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:50,719 challenges, and some are dealing with depression, some are dealing with suicide or 608 00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:55,960 tendencies all these things, and so it's more out in the open, more 609 00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:02,960 acceptance, more acceptable. I feel we need more tools, better tools still 610 00:52:04,519 --> 00:52:08,960 to deal with people dealing with depression, dealing with suicide, dealing with peak 611 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:14,800 performance, whether that's just in life as an athlete, as a business person, 612 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:22,039 things like that. And part of that is what I was sharing earlier. 613 00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:25,719 This is serious. I mean, when you take your if you're willing 614 00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:31,280 to take yourself on and go through the fire of the challenges, you're gonna 615 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:37,280 be challenged. You just I mean, it's kind of like in any sport. 616 00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,320 Let's say you play football, like, oh, the quarterback, I'm 617 00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:43,360 a running back. The quarterback is just gonna pass to me every time I 618 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,480 got to run fifty yards, sixty yards, catch the ball, easy touchdown. 619 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,920 No, it ain't gonna happen. You're gonna meet adversity, the defense. 620 00:52:52,559 --> 00:52:55,239 But then you learn and you know how to deal with the defense. 621 00:52:55,760 --> 00:53:01,760 And in life defense here is your own brain. You're subconscious who's trying to 622 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:07,440 help you. But that's the key. That's most people think like, oh, 623 00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:12,840 I got this thing, this wrong machine in their head, and I'm 624 00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,159 not going to get into it today, probably, but believe me, if 625 00:53:16,199 --> 00:53:22,119 there was a you know, the poster boy for adversity and doubt and fear 626 00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:28,199 and all of that. I'm on it without a doubt. What I've come 627 00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:34,679 through is unbelievable. And so that's why I have so much confidence and passion 628 00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:38,920 to help others, because I've seen what you can go through. So what's 629 00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:43,400 happening in the field. It's growing, There's a lot it's expanding. There's 630 00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:49,760 a lot more people in the field, which is fantastic, And I would 631 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:59,119 love to see more of people taking on those deeper emotions rather than mentalizing it, 632 00:53:59,199 --> 00:54:00,719 trying to turn it, trying to get over it. Okay, And 633 00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:05,679 what I'm talking about is go into it. Go into those emotions. What 634 00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,760 are they really telling you? What are they what's going on there? And 635 00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:13,280 have the right people with the right tools and skill sets to get you through 636 00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:17,480 that. Because what I've seen personally and with folks that i've assisted, when 637 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:22,920 you do it this way, you actually those those patterns, those doubts, 638 00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:30,159 those fears, they change. You can clear them out and then be in 639 00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:35,679 the zone in life and in your particular sport and for golfers, and so 640 00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:40,880 you don't have that keep running story that it's going on I'll give another example. 641 00:54:42,119 --> 00:54:45,559 Please, I'm humble to say it, but I'm saying this for a 642 00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:51,440 purpose. You know, I love Steph Curry as a basketball player and as 643 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:57,199 a person. Is pretty amazing what he's gone through. But he has said, 644 00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:02,679 you know, he still deals with that. Else. He deals with 645 00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:07,559 doubts that he had when he was a kid, when he was younger, 646 00:55:08,159 --> 00:55:12,599 and they're still around. They've gotten somewhat better, but they're still around, 647 00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,079 and he uses it to keep him in place and check and you know, 648 00:55:16,159 --> 00:55:20,639 he deals with it in his own way. And I'm saying, Steph, 649 00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:25,559 man, I'd love to have a conversation with you to say those can be 650 00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:30,440 gone. Could you imagine them gone? Could you imagine them they're not there 651 00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:36,360 anymore? And how much more freed up energy and space you'll have and peace 652 00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:43,159 in your life and in your basketball you know playing and for golfers, you 653 00:55:43,199 --> 00:55:47,119 know that it's gone. It's really gone, because why it's not there to 654 00:55:47,639 --> 00:55:51,280 harm or hurt you. It's there to say, are you ready to pass 655 00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,760 this test? And when you pass the test and go through the doorway by 656 00:55:53,840 --> 00:56:00,599 using certain methods, it clears out and you elevate yourself. The cool thing 657 00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:06,440 fred is. I don't need to prove anything to people I work with. 658 00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,199 I don't try to force it on them. I share with them and then 659 00:56:09,199 --> 00:56:14,119 I say, you be a scientist. You tell me is it working or 660 00:56:14,159 --> 00:56:17,840 not? You tell me that's the proof in the putting in your own body. 661 00:56:19,079 --> 00:56:22,559 And they come back, man, carry Yeah, it's changing, and 662 00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:27,280 I'm able to be more focused. I'm able to have more success. I'm 663 00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,760 in the zone more and I'm extending that elasticity of the zone to stay there 664 00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:36,440 more. And I'm enjoying my life and my golf game much much more. 665 00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,199 Awesome. Tell us how do you find you on the web? Ah, 666 00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:46,760 well, a few different ways. If this is interesting to you and you 667 00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:52,559 are interested to you know, kind of like lower score by five strokes bring 668 00:56:52,599 --> 00:56:59,960 your game to new hids. Please check out unleashgolf dot com. That's unleashed 669 00:57:00,199 --> 00:57:05,079 golf dot com and that what that brings you to is from time to time 670 00:57:05,519 --> 00:57:09,840 I do live trainings where I go deeply into this and and I keep it 671 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:14,840 very intimate and small group so I can really help the people that are there, 672 00:57:15,559 --> 00:57:21,239 and so you can sign up for our trainings. Kerrie, I really 673 00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,679 appreciate the effort you put into this every year. There's so much fun to 674 00:57:23,679 --> 00:57:30,599 be able to hear these these pros talking about the mental game, their perspective 675 00:57:30,679 --> 00:57:35,039 on it, in the reality of it. It is so much fun and 676 00:57:35,119 --> 00:57:38,719 it's always great to reconnect with you them same here Fred and I Honor. 677 00:57:39,199 --> 00:57:44,960 I'm so grateful and excited each time I have this opportunity with you. So 678 00:57:45,039 --> 00:57:50,159 thank you, And it is really impressive to see how the podcast has grown. 679 00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,480 I am so impressed of your success and your passion of doing this. 680 00:57:54,639 --> 00:58:00,400 You bring on so many amazing quality, you know, speakers on the subject, 681 00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:10,119 and it's really really impressive. So thank you for having me on and 682 00:58:10,239 --> 00:58:15,360 thank you for spending that time getting that tape. That's really amazing stuff. 683 00:58:15,679 --> 00:58:21,000 I also want to thank our newest Golf Smarter Ambassador, Jeff Pavelina of Pinehurst, 684 00:58:21,079 --> 00:58:27,360 North Carolina. Jeff plays at Pinehurst Number six regularly. How awesome is 685 00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,679 that. 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