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Okay, bring it off. Hello
everybody, welcome, here we go.

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It's that time again, Matt Connerton
Unleashed and we are live from the studios

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of w m n H ninety five
point three FM in glorious downtown Manchester,

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New Hampshire. Also on Comcast ninety
seven. If you're in Manchester and hello

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to Oliver online listener's across the nation
and around the globe. You can go

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to my website Matt Connerton dot com
for all your live streaming options, social

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media links, contact info, show
archives, etc. Etc. Today is

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Thursday May eighteen, two thousand to
twenty three, so nice to have you

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all with me. And boy,
there's some road construction going on right across

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the street and it's loud, not
that the mics can pick it up,

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and I'm sure as the show goes
on, I will notice it less and

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less. But wow, that's good
though it needs to be done. It

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needs to be done, my friends, it's infrastructure. I do believe our

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friend easyg Eric Agnet is going to
be calling in with is vaunted entertainment report,

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so I know we're all perpetually on
pins and needles when it comes to

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when it comes to that and he
requested a song also that I play at

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the end of it, which I
will play. I will play. I

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will honor that. I will honor
that. By the way, of course,

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Uh, this weekend at the Hop
Knot, Jasmine Man is going to

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be performing live on Saturday tonight at
the Hop Knot. Of course it's Trivia

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Night. Of course, every Thursday
night they have Trivia Night now. It's

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hosted by Broderick Lange and it starts
at seven pm. If you're going to

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go, one suggestion, a very
strong suggestion, call ahead or reach out

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to Kenny on social media or the
Hop Knot, I should say on social

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media. Probably best to call ahead
because those spots fill up very quickly.

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Trivia is a very popular feature there
at the Hop Knot when the Brady Sullivan

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right across the street. And hey, those delicious gourmet pretzels and craft beer.

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That's not that's not bad either,
So there you go. Um.

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Other than easy ge, we don't
really have a guest today. We're gonna

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be kind of catching up on some
news items and taking your calls at six

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zo three two five six Z seven
six zo three two five six Z seven.

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You can also text me at six
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seven six. I'm on social media
at Matt Connerton. You can email me

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Matt at matt Connerton dot com,
and of course you can interact Endo Pine

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in the Facebook live chat. Actually
I won't give the studio line again right

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now because I think EASYG will be
calling in to do his report at any

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moment, But as we await him, we will go ahead and say hello

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to everybody in the Facebook live chat. Oh actually I think this is probably

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Oh here we go? Wow as
actually right on time, EASYG? Is

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that you? Yes? It is? Whereas what times you playing on Jason

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Man's phrase At Friday night you said
Saturday, They're doing live music Saturdays now

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at the hop Noot at seven pm? Oh on cool? Yeah, yes,

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yes, oh easy ye. Oh
go ahead. I think you probably

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know what I'm going to talk about
at the beginning of my offer for here,

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I have no idea. I can't
wait to be surprised now I have

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to before we get I'm sorry.
You're not gonna call me the wrong name,

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are you like the other Eric did
yesterday? No? Can thank you?

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Can you believe that? Can you
believe that he actually our friend?

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Eric? Pilcher from Cedar Rapids,
Iowa, who does the does the Classic

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film review every Friday, and we
love and appreciate him very much. But

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he actually called the show and slipped
and called me the wrong name. He

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called me John for a split second
there. Yeah, he had me mixed

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up with John Hopwood. It was
very hurtful. As long as I don't

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call you a layer, then all
right, right, good one. Um.

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You know it's almost as though everybody
from New Hampshire is just the same

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to him. It's like, next
thing, you know, he'll be calling

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me Jenny. He did talk to
John Hogway, so it's an honest thing.

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Yes, I know, I know. Yes, he called in to

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John's television show and then called my
show. Can you believe that? Boy?

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He's on a fourth block now you
I thought it would just be on

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the three flow. Can you believe
that? I don't know. I don't

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know what goes on over a channel
twenty three. Now. I do have

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a quick story for you before you
get to your report, Eric, I

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had something I didn't even get it. I didn't even get a chance to

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share this with Jenny. This was
this was incredible. Listen to this,

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so I go to a I go
to a certain subshop. I'm not going

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to say the name of it.
It's a national chain, and I go

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there. I go there and I
order a sub and uh, I like

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to you know, when I order
a sub, if there's an opportunity,

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I like to request extra tomatoes.
I always say. I say, I

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say to the person, hey,
if you can throw a couple of extra

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tomatoes on there, I would love
it. So I go to this sub

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shop today, right easy, g
I go to the subshop and I do

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the thing. I say, Hey, by the way, if you could

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throw a couple of extra tomatoes on
there, they look fresh, I would

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love it. Normally that's met with
a positive response, but in this particular

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instance, the guy working behind the
counter he leaned in. He put his

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finger almost right in my face,
and he said, now you listen to

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meet you, little punk. Your
sandwich will have precisely the requisite number of

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tomatoes and no more. And I
couldn't believe it. I was in shock,

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and I was like, whoa man, I'm sorry. I didn't mean

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to upset you. And he said, ah, I've heard about you.

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You go all over town getting subs, and you always ask for extra tomatoes.

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Oh, I've heard all about you, and I couldn't believe he was

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so upset about this. He took
it personally and I said to him,

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I said, well, who's going
around talking about me and what I eat

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and what I put on my sub? And he said, oh, I'll

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tell you exactly who I heard it
from. His name is Bruce. Oh

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yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're sorry to hear it.

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Your your a little friend there,
You're a little friend there. Bruce

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ruined my sub. I did not
get my extra tomatoes, and I would

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appreciate it. I would appreciate it
if you could politely, because I understand

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he's intimidating. If you could please
ask him not to interfere with my tomatoes.

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Oh boy, yeah, it's really
none of his business. And I

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feel like Jenny was in the room. I haven't even mentioned h I haven't

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even mentioned Bruce recently, and yet
I feel like he is still just going

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around trying to sabotage me at every
opportunity. And I have to tell you

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easy, I resent it. Yeah. So I'm sure Jenny's listening. I'm

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assuming she's back in town, right, She is back in town. Yes,

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she arrived back yesterday, so I
wanted to give her a shout out

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to you trying to U do some
good in this world. So I'm sure

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she'll appreciate it. That absolutely.
Yes, Like my friend Peter, Peter

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Fleming, he'd been going back and
forth to to Washington, even hang out

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with the governor there, and he
always tried to do don't do things with

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people with disabilities. Yes, excellent. You didn't have to do that,

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you know, but he wanted to
try to help out his friends. Well,

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activism is a wonderful thing. I
wish there was a lot more of

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it in the world. But we
all have to look out for each other,

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or at least we should. And
um, you know what we say,

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we say, you know, Jenny
and my friend Peter and along with

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it. They didn't have to do
it, you know, exactly, Well,

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somebody else could do it, but
hey, she took advantage of going

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down there. And Peter, you
should do a lot of good things and

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try to, you know, like
I said, help buy his buddies and

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people with disabilities. And I think
he did a lot of good. Absolutely.

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By the way, Jenny is in
the chat room and she says thank

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you. Easy hey, no problem. And uh. Also Jay fed is

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the chatwoman says I hate Bruce.
Yeah, that's not nice. He shouldn't

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hate anybody, but I agree,
you shouldn't hate anybody, but there are

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exceptions. Oh yeah, before he
started to report the Uh this guy here

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god Rust's soul and story. You
heard about it, superstar building Graham,

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Yes, shad on Facebook the uh
I found it a website and to give

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him ten bells. Now, if
that guy doesn't get ten bells tomorrow night,

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there's something seriously wrong that guys.
Obviously it's a superstar. That guy.

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I mean, I was an important
guy in the world of wrestling,

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you know, if you don't get
ten bells, you know. I mean

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Eddie Guerre Will got ten bells and
he wasn't superstar like this guy was.

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Now. Yeah, superstar Billy Graham, well literally it was in his name.

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Uh. He was a very very
big, very big star in his

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day. He was, you know, world champion. He was kind of

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um hul Cogan uh to some degree, and also Jesse the Body Ventur both

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kind of modeled themselves took certain things
from a superstar. Billy Graham. He

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was a big influence on both of
them. Yeah, hope those giving me

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a five seconds. Oh, he
was a great star. They move on

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to the extorialine he deserves the ten
bells. Yeah, w w. Well,

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who knows. They won't give him
a ten bell salute because they tend

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to reserve that for current stars.
But they will they there will be.

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I'm sure there will be some sort
of a package looking back at his career,

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a retrospective. Yeah, he was
a big guy, so you know,

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the superstar from years ago. They
forget about you. I don't think

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they usually do a ten bell so
well, they don't forget about you.

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I don't think they usually do the
ten bell salute though, unless it's somebody

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current who passed away, because you
don't see those very often. Obviously when

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Brian Pillman, when Brian Pillman died, they did one, and when Owen

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Hart died, obviously they did one, and so forth Eddie Guerrero. But

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these were all current guys. I
a feeling when the Hulks are passes someday

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in the future, he will not
begin to ten bells. Well, no,

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because he's not he's not current,
right, and he doesn't you know,

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get along with when visit man with
a whole lowsuits. Unfortunately, I

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don't want to get into it,
but unfortunately the Billy Graham had a made

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some bad decisions and it's like,
but who doesn't you know? And he

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paid a price in there with his
bad health at the end. You know,

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you can use imagine anation of stuff
he did. He would want to

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get into it. You know,
he's dead now. So he was very

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open about it as a cautionary tale. He wanted people to know that.

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He wanted people to be aware that
his steroid abuse early in his career led

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to a lot of his health issues
and he was look at a Hogan,

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he has almost back surgeries and I
believe you know, his body was falling

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apart now he's seven years old because
of steroids too. Well, in Hogan's

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case, I don't think his back
surgeries are the result of the steroids.

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I think and he's into the double
digits. I think with the back surgeries

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that he's had. Um There have
been many interviews over the years I've seen

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where he says his biggest regret as
far as his wrestling career was that the

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leg drop was his finishing move.
Because every night he's landing on his spine

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in a way that he thinks is
what actually still think steroids doing many favors.

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Oh, very possible, very possible. We'll we'll probably never know for

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sure, but yeah, very likely. Well there's they're saying that the of

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course they weren't testing about that,
but he said dig Wards was a big

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steroid guy in that really probably true
because he was winning all those tournaments and

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then his body's falling apart all these
surgeries he's had on it. Of course

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car Rex has didn't help. But
well that car going around because they weren't

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testing years ago, Melanie in the
chat room says. Melanie says in the

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chat room regarding Hogan, the headbands
weren't his biggest regret. Weird. I

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always like the headbands. Yeah,
it's uh yeah, I'll pay that helps

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some kind of videos on them.
You get to begin the show. I'm

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super star Billie Ram Yes, absolutely
that yeah, oh yeah. When I

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shared that ten ten bells on the
on my Facebook page. So really wants

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to hear that's like a one minute
thirty a second in the video. Oh

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you did your own ten bells salute? What did you sit there? Don't

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know? They found the video of
him. Oh here, I'm talking like

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twenty seconds and then you bang bang
bang. Oh I'll be the ten bells

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right. Oh yeah, I want
before we get to report, then only

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have to shout out to George.
You came by and played some of my

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songs downstairs and a guitar, no
singing, just plays guitar. He had

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a set up thing. I don't
know if you know what this is all

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about, because you're you played a
band. He had this little thing on

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the table. It's like a camera. Okay, I don't know if you

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Yeah, I think I answer my
own question. He's party taking a video

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of its performance, you know,
a small cameras on. It was like

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so tiny. I'm not laughing at
you. Easy had the other thing on

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his hand. He kept touching this
thing on the hand. Was this had.

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I don't know what that is.
I'll kind of help you, help

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you play the guitar or I was
laughing at something Melanie said in the chat

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room. He was personally something.
He had a little instrument on, a

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little you know thing around his wrist, and he was touching down for different

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talent effects. I guess, oh, okay, he is some sort of

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sampler. Yeah, then he had
he know, the thing on the bottom

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and he pressed on the foot there
and he had the speakers. It was

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quite a setup. And then he
all dressed up to when he had a

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nice tie on and nice clothes on. So and his name is George of

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like fifty years he was saying,
oh, George is his name? He

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had George Joe. What's his last
name? Does he play out? I

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don't know. I'm surprised you didn't
get that information so you could include him

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in your entertainment report. I wasn't
gonna I was gonna ask him, but

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he just started set up and then
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want chious, I said him he
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to bother right. You didn't want
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setting up and there there you are
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would have been furious. Let's be
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a musician myself, I can say
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you know, you start you go
asking somebody's name while they're setting up their

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stuff, they're gonna they're gonna freak
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hotel after the show, and uh, throw furniture out the windows. It's

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gonna be a whole thing. Yeah, they're job. Oh that's good.

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Shout out to George, whoever you
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name. George is a very common
name. It'd be nice if we could

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give just call him George the guitar
Player. Hey, that's kind of snappy.

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I like it. George the guitar
player. Hey, man, you're

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going to see George the guitar player. Yeah, yeah, you've never met

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a You've never seen a guitar player
named George Teller can buy and player.

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What about George George Harrison of the
Beatles? Oh, yeah, you're right.

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I wasn't George Harrison. There's plenty
of Georges who played guitar. How

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dare you? I think you should
true try to go if you're ready to

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go. Dedication. I think I've
dedicated this show. Oh well, okay,

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pretty famous guys. I'm around the
way. Easy. You want to

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know about stock market crashes? COVID
nineteen, drive buys, celebrity gossip,

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Easy, GE's got you entertainment reports
stacks? Wow, think nutting butter Jeeke

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thank baby back. Are you ready
for stock? Let's find out ready,

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let's go mon pens of needles.
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dedicated. He's still hanging on,
believe or not. Just just uh ella.

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He's pretty a famous guy. Jimmy
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and he's still hanging on to hospite. Yes, he's been in for

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a while now almost he's almost a
hundred ninety eight. Maybe I think he's

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like ninety eight. Let's he will
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he's ninety eight years old. Yeah, yeah, the shout out to U.

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One term president. He was a
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he was a peanut far good.
After he became president, he's done

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the hospice, not a hospice,
but he's done those houses where you build

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the houses there. He did a
lot of great work after his presidency.

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A lot of people are very dismissive
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you know, historically people speak about
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and in some ways I would say
that's true. But but all the work

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that he did post presidency, I
think really redeemed him in the eyes of

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a lot of people, to build
those houses for the people that need and

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what do you call that? Well, there's is it the organization? Is

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it habitat for humanity? Is that
the organization? Yeah? Yeah, he

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did that for a long time.
Oh yeah, oh yeah, yep.

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I mean I mean actually and not
after he became president, not just running

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it either or just showing up for
photo ops, like actually going and helping

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build. Yeah. Absolutely, no, great man, great man. I

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mean, you know, uh,
say what you want about his presidency,

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but he's he's a great man,
really good guy. Still hanging on and

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still hanging on. He beat uh
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two when he was diagnosed with cancer
and uh, I don't remember the type

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of cancer. But at ninety two
he beat cancer and kept going. I

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mean that's you know, a very
very strong man. Oh yeah, very

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tough. Yeah, oh definitely.
Ruth Bader Ginsberg another example of that.

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Like she was, she was you
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she she beat cancer multiple times at
a very old age. It's like,

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wow, where do you where do
you you know? At any at any

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at any age that's that's uh horrible. But to be able to do that

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at such an advanced age is impressive. Alrighty, we want some more,

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more happier things going on. Good
one of your favorite events on May twenty

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nine. It's a free event,
bring your friends and your family at two

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o'clock. It's a Memorial Day parade, rain and show. And the only

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thing they won't have it if they
cancel it, the year's past. But

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you know, oh, torrential rain. They can't do that. Torrential rain.

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Cancel it not pouring, right,
and I'll have it. And it's

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on Um Street right here in Manchester. And now after like a half an

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hour parade and after it's thirty minute
twenty past thirty minute ceremony, after a

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veteran's park, you know, the
mayor will be there, a couple of

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dignitaries and bla blah blah bah blah. It's it's something to remind you of

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the special day. You know,
this is not now dogs and hamburgers.

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So you said, on less there's
torrential rain. Let me throw a scenario

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scenario at you. Uh, there's
let's say there's severe hail with a strong

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wind and then as soon as the
hail ends, a volcano erupts in the

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area. What happens then with the
raid? Yeah, I canceled, I

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guess okay, yeah, I think
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for anything in this world. Yeah, definitely, definitely, yeah, yeah,

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yeah. I've got to plenty of
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it's my time in the year's past. Well, anyways, you might want

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to check this place out. One
of your favorite places, cream Land on

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Valley Street open eleven am to soon
to be open to nine when it comes

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to the summertimes. So people get
their food and ice creamers, all that

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fun stuff and oh yeah, then
when you're done there, you can go

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over and get your cupcake and queens
any cupcakes down. They rode a little

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bit, but they want another business. Oh they moved so they have two

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business in one now, so makes
it easier for them. Oh um.

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Yeah, there's a few places around
here that are like that. Now who

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did they move in with? I
forget the name of the place. But

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they sell all kind of like knick
knacks and uh T table cloths, but

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knick knacks and and what kind of
variety of thank you that you wouldn't find

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anywhere else. Like, you know, stuff you use, the oven mints

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and all miscellaneous stuff, you wouldn't
find it on normal store. You right,

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that's true. You can't back there. You can't find others anywhere.

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How to get the cupcakes in there
too? Yeah? Yeah, it's great

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that, uh, you know that
you're able to have a place like that,

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that you can go where you know
there's there, there's cupcakes, and

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there's oven, mits and knick knacks. I think that you have a few

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minutes and check that out. It's
an interesting little store. I think it

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is. I dare say the future. Yeah, place where you can go

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that you get some cupcakes, you
get some mits, you get some knick

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knacks. That's that's what we call
a good day. Yeah, it's always

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good to have a creasy cupcakes are
out. Yes, nothing like nothing like

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a delicious cupcake on a ninety degree
day. Great, great summertime. Now,

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you said you on your show of
vile back you said you can't eat

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a lot of sugar anymore. No, No, the last time I hate

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a piece of cake, it went
very poorly for me. But I will

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say this in all sincerity, and
I know I kid I kid, but

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in all sincerity you brought me at
least actually I think more than once you

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did bring me cupcakes from Queen City
Cupcake And they are and I can't say,

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I can't say, yes, they
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alrighty And then another event coming out
real soon there. I've meant a lot

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of people from the station. May
twenty feet Sunday is another family event rain

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Er, Shine and noontime at Veterans
Park. Walking is Hunger Yes, a

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fundraiser for the shelter and you get
a free T shirt and after you're about

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the walk you have some food for
the walkers hot dog, sort of pop,

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watermelon, you know, chips and
cookies and it's only for the people

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that do the walk right, right. You can't you can't just show up

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and just partake in the food without
having to do. You have to do

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the work to enjoy the spoils right. This is another big event coming up

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the found out there by twentieth on
a Saturday, way round in the corner

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or Manchester Musical a multi colored oral
festival featuring a farmer's market in live music

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at Basical Park at two ninety seven
Maple Street eleven am to four another family

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find free event for all. Here's
a lot of music. I've never heard

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of these bands, but allow him
anyways. Cozy Thorne, Sleepyhead, join

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O, Lafon, Nikki, Defrost
Roll, Oh like uh a k Wa

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Ba Ensemble, Oh on great Food
too, Hernados bands? Uh no?

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Now will George the guitarist the guitar
player be there? Oh? I never

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know. I kind of doubt it's
one on the list. Now. Scott

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Robinson has a question easy and the
chat room, he's asking, what's what's

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for supper tonight? Eric, I
don't. I don't have a I'm hoping

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for like, I think it might
be a turkey burghers and some cattle telling.

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That sounds good. Uh. And
Scott also says in the chat room,

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Oh, he's calling you Erica.
Now. He says, Erica,

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is this a free event? It
sounds fun? How do you feel about

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that being called Erica? Uh?
That's bother me. You know what he's

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doing. He's trying to get into
your head. He's trying to get into

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your head for when you guys face
off in the ring. He's trying to

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psych you out by calling you Erica. Yeah, are we going a lot

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of a lot of events coming up
the airport courseman, yeah, I believe

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it or not. Now every Wednesday
at Killington River Shop is no longer happening,

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son, Oh don't go there on
every Wednesday at six o'clock? Why

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is that no longer happening? Finally
over? Oh okay, so thinking give

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people heads up, you know what
it is a big event coming up.

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And to believes a still available April
Coursman dot com. The Country Crawl Lansdowne

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Down Massamez is a country fest.
I'm a twentieth starts at ten am.

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Oh, I believe April is gonna
be on at one o'clock. It's a

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paid event. Obviously tickets are available
vi P one hundred dollars thirty five general

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mission. And they gets some big
artists or any Bross, Samantha Ray,

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Morgan, Johnson, Kevin Horne,
Matt Madiie, Nick cashy eighties or Lisa

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Smith, back Roads Country Southern City
Band. Now what do you want?

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Now? What do you get with
the VIP? Do you get a meet

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and greet? H probably on guessing
like the first a second row but probably

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uh probably didn't really say, but
I'm guessing you might be able to meet

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people, meet and greet backs on
undred dollars, you better meet somebody,

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That's what I say. I say
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and she's coming back to the goat
here in Chester Padio on Mondays see May

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twenty ninth and twenty six. It's
a free event. But don't forget to

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um uh oh yeah, I don't
forget the tip the waitress, waitress,

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don't forget to be a tip the
staff, and to be a donation jars,

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don't one of a couple of dolls
and and throw it into her her

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jar. And she's got a wat
of events coming up here, she wrote

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down sort of her Facebook page.
He's got more events coming up, but

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the spring is I mean summer and
fall to be announced. Uh. By

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the way, Yeah, she's gonna
be playing the previous event easy with the

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VIP thing Melanie and in the chat
room says I missed all that. Can

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can you repeat the event info?
The event info again? Yeah, yeah,

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May twentieth, May twenty If he
don't schools around here the front page,

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Oh yeah, at least she crawled
landsdown Boston as through his country fest

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starts at ten I'm stooping on at
one am. I sorry, one pm.

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Yeah, because take us over going, excuse me, take us our

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available April coursman dot com in the
VP's one hundred dollars and thirty five dollars

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is general mission. Um okay,
now she's asking, now, can you

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repeat that in a French accent?
I don't think so. Now. Oh

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fine, he's playing there at one
o'clock and as he's gonna drive back to

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uh the Manchester is he's gonna do
a double list today on May twenty,

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as he's playing the back room brewery
cisical I. That's a pre event.

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And this she's gonna be playing on
June fourth or five pm? Oh yeah,

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I'm sorry. Noontime quote crew always
say it's something yeah up in main

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crew that's where um probably Dion plays. I'm quick man. A gun quit?

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Say it a gun quit? Right? He's flying up there, you

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can say a gun quinn and right. And then she's flying on June fifth

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at a free event the country.
Oh sorry, Courtyard by Mariot and Conquered.

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I've been there before. A gun
quit? Come on, he's playing

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a six thirty? Are these They
busily restaurant tavern. Are these all in

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a gun quit? Monton Burrow?
Oh, Milton Borrow, that's not a

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gun quit. He's flying all over
the places. May twenty fifty's playing at

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Strafford, Massachusetts, five pm,
Independence in a free event. But don't

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forget to Tippy Waitress, isn't It
will be a donation jar at all these

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events. Yeah. In May twenty
six he's playing the Founder right here in

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Manchester at six pm event. He's
playing on May twenty seven, real busy

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Letty at four thirty. It's a
hoptic in Kentucky Cider Company. And then

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she's flying May twenty eighth at the
River Shop in Killington at noontime in Vermont.

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Ya gonna happen And uh yeah yeah, bo yays, we'll forget to

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check out her her new song,
a new song, um smoke, smoke

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and all the platforms. We played
that on the show recently. You did,

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I mean yeah, you did,
Yeah, I saw the lady is

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very busy. Katie dommins. He's
thirty dollars maya thirty, first and six

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thirty. The songwriters round up ten
or fifteen dollars per ticket and it's up

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in Meredith and oh yeah that coming
up this week's he's playing Maya Teas at

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five o'clock this Friday after work.
I mean interest Curier our gallium. Let's

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take it as a free event.
And as he's playing it said impro Visions

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jazz trio pianist Michael Are not w
and it took us at twenty five dollars.

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What's his name not Wit? Okay
Yo, Michael R not Wit?

406
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:51,400
What a fun name? Aar and
old w I t T. If my

407
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:56,200
name was not Wit, I'd be
I'd be saying things like I'm not with

408
00:29:56,799 --> 00:30:00,640
names outcome. Yeah, these names
are kind of confusing, right yes,

409
00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:06,640
oh yeah. And then's on new
music is coming from Katie Dommin's called Seasons

410
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,799
of Change. It's just going to
be mail on May twenty six, all

411
00:30:10,279 --> 00:30:12,640
platforms, and she's got four more
songs coming, like I said, just

412
00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:18,119
lady's busy. And and in May
nineties he's playing at the innspro calf and

413
00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:23,000
Ashland for sixty eight and obviously that
was a free event. Next one's twenties

414
00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:27,599
he's playing at six o'clock Sound Riders
Round up with Jackie Thurmian and Ali Brodrey.

415
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,799
Have you ever seen that lady dress
worth a ticket right there is ten

416
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,960
to fifteen dollars a ticket. Melanie
says, uh, you mentioned Killington earlier.

417
00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:42,799
Melanie says Killington, that's right by
me, but I'm not going since

418
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:48,119
you didn't say it in an Italian
accent. One boy, and then we'll

419
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,880
end up with my pal Amana McCarthy. Oh, she's your pa. I'm

420
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,920
working on a new album. He's
got the new music coming real soon.

421
00:30:56,839 --> 00:31:00,880
You just released hers on Spotify all
the platforms. Wrote another song by Smoking

422
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:06,920
Mirrors and Christine needs her. One
of her good pals is a Christiano the

423
00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:10,359
song. And then I only asked, you've been kind of coy about this,

424
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,640
but do you want anybody to vote
for the i SS Awards show?

425
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,720
And it's gonna be Atlanta, Georgia
on sadd the August feth But you won't

426
00:31:17,759 --> 00:31:22,240
say what She's the nominee for one
of her buddies, you know. Posted

427
00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:26,960
facebookers said, well, Amanda McCarthey
will be there too when the Uh yeah,

428
00:31:27,079 --> 00:31:30,680
we'll be there at the awards show. But she didn't say what she's

429
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,799
nominated for. Her friends nominate for
this, this and that. So does

430
00:31:34,839 --> 00:31:37,599
she have a new single. When
I find out more information, I'll let

431
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,440
anybody know. Is there is there
what she didn't announce it? But who

432
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:44,720
knows? Is there a new single
from her? Is that what you're saying?

433
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:49,359
No, she's a nominee for the
i SS Awards show. If you've

434
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,799
made to the Gold level, you
know, you make it to the you

435
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:57,119
know the maybe the owner called it
the gold the gold level and the other

436
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,279
one was silver. I guess it's
gonna be in Atlanta, Georgia and Staddy

437
00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:06,200
August. If she would nominate for
six different awards, but she don't telling

438
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:07,240
everybody what the awards are, I
guess I don't know why it was.

439
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,839
I don't know why. Once I
find out when she wins in August,

440
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,160
oh, let everybody know. I
think you need to start working your publicity

441
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,960
magic again. I think you need
to get in touch with her, and

442
00:32:20,119 --> 00:32:22,599
I think you need to say,
you know, I got in touch of

443
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,240
her, Amanda, her boyfriend,
her husband Tom. But you wouldn't say

444
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,680
it either. So I guess they're
keeping no news good news. Do you

445
00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:31,920
do you think they're keeping it a
secret from everyone or are they just keeping

446
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,319
it a secret from you? And
if they're just keeping it a secret from

447
00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:39,960
you. Are you bothered by that? No, because he hasn't posted on

448
00:32:40,079 --> 00:32:44,519
a Facebook page, So I'm assuming
if she knows, and Tom knows,

449
00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:47,440
I guess, and probably some friends
of hers. But she hasn't promoted on

450
00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:51,799
Facebook, so it's odd that she
wouldn't tell you. I mean, you're

451
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,880
responsible for a lot of her success. I like to think, I am.

452
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,079
I guess. M oh, yeah, we all do, we all

453
00:32:59,119 --> 00:33:02,160
do? We all think that?
So when I find out more information,

454
00:33:02,599 --> 00:33:07,160
I'll I'll let everybody know. But
right now I don't. I know.

455
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:09,720
She's probably nominated for something that a
friend says he was nominated for stuff.

456
00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:14,400
Our parent was being koy about it
too. Everyone's being TOOI like the fish.

457
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:21,519
Yeah. So anyways, that's the
and am I reported, And like

458
00:33:21,559 --> 00:33:24,240
I said, I'll be listening for
the song that I recorded place. Now,

459
00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:27,720
why did you uh so before we
let you go easy, G?

460
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,920
Why did you request this song?
We're gonna play it now as a capper

461
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,880
to your report. I always did
the uh. I always did the the

462
00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:38,759
uh, the the post notes,
so I thought I played one of our

463
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:43,599
all the songs. So the song
is jeep song by Katie Dobbins and does

464
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:49,079
this song have any special meaning for
you? Or uh oh no, I

465
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,119
like all the songs. Okay,
this is one I picked. He has

466
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:57,599
many songs out there, She does
have many She has many songs. Yes,

467
00:33:58,119 --> 00:34:00,720
there might be some and so it
might be something she's not even telling

468
00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:05,920
you about. Keeping secrets like a
man. I think Seasons of Change coming

469
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:12,840
up, Season the Radio two coming
up. We'll give it a world We'll

470
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,800
give it a world radio premiere.
Like you say, I don't want to

471
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,880
get permission to play songs. People
want you to play songs on the radio.

472
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:21,480
That tends to be the case.
Yes, people want you to play

473
00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:27,079
their songs on the permission. They
would love to write those songs. Yes,

474
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,440
that is that is true. That
is a fen from don't need permission.

475
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,280
Yes, that's right. All right, that's enough my gibber jabber.

476
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,159
We'll talk to you later on all
right, EASYG. Thank you. Well,

477
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:43,559
that's yes. That is the end
of Easyg's jibber jabber and another outstanding

478
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,039
entertainment report. I think we learned
a lot, but I still can't get

479
00:34:46,119 --> 00:34:49,719
him to say a gun quick.
So yeah, let's give this a listen.

480
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,400
So this is Jeep song by Katie
Dobbins. This is the song that

481
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:57,079
EASYG requested that we play at the
end of his report, and then we'll

482
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,119
we'll show them left to our amazing
sponsors, and then we'll come back and

483
00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:05,000
we'll get into into some stuff.
There's lots going on today, but here

484
00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:09,440
it is. This is jeepsong from
the great Katie Dobbins. Wm NH rips

485
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:15,840
the normals. Hey, welcome back
everybody. This is Matt Connerton Unleashed and

486
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:20,760
we are live from these studios of
w m n H ninety five point three

487
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,679
FM, Inglorious Downtown Manchester, New
Hampshire. Also on Comcast ninety seven if

488
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:29,079
you're in Manchester and hello to all
of our online listeners across the nation and

489
00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:31,280
around the globe. You can go
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490
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,519
all of your live streaming options,
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491
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:39,199
archives, etc. Et cetera.
It is Thursday May eighteen, twenty twenty

492
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,960
three, so nice to have you
all with me. The studio line is

493
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494
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h six zo seven. You can
also text me at six one seven nine

495
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one seven four four seven six.
I'm on social media at Matt Connerton.

496
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,679
You can email me Matt at matt
Connerton dot com and of course you can

497
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:04,039
interact into opine in the Facebook live
chat. But it looks like our friend

498
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:13,039
Shannon is on the line. Hello, Hello, Hello, huh said nothing?

499
00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:15,960
Um, what did you call me? I didn't call you anything.

500
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,119
I said, how are you in? Friend? Oh? I thought you

501
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,239
called me a bad name. Yes, what I thought you called me a

502
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,000
bad name? What's on your mind? Shannon? Okay, thank you?

503
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,599
I appreciate that. What's on your
mind? Um? Last week you had

504
00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:36,480
some guys in there. The only, the only, the only song I

505
00:36:36,519 --> 00:36:43,159
remember its Engine nine? Oh,
Engine nine? Do you remember? Was

506
00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:47,239
it this week? Yeah? I
remember a song called Engine nine. Uh?

507
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:52,960
That was Oh we were in the
studio with you. Yeah, I

508
00:36:53,039 --> 00:36:59,079
can't remember. I can't remember now
who the band was last week, last

509
00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:01,800
week, at the beginning of this
week, it was last week? Yeah,

510
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:07,360
it was probably last week, Engine
nine. Let's see who did we

511
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:14,920
have? H you said it ten
times? Was it Bees? No?

512
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,679
It wasn't Bees Deluxe? Was it? Oh? It was Frankie Boy and

513
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:29,400
the Blues Deluxe. It was Frankie
Blues Deluxe Lucid what whoa hey, that's

514
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,079
what I heard? What What did
you call me? What did you call

515
00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:37,599
me? How dare you Blues Deluxe? Blues Deluxe? Now now that time,

516
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,920
you really did you? You just
called me something terrible? How dare

517
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:45,480
you? Shannon? My god?
No, no, I say what I

518
00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:49,800
hear. I'm very Uh, I'm
very I'm really losing my hair here.

519
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,760
Huh. All right, okay,
So on time the title Frankie Boy and

520
00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:00,360
the Blues Deluxe. Oh no,
I'm sorry Blues Oh no, No,

521
00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:04,039
I'm wrong. I'm sorry, Shannon. I'm getting it wrong. It's Blues

522
00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:09,360
Express. I'm conflating that band with
Bees Deluxe, Frankie Boy and the Blues

523
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:14,039
Express. I apologize. So I
didn't even say it correctly to begin with.

524
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:20,079
So, so I apologize to you. I say to you hashtag Shannon,

525
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,760
okay, hashtag we say um.
The other thing is the day before

526
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:29,599
that, I believe it was you
played a song. I don't know if

527
00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:37,119
the band of this song was over
something Oberon, Oberon. They are from,

528
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:43,519
yes, from Italy? Yes?
Do you recall the name of that

529
00:38:43,639 --> 00:38:50,519
one? I don't song. No, I don't remember every question early,

530
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,920
Yes, I will do that for
you. Yes, I will. Okay,

531
00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:55,639
last time you said that you didn't
show up on that Monday, Oh

532
00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:05,440
my god, oh my god,
do you remember? No? Yeah,

533
00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:08,239
you you had something to do or
whatever, and and Friday because I didn't

534
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,760
expect you to play. Then I
said, you know, maybe Monday,

535
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,639
and that's when you had one of
your best of maybe. Uh maybe.

536
00:39:15,679 --> 00:39:19,880
I was afraid if I was here, you were going to call me terrible

537
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:25,079
names. No, I mean that
was funny. That didn't have to be

538
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,840
blueped out, did it? No? But I said, no, it's

539
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:35,320
fine, okay, because I've heard, I've I've heard worse on WMNH than

540
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:42,320
that frank Frankie Boy and the Blues
Express, the Blues Express. Yes,

541
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:49,239
yes, all right, all right, Shannon, how's Jenny. She's good?

542
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,320
Goody's said, Ohio, shoot up
to home safe. Yeah, yeah,

543
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,840
she's no, she's she's home,
she's in the chat room. She's

544
00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:00,519
home. She made it home safe
and she is a recuper It's been an

545
00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:04,559
intense couple of days, very busy
couple of days for her. I go

546
00:40:04,639 --> 00:40:07,000
into Washington, d C. But
she's back, she's all and uh,

547
00:40:07,639 --> 00:40:10,880
she feels good. She's just you
know she's a little tired obviously. Oh

548
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,239
yeah, yeah. But now if
I say barucash him, doesn't that mean

549
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:22,039
thank god? I have no idea
if varukas all that him? I like

550
00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:25,800
that song Volcano girls. Okay,
is that what you're saying? Lava lamp?

551
00:40:27,679 --> 00:40:30,840
Lava lamp. We used to have
one here. I don't know what

552
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,079
happened to it? Was it?
M M. I don't know where I

553
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,719
heard this. Never mind, it
doesn't matter, all right. I was

554
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:45,639
just picture I said lava lamp because
I heard something someone I don't even know

555
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,760
where. If your cat is all
with the petrol, if your cat is

556
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,360
looking at a lava lamp with shades
on, it's not because the cat namp

557
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:59,440
evidently does not um. I forget
what he said. What can actually does?

558
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:04,079
Okay? Um in it? Barrel
cats in the wild? H huh.

559
00:41:04,519 --> 00:41:09,679
We'll find it and chew it up
because it um. I want to

560
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:15,159
say, uh, not to flex, so to speak, but a word

561
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:20,360
similar to that. It repels things, bugs or something. H yeah,

562
00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:24,360
in the wild. Just you know, fun fact, okay, okay,

563
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:30,400
all right, Shannon, I appreciate
the call, call anytime. And evidently

564
00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:32,880
Eric didn't get my letter. Oh
he did him to get down to the

565
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:38,559
mail room. I think Bruce took
it. Huh, I think Bruce took

566
00:41:38,599 --> 00:41:44,159
his letter. Yeah. Well,
I'm sick of writing one way letters.

567
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,679
I'm sick of Bruce. Stop writing. I don't blame h all right,

568
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,800
okay, ally, Shannon, thank
you for the call. Ye take it

569
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,280
easy, by all right, by
bye. All right. That was our

570
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,199
friend Shannon, And that does open
up a line for you. Six z

571
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,960
three two five h six zero seven
six three two five zero six z seven.

572
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,119
Let's see, we'll say a load
everybody in the Facebook live chat.

573
00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:12,000
And then I do want to talk
about the debt limit. I know we

574
00:42:12,119 --> 00:42:15,119
talk about the debt limit a lot
these days, and some people are probably

575
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:19,679
a little tired of it. I'm
tired of I'm tired of worrying about it.

576
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:24,760
But uh, it is uh looming
large on the horizon. We're only

577
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:30,320
a couple of weeks away from June
one, which is when Janet Yellen said

578
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:37,320
we would plunge into economic catastrophe.
So hopefully we're able to avoid that.

579
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,320
But we'll get to that in a
moment. But I do want to say,

580
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,559
all load everybody in the Facebook live
chat, make sure we didn't miss

581
00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:46,880
anybody, so Melanie Liberty of course
in the chat room. Rondo Favero from

582
00:42:47,199 --> 00:42:51,679
the West Coast, California, Hello
Ronda. Jenny of course is in there

583
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:59,239
and says, shalom, peeps,
let's see. J Fed of course is

584
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,440
in the chat room. Hill Crystal, our friend from the Great State of

585
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:07,639
Illinois, joins us. Hello,
Crystal was asking did Bruce get a job

586
00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:09,079
at Subway? I don't know,
but for some reason, he has some

587
00:43:09,199 --> 00:43:15,639
sort of sway over my tomatoes.
I just wanted tomatoes, and Bruce Scott

588
00:43:15,679 --> 00:43:20,519
in the way as he always does. That guy Scott Robinson of course in

589
00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:23,760
the chat room. Hello Scott.
Oh, Scott didn't ask anything about the

590
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:30,039
hulkster this time, unless I missed
the comment during Easyg's entertainment report. Let's

591
00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:37,480
see, I thought I saw somebody
else pop in there too. Oh.

592
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,960
Yes, Dave Wally is in the
chat room. Dave, I know I

593
00:43:40,039 --> 00:43:43,599
have a Facebook message from you.
I will respond to you today, I

594
00:43:43,679 --> 00:43:46,679
promise. Dave Wally and I went
to high school together. Dave is a

595
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:52,679
very very talented musician, and the
last time I saw Dave. I think

596
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:57,159
the last time I saw Dave was
at when I was working at Strawberries on

597
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,360
loudon Road and conquered, and he
was in a band called october Sons,

598
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,679
and I set up an event where
they came and played for a We used

599
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,599
to do these CD release parties.
We did a release party for the new

600
00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:10,519
Pearl Jam album, if I remember
correctly, and October Suns came and played.

601
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,400
And also Dave used to make fun
of me in high school for being

602
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:22,000
a Kiss fan. And yes,
I do remember that, Dave. I

603
00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:25,960
remember those conversations. No, I'm
just kidding. I will respond you though,

604
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,760
sir, And it's wonderful to hear
from you now. Dave's a great

605
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:36,960
guy and again a very talented,
very talented musician. Um, let's see.

606
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:42,519
Oh Mariam Banish too, she's in
the chat room. Hello Miriam.

607
00:44:43,159 --> 00:44:46,000
Um, all right, so we
should get to the debt limit because I've

608
00:44:46,039 --> 00:44:51,199
been mentioning this Lawrence Tribe article.
Let me give the studio line one more

609
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,079
time six three two five six seven
six O three two five six seven.

610
00:44:55,360 --> 00:45:00,320
So the reason I've been mentioning,
Dave says, uh, I don't think

611
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,400
Jean is a rotten human. Gene
Simmons. He calls the show occasionally Jean

612
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,760
Simmons of kiss it's a little inside. But if you know, you know,

613
00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:15,320
all right. So, a former
Trump advisor, Laurence Tribe, who

614
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,559
is a constitutional scholar, has been
advocating for using the fourteenth Amendment. And

615
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:27,360
as we careen down the road at
which the end of the road is a

616
00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:30,000
cliff, the fiscal cliff, which
we're about to go over a Thelma and

617
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:37,360
Louise style, if the debt limit, this artificially self imposed self destruct mechanism,

618
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,599
if the debt limit does not get
raised on time. And by the

619
00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:45,679
way, the debt limit, we've
actually already passed it a while ago.

620
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:50,320
But then there's an I guess there's
enough money left over where the Treasury can

621
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:55,039
resort to what is called extraordinary measures. And around June first, those extraordinary

622
00:45:55,159 --> 00:46:00,400
measures will be exhausted, and that's
when the country goes into default for the

623
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:05,719
first time in American history, and
that will trigger a global economic collapse,

624
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,280
and uh, it will be the
end of the global economy as we know

625
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:14,480
it. Exciting stuff, is it
not? Would be fascinating to see it

626
00:46:14,519 --> 00:46:16,079
all play out, But like I
said the other day, it's like a

627
00:46:16,159 --> 00:46:20,639
disaster movie. Yeah, it'd be
interesting, but you still don't want to

628
00:46:21,039 --> 00:46:24,039
you don't want it to actually happen, So hopefully we can avoid it.

629
00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:29,079
I'm a little bit more optimistic than
I was the other day. I think

630
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:30,280
I had said on the show recently, not to be a downer, but

631
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,079
I think i'd said something to the
effective. I think our we've arrived at

632
00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:37,400
a point where our politics in this
country is so polarized and so broken that

633
00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:45,119
we might actually willful, willfully destroy
America economically because the there's a degree of

634
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:53,000
you know, the polarization, and
there's a degree of incompetence in our government

635
00:46:53,079 --> 00:46:57,719
that and you know, self interest
in all of it. Of course,

636
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:02,079
that where we may have reached a
where it's almost impossible to avoid and there's

637
00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:08,519
plenty of blame to go around,
you know. Again, I say Biden

638
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:15,440
in my view, and the Democrats
are correct in principle, in principle when

639
00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:21,840
they say that the House, the
Republican controlled House, although barely that's why

640
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,519
George Santos is still around, but
the Republican controlled House should vote on a

641
00:47:25,679 --> 00:47:30,679
clean to pass a clean a debt
limit bill and not have anything attached to

642
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,840
it. I think they're correct in
principle, but not in practice, because

643
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:40,400
in practice you have to negotiate because
otherwise we might actually go over that cliff.

644
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,039
So, you know, I mean, I blame. Like I said,

645
00:47:45,079 --> 00:47:47,480
there's plenty of blame on both sides. As far as I'm concerned,

646
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:55,039
I blame the Republicans for being willing
to hold us all hostage with a gun

647
00:47:55,119 --> 00:48:00,840
to our heads metaphorically speaking of course
in terms of the economy with because there

648
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,519
are some in the House, there
are summer House Republicans who actually wanted a

649
00:48:04,559 --> 00:48:06,719
fault, who think it would be
a good idea. And by the way,

650
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:07,960
Trump in the CNN town hall,
he said, yeah, you know,

651
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,719
it'll be fine, probably should default. You know, we'll have a

652
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,760
bad day, we'll have a bad
week. What's a big deal, right,

653
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:19,039
It's like, whoa, okay,
dude, that's completely insane. But

654
00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:25,639
I also blame the Democrats because they
had opportunities when they were still in control

655
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:31,079
to do something proactive and preemptive on
this and actually raise the debt limit then

656
00:48:31,519 --> 00:48:36,280
when the Democrats were in control,
and do something long term so that this

657
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:43,000
wouldn't be happening now, you know, through things like the Inflation Reduction Act,

658
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:46,719
there's all this new spending, and
to have voted on all this new

659
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,840
spending, and you know, a
lot of it I agree with, has

660
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,400
to be done. It's difficult to
argue against infrastructure, but to vote on

661
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,760
all this new spending and then somehow
it never occurs to anybody. Hey,

662
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:04,880
when the Republicans are in control,
you know, they're not going to necessarily

663
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,920
be willing to pay for all this
new spending that we have voted on in

664
00:49:07,039 --> 00:49:12,719
past, So you know, and
I get it. I mean, there

665
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,159
probably were discussions about it, and
probably somebody said, well, you know,

666
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:20,239
we could deal with the debt limit
now too, But then we've got

667
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:25,400
to we've got to talk Joe Mansion
and Kirsten Cinema talk them into cooperating.

668
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:30,679
And that's hard. So, you
know, so does just doesn't get done.

669
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:36,440
And now we're in this position now. Lawrence Tribe, a former Biden

670
00:49:36,519 --> 00:49:42,000
advisor, and I learned this from
Sam Cedar's show on YouTube. The Majority

671
00:49:42,039 --> 00:49:46,840
report that Lawrence Tribe has been advocating
for Biden to use the fourteenth Amendment,

672
00:49:47,199 --> 00:49:50,360
which we've again, we've talked about
it a lot on the show. It's

673
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,360
never been done, never been tried. There are risks could be challenged in

674
00:49:54,519 --> 00:49:59,880
court. Is it actually constitutional?
It could trigger a constitutional crisis. The

675
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:04,239
fourteenth Amendment, it's not clear.
You know. Basically it says that the

676
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:09,800
country's debts will not be questioned,
but that doesn't necessarily mean, you know,

677
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:16,760
I wish the language was more clear. You know, our debts shall

678
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:22,440
not be questioned. Could be interpreted
simply as nothing more than yeah, we

679
00:50:22,679 --> 00:50:27,679
acknowledge that we racked up this debt, and no one's questioning that. We're

680
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,719
just questioning whether we're actually going to
pay it or not, or whether we're

681
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,400
going to default. You could interpret
it that way, or you could interpret

682
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:38,039
it as as some do, as
Laurence Tribe apparently is interpreting it and is

683
00:50:38,159 --> 00:50:44,559
confident in his interpretation that it means
the country simply cannot default. Our debt

684
00:50:44,639 --> 00:50:49,159
cannot be questioned, means that we
pay our We're going to pay that debt,

685
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,280
and if that means raising the debt
limit, then the president can himself

686
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:57,559
unilaterally declare, invoke the fourteenth Amendment
and declare that we're raising the debt limit

687
00:50:57,599 --> 00:51:00,079
and we will continue to borrow money
to pay that debt. Now, what's

688
00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:06,559
particularly interesting though about Lawrence tribe's take
is it's different than it used to be.

689
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:12,840
In twenty eleven when we went through
this during the Biden administration, and

690
00:51:13,039 --> 00:51:16,320
that was the first time that I
ever really started learning about the debt limit.

691
00:51:16,599 --> 00:51:21,039
I didn't really know that because prior
to that, for the most part,

692
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:23,360
it had been a perfunctory thing anyway, regardless of who was president,

693
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:27,400
regardless of who was in power,
who had control. You just want it's

694
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,679
time to raise a debt limit.
You raise the debt limit because you can't,

695
00:51:30,119 --> 00:51:35,119
you know, default, that's unacceptable. But twenty eleven was really the

696
00:51:35,199 --> 00:51:37,840
first time that I think it was
John Bayner. It was either John Bayner

697
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,840
or Mitch McConnell, one of them. I forget to which one of these

698
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:47,199
guys to attribute this quote. But
then one of them said it, and

699
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:52,119
the other one agreed with it and
said, let's go with that that the

700
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,280
debt limit might very well be a
hostage worth taking, you know, in

701
00:51:55,440 --> 00:52:01,800
terms of trying to negotiate a budget. So that's when this became a thing.

702
00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:07,920
Prior to that, again, it
had been relatively perfunctory and it just

703
00:52:07,159 --> 00:52:12,280
was something you do. So now
it's a thing. But twenty eleven was

704
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,239
really the first time it became a
thing. And I remember vividly in twenty

705
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:21,960
eleven, not necessarily coincidentally, when
I first started this show, because this

706
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:27,199
was my show was originally a podcast
when I first started it, and then

707
00:52:27,199 --> 00:52:30,639
of course as of April, I've
been here at WMNH for six years.

708
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,239
But before I did the show on
radio, I was doing just streaming a

709
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,760
podcast, and that was, you
know, one of the first big issues

710
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,519
we were tackling on the podcast was
the debt limit at that time in the

711
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:45,559
summer of twenty eleven, and I
remember being very concerned, and at that

712
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:51,639
time Lawrence Tribe said, no,
you cannot use the fourteenth Amendment. So

713
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,880
what I want to do is I
want to look at what Lawrence Tribe is

714
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,760
saying now versus what he was saying
then, and I want to try to

715
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,440
figure out what's changed, and it
made that the only thing that's really changed

716
00:53:01,639 --> 00:53:09,880
is just the sense of desperation because
obviously we have to get this done.

717
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,679
Oh, our friend Ron is on
the line. We haven't heard from Ron

718
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:21,119
lately. Hey, Ron, how
you doing Ron? Did you pocket dial

719
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,760
us? I met very good,
Thank you. I'll only take a second

720
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:30,519
adio time Matt, when did we
begin to occur this debt? And what

721
00:53:31,039 --> 00:53:37,599
what was the cause of this debt? Oh, we've always we've been accruing

722
00:53:37,639 --> 00:53:43,599
debt. I mean, I don't
know when we started running. If you're

723
00:53:43,639 --> 00:53:49,239
asking, when did we start running
deficits? At least as long as you

724
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,679
or I have been alive. I'm
sure you know, because the deficit,

725
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,440
there's always been some sort of debt. It's never it's never been a you

726
00:53:55,480 --> 00:54:00,239
know, a presidential term when we
didn't have a debt. Um, let

727
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:06,800
me see, actually, when did
United States? I can find out exactly

728
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:14,039
when did you United States start running
a deficit? Like I said, I

729
00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:16,440
think at least for as long as
you or I have been alive. Um,

730
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,719
all right, but let let me
let me see here. Though I

731
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:24,760
can find the answer quickly, I
can probably find um because I am sorry

732
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,679
for interrupting you. No, that's
okay, it's act. It's a good

733
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,159
question. Now, this says since
two thousand and one, but that's not

734
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:42,920
true. What the hell? What
is that? Um? This Investipedia says,

735
00:54:43,159 --> 00:54:50,440
uh, since nineteen seventy, so
starting in nineteen seventy, but I

736
00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:58,000
actually would have thought it would have
been even before that. Um, but

737
00:54:58,119 --> 00:55:01,000
that's not reason though what um,
you know, was it a war?

738
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,639
Was it? Uh? I don't
know, you know what I mean,

739
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,360
I could guess, but I mean
i'd like to know the reason where they

740
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:13,679
said, okay, let's just borrow
was an interest rates in? I don't

741
00:55:13,679 --> 00:55:17,639
know. Oh, Dave Wally in
the chat room says he's seen nineteen fifty

742
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:23,079
seven. Interesting. Okay, yeah, this is a thank you Dave Wally.

743
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:30,199
Yes, yes, yeah, um, and it's uh, it's not

744
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:36,639
just us, by the way,
So the most um, most modern industrialized

745
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,559
nations run a run a deficit,
well run run up debt, you know,

746
00:55:40,679 --> 00:55:44,559
deficit of course, the shortfall in
the budget, and then the debt

747
00:55:44,639 --> 00:55:47,679
just constantly accumulates. You know,
We've had times when when we've actually,

748
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,400
um not had a deficit. So
for example, during the Clinton administration,

749
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:58,719
we actually ran a surplus. But
but that only means we didn't we weren't

750
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:02,519
running a deficit at one point point. But but the debt of course is

751
00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:07,320
constantly increasing. Okay, So according
to Dave Wally, so we started running

752
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:12,639
a deficit in fifty seven, but
it's increased. Uh, it's been on

753
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:17,360
the U been gone up since nineteen
eighty one. Oh, Joe Lar is

754
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:21,079
in the chat room too. He
says, I found this. Over the

755
00:56:21,199 --> 00:56:25,840
past one hundred years, the US
federal debt has increased from four hundred eight

756
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:32,480
billion billion with a B in nineteen
twenty two to thirty point ninety three trillion

757
00:56:34,199 --> 00:56:37,639
that's with a T in twenty twenty
two. Yeah, so it's out of

758
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:42,760
control, and uh, it just
keeps going. Well, thank you for

759
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,840
your other listeners, because you know, it's something I don't understand, but

760
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,440
I try to. Yeah, I
mean, it's it's confusing to meet,

761
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,679
you know, for someone who's not
good at math. I get confused by

762
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,119
it all too. That's why I
don't. I don't personally really get into

763
00:56:55,199 --> 00:57:00,159
that part of it because as someone
who struggles with math, I can get

764
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:04,400
in over my head pretty quickly.
But but the numbers are astonishing, you

765
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,280
know, like like when you look
at that, like what Joe Lar posted,

766
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,760
you look at those numbers and it's
it's it's impossible to even contemplate that

767
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:15,159
much money and all the zeros.
I don't even know how many zeros are

768
00:57:15,199 --> 00:57:16,039
on a trillion off the top of
my head, I don't even know.

769
00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:22,519
But um, yeah, and it
is. You know, there are different

770
00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:28,480
theories run about whether it matters or
not. So, for example, more

771
00:57:28,599 --> 00:57:31,199
conservative economists, suppli side economists,
you know, will tell you that,

772
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:36,159
look, we we can't you know, we gotta pay this down or eventually

773
00:57:36,239 --> 00:57:40,000
it's gonna all just collapse. It's
a Ponzi scheme. More liberal minded economists

774
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:44,280
Kenzie and economists, for example,
will tell you it really doesn't matter.

775
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,760
You just print more money, it's
no big deal. Although there are some

776
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,679
on the left like Jank Huger of
the Young Turks who says, no,

777
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,679
actually, this is all going to
collapse eventually. It's all going to fall

778
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:58,480
in on itself, not just in
the United States but globally. It's just

779
00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:00,440
a matter of when, hopefully not
in our lifetimes. So there's a lot

780
00:58:00,519 --> 00:58:07,199
of different theories about how much the
debt itself actually matters. But it's you

781
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:13,679
know, it's all theory. Economics
is theory. All right, Wow,

782
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:19,239
okay, all right, Ron,
thank you for thank you for I called

783
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,239
my friend all right, by bye? All right, that was nice.

784
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,159
We haven't we haven't heard from Ron
in a while. That was good to

785
00:58:23,199 --> 00:58:25,840
hear from him. That does open
up the line for you. Six Zo

786
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:32,360
three two five six seven six three
two five six z seven. Now,

787
00:58:32,679 --> 00:58:37,079
so let's look at this. This
is from Politico. So former Biden advisor

788
00:58:37,159 --> 00:58:42,440
Lawrence Tribe says, just used the
fourteenth Amendment. The longtime constitutional scholar said

789
00:58:42,519 --> 00:58:46,960
Biden's fear that it will be caught
in the courts was misplaced. We got

790
00:58:47,039 --> 00:58:53,519
into this a little bit the other
day. Um, but we'll we'll explore

791
00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:59,320
this further. You know. Well, actually I think it was yesterday on

792
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,440
the show. Sorry the days all
run together, I think it was yesterday.

793
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:08,599
I was talking about how you most
people who are opposed to the idea

794
00:59:08,719 --> 00:59:12,159
seem to be very worried that it
would get caught up in the courts,

795
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,360
and the Supreme Court ultimately would rule
that you can't use the fourteenth Amendment,

796
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,960
that the president doesn't have that power, you know, and you'd have a

797
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,039
scenario where, you know, obviously
we have the three branches of government,

798
00:59:22,079 --> 00:59:27,400
so you'd have a scenario where the
executive branch decides to do something that the

799
00:59:27,559 --> 00:59:30,440
legislative branch objects to and then takes
it to the judicial branch, who then

800
00:59:30,519 --> 00:59:37,000
says no, the executive branch can't
do that, thus creating a potential constitutional

801
00:59:37,079 --> 00:59:43,599
crisis. But the thing is,
you know, in order for someone to

802
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,360
bring that case, I have to
have standing, which means and again I'm

803
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:51,480
not a legal expert or legal scholar
of any kind, but as I understand,

804
00:59:51,519 --> 00:59:54,800
it's standing meaning you have to be
able to show that you are an

805
00:59:54,840 --> 01:00:00,039
aggrieved or a harmed party in order
to bring that suit. But I suppose

806
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,719
if the legislative branch were to say, well, we've been harmed, it

807
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,840
would be well, you've done something. You've the executive branch has done something

808
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:15,719
unilaterally that they can't do because the
legislative branch controls the wallet, the bank,

809
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:21,360
the purse strings, if you will. It's kind of like, just

810
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:25,159
as a quick example, some of
you might remember, although some of you

811
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:30,320
might not remember this because it came
and went very quickly, this particular thing.

812
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,440
But during the Trump administration, toward
the end, it was post election,

813
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:40,800
you know, Congress was they were
going to send out another round of

814
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:45,360
checks, and uh, I don't
even what did they end up being three

815
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:49,559
hundred dollars or something? Oh no, I think they ended up being more,

816
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,400
but they were I think what they
had settled on was three hundred and

817
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,280
Trump you know, he was still
president at that time. He said,

818
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:59,960
that's an insult. You know,
we're going to send Americans only three hundred

819
01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:01,920
dollars while this is dragging on.
We going to send them more, which

820
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:08,079
he was right about. But it
was like I remember at the time saying,

821
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:12,880
okay, so Trump's right in one
sense, Yes, that is an

822
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:16,320
insult. Wow, three hundred dollars. Thanks, that's you know, you

823
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:20,559
only help out a struggling family who's
you know, they're trying to pay their

824
01:01:20,599 --> 01:01:22,239
rent or their mortgage. You can
only help him so much with, you

825
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:27,800
know, three hundred bucks. So
Trump was right in that sense, But

826
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,920
on the other hand, it was
like, hey, dude, probably should

827
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:37,519
have said something sooner because Trump wasn't
than no one from his administration was engaging

828
01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:39,360
in any of it. They were
just waiting for Congress to decide what they

829
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,880
were going to do. And then
Trump says, oh, no, I

830
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,800
don't like that. But what happened
was so Trump then announces one day,

831
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:52,639
just it kind of came out of
nowhere. Trump announces I think he had

832
01:01:52,679 --> 01:01:57,360
a press conference, or maybe it
was just that he just did it in

833
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:01,039
the Oval office, I don't remember, but he announces that he signed.

834
01:02:01,079 --> 01:02:07,079
He's signing an executive order for six
hundred dollars checks or nine hundred dollars checks,

835
01:02:07,159 --> 01:02:08,360
whatever it was. And he was
doing this by executive order, and

836
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:15,679
he was ordering the Treasury to do
this, and at the time, everybody

837
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:21,119
was kind of like, well,
wait a minute. The president can't just

838
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:27,800
the executive branch, who does not
control the money, can't just order the

839
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:31,559
treasury to start sending out checks.
That doesn't work. And the reason I

840
01:02:31,679 --> 01:02:38,719
said that that particular instance came and
went quickly is because Trump made the announcement

841
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:44,400
and then just nothing happened. But
ultimately Congress did end up sending up another

842
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,880
round of payments anyway, But the
point is, or the Treasury sent them

843
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:50,079
out, I should say, but
Congress had to authorize it. But the

844
01:02:50,159 --> 01:02:54,039
point is, you know, when
it comes to the money, the power

845
01:02:54,119 --> 01:02:57,599
of the executive branch is really limited. And of course, you know,

846
01:02:57,679 --> 01:03:01,079
a president can do many things by
executive order, many of them are questionable.

847
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,800
And of course when it comes to
executive orders, everyone looks at that

848
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,599
through a partisan lens anyway, right, you know, when you have a

849
01:03:07,679 --> 01:03:13,480
Republican president, only Democrats get mad
about the executive orders. Republicans are fine

850
01:03:13,519 --> 01:03:15,599
with it. And of course he
in verse is also true when you have

851
01:03:15,679 --> 01:03:19,639
a Democrat in the White House.
Only Republicans have a problem with executive orders

852
01:03:19,679 --> 01:03:25,119
and democrats are fine with it.
So but if this see, we're an

853
01:03:25,199 --> 01:03:30,679
uncharted territory if Biden chooses this path, and that's what's a little scary about

854
01:03:30,719 --> 01:03:37,559
it. We're an uncharted territory because
if he chooses this path, does that

855
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:45,880
mean the Treasury then says, okay, the executive branches said he's invoking the

856
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:52,320
fourteenth Amendment. So I guess we
just proceed as normal. You know what

857
01:03:52,519 --> 01:03:59,119
happens. Then again, because this
has never been tried, and we did

858
01:03:59,199 --> 01:04:01,519
talk about it, I think it
was last week on the show. We

859
01:04:01,679 --> 01:04:09,880
talked about how the Obama administration did
look at this and they were advised by

860
01:04:10,079 --> 01:04:14,559
they look at the fourteenth Amendment in
twenty eleven and again I think in twenty

861
01:04:14,639 --> 01:04:16,639
thirteen, because it came up again
in twenty thirteen, but we weren't as

862
01:04:17,199 --> 01:04:23,199
close to calamity as we were in
twenty eleven. And then the Department of

863
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:28,880
Justice actually said you probably shouldn't do
that, and we don't know why,

864
01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:31,599
or a Department within the Department of
Justice, the OLC. I think it's

865
01:04:31,639 --> 01:04:36,840
called I forget what that stands for. But they said they advised the administration,

866
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:42,599
no, don't use this option.
We advise against it. But to

867
01:04:42,719 --> 01:04:49,800
this day, no one knows.
No one outside knows why the OLC told

868
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:58,159
the administration don't use this option because
apparently it's top secret. I mean it

869
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:01,039
might it might be some where on
a document at mar Lago or something,

870
01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:05,360
but for whatever reason, they don't
want the public to know why. They

871
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:10,760
told the administration what the reasoning was. Because if you do a Freedom of

872
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:15,400
Information Act request to try to get
that information, it gets denied. So

873
01:05:15,559 --> 01:05:20,519
nobody knows. I mean they know, but nobody else knows. So this

874
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:28,599
is interesting. So I'm very fascinated
by this fourteenth Amendment possibility. Here that

875
01:05:28,719 --> 01:05:30,960
was a very long wind up.
Let's get to what Lawrence Stribe has to

876
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,760
say about it. So it says
here again, this is from Politico.

877
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:40,239
President Joe Biden made waves Tuesday when
he acknowledged he was considering using the fourteenth

878
01:05:40,239 --> 01:05:44,480
Amendment to end the debt standoff,
before saying he feared it would get caught

879
01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:48,440
up in courts. On Wednesday,
the politically active constitutional scholar who warned Biden

880
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:54,440
I'm sorry, who warmed Biden to
the idea, called the president's concerns misplaced.

881
01:05:55,039 --> 01:05:59,039
Harvard professor Lawrence Stribe said, quote, I don't think there is any

882
01:05:59,119 --> 01:06:02,639
litigation to fear, unquote, adding
that he hopes Biden realizes a court challenge

883
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,960
is not something to worry about.
Now, this is a part I'm particularly

884
01:06:06,039 --> 01:06:10,559
interested in. So he's arguing Biden
can do this and there's no issue.

885
01:06:10,599 --> 01:06:15,000
Don't worry about it. It'll be
fine, okay. Tribes response to Biden

886
01:06:15,119 --> 01:06:19,159
represents his latest effort to try to
persuade the president to utilize novel legal arguments

887
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:26,199
as a way through the increasingly thorny
debt ceiling standoff. Tribes push for the

888
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:30,000
fourteenth Amendment first got on Biden's radar
visa v a May seven New York Times

889
01:06:30,039 --> 01:06:35,639
op ed in which he set the
debt ceiling must be ignored in order for

890
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:42,800
the president to execute other laws enacted
by Congress. And by the way,

891
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:48,039
again, and we've discussed this too, those who advocate using the fourteenth amendments

892
01:06:48,039 --> 01:06:54,800
say that not only they argue that, not only does the executive have the

893
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:59,840
authority to do that, to invoke
the amendment, but that that amendment makes

894
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:04,719
the debt ceiling itself, the statute
that creates the debt ceiling unconstitutional, so

895
01:07:05,199 --> 01:07:10,599
that statute shouldn't exist to begin with. It directly violates the Constitution. Again,

896
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:15,360
there's a lot of argument around that, but but it is very interesting,

897
01:07:15,639 --> 01:07:19,760
it says here Biden expressed openness to
the argument at a press conference on

898
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:25,840
Tuesday. I think the openness that
he's publicly expressed has been pretty tepid.

899
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:29,480
I wouldn't I don't know how.
I don't know if. I don't know

900
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:33,760
if I would call it expressing openness. He kind of from what I've seen.

901
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:35,760
If you ask him about it,
he kind of shrugs and says,

902
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:40,679
well, you know, maybe I
don't. I don't think so anyway,

903
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:45,239
So, but it says he largely
rejected the idea of pursuing the option in

904
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:50,400
the context of the current standoff.
He noted that because the use of the

905
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:56,400
Fourteenth Amendment would be challenged in court, it would spark similar questions around default

906
01:07:56,519 --> 01:08:00,480
and potentially market chaos. He added
that he was looking at the idea after

907
01:08:00,519 --> 01:08:04,880
the current standoff is resolved. Biden
said, quote when we get by this,

908
01:08:05,159 --> 01:08:09,039
I'm thinking about taking a look at
it, unquote. So it sounds

909
01:08:09,079 --> 01:08:12,639
like I assume by that he means, and I didn't realize by the way

910
01:08:12,679 --> 01:08:15,680
he had said that that particular statement
had gotten by me. But that is

911
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:19,039
significant when he said, when we
get by this, I'm thinking about taking

912
01:08:19,079 --> 01:08:24,479
a look at it. So it
sounds like he's saying, there, if

913
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:27,520
we get this resolved, to get
the debt limit raised, everything's fine,

914
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:33,600
everything's good. He will then look
at is he saying he'll try to invoke

915
01:08:34,079 --> 01:08:38,279
or look at the possibility of invoking
the fourteenth Amendment after the debt limit has

916
01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:44,159
already been raised, invoking the fourteenth
Amendment as a way of doing a way

917
01:08:44,199 --> 01:08:45,880
with the statute. Is that what
he means. I'm not sure if that's

918
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:51,079
what he means. Tribe, in
an interview said that House Republicans who have

919
01:08:51,199 --> 01:08:57,119
hinted they would challenge the president's use
of the Fourteenth can't sue the president for

920
01:08:57,239 --> 01:09:01,039
not violating the Constitution. He anticipated
the Supreme Court would reject such a case.

921
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,399
That seems like a sound argument.
Actually, So in other words,

922
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:09,039
he's saying, well, if the
fourteenth Amendment is unconstitutional, so you have

923
01:09:09,199 --> 01:09:12,520
to accept that premise, though,
in order to get to what he's saying,

924
01:09:13,079 --> 01:09:18,399
you have to accept the premise that
the that the debt's limit itself is

925
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:27,319
unconstitutional directly violates the fourteenth. So
if you accept the premise, then you

926
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:32,479
can't challenge it in court. It
can't be challenged because you can't sue the

927
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:40,119
executive branch for refusing to violate the
Constitution. So that's that's an interesting take,

928
01:09:40,239 --> 01:09:42,880
if I understand it correctly, that
seems to be what he's saying here.

929
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:48,039
Tribe said, quote, even bending
their standing doctrine. I don't know

930
01:09:48,239 --> 01:09:55,039
how they or how anyone could find
somebody withstanding to sue the President and the

931
01:09:55,920 --> 01:10:00,760
Secretary of the Treasury for spending the
money that Congress has said they're supposed to

932
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:05,439
spend. What would a court tell
them not to spend the money on?

933
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:13,520
Unquote? Biden on Tuesday called Tribe
quote a man I have enormous respect for

934
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:17,479
unquote, and someone who advised him
for a long time. Tribe declined to

935
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:21,039
say whether he is speaking with the
White House about the fourteenth Amendment concept.

936
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:28,840
The basis of Tribe's argument is that
Congress can't issue laws requiring the executive to

937
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:32,960
spend money and create debt and then
also demand a separate dollar limit on that

938
01:10:33,199 --> 01:10:45,119
spending. Interesting. Now, that's
an interesting argument again, because if yeah,

939
01:10:46,119 --> 01:10:51,079
it makes sense put it. Putting
it that way, it makes sense.

940
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:59,560
Right. You can't say we're going
to spend this money, but we're

941
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:04,600
not going to spend this money that
we've already legally committed to spending. I

942
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:09,239
guess that's the argument that I've been
making anyway. But that just puts a

943
01:11:09,359 --> 01:11:16,560
little differently the idea of using the
fourteenth Amendment, which says the nation's debts

944
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:20,560
shall not be questioned. That's the
exact wording of the amendment, shall not

945
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:26,840
be questioned. To continue making payments
on spending approved by Congress is garnered increased

946
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:33,119
interest as a nation tips closer to
default. That could intensify if and when

947
01:11:33,399 --> 01:11:38,760
the current standoff ends, as White
House officials have made clear that Biden is

948
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:44,720
serious about exploring it as a means
to prevent another's spin around the nation's fiscal

949
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,039
drain in the future. Now,
let me stop there for a moment.

950
01:11:47,079 --> 01:11:50,760
See that goes back though, to
me, that goes back to what I

951
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:57,199
was saying before about how there's no
excuse for the Democrats not to have seen

952
01:11:57,279 --> 01:12:00,239
this coming and to have already dealt
with it when they had control. Role.

953
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:04,840
In other words, getting rid of
the damned debt limit to begin with,

954
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:09,680
and then you don't need to worry
about using the fourteenth to ignore it

955
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:14,119
in the future. Just get rid
of it. Say it's unconstitutional, this

956
01:12:14,359 --> 01:12:17,000
is unconstitutional, and we're going to
get rid of it, and that's it.

957
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,680
I mean, I understand it wouldn't
be that simple. Again, you've

958
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:25,960
got to convince Joe Mansion to go
along with it. But that's what they

959
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:30,840
should have done. So Tribe says, quote, the debt limit does not

960
01:12:30,039 --> 01:12:35,119
limit debt. It has no positive
function whatsoever. It's simply a formula for

961
01:12:35,319 --> 01:12:41,560
periodic crises. Unquote. I fully
agree. Democrats on Capitol Hill are warm

962
01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:45,479
to the idea, but have been
skeptical of embracing the escape hatch out of

963
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:51,359
similar concern about a certain court challenge. Senator Dick Durban, Democrat of Illinois,

964
01:12:51,399 --> 01:12:55,439
the Democratic whip said, quote,
I personally feel that we should test

965
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:59,159
it, but we can't afford to
go into a lastment at court battle with

966
01:12:59,279 --> 01:13:03,039
the June one deadline. Unquote,
Yeah, exactly. You don't want to.

967
01:13:03,359 --> 01:13:10,560
Uh. Look, I mean the
reality is you don't want any kind

968
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:17,000
of uncertainty. So even if even
if you firmly believe that this is an

969
01:13:17,079 --> 01:13:25,439
option that would work and it would
actually go very smoothly and all the doubters

970
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:30,439
are all worried about nothing, you
still you have to realize you have to

971
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:38,880
remember. And it's a bitter pill
to swallow. But even if we avoid

972
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:45,560
economic catastrophe by not raising the debt
limit on June first, we're already the

973
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:55,039
the American economy is already being damaged
by the uncertainty of it all. You

974
01:13:55,600 --> 01:14:01,199
Uh, there's there's an analysis.
I might pull it up. We're gonna

975
01:14:01,199 --> 01:14:03,079
we're gonna take a break in a
moment, and then we'll come back with

976
01:14:03,199 --> 01:14:06,560
our our final segment. But and
we're going to continue on this subject because

977
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:10,399
I want to look at I want
to look more at what Lawrence Tribe says

978
01:14:10,399 --> 01:14:12,359
about this, and I want to
contrast it with what he said in the

979
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:19,560
past. But there was an article
that I found which um looks at some

980
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:26,520
of how we've probably already damaged the
economy because this is see in twenty eleven,

981
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:29,239
for example, And again that's the
first instance of this really coming up

982
01:14:29,279 --> 01:14:32,279
where I was paying close attention to
it. What ended up happening. We

983
01:14:32,319 --> 01:14:36,720
didn't default, of course, but
we got close enough where our bond rating

984
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:43,399
was lowered and it did do damage. You know, even flirting with default

985
01:14:44,359 --> 01:14:49,399
damages the economy. So just like, just like every time there's a government

986
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:54,520
shutdown, Now, that's not as
big of a deal because a government shutdown

987
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:59,600
is not default. A government shutdown
is terrible though, because it damages the

988
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:03,720
ECONO it significantly does. It costs
the economy a lot of money. Every

989
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:08,680
time there's a government shutdown, people
will become desensitized to it because it's been

990
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:12,760
so many of them. And that's
why a lot of people too. Polly

991
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,520
data shows most Americans aren't even worried
about this. And the only reason I

992
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:18,720
know this for a fact, the
only reason most Americans aren't worried about the

993
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:28,479
debt limit is because they become desensitized. And people think that because they don't

994
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:30,960
know it's not the same as a
government shutdown. They think, oh,

995
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:33,119
this is just another government shutdown.
Whatever. My last a day might last

996
01:15:33,199 --> 01:15:36,079
a week, might last a month
there, but you know, those state

997
01:15:36,119 --> 01:15:42,079
parks will reopen and everything will go
on. It'll be fine. They don't

998
01:15:42,119 --> 01:15:45,680
know. They don't know. It
will not be fine. If this happens,

999
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:55,119
it will be far from fine,
Crystal says in the chat room.

1000
01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:00,239
Do they ever legislate a goal on
how to lessen the debt by paying parts

1001
01:16:00,279 --> 01:16:04,039
of it off by a certain percentage
per year or anything. I remember when

1002
01:16:04,119 --> 01:16:08,600
Clinton was in office, al Gore
found a lot of stupid stuff, like

1003
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:13,359
studies on how fast ketchup comes out
of the bottle that could be cut.

1004
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:16,439
Yeah, unfortunately, you know the
way our politics works in this country.

1005
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:19,279
These you know, these spending bills
always have a lot of pork in them.

1006
01:16:19,319 --> 01:16:23,720
Everybody's got to get their their projects
in. And not that all those

1007
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,039
projects are bad. I mean,
some of it's stuff that needs to be

1008
01:16:26,119 --> 01:16:29,000
done. Some of it's related to
infrastructure. It's hard to argue against that.

1009
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:33,000
Some of it is stuff that creates
jobs. But no, I don't

1010
01:16:33,039 --> 01:16:39,880
think there's much thought to actually lessening
the debt anymore. I think, you

1011
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:45,399
know Bill Clinton, Look, I
had Greg Moore. I haven't talked to

1012
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him in a long time, actually, but Greg Moore from Americans for Prosperity.

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He's been on my show and He
said that Bill Clinton was the last

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01:16:53,159 --> 01:16:58,039
fiscally conservative president this country's ever had, and he was a Democrat, but

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he was fiscally conservative. Let's take
a quick break, very quick break.

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It's Georgie started Georgie. Georgie,
the George Santo's action figure who simply can't

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tell the truth, with so many
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01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:59,560
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searching Georgie, mermaid Georgie, magician
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and so many other lines he's bound
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Friday. All right, welcome back,

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01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:01,840
everybody, it's Matt Connton unleashed as
we cruise into our final segment today on

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the program on this beautiful Thursday afternoon
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I see my dad is in the
Facebook live chat. Hello, sir Martin

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01:21:59,359 --> 01:22:02,119
Connerton Joy this. Um, we've
been and if you're just joining us,

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01:22:02,199 --> 01:22:11,479
we've been looking at what Lawrence Tribe, constitutional scholar and advisor to former advisor

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01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:16,399
I guess or intermittent over the years, advisor to President Biden about the about

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01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:23,560
the debt limit and what he is
saying now regarding the possibility of invoking the

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01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:28,159
fourteenth Amendment to avoid default, and
what do you said about it in the

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01:22:28,279 --> 01:22:30,399
past. And we haven't even gotten
to that part yet because it's opinion on

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01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:39,079
this has changed and evolved. Um, we were talking before the before the

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01:22:39,159 --> 01:22:45,199
break about this article from political kind
of explains some of what he's uh said

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01:22:45,199 --> 01:22:50,239
about it. We'll we'll pick up
with that. Actually, so Representative Jamie

1078
01:22:50,319 --> 01:22:57,079
Raskin, Democrat of Maryland and emeritus
constitutional law professor at American University said,

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01:22:57,119 --> 01:23:00,399
if the standoff doesn't end, quote, there is a pretty clear constitutional command

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01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:05,399
unquote to pay debts. He also
acknowledged there is virtually no precedent under the

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01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:10,279
fourteenth Amendment, but the president could
be quote in a position where he's going

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01:23:10,359 --> 01:23:15,159
to be forced to choose between either
violating the Constitution and violating the laws of

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01:23:15,239 --> 01:23:21,880
the country which require him to pay
the bondholders and pay the Social Security recipients

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01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:26,920
unquote. However, Republicans who are
looking at the who are looking to use

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01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:31,760
the debt limit to extract cost cutting, are opposed to the idea. Stim

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01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:36,279
Minority Leader Mitch McConnell says, quote
unconstitutionally, acting without Congress is also not

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01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:42,560
an option unquote. That's where the
constitutional crisis comes in, by the way

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01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:45,319
that we talked about earlier. So
on one hand, if you interpret the

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01:23:45,359 --> 01:23:48,640
fourteenth Amendment, which again it's a
little vague, it's a little murky,

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01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:57,560
I wish it was more precise.
I wish the fourteenth Amendment literally said don't

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01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:01,640
default on the debt idiots or something
like that. Probably wouldn't say that exactly,

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01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:06,359
but you know, something to that
effect. I wish it was more

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01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:15,199
specific and concise. But like other
amendments in the Constitution, there are multiple

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01:24:15,279 --> 01:24:23,800
interpretations that people from different ideological bens
will utilize. But I wish had said

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01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:29,520
that more clearly. So, But
if you interpret it to mean that default

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01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:32,960
is not an option, but the
Constitution also again establishes that it's up to

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Congress to decide the fiscal stuff,
not the executive branch. It's up to

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01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:45,560
the legislative branch. Then again,
if the executive branch is invoking the fourteenth

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01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:51,840
Amendment, does that not violate the
Constitution? So there is the crisis potentially,

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01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:56,439
So it says here a Tribe said, he's unclear how the White House

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01:24:56,520 --> 01:25:00,840
could formally Oh this is another problem. Yeah, yeah, this is a

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01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:06,479
big problem. Actually, this is
a big problem. How how does this

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01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:10,159
even work? Because it's never been
done, it's never been tested, never

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01:25:10,199 --> 01:25:15,760
been tried. How does this even
work where the White House gets to say

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01:25:15,119 --> 01:25:17,800
this is what we're doing, where
the president gets to say this is what

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01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:23,960
we're doing. Tribe said, he's
unclear how the White House could formally declare

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01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:28,159
it was invoking the fourteenth Amendment as
a means of ensuring the country made its

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01:25:28,199 --> 01:25:32,800
payment, but said it would not
be a heavy lift. He said,

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01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:35,840
quote, okay, and this is
what I figured. He said, the

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01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:41,159
logistics. Is it an executive order? Is it a directive in the form

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01:25:41,239 --> 01:25:48,199
of a presidential statement? That I
haven't worked out and that I'm confident studellery

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01:25:48,359 --> 01:25:53,520
as the President's White House counsel,
will be working rather hard on it.

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01:25:53,680 --> 01:26:00,119
If Congress remains were calcitrant and refuses
to Budge unquote. So again I guess,

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01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:04,520
I mean somehow he has to you
know, yes, to tell the

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01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:09,239
Treasury, right, hey, keep
paying those bills. I'm invoking the fourteenth.

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01:26:09,359 --> 01:26:14,199
But again there is no established protocol
process for that because it's never been

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01:26:14,239 --> 01:26:16,399
tried. We are in uncharted territory. Now. The other thing that I

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01:26:16,439 --> 01:26:23,159
wanted to look at, just really
out of curiosity more than anything, is

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01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:28,359
I have a political article here from
two thousand to eleven July eighth of twenty

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01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:30,800
eleven. Yes, the summer of
two thousand and eleven. I remember it

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01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:33,520
well. Not only was that when
I originally started the podcast version of Matt

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01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:39,039
Connerton Unleashed. Hard to believe it
was that long ago, but that was

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01:26:39,199 --> 01:26:45,039
the summer where I was very anxious, very nervous about where this was all

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01:26:45,119 --> 01:26:48,600
headed. And now history repeats,
except now I'm even more anxious and nervous

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01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:54,319
because now it seems even like the
cliff is closer than it's ever been.

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01:26:55,159 --> 01:26:57,399
But I want to look at this. So this is from the summer of

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01:26:57,439 --> 01:27:04,159
twenty eleven. Also for Politico,
Lawrence Tribe says no fourteenth Amendment solutions.

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01:27:04,199 --> 01:27:08,319
So let's look at what he said
then, so we can contrast it with

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01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:12,039
what he says now, so it
says here. One of President Barack Obama's

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01:27:12,039 --> 01:27:16,840
most enthusiastic supporters, Harvard law professor
Lawrence Tribe, said on Friday, the

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01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:20,960
White House in Congress can't fall back
on the fourteenth Amendment to make an end

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01:27:21,039 --> 01:27:26,319
run around the current current debt crisis. Writing on the New York Times op

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01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:30,880
ed page, Tribe, who once
called Obama the best student I ever had,

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01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:34,159
unquote, said the idea that a
president can use the fourteenth Amendment to

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01:27:34,159 --> 01:27:39,760
borrow money without regard to Congress provides
quote the false hope of the legal answer

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01:27:40,199 --> 01:27:45,560
that obviates the need for a real
solution. He went on to say several

1137
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:51,880
law professors and senators, and even
Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geitner, have

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01:27:53,119 --> 01:27:59,039
suggested that section four of the Fourteenth
Amendment, known as the Public Debt Clause,

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01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:03,560
might provide a silver bullet. This
provision states that the validity of the

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public debt of the United States,
authorized by law, shall not be questioned.

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01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:14,000
They argue that the Public Debt Clause
is sufficient to nullify the ceiling or

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01:28:14,199 --> 01:28:17,399
can be used to permit the president
to borrow money without regard to the ceiling

1143
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:23,239
unquote. By the way, I
have a just a random but very specific

1144
01:28:23,319 --> 01:28:28,760
memory of um. I remember Tim
Geitner vividly. Um he. I remember

1145
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:31,000
him appearing at a Q and A
session I think at a college. I

1146
01:28:31,079 --> 01:28:35,159
saw this on c SPAN. Yeah, when I when I still had cable

1147
01:28:35,199 --> 01:28:39,079
before I caught the chord. Yes, I'm that much of a political nerd.

1148
01:28:39,119 --> 01:28:45,039
I would watch c Span occasionally and
I saw UM. I saw Tim

1149
01:28:45,119 --> 01:28:49,960
Geitner at at some Q and A
with college students, and he actually saw

1150
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:53,960
Obviously, the subject came up because
at the time we were in the thick

1151
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:58,640
of this, and he, um, excuse me, he actually carried around

1152
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:04,319
he opened up his jacket pocket and
or he opened his jacket, he reached

1153
01:29:04,359 --> 01:29:06,439
into the pocket and he pulled out
a piece of paper and he was he

1154
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:12,880
was carrying around in his pocket a
copy of the fourteenth Amendment because he and

1155
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:16,640
he explained that the reason he was
carrying it around in his jacket is because

1156
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:20,840
he was constantly having to show it
to people because this was the you know,

1157
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:25,520
such a big issue. So his
position was, as Fresury secretary at

1158
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:31,079
the time, his position was that
no, there's no issue here. It

1159
01:29:31,239 --> 01:29:41,000
doesn't matter what the what Congress does, the debt limit itself doesn't matter.

1160
01:29:42,159 --> 01:29:44,760
I've got this And he'd pull out
that piece of paper and he'd say,

1161
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:48,079
look what does that say? So
there's no issue here. That was that

1162
01:29:48,239 --> 01:29:53,279
was his stick at the time.
Melanie that Jarem says, are you okay?

1163
01:29:53,319 --> 01:29:55,399
Got it cold? I'm fine,
Melanie, Yeah, sorry about the

1164
01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:59,960
cough. My allergies. You know, it's May. Everything's in blue,

1165
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:04,159
and I get a little stuffy.
I taken over the counter decongestent. It

1166
01:30:04,279 --> 01:30:08,520
usually fixes me up for the day, but every once in a while the

1167
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:12,039
sneezes creep back in. You should
see me first thing in the morning.

1168
01:30:12,119 --> 01:30:19,399
Though it's a sneeze a thon.
Oh it's wonderful, let's see. So.

1169
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:28,920
So, his argument at the time, not Tim Geitner's argument, but

1170
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:33,399
Lawrence S. Tribe's argument, was
was no, you cannot do this again.

1171
01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:38,640
This was in the summer of twenty
eleven. He said his position was

1172
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:44,079
that the president has very little authority
to borrow money without explicit approval from Congress,

1173
01:30:44,239 --> 01:30:48,760
especially if Congress forbids it. Tribe
wrote at the time, quote,

1174
01:30:49,399 --> 01:30:57,479
the Constitution grants only Congress not the
president the power to borrow money on the

1175
01:30:57,560 --> 01:31:01,319
credit of the United States. Nothing
in the Fourteenth Amendment or in any other

1176
01:31:01,399 --> 01:31:08,680
constitutional provision suggests that the president may
usurp legislative power to prevent a violation of

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01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:14,760
the Constitution. Moreover, it is
well established that the president's power drops to

1178
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:21,439
what Justice Robert H. Jackson called
its lowest EBB when exercised against the express

1179
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:27,960
will of Congress unquote. So that's
what he said was saying in twenty eleven.

1180
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:31,880
So again the constitutional crisis. The
fourteenth Amendment says the debt will not

1181
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:38,439
be questioned, but Tribe was arguing
then that the Constitution also says, again,

1182
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:44,279
it's the legislative branch who spends the
money, and the executive branch has

1183
01:31:44,319 --> 01:31:54,399
nothing to say about that part.
Now, I suppose, and the current

1184
01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:57,680
article that we looked at didn't really
get into it. I'd like to.

1185
01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:00,359
I need to go back and read
the full op ed that he wrote for

1186
01:32:00,399 --> 01:32:01,439
The New York Times. I need
to look at that, and I'm very

1187
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:09,039
curious to read the whole thing.
I suppose the argument that he would make

1188
01:32:09,119 --> 01:32:12,319
now I assume that he makes now, and again I need to I need

1189
01:32:12,359 --> 01:32:23,560
to read, it would be that
invoking the fourteenth it has nothing to do

1190
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:29,119
with has nothing to do with spending
money. It has to do with borrowing

1191
01:32:29,239 --> 01:32:35,199
money. So Congress, only Congress
can spend the money. Only the legislative

1192
01:32:35,199 --> 01:32:40,960
branch can spend the money. But
who says only the legislative branch can borrow

1193
01:32:41,079 --> 01:32:46,199
the money if the fourteenth Amendment says
the debt has to be paid. If

1194
01:32:46,279 --> 01:32:54,239
that is again, if you accept
that interpretation, all right, So going

1195
01:32:54,319 --> 01:32:56,760
back to this again, this is
what Laurence Scribe was saying. In twenty

1196
01:32:56,840 --> 01:33:01,119
eleven, in response to tribes op
ed, the Treasury Department took the professor

1197
01:33:01,239 --> 01:33:06,000
to task and said, Gettner has
never suggested the fourteenth Amendment could be used

1198
01:33:06,039 --> 01:33:10,560
as a way out of the debt
crisis. Well, yes, he did.

1199
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:13,880
I mean it might have been,
he absolutely did. I remember vividly

1200
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:16,479
it might have been after this article
was written. Though, in fairness so

1201
01:33:18,479 --> 01:33:25,640
George Madison, the Department's General counsel, said in a letter to the editor

1202
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:32,159
of The Times, that Gettner quote
has never argued that the fourteenth Amendment to

1203
01:33:32,279 --> 01:33:44,520
the US Constitution allows the president to
disregard the statutory debt limit. Melanie said

1204
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:46,680
in the chat room. Was that
a sleepover offer? I'll bring ice cream

1205
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:57,680
and we can watch horror movies.
What Jenny likes ice cream? She won't

1206
01:33:57,680 --> 01:34:00,239
say no to that. I don't
know if she likes horror movies. We've

1207
01:34:00,279 --> 01:34:06,000
never really watched a horror movie together. Geidner has insisted that quote, Congress

1208
01:34:06,039 --> 01:34:10,520
has an obligation to ensure we are
able to honor our the obligations of the

1209
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:15,439
United States unquote. Madison added,
he also said, quote, like every

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01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:21,520
previous Secretary of the Treasury who has
confronted the question, Secretary Geytner has always

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01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:26,960
viewed the debt limit as a binding
legal constraint that can only be raised by

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01:34:27,079 --> 01:34:30,720
Congress. Unquote. This must have
been written. I have to assume this

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01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:35,239
article was written before. It had
to be written, before Geitner started going

1214
01:34:35,279 --> 01:34:39,039
around saying, Hey, look at
this, I've got this in my pocket

1215
01:34:39,159 --> 01:34:45,920
right here, or look had to
be right in the Times, Tribe said

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01:34:45,039 --> 01:34:49,359
Obama must compromise with Republicans to reach
a deal on the debt ceiling, writing

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01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:56,039
quote, only political courage and compromise
coupled with adherence to traditions that call upon

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01:34:56,119 --> 01:35:02,560
Congress to fulfill its unique constitutional duty
can avert and impending crisis unquote. The

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01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:06,880
op ed is not the first time
Tribe has taken an indirect shot at his

1220
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:12,359
former Pupils administration. In April,
he signed a letter in The New York

1221
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:15,920
A Review of Books and gave an
interview to the Guardian of London decrying the

1222
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:21,600
treatment of Wiki Leak's suspect, Bradley
Manning. He also trashed now Supreme Court

1223
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:27,119
Justice Sony Sotomayor in a twenty two
thousand nine letters sent three weeks before her

1224
01:35:27,199 --> 01:35:30,760
nomination, dubbing her not nearly as
smart as she seems to think she is.

1225
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:36,239
Okay. Tribe later said he had
changed his mind since he has since

1226
01:35:36,319 --> 01:35:40,760
changed his mind about sodomyer Okay,
So anyway, that's the that's the article.

1227
01:35:41,399 --> 01:35:44,600
That's what Lawrence Tribe was saying in
twenty eleven, So very different from

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01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:53,119
what he says now. I would
be curious to know why the change.

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01:35:56,600 --> 01:36:02,680
Is it simply the direness of the
of the situation. All right, let's

1230
01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:05,920
try to get in one more thing. Oh wow, yeah, we're almost

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01:36:05,960 --> 01:36:09,600
out of time. If you'd like
to get in with a quick call,

1232
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:12,920
but it will have to be very
quick six three two five six seven six

1233
01:36:13,159 --> 01:36:16,600
three two five six seven. We
have talked a great deal on the show

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01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:24,279
about TikTok, the app TikTok,
and the potential banning of TikTok in the

1235
01:36:24,399 --> 01:36:27,239
United States. That was a big
you know, a couple of months ago,

1236
01:36:27,319 --> 01:36:30,720
that was a big story. Kind
of I thought it had completely fizzled

1237
01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:34,399
out and nothing was going to happen, because you know, they had the

1238
01:36:34,479 --> 01:36:41,600
hearing with the CEO of TikTok and
everything, and then just nothing. It's

1239
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:45,439
like, Okay, Congress saw another
shiny object and to play with him,

1240
01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:53,000
that's it. Well, then I
see this and this happened today. AP

1241
01:36:53,159 --> 01:37:00,239
News reports Montana says first in nation
TikTok band protects people, TikTok says as

1242
01:37:00,279 --> 01:37:04,199
their rights. The state of Montana
has taken it upon themselves to ban TikTok

1243
01:37:04,359 --> 01:37:14,439
in Montana, and they're the first
state to do it. Says here again,

1244
01:37:14,479 --> 01:37:16,279
this is from the Ape. Montana
became the first state in the US

1245
01:37:16,319 --> 01:37:23,439
to enact a complete ban on TikTok
today yesterday actually, when Republican Governor Greg

1246
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:30,199
Gianforte signed a measure that's more sweeping
than any other state's attempts to curtail the

1247
01:37:30,319 --> 01:37:34,760
social media app, which is owned
by a Chinese tech company. The measure

1248
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:40,479
is scheduled to take effect on January
first, twenty twenty four, is expected

1249
01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:44,359
to be challenged legally and will serve
as a testing ground for the TikTok Free

1250
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:50,840
America that many national lawmakers have envisioned. Cybersecurity experts say it could be difficult

1251
01:37:50,920 --> 01:38:03,560
to enforce the ban. Quote Oh, this is from Geneforte's statement. Quote,

1252
01:38:04,399 --> 01:38:10,720
Today, Montana takes the most decisive
action of any state to protect montanans

1253
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:15,560
private data and sensitive personal information from
being harvested by the Chinese Communist Party.

1254
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:24,560
Unquote. TikTok spokesperson Brooke ober Wetter, that's a fun name. Ober Wetter

1255
01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:30,359
argued that the law infringes on people's
First Amendment rights and is unlawful. She

1256
01:38:30,520 --> 01:38:35,479
declined to say whether the company will
file a lawsuit. Ober Wetter said in

1257
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:41,760
a statement, quote, we want
to reassure Montanans that they can continue using

1258
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:45,359
TikTok to express themselves, earn a
living and fine community as we continue working

1259
01:38:45,439 --> 01:38:49,560
to defend the rights of our users
inside and outside of Montana. Unquote.

1260
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:56,680
The American Civil Liberties Union, I'm
sorry. The American Civil Liberties of Montana

1261
01:38:57,199 --> 01:39:01,319
and net Choice, which is a
trade group that counts Google and TikTok as

1262
01:39:01,359 --> 01:39:09,680
its members, also called the law
unconstitutional. Keegan Medrano, policy director of

1263
01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:14,039
the ACLU of Montana, said the
legislature quote trampled on the free speech of

1264
01:39:14,159 --> 01:39:18,319
hundreds of thousands of Montanas who use
the app to express themselves, gather information,

1265
01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:24,079
and run their small business in the
name of anti Chinese sentiment unquote.

1266
01:39:29,279 --> 01:39:32,000
We're almost out of time, this
is uh. We might we might have

1267
01:39:32,079 --> 01:39:40,760
to revisit this tomorrow if we have
time tomorrow. But let me just say

1268
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:46,680
so, the blowback from this so
not only obviously are we already seeing a

1269
01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:51,039
lot of negative reaction to this ban
on the grounds of you know, and

1270
01:39:51,319 --> 01:39:58,199
we talked about it on the show. We talked about it, talked about

1271
01:39:58,199 --> 01:40:06,319
it months ago or a couple months
ago about how you know this, uh,

1272
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:15,680
the government actually banning an app that
so many millions of people use to

1273
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:20,760
communicate and express themselves and so forth. How that's a big step. That's

1274
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:26,960
a big step, and it's a
hard sell, you know. And I

1275
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:30,920
have said all along, I'm I'm
open minded to the arguments. I mean,

1276
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:35,119
you know you you say national security
to me, I hear that phrase.

1277
01:40:35,319 --> 01:40:38,399
You know that's something I care deeply
about. It's like, okay,

1278
01:40:38,439 --> 01:40:40,960
you've got my attention. But then
you've really got to make your case though.

1279
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:45,399
To take a step like this,
like actually banning an app, we've

1280
01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:49,319
never done that. That's that would
be a first in American history to actually

1281
01:40:49,439 --> 01:40:57,560
ban an app that is used to
communicate and does that trample on people's rights?

1282
01:40:57,800 --> 01:41:02,560
So so we have we have that
issue. But the other thing too

1283
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:05,760
is and again and we don't have
time to get into it in depth.

1284
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:12,199
We got to go in a second. But the other thing is enforcement.

1285
01:41:12,720 --> 01:41:16,840
Is this actually enforceable now? Apparently
according to the law, if you already

1286
01:41:16,920 --> 01:41:23,159
have the TikTok app on your phone, you're not forced to delete it.

1287
01:41:23,239 --> 01:41:29,039
You can continue to use it.
But even if they were to say no,

1288
01:41:29,399 --> 01:41:32,279
you can't use it, get rid
of the app, you know you

1289
01:41:32,439 --> 01:41:39,119
can't. You can't enforce that.
That's the thing. You You couldn't make

1290
01:41:39,159 --> 01:41:43,319
people remove the app from their phones, even if you wanted to. And

1291
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:47,560
even if the government we're going to
start tracking trying to track who's actually using

1292
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:53,119
in the State of Montana, who's
actually using TikTok on their mobile devices.

1293
01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:58,600
You can just use a VPN to
camouflage yourself and you know, you do

1294
01:41:58,680 --> 01:42:03,920
whatever you want and no one's the
wiser. So you know, I don't

1295
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:08,880
know how something like this is even
enforceable. So there's that too. There's

1296
01:42:08,920 --> 01:42:14,239
not only the the First Amendment question
about it, but you know, if

1297
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:19,479
you can't enforce it, then really
what's the point. And I'm not making

1298
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:25,119
any arguments for or against. I'm
just offering that up as a question that

1299
01:42:26,039 --> 01:42:30,439
we should ponder when looking at laws
like this. And again, it's a

1300
01:42:30,479 --> 01:42:35,520
big step. It's not anything to
be taken lightly banning a very popular app

1301
01:42:35,640 --> 01:42:40,000
that people use to communicate and to
express themselves. All right, we are

1302
01:42:40,079 --> 01:42:44,640
out of time. Tomorrow on the
show We've Got, of course, as

1303
01:42:44,640 --> 01:42:49,399
we do every Friday, Eric Pilcher's
classic film review and this week, excuse

1304
01:42:49,479 --> 01:42:58,079
me, this week Eric's review is
Superman the Movie, the original Superman film

1305
01:42:58,159 --> 01:43:02,800
with Christopher Reeves. That will be
That will be the film review, and

1306
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:05,079
we have a that'll be in the
second hour. In the first hour,

1307
01:43:05,119 --> 01:43:10,000
we are going to be joined by
Ray Coates, a musician from the UK.

1308
01:43:10,239 --> 01:43:12,399
He's been on the show with us. I think this will be a

1309
01:43:13,399 --> 01:43:18,279
third or fourth appearance on the show. Raise a very interesting guy and very

1310
01:43:18,359 --> 01:43:21,880
positive. I like what he does. So he's gonna be skyping in from

1311
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:26,399
across the pond as we say so. That will be tomorrow on the show.

1312
01:43:27,239 --> 01:43:30,800
Excuse me, oh boy, this
is probably a good thing we're at

1313
01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:34,880
the end because my allergies are really
starting to kick up. If you are

1314
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:39,439
listening live on Thursday. Coming up
next on WMNH, we have Through the

1315
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:43,840
Stage Store hosted by the great Rob
die On and don't forget to be back

1316
01:43:43,880 --> 01:43:47,319
bright and early seven am for the
Morning show with Peter White. And that's

1317
01:43:47,359 --> 01:43:48,920
gonna do it for us. For
now. I'm gonna leave you with a

1318
01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:55,439
little bit of Sepsis. My favorite
song from Sepsis Eyes of Empathy, and

1319
01:43:55,960 --> 01:43:58,560
we will leave you with that.
If you miss any part of today's show

1320
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:01,159
it we'll be up in just a
little bit ATWMH radio dot org and on

1321
01:44:01,279 --> 01:44:04,319
my website Maatt Conerton dot com.
All right, we gotta go. I'll

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01:44:04,359 --> 01:44:05,960
talk to y'all a little bit later. By everybody,