WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.640 --> 00:00:07.679 This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jay Gonzalez on Fox Sports 2 00:00:07.719 --> 00:00:13.640 fourteen fifteen powered by Nova Insurance Services. Hey sure, your most prized possessions, 3 00:00:13.800 --> 00:00:18.440 Katie z R Two SAD and iHeart Radio Station. They Good afternoon, 4 00:00:18.480 --> 00:00:21.480 everybody. Welcome to Y on the Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. 5 00:00:21.640 --> 00:00:26.480 I'm Steve Rivera alongside partner Jay Gonzos. It is going to be a day 6 00:00:26.559 --> 00:00:30.480 today. We're gonna talk a lot about the Derby coming up on Saturday, 7 00:00:31.160 --> 00:00:36.439 Oakley and otherwise and the main event in Kentucky. But first, there's been 8 00:00:36.719 --> 00:00:40.799 some big news coming out of the University of Very well, some highly unfortunate 9 00:00:40.840 --> 00:00:47.560 news. UM. Stuff to think about and talk about, UM and the 10 00:00:47.640 --> 00:00:49.759 kinds of things that you really don't want to have to talk about, but 11 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:53.280 when they come around, you have to talk about. Right, I'm gonna 12 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:56.520 go ahead and you tell them, I'm gonna have to ask you a question. 13 00:00:56.719 --> 00:00:59.920 Okay. Well, the first thing it's come out since our since our 14 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:07.400 show last night yesterday, that apparently not apparently, that Jade delora Um was 15 00:01:07.719 --> 00:01:12.840 arrested and pleaded guilty as a juvenile to a sexual assault that occurred in Hawaii. 16 00:01:14.599 --> 00:01:17.319 UH high school students. He was a high school student. He was 17 00:01:17.359 --> 00:01:21.640 involved in it with another with a teammate of his on a teenage girl. 18 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:25.599 UH in Hawaii. We we don't you know, we won't go into all 19 00:01:25.599 --> 00:01:30.640 the details other than to say that he pleaded guilty along with the other the 20 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:37.920 other individual, of sexual assault on this on the on the victim. Um. 21 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:41.239 He it was. It was adjudicated at the juvenal court level. He 22 00:01:41.319 --> 00:01:47.959 apparently did not do any jail time. Um he's according to UH David Kelly 23 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:51.480 from Channel four, who's been on this all day, he's not having to 24 00:01:51.840 --> 00:01:55.560 he's not having to register as a sex offender. And so the case is 25 00:01:55.599 --> 00:02:00.799 done. Now what's come out is that Delora and his family, Emily had 26 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:04.239 to pay a settlement in a civil lawsuit to the girl and her family. 27 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:08.080 And that's what's kind of hit the news. A newspaper out of Hawaii UH 28 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:13.039 ran with this yesterday. So it's come out something that none of us knew. 29 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:17.800 That Jade Delora was convicted of a sexual assault before he got here, 30 00:02:19.560 --> 00:02:23.400 right, So the question is what now? Well, and before he got 31 00:02:23.439 --> 00:02:27.879 here, he was somewhere else right Washington first, and I don't know if 32 00:02:27.879 --> 00:02:30.639 they knew anything about this, right, But let means there's so many things. 33 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:36.879 Let me say this before we start unraveling, because you know there's all 34 00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:38.400 the questions, right, well, what about Jade Delora and what about the 35 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:40.400 football team? What about this? And what about that? Well, the 36 00:02:40.439 --> 00:02:43.759 first thing we need to say, what about we need to say what about 37 00:02:43.800 --> 00:02:46.639 the victim? Okay, wait wait first, first, go ahead and tell 38 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:51.120 them what you tried to do today. Uh through So I just I just 39 00:02:51.159 --> 00:02:53.280 reached out to the event said, are you know, are we going to 40 00:02:53.319 --> 00:02:57.400 get a statement from Jed or someone in the athletic department? And I've got 41 00:02:57.439 --> 00:03:00.000 no response to that. So so we have we have try that and I 42 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:05.879 know multiple media I have also tried to get a comment or a statement and 43 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:08.840 the UFA hasn't responded. And we'll get to all that in a minute. 44 00:03:08.879 --> 00:03:13.159 I kind of just wanted to start there because the least you did some betting, 45 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:15.639 which is beyond I thought. But let me let me say this because 46 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:23.319 when these things happen, it always becomes about the should we say the celebrity, 47 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:30.080 right, the Brandon Miller at at Alabama? The basketball player, uh, 48 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:32.039 you know, the basketball players from Alabama who are involved in that shooting. 49 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:36.360 The first thing it has to be about is the victim. And so 50 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:39.240 I just wanted to make sure I say that because what you hope and what 51 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:45.840 you want is that whatever happens to Jayden Delora and this other player he's at 52 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:51.039 Wisconsin, that you know, all considerations are being made for the victim that 53 00:03:51.080 --> 00:03:53.680 they have been in you know, since this occurred back in twenty eighteen, 54 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:57.840 and that they will continue to be for the rest of her life. So 55 00:03:57.919 --> 00:04:00.439 just for clarity, because you've been forward a little bit than me, a 56 00:04:00.479 --> 00:04:04.599 lot more than me. Uh, they settled the civil civil monsters, so 57 00:04:04.680 --> 00:04:09.879 that kind of now that he has money, right and apparently lots of it, 58 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:13.520 Yeah, that he was able to pay you or decided just to pay 59 00:04:13.560 --> 00:04:16.519 and say, Okay, well she's hand from the whole not the whole thing, 60 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:19.839 but trying to move forward to Yeah, and look, and an amount 61 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:24.879 of money is gonna make it right with this with this victim. Okay, 62 00:04:24.879 --> 00:04:27.519 she's got to live with this for the rest of her life. So all 63 00:04:27.519 --> 00:04:30.360 I'm saying is that before we talk about anything as to how Jaden Delora is 64 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:33.160 gonna handle us, how are you by's gonna handle this. We just have 65 00:04:33.199 --> 00:04:38.319 to make sure that we say, we got to make sure that the victim 66 00:04:38.959 --> 00:04:41.600 is first and foremost in all of this. So I just wanted to say 67 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:44.079 that, Look, I got two daughters, but you don't need to have 68 00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:48.279 two daughters to understand, you know, what this can do to a victim 69 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:53.079 like this girl. So I just want to say, let's make sure that 70 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:56.480 we don't, you know, take our eye off the ball about what's most 71 00:04:56.519 --> 00:05:00.040 important here, which is the victim. Okay, right without without So now 72 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:03.680 we've said that, so a lot to go through. Um, did Jed 73 00:05:03.920 --> 00:05:08.920 know this before he got there? Got here? Right? Because he didn't, 74 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:12.000 didn't matter where Washington state, he was none of his business by that 75 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:14.399 time. But when he got here, did he know any of this? 76 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:17.079 Yeah? Uh? Did? I didn't say yep, that they knew. 77 00:05:17.079 --> 00:05:21.600 I'm just saying that's that's that's that's a major question in a situation, right, 78 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:25.639 and that's the beginning of it. It's okay, if he did, 79 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:28.319 that's an issue. If he didn't, Okay, so now what does he 80 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:32.439 do? Right? Maybe he says nothing, Yeah, maybe he says suspension. 81 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:36.079 Maybe nothing. I mean, what do you do that that's the whole 82 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:40.199 thing thing. Okay, there's two scenarios. Did they know or didn't they 83 00:05:40.279 --> 00:05:45.519 know? Sure, okay. If they did know, then they have to 84 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:50.480 say they have to say why it was they were okay to bring him to 85 00:05:50.519 --> 00:05:55.240 the university. They have to answer that. And they can't say it's none 86 00:05:55.240 --> 00:06:00.319 of our business or they can't hide behind you know, student confidentiality any of 87 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:03.800 that. They have to say, we knew about it and this is this 88 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:08.560 was our thought process and going ahead and bringing him to the University of Arizona. 89 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:11.879 Jo, Jay, You've gonna run a long time. Do you know 90 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:15.279 what they're gonna say that. They're not gonna say. No, they absolutely 91 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:17.079 have to escape. No, Hey, they can't hide behind the lawn. 92 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:19.920 I'm with you. I'm with you, somebody with you. But I don't 93 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:23.759 even say will somebody will, Well, somebody will go out there and do 94 00:06:23.839 --> 00:06:28.319 a Freedom of Information Act for all in emails and anything related. Oh sure, 95 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:31.079 this okay, and my parents needs to be an answer. My point 96 00:06:31.199 --> 00:06:35.759 is they've been very good in stifling the media for the last fourteen years since 97 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:39.560 Greggburnon showed up here. Everything's been kind of on the on, the on, 98 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:42.680 the under underneath if you will, uh, no, no comment, 99 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:45.079 no comment. We don't we're not talking about that, blah blah blah. 100 00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:47.720 So my my, I'm telling you. I'm telling you this fact that that's 101 00:06:47.720 --> 00:06:51.680 what they're going to try to do. Whether somebody goes in and tries to 102 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:56.680 FOI this or whatever, freedom of information, more power to you. Wow. 103 00:06:58.279 --> 00:07:00.519 If i'm if I'm their PR guy, and I'm not talking about you 104 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:05.680 know, matt a university, I'm talking about the university public relation. They 105 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:12.480 need to They need to advise the athletic department that they need to say something 106 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:16.720 because the community deserves that, well, the faculty deserves that, you know. 107 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:19.319 I mean, they've just went through this thing with the shooting on campus, 108 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:24.519 right, shooting that all this stuff was going on. Don't forget or 109 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:28.959 wasn't going on, don't forget the track track right, So there has to 110 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:30.800 be an answer to that. They can't. They can't stonewall this, I 111 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:34.439 don't believe. And to go to that, I think the highest authority they 112 00:07:34.480 --> 00:07:40.199 may try to at a point, I don't think they should be allowed to 113 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:44.120 know. I don't. I love the university, I love the athletic department, 114 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:47.000 you know that. But I'm speaking from the standpoint now of of a 115 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:50.199 journalist and the community member. It says this is how this thing needs to 116 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:54.800 be handled. So if they did know, then we need an explanation as 117 00:07:54.839 --> 00:07:58.759 to what went in the decision process to allow Jayden Delord to come play at 118 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:01.079 the University of Arizona. And look, for all I know, the Laura 119 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:05.240 may have gone through whatever measures needed to be gone through as a part of 120 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:11.759 whatever and had it right. Did he have to go to some some treatment 121 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:18.040 or some uh you know, some psychological whatever whatever you know, to kind 122 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:20.480 of get this out of him? Okay, you hope that something like that 123 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:24.199 occurred as well, that it wasn't just as simple as what we're reading is 124 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:28.959 that there was a written apology that was part of why he didn't go down. 125 00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:31.519 There was more to it than that. Sure, this happened four years 126 00:08:31.559 --> 00:08:35.759 ago, twenty eighteen. Okay, so it seems a long time ago, 127 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:39.600 but it's really not. Now. Arizona is part of it because of the 128 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:43.919 circumstances. Um, we'll see how they handle it in the next coming days, 129 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:46.720 because something will have to be done. I don't I'm not here to 130 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:50.639 argue with you. I totally agree with you, but having dealt with them 131 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:52.639 for the last And let me say this because I know you asked me if 132 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:56.679 we had had all sports Tucson, and me personally had asked no. And 133 00:08:56.840 --> 00:09:01.279 I say this because I've no longer real journalist if that mean a real journalists 134 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:03.840 there you are? No, no, no, no. The Citizen closed 135 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:07.120 fourteen years ago. I kind of stopped there. Uh, I'm in this 136 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:11.600 business now. We don't chase things down. We don't, we don't you 137 00:09:11.679 --> 00:09:15.759 know, we don't get into that rock. And I'm not gonna I'm not 138 00:09:15.799 --> 00:09:18.879 gonna go do a freedom of everything. I'm relying on the other media to 139 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:22.440 come up with this stuff. Right in that sense, yes, But in 140 00:09:22.600 --> 00:09:24.200 the general sense, I think you and are continue to be you and I 141 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:28.320 continue to be journalist from the standpoint that we want to find out Oh sure, 142 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:31.480 sure, but we're not pursuing it. We're not pursuing That's my point. 143 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:33.039 And I would have if this if I was the paper still open and 144 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:37.039 they were paying my bills, I would do it tomorrow. But it's not 145 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:39.000 so I'm not going to. Uh and then our Sports two Sun is not 146 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:43.799 that type of publication. Uh. The record is there was only day to 147 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:46.639 start, right, story and the and the TV station. That's what they're 148 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:50.679 there, and they're they're you know that they're doing it. That they're doing 149 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:52.679 they're doing it. So we're here to talk about it, right, and 150 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:56.279 that's what we'll be doing. Right is it? Right? Is wrong? 151 00:09:56.360 --> 00:09:58.559 I don't know anymore? Jay, This is this is the funny thing about 152 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:03.360 it. I don't have any ties to you they outside of me covering them 153 00:10:03.679 --> 00:10:07.279 and doing what I do. But I'm almost turning into you in terms of 154 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:11.159 being a fan hoping that they do will and it's just a Smith's jail, 155 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:16.000 you know. You know, I'm very unbiased on but but I can see 156 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:20.559 they're gonna have problems with nil across the board. They just are because you 157 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:24.440 see it and you say, I'm saying they're gonna need help. But I've 158 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:28.399 said this all the week too, whatever it is, and I'm thinking they 159 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:31.600 have issues. Yeah, But but in this, in this situation, you 160 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:35.120 know, keeping it to this situation, is that what I as a fan, 161 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:39.159 as an alumnus of the universe of Arizona, as a member of this 162 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:45.480 community, as the father of two daughters, right, yeah, all I 163 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:48.559 want. It's not just answered but I want Arizona to do the right thing. 164 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:52.799 Okay, we don't know. I don't know the way entirely know what 165 00:10:54.039 --> 00:10:56.600 that is. Okay, because I was saying, either they knew and I 166 00:10:56.679 --> 00:11:01.080 just went through you know, yeah, yeah, or they didn't know, 167 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:03.559 and which guess if they didn't know, why didn't you know? Yeah? 168 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:07.159 Why didn't you know? It's gonna happen? Moving forward? Right? So? 169 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:09.919 You know, Yeah, I've been getting asked, what are you gonna 170 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:11.159 stand on the show? What do you can say on the show? What 171 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:13.480 do you say on the show? I wasn't sure what I was gonna stand 172 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:16.960 that show. It's just kind of happened. I said the same. We 173 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:18.639 didn't talk about it. We didn't talk about this is an ad lib type 174 00:11:18.679 --> 00:11:22.200 of this first time you and I are talking about, Yes, except that 175 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:26.360 I asked you if you had upon it on my way over here is where 176 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:28.919 I kind of came up with you. But let me ask you. Let 177 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:31.720 me ask you something, because I have this problem with fans in general. 178 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:37.039 Okay, let's assume for a second they knew or whatever. Are you going 179 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:43.120 to cheer for now that you know? Are you gonna cheer for him? 180 00:11:43.159 --> 00:11:46.480 Any differently? Because you know Arizona fans. Um, it's like Barry Bonds, 181 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:48.799 right, I did you win? They're happy there, you're you can 182 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:52.559 get away with there, we go with it. If you're a quarterback, 183 00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:56.279 you're Barry Bonds who doesn't did his thing back there? Uh the only people 184 00:11:56.360 --> 00:12:00.879 cheering for him with San Francisco Giant people, but he else hated the guy. 185 00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:03.519 So are you going to be a fan of him? I don't know. 186 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:07.039 Here's what I'm gonna say. Is that your answer? No, that's 187 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:09.080 and that's a great answer. Now you don't know. I don't know. 188 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:11.600 I don't know. That's a great answer. I don't But here's what I'm 189 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:13.639 gonna say. And I thought it. I came up with this on the 190 00:12:13.679 --> 00:12:16.480 way in because I was really trying to say, okay, you you can't 191 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:20.320 be wishy washy on this. Okay was my thought. I can't don't disagree, 192 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:22.279 Yeah, I can't. You know. We So on the way over 193 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:26.080 here, I thought, okay, let's break, let's take out who Jane 194 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:28.480 Delora is. We don't you know. I don't know him from SCHMO. 195 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:31.480 I mean I've talked to him in press conference. I don't know Jane Delora 196 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:41.080 Okay, But where I went was if this happened today, if or any 197 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:48.080 other player was busted for sexual assault to the point where it was certain that 198 00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:50.919 it occurred, he was guilty. Okay, what would the you have a 199 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:56.879 do they kick him off the team? Do you hope you'd hope that they 200 00:12:56.919 --> 00:13:01.879 would over the How can I say this will if you're talking to sexual assault, 201 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:03.399 I don't know any sexual assault. I don't know that because you can 202 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:07.279 get a d UI, you can you can steal a candy bar. Right, 203 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:11.960 those are things that you know nobody was really hurt. But you commit 204 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:16.759 a sexual assault, a murder, you know, something like that, that's 205 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:20.080 almost automatic rounds to be kicked off the team. I don't distribete with what 206 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:22.279 they should do, and it's not that they do doing a passional note crickets. 207 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:26.720 I won't say it online, but yes, right, wouldn't wouldn't he 208 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:30.120 be kicked off the team. And we also have something that we're going to 209 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:33.039 talk about. We can't talk about because we're gonna have Richard Ing from three 210 00:13:33.159 --> 00:13:35.600 fifteen, but the basketball team. Right, we'll get into the whole basketball 211 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:39.840 team issue because we've got another issue there. But on this one, Steve. 212 00:13:39.919 --> 00:13:43.480 I just think that. Now, the question is if they knew and 213 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:48.399 they let him come to the team knowing that this had occurred, right, 214 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:52.919 knowing that this had occurred, then can you kick him off the team? 215 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:56.440 Now? Yeah? Yeah, right, so I don't want to, Like 216 00:13:56.519 --> 00:14:00.480 I said, yeah, there's issues after you obey the We don't know, 217 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:03.279 we knew what the track team, right, It took took a lot to 218 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:07.120 get through that. I'm glad I'm not the ad. I'm glad I'm not 219 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:13.240 the football coach or the president of the university because it was just and guess 220 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:15.720 what, he's already taking a lot of heat, taking some heat over some 221 00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:20.440 other stuff on campus. Yeah. So yeah, so I don't know. 222 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:22.120 Um, I don't know what the answer is. We're not gonna have the 223 00:14:22.279 --> 00:14:26.879 I don't know, but well, you know, well look we gotta, 224 00:14:26.879 --> 00:14:28.960 we gotta. We got two hours, you know, we got some horse 225 00:14:28.080 --> 00:14:31.279 racing stuff to talk about, and we'll continue this. We'll continue this. 226 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:35.480 Please call us. I've got a long Facebook. I don't know if you're 227 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:39.080 reading my Facebook. Some dudes all over it says why is this gonna come? 228 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:43.039 Or no, no, they didn't know about Jaden? What? Yeah, 229 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:43.840 I mean, how do you not know? Ye? Yeah, all 230 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:48.519 right, um. Richard ang, our resident horse racing guru uh covers the 231 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:54.679 West Coast tracks and we always get him before the the Triple Crown races. 232 00:14:54.919 --> 00:14:58.879 He's coming on. So in the midst of all of this, we're gonna 233 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:01.240 try and talk some horse racing. With the Derby coming up on Saturday, 234 00:15:01.519 --> 00:15:05.080 Richard ain't coming up, We'll get his pick for the Derby and then we'll 235 00:15:05.120 --> 00:15:07.639 move on and have more of this discussion after it. 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I mean, I heart radio Whip. 289 00:19:21.440 --> 00:19:26.720 This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jay Gonzalez on Fox Sports 290 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:30.839 fourteen fifty. Hey, welcome back to I'm About here a Fox Sports fourteen 291 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:33.559 fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. He's jakens Olsen. Now in the phone, 292 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:38.799 we have our guy, Richard Ian from Las Vegas, brisone and other websites. 293 00:19:38.839 --> 00:19:45.640 How are you, Richard? Oh, happy to be on again a 294 00:19:45.759 --> 00:19:48.519 year from last year. I know, rich strike kind of took us off 295 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:52.839 the rails last year. Maybe we can hit the target. The bulls eye 296 00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:56.599 was a dark today. Yeah, he took everybody off the rail. That 297 00:19:56.720 --> 00:20:00.680 was That was bad. Strike. Winning a right is almost going to live 298 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:07.759 with you for a month with you. But this must be like Christmas for 299 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:11.559 you this next couple of days. Oh yeah, yeah, for a couple 300 00:20:11.599 --> 00:20:15.640 of reasons. One is, you know I wrote a book called Betting on 301 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:21.039 horse Racing for Dummies, the second edition, and this is the most popular 302 00:20:21.160 --> 00:20:26.519 time of the year for sales because so many newcomers have their eyeballs on horse 303 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:30.519 racing. That don't don't normally do it the other you know, fifty one 304 00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:33.880 weeks of the year. So a lot of newcomers, a lot of recreational 305 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:38.720 players are following Churchill and the Derby and the Oaks. So I do sell 306 00:20:38.799 --> 00:20:44.240 more books and I think it's a good process to get people started in horse 307 00:20:44.359 --> 00:20:48.920 racing to you know, to generate more interest. And then as far as 308 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:52.680 the handicapping, I mean, the two cards on Friday and Saturday, Churchill 309 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:56.920 are as good as you're going to see all year outside of the Breeders Cup. 310 00:20:56.160 --> 00:21:00.319 So these are great cards to bed into if you're you know, a 311 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:04.480 regular horse player. So it is there. I know there's various favorites and 312 00:21:04.559 --> 00:21:08.720 whatnot, but sometimes there's like a horse that stands out above everybody, but 313 00:21:08.759 --> 00:21:12.680 he says that's the one. It doesn't seem like we're in that kind of 314 00:21:12.799 --> 00:21:19.960 situation this year. Well, for the Kentucky Derby, it's definitely pretty wild. 315 00:21:21.559 --> 00:21:22.720 I think the favorite, and a pretty good favorite, is going to 316 00:21:22.759 --> 00:21:26.640 be a horse called Forte from a trainer, Todd Pletcher. But it's amazing 317 00:21:26.680 --> 00:21:30.759 how many people are trying to downplay him and go in another direction. Actually, 318 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:34.079 I'm in the same boat, but the favorite is going to be Forte. 319 00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:38.960 He's done nothing wrong. He deserves to be favored. But I think 320 00:21:40.039 --> 00:21:42.720 one of the reasons people are trying to poke holes in his boat is the 321 00:21:42.799 --> 00:21:48.119 fact that he's just not that fast in a sense that he looks like he's 322 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:53.319 dominant. He doesn't look dominant like American Pharaoh or Justify or one of those 323 00:21:53.599 --> 00:21:59.000 type of horses. He's good, certainly's good enough to win, but he 324 00:21:59.119 --> 00:22:03.359 doesn't look overwhelming. So that's why people are trying to look at some other 325 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:04.599 horses too, right there. Yeah, that's the point I was making. 326 00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:08.480 There isn't like an overwhelming favorite. There's a favorite, but not somebody that 327 00:22:08.559 --> 00:22:14.200 everybody say that's the one, no doubt about it. Yeah, that's that's 328 00:22:14.359 --> 00:22:17.720 That's what I was trying to point out, is that there's nobody who's going 329 00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:19.440 to be like two to one, but this horses two to one, that'll 330 00:22:19.480 --> 00:22:22.920 be I'll be shocked. Well, the fact that he's going to be more 331 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:26.200 like three to one or seven to two. The fact that there's twenty horses, 332 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:30.240 and there's always twenty horses and it's a crowded field. Styles make the 333 00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:36.440 fight obviously here, Uh does he sit. Do they sit in the good 334 00:22:36.519 --> 00:22:40.519 spots? Because if they're not um out, you know, front runners, 335 00:22:40.680 --> 00:22:44.519 or they got to be you know, back runners or late writer arrivals. 336 00:22:44.680 --> 00:22:49.519 You picked somebody other than forte, what does he do? Well, I'll 337 00:22:49.599 --> 00:22:52.839 let the cat out of the bag right off the bad. Here the horse 338 00:22:52.920 --> 00:22:57.480 that I picked to when the Kentucky Derby's number seventeen, Derma Sodogaki. He's 339 00:22:57.480 --> 00:23:03.880 a Japanese horse. His prep race. He won the UAE Derby in Mayden 340 00:23:03.440 --> 00:23:07.599 and I was on five or six weeks ago. A lot of people are 341 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:14.240 actually throwing this horse out, fellas, because there's a statistical negative about the 342 00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:19.279 UAE Derby. They have produced eighteen Kentucky Derby starters none of them. Zero 343 00:23:19.799 --> 00:23:23.160 of those eighteen have hit the board, meaning first, second, or third. 344 00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:29.359 So you know, that's a pretty big hill to climb. But you 345 00:23:29.480 --> 00:23:32.640 know, but when I saw this horse, you know, let me give 346 00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:36.480 a little background to myself. Usually I liked the I like futures betting, 347 00:23:36.799 --> 00:23:38.880 and I always try to find one or two horses to bet in the future 348 00:23:38.920 --> 00:23:44.079 book in the for the Kentucky Derby. I was lucky enough to have justify 349 00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:47.200 the year that he won at one hundred to one, and I was looking 350 00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:52.000 for another future book bet, and by the end of March, I hadn't 351 00:23:52.480 --> 00:23:56.240 be any horse Fellas, And then I saw this UAE Derby, and I 352 00:23:56.359 --> 00:24:02.319 was so impressed by Dermo Sartakaki that the next morning I went down to one 353 00:24:02.359 --> 00:24:06.279 of the race books in town here that offered a future book and I pump 354 00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:08.759 some money down to the hundred to one. So he's the only horse I 355 00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:12.720 have in the future book, but I got a great price on him. 356 00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:18.319 He's probably going to be around ten to one. But you know, an 357 00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:22.759 angle for liking him, Fellas. Outside of that is the fact that Japanese 358 00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:27.200 horses have been running very well internationally, whether it's England, France, Germany, 359 00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:33.440 the United States. So I think it's only a matter of time before 360 00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:37.359 one of them breaks through and wins a race like this. With twenty horses 361 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:41.359 like this in a race, are you able to kind of project what it's 362 00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:44.440 going to look like. You know who's going to be out front and where 363 00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:48.160 horses have to come from where you know with each individual horse to kind of 364 00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:51.680 get a sense of this is what their run is going to be like if 365 00:24:51.759 --> 00:24:53.720 they get this run, they win. If they don't get that run, 366 00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:57.240 they don't. I mean, there's so many horses you're trying to figure out 367 00:24:57.279 --> 00:25:03.200 what's going to happen. That is a great question, and certainly one part 368 00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:07.880 of the essence of handicapping is when I look at any race, whether it's 369 00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:11.759 the third race on Friday at Santa Anita or whatever, the first thing I 370 00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:17.200 do is I try to one identify the favorite and then try to identify if 371 00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:21.200 he's a good favorite or in quote a bad favorite meaning he's vulnerable. And 372 00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:23.480 two is I kind of break the field down as to the running styles. 373 00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:27.279 So that's something you do with any race. Twenty horses makes it a lot 374 00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:33.279 harder. It's a little more complex. But horses, like Steve mentioned with 375 00:25:33.400 --> 00:25:37.680 boxers, you have styles, so you know, horses that are dead closures 376 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:41.960 cannot change their style for any particular race. Some horses like the stalk, 377 00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:45.279 meaning you know, sitting midpack a few length off the lead, and some 378 00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:52.359 horses like to have extreme speed. This particular field, unlike last year, 379 00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:56.880 doesn't look to have as much early speed and it fellas And one angle that 380 00:25:56.960 --> 00:26:02.160 I like with Dermis sort of Gaki is he won the UAE derby going wire 381 00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:07.000 to wire. But I took a look at his other dirt wins in Japan 382 00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:11.920 and the other three wins came from off the pace, so he doesn't need 383 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:15.519 to lead. So he has the flexibility to either go to the lead or 384 00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:18.680 sit back. But there's not a lot of speed in this race, so 385 00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:22.319 it's going to set up some interesting scenarios where jockeys are trying for the same 386 00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:26.920 spot on the racetrack and they might have a might have some problems. Yeah, 387 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:30.759 that means it could be a crowded field that the quarter pole coming down 388 00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:37.200 the stretch. Wow, oh absolutely. You know, the quarter pole of 389 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:42.240 every Kentucky Derby is always like traffic gym in midtown Manhattan, because what happens 390 00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:47.519 is they've run a mile and there's a quarter a mile to go, and 391 00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:49.519 quite frankly, some of these horses don't want to go anymore, so they 392 00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:52.519 start to back up through the field. And then you've got the horses you 393 00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:56.279 are trying to rally and they're trying to get around the deadwood, and so 394 00:26:56.599 --> 00:27:00.400 you get a lot of conflict at the quarter pole. Horses trying to move 395 00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:03.839 forward and the horses that are backing up, and you've got to be lucky 396 00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:08.200 to get through. I mean remember last year Rich Strike. I mean he 397 00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:14.000 absolutely had all the luck in the world, Donny alone, just weaving in 398 00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:18.200 and out of traffic to stay clear, not have to check and get through 399 00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:22.720 on the inside. What has to happen then for fourte to not win the 400 00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:26.039 race? Uh, you know, in or to win the race? Well, 401 00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:29.519 yeah, well, first to not win the race because we want we 402 00:27:29.599 --> 00:27:30.400 want to we want to get a price, right, we want to bet 403 00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:33.960 some money on somebody's going to get it. I want the winner. But 404 00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:38.640 if Forte is the favorite, so what what has to happen to keep him, 405 00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:41.200 you know, not off the board, but out of the you know, 406 00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:47.880 from winning the race. Well, a real simple answer to that question 407 00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:51.519 is, uh, none of these horses has run a mile on a quarter, 408 00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:56.960 which is ten furlongs. Some of these horses have run eight for eight 409 00:27:56.039 --> 00:28:03.160 furlongs nine fur alongsh meaning a mile in the But it's ironic how another eighth 410 00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:07.599 of a mile from a mile in a day fill a mile and a quarter 411 00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:11.839 hits a lot of these horses right between the eyes. And you know, 412 00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:15.960 a horse like Forte might have for example of the lead at the at the 413 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:18.319 eighth pole, but he's had another eighth of a mile to run. He's 414 00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:22.319 never run that far before. And you know a lot of good horses have 415 00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:27.279 been gobbled up in the deep stretch because they just can't get that far. 416 00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:32.359 And then you have horses that are coming on. So he may actually run 417 00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:37.079 at a lot of horses run really good races in the Kentucky Derby and run 418 00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:40.119 second and third because you know, the last eighth of a mile, the 419 00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:44.200 last sixteenth of a mile, the last one hundred yards and sometimes eat these 420 00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:48.279 horses up. Which brings me to you fourth, your fourth pick, Angel 421 00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:51.599 of Empire, who has that late kick, who might be gobbling up a 422 00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:56.200 lot of those horses. Yes, he comes from a great stable. Brad 423 00:28:56.279 --> 00:29:00.279 Cox is one of the top trainers in the world, much less United States. 424 00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:06.400 And this horse lights to come from way back, and he's impressed a 425 00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:08.839 lot of people. He's impressed me enough to certainly put him on my list. 426 00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:12.359 But among the horses that are going to come from way back, yeah, 427 00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:18.519 ain't Jel of Empire certainly fits the bill. So one of your picks, 428 00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:21.519 practical move has been scratched. What's going on? Over there's a couple 429 00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:26.920 of a couple of horse has been scratched. There was this one uh trainer 430 00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:30.480 owner that you know, they've had to suspend him for a little bit. 431 00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:33.319 So there's a couple of things going on over there. But you've got a 432 00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:37.359 couple of scratches in the derby. What's up with that? Yeah, today 433 00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:41.359 it was a real wild day on social media. The trainer that had his 434 00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:45.200 horses scratched was his name is Safie Joseph Jr. He's based out of South 435 00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:52.640 Florida, done in Gulf Stream Park and Palmetto and he had the unfortunate scenario 436 00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:57.759 of two of his horses literally died on a racetrack after running a Churchill this 437 00:29:57.880 --> 00:30:03.279 week. And you know, there's still an autopsy to perform to find out 438 00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:07.240 what the reason why. But Churchill and the stewards decided to step in and 439 00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:14.359 basically take all of his entries out of their races, so he's not going 440 00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:17.920 to none of the Sappie Joseph junior horses are going to run this week. 441 00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:23.640 And another scratch the practical move who certainly is was a logical contender. I 442 00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:29.319 actually didn't hear the reason why, whether he got sick or suffered some sort 443 00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:33.000 of minor injury of some sort, but it brings a couple of horses in. 444 00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:37.000 One of them is really interesting to me, is horse called Mandur and 445 00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:42.079 Hero, who is another Japanese horse, so there'll be three Japanese horses running 446 00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:47.160 in this race. Mander and Hero last reign in the Saint Nia Derby and 447 00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:52.160 lost by literally an inch. The practical move in a three horse blanket finished 448 00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:55.920 Skinner with the other horse and he drew in off the al soligibleist. So 449 00:30:56.079 --> 00:31:00.119 both Skinner and Mandarin Harrow are now in the body of the race. Amazing 450 00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:06.160 does I haven't had a time to look at the card completely, but Baffort 451 00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:10.200 obviously can't have any horses in the rides this weekend, but he does have 452 00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:15.200 a horse or two with somebody else tied to it. Well, a lot 453 00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.599 of the horses, a lot of his better horses were sent over to Tim 454 00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:23.160 yakteen Okay, So if you see Tim Yaktein as the trainer, pretty good 455 00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:27.480 chance it's a Bafford horse, okay. And the same case for tomorrow, 456 00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:30.759 anything running tomorrow for your oaks. What are you talking about the oaks? 457 00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:38.119 Well, you know, as far as the Kentucky yolks as certainly as prestigious 458 00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:44.000 a race to win is the Derbysist for the fellies. When I hate decapped 459 00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:48.359 the race and my report for a bridgon at dot com, my top two 460 00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:52.200 choices were both from the same barn, Brad Cox, who I'd just mentioned 461 00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:56.599 with Egel of Empire and one of the Wet Paint's going to be a very 462 00:31:56.680 --> 00:32:00.759 strong favorite, maybe in the range of two to one, nine to five, 463 00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:06.680 that kind of thing. But I like the uncoupled stablemate number six Botanical, 464 00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:10.319 who's coming out of Turfway Park. He's won four straight races at Turfway 465 00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:16.680 over the Subpeter Service. But but he looks like he's got a lot of 466 00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:21.200 talent. So I went with the bigger price of the cock sources, number 467 00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:25.680 six Botanical over number seven Wet Paint in the Oaks tomorrow. Okay, okay, 468 00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:29.920 no great stuff, Thank you, Richard. And how can people I 469 00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:34.200 know that we've already got your your picks for Saturday and Friday, right, 470 00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:37.079 how can people find it? Well, there's two places to find it. 471 00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:43.240 One is to go to brisnet dot com and follow the links to get it. 472 00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:46.599 But also it's available at race Day Laws Vegas dot com. I have 473 00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:52.880 a homepage there on the Race Day Laws Vegas dot com website and actually would 474 00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:57.160 prefer people go there because you know, eliminated the middleman. But anyway, 475 00:32:58.119 --> 00:33:04.640 but the way you spell it is literally race Day Lost Vegas. This spells 476 00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:07.039 save as it sounds dot com. And you'll see my smiling face on the 477 00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:10.799 left column. Doesn't click on it and follow the follow the instructions and if 478 00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:14.839 they get it, they'll get some smiling faces on something. We want to 479 00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:19.240 see your smiling face on Friday and Saturday so particular. Yeah, thank you, 480 00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:22.920 Richard, would be talking to you for the freakness sounds good fellas elective 481 00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:29.160 weekend. Appreciate it. Richard ing from Vegas. Um, all right, 482 00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:31.559 man, there we go, there we go. It's a wide open it 483 00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:36.319 really isn't. The conversation is that you know, there're they're you know, 484 00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:39.440 so often there's Okay, this is the this is the horse. Something bad 485 00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:42.559 has to happen for this horse to win. It's kind of like there's a 486 00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:44.680 lot of horses to win this, right, right, and then again when 487 00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:46.440 you see what happened last year, it's like, yeah, holy cow, 488 00:33:47.079 --> 00:33:50.960 what the heck? Yeah, we'll see. Okay, let's let's take the 489 00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:52.519 break, come back, and maybe we'll get some calls about our discussions with 490 00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:57.759 the Laura situation. Will continue with that discussion and then also talk about dicussion 491 00:33:57.759 --> 00:34:00.079 stuff going on in the basketball as well. Stick around for all that. 492 00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:04.599 If you're an Arizona men's basketball fan, you know it's been successful for newly 493 00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:07.920 forty years. Now. Take a look back at the Ludolson era in my 494 00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:09.519 new book, Lessons from Loot. 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We're 541 00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:37.760 just coming back from break so we weren't paying attention. But that's Jay. 542 00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:42.599 I'm Steve. We're ready to talk about the Delora situation. Go ahead if 543 00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:45.199 you can. Why don't you there's news right in the last few minutes. 544 00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:52.159 Okay, Hi, you're on the air and Eye on the ball. Hey, 545 00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:55.679 good afternoon. How are you doing. What's up? Tommy? Hey? 546 00:37:57.800 --> 00:38:00.400 Right off the top. I you know this isn't blown small. There's 547 00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:05.480 a lot of reasons I'd like to listen to you guys, and a lot 548 00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:09.000 of what have to do with your history around and covering you ay, and 549 00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:14.320 I just want to you know, I just want to be complimentary and and 550 00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:19.199 how you came out forth and what's what is going on and what may or 551 00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:22.039 may not have been known and what you believe in how it should be had. 552 00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:29.320 Well, we appreciate that, you know. It's just it's I couldn't 553 00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:30.760 I tendn't think of a better way to put it. It's well put and 554 00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:35.480 it's very you know, uh, it's personal, but it's not right. 555 00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:37.480 Yeah, right, No, I think that's good way to put it. 556 00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:39.719 More news is come on what you whence we finished with you? Yeah, 557 00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:43.880 we'll explain you're okay, you're a fan though you're you're a fan. So 558 00:38:44.119 --> 00:38:49.320 what what's your first reaction to this? And do you have have you thought 559 00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:52.440 stoughted thrown enough to say this is what I think I would like to see 560 00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:58.480 them do. My first reaction is, honestly, was I sure, hope 561 00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:00.679 we didn't know about it? Yeah, And then my next reaction would have 562 00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:06.280 been what Steve said, and if we did, you know, is it 563 00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:10.039 going to come out? It's really you know, you guys know, I'm 564 00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:15.960 I'm straightforward, you of A basketball first and foremost over everything in the entire 565 00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:19.239 world that's sports. But this is you know, I'm a U of A 566 00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:22.639 guy, you know, it's it's my school. And I don't know the 567 00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:25.840 answers. Yeah, I just hope that they that they can find a way 568 00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:31.079 to choose the right thing to do, honestly and whatever that falls for. 569 00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:35.760 I mean, honestly to me, if they knew about it, you know, 570 00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:37.800 kind of and they said that too, well, what if they knew 571 00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:38.760 about it and they said, okay, then them, well how do they 572 00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:42.360 here? How do they how would they say, Okay, well now we're 573 00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:44.239 going to kick you off the team. We hit it for you. But 574 00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:47.519 yeah, I not make anything that makes all the sense. And I think 575 00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:51.719 we're at such an early stage in this that there you know, look, 576 00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:52.840 we haven't heard we haven't heard a word one from the U of A. 577 00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:57.000 Although statement from Wisconsin has come out, so we'll read that as soon as 578 00:39:57.039 --> 00:40:00.519 we're done here. But I don't know, I'm not sure what the right 579 00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:02.599 thing is. I have in my mind what I think it is, but 580 00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:06.519 I don't know if that's the right answer. So you know, we'll we'll, 581 00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:07.599 we'll, we'll say that here in a second. So, Hey, 582 00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:13.320 Tom, thanks a bunch for the call. Derby you can Hey, I 583 00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:16.599 love that you guys are covering that, you know if people don't, uh, 584 00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:20.360 you know, I appreciate you had that guy on today. And you 585 00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:22.400 know, I got I got a guy that I followed twelve months a year 586 00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:25.920 and he's a good dude and happy and he does well. The Derby is 587 00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:32.400 so exciting, right because because there's twenty horses, it's a disaster to the 588 00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:39.199 first turn and it makes it wide open. Exactly. Yeah, it's so 589 00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:44.280 much fun. Yeah, it's just so much fun. And what we do 590 00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:49.480 is I've said this to Steve Rivera before, my favorite horse to pick in 591 00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:57.239 the Derby is all and first and third and like look at look at the 592 00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:01.920 year authentic one as the third favorite, but tis the law the scratch favorite 593 00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:07.400 running second. We had two tries that paid twelve hundred thirty dollars each. 594 00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:12.760 Big chase, you get that big bomb exactly. Okay, Well we'll be 595 00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:15.480 on it. Man. That there wasn't said to be a lot of speed 596 00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:21.440 figure into this thrace, but guess what a lot of the speed horses happen 597 00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:23.480 to be in gates two, four, six, and seven and they can't 598 00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:30.719 just stand around right along with his seventeen Yeah sok hey, thanks Tommy, 599 00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:36.920 appreciate it. Good look. Yeah, so go ahead, okay, let 600 00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:39.000 me let me, let me go to the And this was this was tweeted 601 00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:44.400 out because it was a response to Link Kawano, who was the right writer 602 00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:49.679 for the Honolulup paper. They came up with this. Yeah from from this 603 00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:53.440 from Patrick Herb, director of Communications and Brand Strategy at Wisconsin Athletics, is 604 00:41:53.440 --> 00:42:00.400 in response to your inquiry on comote E Comoe loop to, I'm going to 605 00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:05.719 pronounce it. The u W Athletics UWB in Wisconsin released the following statement. 606 00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:10.360 At the time of Wisconsin football student athlete Como E. Latu's initial enrollman at 607 00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:15.360 UW Madison, the matter being reported involving Latto was not known to UW Athletics 608 00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:20.159 officials. That's saying at the time of his enrollment. As described, the 609 00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:22.199 matter relates to Latto when he was a miner, and the juvenile records are 610 00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:27.880 sealed. Last fall, UW Madison officials became aware of the civil suit filed 611 00:42:27.920 --> 00:42:31.159 in the matter based on the information available to the UW Madison Office of Legal 612 00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:37.199 Affairs and UW Athletics officials, the matter being reported that involved lat Too prior 613 00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:42.039 to his time as a college student does not violate the UW Athletics Student Athlete 614 00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:47.719 Discipline Policy, University misconduct policies, or reporting or disclosure requirements. Law Too 615 00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:53.920 remains a member of the Wisconsin football team. Simple Day came out and said 616 00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:58.320 the right away, what did you say after you heard read that? What 617 00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:01.559 did you say that this? I think Arizona is gonna put their logo on 618 00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:07.519 this. It's gonna say, uh, either Matt Answer or somebody from the 619 00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:10.000 you of a football office, and it's gonna be big, and they're gonna 620 00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:15.280 replace Lattu's name. Right if in fact they didn't know, if they didn't 621 00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:19.719 know when he enrolled, And that's the biggest question, the question, so 622 00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:22.519 well, when we were talking about you know two things, there's two. 623 00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:24.480 There's two. You know, if you're looking at a flow chart, there's 624 00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:29.360 there's two starting points. They knew or they didn't know, correct, We 625 00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:31.679 already talked about if they didn't. If they knew, then we need an 626 00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:36.320 answer as to why this was okay. If they didn't know, then why 627 00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:39.119 didn't they know or when did they find out? And then what was the 628 00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:44.400 response or reaction when they found out? Yeah, there we go, another 629 00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:47.639 call. All right, higher on the R and I on the ball. 630 00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:55.559 H James, Hey Jings, what are your thoughts? Pretty sad to hear 631 00:43:55.599 --> 00:44:00.760 it's not unbelievable that this could happen. But uh, even if you have 632 00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:05.039 agents didn't know at the time, they know now they need to do the 633 00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:07.960 right thing for the university, in the school and the sports program as a 634 00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:12.519 whole. What would be the right thing moving on from that player? Ah, 635 00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:16.880 yeah, I don't know about that. That's tough because this my question 636 00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:20.800 is to everyone else. Then if they knew it at the time, they 637 00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:22.400 went into recruit him, but now they know now, now it's okay. 638 00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:27.199 I don't see that as being an acceptable solution. And that's and that's kind 639 00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:29.920 of sort of down the road where I was going to say, if this 640 00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:35.360 happened today, right, if the incident occurred, let's say over the weekend, 641 00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:37.760 they found out about it today, he would have a minimum be suspended 642 00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:42.159 while they investigated it, and if they determined that he was guilty of the 643 00:44:42.280 --> 00:44:45.000 act, he probably would be kicked off the team. We'll look at Elliott 644 00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:50.320 Pits. Well, we don't need to go there because nothing. I don't 645 00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:52.920 want to go there. But I don't think the university needs to do the 646 00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:54.880 right thing. You know, it's not it's easy to do the right things. 647 00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:58.840 One tough, the one it's tough, but that when it shows your 648 00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:04.239 true character and your and if you're a class institution. And unfortunately he did 649 00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:07.400 plead guilty. I guess as a minor, and you know, it's a 650 00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:09.599 civil case and now it's bought to light and I think the university just needs 651 00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:14.440 to do the right things as hard as it is. Right, I don't 652 00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:16.920 think. I don't think you're alone and thinking that. There's been a lot 653 00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:20.000 of you know, this has been all over social Media's been a lot of 654 00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:22.400 people have said, you need to move on from him. Um, I'm 655 00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:25.000 assuming. I think the first thing we need to know is how how did 656 00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:28.599 we get to hear? Yeah? Right, James, I'm assuming you go 657 00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:30.800 to football games, right, Yeah, But I'm not going to be renewing 658 00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:34.480 my I'm not getting season tickets this year if he's still on the team. 659 00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:37.079 Okay, That's why I wanted to go with it. Would you cheer him 660 00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:38.960 if he was still the quarterback? Now? So that's a neuro I can't. 661 00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:43.239 Yeah, I'm sure it doesn't matter about how great of an athlete you 662 00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:45.760 are. If this is in your past, then I'm sorry. I believe 663 00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:49.320 in second chances. But unfortunately, if you they didn't know, now they 664 00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:51.840 know they can need to do the right thing, and if they were hiding 665 00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:53.519 it before, then they need to do the right thing still. And he 666 00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:57.800 needs to go to a different school at this point when people know exactly what's 667 00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:00.280 on the on the plate, right, Yeah, no, I hear you. 668 00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:01.559 Okay, thanks, appreciate it, Thank you, Thank you, guys, 669 00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:05.320 you thanks for calling. You know, And something I said a long 670 00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:09.519 time ago Steve and things like this is that you know, being a college 671 00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:13.519 athlete is a privilege. Yeah, right, not a right, it's a 672 00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:22.920 privilege. And along the way, you can't do things that or you should 673 00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:24.679 be required to forfeit that privilege. He can, he can still be a 674 00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:28.239 student at the University of Arizona. He can move on with his life, 675 00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:31.960 right, he can do all these things. But should he be allowed the 676 00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:38.719 privilege of continuing to be and represent the University of Arizona. That tough question. 677 00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:43.840 Let's go to the next question. You're because you were so adamant, 678 00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:47.360 you were so adamant on the Alabama thing, go ahead and give him the 679 00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:54.760 news. Well, uh, Jayden Bradley, the basketball player who have signed 680 00:46:54.800 --> 00:47:00.119 with Arizona yesterday. Everybody's the guard out of Alabama. Um. And I 681 00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:04.079 mentioned this briefly because I was still trying to make sure we had it right. 682 00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:05.960 I mention briefly at the end of the show, you had you had 683 00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:12.679 left was the player who, yeah, who was with Brandon Miller at the 684 00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:19.400 at the scene of that shooting of of the woman. Uh in Alabama. 685 00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:23.599 We were certain that Brandon Miller at the very least needed to be suspended from 686 00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:27.639 you know, at least for a while to figure out what was going on. 687 00:47:27.760 --> 00:47:30.119 They didn't do that, and we were highly critical of that. Jade 688 00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:34.960 Bradley was with Brandon Miller. Now, it wasn't his car. He's not 689 00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:38.400 the one that drove the weapon over there, and by all accounts, Brandon 690 00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:40.440 Miller didn't even hand the weapon. He drove the car to the guy. 691 00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:45.199 The other guy came got the gun and the incident happened. You know, 692 00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:50.320 what does what does what should be done about Jaden Bradley? Right right? 693 00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:52.320 So should he have been suspended as well? Should both of them have been 694 00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:57.440 suspended? Now we were again we were highly critical that Brandon Miller should have 695 00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:01.599 been Jaden Bradley too. I don't know. Well, there's a guy on 696 00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:06.039 my Facebook. I pushed this history once I heard that he had committed to 697 00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:08.920 Arizona. Um, Chris bred He's it's public. He's on my Facebook now. 698 00:48:09.159 --> 00:48:12.519 A risky and desperate move. I sent this to you right now, 699 00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:15.119 said risky and desperate move. He was at the scene of a shooting in 700 00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:19.800 Alabama. Where's where a young woman was murdered. I don't care how good 701 00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:23.000 he might be extremely disappointed. Well, where where I differ with that? 702 00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:28.840 It's not It's not desperate, Tommy Lloyd's not desperate. The question is, 703 00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:34.400 you know, what's the standard, right and how much did they vet this? 704 00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:38.039 And you know it did did they did they go talk to the cops? 705 00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:42.280 What role did Jaden Bradley happen this if any and if they said, 706 00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:45.320 look, he just happened to be there. He was a passenger in the 707 00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:47.840 car. You know, he was a passenger's car. He had no idea 708 00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:52.280 what was going on and then this happened. That's the case, then then 709 00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:55.920 fine. But if you know Brandon Miller and Jane Bradley and where over the 710 00:48:57.000 --> 00:48:58.840 saying, hey man, there's a fight going on, the guns in the 711 00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:00.800 back, you know that we'll get you know, and then it happens, 712 00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:05.519 there's a little more culpability there to the whole thing, which was where I 713 00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:08.840 was with Brandon Miller. Brandon Miller knew knew he was taking the gun to 714 00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:13.079 the scene. Did Jade Miller also know? I don't know. Yeah, 715 00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:15.920 I know. It's well, we don't know until we know the slippery slope 716 00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:23.360 for both about for both of these things, I'm a little less um opposed. 717 00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:27.079 I guess I don't know if that's the right word to the Jade Bradley 718 00:49:27.159 --> 00:49:34.360 thing. Then I think where I'm going with I really am well, I 719 00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:38.480 think that de Laura for whatever reason, now n I L or n L 720 00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:44.679 I right, UM will partly dry up. Yeah? Are you going to 721 00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:47.840 support right whether he's playing or not playing? Yeah? Are you gonna? 722 00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:52.039 Are you gonna continue to have this guy endorse your company, your product, 723 00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:59.559 you whatever it is? Um, it's unfortunate it's unfortunate, and you know 724 00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:02.159 the there's the whole well he was only sixteen thing with bull crap. I 725 00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:06.239 know when I was sixteen nine, you not to rape a girl, right, 726 00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:07.960 right? And you can say that because it was he got he was, 727 00:50:08.119 --> 00:50:13.960 he admitted that he did. Yeah, that's why this is so that 728 00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:16.320 one I don't that. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna hear that argument. 729 00:50:17.239 --> 00:50:23.079 The question is, you know, as James said, you know, what 730 00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:28.400 is a second chance for Jade delora As? Does a second chance mean he 731 00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:31.519 still gets to play college football? Or does a second chance just mean he 732 00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:35.800 didn't have to go to jail, he can still go to college and he 733 00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:37.599 can go on with his life. You know, how far do you get 734 00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:42.480 to do you get to go? You got this tough, tough call, 735 00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:45.960 tough call on every level, beginning with the admit thought in your mind? 736 00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:50.039 What you know, what do you want them to do? No, it's 737 00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:52.559 not my decision. I know it's not your decision. But do you have 738 00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:54.400 an opinion as I know, because I don't know what I would do it? 739 00:50:54.559 --> 00:50:59.360 No, no, no, this is a tough, tough call. 740 00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:01.679 There's no right answer. Maybe there is, and I don't know what it 741 00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:06.239 is. I'm glad it's not my decision, you know. I mean I 742 00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:07.719 think I try. I think back to things that happen, you know, 743 00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:10.880 at the time Alvin Smith shot a gun. Yeah, you know he got 744 00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:15.559 suspended. Well you know there was and they ended up taking him back. 745 00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:17.880 There was on a football I know under rich Rod took a player or two 746 00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:22.880 with his players with history, right, and it was kind of it came 747 00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:24.599 and it went, Yeah, it was one day, this is what I'm 748 00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:27.760 doing. This is why we did it, and we moved on from it. 749 00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:30.719 But it wasn't not as serious as this. Uh and you know because 750 00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:36.079 you follow it. Um, this is different. Like I said, I 751 00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:38.480 just keep going back to the too. How would you handle this if this 752 00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:43.760 occurred today? And I think you have to look at it that way man, 753 00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:45.760 And maybe I'm wrong, you know, And I'm not a lawyer, 754 00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:51.960 right, What rights does Jaden Delora have as somebody who this is in his 755 00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:57.039 juvenile past. Yeah, the records are sealed. Um, it's been adjudicated. 756 00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:02.199 He's gotten whatever he was gonna get for the crime, right, you 757 00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:06.920 know, whatever they did in juvenile court. If he had to go to 758 00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:09.480 some counseling or whatever. Uh as we said, he had to do an 759 00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:14.760 apology. What you know, how much you know what's next for him? 760 00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:15.960 You don't have an answer to the question you just asked me, right, 761 00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:21.639 No, okay, I really do because it's tough, it really is. 762 00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:23.239 All right, there's all kinds of other breaking news. We're here at the 763 00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:25.800 top of the hour. We're gonna be back right right after the break with 764 00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:28.320 other breaking news. Chick around