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Hi. My name is Tom Welling. I played Clark Ken on Smallville and

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you are listening to Always Hold On
to Smallville. Welcome to Always hold a

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Smallville. On this podcast, we
talk about each and every episode of the

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Young Superman show that round from two
thousand and one to two thousand and eleven

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on the WB and the c W
Armor Hosack Moore and I'm joined this week

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by from Always hold On to Star
Wars. Chris hughs what's up, Chris?

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Hello there, Ah, star Wars? When did that become a thing?

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Because obviously, obviously Obi one says
that it's first line in a New

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Hope, right, he pulls back
the hood, he's like, I know

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that, And then Ian McGregor does
it in episode three when he jumps down

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the general grievous and that was a
callback. But I feel like at some

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point over the last because when that
was not a thing, whenever the three

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came out, it was like,
oh, that's a fun thing. But

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over the last few years the internet
has made it like his thing. But

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did he say on the Clone Wars
a lot or something or yeah, now

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I'm sure it's I'm sure it's a
whole huge thing. Because of meme culture.

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Yeah, and Jeff's I couldn't tell
you when, but I'm I'm enjoying

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it. Oh, I love it. I that's my what. I have

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nothing else to say. I say, hello there, I need I needed

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something to be my thing when we
introduced on the shows. Now, so

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it's right, all right, well
we are talking about Bulletproof. I am

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not going to sing the song though
you care enough, that's all right,

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Bulletproof. This episode, man,
I had not much memory of it.

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I remember that Dan Turpin was in
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well, the actor was in Small
Ofville before as a different character several years

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before. And I remember Clark Go's
undercover as a cop. And I remember

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Marshama Hunter getting shot and Doctor Hamilton
the second Doctor Hampton's showing up. And

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that was really the extent of my
memory. And boy, oh boy,

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there's there are some things in this
episode that either they date extremely poorly or

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they are extremely relevant, and I'm
not sure where they fall on that spectrum.

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But man, rewatching this, I
had to like whoa like? You

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probably saw the tweet I made back
when I was watching it. What did

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you experience a similar feeling? Rewatching
this episode definitely since seeing your your tweet.

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But from I try to these shows
are an escape for me, so

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when they when they correlate to the
real world, I try to take myself

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out of it a little bit.
But you know, we can only do

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that so much, especially with how
relevant some of these things have come in

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Smallville based on certain characters and their
real life exposure. But uh, you

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know, I try to take things
for what they are in the show,

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and clearly they can mean a lot
of other different things, but for what

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it was for this episode, I
enjoyed it. Yeah, you know,

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art is what you bring to it
obviously, so it's you know, it's

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it's the roy shock test of your
experiences and what's going on with you.

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I just like to me, and
this is what I said that in that

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tweet a while back as it is
recording, because because I tweeted that,

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like the night I watched this episode, I was like, you know,

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subterranean and this so far like the
two most like we're gonna try and talk

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about important and I'm like, maybe
you shouldn't have in that way, Like

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I think I think the idea of
this episode is solid, right, It's

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like Clark's undercover as a cop,
and and and and there's just you know,

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obviously their story potential there. I
just just just some of the some

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of the things that they like,
the lines that they say, in the

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way they say. I'm like,
oh, but but well, we'll talk

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about that as we go anyway.
No, this is an escape, right,

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and that's what this is all about. We're here to have fun.

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We have a good time. Um. But sometimes you just can't ignore it

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when it's so blatantly interfacing, because
you know, they're not all bad Chris.

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For me, it was more the
memory of the episode for what it

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was when I saw the first time, is Superman learning from real life people

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who sacrifice himself, who aren't bulletproof
like him, and the difference that they

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can make and the sacrifices that they
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So learning about protecting the people around
you, You're brothers, as they

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say frequently in this episode, having
a family to go home to, and

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wondering like how do you how do
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think that was a lesson that Smallville
Clark really had to learn and tried to

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apply to Lana. But yeah,
that's the conclusion that they kept. No,

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I didn't remember. I do remember
the end of the decisions he makes,

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and I was like, oh,
it's because we're in We're in the

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second half of the season eight now, Chris, and this whole first half

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I've been like, well, you
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eight, the first the first first
half season, they're pretty good, and

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you know, we're in this stretch
of there's no Lois, there's no Jimmy,

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there's one Davis. That's like a
big percentage of your regular cast members.

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And it's like, I don't know, it's the rules they put on

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Smallville, right, like you can
only have er gard rants for xcellent episodes

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or even Aaron Ashmore, right,
same deal, because these were these are

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quote unquote that's a new buzz word, right, legacy characters, right,

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Star wars as, you know,
that's the buzzword over. I think that's

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where I first heard that term,
and people, well, you know how

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Disney handle's legacy characters like leg as
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I think we all understand what the
meaning is and it's like the the and

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we continue to see it no matter
regimes come and go and want her brothers.

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But this strange approach to like you
can use these characters here but not

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there, and only so much here
and then and you know all that stuff.

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It's strange and so run this.
We had such a great run of

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Lois and Clark and their vibe and
like the like setting up like what we've

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all been working towards, you know, for them on this show. They

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had won me over finally with Lois
because they let her be Lois, as

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I've said many times. And then
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Lana And that's another huge factor of
this episode. And this is like I

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didn't look Bride and even Legion.
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We needed to bring her back,
like we needed to address her a

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dear John video was not going to
cut it to write her off the show,

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right, because she was the depending
on you know where people's fandom lies,

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the second or third most imp character
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him third after Lex. Yes,
I agree, but you can't just do

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that. And you know she came
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in this way, and I was
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now, and we'll then we'll hash
some of that out as we go,

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because I think what's funny is Clark
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he keeps like he knows he knows
better, right, but unfortunately he chooses

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to learn the wrong lessons. It
kind of falls back right and this is

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where we start doing her. You
know, you went five steps forward with

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season eight, but I've gone ten
steps back to the point there's even a

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lining here. We're like, oh, you look like you're feel like we're

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fourteen again. I'm like, no, it's not what we want, Clark,

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That's not what we want this season. So because you were, you

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were digging season eight up to this
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I was, and I still am. I'm gonna say it. The

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thing about Lana for me is I'm
my fandom is I like, I like

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what they did in the in the
eighties reboot with John Byrne, where like

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they were high school sweethearts. He
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She understood, she knew the secret
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they were never It was never romantic
after that again. And small Belle she

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was the love of his life early
on, that's fine, but now she's

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been gone for what they does she
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something like that, something like that. Yeah, I'm okay with her coming

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back, and I actually enjoyed it
because we can get these closure pieces that

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Clark wants. I just wish it
didn't turn into romantic because even in this

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episode that calls out Clark and Lois
are heading in that direction. You know

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that that's well we know, as
Superman fans should be endgame. But back

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in the day, maybe Smallville was
gonna do something different. But for me,

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I was happy with her. I
like her character in this episode other

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than what it means in relationship to
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she was just like a friend,
just pass well, like like they have

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Lana and Clark on Supermanilois. Yes, yes, absolutely, Yeah, so

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an unfair comparison because that's like,
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they figured it out on the CW. But yeah, so so there's there's

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a lot going on here, right, There's a lot going on here,

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and let's get into it. Bulletproof. I sacrifice everything I love for the

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greater good. But if the rest
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We're talking about killing man. Life
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to protect that is an amazing gift. Both of us are driven to do

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this, even if we can't do
it together. Smallville All new episode next

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Thursday, eight seventh Central on the
CW Bulletproof. It's the twelfth episode of

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Smallville's eighth season and aired on January
twenty second, two thousand and nine.

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Was written by Brian Q Miller and
directed by Morgan Beggs. Bryan hum Miller

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this is his second writing credit on
the show. He had written Committed earlier

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this season, and he goes on
to be a prolific writer for the rest

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of the series and goes on to
write the Smallville comic book, which which

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you're pointing at. You're collected smallvel
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and Bryan hum Miller, you know, he's a combook writer as well,

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So like he was like this perfect
like in between the foot in one world,

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one foot and the other, which
the show hadn't had for a while,

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like they had Jeff Loebe in the
earlier seasons, they had Jeff John's

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coming, you know, once a
season and ride an episode and in this

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last phase of the show. But
but someone who had a solid foot on

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each side of things like the TV
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and I think that helps. You
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you have deep Superman lower characters like
Dan Turpin and Emil Hamilton and then hints

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at the future Justice League in their
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you know, let's let's talk about
Dan Turpin real quick now in Smallville

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the official magazine number thirty two,
available wherever books are sold. There's an

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interview with David pat Caw, who
played Dan Turpin in this episode, and

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we'll talk a little bit more about
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But I had an inserting fact to
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when Dan Turpin first appeared in the
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forty two in nineteen forty two.
Is that when he was named Brooklyn?

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Yes, yes, yes, Danny
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came back as Daniel Turpin in New
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And that's the that's the version that
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for example, that's probably his most
iconic iteration, Terrible Turpin. Yea,

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and yeah, that's a whole what
a what an arc he had on that

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show. Right. I can't wait
to see Dan Turpin and small will come

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back when they have dark Side in
season ten, right, Chris, because

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clearly he'll come back right, well, looking at it as we watched it,

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when the show happened the show,
this episode creates a nice introduction.

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They have a relationship. At the
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see maybe down the line when Clark
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the Metropolis PD that he's got somebody
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but not the next two years though, No, No, Maggie Sawyer either

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because because they to me, I
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Animated series. So to me,
it was like Dan Turpin, Maggie Say.

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And when Maggie Sawyer showed up on
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cool, that is an excellent reference. And then she was in sprinkled in

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you know, throughout seasons two through
seven, and ironically you get to season

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eight, whether're in Metropolis and she's
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the timing of things on small them. Right. You have the right idea,

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but it just didn't quite a line, right, you know what I

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mean? Yeah? Mentally from the
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I think some of the storylines that
they have are great comic runs. All

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right. And during the ratings,
watch here in season eight, Chris for

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a little context. The previous episode, Legion got four point two nine million

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viewers. In the season premiere,
Odyssey got four point three four million viewers.

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So one week later, Bulletproof,
what do you think the ratings were

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for this episode? Following up an
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it maybe went up a little bit. I'm gonna say four point three one.

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You would think, so, all
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wouldn't it, wouldn't it? Yeah, But that wouldn't be the case.

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Three point eight five. Wow.
I guess people specifically tuned in for the

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Legion and they were like, okay, cool, and then tune back out

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the next week because that that's you
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drop. That's that's that's a drop. So three point eight five million,

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and there was no break or anything
was the next week so interesting. Maybe

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they just maybe that whole cop story
you didn't appeal to people who are here

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for all their superhero action. But
there you have. It's a three point

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eighty five million viewers for this episode. So we get our previously on Smallville?

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Which which did you watch these?
When you watch these episodes? So

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the DVDs have the option, the
Blue Races include it, the Hulu includes

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it, So did you watch these
previously ons when you watch the show?

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I do because I like to see
when they point out things that happened in

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you know, like maybe three four
seasons ago, so then you know this

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is coming up. Well, I
really like this one because it's narrated by

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by Phil Morris. Begin he's like
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it's Filmris, right, and it
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restore Clark's powers and kind of what's
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now. And so so you're you're
watching, you're like, this is going

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to to be a Martian man Hunter
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but it's he he's you know,
he's he bookends the episode, but it

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is like, oh, man,
and this kind of should not not that

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this was ever discussed, Like,
I don't know if it was ever discussed,

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because I know for a fact the
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all discussed in various forms, not
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Alkaman proved, not even necessarily the
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all like, oh, well,
these are characters have potential that we can

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maybe spin off. I don't know
if that was ever discussed about Martian Man

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Hunter. But and I don't think
the CW in two thousand and eight or

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nine was like the best place to
have a Phil Morris led Detective John Jones

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show, right, But I would
have wrote a law in Order Metropolis with

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with Phil Morris, right, Phil
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backdoor pilot there you go. This
is your cops that you break in,

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Maggie Slawy. You're like, it's
all right there for you. It's just

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you look at it now, like
and what we've seen happened in the arrow

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verse. You're like, you would
you would circle this like, oh,

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this is where they spun off the
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fine. They weren't thinking that way. That doesn't make it bad or anything.

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It's just like I really loved Marsha
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of this show, I've discovered that
he was a much smaller part than I

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ever I ever thought, because he's
there for some major stuff, but he

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pops in and out. Yeah.
I don't think this is the first episode

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of his where he's been a main
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episode either. It's even pray earlier
this season, right, I mean he

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was in Odyssey, so we're you
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been in three, right, He's
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far. So I'm like, this
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yeah, and honestly, he shows
up the very end and Pray, he

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kind of shows up to kind of
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He's got a couple of scenes,
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When I first saw him in this
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character. It's just so good,
right, and you know, he's a

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characracker. He's been a star trek
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a good actor, like he's legit. And this guy could have anchored a

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show, I think, and I
can put it again, I don't.

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I don't think the CW in two
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for that kind of show. So
that rule is really no place for it,

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you know what I mean. Could
have someday maybe, but we uh,

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we cut our first action scene and
Detective Jones he's he's in his car

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and a in a chase with a
with a perp and we see his little

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uh Rivery marrs in a little Martian
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was I like that. People might
hear him what I talk about on the

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show him and be like Zach probably
hated that. No, I actually thought

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that was charming stuff like that.
It was cute. It was cute.

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I mean, they're they're shoot everything
real tight, and I you know,

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I you relate, don't really need
the scope, but it's sure, it's

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the streets in Metropolis. It's the
backstreets of Metropolis. Sure, but this

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guy gets out of his car,
he's running to the streets and John Jones

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slams him up against the fans and
then on the ground, he says,

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you're on the arrest for three counts
of murder. Like this guy's serious,

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let's say no like shoplifting, right, this guy's a serious, serious criminal.

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by himself, which kind of goes

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to the whole lone Wolf discussion they
have later about him. But detective taken

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him three time killer down by himself. What was really weird to me,

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Chris, I don't know if you
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after he arrests the guy, there's
just there's just random like three establishing shots

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of Metropolis like stock footage, and
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rest of the cops are there.
I'm like, why was that needed?

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Like I didn't passage of time,
But all you had to do was I

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think we'd understand, you know,
yeah, with the cops the other cops

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show. It was just very Someone
was watching this and probably felt, you

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know, what we need to when
you show some time right, like you

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said, you want to jump right
into the action sequence, So you're not

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going to do the establishing chats before
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I guess that must be what it
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the uh suspaccino, he's been put
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car and and they seem to have
this real weird attitude, Like these cops

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have a real weird attitude towards John
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you're like, Okay, what what's
going on here? I'm sure this will

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pay off, And it immediately does
because marshat Manner he gets shot like immediately

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after this, like straight to the
heart. Yeah, like they were shooting

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to kill. And uh, there's
a there's a reveal you can pull back,

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and it's the reveal of the guy
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PD badge and that Superman shield.
See that's that's the thing, right,

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Like you're being too cute Smallville,
Like he didn't Metropolis speed. He didn't

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even have a Superman you know,
it's it's a common shape. No,

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No, the octagon, this is
a common shape. They're all common you

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know. I laugh about the octagon
being a common shape. Just side,

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don't um. My kid when he
was like two or three, knew what

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an octagon was and it shocked me. And then come to find out it

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was from like Mickey Mouse Clubhouse.
But the first time he said octagon,

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and I'm like, how do you
know what an octagon is? My first

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thought in my head is small,
but it's a common shape, all that

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small. But you're watching when he
was a kid, just osmosis into his

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brain. It's my own fault.
But you think, you know, you're

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you're watching this and you're like,
oh, you see John Jones and leading

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on the street, all right,
and then you see the reveal of the

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Metropolis Pedi badge. You're like,
oh, we're gonna do some modest set.

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You're waiting, But no, I
thought so it's so interesting to rewatch

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these episodes. They don't remember that
well and like anticipate that and then they're

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like, whoa, we're not We're
still going. It just seems like such

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an obvious place, But no,
that's not what we do. We cut

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from there to the hospital, so
we got a hospital visit plus one and

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I'll take I'll take a screenshot of
these of these files that Clark and Launa

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are talking about. But she's there
to bring him coffee after work, and

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he's like, after work, he's
lost all track of time. Right,

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but this is what did you think
of this? Uh? This meet up

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at the hospital between them goes to
show he's even Lana can't break his uh

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focus on work right now. I
guess Uh. In the past, Lana

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would have been everything. Now he's
got something. It's a little more important

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that she's gonna move back into the
to its focus again soon, but right

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now work is important. Well,
Martia Manhunter even said it in his previous

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episode I'm Pretty He's like, you're
obsessed. You need to find a better

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balance here, and that's true.
But Clark, I can hate this Clark

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as a guy of extremes, so
he's like, eiy're all doing this or

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he's all focused on alta. There's
no one between for this guy. We'll

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get there at the end. But
he says he's been sacrificing everything for the

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greater good up into this point.
Everything a lot is a fan of the

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new look for Clark. Yeah,
I was about to go there, you

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must be turning heads left and right. Well he didn't notice. Yeah,

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it's like a lot. You can't
be saying that, like to your meeting

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up with your axe. So you
were in love with and you had a

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horrible set of circumstances to lead to
you being ripped apart from each other,

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and you're gonna come back in here
with this kind of dialogue. M You

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wonder what her motivations are right now, Well, we know what her motivations

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are. She wants to she wants
to be him and uh, take LEAs

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down and that's priority number one.
But she's kind of she's kind of getting

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pulled back into it. She's staying
longer than she planned on, she's having

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coffee meetups, so clearly she's a
little bit conflicted herself. Well, she's

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sticking around to it to maybe see
what happened to do the creature that took

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Chloe, because even though there's no
Doomsday or day was boom for a while,

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a lot is going to remind us
of that plot line and Clark does

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miss Yeah, that's that must be
right. But he mentioned the night Watchman

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and two Amuless ambulance drivers. Uh, we're murdered the night of Chloe and

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Jimmie's wedding, So that that you
know, we saw that happen. Unfortunately

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we didn't know about the two ambulance
drivers, Like damn Davis. He was

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on quite quieter. I guess there
was the two bodies in those trash bags

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that he took to the dumpster.
But a lot of was like, I

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should probably leave you to it,
and uh, next rounds on Clark and

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then it says this is a little
contrived because Clark is just in the lobby

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of the hospital as they happened to
be wheeling in John Jones, what do

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you think of this? Yeah,
you're getting you're getting corner. Well maybe

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because it was hot. It was
an ambulance driver he was looking at records.

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Sure, contrived for sure, but
not the worst that some moth has

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ever done. Well, it just
to me was talking about the structure of

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the episode, like, if I
were to re edit this episode, I

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would have cut the opening credits with
the reveal of the badge, right because

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like we there's no new stakes.
The only new stakes now are like,

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oh, now Clark knows about it. So we cut the opening credits.

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We come back and we're the same
location. Clark's like still in the same

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spot looking through the window. You
know, it's like, dude, I

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don't I don't know why they structured
it that way, you know what I

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mean. Yeah, they wanted they
wanted an early Clark and Lana scene and

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they had to find a way to
give it to you. Well, but

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it would have been fine, like
after the opening credits, I think,

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true, you know what I mean, like that, that's my deal.

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But but we say, hey,
we got our first appearance of doctor Emil

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Hamilton Chris, the second doctor Hamilton's
on the show. Does he have any

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lines in this episode? I can't
remember. He does have a smattering of

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why throughout this episode, but it's
not it's not like a strong character introduction

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here for him. He's just kind
of in the background. And Wendy cast

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got like Alessandro Giuliani, who is
in bast You ever watch BSG, Chris?

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I have not. Oh, it's
so good, it's not my list

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to go back. He is one
of the many, many, many Baustar

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Galactica alumni. He were on smallvill
He played at mister Gata for several years

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on the show before this. Yeah, and so it was funny like,

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oh, it's Gaeta's on He's on
Smallville, and of course he's the second

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Doctor Hamlim because we had Doctor Stephen
Hamilton in the first couple of seasons and

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at that time we thought, oh, this is their version of that guy.

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But as Smallville continues on and on
and they're like, oh, we

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already did that character like Supergirl,
let's do her again, but with a

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more accurate version ish, And that's
what we're getting with with Doctor Hamilton here.

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You know, Oliver comes in just
to kind of check out what's going

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on, and of course like,
oh, we gotta get him out of

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there, that they're not gonna what
they're doing, and Oliver was like,

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oh, because he's Marshall, Like
when when was this information shared? I

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think that's the point. It wasn't
because Clark shocked that they're working together,

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that he knows of him. Maybe
after maybe after John Jones saw that he

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was close with Clark, he took
advantage, well he did. Oliver does

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mentioned that that Marja Manhunters got him
out of a few tight straits of the

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police, which is interesting. And
then some good kind of duty here because

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Oliver's like, you know, I
figured after I got poisoned, I figure

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we guys like us should have a
specialist on call, which which is a

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smart thing, and that's ultimately what
Doctor Hamilton is. Well, he's got

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that tech guy in the plane on
call too, now right Fi fi bro,

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He's expanding the team that's smart and
create me if I'm wrong? Is

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there ever a Star Labs in Smallville? If there is, it's a passing

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comment, But I can't think of
anything. I remember they mentioned Cadmus Labs,

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like they mentioned that in season one, and then it comes back in

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a big way in season ten obviously
with the Clones. But like star It's

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funny how like Star Labs and the
comics like that's where Doctor Hamilton is.

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in the in the DCAU that's Star Labs

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as well, and he's like Superman's
like scientist guy. And then you know,

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Lewis and Clark was a huge state
Doctor Klein the last couple of years

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of the show. Um, but
but Star Labs just it's kind of more

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become a flash thing because not only
the not only the the Arrow Verse star

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Labs obviously, but even in the
nineteen ninety the Flash Show there was Star

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Labs, and so it's it's it's
cool how it's like this DC comic thing.

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But it's just I would have I'm
kind of shocked that Smallville never had

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a star Labs. Yeah, me
too, I I want to I'm sure

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I would guess that they probably made
a passing comment at some point. Well,

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you have to keep an eye out. We'll keep an eye out,

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and if we missed it already,
I'm sorry, and please leave it in

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00:27:34.599 --> 00:27:38.119
the comments. But but Clark Clark, he mention. She's like, oh,

405
00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:41.839
yeah, John Jones, he want
to meet with me after shift to

406
00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:45.480
talk about something. And it's like, was he gonna meet you at the

407
00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:49.799
hospital, because that's that's kind of
gidiot. Did they ever get to what

408
00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:52.920
he wanted to talk to about?
Oh? I believe. I believe it

409
00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:57.519
was this this whole situation probably,
But I do like this is where we

410
00:27:57.559 --> 00:28:02.160
see like kind of the the clashing
ideologies of Clark and Oliver. He's like,

411
00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:06.759
if he'd never get sacrifices powers to
for me to save me, then

412
00:28:06.759 --> 00:28:08.240
he wouldn't be in the situation.
Oliver's like, yeah, now you're guilty,

413
00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:11.119
and I'll that your whole thing.
But you know, let's let's move

414
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:14.000
past that and let's actually get to
work here, So I like that by

415
00:28:14.119 --> 00:28:15.880
between them. Yeah, I'd like
especially when Oliver does that, when he

416
00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:19.359
puts him in check about things like
that, because he can relate himself.

417
00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:23.039
I'm sure he's done things as the
Green Arrow that have put himself in similar

418
00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:26.720
situations, but understanding that you need
to rise above that. You can't blame

419
00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:30.599
yourself, can't retreat back and say
this is my fault. Just go do

420
00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:37.119
something about it. It's your point
about this being kind of proto Justice League

421
00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:41.440
forming discussion. Oliver's like, you
know what, let's face a teamwork has

422
00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:45.039
never really been our thing. So
you go follow your leads. I'll go

423
00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:48.079
follow my leads and then we'll just
meet up later and like, come on,

424
00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:52.440
y'all, like you were stronger together, okay, and yet you're you're

425
00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:56.240
just doing your own thing. But
that shows you that the fractured nature of

426
00:28:56.400 --> 00:29:00.279
whatever he's left with the Justice League
at this point of the show. Yeah,

427
00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:02.599
it wasn't it just earlier this season
they were supposed to go off into

428
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:07.039
hiding on their own, and then
Oliver stays in Metropolis. Yeah. I

429
00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:10.400
think that was their way of saying, Okay, this is not a Jois

430
00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:14.279
League show. So we have to
find a way. We got to get

431
00:29:14.359 --> 00:29:17.000
rid of the others, but we're
gonna keep three narrow because he's a series

432
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:18.480
regular. That was also so funny, like, well, no, no,

433
00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:21.920
the Lex and Tests and always people
know our identities. We have to

434
00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:26.799
disperse. I'm like Lex knew who
Aquaman was since day one, you know,

435
00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:29.559
all three of them. He knew
who Aquaman, he knew Cyborg.

436
00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:37.519
Yeah, Flash Impulse, that's right, I'm gonna call him Flash. But

437
00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:41.200
yeah, we um. We cut
to uh Luther mansion and a great shot

438
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:45.519
of that very TODs window by the
way, and the first shot of the

439
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:53.920
scene, and we have Um Tests
doing some karate with with an instructor Akida

440
00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:57.279
or something like that. Yes,
yes, as Lana is intimately familiar with

441
00:29:57.680 --> 00:30:03.200
based off for hung Lee Journey she's
been on when she's off screen. I

442
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:04.759
say that because that's what she left
a small vel to go do, so

443
00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:08.079
it does apply. I've been joking
about that for years. We'll talk about

444
00:30:08.200 --> 00:30:14.039
more in detail than our in our
next episode on Power. But you know,

445
00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:18.319
Lex had fencing right in pool,
and Test has martial arts. But

446
00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:22.039
it's so good, like I'm glad
it's Tests, not there fencing someone or

447
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:23.119
playing on the pool table, Like
she needs to have her own angle,

448
00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:26.880
and they've been doing a great job
making her a new shade of Lex.

449
00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:32.480
Yeah, but I think she needs
to put an upgrade into the mansion.

450
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:34.880
I mean, like Lex used like
to use his fight scenes and his study

451
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:38.119
is library. They kind of have
like a little gym section right in a

452
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:45.119
mansion doing this a couple of times, and in season one, I feel

453
00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:47.880
like they used to redress the mansion
more often, Like there would be different

454
00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:52.200
rooms. The one they think of
a shimmer right where it's like all his

455
00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:53.640
paint and all that stuff's like the
war room, and like it was clearly

456
00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:56.319
this set, but it was redressed
a little bit where it looked like a

457
00:30:56.319 --> 00:31:00.440
different room. And you know what, it's a mansion. It's the same

458
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:03.400
house. I buy that a lot
of the rooms look the same. So

459
00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:06.799
that's fine, but like, at
least to your point, makes some attempt

460
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:10.759
that there is some other room in
this one, the library or or the

461
00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:12.000
hallway. That's the only two rooms
that we've seen Chris, or in the

462
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:18.359
bedroom. We do see the bedroom
quite frequently now, but at least at

463
00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:22.920
least they did an effort early honest. Even even so the room where he

464
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:26.000
kept the Porsche and had all recorded, like the whole room was dark so

465
00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:29.079
he couldn't see walls or if there
was an actual room or not. But

466
00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:33.000
they made an attempt to show they
had another larger room and that became his

467
00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:36.039
secret clerk room. You know.
Yeah, that could have been then the

468
00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:41.759
gin. Yeah, you know what
there is um zero in season one,

469
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:44.440
he's out there with like a punching
bag, right this sre ends up being

470
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:47.839
hung upside down and all that was
like it's just more scope, but they

471
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:49.319
had more of a budget then,
you know. So that's the season eight

472
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:52.119
and we get this, you know, we get one one square block of

473
00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:56.839
entrop list, we get one room
in the mansion. Everyone has to still

474
00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:57.799
live with the talent, you know. So this this is what we're dealing

475
00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:02.240
with here. But this is a
meaning of of Tess and Latna here Lata

476
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:07.839
Lange in the flesh right, the
enigmatic. Yeah, and uh you're everything

477
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:10.720
Lex said you'd be right, So
so Ted, it's so funny when she

478
00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:14.480
meets these characters, like, you
know, Lex told me all about you

479
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:16.400
might come on. That's like she
says, the Clark she says at the

480
00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:21.559
Latta you know what I mean.
Well, that's gonna really come to a

481
00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:25.960
head this episode later on. It
is uh she you know, she says,

482
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:30.400
like you tame a Luther, high
marks from the woman and trusted with

483
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:34.720
the Luther legacy. And that's the
thing, right, Like, I don't

484
00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:38.000
think they needed to make tests his
sister. But it does make a lot

485
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:44.400
of this make a little more sense, yes, and also makes it a

486
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:49.839
little more interesting for how she views
Lex right now, especially in this episode.

487
00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:52.039
This is the thing I've been talking
about this scene this whole show.

488
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:57.200
We'll get to it. But she
didn't know. No, I think more

489
00:32:57.240 --> 00:33:05.359
so being a Luther was for a
relationship with Lionel with on Earth two or

490
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:13.319
when they get to Ultraman, those
type of situations. Yeah, now Lana

491
00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:17.839
is there to uh kind of call
tests out on on the the Prometheus project.

492
00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:21.880
It's funny we'recovering season eight of Small
right now, as as the guys

493
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:25.319
and all this on the Arrow are
covering season five. I'm talking about talking

494
00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:30.000
about Prometheus. Hey, I think
I think Arrow did Prometheus better than Small

495
00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:31.920
VI. I'm just gonna throw that
out there. Yet, you should have

496
00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:36.359
kept that to yourself. Don't give
them more credit. I'll go to their

497
00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:40.200
heads. But she she's there to
told test that she knows that Lex is

498
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:46.599
alive and she's siphoning money into this
Prometheus project, and uh, she wants

499
00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:51.039
to know where where Lex is,
right, because then this is this is

500
00:33:51.079 --> 00:33:53.160
the thing, like even though she's
you know, she's back, and this

501
00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:57.279
is like the new Lana, this
is very similar. And they bring it

502
00:33:57.359 --> 00:34:00.319
up like in you know, the
next couple episodes, Clark brings it up.

503
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:02.880
Good on you, Clark for remembering
this and the show for him and

504
00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:06.680
kinda like, you know, a
Lana last time she got powers, she

505
00:34:06.759 --> 00:34:09.119
kind of went after Lex for revenge. She's kind of still it's kind of

506
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:12.519
still her thing, right, That's
what she's here. The only reason she

507
00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:15.280
is here is to find her whe
Lex is in order to you know,

508
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:17.039
I don't know what she's gonna kill
him. I don't know what she's gonna

509
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:21.639
do him, but it's not gonna
be positive. Well, and you find

510
00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:24.519
out as soon as she walks out
that she also had an ulterior motive for

511
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:28.599
this meeting. Yes, so what
is she doing here? She is she

512
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:31.159
fishing for information hoping, hey,
maybe Tess will just actually tell me where

513
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:37.599
Alex is while I also steal this
Prometheus information. You know what's funny is

514
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:39.840
you know what Test jobs on Lana. She says, you don't know lex

515
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:45.800
like I do. It's like,
are you that's the last honestly, that's

516
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:47.639
the last. First thing. E
sail that too. La La Lang Lex

517
00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:52.880
with them more than any on this
show, right, And if she knew

518
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:57.519
of Lana as much as she apparently
did from Lex, she would know that

519
00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:00.719
Lana probably does know Les better than
you. Maybe you might not want to

520
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:07.639
admit it, but Lexus told Tests
a lot about Lana, So I've read

521
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:08.880
all about you, yeah, and
a lot like she even tells like,

522
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:12.639
look, I was you, I've
been you, I've seen I've used to

523
00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:15.079
Finlax all the time, and she's
so yeah. To your point, I

524
00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:20.480
think two maybe three motivations. One
she's like, maybe Tests will just tell

525
00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:24.199
me, maybe she won't. Maybe
I can turn this woman around because obviously

526
00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:27.199
she's on the wrong path. Right, I've been on that path. I

527
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:30.639
can relate. And the other is
to use these magic Wi Fi powers from

528
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:36.400
that that Oliver's guy on the plane
had just to just steal their files and

529
00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:40.519
corrupt them. That's not how the
force works, Chris, and I think

530
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:44.840
it just essentially turns into tests.
Wants to make it a pissing contest,

531
00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:50.119
and Lana's taking a high ground here
because she has an i'll take your motive.

532
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:57.639
Yeah, but we get to Chloes
one scene this episode, because yeah,

533
00:35:57.639 --> 00:36:00.679
clothes in this. Alison mack Is
is prep to direct the next episode

534
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:06.760
of Power. So usually when when
actors direct the next episodes, they have

535
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:12.039
no scenes or very limited scenes the
previous episodes, so they have more time

536
00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:15.159
to time to prepare. And that's
fair. She doesn't a lot of time,

537
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:16.960
all right, because she's gonna,
you know, get get back to

538
00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:24.000
get back to taking care of Jimmy
in Star City with Lois, with with

539
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:29.079
Lois who who? Okay, Like
I mentioned at the top right, but

540
00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:31.679
it's like, okay, so Lois
left to be with Jimmy because obviously Chloe

541
00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:37.960
was gone, right, fair,
fun fair, Right now Chloe is back,

542
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:44.519
there is no Lois, and then
Lois is still gone. Obviously she's

543
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:49.559
upset about Clark and Latta. You
know, welcome to Chloe's life, Lois.

544
00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:52.280
Listen, this is this is how
she does things. Last time she

545
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:58.039
ran off to like what a monster
Chuck Rally in Houston or something El Paso

546
00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:01.639
and think but yes and xes.
Then she goes to Africa in season ten,

547
00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:05.800
so this is I guess that's how
she copes. She just runs away.

548
00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:12.880
Oh man, she plays a pulls
a Luke Skywalker Chris, but it

549
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:17.079
was um. It is disappointing because
in some episodes there are deleted scenes when

550
00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:20.840
like characters think they're dead, are
missing and they reunite, like like in

551
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:24.079
Gone in season four, like there's
a whole scene where you know, Choe

552
00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:28.079
Lanna get back together, and there's
whole and there's another scene in the beginning

553
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:30.960
of the season seven. I think
they're deleted scenes. I'm like, well,

554
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:31.800
you should have put these in here. They're kind of important. This

555
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:36.000
They don't even make an attempt of
like I wonder what Lois thought about Chloe

556
00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:38.719
coming back? Right, this is
like come on, y'all, like that

557
00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:43.079
you're supposed to be handling Lowe's better
and you were, but now she's gone

558
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:46.320
again. Even even the writers get
blinded by Lana being back. They're like,

559
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:49.760
well, I guess I don't know
what to do. Uh, Chloe

560
00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:55.039
just dropped an eye rolling our favorite
Martian reference, like who who is that?

561
00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:58.920
For? Like, I know what
my favorite Martian is because like I

562
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:00.760
kind of happen to like old TV
and it was like on you know,

563
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:04.360
these black and white runs of channels. But I'm like, who knows what

564
00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:09.519
that is anymore? Right? More
adults watching the show That Can two thousand,

565
00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:14.440
early two thousands, why would you
reference that really bad early two thousands

566
00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:20.280
a movie with Christopher Lloyd Because Small
has to pump every pop culture reference into

567
00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:24.760
Chloe and Jimmy's language. It's exhausting, and I don't, look, we

568
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:28.000
love this show, right, but
yeah we when you know, when I

569
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:30.000
watched this show and like are taking
notes and analyzing it, and then I

570
00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:32.440
like, I just go watch other
shows just for fun, and I'm like,

571
00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:36.280
it's so refreshing to not hear people
try to squeeze in some sort of

572
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:38.239
pop culture for reference every other line. You know, there should be one

573
00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:42.800
one character like the Cisco on The
Flash. I think him and Felicity early

574
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:45.800
early Felicity Narrow, they were like
the perfect versions of that because you contain

575
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:50.000
it like, okay, but that's
this character's thing. But sometimes it's just

576
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:52.000
too much Chris. They would do
it in situations that applied, like if

577
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:55.880
you had a meta that had something
that sounded like out of a comic book

578
00:38:55.920 --> 00:39:00.800
and they referenced a comic book or
whatever like that, Right, it wasn't

579
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:06.760
just an everyday conversation talking about normal
things, which is maybe why it stands

580
00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:10.800
out a little bit more because a
pop culture reference in a perfect situation,

581
00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:15.400
you want to give that Captain America
meme. I understood that reference. That

582
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:19.880
kind of stuff is cool, but
when it's when it's in a full sentence

583
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:24.760
that should just be basic conversation,
it stands out a little more. And

584
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:29.159
I don't believe for a second to
Chloe and Clark ever watched My Favorite Martian

585
00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:32.320
But yeah, especially not Clark.
I do like how she is, like,

586
00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:36.199
man, I miss being bradyac like
as far as like the computer speed,

587
00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:40.000
because that's that would be a logical
like feeling for her a half after

588
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:45.119
being so like super powerful and when
as far as computer goes and then having

589
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:47.280
to like it's like having high speed
internet and then being reduced to dial up.

590
00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:50.679
Right, yeah, and Clark gives
her a little look and she's like,

591
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:52.840
I know, I know, but
like you would miss that. Anybody

592
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:55.360
would miss that. It's like you
not having your powers anymore, Clark,

593
00:39:55.880 --> 00:40:00.320
think about that, right, Skippy
had a little here and looking at her.

594
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:07.719
Chloe and Lana are just sharing Isis
and the Talon. Though Lana has

595
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:10.440
money, right, Lana has her
settlement from the one of the richest men

596
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:15.960
in the world. She can afford
a hotel room. That is true because

597
00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:22.599
yeah, because Lana it seems to
be staying at the Talent again, ah,

598
00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:28.360
which which is okay because Chloe's not
there right now. But this is

599
00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:31.280
all this is not very well there
either right now. But she's in Stars

600
00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:35.960
City taking care of Jimmy. And
then Lois got her own apartment because you

601
00:40:36.039 --> 00:40:39.800
got that raise, which we never
see that place by the way, Um,

602
00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:44.320
so yeah, yeah, they're just
okay, there's an open room,

603
00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:50.000
take advantage. There should be an
apartment above the Isis Foundation. And that's

604
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:52.280
the thing, right because Isis was
Lanast thing and Lana was gone. I'm

605
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:55.079
like, well, we don't.
And then and then they made lowest Chloe's

606
00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:59.840
like they they took Chloe's daily Planet
thing away from her and gave it to

607
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:01.000
us, like, well, what
do we do with Chloe wa Lana had

608
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:05.039
the slishest thing. She's gone,
we have the set. I guess we'll

609
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:07.880
have Chloe do that. But now
Lana's back, and it is weird how

610
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:10.159
they're both like because there's multiple scenes
of them and all these episodes of them

611
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:15.239
both in the secret room doing the
thing that it's Interchangers. The Small Raiders

612
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:17.039
got together and said, we're gonna
bring Lata back. So she's gonna take

613
00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:22.639
this from Lois and this from Chloe. Then she's gonna take take She's gonna

614
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:28.480
be the Superhero's gonna get the powers, taking everything. She took Clark from

615
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:31.000
Lois, she took ices from Chloe, and she took all the powers from

616
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:35.519
Clark. It's crazy. Oh man, well, you know, speaking of

617
00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:38.519
all this, Chloe's like, so
how are things now that Lana is back

618
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:50.079
in your orbit and Clarks that I
think this is so strange to me because

619
00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:52.079
she's very aware. She's like,
yeah, you know, when you were

620
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:54.719
the triangle here, it sucks.
I've been in that third point on y'all's

621
00:41:54.760 --> 00:42:01.599
triangle and uh, don't hurt my
cousin. Right, I'm like, this

622
00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:07.400
is it's very messy, isn't it. Yeah, I get Clark's point like

623
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:10.400
how do you just stop loving someone? And he never really had the closure

624
00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:16.599
too, But Chloe makes a good
point like he's gonna he's gonna hurt Lois

625
00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:20.480
and all this because they were getting
close and you can't deny that they weren't.

626
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:23.880
Even Clark can't say that they weren't. They were. They were right

627
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:27.760
about the kiss. But you don't
seeing Lena come back, Chris, It's

628
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:32.360
like she never left. So it
makes it okay again, that makes out

629
00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:36.800
of sight out of mind, right, because Lois isn't even around, Like

630
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:38.159
if he had to go to work
every day and sit across from Lois and

631
00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:40.920
he's still doing this and be a
much worse look on him, right,

632
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:44.800
but it's still not it's still not
a great look. Like if these are

633
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:46.599
your real friends in the real world, right, think about this and you

634
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:52.360
saw you saw like you've seen this
the re vibe happening. You saw them

635
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:54.559
about the kiss of this wedding,
and then immediately like his ex comes back

636
00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:58.639
in town. He's taking over thy
like Clark, you're an ass. Yeah,

637
00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:02.480
so, and they would call him
out a little more harshly than chloeus,

638
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:07.079
especially considering it's her cousin. This
is your your best friend in the

639
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:08.079
world. But I guess Lana is
your other best friend in the world,

640
00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:12.280
so you're you're in a tough spot
too, you know. But you know

641
00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:14.960
what, She's married now, so
maybe she's not as invested into this as

642
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:19.800
she as she used to be,
right, not invested personally, but she

643
00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:22.719
should. You think she'd be a
little more. She's like saying, don't

644
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:25.440
don't say him Lois in the door. You think she'd be a little more

645
00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:30.519
defensive of Lois than Lana because she
knows how Clark sees Laana. Well,

646
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:34.239
that's that's the problem. The show
needs us to root for this even though

647
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:38.079
it's the wrong thing. That's that's
the issue. Right If anyone in here

648
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:39.599
was like, you know, McCart, maybe you shouldn't do this, and

649
00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:42.679
the audience would be like, you
know what, they're right, maybe he

650
00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:45.159
shouldn't be doing this, and then
they would derail what they're trying to do

651
00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:52.000
with with Lana him here. But
give him credit for addressing that it is

652
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:55.960
a thing and acknowledging that there's something
there rather than just denying it all.

653
00:43:57.239 --> 00:44:00.199
Yeah, at least they addressed it, right, I mean, you my

654
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:02.079
other rant would have been like,
I can't believe they did even mentioned that,

655
00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:05.840
Sully, I are mentioning it,
but yeah, that's where we are.

656
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:07.800
But you know, during this conversation, you know, chloes are running

657
00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:12.760
all this data on what happened to
John Jones and they find there's an armor

658
00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:17.039
piercing bullet and it's missing for evidence, So must be an inside job.

659
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:21.679
Chris, what do you think about
that? I think it's funny that they

660
00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:24.239
mentioned it's an armor piercing bullet when
later on there's a lot of talk about

661
00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:29.960
make sure you wear your vest,
because that's great. If you're wearing your

662
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:35.679
vest, armor piercing would go through
it. Well, the thing is,

663
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:38.400
these guys protect their own, so
it's not going to be easy to get

664
00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:50.800
past that thin blue line, you
get it. That's why it stands out

665
00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:58.760
because it's it's another reference that didn't
need it to be at it. Like,

666
00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:00.639
look, I use a lot of
pop culture references in my life,

667
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:01.360
but I know there's a time in
a place. All right, I'm not

668
00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:05.119
I'm not quoting Star Wars and we're
talking about like, so how did your

669
00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:07.719
chemotherapy go? Right? You know, you know what I'm saying this is

670
00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:13.880
like there's a time in a place. Yeah, anyway, but uh it's

671
00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:19.960
it's the forty fourth preseat, right, and uh, hey good on them.

672
00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:22.039
It's that they put some signage up, you know, and it's it's

673
00:45:22.039 --> 00:45:25.920
a I can't immediately identify what location
this is. I'm sure it's just somewhere

674
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:30.039
on the back lot when we see
all these cops and we see inter Detective

675
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:32.679
Dan or officer at this point,
Dan Turban because he's a young guy,

676
00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:37.559
Dan Turbin. Yeah, I liked
I liked the reveal. Here he walks

677
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:43.960
out and he's meeting a new partner, and I mean essentially you don't really

678
00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:47.320
know what was going to happen,
but then you get the pan to the

679
00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:53.519
the badge and then it's Clark turns
around Clark, he's Joe Joe Fordman.

680
00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:57.360
Yeah, Joe Forman. Do you
like that as a as a pseudonym?

681
00:45:57.400 --> 00:46:00.400
Here? Sure? Why not?
I mean Joe was the name his dad

682
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:07.880
used when he was walking around Earth. Yeah, and uh, Lana's back,

683
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:12.519
so thinking of all things, Lana
her ex boyfriend's last name. You

684
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:14.880
think that's where he got that,
That's why Forman was on his mind.

685
00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:17.079
I like, where else are you
gonna get form? Well, that is

686
00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:23.119
like he's paying tribute to like his
fallen friend, right. Um. And

687
00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:29.360
then Joe for you know, the
the the americanization of Jarrell. I don't

688
00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:30.760
know if that's what he was thinking
there. Maybe he just picked a common

689
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:34.920
name, but we see it as
that because I like that. I like

690
00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:37.239
that. I liked that he picked
that, you know, as a pseudo

691
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:38.800
him. I thought that was cool. He should have gone, uh,

692
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:42.400
if you want to go full lat
xss, he should have been Jason Ford

693
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:47.280
Whitney Tigue the newest officer. Um. But it's a cool reveal, right

694
00:46:47.320 --> 00:46:52.639
because obviously, like you said,
it's it's a slow reveal, like the

695
00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:54.480
guys are walking on, Hey,
ready meet your partner and ready to go

696
00:46:54.519 --> 00:47:00.639
save the world. Right Uh.
And then it's Clark. Now this is

697
00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:07.199
cool. But he needed glasses here, Chris, didn't he? Right,

698
00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:10.239
Well, he needed glasses when he's
working in the daily pocket. That's beside

699
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:13.960
the point. I'm just looking for
anything at this point for him to wear

700
00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:17.719
some glasses on. Maybe some sunglasses
here. It's difficult. Cough, look

701
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:22.320
at the sunglasses. I just thought, like, man, like, if

702
00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:28.440
Clark's going undercover right, an in
disguise, that's a perfect time to bring

703
00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:30.320
out some glasses. And I thought
it was a missed opportunity. But again,

704
00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:35.000
I I wonder what it's gonna be
like when they get to this place

705
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:37.960
and talk feel off. I remember
on an episode this late in the show,

706
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:40.880
I'm definitely gonna ask Tom like so
the glasses because I have a feeling

707
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:44.920
that like he just didn't want to
wear them, like he thought they weren't

708
00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:46.840
cool or something like. That's my
vibe on the whole fare. Or maybe

709
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:50.119
it was a higher up state.
We can't have we can't have our sex

710
00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:54.360
sible star war glasses. Right,
there's a different world back than in two

711
00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:58.679
thousand and nine. Yeah, my
bet would be more on. He probably

712
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:01.840
didn't want to wear them, just
speaking from I mean, I work contact

713
00:48:01.880 --> 00:48:05.480
lens all the time because I don't
want to wear glasses. But just speaking

714
00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:07.039
from Halloween costumes, when you have
to wear glasses and you don't need them,

715
00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:13.039
it's kind of kind of a pain. I guess. Listen, Clark

716
00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:19.960
is sacrificing everything for this Chris,
for the greater good. So let's talk

717
00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:29.239
about our guest star, David pat
Cow. Now he was in Hothead all

718
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:32.960
the way back in season one and
in Smallville the official magazine number three two.

719
00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:37.840
As A said earlier, he is
an interview and he says, quote,

720
00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:43.360
I tested for the Whitney Fordman role
and Hothead was e zone three,

721
00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:46.239
so maybe they remembered me. I
have a couple of distinct memories because some

722
00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:49.800
of that was filmed on nine to
eleven. It was an interesting day on

723
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:52.920
set, to say the least.
Everyone was concerned about what was going on,

724
00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:55.679
so it was a really bad day
for everyone. Suddenly the show wasn't

725
00:48:55.679 --> 00:48:59.159
that important. And that's interesting because
you hear them talking about that. I

726
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:00.920
don't talk through a lot, especially
in season one. John Scheider brings it

727
00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:05.119
up, and Rosama and Welling,
you're always talking about how like hot Heavens

728
00:49:05.119 --> 00:49:07.559
from the nine eleven that was that
was a big thing. And that makes

729
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:09.639
sense that he was, you know, in the running for Whitney and like,

730
00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:12.320
okay, we didn't get that.
Well, hey, well we'll threw

731
00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:14.920
you a guest star part of a
member of the football team. That makes

732
00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:19.119
a lot of sense. Yeah,
And that's one of those events that happened

733
00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:21.800
in this world that if you live
in this country It's one of those you

734
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:24.079
always remember where you were, oh
yeah when that happened. So I could

735
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:29.119
just imagine if you're a working actor, and he's probably had tons of roles

736
00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:31.119
on other shows, but you remember
this one guests his parents. Because of

737
00:49:31.159 --> 00:49:37.079
the significance of that event, I
could see that I could see him testing

738
00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:39.480
for Whitney. He's got the look
he could. He could have done a

739
00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:45.519
good job there too. Eric Johnson's
gone on to do much bigger things now

740
00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:50.119
too. Yeah, yeah, fifty, says A Gray. Did you ever

741
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:52.440
watch Alcatraz? Now, I haven't
seen that. That was a fun show.

742
00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:54.760
It was like a half season show. It didntr mc cliffhanger and they

743
00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:58.440
got canceled because it was a sci
fi shown Fox Shocker. But he was

744
00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:00.800
an episode of that. It was
pretty good. And then uh, he's

745
00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:04.559
a flash Gordon on the si Fide
channel, so he's he's continued to work.

746
00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:08.280
So and we know this actor here
who played Dan Turpins continue to work

747
00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:13.679
because we see him later on in
uh nice little movie called Man of Steel.

748
00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:17.920
We do is he the one says
Superman? Inte yes, that that's

749
00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:23.320
the alien. That's what they're calling
him Superman. So he essentially gives him

750
00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:27.480
the name Superman. Right, I've
been Marshaman a hundred for forty years on

751
00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:34.159
this planet. No one's given me
a cool name anyway. Then we'll talk

752
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:37.599
about that. We didn't even mention, you know, uh, doctor Alton.

753
00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:39.719
We talked about him more later,
but like he's on the scenes with

754
00:50:39.800 --> 00:50:49.440
Doctor Hamilton. Sobody then is steel. It's just an insane amount of you

755
00:50:49.480 --> 00:50:54.800
wonder if they had any conversations Alessandro
Giuliani and I'm sorry, Dan Turpin's actor

756
00:50:54.920 --> 00:51:01.199
name is David David Pacow. They
were in the same episode of Smallville,

757
00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:05.960
but they probably never interacted. They
were probably on set different days just because

758
00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:09.599
they didn't have any scenes together.
Yeah, so maybe they're on Manisteel talk

759
00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:15.880
ends like, hey, we're together, him and I can't kind of came

760
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:22.000
in front of tam Hill Pikett,
who was Hilo Wombastarro Bactica. He was

761
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:25.360
on Arrow. He's the guy that
killed Hunters's fiancee. Um. He was

762
00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:29.880
in two episodes of Smallble as two
different characters as this guy was as well.

763
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:31.760
He was in Prototype and then he
was in season three in Resurrection.

764
00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:36.400
Same deal. He was an army
guy in Man of Steel he puts Lewis

765
00:51:36.440 --> 00:51:40.039
in that like closet. Well,
what's the rule? We've heard it talked

766
00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:43.239
about somewhere. There's a rule like
it has to be a certain amount of

767
00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:46.119
seasons between your character when you can
you know, I've heard that, but

768
00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:50.159
I don't think that's just I think
that's the general role. But I've there's

769
00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:55.360
people that have appeared like much closer
together on Smallville as well. So,

770
00:51:55.559 --> 00:52:00.360
but basically, like if you're if
you're, I'm shocked. The guy who

771
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:02.960
played the chief on Batstocolatica was not
in the Man of Steel or at least

772
00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:07.000
BBS because he was he was in
BSG. He works up there. He

773
00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:08.880
was in two episodes of smavel as
two different characters many years apart, much

774
00:52:08.920 --> 00:52:13.239
like these guys. So, but
I don't have like the complete list or

775
00:52:13.239 --> 00:52:15.840
anything. I think I think at
some point when Rosama was reading off some

776
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:20.360
some stats, like he's like thirty
one people were small, but were something

777
00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:22.079
like something like some absurd highly high
number. Because it's not just I mean

778
00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:27.280
we're talking about you know, actress
with dialogue that kind of stuff, Like

779
00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:30.280
I'm sure there were so many background
actors who was who shared in the production

780
00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:34.360
as well. Well, it just
gives us u able to give all these

781
00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:37.320
fan theories, like when we talk
about Star Wars, for example, you

782
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:40.039
see Andy Serkis he played, Well, he's totally that's not even a joke

783
00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:44.360
anymore. I think I was messaging
you about that, you guys, and

784
00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:46.800
I was like in Mandalorian, like, well, we have our volunteered test

785
00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:51.599
subject, but we know who that
is. It's Keno Lloy and they're gonna

786
00:52:51.599 --> 00:52:54.840
combine it with a gro grou blood. He's gonna become snoke. Hey,

787
00:52:54.920 --> 00:53:00.880
it's all there. So Anyway,
his his interview Small with the magazine,

788
00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:02.920
he says, quote, I went
in and read for it, but I

789
00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:06.880
wasn't sure how small it would look
at my resume since I'd already been on

790
00:53:06.920 --> 00:53:09.639
the show. What I didn't realize
about Danny Turpin is that he's established in

791
00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:14.039
the DC universe. I had no
idea that he was his grizzled gruff cop

792
00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:16.480
and his character was established about thirty
years ago. I didn't know that until

793
00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:21.760
the fourth day of shooting. So
I guess the writers are putting all these

794
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:27.199
DC characters in. Yes, on
the fourth day shooting, he probably realized

795
00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:30.239
with characters thought, hey I'll be
back again. Yeah, I can't wait

796
00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:35.559
to be a regretting character. But
this is what he had to say about

797
00:53:35.559 --> 00:53:37.920
working on an episode. Quote,
Smallville is a great set. The crew

798
00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:40.079
gets along so well, and Tom
is an amazing guy. Everyone is nice,

799
00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:45.760
loose and relaxed. They're confident.
As for Justin and Tom, those

800
00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:49.239
guys are tall, they're fun and
have a nice rapport. Justin has a

801
00:53:49.280 --> 00:53:52.840
lot of energy, and Tom is
clearly the leader of that show. So

802
00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:58.599
to quote Talkville again, like John
Scheiner says, be the horse, Be

803
00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:01.480
the horse Tom. Anyway, that's
cool though, Well, he's a good

804
00:54:01.480 --> 00:54:05.360
experience on the show bringing people back. You know, I think that that

805
00:54:05.440 --> 00:54:07.280
is schooling. It's fun for us. And you know, maybe this guy

806
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:13.920
changed his name and he really was
the same guy from from season one.

807
00:54:13.960 --> 00:54:20.199
He just did because had Clark been
wearing the glasses, he wouldn't have recognized

808
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:22.559
him. Chris, there you go. It all tied together. Anyway.

809
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:28.599
It just fits when they first get
in the car and they start driving through

810
00:54:28.599 --> 00:54:32.239
the streets in Metropolis, they come
around a corner and I don't know if

811
00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:35.920
it's just they were trying to give
an edgy. Look. I swear there's

812
00:54:35.920 --> 00:54:39.159
a street worker, like a girl
about one hundred percent. She's wearing like

813
00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:43.920
a miniskirt with boots. Right,
they did that in small Ville on the

814
00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:47.320
CW. Well it was very subtle, but sure show you how bad things

815
00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:52.960
have gotten. I guess they have
the conversation in the car and you think

816
00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:57.760
he was describing Gotham City. This
is this is very bad man mcginns.

817
00:54:57.960 --> 00:55:00.119
Right where Rachel's driving Bruce around.
That's the vibe I got. I mean

818
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:07.920
they're in a car, but maybe
that's not really they the talk is essentially

819
00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:12.360
throughout the episode the justice system doesn't
always work, but we do. We

820
00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:16.760
get the streets. Yeah, they
control the courts, but we control the

821
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:21.440
streets. We'll get to that in
a minute. But you know, Clark's

822
00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:24.960
from Cose City allegedly, which is
a cool green Lander reference. Yeah,

823
00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:30.760
more comic book lore. He should
have gone by like this is Detective hald

824
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:35.360
Jordan's I don't know what what the
captions were thinking. Every time when I

825
00:55:35.400 --> 00:55:38.800
watched with the captures are up,
it said Cove City. Really, I

826
00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:45.280
think it's just uh, you know, trying to the algorithm could not hear

827
00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:47.559
no people need to proofree those algorithms. Okay for the clothes, for the

828
00:55:47.559 --> 00:55:52.079
clothes captions, but like Clark's like, who's a nice car? He's like,

829
00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:54.920
ah, I guess it's a humor. That's good because there's no one

830
00:55:54.960 --> 00:56:00.719
else to say. But but what
is cool about this, Dan Turbin is

831
00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:05.960
it's something that tracks from the combat. Dan turban is he doesn't trust the

832
00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:08.679
superheroes. He's like these costume Visionlandi's
went around, We've got this green arrow

833
00:56:08.679 --> 00:56:15.440
and this red blue blur and like
he's not, I love that light,

834
00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:22.199
thanks Joe. So but it's interesting
to get get Clark's perspective on this.

835
00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:24.719
He's like, so you think they
do more harm the good And Turbin's like,

836
00:56:24.760 --> 00:56:28.280
well, what I know is cop
sever rules and they don't, right,

837
00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:32.119
So he has some sense of morality
which gets tested surely in this episode.

838
00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:37.719
So it's always nice when you see
superheroes being able to learn lessons like

839
00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:42.519
that, when they're getting a different
perspective because they people don't realize they're talking

840
00:56:42.880 --> 00:56:45.960
to them. So yeah, Clark, Clark can learn a lesson here and

841
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:50.559
see a perspective that he couldn't get
before. That's why secreted news are important,

842
00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:55.920
Chris. I also like how they
keep calling they keep calling the superheroes

843
00:56:57.000 --> 00:57:02.800
capes, but green arrows work and
a cape once and uh, Clark says,

844
00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:06.840
I'll never wear a cape, right, that is true, not in

845
00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:09.559
this lifetime. Calling him capes,
that's a good that's a good point.

846
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:16.679
Which which heroes are referring to Akaman
Black Canary. No, I mean of

847
00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:21.800
the For all they know, the
red Bullebler could wear a cape. Maybe

848
00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:22.920
that's what you're seeing. But yeah, maybe that's what they think, right,

849
00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:27.360
But you know, the junkies are
hitting up the pharmacy again, right,

850
00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:30.719
so it's just another day in Metropolis, broad daylight. You're right,

851
00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:35.719
this guy's he's running. This is
actually something else that David Pacal talks about

852
00:57:35.960 --> 00:57:38.440
in his interview h that this chase
scene. He says, quote one of

853
00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:42.679
the stunt guys and the camera rehearsal
was doing the run and he felt pretty

854
00:57:42.679 --> 00:57:45.360
hard because it was slippery. It
was a nervous time. The least thing

855
00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:47.199
you want to do is slip falling
the camera, look like an idiot and

856
00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:52.079
you get hurt. So as a
camera guy myself, I could relate to

857
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:54.920
this, like you never want to
fall when you're doing this job. I

858
00:57:55.039 --> 00:58:00.360
was, Um, I was shooting
this this uh pilot like this this spec

859
00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:05.360
pilot for like a BMX biking thing. This is like right out of college,

860
00:58:05.360 --> 00:58:07.880
and I was just doing kind of
any contract work I could have.

861
00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:10.119
And this is BMX biking like course, right, it's a big thing,

862
00:58:10.199 --> 00:58:13.360
right, It's Olympic sport and all
this stuff. Right. The guy who

863
00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:15.079
was doing it and was leading it
was like he had won in the Olympics

864
00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:19.840
in previous years. And you know, it's just these mounds of mud and

865
00:58:19.880 --> 00:58:22.039
all this stuff, right, and
so you gotta run and like follow these

866
00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:25.480
bike guys. And so I ran
and I slipped and I got mud all

867
00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:28.800
over me. And then about then
I picked up the camera and still to

868
00:58:28.840 --> 00:58:31.119
keep working, and it was it
was crave. It was embarrassing, but

869
00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:32.840
I mean, what you got,
you gotta it's a live thing. You

870
00:58:32.840 --> 00:58:36.519
gotta keep going, right, and
which I just remember was covered in mud

871
00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:38.920
after that it was awful. Um, But I had some friends working on

872
00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:42.360
it as well, so they didn't
give me that Harvard time about it.

873
00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:45.079
But it's just like just just just
thinking about that. And unfortunately, the

874
00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:47.559
camera's fine because that's your number one
objective. Let's protect the camp. But

875
00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:52.400
that's what people like is is camera
king. That's the main thing people want

876
00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:53.480
to know. That's pretty scary.
And because you know, it's kind of

877
00:58:53.480 --> 00:58:55.840
a rainy day in the scene,
right, you got guys running, you

878
00:58:55.840 --> 00:58:59.159
don't think about that. But not
only do you have the actors Rinning mich

879
00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:00.920
got camera guys came up with him. That's that's a real thing. So

880
00:59:01.039 --> 00:59:08.639
anyway, they chase him in in
this alley and it's uh not for if

881
00:59:08.719 --> 00:59:12.519
Joe Forbin had not been Dan Turbin's
partner this day, he'd be dead.

882
00:59:13.880 --> 00:59:16.559
Yeah, like you said, broad
daylight stealing something from a pharmacy, it's

883
00:59:16.599 --> 00:59:21.880
worth killing a cop over. Well, it's it's a what's it's a uh

884
00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:27.119
come up? So it's back.
Lois tells uh that that Sebastian Cane memory.

885
00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:30.719
Guys, She's like, well,
you know, next to hell.

886
00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:32.880
This is the worst place ever,
Like what this is? This is not

887
00:59:34.760 --> 00:59:38.920
Yeah, we're in Gotham City city, right, but anyway, what it

888
00:59:39.039 --> 00:59:43.920
is it's Superman isn't there yet?
And Superman is what makes it a pristine

889
00:59:44.599 --> 00:59:52.400
good city. Right there, you
go two more years, but no,

890
00:59:52.480 --> 00:59:54.159
Clark, uh, Clark saves him
from this junkie. You know, it's

891
00:59:54.239 --> 00:59:57.559
kind of like a Superman the movie
esque right where he saves Lois from the

892
00:59:57.559 --> 00:59:59.800
bullet and he catches it. You
know, it's the same kind of because

893
00:59:59.800 --> 01:00:01.039
it's in an alley, kind of
giving those kinds of yeah, yeah,

894
01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:06.360
I thought so. Anyway, that's
cool. It's a continuity too. You

895
01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:08.440
could see when he turns around and
Clark standing next to the guy just on

896
01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:13.239
the ground, his fist is clenched
and like it kind of highlights that his

897
01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:15.400
fist is clenched and he opens the
hand and he has the bullet. Right,

898
01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:21.480
so let me cut the isis And
oh my god, they're gonna do

899
01:00:21.480 --> 01:00:25.440
the Lex Luthor battle suit. I'm
so excited. Version one. It is

900
01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:30.800
the Lex Luthor battle suit from the
comic books of the Prometheus suit, which

901
01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:34.480
is which is a look Prometheus.
Of course that's a name that Lex Uthor

902
01:00:34.519 --> 01:00:37.880
would use. That's so cool and
you think, oh wow, Lex is

903
01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:39.119
gonna come back, and this is
gonna be the different vibe of Lex we

904
01:00:39.159 --> 01:00:44.199
did. We're gonna get like battle
suit Justice League a limited Lex. It's

905
01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:47.840
gonna be so awesome. I can't
wait and then we get version two and

906
01:00:47.880 --> 01:00:53.480
it's like, oh, subdermal,
you know, don't don't even tease us

907
01:00:53.519 --> 01:00:57.159
with that le You're gonna go through
with it, you know what I mean?

908
01:00:57.519 --> 01:01:01.239
Typical? Come well, I say
typical, But it's a comic book

909
01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:06.599
writer giving you something that if you're
a comic book reader, it'll it'll ring

910
01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:07.840
out to you, even if they're
not necessarily going to have the budget to

911
01:01:07.840 --> 01:01:14.599
create a big actual lex with her
warsuit, which we kind of actually get

912
01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:15.400
on Supergirls. So I give them
credit for that, even though what's the

913
01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:22.599
classic like extremist style stuff that appears
that or nothing? You know, they

914
01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:23.559
give it, they give it a
little bit to us. But you know,

915
01:01:23.679 --> 01:01:27.920
Lana is uploading the stuff that she
stole from Tests, and she's talking

916
01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:30.920
to someone on the phone who we
turn turns out to be doctor Grohl was

917
01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:34.440
we found on the next episode the
gar from season six, So good conduitor

918
01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:37.559
there. But as she's doing this, there's an alert message. It says

919
01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:43.679
data stream record from unknown Wi Fi
device. It's like what, And that's

920
01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:45.960
just to show that Test has kind
of figured out what's going on, and

921
01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:51.519
that's that's setting up there confrontation later
in the episode. Huh, I'd forgotten

922
01:01:51.559 --> 01:01:55.079
that that was how she found out
about it. I thought that Lana had

923
01:01:55.159 --> 01:01:59.679
just in my head watching the episode, waiting for this to happen, knowing

924
01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:02.760
that that comes at some point in
the episode. I thought Lana had figured

925
01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:06.599
that out in her time away doing
her research about Lax. But I guess

926
01:02:06.599 --> 01:02:08.400
it's kind of cool that they show
it. She's stumbled upon it by accident.

927
01:02:12.639 --> 01:02:16.360
Let me come from that to uh
barbecue at Dan Turban's place, and

928
01:02:16.679 --> 01:02:21.599
hey, do you call continuity?
He's running around. He's got a blue

929
01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:25.239
shirt and we'll red cape, red
sweater tied round his neck. And Clark's

930
01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:28.639
say, hey, who are you
supposed to be? Were Angel? He

931
01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:34.440
says, no, I'm the red
blue Blur. Pretty cool, Huh.

932
01:02:34.639 --> 01:02:38.760
I like this and what the kid
dresses up as later. I like this

933
01:02:38.920 --> 01:02:45.199
better than when you're watching the crossover
of arrowin the Flash, and the kid

934
01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:53.559
already has full action figures of superheroes
that aren't necessarily established as common is the

935
01:02:53.599 --> 01:02:58.239
guys we have action figures for,
So I like that he's making his own

936
01:02:58.239 --> 01:03:00.480
costume for whatever to be. We
know he early wear a mask and that's

937
01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:05.199
not necessarily his outfit, but it's
what a kid would put together. I

938
01:03:05.199 --> 01:03:07.719
thought it was cool. I thought
it was cute. Yeah, no,

939
01:03:07.719 --> 01:03:10.000
no, that that's that's a good
point. Like who is making these green

940
01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:16.760
Arrow and Flash uh DC direct you
know action figures in the arrow verse or

941
01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:22.199
Williams? Like I like the Flash
that's pretty. That's a good point.

942
01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:25.079
Um, Like I can see him
having a Flash action figure, but he

943
01:03:25.079 --> 01:03:30.800
has a green Arrow one too,
doesn't he? Yeah? And and like

944
01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:35.360
have villains. Yeah, it's like, hey, do you have your Alsama

945
01:03:35.360 --> 01:03:37.079
Bin Laden action figure? You know? I don't know, Like I'm trying

946
01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:44.440
to think of an equivalent, right, oh man, But anyway, uh,

947
01:03:44.519 --> 01:03:47.079
that is that is cool to like
In Terman, he's like not too

948
01:03:47.119 --> 01:03:50.960
hot on the on the capes,
but his son is a family that's classic

949
01:03:51.000 --> 01:03:55.440
rights. And then Clark Stark starts
talking to Dan Turpin's wife, the actress

950
01:03:55.480 --> 01:04:00.519
Sarah Smith, and she is in
Supergirl in five. So it's just a

951
01:04:00.599 --> 01:04:05.159
character called Lydia Lockwood. Do you
know who her husband in that show is?

952
01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:10.079
Oh? Is it Sam Whimber?
It? Oh? Because I okay,

953
01:04:10.079 --> 01:04:13.480
I looked at this. I haven't
watched almost any of that Supergirl right

954
01:04:13.559 --> 01:04:15.800
like that those seasons. But I
was like, oh, she's in season

955
01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:24.639
four with Sam Whimber, so is
it? It's incredible connected Smallville is the

956
01:04:24.639 --> 01:04:29.800
blueprint. Okay, that's pretty cool
anyway. She's also looks like she's in

957
01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:33.360
some Hallmark Christmas movie, so you
might hear someone somewhere and talk about those

958
01:04:33.559 --> 01:04:41.639
uh Christmas getaway a Mistletoe promise,
And she's in Wynn Calls the Heart,

959
01:04:41.880 --> 01:04:45.079
which is a favorite of everyone in
there. Overs. I think there's a

960
01:04:45.079 --> 01:04:49.880
lot of actors who show up on
that as well, So that's funny.

961
01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:54.280
I I, of course I will
watch Supergirl and entirety one day, and

962
01:04:54.320 --> 01:04:56.960
so this will be fun for me
to see all these people pop back up.

963
01:04:57.000 --> 01:04:59.719
But uh, you know, I
think, um that that's cool because

964
01:04:59.719 --> 01:05:01.119
she you know, she's like,
hey, you know, thanks for having

965
01:05:01.119 --> 01:05:04.559
his back and a little The important
thing is this is Clark seeing that family

966
01:05:04.599 --> 01:05:09.199
life as you discussed, like having
that balance to having the family life,

967
01:05:09.199 --> 01:05:12.320
being the hero putting your life on
the line, and then the other generic

968
01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:15.199
cops coming in. He's like,
hey, man, rookie really or just

969
01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:19.320
keep today man? You know,
yeah, humanizes Turpin a little more than

970
01:05:19.360 --> 01:05:24.320
the others because you see Turpin's family
even though there are other families are there

971
01:05:24.320 --> 01:05:27.679
too, right, Like it's not
just it's such as his family and his

972
01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:30.320
other wives. Oh yeah, there
are there are other people. There seemed

973
01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:36.320
to be other people around the head
guy. Officer Talbert is his name.

974
01:05:38.039 --> 01:05:43.039
The actor will grow familiar and he's
in the Planet of the Apes movies,

975
01:05:43.079 --> 01:05:45.679
The New Ones. He's in the
Chronicles of Riddick. He's an X two

976
01:05:46.880 --> 01:05:50.639
X Men United character called Mitchell Lario, who I have no idea who that

977
01:05:50.760 --> 01:05:55.639
is. He's in Man of the
High Castle. He's in Supernatural, He's

978
01:05:55.639 --> 01:05:58.719
in Project Blue Book. Like this
guy's a hardworking actor because he's just he

979
01:05:59.119 --> 01:06:00.199
isn't one of those faces. I'm
like, this guy's in stuff, you

980
01:06:00.239 --> 01:06:06.920
know. He said his character was
Lauria. Yeah, Mitchell Laurio in X

981
01:06:06.960 --> 01:06:11.960
two X Men United everything Laura,
and I thought you were gonna say,

982
01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:14.480
like maybe it's related to like Dan
Lauria. No, no, no,

983
01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:16.800
no, he's Oh he's of course
he is. He's in voss Archolactica,

984
01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:24.400
Blood and Chrome. Oh, here
it is. He plays Martin Summers on

985
01:06:24.599 --> 01:06:30.679
Era one episode the second episode of
season one, Honor. They father.

986
01:06:31.159 --> 01:06:35.320
And who does he play in Man
of Steel? Is he Man of Steel?

987
01:06:35.559 --> 01:06:41.960
No, I don't let me let
me see. I don't see how

988
01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:44.760
he's He was too busy being on
Volensar Elastica, Blood and Chrome. New

989
01:06:44.760 --> 01:06:48.800
appearance on Man of Steel. He's
in the Tomorrow People with Peyton List this

990
01:06:49.000 --> 01:06:53.599
Man the Sky. So he's a
Vancouver actor. Yeah, yeah, big

991
01:06:53.639 --> 01:06:58.320
time. He's an alien versus predator
requiem as is um Dan Turban here.

992
01:06:58.719 --> 01:07:08.519
So anyway, he also placed Drulie
on Crypto the Superdog. It's good on

993
01:07:08.679 --> 01:07:13.119
you man. A hardworking actor if
there ever was one. But anyway,

994
01:07:15.559 --> 01:07:17.639
that seemed to be like after work
that day for them. They had the

995
01:07:17.719 --> 01:07:21.960
day shift. Yeah, and then
first day on the job and invite the

996
01:07:21.960 --> 01:07:25.440
new guy over the house. That's
cool. I like that. You know,

997
01:07:25.480 --> 01:07:28.159
they're all bonding and stuff. The
way they were talking, it seemed

998
01:07:28.159 --> 01:07:32.199
like this is a regular occurrence,
but use every day. And they were

999
01:07:32.199 --> 01:07:38.360
having conversations about like hopefully were this
lucky tomorrow and well, yeah, that's

1000
01:07:38.360 --> 01:07:40.599
something, you know, that's something
the dan Terman's wife says. You know,

1001
01:07:40.639 --> 01:07:42.559
his last partner, Mike, you
know, you know, he always

1002
01:07:42.559 --> 01:07:48.599
though he was bulletproof episode title set
an episode plus one. But these you

1003
01:07:48.639 --> 01:07:51.079
know, these guys, these guys
are they're shady, you know, they're

1004
01:07:51.079 --> 01:07:54.039
like, oh man, you know, rookie, you know, put your

1005
01:07:54.039 --> 01:07:56.679
neck out for somebody you don't know. H it's pretty it's pretty tough.

1006
01:07:56.800 --> 01:08:00.239
And Clark's like, isn't that what
police officers are supposed to to do?

1007
01:08:01.360 --> 01:08:08.280
This guy? But that shows you, like the uh, that kind of

1008
01:08:08.320 --> 01:08:12.599
shows you that they're not quite in
the right space mentally to to be police

1009
01:08:12.599 --> 01:08:15.520
officers. So that was I think
that's that was subtle. That was well,

1010
01:08:15.560 --> 01:08:17.920
that was fine, right. A
couple of lines later, I'm like,

1011
01:08:17.920 --> 01:08:20.840
who but anyway, that that was
subtle. That was good. Um.

1012
01:08:23.279 --> 01:08:26.279
And then all their their phones start
going off and the like have another

1013
01:08:26.319 --> 01:08:29.439
call, and like I thought to
myself, well, that's strange. Their

1014
01:08:29.439 --> 01:08:31.479
shift is over, so what are
the game called away for? But all

1015
01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:34.079
these looks they were changing with each
other and be like, it's it's not

1016
01:08:34.159 --> 01:08:40.319
real work, right right, it's
something else and undercover Clark didn't get the

1017
01:08:40.319 --> 01:08:43.520
call. No. I thought it
was a little I thought it was at

1018
01:08:43.520 --> 01:08:46.640
odd the thing included him right away. But I guess if you want to

1019
01:08:46.680 --> 01:08:51.279
bring him into how things should be
well and it would be kind of obvious

1020
01:08:51.279 --> 01:08:55.560
if they if he didn't, right, and also he did, he did

1021
01:08:55.600 --> 01:08:57.880
just save Dan Turpin's life. So
they're probably thinking, I don't know,

1022
01:08:57.920 --> 01:09:01.359
but yeah, it's that is that's
a big that's a big leap of faith,

1023
01:09:01.560 --> 01:09:03.000
like, hey, let's let's bring
you out on this, on this

1024
01:09:03.079 --> 01:09:06.399
vigilante justice that we're having. Even
ironically, even though they hate capes,

1025
01:09:06.600 --> 01:09:11.439
right, they're the ones doing vigilanting
justice. Well, they have rules and

1026
01:09:12.439 --> 01:09:16.159
yeah, the Capes don't, even
though they're not following their rules that they're

1027
01:09:16.159 --> 01:09:21.039
supposed to be following. I think
it goes to show more there how cocky

1028
01:09:21.079 --> 01:09:26.359
they are, how confident they are
and what they're doing, because they're gonna

1029
01:09:26.359 --> 01:09:29.640
bring the new guy in here and
they're not worried about him ratting him out

1030
01:09:29.720 --> 01:09:31.479
or anything like that. And even
later on, like they're so confident like,

1031
01:09:31.479 --> 01:09:33.960
oh, we're gonna kill the green
Arrow, so like they clearly don't

1032
01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:39.359
think they can be touched. Gonna
kill the greener good lug with that.

1033
01:09:40.399 --> 01:09:44.319
Oh they already tried for the Martianman
Hunter. Yeah, but they didn't know

1034
01:09:45.319 --> 01:09:49.600
they arrested Superman. They don't even
they don't even know these things, right,

1035
01:09:50.479 --> 01:09:55.600
but we we cut the isis and
uh, you know, I noticed

1036
01:09:55.600 --> 01:09:57.800
sometimes when they want to make tests
like more evil, they had a little

1037
01:09:57.840 --> 01:10:00.279
more eyeshadow to her. And that's
what they kind of do in this scene.

1038
01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:04.239
Right. It's it's the Teslana confrontation
because you you corrupted Prometheus files and

1039
01:10:04.279 --> 01:10:08.920
Alex is going to die and now
I'm gonna shoot you. Yeah, I'm

1040
01:10:08.920 --> 01:10:15.039
like, whoa, Okay, so
this is a this is confirming that Tess

1041
01:10:15.159 --> 01:10:19.439
knows that Lex is alive and is
working for him, right, and like,

1042
01:10:19.600 --> 01:10:21.640
because that had been unclear. I
don't know when. I don't think

1043
01:10:21.680 --> 01:10:25.800
it's ever made clear on the show, honestly, because when she shows up

1044
01:10:25.800 --> 01:10:28.920
at the ending of season eight,
she doesn't know where Alex is, and

1045
01:10:28.960 --> 01:10:32.600
I think for several episodes she really
does trying to find it. But apparently

1046
01:10:33.680 --> 01:10:39.199
some time between her last appearance and
here, because she hasn't been in a

1047
01:10:39.199 --> 01:10:42.079
couple of episodes. Now, I
don't know, I don't I don't know

1048
01:10:42.079 --> 01:10:45.600
if she necessarily knows where he is, but she knows he's alive and she's

1049
01:10:45.640 --> 01:10:48.960
helping him. Yeah, she's helping
him. Clearly, this project is important

1050
01:10:49.039 --> 01:10:55.880
for him. Maybe she got more
messages from X that we didn't see my

1051
01:10:55.960 --> 01:11:00.079
head cannon for that. As I've
said on the podcast now, is that's

1052
01:11:00.119 --> 01:11:03.880
brainiac working inside Chloe because as soon
as she found out that the thing existed,

1053
01:11:04.079 --> 01:11:06.319
he took over her mind us in
those emails to will think. Anyway,

1054
01:11:06.359 --> 01:11:11.079
that's my makes way more sense than
lex reprogramming it. What are you

1055
01:11:11.119 --> 01:11:15.319
talking about, man? Yeah?
Anyway, Tests has some low blows against

1056
01:11:15.399 --> 01:11:20.560
Lana here she's mentions the miscarriage.
Well, Laana says she can't be controlled.

1057
01:11:21.399 --> 01:11:28.279
And this is a good scene between
them though. Yeah, it shows

1058
01:11:28.279 --> 01:11:30.279
they're pretty evenly matched. It does, you know, and you know Tests

1059
01:11:30.399 --> 01:11:35.079
trained by checkmate is you found out
next season? But but Rick Flag because

1060
01:11:35.079 --> 01:11:39.920
who Lana was trained by? As
you find out and not see that's the

1061
01:11:39.960 --> 01:11:43.039
thing. Okay we were just talking
about and this is a conversation for power

1062
01:11:43.039 --> 01:11:45.039
the next episode, Chris. But
like the guy who trains Lana the Rise

1063
01:11:45.039 --> 01:11:50.319
of Chung Lee, all right,
yep, he goes on in season ten

1064
01:11:50.359 --> 01:11:58.000
to play Rick Flag. Yes,
a very very similar character by the same

1065
01:11:58.000 --> 01:12:01.079
actor a season and a half apart. Uh why not just make that guy?

1066
01:12:01.119 --> 01:12:04.479
Replied yea, and they should have
said like, oh, yeah,

1067
01:12:04.720 --> 01:12:08.079
you know, I trade lone like
under my code name of whatever. You

1068
01:12:08.079 --> 01:12:12.359
know what I'm saying, Like it's
strange, but um, anyway, they're

1069
01:12:12.399 --> 01:12:15.680
pretty good to fight here, much
better than the Clark Doomsday fight right at

1070
01:12:15.680 --> 01:12:23.359
the end of the season. Definitely
more production value here, like I would

1071
01:12:23.359 --> 01:12:27.840
have I would have taken something like
this, like find a way to because

1072
01:12:28.479 --> 01:12:31.399
Doomsday is so powerful and Clark prob
you don't have to have be like a

1073
01:12:31.479 --> 01:12:38.800
super knockdown throw off fight like you
see Clark having against himself and other seasons

1074
01:12:38.840 --> 01:12:42.520
and the case. Have it be
like some hand to hand combat like this.

1075
01:12:43.279 --> 01:12:45.720
No, I mean this is probably
the best fight since Lona versus Chloe

1076
01:12:45.760 --> 01:12:51.800
and Delete back in season like a
season three. But how to make the

1077
01:12:51.840 --> 01:12:56.520
girls fight better than the superheroes.
No, you're absolutely right, And they

1078
01:12:56.520 --> 01:12:58.560
didn't. I think that was their
restact, Like they thought they were gonna

1079
01:12:58.560 --> 01:13:00.199
have like a straw all these city
blocks. I just get these two guys

1080
01:13:00.279 --> 01:13:04.239
like in a warehouse, a guy
that I mean you had a very impressive

1081
01:13:04.279 --> 01:13:08.079
James. They suit and have him
and Tom Willing grapple, you know,

1082
01:13:08.119 --> 01:13:10.479
and do something like just anything more
of them. We got but that's that's

1083
01:13:10.479 --> 01:13:13.600
a conversation for another day. And
uh yeah. So so a lot of

1084
01:13:13.640 --> 01:13:15.960
it gets the jump on Tests gets
the gun and then and then pointing the

1085
01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:17.800
gun at her, and then we
cut the commercial and I'm like, are

1086
01:13:17.760 --> 01:13:19.880
we gonna get another lot of kills? No, we're not a lot of

1087
01:13:19.880 --> 01:13:26.399
it's not going to kill tests.
Uh. But then we'll come back from

1088
01:13:26.439 --> 01:13:29.399
commercial and it's revealed what is going
on here with the cops. That's forty

1089
01:13:29.439 --> 01:13:31.159
fourth precincts. So when when Clark
was in the car with Dan in turbine

1090
01:13:31.159 --> 01:13:35.479
earlier and he like kisses the picture
of his wife and kid before he goes,

1091
01:13:35.840 --> 01:13:39.520
you know, on a call,
and there there's another picture behind that

1092
01:13:39.520 --> 01:13:44.159
picture that Clark kind of take notice
of and fell off the the the review

1093
01:13:44.159 --> 01:13:46.079
mirror there, and it's of some
criminal or get some mug shot, right,

1094
01:13:46.399 --> 01:13:48.640
and you're like, hmm, this
will definitely come into play later.

1095
01:13:49.159 --> 01:13:54.359
And they arrive at this warehoul.
The cops arrive at this warehouse here and

1096
01:13:54.399 --> 01:13:56.520
that guy is there right like,
hey, we got a present for you,

1097
01:13:56.600 --> 01:13:59.439
Danny. He's the guy that killed
his partner, right yeah, and

1098
01:13:59.680 --> 01:14:02.640
this is or we get some of
that, uh, the problematic dialogue.

1099
01:14:02.640 --> 01:14:10.119
So like Dan Jefferin's going in there
to h to beat up this guy because

1100
01:14:10.159 --> 01:14:13.680
he got off on a technicality,
right, and he's like giving any of

1101
01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:15.399
what you did to me and my
partner's family and is really wailing on him,

1102
01:14:15.479 --> 01:14:19.760
right. Uh. And then you
know Clark, Like Clark's seeing this

1103
01:14:19.800 --> 01:14:23.359
and he's about to like kind of
move in, and Talbert, the head,

1104
01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:26.119
the ringleader of this whole operation,
he stops Clark. He says,

1105
01:14:26.720 --> 01:14:30.239
we may not control the system,
but we control the streets. I was

1106
01:14:30.279 --> 01:14:39.760
like, like, I know what
you're trying to say, Small will fine

1107
01:14:39.800 --> 01:14:43.359
line that you have a thin blue
line. It's a thin there's a thin

1108
01:14:43.439 --> 01:14:45.359
blue line. You're absolutely right,
so that it just it just can't help

1109
01:14:45.359 --> 01:14:48.359
but stick out in these days.
You get you get what Small those trying

1110
01:14:48.399 --> 01:14:51.640
to do here. They're trying to
show that how far do you go to

1111
01:14:51.680 --> 01:14:58.119
get justice? What what's right and
what's wrong compared to capes doing what they

1112
01:14:58.159 --> 01:15:00.520
do without their rules or what the
cops do. The system fails, right,

1113
01:15:01.640 --> 01:15:04.880
But well there's no argument that,
like the justice system has flaws and

1114
01:15:04.880 --> 01:15:09.079
people get through the cracks all the
time. And I guess the question is

1115
01:15:09.079 --> 01:15:12.039
like, what is the correct response
to that, right, not beating him

1116
01:15:12.079 --> 01:15:15.479
up in a warehouse and killing him? Right. And that's that's the angle

1117
01:15:15.520 --> 01:15:18.720
they're going through with Smallville story here, Like that's what they're like approaching,

1118
01:15:18.760 --> 01:15:21.880
not like the whole like cops are
just out there doing whatever they want,

1119
01:15:23.439 --> 01:15:26.600
Like, I mean, they're doing
that in this context, but you know,

1120
01:15:26.640 --> 01:15:30.399
it's a different Uh, it's it's
a different shade of that than than

1121
01:15:30.600 --> 01:15:32.760
kind of the what's so much in
the in the in the conversation today?

1122
01:15:32.800 --> 01:15:34.960
But but yeah, I mean you
take some of the dialogue like damn,

1123
01:15:35.640 --> 01:15:40.000
the more things change, the more
things stay the same, unfortunately. Yeah,

1124
01:15:40.079 --> 01:15:45.039
And essentially Clark gets saved by Oliver
show up. Like what was Clark

1125
01:15:45.039 --> 01:15:46.680
gonna do? Like literally, they
throw him a crowbar. They're like,

1126
01:15:46.720 --> 01:15:49.600
hey, you're just gonna stay in
there, fordman or you're gonna man up,

1127
01:15:49.760 --> 01:15:53.600
give your partner a hand. And
Clark's He's looking at this like you

1128
01:15:53.640 --> 01:15:59.119
know, tire iron and uh,
I assume if if Oliver had not shown

1129
01:15:59.199 --> 01:16:01.319
up, then Clark would have done
something with superpowers and got out of there.

1130
01:16:01.439 --> 01:16:03.960
I didn't I didn't remember this episode, so I'm like, what is

1131
01:16:04.199 --> 01:16:08.560
I was really on the edge of
my seat wondering what Clark was gonna do.

1132
01:16:09.159 --> 01:16:14.199
Right, So green Arrow showing up, fantastic timing. Huh yeah,

1133
01:16:14.239 --> 01:16:17.319
And at what point does he realize
that that's Clark? Because he shoots everybody

1134
01:16:17.319 --> 01:16:21.119
and Clark catches it. You think
he would have pegged by it then that

1135
01:16:21.199 --> 01:16:25.680
it was Clark from looking from the
rafters or whatnot, because he really seems

1136
01:16:25.680 --> 01:16:30.319
surprised when Lark Clark, when Clark
pulls the arrow at of him and pulls

1137
01:16:30.359 --> 01:16:33.159
the arrow at him and kind of
gets in his way, what the hell

1138
01:16:33.199 --> 01:16:36.239
are you doing here? Right?
And speaking of it being cold, I

1139
01:16:36.239 --> 01:16:40.359
mean this might have played a factor
in why they re slieves on the green

1140
01:16:40.479 --> 01:16:45.079
Arrow costume this time. Because David
Packow and Small of The Fishing Magazine number

1141
01:16:45.079 --> 01:16:47.880
thirty two had this to say about
these action scenes. Quote, there were

1142
01:16:47.920 --> 01:16:53.000
some stunts that were done at four
a m. We use squibs and the

1143
01:16:53.039 --> 01:16:55.760
whole works. But justin Harley headed
worse than me. He was wearing his

1144
01:16:55.840 --> 01:16:58.680
leather green arrow outfit, which is
harder to move in, and it was

1145
01:16:58.720 --> 01:17:01.279
cold outside too. I was the
victim in most of the scenes, so

1146
01:17:01.319 --> 01:17:04.840
I just had to run around and
try not to get shot. So I

1147
01:17:04.960 --> 01:17:08.560
feel that that's what it was.
They're like, it's too cold justin putting

1148
01:17:08.560 --> 01:17:11.920
the sleeves back, because I assume
they either have like an alternate version of

1149
01:17:11.960 --> 01:17:14.960
this costume with the sleeves or they
can just like put the sleeves on and

1150
01:17:14.960 --> 01:17:16.600
then he puts the vest on over
the over that kind of like wet suit

1151
01:17:16.640 --> 01:17:19.640
or whatever they have going on there. So but no, this was this

1152
01:17:19.640 --> 01:17:23.600
was cool to see him take that
on these guys, because this is stuff

1153
01:17:23.600 --> 01:17:26.279
I wanted to see more of,
kind of when Green Arrow being a main

1154
01:17:26.359 --> 01:17:28.680
character on the show, like Clark
is operating and then he just runs in

1155
01:17:28.720 --> 01:17:32.159
the Green Arrow during his thing,
because that rarely I feel like that rarely

1156
01:17:32.159 --> 01:17:36.000
happened on the show. Yeah,
postseason six, you don't see as much

1157
01:17:36.720 --> 01:17:43.039
Oliver as Green Arrow being Green Arrow
anymore. So it's nice that you get

1158
01:17:43.079 --> 01:17:48.520
moments like this, and you also
get Dan Turpin seeing Clark talked to the

1159
01:17:48.560 --> 01:17:54.520
Green Arrow. Yeah, everyone else
gets electrocuted and goes unconscious to keep Clark's

1160
01:17:54.520 --> 01:18:00.079
secret and not Turpid. Nope,
he's a little bit stronger. Yeah.

1161
01:18:00.159 --> 01:18:02.279
Yeah. So then we come back
to ices and a lot of it has

1162
01:18:02.439 --> 01:18:08.840
tested gun points, but it's not
going to kill her, and we get

1163
01:18:08.840 --> 01:18:14.560
a big info dump on like Lex's
backstory. She asked tests like were you

1164
01:18:14.600 --> 01:18:18.359
this loyal before or after your accident? And there was an explosion in South

1165
01:18:18.359 --> 01:18:25.880
America three years ago for disease samples
and I think I think this is during

1166
01:18:25.920 --> 01:18:30.159
season five when Lex was collecting all
those diseases for brainiac said two years ago,

1167
01:18:32.239 --> 01:18:35.800
well you know your give or take. Well. It also goes into

1168
01:18:35.960 --> 01:18:42.159
Testa's backstory where she knows that there
is somewhere down in South America's when Clarke

1169
01:18:42.199 --> 01:18:45.880
Heady go get the antidote. Yeah
yeah, and being a you know,

1170
01:18:45.479 --> 01:18:48.399
oceanographer with all that stuff, like
it's it kind of attracts. I mean,

1171
01:18:48.439 --> 01:18:51.439
this is what they're having to make
all this stuff up now because I

1172
01:18:51.439 --> 01:18:57.119
think they finally realized that Michael Rosamum
is not coming back, so they're like,

1173
01:18:57.119 --> 01:18:59.439
well, I guess we'll just write
all this stuff in next position.

1174
01:18:59.760 --> 01:19:06.119
Because what's what's interesting here is like
Lana activates this you know signal through all

1175
01:19:06.119 --> 01:19:13.159
the ISIS cameras in the computer room
there, and it shows that everything Tests

1176
01:19:13.399 --> 01:19:17.520
sees in here is being transmitted to
lex La says. Lata says, I'm

1177
01:19:17.560 --> 01:19:23.680
opening your eyes and quite literally literally
yeah, quite literally, and it's the

1178
01:19:23.720 --> 01:19:27.399
whole like you know, infinitude.
Look because she's hold her hands up from

1179
01:19:27.399 --> 01:19:29.279
the TV. It's really cool.
It's like whenever we have like a cam

1180
01:19:29.359 --> 01:19:31.319
quorter tod TV, what do we
do? We pointed out the TV and

1181
01:19:31.399 --> 01:19:35.319
we divide by zero and it's you
know, it's bringing it back to Star

1182
01:19:35.319 --> 01:19:44.520
Wars when Ray goes into her dark
side on Octo and but you can tell

1183
01:19:44.560 --> 01:19:46.800
that Tess like oh, because she's
she didn't know what's going on. She's

1184
01:19:46.800 --> 01:19:50.079
pretty shocked by this and let lex
never trusted her. That's what Lana.

1185
01:19:50.520 --> 01:19:58.319
This point is with all this,
Definitely I loved you use something a bitch

1186
01:20:00.159 --> 01:20:05.159
roma was here, but I I
would argue that I'm thinking at this point

1187
01:20:05.199 --> 01:20:10.000
they probably still hope they were going
to get Michael Rosimhan back, because we

1188
01:20:10.039 --> 01:20:13.920
see later where they use a photo
of him. They're establishing him is an

1189
01:20:13.920 --> 01:20:19.000
active character wanting to get a suit
to make himself better. And this episode

1190
01:20:19.079 --> 01:20:24.600
is essentially the turning point for Tests
where she's no longer like she starts on

1191
01:20:24.640 --> 01:20:28.560
her trend to not necessarily be the
villain, right, because I see what

1192
01:20:28.600 --> 01:20:30.680
you mean. Yeah, she wants
to merge with Oliver at the end,

1193
01:20:31.319 --> 01:20:36.359
and there's I think that this was
more of a Test turning point than necessarily

1194
01:20:36.880 --> 01:20:44.399
closing the door on Lex. Yeah, that's true, because now there's no

1195
01:20:44.399 --> 01:20:50.239
one to be that nefarious, you
know, just serving that role the Legs

1196
01:20:50.279 --> 01:20:55.520
had through Through or Lionel right for
all the previous seasons, and she wouldn't

1197
01:20:55.560 --> 01:20:59.520
make What makes Test dangerous is you
think she is essentially Lex two point zero.

1198
01:20:59.600 --> 01:21:06.159
She's in and in bed with Lex
and not literally, but she's in

1199
01:21:06.199 --> 01:21:10.319
his league and running his company,
and how much does she know? How

1200
01:21:10.399 --> 01:21:14.119
much does she not know? And
essentially this kind of turns her against Lex.

1201
01:21:14.880 --> 01:21:16.479
Well, but I think this is
a very comm book lex Uther thing

1202
01:21:16.479 --> 01:21:20.600
to do. Like someone under his
control had some accident, so he's,

1203
01:21:20.680 --> 01:21:24.359
as LNA says, he saved you, but he don't trust you, right,

1204
01:21:24.359 --> 01:21:28.359
So he saved her, but he
put this neurotransmitter, right, nano

1205
01:21:28.399 --> 01:21:31.640
transmitter inside of her optic nerve or
whatever. How many more people does he

1206
01:21:31.720 --> 01:21:34.199
have this? Who knows? But
this is I mean, this is what

1207
01:21:34.279 --> 01:21:38.079
Lex does in the comics with like
people like my Talo right. I mean,

1208
01:21:38.119 --> 01:21:41.359
that's that's very on brand for Lex
Luthor. So like that's he sees

1209
01:21:41.399 --> 01:21:45.279
people his resources to be used instead
of people for people's sake. One of

1210
01:21:45.319 --> 01:21:47.880
my favorite Lex with her stories,
and I couldn't tell you what comic it's

1211
01:21:47.920 --> 01:21:53.800
from. He goes into some random
diner and he sits down and he talks

1212
01:21:53.840 --> 01:21:58.359
to this woman and basically offers her
all this money to like just run away

1213
01:21:58.399 --> 01:22:01.119
with him right now, leave everything
behind and leave her family, leave everything

1214
01:22:01.159 --> 01:22:04.840
and come be with him. And
then he just she goes in the back

1215
01:22:04.880 --> 01:22:09.560
and then he just disappears and leaves
her there. And then he's talking to

1216
01:22:09.600 --> 01:22:13.319
somebody about it and said, basically
he ruined her life because she's always gonna

1217
01:22:13.319 --> 01:22:15.960
wonder if she should have done it
or not. Yeah, you know that

1218
01:22:15.800 --> 01:22:20.399
Roca told me that story on a
podcast I think it was. I think

1219
01:22:20.399 --> 01:22:23.520
it was on Fracture. He was
telling me about that story too. I

1220
01:22:23.560 --> 01:22:25.920
haven't heard I haven't read that comment. I think he's probably talking to Mercy

1221
01:22:25.920 --> 01:22:29.560
Graves or somebody, right, But
it's just he's just a sociopath man.

1222
01:22:29.760 --> 01:22:31.560
And yeah, that's that's that's what's
so interesting. Like he doesn't he doesn't

1223
01:22:31.560 --> 01:22:34.439
care what kind of damage he leaves
in his wake. And that's and now

1224
01:22:34.439 --> 01:22:39.039
that you know, Lex has passed
the pointing overturn, as far as Smallvill

1225
01:22:39.119 --> 01:22:43.760
goes, he can get away with
him doing stuff like that. I mean

1226
01:22:43.800 --> 01:22:46.640
he was gonna use the cyborg on
this show, right, Yeah, wipe

1227
01:22:46.640 --> 01:22:50.600
his memory and then use him as
a tool and all those um super soldiers

1228
01:22:50.640 --> 01:22:56.960
and all that stuff. So probably
what we would have seen if Rosenbaum had

1229
01:22:57.399 --> 01:23:00.039
say that, we would have had
Nefarius Lex doing much more evil face.

1230
01:23:00.199 --> 01:23:03.199
Well, let's well, I gotta
I gotta question, but we'll say it.

1231
01:23:03.239 --> 01:23:05.640
We'll say WI to the end though, up for for that. But

1232
01:23:08.680 --> 01:23:15.520
we cut to the hospital and Clark
is there and Dan Turpin is there.

1233
01:23:16.159 --> 01:23:20.800
How I don't know why they're both
there? How did how did Turpin know

1234
01:23:20.880 --> 01:23:27.119
that Clark would go there? Yeah, that's I have no idea. Well,

1235
01:23:27.159 --> 01:23:29.560
he knows that he was asking these
questions about John Jones. I guess

1236
01:23:29.600 --> 01:23:31.439
that's that's that's how he knows.
So because because Clark is there, he's

1237
01:23:31.479 --> 01:23:35.039
watching, you know, John Jones. He talks to Hamilton. Hamilton has

1238
01:23:35.039 --> 01:23:40.079
some dialogue here, like he has
like two lines, which is clearly like

1239
01:23:40.119 --> 01:23:42.920
good on them for setting up Hamilton
here and then making you more later,

1240
01:23:42.920 --> 01:23:45.479
because I was like, dude,
is that is that it for Doctor Hamilton?

1241
01:23:45.720 --> 01:23:47.840
I would have been pissed if that
was especial. You cast a guy

1242
01:23:47.880 --> 01:23:51.359
like like that and then have him
have four lines. It doesn't I know,

1243
01:23:51.439 --> 01:23:55.319
you're kind of figgy on the later
season you don't remember him like singing

1244
01:23:55.319 --> 01:23:57.880
out this and no, no,
no, no, I remember all that.

1245
01:23:57.920 --> 01:24:00.000
I'm just saying like at the time, like I'm like, oh cool,

1246
01:24:00.079 --> 01:24:02.920
we have a new Doctor Hamilton.
Oh wait, he had four lines?

1247
01:24:03.119 --> 01:24:05.920
Is he ever gonna be back?
Did they waste mister Gaina from BSG

1248
01:24:06.159 --> 01:24:10.279
No? I remember him very much
so in nine and ten, you know,

1249
01:24:10.840 --> 01:24:15.520
but not so much in an eight. Well, I think setting the

1250
01:24:15.560 --> 01:24:17.880
lineup, we need somebody on the
payroll, and then having it the Emil

1251
01:24:17.960 --> 01:24:21.840
Hamilton, you kind of gotta you
would guess that it's somebody that's going to

1252
01:24:21.920 --> 01:24:29.680
be coming back. So Dan Turbine, he confronts Clark here, He's like,

1253
01:24:29.720 --> 01:24:34.720
what are you, Joe? You
fed AIB right, And I think

1254
01:24:34.760 --> 01:24:38.039
he connected The doctor just said,
like you ask him out, some detective

1255
01:24:38.079 --> 01:24:41.479
and then I see you because he
had asked about John Jones earlier to the

1256
01:24:41.520 --> 01:24:43.720
guys just kind of put some feelers
out to try and get to the bottom

1257
01:24:43.720 --> 01:24:47.960
of stuff and h and if he
finds them checking up on him at at

1258
01:24:47.960 --> 01:24:55.000
the at the hospital, and Clark's
like he Clark tells him that, hey,

1259
01:24:55.039 --> 01:24:58.760
I know the guy who shot him. It's part of your squad,

1260
01:24:59.000 --> 01:25:00.560
you know. And it's not the
first time they've gone after you know,

1261
01:25:01.279 --> 01:25:08.079
just your justice, you know,
vigilante justice, right street justice. And

1262
01:25:08.159 --> 01:25:10.880
then he confronts Me's like, who
you're protecting? Right? You don't roll

1263
01:25:10.920 --> 01:25:14.159
over on a badge, Chris not
Ever, That's how I learned from this

1264
01:25:14.199 --> 01:25:20.359
episode of Smallville. These guys have
my back. Ben Well he ever tuned

1265
01:25:20.359 --> 01:25:27.800
over one of your own sounds bad
now, but we still have more episode

1266
01:25:27.840 --> 01:25:30.319
that I do. Like what Clark
says. He says, this is not

1267
01:25:30.399 --> 01:25:33.279
justice, and again that is the
point of this episode. It's it's trying

1268
01:25:33.319 --> 01:25:36.880
to say the right thing right,
and it's it's some of the phrases they

1269
01:25:38.000 --> 01:25:41.760
use are kind of lightning Rod phrases
perhaps these days, but like it's heart

1270
01:25:41.920 --> 01:25:44.800
is in the right, it's hard
is always in the rice plates, right,

1271
01:25:45.159 --> 01:25:47.079
even with Subterranean, which is like
the everl equivalent episode. I compare

1272
01:25:47.119 --> 01:25:50.640
this to where it's like, well, and if he's in this country illegally,

1273
01:25:50.640 --> 01:25:55.840
then he needs to be deported.
I'm like, whoa says says the

1274
01:25:55.920 --> 01:25:58.239
Hispanic chariff. He's like, well, he should have done it like my

1275
01:25:58.239 --> 01:26:01.439
parents did the right way, like
God. But again, they were trying

1276
01:26:01.439 --> 01:26:06.079
to make an analogy, right between
Clark being in this country, like as

1277
01:26:06.119 --> 01:26:10.039
an illegal immigrant for lack of a
better term, right, they were trying

1278
01:26:10.079 --> 01:26:12.640
to do something with that, and
this episode they're trying to do something the

1279
01:26:12.680 --> 01:26:15.359
fact of like, you know what, you have cops who are also acting

1280
01:26:15.359 --> 01:26:17.319
like vigilantes, but they hate vigilantes, So where's the line there, right,

1281
01:26:17.319 --> 01:26:21.199
And Clark is trying to juggle all
these things and ultimately, again this

1282
01:26:21.279 --> 01:26:27.640
is not justice, That's the point. Yeah, Heart's in the right place.

1283
01:26:27.760 --> 01:26:30.000
Could have done a little bit better. There's also a noticeable lack of

1284
01:26:30.039 --> 01:26:34.359
diversity in the police squad. Well, they do shoot the one black detective.

1285
01:26:34.399 --> 01:26:40.720
I was like, I didn't even
realize that they even worse, God's

1286
01:26:40.760 --> 01:26:45.680
sake. And then following up this
scene, we get Oliver confronting Clark at

1287
01:26:45.680 --> 01:26:50.760
the Kent Farm about you know,
he throws he throws that, like,

1288
01:26:50.840 --> 01:26:55.800
you know, one of those Green
Arrow darts at him and he's like,

1289
01:26:55.800 --> 01:26:57.760
oh, the funk looks good on
you. And he's like, they're not

1290
01:26:57.800 --> 01:27:00.520
all bad, Oliver, like,
you're not all bad, like you guys.

1291
01:27:00.760 --> 01:27:04.840
It's the barrage of all these statements
and phrases like all in in a

1292
01:27:04.880 --> 01:27:09.560
short amount of time that I'm like
getting overwhelmed by, honestly, but this

1293
01:27:09.640 --> 01:27:13.960
is you take a step back and
you'rek at it. Just in the small

1294
01:27:14.079 --> 01:27:15.880
universe. These characters. I like
how they have the different points of view

1295
01:27:15.880 --> 01:27:18.560
on this, Like Oliver's very hard
line about this. Superman's little more open

1296
01:27:18.560 --> 01:27:20.960
minded. Oliver's like, these guys
are doing bad. They need to be

1297
01:27:21.000 --> 01:27:25.199
punished, right, Uh, we
found a guy in the river the other

1298
01:27:25.239 --> 01:27:28.720
day. Probably your your buddies,
did the guy that the guy that John

1299
01:27:28.760 --> 01:27:30.680
Jones arrested in the beginning, Yeah, that's who they found in the river.

1300
01:27:31.800 --> 01:27:34.039
And Superman is like, you know
what, they were on the wrong

1301
01:27:34.079 --> 01:27:35.920
path. We need to give him
a chance. Like so this is a

1302
01:27:36.000 --> 01:27:39.399
very you know, Green Arrow is
you know what he can't have Batman,

1303
01:27:39.399 --> 01:27:42.439
You've Green Arrow. He's the Batman
circuit. This is a Superman and Batman

1304
01:27:42.479 --> 01:27:45.039
clash of ideologies of like how you
deal with criminals. I think so on

1305
01:27:45.239 --> 01:27:50.279
that front. From that angle,
the scene works. But again they throw

1306
01:27:50.359 --> 01:27:53.319
these probably in those lasts, and
you're like, like, hey, Ken,

1307
01:27:53.359 --> 01:27:55.720
it takes me out of it.
So what ends up happening is is

1308
01:27:55.760 --> 01:28:00.359
Oliver's defending the situation and Clark is
basically accusing Oliver being in that same situation

1309
01:28:00.399 --> 01:28:03.439
and doing the same thing the police
officer has done before, and he goes

1310
01:28:03.439 --> 01:28:08.119
so far that Oliver basically asked him
like, are you saying this is right?

1311
01:28:11.199 --> 01:28:13.399
I thought I thought you, of
all people would understand. I think

1312
01:28:13.439 --> 01:28:16.359
larger drops one of those, right. What I really like about these confrontations,

1313
01:28:16.399 --> 01:28:21.399
specifically between Oliver and Clark, is
they feel so strongly individually and from

1314
01:28:21.439 --> 01:28:25.399
their own viewpoints, and they go
at each other, and they always end

1315
01:28:25.479 --> 01:28:29.000
up ending the scene with them still
at odds, like they'll walk away without

1316
01:28:29.039 --> 01:28:31.960
resolution. But as we'll see later
in the episode, they both take what

1317
01:28:32.000 --> 01:28:36.239
the other person said to heart.
They actually they actually listen to each other,

1318
01:28:36.479 --> 01:28:41.399
even if it doesn't look like it
here in these confrontation scenes. It's

1319
01:28:41.399 --> 01:28:45.079
hard as a viewer because they're they're
strap for time. It's a full TV

1320
01:28:45.079 --> 01:28:47.880
show. They got to get these
arguments in. They can't actually sit here

1321
01:28:47.880 --> 01:28:51.680
and have full conversations. I always
feel when these ends, like I would

1322
01:28:51.680 --> 01:28:55.319
have said something more, like you
just let Oliver walk away after he gets

1323
01:28:55.359 --> 01:28:57.359
that. Last year, I would
have said something more. He kept it

1324
01:28:57.479 --> 01:29:00.279
going. But I get that they
can't always do that. Yeah, I

1325
01:29:00.319 --> 01:29:04.479
mean that's the thing, Like,
this is a an action adventure, young

1326
01:29:04.520 --> 01:29:11.720
adult romance show, right, and
it's not it's not breaking bad or something.

1327
01:29:11.720 --> 01:29:13.840
They can't sit down. They can't. I mean on a show like

1328
01:29:13.920 --> 01:29:17.239
that, you would have a twenty
minute scene of these guys hashing this up,

1329
01:29:17.279 --> 01:29:20.359
you know what I'm saying, like
hashing these out. Clark stands on

1330
01:29:20.399 --> 01:29:23.720
this is like, look, justice
is not throwing people in a dark room.

1331
01:29:23.720 --> 01:29:26.359
It's about helping them find their way
back to the light, you know,

1332
01:29:26.399 --> 01:29:29.680
I think, And that's the difference
between a superman and a batman,

1333
01:29:29.720 --> 01:29:32.039
for example, their points of view
on justice. So when you look at

1334
01:29:32.039 --> 01:29:35.640
it from that termament, From that
standpoint, I think it was a pretty

1335
01:29:35.640 --> 01:29:45.800
good scene. That's the strength of
this episode too, is Clark helping people

1336
01:29:45.199 --> 01:29:49.520
not necessarily just by using its powers, like helping them to come to the

1337
01:29:49.640 --> 01:29:55.520
right conclusion, helping them to learn
the right lesson and inspire hope, and

1338
01:29:56.000 --> 01:30:02.079
you know, not necessarily as catching
a bullet. Well, Oliver's the one

1339
01:30:02.159 --> 01:30:04.880
as he does, he's like calling
Clark in action, like how many more

1340
01:30:04.880 --> 01:30:08.159
people you don't let die? You? It's funny that he's the one that

1341
01:30:08.199 --> 01:30:11.319
says, you sit here and play
detective. You know, I'm gonna make

1342
01:30:11.319 --> 01:30:14.479
sure your boys don't put another person
in the hospital. So's they're they're kind

1343
01:30:14.520 --> 01:30:19.439
of mixing up perhaps what what what
the generic you know, Superman response would

1344
01:30:19.439 --> 01:30:23.640
be in the generic Batman response would
be in this situation. But Oliver and

1345
01:30:23.640 --> 01:30:26.000
he's pretty pissed about the whole thing. He storms off, and you can

1346
01:30:26.000 --> 01:30:29.520
tell that they're like, it's it's
very unresolved, as you said, and

1347
01:30:29.840 --> 01:30:32.880
I like that. Well, they're
both they're both strong willed, prideful.

1348
01:30:33.920 --> 01:30:36.880
They need to take a step back
before they can start to really listen to

1349
01:30:36.880 --> 01:30:41.560
each other. But then, what
do you think about Dan Turpin's selling out

1350
01:30:41.920 --> 01:30:47.279
Clark to uh to Talbert here it
fits in line with that how he was

1351
01:30:47.279 --> 01:30:50.560
early, I mean, his brotherhood. He knows he's not one of them,

1352
01:30:51.000 --> 01:30:57.439
so he's got to protect his own
I mean, he looks pretty upset

1353
01:30:57.439 --> 01:30:59.960
about him, and he's upset about
the whole situation. He's not like happy

1354
01:31:00.079 --> 01:31:02.520
about having to sell him out.
But he makes a couple of calls and

1355
01:31:02.520 --> 01:31:04.640
he easily finds out, Like,
like, what do you think like the

1356
01:31:04.760 --> 01:31:10.039
Chloe just invents some fake resume,
Right, this is easily and he knows

1357
01:31:10.079 --> 01:31:14.319
that he is Clark Kent, reporter
from the Daily Planet. If only he

1358
01:31:14.359 --> 01:31:16.600
had glasses, glad they would never
recognize him. Chris, but hey,

1359
01:31:16.600 --> 01:31:23.119
blue shirt, red jacket plus one
because clarkson Superman mode. He's at Simmons.

1360
01:31:23.520 --> 01:31:26.239
There's no setup for this, right, because you're like what, it's

1361
01:31:26.319 --> 01:31:28.720
kind of like out of context.
You're like, what is going on here?

1362
01:31:28.840 --> 01:31:32.800
You find out later Clark made a
comment earlier on that he had it

1363
01:31:32.880 --> 01:31:38.560
narrowed down to either Tilber or Simmons. Okay, so he's checking out Simmons's

1364
01:31:38.640 --> 01:31:42.199
place, but this is something something
were like, this was a trap they

1365
01:31:42.279 --> 01:31:46.039
set for him, gus in the
trunk, but now his fingerprints are all

1366
01:31:46.039 --> 01:31:51.039
over it. Right, Ah,
you're under you're under arrest for the attempted

1367
01:31:51.159 --> 01:31:56.159
murder of John Jones. Right,
and he looks at Uh, he looks

1368
01:31:56.159 --> 01:31:58.199
at Turpin. He's like, you
set me up. So what do they

1369
01:31:58.239 --> 01:32:00.359
do, like just stake out all
of the other cops houses a certain the

1370
01:32:00.399 --> 01:32:02.399
off chance that the reporters in the
show up. Well, No, what

1371
01:32:02.439 --> 01:32:06.079
I'm saying is Turpin probably called him
like, hey, you're right, I

1372
01:32:06.079 --> 01:32:10.840
got to the bottom of it.
It was Simmons go to his house,

1373
01:32:10.880 --> 01:32:14.359
and then they're all in waiting there. That wasn't clear. No, it

1374
01:32:14.439 --> 01:32:16.920
was not there at all. No, maybe just like a tax message or

1375
01:32:16.960 --> 01:32:23.479
something like. They try to like
they probably thought it would be too obvious,

1376
01:32:24.800 --> 01:32:27.399
right, Well, honestly, what
they should have done they should have

1377
01:32:27.399 --> 01:32:30.399
taken out the scene where Turpin confesses
to Talbert like, hey, I found

1378
01:32:30.399 --> 01:32:31.800
out who he is, right,
you should have Instead of that, you

1379
01:32:31.880 --> 01:32:34.399
have Turpin called Clark like, hey
Clark, I thought about what you said.

1380
01:32:35.319 --> 01:32:41.560
Uh did a little digging. It's
Simmons, here's his address, meet

1381
01:32:41.600 --> 01:32:45.279
me there, we'll take him down
together. Clark shows up, finds the

1382
01:32:45.319 --> 01:32:46.760
gun, they all move in,
and then it's obvious and then he has

1383
01:32:46.800 --> 01:32:51.039
the conversation because he because because Talbert
even says to Turpin like you're the right

1384
01:32:51.079 --> 01:32:56.800
thing, you know, yeah,
it could have been that reveal. It's

1385
01:32:56.880 --> 01:32:59.880
it's not clear, like they made
him show up in a pseudo Superman suit,

1386
01:33:00.720 --> 01:33:03.520
exploring using his actually a vision to
look around. I don't think he

1387
01:33:03.600 --> 01:33:10.119
was expecting to meet Turpin there,
Yeah, because you because he would have.

1388
01:33:10.199 --> 01:33:15.760
He would have been the cop he
would anyway, even as even when

1389
01:33:15.760 --> 01:33:20.239
he goes to see him later at
the end, he's not wearing You're hey,

1390
01:33:20.239 --> 01:33:27.079
you're just like the red blue blur, just like my son. We'll

1391
01:33:27.079 --> 01:33:30.279
get we'll get to that later.
But oh man, but this is where

1392
01:33:30.279 --> 01:33:33.720
he, uh, Talbot tills Turban
like your hands have been too clean for

1393
01:33:33.760 --> 01:33:38.199
too long, anny boy. Because
so that's important because it establishes that Turbin

1394
01:33:38.319 --> 01:33:40.560
has not crossed the line like some
of these other guys have. So that's

1395
01:33:40.600 --> 01:33:43.640
important. But he says, you're
gonna be the man who killed the green

1396
01:33:43.800 --> 01:33:48.239
arrow Dot dot. Don't cut the
commercial, So go to commercial. We

1397
01:33:48.319 --> 01:33:53.800
come back and they have taken that
the junkie they arrested earlier, check offs

1398
01:33:53.840 --> 01:33:57.119
junkie. They set him up,
they're paying him off here. They'll pull

1399
01:33:57.199 --> 01:34:00.319
him out on the street. They're
gonna like brutalize him to get the attention

1400
01:34:00.359 --> 01:34:04.840
of the Green Arrow so they can
draw him in and kill him. They're

1401
01:34:04.920 --> 01:34:11.159
using him his bait. It's a
good thing. The Green Arrow was in

1402
01:34:11.199 --> 01:34:14.039
the neighborhood and he calls him the
arrow. He's like, how do you

1403
01:34:14.079 --> 01:34:15.319
know the Arrow is gonna show him? Like, oh, they called him

1404
01:34:15.319 --> 01:34:20.920
the arrow like the first instance of
its mumble always did it first. So

1405
01:34:21.680 --> 01:34:25.399
the guy's like hell, but he's
like it starts beating him up, and

1406
01:34:25.479 --> 01:34:29.640
somebody helped me. And then he
pulls, you know, one of the

1407
01:34:29.720 --> 01:34:32.520
dudes pulls a gun out all on
him, shoots it, and then they're

1408
01:34:32.520 --> 01:34:36.000
waiting for for Oliver, who,
as you said, they're lucky that he

1409
01:34:36.039 --> 01:34:40.520
was kind of in the area,
you know, because Patropolis is a big

1410
01:34:40.560 --> 01:34:43.800
city enough to hear the gunshot.
I think the gunshot was what's supposed to

1411
01:34:44.359 --> 01:34:46.039
draw him in. Right. Well, you know, you say, people

1412
01:34:46.079 --> 01:34:48.239
don't need a savior, but every
day I hear people crying for one,

1413
01:34:48.479 --> 01:34:54.960
okay, And so of all the
crimes the Green Arrow heard that night,

1414
01:34:55.000 --> 01:34:58.279
he chose to stop this one.
And it's funny how like he stops it

1415
01:34:58.319 --> 01:35:00.159
and the guy runs off and he's
like, you're wool, Well, we

1416
01:35:00.279 --> 01:35:03.199
know we know why he was really
there because he was actually exploring. He

1417
01:35:03.239 --> 01:35:08.079
was actually looking into those officers.
Oh you think you think he was just

1418
01:35:08.119 --> 01:35:10.720
following them, tagging them. Oh
yeah, he told Clark he was gonna

1419
01:35:10.720 --> 01:35:12.960
go do something about it so they
couldn't kill somebody else. I'm sure he

1420
01:35:13.079 --> 01:35:15.319
was. So they were both trying
to you know, he was after them.

1421
01:35:15.359 --> 01:35:18.680
They were after him fair enough,
fair enough. I think that's why

1422
01:35:19.199 --> 01:35:23.199
in reality it makes sense that he
was there. But when you think about

1423
01:35:23.199 --> 01:35:27.199
their plan to draw him in,
their playing sucks. If he wasn't looking

1424
01:35:27.239 --> 01:35:30.800
into them, Well they're playing,
they're playing really sucks. They're gonna have

1425
01:35:30.880 --> 01:35:35.079
Danny Hyde in the in the stairwell
and shoot the green air when he shows

1426
01:35:35.159 --> 01:35:39.239
up. But mean while, you
got a guy on the roof with who's

1427
01:35:39.279 --> 01:35:42.159
not going to pull the trigger until
it's very clear at the end that nothing's

1428
01:35:42.159 --> 01:35:44.600
going to happen. Well, I
think it's the redundancy, like he wanted

1429
01:35:45.039 --> 01:35:46.960
Turpin to like cross the line,
because that's the thing, right, It's

1430
01:35:47.000 --> 01:35:49.800
kind of like you knows Batman begins
right, Like Gordon doesn't take them,

1431
01:35:49.960 --> 01:35:53.720
he's not on the take, so
that he makes them uncomfortable, like Danny

1432
01:35:53.760 --> 01:35:56.239
hasn't got his hands there like the
rest of them, so that makes them

1433
01:35:56.239 --> 01:35:59.319
feel uncomfortable. Right, so they're
like, Okay, we gotta make this

1434
01:35:59.359 --> 01:36:01.359
guy a cross the line so then
he'll be in the same boat as we

1435
01:36:01.399 --> 01:36:06.319
are, right So, but then
the redundancy rights him with the sniper up

1436
01:36:06.319 --> 01:36:11.319
top. Right. But then,
hey, to Oliver's credit, even though

1437
01:36:11.359 --> 01:36:15.279
him and Clark were at OZZ,
he takes the harper Clark said and tries

1438
01:36:15.319 --> 01:36:16.319
to talk this guy down. He's
like, it's not too late for you.

1439
01:36:16.319 --> 01:36:19.239
You don't have to do this,
and you know this is a no

1440
01:36:19.399 --> 01:36:24.439
kill finale, if you will.
He talks Turping down and he's like,

1441
01:36:24.560 --> 01:36:26.199
I got a sounder home. He's
like, yeah, when you're ask your

1442
01:36:26.239 --> 01:36:28.000
boy what you did tonight, you
tell him he killed him man in cold

1443
01:36:28.000 --> 01:36:30.760
blood. I'm like, oh,
you got him green arrow. Yeah.

1444
01:36:30.760 --> 01:36:34.880
I like that. I like what
Oliver did there, and because sometimes that's

1445
01:36:34.880 --> 01:36:39.439
what you need. You need that
perspective, right Yeah, And it came

1446
01:36:39.479 --> 01:36:42.800
from a guy that he didn't trust
and didn't expect to be a good guy

1447
01:36:42.840 --> 01:36:45.359
that would that would do that for
him. He probably thought, this guy's

1448
01:36:45.359 --> 01:36:47.880
gonna I need to shoot him,
Quaker, he's gonna take me down.

1449
01:36:50.079 --> 01:36:54.439
He's like, pull the trigger and
prove Clark row right, because he named

1450
01:36:54.479 --> 01:36:57.520
drops Clark and be a real hero
man. He's like, man, if

1451
01:36:57.520 --> 01:37:00.560
this is what you need to do
to find yourself, just just do it

1452
01:37:00.760 --> 01:37:02.880
right. And he can't do it
to their credit, right, I mean

1453
01:37:02.880 --> 01:37:05.960
obviously it's Dan Turpin's compact character.
I would hope they wouldn't make him up.

1454
01:37:06.720 --> 01:37:09.680
Like what they could have done was
him shoot him and like he had

1455
01:37:09.800 --> 01:37:12.119
he had his vest on right,
his dear point. This whole episode,

1456
01:37:12.119 --> 01:37:14.600
they've been talking about bullproof vest.
Right, are you telling me the Green

1457
01:37:14.680 --> 01:37:17.720
Arrow to have bullproof vest? Well, you would assume the suit is bulletproof,

1458
01:37:17.800 --> 01:37:21.119
right, Yeah, but no,
we've seen him get shot through it,

1459
01:37:21.159 --> 01:37:29.000
haven't we. I think you're right. Oh my goodness. Anyway,

1460
01:37:30.399 --> 01:37:34.000
but then you know Turpin a size
not to shoot Green Arrow. But then

1461
01:37:34.000 --> 01:37:40.159
we see the red sniper dot on
Turpin and and uh, Talvert's gonna shoot

1462
01:37:40.199 --> 01:37:43.800
him. So Oliver has to tackle
him into to the ground. And then

1463
01:37:43.960 --> 01:37:45.920
and then Talbert calls in. He's
like, dispatch the Green Arrow assaulting officers.

1464
01:37:45.920 --> 01:37:49.079
So he's gonna call everybody and to
hopefully kill kill the Green Arrow.

1465
01:37:49.880 --> 01:37:54.119
But because he calls us in.
It goes over the APB and Clark hears

1466
01:37:54.159 --> 01:37:56.880
this when he's in like the back
of the last car, so he just

1467
01:37:57.960 --> 01:38:00.600
speeds off. I like that.
I like a little bit of dialogue you

1468
01:38:00.640 --> 01:38:03.920
hear from the police officers that have
him to show that there's still it's still

1469
01:38:03.960 --> 01:38:06.640
people that are also in on it
took him. I mean, well they

1470
01:38:06.640 --> 01:38:10.800
were, they were on the scene. But oh I knew Danny couldn't do

1471
01:38:10.840 --> 01:38:13.359
it. Well, No, that
that's that's good to see. Also that

1472
01:38:13.479 --> 01:38:16.279
establishes for Clark that like whatever like
they wanted Turpin to do, he didn't

1473
01:38:16.279 --> 01:38:19.039
do right. So when Clark shows
up on the scene not knowing what's going

1474
01:38:19.079 --> 01:38:21.840
on, he has that information.
So I think that's that's an important piece

1475
01:38:23.520 --> 01:38:26.880
uh there as well. But it
turns out there like like Talbert actually just

1476
01:38:26.880 --> 01:38:29.760
shoots he actually when shoots like Turbin, like in the leg or something or

1477
01:38:30.239 --> 01:38:31.720
no, in the arms, shoulder
arm Okay, yeah, he's wearing the

1478
01:38:31.800 --> 01:38:36.079
guy's arm in a sing. Later
and when he's stupidly just runs out into

1479
01:38:36.119 --> 01:38:39.760
the open, he gets hit.
He gets hit in the shoulder and falls.

1480
01:38:40.159 --> 01:38:42.279
But I like this where like we
see through the scope. Right,

1481
01:38:42.319 --> 01:38:44.600
we see like, you know,
the sniper in the scope, and then

1482
01:38:44.640 --> 01:38:46.800
we just see the blue you know, and it's Clark in the way.

1483
01:38:46.840 --> 01:38:53.279
I'm like that. It's such a
Superman moment right there. Right, Yeah,

1484
01:38:53.520 --> 01:38:56.640
talk about red blue blur that everyone's
talking about. You show up in

1485
01:38:56.640 --> 01:39:00.720
red and blue and you show the
guy that you could take a bullet because

1486
01:39:00.720 --> 01:39:03.560
you're wearing your vest. You said, always wear a vest, right,

1487
01:39:03.600 --> 01:39:08.760
because he shoots some like point blank
range, and that's not exactly how little

1488
01:39:08.760 --> 01:39:12.800
proves work. Like you still feel
some impact, like he would you get

1489
01:39:12.880 --> 01:39:15.800
knocked down, especially being in point
blank that you're so I didn't even think

1490
01:39:15.800 --> 01:39:18.560
about Deckers. You're so right about
it. He should have just kept in

1491
01:39:18.600 --> 01:39:27.680
the cop outfit the whole time because
they're aware of the red blue blur.

1492
01:39:27.760 --> 01:39:30.279
When you see this guy show up
like it's it's episodes like this that makes

1493
01:39:30.319 --> 01:39:33.560
it so much more obvious because he
hasn't worn it the entire episode. He's

1494
01:39:33.560 --> 01:39:36.039
been undercover and he's working. Even
when he's at home, he's wearing the

1495
01:39:36.079 --> 01:39:41.079
gray shirt, white sleeves, and
then later on he's wearing a suit just

1496
01:39:41.119 --> 01:39:45.560
like he was wearing a suit with
Lana. He puts on the blue shirt,

1497
01:39:45.680 --> 01:39:51.439
red jacket just for these moments.
Yeah, which would make sense if

1498
01:39:51.439 --> 01:39:54.680
he's out, you know, saving
people and doing his thing. But this

1499
01:39:54.800 --> 01:39:59.359
is specifically to explore these cops that
he is hiding from. Yeah, Like,

1500
01:39:59.399 --> 01:40:02.600
if this sort never so to Lowis
and Clark, Clark Kent would be

1501
01:40:02.640 --> 01:40:06.800
the undercover cop and then Superman would
show up and do these things right,

1502
01:40:08.239 --> 01:40:13.560
right, But there's just Clark Kent
here with no disguise. I mean we've

1503
01:40:13.600 --> 01:40:15.600
even seen it Lois and Clark.
You've seen him dress up and not Superman

1504
01:40:15.680 --> 01:40:19.359
too, like he's worn like a
ski mask or uh oh yeah, that's

1505
01:40:19.439 --> 01:40:25.279
good point. Yeah when what when
he had to break into like a jewelry

1506
01:40:25.279 --> 01:40:30.039
store or something that's funny, but
they had that you know, presence of

1507
01:40:30.039 --> 01:40:31.720
mine, he'd be like, people
are going to see who I am?

1508
01:40:31.760 --> 01:40:38.119
So anyway, um, we get
one last it's a you know, it's

1509
01:40:38.159 --> 01:40:43.039
heart's in the right place, but
it just like struck me. When Turfing

1510
01:40:43.159 --> 01:40:45.119
like has the other cop you know, arrested and all the cops show up,

1511
01:40:45.119 --> 01:40:49.079
He's like, whoa hold your fire? Good guys, all right,

1512
01:40:50.720 --> 01:40:55.399
we understand what you're saying, Smallville, But Clark sees this fro far away

1513
01:40:55.439 --> 01:40:57.199
and he has a smile. He's
like, okay, turp into the right

1514
01:40:57.239 --> 01:41:00.680
thing, and and there we go. Right, So then we cut to

1515
01:41:00.720 --> 01:41:05.359
commercial and we come back and Metropolis
General Hospital again and Phil Morris gets something

1516
01:41:05.359 --> 01:41:09.960
to do again. The episode's back. This is a good final scene.

1517
01:41:10.079 --> 01:41:13.720
It kind of a it's Marsha,
Man, Hunter, Oliver, and Clark

1518
01:41:13.760 --> 01:41:19.439
all talking and this is kind of
you mentioned earlier, kind of subtly reinforces

1519
01:41:19.439 --> 01:41:23.760
like maybe we should be more of
a team because we've kind of lost our

1520
01:41:23.800 --> 01:41:26.399
way. We need it. We're
stronger together, right, Yeah, And

1521
01:41:26.560 --> 01:41:30.680
this would have been a good final
scene. Unfortunately it's not the final scene.

1522
01:41:30.920 --> 01:41:34.239
But now the conversation between them talking
about the contrast of what they said

1523
01:41:34.239 --> 01:41:36.760
before, like well, we do
better on our own, let's go do

1524
01:41:36.800 --> 01:41:40.079
it. Clearly that didn't work.
If they'd work together, and maybe it

1525
01:41:40.119 --> 01:41:45.079
would have been resolved a little sooner, or maybe if they'd work together instead

1526
01:41:45.079 --> 01:41:47.039
of like John Jones working on his
own not bringing Clark in early enough.

1527
01:41:47.600 --> 01:41:49.720
Well, I like who he says
that he Clarks, why didn't you tell

1528
01:41:49.800 --> 01:41:53.079
us about this? And he's like
the same reason, why, I you

1529
01:41:53.119 --> 01:41:56.319
know, you let your guard down
last night, or or why you know

1530
01:41:56.439 --> 01:41:59.600
I had to wait till last minute
to save you Pride, And I'm like,

1531
01:41:59.640 --> 01:42:01.479
that's a good that's a good answer
because you always ask like, why

1532
01:42:01.479 --> 01:42:06.520
don't these heroes help each other out
all the time? And that's a good

1533
01:42:06.560 --> 01:42:12.239
answer. I buy it. He
sells it so and he says too,

1534
01:42:12.359 --> 01:42:15.000
he's so used to he's had the
power, he's had all these powers before.

1535
01:42:15.079 --> 01:42:19.680
He thought he was kind of untouchable, thought his bulletproof. But it's

1536
01:42:19.720 --> 01:42:27.640
hard to hard to not accept that
to live a normal life after you haven't

1537
01:42:27.680 --> 01:42:30.640
before. That sounds like such a
great concept for TV show, Chris,

1538
01:42:33.720 --> 01:42:38.479
did you okay? In season eight? Right, he has lost his powers.

1539
01:42:40.520 --> 01:42:43.039
We have no indication that he's gonna
get him back, did you?

1540
01:42:43.279 --> 01:42:45.680
I mean, did you assume the
Marha manhover when they get his powers back

1541
01:42:45.680 --> 01:42:49.600
on Small Miller trying to place myself
where I was back then thinking about it.

1542
01:42:49.920 --> 01:42:54.479
Because he was the main character.
I thought maybe it would come back

1543
01:42:54.560 --> 01:42:59.880
somehow, Yeah, or at least
a recurring character. Well yeah, recurring.

1544
01:43:00.119 --> 01:43:00.840
Well, I think that the problem
is, I mean, they running

1545
01:43:00.840 --> 01:43:02.680
the same problem on Supergirl, where
it's like, well, we have Marshian

1546
01:43:02.720 --> 01:43:06.560
Manhunter around and he's like one of
the most powerful, you know, beings

1547
01:43:06.640 --> 01:43:13.239
anywhere. That's I love that on
h I love that line from Supergirl where

1548
01:43:13.279 --> 01:43:15.479
it's like one of the most powerful
beings on this planet. You know who

1549
01:43:15.560 --> 01:43:19.000
said that Superman is talking about Martian
man Hunter and that really places because he

1550
01:43:19.159 --> 01:43:21.680
is, I mean, he's his
weakness is fire, which is like,

1551
01:43:21.760 --> 01:43:25.800
you know, I love what DC
new Frontier is, like, your weakness

1552
01:43:25.960 --> 01:43:30.039
costs a penny, so watch out, my Batman tells him. But he's

1553
01:43:30.159 --> 01:43:32.159
he's Superman, but he's even more
powerful because he can phase through things,

1554
01:43:32.239 --> 01:43:38.079
he can shape shift, he can
read minds. So I understand why they

1555
01:43:38.119 --> 01:43:41.760
wanted to remove him off get him
off the board for small Ville because he's

1556
01:43:41.800 --> 01:43:45.000
not even Superman yet. So I
think that this was a clever loophole to

1557
01:43:45.039 --> 01:43:48.479
do that. Supergirl never solved that
problem. I remembered David Harrd was on

1558
01:43:48.600 --> 01:43:51.119
Inside of You with micro wasn't mom. He's always talking about, yeah,

1559
01:43:51.159 --> 01:43:55.479
this has had me in some like
necklace or taking away that fires all the

1560
01:43:55.520 --> 01:43:58.680
time. It was so true because
like you can't have him outshine Supergirl,

1561
01:43:58.920 --> 01:44:00.199
right, that was Superman problem.
Super Bowl they can't have. And I

1562
01:44:00.279 --> 01:44:03.840
understand it because it's she's the title
character, and that painted him in a

1563
01:44:03.920 --> 01:44:05.960
corner a lot of time. So
anyway, I understand why they took his

1564
01:44:06.000 --> 01:44:09.079
powers away. I mean, at
this point, we thought some of them

1565
01:44:09.119 --> 01:44:10.760
might end this season, so I'm
like, Okay, well, I guess

1566
01:44:10.760 --> 01:44:12.920
one day we'll just assume he gets
his powers back. But I didn't know,

1567
01:44:13.239 --> 01:44:15.159
and I never I never thought we
would see a comic book accurate full

1568
01:44:15.159 --> 01:44:20.239
of Martian Castle either, even if
it was for like two seconds. Two

1569
01:44:20.239 --> 01:44:26.600
seconds, Yeah, get lem over
with that, Smallville. But you know

1570
01:44:26.600 --> 01:44:29.680
what all that to say, season
nine is a good season for Marsha Man

1571
01:44:29.760 --> 01:44:33.119
Hunter rights. You know, for
all all my like that cemented him as

1572
01:44:33.159 --> 01:44:36.159
being like in my memory of being
like man, he was an integral part

1573
01:44:36.159 --> 01:44:40.720
of this show because he does.
There's a lot of the absolute justice checkmate,

1574
01:44:41.199 --> 01:44:43.640
lots of awesome stuff for him in
season nine. But like, uh,

1575
01:44:44.159 --> 01:44:45.159
yeah, I think I don't or
off the check But this might be

1576
01:44:45.199 --> 01:44:49.319
the last time we see him before
season nine. Chris, I'll be anxious

1577
01:44:49.319 --> 01:44:54.159
to listen along and we'll find out
together. I could look it up right

1578
01:44:54.159 --> 01:44:57.079
now, but I'm gonna choose not
to so Um, but they tied him

1579
01:44:57.079 --> 01:45:00.000
so together the hair. Clark's talking
about how like you know that that brotherhood

1580
01:45:00.159 --> 01:45:01.479
they can make you feel like you
can do anything, you know from the

1581
01:45:01.560 --> 01:45:03.640
cops, and he's like, I
that's a good feeling, you know.

1582
01:45:03.680 --> 01:45:06.560
And this is them talking about like
maybe we should get back to that.

1583
01:45:08.520 --> 01:45:16.760
Let me cut to uh Luther Corp. Test giving her a goodbye notice to

1584
01:45:16.920 --> 01:45:19.439
Lex, this is the scene I've
been talking about for so long. It's

1585
01:45:19.439 --> 01:45:23.079
like, I'd love to use of
a bitch. See this would be a

1586
01:45:23.119 --> 01:45:26.199
good final scene. Also, well, do you like you prefer all these

1587
01:45:26.279 --> 01:45:29.560
before the other finals? Yeah?
Well, the the actual final scene needed

1588
01:45:29.600 --> 01:45:32.399
just to not exist, you know, like that would have been fine.

1589
01:45:32.960 --> 01:45:38.840
But Tests looking in a mirror Um
talking to Lex knowing that he's been watching

1590
01:45:38.880 --> 01:45:42.680
everything she says, and does that
you know, then he seems some interesting

1591
01:45:42.720 --> 01:45:47.000
things, hasn't he? As hinted
on by what happens when as soon as

1592
01:45:47.039 --> 01:45:49.960
she finishes giving the speech, because
that's where my mind first goes to,

1593
01:45:50.640 --> 01:45:54.399
when do you think about all the
things that Lex might have seen? I

1594
01:45:54.560 --> 01:45:57.239
like how they have this necklace right
that she has this kind of like it's

1595
01:45:57.479 --> 01:45:59.439
a switch to kind of interrupts the
signal, and I was like, oh

1596
01:45:59.479 --> 01:46:01.359
cool, she's got to wear this
necklace. And I know she does for

1597
01:46:01.399 --> 01:46:03.800
at least one more episode, but
then they probably drop it, much like

1598
01:46:03.960 --> 01:46:09.640
Lanta's Kryptonite necklace. Right, we
gotta pay attention for a throwaway line where

1599
01:46:09.720 --> 01:46:15.479
she had it removed or something.
Yeah, let's pay attention. But she

1600
01:46:15.760 --> 01:46:18.439
she you know, she says like, you're going to see your company fade

1601
01:46:18.439 --> 01:46:21.920
away and resources dry up and be
cut off from the world and goodbye Lex

1602
01:46:23.000 --> 01:46:26.920
and she hits the buttons like signal
jammed, right, And then it's after

1603
01:46:27.079 --> 01:46:29.199
that she says, I love you, you son of a bitch, And

1604
01:46:29.279 --> 01:46:31.239
I'm like, wouldn't she say that
to him? No, you don't want

1605
01:46:31.239 --> 01:46:35.680
to give him the satisfaction now when
she says that. When she says that,

1606
01:46:35.960 --> 01:46:40.000
Chris in two thousand and nine,
when you're watching this episode, what

1607
01:46:40.119 --> 01:46:44.880
were you thinking the same thing I
was thinking? In uh, Empire strikes

1608
01:46:44.920 --> 01:46:51.720
back that they're playing it for romantic
Like she's crying and it's like I loved

1609
01:46:51.760 --> 01:46:58.479
you and she idolized him. Right, they had a close relationship. I

1610
01:46:58.600 --> 01:47:00.960
wasn't as tied into the message board
it's early on watching the show. I

1611
01:47:00.960 --> 01:47:03.760
don't know if there was already speculation
that she might be related to him right

1612
01:47:03.760 --> 01:47:08.279
now because she was a miss test
Maker. Mercy Graves comment, right,

1613
01:47:08.319 --> 01:47:12.279
that's the tests Mercer Hello, Right, So, uh, Mercy Graves.

1614
01:47:12.520 --> 01:47:16.000
Very very interesting character who has been
underserved and a lot of versions of Superman

1615
01:47:16.079 --> 01:47:19.039
unfortunately, and I would love to
see whatever the new Lex Luther is.

1616
01:47:19.039 --> 01:47:23.119
I hope she he has a Mercy
Graves by his side and doesn't blow her

1617
01:47:23.199 --> 01:47:28.880
up immediately saws nearly. I was
like, oh cool, Takamoto from The

1618
01:47:28.920 --> 01:47:31.159
Wolverine is Racy Graves. I can't
wait to see her in this new Superman

1619
01:47:31.359 --> 01:47:36.359
franchise. Oh never mind, but
she's a very interesting character who I would

1620
01:47:36.439 --> 01:47:40.439
like to see like a proper version
of her as opposed to small vel,

1621
01:47:40.479 --> 01:47:43.640
which is like amalgamation. Um.
She has his loyalty to Lex. I

1622
01:47:43.680 --> 01:47:45.720
don't think it's necessarily romantic or anything, but they had that obviously Miss test

1623
01:47:45.760 --> 01:47:50.239
Mocker like devoted to Alex in the
Christal Reef films. That's who this character

1624
01:47:50.439 --> 01:47:54.800
was. So there was no like
contributor or trust to Latona Luther. No.

1625
01:47:55.079 --> 01:47:59.399
That's the season ten total invention well
and this one. Essentially she she

1626
01:47:59.600 --> 01:48:04.960
is murder scret is just with the
name tests because she's for all intentsive purposes,

1627
01:48:05.000 --> 01:48:11.199
she's the the She could be his
bodyguard, like like Mercy is like

1628
01:48:11.479 --> 01:48:15.079
well trained, handles all his dirty
business, knows all that's going on.

1629
01:48:16.000 --> 01:48:21.319
That's how I saw it. A
great timing. Oliver shows up right and

1630
01:48:21.720 --> 01:48:27.239
uh says Mercy. Yeah. She
she quickly collects herself because she's been growing,

1631
01:48:27.319 --> 01:48:30.199
like Cassie Freeman is so good,
Like she is so good in this

1632
01:48:30.439 --> 01:48:33.039
role on this show, Like I
say it every time, but it's like,

1633
01:48:33.199 --> 01:48:39.199
I like, this could have gone
so wrong. Job parallels to our

1634
01:48:39.520 --> 01:48:44.720
friends and Arrow talking about the actor
playing Prometheus about how he carries the show

1635
01:48:44.760 --> 01:48:47.399
because he's so good. He carries
a role that could have failed. Yeah,

1636
01:48:48.199 --> 01:48:51.560
this role here as a replacement for
Michael Rose, Momlex Luther. You've

1637
01:48:51.560 --> 01:48:56.000
talked about this on your podcast a
lot already. She knocks it out of

1638
01:48:56.000 --> 01:49:00.399
the park. So Oliver comes in. She's like, we're when her dinner,

1639
01:49:00.399 --> 01:49:01.039
we're going to discuss a merger.
And he's like, oh, a

1640
01:49:01.119 --> 01:49:03.479
merger, And then she turns around. She kind of has this wicked smile.

1641
01:49:03.600 --> 01:49:08.159
She's like any kind you want,
and I'm like, oh, is

1642
01:49:08.239 --> 01:49:12.479
this business or pleasure or both?
Maybe maybe you take the necklace off or

1643
01:49:12.560 --> 01:49:17.840
that don't keep me waiting. I'm
like, Yeah, they're gonna merge companies

1644
01:49:17.880 --> 01:49:21.600
and merge bodies before this night is
over, I believe, right, And

1645
01:49:21.840 --> 01:49:25.840
that works because of the history they
have, right, Like so I I

1646
01:49:26.239 --> 01:49:28.720
that's the thing I realized on the
shoe. I ship Oliver with everybody.

1647
01:49:29.359 --> 01:49:31.760
I think he's great with Lois.
I think he's great with Tess. Ironically,

1648
01:49:31.800 --> 01:49:34.800
you think he's like Chloe and him
is probably the least of those three

1649
01:49:35.760 --> 01:49:41.439
fairings. Right. This is where
we tend to disagree a lot is on

1650
01:49:41.600 --> 01:49:45.720
what we think should happen to Chloe. You and I. I was never

1651
01:49:45.000 --> 01:49:50.760
I was never a Clark Hlly whatever, Chloe and Clark shipper. Yeah.

1652
01:49:53.479 --> 01:49:58.279
I liked her with this version of
Jimmy and Persue. I don't know if

1653
01:49:58.319 --> 01:50:00.640
I see. I don't think she
fit well with all of her. It

1654
01:50:00.720 --> 01:50:02.800
didn't matter for me. Well,
no, that's what That's what I'm saying

1655
01:50:02.880 --> 01:50:06.800
of the ones I just listed off, like Oliver and Tess, Yes,

1656
01:50:06.960 --> 01:50:10.960
Oliver and Lewis, Yes, Oliver
and Chloe I mean, I like you

1657
01:50:11.039 --> 01:50:14.439
from Chloe's and like being a Chloe
family. Good she did just getting like

1658
01:50:15.640 --> 01:50:18.159
Chloe getting a happy ending. But
yes, with the equivalent of Batman in

1659
01:50:18.199 --> 01:50:21.760
this universe, which is like the
next best thing to Superman um because she

1660
01:50:21.960 --> 01:50:28.199
is like integral to everything in this
universe. Right, but I never did

1661
01:50:28.319 --> 01:50:30.560
come out of nowhere, you know. But and then but you see all

1662
01:50:30.600 --> 01:50:34.479
this, like I love that.
I just love the chemistry he has with

1663
01:50:34.720 --> 01:50:38.960
Erica Rantz and Cassidy Freeman and anyway, it just it works with either one

1664
01:50:38.960 --> 01:50:41.880
of them. Fast forward to season
ten. Who's all around? Still?

1665
01:50:42.319 --> 01:50:45.279
You have Lois, you have Tests, you have ye Canary, all them

1666
01:50:45.840 --> 01:50:49.880
Oliver, we we just we got
almost no interactions between them, right,

1667
01:50:50.159 --> 01:50:54.159
maybe we good had something that well
obviously justin Harleian his chemistry with everybody,

1668
01:50:54.199 --> 01:50:57.640
So I'm sure if they had pursued
the Black Canary, course, well they

1669
01:50:57.680 --> 01:51:06.079
had less than plutonic messaging those emails
ver just pot But anyway, my point

1670
01:51:06.199 --> 01:51:11.520
is, like I love like the
I love the double entendree. We're gonna

1671
01:51:11.520 --> 01:51:14.000
have a merger any kind you want. And they go off on their night

1672
01:51:14.159 --> 01:51:16.359
and good for y'all. And then
we pan down to test his desk and

1673
01:51:16.560 --> 01:51:20.279
his Lex Luthor declared dead. We
get the picture, rosa mom will take

1674
01:51:20.279 --> 01:51:26.680
a screenshot of that tragic finale to
a turbulent life. That's that's for sure,

1675
01:51:29.159 --> 01:51:31.560
and that's where the episode ends.
That's supposed to be damaging for him.

1676
01:51:31.640 --> 01:51:34.680
But being declared dead wouldn't that kind
of give him a little bit of

1677
01:51:34.720 --> 01:51:40.760
freedom? I don't know. Maybe
she can use that to claim all of

1678
01:51:40.840 --> 01:51:43.439
his money and assets. Well,
I don't know. And this is what

1679
01:51:43.479 --> 01:51:45.439
I wanted to ask you, So, like you're a Lewis and Clark fan,

1680
01:51:45.920 --> 01:51:49.800
Yes, how do you think Wilson
Clark did with the death and return

1681
01:51:49.840 --> 01:51:58.359
of le Xuther versus Smallville? Which
time? Okay? Well, I think

1682
01:51:58.399 --> 01:52:00.760
Lewis and Clark did it better because
John Shay came back as Lex for a

1683
01:52:00.800 --> 01:52:05.159
handful of episodes and they carried on
that story. It wasn't like a last

1684
01:52:05.239 --> 01:52:09.880
minute I'm here for a day.
Let's tack this on right, right.

1685
01:52:09.960 --> 01:52:15.520
And I believe that I believe that
that Lex would be enticed to give up

1686
01:52:15.600 --> 01:52:18.079
everything to have the woman he couldn't
have Like this, Lex, I don't

1687
01:52:18.479 --> 01:52:26.800
I don't see him necessarily foregoing a
life of luxury and power and all that

1688
01:52:27.119 --> 01:52:32.239
just just to have well Lois Lane
like and Lewis and Clark so that in

1689
01:52:32.319 --> 01:52:35.520
this reality. So yeah, so
that that wouldn't fit a lot better for

1690
01:52:35.600 --> 01:52:38.720
me. I think they him in
the lat better. But also maybe they

1691
01:52:38.880 --> 01:52:42.000
didn't have to worry about how are
we going to get the actor backer?

1692
01:52:42.119 --> 01:52:44.680
Now? Yes, I mean they
had an understanding clearly like hey, I'll

1693
01:52:44.720 --> 01:52:46.800
come back once or twice a season, and that was fantastic and uh the

1694
01:52:46.840 --> 01:52:49.520
only thing. I mean, I
love the Lewis and Clark like. So

1695
01:52:49.720 --> 01:52:55.199
he's my second favorite after John She's
my second favorite after Michael Rosamom. I

1696
01:52:55.319 --> 01:52:58.600
just his plans devolved into like well, I just want to marry Lewis.

1697
01:52:59.479 --> 01:53:02.159
Like it's that's that's it, Like, you know, to your point,

1698
01:53:02.159 --> 01:53:05.079
I'm gonna give up all this stuff
just to you know, I guess that's

1699
01:53:05.079 --> 01:53:06.720
all he had left at the end. But it's like, come on,

1700
01:53:06.840 --> 01:53:10.760
man, I was hoping for like
higher aspirations, Like well, I get

1701
01:53:10.800 --> 01:53:12.199
it. I mean, who wouldn't
want to, you know, be with

1702
01:53:12.239 --> 01:53:14.600
Wes Lane. But it's like,
look, man, like your Superman's arch

1703
01:53:14.680 --> 01:53:17.199
nemesis. But still like when he
came back like he found out Clark's identity,

1704
01:53:17.359 --> 01:53:19.920
right, he went after the Kins, right, did all kinds of

1705
01:53:19.960 --> 01:53:24.159
stuff. I've been on Lois and
Clark's the new podcast of Superman with our

1706
01:53:24.159 --> 01:53:26.680
friend Matt Trucks, and we talked
about that, and so I really enjoyed

1707
01:53:26.800 --> 01:53:30.439
whenever he came back on the show. And Yeah, ultimately, just having

1708
01:53:30.479 --> 01:53:34.079
the actor willing and able to come
back allows you to do so much more

1709
01:53:34.119 --> 01:53:36.800
in these because it's like, oh, look, he's his body's in that

1710
01:53:36.880 --> 01:53:40.600
frozen case over there, right,
or he's in jail right now. Like

1711
01:53:41.159 --> 01:53:45.159
that allows you to kind of keep
Luther. Network news is around Luther Corby,

1712
01:53:45.239 --> 01:53:46.960
his ex wives and sons coming out
of woolwork right. Even though he

1713
01:53:47.039 --> 01:53:49.399
wasn't around, his presence repels on
the show, and it never felt like

1714
01:53:49.439 --> 01:53:54.000
a cheat because he would come back
and right out and then right this in

1715
01:53:54.159 --> 01:53:59.319
retrospect, this is all of cheat
because he was never coming back and they

1716
01:53:59.359 --> 01:54:02.199
just they went full speed ahead acting
like he was. I think I almost

1717
01:54:02.239 --> 01:54:05.479
think it would have been better.
Everything would have been paid off by and

1718
01:54:05.640 --> 01:54:10.439
having a bald head with wires hooked
up to it talking picture of me if

1719
01:54:10.520 --> 01:54:15.199
they didn't have the death that they
end up having for him spoiler alert,

1720
01:54:15.479 --> 01:54:17.479
Yeah, that'll be that'll be interesting
discussion. But but I see that's what

1721
01:54:17.560 --> 01:54:19.359
I'm saying. I'm thinking that,
that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm

1722
01:54:19.359 --> 01:54:23.399
saying earlier about like they're flushing out
this test backstory to kind of fill in

1723
01:54:23.399 --> 01:54:26.079
some stuff because they're never gonna get
that explanation they want because I feel like,

1724
01:54:26.439 --> 01:54:30.439
you know, Requim just a couple
episodes away, and Rosamond was the

1725
01:54:30.600 --> 01:54:32.920
idea was he was going to be
the voice at least in that and then

1726
01:54:34.039 --> 01:54:36.319
that fell through too, So I
think at that point they were like,

1727
01:54:36.520 --> 01:54:39.960
you know what, he's never coming
back. We just gotta wrap this up.

1728
01:54:39.960 --> 01:54:43.039
Like they probably figured, like it's
it's untenable, Like we can't just

1729
01:54:43.119 --> 01:54:46.600
having these headless Superman cameos forever in
our movies, TV shows, you know

1730
01:54:46.640 --> 01:54:48.800
what I mean. Like it's the
same thing. Like they were like they

1731
01:54:49.000 --> 01:54:53.840
decided they had to do something definitive
and move on from it. And I've

1732
01:54:53.880 --> 01:54:56.840
said this before on record, and
we'll see how it holds up. But

1733
01:54:56.880 --> 01:55:01.520
of like season nine, maybe my
favorit season is so good and ironically that's

1734
01:55:01.560 --> 01:55:10.800
the one, one hundred percent Luther
free season also free of another person that

1735
01:55:11.000 --> 01:55:15.680
we're gonna talk about more in this
episode. Uh yeah, unfortunately we've one

1736
01:55:15.720 --> 01:55:24.359
more scene. Um and let me
I've I've been I've been kind of trashing

1737
01:55:24.399 --> 01:55:28.760
this a little bit today. I
was all about Clark and Lana up until

1738
01:55:29.199 --> 01:55:31.680
probably season seven, like the seasons, having having it wrap up there,

1739
01:55:31.760 --> 01:55:38.399
having them actually get to be their
relationship and know the secret and interact some

1740
01:55:38.600 --> 01:55:42.119
great scenes there. I liked that. I just don't like that it came

1741
01:55:42.159 --> 01:55:44.600
back romantically. I would have been
fine with I said it earlier. I

1742
01:55:44.640 --> 01:55:47.720
would have been fine with her coming
back if it was as a friend,

1743
01:55:47.800 --> 01:55:54.079
as someone who knows you can trust, just not the romantic derailment of Lewis

1744
01:55:54.119 --> 01:55:57.119
and Clark. You know, Chris, you were talking so hard about how

1745
01:55:57.159 --> 01:55:59.000
this could have been the last scene, or this could in the last scene,

1746
01:55:59.039 --> 01:56:00.399
or this could be the last scene. We almost skipped a scene.

1747
01:56:00.640 --> 01:56:05.479
The wrap up with Dan Turpin his
family actually all right, the whole point

1748
01:56:05.520 --> 01:56:10.800
of this episode, right, So
Clark, he's back at Dan Turpin's place.

1749
01:56:11.720 --> 01:56:14.039
His son is running around dressed up
and Clark's like, well, you're

1750
01:56:14.039 --> 01:56:17.079
the Green Arrow. He's like,
no, I'm Robin hood. I thought

1751
01:56:17.079 --> 01:56:19.199
it was a joke, but it
was actually serious. Yeah, he's like

1752
01:56:19.279 --> 01:56:23.000
he's a bad People think he's a
bad guy, but he isn't. Right

1753
01:56:23.640 --> 01:56:28.000
ties together with what's going on there? Um, they're doing an inquest,

1754
01:56:28.359 --> 01:56:31.560
right, Dan Turmin is going to
be cleared. Um, but he you

1755
01:56:31.640 --> 01:56:34.800
know, he asked him. But
see, and this leads to the law

1756
01:56:34.840 --> 01:56:38.000
of scene right, this scene right, because he asked him about like your

1757
01:56:38.560 --> 01:56:40.920
home life balance, right, and
that's kind of the thing you were getting

1758
01:56:40.920 --> 01:56:44.399
at, right, Yeah, how
do you do what you do knowing that

1759
01:56:44.680 --> 01:56:47.000
you're putting your wife and kids through
this like that they might never have you

1760
01:56:47.039 --> 01:56:51.640
come home to them. Do you
have someone like that Clark, someone who

1761
01:56:51.640 --> 01:56:56.560
makes it all worth it? Yeah, she's in Star City right now looking

1762
01:56:56.680 --> 01:56:59.760
up for her brother in law,
her cousin in law. Right, Nope,

1763
01:57:00.399 --> 01:57:03.079
not her, somebody else. Um. But this is much like much

1764
01:57:03.159 --> 01:57:06.359
like Maxima earlier in the season,
like, oh, this is a character

1765
01:57:06.439 --> 01:57:10.319
that you bring back the Dan Turpin, Like, these are combat characters you're

1766
01:57:10.359 --> 01:57:14.760
introducing, great, bring it back
later. I mean Maximo if he doesn't

1767
01:57:14.760 --> 01:57:16.520
come back, okay whatever, right, but he kind of the door was

1768
01:57:16.560 --> 01:57:19.560
open there, you kid, do
something else. Dan Turpin absolutely shud come

1769
01:57:19.600 --> 01:57:23.760
back. Like how many crime scenes
were they at? Right? Oh,

1770
01:57:23.800 --> 01:57:26.800
I have a I have a contact
in the police department, my buddy Dan

1771
01:57:26.880 --> 01:57:29.359
Turpin, Like, how many times
could that have been mentioned? I don't

1772
01:57:29.359 --> 01:57:30.439
think this guy's mentioned at all the
rist of the show. Chris and I'll

1773
01:57:30.479 --> 01:57:33.239
have to keep our ears open,
but I don't think he is. I

1774
01:57:33.279 --> 01:57:38.479
don't think so either. What a
waste this that can blow me away?

1775
01:57:38.680 --> 01:57:40.560
Like I wasn't like, oh God, we gotta see more of this guy

1776
01:57:40.640 --> 01:57:43.920
or whatever. Like the story was
cool. I understand the point of it.

1777
01:57:44.520 --> 01:57:46.760
The actor was fine, Like,
but there's nothing like begging to revisit

1778
01:57:46.840 --> 01:57:49.319
this guy. But knowing that he's
a character in the comic books in the

1779
01:57:49.399 --> 01:57:51.600
future, I was like, well, absolutely, you would bring it back.

1780
01:57:51.600 --> 01:57:56.199
And it's just so odd that he
was never even mentioned. Same with

1781
01:57:56.439 --> 01:58:00.079
Maggie Sawyer, Like if next time
John Jones shows up, right, have

1782
01:58:00.239 --> 01:58:05.439
Dan turpret with him their partners now, right, Yeah, it falls in

1783
01:58:05.520 --> 01:58:11.279
line perfectly the way this episode set
up. And definitely get Maggie story back

1784
01:58:11.319 --> 01:58:13.119
to your point too, like get
all these people back. I don't I

1785
01:58:13.119 --> 01:58:17.359
don't understand it, but but see. So this is why through this conversation

1786
01:58:17.439 --> 01:58:19.800
with Dan Turf and Clark decides that, you know what, maybe he can't

1787
01:58:19.840 --> 01:58:26.439
have it all after all. Yeah, just like when he was fourteen.

1788
01:58:26.760 --> 01:58:29.880
Yeah, he goes to the Tallenge, she's working the coffee machine there.

1789
01:58:29.960 --> 01:58:33.279
He's like, oh, it's slack
for fourteen again. I'd do like your

1790
01:58:33.359 --> 01:58:36.960
line where he's like, oh,
I couldn't sleep, so you thought you'd

1791
01:58:38.000 --> 01:58:41.520
get some coffee. That's funny.
Yeah, a lot of a lot of

1792
01:58:41.520 --> 01:58:45.840
a lot of dialogue. This episode
is very witty with with tests with Clark

1793
01:58:45.399 --> 01:58:48.359
because Chloe's on all the way.
They've just they've switched, They've they've crossed

1794
01:58:48.399 --> 01:58:56.920
Chloe out, and they've broke culture
references. That's the key. How is

1795
01:58:56.960 --> 01:58:59.560
a lot of have better dialogue than
Chloe this episode? Chris, I'm like

1796
01:58:59.800 --> 01:59:00.520
that, you know that's what it
was. Chloe was just in the one

1797
01:59:00.600 --> 01:59:11.039
scene. Yeah, oh but this
is this is you know the remember the

1798
01:59:11.119 --> 01:59:18.039
season ten trailer for Smallville. We're
like with the song from I called the

1799
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song from Mulant Rouge. But you
know there was a boy right all that

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this dialogue is in there, right, She's like, Clark, the world

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01:59:26.119 --> 01:59:32.000
needs you he's like, what about
what we need? Right, And that's

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01:59:32.359 --> 01:59:34.760
this scene where they're just like,
you know what, forget all that,

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01:59:36.039 --> 01:59:39.640
let's get back together and they kiss
and it's like, what am I in

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01:59:39.680 --> 01:59:44.119
season two now Smallville? I like
that? Why did you do this show?

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01:59:45.159 --> 01:59:48.840
That's what I like a lot about
a lot about Lois Lane is she

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01:59:49.920 --> 01:59:57.119
needs Clark, like she needs him, but she also does it need him

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01:59:57.239 --> 02:00:01.039
as much in a way not making
sense here, but she needs him in

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02:00:01.079 --> 02:00:04.159
a way that they that they make
each other better and like she can go

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02:00:04.239 --> 02:00:08.640
off and do her own thing and
not be dependent on him, but also

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02:00:08.840 --> 02:00:14.359
she internally is dependent on they have
that relationship. Lana has always been I

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02:00:14.560 --> 02:00:18.239
need everything for me, like like
secrets, and you can't keep secrets to

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02:00:18.319 --> 02:00:21.239
me. I deserve to know as
much as you, be involved in as

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02:00:21.319 --> 02:00:27.560
much as you But then to that
point, she doesn't support when they're together.

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She's not supportive of Clark. She's
kind of toxic and reality for it.

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02:00:33.239 --> 02:00:39.600
And then here he's trying to give
up his sacrifice for the greater goods

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02:00:39.640 --> 02:00:42.800
so he can have a little bit
with Lana, but she knows it's never

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going to be what she needs out
of it, and let's not forget her

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objective here is to get a superpowered
suit so they can be equals. That

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02:00:50.840 --> 02:00:55.279
this is, this is this next
episode of Power goes way into that territory

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about like what her motivations are,
but her thinking the me equals like,

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oh, we're both super heroes,
and like, no, you can be

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equals and not be that. I
mean, Lois and Clark are equals,

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02:01:05.119 --> 02:01:10.479
but they're different, right, and
that's fine, that's good actually that they're

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not exactly the same, and that
a lot of us understands that she thinks

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02:01:14.039 --> 02:01:15.560
that all the reason all this stuff
didn't working for is that we weren't we

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02:01:15.880 --> 02:01:19.000
both didn't have superpowers. Like,
no, that's not the reason, and

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02:01:19.119 --> 02:01:21.800
that's what I was hoping for,
And that's what so disappointing about season eight

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02:01:21.880 --> 02:01:28.000
bringing her back. Let's have a
mature conversation and understanding of why we didn't

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02:01:28.000 --> 02:01:30.560
work and we were young love,
but we're not those people anymore unless we

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02:01:30.560 --> 02:01:32.439
move on with our lives and you
know, we can still be supportive of

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02:01:32.520 --> 02:01:36.000
each other. But whatever. That's
that should be the lesson of a show

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02:01:36.039 --> 02:01:40.840
about coming of age and growing up, right, But they totally mofft on

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02:01:40.920 --> 02:01:43.119
that, and then of course we
get what we get where she becomes scriptinite

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02:01:43.159 --> 02:01:44.760
at the end, and that's the
only reason they're not together, and we'll

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02:01:44.800 --> 02:01:48.119
get there. But it's like they
missounded her on every parcel away in these

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02:01:48.239 --> 02:01:53.520
these last two or three episodes she
was in, unfortunately, and all it

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02:01:53.600 --> 02:02:00.560
does is add detriment to Clark's character
for the pushing up of her. She

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02:02:00.720 --> 02:02:04.439
becomes a superhero from this, as
we see in season eleven comics, she's,

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02:02:04.680 --> 02:02:08.560
uh, well, I don't even
remember she has She's in like Africa,

1840
02:02:08.640 --> 02:02:13.680
and she has a name, like
a superhero esque name. No,

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02:02:13.760 --> 02:02:17.840
I don't think it's that. I
think it's like the I thought she's like

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02:02:18.039 --> 02:02:23.319
like the Angel of the Knight or
something like that. I think that.

1843
02:02:23.840 --> 02:02:27.800
I mean the title of that comic
book miniseries was Valkyrie, so that's why

1844
02:02:27.880 --> 02:02:34.960
I think that's what her name is. But anyways, but everything is to

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02:02:35.039 --> 02:02:40.079
make Lana better and more powerful and
stronger, but it essentially takes away from

1846
02:02:40.079 --> 02:02:44.960
Clark's character because he the only reason
he's not with her is krypton Ite,

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02:02:45.039 --> 02:02:49.279
not Lois, which they've they've they've
already gotten to that point in this season

1848
02:02:49.760 --> 02:02:57.840
a couple episodes ago. But you
know, I never thought then we'll be

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02:02:57.920 --> 02:03:01.000
back here in the town and have
Clark and Lanna kids saying like halfway through

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02:03:01.119 --> 02:03:10.000
the season name of smavel right,
never say never. A lot of even

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02:03:10.079 --> 02:03:13.760
says you see that, like it's
a good thing that they're fourteen. I'm

1852
02:03:13.760 --> 02:03:15.079
like, yeah, I agree with
that sentiment, right, and he right,

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02:03:15.119 --> 02:03:17.720
Clark does say here He's like,
all I've done the last year sacrifice

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02:03:17.800 --> 02:03:21.520
myself and everything. I love him, Like the last year, maybe like

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02:03:21.640 --> 02:03:26.600
six months. I think are rounding
up Clark to make your point, But

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02:03:27.239 --> 02:03:30.800
I don't know. He has shown
so much maturity. But he's also not

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02:03:30.920 --> 02:03:35.479
really sacrificing everything. He's got a
job, he's dedicated to the job,

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02:03:35.560 --> 02:03:41.159
and we know from side commentary and
stuff he's doing a lot with Lois,

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02:03:41.680 --> 02:03:45.760
a lot of reporter work. That's
not sacrificing yourself for the greater good.

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02:03:46.399 --> 02:03:49.720
He used to sit across from this
woman, their love with each other,

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02:03:51.479 --> 02:03:59.239
everything be real, Clark. He's
sacrificed Chloe's knowledge of his secret. I

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02:03:59.279 --> 02:04:03.319
don't think Chloe ever knows that Clark
had he remember you raised well, like

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02:04:03.479 --> 02:04:08.239
Lana said, and Bride's probably for
the best, because she'd be mad.

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02:04:08.479 --> 02:04:11.119
I would never forgive you for that, but you know, you know what's

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02:04:11.159 --> 02:04:14.279
well, I never forgive you for
this, for getting Clark and Latta back

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02:04:14.319 --> 02:04:17.520
together at the end of this episode, and the worst is yet to come.

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02:04:18.279 --> 02:04:20.479
Jones's fighting for his life. I'm
not gonna let who ever did this

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02:04:20.560 --> 02:04:24.840
hide behind the badge Clark can you're
under a rescue attempt to murder the check

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02:04:24.920 --> 02:04:32.359
of Joe This Thursday at eight seventh
Central. Bulletproof got a seven point eight

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02:04:32.439 --> 02:04:36.119
out of ten on IMDb and Neil
Billy from the Superman homepage, you give

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02:04:36.159 --> 02:04:45.279
a day one out of five lava
having to do with Lana of course.

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02:04:45.319 --> 02:04:51.880
But Chris on the letter Great Scale, what would you give Bulletproof? Well,

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02:04:53.399 --> 02:04:58.319
uh, I had this on the
list of my top ten favorite episodes

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02:04:58.359 --> 02:05:02.319
a while back when you asked for
some input on that. Okay, okay.

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02:05:03.520 --> 02:05:11.039
I thoroughly enjoyed the comic book references, Turpin Hamilton, just all of

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02:05:11.119 --> 02:05:15.720
it. Um. I enjoyed Clark
doing things not necessarily with his powers,

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02:05:15.800 --> 02:05:23.880
but of course everyone likes to see
some super saves too. I think the

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02:05:24.079 --> 02:05:27.439
test storyline is great too. I
love the idea that Lex would do this

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02:05:27.520 --> 02:05:30.159
to her and being a faious that
she finds out this way, and it's

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02:05:30.239 --> 02:05:35.680
kind of a turning point. I'm
gonna give it a B plus. I

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02:05:35.840 --> 02:05:41.600
think I enjoyed it a lot of
stuff. Trying not to judge on what's

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02:05:41.680 --> 02:05:48.640
going to come just based on this
episode alone, that's fair. I'm gonna

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02:05:48.640 --> 02:05:55.479
even be minus so probably Bulletproof gets
an average of a B from the duo

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02:05:55.479 --> 02:05:58.720
of us. You know, there's
some good stuff in here. Again,

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02:05:59.279 --> 02:06:05.960
him to tackle a real world issue
is admirable, but the execution is flawed,

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02:06:06.720 --> 02:06:13.520
especially just some of the terminology they
have chose to use back then and

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02:06:13.640 --> 02:06:16.119
what it especially means today. He
can't help but have your intended out for

1888
02:06:16.159 --> 02:06:26.159
that sort of thing. But overall, enjoyable episode. Again the comic book

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02:06:26.359 --> 02:06:29.720
factors. I mean, you're bringing
in Dan Turpin, you're bringing in doctor

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02:06:29.760 --> 02:06:33.000
Hamilton's like, thank god, doctor
Hamilton gets more play than Dan Turpin here

1891
02:06:33.279 --> 02:06:36.039
because doctor Hampton he's, like I
said, he's got like four lines or

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02:06:36.079 --> 02:06:40.159
something right, and then he's gone. But I think, god they bring

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02:06:40.199 --> 02:06:42.479
it back longer. What a waste
he would have been. There must be

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02:06:42.600 --> 02:06:45.479
two I mean, I still like
the first Doctor Hamilton, because I love

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02:06:45.560 --> 02:06:54.000
Joe Morton. I mean, who
doesn't Silas Stone from Justice League fantastic playing

1896
02:06:54.039 --> 02:06:59.079
the same guy, always building cyborgs
and dabbling in technology he shouldn't be.

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02:06:59.560 --> 02:07:01.239
But but no, some good stuff
there. And yeah, the test stuff

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02:07:01.319 --> 02:07:04.199
is good. Uh, they're doing
the best they can with it. They

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02:07:04.199 --> 02:07:06.199
had to work with. They don't
have access to Michaelrosam, I don't have

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02:07:06.199 --> 02:07:10.199
access to Lex Luthor, so they're
the best they can. Her stuff as

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02:07:10.319 --> 02:07:14.439
Lana is actually pretty interesting, I
think, and then a lot of being,

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02:07:14.640 --> 02:07:16.760
you know, seeing herself in tests
and kind of setting her on a

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02:07:16.800 --> 02:07:23.359
better path. That's great. An
episode like this, I guess would somewhat

1904
02:07:23.439 --> 02:07:25.840
be. I don't want to use
the word filler, because there are some

1905
02:07:25.960 --> 02:07:29.760
main story lines that get driven through, but it's not like the a plot

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02:07:29.800 --> 02:07:32.600
of the series of the season with
Doomsday. You're missing a lot of your

1907
02:07:32.640 --> 02:07:39.279
main characters like Jimmy and Lois and
Doomsday. But for what it does,

1908
02:07:39.399 --> 02:07:45.640
it's it's not egregious and that it's
filler. Yeah, And as I said

1909
02:07:45.680 --> 02:07:49.000
off the top, John Jones is
here, Phil Morris love him, criminally

1910
02:07:49.079 --> 02:07:54.640
underused over the course of this series
so there you go. A B minds

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02:07:54.680 --> 02:07:57.359
for me, a B plus from
you. Let's go to the tally board.

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02:07:57.399 --> 02:07:59.760
We have a plus one for a
blue shirt red jacket that brings us

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02:07:59.840 --> 02:08:03.039
day three, a plus one for
episode titles said an episode bulletproof that brings

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02:08:03.119 --> 02:08:05.720
us to sixty six, and we
have a plus one for hospital visit for

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02:08:05.800 --> 02:08:13.119
Detective John Jones that brings us to
one hundred and twenty three. Bechtel tests.

1916
02:08:13.439 --> 02:08:16.520
We have some great dialogue scenes here
between tests and lineup, but they're

1917
02:08:16.560 --> 02:08:22.640
all about lex so Bechtel tals fail
there, all right, Chris Well,

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02:08:22.680 --> 02:08:24.560
a lot of fun talking about this
episode of smavel with you. If people

1919
02:08:24.560 --> 02:08:28.119
want to find you out their online, where can they find you? Thanks

1920
02:08:28.159 --> 02:08:31.359
for having me. I'm always enjoyable
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1921
02:08:31.439 --> 02:08:35.720
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