WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:15.240 He met me. It's the internet. You're busy. Let's do this for 2 00:00:15.279 --> 00:00:18.879 September twenty eight, twenty twenty three. For the next hour or so, 3 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:21.679 let me help you sort through the world of gaming on Game Mess Mornings Live 4 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:28.519 with me Jeff Grubb Today the Day the Gaming Died. But first please join 5 00:00:28.559 --> 00:00:31.519 me. Welcome to today's co host the Game Mess Mornings. It's Janet Joe. 6 00:00:31.640 --> 00:00:35.399 Everybody, jan how are you doing? Buddy? I forgot to buy 7 00:00:35.399 --> 00:00:38.640 a forty I didn't bring to wear black even I told you too, thank 8 00:00:38.679 --> 00:00:44.719 you for wearing I was like, oh shit, I need something black, 9 00:00:45.159 --> 00:00:49.240 but I was too busy printing out my or I'm sorry, I'm just finding 10 00:00:49.320 --> 00:00:53.600 my framed photo of Sir Jim Ryan. He's been knighted by now, I'm 11 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:58.200 sure, so right right? I mean, I know we didn't put the 12 00:00:58.240 --> 00:01:03.039 salute emote in the Giant Bomb chat for this reason specifically, but I'm glad 13 00:01:03.079 --> 00:01:06.599 that it can be Rebut this is the reason it's needed though. This is 14 00:01:06.640 --> 00:01:11.400 why, now more than ever, absolutely, this is when we're going to 15 00:01:11.439 --> 00:01:17.159 do a twenty one gun salute exactly in Moral Kombat Special Forces. Yes, 16 00:01:17.879 --> 00:01:22.079 twenty one have to trigger PlayStation dual sense, control or salute. It's gonna 17 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:26.400 be beautiful, very moving, and emotional. There's a lot happening today. 18 00:01:26.439 --> 00:01:30.239 Most of it actually is sad news, not just Fox sad, but real 19 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:33.159 sad. We'll get some of it here pretty soon. First, though, 20 00:01:33.159 --> 00:01:36.120 I want to thank everybody for joining us. You can get I'm doing my 21 00:01:36.159 --> 00:01:38.840 other intro from my other show, Jan before we getting this, explain what 22 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:42.319 we do here most sweet days, I, Jeff grab will help peace your 23 00:01:42.319 --> 00:01:45.879 gaming life back together. That includes breaking news and maybe even some of our 24 00:01:45.879 --> 00:01:48.599 own original reporting. For all these topics, I'll get the input of a 25 00:01:48.640 --> 00:01:51.799 bona fide expert who will make me look smart. If you were watching live 26 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:53.560 on Twitch, welcome. You can always listen to the show later on podcast 27 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:57.319 feeds by searching for Game Mess Mornings, or find the RSS on giant bomb 28 00:01:57.400 --> 00:02:00.719 dot com. You can also catch the show later with chapters and time stamps 29 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:05.560 on YouTube. Hello YouTube. All right, we have a lot to get 30 00:02:05.560 --> 00:02:09.639 into, so let's start the Morning Mess with PlayStation CEO Jim Ryan is stepping 31 00:02:10.240 --> 00:02:15.919 down. This is from Andy Robinson of VGC Sony Interactive Entertainment CEO and President. 32 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:20.240 Jim Ryan is set to step down from his position, the company has 33 00:02:20.240 --> 00:02:24.759 confirmed. Sony Interactive Entertainment Today is announced that's SIE President and CEO Jim Ryan 34 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:29.719 has made the decision to retire in March twenty twenty four after almost thirty years 35 00:02:29.719 --> 00:02:32.240 with the PlayStation business. Sony said that in a statement on Wednesday, to 36 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:38.400 support mister Ryan in his transition, Sony Group Corporation President, CEO and CFO. 37 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:43.120 This all the same person, Hiroki Totoki, will assume the role of 38 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:47.919 chairman of SIE effective October twenty twenty three. Effective effective April first, twenty 39 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:53.479 twenty four, mister Tetoki will be appointed interim CEO of SIE while he continues 40 00:02:53.520 --> 00:02:58.240 his current role at Sony Group Corporation. Mister Tatoki will work closely with Sony 41 00:02:58.280 --> 00:03:04.319 Group Corporation Chairman and CEO Kinichi Kinichiro Yoshida, and the management team of SIE 42 00:03:04.360 --> 00:03:08.360 to help to find the next chapter of PlayStation's future, including the succession of 43 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:14.719 SIE CEO role. In his own statement, Jim Ryan cited difficulties juggling his 44 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:19.439 home life in Europe and work responsibilities in North America. After thirty years, 45 00:03:19.479 --> 00:03:22.719 I've made the decision to retire from SIE in March twenty twenty four, He 46 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:25.479 said, I've relished the opportunity to have a job I love in a very 47 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:30.039 special company, working with great people and incredible partners. But I found it 48 00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:34.479 increasingly difficult to reconcile living in Europe and working in North America. I will 49 00:03:34.560 --> 00:03:38.240 leave having been privileged to work on products that have touched millions of lives across 50 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:40.719 the world. PlayStation will always be a part of my life, and I 51 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:45.960 feel more optimistic than ever about the future of Sony Interactive Entertainment. He goes 52 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:50.159 on to thank Yoshida all this stuff. This it's it's an end of an 53 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:55.120 era overt at Sony. I'll tell you what I love having Jim Ryan and 54 00:03:55.159 --> 00:04:01.199 gaming jam because he is as he's the ultimate punching up a target, which 55 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:03.919 is maybe why he's retiring because we now started punching down era and he's like, 56 00:04:03.919 --> 00:04:06.719 man, I'm gonna miss those guys coming after me, because it's like 57 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:12.639 he's super successful. He's made so many a ton of money his decisions. 58 00:04:12.639 --> 00:04:15.480 While sometimes I think in terms of like the pr communication might seem baffling, 59 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:19.120 it's almost always led to them making more money and being more successful. So 60 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:24.480 yeah, definitely the end of an era. But I guess what, how 61 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:26.839 do you define his legacy? What, like, what do you think of 62 00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:30.839 when you think of Jim Ryan at PlayStation I just I think you said, 63 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:35.800 I think of a lot of baffling decisions that wind up working out anyway. 64 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:42.279 So he is the ultimate puncher upper falling down, you know, falling up 65 00:04:42.319 --> 00:04:47.480 the stairs type of guy. His shins must really hurt from falling up so 66 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:54.480 much. And I I always think of Jim Ryan as just like a goofy 67 00:04:54.560 --> 00:04:58.040 dude, and not like a haha, funny goofy dude, but like goofy 68 00:04:58.079 --> 00:05:01.839 ask decisions where it's like, what the fuck are you talking about? Yeah? 69 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:08.240 But the PS five PlayStation, it's the strongest it's been in how long? 70 00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:12.279 Right, like managed to eke out from like around the PS four to 71 00:05:12.439 --> 00:05:15.839 now just being like a industry leader. I mean, you know, the 72 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:19.639 Sony PlayStation is one of like the big three, but like even more so, 73 00:05:19.759 --> 00:05:27.079 it's it's like eking out. Uh, it's stronger than Xbox and PlayStation 74 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:30.279 four even like which was the leader last generation. It's like even more growth 75 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:32.439 this time around. So yeah, yeah he's figured it out. Is this 76 00:05:32.519 --> 00:05:38.720 because Phil signed that PS five. Yeah, probably this is probably that probably 77 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:41.759 broke some sort of spell or something and he had to get out of there. 78 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:46.759 Jim Ryan is always okay, So it's weird. Jim Ryan took over 79 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:53.199 PlayStation from Seawan Layden. Shawn Layden was you know and a run that time. 80 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:56.120 A lot of executives were leaving Sony, not just executives, a lot 81 00:05:56.160 --> 00:05:58.240 of people up and down the chain, and you got the sense that like, 82 00:05:58.759 --> 00:06:02.240 wow, Sony had moved, moved the headquarters of PlayStation of Sony Interactive 83 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:09.439 Entertainment from Tokyo to southern California, that was now kind of being shifted back 84 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:11.680 over to Europe where it's like, oh, a lot of the people who 85 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:15.079 are in charge of Sony are coming out of what was formerly Sony Computer Entertainment 86 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:18.319 Europe, see, which was Jim Ryan's stopping grounds. So you got to 87 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:25.160 feel like he sort of remade Sony Interactive Entertainment in that image, and I 88 00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:28.160 was able to start calling the shots, and that's what kind of drove many 89 00:06:28.160 --> 00:06:31.839 of these people out. And you know, even some people who were like 90 00:06:31.879 --> 00:06:35.920 in like had higher up jobs sort of got what seemed like demoded. And 91 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:42.920 that that includes that Kinichiro, who is someone who I think was once Jim 92 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:45.879 Ryan's boss. He's like, no, now he works for him under him, 93 00:06:45.920 --> 00:06:48.519 and like even he's not getting the interim roll Hirooke to Toki is So 94 00:06:48.519 --> 00:06:51.360 it's like it was always this weird scramble at the early time of Jim Ryan 95 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:58.759 taking over the top job. But Sony Computer Entertainment Europe was always the like 96 00:06:58.879 --> 00:07:02.160 the model of what they wanted Sony PlayStation to look look like overall, because 97 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:06.439 it was just so dominant. It was such a pop culture force, it 98 00:07:06.560 --> 00:07:11.439 was a marketing force. It had these strong ties to FIFA and all these 99 00:07:11.480 --> 00:07:15.160 games that had strong ties into Europe, and they wanted to take that globally. 100 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:19.279 I think mostly there's no way to say he didn't succeed at that, 101 00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:21.800 Like there's just nowhere evidence to point it to be like, no, that 102 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:26.759 didn't work for the most part. It did right for the most part. 103 00:07:27.079 --> 00:07:29.399 In its entirety, it did. I mean, you have a framed photo 104 00:07:29.439 --> 00:07:34.120 of this gentleman for goofs, but you have a framed photo of this gentleman. 105 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:38.720 Nonetheless, it's right, absolutely we can pulled in that control or like 106 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:42.759 a real alpha male. That's how you do it. Some folks have said 107 00:07:42.759 --> 00:07:46.199 this in the chat. Doctor Ian reminds me, But I'm wondering, does 108 00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:51.040 with Jim Ryan leaving and him being a very business oriented and like growth mindset, 109 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:59.680 do we see PlayStation as a whole getting weird all over again. Yeah 110 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:03.360 it's possible. I mean, it's always possible. Like where's the hubrists come 111 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:07.079 from? I get the sense that that Jim Ryan had some of that hubrists, 112 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:11.800 But I think he was also pretty mindful about the past mistakes that Sony's 113 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:15.040 made and has done a pretty good job of either side stepping in with them 114 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:18.959 or dealing with them quickly when they arise. And even even like his gaffs 115 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:22.560 of like saying like, oh yeah, who would want to play these old 116 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:28.279 games so that PlayStation made and people revere like that stuff was always blown a 117 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:31.519 little bit out of proportion, but you know, it's the kind of thing 118 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:35.159 where like it's weird that you would say that, But he has tried to 119 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:39.320 deal with that, and he hasn't really made similar gaffs since then. He 120 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:41.240 said some other stuff that's pretty crazy, but yeah, it was a different 121 00:08:41.279 --> 00:08:46.679 variety and things that he could deal with quickly. I think Jim Jim Ryan's 122 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:54.000 legacy is going to be that he was someone who didn't have an apparent frontword 123 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:56.960 facing passion for games, and yeah, he shows that he has seemed to 124 00:08:56.960 --> 00:09:01.840 have a passion for business and growing numbers bigger, and that's really what that 125 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:05.360 position is about. And in all you know, all measures, he succeeded 126 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:07.559 to that that that stuff. When it comes to like what's next for Sony, 127 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:11.399 Yeah, I do think it's a little bit uh questionable because they are 128 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:16.200 in a transitionary period. They are, you know, the transition in like 129 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:18.480 that, not that they're moving from one way of doing business to another, 130 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:22.120 but they are trying to adopt new ways of doing business in addition to their 131 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:26.159 quasi lost leading two hundred million dollars big budget projects, they want to have 132 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:30.799 the live service stuff and that stuff was all putting into effect under Jim Ryan. 133 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:33.039 But I think Jim Ryan was operating on during sort of mandate from the 134 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:37.559 company like we need this and we're going to see the results of that, 135 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:41.240 and do they is the person that's going to come in, going to have 136 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:46.639 the wherewithal and going to have the context to know like, yeah, that 137 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:50.200 stuff is important. Having games that can just make money forever is important, 138 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:54.960 but PlayStation number one, the number one priority needs to the PlayStation games need 139 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:58.759 to feel like the highest quality games out there, and and and and they 140 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:03.000 also need to have a friendly relationship with gamers. They don't have to be 141 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:05.720 as you know, hey buddy, buddy, like Xboxes a lot of times 142 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:09.200 where Xbox is like, hey dude, man, we're just so on your 143 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:11.039 side. I'm gonna slap you on the back and we're all in this together. 144 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:15.919 That stuff is obviously, you know, Microsoft trying to build a relationship, 145 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:18.759 so it has that that network effect that at once that Phil Spencer was 146 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:22.600 talking about in that leaked email for PlayStation, it's just like, no, 147 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:26.960 you have that brand strength. So as long as you kind of keep things 148 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:28.879 on an even keel for the most part, you're gonna be good. But 149 00:10:28.919 --> 00:10:33.000 it's very easy. I think if you are a big company that's that's had 150 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:35.879 a lot of success, success for thirty years, to be like we know 151 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:39.039 better than anyone else and maybe someone could step in it. But there's no 152 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:43.480 reason to assume that will happen either. So I'm very curious to see what 153 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:48.279 direction they go and if they're able to maintain the momentum that they've built up 154 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:52.039 over the time. For Jim Ryan, he's been there PlayStation and some form 155 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:58.240 since nineteen ninety four. That is pretty impressive, pretty impressive run and kind 156 00:10:58.279 --> 00:11:00.799 of yeah, kind of hard to say anything. Then. We love you, 157 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:03.639 Jim, We love you so much, thanks Jim. Yeah, yeah, 158 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:09.879 it's it is not a position that I think could easily be filled in 159 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:13.759 immediately and everything. Uh, it's gonna take a lot of untangling. But 160 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:20.559 I do hope that maybe there's a not different set of everyone's salute, different 161 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:26.159 set of ethos moving forward. But I would like to see a version of 162 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:31.919 PlayStation that is, let acting less like a triple A blockbuster movie studio all 163 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:37.559 the time and kind of embrace smaller projects and weird offshoots as well. Like 164 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:43.039 you know, I would like for them to have maybe a stronger indie initiative, 165 00:11:43.159 --> 00:11:50.480 smaller game initiative than what they're currently just doing with like you said, 166 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:54.360 lost leading massive games. Sometimes I just don't want to play them. Grab 167 00:11:54.799 --> 00:11:58.600 you say, hey, give me a PSP, give me an actual PSP 168 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:03.240 PSP, And that's the PlayStation portals. So yeah, like I try to 169 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:05.840 think of, like what initiatives did Jim Ryan specifically lead. I think it 170 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:11.000 was just to make PlayStation more PlayStation than ever before, and that that is 171 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:15.960 going to potentially have some long term, small detrimental effects. I think you 172 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:18.440 spotted the ones most specifically that I would think about, and that is the 173 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:24.960 ability to make a variety of tiers of games. Obviously they make the biggest 174 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:28.919 ones. Do they have any sort of incentive structure to make anything less than 175 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:31.720 that? These days? It seems like no. It seems like it's so 176 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:35.480 aggressive that they don't even have much of an incentive to encourage smaller developers to 177 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:39.600 bring their games to PlayStation. That's something we've heard developers developers complain about over 178 00:12:39.639 --> 00:12:45.200 the past couple of years, and Sony's made some improvements, but it's still 179 00:12:45.279 --> 00:12:50.759 nothing like putting games out on even the Xbox or the Switch, where it's 180 00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:52.799 much more friendly, which is why you see so many more indie games on 181 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:56.919 the Switch, and you see a similar number of indie games on Xbox, 182 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:58.840 even though you know they're going to sell less on Xbox than PlayStation because there's 183 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:03.639 more PlayStations out there. But people seem to prioritize indie developers, seem to 184 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:09.720 prioritize Xbox because it's much of friendlier confines. I hope that Sony can build 185 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:16.000 in a build a business model going forward where they can see all of these 186 00:13:16.039 --> 00:13:18.679 different kinds of games and find a way to make it all fit under the 187 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:22.320 PlayStation umbrella expand what PlayStation can mean once again, I hope that's what's happening 188 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:26.039 other than just the live service stuff, which is obvious and very important. 189 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:30.480 I get it, but that's you know, maybe one or two of those 190 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:33.480 games will hit for me, and maybe one or two will hit overall and 191 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:39.279 actually still be a going concern in five or six years or whatever. Yeah, 192 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:41.799 when it comes to like, when I think about the people who have 193 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:46.840 run PlayStation as much as I have Fune with Jim Ryan, it's definitely like 194 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:52.000 it was definitely not as a warm or as memorable as like Andrew House or 195 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:58.759 Jack Trenton or Sean Leyden or a lot of or Ken Kutaraki or all these 196 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:01.960 guys that were just it seemed to have some like their veins were kind of 197 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:07.159 tapped into what was happening. And I just remember Andrew House being on stage 198 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:13.320 with Hideo Kojima just grinning from ear to Ear speaking perfect Japanese to Kojima or 199 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:16.879 Kojima, and it was just like, man, he is he made this 200 00:14:16.960 --> 00:14:22.039 happen. He's proud of this, and and yeah, there's no moments like 201 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:24.120 that really from that I think of when I think of Jim Ryan. But 202 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:31.759 still it's hard to argue with the results, right, Yeah, I it 203 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:37.480 despite their not being any not any, but like a lot good chunk of 204 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:43.519 memories at E Three's and then subsequently Summer game Fest. The general, the 205 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:48.960 big impact is still felt from Jim Ryan's presence. But yeah, I grew 206 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:50.240 up. I would just like to I just want them to get weird. 207 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:54.879 They all got the money, be weird, be like, just just pull 208 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:58.759 an eight twenty four, just make like a bunch of weird shit. I 209 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:05.559 Jim Ryan, what a weirdo? Stopped thinking about what a weirdoes? What 210 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:07.919 is he gonna do with all those ear pictures? I don't know. Yeah, 211 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:13.000 him and Mark thirty got their ear picture bank probably two hundred feet underground 212 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:18.360 protected for the rest of the time. Yeah, that's what I'm just gonna 213 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:22.120 go spend time with my family and look at my ear pictures. That's what 214 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:28.879 I'm gonna do. He's he's somewhere in the countryside of Europe. He's spinning 215 00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:33.559 a top, finally seeing his faceless children. You know that. That is 216 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:37.480 the other thing about Jim Ryan is how much he's just like Europe number one. 217 00:15:37.960 --> 00:15:41.120 It's like, I've never really met anyone like that. So it's like 218 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:45.600 it's very strange to be like, I will never forget when he when he's 219 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:48.000 like, we made Herman Holst the head of PlayStation Worldwide Studios. So and 220 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:52.039 he's from Europe, so all Europeans can be proud about this, So like 221 00:15:52.159 --> 00:15:54.879 can they's anyone care? I only usually even care about this. Jim Ryan. 222 00:15:54.960 --> 00:16:00.159 The idea that like he's a European and I'm a European back, It's 223 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:04.440 great, okay. I think he took the Sony Computer Entertainment Europe job very 224 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:10.440 seriously and that and like and building up the importance of that as a important 225 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:14.440 piece for a Japanese company. You know what. I get that if you're 226 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:15.559 someone who's done that, you should be proud of that, because that that 227 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:18.320 takes a lot of work and a lot of time. But the idea that 228 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:22.759 that then transfers to euro pride is weird to me. I don't know. 229 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:29.960 All right, let's see here, I got a couple more stories before we're 230 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:32.279 Yeah, let's see, let's hit this next one. This one just broke. 231 00:16:32.559 --> 00:16:34.279 Actually, you know, before we say that, Jim Jim Ryan got 232 00:16:34.279 --> 00:16:37.000 a tribute from Phil. Jim just said, Jim Ryan has been a great 233 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:41.120 contributor to our industry and a fierce leader for PlayStation I wish him the best 234 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:44.759 and what he does next. Thank you for all you've done for the community 235 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:48.240 over the last thirty years, Jim. So there you go. The the 236 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:55.080 competition, the spirit of competition is alive, but respect between leaders. He 237 00:16:55.240 --> 00:16:57.799 said that after he signed the PS five and started laughing, knowing that he 238 00:16:57.840 --> 00:17:03.799 had undid the spell. Yes you think they they ever, like have dinner 239 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:07.720 together someday? I bet they do. But they I am sure they do? 240 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:11.400 Yes, yes, yeah, why not? Why wouldn't they? Who 241 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:15.880 do you think? Frinds the bill? Though? Oh, Jim definitely makes 242 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:21.240 Philip pay one hundred percent, one million percent. He makes he makes Philip 243 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:25.759 pay. I can imagine Phil making the face after like Jim doesn't do the 244 00:17:25.799 --> 00:17:29.880 check dance. No, Like Jim will just be like yeah, and then 245 00:17:29.920 --> 00:17:36.920 it'll be like Okay, okay. Uh, He's like, what would you 246 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:41.359 need another sixty on billion dollars because you know you're gonna pay Uh all right. 247 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:45.920 Epic is laying off sixteen percent of its employees, which is around nine 248 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:48.799 hundred people. This is breaking right now. Jason Try right before the show 249 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:52.640 started, tweeted Epic Games, the makers of Fortnite and Unreal Engine, is 250 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:57.119 laying off a sixteen percent, a whopping sixteen percent of employees, Sources tell 251 00:17:57.160 --> 00:18:03.079 Bloomberg News. Epic like everyone else hired up during the pandemic that and now 252 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:07.680 it's like there are on the other side of that, and there is still 253 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:12.920 some economic uncertainty. Although that recession that everyone said is gonna come hasn't really 254 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:17.680 come. Consumers are still spending a lot of money. Still, Epics seems 255 00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:22.839 like, hey, maybe it's time to cost cut some cost I'll say real 256 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:25.799 quick. Epic is paying out that two hundred and forty five million dollars fine 257 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:30.519 that it got assessed earlier this year for its dark patterns. Remember yes, 258 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:33.240 remember that story. Oh, they put the button there, made it very 259 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:37.599 easy to buy stuff, made it more difficult to cancel stuff. Uh. 260 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:41.720 And so Lena Khan went after his asked Tim Sweeney got him and not to 261 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:44.599 a quarter of a million. A quarter of a billion dollars is what they're 262 00:18:44.599 --> 00:18:48.000 paying him fines and they have to pay that out. So you see that 263 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:51.279 that probably hurts the bottom line a little bit. Although it's a very successful 264 00:18:51.279 --> 00:18:52.680 company. It probably makes more than a billion dollars. But you know, 265 00:18:52.759 --> 00:18:55.079 you know what, you know, you know what, no matter what, 266 00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:56.559 a quarter of a billion dollars is going to hurt you. I wonder if 267 00:18:56.559 --> 00:19:03.039 this is related to that. I bet it's probably more related to Fortnite's growth 268 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:07.440 is almost certainly on the other side of the bell curve, right, Yeah, 269 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:15.960 yeah, I think you're right in that assessment that it feels like Fortnite 270 00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:18.319 for the longest time, at least the last couple of years, was like 271 00:19:18.359 --> 00:19:22.279 an unst unstoppable juggernaut. But I think the other games in that similar space 272 00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:27.519 are also starting to slow down. You see it with Apex pub G, 273 00:19:29.720 --> 00:19:37.319 even contemporary other contemporaries like Roadblocks, even where now Fortnite is added the ability 274 00:19:37.359 --> 00:19:40.559 to make your own like kind kind of make your own games or your own 275 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:45.960 modes and add different skins to it. When really, what is what what 276 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:49.200 more innovation can we do or at least what can we ape from our competitors 277 00:19:51.559 --> 00:19:53.880 grub I see a world, unfortunately, and I hate that I'm putting this 278 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:59.920 out into the universe. I see a world where Fortnite would start adding gotcha 279 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:06.519 elements. Definitely, I think they might look into some other more accepted gray 280 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:08.519 patterns instead of dark patterns. Right there, be like, well, we 281 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:11.960 couldn't get away with the dark patterns. What are things that work and have 282 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:17.319 been sort of codified as you know, quote unquote legal. How can we 283 00:20:17.799 --> 00:20:22.359 ethically monetize these teams? Yeah, I jan, I think you're probably right 284 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:25.480 that they are going to start looking at more of that kind of stuff, 285 00:20:25.759 --> 00:20:30.480 and in the meantime, they're cutting jobs. Tim Sweeney did eight eight months 286 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:33.359 ago tweet epic during a recession, and it's a picture of a bunch of 287 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:36.839 shields and a bunch of dudes in military looking like they're protecting themselves against it. 288 00:20:36.880 --> 00:20:38.680 And it's like, first of all, there was in recession back then, 289 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:44.000 and there's definitely not one. Now. I get that there's stole reason 290 00:20:44.079 --> 00:20:48.319 to batting down the hatches somewhat, but come on, like, why why 291 00:20:48.480 --> 00:20:52.319 why ever tweet something like we're invulnerable, and then within the same calendar year, 292 00:20:52.839 --> 00:20:57.160 prove that you're not, like especially someone in his position, like that 293 00:20:57.279 --> 00:21:03.119 is such a stupid thing because then now you and I other folks are looking 294 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:07.079 back at it and thinking like you're a fucking idiot, Like you are an 295 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:12.920 idiot if you thought you could, if you had tweeted this picture to show 296 00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:18.359 how invulnerable your company is, a couple of months later layoff nine hundred people. 297 00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:23.279 It's a bad look because it's a bad it's terrible. Yep, it's 298 00:21:23.599 --> 00:21:27.720 a just overall. I mean, I think Tim Sweeney's got a bit of 299 00:21:27.759 --> 00:21:32.319 a I don't know what kind of complex it is, but he definitely has 300 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:37.079 some sort of thing where we're just I don't know, he does feel like 301 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:40.599 he's the hero a little bit, or always fighting up against I mean, 302 00:21:40.599 --> 00:21:41.880 you can see it going back to the fight against Apple, and we'll talk 303 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:45.599 if there's some news there as well. I was gonna ask if do you 304 00:21:45.640 --> 00:21:52.519 think the fight with Apple has any effect on their bottom line? You know, 305 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:55.000 for all, I think it probably does a little bit. But the 306 00:21:55.079 --> 00:21:59.160 real, the real problem, the real trouble for them has to be the 307 00:21:59.160 --> 00:22:03.720 fight with Valve because the amount of money that they've spent trying to build up 308 00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:07.240 the Epic Game Store and why And you know, I will to my own 309 00:22:07.279 --> 00:22:10.559 horn here even though it's kind of like, again, this is not like 310 00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:14.000 great news, but I was screaming at the beginning, this won't work. 311 00:22:14.400 --> 00:22:18.759 You're going to spend all of this money trying to give people free games to 312 00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:22.839 get them to shift their behaviors, and we know how difficult that is. 313 00:22:22.119 --> 00:22:27.279 Like just like to illustrate it. People on Steam are so ingrained in that 314 00:22:27.319 --> 00:22:32.880 system that they are willing to like buy digital hats on the store like they 315 00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:37.880 are like in their own digital economy of buying virtual goods because they believe in 316 00:22:37.920 --> 00:22:41.000 the story that Valves told them about the value of these things, and these 317 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:45.960 hats are worth like a lot of money for something like Counterstrike or or whatever, 318 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:51.000 or Dota and all this stuff. It is like telling people like, 319 00:22:51.079 --> 00:22:53.799 Okay, well leave that thing that you've bought in brought in on. You've 320 00:22:53.799 --> 00:22:57.079 bought in on the narrative of the value of the of these virtual goods in 321 00:22:57.119 --> 00:23:00.359 these games, and you're in the and the way that you know, having 322 00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:04.240 your digital library makes you feel you're fully in on that stuff. We're going 323 00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:07.400 to give you one free game every couple of weeks, so come over to 324 00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:11.079 Epic. There was no way that was ever going to work. And yet 325 00:23:11.160 --> 00:23:15.960 Epic has spent years doing that, spending lots and lots of money and not 326 00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:18.680 really and maybe spending some money to improve their store, not making a ton 327 00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:22.319 of changes there, And of course it hasn't worked. It never was going 328 00:23:22.359 --> 00:23:23.640 to work. Everyone else has tried this, it never worked for them. 329 00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:26.559 Epic maybe made the most valiant effort, but it was never ever going to 330 00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:33.200 happen. So I think they're probably looking at this kind of Tim Sweeney swinging 331 00:23:33.279 --> 00:23:37.440 his arms at Windmills and going like, oh, okay, well, that 332 00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:38.440 that was a lot of money down the train. We kind of maybe need 333 00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:41.599 to rethink some stuff here. What can we do fire nine hundred people? 334 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:45.440 That's okay, Maybe we could have saved that money and done something better with 335 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:52.079 it instead of what instead of on a clearly futile effort to remove steams power 336 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:56.640 base. Yeah, I think that's their biggest issue right there. It's kind 337 00:23:56.640 --> 00:24:00.960 of Tim going into all the Obviously I think Apples indicative of it, but 338 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:06.359 I think Tens sort of insistence on always going into all of these fights and 339 00:24:06.440 --> 00:24:08.799 taking people on by like by the horns, and spending as much money as 340 00:24:08.799 --> 00:24:14.160 he needs. It's it's waste, and clearly other people are now paying for 341 00:24:14.200 --> 00:24:21.599 those obvious mistakes. Yeah, the hubrists is very very gigantic, yes, 342 00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:26.359 with with some of the business decisions, and you know, to that effect, 343 00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:29.759 grub Like a lot of my friends that have only ever been console gamers, 344 00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:33.240 when they think about PC gaming, the number one thing that always pops 345 00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:38.200 up is like Steam. They never think about other game launchers, other game 346 00:24:38.279 --> 00:24:41.319 stores. Like the number one thing is like Steam. Yeah, like, 347 00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:45.519 oh yeah, Steam. When I eventually buy a PC, all good Steam? 348 00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:49.160 Right? What Steam? And then I have to do the complicated task 349 00:24:49.240 --> 00:24:56.559 of explaining to them what Steam is. Now. At least Epic has a 350 00:24:56.599 --> 00:25:00.079 backbone like band Camp and it's marketing companies Super Awesome. Oh wait no it 351 00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:07.920 doesn't. The news the party is Epic is divesting of its previous acquisitions band 352 00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:11.799 Camp, which it's selling to marketers song Trader, and it's also spinning out 353 00:25:11.799 --> 00:25:15.279 its marketing company Super Awesome to operate independently. So this is like a pretty 354 00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:21.480 major restructuring that's happening an Epic forgot. I forgot that they bought band I 355 00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:23.079 forgot that. Well, I mean we're always like, okay, so what's 356 00:25:23.119 --> 00:25:26.680 that gonna look like? Well? Nothing, It never looked like anything here 357 00:25:26.680 --> 00:25:30.799 we are right, like, oh my god, Like they could have spun 358 00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:33.519 band camp into like, hey, we have these games on our game store, 359 00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:37.440 why don't you bar the soundtrack to them? Like why not have a 360 00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:42.880 link on game pages to link over to like an album or a vinyl or 361 00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:47.640 whatever, something that like the something Steam has done for a very long time. 362 00:25:47.720 --> 00:25:49.400 It's like I always always forget, like, oh I have a ton 363 00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:53.759 of soundtracks on Steam. That's weird me too. It's like, wait a 364 00:25:53.839 --> 00:26:00.519 minute, I have this cool How do I listen to these songs? Yeah, 365 00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:02.920 let's see. You know what this story is related, Jance, So 366 00:26:02.920 --> 00:26:04.680 I'm going to move it up. We'll talk about it right now. Epic 367 00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:11.160 is increasing the price of v Bucks starting in Octobers. From tom Ivan MVGC, 368 00:26:11.799 --> 00:26:15.160 Epic Games has announced plans to increase the price of Fortnite Vbucks and some 369 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:19.599 real money content packs. The company set updated pricing will be introduced on October 370 00:26:19.599 --> 00:26:23.920 twenty seven in the Czech Republic. It did mark Eurozone countries Hungary, Japan, 371 00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:27.799 Norway, Poland, Romania, Sweden, Turkey, and the United States 372 00:26:27.920 --> 00:26:32.880 as those countries that use the US dollar in their Fortnite stores. These adjustments 373 00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:36.680 are based on economic factors such as inflation and currency fluctuations, and for all 374 00:26:36.680 --> 00:26:41.200 those similar pricing alignments recently completed in the United Kingdom, Canada and Mexico. 375 00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:45.119 Epics said v bucks, So here's just quick breakdown. One thousand v bucks 376 00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:51.400 previously cost US previously priced at eight dollars, will now be nine dollars. 377 00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:56.240 Twenty eight hundred v bucks was twenty now twenty three. Five thousand v bucks 378 00:26:56.359 --> 00:27:00.799 was thirty two, it's now thirty seven, and thirteen thousand, five hundred 379 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:06.440 bucks was eighty dollars. It will now be ninety dollars. Jan I think 380 00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:11.160 this goes back to the very first point of Fortnite was growing this way, 381 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:15.440 and now it's growing sideways, and you need to make more money from fewer 382 00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:18.319 people. Were about the same amount of people, right, right, That's 383 00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:23.160 what's happening here. Yeah, they they already blew their load by throwing in 384 00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:27.839 Goku too early. Goku could I'm I'm positive not to joke around, but 385 00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:32.160 I'm positive. Goku could have saved everyone if they waited long enough. Yeah, 386 00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:33.480 they were too early on the Goku button, Like you need, you 387 00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:37.920 need the Goku button. That was a bit too early. Let's see here 388 00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:45.640 more. Oh yeah, yeah. Patrick is sharing that image of of Tim 389 00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:48.759 Sweeney making fun of other companies for playing off a bunch of people. I 390 00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:53.119 yeah, please. I already have come to the conclusion Grub that I don't 391 00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:57.160 understand money. I don't think I ever will understand money. But when I 392 00:27:57.240 --> 00:28:03.640 see companies making moves like this where they are raising the prices of something like 393 00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:07.799 Vbucks, acquiring a bunch of companies that they will never use, and then 394 00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:12.519 eventually divesting them and then eventually laying off sixteen percent of their employees, I 395 00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:15.839 don't think they understand money. Yeah. I always think about like I can't 396 00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:18.720 remember who this was. It just was a story I heard one time where 397 00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:22.279 it's like, guys, like, my investment strategy is if the numbers are 398 00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:26.039 going up into the right, it means they're always going to go up into 399 00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:27.559 the right, And if they're going down into the right, they're always going 400 00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:30.720 to go down to the right. So it's and that's how I look at 401 00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:33.720 it. Wait with that, we definitely know that's not true. But he's 402 00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:37.359 like, I'm a billionaire, so it's working for me. And I think 403 00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:42.079 that's what happens with these guys is they begin believing that their farts actually do 404 00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:45.559 smell like roses, and that they can do no wrong, and that because 405 00:28:45.559 --> 00:28:49.440 they're making today, they're going to make money tomorrow, and so build all 406 00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:52.200 the stuff right now because all the money tomorrow is going to pay for it. 407 00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:56.599 And now here here we are, and and the Epics not alone on 408 00:28:56.640 --> 00:29:00.319 this. They are not some anomaly here. This happens to a lot of 409 00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:03.759 companies, but they they are. You know, it's happening over EA with 410 00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:07.279 Apex Legends, right, we talked about that before. It's it's growth is 411 00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:08.680 on the other side, the other side of the bell curve as well. 412 00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:11.839 And here we are with Fortnite kind of doing the same thing. But you 413 00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:15.160 think Fortnite even bigger, even more lucrative. But it sort doesn't matter because 414 00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:22.799 Epic spent even more money. We need to somehow get into the vents of 415 00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:26.720 of Epics office so we can pop out and punch down. Yeah, that's 416 00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:30.000 what we need. That's that's the key. Here's we got to get up 417 00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:37.880 so we could punch back down, all right. Sega's shooter Hyenas has been 418 00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:42.640 canceled in uh Jesus more just it's bloodbath today out there jan other games can't 419 00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:45.640 as well as part of restructuring. This is from Eddie McCoo at Game Spot. 420 00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:51.240 Sega has announced a restructuring that includes the the cancelation of creative assemblies, 421 00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:56.279 shooters, Hyenas and other projects within the wider Siga organization. Sega Sammy, 422 00:29:56.319 --> 00:29:59.839 the parent companies, said this restructuring is mainly taking part within the companies European 423 00:29:59.839 --> 00:30:03.240 to As a result of the effort, Sega plans to take a loss for 424 00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:07.200 the current fiscal year and a statement, Sega said the environment surrounding the consumer 425 00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:11.279 area has been rapidly changing, including reactionary decline from stuff from the stay at 426 00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:15.640 home demand and COVID nineteen and the economic downturn due to the inflict due to 427 00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:19.960 inflation and European regions, and profitability has been lowered mainly in European bases. 428 00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:25.359 In response to the SEGA said it is taking steps to implement structural reforms aimed 429 00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:30.680 at increasing efficiency, mainly in Europe that's so we said it, like, 430 00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:33.759 Okay, yeah, there's there's no like at like recession recession. But obviously 431 00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:38.640 currency and inflation like these are causing problems where you're operating in a place like 432 00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:42.920 Europe and it has a much greater inflation than what's happening here, and so 433 00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:45.680 you're putting in the same amount of efforts, spending the same amount of money, 434 00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:48.920 and the money you're getting back is worth less. And it's like, 435 00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:52.559 okay, I that obviously is causing problems. And I think these companies are 436 00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:56.200 looking like, what can we do about that? And they don't. There 437 00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:59.640 is no real great answer other than no other than let's be scared of what 438 00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:03.160 we're doing and pull away and cancel stuff. This apparently, I think I 439 00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:07.640 saw some I think what I saw was a developer working on hyenas at Creative 440 00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:10.599 Assembly saying, man, your life can change in an instant. So it 441 00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:12.279 seems like this kind of came out of nowhere for that team. They were 442 00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:17.039 working towards releasing hyenas, and now they're having the rugs swept out from underneath 443 00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:21.279 them. It's it's it's a bummer. I never had any excitement for hyenas 444 00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:22.680 jan, I guess I felt like, hey, I could have told you 445 00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:25.599 no one was going to care about this, but I say that about a 446 00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:26.680 bunch of games that turn out to be the biggest games in the world. 447 00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:30.200 So I also like, I don't know what I'm talking about a lot of 448 00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:32.400 the time. But what, yeah, what do you think. It's one 449 00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:36.119 of those instances as well, where like I would love to be wrong right, 450 00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:40.440 Like I would love for brow blow up and be like the new hotness. 451 00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:45.880 I don't know. Whenever I see stories like this and the last trend 452 00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:51.640 of stories, actually, I just think about my manager from the Gap and 453 00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:56.480 how he seemed like he actually had the best business acumen because he was like, 454 00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:00.680 yeah, man, the people we offer jobs to are pretty shop here 455 00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:04.920 a lot because if we give them money, they're just going to spend money 456 00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:08.759 back here. So like you know, Sheila making up names. Now, 457 00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:12.799 Sheila used to come in here buy sweaters all the time, and I was 458 00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:15.079 like, hey, you want to just work here? And now Sheila literally 459 00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:21.440 buy sweaters here all the time. She's buying more because of her employee discount. 460 00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:25.759 It's just one of those things of like I don't do people not fucking 461 00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:30.519 understand that hey, just give give your own base more money, and then 462 00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:37.160 that'll just I don't want to talk about Paul economics here and how I think 463 00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:40.400 just fucking pay people more instead of being fucking scared and giving into like this 464 00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:47.480 fake recession that everyone has. All these big business people grub they've worked themselves 465 00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:51.720 into a shoot. They have definitely worked themselves into a shoot. That's a 466 00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:53.799 big part of what's happened here over the past couple I mean, And it's 467 00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:58.799 like, who's really feeling the pain? Obviously businesses might be paying more for 468 00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:01.559 their component parts, not game developers. Oh no, yeah, because I'm 469 00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:06.680 not game developer. It's definitely not happening. But it's like human beings trying 470 00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:12.319 to like eat food. Who's actually feeling the pain out there? And yet 471 00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:15.680 consumers continue to spend money, at least in the United States. Again, 472 00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:17.079 it's it's different around the world. In the United States, people are definitely 473 00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:20.960 feeling that pain, and they're also still spending a lot of money on a 474 00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:23.839 bunch of other consumer goods, and it's like that's driving the economy. Things 475 00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:30.359 are the fundamentals still look surprisingly strong based on that that spending, and these 476 00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:32.160 companies are like we don't believe it. We're freaking out. We are freaking 477 00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:36.559 out over here, man, and and now everyone has to continue kind of 478 00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:39.559 paying the price. I just feel so terrible grub because you know, we 479 00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:43.880 know do the nature of the show, and like the website, we have 480 00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:49.319 to cover upsetting stories like this, right, and it's all and I do. 481 00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:53.319 I think there's a positive side where we raise awareness to these types of 482 00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:57.960 business practices and how terrible they are. But I just can't help but feel 483 00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:02.240 terrible for the folks that are constantly being affected and folks that are losing their 484 00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:07.000 jobs, like you mentioned that one Hyena's developer getting the rug swept from underneath 485 00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:10.199 them. People will move across the country to different countries for some of these 486 00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:15.760 game development jobs, only to be laid off. And then there are just 487 00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:22.519 so many layoffs in this industry that the talent pool is swarmed and flooded with 488 00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:28.000 people looking and scraping to get additional jobs. And like, yeah, it's 489 00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:30.679 cool and like a big o' tour will spin off and make their own studio, 490 00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:36.000 but like sometimes those studios, those projects don't don't wind up making anything 491 00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:39.719 that like those game devs that joined or like took a chance to hop jump 492 00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:44.719 ship or take that opportunity, don't have a lot to show on their resume, 493 00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:47.280 and like, I just I hate it. I hate it. Yes, 494 00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:52.679 it's it's much rougher out there for real people than it is for these 495 00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:58.639 companies. And these companies continue to make big investments that uh, you know, 496 00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:01.519 they're big moves, big play and the hit rate. I mean going 497 00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:05.880 back to that email from from Phil Spencer where it's like the hit rate for 498 00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:08.639 all these companies is not that much higher than anyone else's hit rate, and 499 00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:12.559 everyone is making games these days, so it's like you're you're going to be 500 00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:15.599 in this situation where if your epic, you could be like, we have 501 00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:20.119 the Golden touch. We made Fortnite, so everything we do is going to 502 00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:22.880 is going to be a payoff, big investment. It's like not necessarily, 503 00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:27.159 let's see what happens. Like you're doing the Fortnite creator thing, right you 504 00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:30.239 want? You were making the next roadblocks. Of course it's going to succeed, 505 00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:31.400 right, of course it's going to make all this money. Well, 506 00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:35.639 here's more details from Jason Schryer. For a while now, we've been spending 507 00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:39.320 way more money than we earn. The Fortnite Creator profit margins are not as 508 00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:45.840 big as Fortnite's profit margins were. So it's the big new initiative Fortnite going 509 00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:49.880 to be the next roadblocks. The reality Fortnite isn't not the new roadblocks. 510 00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:54.039 It is just another thing that people saws curiosity. They're not spending more money 511 00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:58.800 on Fortnite because they're doing all these other things. It turns out that maybe 512 00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:01.199 people weren't coming to night to have all these other experiences. They were coming 513 00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:06.559 to Fortnite to play Fortnite. And getting them to change their behavior once again 514 00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:09.679 a very difficult thing to pull off. So eight hundred and seventy jobs eliminated, 515 00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:16.320 Epic is still hiring. They don't plan any more layoffs. That that 516 00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:22.719 second last bullet point is incredibly frustrating. Yeah, of you lay off eight 517 00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:28.639 hundred and seventy people, you will eliminate jobs you were still hiring. Yes, 518 00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:32.840 Like that is the most insulting thing, And like I felt like the 519 00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:39.559 Fortnight Creator initiative could have been something, if positioned properly, could and should 520 00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:43.679 have blown up. Like some of the examples that like I was seeing come 521 00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:47.320 out of that looked great turned the game, made it look like something completely 522 00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:52.199 different. I think it was just position and marketed very very poorly. Like 523 00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:57.679 it is so difficult to even figure out how to download those levels, or 524 00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:00.079 like, okay, do I get a seed, I follow a creator? 525 00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:05.599 What do I do here to even pursue that? Or like I don't know, 526 00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:08.880 you've already used it, exploited a bunch of streamers to make them play 527 00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:14.840 Fortnite all the time, make them make a level or whatever, monetize the 528 00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:20.119 teens, monetize these teens before we take a quick break. I just like 529 00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:22.599 we talked about hyenas, never explain what it is. In my mind, 530 00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:25.800 everybody knows how about hyenas because at the time, me and Mike heard the 531 00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:30.000 sound effect when they were teasing it, and we're like, that definitely echo 532 00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:31.519 the dolphin, and I slowed it down so it would sound like it was 533 00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:36.280 underwater, and I, hey, Jan worked myself into a shoot just a 534 00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:40.360 little bit. I remember walking the dog when you did this. And then 535 00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:45.599 I think Lucy was one of was the guests that day and she was very 536 00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:49.800 skeptical. Well, it turns out they were gonna making hyenas, not an 537 00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:52.000 echo of the dolphin, and now they're not even making hyenas. Maybe they 538 00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:55.400 should have made Echo the Dolphin all along. All right, hey grub Yeah, 539 00:37:55.880 --> 00:38:00.440 to save money for these companies, What if they lay off people at 540 00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:04.679 the top. What if they did a little satoro iwata and took a pecin 541 00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:07.519 Huh yeah, maybe that's But why is that the only time I've ever been 542 00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:09.559 able to use that as an example? Why is that the only time in 543 00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:15.800 history that's fucking ever happened? Is one person and good, good, sweet 544 00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:20.880 boy who I miss very much. What a good man watches the GDC speech 545 00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:24.079 like once every six months. It's a good guy, the Dusty Rhodes. 546 00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:30.599 Yes, one million percent. They put hard times on my boys Iwata. 547 00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:36.519 All right, everybody, you're right, it fucking works. It absolutely worked. 548 00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:38.320 All right. We're gonna take a quick break. When we get back, 549 00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:45.239 we're gonna talk about a completed edition of a game coming from Sony Netflix. 550 00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:46.280 I've got a bunch of animated shows. We'll get to all of that 551 00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:55.960 and more right after this. We're back. We're back, and we are 552 00:38:57.039 --> 00:39:01.119 talking about Horizon Forbidden West completed is going to be released next week. This 553 00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:06.840 is from Alberto Garrito at Game Reactor. Neither neither Sony nor Gorilla have confirmed 554 00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:09.480 anything about rumored full edition of Horizon Forbid in West that gets actually changed. 555 00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:13.639 They have now actually confirmed this, although there has been a number of rumors 556 00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:16.039 and hence in recent months pointing in that direction. The Complete Edition of Horizon 557 00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:20.000 Zero Done was a huge success and one of the biggest first party titles for 558 00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:22.840 the company in recent years, so it should come as no surprise that the 559 00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:27.039 full version of its sequel will arrive in plenty of time to appear on gift 560 00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:30.719 lists for this Christmas campaign, and it's coming quite soon, in fact, 561 00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:35.599 because Kamatsu has spotted a Japanese retailer's listing for Horizon Forbid and West Complete Edition 562 00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:38.199 with a release date of October sixth. Again, this stuff has all been 563 00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:43.239 confirmed after I put this stuff in the story here. The complete edition is 564 00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:46.199 going to have let's see Horizon Forbidden West for ps five, Burnon Short's dlc 565 00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:51.199 AT digital soundtrack, digital artbook, and Horizon Zero Down Volume one, the 566 00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:54.480 Sunhuk Digital comic book, and then there's a bunch of endgame items. This 567 00:39:55.039 --> 00:40:00.840 not too surprising. They're all in on Horizon for and West Horizon Zero, 568 00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:04.320 don all that stuff. This is probably gonna give this game another a second 569 00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:08.599 or third win or whatever at this point, right, Yeah, I I 570 00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:13.400 don't I don't want to punch down at this game. But like this game 571 00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:16.480 very much. Not for me. I've tried it. I've played a lot 572 00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:22.159 of it. I just can't get into it. But I'm happy that this 573 00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:28.039 apparently has a massive audience. These Horizon freaks are out there. They're they're 574 00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:31.920 out there, and they've been then. They've been bundling PlayStation fives with Horizon 575 00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:36.320 with one form or another for a very long time now. They'll probably start 576 00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:38.360 doing it with this complete edition after this holiday. I assume, maybe maybe 577 00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:42.159 not. I have no idea. I think the bundle this holiday is a 578 00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:45.000 sports game or something FIFA, I think, but maybe there's multiple bundles. 579 00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:49.400 But that's been driving the sales of these games of Horizon, and I think 580 00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:52.119 it's like for them, it's part of a long term investment strategy of Horizon's 581 00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:55.079 going to be up there with with God of War, and we're gonna have 582 00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:58.920 movies and TV shows and all these other things. Although that I'm gonna have 583 00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:00.800 been hearing problems about the TV show. And again, I'm bad at Hollywood 584 00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:04.159 stuff, so I don't know if that's true or not. But you know, 585 00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:06.280 you know that they want to make those investments and they want to have 586 00:41:06.280 --> 00:41:08.599 those synergies, and this is all part of that plan. Yeah. I 587 00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:14.559 think, not that it's a hard pill for me to swallow, but I 588 00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:19.559 think it's an interesting adjustment to make in my head at least, that Horizon 589 00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:23.440 has become one of their tent pole series is right, like where Horizon has 590 00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:30.480 taken more focus than some of the franchise franchises that I enjoy more like a 591 00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:35.800 Raget and Clank, perhaps even a Jack and Daxter and uh that will probably 592 00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:38.639 never see Kills one again. Huh yep, I am I probably not, 593 00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:45.119 Yeah, but it's it's interest so interesting to think that there are groups of 594 00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:49.599 younger gamers that have grown up with Horizon being one of their Like, this 595 00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:53.880 game looks great. Uh, it plays great. I like these dinosaur machine 596 00:41:53.920 --> 00:42:00.079 animals and I flok with them. Yes exactly. I think the game is 597 00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:04.280 kind of too big to fail, and not that it was ever at risk 598 00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:07.199 of failing. What I mean by that is just that it's been such a 599 00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:12.159 big investment on the getting it up and set up and making these games side 600 00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:15.360 of things. And while yes, it's it's sold pretty well and it's definitely 601 00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:20.519 been a pack end and that's that's helped It's it's overall like raw sales numbers, 602 00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:22.559 I think in terms of making a profit on the development, it's still 603 00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:27.239 like okay, but not great. But I think they think long term it 604 00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:30.159 will be great, and because every every new game will be a little bit 605 00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:31.559 easier, a little bit cost a little bit less money to make, and 606 00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:35.280 the sales could get bigger and bigger as they introduce more and more of an 607 00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:37.920 audience to it. And I think that's proven right so far. This is 608 00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:42.599 their Mario kard Eate Deluxe. Definitely, it definitely seems that way, which 609 00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:45.559 is a bit a bit strange, but I mean it's working for them, 610 00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:47.800 so I'm like, I don't want to like like, oh, you can't 611 00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:52.800 do that, you know. And I think everyone in games and media kind 612 00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:55.880 of laughed off the original Horizon because if I recall correctly, didn't it release 613 00:42:55.960 --> 00:43:00.079 around the same time as Breadth of the Wild. Yes, original Rising was 614 00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:06.119 Breath of the Wild. The newest one was Elden Ring Jesus, but you 615 00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:10.119 know, there are some folks that didn't have access to play Breath of the 616 00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:15.760 Wild and me or in Elden Rings case, didn't want to get into a 617 00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:20.239 Fromsoft game. So Horizon just struck that balance for them, and I'm sure 618 00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:25.199 that's why Horizon has been able to find success for so long. Okay, 619 00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:30.039 so just a quick more from Epic Let's get back to that real quick. 620 00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:35.119 Epic has put out a statement. I have taken this long statement from Tim 621 00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:38.199 Sweeney and I used AI to summarize it. I'm going to read that instead 622 00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:42.360 of this whole long thing. Epic Games is laying off sixteen percent of its 623 00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:46.039 employees, divesting band Camp, and spinning off most of Super Awesome. The 624 00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:51.599 layoffs are due to a combination of factors, including the company's investment in the 625 00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:57.000 metaverse and success of its creator ecosystem. Epic Games is providing severance packages and 626 00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:00.199 other benefits to affective employees. The company is confident that it can get you 627 00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:05.360 to focus on its ambitious plans despite the layoffs. Tim Sweeney was one of 628 00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:08.920 those big metaverse guys. Metaverse for people who were unaware a couple of years. 629 00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:12.679 If you weren't paid attention God bless you. I really am jealous of 630 00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:15.679 you. But for a couple of years there before AI did come along, 631 00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:21.880 it was the buzzwords were all Metaverse and NFTs and we know, listen, 632 00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:23.440 most of us knew back then both those things were a joke and we're never 633 00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:27.840 gonna work. But Tim Sweeney was like the one like, maybe Epic could 634 00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:31.360 make it work because Epic has Unreal and everything running on Unreal in this connected 635 00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:35.800 metaverse. I guess that could work there. Maybe we could be some compatibility 636 00:44:36.119 --> 00:44:38.440 between games at that point and you could buy a sword in one game and 637 00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:42.079 take it to some other game. But even then it's like, no, 638 00:44:42.280 --> 00:44:45.280 that's these companies are just not going to work together that way. But maybe 639 00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:50.000 it could happen with him Fortnite tim Sweeney. Epic definitely believed in that. 640 00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:52.679 They made those investments like we talked about, and the creative program in the 641 00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:55.000 Metaverse obviously not paying off, and they there was a lot of money to 642 00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:59.000 spend a lot of money for them to spend on that stuff to not really 643 00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:04.920 make much back seems like what what a what a what a goober? Yeah, 644 00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:07.519 I mean again, it's just these big initiatives, these big bets that. 645 00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:15.239 I think if he had like steely eyed realists around him, right, 646 00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:20.440 people who if he had steely Dan right now, listen, if he had 647 00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:22.159 steely Dan next to them, he would be getting made fun of constantly. 648 00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:27.320 Those guys would not lay off them. Thank you kiddo. Are you could 649 00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:31.719 gets turned on the volume will but thank you friend? But yeah, you're 650 00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:35.119 like, okay, Well, what other options they have? I don't know. 651 00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:38.760 I feel like there's probably some other options to make other games or but 652 00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:43.039 you know what they're they're good initiatives. Are probably hey, let's publish some 653 00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:45.840 remedy games. They're doing that. I think that's a good idea. Do 654 00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:47.760 more of that stuff, be more of a publisher, a traditional publisher. 655 00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:51.920 I bet you could turn that into something pretty big, especially if you're going 656 00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:54.639 to work with the super studios. They have known improving track records like Remedy. 657 00:45:57.119 --> 00:46:00.840 If you're a CEO, do not post memes? What about that? 658 00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:04.800 That's definitely a god that's really good advice. Jan I think Tim Sweeney would 659 00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:07.760 do well to listen to that. If anyone, if anyone wants to be 660 00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:09.920 a favor, can you guys get me the clip of Tim Sweeney climbing the 661 00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:14.639 tree outside of Epic Epics offices from like the early two thousands and just tag 662 00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:17.079 me and chat with that. That'd be super helpful. Uh. All right, 663 00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:21.519 let's see here. Netflix is expanding its animation lined up with tomb Raider, 664 00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:23.679 Devil May Cry, and more. Did you see any of these jam 665 00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:27.880 They look they look pretty good. I did not. I didn't. I 666 00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:30.320 didn't know they were doing a tomb Raider or yeah, tomb Rangers. See 667 00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:37.079 the legend of Laura Croft. It looks pretty good, Lara Laft, Laura. 668 00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:42.199 I don't so, Laura or Lara? What do you think? Okay, 669 00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:45.239 hold on, I'm just I gotta imagine Tam and Lucy first. Yeah, 670 00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:50.639 okay, go for it, Laura Croft. That's that. That sounded 671 00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:53.360 like Laura, which we definitely know it's not. I know, and I 672 00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:58.000 can feel them seething right now. They're mad at You're so mad at you? 673 00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:01.360 Or hang on, they see here? Okay, okay, so let's 674 00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:06.199 play this in the background. La will continue the news, just Tim saying 675 00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:10.000 climate a tree. Oh, Tim, oh, sweet boy? All right, 676 00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:14.519 Yeah, I think I like these Netflix shows in theory. Most of 677 00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:19.000 the time, I'm not seeking them out too much. I watched a little 678 00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:22.199 bit of Castlevania. I liked it. But video games continue to be pretty 679 00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:25.360 fertile ground for these these companies that are looking for content. Right, turns 680 00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:30.920 out this, I'm watching the trailer for this, uh, tomb Raider. 681 00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:35.039 I didn't want to say, Laura again, this looks great, This looks 682 00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:37.559 good. I think it looks pretty good. Yeah. Actually, you let's 683 00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:38.559 see. I think I have it somewhere here some of these, some people 684 00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:44.800 can actually see the stuff there we're talking about. I think that I will 685 00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:47.679 of these because they have it's It's Devil May Cries coming twenty twenty four. 686 00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:52.960 Lara Croft is coming in twenty twenty four. Captain Laser Rock a Blood Dragon 687 00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:54.760 remix, which is based on that that. Yeah, they talked about that 688 00:47:54.840 --> 00:48:00.599 for with Addie Shankar. That's coming in October nineteenth, and then Sky Program 689 00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:04.159 takes off. It's coming to November seventeenth, and that has the entire that 690 00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:07.119 has the entire cast. Right, how what's your opinion on Scott Pilgrim. 691 00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:12.960 Oh, CoP's this's gonna be bad for me? Oh oh, it's gonna 692 00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:16.239 be bad. Okay, Well, I love Scotti. Okay, I'm excited 693 00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:21.079 to hear that for you. I love Scott Pilgrim. I fully acknowledge though 694 00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:23.800 that Scott Pilgrim dating a seventeen year old is incredibly problematic. Oh sure, 695 00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:28.079 yeah, yeah, we have to say that, and that part is stupid. 696 00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:32.320 Yeah, not a good thing, but man, man, yeah, 697 00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:37.079 yeah, I love Scott Pilgrim. Edgar Wright is you know up there for 698 00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:42.360 me? Uh yeah, but I know that they do portray him as a 699 00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:45.400 ship head because he is a ship head. He's not he's he's a dip 700 00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:47.880 shit. But it's and then making your protagonist a dip shit doesn't mean it's 701 00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:52.639 not a protagonist. That was always the thing with like Breaking Bad, where 702 00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:55.400 they're like, oh, he's the villain and they're making Skoyler have to be 703 00:48:55.440 --> 00:48:58.800 the hero. It's like, no, that's not what they're doing. She's 704 00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:05.079 coated as as the even like and that you just don't understand media. It's 705 00:49:05.119 --> 00:49:07.159 like, yeah, if he if Scott Pilgrim's still like the hero of the 706 00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:09.920 story, you kind of have to keep that stuff in context a little bit. 707 00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:15.079 And folks, I fully realize and know that they're clowning on Scott the 708 00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:19.039 whole time. Sure, there are just some portions of the audience there that 709 00:49:19.159 --> 00:49:24.320 did not recognize that part of the story. Absolutely. Uh, all right, 710 00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:29.079 let's hit these other stories relatively quickly. Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven sequel is 711 00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:32.480 now the focus after two point zero update and A and Phantom Liberties launch from 712 00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:37.840 Evan Campbell game spot. Basically, Jan this is the big DLC pack for 713 00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:42.559 Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven. They're not gonna like do another DLC pack. They're 714 00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:45.559 gonna go start working on Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven two, which seems completely fair. 715 00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:49.559 Have you started playing that yet? Oh? Yeah, how are you 716 00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:53.079 feeling about it? I'm kind of glad that I waited this long, sure, 717 00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:59.719 and but I do I don't enjoy that there's still more and more games 718 00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:05.360 coming out, because I could easily see myself just losing days. Even the 719 00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:08.400 world of Cyberpunk. When when Danet said on the Bomb cast, I think 720 00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:13.039 where he doesn't really fast travel around, he just walks or drives around. 721 00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:15.079 I kind of took that approach, and it's just like, bod, this 722 00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:21.280 is a living, breathing world. I wish Starfield was like, It's yeah, 723 00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:24.079 that's what I'm that's The biggest disappointment about Starfield is that you just kind 724 00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:30.199 of can't get lost wandering around like you can in Skyrim and definitely in Cyberpunk. 725 00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:36.960 I think that I'm definitely more excited about a Cyberpunk sequel than I am 726 00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:39.320 even for playing Phantom Liberty. But I think something I'm enjoying. But it's 727 00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:44.519 like they definitely had ambitions beyond what they've even accomplished here with this you know, 728 00:50:44.599 --> 00:50:46.679 fixed version of the game. Uh, And I want them to kind 729 00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:50.280 of get back to that and and make that happen. Did you see that 730 00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:54.159 the trailer with Idris Elba uh where he's like talking to the camera and the 731 00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:58.159 last line is and he's like, you know, it's it's in context. 732 00:50:58.480 --> 00:51:01.079 He's like, oh, the it's unfair, but he says the game is 733 00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:05.320 fixed, like that's the line. And it's like, oh my god, 734 00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:09.760 I can't they fucking said that this trailer. That's incredible. People just let 735 00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:15.239 you just Elba do whatever. But maybe they shouldn't. Yeah, he seems 736 00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:17.400 like he needs to be reined in a little bit. Yes, he's too 737 00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:22.679 powerful and he's taking the reins himself and it's getting out there all right, 738 00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:27.920 EPIC files US Supreme Court appeal in Apple anti trust case from Jordan Fragan over 739 00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:34.679 at games Beat. Epics filed a writ of I don't know this Latin siratoria 740 00:51:34.760 --> 00:51:38.480 serratori ari, asking for the US Supreme Court to review a lower courts ruling 741 00:51:38.599 --> 00:51:43.360 on its anti trust case against the Apple. The petition is asking, I 742 00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:45.440 just thought about the Roman Empire, because that's of course, that's where that 743 00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:47.920 comes from. The petition is asking the Supreme Court to rule on the broader 744 00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:52.119 anti trust questions as governed by the Sherman Act. EPIC argues that restraints on 745 00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:58.159 business that of both pro and anti competitive effects is unlawful if a less restrictive 746 00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:02.320 alternative will achieve the same benefits while harming competition less the Fortnite publisher and Unreal 747 00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:06.920 engine makers asking the court to determine if a if it or exsume me. 748 00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:09.679 If a less restrictive alternative must be free from the cost to Apple and too, 749 00:52:09.840 --> 00:52:14.480 if a less restrictive alternative doesn't exist, if the restraint invalid, if 750 00:52:14.519 --> 00:52:19.119 the if the restraint is invalid, if the harmed competition substantially outweighs the restraints. 751 00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:24.760 Pro competitive justification it's basically Epics continue to be pretty unhappy with its relationship 752 00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:29.599 with getting games onto iPhones and iOS without having to or with having to go 753 00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:32.079 through the Apple App Store, and they're trying to continue to push against that. 754 00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:36.719 And yeah, we'll see if they make any headway there. Uh, 755 00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:40.880 let's see finally after Oh, go ahead, please, some CEOs remind me 756 00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:47.400 and their business acumen reminds me of, you know, the stories of folks 757 00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:52.960 that win the lottery and immediately go bankrupt in a couple of years because they 758 00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:55.280 don't know what the fuck to do with the money. It definitely has those 759 00:52:55.320 --> 00:52:59.559 vibes. I just wanted, I just wanted to get that out of mine, 760 00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:05.199 getting the energy from everything happening over there. One u F zero ninety 761 00:53:05.239 --> 00:53:07.079 nine is added five tracks on Friday. Maybe we'll do another. We'll do 762 00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:15.679 an F zero three hero and make that happen drift, Yes exactly. Oh 763 00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:17.519 man, I'm very excited. Let's let's see if they have some Yeah, 764 00:53:17.559 --> 00:53:21.760 Okay, Mute City two, Porttown one, white Land two, and Death 765 00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:27.480 Win two are all being added. Sou and Red Canyon one. So that's 766 00:53:27.480 --> 00:53:30.400 pretty cool. And that's from the Queen League from F zero the original of 767 00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:35.639 zero. Okay, that's very cool. Uh finally Brazilian, this is a 768 00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:38.400 like an update. Brazilian rating board made a mistake. Red Dead Redeption two 769 00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:43.960 isn't switch bound. This is from my Nittendo news and this is what we 770 00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:46.079 said, right, We're like, what's the simplest thing here. Someone just 771 00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:51.039 clicked the wrong thing on a CMS, the head switch for red Dead Redemption 772 00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:52.519 two and it was a mistake. Turns out it was. It was a 773 00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:55.000 mistake. It was never meant to happen. They've updated the site. I 774 00:53:55.079 --> 00:54:00.239 think it no longer mentions for coming to switch, which kind of fucking duh. 775 00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:04.440 Right, there's no way that was ever going to happen. I was 776 00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:09.199 morbidly curious, thought like, maybe this is how I how I finally read 777 00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:14.079 Dead Redemption too. Yeah, I played a lot of that game, but 778 00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:16.039 I'm really going to play it if it ever comes to the switch and the 779 00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:20.719 only original switch. I don't want to know this next gen switch nonsense. 780 00:54:21.320 --> 00:54:25.599 Give it to me on that real crucial switch hardware. All right, let's 781 00:54:25.639 --> 00:54:29.960 see here, I got I got a pull from yesterday. I'm iven get 782 00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:35.360 this framed up props. Here we go. Are what comes out first. 783 00:54:35.679 --> 00:54:38.159 That's so it's mean if we're gonna update this because this is from yesterday and 784 00:54:38.199 --> 00:54:40.920 it just doesn't have enough votes yet. There we go. Are you playing 785 00:54:40.920 --> 00:54:45.800 pay Day three or are you waiting until it gets some more updates? Seventy 786 00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:47.679 seven percent say I have no interest in pay Day three. Of those that 787 00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:52.360 do, though, sixteen percent say no that they aren't going to wait for 788 00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:54.400 more updates or that they aren't playing excuse me, and seven percent says yes 789 00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:59.960 they are going to wait for more updates or that they are playing. Excuse 790 00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:02.320 I messed that up. Seven percent say they are playing, sixteen percent say 791 00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:06.800 they aren't playing. That's, you know, so about twice as many aren't 792 00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:09.679 playing that that are at least interested in the game. And that makes sense 793 00:55:09.679 --> 00:55:13.280 because it seems like it's a real mess right now trying to get in there, 794 00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:15.440 even if you're a Payday fan, I guess not even like I guess 795 00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:19.519 it makes sense because if you're a Payday fan, you're probably still playing pay 796 00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:22.039 Day two and having a fine time with that two hundred and forty updates for 797 00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:24.239 that game. You might as well just stick with that for a while and 798 00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:28.280 then shift over to pay Day three, slowly as after the studio gets into 799 00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:32.159 a good position. We are a little freaky play crime Boss Rocket City. 800 00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:36.320 Play a little crime Boss rock Kae City. See what kem basing your due 801 00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:39.840 that? See what Michael Madson do? We were going to play this on 802 00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:43.559 Friday pay Day three. Jam prying, I'm pry, not gonna be playing 803 00:55:43.559 --> 00:55:47.599 it. Seems like cross servers are very unreliable. Huh Yeah, maybe we 804 00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:52.360 should play a new game that just came out. Yeah, maybe we'll do 805 00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:55.599 that instead. That's True Strike two counter Strike to the newest of video games, 806 00:55:57.440 --> 00:56:00.079 Hyeah Party animals too. That's what we're really looking for. We got 807 00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:02.199 a new poll question. We'll get to that in a second. In the 808 00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:06.000 meantime, now though, jan what do we have happening on the website? 809 00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:08.800 Where can people find all you and all that goodness? Yesterday on the website, 810 00:56:08.800 --> 00:56:13.639 we have the debut of another new season of Blake Club Major Mitch, 811 00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:19.960 Everyone, salute, Salute your major. Where Mike is at Salute Jim Ryan 812 00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:24.800 as well. Mike started to play his Blake Club game, which is Mortal 813 00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:30.000 Kombat Special Forces. A lot of fun in the beginning of that video, 814 00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:35.119 A lot of a lot of goofs. Shouts out to Mitch honestly for being 815 00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:37.400 such a good sport good sport. Yes, absolutely, rolling with the punches 816 00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:42.320 and getting through that game, doing a good job with it. He's he 817 00:56:42.440 --> 00:56:46.280 was born to be a Special Forces operator. I think some would say what 818 00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:54.880 a trooper. Trooper. Later today, I believe we're going to record a 819 00:56:54.920 --> 00:57:00.159 couple of quick looks in the back and then we will have voicemail dumb Truck 820 00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:04.800 popping off. Later today another episode of Game Miss Mornings to end the week, 821 00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:08.000 as well as upf what we're playing still up in the air. Maybe 822 00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:12.360 we'll do Counterstrike too. Yeah, yeah, maybe we'll see it's again. 823 00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:15.559 It's gonna be kind of a game time decision a little bit. But also 824 00:57:15.039 --> 00:57:20.199 I this got tweeted out. But now if you call the voicemail dumb truck 825 00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:22.280 seven or seven exit flu, it goes straight to voicemail and no need to 826 00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:25.800 wait for a couple of rings. Thankfully, that's a setting you can put 827 00:57:25.880 --> 00:57:32.320 in Google Voice. And also turns out Google Voice had enabled routing over to 828 00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:38.280 my phone number. Oh that explains why I was getting so many random calls. 829 00:57:38.320 --> 00:57:43.320 It's from numbers I didn't know. Incredible that's I have that set up 830 00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:45.800 for my work number, which I had on Google, which I got on 831 00:57:45.880 --> 00:57:49.760 Google Voice forever ago, which has my name in it. So if you 832 00:57:49.760 --> 00:57:52.800 ever want to prank call me, just try every possible variation of Jeff grabbing 833 00:57:52.840 --> 00:57:57.039 a phone number with a different area code. But but yeah, it's that. 834 00:57:57.119 --> 00:57:59.679 That's I can imagine if you had that, you probably were getting a 835 00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:02.039 lot of calls. Jan, A lot of people call that number. Yeah. 836 00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:05.599 Yeah, I was very confused and I was like, what service did 837 00:58:05.639 --> 00:58:07.440 I sign up for? Where did I put my number? That now I'm 838 00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:14.440 getting inundated with phone calls? Yeah, thankfully throwing that off. And also 839 00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:17.559 on the Giant Bomb YouTube right now, I think, look at look at 840 00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:22.000 this said Bezos phone check. Yeah, I got my Amazon phone. I'll 841 00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:23.960 see if I can get it charged up and check on it in a second 842 00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:29.400 and see if it's still works. On the Giant Bomb YouTube channel, I 843 00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:34.119 think we have my my greatest work ever, which is an hour of silence 844 00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:39.360 occasionally interrupted by Immortal Kombat. Yell, I'm very excited about I have that 845 00:58:39.440 --> 00:58:44.519 tabot but all the time now it's very good. Definitely your best work, 846 00:58:44.599 --> 00:58:50.000 Jan, thank you so much. Also, I'm crossing my fing fingies that 847 00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:55.440 the train travelogue will finally go up tomorrow. Parsing through a lot of footage 848 00:58:55.519 --> 00:59:00.320 and then trying to recover footage from my camera to no avail. But we 849 00:59:00.440 --> 00:59:02.960 got some good stuff, got some vibes. Stuff happening. Vibes are happening. 850 00:59:04.119 --> 00:59:07.880 Look out for all that. All right, let's see here the pull 851 00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:12.480 question for Friday, for Dregs Day with Tam, we're gonna talk about this 852 00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:15.400 grade. Jim Ryan's run is the head of PlayStation. You can vote A, 853 00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:19.880 B, C, D R F. Very curious see what people come 854 00:59:19.920 --> 00:59:22.719 at come at this. If you have like some thoughts about it too, 855 00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:24.199 put in the comments. Maybe we'll read some of those. Yeah, write 856 00:59:24.199 --> 00:59:27.639 a love letter to Jim Ryan. I'll read that. Maybe I won't read 857 00:59:27.639 --> 00:59:29.440 it on here, but I'll read it and keep it in my heart. 858 00:59:29.519 --> 00:59:31.639 As always, Cocoon reviews are up. We'll probably do something with the cocoon. 859 00:59:31.719 --> 00:59:37.960 Everybody look out for that. That'll okay, Let's see you, Jim, 860 00:59:37.159 --> 00:59:40.599 thank you so much for talking with me today about about the tragic loss 861 00:59:40.599 --> 00:59:45.360 of Jim Ryan. We'll never forget. We'll never forget Jim. Never go 862 00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:49.280 by a forty after this, By and bye, mister PlayStation guy, and 863 00:59:49.400 --> 00:59:52.679 thank you all for watching. You're the best audience in gaming and you're gonna 864 00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:54.679 make it possible for me to get through this very tough day. Until next 865 00:59:54.719 --> 00:59:59.440 time, have a good one, take care of yourself, and goodbye. 866 01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:01.199 Mean why you number one one