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It's been great, Great to be here with you. David, Yes,
it's great to be with you. I guess the big story this week was
Donald Trump releasing a statement on the sort of clarifying I guess, maybe not
clarifying, but laying out what he believed, you know, his abortion policy
or his views on abortion, you know, in relation to Dobbs and law,
and basically it's that the states should make their own decisions. He did
not endorse, though, I don't believe. He said he would never support
a national band, but he would endorse a national ban on abortion. I'm
even falling for it, a national limitation on abortion. There are no bans
on abortion. Really, what do you make of it? Let's talk about
it. Yeah, So, I think, first of all, first off,
the context is important. So Democrats are running a campaign basically about two
things, one imprisoning and bankrupting their political opponents. That's kind of that's not
what they're campaigning on, but that's their campaign strategy. And then the issue
that they're running on is abortion. And they are not running on their record
being in control of the country, or their policies or what their vision is.
It's all just imprisoning and bankrupting political opponents through Law Fair and abortion and
the corporate media are all on board with this. They're generally pretty supportive of
the Law Fair despite its you know how bad it is for the country,
for the Republic, and of course they have a long history of being rapidly
pro abortion, and so in this and then also in this context, we've
had a few years since the Dobbs ruling which overturned Roe v. Wade,
thereby enabling states to pass their own abortion laws. You've had a lot of
funding and energy from Democrats and other people who are pro abortion to make those
laws as pro abortion as possible. And so Donald Trump comes out with a
statement and he says that he's very proud of what he did with the Supreme
Court, and what you know that that court was what enabled Roe v.
Wade, which is widely considered one of the worst well by lawyers. It's
widely considered one of the worst Supreme Court decisions in history. Of course,
very much supported by people who are pro abortion, and he says, you
know, it should be handled by the States. And then also he supports
iv in be true fertilization, which is a pretty fraught topic that has also
become a bit of a political wedge issue used by Democrats because of a case
down in Alabama that was about whether parents of such embryos have any rights when
it comes to destruction of such embryos. Sorry, that was a big sum
up, but there were no no that was That was good. I'm usually
a reductionist and people don't understand what I'm talking about half the time. That's
all right, that's correct. There's there are a lot of facets to this,
I think. So one thing I wanted to mention was that immediately,
just all over the media, story after story focused on how Donald Trump keeps
changing his position on abortion. So there was a slew of them. I
had them in front of me before. But like a timeline of Trump's many
many position on abortion. NBC News, Trump's confusing shifting abortion abortion stance,
explain Time magazine thirteen times. Trump's abortion position shifted over the past twenty five
years. Okay, I think that Donald Trump has shifted his position. I
think it's fair to say that he's not a naturally socially conservative person, and
his views have shifted. I don't know what he really believes. I don't
really even care. I care what he does. But no one in American
presidential history has ever shifted their position more radically than Joe Biden has shifted his
position on abortion. Yet that goes completely unmentioned. Even into the twenty twenty
election, he was still a supporter of the High Amendment, and podcast bros
got mad on Twitter and mocked him, and in two days he's completely switched
his position, and now he is endorsed by Nairaw and like the most Well,
I mean, let's let's go back. I mean, he used to
be a strong supporter of unborn children and their mothers's. He supported this digressional
amendment that would have overturned Roe v. Wade and given the right to make
this decision back to the States. Okay, so listen, you can point
out that that Donald Trump has changed his position. I mean, that's like
also not breaking news. Donald Trump was pro abortion and became pro life,
and yet, like you say, I don't know. You know, he
has a story about how that happened that related to friends of his, but
it was not it was not breaking news, you know, even six years
ago to focus on how he changed his position. Also, it's kind of
common for people who aren't thinking deeply about the topic to be pro abortion and
then once they actually think about it, they become pro life. That happens
all the time, So it's not really super newsworthy on that front either.
I've written about that extensively for myself. Right, So, the idea that
he's changed his position, because I mean, they don't like make the case
he's changed his position. Actually didn't like his statement, and I hope we'd
get a chance to talk about this really quickly. But that's different than saying
he changed his position. There is there are quite a few pro lifers who
actually share his view that it should be handled only at the state level.
I'm not one of them. I think that the nation and the states and
localities, like whatever form of governments out there, I'm all for them protecting
unborn children and their mothers from violence in the womb. But there are a
lot of people who think it should just be handled at the state level.
That's not like a total contradiction. Also, that doesn't yet, like you
say, his statement didn't say there's nothing that can be done at the federal
level, And when he was operating at the federal level, he was pretty
good on the issue. Right, Well, let's talk about that in a
second. I just want to the reason I'm pointing out the media coverage is
because I think that most people don't understand the radicalism of Biden's position, which
is, you know, abortion on demand whenever you want it, funded by
the government with no limitations, and Donald Trump's position, which is pretty moderate.
I mean, I think he supported even the national ban that was brought
forward by Republicans. I think was was it like a twenty week ban or
something. I mean, it wasn't it hewed exactly to what the mainstream of
Americans believe is a legitimate cutoff for abortion. Yeah, Like a few weeks
ago, France codified a right to kill your unborn child in the first trimester
into their constitution or something, and everyone was making a big deal about it
without noting that it banned abortion or regulated abortion. After fourteen weeks or something
like that. So the way corporate media talk about this completely confuses people about
what the moderate position is, Like, I believe all children should be protected.
I admit that I'm way out there on this, Like I understand that
prudentially and pragmatically you might not be able to protect all children at all times.
But I want to live in a world that cares about children and their
mothers and family formation and all that. But it is a very common majority
position to support both some some abortion and also to support some regulation of abortion.
That's the marier position, right. So just one last thing I wanted
to point out on the media coverage was here is the headline of the New
York Times today on abortion, Trump chooses politics over principles. So I looked
up what they said about Joe Biden when he changed his position in a single
day on the High Amendment, and they said that Biden had been grappling for
decades with his views on abortion. So you see, one person is cynical
and you know, just doesn't have principles, and Joe Biden was grappling with
these things. That's why he's always changing it to comport with exactly where the
Democratic Party is all the time. But here's another thing. Moderating your position
on abortion during the general election is not some kind of crazy radical thing.
Virtually every presidential candidate it always does it. You know, almost every presidential
candidate has changed their views on abortion, from Mitt Romney, you know,
to Al Gore to many others. So it's not this radical thing anyway.
I just wanted to point out, like they always make the most normal thing
Trump does seem like it's this crazy, fringe, weird principliss I do think
it also indicates that they understand that there was something savvy about what he was
doing. Like you've got a completely corrupt propaganda press that presents like wanton killing
of children at any stage, even after birth, to be like a totally
normal thing. And so how do you operate in a propaganda environment like that
and with a Democrat party that supports no protections for unborn children, literally none,
Like it's it's a he'll get you kicked out of the party. Well
you do something like like what Trump did thereby showing Democrats as being really radical
on this. Yeah. Wow. I think the subtext of these articles is
this is a moderate position, but he doesn't really believe it. He's going
to give in to the radicals in the party once he's elected. You know
what I'm saying, Because he's so malleable on this, don't you think?
Yeah, I actually know. I think they're just scared. I think they
understand that he kind of called their bluff on this, and that they can
imagine. Like think about twenty sixteen the debate with Hillary Clinton where Donald Trump
said that Hillary Clinton supports abortion through all nine months of pregnancy and she couldn't
deny it. She literally she like freaked out and couldn't respond. They know
that someone who kind of knows how to talk about it and how to call
their bluff is a threat to them. It's really weird. As you note,
I don't think Donald Trump is some big pro lifer, but it's kind
of weird that he's handled it better not just in terms of policy wins,
but also rhetorical wins than people who present themselves as super pro life. Having
said that, I just want to talk for a minute about the actual substance.
I hate when people, you know, only think about the politics of
it. So I personally think that pro lifers should lean into protection of children
and mothers and lean into being in a society that is not so blood thirsty
as an abortion society, and that we should totally be, you know,
out and proud about our belief that children, unborn children are worthy of protection
and that of our society should protect them. And so a statement like this,
while I understand what he's doing, I don't love, you know,
I don't love the lack of clarity about the overarching topic. You know,
it's an opportunity to talk about the evil of abortion and what it does to
women and children, and I didn't see that totally there in the statement.
And then I also th that's very confused on IBF, which involves a lot
of destruction of human life, is a procedure that's also very difficult on women
and is a reflection of a series of policy and cultural failures that lead women
to forestall having children when their bodies are most capable of it, and then
like rush in their forties to have the children that they that they want.
So, you know, I just didn't think it was like it just as
a pro lifer, it was not a statement that thrilled me. I understand
it politically why it was done, and I don't have like, like I
said, I know a lot of pro lifers who think that abortion laws should
be handled only at the state level. But it just was not you know,
it's not something that excites pro lifers. I get that. I think
I think he was just trying to diffuse the issue more than actually take any
kind of hard stance on it. I am a person I believe that I
haven't fully made up my mind, but I do believe this is a state
rights issue. Though if no one ever mentions that Democrats have no problem having
national bands that they're trying to pass, So if they are trying to do
that, what are Republican's supposed to do? They have to fight back on
a national level as well. So it's very It's a difficult position for someone
who's a constitutionalist and believes that it's a state's issue, you know, when
the other side is not playing by the same rules, as happens often,
I'm going to say something crazy for a pundit right now, But with the
IVF issue, I don't really know exactly yet where what I feel. You
know, it's it's something I struggle with a bit so that, you know,
and I just don't believe like a ton of voters are basing their decision
on this vote on IVF. I think most pro lifers are going to vote
for Trump. Abortionists will vote for Biden, and he is sort of diffusing
the issue among independents with moderates who might be persuaded by some of the more
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is when I really started looking into assisted reproductive technologies and it really is something
worth thinking through. I feel like our technology has advanced beyond our understanding of
the effects on children. Basically, assisted reproductive technology is sort of by definition
done for parents or for adults, without a lot of thought about how it
affects unborn or how it affects the child, not just in terms of how
many of the unborn children die or are left to die, but also in
terms of the rare success affiliated with assisted reproductive technology. Like one of the
first lectures I went to on this dealt with children who had been conceived I
don't know how if that's even the right word, but had been the result
of assisted reproductive technology, and well, you know, there are all sorts
of psychological issues in play that I had never really thought about. From how
when you are not created just as the natural result of a man and a
woman having sex, but when your parents like put a lot of money and
effort, or a mother puts a lot of money and effort into our father,
you know, into creating you, how that makes you feel more like
a product rather than a like a natural result, And how it means that
you your whole life is supposed to be about making your parents happy. You
know. So there are these like interesting things. I don't think we think
about the result from some of these things, or like how I remember like
this one girl was saying that because her biological father was a sperm donor who
had donated literally like I don't know if it was hundreds or thousands of his
sperm had resulted in many children, and how that made her nervous when she
was dating that she was dating a sibling, you know, and not knowing
about it just kind of created some against psychological issues that she would have rather
not had, which you know, certainly can happen at a very low level,
you like your dad was getting around or something, but not you know,
it's not something that's natural for people to worry about in most circumstances.
Yeah, I mean, obviously there are moral dimensions to this, but there's
also legal ones, and I just you know, I worry about the state's
overstepping it's bounds sometimes. You know. It's just it's a complicated issue.
I'm not even going to pretend I have any kind of definitive a position on
it, because I no, I agree with your point that, like the
vast majority of people probably are not voting on it, haven't thought about it,
and if they are, they're probably like children are great, which is
sort of how Trump' said children are great. Who doesn't like children? I
bem therefore is great. Well, intentionally denying a child their mother or father,
you know, which happens a lot with these assisted reproductive technologies, is
an issue, and so you would like a bold, clear thinking voice.
Not that I expect it from any Republican or anybody. Well, let's talk
about that for a minute. Yeah, I mean, IVF is a difficult,
difficult position for social conservatives because most people don't understand it, and they're
probably reflexively for it. Abortion is a more complicated issue, And yet I
think that it's much more more morally clear to make the argument, and yet
Republicans are awful at doing it, and they I think we've spoken about this
before. I think you agree with me that most of them probably didn't want
row overturned because they like to sort of lean in on it knowing that they
never had to do anything about it or take responsibility for a pro life position.
And now they're just so bad at it. Do you see any hope
in that way? I mean, you know, my view is that they're
losing the issue a because they don't fight back and explain that the media is
lying about where they are and where the Democrats are, and they still don't
do it. Even Trump sort of did it, but he doesn't really lean
into it that much, and normally Republicans don't even want to talk about it.
So how can they win this issue if they're not even willing to fight
on it. I'm talking about Republicans on a national level. So I was
even wondering about whether this statement, this very moderate statement from Trump, whether
that would make the pro life movement just start to take more responsibility for advancing
the issue themselves in a better way. Clearly, Oh my goodness, people
are awful at talking about, you eve, an issue of violent destruction of
life, and Republicans are scared to talk about it, even with poles showing
broad approval for protection for at least some unborn children. And they are cowards,
they are weak, They are impotent on every issue, but this one's
sort of like particularly embarrassing because it involves people who can't or humans who can't
advocate for themselves, and so it's just like even worse than how bad they
are on every other issue. But it is an existential issue for the pro
life movement obviously that they get politicians who who can speak about it well.
I do think once you start seeing a few people doing it, well,
you'll see more people just copy and emulate it. I mean, here's the
thing. I do think it was a difficult when when Democrats actually sort of
embraced I guess in the nineties safe legal and rare like that was a very
politically speaking, a very smart formulation of their argument saying that this is,
you know, something that we don't love, but that we got to keep
it safe, et cetera, et cetera. But now they're like the ballist
position, you know, always whenever you want, doesn't matter, it's good.
They celebrate it, and Republicans are still unable to make any kind of
headway or good arguments about it when most people probably are closer to their position.
Talking about mainstream Republicans, I mean, Lindsey Graham's bill was I believe
again I could be wrong, but a twenty week limitation, which is completely
in line with most Americans. Yeah, the big problem with it was it
was like it was not good enough, not that it was like two fears.
Yeah, these problems with how Republicans talk about abortion remind me a lot
of the problems with how Republicans talk and vote on other issues. Right now
in Congress, there are two issues that are just kind of like somewhat shocking
to see. Republicans have a very small majority in the House in a town
run by at best the Democrat Party and at worst the Uniparty, and they
are about to vote for increased funding for Ukraine after telling voters that they would
never do that unless they secured the border, and they're just getting completely run
over on that. And then also the deep state would like to extend some
FIZA authorities to spy on Americans after doing all the horrible things they did against
Republicans up to and including the President of the United States, and Republicans are
too impotent to stop that. They're really making the case that they do not
deserve to be in power. I understand that they do not have much of
a majority and that that's very difficult, but they're not even really trying to
fight on behalf of their voters. Yeah, I mean, I have ideological
problems with PISA, even beyond the abuses that people you know that that happened
that people predicted would happen. Obviously they happen. The whole the whole Russia
collusion thing was basically anchored to abuses of PISA in away, and Republicans don't
seem to care. I mean, they're going to reauthorize it, right,
and they don't even I don't even know other than a few sort of libertarian
types if anyone's actually making any arguments against it. There's like a thing about
this where you see Mike Johnson, who's like an incredibly weak person that he'll
go into a skiff and get briefed by the deep state on something and then
he comes out and he's like, I've changed my mind, bleeping bleep if
at this stage in this year twenty twenty four, you were being duped by
these people, there's like that's like an intelligence issue, like an IQ issue.
But I don't even know how to deal with Like these people aren't just
weak, they're idiots. I think he's weak. I mean, I just
think he gets overwhelmed by Senate Republicans, by Democrats, by the President,
by the White House administration pretty easily. Now. Whether you agree with what
he's doing or not, it's clear that he is not cut out for that
position and that whole I just don't We're not going to talk about this,
but I don't understand the whole, you know, getting rid of McCarthy thing.
I just don't think it worked out. I don't think we're in better
But do you think Republicans are a better place now? And it was all
just I never made for it. Yeah, it's just I'm not saying I
think McCarthy was like the Bee's knees or anything. But this is one thing
where Trump kind of changed my I think I might have mentioned this before,
like you changed my view on leadership, which is sometimes it's good to have
a squish who needs your support than someone who's with you ideologically who can take
you for granted. And the difference between Kevin McCarthy and Mike Johnson on that
score kind of proves that point. You mentioned Ukraine, what so you know?
I mean, so you're saying that they abandoned the border, which they
did, and now they're going to go and I think they're going to have
a standalone on Ukrainian funding. Is that is Raeli funding as well? On
the Ukrainian funding, we don't even know. We don't even know, we
don't even know. And listen, I am for Israeli funding. I am
skeptical on Ukrainian funding, especially without any sort of idea of where that's going.
I know exactly where Israeli funding's going. It's going to eliminate Hamas,
That's where it's going. What you know, Ukrainian funding is a forever I
just saw a piece today. I just saw a story today that Russian Russian
banks have like historically high profits over the last two years, so they are
going to be well funded, and Russians are in it for a long time,
and they're just going there's going to be a war of attrition going on
and on and on, and we're just going to be funding Ukraine forever.
I think it's a dangerous, laundrous game we're playing there. More money will
not solve the problem with the Ukraine Russia conflict. It just won't. The
people who designed the Afghanistan War and the Afghanistan occupation of multiple decades and the
Iraq war are behind this proxy war with Russia. And just like with those
other things, they sort of say, give us more time, give us
more money, to the tune of trillions of dollars, and we will win
this thing. They never explained how, they never even pretend to have a
plan for how, and more money, more money, to a neocon does
not solve anything. They have proven themselves incapable and unwilling to do anything other
than perpetuate conflict. They don't know how to end conflict. They don't know
how to win a conflict. They only know how to use conflicts to funnel
money to them and their interest groups. And like, at the other end
of that is a lot of dead Ukrainians. And I mean nobody likes that
Russia has invaded Ukraine. It's also like nobody's provided a solution other than we're
going to fight to the last dead Ukrainian. Why doesn't Joe Biden tell the
Ukrainians that they must have a ceasefire and give into their enemies or they will
not receive another penny, because that's exactly what he did last week to the
israelis right, right, and like you take the two conflicts right where.
I mean, they're both an absolute mess. But Israel's like got a clear
idea about how to win and a clear end goal. You can agree or
disagree with that. And they're like, you have to do a ceasefire.
Now. Ukraine has no plan really and also has spent a lot of money,
and there are a lot of dead people and a lot of destroyed buildings
and a lot of just destry auction. And they're like, nobody is pressuring.
Nobody is pressuring a diplomatic solution there, Ukraine and Russia. That's a
situation where diplomatic solution makes a lot of sense, and in fact made a
lot of sense for a really long time. The Israel Hamas thing. The
pressure is on Israel, not on Hamas. I think like if people were
pressuring Hamas and saying we want all you know, is it eight Americans that
they still have I believe, so I'm not sure, but yeah, okay,
we want them all back, we want them in better condition than you
took them. And once you provide all of that, you know, immediately,
then we can talk about stopping the destruction. Nobody's doing that kind of
pressure. I saw a piece today in Israel that I don't know if it's
been widely reported, is that Hama. First of all, Hamas keeps saying
no to cease fires, so there is no diplomatic endgame there. Secondly,
there sees fires mean nothing because they're terrorists and they ignore them. There's a
ceasefire on the seventh. Also, I saw a piece where Hamas says they
do not most of the hostages are not alive anymore. They can't give them
back because they're dead. And I'm just telling you, no Israeli government will
survive that does not go in and eliminate Hamas and Rafa. That government will
fall and another government will come and do it. So what Biden has done
effectively is severed the relationship in a very serious way, because there's no way
that an Israeli government can survive. Now I think that Netagna who should go
because he's dragged his feet on this forever. He should have taken care of
it immediately. Donald Trump said that, and his comments were I didn't love
them, but they were misrepresented. He said that Israel was losing the PR
War, that Biebe should have gone in and gotten it done immediately rather than
taking this long while they lose the PR war. And yeah, they're losing
the PR war because there's a full core press of propaganda going on. And
anyway, I mean, I've said this as well before. I mean,
it would be like Joe Biden telling the Ukrainians that they should be forced into
a seize fire, which of course gives takes away all their leverage, and
then form an ethnic Russian state on their border that's going to be funded by
Russia with missiles aimed at their cities. But no, he does this to
Israel. By the way, we are allies of Israel for a very long
time. We have signed agreements with Israel. Ukraine has not been our it
wasn't our ally until this war started, and all of a sudden there are
ally there are. No we're not allied with them, they're not in NATO,
hold on NEO come, they're not well they're not. They're in no
way officially an ally, but they are a proxy state of the United States.
Now they shouldn't be. After the breakup of the Soviet Union, you
had a lot of wise minds who very very carefully handled that dissolution of the
Soviet Union, and those wise minds said, Ukraine will be a problem unless
it's a buffer between Russia and the West. And the US was like,
Eh, well, what if we made it a proxy in our in our
long standing war against Russia that will never end. And so they did not
follow the wise advice of some of those wise minds during the George H.
W. Bush administration, and they have slowly turned it into just like a
it's just a proxy, you know. It's so they're not an ally,
no, but they the UNI Party, And I know that's kind of a
silly phrase, but just because they're Republicans and Democrats have done that, have
been very involved in their domestic and foreign operations to the extent that it's not
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thing went back and forth. Obviously we help fuel a revolution there against you
know, sort of Russian. It's a very complicated situation. The Israeli situation
is not as complicated. All I'm saying is that we have a historical tie
to that country, and I do not like people. The Israeli situation is
very complicated. We have people say that I think it's as a foreign entanglements
go, it is quite We make it complicated by funding Hamas. I agree,
but I mean the morality of it should be very clear. I want
a Palestinian state there that's like Dubai or Hong Kong. But as long as
it's like Iran, I think it's pretty clear and cut clear where we should
be morally. And you know, I'm just saying as a matter of policy,
there are a lot of Palestinians. They have a lot of support in
the region, but not the kind of support that enables them to go live
in other countries in the region, and they are used as a proxy in
other states wars on Israel, and so it is a delicate situation. I
do not support the way we do it now, which is that we fund
Iran, we fund we fund the Palestinians, we fund Israel, you know,
we fund it all, and therefore we get prolonged conflict. You know,
who didn't fund Iran and who didn't fund the Palestinians and only funded Israel.
One country, I mean one president was Donald Trump. And you know
what happened there. We had a peace agreement between Gulf States and Israel that
was pretty strong and interesting and economically, you know, help both see and
I will just point out on you to say, yeah, you say that
they didn't you know, well, I do think it's worth noting that they
first went to the Palestinians with those peace agreements, like they were the ones
who got the first bite at the apple, and they refused. So they
did the right thing in taking the issue to them. And then when they
the thing that they did differently is that when the Palestindians said heck no.
They just said, well, you don't have veto authority over the larger peace
plan, so we're going to keep it going with other parties. And they
did. Yeah. I mean, I don't want to get too deeply into
this, but the Palestindians have been offered a state from nineteen forty seven,
forty eight all the way on numerous times, Bill Clinton and the Israeli government
gave them basically everything they wanted, except for basically everything they wanted, they
rejected it. So I think the Trump administration bypassing them after they rejected any
kind of overtures of peace was genius. It was genius, and it would
have let the peace in the long term and Biden not come in flushed cash
on the it's hamas and stuff like that. Anyway, I wanted to make
just one Yeah, sorry, I just want you to talk about what happened
in Dearborn this week too. Yeah, that's what I was going to say.
So, Dearborn is a heavily Muslim community in Michigan, So there's a
lot of a lot I'm sure they're very nice people there, but there are
a lot of people who just you know, are anti Semites and there are
a lot of people there hate America and Israel. And the other day there
was some protests there, and there's protest there's all the time. Seth Mandel
a commentary pointed at there's basically a Charlottesville every day and Democrats don't care at
all about it. You know. It's only when there was a couple of
tiki torch folks who have zero zero influntact. Yeah, in our political world
that we have to all get our fainting couches. And one of them,
you know, it was just going on about he was actually quoting Malcolm X
and saying that the United States is the rottenest place, you know, and
death to Israel, and people start chanting death to America because, as I
pointed out in a piece today, when people chant death to Israel, death
to America is almost surely coming, you know next. And these are the
voters that Joe Biden is trying to modify. These are the voters he sends
delegates to. And when I say these are the voters, I don't you
know, people call me islamophobic. I mean, care is an unindicted co
conspirator in a lot to fund Hamas Okay, one of the guys that was
on one of these committees that they've sent there, who refused to meet with
the by the Democrats, was literally convicted of helping Hamas financially. So I
don't know how Hamas is a terrorist organization according to the US government and the
US Justice Department. And these people are the people that Joe Biden is selling
out Israel for. I think Joe Biden is sort of affeckless zombie basically,
so he does what he, you know, whatever people around him tell him
to do. But there are Obama acolytes around him who have always hated Israel's
always wanted to lift Iran as a regional power, and they're the ones now
running our foreign policy. And you know, it makes it angers me.
And I think it's bad for America. I think it's bad for Jewish people
around the world. And you know, in the Democrats say nothing, Chuck
Schumer says nothing. Uh. You know all these guy people who have uh
who ring the you know, who are deathly offended when someone says something bad
about George Soros doesn't care that there are Charlottesville Charlotteville's every day in Michigan.
And I don't know, I'm just ranting now, but I'm pretty pissed off
about all of it, and rightly so it's uh, there are a lot
of issues in play, and one is even just how this points to problems
we have with immigration policy, like we should we should vet for hatred of
America. It's impossible policy, and I know, too hard. Yeah,
well it's I mean, we used to ask people like my dad was an
immigrant and my mom and they asked them, have you ever been a member
of the Communist Party? My mom had been as a child, because really
it was very hard not to be in Hungary, right, So you asked
my dad, have you ever been a Communist? It's like, hell,
no, I hate those bastards, you know, but he could easily lie.
There's no lie detector tests to see, if you know, if some
someone coming from Siria isn't an Islamist. So I don't really know what you're
supposed to do about that, you know, I know, way, I
know one thing you can do. You could not try to lift up the
most radical, terroristic voices among these populations. I'm sure most people are not
that way, but that's exactly what you know, what democrats are doing right
now. They're willing to sell out. And I just want to quickly say
too. People get mad about this, but the American Jewish institutions that claim
to be Jewish and American left as Jews also have been selling out to Jewish
people for partisan partisan ship and for votes. And it's just a suicidal thing
to do. And they don't care. They do not care. They just
hate Donald Trump and anything that hurts Donald Trump. They're on board. So
you know, we'll see where this heads. I think it's going to head
in a very bad to a very bad place. Anyway, Thanks for letting
me go off on that. It does. Did you read the piece in
what is it called? I forget it's FP, I don't know what that
stands for free press by this guy from NPR who was writing like about how
far gone NPR is and what a bad situation is happening there and how they've
been like just completely taken over by far left crazies. But he wrote it
in a very old school NPR style of like remember how like smart people on
the left used to be kind of reasonable, and he clearly, you know,
was like from that era they were liberals, right, I would say,
and they're no longer that. The guy's name is Yuri Berliner. He
is an editor of the I think the Money section or something my favorite.
Of course, he still works there, which makes this piece, I know
it was brave, brave, actually brave, which is a thing I rarely
say. I mean, he could lose his job, obviously, a lot
of his colleagues aren't going to like him anymore if they if they did.
But it's interesting that he notes, and I don't have the exact wording in
front of me, that one of the most unbiased and intelligent folks there were
like talking about how they were glad that that emper wasn't covering the Russia the
laptop story because it might have helped Donald Trump, Like can you imagine what
the worst case scenario exactly? You imagine what the worst person there is like.
But he began by talking about how they uncritically accepted Adam Schiff's lie that
he had personally seen evidence of Trump Russia collusion, and then when it turned
out it wasn't true, they just kind of like left the story and moved
on to the next thing. And then they went on to accept the Intel
communities claimed that the Hunter Biden laptop, which was one hundred percent real,
was one hundred percent fake, and that it was you know, Russian disinformation,
when in fact it was a really salacious story about corruption at the highest
levels of Washington, DC, and that when he brought these issues to superiors,
they just truly did not care about any diversity at all of thought.
And he also pointed out that in twenty ten, they had a pretty sizable
independent audience, a fairly sizable conservative audience, and you know, like I
think their plurality was liberal, but it was like thirty seven percent. But
now it's almost exclusively not just liberal, but like far left, and they've
lost their conservative and independent audience, and that matches with that matches anecdotally with
me. I used to actually appreciate listening to NPR for some of those long
form stories. He talks about the driveway moments, which I definitely experienced,
where you like sit in your car and listen to the rest of a program
because it's so good. And not only will I not listen to Endpere,
I won't even appear on it, Like it's just it's insane, and it
has been insane since the Trump first Trump era. I mean they were always
biased within the normal you know, orders of left wing bias. But yeah,
it's just really high quality programs about interesting, offbeat topics. And that's
why I never like government funding of these things, but at least government funding
to something that isn't just chasing clicks, you know what I mean, is
I think important. So they'll talk about African whatever, you know, or
story in Asia or whatever. So it's very interesting. And yeah, I
used to appear on NPR shows quite a bit, not quite a bit,
but you know, relatively often, and I wouldn't I wouldn't even answer an
NPR producer right now. I mean, I wouldn't go on there because first
of all, I just don't I like debating people I disagree with what,
you know. It's very difficult on these shows where they'll have like three people.
They had a show I forgot I was called, but it'd be like
right left and middle, you know, would be two leftists and you you
know, and then they wouldn't even ge your time to speak. So I
don't need that. But anyway, I don't know, but it was really
worth a read. I would encourage people to read it. I thought it
was good. Yeah, I mean, and he's not saying he's a laptist.
He's just saying be fair and have other leaders. I mean, this
seems like a completely legitimate liberals worldviews. I strongly imposed Donald Trump, and
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Okay, that's enough for that. Let's talk about culture. Well,
I don't know is the Eclipse culture science? It was an event, so
I would say culture. I always think of culture as just when we're not
talking about anything political or like politically cultural. Yeah, so Mark and I
went to Austin for the eclipse and it was fantastic. I just want to
say it was. I almost don't know what to say about it because it
was so unlike anything I've ever experienced in the natural world that I don't know
how to describe what it was like. Yeah, I mean, here's what
I liked about it. I just looked outside I was sitting here at my
desk and just seemed like it got a little cloudy. So it wasn't that
where I was that big. It didn't seem like that big of a deal.
But I liked that it was an event that almost everyone can talk about
that brought the country together in a weird way where you know, it's just
rare to have events like that anymore, you know. So it was a
nice moment, at least for a few hours. Yes, and I do
love well, Okay, So I want to just say I have witnessed several
eclipses of the type where you are in where you get to see like ninety
percent of the Sun eclipsed by the moon. The difference between ninety percent and
one hundred percent is as different as between zero percent and one hundred percent.
Like I think the difference between ninety nine percent and one hundred percent is about
as different as zero percent and one hundred percent. And what I mean by
that is a total eclipse. If you get to experience a total eclipse,
that's the thing that's unlike anything else. Ninety nine percent, ninety percent,
fifteen percent, that's all kind of the same. You just look up at
the sun and you get to see like some part of it shrouded by the
moon, but you still see major light. What happens in a total eclipse
is an unnatural darkening in the middle of the day of the earth, but
in a way that is very different from night time darkening. And I don't
know how to describe it. I'm sorry, but it's it's like something isn't
right. And I don't mean by that that something was wrong. It just
wasn't right. It was not anything that I was accustomed to. And I
love nature, and I love being out in nature at all times of day
and night, and this was just unlike anything I'd ever experienced. The quick
dropping of temperatures, the birds being silent, the crickets starting up, like
the animals acting weird, the way the light is just almost like silvery It
was really cool and I'm really glad I experienced it, and it made me
feel very small, and I like that, Like growing up out west,
a lot of nature makes you feel small, and I think that's kind of
a good thing for human to feel. And this was like that times times
a billion. Wow, very cinematic but surreal, but so big you can't
even describe it. I get it. I get it. And Austin was
like right on the path of this thing. Yeah, Austin was a big
destination and it was overcast, but I kind of prepared for that and it
did not for me. It did not diminish the awesomeness. I guess it
could be even more, which would be like, oh, mind blowing,
because I think the cloud coverage makes it so that it doesn't get as dark
as it would in a clear sky, but right, because the clouds would
reflect some light from outside the eclipse zone the wrong person, Yeah, okay,
but but it was still like the clouds themselves are pretty dark because they
were thunderstorm type clouds, and we got enough like breakthrough from the clouds that
we got to watch the eclipse happening slowly. Did yous ignore all safety instructions
like the president, like the former president of the United States. So I
always like joke about how that's my favorite the picture of him just looking straight
at the sun during the eclipse, contrary to what everybody knows, but because
it was so overcast, you kind of could look at the sun. And
then last night I was like, hmm, I really hope I didn't sear
my retinas. And then I was reading this John Quincy Adams quote about how
he had looked at the eclipse too much in you know, seventeen eighty nine
or something, I don't know what you're with, and how he was worried
about his eyes, and then like months later he was still worried about his
eyes. And I was like, am I the idiot who did not take
enough precaution? But I think I'm okay now? Am I wrong in pointing
out that obviously we had solar eclipses before that this one seemed to excite people
more For some reason. There were states of emergency in Indiana and other places
which just overwhelmed with people. I could be wrong, but I wonder if
it doesn't have to do with just hitting so many more cities than enormous like
eclipses happen all the time. They're just usually over bodies of water, like
you know, oceans and stuff. And there was the one in twenty seventeen,
which I think provoked quite a bit of excitement too, But it was
in a I think it cut a more rural swath, whereas this one hit
just a ton of cities, and I think that might affect it, or
it just was enabling more congestion from the drivable zones for one reason or another.
But the twenty seventeen one went through Wyoming, Nebraska, less populous areas
where it was less likely to create major congestion. But I remember Bend,
Oregon, where my husband is from, was also on the route, and
they were pretty overcrowded. Okay, well, I'm happy you got to experience
that. That does remind me. You remember how last week we were talking
about the one reader who's like, you don't have any solutions. I thought
the reader email this week about our discussion of that email, that the emails
were fascinating, like about how people who are good at analysis should not get
in the business solutions. Like we had several kind of make that that point,
and I thought that was really wise Yeah. Also, if you don't
have a solution, you shouldn't pretend you do, because you know it's not
our job. Anyway, we went through all that, but yeah, I
just want to stress I loved love the email. This week we are at
the what is It Radio at the Federalist dot com if you'd like to send
emails disagree with us or whatnot. So you were traveling a lot? Did
you see any movies or do anything worth noting culturally? So I know because
I have been traveling. I'm still traveling. We were in LA for the
Claremont Institute's annual gala. I'm a big fan of the Claremont Institute. Mark
Levin spoke there, which was a really interesting speech. And Mark and I
went to a couple of record stores. Oh that reminds me. I almost
got you something, but then I didn't. Sorry, that's a horrible thing
too. Thanks. Thanks. I got a gift, but I got this
really great mint condition Flash Gordon Vinyl well by Queen. I love that movie.
Yeah, and I can share it because I'm giving it to my girlfriend,
who is super liberal, so she will not in any way hear this.
But she's the world's biggest Flash Gordon fan. So I thought it would
be cool to get her that I love that movie so and in the theater.
I'm that old. I loved it, loved it. I thought it'd
be like Star Wars, which just this kitchy, great, just fun movie.
Yeah, all right, that's good. I actually did get a gift
for you and Marca record. Ooh exciting. Maybe now I won't give it
to you since not important enough to get a record for it. Now you've
given me a record. I couldn't remember if you like like punk collections or
not. And you know, collections are really hit or miss, and I
feel like I got you one and you didn't like it one. But then
I was like, do I make that up? I don't know. Okay,
you know like compilation. Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty finicky. But
I actually went out of my way to watch movies because of the last two
weeks I had like nothing, Okay, so what'd you watch? I watched
Wonka, which with Timothy shallomet Is. It's like a prequel. It got
good reviews, and I just I didn't like it. I just it didn't.
It was I love when I was a kid, and even later even
now. I love Willy Wonka. But I think I was thinking about this
deeply. I think I only love it because Jeane Wilder is in it.
Probably Jean Wilder is so such an amazing talent, so funny. I just
didn't get the underlying darkness that is Willy. You know, I'm saying.
The Roal Doll stories always have this sort of like an uneasy dark side.
You don't get that here. It's just a very polished movie and very you
know. So I didn't love it. I didn't love it. Then I
watched a movie called The I don't know why, I don't even ask,
but The Miracle Club. It looked like it was going to be like a
wholesome movie. It's on Netflix. It has Maggie Smith with kind of like
and Laura Lenny and Kathy Bates, and it's an it takes place in Ireland,
and it's about like, I don't even know what it's about. It's
just it's a nice story about a group of friends and mothers and this woman
got pregnant when she was young. This is in the fifties and have to
go away and she comes back something like that. I actually like that movie
better than I liked Wanka Okay, so there that's all I have. Okay,
we'll talk to you next week. Until then, be lovers of freedom
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