Weird things happened in the backyard of weird weird weird. Wow. Yo,
was that too much? I know, I was, Keep going, man,
keep going. Yeah, we are super duper ultra pumped today. Our
guest is someone who I mean I can speak for Ryan, I think here
and myself. Please do this. This guest has blown our minds on so
many occasions it's probably it's too many to count. Um. This this is
somebody who is is deep into the mystical side of life, energy work,
astrology, witchy cool stuff. Uh. And she is also an awmy.
She's a long time amy of the show. One of the very first in
our discord. Oh yeah, one of the very first, like og og
like super og. So everybody from wherever you're viewing this, give a round
of applause to Rosecords show Rose. We're so excited. Oh me too.
Thank you for having me on. Oh can't wait, it is it is
our pleasure. And I wanted to to start with like a little story.
Uh so when when you first joined our discord, uh, I quickly noticed
a lot of astrology talk, which, like I mean, honestly, back
when you first joined the discord, I was like not not super scrubbed up
on my astrology like whatsoever. Uh, but uh, you know, my
my wife is into it. So we did my chart, and then I
think I did one with Ryan. I'm pretty sure we we did like a
chart together and it was just kind of like a like an entry level basic
sort of chart. But then but then you put a message in the discord
and said, like, does anybody want me to do their astrology? And
I was like, uh, yeah, I want my astrology done by somebody
who actually knows like how to do it. And you did it, and
it was so comprehensive. It was shocking how much it resonated with me,
like like every single subcategory, every section, every placement, like what you
wrote about. And we hadn't really talked very much at this point, you
know, we didn't know each other uh super well, but I mean it
was like it was like you were inside of my head and you like you
saw my entire my entire life and wrote about it. So I'm gonna get
into actually some notes that I took, yes, yeah, when you when
you sent me that, But first I would love to ask, um,
how did you get into uh this this kind of stuff, not just astrology?
But the energy work and everything else as well. Yeah, first of
all, I'm so happy to hear all of that. And really, for
me, I was a really lucky kid because I grew up in an environment
with my mom where this was always kind of floating around, specifically like energy
work and just belief in the other you know, that there's more to life
than what meets the eye. And you know, we would be tucked into
bed at night, my mom would, you know, teach us, Okay,
now, envision yourself being enveloped in white light and say this prayer,
you know, and we would go, you know, white light surrounds us,
protects us from harm, and we just like repeat that mantra as little
kids. So whoa that. Yeah, super lucky to not have to have
religious programming that kind of cuts people off from that. So it kind of
makes it a little easier for me to kind of naturally be inclined to these
types of studies. Yeah, you know, me and my sister we'd make,
you know, offerings to fairies in the woods, like smashing up mushrooms
and making little pies for them. Things like that. Oh so cool.
Yeah, it's always just been super encouraged and I did go through a period
of time where you know, I had like an atheist, you know,
angsty period in my young teeth. But it always comes back and it happens.
Yeah yeah, who we all go there, We've all had that.
Unfortunately never or fortunately never went there, but yeah it happens. Yeah I
went there. Yeah, yeah, Yeah. It gets real edgy and you
feel like you know everything and then you find out you know nothing. Yeah
yeah, right, yeah. I just you know, over time, you
know, I've I've slowly developed my own practice. You know, I don't
have certifications in astrology. It's just kind of like a hobby of mine,
and a lot of it just relies on my intuition. I do have some
formal schooling from the Boulder Psychic Psychic Institute. Shout up, EPI. I've
never heard of this. Yeah, they're fantastic. Too early. But um,
now now that you know Dad's book is out, he's been um,
he just got back from a con a few days ago, and there's some
center out of Boulder that specifically has requested for me and Dad to head out
that way. They want us to do do some sort of book signing type
deal in Boulder, and my Dad's trying to negotiate it for like me,
my mom, my wife and I to go. So definitely, you know,
have to coordinate on that. But you you're in Ian, you will
find me. Okay, to happen a little bit, you will find me.
Yeah, I've been. I'm down in Denver, but I have you
know, it's very easy. It's like a thirty minute drive to both.
So if I end up, we'll definitely let you know. My wife is
looking you up today to like get all your information to send you stuff.
And she's like, oh my god, she's so cute. You too,
Jenny. I saw her follow me on Instagram and I followed her back.
I was like, this is the best. Oh my god. So so
what's the deal with BP I've I've never heard of this before. Yeah,
they're a psychic institute. It's run by a woman called Mila mac and they
do energy training, UM and psychic training, and it's in all different kinds
of levels, from entry level all the way up to you know, trans
mediumship where you're actually out of your body doing um, you know, energy
work in all different realms. So I haven't gotten that far into their programming,
but many of my friends have and it's actually connected with me with a
lot of my very close friends. And it's a funny story because before I
moved out here, I still live in New Hampshire and right the month before
I moved to Denver, I went to a drum circle in Salem, Massachusetts.
And yes, that sounds awesome, it really was. It was so
like, kay, okay, I gotta hear this story. What was that?
Like? Oh beautiful. We were in this green area right off the
bay and this woman facilitating it had these people kind of drawing circles around us
in the in the dirt with sticks while she kind of helped space and started
saying these prayers and then she would kind of stand in front of each one
of us and give us a message and um, for me, she was
like, you will find your people with this move, like this will magnetize
all of the people that you need to find to you. And that has
literally been what has happened. And then it couldn't be more grateful for that.
Wow, Wow, that's so cool, super cool. That reminds me
of that. Remember have you seen colorad of Space? I don't think so.
You remember that? Ryan? You know what? You know what I'm
talking about which part you have to part towards the beginning where the girl she's
like drying, yeah, and that's when she meets the guy he like walks,
Yeah, exactly, the water plant or whatever. It reminds me of
that. I feel like that would be such a singular experience, like you
can't you can't get that experience anywhere else. That sounds so epic. Yeah,
so quick little side tangent Um Colonel John By Alexander, who's the like
he's actually you know, involved with the Monroe Institute. Probably similar. I
don't know if it's I have a ben to Monroe yet, but I'm sure
it's like a similar concept to BPI. But the first time he ever came
to our house, just in like an investigative capacity, he um, he
showed us these personal videos on his like flash drive, and they were things
of him and his wife traveling the world, going on these bizarre esoteric adventures,
like hiking one hundred miles on horseback deep into the forest of Mongolia to
meet like this very tiny exclusive reindeer shaman tribe and like oh, like you
know, uh, spectate some of their secretive rituals and like, oh,
it's like I saw the videos sid. Another one that he showed us that
reminds me of what you just said was he also did kind of like a
tour in Africa, like just going through indigenous tribes and learning about their cultures.
And he actually showed me this on video. This was real like this,
this is not like he told me about this. Like I saw this
and it was a drum circle. I can't remember what country it was,
but it was definitely an indigenous tribe and they had the look, I'm a
drummer. I've been playing drums for I don't know how long now at this
point on the spot, like fourteen years or something like that, and I
never heard anything like this. The way that their drums were. They were
these natural, you know, like animal skin, like really natural indigenous drums,
and they had this precise rhythmic. It was like, if I could
explain it without sounding like a bunch of jargon, they had different tone drums,
and they had this pattern where they would like drum in a certain way
and then they would create like inflection in it was like do do do do?
Like going up and down, up and down, and it was so
rhythmic that it like actually got them. He was explaining this to us as
we're watching the video. It got them all in a trance. And these
there were these shaman type people who would get so deep into a trance.
Again I saw this. They would take fire and torches in their hand and
they would put it on their mouth and put it on their eyes and all
over their skin. Then it wouldn't burn them because they were in such a
high focus date. And it's like there's some weird, really are but awesome
stuff that goes on around the world that your typical nine to five person has
no clue about. And one of those things is drum circles and they're badass.
That's incredible, and it just speaks to the power of the like vibration
and sound in general. I'm totally about that. I have my little tongue
drum right here that duo it on all day long, just as therapy.
Yeah, and that's that's incredible. It does not surprise me. I fully
believe that. Where did you hear hear about this or see this? Ryan
Um John Alexander, he personally was there recording it and he showed us the
video. Oh whoa, yeah, and he has a website where he documents
a lot of this stuff and anyway, you know, it's just it reminded
me of that when you brought up the universal drum knowledge. Yeah. Yeah,
there's so many cultures that do that too, and uh, the majority
of them if you read the texts, it's about like reaching a heightened state
of like like a higher spiritual state. Yeah, it's so sick. But
um, okay, I want to talk about astrology for a sect because you
completely melted my brain. And when you did my chart, like seriously,
and before you dive into that, I just want to say she did mind
too, and it was equally mind blowing. I just didn't take the notes.
So I'm confirming. I'm confirming that Nick is not over exaggerating here.
She like she did mind too. But but not only not only was it
the like the way that I resonated with my specific chart, it was also
the way that you so eloquently kind of explained astrology as a concept. Like
you said, this one thing that was so so cool and I've never forgotten
it and every time somebody asked me, this is what I tell them.
So you said, this was an analogy that you used for like your sun
sign, your rising, and your moon. You probably know what I'm talking
about. Uh, you said that the sun, your sun sign is your
base. Imagine your astrology chart as a painting. Your your sun sign is
the base, like the base coat. Your rising would be your top coat,
and then your moon is the colors that you choose to paint with.
H That that stuck. Like as soon as I've heard that, I was
like, oh my god, do you do you mind kind of explaining a
little bit deeper what you mean by that? Sure, yeah, and you
know, not every astrologer may agree, but that is definitely how I connect
to astrology where it is. You know, you can look at any individual
placement. You know, so many people and pop astrology focuses on the sun
sign, but that is such a small sliver of who you are and what
your chart says. You know, your chart is your map for what you
set out to do and be in this life. So when you're thinking about
it, kind of like those layers, you can kind of see what elements
affect different parts of yourself and how you know, you know, my aries
rising is different than somebody's aries son, and how everything kind of comes together
to be its own unique composition of you. Yeah, I feel like that
is like the common thing when when people think about astrology, it's like,
oh, you're a you're a Gemini, so that means that you're two faced.
And I also hear a lot of people kind of trying to use that
sentiment to debunk astrology, like oh, well, my friend is a Gemini
and he's completely different than you know, my other friend or whatever. But
what you're explaining is it's like it's almost like it's almost like your son's sign
is like a mold or like a template or something like a container for everything
else to kind of see, how do you do that? How do you
do that? Like you're good with the analogies, like you're with the analogies
because I don't know. To me, I I relate with analogies. If
somebody breaks something down to me in an analogy, like that's really the only
way I'm going to absorb it. And you know who else, uh is
very good at that episode came out today Amy watching it before joining. She's
just incredible. Shout out to her. She but you two remind me so
much of each other because of that, and that's one of the reasons I
was so excited to have you on because like the eloquence, you know what
I mean, that's a huge compliment. Shout out. He's truly truly amazing.
This episode will come out like many space between that. But just so
people aren't confused, the day that we're recording, this is the day that
Amy's episode came out, Right, another serendipitous synchronicity. Come on, now,
we're really doing some magic here, y'all. Okay, yeah, yeah,
we do. That's what we do. What we can we take ding.
I'm a blow through a couple more of these real quick, just so
just so that people can can realize how completely astounding this is. Um.
Okay, So with with my Virgo, which was my moon, um,
the you you kind of explained intellectuality methodical, um, but because my Virgo
moon was in the eleventh house, it's focused on friendship, being a community
organizer, which like that is insane, and a delegator, And honestly,
the delegator thing I really resonate with because I love telling Alex what to do.
I really, I really, I really really loved it. Doesn't mean
that's completely completely true. Um. And another thing, so actually, uh,
something I want to go into real quick is UM something that I learned
from you is about conjunction? Mm hmm. Would you would you mind kind
of giving a brief explanation on what conjunctions are in a chart and what they
might do or what they might mean for your chart. Yeah. So,
and again I'm not certified in astrology, but from my understanding your you're on,
we got readings from you that here it comes Norwach that's you're onto something
the certified. Yeah. Yeah, So a conjunction is when two celestial bodies
are interacting with each other UM in a close manner, Like we just had
a Jupiter Venus conjunction. You could literally see it in the sky where we
had Jupiter and then Venus right below. So when those things happen, you
kind of get a very unique cocktail of those two planetary energies coming together UM.
And it also depends what sign that conjunction is happening in UM, like
what what sign is in like what because because there's kind of seasons with signs,
is that right, Like there's there's like we're currently in the age of
what is it Aquarius or yeah, so that's kind of separate from UM.
Well, that is obviously a part of astrology. But when we talk about
you know, what a planet is in there, they're always moving in you
know, a clock face. If you look at like an astrological astrological chart,
um, the top half is the above the horizon and the bottom part
is below it. So each of those segments, you know, of the
twelve houses can be assigned to a sign um for each individual's chart. It
just depends on when they were born, where they were born. Um,
But there are overararishing you know, you know, like you said, like
we're in the age of Aquarius now, so we were in the Age of
Pisces. As a collective, we've moved into the age of Aquarius. Yeah,
so does that make sense totally? It totally does. And I think
you also explained in that video that you sent me that when a conjunction happens,
it can kind of magnify some of the traits of some of those signs
or celestial bodies. Is that right too, Yes, depending on what planets
are in conjunction, they can either amplify or um you know, be detriment
to right right, right, So just it's there's so many different combinations of
what can be going on. It's it's that's what makes it so exciting,
and that's what makes it so hard to learn. Yeah, well, there
was there was some sort of conjunction in my chart with my sun and moon
um, and what you kind of gleaned from that was a strong ability to
communicate clearly. And I think I'm pretty good at that. I think I'm
that's like, that's one thing I'm decent at, so that that that like
really kind of stood out to me. And then this is where I really
started to kind of my jaw started to hit the floor in uh, with
my Saturn and pisces. You said that I kind of have a slow or
methodical acceptance of esoteric concepts. Ask Ryan. We've been friends a long time.
I ask a lot of questions, Dude, is am I lying?
Ryan, No, not at all. And I would say like, it
wasn't until recently until you started, and I say recently meaning like the last
four or five years, like really started to come around to a lot of
this stuff. Oh yeah, I mean I remember, you know, way
back in the day, we you know, even after the first experience with
the lady, I was like, huh, like what what what? Does
any of this even mean? Like, how is this possible? And You're
right, it was only within the past probably three or four years, that
I started resonating or this stuff started resonating with me, and I was like,
damn, there's probably something to this. So that was kind of insane.
Uh. And the next thing in the Saturn in Pisces was kind of
a thirst for knowledge, which I definitely would say I have, and a
level of guardedness, which I feel like it is a more recent thing for
me because I feel like lately I kind of protect my peace a lot.
Like you know, you're around twenty seven, right, Yeah, I'm twenty
I'm about to be twenty nine. Yeah, So um, Saturn actually just
entered Pisces. So it makes so much sense that those energies are being amplified
for you right now, Like yesterday, what, Yeah, I used to
deal with these three back to back full moons. Have you heard about that?
Uh huh? Yeah, that's where my wife was telling me. And
I don't know if this is true or not, but I don't even know
if this is possible, but apparently we've had like three nine to full moon's
in a row. Is that really? I think that it may appear full
And to Jenny's credit, she's absolutely right that the energy of a full moon
is active the day before the full moon, the day of, and the
day after. So and it's it's like something she read. It's not like
she's, you know, like an expert in this field. Yeah, we
don't really go that deep into astrology, but um, I'll have to look
into that to see. Yeah, please, maybe the cur's rotation is slowing
down or something. I don't know. Yeah, we went out on the
back porch yesterday and looked up at the moon and there was like a massive
halo around it. It was like witness me exactly. Yeah. Uh,
it looked like it had like an energy field around it. That's what I
like. That's what I felt. I was like a little halo exactly.
It was weird. Okay, I'm gonna this is the last one. Okay,
this is this is my tenth house and this one, this one was
the home run. Uh you gleaned that with my tenth house placement. I'm
good with portraying ideas in a way that's easy for people to understand, and
I serve as a filter for complex esoteric concepts and relate it to other people.
That's literally like the only thing I do on this show. Seriously,
Ryan really watching. I tried to stay away from the podcast, you know,
to not interfere in my intuition. And that's so funny that I took
notes on my reading. Now, I should still have the recording I can
do. I can't remember if it's in our DMS or if it's email or
I'll have to find it I need, I'll find it. It's like and
it's like a ten minute, very thorough video. By the way, we
can always record. I wanted to ask you, are you done with your
Yeah, yeah, that's okay. So I wanted to ask your opinion on
this. UM, I've been seeing this for months now, and my intuition
tells me it's very significant. Again not coming from I'm hundred percent believe in
astrology, but I don't like have any I don't I don't have any illusions
about like being an astrologer or anything like that. UM, I've been hearing
that this month for the first time in two hundred and twenty five years.
I think it's Pluto is entering Aquarius, which is supposed to be really energetically
significant. Do you have any insights on that? Yeah, yep, this
is a huge thing in the astro community right now. Everyone's kind of excited
for it. Um with Pluto, you know, we can have like where
our generation is, you know, Pluto in Scorpio, So our relationship with
Pluto is you know, eighth House stuff, which is like esoteric concept taboo
topics, human sexuality, things like that. So with that entering where it
is, it's just going to amplify those things in our society. So it
is definitely a very pivotal moment that combined with the ingress of Saturn into Pisces,
those two things happening almost at the same time as far as the universe's
clock is concerned, are pretty huge energetically, meaning like if I heard you
correctly, and God, I hope I did, you're saying that the Pluto
entering Aquarius at this time is indicative of like more widespread acceptance potentially of like
esoteric and occult concepts exactly because Pluto is uncovering and that's what Aquarius also does.
Aquarius is like these higher thoughts, Like if you've ever met somebody who
has a lot of aquarious placements, they're going to be the type of person
that entertains you know, nuts and bolse UFOs in Aquarius. Maybe I'm making
that up. Yeah, when when is Aquarius? One month? Um?
Aquarius is? Uh end of my mom's birthday's January Juary? Yeah, end
of January into February. So twenty first does that count? Is that like
a cost or whatever? January custom really thing? But yeah yeah yeah,
like once once you move out of a sign, you're not really into um.
So don't hate the internet, yall, we're doing no cust Yeah,
I'm in Aquari, said January. Huh yeah in Aquarius. Yeah cool.
Isn't it funny that my dad, you know, had this experience with this
like blonde haired lady that was like, oh, you know, we're entering
the age of Aquarius. His wife's in Aquarius. Like isn't that just so
poetic? Yeah, your whole family has things like that, with Teddy being
a Taurus, like, those things blow my mind. I really have to
dig into Junior's chart. I was supposed to do a reading for him too,
and it just gets deeper each time I look at it, which is
incredible. I mean I'm always down to learn more, trust me, I'm
like spending my whole life trying to see the significance of things. So like,
you never bother me with that. I promise, great, I'll blow
you up. You will find me of the session, you will find me
and likewise do you you will find me fascinated and esoteric astrological information so perfect
And yeah, that brings up a cool point. Have you heard of esoteric
astrology? Um? So we talked and to his credit, we talked about
it like briefly one time, so we've barely covered it and we don't know
much about it either. Yeah, it is deep. I've not heard so
much about esoteric astrology myself, but intuitive astrology definitely. That just kind of
combines like energy work with astrology, which is what I do, which is
why when I get a chart, it's not necessarily reading the most prominent placements,
but what wants to be seen and heard at that moment, and that's
how I give you those readings that like blow your socks off. Yeah,
okay, so energy work, I'm like that. I'd love to talk about
that if you're down. Oh yeah, what sort of what sort of energy
work are you drawn to? For me, it's a lot of visualization.
Um, that's what I was trained in at Boulder Psychic Institute. And that's
kind of where, you know, being primed with that type of work from
childhood with my mom. All right, yeah, how long were you at
the Boulder Psychic Institute. Um? I was there for about a year and
a half. I took a little hiatus and then I'm going to go back
to you know, Yeah, you're you're like a You're like a wizard or
something. You're like a sage. You're like a sage. I just imagine
I read in you in like full like Harry Potter like house uniform, just
like studying in the library. I don't really know at this point. You
know, there's been some Hufflepuff in the past. I don't know if that's
just because I'm a stoner who loves food. But you're giving me raving claw
vibes, and I mean they're you know, they're in the astrology tower.
That's where their dorman is. So come on now, but sorry, deil
energy, I'm excited. No, that's I have add I am ready to
ride any tangent you throw at me. But yeah, UM, just a
ton of visualization with specific techniques of you know, incorporating you know, sacred
symbolism such as the rose. We use a lot of bubbles that you've heard
me talk about where it gives you a nice little container to do your thing
in to heal yourself, to manifest within and hearing Amy talk about the manifestation,
it was so validating that the concepts that she has, you know,
done her whole life, Like that's it's real, Like it's it translates to
all these different modalities, very cool stuff. Yeah, she's amazing. What's
this bubble concept that you're speaking about? The bubbles thing? Yeah, so
when I manifest I the visualization um aspect of that, I place it in
a bubble. And this is something I learned at BPI, So got to
give credit where credits due um. But you kind of envision like like she
was using that example of like Superman flying over the water, like whatever your
manifestation is, and you visualize it in this bubble of neutrality, and you
observe the colors that are in that bubble with your visualization. And we're training
that. You know, opaque colors are foreign energy that may not belong in
our space. So it we allowed to clear out of that bubble through grounding
that manifestation. Um, you know, translucent colors are our own energy,
so we can look at those and amplify them. And then a lot of
this bubble work involves what we call what I call the Supreme Being or God,
so we get them involved. They give it a little kiss. You
look at it, you know, make sure that you're ready, you like
how it is, You slap a little I want this or better onto it,
just so you're not limiting yourself, cover your basis exactly. We fling
it out to the edge of the universe. And how was it, Amy
said in a way that pleases me. Yes, yes, yes, it
just off the top of my head. Sorry, not to cut you off,
but from the listener who's and I only say this because I know this
like being poked and prodded by the general public since a kid, since I
was a kid. And there's a lot of people who hear what you're saying,
and they think about it very literally. When you say the Supreme Being
gives it a little kiss, you you obviously mean this is what you visualize
in your head. Yeah. Yeah, I envisioned like a golden light coming
and enveloping that bubble and blessing the manifestation and kind of giving it like a
not a steal of approval in a sense. But you know, back me
up on this if it aligns with me and then you release it, and
what will be will be? Dude. You know what's really blowing my mind
right now? And I'm gonna do something I haven't done in a long time.
Um Stephen Universe. Uh uh. In Stephen Universe, the way that
he saves a lot of these crystals or these like crystal consciousness beings, he
puts them in a little bubble and then and then he gives him a kiss
to heal him, and he puts him in any and he sends them away.
Come on, so tapped in that show, it really is it's it's
so is okay. So that's that's really dope. That's a cool Uh.
I haven't heard that that bubble technique before. That's that's I definitely recommend you
know, look at my resources about you know, grounding yourself learning how to
read your own energy. Um. Just because you know when I talk about
like, oh is this foreign energy? Is this mine? Doesn't mean it's
like bad energy. We just have you know, places and traumas and experiences
where external energy can stick to us. So if you see those in your
manifestation, don't think that it's ruined or anything like that. Wow, what
is your Do you have any experience on reiki at all? Any sort of
experience with that? Funny because I was actually last week supposed to be trained
in my first reiki attunement. But it's just like I remember you saying that
in the discord. That's why I had to ask. Yeah, I'm still
moving forward with that. I feel like, um, you know, my
mom has this too, where people will tell us that they feel the energy
from our hands when we're like rubbing their face, and you know everyone has
energy. That's where your most important, you know, one of you know,
your strongest chakras are in the palms of your hands, and your eat
and your feet. Yeah, the Egyptian that's why grounding works exactly, the
trackers in the hands and feet. Yeah, that's why moodra's work, bro,
because you have trackers in your hands, and that's why un on water.
Yeah, I guess it's possible. Yeah a wild Yeah, And I
am going to be doing that and I feel like that's just going to be
an amplification of what this work does. And it's it's absolutely it's just the
tool bell and you're expanding that tool bell. Yeah, exactly. Could you
very fascinated? Could yeah, could you explain what reiki is like one of
y'all or both of y'all or whatever. I don't know much about it.
Up to you, Melissa, if you want to take it away, yeah,
sure, and um if please add to this. But for my understanding,
it's an attunement of a certain lineage of practice of energy work. It
originates in Japan and it's taught all around the world, and it uh Reiki
itself is the energy that comes out of the practitioner hands and goes into the
energy fields of the recipient. And it is this all knowing energy where you
you don't have to be looking for anything to heal the like exactly, it's
exactly like chi but in you know, chi is a Chinese word. And
I don't remember the name of the guy, but there was a Japanese guy
who like went up a mountain, went on some like extensive meditative retreat and
basically came back down with the knowledge of raiki, and he was revealed.
I don't remember exactly how he was revealed them. But he was revealed these
like universal symbols that are like energetic flows, I guess, and like that's
why you see these common reiki symbols, and they mean different things like power,
healing, wisdom, whatever. So the raiky practitioner will either draw these
symbols or they'll like make them with their hands. And it's all about cultivating
this, you know, even though it's a it's a Chinese word, it's
easier to understand this type all encompassing forest that's all around us and just pushing
it energetically into the recipient and clearing their energy field. Exactly. WHOA,
I'm all about Eastern stuff. I really believe I probably was like a monk
or something. Yeah if that. Yeah, But I mean, like,
I mean, you know, I'm so fascinated by Eastern techniques. Yeah,
they really have not been, you know, subject to the suppression that Western
uh civilizations have that I'm just accepted in the East exactly, And I personally
believe that Jesus in his you know, years of you know, you know,
missing from you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. However, under
points to Raydon Claw for bringing up my esoteric name what Jesus. Yeah,
he was out there getting ripped. Man. Yeah, what was you quote?
He's the most bad to the balm sage. Yeah, he's the most
bad to the bone stage that ever lived. It's true, bro. Spoiler
because we're doing a Theosophy episode soon. They're all about him. Oh yeah.
It's like the deepest of cold secret they believe in the coming of Christ.
Like that's you know anyway tangent love it. Yeah, it's I think
it's just that he is, uh, he's probably the most well maybe not
the most, but one of the most prominent figures that that was considered to
like carry the Christ consciousness because you know, you got you got Jesus,
you got Buddha, you know, but Jesus, I mean Christianity. It's
you know, it's it's not that's a separate thing. Yeah yeah, right
exactly, yeah exactly. But I'm pushing Christianity. No no, no,
but but no, no, we we got too much trauma for that,
but us exactly. Yeah, yeah, We're we're good on that. Yeah.
So that the Christ consciousness thing, though, that's I can get behind
that. You know, the parallels between all the different esoteric and exoteric religions.
It's like, you know, the Bible's got some cool stuff in it,
dude. Honestly, like the deeper you get into the literature of these
esoteric schools of thought, like specifically here talking about Theosophy, it's crazy.
But they believe because they believe that the Buddha and the Christ are actually two
different offices, and when combined, they form the third most supreme office,
which is known as the Matrea, the world Teacher, and they believe that
the Christ is the love of the supreme God being in the Buddha is the
supreme wisdom of the God being, and the Matrea will incarnate in the Age
of Aquarius, which is the combined energies of the Buddha and the Christ office
or position, which will usher in the Age of Aquarius. Deep shit,
bro, But like that's what I'm saying. That's and I'm sorry to derail
your episode, Rose because this is about you, but you know how we
do our tangents on this show. But oh um, yeah, it's like,
you know, coming from somebody who likes has been you know, I
feel like there's levels of initiation into conspiracy theories. And again I say this
from personal experience. This is my experience. It starts off at some point
people realize like their secret society, there's Freemasons, there's Illuminati, and like
you think it's all bad, right, you think it's all devil worship,
and then like when you break past that veil, you realize, like some
of the secret societies are good and like there is some alternative knowledge out there
that's not evil, like they teach, you know, and like very old
fashioned Christian schools of thought and like coming to find out like people like the
Rosa Crucians they have this incredible ancient knowledge. Mason's I'm not crazy about them.
I think they messed up their personal image a little bit too much.
I don't want to touch one of it's in football. But like my point
is, you know, it used to be everybody was like they worship,
they're Luciferians, they're all in the devil worship. And then you read their
texts, bro, and you like actually read their texts and it's like christ
consciousness is they're too light and they believe in Christ. That's the mind blowing
part. Yeah, exactly. I've spent like fifteen years studying this stuff thinking
it was evil and then you open their books and it's all about Christ and
it's like, yeah, yeah, it's all intentional because if you knew that
you could access that, they'd have no mechanism to control you through. It's
like it's like you gotta church, and it's like you gotta you know,
once, once the apostle Paul's writings came around, it's like, you gotta
get prostrate on your hands and knees, you gotta choose to suffer, You
gotta worship God, and you gotta believe in him as this pagan deity.
But then when you open the like the Rosicrucian text and stuff, it's like,
nah, bro, you are Christ. Yeah you are. We all
are, dude. Chill roll about that universal love of self and forgiveness of
type whatever may cut you off from that. By the way, we talked
about Salem didn't even mention my black cat dds on the Yeah, she's just
kicking it. I love her collar. Oh yeah, my wife buys all
the collars. I let her dress them up however she wants. It couldn't
taste Jenny. Look cut, hey, I had another question. Um,
I'm curious were you were you into the UFO UAP type community before finding the
show or finding the Bledsoe's or what's the story with that? So I found
you guys because my friend Meg, she's mego potato in the Yes. Yes,
So she visited me and she knows I'm into all of this stuff and
she was like, you need to hear this man's story talking about your father
Ryan, And once I did, it was very similar to my experience with
my version of the Lady was isis um just being shown the universal vibration of
love and playing with that like painting things pink. That's a whole other thing,
but um with that. Uh. My family has had et experiences,
specifically my sister where when we were growing up in a town called Londonderry,
New Hampshire, which is has its own hauntings and shit going on there.
Um she saw yeah, yeah, the Shire. Yes, we'd always have
supernatural experiences. When we and my sister shared a bedroom, we would share
dreams. We'd wake up at the same time and be like did you see
that? Like yeah, and then let's go back to sleep because it was
so normal. Yeah. Yes. And she had a really unfortunately traumatic experience
where she was in our bedroom alone and our vanity mirror faced the windows of
our bedroom and she saw what I think is some kind of extraterrestrial. She
described it having very thin gray skin. You could see the ribs, and
it was just kind of hanging out by our window. Um. So I've
always been aware of this type of stuff. UM. I have not had
any encounters that I remember. Um, but we would see, you know,
things in the sky. I remember being little with my mom in the
car and we just saw this red orb like fly across the sky in front
of our windshield as we were driving down a road. So they've definitely always
been there. Yeah. Wait, did you did you have like an experience
with the lady or with you with Isis You you mentioned Isis. Yeah.
Mine was initiated through a seven grand mushroom trip. But yeah, that's the
last time I did mushrooms. Is the most I've ever done. I was
like, okay, I literally learned everything I wanted to thank you. Um,
but yeah, it is a lot. Yeah, it's like above a
yes, and it was. It was very incredible. It was the most
beautiful experience of my life where I was seeing the different layers of dimensions like
I'd see hieroglyphs, and then I'd see sacred geometry all like these translucent sheets
in front of me. And I was looking out at the sky, over
the mountains, over the rocky mountains outside my window, and um, the
clouds started shifting and I do a lot of clouds crying. I've talked about
it before in the discard, like yesterday, yeah, yeah, and I
had Isis appeared to me as well as archangel Michael and Bastet, the cat
goddess of egypt Um. So they were showing me how to actively use the
vibration of love to all through my reality. And I was literally looking at
a building painting at pink, seeing people on the street, enveloping them in
the color pink, and it was like I had led on. It was
such a vivid color. And after I was coming down, I just started
sobbing so hard as I released lifetimes where this was just not allowed to be
expressed in any way. You know who you are, who you're Glinda the
Good Witch riding around in a pink little bubble akka a grande hey yo,
for real, I was riding in the riding the car with my wife the
other day. I don't even remember where we were going and that we were
just on a road trip. Maybe it was in Utah, and we were
talking about that and I said, Jenny, how crazy is it that my
queen is the one who is depicting this goddess who rides around in orbs?
You know, because that's like when you think about it's funny she rides around
in an ORB and like my my family were the ORB people, and of
all the actresses or whatever they picked in the whole world, it's my queen.
You already know. Come on, it was like episode five, I
confessed a grande and then I like, never talked about it on the show
again. Come on, now you're gonna manifest meeting her? Yo, I'm
telling you, man, her husband, her husband has these I think is
the same birthday as me? No, so you go to in other words,
I have a shot. Yes, yes, what is what is Ginny
gonna think about this? I told, yeah, the same thing that it's
either the same birthday or I know you're the Leo, so you know the
same year two. Come on, now, that's so funny, that's so
ridiculous. I love that your queen, you're your princess and your queen.
My wife is my princess. Okay, I have another fun question that I'd
like to ask, if you don't mind not at all, Are you into
witchcraft? I am, I'm aware you want to tell me about it.
I have a couple of friends who also practice witchcraft, and it's it's so
cool and it's so wild the stigma that's been placed on it, and so
I'd love to hear you talk about it. Let me shut up. Yeah,
no, I love how witchcraft can be whatever you want it to be.
Again, not everyone who is more into the traditional practices may agree with
that, but anything can be witchcraft with intention. I myself, I identify
as a kitchen witch, So that means, you know, when I'm cooking,
I'm actively putting intention into the food. I'm using my energy work to
infuse certain vibrations into what later is consumed. I'm communicating with the animals that
have provided me with what I'm consuming. Things like that. That also kind
of falls into like greenwich territory, where you start talking to plants and things
like that. Um, you also have like, yeah, ceremonial magic,
which involves the use of like altars and specific uh you know, movements,
you you go through bro. Dionysus was into that. Dionysus was all about
that. Shout out, Dionysus, shout why on my altar earlier. Yes,
And the cooking thing I resonate with a lot too, because I feel
like, so I cook pretty much every day and I've done it for a
long time. I love cooking, but like I feel like when I cook,
I go into a trance. Yes, I kind of like I've gotten
to a point where like I don't have a single thought in my mind when
I'm cooking. My hands are just moving, flowing with it. Oh,
it is. It is weird to me. And so you saying that so
so defined for me, Like you know, there's there's obviously this crazy,
wild stigma about witchcraft that it's evil and it's dark and it's whatever. What
is it to you? To me, it's just a way to connect with
all the different aspects of myself and bring those into my physical reality. Um
for my exactly. And that's kind of what I was going to say that,
you know, the energetic work that I do translates to the witchcraft and
and you know vice versa, and there are just so many different paths you
can take um. You know, some people do you know, participate in
hexing and cursing, but you know that doesn't necessarily yeah, yeah, I
don't. I don't like to that because of the karmic implications of that kind
kind of work. And same with like manifestation, Like if you're manifesting,
oh I want, you know, Johnny to fall in love with me,
Like that's going to fuck you up karmically. So just having you know,
being aware of the energy and knowing that it can be worked with on any
degree of the spectrum from dark to light. You know, some people choose
to go a little darker. Some people don't participate in any kind of you
know, shadow work or um. And you know shadow work is just like
self reflection truly, but you know, there are so many different degrees of
it. And I think the stigma comes from centuries of trying to oppress people
from the true power that we are, you know, as humans are meant
to access as a birthright for just being a human soul. See my take
on witchcraft is it's like and I don't mean to come off as like a
fencer or whatever, It's just my honest take. But my take on witchcraft
is it's just like a bunch of labels thrown on, like the already eternal
Eastern meditation practices, and like it's really just not necessary, you know what
I mean, Like cut strength, definitely not in path. It's like it's
like role it's like spiritual role play. To me, it can be there
are there are people who are ceremonial. Sorry for this, there are,
dare you. Yeah, you're so right Ryan that it can be so performative
in some senses, Like you can have a ceremonial magician who's going through this
elaborate ceremony and be so disconnected from the spiritual self, just like you can
have somebody who's like, oh, I'm just gonna light a candle here and
you know, say some words and we're good. Like there are so many
varying degrees, but what matters most is intention and for some people that extra
bits, Like for me, it's just fun. It's just a fun way
for me to set up a pretty little space to honor. Yeah exactly.
So yeah that and oh sorry, go ahead, Alex, Yeah I'm gonna
cut you off. Nick, I want to take it back to the kitchen.
Yeah, I find that really interesting because I think, like kind of
to Ryan's point, like I feel like a lot of people participate in magical
things without really understanding it. And I really like what you said about the
food because you know, like we're all told to stay away from processed foods
because they're not good for you and they're not nourishing your body, and so
like, are they are they not nourishing your body because they're not good ingredients?
And I think that is, you know, the practicality that's part of
it. But is it the fact that the human element and the soul was
completely removed and making that food product that you're consuming this absolutely soulless piece of
product and expecting it to nourish your body as opposed to something that somebody put
time and energy into making. And I'm like one of those people. I
stumbled onto something where someone was like speaking positive manifestations into their water before they
drank it. Yeah, yeah, And I'm just I'm like one of those
people who I'll pour something into a glass, like I try to only drink
out of glass, and then I'll put it up in the in my window
sill and let the sun hit it for a little while and then come back
and drink it or whatever. But I think, like definitely, you know,
I don't think it's a coincidence that like homemade food tastes good and also
is much better for your body as opposed to something that was made by machines
and absolutely devoid of human contact. Exactly. Yeah, food has vibration,
And what you did with the water on the windowsill, that's witchcraft. That's
witchcraft. Like you don't have to call it witchcraft, it is. You
know, that's just a label some like like Ryan said, it can just
be a label, but your intention behind that is where the magic lives.
Yeah, it's just like there's you know, there's all of these different religions
that are talking about the same thing, but they call them different things because
they came from different parts of the the you know, of the world.
If I'm not mistaken, Witchcraft started in like with like the druids. Is
that is that right? Yeah, well that in that part of the world.
If you go to Africa, it's who do and exactly, And then
in the in the East, you know they got raiki, they got you
know, they have all of the it's the same stuff entire power. I
wanted to say, I saw this really cool thing, you know that alex
Uh. In response to what you were saying, Um, the Native America,
a lot of Native American tribes, they believe that when kind of we
as as a human race kind of emerged or or our consciousness evolved enough,
uh, they communed with like the the spirit of nature, and they were
told that animal kind was put here uh to live alongside us. But also
that they they kind of give us their bodies as a blessing, uh to
nourish us with the that with this kind of like social contract that we pay
respect to their bodies before we consume them, you know what I mean,
Like we have to you know, I'm I'm totally on board. And then
like hunting and fishing, like right, yeah, this the same thing.
And as long as and I just think, as long as you are like
being sustainable about it and giving thanks that it's like that there's nothing more nourishing
for your body than something that you went out caught, you know, like
unfortunately took the life of and then like eight like that, and that's like
that's kind of ceremonial in the way. But as long as you're you know,
respecting that and and like being thankful for that that that that's like giving
so much to you and your body, not only you know, just nutritionally
exactly, And even if you're in a position where you can't source nutritious food,
simply thanking what you are consuming with that intention, it just the same
thing. Raises the vibration of what you're eating has a better effect and absorption
into your body. The Rosa Crucians teach actually putting your hand over the food
and like blessing the energy from your palms. Yeah, but you know,
I think that you do that rose, Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's
like it's like cool, and then you just think about whatever you want to
infuse it. You know. Sometimes it's like comfort if you have a little
tummy ache, you know, whatever, whatever intention calls for. One of
the most profound quotes that I've ever heard that changed my life is from the
Tawe, which is like this ancient mystical Chinese philosophy which is basically like you
know, Buddhism type belief consciousness. There's this eternal consciousness force around us,
and it's like the towel. According to the Taoists, it's like when you
name me You've lost me when you name the towel. You've lost the towel.
When you try so hard to define it, you just fucked it up.
You know what I mean? Me, that's the most profound is that
the towel the towel of Winnie the Pooh. Uh huh. Yeah, we've
talked about that on the show before. Yeah, how about this. It
has a it has a grays Creek Middle School tag on it. Right,
his mom worked in the library, so they Man, that's funny. But
that's that's My whole thing is like, you know, is you know,
I think it's important for people if if they're open to more like advanced forms
of spirituality. It's like, just don't think so or anything. Really,
Like this is why I hate politics, because people are so quick to label
themselves and then label others. And to me, that's like the lowest just
just the the the lowest form of ignorance possible. We're living in this completely
devoid world of happiness and truth and awakening, and like we're on the cusp
of reaching that point, and everyone's labeling each other and labeling themselves and it's
like, I think with the towel said is correct, when you label me
or when you label God or the force or whatever, you lost it.
So like that's my thing. Is like whatever spiritual practice people are evolved in,
there's a lot of push I feel for this like left hand path,
Like you know, oh, I just learned the truth that I'm a spark
of God. I am God, And it's like this total ego like self
serving thing, but it's wrong. The true, the true enlightenment path is
like you learn the secret that you are God. So now you become humble
because you're always in the presence of God, whether you're with other people,
with yourself or just alone in the forest, the cheat and the trees and
the waters and the animals, you're always in the presence of the divine spark
of God. So that's why humility and the right hand path is most important.
And that's my whole thing. Yeah, it absolutely translates to my own
personal practice as well, because I believe every single molecule, anything that has
ever existed, we're all connected back to that central source exactly. Yeah,
that's profound him. And also the thing that you you guys were just talking
about with like kind of blessing the food, which is so funny because we
had to do that our whole lives. Oh, by the way, a
fun little a fun little side note. You know how most people you're you're
done praying over your food and then you say amen. Uh. My grandpa,
at the end of every prayer of my entire life, he would at
the end of every player a prayer, he would say, playball. Yeah.
Yeah. Anyway, the thing about blessing the food just literally a couple
actually, it was last time we were on the way back from Wilmington,
Me and Casey were talking about this exact thing in the car of like the
spiritual relationship that we have with the food that we're eating, and we were
talking about how kind of like hopeless and sad it is that they make it
so hard for us to source food that is an any way has like a
personable you know, ethical treatment or or whatever. And how I was talking
about, like, man, it would just be so ideal if someday,
like I could I could source all my own food and know where it came
from and pay respect to it and whatever. And it kind of felt a
little hopeless. But the idea of thanking it anyway, no matter where it
came from and putting that energy into it and then kind of forming an energetic
bond with the food that way. That actually gives me a lot of hope.
That's something that I'm gonna implement into my daily practices because I think that's
important. There's a SpongeBob episode about it, which one wait, dude,
hold up, we've been referencing spongebobs. No no, no, no,
no, no, no. The one one he's like, what's a king
Neptune. They're like in a competition, remember, and he's like cranking out
like thousands of crabby patties. But SpongeBob's like tucking his in Yeah yeah,
treating it with love and tasted so good it was like even the gods were
shocked. Yes, yep, that's that's absolutely it. SpongeBob. Yeah,
I have to I speak SpongeBob my second language, the same. I think
that's just like the generational thing because you're you're around the same age as us.
I love to ask what we were born in? Oh cool, yeah,
I'll be thirty in August. What you were born in? Wow?
Same age as my brother? Okay, good year. Yeah that's awesome,
SpongeBob. Gen we sure do We're at an hour, by the way,
So just before we like bounce out of here, is there anything that you
feel like you haven't gotten off your chest or you want to talk anything important
that you feel like you know you're here now? Is there anything that you
really want to talk about? Um, you know, we've SpongeBob. What's
your favorite episode? No, Honestly, we've touched on so much that I'm
so glad I got the opportunity to bring to this platform because I feel like
a lot of people don't know how much control is, you know, how
much access is just at their fingertips for this type of stuff. It can
seem like it's very far away, but we are literally human beings designed to
do the things that we talked about today, So never forget that. I
really like your perspective. I think it's very valuable and like I this this
is like to me, this is my dream coming true because I always wanted
to, Like, even at the conception of the shoot this show, I
knew that someday we would have guests on when we got to that point,
and like, this is awesome because I feel like with each person we've brought
on, you know, especially lately, like with you and with Amy,
it's like we're cementing in my mind, what are like experts with these different
viewpoints, Like Amy's the manifesting expert, You're really into manifesting, but like
you're really so good at so many other things, and I feel like we're
just we're just like creating this cast of like spiritual heroes who like have a
lot to offer everyday people. So like, thank you. It's like the
spiritual Avengers or something. Yeah, you guys are facilitating, facilitating all of
this. You know, everyone is literally magnetized to this space to speak because
you guys have created it and the people who are who need to hear it
are going to And this is dream come true for me too, to be
able to speak on these topics, you know, without fear. That's a
huge thing for me. So thank you both and any two Alex off Camp.
It is completely our pleasure. You are the greatest. And also,
like we we barely scratched the surface on on multiple things, so please please
come back, please come back. We gotta do another one. This was
too much fun. I cannot believe it's been an hour. I know,
I know it flew by, and yeah, I anytime you need me.
I'm here. Hell yeah, you're the best. Okay, all right,
you know how we in the show. Let's do it all right, but
hang on by the way, don't don't leave until because we're gonna let it
fade out. Okay, okay for a second after let's get all right.
One weird things happened in the backyard. Let's house, yea, let's just
send I got it's so weird, kind of closer to my hair. Stag
is straight up like spiraling on the inside of it. No one knows.
Wow, come right, never shine. He ain't happy.