And it hits me, Oh my gosh, this is that triangle. You
know, there's explanation for everything that occurred in the Randal Schampars incident that doesn't
involve aliens at all. It was completely silent. It comes right over our
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okay. Yeah, I'm not a real Debbie Downer. No, I'm not
bummed at all by that. Unfortunately, good customer service is hard to come
by. Yeah, it's been something else. But anyway, hopefully it'll be
all set. And let's talk about what's going on out there. You're getting
busy and ready for the for the upcoming UFO Congress. I'm making arrangements to
be out there. I'm pretty excited. Yeah, so am I I'm really
excited. I just I think I've said this before. I just love,
you know, these people being able to share their information, people that you've
interviewed, and you know, I think it's hit or miss always, just
like when you have someone on you don't know. I think it's a good
thing to do someone who does some work but you're not familiar with them or
or you know how well they're able to articulate their work. But there's so
many times where you're pleasantly surprised, and I love just featuring the great heart,
hard work by so many people out there, you know, that are
really into this topic and take it very seriously. So it's always really exciting.
You know, we always like to present people that aren't out there on
the circuit. I think it's unfortunate that most of the conferences have the same
people because they're just so fearful of having someone different. So I love doing
that and often, you know, the speakers that we have end up being
the new people on the circuit, bringing in new blood. I think maybe
some of the people who are regular on the circuit maybe get frustrated by that,
but you know, it's fair and it's good, and some of them
who are genuine, you know, researchers and love the field are happy to
have new blood coming in and sharing new information and new perspectives. So I'm
extremely excited mainly to share the information with people. And we have a lot
of great speakers. Yeah, I've always tried to get unique and new speakers
on this show. And you know, sometimes you know, watch the downloads.
Sometimes the downloads aren't that popular, but still, you know, I
just think it is it is good to shine a new light on you know
the subject when you find someone new, Well what I found and you probably
do too. We've got kind of an audience who's going to be there no
matter what. And that's what's great. They'll listen, maybe they won't like
it, and they'll say that, and you'll you'll have a little bit of
a of a less listeners and you know, maybe get some feedback. But
what's great is often you know, they'll still give it a chance because they
like listening to the show and uh, and then they're happily surprised by you
know, how great someone is or the great information that they have, and
and you're introducing someone new to people, and that's that's awesome. Well,
I got to tell you, ever since I've been on your show way back,
I think it was a year and a half ago, my show has
instantly grew up by one grew one third for downloads right after that, and
so I think we share a lot of the same listeners. Matter of fact,
someone emailed me the other day they said they're they're kind of listening to
the same UFO News twice, but they don't care. So that's just funny,
and it's with a different uh, you know, straight guy, because
you're my straight guy on this and Jason is on our show, so so
that means it's different jokes, a little slightly different sense of humor, but
and different takes on because then you'll have, you know, interesting questions regarding
the news that of course we wouldn't have on our show. So it's still
good and I agree with you. I think we have a similar sensibility to
this. We agree so much on uh and have similar perspectives on the whole
thing. Right, ho, So what is going on this week? Has
it been? Uh? Has it been a busy week? It's been an
interesting week. It has been somewhat busy, and it's been a real weird,
interesting week, which is good. So yeah, I have a couple
of sightings and then kind of a new new cool story and that has to
do with John Greenwald. So but something completely different than what's been going on
here. Okay, but yeah, fuke stories here. So the first one
I want to talk about is a UFO sighting outside of Roswell, New Mexico.
So this is exciting. This was December twenty seventh. This was written
up by Roger Marsh, who was the director of Communications for Moufon who writes
about Moufon's stories or sightings on our website. And this one took place December
twenty seventh. It was a guy driving in an RV. I guess he's
driving across country. I don't think he gave details there, but he's outside
of town and he sees something, you know, fifty sixty feet off the
ground and he's wondering what the heck this thing is. Eventually he thought then
it was a large metal bar, but as he got closer, he said
he could tell it was a large triangle. It moved down to about twenty
five feet off the ground and it was there for a while while him and
his wife were looking or his sister was sitting back there looking at this UFO
wondering what the hell this is. He finally realized, oh man, I've
got my camera right over here. He goes to grab the camera and it's
gone. So yeah, really interesting sighting right outside of Oswell. Is this
like two weeks in a row someone that happened to No, the other guy
got pictures, but when he put gas in his car, the thing took
off or something. Yeah, exactly. He got a picture, but the
object was really far off and so you couldn't really make much out of the
picture. But yeah, he felt that that was a triangular shaped object as
well. So it does seem and we've got some more stories. Does seem
like there's a lot of triangular UFO sightings out these days, it does,
you know. I think the saucer went out of style, went out of
fashion, and the new model, the twenty fifteen in our time model is
the triangle. Yeah. And you know a lot of people say, no,
those are government but you know, it's it's been in my experience because
I've done a lot of research here, these ideas that we're flying these triangles
that can hover and then move off quickly. There's no evidence that we are
creating something like this. There's this kind of urban legend of something called the
TR three B, but there was a TR three A with that was a
prototype kind of ship, and that's been known, you can go look that
up. But there is no TR three B that's known about and that there
has been no evidence that something like that's been developed. So these are unexplained
objects, these triangular UFOs. We don't know where they come from. Yeah,
So what else is happening. Yeah, and a location of another big
UFO case that's the Rendalstrom Force. There's a video that was posted to YouTube
of these three balls of lights. They kind of flash, there's a military
helicopter following these three balls of lights around and kind of a weird video.
However, a lot of people are very skeptical about this video. It's one
of these things where it's posted on YouTube on an account that was just created.
So it seems like this account was just created only to post this video,
and a lot of people are feeling like a lot of researchers are feeling
like this could be in preparation for a new movie coming out called the UFO
Rendalsham Incident. And this is a fiction movie about the Randalsham Forest, and
they even say it's not about the original things, but it's about you know,
you aliens chasing people on the forest or something. And so a lot
of people feel this is probably a publicity thing for that upcoming movie. Wow,
was there also a citing in Phoenix Phoenix Lights? Well, no,
there while there was that whole publicity thing recently. Oh that's funny you say
that, because yeah, remember not too long ago, this day David Collins
guy, and we called he tweeted us trying to convince us otherwise. But
there was a story that came out recently. Well, they wrote a press
release about this movie coming out, and they even said we've been doing some
viral stuff to try to get this move out there for marketing, and we're
going to be doing some more. And it confirmed that that was some marketing
for their movie. So yeah, they're going to be doing more. So
we're going to have to be on the lookout for that for sure. Sure.
So what else is happening? So the final story, and this is
really cool, The Blackfault. We most recently talked about that with the Bluebook
Files, but John Greenwald, who runs this, they have something else that
they got going on here. The Black Vault is helping to sponsor a UFO
detector software. So this software, assuming it works, is really cool.
So it's created by these people called Project ce the cecians for Connecting Evidence.
They want to remain again anonymous in the creation of this, but this is
a program you can download and install on your computer and then what it'll do
is you take your USB webcam, you put it out your window and this
thing will monitor the webcam and whenever something flies across the screen, it will
analyze it to find out if it's like a bird or a plane. If
it doesn't know what it is, it'll record the video of this thing so
you can look at it later. So yeah, pretty cool. So what
they're doing with this software too, is they want you to submit, Like,
if it records an object and you're like, well, that's obviously a
bird, you can submit a picture of that object to the developers so they
can adjust the software so it's more and more accurate, so it doesn't get
what they call false positives, so it doesn't record birds and mundane things.
But it only captures videos of UFOs. It records in high definition, and
it's a free download. So I was just going to ask you how much
it was. Yeah. Absolutely, yep. Wow, so really cool.
So this is exciting, especially if it works. I'm hopefully it. You
know, it may help people get a lot more really good UFO videos.
So it can record day night. You can have this thing running all day
and night. I'm going to do this. I'm going to get a hook
up a webcam and do this at home and have it just you know,
monitoring the above my apartment complex and see what I can get, but real
easy to use. I've got some screenshots here. I have links to the
projects ce site. But John Greenwald has a support site on the Black Volte
for this that has some really good instructions, and he also has a forum
because part of this is they want to create a community where people are submitting
their videos. Everybody's kind of analyzing the videos as a commune unity and then
also giving feedback, asking questions so we can together kind of investigate and find
some good videos. Awesome. I wonder if this single will record a flying
squirrel went across. I bet it would. It probably would, but it
wouldn't Hopefully it wouldn't save the video because it's not a UFO. That would
be an identified line, that would be an I F S and identified flying
squirrel. I'm always saying this because I'm squirrel infested up here in the mountain.
Squirrels. Squirrels are fun. All right, Thanks a lot, and
stay tuned after this tune by Bruce Rainier and this is Sam Morano coming up.
Welcome back, Sam. Wow, that was interesting. The music,
Yeah, and the conversation with Alejandro. Yes. Always it's a pleasure having
him on, and it's a pleasure having you back. For those who have
not heard Sam before. If you're a new listener, Sam helped out for
a while on the show. He's been a guest a couple of times and
always has a lot of fascinating things to say, a lot of fun.
I consider him a good friend and I'm glad you're doing well. What's going
on in the Midwest. Well, I'll tell you what. If the old
boy could just stay on his two feet, he'd be doing better, I
tell you. On Tuesdays, my new routine is to schedule myself to fall.
I fell yesterday on ice. I did a side. I did this
little thing like I don't know. It was kind of weird and some miraklen
and break a show in the process. But sure enough, black eyes got
me. Last week did a similar thing without the ice. Somehow I forgot
to. You know, remember there was eighteen inches of stairs between my next
step and took a spill there. But I tell you, the winter has
been unusually peaceful for the most part, and so have the reports. So
the reports that have been coming in, none of which have fallen into our
lap. Being very gracefully unique and just so stunning that we have to run
out and leave our mucklucks in the you know, in the closet because they're
so interesting. But we are getting some reports, many of them having to
do with, of course, lights in the sky, and you know,
the thing is the notorious lights in the sky. Anything at a distance could
seem peculiar depending on your perspective, and of course you're biased. The other
thing that we get is, of course the complete opposite that it's mundane.
That of course, just because it's out there and it does seem unusual and
it is moving unusual, well, it's just something very prosaic and that you
know. The thing is it doesn't hurt the file report, especially if we
find out that somebody closer noticed something a little more unusual because of their perspective.
And then that other case can add or i should say report, because
it doesn't really become a case until it's investigated. That report adds a little
more credence, possibly to the better perspective or observation. So folks out there
that maybe hesitant to file a report, you know, if there's some merit
that they feel it's worthwhile go to move on dot com. File a report
and you're going to get a call back, and either way you'll get some
idea what you you did not see or what you may have seen. You
know, Sam, I the last show, I announced that, well,
I quietly said that I've been hesitant to talk about second sighting because I feel
like, you know, I've talked many times about the sighting I had,
but I was feeling like if I mentioned that I saw something else unusual,
that it would hurt my cred a little bit. But I got I think
about four or five emails of people saying, go ahead, tell me what
what did? What did you see? So sure, so I'm just going
to say it. And and it could be as you're saying, could be
something totally prosaic something, but it was kind of hard to explain. I
was in walking in a golf course at night. I was living on a
golf course about a year ago, yes, a year ago, and so
I was out at night and I saw what I thought was it looked like
the size of like a star moving and I thought, well, it's a
big satellite. And then I thought, wow, it's a real big satellite.
But it was moving like one and so I was thinking, well,
this thing's so big, it's got to be the International Space Station or something.
I just couldn't figure out what it was. And then all of a
sudden, it did these couple of weird maneuvers and I go, oh,
my god, I'm not really seeing this, am I? And so I
took out my iPhone I had at the time and filmed it, and I
looked at when I got home. You could just barely see this little line,
you know, moving but you couldn't tell whether it was a camera shake
or you know, it was actually moving in the sky. So that was
so I won't get any more email. I don't think about that. I'm
not going to say it was. It was unidentified to me, but I
don't know it was. But it was nothing like the first sighting I had,
or possibly the only real sighting I had. Did you talk about that
much, because that is a good sighting. Oh yeah, yeah. I
brought that up for the listener who hasn't heard. I don't want to keep
repeating myself, but basically, I was in a hot tub and guess I
got teased about that, was not drinking at the time, and this perfectly
shaped disc with a little bluish silver tint came right over me. And the
thing that I had never heard about or known about at the time was it
made absolutely no sound, and to me, that was the most baffling.
I kept waiting to hear something, and then it took off on a right
angle toward Monterey. I was in Carmel Valley, California. Took off toward
Monterey, and I called the police department, and I was sort of ridiculed
about it and put on hold for twenty minutes and hung up. So that's
basically the whole ordeal. But whatever it was, it certainly was nothing that
I had could ever call that was something earthly. You know it'd be if
it was, then it's being kept totally secret from us out there. Well,
you know, I had a call once. I had a conversation with
a a a lady who was a secretary and pretending to some business I was
working on at that time, and she was telling me about an experience she
had and I'm trying to think of it as where it was always Melibu and
it was between I was near the coast, between two mountains or whatever in
that vicinity. Uh, And they decided to have a fire in the evening.
They built this fire and they just get it started. And then it
was some ways, you know, off from the cabin that belonged to some
friends of their. It's not necessarily that far, you know, within close
walking distance. They just started and all of a sudden they seen these two
these two points of light appearing at intervals, let's say, almost parallel,
over the peaks of the two mountains on each side of them. They watched
it, and what had happened is they started to head towards each other to
becoming directly overhead. And then they became directly overhead. While they were moving
up, they starting to began to hear the coyotes yiping and yelling and carrying
on. Then all of a sudden, as this progression of these two lights
start to come together, there was this buzzing of Like they said, it
was as if they were being swarmed by insects or bees. And I've heard
this many a time in close encounters or being a very close, a close
proximity to an object such as an a UFO, a genuine UFO, and
it's progressing and progressing that all of a sudden, when they come together directly
overhead, or there's this humongous beam of light that just shines down and it's
just wow. And all of a sudden they feel they were knocked out,
wake up, look at each other, and running out of the house is
the woman who owned the place, and she goes, what was that?
What happened? What happened? And they all look at her, and they
look down and the fire that they had just started, this huge bonfire,
was nothing but ashes and cinder, So they had the time missing. That's
very much like the alligash. Yes, yes, very much. In fact,
that she was telling me that I was of the very same case,
and they swore to each other Martin that they would never tell anybody about this.
And how I befriend her to least gain her confidence into talking about this
was the week prior. I have nocturnal cognition, and for a series of
nights it was really being active on unusual things. And usually I would wake
up and I would say a few words Sam's you know, gibberish in the
morning, but they were all relevant to what transpired further on in the day.
And I woke up that day and I said red Cat and Julie's looking
at me, and she's like, red Kennegan, I don't know what it
is, but it's something. It has something to do with something. So
this very same person, mind you, Now, this is like a week
or two earlier. We start talking and she was a secretary, so she
was the person that to go through to talk to. I had a business
relationship with, and so we got to talk quite a bit and we started
talking, you know, all sorts of things, and I says, well,
what did you do this weekend? She goes, You'd never guess what
happened to me. I was by my friend's house and her cat had kittens,
and they were all just so beautiful, but one in particularly, it
was just so unusual you never guess what color it was. And I go
red, and all of a sudden, there was this lull, and she
goes, how did you know that? Wow? And from that point on
we started talking about we started talking about unusual experiences, paranormal experiences, or
experiences working at a haunted hotel. Upon I believe it was an Oregon and
it was interesting to hear about it. And then soon later, I,
you know, I think it was no more than six months ago, I
actually seen something on one of the shows, pretending to the very location she
was at, and she was telling me about it was very interesting. So
this woman eventually told you about this amazing sighting you were just yes, And
that was the last time I got to speak to her. But the way
she built it up, and you could tell she's she was actually afraid to
talk about it, but she gave it in such details that you know when
somebody described something. And this I think goes back to the value of the
oral tradition. It's so impreded to us. I think it's part of our
physiology more so than our psychology. Who knows, but you know, I
think this goes way back to being sitting around the campfire and telling stories.
And when she's giving me she's painting this picture with her beautiful words. I
get this whole image. And the sound. I know this sound. I
know the sound of what she was talking about, and I can relate to
this. The sound of the swarming sound of bees or insects around here,
and the yiping of coyotes. These are things I can relate to. And
in the background, hearing the crackling of the fire. Then all of a
sudden, to this apex. There's these two adjoining lights and an instant beam,
and I could just feel the energy because I've been there. I know
what she's talking about, and I know many people out there listen to us
right now can relate to it. If not so in a personal experience,
that may be somebody they know. Yeah, wow, well yeah, I
don't remember the details of your citing that. I just wanted to say to
the listen live listener out there right now. You can jump in our chat
room if you'd like to send Sam a question or or talk between yourselves whatever.
It's at podcastufo dot com right on the sidebar. Two clicks to get
it in. And so Sam and I are going to be talking about UFOs
in general, some Illinois and Midwestern UFO encounters over the years. And then
in the second hour, what did you say we're going to do. We're
gonna get get freaky. We're going to talk about the freaky Okay, So
so stay tuned for that. And if you're not a subscriber, for only
a dollar a month, which is about twenty three cents a week, you
can listen to the full show. If you're just listening to this part on
a podcast. So Sam from here, would you like to talk about I
want to I want you to tell me why you know about this, uh,
this buzzing sound? Are you did you have a similar experience? Yes,
I've had a similar experience years back when I was a child. I
was having what we'd probably referred to as encounters these beings and whatever else was
out there. This is the sound I heard. This was prior to having
tanightis, and I hear it all the time. But it's a different version
of the buzzing. This is more of a ringing tonitis but it's like whirling
insects around you, and you could hear it, and it's the sound of
it. Isn't okay for those of you had toniitis, you know it's a
constant buzzing sound, but imagine insects. Have you ever been a near a
beehive or something like that, but magnified, you know, much greater and
swirling around you, where there's depth and you feel that there's motion going on.
So this was going on around them. And the yiping of coyotes during
the Tinley Park case to allude to that right real quick. There was yiping
in fact, and some of the video footage. You actually had the the
dogs barking and people's oh, oh, it's because there were people around.
Now, it wasn't because people around. They were barking at a distance too,
and it seemed like they were all yiping and barking, and further off
in the parks or some of these hollows where you have lakes and stuff,
you could hear the howling, the coyotes howling. Something was getting their attention.
And this was prior to these things being directly overhead where they were able
to see and the illuminations of the potentially were possibly a massive triangle or some
unusually massive object. Now other sounds that people. Some people were getting interference,
as you recall, on the FM band on there it was like a
next helphone with radio and they were getting interference. In fact that those nextel
phones didn't work when it came to that radio mode. Some people were actually
getting some unusual uh chatter and talk on baby monitors. And you know this
was wasn't because they had just seen what was the movie signs. So you
know, it's funny how our movies do reflect actual things that take place in
this field. So this was going on now as far as the swirling sounds,
no one heard that that I heard, you know, I never heard
anybody mentioning it in that case. But in the other cases, yes,
where people were close to objects or the objects seem to come down upon them,
And many a time you hear you hear about this, this very brilliant
light shining down and enveloping them, whether attractor beams or of whatever transpires.
One thing that does take place with anything that's altering gravity, and we think
that this is part of the science behind the physics behind the unidentified or you
know, the actual thing you're going to have an effect on time. It
does affect time. And the same thing with genuine crop glyphs, slash crop
circles or whatever. You get reports of the effect of time loss or time
altered. One other thing that I don't know if I ever talked to you
about, the time loss seems to be regained at some point as if it's
elastic, like stretching out a rubber band. Now have you heard that before.
This is kind of strange on three instances, and I'll tell you two
of them. Part of the case that will be talking talking about later is
what I referred to as the freaky, a gentleman who is one of the
key figures in this case that I worked on for many years. He was
where was this at in by oh He was leading from northern Wisconsin going to
close to Lake Superior. He was some ways off, but yet not as
as long as his trip actually ended up taking. It was a well plotted
and known length and time as far as his journey. This guy sees a
triangular uf ufo by the side of the road, pulls over and watches this
thing just sitting there next to a barn. It was large. It wasn't
a massive one that was miles long, but one that you know, obviously
very big, hundreds of feet had below the exterior in the bottom. What
would be like if you were to take a oh, a ping pong ball,
cut it in half and place it it near each corner and you have
it swirling around with self aluminous iridescence or or oval leescence like shampoo or something
like that, an ovalescence yellowish white color but brilliant. And he says,
that's what it looked like. And that object sat there for some length of
time. He was just you know, it's just sat there and he says,
easily, he could have spent ten minutes. Then he jumped back in
his car. Thing was still there. You know, he's just like wow,
he's trying to get as much observation. He drew it, you know,
he drew the object. Well, it gets to his point of destination.
But it was some three hours later. That was not what normally taken
him. His wife had called over there, deathly afraid to see you know
what the end result was why he was missing. But here, all it
was was a loss of time. Now, was there an encounter during that
period of time, maybe, but three hours was lost. So within a
week or two after this experience, he lived in Michigan at the time,
excuse me, Minnesota at the time. He had to cut the lawn and
he had to do some other errands. His wife had to do the same.
And he's out there and he knew how long it would take, and
the time element would have came out to approxm me three hours to do everything
you need to do, And here he had everything done within a period of
a half hour. So the wife and both of them came together and they
go, wait a minute, how can this be? They looked at the
time, you know, from the time they started and the both of them
finishing their chores, and they knew how long it would have taken, and
they knew when it started, and they go, no, that just can't
be. And sure enough, that time that was missing for him came back,
but in this instance came back for both of them. Wow. Another
time a gentleman was actually a woman coming from Wyoming to visit her elderly father
and Dixon, Illinois and traveling down I eighty eight, which was at that
time I five, I believe, and coming in. She's on the road
and she notices up ahead some brilliant illuminations and she thought it was just some
sort of tower. As she's getting closer and closer, what it is is
not standing directly over the middle of the road, but moved off to her
right into a farm field and there was this unusual object with illuminations underneath it,
and it was hovering directly over the ground. She pulls over. Her
children are just terrified, a boy and a girl in the backseat, terrified.
She gets out and she's just staring at this and staring at it,
and she says, there are cars going past me, and it's like I'm
in my own world. Nobody else is paying attention. And not only are
they not paying attention to the object in the field, they aren't paying attention
to me. I'm waiving people and pointing to this, and they're not paying
attention to me, as if I'm not even there. Wow, like a
dead ghost or something exactly. Well. They get back in the car.
She looks down as she takes off, and she realizes the time she had
spent out there was substantially more than the time that she actually knew she was
out there. She shows up at the father's house and says, why are
you The father says, what took you so long? You call me from
this junction wherever she was in the last call, and here you are here
so much later than you normally would. And she tells him what she saw
and whatever, but it wouldn't account for a large amount of time, something
around an hour. And so she gets back to Wyoming the very next week.
Very next week she gets to go back to work. She kisses her
husband in the morning, closed the door, and off she goes. She
gets to work and as always, she calls him and as she states her
point from the disc that you know, the travel time is APPROXI me an
hour from the house to work. She calls him up. He grabs the
phone and he says, who is this, you know, and she says,
well, it's me. I'm here at work. And he goes and
says, that is absolutely, absolutely impossible. You just kissed me and I
could still hear the door that it's slammed. Oh wow, that's freaky,
very freaky. And we're supposed to save the freaky stuff for hour two.
Oh, it gets better. So there seems to be this effect of time
space by these encounters. So and I don't think it's psychological because apparently it's
recorded in say, for instance, even the mechanics of a clock or a
watch. So there is some sort of recordable variance that even affects, you
know, mechanisms. The case of the UFO car case of Vel Johnson's case
back in the eighties. His car was hit by what was either an energy
beam or actually some extension that was self luminous from an object or whatever,
or even some sort of unusual natural phenomena that may very well possess a similar
type of energy and let's say residual effect. It hit the car. I'm
not sure if are you aware of this case unless it's the one in Australia.
Now, this is the one in actually in Minnesota, Okay and ve
else police. He was a police officer and he was actually on a dispatch
to see what was going on out there. People reporting some unusual things or
it was a no. I think it was just a regular routine ride.
And he sees this object at a distance, this illumination. Didn't know as
an object and to this date we don't know, but we you know,
whatever it has to properties to bend things and effect things, so it's able
to cause some damage. This thing came right at him and he says it
felt like he was hit by a two hundred pound pillow. He was knocked
out, he woke up, his eyes were were out of focus and painful.
He says, it felt as if I had had Welder's flash. And
for those of you who ever encountered Welder's flash, it's very painful. Som
just thinking of it now, it hurts. And then he says, I
had the car was sitting sideways. The windshield was damaged, but it was
it was damaged. It was if it was imploded like the energy pulled it
out and in simultaneously Ford, I think it was Ford Motor Company, a
laboratory over there did He said there was at least eight hundred pages of final
texts on the series of tests that they ran on it in other groups,
and they said it's imposed. You could actually get the result in the laboratory,
but you have to do it independently, and it would take at least
two processes, not not at once and instantaneously. So whatever happened was was,
you know, no doubt, a phenomena and something they couldn't understand.
And the other thing is the physical effect him. His eyes were burnt,
his face and he had as if it looked like a second degree burned throughout
his face, an exposed area he was read helmuts reminds you of close encounters
the enamel on his teeth or damage. Yeah, to happen, I would
think, oh, sure, the animal is one of the most you know,
one of the strongest parts as far hardest parts of the body. It's
the mblet, the enamelt teeth, and here he has all these these cracks
and you know, heroline cracks. The antenna which was on a spring to
mechanism, So when it would hit something out there in the you know,
in Minnesota, a lot of things besides deer and birds and twigs. You're
going into areas you can lose an antenna once a week, and you're going
into some of these areas, so they have a spring and I think you've
seen them at the bottom of spring mechanisms. So it bends, so if
anything would have hit it, it would have been it would have you know,
wouldn't have damaged it. Well, there was nearly a forty five degree
angle bend. It was about thirty thirty eight degrees. I forget the exact
amount of degrees in the the antenna itself. The other interesting thing is the
insect crust that was on the exterior of the the antenna where it's you know,
was just caked up bug juice. That harden was actually molded around it
as if it was superheated instead of cracked. Very unusual really. And then
he looked at his watch, and the watch and the clock in the car
were exactly the same time off. In other words, they were both the
same but off. I think it was fifteen minutes or eighteen minutes. I
think it was eighteen minutes. They both were precisely off eighteen minutes. In
other words, they were the same, and he always kept a correct time.
That's the first thing he did he drove off in the morning was to
check the time and have it correct in the car and on his watch before
he went went on his patrol. And this is one of the best physical
trace cases. The car itself is in I forget is that Madison County?
Fair? Is that it? I think I know of this case now.
It took a while, but yes, I think this was actually investigated on
a show on a oh a couple of them. Yeah, but I think
I have the only video interview with Phil Johnson. I think I'm the only
person who has a video interview with him. Now. Is that online where
anybody can see it? No? In fact, hopefully I'm going to get
approval after or I edited it to get a right to release it in along
with volumes of things that I've accumulated in the last twenty years. So and
when I do that, I'll make sure to tell Premiere some of the excerpts
from it on your show. Okay, oh yeah, oh yeah, love
that. So let's see we have we have about ten minutes left, and
I wanted to talk about a couple of cases. You know, we've talked
about Tinley Park and oftentimes the the O'Hare sighting comes up, but let's talk
about some of the obscure ones. I was looking in some of the top
Illinois encounters over the years. And how about the Franklin Park sighting? Are
you familiar with that one? I think doctor Rodiger worked on that one.
I didn't work on at all. Okay, Well, that one's basically it
was boy scouts and they saw, you know, metallic pulsing saucer about twenty
feet in diameter. That was interesting. So what are some of the other
ones that you have worked on besides a Rockford didn't you work on that?
Yes, Rockford mass sighting And that was a mass sighting and I think there
was hundreds of people that saw it and it was orange orbs or something like
that, right, it was seeing well what it was, it was a
mass sighting that started actually on New Year's Eve of nineteen ninety nine. Everybody,
of course had the two thousand millennium concern. Oh yeah, all the
computers going down and everything going haywire, and oh no, the world's gonna
and all that kind of stuff. I remember that. Yeah, you probably
had probably have stuff stashed away somewhere from that, don't you no? But
you know what you know. I don't want to get way off topic,
but I knew a guy that bought a two hundred and fifty gallon oil tank,
put diesel in it, got the generator. He was he had machine
guns. Oh my god, was he He was pretty scary. And then
like two weeks later he dropped out of a heart attack. Oh my god.
Oh it didn't really help him too much. I think it was just
an excuse for him to do it. He wanted to do it anyway.
I a hot attack, mind you. But all the other toys, honey,
this is a good reason. I really got to get this now,
you know. Okay, Harold, just get the darn thing. All had
stores of food. He had like tons and tons of food. Was buying
food for a year. And oh I could see that a lot of people
did that. Yeah, yeah, crazy, huh. Yeah, my brother
did too. In fact, the funny thing we mentioned it he was he
was looking at the the rations that he had stored away. He goes,
I'm one of these already, good. I go, I don't know,
but I'm not going to try it. Oh you mean he still hasn't.
Yeah, I forgot what the shelf life on some of this stuff was was
pretty. He had. He had a great us. He's really good at
keeping things organized that way. Me. I tell you, anything anything chaotic
comes along, I guess I'm screwed, you know, anyway you look at
it, I don't know. I'm the first one to go. Yeah,
well, but I know the place I own. I am up on the
mountain there. The people were absolutely paranoid as well. And there's a bomb
shelter. There's a fire system with a water tower, I mean you know,
and the indoor pool was hooked into it. I mean they were just
they were ready for everything. Pretty amazing. It's pretty I'll tell you what
that is, kennedied, but you have to it is kennedyed. Yeah.
Maybe just play crazy like that for a week and have a party. Who
knows. Well, there was tornado warnings last summer, and I went down
into the bomb shelter, so that was kind of cool to have. Actually,
Oh yeah, well out here we have tornado warnings. You do want
to go low because they do hit. I don't know how many tornadoes you
get out in your neck of the woods, but week very rare out here.
It's try like tornado, Ellie. We were shooting Invasion, Illinois,
and I had secured a property for us to shoot it. In fact,
a gentleman's a county police officer, sergeant, and that owned the property.
So we got out there and you know, hill Burns. Most of these
guys are from the you know, East coast and West coast, and they've
never never seen anything like tornadoes. And we had like three of them that
evening. They were just shooken by, you know, just like wow,
Sam, this is you know, and this really is tornado, Elliot,
Oh yeah it is. And I remember remember the sound guy putting on the
you know here, he's listening to make sure the audio is correct, and
he's got the mics. All of a sudden, this crack of lightning goes
right outside just you know, a couple hundred feet away, and in instantaneous,
raw raw of thunder throughout the the pole barn that we were in.
This poor guy, those the cans on his head just popped right off.
He'd have to lift them, and he's like, ah, you know,
I'm like, oh, sounds good. Oh yeah, they got that.
That sounds perfect. So tell me about that. Was that a series or
was that a one time documentary or what or that was the first episode.
In fact, you'll see it if you ever watched the repeats on the History
Channel of UFO Hunters. That was two thousand and one. Yeah. Yeah,
I worked on five episodes as a consultant, but the ones that I
actually had a chance cameo, and of course were the ones that I was
actually involved on an investigative researcher, and that would have been Tim Lee Park
and that's Invasion Illinois aliens at the airport. That was the ol'd haair case
in conjunction with other UFO cases at airports and related to aviation. And that
was good. That was a very good episode. You know. The funny
thing is it was a great show. It was starting to lose I could
see it, you know, in the end, it was starting to lose
its appeal. And they were already I think working on ancient as they had
that maybe even had the pilot and the cann I don't know, they may
have been already had that, you know. And the other thing is consider
what took the time slot was uh, Pawn Stars. My god, that
is one of the best shows on television period. I mean, what are
we going into our seventh season on that one? My god? I wish
I was involved in that. Yeah, that's rigged by the way it's rigged,
is right. Yeah, I mean I have inside news on that.
That's a whole nother, whole other story. I don't want to get about
that. I'm assuming they have to because people with that, with that much
interesting stuff, just don't make their way into pawnshops one way after another for
an episode at the centera all day and that's costly. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, no, there's some time off here. I'll tell you that.
It's a real funny story about a specialistate that I know that they hired and
they talked for a d him exactly like the words she wrote. It was
pretty funny. Oh yeah, let's see, we got about five minutes left,
and I want you to tell us a little bit about the Rockford siting.
You know, some details on that. The detail about the Rockford sitting,
you know, and this is a very significant mass sighting, one that
just fell off the face of the earth, and it all ties in with
the Southern Illinois siding, which ties into the rock the Tinley Park sighting.
These objects that we're seeing may very well have been the large triangular objects the
same. But this happened in like I said, going into two thousand and
as you know, January fourth and January fifth of that year was the sightings
down in southern Illinois that got all the attention simply because of it was being
you know, being followed and reported by police officers. Strange thing enough,
strangely enough, up in Rockford, we had not just hundreds of witnesses,
but thousands of witnesses on multiple nights. There was as many as thirteen nights
of mass sightings, nine of which that we feel have merit, and at
least five of those genuine. There were photographs taken. These photographs are relatively
similar to other craft that have been recorded, and there is videotape. Again,
you have these illuminations in the sky, you have orange orbs, and
they're not conventional aircraft. The other thing was during this sighting we had other
sightings going on in the Midwest, out in the quad Cities and all over
the world, even on the Island of Man. So that night was pretty
active all over the world. What the heck was going on? I have
no idea, but apparently maybe they got the bug too, like, oh
no, our computers are going to go down, We're going to crash.
I don't know either way. Things were going on that could not be accountable
as conventional or Chinese lanterns or flares on balloons, all that malarchy though I
think at least three of those were hoaxes later on, But you know,
during that, during that whole episode, we had a meeting, you know,
at a Borders I think it was Borders bookstore. We had eighty some
people show up. The press was there, and people were It got to
the point we couldn't even get enough people could enough accommodate the people that were
there. It was just crazy. And when they were there, people were
telling us stories of accounts that they had nothing to do with this. How
for years they had out there and little did I know, but the history
of UFO sightings on the Borderline area in the Rockford area of Rockdale, now
all this area, they go way back. They go back well before nineteen
forty seven, though nineteen forty seven was a peak year too, but some
farmers were These old farmers in their eighties were telling us of accounts that they
seen things in their land, in their fields, and they knew about their
parents talking about things landing in the fields and flying around that were UFO's,
flying saucers, whatever you want to call them. So this was a hot
area that's ignored by most people because of course it's Illinois, and if you're
within you know, a mile or two of a farm and fleet or some
farm implement store. Of course, wacky. That's the attitude some of these
people take, and what I find interesting. Similar events took place, of
course in Jersey soon thereafter, in Newark in July and the Cadret sightings.
You may have seen the man heard about the Mass sightings Caroette Caret. This
is the same thing that went on during that same period of time, but
yet that got credence. This didn't get as much, but yet further south
and the police officers saw, you know, just a day later or four
days of it later. It became big news, and of course Discovery Channel
did a special on it. Daryl Barker did that, did a very good
documentary and still does. Finding more witnesses to this case down there in southern
Illinois. Wow, all right, well Sam, well that's the first hour.
So again we're going into the kind of that freaky weird stuff in hour
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