WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:03.200 And it hits me, Oh my gosh, this is that triangle. You 2 00:00:03.240 --> 00:00:07.280 know, there's explanation for everything that occurred in the Randal Schampars incident that doesn't 3 00:00:07.320 --> 00:00:12.199 involve aliens at all. It was completely silent. It comes right over our 4 00:00:12.240 --> 00:00:17.160 heads. It's so classic Gli Sorcier. Really standing in the cleary, he 5 00:00:17.239 --> 00:00:19.839 turned over to my father and held his hand, and he looked in his 6 00:00:19.839 --> 00:00:27.800 eyes and said, we're not alone. Welcome to Podcast UFO for our live 7 00:00:27.879 --> 00:00:32.759 show. We're live every Wednesday at eight pm Eastern Standard Time on the Dark 8 00:00:32.840 --> 00:00:39.320 Matter Radio Network. Please remember to visit the website podcastufo dot com for past 9 00:00:39.359 --> 00:00:44.240 episodes, blogs and forums. During the show, feel free to participate live 10 00:00:44.280 --> 00:00:48.280 in our chat room, and don't forget to like us on our very active 11 00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:52.880 Facebook page. Hello everyone, this is Martin Willishaw host and we have a 12 00:00:52.880 --> 00:00:57.399 great show coming up for you this evening with our guests a good friend of 13 00:00:57.399 --> 00:01:02.960 mine out in the Chicago area, Amaranto. You may remember him as Sam 14 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:08.239 helped out here between the UFO newscasters, and he'll be coming up after Alejandro 15 00:01:08.319 --> 00:01:12.000 Rojas from Open Minds Radio. He's going to be telling us about the latest 16 00:01:12.079 --> 00:01:17.159 UFO events. We have some new T shirts available on our website and they're 17 00:01:17.200 --> 00:01:22.000 pretty awesome. They have a great image UFO Crash site by James Nathan. 18 00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:26.200 He has given us the rights to use that image and so for twenty five 19 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:30.120 dollars right on our website you can buy a T shirt all different sizes, 20 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:34.519 free shipping. We'll have to work out European shipping and around the world. 21 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:37.280 I don't know what the cost will be for that, but we'll figure that 22 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:42.840 out. Check it out on podcast UFO. Well, what better place does 23 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:48.159 anyone have to complain but on their own podcast. And last week I had 24 00:01:48.200 --> 00:01:55.760 moved our domain podcastufo dot com to a dedicated server because of traffic. And 25 00:01:55.799 --> 00:01:59.200 if you're a subscriber through joyride, that will not affect you in any way. 26 00:01:59.239 --> 00:02:02.079 It didn't affect you last week, but if you're a regular listener on 27 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:07.280 our website or on iTunes, Stitcher and all that, I do apologize. 28 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:13.080 The show just went up on Monday. Last Wednesday, after the last podcast, 29 00:02:13.879 --> 00:02:17.599 I couldn't upload the podcast because of the new server settings, and I 30 00:02:17.639 --> 00:02:23.960 spent most of the night with a hostgater trying to figure that out, and 31 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:30.159 it never got fixed and I spent at least ten hours with our customer service 32 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:36.879 and tech over the last week and finally got fixed on Monday. I'm still 33 00:02:36.919 --> 00:02:39.560 having a lot of syntax herrors, name server errors and all that stuff, 34 00:02:39.560 --> 00:02:45.840 but I think it will be okay for now. I was accidentally hung up 35 00:02:45.879 --> 00:02:51.120 on five times by hostgater support, and each time it went into a survey 36 00:02:51.199 --> 00:02:54.759 asking if I would recommend hostgater to a friend. Let me just say this, 37 00:02:54.919 --> 00:03:00.000 I wouldn't want to recommend them to an enemy. At this point, 38 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:06.159 I'm really upset with this whole situation. Hopefully it'll be ironed out and the 39 00:03:06.159 --> 00:03:09.599 show will get straightened out. And just one more thing before we bring Alejandro 40 00:03:09.719 --> 00:03:15.000 on. If you want to subscribe to hear the second Hour as a podcast, 41 00:03:15.159 --> 00:03:20.319 go to get Joyride dot com slash podcast ufo. The link is right 42 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:23.639 on our website as well. Subscribers pay a dollar a month of more to 43 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:28.800 access the full two hour show, and that includes a private link you can 44 00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:32.479 use for iTunes on your iPhone and all kinds of media players. And if 45 00:03:32.479 --> 00:03:37.919 you have any questions of problems, just email me at Martin at podcastufo dot 46 00:03:37.960 --> 00:03:39.560 com. And by the way, my email is not quite straightened out. 47 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:45.719 It's almost fixed. I am getting some of the emails and so hopefully all 48 00:03:45.759 --> 00:03:49.560 will be straightened out. And that's enough complaining for me. But boy does 49 00:03:49.599 --> 00:03:53.879 it feel good? Alejandro, was that too much? No? It is 50 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:59.560 okay. Yeah, I'm not a real Debbie Downer. No, I'm not 51 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:04.159 bummed at all by that. Unfortunately, good customer service is hard to come 52 00:04:04.199 --> 00:04:10.919 by. Yeah, it's been something else. But anyway, hopefully it'll be 53 00:04:10.919 --> 00:04:15.560 all set. And let's talk about what's going on out there. You're getting 54 00:04:15.600 --> 00:04:20.360 busy and ready for the for the upcoming UFO Congress. I'm making arrangements to 55 00:04:20.360 --> 00:04:26.199 be out there. I'm pretty excited. Yeah, so am I I'm really 56 00:04:26.240 --> 00:04:30.879 excited. I just I think I've said this before. I just love, 57 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:34.839 you know, these people being able to share their information, people that you've 58 00:04:34.879 --> 00:04:39.759 interviewed, and you know, I think it's hit or miss always, just 59 00:04:39.800 --> 00:04:44.879 like when you have someone on you don't know. I think it's a good 60 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:47.800 thing to do someone who does some work but you're not familiar with them or 61 00:04:48.439 --> 00:04:53.720 or you know how well they're able to articulate their work. But there's so 62 00:04:53.800 --> 00:05:00.000 many times where you're pleasantly surprised, and I love just featuring the great heart, 63 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:03.560 hard work by so many people out there, you know, that are 64 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:09.759 really into this topic and take it very seriously. So it's always really exciting. 65 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:13.279 You know, we always like to present people that aren't out there on 66 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:16.439 the circuit. I think it's unfortunate that most of the conferences have the same 67 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:24.720 people because they're just so fearful of having someone different. So I love doing 68 00:05:24.759 --> 00:05:28.360 that and often, you know, the speakers that we have end up being 69 00:05:28.360 --> 00:05:30.519 the new people on the circuit, bringing in new blood. I think maybe 70 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:34.480 some of the people who are regular on the circuit maybe get frustrated by that, 71 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:38.879 but you know, it's fair and it's good, and some of them 72 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:43.439 who are genuine, you know, researchers and love the field are happy to 73 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:48.120 have new blood coming in and sharing new information and new perspectives. So I'm 74 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:51.839 extremely excited mainly to share the information with people. And we have a lot 75 00:05:51.839 --> 00:05:57.439 of great speakers. Yeah, I've always tried to get unique and new speakers 76 00:05:57.480 --> 00:06:00.000 on this show. And you know, sometimes you know, watch the downloads. 77 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:04.879 Sometimes the downloads aren't that popular, but still, you know, I 78 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:10.279 just think it is it is good to shine a new light on you know 79 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:15.120 the subject when you find someone new, Well what I found and you probably 80 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:17.319 do too. We've got kind of an audience who's going to be there no 81 00:06:17.360 --> 00:06:21.920 matter what. And that's what's great. They'll listen, maybe they won't like 82 00:06:23.040 --> 00:06:25.959 it, and they'll say that, and you'll you'll have a little bit of 83 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:30.399 a of a less listeners and you know, maybe get some feedback. But 84 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:33.959 what's great is often you know, they'll still give it a chance because they 85 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:40.199 like listening to the show and uh, and then they're happily surprised by you 86 00:06:40.240 --> 00:06:45.040 know, how great someone is or the great information that they have, and 87 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:47.839 and you're introducing someone new to people, and that's that's awesome. Well, 88 00:06:47.879 --> 00:06:51.879 I got to tell you, ever since I've been on your show way back, 89 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:55.800 I think it was a year and a half ago, my show has 90 00:06:56.759 --> 00:07:01.519 instantly grew up by one grew one third for downloads right after that, and 91 00:07:01.600 --> 00:07:04.319 so I think we share a lot of the same listeners. Matter of fact, 92 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:08.439 someone emailed me the other day they said they're they're kind of listening to 93 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:13.720 the same UFO News twice, but they don't care. So that's just funny, 94 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:16.519 and it's with a different uh, you know, straight guy, because 95 00:07:16.560 --> 00:07:24.120 you're my straight guy on this and Jason is on our show, so so 96 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:28.720 that means it's different jokes, a little slightly different sense of humor, but 97 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:32.680 and different takes on because then you'll have, you know, interesting questions regarding 98 00:07:32.720 --> 00:07:36.639 the news that of course we wouldn't have on our show. So it's still 99 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:41.439 good and I agree with you. I think we have a similar sensibility to 100 00:07:41.600 --> 00:07:46.959 this. We agree so much on uh and have similar perspectives on the whole 101 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:49.240 thing. Right, ho, So what is going on this week? Has 102 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:53.639 it been? Uh? Has it been a busy week? It's been an 103 00:07:53.720 --> 00:07:58.920 interesting week. It has been somewhat busy, and it's been a real weird, 104 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:01.680 interesting week, which is good. So yeah, I have a couple 105 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:07.040 of sightings and then kind of a new new cool story and that has to 106 00:08:07.079 --> 00:08:11.920 do with John Greenwald. So but something completely different than what's been going on 107 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:16.439 here. Okay, but yeah, fuke stories here. So the first one 108 00:08:16.519 --> 00:08:20.600 I want to talk about is a UFO sighting outside of Roswell, New Mexico. 109 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:24.560 So this is exciting. This was December twenty seventh. This was written 110 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:28.920 up by Roger Marsh, who was the director of Communications for Moufon who writes 111 00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:35.080 about Moufon's stories or sightings on our website. And this one took place December 112 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:39.200 twenty seventh. It was a guy driving in an RV. I guess he's 113 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:43.240 driving across country. I don't think he gave details there, but he's outside 114 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:48.480 of town and he sees something, you know, fifty sixty feet off the 115 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:54.399 ground and he's wondering what the heck this thing is. Eventually he thought then 116 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:56.840 it was a large metal bar, but as he got closer, he said 117 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:03.080 he could tell it was a large triangle. It moved down to about twenty 118 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:05.840 five feet off the ground and it was there for a while while him and 119 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:11.360 his wife were looking or his sister was sitting back there looking at this UFO 120 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:15.919 wondering what the hell this is. He finally realized, oh man, I've 121 00:09:15.919 --> 00:09:20.879 got my camera right over here. He goes to grab the camera and it's 122 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:26.720 gone. So yeah, really interesting sighting right outside of Oswell. Is this 123 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:30.000 like two weeks in a row someone that happened to No, the other guy 124 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:33.240 got pictures, but when he put gas in his car, the thing took 125 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:35.039 off or something. Yeah, exactly. He got a picture, but the 126 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:39.519 object was really far off and so you couldn't really make much out of the 127 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:43.159 picture. But yeah, he felt that that was a triangular shaped object as 128 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:46.519 well. So it does seem and we've got some more stories. Does seem 129 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:50.559 like there's a lot of triangular UFO sightings out these days, it does, 130 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:52.559 you know. I think the saucer went out of style, went out of 131 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:58.879 fashion, and the new model, the twenty fifteen in our time model is 132 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:03.519 the triangle. Yeah. And you know a lot of people say, no, 133 00:10:03.679 --> 00:10:09.279 those are government but you know, it's it's been in my experience because 134 00:10:09.320 --> 00:10:13.519 I've done a lot of research here, these ideas that we're flying these triangles 135 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:18.159 that can hover and then move off quickly. There's no evidence that we are 136 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:20.799 creating something like this. There's this kind of urban legend of something called the 137 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:26.200 TR three B, but there was a TR three A with that was a 138 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:30.000 prototype kind of ship, and that's been known, you can go look that 139 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:33.279 up. But there is no TR three B that's known about and that there 140 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:39.039 has been no evidence that something like that's been developed. So these are unexplained 141 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:43.000 objects, these triangular UFOs. We don't know where they come from. Yeah, 142 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:48.039 So what else is happening. Yeah, and a location of another big 143 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:52.960 UFO case that's the Rendalstrom Force. There's a video that was posted to YouTube 144 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:56.039 of these three balls of lights. They kind of flash, there's a military 145 00:10:56.440 --> 00:11:01.399 helicopter following these three balls of lights around and kind of a weird video. 146 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:05.679 However, a lot of people are very skeptical about this video. It's one 147 00:11:05.679 --> 00:11:09.159 of these things where it's posted on YouTube on an account that was just created. 148 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:13.320 So it seems like this account was just created only to post this video, 149 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:18.240 and a lot of people are feeling like a lot of researchers are feeling 150 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:24.120 like this could be in preparation for a new movie coming out called the UFO 151 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:31.399 Rendalsham Incident. And this is a fiction movie about the Randalsham Forest, and 152 00:11:31.480 --> 00:11:35.559 they even say it's not about the original things, but it's about you know, 153 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:41.519 you aliens chasing people on the forest or something. And so a lot 154 00:11:41.559 --> 00:11:45.480 of people feel this is probably a publicity thing for that upcoming movie. Wow, 155 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:50.840 was there also a citing in Phoenix Phoenix Lights? Well, no, 156 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:56.559 there while there was that whole publicity thing recently. Oh that's funny you say 157 00:11:56.559 --> 00:12:00.720 that, because yeah, remember not too long ago, this day David Collins 158 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:03.639 guy, and we called he tweeted us trying to convince us otherwise. But 159 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:07.639 there was a story that came out recently. Well, they wrote a press 160 00:12:07.639 --> 00:12:11.000 release about this movie coming out, and they even said we've been doing some 161 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:13.399 viral stuff to try to get this move out there for marketing, and we're 162 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:18.879 going to be doing some more. And it confirmed that that was some marketing 163 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:22.279 for their movie. So yeah, they're going to be doing more. So 164 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:24.440 we're going to have to be on the lookout for that for sure. Sure. 165 00:12:24.799 --> 00:12:30.000 So what else is happening? So the final story, and this is 166 00:12:30.039 --> 00:12:33.519 really cool, The Blackfault. We most recently talked about that with the Bluebook 167 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:37.480 Files, but John Greenwald, who runs this, they have something else that 168 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:43.799 they got going on here. The Black Vault is helping to sponsor a UFO 169 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:50.039 detector software. So this software, assuming it works, is really cool. 170 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:56.840 So it's created by these people called Project ce the cecians for Connecting Evidence. 171 00:12:56.440 --> 00:13:01.720 They want to remain again anonymous in the creation of this, but this is 172 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:07.639 a program you can download and install on your computer and then what it'll do 173 00:13:07.799 --> 00:13:11.840 is you take your USB webcam, you put it out your window and this 174 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:18.399 thing will monitor the webcam and whenever something flies across the screen, it will 175 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:22.120 analyze it to find out if it's like a bird or a plane. If 176 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:26.919 it doesn't know what it is, it'll record the video of this thing so 177 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:31.320 you can look at it later. So yeah, pretty cool. So what 178 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:35.399 they're doing with this software too, is they want you to submit, Like, 179 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:39.320 if it records an object and you're like, well, that's obviously a 180 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:45.039 bird, you can submit a picture of that object to the developers so they 181 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:48.039 can adjust the software so it's more and more accurate, so it doesn't get 182 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:54.720 what they call false positives, so it doesn't record birds and mundane things. 183 00:13:54.919 --> 00:14:01.000 But it only captures videos of UFOs. It records in high definition, and 184 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:03.759 it's a free download. So I was just going to ask you how much 185 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:09.000 it was. Yeah. Absolutely, yep. Wow, so really cool. 186 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:13.600 So this is exciting, especially if it works. I'm hopefully it. You 187 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:18.879 know, it may help people get a lot more really good UFO videos. 188 00:14:18.960 --> 00:14:24.440 So it can record day night. You can have this thing running all day 189 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:26.320 and night. I'm going to do this. I'm going to get a hook 190 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:30.720 up a webcam and do this at home and have it just you know, 191 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:35.360 monitoring the above my apartment complex and see what I can get, but real 192 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:39.720 easy to use. I've got some screenshots here. I have links to the 193 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:45.960 projects ce site. But John Greenwald has a support site on the Black Volte 194 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:50.480 for this that has some really good instructions, and he also has a forum 195 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:54.360 because part of this is they want to create a community where people are submitting 196 00:14:54.440 --> 00:15:01.120 their videos. Everybody's kind of analyzing the videos as a commune unity and then 197 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:07.159 also giving feedback, asking questions so we can together kind of investigate and find 198 00:15:07.159 --> 00:15:11.720 some good videos. Awesome. I wonder if this single will record a flying 199 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:16.559 squirrel went across. I bet it would. It probably would, but it 200 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:20.000 wouldn't Hopefully it wouldn't save the video because it's not a UFO. That would 201 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:26.320 be an identified line, that would be an I F S and identified flying 202 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:31.039 squirrel. I'm always saying this because I'm squirrel infested up here in the mountain. 203 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:35.600 Squirrels. Squirrels are fun. All right, Thanks a lot, and 204 00:15:35.559 --> 00:16:47.000 stay tuned after this tune by Bruce Rainier and this is Sam Morano coming up. 205 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:11.599 Welcome back, Sam. Wow, that was interesting. The music, 206 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:17.720 Yeah, and the conversation with Alejandro. Yes. Always it's a pleasure having 207 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:22.119 him on, and it's a pleasure having you back. For those who have 208 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:26.519 not heard Sam before. If you're a new listener, Sam helped out for 209 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:30.559 a while on the show. He's been a guest a couple of times and 210 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:33.359 always has a lot of fascinating things to say, a lot of fun. 211 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:40.400 I consider him a good friend and I'm glad you're doing well. What's going 212 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:42.759 on in the Midwest. Well, I'll tell you what. If the old 213 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:47.319 boy could just stay on his two feet, he'd be doing better, I 214 00:17:47.400 --> 00:17:51.240 tell you. On Tuesdays, my new routine is to schedule myself to fall. 215 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:55.000 I fell yesterday on ice. I did a side. I did this 216 00:17:55.079 --> 00:17:59.279 little thing like I don't know. It was kind of weird and some miraklen 217 00:17:59.319 --> 00:18:02.759 and break a show in the process. But sure enough, black eyes got 218 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:07.519 me. Last week did a similar thing without the ice. Somehow I forgot 219 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:11.559 to. You know, remember there was eighteen inches of stairs between my next 220 00:18:11.559 --> 00:18:17.720 step and took a spill there. But I tell you, the winter has 221 00:18:17.799 --> 00:18:25.079 been unusually peaceful for the most part, and so have the reports. So 222 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:29.160 the reports that have been coming in, none of which have fallen into our 223 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:33.920 lap. Being very gracefully unique and just so stunning that we have to run 224 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:41.200 out and leave our mucklucks in the you know, in the closet because they're 225 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:47.599 so interesting. But we are getting some reports, many of them having to 226 00:18:47.640 --> 00:18:52.480 do with, of course, lights in the sky, and you know, 227 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:56.200 the thing is the notorious lights in the sky. Anything at a distance could 228 00:18:56.279 --> 00:19:03.640 seem peculiar depending on your perspective, and of course you're biased. The other 229 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:08.440 thing that we get is, of course the complete opposite that it's mundane. 230 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:14.519 That of course, just because it's out there and it does seem unusual and 231 00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:21.440 it is moving unusual, well, it's just something very prosaic and that you 232 00:19:21.480 --> 00:19:26.720 know. The thing is it doesn't hurt the file report, especially if we 233 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:34.920 find out that somebody closer noticed something a little more unusual because of their perspective. 234 00:19:36.359 --> 00:19:40.559 And then that other case can add or i should say report, because 235 00:19:40.599 --> 00:19:45.279 it doesn't really become a case until it's investigated. That report adds a little 236 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:53.480 more credence, possibly to the better perspective or observation. So folks out there 237 00:19:53.519 --> 00:19:59.519 that maybe hesitant to file a report, you know, if there's some merit 238 00:19:59.559 --> 00:20:03.680 that they feel it's worthwhile go to move on dot com. File a report 239 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:07.599 and you're going to get a call back, and either way you'll get some 240 00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:12.440 idea what you you did not see or what you may have seen. You 241 00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:17.400 know, Sam, I the last show, I announced that, well, 242 00:20:17.440 --> 00:20:23.960 I quietly said that I've been hesitant to talk about second sighting because I feel 243 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:27.720 like, you know, I've talked many times about the sighting I had, 244 00:20:27.759 --> 00:20:33.880 but I was feeling like if I mentioned that I saw something else unusual, 245 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:41.079 that it would hurt my cred a little bit. But I got I think 246 00:20:41.119 --> 00:20:45.440 about four or five emails of people saying, go ahead, tell me what 247 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:48.079 what did? What did you see? So sure, so I'm just going 248 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:52.359 to say it. And and it could be as you're saying, could be 249 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:57.720 something totally prosaic something, but it was kind of hard to explain. I 250 00:20:57.839 --> 00:21:00.640 was in walking in a golf course at night. I was living on a 251 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:04.960 golf course about a year ago, yes, a year ago, and so 252 00:21:06.039 --> 00:21:10.240 I was out at night and I saw what I thought was it looked like 253 00:21:11.440 --> 00:21:14.799 the size of like a star moving and I thought, well, it's a 254 00:21:14.839 --> 00:21:17.519 big satellite. And then I thought, wow, it's a real big satellite. 255 00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:22.759 But it was moving like one and so I was thinking, well, 256 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:26.240 this thing's so big, it's got to be the International Space Station or something. 257 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:29.359 I just couldn't figure out what it was. And then all of a 258 00:21:29.400 --> 00:21:33.160 sudden, it did these couple of weird maneuvers and I go, oh, 259 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:37.440 my god, I'm not really seeing this, am I? And so I 260 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:41.799 took out my iPhone I had at the time and filmed it, and I 261 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:44.599 looked at when I got home. You could just barely see this little line, 262 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:47.519 you know, moving but you couldn't tell whether it was a camera shake 263 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:51.640 or you know, it was actually moving in the sky. So that was 264 00:21:52.279 --> 00:21:55.799 so I won't get any more email. I don't think about that. I'm 265 00:21:55.799 --> 00:21:59.599 not going to say it was. It was unidentified to me, but I 266 00:21:59.599 --> 00:22:03.960 don't know it was. But it was nothing like the first sighting I had, 267 00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:07.759 or possibly the only real sighting I had. Did you talk about that 268 00:22:07.880 --> 00:22:10.160 much, because that is a good sighting. Oh yeah, yeah. I 269 00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:12.720 brought that up for the listener who hasn't heard. I don't want to keep 270 00:22:12.759 --> 00:22:17.119 repeating myself, but basically, I was in a hot tub and guess I 271 00:22:17.119 --> 00:22:22.359 got teased about that, was not drinking at the time, and this perfectly 272 00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:29.160 shaped disc with a little bluish silver tint came right over me. And the 273 00:22:29.200 --> 00:22:32.480 thing that I had never heard about or known about at the time was it 274 00:22:32.559 --> 00:22:36.960 made absolutely no sound, and to me, that was the most baffling. 275 00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:40.599 I kept waiting to hear something, and then it took off on a right 276 00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:48.039 angle toward Monterey. I was in Carmel Valley, California. Took off toward 277 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:51.319 Monterey, and I called the police department, and I was sort of ridiculed 278 00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:52.960 about it and put on hold for twenty minutes and hung up. So that's 279 00:22:53.759 --> 00:23:00.480 basically the whole ordeal. But whatever it was, it certainly was nothing that 280 00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:06.000 I had could ever call that was something earthly. You know it'd be if 281 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:11.480 it was, then it's being kept totally secret from us out there. Well, 282 00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:15.079 you know, I had a call once. I had a conversation with 283 00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:22.400 a a a lady who was a secretary and pretending to some business I was 284 00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:27.519 working on at that time, and she was telling me about an experience she 285 00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:33.680 had and I'm trying to think of it as where it was always Melibu and 286 00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:38.720 it was between I was near the coast, between two mountains or whatever in 287 00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:44.880 that vicinity. Uh, And they decided to have a fire in the evening. 288 00:23:44.920 --> 00:23:48.640 They built this fire and they just get it started. And then it 289 00:23:48.759 --> 00:23:52.839 was some ways, you know, off from the cabin that belonged to some 290 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:57.160 friends of their. It's not necessarily that far, you know, within close 291 00:23:57.200 --> 00:24:03.480 walking distance. They just started and all of a sudden they seen these two 292 00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:12.680 these two points of light appearing at intervals, let's say, almost parallel, 293 00:24:14.039 --> 00:24:19.079 over the peaks of the two mountains on each side of them. They watched 294 00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:25.240 it, and what had happened is they started to head towards each other to 295 00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:32.200 becoming directly overhead. And then they became directly overhead. While they were moving 296 00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:37.759 up, they starting to began to hear the coyotes yiping and yelling and carrying 297 00:24:37.880 --> 00:24:42.599 on. Then all of a sudden, as this progression of these two lights 298 00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:48.960 start to come together, there was this buzzing of Like they said, it 299 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:52.640 was as if they were being swarmed by insects or bees. And I've heard 300 00:24:52.640 --> 00:25:00.359 this many a time in close encounters or being a very close, a close 301 00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:07.680 proximity to an object such as an a UFO, a genuine UFO, and 302 00:25:07.720 --> 00:25:14.519 it's progressing and progressing that all of a sudden, when they come together directly 303 00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:21.480 overhead, or there's this humongous beam of light that just shines down and it's 304 00:25:21.519 --> 00:25:26.079 just wow. And all of a sudden they feel they were knocked out, 305 00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:33.480 wake up, look at each other, and running out of the house is 306 00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:36.519 the woman who owned the place, and she goes, what was that? 307 00:25:36.559 --> 00:25:40.720 What happened? What happened? And they all look at her, and they 308 00:25:40.759 --> 00:25:48.440 look down and the fire that they had just started, this huge bonfire, 309 00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:52.880 was nothing but ashes and cinder, So they had the time missing. That's 310 00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:57.039 very much like the alligash. Yes, yes, very much. In fact, 311 00:25:57.039 --> 00:26:00.680 that she was telling me that I was of the very same case, 312 00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:07.680 and they swore to each other Martin that they would never tell anybody about this. 313 00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:17.799 And how I befriend her to least gain her confidence into talking about this 314 00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:25.640 was the week prior. I have nocturnal cognition, and for a series of 315 00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:30.400 nights it was really being active on unusual things. And usually I would wake 316 00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:36.160 up and I would say a few words Sam's you know, gibberish in the 317 00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:40.640 morning, but they were all relevant to what transpired further on in the day. 318 00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:48.559 And I woke up that day and I said red Cat and Julie's looking 319 00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:51.400 at me, and she's like, red Kennegan, I don't know what it 320 00:26:51.480 --> 00:26:55.440 is, but it's something. It has something to do with something. So 321 00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:57.240 this very same person, mind you, Now, this is like a week 322 00:26:57.319 --> 00:27:03.480 or two earlier. We start talking and she was a secretary, so she 323 00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:07.640 was the person that to go through to talk to. I had a business 324 00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:11.720 relationship with, and so we got to talk quite a bit and we started 325 00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:15.160 talking, you know, all sorts of things, and I says, well, 326 00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:17.640 what did you do this weekend? She goes, You'd never guess what 327 00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:22.000 happened to me. I was by my friend's house and her cat had kittens, 328 00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:26.480 and they were all just so beautiful, but one in particularly, it 329 00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:30.279 was just so unusual you never guess what color it was. And I go 330 00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:33.640 red, and all of a sudden, there was this lull, and she 331 00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:42.480 goes, how did you know that? Wow? And from that point on 332 00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:51.119 we started talking about we started talking about unusual experiences, paranormal experiences, or 333 00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:56.160 experiences working at a haunted hotel. Upon I believe it was an Oregon and 334 00:27:56.200 --> 00:28:00.240 it was interesting to hear about it. And then soon later, I, 335 00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:03.599 you know, I think it was no more than six months ago, I 336 00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:08.079 actually seen something on one of the shows, pretending to the very location she 337 00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:11.799 was at, and she was telling me about it was very interesting. So 338 00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:17.400 this woman eventually told you about this amazing sighting you were just yes, And 339 00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:22.759 that was the last time I got to speak to her. But the way 340 00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:27.640 she built it up, and you could tell she's she was actually afraid to 341 00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:33.880 talk about it, but she gave it in such details that you know when 342 00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:37.359 somebody described something. And this I think goes back to the value of the 343 00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:41.960 oral tradition. It's so impreded to us. I think it's part of our 344 00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:48.400 physiology more so than our psychology. Who knows, but you know, I 345 00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:53.559 think this goes way back to being sitting around the campfire and telling stories. 346 00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:57.599 And when she's giving me she's painting this picture with her beautiful words. I 347 00:28:57.680 --> 00:29:02.640 get this whole image. And the sound. I know this sound. I 348 00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:06.200 know the sound of what she was talking about, and I can relate to 349 00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:10.880 this. The sound of the swarming sound of bees or insects around here, 350 00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:15.079 and the yiping of coyotes. These are things I can relate to. And 351 00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:18.000 in the background, hearing the crackling of the fire. Then all of a 352 00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:25.119 sudden, to this apex. There's these two adjoining lights and an instant beam, 353 00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:27.480 and I could just feel the energy because I've been there. I know 354 00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:32.319 what she's talking about, and I know many people out there listen to us 355 00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:36.920 right now can relate to it. If not so in a personal experience, 356 00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:41.000 that may be somebody they know. Yeah, wow, well yeah, I 357 00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:45.720 don't remember the details of your citing that. I just wanted to say to 358 00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:48.279 the listen live listener out there right now. You can jump in our chat 359 00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:55.079 room if you'd like to send Sam a question or or talk between yourselves whatever. 360 00:29:55.359 --> 00:30:00.000 It's at podcastufo dot com right on the sidebar. Two clicks to get 361 00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:04.880 it in. And so Sam and I are going to be talking about UFOs 362 00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:11.960 in general, some Illinois and Midwestern UFO encounters over the years. And then 363 00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:15.319 in the second hour, what did you say we're going to do. We're 364 00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:21.759 gonna get get freaky. We're going to talk about the freaky Okay, So 365 00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:26.200 so stay tuned for that. And if you're not a subscriber, for only 366 00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:30.039 a dollar a month, which is about twenty three cents a week, you 367 00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:33.079 can listen to the full show. If you're just listening to this part on 368 00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:40.599 a podcast. So Sam from here, would you like to talk about I 369 00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:42.640 want to I want you to tell me why you know about this, uh, 370 00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:48.799 this buzzing sound? Are you did you have a similar experience? Yes, 371 00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:55.880 I've had a similar experience years back when I was a child. I 372 00:30:56.079 --> 00:31:03.240 was having what we'd probably referred to as encounters these beings and whatever else was 373 00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:07.960 out there. This is the sound I heard. This was prior to having 374 00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:11.599 tanightis, and I hear it all the time. But it's a different version 375 00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:18.599 of the buzzing. This is more of a ringing tonitis but it's like whirling 376 00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:25.240 insects around you, and you could hear it, and it's the sound of 377 00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:27.599 it. Isn't okay for those of you had toniitis, you know it's a 378 00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:33.279 constant buzzing sound, but imagine insects. Have you ever been a near a 379 00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:37.519 beehive or something like that, but magnified, you know, much greater and 380 00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:42.880 swirling around you, where there's depth and you feel that there's motion going on. 381 00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:51.039 So this was going on around them. And the yiping of coyotes during 382 00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:53.759 the Tinley Park case to allude to that right real quick. There was yiping 383 00:31:55.079 --> 00:32:00.319 in fact, and some of the video footage. You actually had the the 384 00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:04.960 dogs barking and people's oh, oh, it's because there were people around. 385 00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:07.920 Now, it wasn't because people around. They were barking at a distance too, 386 00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:14.559 and it seemed like they were all yiping and barking, and further off 387 00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:22.079 in the parks or some of these hollows where you have lakes and stuff, 388 00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:28.119 you could hear the howling, the coyotes howling. Something was getting their attention. 389 00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:32.519 And this was prior to these things being directly overhead where they were able 390 00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:38.960 to see and the illuminations of the potentially were possibly a massive triangle or some 391 00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:49.599 unusually massive object. Now other sounds that people. Some people were getting interference, 392 00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:54.359 as you recall, on the FM band on there it was like a 393 00:32:54.440 --> 00:33:00.839 next helphone with radio and they were getting interference. In fact that those nextel 394 00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:06.640 phones didn't work when it came to that radio mode. Some people were actually 395 00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:13.160 getting some unusual uh chatter and talk on baby monitors. And you know this 396 00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:21.519 was wasn't because they had just seen what was the movie signs. So you 397 00:33:21.559 --> 00:33:25.920 know, it's funny how our movies do reflect actual things that take place in 398 00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:30.759 this field. So this was going on now as far as the swirling sounds, 399 00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:36.559 no one heard that that I heard, you know, I never heard 400 00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:39.039 anybody mentioning it in that case. But in the other cases, yes, 401 00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:46.640 where people were close to objects or the objects seem to come down upon them, 402 00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:52.480 And many a time you hear you hear about this, this very brilliant 403 00:33:52.759 --> 00:34:00.680 light shining down and enveloping them, whether attractor beams or of whatever transpires. 404 00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:08.719 One thing that does take place with anything that's altering gravity, and we think 405 00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:17.679 that this is part of the science behind the physics behind the unidentified or you 406 00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:24.519 know, the actual thing you're going to have an effect on time. It 407 00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:30.960 does affect time. And the same thing with genuine crop glyphs, slash crop 408 00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:37.480 circles or whatever. You get reports of the effect of time loss or time 409 00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:39.840 altered. One other thing that I don't know if I ever talked to you 410 00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:45.199 about, the time loss seems to be regained at some point as if it's 411 00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:50.639 elastic, like stretching out a rubber band. Now have you heard that before. 412 00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:54.599 This is kind of strange on three instances, and I'll tell you two 413 00:34:54.639 --> 00:35:01.079 of them. Part of the case that will be talking talking about later is 414 00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:07.199 what I referred to as the freaky, a gentleman who is one of the 415 00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:13.280 key figures in this case that I worked on for many years. He was 416 00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:22.280 where was this at in by oh He was leading from northern Wisconsin going to 417 00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:29.960 close to Lake Superior. He was some ways off, but yet not as 418 00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:34.800 as long as his trip actually ended up taking. It was a well plotted 419 00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:40.320 and known length and time as far as his journey. This guy sees a 420 00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:47.239 triangular uf ufo by the side of the road, pulls over and watches this 421 00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:52.079 thing just sitting there next to a barn. It was large. It wasn't 422 00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:57.159 a massive one that was miles long, but one that you know, obviously 423 00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:06.039 very big, hundreds of feet had below the exterior in the bottom. What 424 00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:12.320 would be like if you were to take a oh, a ping pong ball, 425 00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:15.360 cut it in half and place it it near each corner and you have 426 00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:25.840 it swirling around with self aluminous iridescence or or oval leescence like shampoo or something 427 00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:31.480 like that, an ovalescence yellowish white color but brilliant. And he says, 428 00:36:31.559 --> 00:36:36.679 that's what it looked like. And that object sat there for some length of 429 00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:38.519 time. He was just you know, it's just sat there and he says, 430 00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:43.760 easily, he could have spent ten minutes. Then he jumped back in 431 00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:46.039 his car. Thing was still there. You know, he's just like wow, 432 00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:52.440 he's trying to get as much observation. He drew it, you know, 433 00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:54.800 he drew the object. Well, it gets to his point of destination. 434 00:36:55.280 --> 00:37:00.320 But it was some three hours later. That was not what normally taken 435 00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:05.559 him. His wife had called over there, deathly afraid to see you know 436 00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:09.360 what the end result was why he was missing. But here, all it 437 00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:14.480 was was a loss of time. Now, was there an encounter during that 438 00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:21.360 period of time, maybe, but three hours was lost. So within a 439 00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:25.400 week or two after this experience, he lived in Michigan at the time, 440 00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:30.400 excuse me, Minnesota at the time. He had to cut the lawn and 441 00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:32.559 he had to do some other errands. His wife had to do the same. 442 00:37:34.360 --> 00:37:37.960 And he's out there and he knew how long it would take, and 443 00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:40.199 the time element would have came out to approxm me three hours to do everything 444 00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:45.119 you need to do, And here he had everything done within a period of 445 00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:52.360 a half hour. So the wife and both of them came together and they 446 00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:54.199 go, wait a minute, how can this be? They looked at the 447 00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:58.039 time, you know, from the time they started and the both of them 448 00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:01.480 finishing their chores, and they knew how long it would have taken, and 449 00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:07.239 they knew when it started, and they go, no, that just can't 450 00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:10.960 be. And sure enough, that time that was missing for him came back, 451 00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:16.360 but in this instance came back for both of them. Wow. Another 452 00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:23.440 time a gentleman was actually a woman coming from Wyoming to visit her elderly father 453 00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:30.320 and Dixon, Illinois and traveling down I eighty eight, which was at that 454 00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:36.719 time I five, I believe, and coming in. She's on the road 455 00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:44.360 and she notices up ahead some brilliant illuminations and she thought it was just some 456 00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:49.800 sort of tower. As she's getting closer and closer, what it is is 457 00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:52.480 not standing directly over the middle of the road, but moved off to her 458 00:38:52.599 --> 00:39:01.679 right into a farm field and there was this unusual object with illuminations underneath it, 459 00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:07.199 and it was hovering directly over the ground. She pulls over. Her 460 00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:12.519 children are just terrified, a boy and a girl in the backseat, terrified. 461 00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:17.920 She gets out and she's just staring at this and staring at it, 462 00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:22.960 and she says, there are cars going past me, and it's like I'm 463 00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:28.519 in my own world. Nobody else is paying attention. And not only are 464 00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:32.400 they not paying attention to the object in the field, they aren't paying attention 465 00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:37.840 to me. I'm waiving people and pointing to this, and they're not paying 466 00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:43.239 attention to me, as if I'm not even there. Wow, like a 467 00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:46.199 dead ghost or something exactly. Well. They get back in the car. 468 00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:52.159 She looks down as she takes off, and she realizes the time she had 469 00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:58.400 spent out there was substantially more than the time that she actually knew she was 470 00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:01.400 out there. She shows up at the father's house and says, why are 471 00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:06.039 you The father says, what took you so long? You call me from 472 00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:09.599 this junction wherever she was in the last call, and here you are here 473 00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:15.199 so much later than you normally would. And she tells him what she saw 474 00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:19.280 and whatever, but it wouldn't account for a large amount of time, something 475 00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:23.480 around an hour. And so she gets back to Wyoming the very next week. 476 00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:28.280 Very next week she gets to go back to work. She kisses her 477 00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:31.960 husband in the morning, closed the door, and off she goes. She 478 00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:37.199 gets to work and as always, she calls him and as she states her 479 00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:42.519 point from the disc that you know, the travel time is APPROXI me an 480 00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:46.920 hour from the house to work. She calls him up. He grabs the 481 00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:52.400 phone and he says, who is this, you know, and she says, 482 00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:53.559 well, it's me. I'm here at work. And he goes and 483 00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:59.280 says, that is absolutely, absolutely impossible. You just kissed me and I 484 00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:06.079 could still hear the door that it's slammed. Oh wow, that's freaky, 485 00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:09.639 very freaky. And we're supposed to save the freaky stuff for hour two. 486 00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:17.559 Oh, it gets better. So there seems to be this effect of time 487 00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:25.960 space by these encounters. So and I don't think it's psychological because apparently it's 488 00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:35.400 recorded in say, for instance, even the mechanics of a clock or a 489 00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:42.079 watch. So there is some sort of recordable variance that even affects, you 490 00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:50.800 know, mechanisms. The case of the UFO car case of Vel Johnson's case 491 00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:55.320 back in the eighties. His car was hit by what was either an energy 492 00:41:55.639 --> 00:42:04.840 beam or actually some extension that was self luminous from an object or whatever, 493 00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:14.079 or even some sort of unusual natural phenomena that may very well possess a similar 494 00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:22.159 type of energy and let's say residual effect. It hit the car. I'm 495 00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:25.119 not sure if are you aware of this case unless it's the one in Australia. 496 00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:30.119 Now, this is the one in actually in Minnesota, Okay and ve 497 00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:34.760 else police. He was a police officer and he was actually on a dispatch 498 00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:37.480 to see what was going on out there. People reporting some unusual things or 499 00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:40.639 it was a no. I think it was just a regular routine ride. 500 00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:45.400 And he sees this object at a distance, this illumination. Didn't know as 501 00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:47.199 an object and to this date we don't know, but we you know, 502 00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:52.920 whatever it has to properties to bend things and effect things, so it's able 503 00:42:52.039 --> 00:43:00.400 to cause some damage. This thing came right at him and he says it 504 00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:07.400 felt like he was hit by a two hundred pound pillow. He was knocked 505 00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:14.239 out, he woke up, his eyes were were out of focus and painful. 506 00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:19.039 He says, it felt as if I had had Welder's flash. And 507 00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:22.960 for those of you who ever encountered Welder's flash, it's very painful. Som 508 00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:30.480 just thinking of it now, it hurts. And then he says, I 509 00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:37.559 had the car was sitting sideways. The windshield was damaged, but it was 510 00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:43.320 it was damaged. It was if it was imploded like the energy pulled it 511 00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:50.920 out and in simultaneously Ford, I think it was Ford Motor Company, a 512 00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:57.440 laboratory over there did He said there was at least eight hundred pages of final 513 00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:01.760 texts on the series of tests that they ran on it in other groups, 514 00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:07.320 and they said it's imposed. You could actually get the result in the laboratory, 515 00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:10.840 but you have to do it independently, and it would take at least 516 00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:16.559 two processes, not not at once and instantaneously. So whatever happened was was, 517 00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:22.840 you know, no doubt, a phenomena and something they couldn't understand. 518 00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:28.519 And the other thing is the physical effect him. His eyes were burnt, 519 00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:34.360 his face and he had as if it looked like a second degree burned throughout 520 00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:40.360 his face, an exposed area he was read helmuts reminds you of close encounters 521 00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:49.159 the enamel on his teeth or damage. Yeah, to happen, I would 522 00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:51.480 think, oh, sure, the animal is one of the most you know, 523 00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:55.039 one of the strongest parts as far hardest parts of the body. It's 524 00:44:55.079 --> 00:45:00.440 the mblet, the enamelt teeth, and here he has all these these cracks 525 00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:07.159 and you know, heroline cracks. The antenna which was on a spring to 526 00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:10.880 mechanism, So when it would hit something out there in the you know, 527 00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:15.760 in Minnesota, a lot of things besides deer and birds and twigs. You're 528 00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:20.840 going into areas you can lose an antenna once a week, and you're going 529 00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:23.519 into some of these areas, so they have a spring and I think you've 530 00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:29.599 seen them at the bottom of spring mechanisms. So it bends, so if 531 00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:32.840 anything would have hit it, it would have been it would have you know, 532 00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:37.400 wouldn't have damaged it. Well, there was nearly a forty five degree 533 00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:40.800 angle bend. It was about thirty thirty eight degrees. I forget the exact 534 00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:47.599 amount of degrees in the the antenna itself. The other interesting thing is the 535 00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:57.119 insect crust that was on the exterior of the the antenna where it's you know, 536 00:45:57.320 --> 00:46:04.039 was just caked up bug juice. That harden was actually molded around it 537 00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:12.760 as if it was superheated instead of cracked. Very unusual really. And then 538 00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:16.960 he looked at his watch, and the watch and the clock in the car 539 00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:22.559 were exactly the same time off. In other words, they were both the 540 00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:27.599 same but off. I think it was fifteen minutes or eighteen minutes. I 541 00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:31.239 think it was eighteen minutes. They both were precisely off eighteen minutes. In 542 00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:36.239 other words, they were the same, and he always kept a correct time. 543 00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:38.480 That's the first thing he did he drove off in the morning was to 544 00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:43.760 check the time and have it correct in the car and on his watch before 545 00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:52.159 he went went on his patrol. And this is one of the best physical 546 00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:59.440 trace cases. The car itself is in I forget is that Madison County? 547 00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:02.760 Fair? Is that it? I think I know of this case now. 548 00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:08.159 It took a while, but yes, I think this was actually investigated on 549 00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:13.000 a show on a oh a couple of them. Yeah, but I think 550 00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:20.239 I have the only video interview with Phil Johnson. I think I'm the only 551 00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:23.480 person who has a video interview with him. Now. Is that online where 552 00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:28.519 anybody can see it? No? In fact, hopefully I'm going to get 553 00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:34.440 approval after or I edited it to get a right to release it in along 554 00:47:34.519 --> 00:47:40.559 with volumes of things that I've accumulated in the last twenty years. So and 555 00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:45.800 when I do that, I'll make sure to tell Premiere some of the excerpts 556 00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:50.199 from it on your show. Okay, oh yeah, oh yeah, love 557 00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:54.239 that. So let's see we have we have about ten minutes left, and 558 00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:58.400 I wanted to talk about a couple of cases. You know, we've talked 559 00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:07.719 about Tinley Park and oftentimes the the O'Hare sighting comes up, but let's talk 560 00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:09.719 about some of the obscure ones. I was looking in some of the top 561 00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:16.400 Illinois encounters over the years. And how about the Franklin Park sighting? Are 562 00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:21.760 you familiar with that one? I think doctor Rodiger worked on that one. 563 00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:25.159 I didn't work on at all. Okay, Well, that one's basically it 564 00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:31.159 was boy scouts and they saw, you know, metallic pulsing saucer about twenty 565 00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:35.320 feet in diameter. That was interesting. So what are some of the other 566 00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:39.920 ones that you have worked on besides a Rockford didn't you work on that? 567 00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:46.679 Yes, Rockford mass sighting And that was a mass sighting and I think there 568 00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:50.840 was hundreds of people that saw it and it was orange orbs or something like 569 00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:57.440 that, right, it was seeing well what it was, it was a 570 00:48:57.519 --> 00:49:04.599 mass sighting that started actually on New Year's Eve of nineteen ninety nine. Everybody, 571 00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:09.639 of course had the two thousand millennium concern. Oh yeah, all the 572 00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:14.719 computers going down and everything going haywire, and oh no, the world's gonna 573 00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:17.559 and all that kind of stuff. I remember that. Yeah, you probably 574 00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:22.440 had probably have stuff stashed away somewhere from that, don't you no? But 575 00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:24.199 you know what you know. I don't want to get way off topic, 576 00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:30.039 but I knew a guy that bought a two hundred and fifty gallon oil tank, 577 00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:34.039 put diesel in it, got the generator. He was he had machine 578 00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:37.960 guns. Oh my god, was he He was pretty scary. And then 579 00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:42.199 like two weeks later he dropped out of a heart attack. Oh my god. 580 00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:44.840 Oh it didn't really help him too much. I think it was just 581 00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:46.039 an excuse for him to do it. He wanted to do it anyway. 582 00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:52.679 I a hot attack, mind you. But all the other toys, honey, 583 00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:54.320 this is a good reason. I really got to get this now, 584 00:49:54.760 --> 00:49:58.880 you know. Okay, Harold, just get the darn thing. All had 585 00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:02.119 stores of food. He had like tons and tons of food. Was buying 586 00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:07.199 food for a year. And oh I could see that a lot of people 587 00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:09.480 did that. Yeah, yeah, crazy, huh. Yeah, my brother 588 00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:13.840 did too. In fact, the funny thing we mentioned it he was he 589 00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:17.000 was looking at the the rations that he had stored away. He goes, 590 00:50:17.199 --> 00:50:21.679 I'm one of these already, good. I go, I don't know, 591 00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:24.280 but I'm not going to try it. Oh you mean he still hasn't. 592 00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:28.599 Yeah, I forgot what the shelf life on some of this stuff was was 593 00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:32.159 pretty. He had. He had a great us. He's really good at 594 00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:37.679 keeping things organized that way. Me. I tell you, anything anything chaotic 595 00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:43.239 comes along, I guess I'm screwed, you know, anyway you look at 596 00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:46.400 it, I don't know. I'm the first one to go. Yeah, 597 00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:52.119 well, but I know the place I own. I am up on the 598 00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:57.719 mountain there. The people were absolutely paranoid as well. And there's a bomb 599 00:50:57.760 --> 00:51:04.039 shelter. There's a fire system with a water tower, I mean you know, 600 00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:07.079 and the indoor pool was hooked into it. I mean they were just 601 00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:12.280 they were ready for everything. Pretty amazing. It's pretty I'll tell you what 602 00:51:12.400 --> 00:51:15.760 that is, kennedied, but you have to it is kennedyed. Yeah. 603 00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:19.920 Maybe just play crazy like that for a week and have a party. Who 604 00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:24.679 knows. Well, there was tornado warnings last summer, and I went down 605 00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:28.079 into the bomb shelter, so that was kind of cool to have. Actually, 606 00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:30.440 Oh yeah, well out here we have tornado warnings. You do want 607 00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:35.199 to go low because they do hit. I don't know how many tornadoes you 608 00:51:35.239 --> 00:51:37.199 get out in your neck of the woods, but week very rare out here. 609 00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:42.840 It's try like tornado, Ellie. We were shooting Invasion, Illinois, 610 00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:49.000 and I had secured a property for us to shoot it. In fact, 611 00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:54.920 a gentleman's a county police officer, sergeant, and that owned the property. 612 00:51:55.000 --> 00:52:00.599 So we got out there and you know, hill Burns. Most of these 613 00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:05.119 guys are from the you know, East coast and West coast, and they've 614 00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:08.840 never never seen anything like tornadoes. And we had like three of them that 615 00:52:09.559 --> 00:52:14.920 evening. They were just shooken by, you know, just like wow, 616 00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:19.440 Sam, this is you know, and this really is tornado, Elliot, 617 00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:22.840 Oh yeah it is. And I remember remember the sound guy putting on the 618 00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:25.719 you know here, he's listening to make sure the audio is correct, and 619 00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:30.960 he's got the mics. All of a sudden, this crack of lightning goes 620 00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:37.079 right outside just you know, a couple hundred feet away, and in instantaneous, 621 00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:42.119 raw raw of thunder throughout the the pole barn that we were in. 622 00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:45.880 This poor guy, those the cans on his head just popped right off. 623 00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:49.760 He'd have to lift them, and he's like, ah, you know, 624 00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:53.360 I'm like, oh, sounds good. Oh yeah, they got that. 625 00:52:53.719 --> 00:53:00.800 That sounds perfect. So tell me about that. Was that a series or 626 00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:05.800 was that a one time documentary or what or that was the first episode. 627 00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:08.320 In fact, you'll see it if you ever watched the repeats on the History 628 00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:15.079 Channel of UFO Hunters. That was two thousand and one. Yeah. Yeah, 629 00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:20.360 I worked on five episodes as a consultant, but the ones that I 630 00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:24.400 actually had a chance cameo, and of course were the ones that I was 631 00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:29.679 actually involved on an investigative researcher, and that would have been Tim Lee Park 632 00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:35.679 and that's Invasion Illinois aliens at the airport. That was the ol'd haair case 633 00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:44.079 in conjunction with other UFO cases at airports and related to aviation. And that 634 00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:46.880 was good. That was a very good episode. You know. The funny 635 00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:52.519 thing is it was a great show. It was starting to lose I could 636 00:53:52.519 --> 00:53:53.519 see it, you know, in the end, it was starting to lose 637 00:53:54.440 --> 00:54:00.719 its appeal. And they were already I think working on ancient as they had 638 00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:04.519 that maybe even had the pilot and the cann I don't know, they may 639 00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:07.880 have been already had that, you know. And the other thing is consider 640 00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:15.400 what took the time slot was uh, Pawn Stars. My god, that 641 00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:21.760 is one of the best shows on television period. I mean, what are 642 00:54:21.800 --> 00:54:24.000 we going into our seventh season on that one? My god? I wish 643 00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:29.599 I was involved in that. Yeah, that's rigged by the way it's rigged, 644 00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:31.239 is right. Yeah, I mean I have inside news on that. 645 00:54:31.960 --> 00:54:37.159 That's a whole nother, whole other story. I don't want to get about 646 00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:42.039 that. I'm assuming they have to because people with that, with that much 647 00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:46.039 interesting stuff, just don't make their way into pawnshops one way after another for 648 00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:51.440 an episode at the centera all day and that's costly. Yeah, yeah, 649 00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:53.280 yeah, no, there's some time off here. I'll tell you that. 650 00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:58.599 It's a real funny story about a specialistate that I know that they hired and 651 00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:01.079 they talked for a d him exactly like the words she wrote. It was 652 00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:05.880 pretty funny. Oh yeah, let's see, we got about five minutes left, 653 00:55:05.920 --> 00:55:08.320 and I want you to tell us a little bit about the Rockford siting. 654 00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:12.400 You know, some details on that. The detail about the Rockford sitting, 655 00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:16.280 you know, and this is a very significant mass sighting, one that 656 00:55:16.639 --> 00:55:21.920 just fell off the face of the earth, and it all ties in with 657 00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:27.880 the Southern Illinois siding, which ties into the rock the Tinley Park sighting. 658 00:55:28.719 --> 00:55:34.119 These objects that we're seeing may very well have been the large triangular objects the 659 00:55:34.239 --> 00:55:39.400 same. But this happened in like I said, going into two thousand and 660 00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:45.920 as you know, January fourth and January fifth of that year was the sightings 661 00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:52.400 down in southern Illinois that got all the attention simply because of it was being 662 00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:57.599 you know, being followed and reported by police officers. Strange thing enough, 663 00:55:58.599 --> 00:56:01.960 strangely enough, up in Rockford, we had not just hundreds of witnesses, 664 00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:09.320 but thousands of witnesses on multiple nights. There was as many as thirteen nights 665 00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:15.159 of mass sightings, nine of which that we feel have merit, and at 666 00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:22.199 least five of those genuine. There were photographs taken. These photographs are relatively 667 00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:31.360 similar to other craft that have been recorded, and there is videotape. Again, 668 00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:37.679 you have these illuminations in the sky, you have orange orbs, and 669 00:56:39.159 --> 00:56:46.639 they're not conventional aircraft. The other thing was during this sighting we had other 670 00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:53.760 sightings going on in the Midwest, out in the quad Cities and all over 671 00:56:53.840 --> 00:57:00.960 the world, even on the Island of Man. So that night was pretty 672 00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:04.320 active all over the world. What the heck was going on? I have 673 00:57:04.480 --> 00:57:08.920 no idea, but apparently maybe they got the bug too, like, oh 674 00:57:09.039 --> 00:57:12.480 no, our computers are going to go down, We're going to crash. 675 00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:19.280 I don't know either way. Things were going on that could not be accountable 676 00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:25.519 as conventional or Chinese lanterns or flares on balloons, all that malarchy though I 677 00:57:25.599 --> 00:57:30.599 think at least three of those were hoaxes later on, But you know, 678 00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:37.119 during that, during that whole episode, we had a meeting, you know, 679 00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:40.840 at a Borders I think it was Borders bookstore. We had eighty some 680 00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:45.519 people show up. The press was there, and people were It got to 681 00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:49.599 the point we couldn't even get enough people could enough accommodate the people that were 682 00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:52.639 there. It was just crazy. And when they were there, people were 683 00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:58.119 telling us stories of accounts that they had nothing to do with this. How 684 00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:05.400 for years they had out there and little did I know, but the history 685 00:58:05.679 --> 00:58:10.199 of UFO sightings on the Borderline area in the Rockford area of Rockdale, now 686 00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:16.480 all this area, they go way back. They go back well before nineteen 687 00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:21.760 forty seven, though nineteen forty seven was a peak year too, but some 688 00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:25.840 farmers were These old farmers in their eighties were telling us of accounts that they 689 00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:31.559 seen things in their land, in their fields, and they knew about their 690 00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:37.440 parents talking about things landing in the fields and flying around that were UFO's, 691 00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:44.039 flying saucers, whatever you want to call them. So this was a hot 692 00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:52.000 area that's ignored by most people because of course it's Illinois, and if you're 693 00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:54.679 within you know, a mile or two of a farm and fleet or some 694 00:58:57.320 --> 00:59:01.760 farm implement store. Of course, wacky. That's the attitude some of these 695 00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:07.920 people take, and what I find interesting. Similar events took place, of 696 00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:15.159 course in Jersey soon thereafter, in Newark in July and the Cadret sightings. 697 00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:19.239 You may have seen the man heard about the Mass sightings Caroette Caret. This 698 00:59:19.559 --> 00:59:22.199 is the same thing that went on during that same period of time, but 699 00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:28.159 yet that got credence. This didn't get as much, but yet further south 700 00:59:28.199 --> 00:59:31.880 and the police officers saw, you know, just a day later or four 701 00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:36.679 days of it later. It became big news, and of course Discovery Channel 702 00:59:36.760 --> 00:59:39.079 did a special on it. Daryl Barker did that, did a very good 703 00:59:39.159 --> 00:59:45.679 documentary and still does. Finding more witnesses to this case down there in southern 704 00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:50.440 Illinois. Wow, all right, well Sam, well that's the first hour. 705 00:59:50.599 --> 00:59:54.119 So again we're going into the kind of that freaky weird stuff in hour 706 00:59:54.280 --> 00:59:58.559 two. And why don't you say goodbye to the hour win listeners if you 707 00:59:58.559 --> 01:00:02.639 would, well our one with listeners, tell you what buy your next hour 708 01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:06.440 because it's gonna be well worth it, and thank you for listening either way. 709 01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:09.000 Thank you, Sam. So that's it for the end of the show. 710 01:00:09.360 --> 01:00:13.760 Again, if you'd like to subscribe to hear the full show, go 711 01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:17.920 to get joyride dot com slash podcast UFO that links right on our website. 712 01:00:19.360 --> 01:00:22.119 So for as little as a dollar a month, you can hear the full 713 01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:25.960 show. 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