1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:10,080 The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big Fight Weekend No. 2 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:15,679 Here is your host, t J. Leaves. We have flipped the calendar 3 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,760 and we are ready for the month of September. Glad to have you with 4 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:24,839 us as we go into a weekend that features a very intriguing rematch in the 5 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,879 UK. The the most prominent fight card is in the UK. We're gonna 6 00:00:27,879 --> 00:00:30,839 talk about that in the preview card. We've got fight news, We've got 7 00:00:30,879 --> 00:00:37,079 nostalgia and much more. Hope you're doing well here on the latest edition of 8 00:00:37,119 --> 00:00:39,799 the Big Fight Weekend Preview. I am the somewhat competent host, t J 9 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:44,520 Reeves. He is our insider from fight Freaks Unite his substack. A lot 10 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,880 of juicy stuff on the substack this week. Hope you've been reading and seeing 11 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,079 it, and also our insider from Big Fight Weekend dot Com. Hello Dan 12 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:55,920 Raypheel as we begin a new month here, how are things? Things are 13 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,719 good? You know it? Actually it felt like fault today. I was 14 00:00:58,759 --> 00:01:03,200 outside a little earlier and it felt like fall calendar changes. We're not even 15 00:01:03,239 --> 00:01:07,480 to the calendar change yet, because we're taping this on August thirty first, 16 00:01:07,719 --> 00:01:10,959 right, it felt like it was where we're in a little bit of fall 17 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:11,879 weather, all right, okay, so I felt that way for you. 18 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,000 It felt like the end of the world in Florida. For earlier in the 19 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:19,920 week with Hurricane at Dalia that made it. Let me let the readers know. 20 00:01:21,159 --> 00:01:23,040 Since you're in Tampa, we'll let them know. Yes, TJ survived. 21 00:01:23,799 --> 00:01:26,920 I am here. I'm president, accounted for nor rain, nor sleep, 22 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:32,400 nor snow, nor hurricanes, whatever it is. So we did survive. 23 00:01:32,519 --> 00:01:36,319 And again, as hurricanes go, this one could have been nasty, 24 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:41,439 but it stayed largely away from most of the populated areas in Florida, amazingly, 25 00:01:41,519 --> 00:01:44,680 came all the way up the Gulf Coast and swung into the north central 26 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,920 part of the state that's not as populated, then into South Georgia and out 27 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,120 to the Atlantic Ocean. And we just we always have to be vigilant in 28 00:01:52,159 --> 00:01:57,239 August and September, especially in and around the time of hurricanes and activities. 29 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:02,719 So we're good here and ready to get rolling for another edition of the program. 30 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:07,000 Thank you for finding us. However, you've done so again by the 31 00:02:07,079 --> 00:02:10,120 thousands and thousands and thousands of you. You keep finding us. Make sure 32 00:02:10,159 --> 00:02:15,240 you rate us in review us on the podcast platforms Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, 33 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:20,000 Spotify, Spreaker as well. Here for the Big Fight weekend preview. 34 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,319 We preview going into the weekend, usually out Friday morning, come off the 35 00:02:23,319 --> 00:02:27,479 weekend with the recap, give or take Sunday night Monday morning, Rayfield. 36 00:02:27,479 --> 00:02:30,719 That make it a little crazy with the football season in my travel schedule with 37 00:02:30,719 --> 00:02:34,039 the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, but we do our best for the peeps to have 38 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,400 this out Fridays and Mondays. It's like bookends. Uh, you know, 39 00:02:38,479 --> 00:02:43,800 set your watch by it here with us on the program. So with all 40 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,120 of that being said, we're ready to get into the fight cards for this 41 00:02:46,159 --> 00:02:51,080 week. By the way, did I see Frank Warren taking a shot at 42 00:02:51,159 --> 00:02:55,400 Dan Rayfield this week on social media? I'm glad you brought that up because 43 00:02:55,520 --> 00:03:00,800 I can't. I can't begin our talking fights without I mean, put up 44 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,039 your dukes on, Frank Warren, What is that all about against my man 45 00:03:04,159 --> 00:03:07,879 ray Feel? Well? Because ray Feel gave an opinion about the fight, 46 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:12,639 which we all do about boxing. If we're fans are involved in terms of 47 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,919 if you're involved in terms of a promoter or a manager or a journalist, 48 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,479 or a fan. We all have our opinions about the fights. In my 49 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:23,000 opinion, as we've discussed at length on the last show, in the post 50 00:03:23,039 --> 00:03:28,919 fight show, that the punch that Dubois landed that put Usk on the deck 51 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:30,759 in the fifth round, it is my opinion, and by the way, 52 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:35,960 that of many others I have seen fighters and other boxing industry people, that 53 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,159 it was absolutely a low blow, perhaps slightly borderline, and maybe not in 54 00:03:39,199 --> 00:03:43,080 the Jimmy, not in the in the in the Dingleberries, not in the 55 00:03:43,199 --> 00:03:46,159 in the Manhood, but it was a low blow. And I voiced my 56 00:03:46,199 --> 00:03:50,159 opinion on that, and I did as well, Yeah, of course, 57 00:03:50,159 --> 00:03:53,639 and I posted some photos on it. And what Frank has made the erroneous 58 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,560 conclusion is that one of the photos, which is a blatant low blow that 59 00:03:55,599 --> 00:03:59,879 I posted a photo of, I never said that that was the actual lobo 60 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,000 that was in question. It was just another of the many low blows that 61 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,520 Daniel Dui landed in the fight that the referee did not call. In any 62 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:10,639 event, He was on an interview with the folks from if L TV, 63 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,159 who I'm friendly with and have been doing interviews with them for years on their 64 00:04:14,199 --> 00:04:18,000 YouTube channel. They do a good job. And Frank brought me up. 65 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:24,560 And it's one thing for him to say that he didn't agree with my opinion 66 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,920 or that, you know, he could have said, you know that Raphael 67 00:04:26,959 --> 00:04:28,959 is a fucking idiot, doesn't know what he's talking about. That's fine. 68 00:04:29,399 --> 00:04:32,759 But Frank, because he's a low class, always has been and always will 69 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,759 be, has no class at all. And that's not just my opinion, 70 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,560 that's the opinion of a lot of people that deal with him in business, 71 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:45,279 and I don't deal with him in business. Took a very personal shot because 72 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,199 because I'm a fat guy, made fun of my way. You know what, 73 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,639 I've been dealing with that ship my entire fucking life, and at this 74 00:04:51,759 --> 00:04:56,800 stage of my existence, you know, if that's all you got, you 75 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,240 got nothing. So I took it like that, and my response was, 76 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,319 you know, I may be a fat guy, but I've got my honesty 77 00:05:03,319 --> 00:05:05,600 and my integrity, which is more I can say for him. Boo, 78 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:12,680 And I liked that retaliation, that combo, that CounterPunch back to it. 79 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,399 So are you guys going to be on the undercard of an upcoming situation here? 80 00:05:16,399 --> 00:05:18,759 I'd pay to see it, and I would take you I'm not gonna 81 00:05:18,759 --> 00:05:21,959 fight the guy. I just I just I just thought it was low class. 82 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,480 If you want to swap me because I was factually inaccurate, or I 83 00:05:26,519 --> 00:05:30,759 misquoted you, or you disagreed with my opinion, have at it. By 84 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:32,920 the way, can I just can I just share this? And you watch 85 00:05:32,959 --> 00:05:36,160 these two, and a lot of fans watch these two. It is frequent, 86 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:44,480 frequent that one Frank Warren does these interviews and does these shows while drinking, 87 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,920 and so might I just say this is me saying this, not Dan 88 00:05:48,079 --> 00:05:53,360 saying this. If you are having a few and doing a show, you're 89 00:05:53,439 --> 00:05:57,399 probably going to get yourself in jeopardy with things that you're saying. Because again, 90 00:05:57,519 --> 00:06:00,959 I've watched a couple of these where he's been in a restaurant or something 91 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,720 and they're drinking while they're doing this, and he starts to not make sense 92 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:08,199 on his show. So when you're talking about low class or whatever, is 93 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,959 that kind of like what Rudy Giuliani was doing getting Trump advice? I don't 94 00:06:11,959 --> 00:06:16,120 know. I don't know if I know you, did I know you? 95 00:06:16,319 --> 00:06:19,560 And by and by the way, it is now into Friday, and it's 96 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:25,040 still a low blow and let's put it to bed. It's over, it's 97 00:06:25,079 --> 00:06:28,519 done with. There is no there is no appeal. There is not going 98 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,560 to be a rematch. USA gets the knockout. And one more thing because 99 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,759 I did go back and watch, because it's there and it's available. In 100 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:39,360 November of twenty twenty, when Joe Joyce scored the knockout, scored the t 101 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:44,879 KO because Dubois got hit in the eye orbital. It is the same eye, 102 00:06:45,199 --> 00:06:50,000 and Dubois almost mimicked exactly what happened in the empty ball room where they 103 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:54,560 were fighting during the COVID crazy conditions in November twenty twenty. He gets whacked. 104 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,160 He takes like a step to the right and goes down on a knee, 105 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,160 is looking at his corner and doesn't get up. It was the same 106 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,240 thing the other night when we when we reviewed the fight. I don't have 107 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:10,040 a quarrel with his actions in ending the Joyce fight because he suffered a serious 108 00:07:10,079 --> 00:07:13,439 injury. Now, some guys, you know, can fight through that. 109 00:07:13,519 --> 00:07:15,319 Annoya in a way fought through it against no Needo, don't air. I've 110 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,240 seen other fighters fight through it. But you know, I'm not going to 111 00:07:18,319 --> 00:07:23,120 tell you that his was less serious or more serious he had a fractured orbit 112 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,959 bone. I'm not I'm not going to give why any grief over that retirement. 113 00:07:27,519 --> 00:07:30,480 This one was a little bit different. This one was not, you 114 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:35,519 know, he hadn't taken like it was a in terms of knockout punches, 115 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:42,120 right hand was not if you were grading knockout punches on like a one to 116 00:07:42,199 --> 00:07:45,600 ten scale, ten being like, you know, a big mammoth clean right 117 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,040 hand from Ernie Shavers, you know, or a gigantic punch from William Jackson 118 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:53,839 or somebody like that. This was look, at least from my vantage point 119 00:07:53,879 --> 00:07:57,279 watching it, comparing it to watching other ones, it was like a four. 120 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,439 I mean, it wasn't a knockout kind of blow. But by point 121 00:08:00,839 --> 00:08:03,079 my only point on bringing it up is I think he caught him on the 122 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,759 orbit bone. Again, this is my conjecture, and he may have. 123 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:07,319 I don't know if he broke it, but I think he hurt him on 124 00:08:07,399 --> 00:08:09,959 the eye, on the eye, and it was the same eye whatever. 125 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:13,480 But he went down the same way that's not in dispute, and he knelt 126 00:08:13,519 --> 00:08:16,079 on one knee and it was over. I'll say this, So if he 127 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:22,079 did hit him in the eye and it did have a negative impact the way 128 00:08:22,079 --> 00:08:24,480 it did in the Joe Joyce fight, even if it wasn't broken. Again, 129 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:28,279 I'll give Daniel du bat credit for not saying it afterwards because I've never 130 00:08:28,279 --> 00:08:31,000 been big on making excuses. You know, you got hit, you went 131 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,679 down at the end of the story, so he didn't make any excuses that 132 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,000 it was from the eye. But again, Mike Quarrel has never been about 133 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,600 Daniel Duboa the person. You know, you know, he did what he 134 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,000 did in the fight. That's that. And uh, if Frank wants to 135 00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:46,799 act like a four year old or an eight year older like he's in grade 136 00:08:46,799 --> 00:08:50,320 school and you know, call me names, you know, God bless me 137 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:56,919 or raise another glass, let's move on. Okay. So the main fight 138 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,799 card that we're going to discuss and preview is in the UK. It is 139 00:08:58,799 --> 00:09:03,360 in Manchester. It is a rematch Liam Smith and Chris Euback. I'm gonna 140 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:07,320 make you smile and laugh, a rematch that was supposed to happen earlier this 141 00:09:07,399 --> 00:09:11,240 summer, but Liam Smith had back problems. He had a what he claimed 142 00:09:11,279 --> 00:09:16,559 it was a what in the British terminology for the back don't remember he called 143 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,960 it a niggle, right, not a wiggle, not a giggle, not 144 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:24,720 a jiggle, but a niggle in the back. We call it in the 145 00:09:24,799 --> 00:09:28,919 US a tweak. We call it a twinge. We call it different things. 146 00:09:28,919 --> 00:09:33,600 So he he tried to resume training to keep the fight intact for this 147 00:09:33,639 --> 00:09:37,200 summer that I think they originally postponed it like two weeks, right, but 148 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:41,320 then he said, I can't train because of the niggle wiggle, tweak, 149 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,200 twinge, And so now they put it off to this weekend, which is 150 00:09:45,279 --> 00:09:50,519 Labor Day weekend in the United States. It doesn't mean anything over We wouldn't 151 00:09:50,519 --> 00:09:52,279 have a card to discuss this. Yeah, we really didn't. We really 152 00:09:52,279 --> 00:09:54,919 didn't have a problem in one, Okay, so this is a rematch. 153 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,320 Fair to say it was an upset. It was a surprise. Liam Smith 154 00:09:58,399 --> 00:10:01,559 put it on you Bank and really knocked him down and could have gotten the 155 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,200 TKO right away. The referee let the fight go on and Liam Smith hit 156 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:09,279 him a couple of times, with you Bank Junior stumbling all over the ring. 157 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,679 TKO stoppage. You Bank Junior didn't even realize the fight was stopped. 158 00:10:13,919 --> 00:10:16,559 It was Liam Smith's corner that ran to him and said, my friend, 159 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:22,240 it's over. They're having to hold him up while Liam Smith's celebrating. Okay, 160 00:10:22,279 --> 00:10:26,679 rematch time. It is building for this weekend in Manchester. Your thoughts 161 00:10:26,759 --> 00:10:30,440 now as they go at it again. So the first fight that took place 162 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:35,320 back in January totally unexpected that result. They fourth row knockout for Liam Smith. 163 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,080 Now, it's not to say that a lot of people didn't think Liam 164 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,159 Smith would win the fight. I think that most people when they had that 165 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,000 opinion, if they thought that Liam was going to win the fight, probably 166 00:10:43,039 --> 00:10:46,639 would be the guy that would maybe win by outboxing you Bank and maybe win 167 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:48,679 a decision. You know, Liam is is a very good fighter. He's 168 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,600 been a champion in one hundred fifty four pound weight class, never been known 169 00:10:52,639 --> 00:10:56,159 as a big puncher. Got about a fifty percent little over fifty percent knockout 170 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,399 ratio, thirty three wins, twenty knockouts. Now that's including the knockout he 171 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:03,279 just had in the last fight against you Bank Junior. And you Bank was 172 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,600 the larger guy. He was coming down and wait, they met at a 173 00:11:05,639 --> 00:11:09,799 catchweight. The only reason the fight was even happening in the first place because 174 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:16,639 the U Bank team was looking for a name opponent for Chris because his fight 175 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,840 with Connor Ben had been canceled because of connor Ben's positive drug test. So 176 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,600 Liam Smith's a pretty well respected name and a quality guy also in the UK, 177 00:11:24,639 --> 00:11:26,879 and they were able to make the match, and it got a little 178 00:11:26,879 --> 00:11:31,480 personal towards the end, and it turned out to be a surprisingly a short 179 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,159 you know, quick ko frankly for Liam Smith. So that was a big 180 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,399 win for him. And if you really go back and examine the record of 181 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,159 Liam Smith, even though he's had a lot of nice wins and fought a 182 00:11:39,159 --> 00:11:43,759 lot of good opponents, I think you can argue pretty clearly that's maybe the 183 00:11:43,759 --> 00:11:46,879 biggest win he's ever had. You Bank did have the right to an immediate 184 00:11:46,879 --> 00:11:52,360 rematch. He ultimately exercised that. Now there was conversation between it being rescheduled 185 00:11:52,399 --> 00:11:54,919 and even made in the first place, that they were going to maybe go 186 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,200 around the rules and he was gonna fight connor Ben maybe in the Middle East 187 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:03,200 or some other situation. But in the end the rematch was made. The 188 00:12:03,279 --> 00:12:05,919 one big difference for you Bank going into this fight compared to what he had 189 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:11,320 going into the last fight. He has changed trainers he had been for the 190 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,440 last few years, or at least the last several fights with Roy Jones Jr. 191 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,600 Who was sort of his idol other than his own father in terms of 192 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,879 a boxer. You know, Chris you Bank Senior, and you know, 193 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:26,720 Roy had a very unorthodox style that worked for him because he was so gifted 194 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,799 in terms of his reflexes and his speed and just the crazy virtuos with things 195 00:12:31,799 --> 00:12:35,759 he could do. And while you Banks obviously a talented guy, nobody's like 196 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,679 Roy Jones, so kind of tried to imitate that maybe a little bit too 197 00:12:39,759 --> 00:12:41,759 much. It cost him hands down, maybe not the tightest defense in the 198 00:12:41,759 --> 00:12:45,799 world, pulled straight back on a lot of shots, and it ultimately had 199 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,360 cost him. So now for this camp he's gone with Brian McIntyre. Brian 200 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,039 McIntyre obviously is the most known, of course for being a longtime career, 201 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:58,200 long trainer of Terrence Crawford, coming off that huge victory back in July against 202 00:12:58,279 --> 00:13:00,919 Arrol Spence. So that's a big chain for a u Bank going and in 203 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,879 all to see it'll be your main to be seen until we find out what 204 00:13:03,879 --> 00:13:07,320 happens in the fight, if he can do something different in terms of the 205 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:13,519 preparation for Chris Eubank to approach Liam Smith perhaps a little bit differently, and 206 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,720 for Liam Smith, you know, for him it's like, yeah, it 207 00:13:16,799 --> 00:13:18,960 worked the first time, but can you do it a second time? Do 208 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:20,120 you have to put a couple of wrinkles in? Do you want to try 209 00:13:20,159 --> 00:13:22,600 to do something different? You don't want to just fight the exact same fight. 210 00:13:24,039 --> 00:13:26,320 So it is an intriguing matchup. I'm happy that we have it here. 211 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:30,720 You know, in the UK it's a sky Box office on pay per 212 00:13:30,799 --> 00:13:33,360 view like it was the first time around. Here in the United States, 213 00:13:33,399 --> 00:13:35,919 the first fight was brought to us on his own. This rematch as being 214 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,200 streamed on ESPN Plus, so we can definitely watch it at without the pay 215 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:45,279 per view searcharge on top of it. So you know what, that's I'm 216 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:50,679 down for that on a Saturday afternoon in September. And keep in mind here, 217 00:13:50,759 --> 00:13:54,440 Liam Smith even admitted this in the aftermath of the upset. He had 218 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,679 been contemplating retirement and now career fair to say, rejuvenated by the knockout back 219 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:03,279 on a bigger stage. This is a big deal again. You Bank Senior 220 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,679 an amazingly popular fighter in the nineties. This is his son trying to live 221 00:14:07,759 --> 00:14:11,360 up to it, and so there's a lot of hype around this. It'll 222 00:14:11,399 --> 00:14:15,679 be a live arena for sure in Manchester for the main event, because I 223 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,480 think it's fair to say if Liam Smith beats him again, you Bank Junior 224 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:22,759 is greatly damaged. Not to say that his career is over, but he's 225 00:14:22,799 --> 00:14:26,759 greatly damaged moving forward on what's next. So he's trying to get the rematch 226 00:14:26,799 --> 00:14:31,519 to get some of that reputation back. There's no doubt about that. And 227 00:14:31,559 --> 00:14:35,960 again we'll handicap this fight on the bet US Boxing Show Friday one Eastern Time 228 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,240 on the bet Us platforms on what we think will happen. But I agree 229 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,559 with you, I think there's some intrigue here in this week. A loss 230 00:14:43,559 --> 00:14:46,200 would of course, anytime a fighter loses, particular, if you're gonna lose 231 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,360 two in a row, it give me damaging. But I will say a 232 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,600 couple of things, but that number one, it depends on how he loses. 233 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,879 If he loses, that's always an important aspect of it. And number 234 00:14:52,919 --> 00:14:58,320 two, there's a lot of times where these types of rematches happen and the 235 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:03,240 guy who on the first fight wins a second fight also and it's chalked up 236 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,720 oftentimes to like whatever the reason for the style or whatever, that that guy 237 00:15:05,759 --> 00:15:09,159 just kind of had the guy's number, you know. I remember that was 238 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,720 all the talk, you know, and this is going back a number of 239 00:15:11,799 --> 00:15:15,120 years ago, having covered the fights between Shane Moseley and Winki Right and Shane 240 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,399 Mosley and Vernon Force. You know, those guys just had Chane's number because 241 00:15:18,399 --> 00:15:20,519 other than that, he was obviously one of the best confert pound fighters in 242 00:15:20,519 --> 00:15:22,120 the world. He won a bunch of titles, beat some good equality opponents. 243 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,840 He's in the Hall of Fame. Those guys just had his number, 244 00:15:24,879 --> 00:15:28,519 so to speak, and we can you know, maybe maybe Tyson Fury has 245 00:15:28,559 --> 00:15:31,840 Deontay Wilder's number, that type of thing. I mean, there's more recent 246 00:15:31,879 --> 00:15:37,240 examples of that, and so you know, it'll be it'll be interesting to 247 00:15:37,279 --> 00:15:39,759 see how it goes. Because if Liam Smith the wins again, you know, 248 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,600 in the middleweight division, especially, which is a very barren weight class 249 00:15:43,639 --> 00:15:45,519 at the moment. I got a figure he's going to be in line to 250 00:15:45,559 --> 00:15:48,159 get some kind of title opportunity because hey, he'll have score two very solid 251 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,159 wins against a name opponent in the middleweight division. And he's a big, 252 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:58,360 bigger name at least in the UK than most anybody in a middleweight division. 253 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:03,840 Bereft of a top name guy. It's just like four podcast and I know 254 00:16:03,039 --> 00:16:08,080 that you've gotten bereft in. I love the middleweight division. Usually it's around 255 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,039 the middleweight division. You keep saying bereft Yes, well that's that's the thing. 256 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:15,879 So the great tradition of the middleweight division is kind of the lacking at 257 00:16:15,879 --> 00:16:18,519 the moment. You know, again to review, you have Jamal Charlot who 258 00:16:18,559 --> 00:16:26,759 is the WBC champion who hasn't fought. Now we just pardiculous eight hundred days 259 00:16:26,799 --> 00:16:30,000 of enacting. It's ridiculous, and he apparently has no intention of fighting anytime 260 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:36,080 soon. And why the WBC won't just elevate Carlos Adams they're unified. I 261 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:40,080 mean, I'm sorry they're interim champion and say you're the guy because at least 262 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,399 I'm wrong. You're in these circles, you're hearing things. He is Jamal 263 00:16:42,559 --> 00:16:47,200 Charlos slated to fight before the end of this year, because it doesn't look 264 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:51,360 specific that I've heard of. I mean, but what I would like to 265 00:16:51,399 --> 00:16:53,759 see the WBC do if at the at the at the best case scenario, 266 00:16:55,519 --> 00:16:59,320 just just do what they did to Devin Haney for different reasons. Make them 267 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,120 the in recess champion. And when he's ready to come back, if he's 268 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:03,880 healthy and he's got his mind right and everything's okay and he wants to fight, 269 00:17:04,279 --> 00:17:07,200 he can have the next title shot. And Latadomas, you know, 270 00:17:07,519 --> 00:17:11,440 be the actual champion who's been fighting and winning and looking pretty good. So 271 00:17:11,759 --> 00:17:15,000 but to review again, this is for the winner of this fight. Even 272 00:17:15,039 --> 00:17:19,160 if it's you Bank who wins, he'll have avenged his loss. He'll have 273 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:23,240 beaten another good name. You Bank has a big name himself, and so 274 00:17:23,319 --> 00:17:26,200 he would they either one of these guys would be automatically one of the bigger 275 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,400 names in the already are one of the bigger names in the weight class. 276 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:33,200 So Charlot as I mentioned eight hundred days of an activity with the WBC title, 277 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:37,000 you have carl Sadomas with the interim title, who's been fighting on showtime 278 00:17:37,039 --> 00:17:41,000 but hasn't scored like a big name public kind of victory. You know, 279 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:45,079 if everybody knows about You have Janebeck, who's the WBO champion. He got 280 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:49,680 the new the new IBF guy who's as obscure as it gets in any champion 281 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:56,200 in the entire sport. Vincenzo Gaultieri, Jannebec and Gutierre are going to fight 282 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,880 each other in October and a unification fight on a top rank Espan card, 283 00:18:00,319 --> 00:18:03,119 where you know, usually it's a lot of a lot of problems and difficulties 284 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:07,880 making these unifications. They're like, let's do it. They made a reasonable 285 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,160 deal with everybody because there was nothing else for Jannon Back to do. Gutieri 286 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,640 had. Gutier is so unknown that even in his home country in Germany, 287 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,000 when he won the vacant title that triple g vacated, he fought Asteva Falco, 288 00:18:18,039 --> 00:18:21,799 who was also a top rank fighter at the time, since released after 289 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,039 the loss. But that fight wasn't even televised in Germany to my knowledge. 290 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,279 They the Agon Sports, which was the promoter, had to put it on 291 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:33,160 their YouTube channel. So now at least the idea here is if they unify, 292 00:18:33,839 --> 00:18:37,559 you know, the winner at least can can get some kind of profile, 293 00:18:37,799 --> 00:18:41,359 and the other title holder in the way classes Arislandi Lara, who is 294 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:47,920 you know, slightly listening, slightly less inactive than Charlois. So in the 295 00:18:48,079 --> 00:18:52,279 end, the guy that wins on Saturday is going to be a middleweight with 296 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,640 a big name, even bigger have come off a big win and should fit 297 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,440 into the tunnel picture because let me tysonthing, this is a non fight. 298 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,960 This is the biggest middleweight fight in the division, in including title fights. 299 00:19:04,279 --> 00:19:08,079 From a commercial standpoint, this is a bigger fight than Jennebeck against Bookcare in 300 00:19:08,079 --> 00:19:11,920 their unifying world titles. I agree with you, and again it's a rabid 301 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,839 situation. We know this. We've got a lot of fans in the UK 302 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,960 that listen to us and read us on Big Fight Weekend dot com, that 303 00:19:18,039 --> 00:19:21,440 read your substack. They're into this and it's a big deal for Saturday. 304 00:19:21,519 --> 00:19:26,839 So immediately preceding that very intriguing junior welterweight fight. From this standpoint, Adam 305 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:32,240 Azeem Adam a Zeem, I'll get it out straight, is a prospect on 306 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:36,559 the rise. He's only had what nine pro fights. He's fighting a veteran 307 00:19:37,039 --> 00:19:41,279 in the junior welterweight that's a Ukrainian fighter that's had like thirty pro fights. 308 00:19:41,319 --> 00:19:45,160 So this is the classic youth versus the experience. But a Zeem has got 309 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,440 a lot of buzz around him and I watched some of the press conference on 310 00:19:48,599 --> 00:19:52,559 Thursday. He talks a good game that got a little cockiness in him. 311 00:19:52,839 --> 00:19:55,160 This is the co feature fight. Give me more on this fight please. 312 00:19:55,880 --> 00:20:00,279 Well he's eight to oh with six knockouts and you know he's only tw one 313 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,200 years old and he's been a fast rising fighter. I mean, he This 314 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:04,640 is how much some people in the UK think of him, and this is 315 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,480 highly unusual. So Sky Sports, which has been involved with boxing for many, 316 00:20:08,519 --> 00:20:12,920 many years, they are now the home of They have an exclusive agreement 317 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,559 with a boxer which is the promoter of this card. They also are the 318 00:20:17,079 --> 00:20:19,160 UK home of all the top rank events. For many years, they did 319 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,799 Frank Lawrence fights. For many years, they did natural fights. But anyway, 320 00:20:22,799 --> 00:20:26,119 they're like the biggest broadcaster for boxing in the UK. They actually took 321 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,160 a kid that was at the time, I want to say at the time 322 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:30,920 they did this, he was seven though, and they signed Adam Zem to 323 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,880 a contract. That's how much they think of this kid in terms of his 324 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,400 future star potential. Like you mentioned, he speaks well, he's got the 325 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:42,160 swagger from a personality standpoint, he's got a little nuss team homed in him. 326 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:47,519 Even if he's not that cockey. But I've been watching him since pretty 327 00:20:47,559 --> 00:20:51,559 much his pro His pro debut was actually on an ESPN Plus undercard from a 328 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,519 British card that they brought in to the United States, so I remember seeing 329 00:20:55,599 --> 00:20:57,680 that even that was the one time early on that he went to distance. 330 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:02,440 It was a six rounder. But you know, he's a very intriguing, 331 00:21:02,559 --> 00:21:06,359 exciting, entertaining prospect with a lot of punching power, already has a fan 332 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:11,319 base, already has headline h granted not a big arenas but in some smaller 333 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,880 places, but even at that level, to be the main event on those 334 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,079 types of shows as a pretty good feather in the guy's cap. So this 335 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:22,400 fight between himself and Aaron Fanian, which was the opponent that you mentioned, 336 00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:26,079 was twenty three and one. They were originally supposed to fight back earlier in 337 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:32,839 the year, but the fight because it was was postponed because uh Azeem suffered 338 00:21:32,839 --> 00:21:34,519 a hand injury, but not the normal kind of hand injury. He ended 339 00:21:34,599 --> 00:21:40,480 up having an infection that was caused because he had cuts on his knuckle and 340 00:21:40,599 --> 00:21:44,039 so he got some kind of infection in there. Uh Due to that situation, 341 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:45,599 they had a postpone this fight for you know a little bit. So 342 00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:49,000 that's the co feature. So that was originally going to be a main event, 343 00:21:49,039 --> 00:21:52,400 so now it's the co feature on this card. And uh, you 344 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,200 know, I I'm all in on the on the Azee bandwagon at this moment. 345 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,160 And then also, you know, you got Frasier Clark was a heavyweight 346 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,000 that was a medal winner in the twenty twenty Olympic Games. A little bit 347 00:22:02,039 --> 00:22:06,400 older. He's taken on the popular sort of every man in Britain, Dave 348 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,079 Allen. That's like, should be a fun fight, I hope. And 349 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,599 the other fight that may be of interest to some of the Americans over here 350 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,960 is that you have MICHAELA. Mayer who is now moving from She remember she 351 00:22:17,079 --> 00:22:22,480 was a unified title holder in the junior lightweight division. She lost her titles 352 00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:26,519 to Alicia bomb Garner, which I'm sure a lot of people will call into 353 00:22:26,599 --> 00:22:30,759 question now given bomb Garner's positive drug test not that long ago. That fight 354 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,319 was in October of last year. She moved up and had one fight so 355 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,160 far in the lightweight division, and now she's moving up yet again to fight 356 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,079 a fighter named Sylvia bort Bortote, and that is a junior welterweight fight, 357 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:45,319 and she is intimated that she will also at some point in the near future 358 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,519 go up even heavier beyond that, and you know, she has a kind 359 00:22:48,559 --> 00:22:51,799 of frame that probably can handle that. And it's not uncommon at all if 360 00:22:51,799 --> 00:22:53,519 you follow women's boxing, for these ladies to go up to go down, 361 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:59,119 you know, in several different weight classes. So this is sort of it's 362 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:00,680 like a new chapter career. She goes to another weight class. What do 363 00:23:00,759 --> 00:23:04,200 you make of the fact, because I think people are curious. She was 364 00:23:04,319 --> 00:23:08,759 fighting several times, even headlined for top rank in the United States, and 365 00:23:08,839 --> 00:23:12,640 now she's primarily been fighting her more prominent fights. And we understand for the 366 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:17,799 titles. But Bomb Gardner's an American and they fought as part of what was 367 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,559 the Claressa shields helped me in Savannah Marshall. They were the co feature. 368 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:26,079 But she's fighting again in the UK. Is that because the money is better 369 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,960 or what? What do you read into this? This will be Michaelis third 370 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,880 fight in a row in the UK. She fought the Bomb Gardner unification, 371 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,960 the last fight against Lucy Wildheart that was also on one of the bigger undercards, 372 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,079 and now this fight that's on the EU bank and Liam Smith undercard. 373 00:23:41,599 --> 00:23:47,119 Top Rank has a working relationship if you will, with Sky I mean with 374 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,799 boxer, and the reason is because they're both on the same network over in 375 00:23:49,839 --> 00:23:56,480 the UK. And the bottom line is Top Rank does not have I mean, 376 00:23:56,599 --> 00:24:00,599 they're they're involved in women's boxing moment at the moment. They promote Michaela 377 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,359 Mayor, they promote her for her entire career coming out of the Olympics, 378 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:10,759 and they also have Uh, they promote than the unified straw weight champion help 379 00:24:10,839 --> 00:24:15,240 me out, I'm the name of. So those are the and they're both 380 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,640 you know, Sinisa and and Uh Sanisa and Uh and Mayor. They're both 381 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:25,279 excellent boxers on that on that women's if you're looking on pound for poundless, 382 00:24:26,079 --> 00:24:30,480 but they just don't have the opponents, and there's not a big commercial appetite 383 00:24:30,039 --> 00:24:34,039 for Michaela against just a nobody kind of opponent. You know, at least 384 00:24:34,079 --> 00:24:37,279 when they're putting in Sanisa, they're able to get her in unification fights and 385 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,799 and make bigger fights for her, but there's just not that level of an 386 00:24:41,839 --> 00:24:47,440 opponent. And so women's boxing as a certain level of populator in the UK. 387 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,119 Uh, there's the possibility that maybe in down the road Michaela will fight 388 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,200 like Jonas in the UK, which would be a bigger fight. So she's 389 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,359 going to be seen by more the British fans, and like you said, 390 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,359 there's more money to be made over there. So she seems to like her 391 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,119 experience fighting in the UK. And uh, that's where she can. You 392 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,039 know, you gotta fish where the fish are, you know what I mean. 393 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,720 And there's just not not space at the end at the moment for her 394 00:25:08,759 --> 00:25:14,839 to be the main event on an ESPN card. There's the lack of opponents, 395 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,559 not a lot of overwhelming interest. I mean, she was fighting if 396 00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:21,160 she was fighting like a Bomb Garnner rematch, let's say, of course she's 397 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:25,400 fighting some other bigger name opponent, that'd be one thing. But you couldn't 398 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,720 get away with her fighting Sylvia Borto here in the United States on an ESPN 399 00:25:29,759 --> 00:25:33,960 card probably, And keeping that's where I was going, is that she is 400 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,559 she is looking to get a good pay day and then another good pay day, 401 00:25:37,559 --> 00:25:41,279 because it's not great pay days at the moment for most of women's boxing. 402 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,240 It's not Donkey Day. I don't know what what Mikhaela is earning for 403 00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:48,079 this fight, but I guarantee you it's low six figures. Yeah, it 404 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,039 can't, it can't. You know, we're just speculating here, but it 405 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,319 can't be huge money to be fighting three or four fights down in a non 406 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,440 title fight. So go get the good pay days. Stay active. Go 407 00:25:59,519 --> 00:26:03,119 get a good pay day and then another good pay day and up up your 408 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,599 value. Hey, what a novel concept. Stay active and up your value. 409 00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:10,039 We were talking about this before with Tim Zoo a couple of weeks ago. 410 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,240 Stay active, up your up your value, up your profile, up 411 00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:17,079 your dollars. I mean it's not that absolutely active. I mean, this 412 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:18,960 will be her second fight this year. She fought two fights in twenty twenty 413 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,880 two. I doubt she's going to fight a third time in twenty twenty three. 414 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,119 I mean, I guess you never know because of what might happen come 415 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:27,759 December. But I've not heard any rumblings of a third fight. So, 416 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:30,720 you know, two fights a year. I mean that's unfortunately, that's sort 417 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,359 of the norm these days. And uh, you know, good luck to 418 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,359 work. We'll see. I mean, she gets a bigger fight after this 419 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:41,839 as she wins. Let's move on to other news. The Canelo Alvarez Jemel 420 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:47,079 Charlo undercard press conference was earlier this week. What are your impressions. I 421 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,799 know you're Dennis Ugas is in one of those bouts. What else stood out, 422 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,559 if anything from the pressers that they had as they kicked off that for 423 00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:59,000 late this month, Well, they did have that news conference, and it 424 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,880 was kind of I was glad to see that that PBC and TGB and Showtime 425 00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:07,000 that they actually did a separate, actual press conference for this undercard as opposed 426 00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:08,920 to, you know, they'll just do maybe like a zoom where they do 427 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,839 they call it a virtual press conference. They bring guys on. But it 428 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,519 was good to like gather everybody it's given this undercard sort of the gravitas that 429 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,480 it deserves because it is a very quality undercard. There's a lot of material 430 00:27:19,839 --> 00:27:22,720 and a lot of interesting guys to think about and write about, and they're 431 00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:26,039 good match up. So I definitely give this undercard a lot of props. 432 00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:30,079 And I'm anybody that knows me, I can be awfully hard on undercards. 433 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,519 You know, I expect value from my money if I'm buying a pay per 434 00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:36,880 view, and I do that on behalf of the fans. We should all 435 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,400 get our money's worth on these pay per view events. I don't have that 436 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,200 fancy espan expensia anymore. I pay for my own pay per views now. 437 00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:47,799 But the point here on this fight is that it wasn't so much something specific 438 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,480 that stood out at the news conference. It was that it's such a good 439 00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:53,720 undercard in general. So just to review real quickly, you have a co 440 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,279 feature which to me is, you know, should be a very exciting, 441 00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:02,480 you know, very interesting, you know, just a quality matchup. You 442 00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:04,799 got ericson Lubin, who's been a good contender in the germ middleweight division and 443 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,599 you know, fights everybody and won some loss on but he's always in a 444 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,079 good fight. He's taken on Hazel's Romos Junior, who's a very highly touted 445 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,640 young up and comer, a twenty zero. That should be a hell of 446 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,000 a fight in my opinion. And then the rest of the card you mentioned, 447 00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:22,440 you got or Dennis Lugas is fighting Mario Barrios. They're meeting for the 448 00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:29,599 interim WBC welterweight title. Mainly because everybody believes that Darryl Spence and Terrence Crawford 449 00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:33,440 are both moving up and waiting that Crawford won't defend the undisputed he'll go to 450 00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:37,519 that weight glass. So this is again in my viewpoint, in essence, 451 00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:41,160 this is going to be for retroactively. This will be for the what will 452 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,680 eventually become the vacant WBC title, which the winner of this will be elevated. 453 00:28:44,759 --> 00:28:47,440 So but that's the nice match. Ugus has been out for a while 454 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,759 because of the eye injury he suffered against Spence. You know, Barrios, 455 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,640 I don't necessarily think he belongs in this fight based on his track record of 456 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,839 wins and losses, but he's always in a good fights. He's a personable 457 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,440 guy, makes good fights. Again, for the third fight down the card, 458 00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:04,640 that's solid and then you get the opening fight that they had and you 459 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,000 saw the guy's face off with each other. You got the undefeated Elijah Garcia, 460 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,880 who's like, you know, just a young guy twenty I think twenty 461 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,519 or twenty one years old. If that undefeated, a big knockout artist. 462 00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:18,960 He's taken on Armando Zendez. There's only got one loss. Uh. He's 463 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,720 coming off a big win against Jared Hurd, who he stopped in an upset 464 00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:26,039 and what was the fight of the year type fight. Just they're an excellent 465 00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:27,440 undercard. So I did write a piece about some of the press cards. 466 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:33,359 I focused this one particular story mainly on you know, Ugas and and Barrios 467 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,119 and what's at stake for those guys. But there's a lot of stuff to 468 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,720 think about, right about and and and talk about as relates his undercard, 469 00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:44,000 just a just a very good, solid undercard. It deserves it's it's props 470 00:29:44,039 --> 00:29:47,880 because when the undercards that some promoters put on stink out loud, we ripped 471 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:48,720 the shit out of them. So you got to give him a tip of 472 00:29:48,759 --> 00:29:51,839 the hat when they put on something that's worthwhile. I do I do know, 473 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:52,680 because you brought it up a couple of times. This one is so 474 00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:56,119 much better than what the undercard looked like and turned out to be for the 475 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,200 Crawford spins that we were out there together. This one on paper at least 476 00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:03,799 looks a lot better than that. You're encouraged by that for later in the 477 00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:07,160 month in Las Vegas, And I didn't think the Spence Crawford wasn't wasn't a 478 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,119 bad fight on paper. I mean especially don't forget they had some stuff they 479 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,440 to move around because of injuries. So if you can get Nonido Donair against 480 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,160 Santiago on as an undercard fight, that was good. I mean, so 481 00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:19,000 I'm not this one is better. But I didn't think that that was a 482 00:30:19,079 --> 00:30:22,079 bad one either, all right, fair enough, and that again is coming 483 00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:25,000 at the end of the month at the team And by the way, the 484 00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:29,759 main event on paper first Spence Crawford. Again, I liked Charlo and Knello, 485 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,960 not knocking the fight at all, but if you made me pick that 486 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,880 was a better main event, of course. And you kept saying, and 487 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,279 this is true a lot of times when you're buying those pay per views, 488 00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:40,880 you're buying it for the main event. Anyway, you're just saying, hey, 489 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,279 this is a much better undercard on this one. I was just excited 490 00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:47,440 that they brought all the six guys together, Yes, got them all talk 491 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:48,680 it up. They had the nice photo ops, gave us a lot of 492 00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:52,160 material to write about, to think about as fans and as writers, and 493 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,839 I just I just really like the undercard and I'm excited to be going out 494 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,920 to Vegas once again in late September to cover this event. And it's it's 495 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,359 just gonna be a lot of fun and it's a good show. Good stuff. 496 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:08,319 More news you are reporting this? Uh, the Joe Cordina next title 497 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,160 fight is coming in November. Tell me what you have learned here for that 498 00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:17,400 match Room show? When last we saw Cordina a Fight of the Year tied 499 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,119 candidate with Rock them off a tremendous fight. So what have you learned about 500 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,119 November here? Well, there is a card, you know, and they 501 00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:27,640 haven't done it in a couple of years, but match Room has done some 502 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:33,319 cards in Monte Carlo, in Monaco and in a very small room they have 503 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,599 there, but they pay to bring in like you know, to have a 504 00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:40,640 professional event at one of the you know, many casinos that are in Monte 505 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:45,400 Carlo. And so Cordinia is supposed to headline against a fighter named Edward Vasquez 506 00:31:45,839 --> 00:31:49,039 that will take place on November fourth in Monte Carlo. It has not been 507 00:31:49,079 --> 00:31:53,240 announced yet, but that is uh, there's no doubt that that's Remember originally 508 00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:57,319 Cordinia was going to fight in September and it ended up you know, Eddie 509 00:31:57,359 --> 00:32:01,960 Herne had gone on some YouTube interview and had talked about September thirtieth as a 510 00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:07,000 date for Cordina's next to his first defense of his second title reign, and 511 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,160 that suddenly disappeared, and so this is going to take its place, and 512 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,759 it's just gonna move to this new date, and so you know, it'll 513 00:32:13,759 --> 00:32:15,319 be good to see Joe get back in action. Like you mentioned that tremendously 514 00:32:15,359 --> 00:32:19,799 exciting fight against rock him Up when he when he regained the title that he 515 00:32:19,799 --> 00:32:22,519 don't even stripped of because he had a hand injury. So, like I 516 00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:23,960 said, he's fighting Edward Vaska, is not a top name opponent, but 517 00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:28,240 nonetheless that step fight. And then my man, the little guy who I 518 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,400 love the ib of junior flyweight champion uh City Non Shinga, who was in 519 00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:36,680 that phenomenal fight and I picked as the fight of the year last year that 520 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,759 he had in Mexico when he won this title. He's gonna take on a 521 00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:43,599 fighter named Adrian Curio, and then they've got some other fights on the Cardolso, 522 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,559 but those are the two title fights that are on there, and you 523 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,920 know what, that's that's a nice show. That's a nice doublehead. Or 524 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,319 they may not be fighting the big name opponents, but both Cordina and Non 525 00:32:54,359 --> 00:33:00,240 Shinga make exciting entertaining fights, and that's what I'm all about. So bring 526 00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:02,880 me something that's good, whether even if it's a knockout, so be it, 527 00:33:04,079 --> 00:33:05,720 you know, against a guy you may not have ever heard of. 528 00:33:05,839 --> 00:33:08,880 But that is I guess that natural has not yet annound that I would anticipate 529 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,039 that, you know, in the coming weeks that will formally be announced. 530 00:33:13,079 --> 00:33:15,759 But that's what we're looking at. Coordina the big right hand and that Rock 531 00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:19,920 them Off fight. Rock'em Off, was valiant, was hurt, hurt 532 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,599 Cordina later in the fight. I'd love to see a rematch down the road 533 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,319 with that. I mean, I understand you explained it before. For financial 534 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:29,279 reasons, Cordina is going to fight other people and maybe comes back around to 535 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,920 Rock them Off if if they make that fight for twenty twenty four, etc. 536 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,920 More news you reported on your substack. This again is another reason why 537 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:43,039 you need to be a subscriber to Dan's substack. In his material the Jake 538 00:33:43,119 --> 00:33:45,440 Paul Nate Diaz pay per view numbers that was all the way back at the 539 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:51,160 beginning of August in Dallas, and this, I think it's fair to say 540 00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:57,319 this was a good pay per view from a revenue standpoint, and you understand 541 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,880 why the crossover of a big time UFC star can help make sense. So 542 00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:04,880 tell me more about what you found out about the numbers and the revenue. 543 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,960 Yeah, listen, Jake Paul has become like a money machine. I mean, 544 00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:13,639 now he's not doing the pay per view numbers and revenue and gates that 545 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:19,800 they do for a Canelo fight, or they did for Spence against Terrence Crawford. 546 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,039 You know, six hundred and fifty pay per view, thousand pay per 547 00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:24,320 views, a twenty one million dollars gate, or you know one point two 548 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:29,400 million pay per views that Tank Davis and Ryan Garcia did to the tune of 549 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,519 I forget the gate, but it was like the one of the biggest gates 550 00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:35,960 in Nevada. It was like twenty play. It was it beat the It 551 00:34:36,039 --> 00:34:39,639 beat the Spence and the Crawford one. But it was again well over twenty 552 00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:45,119 million dollars. So but just from his sheer numbers in terms of actual buys, 553 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,360 Murmoso, the fight was a lot cheaper. Those are like eighty five 554 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,719 dollars showtime pay per views. This was like a sixty dollars. That's a 555 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,440 big difference twenty bucks. But Anyway, here's the point though, for a 556 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:59,800 guy that's a novice taken on Nate DS who's obviously got theme and of popularity 557 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,440 and fan base of his own because he performed and you know, some of 558 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,519 the biggest UFC pay per views that the company has ever had, but coming 559 00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:07,920 into boxing for his pro debut, for them to do four hundred and fifty 560 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:13,159 thousand pay per view buys, that's very impressive. I mean, that's the 561 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,360 third biggest of this year. That was more than Canello did against John Ryder 562 00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:22,039 for example. Now granted that was not considered a mega fight. It was 563 00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:23,440 in next Go, didn't have a lot of promotion in the United States, 564 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,960 and you know, so I'm not I'm not calling Canello out. I'm just 565 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,360 making the point that just from the number standpoint, you know, there's a 566 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,239 difference. Not to mention by the way that on the night of the fight 567 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,800 when NATEDS and Jake Paul fought, uh, you know, Nikisabadarian, who 568 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,639 is his business partner and MVB Promotions, you know, went to the press 569 00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:42,599 conference and announced that they had done like a three point one million dollar gate 570 00:35:43,159 --> 00:35:45,199 at the American Airline Center in Dallas. That's a lot of money, you 571 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,960 know, for that kind of fight. That wasn't a title, no pound 572 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,880 for pount implications, just two guys with fan bases who are fighting a crossover 573 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,840 kind of fight. So I've always said on this podcast from day one, 574 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,719 and you can go back and check the tapes DJ, I've always given my 575 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,920 respect to what Jake Paulo's doing. I know he's not everybody's cup of tea 576 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:06,320 and it's not world championship boxing pound for pound stuff, but I respect what 577 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,480 he's doing. He brings fans in. His fights are entertaining in my opinion. 578 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,960 He works hard, and to me, there's room and under the big 579 00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:15,920 tent of boxing for all these types of events, and it shows you they're 580 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,880 not going anywhere if he can keep doing numbers like that, because that was 581 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,880 a bigger number than he did with Tommy Furydac in Februar. I granted that 582 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,639 was in the afternoon American time. And by the way, let me clarify 583 00:36:25,679 --> 00:36:30,519 something because I've seen some stuff on Twitter. The four fifty is the United 584 00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:34,199 States pay per view, not the worldwide because it was available on the Zone 585 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,920 in other countries. It was also an America. It was available on the 586 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,760 Zone ESPN plus PPV dot com. You know your linear television, your satellite 587 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,840 services. Four fifty is just the platforms available in the United States. That's 588 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,760 got nothing to do with if there was available on a pay per view basis 589 00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:52,800 in some other country. We do apples to apples, and it's we go 590 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,360 on the American domestic number. And you've done a great job explaining that over 591 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,239 and over again in these podcasts that we do here as part of the Big 592 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:04,360 Fight we Can podcasts and UH and the Fight Freaks Unite recaps. Look, 593 00:37:04,679 --> 00:37:08,800 I was I was there for the rematch with Tyron Woodley and the arena was 594 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:17,039 full in December of twenty twenty one for that showdown again he fought Anderson Silva 595 00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:21,840 in the Glendale, Arizona Arena whatever that is now Desert Diamond Arena, and 596 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,639 it was full. I don't know in the configuration how many seats they had, 597 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:30,159 but it was easily ten thousand plus at the American Airline Center, it 598 00:37:30,199 --> 00:37:34,519 may have been fourteen or fifteen. He set my point, he's selling tickets, 599 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,000 he's selling pay per views. I don't know how long it's gonna hold 600 00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:43,960 up if it's not boxers. But now no one can argue he's selling tickets 601 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,079 and there is buzz, and that's what's your point is, this is what's 602 00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:50,760 important about this is why the reason why this was a bigger deal for the 603 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,760 long term than maybe other fights he had were. This was him coming off 604 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:59,760 of a loss the Fury. A lot of people suggested or thought, oh, 605 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,719 you know, once Jake Paul loses, the jig is up and it's 606 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,199 over and out, he'll be on. It won't be undefeated anymore, and 607 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,679 no one's going to give a shit. And there's a lot if I interject, 608 00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:09,280 there's a lot of belief he's going to go to the WWE with his 609 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,440 brother and be a professional wrestler, and that's out there. There's a lot 610 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,440 of wrestling reporting whatever, for whatever it's worth that that's what he will eventually 611 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:21,320 do. But continue with your thought about what the revenue points that in terms 612 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,199 of boxing, he was able to absorb the loss, a close loss, 613 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,679 but a loss nonetheless against Fury, who was the first time he ever faced 614 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,719 an actual, you know, a guy that was only a boxer, not 615 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:36,559 an mm a fighter, not a you know, a fellow social media person 616 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,679 or a basketball player, like Nate Robinson just you know, or MMA guy. 617 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,239 He went back to the MMA guy with the Nads fight. But the 618 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,880 point was people still wanted to watch him even though he had lost the fury. 619 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,519 And then, of course you mentioned there's the prospect of him going to 620 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:52,480 WWE to perform with his brother, Logan Paul, who again, if you 621 00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:55,239 watch those clips, his brother has just done some amazing things. And if 622 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:59,639 you like w tow that dude's made some crazy moves. And in terms of 623 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:04,320 this forformance in the ring, for WW and Logan and Logan Paul has signed 624 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,159 a multi year, multimillion dollar deal with WWE. Nobody's laughing at that anymore. 625 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:13,519 So the other thing is, and you know, I don't know if 626 00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:15,920 this has happened, but I talked to Nikisa and they're serious about doing this. 627 00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:20,559 Maybe not in the next fight, but at some point, and both 628 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,639 Nate and Jake spoke about it after the fight in the ring. I think 629 00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:28,559 that Jake is he would seriously entertain this. He's not worried about taking a 630 00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:31,400 loss. He's wants to make big events about doing a fight with natedeas in 631 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,360 the cage under MMA rules. And as I said in a column that I 632 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,159 wrote after that. I mean, I don't have anything against I mean maybe, 633 00:39:37,159 --> 00:39:38,920 but it's usually not something I pay a lot of attention to. I 634 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,840 mean, I watched the highlights, and you know, occasionally watch some of 635 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,360 the events if they're on free TV. I've never bought a and then they 636 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,000 pay per view of any kind. But I'm telling you right here, right 637 00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:52,960 now, if Jake Paul's fighting as in the cage, big Man's buying the 638 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:57,000 pay per view, and there is some belief that will be a bigger deal 639 00:39:57,119 --> 00:40:00,079 because of the UFC fans that will gravitate that fight. Now, can they 640 00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:04,920 make that happen? Jake Paul keeps maintaining he wants ten million dollars to make 641 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,920 that happen, don't we all? But that's there, No, that's when 642 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,400 Nadiaz wants. But you know what, it based on the numbers that could 643 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:14,039 do. That's not that's not even like out of the realm of doing it. 644 00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:15,559 I don't think. All right, we'll see what Jake Paul does next. 645 00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:19,400 But that's interesting reporting on what you cobbled together. You were getting that 646 00:40:19,559 --> 00:40:22,400 from Dan and his substack. First, let's continue with a couple more news 647 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:27,800 items than some nostalgia before we are done, including good Rocky Marciano nostalgia coming 648 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:32,400 up speaking of a heavyweight like the rock was your boy? Zen Kotsabutski is 649 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,880 back, boy, my boy? I thought it was your boy, Flashy 650 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,000 Sebastian. Wasn't that his name that Sugar Ray Robinson knocked out? Anyway? 651 00:40:39,079 --> 00:40:44,960 Is it my boy? Kosabutski? He says, I am sorry for Is 652 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,599 he sorry for all the low blows or just some of them because there were 653 00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:50,920 about two hundred and seven of them against Fayett Jogba last Saturday night. He's 654 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,280 apologizing. Do you believe it's sincere? What's going on here? What's up? 655 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,199 I don't believe it's sincere. But let's backtrack. So on Saturday of 656 00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,400 last week he had that undercart when when Anderson fought in the main event on 657 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:06,840 the ESPN card against Rodenko, the co feature was Kosa Bootski against Faa Jagba, 658 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,519 and Kosa Bootski kept hitting him in the ball. I mean, forget 659 00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:15,079 about the controversy about what happened with us against Danga Duwa. These were dick 660 00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:20,280 shots, okay, these were really low below the belt. I mean it 661 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,360 down in the south of the border, big time down in the man Paus. 662 00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:28,599 Yeah, so he and he did it multiple times. Now, the 663 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,599 referee in that fight multiple you know, took two points away from him for 664 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,639 the various infractions. Chris Forez, I thought the rep did a good job. 665 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,400 And even when he did it again, he actually was like, look, 666 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,079 he gave him one more hard warning and was like, I'm you know, 667 00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:43,559 at some point he's gonna have to d Q him, but he didn't 668 00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:45,239 want a DQ him there. Okay, I was okay with that. A 669 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,519 jog bad. Give him enough shot back, even though I didn't think that 670 00:41:47,559 --> 00:41:52,079 one was on purpose. The Kosabouski shots were clearly blatant. And then so 671 00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:54,960 when he did it again twice in round four while the referee was staring right 672 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,199 at him and he didn't just hit him like on the belt line, he 673 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:04,920 had him like way way way below dirty, really bad not low blows, 674 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,639 he disqualified him. So then his promoter universe him. Remember he had signed 675 00:42:08,639 --> 00:42:10,760 a co promotion with Top Break, which I don't think is going to be 676 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:17,159 interested to use him anytime soon. They put out a statement where he apologized. 677 00:42:17,159 --> 00:42:20,840 So I was down with the apology till I got to this part. 678 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,400 I'm gonna just read it off my computer screen. Here, he was. 679 00:42:25,519 --> 00:42:30,440 If you're going to apologize, just apologize. Don't try to reason and rationalize. 680 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,000 Just say I'm sorry, I was wrong, I didn't mean it, 681 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,760 or I didn't mean it, but I got out of control, whatever it 682 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,199 is. But don't make excuses. So generally speaking, let's just give a 683 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:44,079 little advice. Whether you're talking about I'm not saying this ever happened to me, 684 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,119 dealing with your wife, for example, and you've screwed up. The 685 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:51,920 more you start to explain, which is what you're talking about. You're not 686 00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:54,960 apologizing anymore, you're explaining. And the more you talked, the bigger the 687 00:42:55,079 --> 00:42:59,679 hole you're getting. That's what you're talking about. And he's trying to explain 688 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:04,320 in the statement, go ahead in pr lingo. The rule of thumb is 689 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,280 when you're in a hole, stop digging. That's right. So he started 690 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,000 off very well, I would you know they were fighting? Just so do 691 00:43:12,039 --> 00:43:15,719 you understand why he mentions the WBC This fight between the Jagua and Kosabitski was 692 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,760 for one of their regional titles, the WBC. They sanctioned the title. 693 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:22,320 He's in the WBC rankings. I would like to state to the highly respected 694 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,320 WBC family and all fans of boxing that I realized that they made wrong actions 695 00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:30,639 and therefore I want to apologize to the WBC, A, THEA JAGBA and 696 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,519 all fans from my non sporting behavior. I'm like, you know what, 697 00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:37,840 that's a good Now, it's a little stilt to cut right there, but 698 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:43,400 that was that was suffice as an apology. That will suffice, Yes, 699 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,000 and then he kind of lost me in the next line after receivering numerous low 700 00:43:47,079 --> 00:43:53,480 blow shots by my opponent, and I got out of control, lost my 701 00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:59,719 professionalism and tried to do a vigil antheism. So he didn't receive numerous low 702 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,679 blow He got like one that was a legit low blow that he kind of 703 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,599 leaned into. There wasn't a lot of like what I would term a lot 704 00:44:06,639 --> 00:44:08,519 of low blows, so I kind of didn't buy that. That's sort of 705 00:44:08,599 --> 00:44:13,840 like you know, Tyson complaining that holy Field kept headbutting him. Yes, 706 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,000 there was a couple of headbuts, but it wasn't like there was ten of 707 00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:19,920 them. So and by the way, in theology, we should say this 708 00:44:20,119 --> 00:44:23,320 in the chronology a Jogbub began to pay him back. He hit him once 709 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,960 low, like to pay him back after he'd been hit low two or three 710 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,440 times himself. And that's kind of the fighter's creed of Okay, you're gonna 711 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,280 keep fouling me, then I'm gonna foul you back, just to let you 712 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,760 know stop doing that. So that doesn't I mean, you should have stopped 713 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:42,440 digging. And then he stopped digging. He finished by saying, I know 714 00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:45,719 it had nothing to do with professional boxing. I will assure you that such 715 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,639 behavior will not be seen for me in the future. And I kept thinking 716 00:44:47,679 --> 00:44:50,719 to myself, it won't be seen from you in the future, because I 717 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,400 hope I don't see you in the future. Okay, he's not he's not 718 00:44:54,559 --> 00:44:59,519 in jeopardy of being suspended for his behavior. He's just disqualified as far as 719 00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:01,320 we know the Oklahoma. Yeah, I don't think there's I mean there's no 720 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:07,320 but in terms of ruining your chance to be featured by Top rank or in 721 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,079 this country, pretty well fluid for the time being. I mean no doubt. 722 00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:13,679 I'll put it like this. I spoke to somebody at Top Rank about 723 00:45:13,679 --> 00:45:15,960 it and asked about that. And while they wouldn't go out and say yes, 724 00:45:16,039 --> 00:45:20,599 we're going to release him. The perspective was, you know, before 725 00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:23,559 we bring him back, we need to see something significant in the in Europe. 726 00:45:24,119 --> 00:45:27,880 Uh, you know, where he behaves himself and looks solid in the 727 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,679 fight. So you know, you never say never. I mean, look, 728 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:31,719 at the end of the day, if Mike Tyson can come back, 729 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,400 you know, from biting off a chunk of at the ender Holly Field's ear, 730 00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:39,199 or Andrew Golotic to come back from being disqualified twice against Riddick Bow and 731 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:44,199 get another multiple world title shots, you can't write off coast of Bootski. 732 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,519 So you know, let him stew for that a bit. Let's see anything 733 00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:50,679 get back on track, keep it clean, and you know, everybody deserves 734 00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,920 a second chance, but I don't need to see that second chance for a 735 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:57,320 while. One more news item here, and you were already talking about the 736 00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:02,039 Jannabec unification title fight coming in October. You've got something about the undercard for 737 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:07,000 that as well that you've learned. So yes, my reporting says that on 738 00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:14,079 October fourteenth, when Jannebec and Gaultieri meet to unify their middleweight titles, and 739 00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:16,360 that fight hasn't been officially announced it either, although everybody you know a top 740 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,800 rank acknowledges that's happening. They just are waiting, I guess, to do 741 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,679 an official announcement. But my sources tell me that the lightweight up and comer, 742 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:29,199 the silver medal winner from the twenty twenty Olympic Games, the excellent prospect 743 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,920 the nine and OHO six knockouts, Keishan Davis, will fight in the co 744 00:46:32,119 --> 00:46:36,920 feature of that event against an opponent that has not yet been determined. As 745 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,119 he moves along in his fast track career, be good to see him back 746 00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:42,679 in action. I'm waiting for top rank at some point, and I think 747 00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,039 they'll do this in the future like they did with Jared Big Baby Anderson when 748 00:46:45,039 --> 00:46:49,880 they brought him out to Toledo for the hometown fight. I'm waiting for the 749 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,360 time when we see Keishan Davis get a main event in Norfolk, Virginia. 750 00:46:54,679 --> 00:46:59,119 Maybe I'll make that drive down down the interstate to attend that fight. But 751 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,360 yeah, so you have the middleweight unification in the main event, and then 752 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:06,039 it looks like Keishan will perform in the co feature, and you know he's 753 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:07,679 on the fast track. He's only not nine fights into his career. This 754 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,559 is already going to be his third schedule ten rounder, which he started this 755 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,920 year. And as you said, it's staying busy. It'll be his third 756 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:19,079 fight of the year, and so that's good. And he's got a type 757 00:47:19,159 --> 00:47:22,920 talent. What do I know? So get keep him busy and get him 758 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,400 towards a world title shot as soon as you can, because it's worth that 759 00:47:25,519 --> 00:47:29,199 guy. You can mark up. I mean for what it's worth. I 760 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,239 had him as my twenty twenty two fight for each Unite Prospect of the Year. 761 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:36,159 And I've been picking prospects for over twenty years, you know, from 762 00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:38,519 my days at USA today through my time at ESPN, and I've continued it 763 00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:44,639 forward in my newsletter. H Nostalgia time. Let's get into it. So 764 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:49,239 this was earlier in the week on August the twenty ninth of twenty fifteen, 765 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,840 So it was nine years ago this past week on Tuesday, that Leo Santa 766 00:47:52,920 --> 00:48:00,280 Cruz and Abner Marez fought an absolute brawl, tremendous fight, and you were 767 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,639 ringside for it. So tell me more on the nostalgia. Yeah, they 768 00:48:02,679 --> 00:48:07,519 were fighting for the vacant WBA featherweight title. When when the fight was made, 769 00:48:07,559 --> 00:48:10,360 by the way, it was just a fight you know that everybody wanted 770 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:15,079 to see. They were both among the top in their weight class. It 771 00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:17,280 was a fight everybody expect it would be fireworks, exciting. Two guys that 772 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,760 kind of been in and around their weight classes of against each other, you 773 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,119 know, fighting on PBC cards before that Golden Boy card. So, I 774 00:48:24,159 --> 00:48:27,960 mean it made sense to make the match. It was a very popular fight. 775 00:48:28,039 --> 00:48:30,679 It was sort of like they're both originally from Mexico, but they've made 776 00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,719 Southern California their home there, you know, most of their lives. And 777 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:37,880 so not only was it for the featherweight belt that was added to this like 778 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:42,000 a few days before the fight happened, but it was really when it was 779 00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:45,119 first announced that everybody were excited about. It was the bragging rights of LA. 780 00:48:45,159 --> 00:48:46,159 It was like who's the king of Los Angeles? You know, like 781 00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:52,800 a back backyard brawl type of thing, and uh, Staples Center was you 782 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:57,639 know, over thirteen thousand, very very excited, lraucous crowd, obviously mostly 783 00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,480 Mexican Mexican American fans, but just to tremend as battle they put on, 784 00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:05,199 you know, and at the time that this fight occurred, in twenty fifteen, 785 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,320 PBC was in the midst of having done like a bunch of these time 786 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:13,800 by deals with a variety of different networks. They were doing fights on CBS, 787 00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,280 NBC, ESPN, Spike, I'm probably the Fox. I mean, 788 00:49:16,639 --> 00:49:20,679 they had just had bounced TV. I can't remember even all of them. 789 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,760 The ESPN run that they had, and obviously I was working at the ESPN 790 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:29,559 at time was extraordinarily disappointing and it petered out after a very short period of 791 00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:34,039 time. There was threats of litigation to the extent where myself and dozens of 792 00:49:34,119 --> 00:49:37,840 other ESPN employees were you know, sent uh, you know from our legal 793 00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:45,679 department, you know, to preserve any and all PBC related emails and text 794 00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:50,000 message enners. Don't destroy anything because we're headed to litigation with Hayman. Blah 795 00:49:50,039 --> 00:49:53,039 blah blah. I didn't. I didn't destroy anything anyway. But the one 796 00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:59,159 So the most of the PBC events that that Hayman put on ESPN where he 797 00:49:59,199 --> 00:50:02,840 bought the time, were terrible. They were ship This was the one fight 798 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:07,719 of the handful of fights that he ultimately did on ESPN that was an a 799 00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,800 level, top level tremendous fight on paper, and it turned out that way 800 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,679 in the ring, and those two guys, Leo Santa Cruz and Adirm Marris, 801 00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,440 who I've always liked as guys and also as fighters in terms of the 802 00:50:17,559 --> 00:50:22,079 excitement, they put on a hell of a fight, super close. Santa 803 00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:25,440 Cruz definitely deserved the win that he got. It was the majority decision. 804 00:50:25,519 --> 00:50:29,480 I mean, I felt he deserved the unanimous but they put on a great 805 00:50:29,559 --> 00:50:32,800 fight. It was a twenty fifteen Fight of the Year candidate. They ended 806 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:37,159 up fighting again three years later and he rematched. That was a bit more 807 00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:42,400 one sided in favor of Leo Santa Cruz, but that that first fight was 808 00:50:42,519 --> 00:50:45,480 a great battle of Santa Cruz on the belt. It was a title for 809 00:50:45,519 --> 00:50:49,920 him in a third weight class, and just a really fun fight. Let 810 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,639 me tell you what I remember. You were ringside. I often joke with 811 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,920 you here in these times. In August, I worked Tampa Bay Buccaneers preseason 812 00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:00,280 games, and I still vividly remember this. So this is now eight years 813 00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:05,440 ago, at the time that we're doing this, that we were standing in 814 00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:07,920 the Raymond James Stadium press box. I'm done with all my radio duties the 815 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:13,480 meaningless preseason game is over, and that fight was on because it was on 816 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,559 one of the TVs was on ESPN, and there was a group of about 817 00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:17,880 seven or eight of us. I'm ready to leave and go get in my 818 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,639 car because it's literally eleven fifteen, eleven thirty, eleven forty five whatever it 819 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,199 was Eastern time to go, get in my car and drive home. I 820 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,679 worked for the night is over. I've been there since five o'clock in the 821 00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:34,400 afternoon. In the preseason. We stood there Raphael for easily the final three 822 00:51:34,599 --> 00:51:37,679 rounds, all of us, and there was yelling and whoa, and we 823 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:44,280 watched the end of that fight. I vividly remember that. So yes, 824 00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,760 good stuff. And I may have said ninety eight years ago of twenty fifteen, 825 00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:51,079 August of twenty fifteen, when really it's a really good fight. I 826 00:51:51,159 --> 00:51:53,000 know a lot of times we do the nostalgia. It's things that are maybe 827 00:51:53,199 --> 00:51:57,079 years even before that, and it's from the different era. But there was, 828 00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:01,400 you know, in that like two ten to twenty twenty decade, which 829 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:05,039 is the most recent year, let's say, there was a lot of good 830 00:52:05,039 --> 00:52:07,639 fights that are going to start to get there a claim when we do these 831 00:52:07,079 --> 00:52:12,039 you're saying we're getting old. No, I'm just saying you just turned you 832 00:52:12,159 --> 00:52:14,960 turned fifty three. I'm fifty three. We're starting to get old. But 833 00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:17,280 yes, you're right. I mean it's been about I'm just making the point 834 00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:22,599 that that there are lots of other exciting fights that may not be as famous, 835 00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:25,840 but maybe as we get further away from them, people will reflect on 836 00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:32,000 them look back more with more of excitement or or appreciation than maybe they do. 837 00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,960 But that was a great fight. I loved it, and one more 838 00:52:36,039 --> 00:52:39,880 piece of nostalgia involving Triple G because he made his United States and HBO debut 839 00:52:40,039 --> 00:52:45,639 eleven years ago Friday, as we released the podcast September one of twenty twelve. 840 00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,159 Tell me more about that. You could not have asked for a more 841 00:52:49,199 --> 00:52:53,599 spectacular American debut on HBO also than Triple G made in a middleweight title defense 842 00:52:53,639 --> 00:52:58,440 against the fighter Greg Proso, who was a very quality UH contender at that 843 00:52:58,519 --> 00:53:00,719 time. He was originally supposed to have a fight, I believe, a 844 00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,599 unification find I guess it was going to be against Dmitri Pierro, who hurt 845 00:53:04,679 --> 00:53:07,320 his back and was pretty much never heard from again. But Proxi was a 846 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:13,960 good replacement opponent, and Triple G and his team, Tom Loffler and that 847 00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:17,639 group had worked so hard to get him on HBO. They finally gave him 848 00:53:17,679 --> 00:53:22,960 the opportunity and they went to Turning Stone Casino in Verona, New York, 849 00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:28,039 and they met. They made this match on Boxing after Dark, and Tripleg 850 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,039 lived up to every every bit of the hype. Just a I mean and 851 00:53:31,159 --> 00:53:37,039 proxi, you know, was there as a willing combatant, but he just 852 00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:40,679 looked absolutely spectacular. And I wrote a column after that was like, this 853 00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,880 is this guy is going to be the real deal for years to come. 854 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,800 He looked absolutely incredible that night. The excitement that boxing fans had in the 855 00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,079 immediate aftermath of that fight sustained Tripleg. It was really the start of the 856 00:53:53,199 --> 00:53:57,960 legend. It really is what helped make him become a star, which he 857 00:53:58,119 --> 00:54:00,280 ultimately became. Maybe he didn't become as big a star as like a Canelo 858 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:04,719 Alvarez who turned out to be a great rival, but he became a very 859 00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,559 big deal. Was doing very big ratings on HBO, was drawing big time 860 00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:12,599 crowds wherever he fought, and he sold out places in London and Los Angeles 861 00:54:12,679 --> 00:54:15,079 and New York, you know, all over the place, had fought in 862 00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:17,119 a lot of different locations, spot in Monte Carlo, you know, just 863 00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:22,280 fought all over. Anyway, that that introduction to the United States audience in 864 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:27,440 a big way was absolutely sensational. Is you could not have drawn it up 865 00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,559 any more perfect. And the crazy thing in my mind not this is not 866 00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:35,119 this is just from my own point of view. I ended up covering sixteen 867 00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,960 triple G fights at ringside all over the United States. I traveled to the 868 00:54:38,039 --> 00:54:40,920 UK when he fought Kelbrook, for example. You know, I covered every 869 00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:45,400 single one of his American fights except for the one that he fought against zere 870 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,760 Metta in the bubble because of COVID, so I didn't go to that, 871 00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:51,800 and this fight was the first one, so I didn't. This was the 872 00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:53,199 one I didn't go too, but I watched it. I would have loved 873 00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:57,719 to have been there. But you couldn't draw it up any better than what 874 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,039 he did that night September one. Well, fair to say he was one 875 00:55:01,079 --> 00:55:06,079 of those guys in the twenty tens in his in his run here that was 876 00:55:06,119 --> 00:55:10,079 a pound for pound top two or three guy every year. And you can 877 00:55:10,159 --> 00:55:14,360 watch these fights, and you see and you see why I get so sick 878 00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,880 and tired of seeing the people that that that say that Triple G w Hoody 879 00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,639 ever beat he doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame someday, which he will 880 00:55:20,639 --> 00:55:22,679 be on the first ballot when he gets on the ballot, that they just 881 00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:27,599 disrespect him so much. They don't pay any attention to the number of defenses 882 00:55:27,639 --> 00:55:30,480 he made so that you know, he may not have fought you know, 883 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,760 the superstars, because there really wasn't other than Canello at that time. You 884 00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,280 know, Sergio Martinez wanted no part of him. Lou Debella, my good 885 00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,960 friend, came to ringside one night, you know, and was like, 886 00:55:40,519 --> 00:55:44,679 I'm not gonna put Sergio in with that beast. I mean, they didn't 887 00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,800 even make a secret they were dunking the guy. You know. I always 888 00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:51,039 gave David Lemue credit because when he was the IBF champion, he was the 889 00:55:51,079 --> 00:55:52,800 one guy that was willing to fight him in a unification fight. And even 890 00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,679 Cannello, who was gone on to become one of the all time greats, 891 00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,239 you know, even took him, you know, and they made to fight 892 00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:04,000 when it was still not spoiled, not not beyond its sell by date. 893 00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,719 But they waited him out a little bit, Let's be honest about it. 894 00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,119 It wasn't like ridiculous, but they waited like about a year or so to 895 00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:13,880 get Canelo in the ring with TRIPLEG. When they thought it was when he 896 00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:15,519 was maybe a little bit you know, aged out to a certain degree. 897 00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:20,440 So TRIPLEG did great things. He was in the mid when he fought Procid 898 00:56:20,519 --> 00:56:23,920 this he was in the middle of this twenty three consecutive knockout streak. He 899 00:56:24,039 --> 00:56:29,000 made more defenses in the middleweight division than anybody in the history of boxing overall, 900 00:56:29,679 --> 00:56:32,239 including twenty consecutive, which tied Bernard Hopkins for the all time record. 901 00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:36,679 People want to say, well, that includes his title defenses as a WBA 902 00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,039 regular champion. Well, you're damn right, I include that because the real 903 00:56:39,199 --> 00:56:45,760 the super champion was Felix Sturm, who was the most grotesque ducker of all 904 00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:50,119 time. Of Tripleg, they were with the same promotion company and Sturm and 905 00:56:50,519 --> 00:56:52,840 and Universe at the time. They did not want to put him anywhere near 906 00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:57,880 him because TRIPLEG was from Kazakhstan and Felix Sturm was selling out arenas as a 907 00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,960 German national, you know who represented Germany and the Olympics and lived there, 908 00:57:02,039 --> 00:57:05,880 and you know, for I don't think if he was born there, But 909 00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,719 the point was he was adopted and beloved by the German fans. Triple G 910 00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,679 mail fought in Germany, but he never had that level of respect from the 911 00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,679 German fans. There was never a million and a million years was universe. 912 00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:21,280 I'm gonna put Triple G in with their cash cow Felix Sturm and Felix Stterm 913 00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,159 wanted no part of that either, So your damn right I include those because 914 00:57:23,159 --> 00:57:29,280 he was mandatory and the WBA never ordered. The fucking fight about that rant 915 00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,800 over ran over good nostalgia on Triple G. One more item. As I've 916 00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:40,519 been teasing this, the Brockton Blockbuster, the Rock Rocky Marciano unfortunately died fifty 917 00:57:40,639 --> 00:57:45,719 four years ago Thursday as we taped the podcasts. Interject just so I remember, 918 00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:47,039 Yeah, I just looked it up while we're talking. Felix Sturm is 919 00:57:47,079 --> 00:57:51,920 a German national, So that means even if they were never wanted no part 920 00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,599 of TRIPLEG. Good enough. So the Brockton Blockbuster back to the Rock, 921 00:57:54,719 --> 00:58:00,800 Rocky Marciano died fifty four years ago Thursday, as we were least the podcast, 922 00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:05,599 in a plane crash on the day before what would have been his forty 923 00:58:05,679 --> 00:58:10,320 sixth birthday. He was actually unknowingly headed to an event in Des Moines, 924 00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:15,239 Iowa, where they were also going to have a surprise birthday party for him, 925 00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:19,440 but he never made it there. Plane crash killed him the night before 926 00:58:20,039 --> 00:58:25,280 his birthday. And so now here we are fifty four years later, and 927 00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:30,480 September first Friday would have been Rocky Marciano's one hundredth birthday had he lived that 928 00:58:30,639 --> 00:58:35,719 long, all right, So Raphael on the nostalgia, where does Marciano fit 929 00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,760 in in the pantheon of heavyweight champions? Because for almost anybody listening to us, 930 00:58:40,159 --> 00:58:44,639 this includes you and me, we didn't see the guy fight live. 931 00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,079 If you were not alive in the nineteen fifties, you didn't see the guy 932 00:58:47,199 --> 00:58:51,320 fight live. So I realized is a long long time ago. But where 933 00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,159 does Rocky Marciano fit in? Real quick? And then he's one of the 934 00:58:53,199 --> 00:58:55,280 great heavyweights of all time? I mean, there's no question about that. 935 00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:59,320 And he was an undersized heavyweight relative today. If you take a look at 936 00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:00,840 the weights he fought. Most of those fights he fought in the one eighties, 937 00:59:01,159 --> 00:59:06,599 he'd be like the bridgerweight champion today or the cruiserweight champion. Perhaps maybe 938 00:59:06,599 --> 00:59:09,760 he would maybe if he was in today's era because of uh, you know, 939 00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:15,000 the technology or or or or nutrition. You know, maybe it would 940 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,280 have bulked up and been uh, you know, over two hundred pounds. 941 00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,880 But the point was, back then, it was not unusual for the heavyweight 942 00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:22,679 champion'd be well less than two hundred pounds, which he was. Uh, 943 00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,440 you know, he didn't. I don't think he ever had to fight in 944 00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:29,599 his entire career that was above uh you know, in the mostly maybe he 945 00:59:29,639 --> 00:59:30,360 had one or two that were in the one nineties, but they're all like 946 00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,840 in the one eighties and a couple of fights if you go back in the 947 00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,039 early days of his career, even fought a few fights, you know, 948 00:59:36,159 --> 00:59:39,400 in the in the high one seventies. But you know, but Rocky Marskin, 949 00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,519 it was an all time great everyway. You know, people review that 950 00:59:42,599 --> 00:59:45,079 record forty nine and oero. You know what I tell people, it's not 951 00:59:45,199 --> 00:59:47,960 a record the way, you know, whoever has the most uh you know, 952 00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:52,440 Pete Rose has the most hits in baseball. That's the record, forty 953 00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:53,960 nine. I know, it has been surpassed on a number of occasions. 954 00:59:54,719 --> 00:59:59,000 You know, Julio Cesar Chabbins example, you know, started his career like 955 00:59:59,159 --> 01:00:01,000 you know, with eighty plus wins. There's been longer streaks. I mean, 956 01:00:01,039 --> 01:00:04,719 Sugary Robinson, you know, went on a streak where he won, 957 01:00:05,079 --> 01:00:07,400 you know, I don't like over one hundred fights in a row or something 958 01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,519 like that. It just because he retired or and then you know, then 959 01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:14,480 i'll you know, sadly died. He was forty nine, No, when 960 01:00:14,519 --> 01:00:19,760 he when he retired and never came back, partly because he had passed that. 961 01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,840 People revere that record and it's not been approached or surpassed anyway. I 962 01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,840 mean Larry Holmes got right on the cost of it back years ago. Yeah, 963 01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:34,639 but on the doorstep. So Marciano. Marciano last fought in nineteen fifty 964 01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,320 five. He beat Archie Moore. He was thirty two years old, and 965 01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,679 then there was talk that he might come back. He had been helping Ingomar 966 01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:45,480 Johansson we go way back, fighting a rematch with Floyd Patterson. There was 967 01:00:45,559 --> 01:00:50,280 talked that Marciano might fight in the late nineteen fifties, but never did, 968 01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,639 retired at thirty two, walked away on top, could never be lured back. 969 01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:58,440 So that's just do you have him. Does he belong in the top 970 01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:01,039 five, because one would say he does not belong in the top five, 971 01:01:01,239 --> 01:01:07,039 would I would agree, because the list of heavyweight title fights or Jersey Joe 972 01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:13,360 Walcott twice, someone named Roland Lostarza Ezer, Charles twice, Don Cockroll, 973 01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:19,400 and Archie Moore, that's the heavyweight title fights. So Jersey Joe Walcott is 974 01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,000 a legend in the Hall of Famer. Charles was the heavyweight champion, but 975 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,400 a lot of people tell you he's the greatest light heavyweight of all time. 976 01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:29,360 He was an all time great fighter. Absolutely. Archie Moore, you might 977 01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,360 people, some people might rank him as high as three or four or five 978 01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:35,559 on the all time pound for poundless. I mean, Archie Moore was a 979 01:01:35,679 --> 01:01:37,639 legendary fighter. And also I mean, granted he was much older when they 980 01:01:37,719 --> 01:01:42,920 fought. You know, he has the legendary knockout of the aging Joe Lewis. 981 01:01:43,039 --> 01:01:45,480 So if you can look at a guy's record and say he'd beat Joe 982 01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:51,119 Lewis, he beat Joe Walcott twice. He beat Ezra Charles twice, including 983 01:01:51,159 --> 01:01:54,320 by a knockout in the second fight, and he stopped Archie Moore. I 984 01:01:54,400 --> 01:02:00,800 mean, those are kings of all time in boxing his I mean, so 985 01:02:00,119 --> 01:02:04,400 you know, he gets credit for those victories, but it's hard to put 986 01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,480 him in the top five because you have to put him ahead of Muhammad Ali 987 01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:08,840 and Joe Lewis, who, yes, he beat Joe Lewis, but not 988 01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:13,360 the Joe Lewis when he Joe Lewis was at his top version. He'd beat 989 01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,679 Joe Lewis ten years after he was Joel Lewis. There's still so you're talking 990 01:02:15,679 --> 01:02:20,320 about again, not in order, but Ali, U, Joe Lewis. 991 01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:22,400 You can you can look at George Foreman, you can look at Joe Frazier, 992 01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:27,639 you can look at you know, I would say homes of Latin Mason. 993 01:02:29,239 --> 01:02:30,360 No, no, no, I don't put Tyson in my top ten. 994 01:02:30,639 --> 01:02:34,039 I definitely say that. You always say that, and I'm not going 995 01:02:34,119 --> 01:02:36,320 to go for another ten minutes on this, but I think Tyson has to 996 01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:37,599 be in a top ten. We'll debate that at a later time, but 997 01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,440 we can talk about that. We'll have to debate that at another time. 998 01:02:42,039 --> 01:02:44,800 But back to Marciano just for one more thing. A lot of people you'll 999 01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,280 get people on this trivia question. He fought Joe Lewis earlier in his career. 1000 01:02:47,519 --> 01:02:51,199 Lewis at the end of his career in nineteen fifty one, and that 1001 01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:52,920 was not a title fight. It was a non title fight. It was 1002 01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:57,440 a pay day. He later fought Walcott and I'm gonna make my man David 1003 01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,159 Payne, who I love the boxing rider over in the UK, because David 1004 01:03:00,239 --> 01:03:05,760 always talks to me via video with a painting that his wife got a got 1005 01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:09,320 for him of that right hand. Marciano against Walcott in the first fight, 1006 01:03:09,719 --> 01:03:15,480 the one thunderous right hand knockout punch in like the thirteenth round where he knocked 1007 01:03:15,559 --> 01:03:22,760 him out Rayphael sitting up. Walcott went down and was knocked out sitting up 1008 01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:27,000 from the thunderous right hand on one knee and then eventually after like three seconds, 1009 01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:31,320 slumped over face first, knocked out. That was That is as iconic 1010 01:03:31,559 --> 01:03:37,599 a heavyweight one punch knockout as there ever has been. Even he'sig of a 1011 01:03:37,719 --> 01:03:40,360 legend, you know, as there could be. He was a very very 1012 01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:44,920 very popular in the nineteen fifties, and you know, he was as well 1013 01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:46,920 known as Mickey Mantle. I mean, you know, back in those days. 1014 01:03:47,519 --> 01:03:50,639 But I still I can't put him in the top five because now you 1015 01:03:50,679 --> 01:03:52,519 gotta put him ahead of guys like Jack Johnson. You know, you gotta 1016 01:03:52,519 --> 01:03:58,159 put him at Jim See Jack Dempsey belonged there in the top five. Can't 1017 01:03:58,199 --> 01:03:59,920 put everybody in the top five. I get it. Can't put it. 1018 01:04:00,039 --> 01:04:01,760 I mean, Luis, I mean, I like thinking about the top ten, 1019 01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,320 not so much the top five. Top ten's hard enough. I mean, 1020 01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:08,039 especially with all the guys we've been naming, But I just would not 1021 01:04:08,239 --> 01:04:11,199 have him. I'd probably haven't in the top ten. I haven't. I've 1022 01:04:11,199 --> 01:04:13,559 got to take a look. I've done my top ten heavyweights at one point 1023 01:04:13,639 --> 01:04:15,559 or another. To redo your list and see what's there you're doing it. 1024 01:04:15,559 --> 01:04:17,679 I gotta just check what the heck I did, because he fought me off 1025 01:04:17,679 --> 01:04:21,239 guard. On this side, I'm thinking of no problem. So again Marciano 1026 01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:26,599 what would have been his one hundredth birthday, and again when he died, 1027 01:04:26,679 --> 01:04:29,760 and I've gone back and read about this, I mean, it was the 1028 01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:35,760 heavyweight champion of the world mattered big time in mainstream society in the US, 1029 01:04:36,239 --> 01:04:40,920 not just in sports. And when he died unexpectedly in that plane crash, 1030 01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:46,119 it was a humongous front page deal New York Times, Chicago Tribune, Nightly 1031 01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:51,119 News in its infancy in the in the nineteen sixties. This was a massive 1032 01:04:51,199 --> 01:04:55,960 deal that he had died unexpectedly in a plane crash the day before his birthday 1033 01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:01,480 back now fifty four years ago, and what sixty nine amazing. What I 1034 01:05:01,559 --> 01:05:04,519 did earlier on Thursday, as I often do, is because of the anniversary 1035 01:05:04,599 --> 01:05:11,400 of his passing, I busted out my Rocky Marciano rookie card from the nineteen 1036 01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:15,800 fifty one Iconic nineteen fifty one Tops ring side set, posted a photo as 1037 01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:21,840 well as a really beautiful nineteen sixty seven Panini sticker from their their multi sport 1038 01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:26,480 set. I posted on Twitter because I love that shit. I know you 1039 01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:29,320 love the nostalgia. And by the way, one more birthday while we're talking, 1040 01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,280 birthday, September second, Saturday is Lennox Lewis's birthday. Happy birthday, 1041 01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:36,239 Lenox Lewis, fifty eight years of age. Man, Raphael, We're vinted 1042 01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:43,239 still, that's amazing. Lex Lenx is a listen, Lennox is a is 1043 01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:47,639 a. He came off as very aloof and standoffish to a lot of fans 1044 01:05:47,719 --> 01:05:53,599 and media during his fighting days, but one and he was the heavyweight champion 1045 01:05:53,639 --> 01:05:56,760 when I first started to cover boxing. My first fight that I covered as 1046 01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:00,199 the boxing writer for USA Today April twenty nine, two thousand, was his 1047 01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,000 title defense against Michael Grant. I got to know Lennox, you know, 1048 01:06:02,079 --> 01:06:06,119 over the years prior to his retirement, and while I never had any any 1049 01:06:06,159 --> 01:06:10,000 piece of them whatsoever, NET ever had a problem with him. He you 1050 01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:13,920 know, he definitely was standoff as too a degree and aloof at times. 1051 01:06:14,519 --> 01:06:15,880 I got to know him much better on a personal level when he was my 1052 01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:20,800 broadcast partner when we both did the commentary when the network Epics did boxing broadcast 1053 01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:24,400 for you know, two too and a half years. So I got to 1054 01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:27,239 know him a lot better, and we used to bust his balls about that 1055 01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:30,119 about you know, why he was, you know, his his how much 1056 01:06:30,159 --> 01:06:32,360 more popular it would have been if he was a little bit more friendly towards 1057 01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:35,519 the press and the fans and Lennox, you know, he kind of understood 1058 01:06:35,519 --> 01:06:38,599 it, but he made the point to me one time, He's like, 1059 01:06:38,679 --> 01:06:42,559 you know, when I was champion, that was the sort of the barrier 1060 01:06:42,599 --> 01:06:46,199 I had to put up to maintain my focus and my and and and by 1061 01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:50,400 tunnel vision on my objectives as a professional boxer. So he gets it. 1062 01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:55,760 And Lennox is a great guy and so much so that one of the it's 1063 01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:59,119 the only one right now, right, but one of the Rayphiel cats named 1064 01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:05,360 Lennox current, my current living cat, my wonderful Persian is named Lennox after 1065 01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:11,039 the great Lennox goes Happy Birthday, Lennox Lewis. Okay, the reasons tell 1066 01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:15,239 you why. So I always named my fights after my cats, after fighters 1067 01:07:15,559 --> 01:07:18,719 and fighter sway admire and respect and the methano. But Lennox back in the 1068 01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,480 day when he was champ, not like today where he carries ball, you 1069 01:07:21,519 --> 01:07:24,840 know, or he's shaved his head or we used to have a close crop. 1070 01:07:25,039 --> 01:07:27,400 When he was champ, he had the dreadlocks. So our cat is 1071 01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,960 a Persian with the crazy long hair. So that's why he got the name 1072 01:07:30,039 --> 01:07:33,360 Lenox. There go the things you find out as we pull the veil back 1073 01:07:33,559 --> 01:07:36,920 on the big fight, we can preview again, Liam Smith, Chris Eubank, 1074 01:07:38,039 --> 01:07:42,840 junior rematch Manchester, England. We will be dissecting that and handicapping it 1075 01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,960 on the bet US Boxing Show one Eastern Time Friday. Look forward to seeing 1076 01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,960 everybody there on the bet US platforms, whether it's live or later on. 1077 01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:54,519 And no matter what happens, Dan raypheel, we are back to recap these 1078 01:07:54,599 --> 01:07:59,840 fights from England this weekend, including Adam Zine in the co feature. Let's 1079 01:08:00,119 --> 01:08:03,039 reconvene on Labor Day weekend. Here the US off the weekend with a recap. 1080 01:08:03,199 --> 01:08:04,920 Other than that, we're good. I have a great weekend. My 1081 01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:09,519 friend you two I'll see on the US show one pm Easter Time on Fronday. 1082 01:08:09,639 --> 01:08:12,559 There we go, there's Dan Rayfield. I'm merely TJ Reeves. Followers 1083 01:08:12,559 --> 01:08:15,840 subscribe Apple Podcasts, Google podcast, Spotify, Spreaker, wherever you get podcast. 1084 01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,479 We go into the weekend previewing. We come off the weekend with a 1085 01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:23,319 recap. It's all part of the Big Fight weekend podcast feed for Dan Rayfield. 1086 01:08:23,319 --> 01:08:24,680 I'm TJ Reeves. Enjoy the fights.