1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,599 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best in paranormal talk radio 2 00:00:06,799 --> 00:00:14,199 in the UK and around the world. Hello world, You're listening to Eleanor 3 00:00:14,279 --> 00:00:20,160 Wagner's Strange and Scary world here on the Paranormal UK Radio Network, where we'll 4 00:00:20,199 --> 00:00:26,039 always creep in it Real. I'm your host, Eleanor Wagner. Welcome all 5 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:31,039 to my paranormal Closet, where the stories and magic take place. I've long 6 00:00:31,079 --> 00:00:35,840 been intrigued by near death experiences and I've written about them in my hauntings book, 7 00:00:36,039 --> 00:00:41,479 Warren County Hauntings in a chapter. Today's show is on near death experiences, 8 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,159 and for those of you who are unfamiliar with the terminology, the near 9 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:50,000 death experience is described as an unusual experience that takes place on the brink of 10 00:00:50,039 --> 00:00:56,159 death and is recounted by the individual who experiences it after recovery, typically an 11 00:00:56,159 --> 00:01:00,079 out of body experience accompanied with the vision of a tunnel of life. So 12 00:01:00,119 --> 00:01:07,760 today's guest, Jack W. Gregory, the Accidental Journalist, is a UK 13 00:01:07,879 --> 00:01:12,159 based author, consultant and actor. During his whole life, he battled with 14 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:18,760 being sexually trafficked in the UK special school system, along with battling rejection, 15 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,879 fear, mental illness, addiction, and criminality. At one point, he 16 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:29,439 lost everything and found himself homeless and addicted to crack cotaine crack cocaine. He 17 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,959 got clean and sober in twenty fourteen and began to change his life until he 18 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:38,159 found himself on a deathbed in twenty fifteen, where he experienced a near death 19 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,879 experience that changed his life and his whole perspective. He found a new purpose 20 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:49,439 in sobriety and became a Hollywood consultant, actor, poet, journalist, author 21 00:01:49,519 --> 00:01:53,560 of three books, and a podcaster. He took hold of the power of 22 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,680 his own story and used it as a tool to educate others. He now 23 00:01:57,799 --> 00:02:01,760 helps educate doctors on how to deal with addicts, speaks regularly at churches, 24 00:02:01,879 --> 00:02:06,920 schools, and colleges about his story. So join me in welcoming him to 25 00:02:06,959 --> 00:02:13,599 the show. Hi, Hi, why don't you stop by telling us? 26 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:24,520 Well, what happened to you? Okay? So my whole life I have, 27 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:32,280 as you said, battled with addiction and a certain way of life, 28 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:45,479 which led to certain illnesses and my body started to fail. I met my 29 00:02:45,759 --> 00:02:52,319 now wife in twenty fourteen and we got together at the end of twenty fourteen 30 00:02:53,800 --> 00:03:00,080 and twenty fifteen is really when I started getting very ill. I couldn't breathe, 31 00:03:01,439 --> 00:03:07,439 there was no oxygen getting to my brain. I was really struggling to 32 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:15,240 speak. I was going I thought I was going mad because the hypoxia. 33 00:03:16,199 --> 00:03:23,919 Oxygen wasn't getting through to my brain because of hypoxia arm and I ended up 34 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:31,240 in hospital after a really bad weekend of just feeling really ill home. I 35 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:39,719 got to the hospital around about half past four in the afternoon, and by 36 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:51,840 half past seven I was dead. I had typed tu lung failure, tuberculosis 37 00:03:52,919 --> 00:03:59,280 because of the life that I'd lived and not taking care of myself. I 38 00:03:59,439 --> 00:04:05,159 had pneumonia, plurisy, and some environmental disease that they hadn't seen for about 39 00:04:05,199 --> 00:04:13,319 thirty years because of when I was on the streets and when I was homeless 40 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:21,920 and addicted to crack cocaine. I'd gotten sober only June before the twenty seventh 41 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:29,120 of June, before I was a crackhouse at ten o'clock at night. At 42 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,000 twenty sixth June twenty fourteen, I was in a crack house and I was 43 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,839 sat down and I had a pipe in my hand, and I closed my 44 00:04:36,879 --> 00:04:43,040 eyes and I said, God, I can't deal with this anymore. Please 45 00:04:43,079 --> 00:04:49,199 take away this, this hunger, this thirst for drugs, or take away 46 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:54,399 my life, because I can't live like this anymore. I was six down, 47 00:04:54,480 --> 00:05:00,759 six ounces, I I was barely living. I'd lost pretty which everything. 48 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,120 And I fell asleep on crack cocaine, which is a bit of a 49 00:05:06,199 --> 00:05:15,079 miracle in itself. And I woke up just gone twelve on the twenty seventh 50 00:05:15,079 --> 00:05:19,000 of June twenty fourteen, and I haven't used the day since. I'd met 51 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:24,079 my wife a few months before. She was serving her food bank at a 52 00:05:24,079 --> 00:05:29,040 coffee morning and she'd served me coffee with a smile and we got talking. 53 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:38,439 Yeah, so I guess by the end of twenty fourteen, we've got together 54 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:43,079 and we were having a you know, I'd found sort of a faith and 55 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:50,040 I was part of a church called Hope. I resigned to the fact that 56 00:05:50,079 --> 00:05:57,360 God had taken away this, this, this hunger, this thirst, and 57 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,240 I was like, HALLI the yeah, but I don't know except Christ into 58 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:05,600 my life because if I do, I'll have to be good, and I 59 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:15,160 want the option to at least be a bit naughty on occasion, and yeah, 60 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,199 So end of February March I'd start to get really hear twenty fifteen, 61 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:27,000 and I'd end up in hospital, and I remember my sort of I was 62 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:41,959 going quite insane because the hypogy was blocking all the the oxygen. It just 63 00:06:42,079 --> 00:06:49,639 wasn't getting through. So I became convinced that the police were after me for 64 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:55,480 the life that I'd lived, and that they had CCTV cameras in the room 65 00:06:55,519 --> 00:07:00,360 I was and what's called a negative pressure room, which is a room that 66 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:08,319 it pulls out all the air and then pushes in all the good air is 67 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:16,160 for people that have things like tuberculosis. The only contacts that I had with 68 00:07:16,279 --> 00:07:25,800 people they were in contagency masks and things on their heads and stuff like that, 69 00:07:25,839 --> 00:07:30,199 and it was it was very scary that to wear gloves, and I 70 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,839 couldn't understand it. And this was way before the pandemic, before we you 71 00:07:33,879 --> 00:07:39,759 know, so it was like I didn't know what was happening. I became 72 00:07:39,839 --> 00:07:45,319 convinced that my family had I had caused the end of the world by this 73 00:07:45,959 --> 00:07:50,959 super virulent strain of tuberculosis. My mind was broken from not only the hypoxia, 74 00:07:51,079 --> 00:07:56,439 but from the sort of the life that I'd led the guilt that I 75 00:07:56,639 --> 00:08:03,079 had from the past that I'd led, and I yeah, I became quite 76 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:11,199 abusive, and there were people from my church coming to pray with me. 77 00:08:11,279 --> 00:08:16,120 I remember my elder coming in, lead elder coming in. Batman by the 78 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:24,160 grammar name of Grantly Watkins is a great church planter, and he came to 79 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,120 pray for my soul because they were told that they were going to lose me 80 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:33,679 again and this time for good. I went to hell when I actually died 81 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:41,799 for four minutes, and it felt like months. I just remember screaming, 82 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:56,759 convinced that everybody around my bed were police rapped with fear, with guilt, 83 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:09,200 with shame, with I was just broken arm and with a last sort of 84 00:09:09,279 --> 00:09:18,679 I guess, a bit of rebellion. They were fighting to keep me down 85 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,759 on the bed, you know, they were trying to strap me to the 86 00:09:22,799 --> 00:09:31,240 bed and stuff. One of them that they gave me this thing called zos 87 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,519 in, which is basically it puts fire in your veins. It's an anti 88 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,440 infection drug. But I didn't take well to it, so it felt like 89 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:48,240 they'd burnt my chest with acid. I thought they were placed and so I 90 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:54,960 guess I died screaming blue murder at these people that wanted to talk to me. 91 00:09:56,039 --> 00:10:05,399 Before I died, I let my bladder go in one last bit of 92 00:10:05,519 --> 00:10:11,120 rebellion, I guess, and then it went black for a minute or two, 93 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:20,039 and then what felt like a minute or two, and the hospital was 94 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:26,440 calm, felt empty. I couldn't get out of my bed before, but 95 00:10:26,759 --> 00:10:33,799 I could now. I didn't, you know, I didn't have any straps 96 00:10:33,799 --> 00:10:37,799 on. So I got out of my bed and I was looking out of 97 00:10:37,879 --> 00:10:41,919 my door, the window in the door, and there was nobody there. 98 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,200 So I thought I'd make a run for it. And there was a sound 99 00:10:46,799 --> 00:10:52,320 and it sounded like an old air I saw air raid siren. So all 100 00:10:52,360 --> 00:11:00,679 I heard was and I'm trying to just work out. Don't know where I 101 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:05,159 am. It's not hot, it's not quite it's not anything, I guess, 102 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:16,480 if anything, there are embers in the air, arm just falling arm. 103 00:11:16,919 --> 00:11:26,440 I walked around the ward. The beds were empty, the nurse station 104 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:35,519 was abandoned. I walked out of the door and down towards the exit of 105 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:43,080 the of the hospital. I was on the third floor. For some reason, 106 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:48,360 I was convinced I was on a secret floor known to all about these 107 00:11:48,399 --> 00:11:52,240 people. But I'd managed to get out, and I'd managed to I was. 108 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,600 I still had a canula in my hand and a drip and I was 109 00:11:56,639 --> 00:12:03,039 pushing this drip, and I was in my NHS gown, so I had 110 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:09,159 a bear behind hanging out and you know, but I managed to get to 111 00:12:09,519 --> 00:12:15,000 one of the doors and I got out of the door and it was just 112 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:20,759 dark, as if the clouds had been scorched. This sound was still going 113 00:12:20,799 --> 00:12:28,840 in the background, getting louder and louder. The bodies were just piled in 114 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:39,279 meters high, dotted around the car park, some of them on fire. 115 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:50,639 I could I could smell them. I could smell the rotten flesh. I 116 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:58,360 could still hear this siren intermittently. It would stop and then it would start 117 00:12:58,399 --> 00:13:09,639 again. HM. And to me, that was another million people dead arm 118 00:13:09,759 --> 00:13:16,879 And I just went everywhere that I could. I went back in and I 119 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:24,480 searched every floor for any survivors. They weren't there. There was nobody there 120 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:37,399 apart from me. I guess it was my own personal hell home, and 121 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:45,039 I just I didn't know what to do. So I just went back to 122 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:50,879 the ward, back to my room, slowly, back to my bed, 123 00:13:52,039 --> 00:13:56,399 just walking through the canteen. All the plates were on the floor, and 124 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:03,759 it was just it was like something out of a you know, like The 125 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:11,000 Stand or something like that, a horror movie. Yeah, yeah, And 126 00:14:11,919 --> 00:14:18,960 just how long did this go on for? So it felt like months. 127 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:26,519 I went through every floor, every room, every ward, every canteen. 128 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:31,919 It's a big hospital. It's a very big hospital, went around car park. 129 00:14:31,279 --> 00:14:35,879 It's a teaching hospital, so that puts in perspective how big it is, 130 00:14:35,799 --> 00:14:43,360 you know, and we're a city on a hill, and you know, 131 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:52,799 it took some time, and I didn't feel like I needed teat or 132 00:14:52,919 --> 00:14:58,840 want to go to the toilet or anything like that. I just was wandering 133 00:14:58,879 --> 00:15:09,080 a around this aimlessly, around this desolate landscape, this personal apocalypse, this 134 00:15:09,399 --> 00:15:22,559 wasteland. Mm hmm. And I got back to my room when I just 135 00:15:22,759 --> 00:15:33,039 sat there on the bed, and I guess I wasn't tired. There was 136 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:39,120 there was a haze in the air where the ashes were dropping, but you 137 00:15:39,159 --> 00:15:41,120 know, you wouldn't know it was anything else if it wasn't for that. 138 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:50,480 And then it went black again and I felt like I had fallen asleep. 139 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:56,039 And I then came to in my hospital bed and they brought me around, 140 00:15:58,279 --> 00:16:10,080 and I brought I absolutely broke and I this hell carried on into real life. 141 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:18,519 Oh really, and I had this personal I call it personal apocalypse. 142 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:29,360 I was still convinced that God was going to end the world. I went 143 00:16:29,519 --> 00:16:34,559 mute for a while. I wouldn't eat, I wouldn't drink, I wouldn't 144 00:16:34,559 --> 00:16:40,519 see my daughter, I wouldn't see my ex. Five people would come in 145 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:47,480 from my church and they would talk, and I was convinced that they were 146 00:16:49,519 --> 00:16:56,080 I guess, clones, replacements. There was some sort of robot. I 147 00:16:56,120 --> 00:17:03,360 don't know, but I was convinced of this for so long a time, 148 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:15,960 and it was just so crushing. I felt so alone. I remember having 149 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,079 a this is what happened to you when you came out of the near death 150 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:25,400 experience corrected it rolled over into real How long did it take you before normalized? 151 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:34,920 Three weeks? Wow, of just absolute mentality. So your experience in 152 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:40,480 your near death experience was only experiencing hell. You did not experience heaven. 153 00:17:40,559 --> 00:17:42,640 Is that what you're telling me? Yeah? No, I didn't experience heaven. 154 00:17:44,279 --> 00:17:51,920 Wow, experienced hell. But the life that I'd led, the guilt 155 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:57,279 that i'd felt, you know, I wasn't a good man. I've been 156 00:17:57,279 --> 00:18:06,400 married once before I died. I cheated, I lied, I've lost every 157 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:18,920 job that I'd ever had. I was a person that liked women a lot. 158 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:30,400 I would womanize. I find it very interesting that you say to me 159 00:18:30,519 --> 00:18:37,559 that you let Jesus into your life, but you still wanted to be naughty. 160 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:41,400 And it was it was almost like he was saying to you, all 161 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,400 right, now I'm going to show you why you're what you're doing is wrong. 162 00:18:45,519 --> 00:18:49,200 And then you have this experience and then it's almost like an awaking, 163 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:56,599 an aha moment. Yeah. I mean, you know, I accepted God. 164 00:18:56,599 --> 00:19:00,519 I knew Jesus existed, but I, as I said, and upset 165 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,319 him into my life and take him into my heart because I still want the 166 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:11,759 option to be a bit naughty, right, but you know, just just 167 00:19:11,799 --> 00:19:17,640 to come from that. You know, I don't believe now that God sends 168 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:25,039 us to Hell. I'll get to that in a minute. But yeah, 169 00:19:25,079 --> 00:19:32,960 it was dark. I remember having this skype call with my daughter and she 170 00:19:33,079 --> 00:19:37,839 must have been six at the time, and I was convinced that she was 171 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,920 dead and that her mom was using a mom and her mum's boyfriend were using 172 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:48,960 her as a puppet and just to just to freak me out, just to 173 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:59,680 sort of hurt me. Throughout all this, there was a presence at the 174 00:19:59,759 --> 00:20:04,240 end of my bed, and it didn't feel like the other presence is, 175 00:20:04,279 --> 00:20:15,160 you know, it didn't feel insidious. It felt different. There was this 176 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:23,519 one doctor, a young female Asian doctor now our National Health Service. I 177 00:20:23,599 --> 00:20:30,279 know that some places in America that your doctors are allowed to pray with patients 178 00:20:30,759 --> 00:20:34,480 are allowed to, you know, talk about their faith. You're not here 179 00:20:34,839 --> 00:20:41,640 at all. You can lose your job and you can go to prison for 180 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:51,200 it because it's an abusive power here. But I remember she had a cross, 181 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,720 and you're allowed to wear a cross, but you're not allowed people to 182 00:20:53,759 --> 00:21:00,440 see it, but you should let me see it. On occasion, she 183 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,519 would come in and she would let me say. She wouldn't really say anything, 184 00:21:04,079 --> 00:21:10,319 she'd just be pottering around there the room, and then you know, 185 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:15,640 when somebody came in, she'd put it away. But then there was this 186 00:21:15,799 --> 00:21:19,359 thing at the end of my bed, and I, like I said, 187 00:21:19,559 --> 00:21:30,839 I guess after about three weeks of this hell in life that I brought back, 188 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:38,680 I'd still had this rash from here to my mid riff how it felt 189 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:48,640 like a burn arm. And but I'd been mute. I wouldn't talk to 190 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,039 anybody. And there was this presence at the end of my bed, and 191 00:21:52,079 --> 00:21:56,200 I said, who are you? What do you want? And I just 192 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:03,079 heard the ordered but voice saying, you know who I am, you know 193 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:11,519 what I want? I said, well, what what do I do? 194 00:22:11,519 --> 00:22:15,480 You know what to do? You know what you've got to do. So 195 00:22:15,519 --> 00:22:22,680 I said, all right, Jesus, I upsept you into my life. 196 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:27,480 And the way that I've been seeing, I guess you can put it akin 197 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:33,279 to I could really all sort of see arteat television if you remember them, 198 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:40,160 or watching you can see I've got VHS, watching a VHS. It was 199 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:45,440 kind of grainy, But as soon as I accepted Christ into my life, 200 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:56,519 it went from grainy to two k I could see normally. I sat up 201 00:22:56,519 --> 00:23:02,160 in my bed, which should have been impossible because I was that emaciated. 202 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:08,079 I was just from the six stone seventy pounds, I guess, which is 203 00:23:08,079 --> 00:23:14,799 not a lot. And I was sat up in my bed. There was 204 00:23:14,839 --> 00:23:18,799 nobody in my room. I sat up in my bed and I remember this 205 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,079 nurse coming names Jackie. It's a good friend. Of mine. Now. 206 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:29,799 She came into my room and she went white. I said, hellop, 207 00:23:29,839 --> 00:23:36,039 can I have a wash please? And she went out and there was a 208 00:23:36,079 --> 00:23:48,480 fumbling outside and kerfuffle outside. The doctors came in and they and they checked 209 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:53,119 me over, and I'm saying, I am thirsty, I'm hungry. My 210 00:23:53,279 --> 00:23:59,519 mouth hurts because I've got ulcers because I was so emaciated and stuff. But 211 00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:04,720 you know, my teeth for falling out, Why is that bad? Mm 212 00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:11,880 hm? You know, and I still have potential problems because of it. 213 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,359 But you know, they said, okay, you can have a wash. 214 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:25,039 And this nurse brought in a bowl with a sponge and I took my top 215 00:24:25,079 --> 00:24:30,200 off and this rash was from at and I started to wash. There's no 216 00:24:30,279 --> 00:24:34,400 word of a lie. I have people that loved that were there that the 217 00:24:34,519 --> 00:24:41,759 nurse the like say she's a good friend of mine. I saw this rash 218 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:51,599 peel away and disappear. Mm hmmm. I forgot to say through all this, 219 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,240 you know, when I came out, I thought that all of my 220 00:24:56,319 --> 00:25:02,359 family had been brought in, and friends and anybody that from my past life 221 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,599 were being brought into another part of the hospital. But I could hear them 222 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,400 holding what's called the kangaroo courts outside about what to do with me, because 223 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:22,640 I'd felt so judged. Put that judgment had gone, I didn't feel that 224 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:27,160 anymore. I didn't hear that anymore. I heard people walking around the hospital. 225 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:36,519 I heard the clitter clatter of the tea trolley, you know, and 226 00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:37,839 I even asked for a cup of tea. And I don't drink tea, 227 00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:48,119 drink coffee. And it was nothing short of miraculous. When I do have 228 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:56,880 people that will attest to that, I started to get better. People started 229 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:04,720 to coming to visit me ARM. I'd accepted Christ into my life and it 230 00:26:04,839 --> 00:26:08,039 was nice, but I really didn't know the journey that I would go on 231 00:26:08,319 --> 00:26:18,480 after that. ARM. There were people from the church that were I've got 232 00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:25,599 a thing for spam. I love spam. ARM. They were bringing me 233 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:37,039 into into spam and sweets and pop soda, you know, Luca's aid ARM. 234 00:26:37,079 --> 00:26:44,359 And there's nothing more glorious than smelling the nurses cooking your spam because they're 235 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:49,359 so happy that you want to eat right. I'd had a job before I 236 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:56,440 ended up in hospital. Unfortunately, the company went under while I was in 237 00:26:56,519 --> 00:27:07,319 hospital, but I did get some money for my redundancy. So they said 238 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:15,920 to me, if you get to eight stone, you can leave, So 239 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:21,160 I would. I'd have sweets and you know, all day every day and 240 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:30,799 Snickers bars and Mars bars and things like that. And just on a morning 241 00:27:30,839 --> 00:27:34,400 I was, yeah, I would have the breakfast that they brought me, 242 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,319 and then an hour later I was going down to the canteen to have a 243 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:42,200 full English breakfast right up, and then same with dinner. And then I 244 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:48,759 was having a a good dinner down there, and I found a local pizza 245 00:27:48,839 --> 00:27:52,119 place that we're doing two for one fourteen inch pizzas and for nine pounds, 246 00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:57,759 so I I was getting one from me and one for the nurses to share 247 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:07,400 every night. And within two weeks I went from just on the sixth stone 248 00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:15,039 to eight stone three and they allowed me to go home. The day before 249 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:25,160 my stepson's birthday, arm and I just began to heal. But that's not 250 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:30,440 where the supernatural ends, really, I guess, because I believe in a 251 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:37,720 God that is so supernaturally natural and naturally supernatural. Arm I was going to 252 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:42,920 the church, the same church we were meeting in a school high school hall 253 00:28:44,799 --> 00:28:52,720 on a Sunday, and I made the commitment to get baptized arm and I 254 00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:57,640 went on the baptism course and it came to my baptism day and my wife 255 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:06,240 came and mine now wife came with me with the kids, and we walked 256 00:29:06,279 --> 00:29:11,559 in and my wife tapped me on the shoulder and she said, isn't that 257 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:22,200 your specialist from the hospital over there talking to someone? So I went over 258 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:27,039 and he said, it's so good to see you. You were really poorly. 259 00:29:27,319 --> 00:29:30,240 I don't know if you remember me. My name is doctor twenty And 260 00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:33,880 I said, yeah, I do. I remember you saved my life. 261 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,960 Thank you. I said, you know why are you here? Well, 262 00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:42,200 but one of them I know why I'm here to get baptized. He said, 263 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:48,279 well, my son is getting baptized today. So I had the pleasure 264 00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:57,720 of getting baptized alongside the son of the man that saved my life. Wow, 265 00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:07,319 which was mental to me, It was absolutely mental. I then started 266 00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:11,559 an ALPHA course, which started a career in Alpha. I don't know if 267 00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:17,319 you know what Alpha is, but Alpha is it's just course run by churches 268 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,200 and you go and you learn about Jesus. You go and have a meal, 269 00:30:21,799 --> 00:30:26,519 share a meal, and then you watch a video and then you sit 270 00:30:26,599 --> 00:30:30,640 and discuss this video and talk about God and Jesus. You don't have to 271 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,359 be a Christian to go on it, which is great, and you just 272 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,920 learn more about the Bible. And so I did that. I did twenty 273 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:47,759 one alpha's all in all, seventeen nine helped lead. I did a discipleship 274 00:30:47,799 --> 00:30:51,400 course called Freedom in Christ. And now I'm involved in this thing called the 275 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:59,000 School's Supernatural Life, which came from an idea by our lead elder. But 276 00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:04,960 he was He and his wife went to a church and read in California called 277 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:11,279 Bethel, which is a church to believe in prophecy, and they believe in 278 00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:22,119 spiritual gifts and the Holy Spirit and you know, a God led life. 279 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,559 And they came back and they designed this course. And on the second year 280 00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:33,880 I went and joined this course. I now help lead this course nine years 281 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:38,559 later, eight nine years later, did you tell me how you feel about 282 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:48,880 death? Now? I'm not scared because I know Hell isn't for me. 283 00:31:49,359 --> 00:31:55,519 Now. I don't believe that God sends you there, who sends ourself there. 284 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,440 I didn't have Christ in my life, and I didn't repent of my 285 00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:07,319 sins and the things that I did, and so I was in my own 286 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:16,000 sort of purgatory. I guess. I know I missed my children and my 287 00:32:16,079 --> 00:32:24,680 wife, and my family and my friends and my wider family. But I 288 00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:32,960 know I'll be reunited. I don't want to die. I know it's going 289 00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:38,039 to come soon, but death is not the end, you know, and 290 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:45,400 soon meaning any time and whenever. But you know, I do have some 291 00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:58,319 illnesses still, but I have a good life, a great family. I've 292 00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:10,319 over the past nine years, I have really pushed myself into stepping out. 293 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,960 My life is amazing at times. You know, it's hard at other times, 294 00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:21,839 but you know, like you said, I've I've had the opportunity to 295 00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:28,440 work on Troo, my Scarsey Fund of films. I've written books. I 296 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,359 wrote my first book, of Personal Apocalypse, which was about this and about 297 00:33:32,359 --> 00:33:38,039 some of my life before. I get to do this sometimes and share my 298 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:45,000 voice. I do podcasts where other people come on my podcast and I amplified 299 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:52,079 their help amplify their voice because God gave me a mission to be a voice 300 00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:57,559 for the voiceless. Yeah, I see you have. You have a huge 301 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,440 array of topics that you're willing to openly discuss with people, like the first 302 00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:07,920 the human trafficking and sexual slavery and exportation, because you personally experienced that yourself. 303 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:13,440 To be willing to openly discuss that with others is amazing. And then 304 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,760 you talk about addiction, and you talk about homelessness, mental illness, mental 305 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:22,599 health, crime, recovery, losing people to suicide and murder, forgiveness. 306 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:30,960 It's just amazing because the voices you can reach, planting those seeds and discussion, 307 00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:36,480 helping people to heal. Now, this is your purpose. You've discovered 308 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,440 what your mission is and it all came from prophecy. You know. This 309 00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:46,360 is school, the School Supernatural Life. I did the court a few times, 310 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:53,039 and then I would help out doing the words for worship and then hang 311 00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:59,559 around and just listen and things like that. And we encourage people to listen 312 00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:07,400 to Garden to pray for his gifts, and we encourage praying for prophecy and 313 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:15,000 for words and pictures for other people. And four people from four different courses 314 00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:17,360 came to me and said, you are going to be a voice for the 315 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:22,480 voiceless. I wanted to be an actor. I didn't want to be anything 316 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,639 else. They said, you are going to be a voice for the voiceless. 317 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:30,360 And then in twenty sixteen, I spent six months working with Escape as 318 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:39,519 of human Trafficking. I wasn't ready to look at my past, but I 319 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:45,000 then realized because I didn't know I was trafficked, I didn't know that what 320 00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:52,079 happened to me was trafficking. Thought I was just plain abuse from several people. 321 00:35:52,159 --> 00:35:57,880 But I learned about what happened to me, and then I started to 322 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:08,320 hear, and now I want to help other people here that's wonderful. Perse 323 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:14,199 is it available on Amazon. It is a Personal Apocalypse is available on Amazon. 324 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,599 My second book, Between Street Lights and Red Lights is available on Amazon. 325 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:27,599 Everything is available on my website JW. Gregg dot WordPress dot com. 326 00:36:27,639 --> 00:36:30,599 Everything through there. The site is massive, it's a bit of a rabbit 327 00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:38,639 hole. And so I've been blessed to be able to do quite a few 328 00:36:38,639 --> 00:36:45,639 of these to speak about myself and lots of different subjects. And you know, 329 00:36:45,679 --> 00:36:50,400 we do a few collaborations as well as my three series of my own 330 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,559 Live and on drugs. But I just I absolutely love to educate. I 331 00:36:55,599 --> 00:37:07,000 believe that if we've lived a set life a certain way, if we've experienced 332 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:14,320 difficulties in any sort of way, then it's our it's a blessing to us. 333 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:21,400 But it's our responsibility to teach. If you can teach, teach you 334 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,639 you can't teach. You need to teach. You need to learn to teach. 335 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:34,719 Because there are people dying of addiction, of people have been trafficked to 336 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:43,000 fall into addiction, which was my route into addiction. You know, there 337 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:52,000 are people dying on the streets. Our homelessness is a high in this country. 338 00:37:53,239 --> 00:38:00,239 You know, I'm very very blessed and lucky. You know, you 339 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:05,599 here talking to you from my garden shed. It's with with the heating on. 340 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:13,400 It's minus three outside. Oh my goodness. You know, we're not 341 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:19,119 even in full winter yet. Oh wow. So you know, and I 342 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:25,280 live in the south of Norfolk, so we're in the pretty much in the 343 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:35,679 countryside, so you know, it's it's very cold. Our main city, 344 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:46,599 Norwich, is a emotional vampire. It's a very hard It's a beautiful city, 345 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:55,920 a very very beautiful city with lots of history, but the people are 346 00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:02,239 hard work, you know, and there are a lot of people in that 347 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:08,320 city that are really broken. There's a lot of homelessness, there's a lot 348 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:15,000 of addiction, there are a lot of I guess you would call them projects, 349 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:25,400 you know, housing schemes where they're in flats twenty thirty floors high in 350 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:37,039 the middle of the city, you know, high rise flats. The austerity 351 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:44,800 is in our country is on all the time. Bad. We have a 352 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:51,079 government that really don't care, that are only in it for themselves, that 353 00:39:51,159 --> 00:39:55,320 have done nothing but bleed our country dry. And the poor are really feeling 354 00:39:55,320 --> 00:40:04,280 it. We're in a recession, especially when COVID hit people lost jobs, 355 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:12,239 businesses. Turns out COVID was a blessing for me. You know, the 356 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,320 first lockdown I had a bit of a mental slump. The second one now 357 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:22,960 and I started doing this. This was the spur that I needed to start. 358 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,039 And it was all because of a conversation with the friends saying, why 359 00:40:25,039 --> 00:40:29,440 don't you get into podcasting. I said, I don't think I could do 360 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,239 that. I haven't got the voice for that. I don't think people would 361 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:36,559 understand me. And he said, you don't give yourself much credit. She's 362 00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:40,639 gonna interview me if you like. He is one of the top postures negotiators 363 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:50,159 in this country. So I interviewed him, and then I got a guy 364 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,719 by the name of Dominic Nagus, who was at one other time one of 365 00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:02,559 the hardest men in Britain. And then I got a few celebrities and it 366 00:41:02,639 --> 00:41:07,360 just went from there. Early and well, what's the name of your podcast. 367 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:13,760 It's called Live and Undrugged. It's on my website, it's on YouTube 368 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,000 under the Accidental Journalist. I'm trying to build my numbers on there. It's 369 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:22,519 not all about numbers for me. If I educate one person, I'm very 370 00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:25,880 happy. One person at a time, I'm very happy. But I do 371 00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:34,000 believe that I'm called to educate more. I get to speak do this in 372 00:41:34,039 --> 00:41:44,000 a few weeks just after Christmas. I get to teach a few government employees 373 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:52,000 who are running a trafficking scheme anti trafficking scheme. I get to speak to 374 00:41:52,039 --> 00:42:00,800 them and give them some training. I've trained new GPS to deal with addiction. 375 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:07,400 And this is from a man that was ten years ago, was broken 376 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:12,639 beyond anything. I'd lost all control als my family. I'd tried to keep 377 00:42:12,679 --> 00:42:21,760 my out ex wife's dooring, and I just wanted to die to now really 378 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:32,400 sort of trying to push my was not my but a shared combined wisdom. 379 00:42:32,559 --> 00:42:36,280 It's just not much of my wisdom. It's wisdom that I've learned from other 380 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:43,159 people. You know, I went to my first NA meeting in I guess 381 00:42:43,199 --> 00:42:50,760 I was fourteen years old. I went to my first AARNA meeting, trust 382 00:42:50,559 --> 00:42:57,239 their meeting. So I had thirty odd years of in and out of the 383 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,280 meetings and in and out of the program, and I could never get it. 384 00:43:02,119 --> 00:43:07,960 You know, I'd have various years of sobriety, going through it dry 385 00:43:08,159 --> 00:43:13,719 white, knuckling it sometimes and not really getting it. And it was only 386 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:20,960 when I found myself in hell and then had to navigate that and navigate my 387 00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:30,480 way back through life. Having come back from there, you know, I 388 00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:37,679 guess there's still a chance that I could go there. I'm saved, but 389 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:45,440 you know I have a faith. That's good. But you know, faith 390 00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:52,280 is a faith, it's not you're making a difference. You're making a difference. 391 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,639 So thank you for what you do. You try to keep it for 392 00:43:54,719 --> 00:44:01,519 good work. I mean, that's what it's all about. Yeah, it's 393 00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:09,880 all I've ever wanted to do since I started my new life, because we 394 00:44:10,039 --> 00:44:17,000 need to something that our world is very broken, Yes, it's very broken. 395 00:44:21,079 --> 00:44:24,960 And you know it's this this whole journey of me speaking to you or 396 00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:34,440 started with really me going on the Jeff Maher podcast, you know, And 397 00:44:34,559 --> 00:44:37,480 I guess some people struggle with my accent. I've had to work on the 398 00:44:37,519 --> 00:44:43,119 way that I speak because I'm from the North of England and we speak very 399 00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:47,880 very different arm and people don't always understand that when I speak in my natural 400 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:57,280 accents, I have to I'm learning to speak slower, and so, you 401 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:02,199 know, I do apologize if I'm coming across as it's absolutely and I appreciate 402 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,519 you opening up about your story because I know how difficult that can be. 403 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,800 I've spoken to so many people on the subject, and they've each told me 404 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:15,920 that they really don't talk openly about it. They talk to other near death 405 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:21,480 experiencers, but to really talk to somebody who's a stranger, they don't usually 406 00:45:21,519 --> 00:45:27,000 do that. So I appreciate that. Yeah, I enjoy it more than 407 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:34,159 anything. I'm a Northerner. I like to speak. I you know, 408 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:40,800 sometimes I have to get a bus and I will pray sometimes and I'll say, 409 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:46,199 you know, God, I've got got this hour bus journey. Give 410 00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:50,920 me someone to speak to mm hmm. You know, I've got a forty 411 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,000 five minute wait for this bus. I'll go get a coffee from the machine 412 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,519 off from one of the cafes in our town, and I'll wait for the 413 00:45:58,519 --> 00:46:01,679 bus and I'll say God send with someone an eight times I would tell you 414 00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:08,960 will, And that's great. I love that I have a business card with 415 00:46:09,039 --> 00:46:15,360 a QR code on the back that I give and then people can view it 416 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:22,960 their leisure and you know, I get to, you know, affect people 417 00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:29,000 sometimes, which makes me very happy. And we celebrate it together as a 418 00:46:29,079 --> 00:46:35,800 church as part of the school m HM. And we you know, the 419 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:37,559 school has run on a Tuesday night as well as all Down a Friday, 420 00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:42,679 but Tuesday night, which is the part of school that I'm involved with. 421 00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:50,000 And we share our victories through from the week before. You know, we 422 00:46:50,159 --> 00:46:58,559 share our failures because victory failures are always a road it's a victory. We 423 00:46:58,679 --> 00:47:07,920 celebrate the failures along with the victories because you know, we all fail because 424 00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:16,159 victory wouldn't be victory without the failures behind it all the time. So yeah, 425 00:47:16,199 --> 00:47:22,360 I mean, I guess that's where I am right now. Wow, 426 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,599 this has been an amazing discussion. Thank you so much for joining me today. 427 00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:30,199 I really do appreciate it. And we'll get those links up on the 428 00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:36,440 summary so people can check out your books and your podcasts. Thank you for 429 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,360 having me, oh wonderful, and to the listeners out there. 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