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Hey, this is Fred Green of
Golf Smarter with our seventh installment of spring

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Back into Golf season with the late
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twenty fourteen and podcasting still really hadn't
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lot of competition between distributors at the
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I'm pretty sure that was before I
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I was on vacation. Now I
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week without a new episode, even
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two weeks with Tony in one show
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topics into one long show, and
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hour now. Tony's book The Lost
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This is two weeks where the episode's
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long conversation, but luckily it's a
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as little as you want. Starting
right now, Ben Hogan's Secret Letter and

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The Loss Fundamental Short Game with Tony
Manzoni. This is golf Smarter. Welcome

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back to the Golf Smarter Podcast.
Tony, Hey, great to be back,

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Fred. It's great to tell have
you been well. I had a

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little bit of a mishap. It's
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broke three bones of my right foot
ankle by falling from a hill. I

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hit a wet spot and slid downhill
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didn't want to go forward and it
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a little setback. But other than
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golf team did well again, We
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row, which is kind of crazy. Each year I just shake my head.

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I don't know why it keeps happening, but it does. Do you

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recruit these kids? Are they find
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winning? Yeah, we get them
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a bunch of boys out of the
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some were really good players. And
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I always say to them, how
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from Belgium? But they go on
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website, you know our record really
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area that we'll end is such a
beautiful area for golf. We go over

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one hundred golf courses, great weather, it's spring when we compete. We

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have a wonderful drive range on the
facility. I'm a PGA member. I

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like to hope that part of them
company is my coaching, and the whole

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package is good for a young person
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a serious way. So it's good. Yeah, Gus details, Yeah,

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more details about the school where it
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name of the school is College of
the Desert. It's in Palm Desert,

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California. It's a population of about
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the college, built all kinds of
new buildings. Campus is fabulous. Of

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course, the weather in Palm Desert
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and especially in springtime. So it's
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Uh. You know, we have
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Fest and all kinds of activities for
young people. But it's just a great

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place to live. I'm very lucky
I left the Bay Area and you know,

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we we all know the sALS is
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It's not the greatest. Yeah,
I do miss it, believe me.

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But but for me and golf and
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is probably the best place I could
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you guys have just owned it.
And uh, I think it's more of

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a testimony to to your teaching.
But even I hope it's part of it.

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For sure. I have I do
have a formula that I use every

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year and it seems to be working
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the kids nowadays, you don't really
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the apple, the movement of the
swing. They're all pretty up to date,

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you know, they're all into rotation
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it's not a hard sell. It's
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fifteen years ago, where everybody was, you know, more of my hands

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and arm swinger opposed to body swinger, so that parts are really good well.

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And we've also had tremendous success.
Your book and the video actually the

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only place that really available on golf
Smarter. And it's amazing to me what

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a phenomenal response you've received from the
golf Smarter community. It is amazing because

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you know, I'm you know,
seriously, I'm a no name. I'm

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just a golf professional, although I
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when we did the book, I did

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it kind of for friends and family
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community would like it and accept it. And I must say that I'm pleasantly

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surprised. Thanks to your sight too. You have such a great group of

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people that are on your site all
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plus for me, and I enjoyed
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the country by it, which is
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world it's crazy. It's crazy.
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what you cover and what your method
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is a quick history about fifteen twenty
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my office and tell me, would
you like a copy of a letter that

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Ben Hogan wrote explaining how to hit
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film that was private film that he
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him home in swing, and you
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So I read. The first thing
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and the first thing I noticed was
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top of the backswing, he has
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his left foot. And when I
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I think he means the instep of
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traditional thinking was. And then I
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was really informative, and a lot
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that he was staying on his left
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he set up a little bit like
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when you really center your head to
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little bit more on the left side
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his right the right hip was aligned
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so that was his right side grace. And I just noticed that when

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he's slung her rotated his shoulders around
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more level than his earlier swings.
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the accident, and that's really when
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the left side. And the funny
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A lot of people say that,
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It certainly isn't stack and tilt.
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you teach sack untilt, and I
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stack and tilt. I just believe
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downswing. I believe they turn based
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the ball, because when they tilt. It really steepens the swing and the

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downswing. And it also the hands
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in kind of what we used to
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do that on a lot, you
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with lower back problems, as did
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I played in. So I believe
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to turn the level left and posting
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finish, your body is really more
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left side and you're not your body
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all this information, I started applying
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taught, elderly people who their first
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That seemed to be the number one
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I said, Well, what would
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I want to hit it farther.
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Holy mackerel uh. Because I had
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could get them onto the total left
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ball much easier than when they transferred
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left. And I readily saw that
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This wasn't a band aid, but
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And then going back into filming,
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the Nicholas's and all the greats.
They had long careers, their head

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was very steady. They had did
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sleet. So little by little I
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got a call from al Geiberger,
who is a resident here, and of

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course I'm a very famous golfer,
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And Ali said, you know,
when I read your article on the golf

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magazine Local magazine, I thought you
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but I started doing it with a
fellow that was reversing his weight shift all

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the time, and he said it
worked like a charm. I got him

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from falling back to the right side
and he is not finishing and hitting the

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ball. You know, really really
great that I started to tinkerating. Now

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think about this, al Geibergers having
one of the great golfams of all time.

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left side like I used to,
and he said it works like a charm.

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So that was the kind of the
catalyst in the history of how I

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really bought into this because I had
to buy into it just like everybody else

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I was taught. You know,
shift you away to the take your shirt

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them and shift you a way to
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the left. And you know,
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got to make a little lateral slide
and then rotate, and this eliminates that

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lateral side slide. So then everyone
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you need to write this in some
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people can see it. And you
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hard there. I'm the elbow,
I mean, my ego pretty hard there.

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So I thought, well, what
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So I wrote that little periodical.
It's small little book, as you

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know, but I think it's concise. And I have done this now since

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today I got that letter. I
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doing this. And I can tell
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I can't do it this way,
I can't hit it this way I think

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this is wrong, not one,
and I would tell you even if there

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was one, I would tell you
it's never happened. And I've had a

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lot of guests, by the way, come from your side your site,

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that came into town to take a
lesson from me, and I must say

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that I got love letters from them
after m I've received those letters as well.

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I've had people in the golf Smarter
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the United States and even outside I'm
pretty sure, who have come to Palm

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Desert in the Palm Springs area in
southern California to take lessons with you and

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were just just so happy of the
results. It really has been astounding,

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and you can only thank mister Hogan
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think there was other players that played
off the left side for sure in his

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era, and subsequently some that did
after. I mean Lee Trevino, on

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a conversation I had with him,
said to me, I've seen a lot

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of guys that had great, long
careers that played off the left side,

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but I've never seen anyone that had
a long career that played off the right

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side. And I didn't understand what
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like most people, I was embarrassed
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was talking about, and no true
statement can be made. The thing I

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love about it is that I get
women have started to play golf later in

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years, and also men, and
they've taken a couple of lessons. They

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and I say, well, you
know, you're really on to finishing your

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slay it and so let my protoe
going to shift my weight, but I

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just can't do it. And I
explained to them, but I said,

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the reason you can't is because your
body is in the wrong position. At

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the top of the E're in a
place where there's no way, no place

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to go but the hit off of
the right foot. Throw your arms at

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the ball and just hope that your
hands square instead of roll over and closer,

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are stay open. And that's why
a lot of people, you know,

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they slice the ball and then they
pull the ball and now they don't

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know where to go. And it's
just primarily because they've put the responsibility of

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scoring the clubt with the hands and
arms, and that is tenulous at best.

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When you do this system, you
set up to the ball, and

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you create your triangle with your arms, and you set to the golf ball.

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You rotate your right shoulder behind your
neck, so there's no movement to

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the right. What you're doing is
displace and your weight behind your spine,

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and in doing that, the right
hip and right shoulder go behind you,

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and you actually add a little bit
more weight to the left side. The

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right arm folds into its throat position
simultaneously as a right shoulder turns, so

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it's a real simple move. You're
not trying to take it back low or

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do all these things that we've been
talked about are cockterist here. Don't talk

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to rists here. You just take
that try and go back with the rotation

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of your right side behind you and
let the right arm fold naturally, and

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that sets the club and it's in
your throw position. Because everybody's in a

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little different position. If I give
you a baseball, say throw thread,

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you might throw it from a little
different position above your shoulder or below your

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shoulder than I would, and we're
all subject to that. So it's ludicrous

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to tell someone I don't care that
you have to put the club here,

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because here it doesn't exist. It's
depending on their anatomy. And then the

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next part of it is I don't
get involved with where the club head is

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at the top and the sense of
is by wrist flat or is by risk

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cupped. I let the natural hinging
of the risk occur. Some people it

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flattens a little bit, some people
it stays cupped. It really matters is

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where it's at impact. And I
find that, you know, Halgan cupped

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his wrist like crazy, but it
impacts his risks were flat, And I

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think that's really not a part of
manipulation of the hands. I think that's

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part of getting the left side out
of the way, keeping the left arm

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connected across the chest. And let
me say this, no matter who you

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are, if you're right handed golfer, when you take the club back,

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your left arm goes across your chest. So that's not some trickery. That's

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the only way you can move.
And when that left arm goes across the

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chest, it connects. It connects
on top of the pectoral muscle of your

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left side of your chest. That's
that's where true connection is. So when

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you take that club back, the
right arm folds, that left arm is

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stretched across the chest. Where that
chest, where that left arm is is

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setting, is where it must stay
on the first move of the downswing.

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That's why a lot of people used
to put a headcover under their arm pit

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or a handkerchief, and that was
to keep that left arm from coming down

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immediately in the downswing. Because once
you do that, you are now subject

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to what your arms can do.
You've left your body behind. So all

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this stuff about dropping the hands first, I mean, I'm not saying that

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you can't do that, but for
the average person, they drop their hands

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first, they're going to just pull
their arms down and they're going to either

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hit it behind the ball or hit
it fin and if they're lucky, they're

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going to hit it in the air. But they're not going to hit it

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with any force because they're only using
their arms. They've eliminated their core.

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Where when you take the club back
correctly across the chest and then you start

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a rotational move oors, you're doing
the opposite of what you do on the

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backsley. You turned on a single
axis, which is your left side,

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and then you rotate around that axis
and that arm stays there eventually to right

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out straight and just the club hits
the ball and then as you rotate to

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the left and you must have the
club follows you back to the left and

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the left arm fold it's just like
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So it's a really simple it's a
simple, simple move. And I have

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people that come to me that are, you know, ones and two handicaps,

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thirty handicaps, and they always say, what, don't I have to

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worry about this? Don't I have
to worry about it? I said,

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no, you're hitting the ball great, aren't you. Yeah, I says,

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golf is like every other sports.
There's a domino effect. You make

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the correct move here, a bunch
of good moves happen, you get in

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the wrong position. I don't care
who you are, you're going to have

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a tough time with the game.
I get frequent questions from listeners asking me

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about the book and the DVD that
you have offered and want to know your

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response which is better for them.
I always say, just buy both,

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but when somebody wants to when somebody
wants to stay you more of the Lost

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Fundamental, which is the name of
the book and the DVD, which are

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both available, and our golfer Smart
goolf smarter dot com. Tell me the

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difference from your perspective of what those
two have to offer. Well, I

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think that we all learn differently.
Some people like to see it, and

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some people can when they read it, they can see it. You know.

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I personally love the book because I
can go back and I can put

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in the yellow marks where I I
think it's important. I think because I

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forget myself. Believe me. You
know, there's a science to this,

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and even in this simplicity, the
sequence has to be correct. When I

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hit a ball, fan or fat, I know that I first of all

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didn't get past the ball. And
that's one of the one of the things

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that I hear all the time.
Stay behind the ball, Stay behind the

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ball. There's no sport that I
know where you don't move through impact.

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When you throw a punch, when
you need a tennis ball, when you

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have a baseball, there's a movement
forward. Now it isn't a straight line

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movement, but there's a movement.
Pass the ball. For sure, you

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got to end up on your left
side, so you're rotating around that axis.

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But pass the ball. You want
your right shoulder and right hip to

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go past the golf ball. You
don't want to keep it behind. And

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that's again what I see on the
drive range all the time. You see

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people end up with their swinging still
back on the right right foot. There's

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a couple of guys on tour that
I will mention that if they understood this

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and got over a little bit and
address on the left side, they wouldn't

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be hitting off that right side and
all of a sudden hit it a fairway

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left or fairly right, which they
still continue to do. And these are

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unbelievable golfers that have so much talent
and do it every day. Think about

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the average guy, our gal.
They don't put that much time and they

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don't have the physical attributes that these
people have, so how the heck are

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they to go play the game.
And that's why the score is primarily stayed

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the same for men and women.
With all this technology, new ball,

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all this stuff, scores is still
really, really high. I always had

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a wrist hinge issue with my left
hand. I'm right handed, but my

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wrist is hinged. I'm just starting
to get it under control here, but

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I've always found that what the impact
it had on me was that my club

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face would be open at impact and
so the ball most people roll, Yeah,

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most people roll or it comes with
the right hand grab. They roll

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the club open. Okay. Now
that's a compensation that has to be dealt

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with on the dolls wing. So
you got to roll the club closed.

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And who can roll it open and
close it and get it right back to

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where they started as they're moving it's
seven eighty miles an hour cloud club at

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speed. I mean, it's just
it's all silly to think you can.

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So most people roll it open and
then close it hook the ball. In

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fact, that that's how a lot
of people, when they want to look

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the ball, will fan it and
then close it and they'll get a little

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drawer or close it coick to make
it go wrong corner. The correct way

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I believe is that when you hold
the close in your hands, your right

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your left wrist should be bed and
your right wrist should be flat. Okay,

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And what you want to do is
you want to move that position at

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least past your right leg in the
back swing, and you move it with

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the turning of your shoulders, which
swings the arms back. Now, if

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you do that, if you do
that, if you can get past that

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and just let the natural occurrence happen. What will happen is that the right

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wrist will go back a little bit
and fold down like you're holding plates.

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Depin on how much how much flexibility
you have on the risk, and the

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left wrist will flatten a bit.
It may it may only hinge like you're

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hinging a club towards your nose,
you know, up and down may hinge,

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or it may flat in a little
bit. And then again it depends

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on the way you have your hands
on the club, flexibility of verst and

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so forth. Remember the backswing,
it's just it's just the point where you're

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changing directions. So it's not you
take the club up to a spot and

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stop and start. That's just you
know, the golf sort is a continuous

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move. Uh. But but to
start the club back, you need to

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start it back slow. It has
to have a rhythm, but it has

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to be slow because if you start
fast, two things occur. You're gonna

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grab it with the right hand and
you're going to pull it right wrist back.

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You're going to bring that club back
to the inside too soon. That's

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number one and number two. When
you have a fast backswing, you're always

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going to have a short backswing.
Those two go together. So if you

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want to hit it a long ways, you have to have a wide swing

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and you have to take time.
As I tell people, if you're going

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to shoot an arrow with a bowl, you have to pull that bowl all

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the way back. There's there's a
time period to do that. So you

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see people with these real short,
fast swings. They hit it nowhere,

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and that's the majority of people are
playing because they're not sure what they want

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to do, so they get quick, they get it over with. How

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would you advise someone to change their
tempo and be conscious of it. I

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have a friend that I've been playing
with. I've have a friend that I've

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been playing with for years that stands
over the ball for almost forty seconds.

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He just stares at the ball and
then all of a sudden, if you

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blinked, you miss the entire swing. It is so fast, and he

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can't understand why he doesn't get better, and it's like, dude, slow

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down. Well, yeah, first
of all, he needs to he needs

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to have a pre shot routine when
starts from behind the ball and then he

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goes to the golf but looks at
the target, looks back at the ball

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and as he's doing that, he's
aligning himself and calming himself down. And

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then to start the temple, A
good a good way to start the temples.

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Start with like your right knee kind
of a kick in. It just

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kicks kind of like a forward press. But you really want your body to

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set the temple. You don't want
your hands and arms to set the temple

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because they'll get out of position immediately. These they'll get they'll get across you,

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and your chest has moved. And
now when your chest turns and your

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shoulders turned, your club's going to
go way inside. So the sequence has

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to be a more one piece.
Now, you know, I don't mind

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if the club hit moves a little
early, a little first, but I

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like to feel as if I set
the temple with the sternal of my chest.

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Some people like to set the temple
with their shoulders, but for God's

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sakes, you can't set the temple
with your hands because you'll start slow and

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then you'll quick you'll you know,
yank it back because you'll it just doesn't

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feel right. You've got to do
this like you're winding up your body and

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not just taking your arms back.
And that's I think that's a good thought.

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Is that a slow wind of the
body so that you can really get

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coiled and now you've got some room
to create momentum on the down slide.

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How do you create the tempo or
set the tempo from your sternum? Well,

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I think about I think about my
chest turning. Okay, so I

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just think the center of my chest. So I connect my arms and so

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my arm. Imagine that my chest
is a picture and my two arms are

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a frame of that picture. I
try to keep that picture the chest between

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those two arms, okay, And
so I focus on that picture, and

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I'm using this analogy because it's my
picture. You know, other people might

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use their nose. I don't know, but I use that, and so

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I try to keep that picture inside
that frame as I turn. So in

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doing so, I'm taking the address
position and I'm moving it to the right

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of me, and then of course
the armholes and puts club in in my

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throw position. But that's that's my
process because I've always been fast. I've

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been a Lanny Watkins kind of backswing. And you know, if you have

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the challenge at landing Watkins, you
can get away with it. But I

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certainly don't and most people don't.
So what happens, SERI, you pull

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that baby aside too much. You
mentioned about putting the club head cover under

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your arm made me think about I
don't know if he's a disciple of yours,

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but I know he's a fan of
yours. And that's Martin Chuck of

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Tour Striker out of Arizona. He's
been on the show multiple times, and

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he developed the Tours Striker Club and
now he has a new product that this

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little inflatable ball that you can either
deflate it and put under your arms,

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or when you inflate it, you
hold it between your arms so that they

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stay connected, right, And he
talks about he's been on the show multiple

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times, and he talks about you
and your methods. Well, you know,

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Martin, it's really funny. I
was a member of I was giving

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an honorary membership at a club that
Martin was the head progam here in the

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desert, and you know, I
always try to stay away out of the

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way of the pro shop and all
that, because I felt a little guilty.

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I was paying any dudes, I
was paying any membership fees. So

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I was always in the back of
the arrangement I played, and this happened

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late in my life. You know, I saw I wasn't a great player

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or anything. Martin and I liked
Martin very much, really a gentleman,

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a really nice young guy. But
at that time we didn't really get social

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because I always, like I said, I always felt like, I hope

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he doesn't think I'm going to be
trying to give lessons out here, or

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I'm after his job or anything like
that. Doesn't want of pros feel that

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way. Martin has, It turned
out, didn't have that kind of thought

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in his mind. But one day
he asked her if I would play in

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a junior senior event with him,
and I said sure, but part of

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me said, oh, man,
I don't want to shoot eighty because,

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like I say, this is end
of my off career. So we cot

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paired with two of the best players
in Southern California. One guy's going on

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the tour, one guy just got
off the senior tour. That was there's

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team against us that we started the
first hole and we tied them, but

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they had blasted their balls out there
fifty yards past both of us, and

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then we had started. It was
a shot to the event. We started

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on the ninth hole and then it
was like a crazy thing. I meane,

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Birdie had ten and eleventh, Part
twelve, Birdy thirteen, Part fourteen,

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had a hole in one and fifteen
Birdy sixteen, and I shot like

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twenty nine or twenty eight on the
back that said, what are you doing

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out here? Martin? Somebody should
put up with plaqu right now because a

409
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:52,200
miracle is occurring. Well, anyway, long story short, I think I

410
00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:59,400
shot one under on the back and
Martin shot two or three under on the

411
00:29:59,839 --> 00:30:03,480
other, I should say, and
we win the tournament going away. I

412
00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:06,400
mean, it was just it wasn't
even a contest. The two guys were

413
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:11,759
playing with the looks on their faces. Was at wish I had that picture

414
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,680
because of this classic as they figured, you know, especially on the first

415
00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:18,200
roll of the droll. It out
there about three ten each and we're out

416
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,680
there about two sixty. You know, well, we're going to get rid

417
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,759
of these guys real quick. Is
to turn off. We want the tournament.

418
00:30:25,839 --> 00:30:30,759
So you know, Martin and I
we've laughed about that tournament and the

419
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:33,519
only time we ever played together,
okay, and we've never really talked about

420
00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:40,359
the golf swing but I watched Revolutionary
Golf every now and then, and Martin's

421
00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:45,880
on there and are are on your
site, and we talked the same language.

422
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:51,039
We believe it the same thing.
And as ironic as this is is,

423
00:30:51,119 --> 00:30:53,839
I had to see Martin for years. I went to Lake Tahoe last

424
00:30:55,359 --> 00:30:59,799
summer with my gal and one of
my clients belong to a golf course up

425
00:30:59,799 --> 00:31:03,880
there, and when I walk in, Gus Jones, who I know very

426
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,440
well from the desert, is an
anthro and Martin Juff is a teaching prone

427
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,400
I'm just about fell over. So
we had a big laugh over there.

428
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,799
But he's a great guy, really, a very very fine golfer. I

429
00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:18,680
mean, and you know, if
you want to watch one of the golf

430
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,160
singers, look at what he's doing
and that tour striker and that he created

431
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,680
his genius it really is Do you
like that? Do you like that product

432
00:31:25,759 --> 00:31:30,400
and what it how it teaches you
to come down on the ball. Well,

433
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,640
I'm sure I like him. And
the only thing is I will say

434
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,720
that it's for the average guy.
It's very hard because the average guy doesn't

435
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,720
do it right, doesn't get you
know, it doesn't He's got that handle

436
00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:44,720
behind the club. He had the
impact, so the head's coming up,

437
00:31:44,759 --> 00:31:48,039
so he stopped and he get the
bowl airborne. And I must say,

438
00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:51,759
the first time I did it,
I just shot it down the about a

439
00:31:51,799 --> 00:31:53,359
foot off the ground. About what
the heck, you know? But then

440
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,880
al Geiberger was the first one that
had had one, and he brought it

441
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,720
over and he says, you got
to try this, and then the ast

442
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,480
you my correct kick, and I
started the ball and I thought, God,

443
00:32:05,559 --> 00:32:08,839
this is terrific, and you know
it must be a good thought trillion.

444
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:20,839
Yeah, he's having fun with that. I'm curious to go back to

445
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,680
this, this tournament that the two
of you played together, because recently in

446
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:30,640
a conversation UH with Mark Brody about
Every Shot Counts his book, and we

447
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:37,759
were talking about golf metrics and how
he's saying that statistics show that the drive

448
00:32:37,839 --> 00:32:40,960
for show put for doe is actually
backwards. That you really if you hit

449
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,799
the ball longer and farther, you're
gonna have lower scores. I should say

450
00:32:46,039 --> 00:32:51,519
longer and straighter, you're gonna have
lower scores because you're you're coming into the

451
00:32:51,559 --> 00:32:54,119
green with shorter irons, which are
gonna, you know, increase your chances

452
00:32:54,680 --> 00:33:00,440
of hitting the green. What was
the key? What is it about you

453
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:05,599
guys not hitting the ball far?
But okay, you got a hold one.

454
00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:08,759
But what is it that that beat
them? And what can we learn

455
00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:14,519
from that? What really happened?
Uh? I kind of after the really

456
00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:22,359
after the first tea shot, which
was a it was mediocre at best,

457
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:27,759
I kind of felt something. Uh
it was like a little precock position at

458
00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:32,359
address. And I don't know how
things happened. And I started, you

459
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:37,599
know, because I was playing from
the senior teas. I started keeping it

460
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:43,839
up with this fellow and on occasion
even doctor Passon and and and I think

461
00:33:43,839 --> 00:33:46,279
I rattled them a little bit because
you know, on the first first te

462
00:33:46,359 --> 00:33:51,519
shot he got me the at least
with fearms, So that was part of

463
00:33:51,559 --> 00:33:54,759
it. And then my iron plate
just got stupid good. I was just

464
00:33:55,039 --> 00:34:00,400
drilling it in there. And I
mean I was laughing, truthfully, laughing

465
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:06,640
to myself, like when is this
bubble gonna bursts? And just to think

466
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,159
about this, going hold on one
birdie okay, you know, I mean

467
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:16,360
usually you go hold on one triple
bogie excited, but it just, you

468
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,639
know, I guess I kind of
got out of my own way and it

469
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,000
was in an overdrive when I got
that feeling that no matter what I did,

470
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,320
it was going to be good.
And you know that they call that

471
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,039
the zone. But you know,
you know, I have a fifteen or

472
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:36,079
twenty foot put bam and the whole
ten foot put bam and the whole five

473
00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:39,159
foot put bam, and it just
just just it just went crazy. And

474
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:42,400
then when I got a little bit
conscious of it, you know, and

475
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,880
you shoot under thirty uh, and
then went to the other side. I

476
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:50,599
had started with a par I had
eight holes to go. I had a

477
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:53,559
tough time because I was conscious.
I wanted to shoot some you know,

478
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:59,920
your ego gets so going out of
proportion. Uh. So you know,

479
00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:01,760
like I said, I think I
was one under or something like that,

480
00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:07,400
but that one night was magic.
It was just I thought, well,

481
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,199
this is what it must feel like
to be tied Wood was or whoever,

482
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:14,159
you know, because you know,
it was just simple. It was just

483
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:19,039
absolutely simple. Getting back to what
you said about something, I'd like to

484
00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:23,320
bring something up from my past years
ago. I was training some ladies on

485
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:28,559
the LPGA when I was at Mission
Hills, and I mean because they had

486
00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:32,559
the craft of the Bisco at that
time, and I became a big fan

487
00:35:32,599 --> 00:35:37,400
of ladies golf because I saw how
great they hit the golf ball, but

488
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:42,199
they couldn't hit it very far compared
to a man. And I started thinking

489
00:35:42,199 --> 00:35:46,119
about it way way back when he
had a termament. I can't even remember

490
00:35:46,159 --> 00:35:49,400
that they were, but it was
a man and a woman against a man

491
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,079
and a woman. So just for
the fun of it, I started using

492
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:57,840
the computer and looking at the distance, and women hit the drive and also

493
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,599
the second shot. And when I
looked at what the ladies tour was,

494
00:36:01,559 --> 00:36:07,519
hardly anybody was reaching power fives two
and they were hitting long irons, and

495
00:36:07,079 --> 00:36:12,559
sometimes Ferrari was to the power fours
where the men were hitting drives eight iron,

496
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:15,320
seven irons right in there all the
time, and the long hunters were

497
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:19,239
brought away with the power four as
you drive and lynch. So I compiled

498
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,840
a distance advantage that I thought men
women should have over men, and I

499
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:28,599
wanted to set up men tournament,
I mean, a woman against ben tournament.

500
00:36:29,679 --> 00:36:32,360
And we came up with seventy five
yard distance. And I knew Sandra

501
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:37,800
Palm and some of the gals from
the NDABISCO had told them about it,

502
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,519
and We went over to a golf
course and at that time I could pop

503
00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:45,719
it out there three hundred yards plus, so I played from the back tees

504
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,360
and then I moved the girls up
seventy five yards and we hit our t

505
00:36:49,559 --> 00:36:52,480
shots and well, heck, they
were still ahead of me even if I

506
00:36:52,559 --> 00:36:57,159
busted it, because they needed to
be because they needed to hit cbs going

507
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,119
to hit an eight R and I
hit an eight air and at that time

508
00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:04,000
about one sixty they would have to
be. They would have to be able

509
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,239
to hit an eight from their distance
probably about like one fifty or one forty

510
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:13,000
five. So there they needed that
distance advantage also the second shot. So

511
00:37:13,039 --> 00:37:15,480
it worked out great and we played
nine holes in they shot. They were

512
00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:20,559
all, you know, five under
and they, you know, very excited.

513
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:23,840
Thirty one, thirty two is for
you know, a part thirty six.

514
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:30,599
So I got some people interested in
my concept and they said, well,

515
00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:36,320
we'll fund that. Its culinary work. Regunie and went to the PGA

516
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,360
with the idea. I'm trying,
I can't think of the name of the

517
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:44,199
guy. Then there was a good
player. He was an attorney with glasses

518
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:49,360
and he immediately said, no,
we would never do that. Because you

519
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,440
know, we have nothing in the
game. So I came back with my

520
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,440
tail between my legs and I met
with Commissioner re Volpi, who was a

521
00:37:55,639 --> 00:38:00,320
commissioner for the LPGA at the time, and we talked about it and said,

522
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:05,320
well, there is one chance we
could do the thing in December when

523
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,239
there is no tour. We could
do it like an old turk dance.

524
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:13,280
We'll have the gals invite the guys. So my friends that were sponsoring the

525
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,840
thing in the Hotel Workers Union,
they got the Dural Country Club and we

526
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:22,880
had the gals invite the boys.
Said the Palmer invited Arnold Palmer, and

527
00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:27,960
anyway, we had Trevino Palmer,
we had everybody, and we did this

528
00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:31,480
tournament and it was a rolls and
success. Didn't have it on regular television,

529
00:38:31,519 --> 00:38:36,960
had on PBS, but you know, everybody really enjoyed the event.

530
00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:40,559
But they didn't play men against women, but they did give the gallas a

531
00:38:40,599 --> 00:38:45,920
seventy five yard dis stands. The
second year, Frank Snotra, who I

532
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:50,920
knew very well, say I'd like
to sponsor that tournament and I'll bring a

533
00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:54,719
Stayers Roebuck in. But she did, and you know, long story short,

534
00:38:55,400 --> 00:39:00,760
just before the tournament was going to
be announced, the mom uh flew

535
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,480
was in a jet plane to go
see him in Vegas and they flew right

536
00:39:05,519 --> 00:39:08,800
into the Santa Rose and mountains here
in the desert. She died and he

537
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:13,079
had to back out of the tournament, and of course Hears went with him.

538
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,320
So there I am now, and
I spent more money than I had

539
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:22,079
trying to promote this thing and make
the appearance of success. You know,

540
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:28,320
fancy card closed. So because I
was meeting with the Actors Equity, which

541
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,840
was one of mister Snoptra's charities and
for actors that are now on their luck,

542
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,239
they either pay for their medical bills
or so far. Well, when

543
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:43,719
I got the word from mister snopts
people that you know, he couldn't announce

544
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:49,960
obviously, you know, Mom died, calling LPGA grabbed the tournament with the

545
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:55,840
PGA and they had waiting in the
ways hands uh J C pennies and that's

546
00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:00,320
when they became a Jac Kennedies Mixed
Team Championship and out of I think they

547
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,960
played somewhere in Florida, like Tampa
or something like that, and it was

548
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,199
on TV for about fourteen years and
everybody said, well, you got to

549
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,000
sue. That was your idea,
and you have all the paperwork, and

550
00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:14,320
I said, look, I was
trying to promote ladies going. I don't

551
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:19,039
give a damn about suing anybody.
I feel like I got. I should

552
00:40:19,039 --> 00:40:22,800
have been giving a pad on the
back or a goal watch or something.

553
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:27,000
But the key thing that the key
thing that I was bringing this up about

554
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,119
it is not so much I had
lost the turn everything, But the disparity

555
00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:36,440
between men and women's golf is distance. It's not ability. Believe me when

556
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,119
I tell you the gals can hit
the hell out of the golf bottle,

557
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,800
and they can. I think there's
a few gals out there that I'll put

558
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:50,360
against the men and putting any day. But you can't overcome the distance.

559
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,719
And you know, when Michelle Wee
was coming out and she's fourteen and doing

560
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,320
so well, when people were saying
she's going to go on the tour,

561
00:40:55,639 --> 00:41:00,920
they interviewed me and I said,
look, you know can do lift weights,

562
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:05,280
uh for ten years, and then
you put me in a cage where

563
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,719
a bear or a lion or or
whatever, and they're gonna tear apart.

564
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:15,320
And that's that's nature and yellow the
show's a wonderful little gallay. It's all

565
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,760
really good at going. He can't
compete with a man. I don't don't,

566
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,639
don't be stupid. That's all that, all that garbage, And I

567
00:41:22,639 --> 00:41:27,880
think the people that were pushing that
hurt her. They put a lot of

568
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,440
pressure in their girl. And so
I happen to see her playing great golf

569
00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:37,719
again. But there's a there's a
distance difference. And when you say is

570
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:42,119
there an advantage and love, sure
there is, of course there is.

571
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,320
If I've got an eight iron into
the green, you've got feign and the

572
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,000
green were somewhat the same. I'm
going to beat your brains up. It's

573
00:41:49,079 --> 00:41:53,119
just because well it's just it's just
science. I mean, it's just math.

574
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:59,079
It's an easier shot. So you're
absolutely right when you say that does

575
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:06,079
mean something. But distances at everything, and that was proved they share.

576
00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:07,599
When we were in the regional championship, I had a boy that could need

577
00:42:07,639 --> 00:42:12,599
a three forty of fatigue, no
doubt. But we played a real tight

578
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,920
little golf course where you can't hit
driver. They just look the designer and

579
00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:19,199
just love you to hit drivers,
so you could not had out of bounds

580
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,559
and that's exactly what happened to me. I don't want only three drivers out

581
00:42:22,599 --> 00:42:27,840
of bounds. So that's craziness.
There is a point where you have to

582
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,719
look at what the what the hole
is and then you have to say,

583
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,440
okay, this is what I must
do. I'm going to take double and

584
00:42:32,519 --> 00:42:37,320
triple and all that out of play. By doing this, that's managing yourself

585
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,719
on the golf course. That's what
I try to teach by players. Sometimes

586
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:47,119
they listens and sometimes they don't.
The distance isn't advantage to a point.

587
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:59,599
So now on the women's tour,
we have an eleven year old who's making

588
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:02,639
headline. Yeah, isn't that crazy? What's wonderful? Actually, it's really

589
00:43:02,679 --> 00:43:07,199
wonderful. Tell me what you know
about her and what you've seen and what

590
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:12,559
your thoughts are about someone who can
compete at that level at that age.

591
00:43:13,679 --> 00:43:16,000
Well, you know I saw that
she had one of the pitch and put

592
00:43:16,199 --> 00:43:20,719
things or was one of the winners. Yeah, at Augusta, and it

593
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,440
turns herut and gets on the tour
august In a qualifier for the US opening,

594
00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:29,320
makes it for the ladies. It
doesn't surprise me. Fair, I've

595
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,559
got a fifteen year old by the
mayor June Jang that found my video.

596
00:43:34,519 --> 00:43:38,920
I started her when she was a
little past twelve, and recently she played

597
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:45,280
in a major event in it was
called a silver Bell event, I think

598
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:51,800
in Phoenix somewhere, and she shot
seventy four sixty four, seventy against twenty

599
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:58,360
six year olds. And just recently
she played in the Golf Week magazine tournament.

600
00:43:58,679 --> 00:44:01,639
The previous years she has sixty seven
seventy one to win it, and

601
00:44:01,679 --> 00:44:07,280
this year she shot seventy five with
a triple part five which she tried to

602
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,719
go into when there's water on both
sides, and she learned a good lesson.

603
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,719
But then she came back with sixty
eight and she said, Coach,

604
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,159
I had airy green. She said, I missed so many plucks I could.

605
00:44:16,159 --> 00:44:20,159
I had fifty nine today. And
it wouldn't shock me if she said,

606
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,599
Coach, I shot fifty nine a
day. That's how good these kids

607
00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:29,840
are nowadays. What they're doing is
what it used to take us ten years.

608
00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:35,719
They're compressing that into a year because
they're practicing every single day. They

609
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,119
got a wedge or a putter in
their hand all the time. They're not

610
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:44,559
thinking about they're not thinking about music, para dos nothing. All they're thinking

611
00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:47,400
about is how to get the ball
in the hole. There's a mindset out

612
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:53,440
there with a lot of young kids
that just love the sport. But it's

613
00:44:53,559 --> 00:45:00,360
like what happened when the Beatles came
out. Every mom and dad want to

614
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:04,400
give their kid a guitar to learn
because they saw a chance for fame.

615
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,800
And I think that's what's happening.
Young people are starting to really discover golf.

616
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,639
And you know, you're like a
rock star, for God's sakes,

617
00:45:12,679 --> 00:45:15,239
if you're really good in golf.
Here here a start. You know,

618
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,559
we see the men's stir. Well, the same thing is going to happen

619
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:22,239
to women's. But the women's will
never be as popular as men's because that's

620
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,159
just how life is. But but
if you want to see quality golf,

621
00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:30,639
lots of women play it's it's it's
unbelievable. Uh. And and they're and

622
00:45:30,679 --> 00:45:36,360
they're and they're getting longer. And
when you read these stories about eleven year

623
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,320
olds making it's just great for golf, and women's golf especially, but more

624
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,639
importantly, it's great for juniors.
For a kid, they see, my

625
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,440
god, an eleven year old make
it. Mom, get me a wedge

626
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,960
by way said clubs. Uh,
you know, we know that it takes

627
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,480
a lot of hard work and you
have to be a special training of person

628
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:58,639
to get it all the way to
the tour. But it's still this is

629
00:45:58,679 --> 00:46:01,199
such a great sport. It's such
a great sport for a kid. It's

630
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:06,000
a lifelong sport. Teaches us so
many great lessons. And hey, every

631
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,079
now and then, out of a
batch of kids, you get one that's

632
00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:12,000
so special. And June is to
me. I mean she's like, she's

633
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:15,760
like my daughter. I mean,
I just adore her and she is such

634
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:21,119
a hard worker. Uh. I
had a couple of big universities called I

635
00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:23,400
can't I don't want to mention their
names, but they're already looking at her

636
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:30,119
and she's a sophomore. It's fantastic. So it didn't surprise me. I

637
00:46:30,119 --> 00:46:31,840
mean it did a little bit,
but I didn't say, oh my god,

638
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,960
that's not possible, because it is
possible when you when you go to

639
00:46:36,199 --> 00:46:38,559
some of these ag gas, the
events and some of the things that the

640
00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:44,400
PGA does, and those those near
the should be so thank for doing that,

641
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,079
and you see the talent gets out
there. It's just it's mine it's

642
00:46:47,079 --> 00:46:50,559
mine. Bomb man. I've got
a seven year old and I'm teaching right

643
00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:53,880
now, and I want to tell
you something he got he's got corrected also,

644
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:58,159
and is anybody on tour? I
mean it's when I say it's perfect,

645
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,920
it's perfect. And he beats them
all out there, way farther than

646
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:06,119
a seven year old she did.
And where's he What's he going to be

647
00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:08,920
doing when he's fifteen or sixteen if
he continues this and all he can think

648
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:15,400
about it he watches the golf channel. He doesn't watch SpongeBob. It's crazy,

649
00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:19,320
you know, it's crazy, and
I love it. I just love

650
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,480
it. So the fifteen year old, if I'm not mistaken, is it

651
00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:29,119
June Jang Jane Jang, And she's
on my video and the swing that he

652
00:47:29,199 --> 00:47:32,519
had is tighter and better than it
was then. It was pretty down good

653
00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:37,719
bed because you, yeah, at
the end of twenty thirteen, you sent

654
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:45,039
me a couple of video clips of
her swing and I will definitely put those

655
00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:49,119
up on the blog post with this
show. But you also sent me the

656
00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:53,360
video of the seven year old boy
what's his name? Ivan Tran, Ivan

657
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,280
Tran, Okay, I'll put I'll
put those up so people can see what

658
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,360
you're talking about, because you have
interesting there's short, there's short videos are

659
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,320
real quick. It's just the kid
swing. But yeah, you'll have to

660
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,800
do you just look at the swing. You say, holy macro, how

661
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,480
the heck did he do that?
And in Iland's case, I can't take

662
00:48:10,519 --> 00:48:15,719
credit for his swing because he watched
the golf channel and and copied it.

663
00:48:16,199 --> 00:48:20,840
Uh So when when his dad came
to me and said, would you help

664
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,320
my son? And I haven't seen
him hit the ball in the range because

665
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:27,440
every time he comes out there he
draws a crowd. I said, I

666
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,000
said, you've done a great job
of him. Said, he won't listen

667
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:34,960
to me anymore. I cracked up
seventy years old ago. But the truth

668
00:48:35,039 --> 00:48:38,800
is the dad doesn't play golf and
the kid knows that. So I had

669
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:44,719
such I mean, I want to
tell you something. I would pay to

670
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,559
give this kid lessons. And I
don't charge I don't charge kids, but

671
00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:52,920
I would pay to give this little
kid lessons because it's it's just looking at

672
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,480
a phenomenon in the future. I
mean, this kid's going to do something

673
00:48:55,480 --> 00:49:00,519
in golf, is going to be
crazy. And he puts his chips lack

674
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:05,760
a pro I mean, already he
gets on the punting green and you'll see

675
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,360
all people putting. Everybody stops because
they see him roll one after another twenty

676
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,840
foot or one right after another bag
And I just sit there and just watch

677
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,400
the ball just keeps going in the
hole. He thinks it's was supposed to

678
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:23,199
happen. Yeah, it's fabulous.
Well so, I've always been fascinated by

679
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:29,960
young people who come up on the
tour because it's it's golf is well beyond

680
00:49:30,119 --> 00:49:36,679
physical skills, there's the metal aspect. There's the emotional aspect of dealing with

681
00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:42,280
the pressure of a Sunday round.
And you know, I'm thinking a seven

682
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,920
year old, he's going to bang
it away. He doesn't even know or

683
00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:49,880
understand what it means to have the
pressure on, you know, with all

684
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:54,159
the eyes watching and got to make
this putt. How is the metal side

685
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:57,960
for? I mean, these kids
can hit balls like crazy all day long.

686
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,400
But put him on a golf course
in competition, what happens then?

687
00:50:01,559 --> 00:50:06,519
Oh? You know, I haven't
played in a number of tournaments which he's

688
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:09,000
won or been in second place.
Yeah, competing against seven year olds,

689
00:50:09,079 --> 00:50:13,440
right of course, Yeah, of
course, yeah, but but, but

690
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:19,199
this is the thing that I think
that is happening like this, eleven years

691
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:23,400
old. Eleven year old, they
see they can do it, they enjoy

692
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:27,880
doing it, and they love people
watching them do it. So they don't

693
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,199
have the insecurities and the feelings why
can't I beat this? They don't.

694
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:34,079
They don't even think that way.
It's a totally different way of thinking.

695
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:38,000
And I think it's just the era
we're in. You know, kids are

696
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:45,599
kids are our other shell really early
because of television and whatever. I think,

697
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,920
I think back when you were a
kid, things you did, and

698
00:50:50,639 --> 00:50:55,280
what's what's happening today? Because of
because of I don't think it's all good,

699
00:50:55,360 --> 00:51:00,480
don't get me wrong, but because
of Facebook and everything, everyone's more

700
00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:04,880
involved in the social aspects. So
people have a tendency to be a little

701
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,800
bit more. They're not so self
conscious. And you know, I was

702
00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:13,639
such a wallflower. I mean I
remember going to a dance when I was

703
00:51:13,639 --> 00:51:17,000
a sophomore, and I was I
was literally stuck against the wall, afraid

704
00:51:17,039 --> 00:51:22,559
to ask anybody to dance. That
doesn't occur anymore. I mean, that

705
00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:29,199
doesn't occur anymore because of the exposure
that they have to everything so kids don't

706
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:35,559
have that fear that I think that
we had because that's just how it was.

707
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,920
Well, they're in front of cameras
a whole lot more than we ever

708
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,519
were. I mean, there's no
pictures of me growing up. But every

709
00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:46,760
young person I know, and I'm
talking under ten is so comfortable in front

710
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:52,360
of a camera because there's been pictures
being taken every few minutes. Yeah,

711
00:51:52,679 --> 00:51:55,960
and this is you know, this
period of time now is where people are

712
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,280
showing off a lot, show off
the way they look when they try there.

713
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,480
It was conscious of all these things. So so I mean, I'm

714
00:52:02,519 --> 00:52:07,039
not saying that there aren't a few
kids that still walk around hung up on

715
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:10,920
this and hung up on that,
but the majority are much more confident,

716
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,119
I know that than when I was
a kid. Of course, I went

717
00:52:15,159 --> 00:52:20,679
to parochial school and it was pretty
it was pretty strict. Uh. But

718
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,119
these kids nowadays, I mean,
the boys had come in my programs.

719
00:52:24,119 --> 00:52:28,800
I mean, they're already they've had
experiences in their life that I didn't have

720
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,239
until I was in my thirties.
You know, uh, some good,

721
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,360
some bad, but they've just been
exposed to a hell of a lot more

722
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,440
than I was. And so consequently, they think more adult. They just

723
00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:44,159
they just they had They have more
adult feelings in the sense of what they

724
00:52:44,199 --> 00:52:46,400
think about themselves. And I can
tell you I've been If I tell Ivan,

725
00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:50,159
come on you, I want you
to need to drive for my boys

726
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,000
golf team. He can't wait to
show them that he hits it better than

727
00:52:52,039 --> 00:53:06,440
them. I mean, he can't
wait for me. About your methods the

728
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:15,119
swing for your short game, for
pitching and chipping and not full swing,

729
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:20,719
how is that impacted by what your
method is? Well, you know,

730
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:24,360
the chipping method has always been this, you playoff. If you're right handed,

731
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,559
you put the majority of your weight
on your left side. So that

732
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:36,719
falls right back into what we're doing. And modern day chippers are less handsy.

733
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:42,639
They're more arms, shoulder weight left
and a small rotation, uh just

734
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,679
and the rotation gets bigger for the
for the longer the shot. But but

735
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:50,360
there is a rotation, so they
keep the arms connected and it's still a

736
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,679
body movement, a post to just
the arms. Not to say that you

737
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,800
can't do it with just the arms, but again, when you use it

738
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:05,679
arms and hands, you're bringing in
the opportunity for the hands to overwork or

739
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,360
for you to decelerate your arms where
you stay connected and you turn through it.

740
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,480
The club is moving along with the
body, so there's no hit to

741
00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:16,639
the ball kind of thing. You
have to be on the left side for

742
00:54:16,679 --> 00:54:20,960
sure, because you want the club
to be coming down when it strikes the

743
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:27,119
golf ball. So that's part of
it. It's not it's not difficult,

744
00:54:27,199 --> 00:54:32,719
for sure. It's not difficult.
So well, I think shipping go ahead.

745
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:37,159
I'm sorry I was just going to
say. And then of course I

746
00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:43,960
teach the fall run type of chipstroke. So so shipping where you're all on

747
00:54:44,039 --> 00:54:45,920
the fringe and shortside of the grass. You know you're going to do that

748
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,960
with seven and eight six irons,
you know, can you be using a

749
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:54,920
sandwich and those guys shots pitching when
you're further back and heavier grass where the

750
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:59,800
club has to come up down but
you're still on the left side. It's

751
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,719
just that's just more of a you
know, that's just more of what I

752
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:07,119
say, a body swing though the
real chipping or you set up to the

753
00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:09,960
ball and you you take the heel
of the of the club off the ground

754
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,559
so you put it up on a
sole. And the reason you do this

755
00:55:13,639 --> 00:55:15,920
because you want to get the shaft
in the same position as your putter shaft,

756
00:55:16,119 --> 00:55:20,159
so you get your eyes right down
over the ball that you're just using

757
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:24,800
an arm armed you know, arm
swing with a fly left wrist, very

758
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:29,039
similar to your puddy stroke. And
that should be done around the green,

759
00:55:30,039 --> 00:55:32,000
you know, put away your wedges
around the green. You want to you

760
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,880
want to hit the ball in a
release and roll to the hole. You

761
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,960
don't want to try to put the
backspin and all that. It's just silliness.

762
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:43,400
But when you're pitching the ball from
a distance you have thirty yards forty

763
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,599
yards, then you have to do
use a miniature rotary motion just like you

764
00:55:46,639 --> 00:55:52,559
do with the with the full swing. Real simple. Oh yeah, sure,

765
00:55:52,639 --> 00:55:57,320
real simple. No, it really
is. If for those for those

766
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,800
of you that have chipping problems or
anything like that ever come to the desert,

767
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:02,599
but I'll get rid of them in
five balls. I mean, I

768
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:06,880
promise you, I don't care if
you if you scoop it right at the

769
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,519
bottom or anything. I have.
I teach you some pee classes beginners,

770
00:56:12,119 --> 00:56:15,000
and and I get a lot of
these people have never touched the golfid in

771
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,960
their life, and in a very
short period of time, everybody's got to

772
00:56:19,079 --> 00:56:22,719
handle ahead of a ball at impact, and it looks it looks great,

773
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,840
but it's not hard to do.
But if it's hard to do, if

774
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:30,760
you're trying to keep your wrists flat
and your body still and your head still

775
00:56:31,079 --> 00:56:34,800
and you're pushing your arms at ben
it's really hard, then you scull them

776
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,480
across the green all day long.
But that's not the action. It's it's

777
00:56:38,519 --> 00:56:42,800
you have to set up properly and
you have to understand what what the movement

778
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,079
is. But then once you get
the movement, it's really simple. Oh

779
00:56:45,159 --> 00:56:49,599
boy, do I want to see
that. I'm bringing the video camera for

780
00:56:49,639 --> 00:56:54,400
that one. Okay, anytime,
this a really duck soup. This is

781
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,280
this is This is a simple part
of the game. The only thing is

782
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,639
distance control. That's a hard part
of like shipping and putting is yeah,

783
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,000
yeah, it's what twenty flip put
You got to be able to hit it

784
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:07,880
twenty one feet twenty two feet.
Yeah, But most of the time I

785
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:13,639
see the mistakes that happen for for
chipping, is that people hit three or

786
00:57:13,639 --> 00:57:19,320
four inches behind the ball and then
well you get yeah, that's because they're

787
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,199
staying behind the ball. They're not
moving through the ball number one, or

788
00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:24,440
they're trying to they're trying to scoop
under the wall, try to get under

789
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,320
the ball and make it go up. You hear people say they'll scull this,

790
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,719
so I didn't get under that one. Well that you don't get under

791
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,800
it. You're hitting, you're hitting. You have to hit down on it,

792
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:36,159
and the ball hits the face of
the club. It slides up the

793
00:57:36,159 --> 00:57:38,400
face and then goes up in the
air. But you don't scoop the club

794
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:42,679
underneath doing shut it. I know
that you go underneath like that as a

795
00:57:42,719 --> 00:57:45,920
sandshot when you when you lay the
club back. But people try to do

796
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,840
that. They feel like they have
to help it up. And so in

797
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,280
scooping what what what to scoop?
You have to You have to uncock your

798
00:57:53,280 --> 00:58:00,079
wrist. Your left wrist gets really
cocked and the blade goes up so that

799
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:04,840
that's that's the bana, you know, But it's easily fixed once people you

800
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,559
don't say, don't scoop your wrists. You just show them. Do you

801
00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:13,000
show them a movement where they don't
the risk, don't scoop, You explain

802
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,719
how the thing really works. And
then and then it's really easy The problem

803
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:21,480
is is that a lot of teachers
that teach say don't do this, well,

804
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,159
no, you see you scoop it
or you did this, and and

805
00:58:23,199 --> 00:58:29,239
so they're still fixated on that movement
instead of getting them to do the movement

806
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:36,199
that that eliminates that. But really, honestly, if anybody wants to shift,

807
00:58:36,199 --> 00:58:38,599
they can go on any on any
website. There's so many guys out

808
00:58:38,599 --> 00:58:43,639
there that that are saying exactly what
I say, because it's not a secret.

809
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,119
And and and you know, keep
in mind, the tour is constantly

810
00:58:47,159 --> 00:58:52,280
looking for easy, the easiest way
to do these things, not the hardest.

811
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:57,239
So if you copy Michaelson or those
kinds of people, you'll see that

812
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,599
they have a process that they repeal
over and over again. But why that's

813
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:06,760
that's where more strokes are lost.
I think inside the thirty yard area,

814
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,440
then there's no question about it.
Yeah, no question about it. Uh

815
00:59:12,039 --> 00:59:15,480
I. One of the parts of
my formula for the golf team is that,

816
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:19,400
uh you've got you've got You've got
to be able to get it up

817
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,119
and down from fifty yards and end. You just got to be able to

818
00:59:22,119 --> 00:59:24,880
do that if you want to,
if you're serious about being competitive golfer,

819
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:29,920
you have to be able to do
that. And it sounds really hard,

820
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:35,639
but it's really not because once you
have emotion that is consistent and then you

821
00:59:35,719 --> 00:59:39,079
just can dial in the rotation of
your body. But when you do it

822
00:59:39,199 --> 00:59:43,000
with your hands, now you know
your nerve endings are at the end of

823
00:59:43,039 --> 00:59:45,920
the fingers, and we all get
nervous and we all get anxious, and

824
00:59:46,039 --> 00:59:51,000
that never goes away, and hopefully
never will, because that's a good thing.

825
00:59:51,199 --> 00:59:53,679
Adrenaline is a good thing if you
use it properly. But if you

826
00:59:53,719 --> 00:59:57,960
set up to the ball properly,
whether you're hitting the ball, chipping the

827
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,199
ball, whatever, and you not, your body dictates the distance the ball

828
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:06,079
is going to go by. It's
by its rotation and that tempo. Well,

829
01:00:06,119 --> 01:00:09,280
you can you can fine tune this
thing really quick, opposed to trying

830
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:14,800
to time your hands how when they
turn over, how fast they turn over,

831
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:19,519
and so forth, and those are
the things that that the modern swing,

832
01:00:21,039 --> 01:00:23,159
even though this is not really a
modern swing, but it's it's a

833
01:00:23,199 --> 01:00:27,079
modern way of teaching. You watch
the tour now, you look at the

834
01:00:27,079 --> 01:00:29,800
guys when we sat to the ball, you don't you don't see anybody way

835
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:31,760
behind the ball in the dress anymore. You know. There was a guy

836
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,559
but the named Jerry Hogan and said, I want you to stand the buck

837
01:00:35,679 --> 01:00:38,400
above the ball, but not behind
it. And that's a great statement.

838
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:45,519
And that's what the driver or anything
else. Mmm. Interesting, You're gonna

839
01:00:45,519 --> 01:00:50,000
have to come down and bring your
wedge, a suitcase, the two person,

840
01:00:50,079 --> 01:01:00,039
a wedge, a long weekend.
Okay, the suitcase, toothbrush and

841
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:04,760
a wedge. Well, yeah,
maybe maybe they either, so that can

842
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,840
show me the run up. Yes, I'll bring the pottery and we'll just

843
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:09,880
play the entire round with three clubs. How's that? Yeah, there you

844
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:16,800
go. Absolutely, that'll be interesting. It'd probably scored the same probably probably,

845
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,639
Oh, tony. Well, listen, I hope you have a full

846
01:01:21,719 --> 01:01:27,400
recovery. I'm so sorry about your
accident. And I know that I haven't

847
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,199
asked in a while. How old
are you now? I'm seventy seven.

848
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:36,159
Oh my god, but I well, right now, when I had the

849
01:01:36,239 --> 01:01:38,719
accident, I felled ninety seven.
Yeah, I bet because you're all of

850
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:44,039
a sudden saying oh I'm falling because
I'm a little bit. But what happened

851
01:01:44,079 --> 01:01:45,760
to me was if if I was
fifteen, I would have got the same

852
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:53,239
result. Unfortunately, because I actually
the golf course, I wonder what will

853
01:01:53,239 --> 01:01:57,440
happen if another member gets down there
where I was, then tries to walk

854
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:00,840
up that hill and slips. The
result is going to be somewhat because it

855
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:05,639
was just it shouldn't be that steep
anywhere near the green. But that's another

856
01:02:05,719 --> 01:02:07,679
story. I know a lot of
people know how you're get to sue,

857
01:02:07,679 --> 01:02:10,159
and I'm not a suing type,
you know. Just I think I had

858
01:02:10,159 --> 01:02:15,039
that plan for me to teach me
patience because I get a little impatient.

859
01:02:15,719 --> 01:02:22,960
My girlfriend is looking at me and
nodding her head, so anyway, you

860
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,880
know, I have to look at
it as it gave me some time to

861
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:30,519
stop working seven days a week,
and I caught up on every TV show

862
01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:35,559
that exists, for sure, But
that's not something that's not something you want

863
01:02:35,559 --> 01:02:39,159
to brag about. No, it's
just behind me now. And like I

864
01:02:39,199 --> 01:02:45,360
say, once I get to therapy, I'll be I'll be kicking and running

865
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:49,199
again just like I always do,
just like you always do, and dragging

866
01:02:49,239 --> 01:02:53,400
that team with you across the finish
line ahead of everybody else. Hopefully we

867
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:57,960
can keep that up, baby amazing, all right? Tony, Well,

868
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,039
it was great to talk to you
again. Thank you so much for giving

869
01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:05,920
us your time. The Golf Smarter
community loves you, will always love you.

870
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,320
And again, the book and the
DVD, The Loss Fundamental by Tony

871
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:14,159
Manzoni is right here on our website. And I you know, I like

872
01:03:14,239 --> 01:03:16,480
to say this and it's it's hard, but you're not going to find it

873
01:03:16,519 --> 01:03:20,760
anywhere else. Really, you could
look everywhere on the web, you're only

874
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:24,719
going to find it here and so
and that's why you're getting such a you

875
01:03:24,719 --> 01:03:28,800
know, the response from people all
over the world. So well, I

876
01:03:29,199 --> 01:03:36,400
just want to thank everyone listening and
leave them this thought and please continue supporting

877
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,519
Fred. You are the voice of
golf as far as I'm concerned, and

878
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:44,719
I think you're doing a wonderful,
wonderful thing for a lot of people.