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tamp break to save. In the
press espressions, pass expressions, Francis expressions,

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expressions, fans expression that us this
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that us this heavy, that us
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me, ammen, love, look
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send that spending. Cans can send
that spending. All right, Welcome back,

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ladies and gentlemen. This is David
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Logos and today, hey, I
have the Great, the mighty, the

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powerful Jay Dyer with us today.
How you doing today, brother, No,

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great man, thanks for having me
back. Glad to be here.

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Oh man, I'm glad that you're
here. I've I'm a huge fan of

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your work, as you know,
and you've been killing it on the Info

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Wars lately. Oh thanks, I've
been watching your fourth hours and dropping those

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those red pills for the more normy
crowd. We just need you to get

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the the orthodox on Alex Jones,
some of his Christian theology. Yeah,

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I've done a couple of Fourth Hours
where I tried to you know, slip

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in worthoxiology, even did one whole
Fourth Hour on father Suffer Roses nihilism,

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So nobody's really had any problems with
me talking about that stuff. Of course,

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I don't know, you know,
how much of the Fourth Hour Alex

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always sees. I know he watches
some of the installments I do, but

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I don't know if he sees them
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that's up in the air. But
definitely, you know, pray for him.

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And I saw your Rogan stream,
so you know, pray for for

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Rogan too, because you know they
know each other. So hopefully, hopefully

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eventually the you know, the seeds
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in that direction. Amen to that. So today I asked you to come

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on and talk to us about the
Vatican, about Catholicism, and so before

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we dive too deep in any of
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the Pope, we see the Vatican
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things of your contents that you talk
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the great Reset, the really technological
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a little bit on board with this
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some of these evils that it seems
like we're seeing from a sort of,

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as you said, a sort of
spiritual Babylon that we're we're witnessing in the

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Vatican. But before we even get
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you want to, you know,
give insights to people of what we're

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not saying, that we do recognize
the unification of the original Church, that

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we do recognize quote unquote Catholic saints, certain ones aligned with Orthodoxy. And

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just before we even dive into any
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to share with people, like where
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Yeah, that's a great idea.
I think that you know, a lot

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of the debates, a lot of
the apologetics in the last few years has

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got a little nasty because Roman Catholics
are angry at a lot of the stuff

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that we do. You know,
we've seen so many people convert from Rome

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Catholicism to Orthodoxy, so so there's
some sour grapes, some some lemons there

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in terms of attitudes. But uh, you know, from my vantage point,

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I don't have any personal hatred towards
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Roman Catholic Church or anything like that. I oppose them, and particularly you

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know the head of that system and
how he is steering that entity, and

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so really it does come from a
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Roman Catholics. We want them to
be united with us, but we can't

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have a false union, and so
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I think has to come through truth. Right, you can't have unity without

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truth, and you can't have true
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so they're not either ores. And
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we do share commonality the first thousand
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where certainly we would acknowledge many holy
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are popes of Rome, you know, Saint Leo, the great defender of

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the you know, to natures in
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of course many other saints of Rome. So there's nothing inherently wrong with apostolic

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succession or the Apostolic Sea Rome or
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everybody knows, I think in this
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first you know, first thousand years, and there's already the seeds of the

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split between the East and the West
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but the beginning of the split is
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nine hundreds, and then it kind
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in twelve seventy four the Council of
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Council of Florence. Because after the
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in the West, you have the
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the sense of a double hypostatic procession, and then you get the response of

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the Orthodox, which are the Palomite
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those have been received universally throughout the
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the Lent and liturgy we affirmed and
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in Saint Gregor Palomas, So we
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doctrine, given the fact that the
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it very clearly. Sa Grey Palmus
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recently translated into English English called the
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really quells gets rid of any notions
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of, oh, it was just
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mean the same thing. No,
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Grego Palm has meant a very clear
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that the Latin Church is following Satan. There they're Satanic, and he was

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saying that all the way back then. And he also said similar things to

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Barleum in the in the Triads and
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can Dinos that if you follow this
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your group into atheism. And that's
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is go down the course of the
track of atheism. So long story

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short, you know, there's nothing
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false or that you're evil because you're
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And that's what you know, I
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is the system addicts and how the
systems don't work. And when you

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have bad systems, what happens is
that they produce bad results, and they

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can produce civilizationally catastrophic results. And
that's what's happened in the West. Yeah,

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and as Orthodox, I mean,
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father, Saint Maximus the Confessor,
and how he had to appeal to Rome

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during the time that he was living
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on in the East, and it
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again, this is pre schism.
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and where we really see the split
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into the papacy again, unleavened bread, Eucharist, the Holy Roman Empire,

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the alliance with Charlemagne, all this
different stuff where it seems like the things

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get way more political than theological as
history goes on. So thank you for

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beginning there. Now, privately we
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shared with me a news clip about
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in this new what Abrahamic religious center, and it seems like with what's going

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on post Koufid is a new one
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openly wanting to build structures promoting this
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I feel like this is really a
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of the Vatican, because we're going
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but the new one World religion hints
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over multiplicity, ecumenicism, globalism,
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sort of technological one world government that
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And so can you dive into the
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this process actually been moving in this
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sort of figurehead. It seems like
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leader of the new one world religion. I think that's definitely where it could

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go. And I think that there
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Etis would certainly like to be in
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in terms of I think clear indicators
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definitions of Vatican two, and they
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want to say they don't have to
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with full papal authority, it's from
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and morals. That's really all that's
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declaration for a Roman Catholic. And
in fact, I have a whole video

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where I go through four separate documents
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very clear that Vatican two is dogmatic. You do have to accept. There's

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not an optional council for Roman Catholic
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Roman Catholic dogmatic papal statements that affirm
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that out of the way, then
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I don't know if you're familiar with
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more famous Vatican two documents, and
it's the October twenty eighth, nineteen sixty

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five document. It's about five pages, six pages. It's not that long,

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are you familiar with this. No, I'm not too familiar, can

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you. So everybody should be familiar
with this, and everybody should read it

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because it's not very long. And
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the point that we're getting at here, which is that this idea of generic

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theism, that there's a generic,
universal idea of just some God that everybody

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agrees on, and that therefore we
can find paths to unity from that is

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really what undergirds the very thing that
we're looking at with this House of the

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Faith of Abraham or whatever it is. And I sent you a link there.

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There's another there's another proposed version of
this over in Germany. Somebody is

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saying too that there's a there's proposed
versions of this over in the United Arab

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Emirates. And the idea is that, well, we're going to just get

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together under a common banner, not
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Right, So this applying the Resitilian
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idea that, well, don't we
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we all believe in one God,
then we're all on the same page,

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at least as far as that goes, and then we can just consider the

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other stuff like Jesus and Trinity and
resurrect virgin birth. Maybe those are all

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just kind of like add ons,
and they're not the essentials. And this

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lowest common denominator fallacy just keeps getting
whittled down right to where ironically, at

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Vatican two and Nostra Tat I'm going
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the long history to the present day, there is found amongst different peoples a

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certain awareness of some hidden power which
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events of human life. At times
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supreme being, perhaps a father.
This awareness and recognition results in a way

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of life that is imbued with a
deep religious sense. The religions that are

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found in more advanced civilizations endeavor by
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an exact language to answer these questions. Thus Hinduism Hinduism. In Hinduism,

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people explore the divine mystery and express
it in limitless niches ahime me riches

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of myth, and the accurately defined
insights of philosophy. They seek release from

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the trials of the present day and
the ascetical practices profound meditation, and they

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have recourse to God Capital G in
confidence and love. So they're literally said

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is literally saying that Capital G,
the God of Hinduism is the God that

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we all worship. Because they're believing
in a God. There's some supreme God,

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a supreme being, and so the
iron here is that so this is

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equivalent to me equating as long as
I say it's a supreme being, which

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in linguistic philosophy we call that a
non rigid designator. There's a paper that

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Father Diacon and I covered by a
doctor Garibee, which is actually critiquing this

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notion of generic theism, or the
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affirm a God, that they're affirming
the same God. Well, that's actually

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a fallacy, and it's known as
the quantification shift fallacy. And the reason

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it's a fallacy is because it should
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it doesn't equate to the fact that
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affirming, Right. I mean,
I could say there's one God. Another

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guy down the road could say,
oh, there is one God. I

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agree with you, but he means
Satan, right, I'm certain maybe maybe

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he attends the Temple of set Church
or or the Satan. What's the new

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thing that's they've got the abortion ritual
that they're talking about, the Satanic Satanic

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Temple. Yeah, the Satanic Temple, that's it. Yeah, maybe he

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believes that it's Lucifer, that's the
one God. But does it follow from

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the fact that we all believe in
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No. No, And that's what's
known as the quantifier shift fallacy. Other

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examples of this in logic would be
situations where we say something like every woman,

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every girl loves a boy, therefore
every girl loves the same boy.

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Right, Right, everyone is born
of a woman, therefore everyone is born

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of the same woman. Right.
They're obvious fallacies, right, All of

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these religions believe in one God,
therefore they believe in the same God.

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Now, when we come to,
you know, something like the New Testament,

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what's perhaps an example of a religion
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some of the things that we we
would affirm. Maybe they even have a

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lot of the books shared with us. Let's say Judaism. Judaism affirms that

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Father does Jesus say that just affirming
the Father is enough? No? No,

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he says that no one comes to
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the word father. If God's eternally
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he's eternally the father of an eternal
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necessitates and implies the son. Right. So I'm no more joined with that

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religion than I am with an Arian
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Job's witnesses say there's one God.
So are we all on the same team?

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Well, the same Basil didn't think
so. I mean he wrote gigantic

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treat and like spent his whole life
combating the idea that we're all of the

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same faith. Right. And in
fact, if you look at the Niceno

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Constantapolitan Creed, it designates the One
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Christ, and that implies, by
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As the Cappadocians famously said, I
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being the essence of God or the
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quickly bound over to think of the
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of the three without quickly being referred
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equal ultimacy of the one and the
many in the trinity. So there's no

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such thing as kind of picking out
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one lowest common denominator religion. And
if you read the Gharibie paper, he

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points out that if there's a lowest
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in these various so called monotheistic fates
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third other religion. Right, that's
that's not the other three you see,

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And that's all you can. You
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you put, for example, in
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we're gonna list, let's say the
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Orthodoxy, right, so that would
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Virgin birth, C, you know, incarnation, D, resurrection.

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they're in these parentheses A, A, B, C, D,

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E, F Z. Right.
If we take out oh but wait a

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minute, one of those beliefs is
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a you know, G. Well, Jews and Muscles believe that God's on

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thisissance, so they believe G right. But is G the same as the

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set that's up here in the parentheses. No, No, it's not.

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And even if I take elements out
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set is everything in totality. It's
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And this is just logic showing that
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that is the core of these three
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way in logic, in linguistic philosophy
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set merely because there's common things.
Another point, too, is that he

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makes in the Garbye paper and makes
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card games. If I'm playing poker
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Crazy eights, does the fact that
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playing a same game the same game? No? Does the fact that there's

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cards and rules involved mean that there's
actually a common core game that's neither Poker

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nor crazy eights. No, of
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So in other words, this set
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reference in the set. And that's
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systemic thing. And so the word
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as a non rigid designator. And
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not a personal pronoun. It doesn't
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the word God just little case God. It could refer to the person

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of the Father. It could refer
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to divine actions or attributes with the
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Angels are called gods, Elohim,
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to humans. I will make you
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God says to Moses. And it
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could refer to demons, right,
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point here is that it's abatance witch
the fact that the other religions use the

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word God, or the word monotheism, or the word you know, whatever

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that's in common. Will e been
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God, so it's the same God. No, it's not, because the

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rest of the set of beliefs about
our God is just as necessary as any

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single member of the set right.
The Father is just as necessary as Holy

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Spirit. Holy Spirit is just as
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You can't start just subtracting from them. And there's no argument to be made

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for some of God's attributes being more
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go together. It's holistic. You
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and then down the road like Tomism
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tack on virgin birth. No,
no, it all goes together, right,

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it's a set right. Just based
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the sort of manipulation or the word
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there's magical cannontations underneath this. Like
I've spoke before that magic is all about

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the manipulation of language and meaning,
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And I can't help but think when
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know, perennialism itself, this idea
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saying the exact same thing. We
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Spain with the Moorish occupation, where
they allowed for all these mystical traditions to

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study each other and even smoke hashiesh
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right after that we start looking at
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We get the Italian Renaissance, we
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we get Marcillo Ficino, Giovanni,
Pica della Marindola, and we see magic,

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Chaldean oracles, Sufism, Kabbala,
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this sort of new understanding of what
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really gets going, is the thirteenth
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associated with this concept ever since.
Yeah, I was going to bring up

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the Renaissance origins of a human them
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thesis on the real origins of a
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So, for example, if you
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Hoffman shows in that book that the
real origins of the ideas of a common

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root of the religions, a skeletal
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Orthodox, nor Islam nor you know, Judaism, is itself a religious presupposition

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that comes out of philosophical schools.
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and it's an approach as you said, that it gets adopted eventually by

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the perennial schools, which are really
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find the grand ultimate skeletal backbone of
what the world religions are, which are

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just kind of masks. So the
perennialist idea, which again is not new,

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it was already had and seed formed
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by the neoplatonic schools that really influence
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just regurgitating things that had already been
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actually, if you read, for
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a whole chapter on the rejection of
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for example, the visiting Emperor Saint
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down the Platonic Academy and these schools, because what happens is in the sonoticicon

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there's an explicit rejection of Platonism,
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in the chapter that he wrote called
the It's about the humanists, monastics and

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humanists, and so this eventually manifests
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even gets into iconography because the iconoclass
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They all neoplatonic arguments. This comes
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It's repeated in the Alspinsky Treatise with
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Palomos, because pallemism is what undergirds
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is crucial and fundamental to why we
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they use at the Seven Council.
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about the energies being the reason why
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pedagogical and also mystical. I mean, this is why the Saints have a

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golden halo. It's because that's signifying
the uncreated light. Icons themselves are teaching

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the essence energy doctrine. And so
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there's a rejection of that idea of
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and meaning and significance, and there's
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don't do Chinese Jesus because Jesus wasn't
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Charlemagne and after that's when the Western
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liturgical norms and from the Seventh Council. The Romancalolic Church never has really accepted

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the actual teaching of the Seventh Ecumenical
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but for them, oh, that
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and you can do anything. So
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an old man. No, actually, the Seventh Machemical Council says you cannot

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paint God the Father as an old
man. And it says that's a heretical

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and idolatrous notion. No man has
seen the Father at any time, Jesus

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says, and never will because the
only icon of the Father is the person

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of the Son. The hypostasis of
the Son is the only icon of the

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Father. And so there can be
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of the three angels in the you
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a symbols that represent the Trinity.
But we make it very clear if you

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read the later icon count in Moscow, they explicitly know that those icons are

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not portraying the person of the Father, right, any more than the number

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three is like portraying the person of
the Father. It's represents a symbolic it's

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what's called the idos of the icon, but it's not the hypostasis of the

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Father. And that's made very clear
for a reason. Anyway, long story

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short is just that iconography. Orthodox
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these topics, and it is always
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says, the one God is the
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principally right when we begin our Trinitarian
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I believe in one God, the
Father Almighty, right, And then

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yes, I also affirm God from
God like from Light, the Son,

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and the Spirit. Right, So
one God can pick out different things.

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It can mean the person the Father, it can mean the entire triad,

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it can mean the divine essence that
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the attributes or energies that God has, because God is fully present in every

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energy. Sure, but the point
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iconography itself. Right, And this
is another point I'm gonna it's gonna come

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up, I'm sure in the debate
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we'll be debating this very topic.
Is that you know, God for us

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has a specific reference and it means
Trinity. Right. It's it's the persons

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of the Trinity. There's no such
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linguistic philosophy, God is a non
rigid designator doesn't tell you. So you're

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absolutely right that it's a kind of
abate and switch. I don't know how

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self conscious the authors of the Vatican
Two documents actually were, because some of

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this is really dumb, and it's
really low level argumentation like because they pray

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and because they you know, seek
out things in their idolatrous religion, that

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therefore it's the same god as us. I mean, that's just not just

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non sequitors, that it's that it's
our God. And do you think this

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emphasis on, like you said,
the neoplatonic presupposition of the sort of skeletal

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schematical framework of all world religions and
noise comes back to this unknown or transcendent

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one again relates to the ancient Greek
problem of the one in the many and

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this historical prevalence to privilege unity over
multiplicity. And you see this in Tomism,

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you see this in absolute divine simplicity
in which you've talked about, uh,

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you know at nauseum on yours on
your channel. But Orthodoxy doesn't have

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this dialectical tension between multiplicity and unity, and therefore you actually find a balance,

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You actually find a harmony at an
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know, theological level. There's a
balance there. Do you think that this

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has any ties back to absolute divine
simplicity? What absolutely does. And that's

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not anything that I came up with. In fact, countless Orthodox Saints and

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Theolorerogens have been saying this for a
long time. In fact, in the

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little book that's kind of the good
if you want an introduction to this topic

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and what we're talking about here,
don't. I don't affirm everything that that

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this author writes, but this book
is really good and it's called Church Papacy

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Schism by Philip Chrard. And really
the whole thesis of this book is that

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the imbalance and the one the many
is kind of what undergirds the Roman Catholic

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system. So papalism itself never could
have really arisen if the pope didn't kind

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of arrogate himself to the office and
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So it's not accidental that the rise
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Ages is at the same time as
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that and the imbalance that occurs in
the Philioquay doctrine. The Philioquay doctrine creates

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a diad. And again I would
just say read Saint Photias's mystagogy because he

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says improves in you know, about
eighty pages that if you give the power

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in particular property of the person the
father to the son. Now you have

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a father son. Now you have
a diad, right, and that diad

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of father's son which produces the third
person, the father son. There that

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diad actually has the power of producing
a person that the spirit lacks. So

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now, in this silly effort to
try to prove the deity of the Christ

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against arianism, which is kind of
the motivations of why the Philioque was rolled

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out to begin with, which is
all kind of a mistake and a misunderstanding

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anyway, it really has the opposite
effect of subordinating the Spirit. So if

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the Holy Spirit is subordinated in the
life of this institution, which is precisely

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what all of our saints and theologians
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just read the mystagogy of Saint Photius. He said it would do that.

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And then what happens is that now
we need a humanistic role for the

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Holy Spirit embodied in the person of
the Pope. Now the Pope is the

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voice of the Holy Spirit, the
voice of God on earth. It is

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no longer the immediate, innate,
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the Church. It's now an extra
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the bridge of the philioquay now or the

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Holy Spirit comes into the church,
he kind of replaces Christ in the economia.

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And that's the argumentation that that Chirard
makes, which I've always thought was

402
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a really really powerful argument, and
it's and he makes the argument that it's

403
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on the basis of absolute divine simplicity
that this even happened. I mean,

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Photius himself even says this that the
simplicity doctrine that the Cappadocians and the Church

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adopted is not the simplicity doctrine of
the West adopted. And so they even

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noticed that at the time. That's
what undergirds the whole debate of the Phillyoquay,

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at the time of Photius and at
the time of the Council Alliance.

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And when you read the Tomos of
the Palomite Synods and the Palmite theology of

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that time, and they appredictive treat
use of Saint Gregory against the Latins,

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it's all saying what I'm saying.
It's none of this stuff is like me

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making it. So it's just in
these documents, very clear, very lucid

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00:41:01,159 --> 00:41:06,840
logical presentation, by the way,
which should show people that there's nothing antithetical

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to Palainism and apologetics and logic.
I mean he's using Ariscytian logic. That's

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what the appedictic treatise means. Right. So, given the Vaticans theological presupposition

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of absolute divine simplicity, given now
their promotion of this one world religion,

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this perennialistic, this neo potonic theology, how and where do you see the

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tentacles of this merge into Klaus Schwab's
Great Reset. I mean, it seems

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like I don't see any pushback from
the Vatican. I see Vagano speak out

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against a lot of this stuff.
But it seems like Pope Francis is totally

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in step with klau Schwab, totally
in step with the Rothschilds, the Rockefeller

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Foundation, the Fortune five hundred companies, the Warburg's really the CCP. Where

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do you see the bridge of this
presuppositional framework of unity into now the political,

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economic, and actual movements of the
Vatican in the Great Reset in the

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one world global religion and government.
Well, if you look at the famous

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chapter of Dustyevsky which was prophetic.
I mean, Dostiovski's Grand Inquisitor and Brothers

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00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,199
Karamatsa basically tells us this. He
said, you know, one hundred years

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00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:29,679
ago or whatever, that the papacy
would become a gigantic, geopolitical, worldly

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institution to try to solve man's problems
in a humanistic way. And I mean

429
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that's again echoed in Saint Justin Papovitch's
you know book Orthodox Faith in Life in

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Christ, where he basically calls the
papacy the exaltation of man, the worship

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00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,800
of man, it's the great humanistic
institution, again echoing the point of Cherard

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that the pope is really just taking
the place of Christ, taking the place

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of the Holy Spirit. And what
this does is make the Roman Church into

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a a geopolitical corporation, to put
it simply. And I'm not the first

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00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,480
to make this analogy. In fact, you can go back to the Frankish

436
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:15,360
period, and that's precisely when we
started to see these real alterations from the

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Christianity that had been accepted in the
Imperium, So that the Byzantine Imperium had

438
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:27,519
had an emperor, it had a
patriarchal system already canonically approved in multiple ecumenical

439
00:43:27,559 --> 00:43:32,840
councils by that time. And what
happens is that the Carolinian theologians of Charlemagne's

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00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:38,480
court, they specifically did not accept
the seven Ecamitical Council, and to the

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Pope's credit at that time, the
papacy in the days of Charlemagne affirms the

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00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:49,199
seventh Decamitical Council in communion with us. They agree with us, and so.

443
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:57,000
But what happens is that the Carolinian
court is able to through certain maschinations

444
00:43:57,039 --> 00:44:01,280
and through after a couple a decade
or two, if you sent, excuse

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me, a few centuries, you
get what's called the Franco Papal Church.

446
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And that's during this period when the
patrine see moves from Rome to France.

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And then we start to see a
real geopolitical machination. But even in Photius's

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day, sanin Photius was complaining that
Charlemagne had sent missionaries into Bulgarian Orthodox jurisdictions

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to try to convert them to accepting
the Philly Oquay. So the philioquay was

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00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,320
a geopolitical tool, and this is
admitted by multiple scholars now even Roman Catholics,

451
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:35,559
like this is in Cishansky's the Philly
Oqui books. So it's not a

452
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,800
it's not an orthodox reading of history. It's in Roman Catholic theology now too,

453
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:44,159
in history. So he basically sends
missionaries to try to get people to

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00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,199
accept, oh, you don't have
the right creed. You see. See,

455
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if you want to be on the
right page, you got to be

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00:44:50,639 --> 00:44:53,119
you gotta have Charlemagne's creed, you
see. So you see how it's a

457
00:44:53,199 --> 00:44:59,960
geopolitical tool, right, and so
he's converting Orthodox territories over to this fall

458
00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:06,559
false you know, affirmation of an
addition to the creed. And the pope

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00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:10,280
at that sign Leo right had even
stated, no, you can't right change

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00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,639
the creed, so he agreed with
us right at that time. Well,

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00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:22,000
what happens is that eventually the Franco
papal power starts installing people who are geopolitical

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00:45:22,119 --> 00:45:28,360
tools of the Franks. And this
is nobody denies this. I mean,

463
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,679
this is why, this is why
the Sea of Rome is in France for

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00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,039
eighty years. I mean, this
is Avignon papacy, very famous, very

465
00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:37,559
well known. Out of this,
we get three different dudes claiming to be

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the true pope. It's the famous
it's the famous Great Western schism. And

467
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I mean, but I don't think
Roman Catholics understand that when you accept the

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papacy, like you're taking that on, like you're owning that right, that's

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00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,360
part of your thing, and you're
having to admit, yeah, sure that

470
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happened. I don't have a problem
with that, so what. But I

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don't think that they realize that it
was a council, that it's convene to

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00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,519
solve this issue, the Council of
Constance. And then they just turn around

473
00:46:04,559 --> 00:46:07,519
and say, yeah, but of
course councils aren't superior to popes. No,

474
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:10,079
wait a minute, so three rival
popes the issue is solved by a

475
00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:14,639
council deciding which one's pope. But
then also, councils aren't a bove.

476
00:46:14,639 --> 00:46:16,039
But it's just silly, right,
I mean, there's so many examples of

477
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:20,760
this kind of stuff in history,
which one of the key killer examples we'll

478
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,280
get through here in a moment,
which is Constantinople one, the second Ecumenical

479
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:30,000
Council. But I know I'm rambling, but this backstory is necessary to understand

480
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:35,280
how we get to the world where
we are now where the papacy is really

481
00:46:35,559 --> 00:46:39,119
just a geopolitical NGO. The best
way to understand the papacy in terms of

482
00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:46,719
what it really is is an NGO
kind of international corporate mafia at the top.

483
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,400
Okay, not saying everybody in the
Roman County church is part of this,

484
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,239
but this is why we're seeing so
much corruption in the Vatican Bank for

485
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:59,800
so many years, so much corruption
in terms of the pedo scandals that everybody

486
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:01,440
knows is all about. In fact, they just a lot of it.

487
00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:07,519
Roman Catholics are coping about the recent
French report that was released by the French

488
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:12,239
bishops. So that wasn't They're all
saying, there's the liberal media, the

489
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,760
liberal media, liberal media. No, it's your own bishops that really start

490
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,719
import Dude, it's not the liberal
media. I mean, how long are

491
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,280
they going to keep buying it?
It was just the liberal media, liberal

492
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,480
media. No, it's real corruption
in that church. The other one is

493
00:47:24,559 --> 00:47:29,559
I've noticed lately on the Catholics they
want to point to American public school systems

494
00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:32,440
that it's way worse than the church
and that this is just a pr stunt

495
00:47:32,519 --> 00:47:37,960
to make the church look bad,
which is laughable at best. Well,

496
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:44,360
the bishop's report out of France was
what two hundred thousand victims in the last

497
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:50,480
sixty years, two hundred thousand from
the Catholic bishops of France. That's not

498
00:47:50,679 --> 00:47:54,039
from the Boston Globe or the Washington
Post. Okay, that's not from liberal

499
00:47:54,239 --> 00:48:04,519
entities. But that's just an example
of how like the hamster wheel of justification,

500
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,199
rationalization, and coping that goes on
when you talk about this stuff is

501
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:13,239
just kind of mind boggling. And
it's really because that is I genuinely believe

502
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,880
it's a system of dead works that
Paul talks about that doesn't actually have the

503
00:48:17,039 --> 00:48:20,760
power. Right. So Paul says, in the Last Times, you will

504
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,400
notice there will be a kind of
fake church that has the appearance of guidliness

505
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:30,079
but lacks the power thereof and is
characterized by dead works. And I can't

506
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:34,960
think of any better system that exemplifies
that than the Roman Catholic system, where

507
00:48:35,079 --> 00:48:39,679
it's literally a denial of uncreated grace, literally the denial of the direct perception

508
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,000
of God through the news. I
mean, they don't have a news doctrine,

509
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,199
so how are they going to have
uncreated grace and the direct perception?

510
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,840
But they don't. It's explicitly rejected
for a long time. So and that

511
00:48:50,199 --> 00:48:54,599
is all yes, because of heretical
trinitarian theology. They went heterodox a thousand

512
00:48:54,679 --> 00:48:59,760
years ago, and Photius was right
all along. And the mere fact that

513
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:04,599
the the Roman system has it's it
morphs and changes. That's the amazing thing

514
00:49:04,679 --> 00:49:09,360
here is that uh it had They
had this ability to appeal to truths and

515
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:14,519
falsees at the same time and morphed
the position. And no better example this

516
00:49:14,679 --> 00:49:17,920
than you know, if you look
at the landscape of Roman Catholicism, a

517
00:49:19,039 --> 00:49:22,800
Roman Catholic can in his own mind
basically construct what the church is right.

518
00:49:23,159 --> 00:49:27,480
And you can have a guy over
here who's a trad who for him,

519
00:49:27,519 --> 00:49:31,400
the Roman Catholic Church is the Urban
the second calling the Crusades against Islam,

520
00:49:31,559 --> 00:49:35,840
right, that's the Roman falsism,
That's what I believe in. And then

521
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,960
you have another dude over here who's
like, you know, uh, father

522
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:44,360
Bruce, and for him, Roman
Catholicism is uh mother Teresa going and praying

523
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,320
in Buddhist temples, which she did, by the way, So what a

524
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,639
which which is it? Is?
It? Is it? Francis and Benedict

525
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,519
praying in the mosque towards Mecca.
Is that authentic Roman Catholicism or is it

526
00:49:54,639 --> 00:49:59,920
crusades against Islam in the Middle Ages. Well, the thing about Romeantholicism,

527
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:01,039
you can make it whatever you want, right, it can be all of

528
00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:06,039
these things and none of these things, because it's a system that lends itself

529
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:12,880
to that malleability under the superstructure of
the appearance of dogma. But even when

530
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,960
we get to that, we actually
find out that the Roman Catholic as an

531
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,599
individual is in no better position than
anyone else. They're always saying, you

532
00:50:19,679 --> 00:50:21,840
don't have a way to know the
dogmas. You don't have a no way

533
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,440
to know what's true and false.
You don't know what the dogmas are.

534
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:29,440
They're in the exact same existential position
as anyone else, Protestant or Orthodox.

535
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:36,599
Because I've got right here gigantic tones
of Catholic theologies, specifically the papal stuff

536
00:50:36,639 --> 00:50:43,239
over there, thousands of pages of
papal teaching. As an individual Roman Catholic,

537
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,360
how are you in any better position? Since I mean, I've got

538
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:50,400
my stack over here of church fathers
and councils, You got your stack over

539
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,360
here of papal teachings, how do
you, as an individual Catholic know for

540
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:59,559
sure that you're reading through the gigantic
thousands of pages of papal documents and interpreting

541
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:04,159
it correct and correctly, parceling out
which ones are authoritative and which ones are

542
00:51:04,199 --> 00:51:08,039
not right, You're not in any
better position. So the very thing that

543
00:51:08,119 --> 00:51:13,039
the whole office of the papers are
supposed to solve, which is having certitude

544
00:51:13,079 --> 00:51:16,079
and authority over disputes, doesn't actually
work. Look at the world of Roman

545
00:51:16,119 --> 00:51:22,039
Policism now, they've been in seventy
years of confusion and disarray. They can't

546
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:24,440
tell you what the dogmas are.
They don't know if Vatican two is dogmatic.

547
00:51:24,639 --> 00:51:28,199
They all disagree with one another more
than the Roman, more than the

548
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,840
Orthodox, or more than Protestant.
They are like Protestants basically. I mean,

549
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:35,679
I could go down the road and
in one city we're supposed to it's

550
00:51:35,679 --> 00:51:38,559
supposed to be so easy to identify
the Roman Catholic Church. I can find

551
00:51:38,639 --> 00:51:44,320
five different chapels that all disagree and
aren't in communion or don't know. But

552
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:50,679
what Vatican two is in the actual
like you know, hard city examples.

553
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,360
Down the road, there's an SSPX
chapel, an FSSP chapel, A set

554
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:59,079
of a contest chapel, A Novasorto
chapel. Right, and these all disagree

555
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,880
and all things the other ones are
stupid heretics. And we see now that

556
00:52:02,199 --> 00:52:07,440
Pope Frank is actively trying to suppress
the trad Latin Mass, which again,

557
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:15,880
even despite all the things that you
said, any any sort of remnants of

558
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,880
an older Catholicism would be president in
the trade Latin Mass. They're trying to

559
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,119
get rid of it. And that
this spirit of innovation, the spirit of

560
00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:28,400
almost progressive revelation that you see the
Vatican and the Papacy promote. You know,

561
00:52:28,519 --> 00:52:32,000
I can't help but think about you
know, this was a major influential

562
00:52:32,039 --> 00:52:38,519
book on me, was God History
and Dialectic and seeing how Rome is the

563
00:52:38,639 --> 00:52:45,599
continuation of the Greco Roman philosophical political
empire, and that you can look at

564
00:52:45,679 --> 00:52:50,360
the statuary, you can look at
the dialectical tensions within their theology. You

565
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:55,400
can look at well their marianology which
looks very similar to Pagan Venus worship and

566
00:52:55,480 --> 00:53:00,599
various stuff like that. That the
establishment of the papacy as this central figure

567
00:53:00,679 --> 00:53:06,159
is really a movement back to Caesar
himself. That somehow there's this god man

568
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,719
who's also a sort of political theological
figure. I mean, in my mind,

569
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:15,320
this is the papacy. And so
then the papacy being a sort of

570
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:20,840
you know, Roman Empire two point
zero wants post schism, and it's in

571
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:25,360
its attempt to establish the Holy Roman
Empire, which exactly is what I'm claiming,

572
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:29,920
that it is the sort of Roman
Empire two point oh. That no

573
00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:36,400
wonder, it's this worldly you know, this worldly process to help humanity that

574
00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:42,159
to you know, it's a progressive. It's a humanistic institution that's totally atheistic

575
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,480
now and it's an ng oh.
It really is an n g oh,

576
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,280
it really is. And you can
see it. And Pope Francis's support of

577
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,840
mass migration that the same Catholic country
is that he's this, he's the vicar

578
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:57,880
of he's the steward of these of
his Catholic flock. Well, he's okay

579
00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:01,760
with all the Muslim migrants of Northern
af Africa, flood France, flood Germany,

580
00:54:02,119 --> 00:54:06,199
you know, flood Spain. It's
totally fine, you know, we

581
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:10,639
need more refugees in Italy. That
he is totally on board with all the

582
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:15,840
subversive NGOs in the world as of
right now. Anyways, Yeah, and

583
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:20,679
I would add that, you know, this has been known and written about

584
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,679
by Roman Catholics themselves for a long
time. So I don't know how many

585
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:28,199
times I have to tell the Roman
Catholics to go read your own trads.

586
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,039
I mean, one of the best
examples of this as I lectured through and

587
00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:36,199
talked about this entire eight hundred page
book for many years. It's almost as

588
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,639
important, you know, as a
book like Tragy and Hope, and that's

589
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:45,079
John Courtney Murray Timelife magazine and the
American proposition how the CIA's doctrinal warfare program

590
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:49,599
changed the Roman Catholic Church. And
so basically wim Hoff proves in about eight

591
00:54:49,679 --> 00:54:53,199
hundred pages and in about you know, a thousand plus footnotes as a trad

592
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:57,159
Catholic himself. By the ways,
he's not an Orthodox person. He's not

593
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,559
some you know, crazy conspiracy there
is. He's a lawyer who's documented in

594
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:07,559
extreme detail, you know, the
history of the Roman Catholic Church's subversion.

595
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:13,320
I'm saying, the institution being subverted, them being subverted in the twentieth century.

596
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,480
So this is not It does deal
a lot with with theology, but

597
00:55:15,639 --> 00:55:22,119
it's more so a geopolitical analysis of
what happened in the twentieth century from the

598
00:55:22,199 --> 00:55:27,119
vantage point of intelligence analysis. So
how did this institution become an NGO to

599
00:55:27,199 --> 00:55:30,000
basically promote the interests of the elite
in America and in the West. And

600
00:55:30,079 --> 00:55:35,320
that's precisely what happened. And of
course he takes key figures like John Courtney

601
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:39,719
Murray who famously was allied with CD
Jackson in this creation of the doctrinal Warfare

602
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:45,920
program, which was the CIA's Cold
War program, to use all institutions,

603
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:49,000
not just the Roman Cality Church,
but mainly the Roman Calloity Church and Protestants

604
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:53,480
and Orthodox as well as a means
for geopolitical promotion of Americanism. And this

605
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:58,119
is the Americanism of you know,
the Four Freedoms and all this kind of

606
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:05,679
propaganda maloney, which is really just
monetorism and consumerism right, neoliberalism right right,

607
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:10,280
and so attaching neoliberalism and consumerism and
all of the other isms and leftisms

608
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:15,360
to Americanism and basically making the churches
in the West, the churches in the

609
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:22,079
USA, tools of the for lack
of better for the deep stay. Really,

610
00:56:22,119 --> 00:56:23,519
I mean that's that's what it amounts
to. In fact, the book

611
00:56:23,559 --> 00:56:28,800
even details you know, a lot
of the Rockefeller Foundation people and even rock

612
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,800
Filler himself meeting with the papacy meeting
with people from the church saying we want

613
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:37,360
to fund you know, liberals and
radicals like John Courtney Murray to go into

614
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:42,599
the Vatican too, to make sure
that documents like sante get you know,

615
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:47,079
passed, because documents like no stant
really aid in making the church into an

616
00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:52,000
ecumenist institution. And that's why acumenism
itself is actually a Rockefeller project. They

617
00:56:52,039 --> 00:56:57,440
were putting money into ecumenism long before
Batticantu, way back in the thirties,

618
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,639
forties, fifties. I've detailed this
in my lecture on the history of the

619
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:04,920
rock Killer family. They write books
talking about it. It's it's not hard

620
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:09,519
to figure out, and it's easy
to see why because when you because what

621
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:15,360
monetarism, what capitalism, neoliberalism does
is it wants to promote the idea of

622
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:21,800
lowest common denominator right, to push
the product right. What's the easiest way

623
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,159
to sell this idea? What's the
easiest way to sell Americanism, to sell

624
00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:29,679
consumerism, to sell quantifications, that
are all these ideas that are bound up

625
00:57:29,719 --> 00:57:32,159
in that philosophy. Well, lowest
common denominator, right, what's the easiest,

626
00:57:32,159 --> 00:57:37,119
simplest way to package this? Right? And that LCD the lowest common

627
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:45,239
denominator approach, which is basically just
neoliberalism applied to religion. So ecumenism is

628
00:57:45,159 --> 00:57:51,920
neoliberal economic theory applied to religion as
a tool of control. What's the easiest

629
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,480
way to get people funneled into this
thing that I, as a zillionaire run

630
00:57:54,599 --> 00:57:59,920
fund and control. That's what is
going on, and that's why France,

631
00:58:00,119 --> 00:58:04,519
this is really just a tool of
the power elite, the global elite,

632
00:58:04,599 --> 00:58:07,440
the banking elite, the corporate elite. Hence why he goes and meets with

633
00:58:07,639 --> 00:58:10,000
Lynn Forrester, to Rawchild, and
so why he meets with all the World

634
00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:15,239
Economic Forum people to promote to promote
what he calls, uh, what's the

635
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:20,840
word they use? Something capitalism.
My mind's going like right now, it's

636
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:25,440
a new type of capitalism that's like
the socially conscious. Yeah, socially conscious

637
00:58:25,519 --> 00:58:29,280
whatever he called it. I'm sure
somebody in the chat will remember, But

638
00:58:29,639 --> 00:58:32,800
that's been I mean, that's showing
that he's allied with these global entities really

639
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:38,639
to just promote the next instantiation,
the next phase of what in nineteen sixty

640
00:58:38,719 --> 00:58:42,719
five was still very revolutionary. So
you go read the documents Vatican do,

641
00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:46,199
and it's saying that, you know, the Romaic Collay Church is now accepted

642
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:52,000
religious freedom, which they had previously
condemned in multiple papal encyclicals for many centuries

643
00:58:52,119 --> 00:58:55,679
as a heresy of the Protestants,
right, I mean, luther is condemned

644
00:58:57,079 --> 00:59:02,039
for promoting religious liberty. Vatican too
now accepts it as dogma. And there's

645
00:59:02,119 --> 00:59:06,400
many other things you could go read
in cyclicals like Marai Vos. You could

646
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:10,960
read Mortalium Animos, and I always
recommend Catholics reading Mortalium animals because Pius eleven

647
00:59:12,039 --> 00:59:17,159
specifically says interfaith gatherings, the humanist
prayer meetings, et cetera, are apostasy.

648
00:59:19,559 --> 00:59:22,159
So in nineteen twenty eight he can
write in a cyclical that is universal,

649
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,119
ordinary, magisterian for the whole church, it's dealing with faith in morals,

650
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:30,159
and he can say that it's apostasy, and then in a few decades

651
00:59:30,239 --> 00:59:34,400
the actions of praying with all the
world religions is now affirmed as the work

652
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,480
of the Holy Spirit. So literally, the Holy Spirit flips like he changes

653
00:59:37,559 --> 00:59:40,679
his mind from nineteen twenty eight to
nineteen sixty five, and it's exact opposite.

654
00:59:40,719 --> 00:59:43,639
Oh no, it's not apostle anymore. Now, it's good to do

655
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:47,639
that. And that shows you that
the whole Roman system has always been an

656
00:59:47,679 --> 00:59:53,760
amorphous, evolving innovation that just adapts
to the times. And is the anti

657
00:59:53,880 --> 01:00:00,320
church right? No? And so
that leads me to ask you how much

658
01:00:00,599 --> 01:00:05,320
power does the Vatican have? Because
given everything that we're talking about, and

659
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:09,039
it being in lockstep with things like
the Rockefeller Foundation, the Rothschilds, the

660
01:00:09,079 --> 01:00:15,360
Fortune five hundred, you know,
you hear all the people speculating, Oh,

661
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:19,840
well, it's the Vatican that rules
the world. It's the Vatican Bank.

662
01:00:20,039 --> 01:00:22,719
No, it's the CCP. No, it's the globalist, it's the

663
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:28,719
deep state. Where do you use
what is the power of the Vatican?

664
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:35,039
Is the Vatican sort of follower of
the the you know, the real billionaire

665
01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:38,360
elite that the globalist elite that rule
the world. Are they a follower of

666
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:43,679
this process? Are they a sort
of partner in the sense that they have

667
01:00:44,639 --> 01:00:47,199
comparable power, but they have different
objectives and they're going because I feel like

668
01:00:47,239 --> 01:00:52,079
that's kind of the CCP. The
CCP is going along with the global reset

669
01:00:52,159 --> 01:00:57,519
because well, they have similar objectives, but they have also very different objectives,

670
01:00:57,559 --> 01:01:00,280
and so they're not in lockstep with
the global elite. How do you

671
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:05,159
see the Vatican and Catholicism globally speaking, and really the attempt for the new

672
01:01:05,199 --> 01:01:08,039
one world religion? Where does this
fit into the billionaire global elite, the

673
01:01:08,119 --> 01:01:14,000
CCP, all the conspiracy theories of
who runs the world? Are they a

674
01:01:14,079 --> 01:01:19,880
follower? Are they do they have
do they wield real power? I would

675
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:24,800
say that they are a partner in
globalism and they do have a lot of

676
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:30,639
power, but maybe not the type
of power of the actual kind of inner

677
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:35,480
deep state. In other words,
it was the Western elite deep state that

678
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:42,239
actually subverted and captured the office of
the papacy in the last decade or seem

679
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:46,559
in the last century. So the
twentieth century is really the Western elite capturing

680
01:01:46,599 --> 01:01:50,480
the office of the papacy. I
think the office of the papacy was already

681
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:54,039
corrupt, was already teaching bad doctrines, but they might have had a degree

682
01:01:54,119 --> 01:01:58,840
of sort of independence maybe one hundred
two hundred years ago. For example,

683
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:00,639
you know, if you go back
to Lee of the thirteenth I mean he

684
01:02:00,719 --> 01:02:06,920
wrote famous and cyclicals condemning freemasonry,
being very open, you know, about

685
01:02:07,119 --> 01:02:14,159
the opposition to the forces of revolutionary
philosophy, the forces of atheism and materialism.

686
01:02:14,239 --> 01:02:17,639
So there were still kind of the
remnants of the office of you know,

687
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:22,159
combating errors in heresy back in the
days of leeld the thirteenth. But

688
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,800
I think by the time we get
up into the twentieth century, when we

689
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:30,840
get into you know, what wim
Hoff is detailing in his book, that's

690
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:35,760
where we can definitely say that the
Romancolic Church is a captured institution from the

691
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,840
top. Again, doesn't mean that
at the you know level of a beganu

692
01:02:39,239 --> 01:02:44,320
or these different people, you know, different trads. There aren't sincere you

693
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,559
know, anti nWo people. But
it's just beyond any shadow of a doubt

694
01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:54,039
of anybody with intellectual honesty, especially
during the reign of Francis, which I've

695
01:02:54,039 --> 01:02:58,400
watched very closely. I mean I've
been you know, very interested in the

696
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:01,719
Romecalolic worlds since two thousand three four. So I was I was there at

697
01:03:01,719 --> 01:03:05,719
the tom of John Paul, I
was there for the whole period of Benedict

698
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:13,000
I saw that, and I've watched
you know, the Francis conundrum catastrophe very

699
01:03:13,039 --> 01:03:20,880
closely as well. And what is
clear is that it's basically it does wield

700
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:24,239
power in the sense that it's a
gigantic institution and has a lot of sway.

701
01:03:25,559 --> 01:03:30,480
But in another sense, it's not
like the papacy itself has a tremendous

702
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:36,800
amount of power in the geopolitical sphere
because they themselves are I think captives of

703
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,800
the Western power elite. They were
captured a long time ago. Avatican two

704
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:46,719
is really really a concession to Americanism
and a surrendering to the power elite of

705
01:03:47,239 --> 01:03:53,119
the American imperium, which is not
Americans. It's right international we as Americans

706
01:03:53,119 --> 01:03:58,920
are ruled by Yeah, exactly right. So the papacy, unfortunately, is

707
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:03,079
just an instant an arm of that
apparatus. And I don't I don't think

708
01:04:03,119 --> 01:04:05,920
that, like the Jesuits don't run
the world, they're also an arm of

709
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:10,760
this apparatus. The Jesuits are a
big part of again. John Courtney Murray

710
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:14,159
is a Jesuit. He was one
of the people who helped pass Vatican too.

711
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:17,719
He's one of the guys who helped
get no stratat in these different you

712
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:24,760
know, just horrendous documents passed which
are duping all these people into thinking that,

713
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:28,000
you know, all the world religions
are just on a scale of being

714
01:04:28,119 --> 01:04:30,679
in a continuum. We all worship
the same God, it's all the same.

715
01:04:30,039 --> 01:04:35,480
That's just funneling people into what could
be this emerging new world religion of

716
01:04:35,679 --> 01:04:39,800
the you know, a Brahmic face. And if you read for Telly Twody,

717
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:45,480
I mean we pointed this out that
Francis was intentionally putting non denominational,

718
01:04:45,519 --> 01:04:49,719
anti Trinitarian prayers into the encyclical because
what they want to do is have the

719
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:56,079
world religions on a kind of a
concentric circle scale to where we're all part

720
01:04:56,079 --> 01:05:00,159
of the same system. But really
the papacy is like the key hole d

721
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,320
the petrine office, not just of
Rome or Christianity, but of all the

722
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:05,360
world religions. You see, so
you're you're a Hindo, You're just kind

723
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:10,880
of Hindus are just kind of outer
further on the scale from the Muslim,

724
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:15,800
and the Muslim is is outer,
it's closer than the non denominational Protestant.

725
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:19,280
And then the anomeni Protestant is a
little closer, a little further out than

726
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:23,679
the Anglican, and then then you
get closer in with the Orthodox, and

727
01:05:23,719 --> 01:05:27,199
then you get the Roman Catholic.
Right, So it's like this this concentric

728
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:30,920
circles of the world religions that you
know, which is of self absurd,

729
01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:33,519
right, I mean again, which
everything that we've said, like in the

730
01:05:33,559 --> 01:05:38,519
first hour, dealing with the fact
that logically speaking, you can show that

731
01:05:39,079 --> 01:05:43,960
there's no commonality you know, quantifier
shift fallacy just because they use the same

732
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:48,480
word God any more than you know, uh, I'm worshiping the you know,

733
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:53,880
same deity as the scientologists because they
believe in one deity. It's just

734
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:58,760
ridiculous speak a little bit. Then
to the you talk about it's essentially a

735
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,719
sort of subverted intitution at the very
top. You know, people speculate,

736
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,719
well, this is because the Freemasons. The Freemason said they're going to take

737
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:09,000
over the Vatican a long time ago, and they've been slowly infiltrating it.

738
01:06:09,719 --> 01:06:13,159
As you said, people say,
no, it's a Jesuit conspiracy withinside the

739
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:18,920
church. But the sort of liberation
theolod Well that has it has Communist Marxist

740
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:27,719
tendencies talk about. Then what even
the Lavender mafia talk about the subversion of

741
01:06:28,159 --> 01:06:30,519
the Catholic Church. How did this
elite, the sort of top of this

742
01:06:30,679 --> 01:06:36,320
pyramid within the Catholic Church become subverted. Well, again, I would say

743
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:42,440
one of the clues to this would
be the writings of the popes themselves about

744
01:06:42,639 --> 01:06:47,719
masonry and about revolutionary philosophies. If
you go and you read Gregory the sixteenth

745
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:51,519
or seventeenth was the first pope back
on the seventeen hundreds to write the first

746
01:06:51,639 --> 01:06:58,039
encyclical against freemasonry. There's a whole
list of these multiple condinations from the Holy

747
01:06:58,119 --> 01:07:00,360
Office. You can come all the
way up to Leo the thirteenth where again

748
01:07:00,519 --> 01:07:08,840
he wrote Humanum Janus where he was
condemning freemasonry. You know, pretty strongly.

749
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:15,079
This is the you know, late
eighteen hundreds, and they correctly saw

750
01:07:15,239 --> 01:07:21,719
that the philosophy of masonry is a
revolutionary philosophy that ultimately gives way to technocracy.

751
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:26,400
I mean, we think of some
of the key revolutionary philosophers. We've

752
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:30,039
got Voltaire, We've got Saint Simon, we've got Goskomped. These are all

753
01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:33,239
people who are in the circles of
what those encyclicals are condemning, and so

754
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:38,880
they are. The thirteenth, for
example, calls Masonry organized naturalism, which

755
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:45,559
is just to replace religion with the
processes of natural science. So scientism revolutionary

756
01:07:45,639 --> 01:07:51,719
technocracy is what is ultimately being kind
of targeted there, and so the Lodges

757
01:07:53,440 --> 01:08:00,159
have always been promoters of scientism and
political revolution. This is why we don't

758
01:08:00,159 --> 01:08:03,599
live in our monarchies anymore. Why
the world, except for the British monarchy,

759
01:08:03,639 --> 01:08:08,559
which is itself a Masonic monarchy,
all the monarchies have been toppled and

760
01:08:08,639 --> 01:08:13,960
what we live under is these democratic
republics because that is the free Masonic philosophy.

761
01:08:14,599 --> 01:08:20,119
And also part of that philosophy is
scientism. You know, actually Masonry

762
01:08:20,239 --> 01:08:27,960
can can encompass either Marxism, socialism, or capitalism. They're all equally fully

763
01:08:28,119 --> 01:08:33,600
masonically compatible, and Freemasons have been
all the above. And that's because the

764
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:36,359
end goal is none of those things, right. The end goal for those

765
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:44,239
systems is the sort of Luciferian final
system or the final stage of whatever their

766
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,920
technocratic utopia type system is, which
is transhumanism, et cetera. This is

767
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:56,720
why, you know, Huxley basically
says that the technocracy of it's what the

768
01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:01,600
revolutionaries of the philosos the illuminous,
the vice shop, right, Jacobin,

769
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:09,279
this is what they were really after
the whole time was this future technocratic utopia,

770
01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:14,680
dystopia, and it's the overthrowing of
thrown in altar. Right. The

771
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:19,239
fundamental element of Masonic oaths and rituals
at a certain point in terms of the

772
01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:23,960
philosophy is the attitude the outlook is
to get rid of throne and altered,

773
01:09:24,239 --> 01:09:30,720
so church and state out of there
and we get the revolutionary democratic republic,

774
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:34,119
right, which is run by the
you know, Elita, the techlocrats,

775
01:09:34,199 --> 01:09:40,960
right that they become the new priests
class basically right. So there's a long

776
01:09:41,159 --> 01:09:45,640
history of that that's been going on. That's what undergirds the Masonic you know,

777
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:51,399
papal war. But exactly what date
I don't know. It doesn't really

778
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:59,399
matter because most whether it was Benedict
the fifteenth for example, who affirmed the

779
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:02,239
United Dates or Askum the leg of
Nations, so we already had been to

780
01:10:02,319 --> 01:10:09,239
fifteenth uh famously affirming and supporting the
League of Nations, which is bizarre to

781
01:10:09,359 --> 01:10:12,319
me. While he would do that
very possible, very possible, it was

782
01:10:12,359 --> 01:10:16,119
already subverted at that time. Maybe
we could even point to Pious the Ninth

783
01:10:16,159 --> 01:10:18,880
and Vatican One. I mean,
he's the one that you know, is

784
01:10:19,079 --> 01:10:25,479
confirming and affirming total papal supremacy.
So maybe even Vatican One is the point

785
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:31,319
of subversion and the anti price system
in the Church. And in fact,

786
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:36,560
Pious the Ninth himself was for a
while a part of the revolutionary philosophy.

787
01:10:38,279 --> 01:10:41,720
He was one of the young Italian
revolutionaries. And then he later becomes the

788
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:46,359
Pope and he gets locked in the
Vatican for a while when when when it's

789
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:51,039
besieged by revolutionaries, which are Masonic
revolutionaries, so he's like, actually he's

790
01:10:51,039 --> 01:10:55,399
actually under house arrest in the Vatican
for a while. And then supposedly that's

791
01:10:55,399 --> 01:10:57,960
when he realizes, Okay, maybe
the revolution is not a good idea.

792
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,840
They're gonna they're gonna come behead the
pope. They're not my friend. Uh,

793
01:11:01,199 --> 01:11:04,399
and so he has this change of
hearts, supposedly, and then he

794
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:10,199
you know, then Vatican won and
all this, and so whether what this

795
01:11:10,319 --> 01:11:13,520
specific date is, it doesn't really
matter. And really, again, you

796
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:16,239
can go back, like you said
to you can go back to the Borges

797
01:11:16,279 --> 01:11:21,239
and Medichi's, the extremely corrupt papacy, Alexander the sixth they were all a

798
01:11:21,359 --> 01:11:25,479
humanists, they were all, you
know, Platonists, probably didn't even believe

799
01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:30,520
the religion at all. Yeah,
and and and you know, you can

800
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:34,439
go back for the probably to Charlemagne
and the period win the papacy begins to

801
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:39,680
be not in Charlotte's day that there
was a good pope at that time,

802
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:43,760
but after that is when you start
getting the co opting of the office.

803
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,439
And so it's anybody's guess exactly when
this happened. But you know, we

804
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:50,640
can look to the Vatican bank scandals
of the last sixty years, the p

805
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:58,039
two, the p T Lodge,
Bishop Marcinkush, the famous hanging of the

806
01:11:58,239 --> 01:12:01,560
vivirtual Kylbi, the Vatican banker,
to the Black pars Bridge him being murdered

807
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:04,920
by the mafia. I mean,
all of that is also another indicator of

808
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:11,720
clearly at that point right when we're
getting into the fifties the sixties, because

809
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:15,760
it really the visible change is John
the twenty third, because pie is the

810
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:20,039
twelfth still had the remnants of some
traditional ideas of the papacy, although he

811
01:12:20,199 --> 01:12:26,920
did write the encyclical that allows for
Catholics to accept the theistic evolution. So

812
01:12:27,279 --> 01:12:30,800
in that sense you could say he
was a revolutionary too. But John the

813
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,840
twenty third is who is the first
modernist pope? Right, He writes Pacham

814
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:41,800
and teras calling for global economic interest, for a global monitoring of the economy.

815
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:45,960
You know, this kind of Ulien
type stuff from John the twenty third.

816
01:12:45,359 --> 01:12:50,119
John twenty third is the first to
invite Protestants to come to the Vatican

817
01:12:50,199 --> 01:12:56,000
to pray, to do these sort
of acumenist type meetings that didn't involved prayer.

818
01:12:57,039 --> 01:13:00,800
That was very revolutionary. He's the
first to invite Communists to the again

819
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:08,199
very revolutionary. John twenty third of
course calls Vatican two right, So at

820
01:13:08,279 --> 01:13:11,800
least to public appearances, it's really
John the twenty third is the first.

821
01:13:12,279 --> 01:13:15,840
And there's a lot of rumors that
he was involved in freemasonry and rosecution.

822
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:17,479
I don't know that's true. I
don't really need to know if that's true,

823
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:20,640
because I can tell by his public
actions and what he's doing a Vatican

824
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:25,680
two and what he's promoting right where
he stands, right, I don't have

825
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:29,680
to know his motives. I don't
have to know, you know, if

826
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:32,359
he's promoting no stratat in this kind
of bullshit, then I know he's a

827
01:13:32,399 --> 01:13:35,880
bad guy. So speak again with
what you know. Recently, I saw

828
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:41,840
there was some priests, Catholic priests
in Italy that got arrested or there was

829
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:45,960
some type of reprimmendation for them having
gay orgies and buying drugs with church money,

830
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:54,640
and the whole lavender mafia, the
sort of gay cardinal secret cult inside

831
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:57,199
the Vatican. Are you familiar with
this? Have you heard about this?

832
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:01,560
There's been multiple books written over this
is another This is just another daily news

833
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:06,439
cycle for the Vatican. I mean
that's I mean, over the last fifteen

834
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:12,560
years, I've heard countless versions of
this story. So this is just another

835
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:15,239
day, just another day in Rome, right, I mean walking to a

836
01:14:15,319 --> 01:14:18,319
jesuit. And he was very open
that it's kind of a you know,

837
01:14:18,399 --> 01:14:24,119
it's not uncommon for seminarians to sleep
with priests, and that this was a

838
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:28,359
sort of unspoken thing that he is
as well known. Yeah, this was

839
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:31,319
a There are whole books written on
this. Michael Rose has a book Goodbye

840
01:14:31,399 --> 01:14:38,680
good Men, just about this issue
in the last at least since Vatican two

841
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:43,920
or since the seventies of how this
is like most of the Roman Catholic clergy.

842
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:45,520
I don't think people understand this.
I had a good trad friend for

843
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:53,920
many years and we were having discussion
about the various studies that have been done

844
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:59,359
about, you know, sexual preferences
amongst from Catholic clerics, and somebody had

845
01:14:59,399 --> 01:15:02,720
said, oh, the the public
numbers or something like forty or fifty percent,

846
01:15:03,119 --> 01:15:10,560
right being skittles. And one of
my good, very active Catholic friends

847
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,520
at the time was like, no, it's more like seventy right. I

848
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:15,079
mean a lot of those people weren't
telling the truth, and I think that

849
01:15:15,199 --> 01:15:19,479
it probably is sixty to seventy percent
would be my guests are skittles. And

850
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:26,760
I've known seminarians who had to leave
various seminaries because they were expected to have

851
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:32,119
those kinds of relations with the rectors
and with the bishops. Yeah, so

852
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:38,199
that's well known. I mean,
in fact, entire orders are are skittles

853
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:43,680
and people. Everybody knows this.
Yeah. Yeah, it's really sad to

854
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:46,960
see. And you can so the
sexual degeneracy and then the promotion of the

855
01:15:47,079 --> 01:15:53,399
sort of the global research I mean
to me as an Orthodox where morality dictates

856
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:58,800
the cleanliness of one's noetic perception of
reality itself. That it all goes together,

857
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:02,880
the sexual degeneracy of the global warming, the global reset, the mass

858
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:09,039
migration. It's all one thing.
And I think we should point out too.

859
01:16:09,079 --> 01:16:11,279
But yeah, because at a certain
point, because a lot of Roman

860
01:16:11,319 --> 01:16:13,840
Catholics are going to say, dude, you guys have sat you have you

861
01:16:14,039 --> 01:16:16,479
guys have problems, you guys have
skills. People, Hey, and the

862
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:23,199
the argument is not orthodoxy is true
because you have those problems. Nobody's making

863
01:16:23,319 --> 01:16:27,399
that argument. Nobody would be so
foolish as to say that. Uh.

864
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,960
And nobody's saying, oh, orthodoxy
is spot. We don't have any acumenists,

865
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:33,119
we don't have any No, no, no, that's not the point.

866
01:16:33,199 --> 01:16:36,560
The point is the scope, the
scale, the quantity, the promotion,

867
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:41,560
the insanity that the extremity of it. I mean we're not just talking

868
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:45,239
about I mean if you read the
German report about did you see the report

869
01:16:45,239 --> 01:16:46,920
about the nuns in Germany? Yes? Yeah, well you shared it.

870
01:16:47,159 --> 01:16:50,439
That's how I saw it. I
mean that's like, this is like a

871
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:57,000
whole other level of in the rampant
examples of of the Satanic abuse in the

872
01:16:57,079 --> 01:17:01,399
Roman Callolic Church. I mean it's
not just you know, a corrupt bishop

873
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:05,600
of uh, you know, taking
money or you know people, it's it's

874
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:12,199
like extreme Satanic stuff. Well I
saw that there was a Again, I

875
01:17:12,239 --> 01:17:15,960
don't know, it's curious what your
opinion is. But an insider quote unquote

876
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:20,279
saying that Harry Kissinger talked about attending
a black Mass in the Vatican and that

877
01:17:20,399 --> 01:17:24,359
George W or George H. Bush
was there, and that this is a

878
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:27,239
known thing, that there's black masses
in the Vatican. Have you ever heard

879
01:17:27,279 --> 01:17:30,159
about this? Yeah, I have
a whole shelf on the history of that

880
01:17:30,279 --> 01:17:33,600
stuff. So now I don't know
if that's the case, I wouldn't be

881
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:40,399
surprised. But multiple people have written
books on networks of the of the Satanic

882
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:45,800
cult and kind of secret societies in
various Roman Catholic circles. I mean you

883
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:50,760
have, you know, the cardinal
from Scotland best friends with Jimmy Savell,

884
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:57,640
multiple pictures of them with children.
Savell was was awarded knighthood by John Paul

885
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:00,479
the second. I mean they had
to know. I mean, you get

886
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:02,960
vetted by security services before you go
talk to the Pope. There's no way

887
01:18:03,039 --> 01:18:05,920
they didn't know who Jimmy Seville was
and what he did as a fixer,

888
01:18:06,319 --> 01:18:12,680
as a procurer of children. You
know, with this just open satanic you

889
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:16,399
know persona and relationship that Saval had. There's no way these people didn't know

890
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:18,760
this. Then you know he's getting
these awards. I mean, it's just

891
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:25,479
insane. And people just simply refuse
and won't believe that their leaders are that

892
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:29,039
corrupt because it would really mean the
whole that they've been lied to and they've

893
01:18:29,039 --> 01:18:32,239
been believing a lie, and so
they would rather double down on delusions then

894
01:18:32,399 --> 01:18:36,119
simply to admit that they're being lied
to and they've been deceived. But I

895
01:18:36,159 --> 01:18:42,119
mean the same people that are on
the nightly news the web is of mass

896
01:18:42,159 --> 01:18:45,000
destruction people. I mean, they're
lying just as much as these people are

897
01:18:45,079 --> 01:18:49,319
lying, right, So if you
think those people are lying, don't you

898
01:18:49,399 --> 01:18:55,359
also think their buddies of the Vatican
are lying? Right? Absolutely, And

899
01:18:55,399 --> 01:18:58,159
it's so funny. People like the
Stephen Colberts of the world are like the

900
01:18:58,239 --> 01:19:01,439
public figureheads of a Catholic you know, or how how do I promote my

901
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:06,520
Catholic faith? And again he's a
total subverter, total stude for the deep

902
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:11,479
state of the global you know nothing, he says, you can believe it

903
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:14,840
even to be his own opinion.
Well, he is the Catholic because again,

904
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,960
Catholicism is whatever you want it to
be. If you want it to

905
01:19:18,079 --> 01:19:26,279
be skittles and you know, chopping
up B A B I s at plan

906
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:29,840
p A R N T H O
O D, and then that's what it

907
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:33,239
is for you. If you want
it to be medieval knights crusading and chopping

908
01:19:33,319 --> 01:19:39,880
off heads, they can be whatever
you want. You kind of mentioned it

909
01:19:40,199 --> 01:19:45,159
again, I had a list of
topics, but would you mind speaking maybe

910
01:19:45,199 --> 01:19:49,399
a little bit more on on like
I'm not too familiar on the erection of

911
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:53,960
the Vatican Bank. What is the
history? How did this thing come about?

912
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:58,880
You know, I know a little
bit about usury and the Mediceese being

913
01:19:59,319 --> 01:20:04,159
really the first force in Western Europe
to really okay usury in a real systematic

914
01:20:04,279 --> 01:20:11,119
way. How does this relate to
the Vatican Bank? What is you know

915
01:20:11,319 --> 01:20:13,800
some of the background on the Vatican
Bank that people would need to know,

916
01:20:14,399 --> 01:20:18,119
all right, So Hoffen also has
a book on this about the papal reversal,

917
01:20:18,199 --> 01:20:23,520
a position on usury. So everybody
knows for the first thousand years Christianity,

918
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:27,640
you weren't supposed to do usury,
right, So the papacy then makes

919
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:30,520
changes and sort of oh, well, you can do in this case,

920
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:32,800
this case, this case. So
the Renaissance are of papacy is you're exactly

921
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:36,880
right where this reversal occurs, and
this is really what paves the way for

922
01:20:38,359 --> 01:20:43,239
modern banking. Modern banking couldn't have
happened if you hadn't had that medieval power

923
01:20:43,279 --> 01:20:46,680
structure having a shift a position on
this stuff. So in many ways,

924
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:51,359
the modern world is a product of
the Vatican. You could say, maybe

925
01:20:51,399 --> 01:20:57,479
not directly, but I mean even
even law right legal theory actually goes back

926
01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:00,720
to medieval canon law, uh and
the Holy Office. A lot of people

927
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:05,359
don't know that the Inquisition and the
procedural approach of the Inquisition, for example,

928
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:10,439
had a huge impact on Western legal
theory, which I'm not saying that

929
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:13,159
was about that. Actually there's a
lot of good things believed or not in

930
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:19,079
inquisitional procedure that would go into Western
legal theory about the rights of the accused,

931
01:21:19,159 --> 01:21:21,960
all this kind of stuff. So
a lot of that is overplayed and

932
01:21:23,119 --> 01:21:28,279
and kind of misunderstood. So but
that's a different topic. And when it

933
01:21:28,319 --> 01:21:30,920
comes to legal theory itself or acum
monetary theory, yeah, I think that

934
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:41,760
eventually what happens is that you get
the allowance for fiat money, money printing,

935
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:45,199
all these kinds of which would which
would would have been previously seen as

936
01:21:45,079 --> 01:21:53,159
dubious immoral practices in terms of banking, become the norm in the West.

937
01:21:53,279 --> 01:21:57,039
I don't think directly, because I
don't think the papers was directly causing that.

938
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:00,079
But you get the allowance of these
things, which opens the pendor's box

939
01:22:00,239 --> 01:22:06,279
is the point. And so eventually, I don't think the Vatican Bank started

940
01:22:06,359 --> 01:22:10,319
as a thing where they were just
trying to make money or its like a

941
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:13,439
It was the institute of you know, religious works. It was just kind

942
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:15,239
of going to be this thing where
that you know, they could promote good

943
01:22:15,279 --> 01:22:20,239
works through money for the Diocese of
Rome and the Church Rome. But what

944
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:25,319
eventually happens, I think is that
because there's so much wealth and power that

945
01:22:25,399 --> 01:22:30,239
the Vatican eventually accrues, it's just
too much, it's too over the top

946
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:36,560
that when it becomes eventually this bank
that is part of the global usery based

947
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:42,119
banking scam, is when it really
becomes just this nightmare. And this is

948
01:22:42,159 --> 01:22:46,399
where we get the famous Vatican banking
scandal, where now it's tied into the

949
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:51,720
global economy, it's tied into the
giant trillion dollar debt based system, it's

950
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:55,800
tied into the mafia. This is
all well documented. It's not a conspiracy

951
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:59,600
theory. It's a very famous,
well known, documented event of the Vatican

952
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:04,800
bank scandals, and it eventually led
to the assassination of multiple people. One

953
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:09,199
of the famous bishops involved in this
is Bishop Marcinkus. Go look it up.

954
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:12,319
And the famous banker who died,
the Vatican banker, Roberto Calvi.

955
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:17,239
He ends up assassinated by the mafia
over this gigantic money laundering scheme. So

956
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:21,159
we're organized crime the Vatican. They're
joined at the hip at this point,

957
01:23:21,319 --> 01:23:26,720
very clearly from the scandal. And
even after the Vatican banking scandals, not

958
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:28,520
like, oh, well, it
went away. I mean, there have

959
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:34,560
been multiple Vatican banking scandals involving money
laundering, bribery, theft, deception,

960
01:23:35,239 --> 01:23:40,560
death's assassinations in the last several decades. So it's not like this went away

961
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:45,399
in the fifty sixty seventies. No, no, no, it's still ongoing.

962
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:47,920
There have been major Vatican banking scandals
in the last couple of years.

963
01:23:48,399 --> 01:23:53,920
And again, the Vatican Bank is
not any different than any of the other

964
01:23:54,279 --> 01:23:59,399
international banks. It's one of them. It's tied into the shadow banking structure.

965
01:24:00,039 --> 01:24:04,920
It's just another element of the you
know, bast system. And so

966
01:24:05,079 --> 01:24:08,720
the human t R A F F, I, C K, I,

967
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:14,800
n G. The blackmail that goes
on through clerics being compromised, which by

968
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:20,039
the way wim Hoff covers. I
mean that all ties into these banking elite

969
01:24:20,079 --> 01:24:28,640
scandals because it's the banks that run
the world. Right, Why the Vatican

970
01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:31,119
is so in favor of the Great
Reset because not only are they yeah,

971
01:24:31,159 --> 01:24:35,439
he's a tool of these humanist institution, but they're financially in line and in

972
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:40,359
lockstep with the Great Reset itself.
Oh totally, And it's very obvious.

973
01:24:40,359 --> 01:24:43,279
It's totally evident to the whole world, and everybody knows it. And then

974
01:24:43,319 --> 01:24:45,920
rom mcallochs lie to themselves, Oh
but he's not really or oh, I'll

975
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:48,399
just wait until there's a base pope. You're not going to get a base

976
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:54,119
pope. Guess what. Francis stacked
the cardinals with non based cardinals. Who

977
01:24:54,159 --> 01:24:57,079
do you think the non based cardinals
are going to elect a bays pope.

978
01:24:57,119 --> 01:24:59,720
Are you serious? There are no
base cardinals, there's no base. They're

979
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:04,359
not gonna get whoever that black dude
from Africa is. And he's a proponent

980
01:25:04,399 --> 01:25:08,920
of Vatican two anyway, So I
don't know what people think that cardinal.

981
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:14,800
What's his face? That black dude? Yeah, so I know that you've

982
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:17,760
posted recently on some of the what
you what's your thoughts on the whole Canadian

983
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:23,720
thing where they're finding the remains of
the of the natives at these Catholic sides.

984
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:28,319
I've seen some people in an orthosphere
post that this was a hoax,

985
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:31,720
that this was a sort of a
political ploy, But I mean, the

986
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:40,680
Vatican has Cathosism itself has a whole
history of killing people pretty ruthlessly. What

987
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:43,880
are your thoughts on some of the
because that's some contemporary news that I don't

988
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:46,439
find it hard to believe. Obviously, I don't know one certitude, but

989
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:53,279
I watched two documentaries on it.
I watched multiple interviews with people who had

990
01:25:53,359 --> 01:25:59,119
lived in these orphanages in Canada.
I think that a lot of them are

991
01:25:59,199 --> 01:26:02,399
telling the truth. And when I
compare it to other cases of orphanages that

992
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:06,159
aren't just about indigenous peoples. I
mean, you can go to the orphanages

993
01:26:06,199 --> 01:26:14,479
in Ireland, the ones in Scotland, there's cases a Jersey where I think

994
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:19,000
the one in Jersey Wash it was
where they found you know, like piles

995
01:26:19,039 --> 01:26:25,000
of bones in the corner. There're
ben rumors for many many years of again

996
01:26:25,159 --> 01:26:29,680
satanic and occultic practices in these places. So I don't think that's hard to

997
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:31,880
believe at all. In fact,
it's not in print anymore. But William

998
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:36,319
Kennedy wrote a book back before all
this came out in two thousand and three

999
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:42,039
or four called Lucifer's Lodge, and
he was just documenting the cases of this

1000
01:26:42,159 --> 01:26:45,800
stuff up until two thousand and three
or four. So many many more cases

1001
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:51,439
have come out, and so again
it's not just look up the satanic practices

1002
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:56,720
that were going on at the orphanage
in Scotland where they admitted it with satanic

1003
01:26:57,119 --> 01:27:01,760
Look at how they were renting the
boys out in Germany. Admittedly I can't

1004
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:06,199
even say what they were doing in
that case. It's so disgusting. So

1005
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:10,199
I don't find it hard to do. I know with the hum certitude that

1006
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:13,039
that that's what they were doing to
the indigenous peoples and kind of know,

1007
01:27:13,199 --> 01:27:15,079
but I don't find it hard to
believe given the other cases that I can

1008
01:27:15,159 --> 01:27:23,600
confirm, right absolutely, Yeah,
the the and by the way, just

1009
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:30,399
because leftist groups take stories and try
to use them, doesn't mean that there's

1010
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:34,359
not some truth to the stories,
right absolutely. And the grooming of children,

1011
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:39,479
I mean, this is a this
is a known thing. And you

1012
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:44,039
know, even my low Monopolis himself, where did he experience his first homoerotic

1013
01:27:44,119 --> 01:27:48,840
relationship well with his priest and and
so it's it's it's so out in the

1014
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:55,119
open that it's kind of hard as
an Orthodox and I never really turned my

1015
01:27:55,239 --> 01:27:59,920
gaze even coming back to christ.
Catholicism was always a real difficult pill to

1016
01:28:00,199 --> 01:28:02,680
swallow given some of these things that
were they're so out in the open.

1017
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:09,720
At this point, I did find
the traditionality interesting before really diving into Orthodoxy.

1018
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:15,199
But uh, the child grooming,
the pedophilia, it is so so

1019
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:17,239
prevalent and like that, I mean, that's what I'm trying to say is

1020
01:28:17,359 --> 01:28:23,800
that the at the organizational institutional level, this is so rampant and so widespread

1021
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:29,079
that it's as if the whole organization
is basically an organized crime entity, right,

1022
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:31,119
which that's how I see it.
Their bank is used to launder the

1023
01:28:31,199 --> 01:28:36,439
money for all their crime. And
this is not this is known, right,

1024
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:42,000
So why people want to be in
this It baffles me. And I

1025
01:28:42,079 --> 01:28:45,399
think people think that, you know, what they read in the church fathers,

1026
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:48,199
or what they read in the forged
documents, which you know, the

1027
01:28:48,279 --> 01:28:53,720
papacy has relied on countless dozens of
forgeries to try to pop up this position

1028
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:57,199
because it was so ahistorical, they
had to rely on all these I've got

1029
01:28:57,239 --> 01:28:59,960
a list of the forgeries right here. They rely on all these forgeries,

1030
01:29:00,119 --> 01:29:02,560
you know, Fords documents to try
to prove the papacy. I mean,

1031
01:29:03,239 --> 01:29:06,520
you know, if you're not being
duped by forgeries, I don't understand why

1032
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:12,520
you would find this institution even convincing
or dealing. I mean, it's not

1033
01:29:13,319 --> 01:29:17,239
a haven of traditionalism, it's not. It is the revolution itself. Francis

1034
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:23,800
is a revolutionary and when you go
into this institution as a traditionally minded person,

1035
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:28,399
uh, Francis doesn't want you there. You're not his. He doesn't

1036
01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:30,279
care about you. He wants you
to go away. In fact, look

1037
01:29:30,319 --> 01:29:36,760
what he just did to all the
traads exactly so so that the irony ears

1038
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:41,279
of the Roman Catholics, the traditional
Roman Catholics, that get so mad at

1039
01:29:41,359 --> 01:29:45,119
us, and really I think that
it's just lashing out. They're angry about

1040
01:29:45,119 --> 01:29:49,840
their position, their church and really
Francis, and a lot of the anger

1041
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:54,479
is directed at us when it's you
know, I'm not Francis, I'm not.

1042
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:58,600
I don't. There's no better evangelists
for Orthodoxy than pute Francis. Amen

1043
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:01,359
to that. And you almost feel
bad because I know, I have some

1044
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:05,880
Catholic friends and they're they're they're you
know, they're on the level, they're

1045
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:11,359
based, and they're still struggling with
their faith, and it's like I'm always

1046
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:16,439
trying to throw out lures that lead
them back to Orthodoxy. And it's like

1047
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:23,319
the the ancestry of their family,
their relationship to Orthodoxy. You know how

1048
01:30:23,399 --> 01:30:30,239
many generations I mean Catholicism, I
know, and and and it's I they

1049
01:30:30,399 --> 01:30:35,359
can't get out of the the historiicsity
of their family tradition being part of Cathology.

1050
01:30:35,399 --> 01:30:39,119
Okay, well that's just an idol. So that's we would all be

1051
01:30:39,199 --> 01:30:44,439
idolators if we believe that because our
ancestors are all Pagans. But I mean,

1052
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:48,239
that's the only thing I can imagine
why what would hold somebody in Catholicism

1053
01:30:48,319 --> 01:30:54,039
at this point. There is no
logical theological justification for why it'd be the

1054
01:30:54,159 --> 01:30:59,720
true church. It has to be
some like you said, sort of idolizing

1055
01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:02,439
of your family history of this is
what you know our granddad did, and

1056
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:08,840
he was such a great guy.
It just falls empty, It falls real

1057
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:13,159
empty. Well. The scary part
about that, too, is how delusions

1058
01:31:13,239 --> 01:31:15,520
work. And the problem is that
the more that you buy into and affirmed

1059
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:21,199
delusions, you're not hurting anybody but
yourself. I mean, it's not like

1060
01:31:21,279 --> 01:31:27,159
you're not getting at me because you
stay in Rome almost good dire convinced my

1061
01:31:27,279 --> 01:31:31,159
friends become tragile. You're gonna find
out firsthand that the trad world is not

1062
01:31:31,279 --> 01:31:35,600
what is cracked up to me.
And right the nightmare I was, I

1063
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:40,159
spent ten years in that world,
So it's it's not it's not. The

1064
01:31:40,239 --> 01:31:43,399
grass is not greeners want to try
to say if you go to the trad

1065
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:47,560
world. And one thing I found
too is that, like you said,

1066
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:51,680
a lot of the times when we
talk to people who I'll put it this

1067
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:59,880
way. I've never had a person
who left Orthodoxy for Rome have a a

1068
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:03,840
coherent, real conversation with any of
us or any any of my friends about

1069
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:08,159
why, in fact what always happens. And there was a couple of people

1070
01:32:08,199 --> 01:32:12,000
recently who did this in the last
year. I know of two. They

1071
01:32:12,079 --> 01:32:15,239
specifically said, I will not speak
to you. I don't want anything to

1072
01:32:15,279 --> 01:32:16,960
do with you, and I'm not
going to talk to you. And it's

1073
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:19,720
like, well, did I do
something personally? No, okay, but

1074
01:32:20,159 --> 01:32:25,600
what wouldn't you want to at least
bounce the ideas off, like you know

1075
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:28,239
what I mean, We're we're at
least decent apologists over here, Like,

1076
01:32:28,239 --> 01:32:30,199
wouldn't you want to hear some at
least good arguments as to why maybe it's

1077
01:32:30,239 --> 01:32:32,359
not the best choice. No,
I want nothing to do with you.

1078
01:32:32,439 --> 01:32:35,319
I'm not going to talk to you. I don't want it. So what

1079
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:40,039
that says to me is that the
reasons that they have and in one case,

1080
01:32:40,119 --> 01:32:44,560
this one person said, when I
prayed, I felt better doing Roman

1081
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:48,359
Cathy prayers. That's not a good
argument. Again, Yeah, that is

1082
01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:53,840
prelat delusion. Exactly. We're not
we don't choose our religion of the basis

1083
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:56,159
of how we feel. I mean, if that was the case, Uh,

1084
01:32:56,479 --> 01:32:58,680
well, I got a burning in
my bosoone when I prayed, So

1085
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:00,039
I guess I should go to you
know of this or that pirle man.

1086
01:33:02,039 --> 01:33:08,520
Yeah, so in that idea,
like, for example, the gentleman of

1087
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:13,159
your example leaving Orthodoxy not wanting to
engage with you because you may sway him

1088
01:33:13,199 --> 01:33:16,880
from his decision to go back to
Catholicism, and then even basing it in

1089
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:24,520
emotional I mean, Saint Ignatius,
his whole prayer is about fantastic imaginating places

1090
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:29,399
for prayer and devotion and then immense
Pietism in the way that you feel and

1091
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:32,640
get an Orthodoxy we say, well
watch out with being way too emotional and

1092
01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:35,840
way too in your imagination. Well, one of these people was a girl,

1093
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:40,920
so that's actually why she wanted to
go on that route. Another person

1094
01:33:41,119 --> 01:33:45,199
was a dude who specifically would not
have anything to do or discuss anything with

1095
01:33:45,319 --> 01:33:49,439
any of us. And again,
I mean, that's your prerogative, but

1096
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:53,920
it's not really going to hurt my
feelings if you don't like me. But

1097
01:33:54,760 --> 01:33:57,359
again, I would just I would
think that if I was wanting to make

1098
01:33:57,359 --> 01:34:00,720
a decision like that, I would
want to know the best case and the

1099
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:05,119
best arguments, irregardless of the person
giving the argument right, right? What

1100
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:10,439
the other position was right? So
what's the best arguments for Orthodoxy? What

1101
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:13,319
was the best argument Fromtholicism? I
want to see both of those right.

1102
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:15,479
And that's, you know, really
what I tried to do. That's the

1103
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:18,439
approach. I took many, many
years looking at both of those arguments,

1104
01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:21,760
both those systems, and not just
the arguments. But like, where have

1105
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:26,680
both of these churches gone? Right? Where did Rome go in the last

1106
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:29,359
fifteen years? Where did Orthodoxy go
in the last fifteen years? Right?

1107
01:34:30,039 --> 01:34:33,600
No, And that has to do
with the pursuit of an honest pursuit and

1108
01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:39,239
sincere pursuit of truth, of which
is the incarnation of Jesus Christ, the

1109
01:34:39,319 --> 01:34:42,640
logos Jesus Christ is the truth.
Truth is who, not of what.

1110
01:34:43,239 --> 01:34:47,079
And so my own journey back to
Orthodoxy deeply in the psychedelics, deeply into

1111
01:34:47,119 --> 01:34:50,279
the drug scene. But it was
I was honestly thought it was true,

1112
01:34:50,359 --> 01:34:53,960
and I was open to change my
mind, and I'm learning, I'm taking

1113
01:34:54,000 --> 01:35:00,560
a new information, and that journey
leads me to orthodox and led me to

1114
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:02,560
your content of which you are on
the same path, and that you are

1115
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:05,960
apologetic. So if I am able
to do anything positive with my channel,

1116
01:35:06,359 --> 01:35:12,239
it's trying to put out truthful things
in the pursuit of truth, no matter

1117
01:35:12,319 --> 01:35:15,800
whoever it comes from or who it
comes from, and then take that and

1118
01:35:15,159 --> 01:35:18,760
navigate based on that information. And
I feel like so many of the people

1119
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:23,760
I know that are still stuck in
Roman Catholicism. They can see so much

1120
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:28,399
of what's going on because their trad
values. Yet then when it comes back

1121
01:35:28,439 --> 01:35:31,840
to the church and the absolute degeneracy
of their institution, they don't want to

1122
01:35:31,880 --> 01:35:35,319
look at it. And to me, that's in negating of Christ himself and

1123
01:35:35,439 --> 01:35:39,840
the pursuit of truth, which is
why then the Church is the way it

1124
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:43,039
is. The Catholic Church is the
way it is because of that. Well

1125
01:35:43,119 --> 01:35:46,439
one of the other tried myths that
needs to be exploded, which is another

1126
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:49,199
kind of weird delusion, as a
lot of Roman Catholics think that they can

1127
01:35:49,279 --> 01:35:56,399
have their own Catholicism regardless and irrespective
of Rome. I don't care what Francis

1128
01:35:56,479 --> 01:35:59,399
does. I'm gonna go Latin mass
I'm gonna do my trad stuff. That's

1129
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:02,399
my religigon. But that's not how
the Roman Catholic system works. You don't

1130
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:06,960
get to erect your mental Roman Catholicism
that has nothing to do with Rome.

1131
01:36:08,039 --> 01:36:12,039
Because the fundamental nature of the Church
in the Roman Catholic system is defined at

1132
01:36:12,079 --> 01:36:18,079
Vatican One and is essentially constituted by
Rome and the living successor in Rome.

1133
01:36:18,359 --> 01:36:23,600
You have no right, no prerogative. Fact, you're condemned for saying that

1134
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:28,640
I'm going to have my Roman Catholicism, irregardless, with nothing to do with

1135
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:32,319
the guy in Rome. That's totally
contrary. It's condemned in fact. In

1136
01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:38,000
terms of Vatican One, Vatican One
says that the Roman Catholic Institution, as

1137
01:36:38,079 --> 01:36:43,199
a visible institution, can never lose
its constituent elements and parts, and some

1138
01:36:43,319 --> 01:36:49,960
of those are things like international visibility. It's a visible international institution. It

1139
01:36:50,079 --> 01:36:55,920
has a living head and successor and
always will until the return of Christ.

1140
01:36:56,600 --> 01:37:00,640
So that doesn't mean that there's not
periods of vacancy when they're going to elect

1141
01:37:00,199 --> 01:37:04,199
a pope, but it's saying that
there will never cease to be a living,

1142
01:37:04,399 --> 01:37:10,119
visible successor to the office of Peter
under that terrorism of the Holy Spirit

1143
01:37:10,239 --> 01:37:12,720
until the end of the world.
This is all laid out very clearly in

1144
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:16,119
Vatican One. Everybody who's a Roman
Catholic who doesn't know this should go print

1145
01:37:16,159 --> 01:37:20,239
out and Rea Vatican One, because
I'm serious. So many people in my

1146
01:37:20,359 --> 01:37:24,800
experience in the Roman Catholic world,
they're just ignorant of what vac In one

1147
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:29,279
actually says, and they think that
they can do this like Protestant move where

1148
01:37:29,560 --> 01:37:33,600
they have a Roman Catholicism of their
own in their head that's not connected to

1149
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:38,039
Rome. That doesn't work, that
doesn't exist. You don't get to have

1150
01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:45,960
an historian, invisible church version of
Catholicism that's not based on the living successor

1151
01:37:45,119 --> 01:37:50,319
to Peter in Rome. That's what
Vatican one says, right right, And

1152
01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:54,079
that's what they all want to do. They're all like, I don't care

1153
01:37:54,159 --> 01:37:56,640
what's happened in Rome for the last
seventy years. I'm going to do my

1154
01:37:56,800 --> 01:38:00,439
thing. Okay, But that's not
Roman Catholicism. That's something thing else.

1155
01:38:00,439 --> 01:38:03,600
And that's the problem with you know, the whole SSPX and and a lot

1156
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:09,880
of those people in the cares and
the trads too. Yeah, now their

1157
01:38:09,960 --> 01:38:14,920
their mass is being uh you know, outlawed within this well, they're all

1158
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:17,159
saying, I don't care what Rome
does. It doesn't work like that.

1159
01:38:17,279 --> 01:38:23,119
Don't you know that Vatican One says
that you have to adhere to the jurisdictional,

1160
01:38:23,239 --> 01:38:30,560
canonical and UH judgments of Rome,
so that, in other words,

1161
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:35,760
when the when the Holy See pronounces
a judgment on this or that liturgical canonical

1162
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:42,800
issue, you can't reject it.
You might believe it's wrong, but you

1163
01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:47,119
can't reject it. You don't have
the authority to reject the juridical decisions of

1164
01:38:47,159 --> 01:38:51,720
the Roman See. That's actually a
condemned proposition because at the time that that

1165
01:38:53,039 --> 01:38:55,600
was added to Vatican One, it's
it's part of Vatican one. If you

1166
01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:58,319
read densing here. There were theologians, for example, at the time they

1167
01:38:58,319 --> 01:39:02,119
were saying, oh, okay,
well, I will accept uh the papal

1168
01:39:02,279 --> 01:39:06,000
teaching only in so far as it's
ex cathedral. And so there was some

1169
01:39:06,079 --> 01:39:11,199
theologians who said at that time that
means I don't have to accept uh,

1170
01:39:11,399 --> 01:39:14,880
like if the Holy Office censures me
for teaching something like if they condemn me

1171
01:39:15,079 --> 01:39:17,239
or excommunicate me, or then I
don't have to accept those things because they're

1172
01:39:17,239 --> 01:39:21,319
not ex cathedral. That is condemned, and it specifically say it's that you

1173
01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:28,760
must follow the Roman See in all
of her offices and decisions, including the

1174
01:39:28,840 --> 01:39:31,600
Holy Office, which is an extension
of the of the Roman See. So

1175
01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:36,560
I mean you could see the like
the new the the Sophistry and Casustrie that

1176
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:41,039
was being used or people trying to
get around it. Well, I don't

1177
01:39:41,039 --> 01:39:44,800
have to accept, like, you
know, the Holy Office because that's not

1178
01:39:44,920 --> 01:39:47,279
the Pope. Well it specifically says
that it's an extension of the Pope.

1179
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:51,399
You do have to accept it,
right, because it's an action of the

1180
01:39:51,479 --> 01:39:58,439
representatives of the Holy See. So
this is all just just gains and nonsense

1181
01:39:58,520 --> 01:40:02,319
that the trads do and play to
try to get around these problems. Yeah,

1182
01:40:02,439 --> 01:40:05,840
my favorite, one of my favorite
ones is the sort of low IQ

1183
01:40:05,960 --> 01:40:10,680
rebote, And I saw Nick Quintez
said this to you and your debate with

1184
01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:13,800
him as well, we're the true
church because we were founded by Peter.

1185
01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:15,840
And it's like, dude, did
you not read the Book of Acts,

1186
01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:20,680
Like there's multiple churches you know,
for example, I'm in the Antiochia in

1187
01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:28,079
Churt Antioch indiok was founded by Peter
and Paul way before Rome. So what

1188
01:40:28,399 --> 01:40:32,600
exactly you talking about. I mean, earlier Ecuminical councils state that every church

1189
01:40:32,840 --> 01:40:38,199
that has absolute succession is as fully
Catholic as any other church. So this

1190
01:40:38,319 --> 01:40:44,119
is ridiculous, right, Well,
when you're talking about how they almost harm

1191
01:40:44,239 --> 01:40:50,920
themselves in uh in the sort of
delusion mouse traps mazes that the Catholics go

1192
01:40:51,079 --> 01:40:56,199
through. I mean, now we're
seeing the Vatican promote the JAB passport and

1193
01:40:56,359 --> 01:41:00,239
get getting the stabbies, and now
this, I mean, what better example

1194
01:41:00,399 --> 01:41:04,279
of the fact that he is a
tool of the geopolitical powers that we talked

1195
01:41:04,279 --> 01:41:10,439
about than that. Exactly, you
can't even go so based on the presupposition,

1196
01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:12,680
say I am a Roman Catholic,
Well, I definitely want to go

1197
01:41:12,720 --> 01:41:15,439
to the Vatican, and I want
to, but I'm against abortion. So

1198
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:18,880
because I'm against abortion, I'm not
going to put something with fetal cells inside

1199
01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:23,960
of me. But then the Vatican
itself won't even let you in without your

1200
01:41:24,039 --> 01:41:26,920
green pass What are you talking about? Oh, and by the way,

1201
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:30,279
I found there used to be some
things on the Vatican website several years ago,

1202
01:41:30,399 --> 01:41:35,960
maybe five ten years ago that actually
condemned using those cell lines in stabbies.

1203
01:41:39,439 --> 01:41:44,279
And it's apparently no longer the case
that was under Benedict. So again,

1204
01:41:44,399 --> 01:41:46,720
it's funny how things just can reverse, right, like it's a sin

1205
01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:49,199
to do it like ten years ago. Oh now it's cool, it's all

1206
01:41:49,239 --> 01:41:54,399
good doing. Right. And I
saw in certain parts of the US that

1207
01:41:54,520 --> 01:42:00,359
Catholic bishops were preventing priests from giving
religious exemptions from the stabbes. Yeah,

1208
01:42:00,439 --> 01:42:04,279
and if any trad wants to fuss
about the Orthodox world, I would totally

1209
01:42:04,319 --> 01:42:08,760
agree with you. It's wrong.
Whether it's in the world or the Orthodoxy,

1210
01:42:09,159 --> 01:42:13,399
it's wrong. But but the point
is that the nature of the Roman

1211
01:42:13,479 --> 01:42:18,359
Catholic system is not the system that
is Orthodoxy. Orthodoxy doesn't have Bartholow you

1212
01:42:18,439 --> 01:42:23,279
as a pope, right, He's
not like there have been countless time,

1213
01:42:23,399 --> 01:42:27,359
not countless, but many times when
the patriarch concept to noble was a total

1214
01:42:27,399 --> 01:42:30,560
heretic. And everybody knows this his
famous instances in the history of the church,

1215
01:42:31,079 --> 01:42:36,000
many of them persecuted people who eventually
became saints. Right, So we're

1216
01:42:36,039 --> 01:42:40,880
not saying that a patriarch, any
of these bishops can't apostatize. In fact,

1217
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:45,479
that's our whole point. Any patriarchy, any bishop, can apostatize,

1218
01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:51,119
including the one in Rome, and
he has clearly and so along what we're

1219
01:42:51,119 --> 01:42:57,119
seeing now within Catholicism is I forget
what's the priest's name, and he's got

1220
01:42:57,199 --> 01:43:00,720
like a he's online on Twitter and
stuff something Martin, and he promotes a

1221
01:43:00,760 --> 01:43:03,439
lot of the homosexual stuff. You
know his name, Oh the famous Jesuit.

1222
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:09,319
Yeah, yeah that now I know
with some of the more trad bishops

1223
01:43:09,359 --> 01:43:14,239
and priests and Catholicism are really upset
because Francis sent him a glowing letter about

1224
01:43:14,319 --> 01:43:21,199
his work regarding same sex unions and
marginalized communities, that you're really seeing a

1225
01:43:21,279 --> 01:43:27,000
real push within Catholicism for same sex
unions. Well, there was an issue

1226
01:43:27,399 --> 01:43:31,800
a few months ago where Francis in
a video talked about how it might be

1227
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:38,720
advantageous to have the legalization of the
civil unions too. What was his reason

1228
01:43:38,840 --> 01:43:43,119
for it being advantageous just to get
more people or what? No, I

1229
01:43:43,199 --> 01:43:46,039
think it was throwing I mean my
analysis that he was throwing a bone either

1230
01:43:46,159 --> 01:43:51,680
to that community, to the left, or he was testing the waters to

1231
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:58,600
see how far he could go to
advance the revolution right, which in my

1232
01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:00,960
mind it is the state church and
so I mean all of the Yeah,

1233
01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:04,560
I mean all of the their apologists
were all up in arms and going having

1234
01:44:04,600 --> 01:44:09,399
a hissy fit over it. And
it's like, I mean, what about

1235
01:44:09,399 --> 01:44:14,760
all the other stuff he does?
Like he I mean he goes to mosques

1236
01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:18,359
and prays towards Mecca. I mean
that's an action of apostasy in your own

1237
01:44:18,439 --> 01:44:21,880
theology and canon law. But they
don't care. They don't care, Right,

1238
01:44:23,079 --> 01:44:25,159
that's what they just say. I
don't care what he does. I

1239
01:44:25,199 --> 01:44:27,239
don't care what he does. It
doesn't matter. I don't have to listen

1240
01:44:27,279 --> 01:44:30,560
to Rome. It's all. It's
it's you notice how arbitrary it is as

1241
01:44:30,640 --> 01:44:35,399
to what's infallible and binding and what's
not. It's just whatever the Romancolic needs

1242
01:44:35,439 --> 01:44:39,800
at the moment. Right, Oh, it's not, that's not infallible.

1243
01:44:39,800 --> 01:44:42,439
It doesn't matter, it's not,
it's not ex Cathedral, and then when

1244
01:44:42,479 --> 01:44:45,159
he needs it to be it is. This is again the irony is that

1245
01:44:45,399 --> 01:44:50,239
there is no actual list for them
as to what is dog man infallible and

1246
01:44:50,319 --> 01:44:55,159
what isn't. So the very thing
that they always try to roll out is

1247
01:44:55,239 --> 01:44:58,800
like their trump card, their knockdown
argument. Right, you don't have a

1248
01:44:58,840 --> 01:45:01,800
way to know dogma. Okay,
where is the list of the Roman Catholic

1249
01:45:01,800 --> 01:45:06,439
dogmas. They don't have one.
There is no infallible list. Yeah.

1250
01:45:06,840 --> 01:45:11,479
The relativism, as you're talking about, you're started sort of picking and choosing

1251
01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:15,479
and finding things that are useful at
certain points. I mean, to me,

1252
01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:18,239
this is the spirit of the anti
Christ. If Christ is the truth,

1253
01:45:19,279 --> 01:45:24,399
the fact that the Vatican and the
Roman Catholic Church is filled with all

1254
01:45:24,479 --> 01:45:30,239
this really promoting the relativism is the
negation of Christ himself, the negation of

1255
01:45:30,319 --> 01:45:36,000
the validity and veracity of Christianity.
Yeah, it can't be apostasy in nineteen

1256
01:45:36,039 --> 01:45:43,680
twenty eight to have inter religious prayer
meetings and interfaith prayer meetings in nineteen sixty

1257
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:45,640
five. That be the work of
the Holy Spirit to do it right.

1258
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:48,920
It's just I can't. That's not
possible. And they always say, give

1259
01:45:49,039 --> 01:45:56,680
us one example of the contradiction CHALVI. You there's one right there, which

1260
01:45:56,800 --> 01:46:00,439
insane. By the way, Roman
Catholics they really should read Mortalium Anemos because

1261
01:46:00,479 --> 01:46:09,359
the whole encyclical is a virulent,
I mean, just rabid refutation and rejection

1262
01:46:09,960 --> 01:46:16,560
of Ecumenism in all forms. And
then it's night and day, the very

1263
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:20,279
opposite of what is in Vatican Two, in the Vatican two documents and in

1264
01:46:20,399 --> 01:46:25,800
the actions of the Vatican two papacy. Particularly. I'm sure you've seen the

1265
01:46:26,039 --> 01:46:29,520
Assezi Gatherings. Are you familiar with
us? Yeah? Okay, So in

1266
01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:32,279
nineteen eighty six and then again on
something like nineteen ninety two or I don't

1267
01:46:32,279 --> 01:46:36,600
know, someone in the nineties,
they gathered together all the world religions and

1268
01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:41,319
have these big, famous prayer meetings. And you'll notice it's their famous pictures

1269
01:46:41,319 --> 01:46:45,279
where John Paul the Second is of
their holding a plant or something, and

1270
01:46:45,640 --> 01:46:48,520
he's up there with the Buddhists and
with the Hindus and the Giantess and there's

1271
01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:55,439
even an Orthodox bishop there supposedly.
And it's known as the Assezi Gatherings.

1272
01:46:55,479 --> 01:47:01,359
And they famously went into the Saint
Francis Cathedral and in Italy and Asizi,

1273
01:47:01,439 --> 01:47:06,680
and they draped blankets over all the
crucifixes, so it's to not offend the

1274
01:47:06,680 --> 01:47:12,560
world religions. They allowed voodoo practitioners
to go into one of the rooms,

1275
01:47:12,760 --> 01:47:15,760
they allowed all the other religions to
go into the other rooms, and they

1276
01:47:15,840 --> 01:47:19,359
had a World religion prayer Day where
everyone prayed to their gods. It's very

1277
01:47:19,399 --> 01:47:24,680
famous incidents, but I don't know
why every Roman Catholic should know about this.

1278
01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:30,920
And they even placed a little Buddha
up on the altar to appease the

1279
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:36,760
Buddhists. And I mean, if
that's if you can't see, if you

1280
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:41,359
don't have the spiritual discernment, not
telling you, but people in general,

1281
01:47:41,680 --> 01:47:45,760
if people in general don't have the
spiritual discernment to see that that is apostasy,

1282
01:47:45,439 --> 01:47:47,880
then I don't know what to tell
you. And you're in delusion,

1283
01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:50,880
and you know it's just going to
have to be God waking them up out

1284
01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:57,840
of that state, because I mean, that's just a fundamentally impossible scenario to

1285
01:47:57,960 --> 01:48:00,560
have all of the world religion.
In fact, I mean it was,

1286
01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:04,920
it was so bad Benedict had to
do like damage control for it. Wow

1287
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:10,640
yeo. I mean, which you
see now? The Pacha Mama veneration,

1288
01:48:11,319 --> 01:48:15,279
uh, patcha Mama is just an
a logical extension of Vatican two in the

1289
01:48:15,319 --> 01:48:18,119
a Szi gathering, and Pacha Mama
as a what do you want to call

1290
01:48:18,119 --> 01:48:24,279
it, spiritual entity is really just
a sort of substantiation of the global warming

1291
01:48:24,359 --> 01:48:29,079
cult in this new veneration of nature
itself. I mean, Patcha Mama is

1292
01:48:29,079 --> 01:48:32,680
a human sacrifice deity right in the
Amazon. It related back to this sort

1293
01:48:32,680 --> 01:48:39,399
of which is exactly one we're undergoing
at a global level right now, is

1294
01:48:39,479 --> 01:48:44,800
a sort of human sacrificial absolutely.
And let's make a point about this that

1295
01:48:44,920 --> 01:48:49,199
relates earlier to the sleight of hand. And you mentioned the extreme Marion dogmas

1296
01:48:49,239 --> 01:48:54,880
in Rome. Uh. One of
the justifications that these people tried to give

1297
01:48:55,079 --> 01:49:00,760
for Pascha Mama was precisely that,
well, if they're as indigenous people honoring

1298
01:49:00,960 --> 01:49:04,880
the Great Mother, that's no different
than Mary. Really, so Mary is

1299
01:49:05,000 --> 01:49:11,439
literally the equivalent of a human sacrifice
deity. In other words, is remember

1300
01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:15,399
what we were saying earlier about how
the word God is not a rigid designator.

1301
01:49:15,199 --> 01:49:20,279
Right. But this is the syncretistic
approach of Roman Catholicism, you know,

1302
01:49:20,760 --> 01:49:24,479
this is what you see in Santaia, right, which is, oh,

1303
01:49:24,560 --> 01:49:28,760
well, convert the masses by just
saying that Mary is your Patchemama.

1304
01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:32,000
That's not real conversion. That's not
what Christianity is. Christianity is not taking

1305
01:49:32,079 --> 01:49:36,319
all the world religion symbols and then
just saying that while we're all talking about

1306
01:49:36,319 --> 01:49:39,600
the same thing, bro, It's
all the same. No, Mary is

1307
01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:42,560
not a human sacrifice deity out of
the Amazon. They're not the same thing.

1308
01:49:43,079 --> 01:49:46,319
So the fact that the word great
mother or mother is used does not

1309
01:49:46,640 --> 01:49:53,520
mean it's the same reference. This
is so stupid, right, absolutely,

1310
01:49:53,840 --> 01:49:56,960
I'm not joking. That's that's literally
the justification that they tried to use.

1311
01:49:57,000 --> 01:50:00,720
I tried to say, well,
it's a great mother, we have the

1312
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:04,119
Mother of God, the Tan Tacos, the same thing, bro. But

1313
01:50:04,279 --> 01:50:06,640
it's just like what you're talking about
with at the beginning of the stream,

1314
01:50:06,720 --> 01:50:11,000
with what they do with the concept
of God in the New One World religion.

1315
01:50:11,560 --> 01:50:15,319
It's it's the same inflation of concepts
and categories. It's a word concept

1316
01:50:15,399 --> 01:50:19,520
fallacy, it's a sleight of hand. It is intimidating. The stupid thing

1317
01:50:19,560 --> 01:50:28,760
about this is that it doesn't produce
converts. It produces aberrations and aberrant forms

1318
01:50:28,840 --> 01:50:31,279
of the religion that lead to the
very things that are the problem that we're

1319
01:50:31,279 --> 01:50:36,319
talking about, right, which I
believe is entirely intentional. You know,

1320
01:50:36,640 --> 01:50:41,319
Yeah, it's it's a it's a
tool for religious engineering ultimately from the vantage

1321
01:50:41,359 --> 01:50:44,880
point of the elite, right,
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, and so

1322
01:50:45,119 --> 01:50:50,279
the Pacha Mama, I mean it, it's getting Catholic in the Catholic world,

1323
01:50:50,920 --> 01:50:57,520
whether they're conscientious of it or not. To again subtly get scooped up

1324
01:50:57,640 --> 01:51:02,279
into the green religion. Well,
yeah, exactly. So remember the word

1325
01:51:02,520 --> 01:51:06,159
catholic. So if you read the
the in the first thousand years, when

1326
01:51:06,159 --> 01:51:10,159
you're reading the Church fathers and the
Saints and the councils, Catholic means the

1327
01:51:10,199 --> 01:51:15,039
fullness of the faith. Right,
it does not equate to a number of

1328
01:51:15,119 --> 01:51:17,840
people that believe it. That might
be part of it, at least when

1329
01:51:17,880 --> 01:51:21,159
the Church expands throughout the Empire.
And yeah, there's a lot of people

1330
01:51:21,239 --> 01:51:25,720
believe it. But the Catholic Church
at various times, even in the Imperium,

1331
01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:30,920
was very small. In the Arian
Crisis, the number of true Catholics

1332
01:51:30,039 --> 01:51:35,119
was very small in the days of
Saint Maximus. Saint Maximus famously said I

1333
01:51:35,239 --> 01:51:38,960
am a Catholic and will always remain
a Catholic. Even if the number of

1334
01:51:39,039 --> 01:51:43,359
Catholics is reduced to five people.
He said, I'll still be the I'll

1335
01:51:43,359 --> 01:51:46,560
still be one of the Catholics.
And he's expressing the point that Catholic means

1336
01:51:46,680 --> 01:51:51,960
fullness, does not equate to first
and foremost numbers of people. And this

1337
01:51:53,159 --> 01:51:57,039
is another silly argument of the Roman
Catholics, and they try to equate the

1338
01:51:57,119 --> 01:51:59,720
two and oh see where the true
churches we have the most people. And

1339
01:51:59,720 --> 01:52:01,479
that's what Catholic means. It means
universal. And they're doing the same thing

1340
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:05,560
with universal, where they say,
oh see, universal means everything, and

1341
01:52:05,720 --> 01:52:10,680
so every religion is really, you
see, just part of the consenter circles

1342
01:52:10,720 --> 01:52:15,199
of Catholicism. Right, absolutely,
no, that's not what Catholic means.

1343
01:52:15,239 --> 01:52:17,960
In the Creed, one Holy Catholic
and Apostolic Church has nothing to do with

1344
01:52:18,079 --> 01:52:21,920
all the religions being on a scale
of being. No. In fact,

1345
01:52:21,960 --> 01:52:27,840
the Creeds emphatically stating that this is
the single one true faith, that path

1346
01:52:27,920 --> 01:52:33,840
and purpose exactly. It's not ecumenical
whatsoever or perennialistic whatsoever. It would be

1347
01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:40,119
like saying it'd be like saying,
well, we're all acumenists because they were

1348
01:52:40,199 --> 01:52:44,279
ecumenical councils, and that's the same
word. I think, how stupid that

1349
01:52:44,439 --> 01:52:50,760
is, Like as of a humanism
equates to ecumenical council It's totally different meanings.

1350
01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:56,079
Dude, Oh my gosh, it
reminds me of the people that you

1351
01:52:56,279 --> 01:53:00,880
look at English words and come up
with this whole uh thing theology of how

1352
01:53:00,960 --> 01:53:06,279
all the you know, all the
religions are are star warship astro theology and

1353
01:53:06,359 --> 01:53:10,760
they kind of mix and do they
try to do this is a classic Jordan

1354
01:53:10,840 --> 01:53:16,399
Maxwell move right drdon Maxwell does this
where he says Solomon, right, Solomon

1355
01:53:16,760 --> 01:53:23,079
was actually soul home and on,
and it's like, dude, the name

1356
01:53:23,239 --> 01:53:27,840
Solomon Shalom has nothing to do with
those other languages, right, that game's

1357
01:53:27,880 --> 01:53:30,640
only played in English. And that's
what I think for this, it's so

1358
01:53:30,800 --> 01:53:34,720
stupid, so low iq. But
ironically what we're talking about is almost like

1359
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:40,720
another version of this, like really
low iq uh slide. It's a sleight

1360
01:53:40,760 --> 01:53:44,000
of hand, right. Imagine me
trying to convert people being like, do

1361
01:53:44,039 --> 01:53:46,600
you believe in God? I believe
in God? Do we well believe in

1362
01:53:46,640 --> 01:53:50,479
God? He's like, He's like, well, but I'm a voodoo practitioner.

1363
01:53:50,680 --> 01:53:54,760
Yeah, but we both agree that
we believe in God, so we're

1364
01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:58,359
in the same religion. See,
now you have to come to church with

1365
01:53:58,399 --> 01:54:00,039
me? Like, who would buy
that? It's just such a stupid right,

1366
01:54:00,439 --> 01:54:05,520
That's what's going on well, and
whether it be the Pacha Mama worship,

1367
01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:13,520
whether it be the marinology, or
the sort of sympathetic yearnings it has

1368
01:54:13,640 --> 01:54:16,399
towards the global warming, global climate
chain, whatever they want to call it.

1369
01:54:16,479 --> 01:54:23,760
Now you see the feminization of the
church itself and how it's now wanting

1370
01:54:23,840 --> 01:54:30,439
to even ordain women as priests,
and that Orthodoxy really is the last vestige

1371
01:54:30,520 --> 01:54:35,960
of any sort of patriarchal force within
Christianity because the consumerism. Yeah, we

1372
01:54:36,039 --> 01:54:42,439
may have some good Protestants or Evangelicals
that are resistant things, but Protestantism itself,

1373
01:54:42,600 --> 01:54:46,239
especially the way it exists in America, is replete with consumerism, you

1374
01:54:46,319 --> 01:54:51,520
know, self worship, all these
different things that doesn't masculinize a person.

1375
01:54:51,600 --> 01:54:58,319
There's no tradition there. Orthodoxy is
the last vestige of a sort of masculinized

1376
01:54:58,399 --> 01:55:02,279
Christianity. And and even though the
trad Catholics want to talk about their crusaders

1377
01:55:02,479 --> 01:55:09,239
of you know, the the the
eleventh century or whatever, it's it's a

1378
01:55:09,319 --> 01:55:15,079
feminized institution at this point because it's
so worldly, it's so in step with

1379
01:55:15,199 --> 01:55:18,920
the progressive yearnings of the world.
Right now, what what are your thoughts

1380
01:55:19,000 --> 01:55:23,439
on that? Well? And Also
you can see that in the fact that

1381
01:55:24,800 --> 01:55:30,840
that older Crusader ethos, which itself
is heterodox, but that older idea of

1382
01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:40,079
Crusaders is actually given way to the
obsessive Marian apparition reliance. And so the

1383
01:55:40,199 --> 01:55:45,640
modern manifestations of Roman Falsism are almost
completely dominated by Marianism, Marion dogmas,

1384
01:55:45,119 --> 01:55:50,600
and excessive uh Marian worship. Really, and I don't think anybody, I

1385
01:55:50,680 --> 01:55:55,119
mean, I again, my years
in the trad world, I met more

1386
01:55:55,239 --> 01:55:59,640
trads that could tell you about you
know, Fatima and magic gory and all

1387
01:55:59,680 --> 01:56:03,079
this and the nonsense. Then could
tell you what's in scripture. They probably

1388
01:56:03,119 --> 01:56:05,680
couldn't tell you the tank commandments,
but they could tell you everything about you

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01:56:05,720 --> 01:56:09,239
know, Fatoma and Megigorian, all
this nonsense. They don't know what's in

1390
01:56:09,239 --> 01:56:12,760
the Book of John, but they
know about so what. That's a clear

1391
01:56:12,840 --> 01:56:15,880
example to me, right of this
is an aberrant, you know, form

1392
01:56:16,119 --> 01:56:21,119
of delusion. Really, I mean, the the the saints that have really

1393
01:56:21,199 --> 01:56:27,319
been stressed in the last few hundred
years of the Roman Callolic Church are especially

1394
01:56:27,399 --> 01:56:31,800
in the last few decades, saints
that are confirmations of Vatican two. Right,

1395
01:56:31,840 --> 01:56:34,359
I mean, we've got Jose Maria
Scrieva. We've got, you know,

1396
01:56:35,399 --> 01:56:40,199
Mother Terisa. I mean, these
are expressions of the Vatican two religion

1397
01:56:40,279 --> 01:56:45,239
and worldview, and even before them, you have these really historyonic manifestations of

1398
01:56:46,439 --> 01:56:51,560
of the of the feminine, which
from the from the Orthodox perspective. This

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01:56:51,720 --> 01:56:56,840
is a really important point because we
think the experience of the saints is unified.

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01:56:57,399 --> 01:57:02,640
There's not twenty hundred different, thousands
mystical paths that everybody takes that involves

1401
01:57:02,720 --> 01:57:09,840
all this nonsense of like, you
know, Jesus giving people spiritual orgasms.

1402
01:57:09,880 --> 01:57:13,840
I'm not joking, by the way, that's real thing with Teresa Avila.

1403
01:57:15,119 --> 01:57:20,079
You know, Jesus floating around in
the host and telling Fostina Kowalska that she's

1404
01:57:20,119 --> 01:57:24,960
the holiest and most best known in
the world and their bff and boyfriend girlfriend.

1405
01:57:24,960 --> 01:57:28,279
I'm not joking. That's what's in
her revelations. All this nonsense that,

1406
01:57:28,359 --> 01:57:30,279
by the way, you have to
accept. If you're Catholic, you

1407
01:57:30,359 --> 01:57:33,159
believe those things. You know,
Jesus, Jesus carving his name into the

1408
01:57:33,279 --> 01:57:40,039
chest of various saints, and you
know, Jesus giving a circumcision ring to

1409
01:57:40,279 --> 01:57:43,680
one of the women's saints. I
mean it's just nonsense. It's ridiculous.

1410
01:57:44,039 --> 01:57:48,239
It's actually delusion from the Orthodox perspective, because for us, the experience of

1411
01:57:48,359 --> 01:57:54,840
the saints is all the same.
It is a unified experience of the divine

1412
01:57:55,119 --> 01:57:58,800
light, not in the ascaton,
in this life. So for us,

1413
01:57:59,199 --> 01:58:03,560
Moses, Paul, Basil, Palamos, they all have the same experience.

1414
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:10,039
There's no such thing as these crazy
things, right, okay, right,

1415
01:58:10,079 --> 01:58:13,279
which gives it a sort of real
unity. And that's what's the funny thing

1416
01:58:13,319 --> 01:58:18,039
about the when you look at Catholicism, is they have this unity in the

1417
01:58:18,159 --> 01:58:21,880
papacy, or at least submission to
the papers. It's a pseudo unity,

1418
01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:28,800
y pseudo unity, because inside it
they have so much diversity and contention and

1419
01:58:29,359 --> 01:58:33,760
conflict and literally contradictions amongst each other. It makes no sense. It's just

1420
01:58:33,920 --> 01:58:39,720
that we all submit to the papacy. Yeah, there's not a unified faith

1421
01:58:40,239 --> 01:58:45,479
at all. No, the principle
of unity is just the verbal accession and

1422
01:58:45,560 --> 01:58:49,239
knowledge acknowledgment mentally verbally of the pope. That's it. Uh. Literally,

1423
01:58:49,319 --> 01:58:54,479
everything else is all all over the
place. I can't help too. One

1424
01:58:54,520 --> 01:59:00,880
of the things I've been thinking about
is is it feels like Catholicism is magical,

1425
01:59:01,159 --> 01:59:05,319
like they sort of promote a magical
theology and when you look at again,

1426
01:59:05,359 --> 01:59:09,479
I don't know the technical term,
but their concepts of grace. So

1427
01:59:09,600 --> 01:59:13,159
the pope has grace then because of
his grace. Oh, it is in

1428
01:59:13,239 --> 01:59:15,720
fact, it is a technology.
The ex operary operato doctrine is a magical

1429
01:59:15,800 --> 01:59:21,000
doctrine because in the Roman Catholic system, you can be ordained a priest literally

1430
01:59:21,079 --> 01:59:25,079
the next day become a Satanist,
and you can still confect the Eucharus for

1431
01:59:25,119 --> 01:59:28,439
the rest of your life. They
literally think that that's the power of the

1432
01:59:28,520 --> 01:59:30,840
priesthood, which is just preposterous.
And the Orthodox to you that you know,

1433
01:59:31,319 --> 01:59:33,960
if you're outside the church, you
can't confect the Eucharist, right,

1434
01:59:34,079 --> 01:59:36,880
I mean, an aposta can't confect
the ucharsus. You can't even confect the

1435
01:59:36,920 --> 01:59:42,399
Ucharus without the approval of a canonical
bishop. So the idea of this whole,

1436
01:59:42,520 --> 01:59:45,279
you know, it's just ridiculous,
right, And they can do like

1437
01:59:45,680 --> 01:59:50,000
the transubstantiation. The fact that they
can do things on behalf of the people.

1438
01:59:50,960 --> 01:59:55,880
I've been trying to this is why
Satanists and occultists actually try to go

1439
01:59:56,119 --> 02:00:00,520
to Roman Catholic they try to get
I'm not joking, and they try to

1440
02:00:00,600 --> 02:00:03,439
get that priest to ordination because they
think that it is a magical power.

1441
02:00:04,680 --> 02:00:10,840
Well, I think the Catholics as
no institution presented as a magical power.

1442
02:00:11,359 --> 02:00:15,159
Well, it's like a technology,
right, so you control you know what,

1443
02:00:15,359 --> 02:00:16,560
God, You can make God come
into the bread and the wine,

1444
02:00:17,359 --> 02:00:20,560
and you don't even have to have
the faith, right, I mean literally,

1445
02:00:20,600 --> 02:00:24,079
you can be a Satanist the day
you get ordained, and you can

1446
02:00:24,119 --> 02:00:26,880
still confect the Uchers, which is
just for which makes you think. And

1447
02:00:27,079 --> 02:00:30,760
what I mean by it as magical
is that when we perform a liturgical service

1448
02:00:30,800 --> 02:00:34,479
as Orthodox, we ask the Holy
Spirit through a mystery, to come and

1449
02:00:34,560 --> 02:00:39,520
sanctify these gifts on behalf of everybody. The priest is just the head of

1450
02:00:39,600 --> 02:00:44,880
the body of Christ, the parishioners. Where in Catholicism, you know,

1451
02:00:45,000 --> 02:00:48,399
it's it's that the priest does it. He does it on your behalf because

1452
02:00:48,439 --> 02:00:53,359
you know you as a little bit
lower than he is in the world of

1453
02:00:53,439 --> 02:00:57,479
grace and relationship to God, that
he needs to do this for you.

1454
02:00:58,399 --> 02:01:00,279
That there's this, as you say, had a sort of an authority.

1455
02:01:00,359 --> 02:01:03,760
There's this technique, whether he believes
in it or not, he has this

1456
02:01:03,960 --> 02:01:10,960
ability to magically transform the unleavened bread
by the way, which I find demonic

1457
02:01:11,039 --> 02:01:15,439
in itself. I mean, if
Christ's body rose from the dead, and

1458
02:01:15,520 --> 02:01:20,319
the Eucharist is how we participate in
the salvific work of Christ, then the

1459
02:01:20,439 --> 02:01:25,520
bread obviously has to be risen to
some degree because his body roads. That's

1460
02:01:25,560 --> 02:01:30,640
the theology to make it unleavened bread. They want to say that they're doing

1461
02:01:30,680 --> 02:01:33,800
it because the Old test or whatnot. It conflates New Testament theology makes no

1462
02:01:33,960 --> 02:01:40,119
sense. And yeah, it's it's
a very if you eave Metropolitan seraphrom Mapereus's

1463
02:01:40,199 --> 02:01:43,079
list, he lists one of these
lists that has one of the many things

1464
02:01:43,119 --> 02:01:47,800
that can never be accepted by the
Orthodox because it's not Patristic. I mean

1465
02:01:48,000 --> 02:01:50,680
Rome. I mean, there's all
kinds of things like this, like forbidding

1466
02:01:51,119 --> 02:01:55,600
children to have communion. The whole
ancient Church did that, but it's i

1467
02:01:55,680 --> 02:01:59,000
mean, the only only the Orthodox
Church maintains that. So uh, I

1468
02:01:59,039 --> 02:02:02,359
mean these are clear sign of you
know, who the actual consistent Patristic church

1469
02:02:02,520 --> 02:02:09,520
is. And uh, you know, it's just the degree of deception and

1470
02:02:09,640 --> 02:02:14,960
coping and you know, mental gymnastics
that that they have to go to to

1471
02:02:15,359 --> 02:02:18,640
try to make that system work is
I think what drives those people kind of

1472
02:02:18,680 --> 02:02:21,319
crazy. A lot of them become
alcoholics, a lot of them are very

1473
02:02:21,359 --> 02:02:25,960
depressed, a lot of them become
atheists. They just give up because that

1474
02:02:26,159 --> 02:02:29,840
system doesn't get you anywhere. And
and it's because the system itself is a

1475
02:02:29,920 --> 02:02:32,920
problem. Right, It makes total
sense, makes total sense, just like

1476
02:02:33,119 --> 02:02:39,720
this, just like Protestanism or evangelicalism, just different problems. Right. No,

1477
02:02:39,800 --> 02:02:43,199
I totally agree. I totally agree. I'm gonna have to go pretty

1478
02:02:43,239 --> 02:02:46,600
soon, but we have Do you
have time for a few super chats?

1479
02:02:47,000 --> 02:02:50,600
Yea, sure, okay, all
right, thank you so much for for

1480
02:02:51,239 --> 02:02:55,119
stopping here and having this conversation.
I'm sure. Well, by the way,

1481
02:02:55,159 --> 02:02:58,079
I did have a bunch of like
the more of the historical stuff that

1482
02:02:59,439 --> 02:03:01,279
maybe we could a separate one on
that kind of stuff. But like Edward

1483
02:03:01,319 --> 02:03:05,560
Denny's Papalism, I this is a
thousand page book. Ab Geta's book The

1484
02:03:05,640 --> 02:03:11,159
Papacy is kind of a classic on
this too, and so I wouldn't mind.

1485
02:03:11,239 --> 02:03:13,640
You know, maybe down the road
we can do another discussion where we

1486
02:03:13,680 --> 02:03:17,880
get into like the historical examples,
you know, the canon law I've got

1487
02:03:17,960 --> 02:03:23,119
in your I sent you that that
first link. There is a list of

1488
02:03:23,159 --> 02:03:26,760
the canons you know that are contrary
to Let me show a Vatican one.

1489
02:03:28,239 --> 02:03:30,239
So maybe we can do a show
on that stuff. That would be great.

1490
02:03:32,520 --> 02:03:40,039
First super Chat comes from Traditional Culture
Preservation Society. There was in fifteen

1491
02:03:40,079 --> 02:03:43,319
dollars and says hello, I have
been a fan and follower for a while.

1492
02:03:43,359 --> 02:03:46,279
I'd be interested in interviewing you on
my channel about anthropology sometime in the

1493
02:03:46,359 --> 02:03:49,520
near future. Is that okay with
you? That's definitely okay with me.

1494
02:03:49,680 --> 02:03:54,560
Thank you so much, Traditional Culture
Preservation Society. Send me an email at

1495
02:03:54,600 --> 02:03:58,720
Church of the Eternal Logos at gmail
dot com and we can definitely set something

1496
02:03:58,800 --> 02:04:02,600
up. Thank you so much for
yourt oh our good, our good ortho.

1497
02:04:03,159 --> 02:04:08,680
Buddy Chase Haggard throws into super Chat
and says, the Dynamic Diva duo

1498
02:04:09,000 --> 02:04:13,079
at it again. Thanks for all
your hard work. Well, thank you,

1499
02:04:13,319 --> 02:04:17,119
Chase. I know he's a mod
in your discord. Brother the Tristan

1500
02:04:17,399 --> 02:04:25,880
and nephew to Merril Haggard. Orthodoxy
Chloroquin throws into super Chat and says,

1501
02:04:26,000 --> 02:04:30,560
how are we to understand Christ's final
judgment of the wicked when he says,

1502
02:04:30,640 --> 02:04:34,039
quote depart from me, ye accursed
into the fire unquote, et cetera.

1503
02:04:34,840 --> 02:04:42,319
How does this square with eternal torment
being an undesired experience of God's uncreated energies

1504
02:04:42,359 --> 02:04:47,600
when he said depart? All right, so it's not a spatio temporal thing.

1505
02:04:47,680 --> 02:04:51,399
You can't get away from God in
terms of space. It's not like

1506
02:04:51,520 --> 02:04:56,920
there's a place where he's not.
So what is not there is the positive

1507
02:04:57,000 --> 02:05:00,279
experience of God. What is there
is the ill experience of go. So

1508
02:05:00,359 --> 02:05:02,079
this is outline. You just go
read Saint Maximus on it. He covers

1509
02:05:02,119 --> 02:05:06,079
it in detail, ever ill being, ever well being there you go.

1510
02:05:06,319 --> 02:05:10,640
Thank you Orthodox of Chlora Quinn for
your super chat. I greatly appreciate,

1511
02:05:10,760 --> 02:05:15,039
appreciate your support, brother Eric.
Breakbill throws in a super chat and says,

1512
02:05:15,119 --> 02:05:18,359
congrats on reaching nine thousand subs.
Well, thank you very much,

1513
02:05:18,520 --> 02:05:25,680
Eric, I appreciate that slow and
steady. Stevie throws into super chat and

1514
02:05:25,800 --> 02:05:30,000
says, are Jay and David aware
of the ABBA return and their upcoming quote

1515
02:05:30,119 --> 02:05:36,840
magical space circus unquote virtual concert.
It's awfully convenient timing. No I'm not

1516
02:05:36,920 --> 02:05:43,520
familiar you. No, I'll follow
boomer disco bands. But that's pretty cool

1517
02:05:43,560 --> 02:05:46,159
to hear about. I'll check it
out. Thank you so much Stevie for

1518
02:05:46,239 --> 02:05:49,960
the support. The Green Feathers throws
into super Chat and says, thanks for

1519
02:05:50,119 --> 02:05:54,760
another great stream. Well, thank
you Green Feathers for all your support.

1520
02:05:54,840 --> 02:05:59,239
I really appreciate it. Orthodox of
Chlora Quinn throws in a two parter.

1521
02:05:59,520 --> 02:06:02,520
Okay, so we got two part
super chat here. First part is Roman

1522
02:06:02,600 --> 02:06:09,039
Catholicism is really nothing more than papillolatry, or I guess, the idolatry of

1523
02:06:09,079 --> 02:06:14,760
the infallible man enthroned in Vatican City. The papacy has followed Lucifer's proud fall

1524
02:06:14,880 --> 02:06:17,560
from grace by saying quote, I
will place my throne over the bishops of

1525
02:06:17,640 --> 02:06:24,239
the Church. True, I shall
be as God on earth unquote. Instead

1526
02:06:24,279 --> 02:06:28,520
of being the first among equals,
the papacy has unwittingly become the first among

1527
02:06:28,760 --> 02:06:32,279
many forerunners for anti Christ. Great
show, gentlemen, thanks for all you

1528
02:06:32,399 --> 02:06:39,359
do in God bless thanks Orthodoxic chloroquin, great comment, great super chat,

1529
02:06:39,399 --> 02:06:43,680
Thank you for your support. Brother
Links throws into super Chat and says,

1530
02:06:43,840 --> 02:06:51,199
Jay go into spurgatory. All right, Um, I've paid all my sperg

1531
02:06:51,279 --> 02:06:58,560
indulgences, so I'm out of it. What a relief. Panoat throws into

1532
02:06:58,600 --> 02:07:02,159
super Chat and says to Joseph Ferrell
in God History and Dialectic Volume three,

1533
02:07:02,359 --> 02:07:09,600
calls the post schism Western concept of
God the chameleon godhead, which lines up

1534
02:07:09,640 --> 02:07:15,000
perfectly with the manifold confused absolute divine
simple spawns. Yeah. And also,

1535
02:07:15,119 --> 02:07:19,039
I mean, you know, Orthodox
Faith and Life and Christ by Saint Joseph

1536
02:07:19,079 --> 02:07:24,600
Papovitch is really just I mean,
in multiple chapters making the points that David

1537
02:07:24,600 --> 02:07:30,479
and I made tonight. I haven't
read that book. It's a musteret Mattheos

1538
02:07:31,079 --> 02:07:35,680
Salt the Gang throws into super Chat
and says, Greeting's brothers, Jay,

1539
02:07:35,880 --> 02:07:41,239
may I play, please be readmitted
to the discord. God bless you both.

1540
02:07:41,920 --> 02:07:45,720
So I don't know. So we
have a whole bunch of mods.

1541
02:07:46,079 --> 02:07:51,960
We had a bad mod about six
months ago who was intentionally comes subverting and

1542
02:07:53,039 --> 02:07:59,079
deleting people in like a lot of
people to cause problems. So we don't

1543
02:07:59,079 --> 02:08:01,279
have that mod anymore. So I
don't know if he did that, or

1544
02:08:01,439 --> 02:08:03,439
who did that, or what.
But I don't really handle the modding anymore,

1545
02:08:03,600 --> 02:08:07,439
so I don't he'p always asked me
to do this, but I don't

1546
02:08:07,439 --> 02:08:11,560
even know, so I don't know. All right, Well, Chase is

1547
02:08:11,600 --> 02:08:13,600
still a mod in your discord,
right, Yes, Chase can. Yeah,

1548
02:08:13,640 --> 02:08:20,239
so Chase, if you're available,
maybe go back and forth with Mattheossault

1549
02:08:20,319 --> 02:08:26,000
the Gang and see if maybe that
situation can be remedied. Next super Chat

1550
02:08:26,039 --> 02:08:31,359
comes from Storm the Cat and says, Hi, dph and J. If

1551
02:08:31,479 --> 02:08:35,039
Protestants believe in the rapture will happen
before the Anti Christ comes, does that

1552
02:08:35,279 --> 02:08:39,640
mean that they will be tricked and
they will worship the Antichrist? I like

1553
02:08:39,720 --> 02:08:43,439
both of your channels, please pray
for me and my family. Interesting question,

1554
02:08:46,760 --> 02:08:48,680
I mean, well, I mean, I guess if we're in the

1555
02:08:48,800 --> 02:08:52,479
end times, they might end up
tricked and they might not believe when there's

1556
02:08:52,479 --> 02:08:56,039
no rapture. But I don't know
for positive that we are in the end

1557
02:08:56,079 --> 02:09:07,840
times. But if we are,
ye, so yeah, so obviously we

1558
02:09:07,920 --> 02:09:11,359
don't believe in the rapture. I
would say just that doctrine itself is probably

1559
02:09:11,359 --> 02:09:16,920
a spirit of the Antichrist, so
it's true to some degree. Next super

1560
02:09:16,039 --> 02:09:20,239
check comes from Rich, he says, great stream, I still share the

1561
02:09:20,359 --> 02:09:24,800
quote proving God to an atheist video
all the time to introduce people to tag

1562
02:09:26,359 --> 02:09:31,600
Jay. Do you still plan on
making a quick response video directly calling out

1563
02:09:31,800 --> 02:09:37,119
Lofton? No, the reason we
didn't do that is because right after that

1564
02:09:37,439 --> 02:09:41,560
is when Trent wanted to do the
debate. And Trent is just obviously a

1565
02:09:41,680 --> 02:09:46,520
much more quality He's actually a quality
opponent and a person that you know,

1566
02:09:46,600 --> 02:09:50,600
I have actual respect for. So
Trent is somebody that we want to focus

1567
02:09:50,720 --> 02:09:56,079
on. I don't think that Lofton
is even worth anybody's time, really agreed.

1568
02:09:58,640 --> 02:10:01,359
Tatiana throws into super and say,
has been so long since I caught

1569
02:10:01,399 --> 02:10:05,840
a live stream? God bless you
brothers in Christ. Well, thank you

1570
02:10:05,960 --> 02:10:09,720
so much, Tatiana, God bless
you and your family. Next super Chat

1571
02:10:09,800 --> 02:10:13,439
comes from James and he says,
why did Patriarch Krill write the forward to

1572
02:10:13,600 --> 02:10:22,000
Pope Francis's book called Quote Our Mother
Earth and exchange of quote gifts and make

1573
02:10:22,119 --> 02:10:26,039
the Havana declaration with Francis as well? I'm not familiar with those things,

1574
02:10:26,119 --> 02:10:28,600
so feel free. Yeah, I
don't know about the forward to the book.

1575
02:10:30,680 --> 02:10:33,279
I would disagree with that, I
don't know that writing the forward necessarily

1576
02:10:33,359 --> 02:10:37,039
makes your hair toake. If he's
affirming the climate change stuff, I would

1577
02:10:37,039 --> 02:10:41,399
say that's pretty pretty bad news.
And I don't agree with what is in

1578
02:10:41,600 --> 02:10:46,880
the Havanah statement either. Yeah,
I have no idea, but thank James,

1579
02:10:46,920 --> 02:10:50,159
thank you for that. No.
So I think people think too that

1580
02:10:50,399 --> 02:10:56,000
like if an Orthodox bishop does something
bad, then it's the same thing as

1581
02:10:56,039 --> 02:10:58,520
what happens with the pope does.
But I mean, I don't think people

1582
02:10:58,640 --> 02:11:05,560
grasp that the Orthodox Church is decentralized, right, So I'm not like immediately

1583
02:11:07,039 --> 02:11:13,800
destroyed because a patriarch or a metropolitan
or a bishop does something a bat or

1584
02:11:13,840 --> 02:11:18,079
evil. That's not how our church
works. It's a synodal church, so

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there's synods and it's governed to notally. And when there's a synod that you

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02:11:22,159 --> 02:11:26,159
know, deals with those kinds of
scandals or issues, then it's dealt with

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02:11:26,399 --> 02:11:31,239
right. So if there are and
there are right, there's there's canonical procedures

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02:11:31,279 --> 02:11:35,199
for these kinds of things. So
yeah, I mean, again, I

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don't know where these people get the
idea that I mean that half of the

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Orthodox world hates me. I'm not
that the whole Orthodox world even knows who

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I am. And I'm saying that
in America, there's a large percentage of

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02:11:43,800 --> 02:11:46,279
those people that can't stand me,
dislike me, would like to, you

1593
02:11:46,359 --> 02:11:52,319
know, see me not talking about
Orthodoxy or whatever. But that doesn't do

1594
02:11:52,399 --> 02:11:54,760
what I conclude from that old I
guess Orthodoxy is not true because many of

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02:11:54,800 --> 02:11:58,760
these people don't like me, right, or in other words, the truth

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02:11:58,800 --> 02:12:05,840
or falsity of the system is not
going to be dependent on within a decentralized

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02:12:05,840 --> 02:12:09,039
system, this or that bishop doing
this or that wrong. The difference between

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02:12:09,159 --> 02:12:13,359
what we are arguing and the Roman
system is that it's not a decentralized system.

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It's a system that hinges on what
the guy in Rome does. My

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system doesn't hinge on what Carol does, right, exactly. Well, most

1601
02:12:24,680 --> 02:12:28,439
people just have no idea of what
orthodox ecclesiology is, and like, right,

1602
02:12:28,520 --> 02:12:31,560
they think it's just like the pope
and like if the patriarch of Moscow

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02:12:31,800 --> 02:12:35,439
does something bad, then the whole
system falls apart. Like that, it's

1604
02:12:35,479 --> 02:12:39,079
not a papal system, dude,
or maybe they come from the Baptist you

1605
02:12:39,119 --> 02:12:43,239
know, well, you know,
minister so and so is in charge of

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02:12:43,279 --> 02:12:48,319
the church. It must just again
they extrapolate the Catholic ecclesiology to you know,

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02:12:48,479 --> 02:12:52,560
some Protestant form where there's always a
single person in charge. There is

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02:12:52,600 --> 02:12:56,159
no person in charge at Christ.
The priest of priests. He's the only

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02:12:56,199 --> 02:13:00,159
person in charge of the church.
He's the head of the church. That's

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02:13:00,199 --> 02:13:03,520
why we have no vicar is.
This is a good thing. This is

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02:13:05,039 --> 02:13:11,279
a firewall because the whole system can't
be tainted and disrupted and ruined by one

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02:13:11,399 --> 02:13:16,039
dude, and that Rome can't.
Right. So if an Orthodox bishop or

1613
02:13:16,239 --> 02:13:22,000
a priest that I'm under goes into
heresy, the great thing about multiple jurisdictions

1614
02:13:22,119 --> 02:13:28,079
is that Lord willing, I can
find another one. Right, is human

1615
02:13:28,119 --> 02:13:31,560
milk Vegan throws into superchat with no
comment, Thank you very much? Is

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02:13:31,640 --> 02:13:37,239
human milk Vegan for the support and
orthodox of Chloroquin throws in another super chat,

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02:13:37,319 --> 02:13:41,439
thank you very much, brother,
And he says when Catholicism supposedly says

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02:13:41,560 --> 02:13:46,399
quote I believe in one Holy Catholic
and Apostolic Church unquote, what it really

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02:13:46,520 --> 02:13:52,239
means is I believe in one supreme, infallible and Roman pontiff unquote extra papum

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02:13:52,479 --> 02:14:01,640
nola sulis Catholicism is an exact ecclesiological
heresy absolutely, and that does all the

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02:14:01,720 --> 02:14:05,039
super chats. So brother, thank
you so much for coming on and sharing

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02:14:05,079 --> 02:14:09,399
your wisdom with us. I guarantee
you, uh, this will be insightful

1623
02:14:09,479 --> 02:14:11,760
for a lot of people who watch. This covered a lot of ground and

1624
02:14:11,840 --> 02:14:16,359
hit on a lot of the heresies
and the evils. Well, we need

1625
02:14:16,479 --> 02:14:18,279
to also get into, you know, the history and the cannons, because

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02:14:18,439 --> 02:14:22,319
I'm sure I can already tell whether
on mcallis you're gonna tell you oh,

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they didn't even talk about the history. What about the quotes and the councils

1628
02:14:26,199 --> 02:14:28,479
to say, hope superre I'm ready
to deal with those in any But by

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02:14:28,479 --> 02:14:31,680
the way, again, for the
people who want a really detailed account of

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02:14:31,760 --> 02:14:35,960
those things, Ubi Petris has done
multiple videos. We've been you know,

1631
02:14:37,079 --> 02:14:39,239
promoting and working with UBI for uh, you know, over a year,

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02:14:41,000 --> 02:14:45,600
and and go over to ubi's channel
and you can find specific places all of

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02:14:45,720 --> 02:14:48,600
those things that are addressed, you
know, all the stuff that lofton that

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02:14:48,680 --> 02:14:52,720
a Barro brings up, they're all
addressed in detail in Ubie's videos. And

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02:14:52,840 --> 02:14:56,319
so I'm happy to also address them, which you know, I will get

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to you know, in the future
when we do a you know, discussion

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02:14:58,800 --> 02:15:03,720
on Denny's book. But whatever,
Amen to that man. Thank you so

1638
02:15:03,880 --> 02:15:07,000
much for all the work you do. You put out so much content,

1639
02:15:07,079 --> 02:15:11,000
whether it be info Wars, your
channel, rock fin your website, hustling,

1640
02:15:11,239 --> 02:15:15,439
hustling, and I'm trying to work
in a similar manner, so I

1641
02:15:15,520 --> 02:15:20,119
definitely respect the hustle. Most people
don't realize how much effort it takes to

1642
02:15:20,159 --> 02:15:22,880
create content and do this type of
work. Yeah, you get to make

1643
02:15:22,880 --> 02:15:26,680
your own schedule, but it's not
easy. You work literally way more than

1644
02:15:26,720 --> 02:15:30,560
a nine to five. It's all
day long. And so thank you man

1645
02:15:30,720 --> 02:15:33,640
for so much of what you do. Everything you do. Shout out to

1646
02:15:33,760 --> 02:15:37,479
Jamie, Thank you both for all
your guys's work. Thanks for coming on

1647
02:15:37,479 --> 02:15:41,479
and I really appreciate everything. Is
anything you'd like to say before hopping off

1648
02:15:41,520 --> 02:15:46,960
here? No, thank you,
glad to be here. Congrats on nine

1649
02:15:48,039 --> 02:15:52,560
k and hopefully, you know,
if everybody would, if you're not subscribed

1650
02:15:52,560 --> 02:15:54,319
to me, coming on my channel
too, and I'll be you know,

1651
02:15:54,359 --> 02:15:58,520
hopefully we can hit the hundred k
pretty soon. I get that give you

1652
02:15:58,600 --> 02:16:01,720
little play button thing. There you
go. Yeah, I'll have your channel

1653
02:16:01,760 --> 02:16:07,600
in the description, but I'm sure
everybody knows your stuff. I'm sure almost

1654
02:16:07,640 --> 02:16:11,520
everybody in this live chat's probably subscribed
to both of us. So anyways,

1655
02:16:11,560 --> 02:16:13,159
man, thank you so much.
Shout out to Mikhail, King of Kings,

1656
02:16:13,199 --> 02:16:16,159
throws in a super chat right at
the end with no comment. Thank

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02:16:16,199 --> 02:16:18,039
you very very much.