WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:10.480 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys are your favorites, 2 00:00:10.880 --> 00:00:19.480 so like say subscribe and rade it five star and me just go on yes 3 00:00:19.600 --> 00:00:28.879 today listening watching lim always keep its watching. And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman 4 00:00:29.120 --> 00:00:33.119 and James Bubo Fay. Okay, well, without much left to do, 5 00:00:33.159 --> 00:00:35.840 why don't we bring in our guests today? This is an exciting thing for 6 00:00:35.920 --> 00:00:39.679 us. A few weeks ago, I think a member, right, Bobo, 7 00:00:39.679 --> 00:00:41.560 a member said hey, have you ever heard of this band? We 8 00:00:41.560 --> 00:00:44.119 looked them up and we said, why haven't we heard of this band? 9 00:00:44.640 --> 00:00:46.920 I heard of him? You had heard of him? Really? Where did 10 00:00:46.920 --> 00:00:50.399 you hear about him? They've been around for a long time. Well, 11 00:00:50.439 --> 00:00:51.960 I had never heard of them. But you know me, man, my 12 00:00:52.159 --> 00:00:56.280 my head is in the sands as far as like media things go. Now, 13 00:00:56.359 --> 00:00:58.079 I'm gonna have to put you on the spot. Are you aware of 14 00:00:58.119 --> 00:01:00.200 there? Did you know neither song? Bobo? Where you just heard that 15 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:03.040 there was a band? I mean I checked them out. I seen like 16 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:08.120 there are artwork of their albums and like the titles of the songs, and 17 00:01:08.760 --> 00:01:12.640 you know, I liked it. They have They always had really cool stuff. 18 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:15.400 Well, yeah, they clearly have the right vibe. Otherwise it wouldn't 19 00:01:15.439 --> 00:01:19.120 be on our show today. So well, of course when I say they, 20 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:22.480 I mean one of these guys. Yeah, today we have the singer 21 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:27.000 Dash, Growler, Dash, screamer Dash, Whooper Dash Dash vocalist vocalizer for 22 00:01:27.079 --> 00:01:32.439 the band Trogladite. So, Jeff Sisson, thank you so much for coming 23 00:01:32.439 --> 00:01:34.719 on Bigfoot and Beyond and sharing your your beautiful tunes with this. I think 24 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:38.000 you are my new favorite band, even though I've never heard one of your 25 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:41.879 songs. Well, thank you. That's that's that's quite a send up. 26 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:46.319 That's I appreciate that. And you know, listen, you know it's uh, 27 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:51.040 it's it's pretty extreme, I say the least. Yeah, I mean 28 00:01:51.040 --> 00:01:53.359 it's not for everybody. I get that. It's for almost everybody, though, 29 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:56.719 I'm sure. Well, I'll tell you if you are, if you're 30 00:01:56.719 --> 00:01:59.680 a fan of death metal and Bigfoot, then we are definitely for you. 31 00:02:00.879 --> 00:02:04.480 Yeah. It's kind of the main two, like the main two ingredients of 32 00:02:04.519 --> 00:02:07.360 this recipe, isn't it. Yeah? Pretty much. I mean I can 33 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:13.039 remember thinking like kind of coming up with the idea to do something like this 34 00:02:13.199 --> 00:02:16.479 and thinking, uh, there were a few niche bands. The bands they 35 00:02:16.520 --> 00:02:22.240 took this, uh the genre of like extreme music, and they like there's 36 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:25.280 a band called Nile and all they sing about is very Egyptian themed stuff. 37 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:29.919 So uh, and there's a few bands like that, and uh, I 38 00:02:29.960 --> 00:02:34.360 can honestly say it's like, uh, I had never heard of a bigfoot 39 00:02:34.439 --> 00:02:36.879 death metal band. Yeah, I can't say I have either. What about 40 00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:40.439 you, Bobo, you got a corner on the market then, yeah, 41 00:02:40.479 --> 00:02:46.000 I mean I don't know what kind of corner. It's a pretty very small 42 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:50.080 corner, you know. So but yeah, you know, and I you 43 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:53.759 know, I came from like this weird world of like you know, when 44 00:02:53.759 --> 00:02:55.800 I was a kid, I was absolutely fascinated by this stuff. So it 45 00:02:55.879 --> 00:03:00.479 was a it was a try, you know, venturing into music and coming 46 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:04.560 up with what are we going to do? And it didn't take a lot 47 00:03:04.680 --> 00:03:07.560 to come up with this, honestly. So, I mean I guess in 48 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:13.479 forethought, it's you would think you'd run out of material eventually, So no 49 00:03:13.639 --> 00:03:15.599 way, no, not even close, Like how could you? Right, 50 00:03:16.199 --> 00:03:19.680 Well, that's just it. It's like, you know, that's what Pete. 51 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:22.719 That's the first thing people say. It's like it's all Bigfoot. It's 52 00:03:22.759 --> 00:03:27.000 like there's two songs that aren't aren't about Bigfoot. That's too too many. 53 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:30.199 Well, and you know the funny The funny thing is those the two songs 54 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:37.719 are literally like two seconds long and they're the same song, just with different 55 00:03:37.800 --> 00:03:42.400 names. One and a half song. Well, that's okay, because I 56 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:44.960 mean in my own life, I find that I have to have balance, 57 00:03:45.319 --> 00:03:49.479 right, and ninety nine and a half percent of my life has seems to 58 00:03:49.520 --> 00:03:52.120 be a Bigfoot centric so I do have to have balance as well, so 59 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:54.719 I can understand a song and a half that isn't about Bigfoot being appreciated by 60 00:03:54.759 --> 00:03:58.759 you guys. Well, I mean, you know, it's there's so many 61 00:03:59.439 --> 00:04:00.960 you know, you look at it on the surface, it's like, okay, 62 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:03.280 well you know, what are you going to say about you know, 63 00:04:03.319 --> 00:04:06.599 it's like, well, you know, there's because there is there's so much 64 00:04:08.120 --> 00:04:11.800 material to kind of mine from for lack of a better word, you know, 65 00:04:12.039 --> 00:04:16.040 So that's when you start, really because I know i'd shared I messaged 66 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:20.720 j Bobo yesterday and I couldn't remember. I had assumed that, you know, 67 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:25.600 you came across to some some way and I'd shared like our band camp 68 00:04:25.720 --> 00:04:29.560 link which you can see all the ridiculous artwork and the songs, and it's 69 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:31.240 like, I mean, you start digging into some of this stuff, it 70 00:04:31.279 --> 00:04:35.160 gets kind of you know, if you're you're a bigfoot metal band, that's 71 00:04:35.160 --> 00:04:39.040 one thing. But when you start getting into stuff like I got a song 72 00:04:39.079 --> 00:04:43.279 called Mummified Yetty Hand And I'm pretty sure you guys know exactly what I'm talking 73 00:04:43.319 --> 00:04:47.600 about when I say that things exactly, So, I mean it's a little 74 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:51.160 obscure, but you know, again, I'm in that world. You know, 75 00:04:51.199 --> 00:04:55.800 I'm keeping it inside that world. You know, I take some liberties 76 00:04:55.839 --> 00:04:59.399 with stuff, you know, certain things obviously at times. But like we 77 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:02.160 wrote a song called Oregon Trail, which was I think at the time, 78 00:05:02.199 --> 00:05:08.160 my little dude was really into that video game. Like they kind of reissued 79 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:13.480 this like crazy looking handheld version of it for kids, and you know, 80 00:05:13.639 --> 00:05:15.959 I just kind of added, you know, there was you know, You've 81 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:18.040 died of dysentery, you know, the various things, and I added one 82 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:23.519 of them was big Foot eight my legs. Yeah, that was strangely missing 83 00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:27.480 from the original game of h Absolutely, I feel like it was definitely a 84 00:05:27.519 --> 00:05:31.720 real threat. You guys must a lot pretty hard to put, like write 85 00:05:31.720 --> 00:05:36.439 in these songs. It's honestly again, like I sit down when I close 86 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:40.800 my eyes and it's like, you know, I work with some pretty amazing 87 00:05:40.879 --> 00:05:46.240 musicians, and probably the way we work most is like they'll be jamming some 88 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:47.959 music. They'll come up with a riff or a song idea, and they'll 89 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:53.439 play it for me and we'll kind of demo it out for lack of a 90 00:05:53.439 --> 00:05:55.879 better word, and they'll give it to me and that I'll use that as 91 00:05:55.879 --> 00:05:59.959 a template to write the song against. You know. So when I'm doing 92 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:04.040 it, I'm pretty siloed, you know, Like the guys are like kind 93 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:06.879 of waiting for me to come back and like, all right, what do 94 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:11.079 you got? You know. So that's when I come up. You know, 95 00:06:11.079 --> 00:06:14.120 it's like all right, well this one, you know, I think 96 00:06:14.120 --> 00:06:15.680 we're gonna go, and I will. I'll come up with like the most 97 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:20.879 Like on the last album we did, I did a song called found Guilty 98 00:06:20.879 --> 00:06:25.240 in a wrong full death lawsuit for shooting a man wearing a big book costume. 99 00:06:26.480 --> 00:06:29.560 That's a catchy title. Yeah, it rolls off the tongue. I 100 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:34.079 can't believe I actually got it out without dropping the ball on it. As 101 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:38.759 I said, I like the murderous five pedal hominin rampage. Yeah. I 102 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:42.360 mean, like I said, my thinking was too, if I'm gonna write 103 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:46.439 this stuff, I have to at least I have to make good on it. 104 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:51.079 You know, I can't just be lobbing things out that if somebody was 105 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:56.079 to call me to the mat on, I can stand behind it. You 106 00:06:56.120 --> 00:06:59.319 know. It's like, no, that's a real thing, dude. Sometimes 107 00:06:59.319 --> 00:07:03.800 there's certain things, just like I think back to watching you know, obviously 108 00:07:03.959 --> 00:07:10.199 Legend of Boggie Creek, or the one that really got me was Mysterious Monsters, 109 00:07:10.519 --> 00:07:15.160 and that's the one that Man, there's probably a good ninety percent of 110 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:19.560 our material was mine just from a watching a viewing of that movie because there's 111 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:24.879 so much going on in there, and especially in the big it's really kind 112 00:07:24.879 --> 00:07:27.720 of scary. You know. It's like those creepy sun Classic movies. I 113 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:31.319 always thought they were kind of marketed for families and I don't know, and 114 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:34.680 you know, when I was, you know, little, it was like 115 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:39.399 in seeing that commercial for Legend of Boggie Creek, which is a rated G 116 00:07:39.639 --> 00:07:41.959 movie, I mean, I couldn't. To me, I was like I 117 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:44.399 don't know, man, that looks pretty scary to me. I mean, 118 00:07:44.399 --> 00:07:47.120 that looks really scary, especially when you're a little kid, you know. 119 00:07:48.519 --> 00:07:55.079 But there was definitely an intrigue about it, and yeah, I get asked, 120 00:07:55.279 --> 00:07:57.480 and I'm sure you know, you guys get to ask this a lot 121 00:07:57.519 --> 00:07:59.519 too. You know. It's like, you know, you guys, you 122 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:03.439 know, do you believe you know what? You know? You obviously there's 123 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:05.480 something going on there, and it's like, yeah, you know, and 124 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:09.399 I kind of like I try not to push it either way. I like 125 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:13.079 kind of like part of my thing was it's like that idea that there could 126 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:18.639 be something that really exists just beyond the tree line that we can't see, 127 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:24.879 or that somebody has seen or they'll discover tomorrow, or like that that curiosity 128 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:28.519 of like when you're younger and you know, trying to find these things, 129 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:33.559 and that to me was always a spark. You know, that was the 130 00:08:33.639 --> 00:08:39.759 truth arc of it. I'm obviously pretty ate up with sostquatch in general, 131 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:43.559 so I just took it one step further and it just seemed like a good 132 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:46.559 and you know, and we wear masks and we've got this like crazy you 133 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:50.320 know, I'm not going to say it's real crazy. It was just but 134 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:52.200 you know, it was just we did some things, and coming from a 135 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:54.679 marketing background, it's like, well, what else can we do to really 136 00:08:54.759 --> 00:08:58.039 draw people in? You know, It's like, we'll come up and I 137 00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:03.000 do special effects for movies. So it was a no brainer for me to 138 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:07.240 be able to design masks and kind of a costume that we wear that's kind 139 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:13.639 of this very ambiguous like creepy faces that are up on the stage. Do 140 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:16.600 you guys have to attract bigfoot witnesses that like eyewitnesses that kind of your show 141 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:22.960 I want to like talk to you. Yes, yes, and it's again 142 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:28.120 it is it is so And again, I don't profess to be an expert 143 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:33.799 by any means other than of ridiculousness. I'm definitely an expert on that sou 144 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:39.200 But it is really interesting to me to be able to have the opportunity to 145 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:45.399 meet these people and hear about their experiences and how genuinely moved these people are. 146 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:48.759 And I know you know exactly what I'm talking about, you know, 147 00:09:48.080 --> 00:09:52.480 because you know there's a certain percent of the people that they're not going to 148 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:58.200 believe. But it is really interesting to have an opportunity to meet a lot 149 00:09:58.240 --> 00:10:03.559 of these people and the fan and kind of bring them the worlds together a 150 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:07.720 little bit. You know, I love death metal and you guys, Oh 151 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:11.320 my gosh. When I was a kid and I lived just outside of Portland, 152 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:15.200 one time we saw something molested in our dog out back of the you 153 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:18.200 know, the shit you know or whatever, and it's it's it's interesting. 154 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:24.159 I mean, it really is truly a phenomena like nothing else that I've ever 155 00:10:24.279 --> 00:10:26.759 encountered in my life. What about your band Mites? Were they were they 156 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:31.440 in the squad stuff for was it just kind of like just they just go 157 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:33.759 along with you? The inception of all this. So I was living in 158 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:37.159 I live in the in Kansas City. That's where my home is now, 159 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:41.240 and that's where I was from at the time. I was I'm pretty sure 160 00:10:41.279 --> 00:10:46.720 I was living out in LA I was working on some pretty no budget films, 161 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:50.360 doing monsters and the blood and guts and stuff, and I had this 162 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:56.279 idea about doing I'd watched this movie called The Pit, and which isn't necessarily 163 00:10:56.320 --> 00:11:00.759 a bigfoot film by any stretch of the imagination. It's at all. It's 164 00:11:00.759 --> 00:11:05.679 about this little little boy that he finds a hole in the ground and there 165 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:11.519 just happens to be these three troglodytes, these cave things living in the hole, 166 00:11:11.039 --> 00:11:13.960 and he takes people that he doesn't like and he pushes them into the 167 00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:20.320 pit. Yeah, as one does. Absolutely, And I just thought that 168 00:11:20.480 --> 00:11:24.840 name was so like Troglodyte. That what a great name. That's a great 169 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:28.759 name. Like why isn't there a band called Troglodyte. Somebody had told me. 170 00:11:28.799 --> 00:11:31.240 It's like, you'll never have a great band if it doesn't have three 171 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:37.279 syllables, you know, it's like aerosi. Oh okay, okay, troglodyte. 172 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:39.480 Oh yeah, yeah that works. That works. But so I've watched 173 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:45.240 that movie and then very close together I saw another movie called Knight of the 174 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:50.440 Demon, which is kind of this lost Bigfoot movie that is just operating on 175 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:58.039 another plane. I mean it is the silliest, craziest, most bizarre thing 176 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:00.960 ever. And it just hit me right there. It was like, man, 177 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:03.159 I need to do a if I'm gonna do this band thing or give 178 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:07.440 it a go, this is I think what I want to do. And 179 00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:11.320 uh, I called my buddy. I had a really good friend of mine, 180 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:16.919 Chris Wilson, and he played drums very he was really musically inclined, 181 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:18.200 and I kind of sold it to him. I said, what do you 182 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:22.559 think about doing this? And it was a hard sell, Like what was 183 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:26.360 his resistance about this? I think the whole I could because I sold it. 184 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:28.080 All right, here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna I'm gonna make 185 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:31.919 masks. All right, We're all gonna kind of wear the same mask, 186 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:35.279 but it's gonna make us look really creepy, and we're gonna sing songs and 187 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:37.080 it's gonna be like death metal, but it's all gonna be about Bigfoot. 188 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:41.480 And it was just like, what are we doing? What do you want 189 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:43.600 to do? So it was a little bit of a hard sell at first, 190 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:46.399 so I said, you know, I said, I tell you what, 191 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:50.879 Let's do this. We roped in a couple other guys to kind of 192 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:56.440 round out the band. I said, let's do this. Let's let's work 193 00:12:56.440 --> 00:13:01.159 on write and some songs. If the songs stink, everything else is doesn't 194 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:05.120 matter, okay, So let's work on writing some at least in this genre 195 00:13:05.159 --> 00:13:09.559 of music. Let's try to make something that people that we know that people 196 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:13.480 that like this are going to love it. I remember saying, think about 197 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:16.679 it like an onion, like and the more you peel away, the more 198 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:22.080 you find right. So they because obviously you're going to hear the music, 199 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:26.320 and then you find out it's like wait a minute, they're singing wait or 200 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:31.840 singing about big everything's about Bigfoot, okay, and they're wearing masks. What's 201 00:13:31.879 --> 00:13:35.679 going on? So it's like the more you get into it, you know 202 00:13:35.720 --> 00:13:39.039 you're kind of it's again coming from a marketing world, this is like marketing 203 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:41.480 one on one. What can you do to keep pulling people in, keep 204 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:45.759 them back coming back for more. So we worked really hard on the first 205 00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:48.399 set of songs that we pushed out, and then once we got that stuff 206 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:52.759 and we thought that, okay, we're really comfortable with this, let's kind 207 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:56.000 of start rolling some of these other pieces in. Let's put on these masks. 208 00:13:56.039 --> 00:14:00.879 And we went out we played these songs and we didn't and it was 209 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:05.159 just like no interaction with the crowd. It was like song song, song, 210 00:14:05.320 --> 00:14:07.879 song song, and then we were done. We just walked off and 211 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:13.799 the idea was like what just happened? Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond 212 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:24.080 with Cliff and Bogo we'll be right back after these messages. The Trouble Bands 213 00:14:24.159 --> 00:14:26.480 kicked off in what year? It looks like your first album came out in 214 00:14:26.519 --> 00:14:30.080 maybe two thousand and eight, is that right? We had started playing and 215 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:33.360 writing material. I believe it was in late two thousand and five, and 216 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:37.879 into two thousand and six, we were working on stuff pretty pretty regularly, 217 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:43.399 and you know, we weren't playing shows. We were just working on songs. 218 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:50.720 And then once I feel like we did some demos and I feel like 219 00:14:50.919 --> 00:14:56.120 Welcome to Boggy Creek I think we put out. It came out in two 220 00:14:56.159 --> 00:15:00.679 thoy and eleven. I think was when we actually released that one our first 221 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:03.279 studio. I happened to be looking at metal archives dot Com and look, 222 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:07.120 yet, I do see that Welcome to the Boggy Creek is twenty eleven, 223 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:11.559 and then above that it says Anthropoid Efigy Demos, which is a demo. 224 00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:13.799 I guess it's not a fun Yeah, we were, yeah, yeah, 225 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:18.200 that was the original set of songs that we'd kind of written and we recorded, 226 00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:22.919 and I just wasn't ever really totally happy with that. So that's why 227 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:26.440 it never got put out. Let's put that aside. Let's keep working on 228 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:31.679 other stuff. And that's what we did, and a lot of those songs 229 00:15:31.759 --> 00:15:33.720 ended up on Welcome to Boggie Creek. And it's funny. Over the years 230 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:41.120 we went back to that demos and we've re recorded and added stuff to newer 231 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:43.000 albums. I said, I think we can. I think we can get 232 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:46.919 it dialed in just a little more. And when by the time we got 233 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:50.799 all the tracks together for Boggie Creek, we were really firing on all cylinders, 234 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:56.440 all all Bigfoot cylinders, so to speak. So fantastic. So certainly 235 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:00.879 not all of your inspiration comes from you know, those early seventies movies and 236 00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:04.759 the schlock stuff in the seventies. Have you done You must have done reading, 237 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:07.039 because you aren't going to pick up pan busche hand or something like that 238 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:11.879 from one of these the nineteen seventies documentaries. Really, I mean, I 239 00:16:11.879 --> 00:16:15.559 know what was in there, But where does the Bigfoot information come from? 240 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:18.360 Is it just online searching or is it a books that you read? Yeah, 241 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:22.120 lots of books, man, I've got I've got some crazy books that 242 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:29.159 Again, being kind of having a foot in the special effects world, I 243 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:33.840 can sculpt and do things of that nature. There's a guy here in Missouri. 244 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:37.320 I was fortunate enough his names. He's a paleo artist named Gary Stop 245 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:45.559 and for lack of a better he makes dinosaurs and he one of the more 246 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:52.279 recent things he did a megalodon for the Smithsonian, that life sized megalodon that 247 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:57.720 it's hanging above. It's in the restaurant. But that's kind of what he's 248 00:16:57.759 --> 00:17:03.919 known for. And I know, working with him, he was totally fascinated 249 00:17:03.919 --> 00:17:04.839 by the stuff I was doing, and he was like, Hey, have 250 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:08.079 you read this book or what about this book? You know, and coming 251 00:17:08.119 --> 00:17:11.240 across people that are like, hey, there's a really cool big footbook. 252 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:18.039 You know, not necessarily just nonfiction, but fiction books and stories and stuff 253 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:21.240 of that nature. I try to do, you know, I try to 254 00:17:21.279 --> 00:17:22.720 put in the effort, you know, as well as I do. There's 255 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:30.720 there is a whole world of things floating out there to dig into. You 256 00:17:30.759 --> 00:17:34.519 have the song Caught on super eight oh yeah, yeah, yeah, which 257 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:38.160 which is a little a little misleading, I guess, because caught on sixteen 258 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:42.039 millimeter doesn't really have the ring that I wanted. Okay, I was gonna 259 00:17:42.079 --> 00:17:45.680 check it on that see. Yeah, but I appreciate that you're keeping me 260 00:17:45.720 --> 00:17:51.400 honest there. Yeah, but Bobo is the official Bigfoot fact checker of all 261 00:17:51.680 --> 00:17:55.240 metal bands. By the way, No, I mean yeah, you know, 262 00:17:55.680 --> 00:17:59.759 caught on sixteen millimeter. This wasn't rolling for me. But yeah, 263 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:03.359 the most part, that's yeah, absolutely, I mean you know exactly what 264 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:07.319 I'm talking about when you read through that, you know, I'm I mean, 265 00:18:07.319 --> 00:18:12.640 I think even in the the lyrics, I I call it out pretty 266 00:18:12.759 --> 00:18:18.559 pretty hard. I mentioned Bob Gamblin Patterson. I mean, that's that's what 267 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:21.079 I'm saying about. I mean, you know, it's like, yeah, 268 00:18:21.119 --> 00:18:23.400 I just you know, try to find an interesting angle to take with it. 269 00:18:23.759 --> 00:18:29.200 Do you have a song about Ape Canyon? I don't. You don't. 270 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:32.319 Did you know this is the one hundred year anniversary of the a Canion 271 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:34.440 event. This might be a good opportunity for you to. I don't know 272 00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:38.400 if you can hear that Cliff that is the feverish writing of this pencil to 273 00:18:38.440 --> 00:18:41.599 this pad. I can hear that. I can hear. I can also 274 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:45.920 hear you think, so be careful with what Yeah. No, no, 275 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:48.799 that's one that I haven't ventured into. Well. Yeah, the one hundred 276 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:52.920 year anniversary is on July tenth of this year, twenty twenty four, and 277 00:18:53.319 --> 00:18:56.920 this is a great opportunity for you to kick that one out out of that 278 00:18:56.000 --> 00:19:00.359 of that pen that you're scrolling with at this moment. So perfect. I 279 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:03.640 love it. I mean, yeah, there's nothing that uh I think there's 280 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:07.240 and you know, I know there's a lot of other stories to be told, 281 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:11.160 but yeah, it's it's funny how there's things that I come across there, 282 00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:14.839 like, uh, there's a crippled foot cast. Uh huh. I 283 00:19:14.880 --> 00:19:19.160 mean I'm obviously referring to again going back to something where I always think back 284 00:19:19.400 --> 00:19:25.920 to Grover Krantz and holding up the uh, the plaster foot cast and pointing 285 00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:30.920 out this like whole uh you know anomaly that these bones and this. I 286 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:33.319 mean, you know who on earth would write a song called crippled foot cast? 287 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:41.839 Gush? I am, I am, I'm that's I appreciate that. 288 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:45.759 I mean, you know if you I mean, I don't know if you 289 00:19:45.759 --> 00:19:49.400 could, if you dig into this stuff. It's like I'm gonna because I 290 00:19:49.400 --> 00:19:52.200 I really did. I tried to do my homework. It's like I say, 291 00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:59.319 crippled foot cast with dermal ridges captured in hydrocl impressions a malformation, a 292 00:19:59.400 --> 00:20:03.359 skewed foot condition, a thousand footprints left behind in the snow. There actually 293 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:07.039 were no dermal ridges in the cripple Foot cast, and it was casting Blaster 294 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:11.039 of Paris, not hydra Hell. And I'm so sorry about that. But 295 00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:12.799 again, you've come on big with them beyond I think to have us fact 296 00:20:12.839 --> 00:20:18.799 checked you yes, and you have to because you know. And also is 297 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:21.279 with any movie or music, you know, you've got a little bit of 298 00:20:21.319 --> 00:20:25.920 suspension of disbelief. Of course, yeah, some artistic liberty perhaps, right, 299 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:29.599 definitely, but the fact that you know, again, I'm trying to 300 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:33.960 think when you know, I can't remember a lot of you know, and 301 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:37.759 I'm a big music fan all around, but I can't remember hearing a lot 302 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:41.279 of songs where anyone's singing about dermal ridges. Does the Ameron have anything? 303 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:45.720 Yeah, yeah, I think yeah, Yamaron has one, you know, 304 00:20:45.759 --> 00:20:49.440 the great Tom Yamaron, the big footballadre. I think you've I do not. 305 00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:55.119 I really hope that there's going to be an exchange of information. Oh 306 00:20:55.200 --> 00:20:57.880 yeah, well, well I've planned is bad with him. We'll let you 307 00:20:57.920 --> 00:21:02.880 open for us sometimes go to get It's kind of like folk rock, bigfoot 308 00:21:02.920 --> 00:21:06.000 folk rock. He's the Bob Dillan, a Bigfoot. I think if you're 309 00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:10.480 looking to clear out a crowd, we are definitely the band to get This 310 00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:14.960 sounds like a challenge, sounds like a wonderful opportunity for an introvert like myself. 311 00:21:15.079 --> 00:21:18.519 You know, I've got you know, we've gotten these opportunities like where 312 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:25.480 I'll get these messages from different Hey we're having this. You know, we're 313 00:21:25.480 --> 00:21:29.359 having a like a conference. Yeah, these different collections of people where they 314 00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:32.440 get these get togethers, and so we'll say, hey, we're doing this, 315 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:36.440 and then we're you have any interest for your band, like maybe playing? 316 00:21:36.480 --> 00:21:41.400 And I'm thinking, did you guys like listen? I appreciate that, 317 00:21:42.079 --> 00:21:45.839 but I said, I don't know if we're the band for you. I 318 00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:49.119 really don't. We're pretty niche too. It's interesting. I just think it's 319 00:21:49.119 --> 00:21:56.440 funny. But you know, you know, once somebody I was telling another 320 00:21:56.519 --> 00:21:59.279 guy that was a buddy of mine, I was talking to you today. 321 00:21:59.799 --> 00:22:03.960 He happens to be the troglodyte lawyer. And because you know we need one, 322 00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:07.440 well, I think most lawyers are troglodites. Honestly, I got to 323 00:22:07.480 --> 00:22:11.759 tell you he's a chip is a pretty pretty straight shooter with upper management written 324 00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:15.279 all over him. So, but we were just talking, you know, 325 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:18.759 we're talking. It's like we it's funny, like how you were saying, 326 00:22:18.759 --> 00:22:23.279 how Bobo said, we were totally not off your radar, but you knew 327 00:22:23.599 --> 00:22:27.559 that we existed. But we're we've been very organic how people find this. 328 00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:32.319 We don't have an advertising budget. We don't have you know, we're not 329 00:22:33.319 --> 00:22:38.119 aggressively promoting ourselves, you know, so it's real interesting that people have found 330 00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:42.000 us. It's probably not you know, if you're a band and you're looking 331 00:22:42.039 --> 00:22:48.039 for some measure of fame or getting out to the masses, it's not the 332 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:51.640 best way to go about it. No, No, I disagree, because 333 00:22:51.640 --> 00:22:53.559 you're a big foot band and therefore you should be a little hard to find. 334 00:22:56.079 --> 00:23:00.559 Exactly. Making ourselves a little elusive is not a bad thing. Like, 335 00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:03.279 I don't think it's a bad thing at all. I mean, some 336 00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:06.640 might argue that with you, and it can be detrimental to what you're trying 337 00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:10.599 to do if you're wanting to achieve a certain like you want to get your 338 00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:12.880 word out. But no, Cliff, I totally agree with that. When 339 00:23:12.920 --> 00:23:18.200 you open up our music in a CD or there's no pictures of us, 340 00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:22.759 there's nothing. It's very scant information, you know, it's purposeful. We 341 00:23:22.759 --> 00:23:26.880 wear masks like I created these masks, and we all kind of wear the 342 00:23:26.920 --> 00:23:32.240 same kind of mask. It's kind of taking the the uniqueness away from the 343 00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:37.079 individual. I remember watching bands play and the guy I was standing next to 344 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:40.759 saying something about, oh man, he's got on a SO and so shirt. 345 00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:44.480 I love that band. And how distracted people become when they're watching these 346 00:23:44.519 --> 00:23:47.799 bands play, you know, And I thought, well, if I make 347 00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:49.720 us all we're all wearing the same mask, and we're wearing the same black 348 00:23:49.799 --> 00:23:55.960 shirts, and we look at this very ambiguous look. That's just kind of 349 00:23:56.640 --> 00:24:00.119 but scary, you know again, not putting everything out on the table, 350 00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:03.839 not playing all, you know, not playing all of our cards, kind 351 00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:08.480 of keeping a little bit of mystery, not you know, not really pushing 352 00:24:08.519 --> 00:24:11.960 out in the world that hey, yeah, I'm in trougla. I you 353 00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:17.240 know, I don't Plus it makes anything to replace any uh acting up members. 354 00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:21.960 Bobo, you are dead on. I mean, uh, we've been 355 00:24:22.039 --> 00:24:25.519 very fortunate. We don't have a huge turnover in our in our camp. 356 00:24:25.519 --> 00:24:27.640 But you know, you're absolutely right I mean it is it's the it's about 357 00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:30.960 the music not the person, which is kind of against the rock and roll 358 00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:37.200 mentality death metal. Yeah dude, yeah, I mean the way, you 359 00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:40.880 know, the way music is. The landscape of music has changed a lot 360 00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:45.240 in the last ten years, in the last five years, so you know, 361 00:24:45.319 --> 00:24:48.559 it's really easy to everybody can record. Now. You can go in 362 00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:52.039 your bedroom and record a whole album in an afternoon if you want. And 363 00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:55.400 I understand that. And again, trying to do something that's a little different, 364 00:24:55.480 --> 00:24:59.279 a little off the path, you know. We take the left hand 365 00:24:59.279 --> 00:25:03.240 path a little bit, you know, and it's usually overgrown with brush and 366 00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:08.880 there's footprints you can take cast. So that's a path we've chosen to take. 367 00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:12.680 So sign me up. I was wonder, what's uh, what are 368 00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:15.039 some cool stories that you heard from people that are kind of your shows and 369 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:18.640 going like, oh you guys are you know, like they like they start 370 00:25:18.680 --> 00:25:22.440 telling like their story. How do you think that really caught your attention? 371 00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:26.519 There was a I remember when we toured out West, I want to say 372 00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:32.400 it was in twenty fourteen or twenty sixteen. Maybe that was the last time 373 00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:34.960 I think we really and like we'll play out. I feel like we play 374 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:41.960 out wes More that like Colorado and Denver and stuff. But I remember so 375 00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:48.799 I remember playing a. We played a it was the it was the Foot 376 00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:52.640 I think it was called the Foothills gut Fest. I'm sure you guys know 377 00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:59.559 all about this, and I believe that was in Fort Collins, and I 378 00:25:59.599 --> 00:26:03.400 remember we were kind of like it was it was a lot of this particular 379 00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:07.799 kind of It was a lot of death metal bands, and it was a 380 00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:11.480 lot of and a very specific kind of death metal band they call slam. 381 00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:15.240 It was a very specific genre. So we kind of stuck out a little 382 00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:18.880 bit anyway, just with how we look and then our sound. But I 383 00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:22.640 remember this kid had came over to the table and he was telling me a 384 00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:29.119 story about how that when he was little, that somebody had stolen like the 385 00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:33.319 car from the driveway. And he said, and this was really funny. 386 00:26:33.359 --> 00:26:34.839 I don't know if this was like he said, well, you know, 387 00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:40.039 everybody said it was his uncle, but you know, he said, I'm 388 00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:42.759 convinced it was Bigfoot. And I said, oh really, and he's like 389 00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:48.000 yeah, He's like well, and I just remember being like very taken back. 390 00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:49.640 He's like, well, what makes you think that Bigfoot could drive a 391 00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:52.319 car? You know, I mean, I said, for all intents, 392 00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:55.799 I said, I'm just going to play Devil's advocate here. I said, 393 00:26:55.920 --> 00:26:57.759 you know, I mean, I'm thinking I think of Bigfoot in terms of 394 00:26:57.799 --> 00:27:02.000 an as an animal. And I said, so, what makes you think 395 00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:03.640 that he, you know, he could actually get behind the wheel of this 396 00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:10.160 car and want to steal your your mom's Ford Taurus out of the driveway. 397 00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:15.839 Uh. He said, well, what makes you think that he can't logic 398 00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:18.920 and basic intelligence? Dude? I mean that's one that I was well, 399 00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:26.079 and it's funny because I revisited that story later in music. Oh really, 400 00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:27.920 and one of the songs is about that. Yeah. I was like, 401 00:27:29.319 --> 00:27:34.240 there was a song on the last album that we did called speed Kills, 402 00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:40.559 and I kind of took a high level swipe at it, you know, 403 00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:45.000 about Bigfoot. I mean, it's about Bigfoot stealing the car. These guys, 404 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:48.000 it's these guys hit a big foot with a car, and they're so 405 00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:51.359 excited. They're like, oh my god, we hit a big foot with 406 00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:56.200 our car. We're going to be rich. We've actually literally done the unthinkable 407 00:27:56.240 --> 00:28:00.440 here, We've caught one and as they're sitting there celebrating the big what gets 408 00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:03.720 up and he takes off in their station wagon? Oh? Very Harry and 409 00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:07.160 the Henderson's like yeah, you know it's a total yeah, but I remember 410 00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:12.599 thinking about that whole stealing the car thing. You got another Henderson's reference song, 411 00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:18.559 yeah, yeah, on the Boggy Creek. We've got a son called 412 00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:22.559 hit by the Henderson's. Yeah, it's a low hanging fruit. You know, 413 00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:25.079 first album. We got to get them all out and get get the 414 00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:27.440 hits out there. So did you ever have anyone come up and tell you 415 00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:30.480 like a like a legit story that I was like, well, that was 416 00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:36.599 that was pretty rad one. I mean I can think of like handfuls of 417 00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:41.279 people saying that they'd seen something or they you know, they were out camping 418 00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:47.599 and they heard the noise, you know, the sounds, but nothing that 419 00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:51.000 really sticks out in my mind, you know, other than this. The 420 00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:55.480 the thing that always stuck out to me when people were describing like their experience 421 00:28:55.559 --> 00:29:00.759 or the incident or whatever it was, was just them and how involved they 422 00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:04.440 were, you know, beyond the story itself. Did you try to come 423 00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:07.519 out to their location, like we got bigfoots out where I'm and you should 424 00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:14.039 come out. I can't ever remember that other than you know, very high 425 00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:15.400 level. It's like, you know, Portland, you guys ought to come 426 00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:18.680 out here. This is Bigfoot country, you know that kind of stuff. 427 00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:23.920 But nothing like a ranch address out in the middle of Utah or anything. 428 00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:30.640 Nothing like that. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. 429 00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:41.039 Will be right back after these messages. Do you ever go squashing yourself? 430 00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:45.039 You know, I wouldn't, not on the level that you're probably talking 431 00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:48.559 about. Well, I mean, just go to an area specifically because like 432 00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:55.119 bigfoots have been thought to have been reported there. No, not not specific, 433 00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:57.240 just other than you know, I spent a lot of time in the 434 00:29:57.240 --> 00:30:00.960 woods when I was a kid. I mean I grew up in the sticks. 435 00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:07.160 So yeah, you know, Momo, I've been to Foul twice and 436 00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:11.839 it was before the Monster mart existed, so I need to like and for 437 00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:17.119 whatever reason, we've never really toured through there, which seems criminal. And 438 00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:19.039 you know it's funny. I've got I know, we've got a mutual friend, 439 00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:23.559 Lyle Blackburn. Yeah, I was gonna bring that up actually, just 440 00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:27.640 because I mean, so much of your your your music seems to be I 441 00:30:27.680 --> 00:30:30.960 mean centered around me, not centered. But you know it's right there in 442 00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:33.039 the name, the name of your album. You know it says, you 443 00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:37.440 know, boy Creek right there. And also when I was looking at your 444 00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:41.640 album art, uh, the Don't Go in the Woods specifically, is that 445 00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:45.960 the same artists who did Lyle's book cover? Yes, there you go. 446 00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:49.119 Yeah, I thought I recognized the style. It's fantastic. I thought like 447 00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:56.880 familiar to Yeah, Lyle was he reached out to me. Probably it was 448 00:30:56.880 --> 00:31:02.160 for the first album and he was writing for room Ord, the horror magazine. 449 00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:08.759 He wrote a pretty awesome article for us or about us for room Orde. 450 00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:14.119 Uh, right before the first album came out, And we've kind of 451 00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:17.039 kept in touch ever since. You know, we talked from time to time. 452 00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:18.759 I'm talking to him for a while. He's a he's a busy dude. 453 00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:22.480 Man. I always get a kick out of Like, I'll hear my 454 00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:29.319 my wife is big on. She's if I love Bigfoot, she's even ten 455 00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:32.960 times more than me. But I'll hear the squeal like from the other room. 456 00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:37.640 Lyle's on like she sees him on the show. So let's let's hit 457 00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:42.000 her on there where they went to that amusement park today. Okay, have 458 00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:47.720 you ever heard Lyle's band? I've seen him once. They were playing, 459 00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:52.160 Uh they did Gosh. I think it was called I think he played they 460 00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:55.440 have a thing here called Greece Rama, and I think his band had played 461 00:31:55.480 --> 00:32:00.240 here one time, cool Town, and I didn't at the time. I 462 00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:02.359 didn't know him then, but i'd already seen him, and it didn't come 463 00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:07.839 like there was a weird like, oh wait a minute, you're in like 464 00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:12.200 you know, I kind of after the fact discovery after we talked, and 465 00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:16.079 because he had played and he played up here, I feel like they played 466 00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:20.759 up here a couple of times and I'd seen him play, but I didn't 467 00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:23.400 know him them, So I don't think he's I don't think I feel like 468 00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:29.200 I don't think Ghoule Town is. I don't think they're active. They just 469 00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:30.759 did some stuff for not too long ago, but yeah, they had a 470 00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:34.880 long eye of this. They're semi active, I think is what it is. 471 00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:38.319 Periodically active. Probably they're probably as active as troglodite. Let's just be 472 00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:45.039 probably just when you need to be still keeping it loosive. No, he's 473 00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:46.559 a good dude though. Oh yeah, I love the guy A good good 474 00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:49.720 friend of ours, good friend of ours. This girl trying to give you 475 00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:54.640 the name of Trogola. Back in high school, my friend's neighbor, she's 476 00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:59.000 like and so she just started calling me trog all the time for like probably 477 00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:01.359 like two years, like a small group of my friends from like that group 478 00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:06.359 of friends was calling me trog And I was like, that's when I embraced 479 00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:12.680 the bobo nickname. I was like, was a trog It's so funny, 480 00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:16.039 Like it's it's such a word like that, you know, you hear it 481 00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:22.079 and it really stands out, and you're usually in such a derogatory way that 482 00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:24.640 you hear it, So it was funny. I was. I went to 483 00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:30.799 see a totally blind. I went to see this movie Bone Tomahawk. Huge 484 00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:35.240 Kurt Russell fan, love Kurt Russell, and I was a fan of the 485 00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:38.359 guy that had directed it. He was A Zollor is his name, and 486 00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:42.039 he's an author, and I was pretty excited to see it. I thought, 487 00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:45.079 Oh, it's like a horror western or something, I guess, and 488 00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:47.400 I didn't know anything about it. Went into it totally blind, and it 489 00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:51.680 was really good. It was really done and it's funny. It's like, 490 00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:54.319 uh, like in the first ten minutes of the movie, these uh, 491 00:33:54.920 --> 00:34:00.240 this man's wife is kidnapped and there who took him. It was like, 492 00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:02.480 they don't even have a name. They're just like troglodytes. They live in 493 00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:05.839 caves and stuff. And I got such a kick out of that. And 494 00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:08.840 you know, they're these like animal like people that you know, it's just 495 00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:13.159 something you just don't hear a lot. So I thought that was really funny. 496 00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:16.360 So, but they weren't bigfoots though, No, trogolot I think technically 497 00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:21.400 like the translates into like cave dwellers. Yeah, it has nothing to do 498 00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:25.480 with Bigfoot other than my association that I've drawn to it. Yeah, it's 499 00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:30.920 a it's a man like ape. I think that's the literal translation. Now 500 00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:37.480 now, Homo Trogloditees was a name that was actually coined by Linnaeus, the 501 00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:43.639 guy that the father of taxonomy, the guy who invented this like genus species 502 00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:49.360 nomenclature for all species on the planet. There was actually something called Homo trugloditis, 503 00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:53.760 but it was later changed to pan trogoloiditis into the genus something to do 504 00:34:53.760 --> 00:35:00.000 with chimpanzees if I remember correctly, so it might be a nice rabbit hole 505 00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:02.840 for you to jump down. I take listen. I will listen back to 506 00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:09.559 this and take notes and inspiration. Uh. Now, inspiration is uh, 507 00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:14.360 I mean it's all around me. I mean it really is. And uh, 508 00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:19.119 it's all it's always it's always interesting to uh come across another bigfoot fan 509 00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:22.639 uh or somebody who has a passion for it, and they they bring a 510 00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:28.639 perspective that you know you don't necessarily have them. So there have you know, 511 00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:31.880 it was like, uh again, I keep going back to my ridiculous 512 00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:36.679 songs, like there's on the on the new one, I did a song 513 00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:44.440 they Outlaw, which isn't necessarily thought to be a bigfoot thing. But there 514 00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:47.840 are people who share an opinion that it was some sort of creature or something 515 00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:52.440 that those are wrong. Well you know how that came about. It was 516 00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:58.840 a bottom feeding production company that basically lied about it. Well again, I 517 00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:01.119 I take the high ground. I take I go take a very high level. 518 00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:06.800 And when even when I you listen to what I'm singing about again, 519 00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:10.360 it's more about the the nature of the unknown and what did this? So 520 00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:15.480 could you argue it's not really about Bigfoot, Yeah, of course, yeah, 521 00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:17.920 yeah, I just keep waiting for I can't. You know how hard 522 00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:25.199 it is to find something that rhymes with Gigantopithecus Australia pithecus. Yeah, yeah, 523 00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:29.239 there's a lot of pithecus out there, I bet. Yeah. But 524 00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:30.480 I mean, how much can you resurrect that one? I guess you know, 525 00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:37.400 yeah, no, no pun intended, fantastic, you know what. 526 00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:40.519 I think this is a good opportunity to maybe play part of one of your 527 00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:45.400 songs. Now, if you if you were to baptize our audience into one 528 00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:49.039 of your songs, which one won't make their ears bleed like right away? 529 00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:53.800 You know, like like what's a nice gateway drug into troglodite? Or you 530 00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:57.559 can hear some where you can hear some of the vocals, like if you 531 00:36:57.559 --> 00:37:00.000 can tell what you're saying with hell yeah, I would say I would say 532 00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:04.679 if I was like a good gateway song, I would I would probably give 533 00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:07.960 you guys. I would say, uh, Entrails torn from a Cryptid's Gut, 534 00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:36.719 nice mid tempo, It sounds like a nice song. Yeah, so 535 00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:00.960 what album is this song? As as Cliff is as we all know that 536 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:07.679 one is from our third studio album, Anthropological Curiosities and Unearthed Archaeological Relics. 537 00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:10.400 I knew that, but I didn't want to build cliff all. I mean, 538 00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:14.760 who could forget that one? I mean that that features such toe tapping 539 00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:20.920 classics as weed our own, which explains why you never find Bigfoot remains, 540 00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:24.440 the It Takes Guts. That's a good that's a real toe tapper. And 541 00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:30.079 the big radio hit off that one was Abnormalities and Dramatical Ethics colon Identification of 542 00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:34.960 the Unknown Primate. Now are you getting are you getting radio play? Or 543 00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:37.360 is there such a thing for that for death metal? I don't even know. 544 00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:40.760 Yeah, I say it sarcastically, now, you know I say that, 545 00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:45.599 But you know what's radio? Now? Now there's a million podcasts that 546 00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:52.559 and different. I would say probably not a typical radio play now, No, 547 00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:55.880 no, of course not. But there are people who found us and 548 00:38:55.920 --> 00:39:00.599 it's like, hey, we we're big fans of this, of Breed and 549 00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:02.840 and he was playing one of your songs on his podcast, like, oh 550 00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:07.280 that's freaking awesome. So as far as I radio played, So there is 551 00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:12.360 no real radio outlet for death metal, I assume, so mostly podcast stuff, 552 00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:15.840 and like because I mean I know of I mean I know of Cannibal 553 00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:19.400 Corpse, I know of like Gwar and some other bands at directions, you 554 00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:22.840 know, but like, how do they get popular if there's no radio plays? 555 00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:25.199 It just live live shows and stuff, Like what's the hope there? 556 00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:29.639 You know? Yeah, you know it's funny. You should we get We 557 00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:32.039 definitely hear compare. I get the oh, you guys sound like Cannibal Corps, 558 00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:37.920 and I definitely get that. Huge fan of Gwar, love those guys. 559 00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:44.079 They've been very kind to the Troglodykee crew over the years. We've played 560 00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:47.800 their warbecue that they've done, and they've given us opportunities to open for them. 561 00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:55.679 Yeah. Yeah, great bunch of guys and again doing something very not 562 00:39:57.480 --> 00:40:00.800 radio friendly at all on both of those bands. So it's interesting to me 563 00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:06.280 that like it's not uh you know, they found their audience. They've just 564 00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:08.159 kind of cut their own path, you know, they don't. Uh. 565 00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:15.039 Guar was very lucky, uh you know, I say lucky. They they 566 00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:20.199 were definitely doing their own thing. You know, these art students from Virginia 567 00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:24.280 and they were doing touring and touring and you know, their shows are crazy. 568 00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:30.480 They are these giant productions of fake blood and monsters and stuff, and 569 00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:35.639 I think they're big, like big. Push was uh Beavis and butt Heead. 570 00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:38.920 Yeah, they played one of their videos and as silly as that sounds, 571 00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:44.400 that pushed a lot of band That meant the difference from being an obscure 572 00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:51.400 extreme metal band into all of a sudden you're selling one hundred two hundred thousand 573 00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:54.760 copies of your album and people want to see you and they go to see 574 00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:59.079 the show, you know, so you're they were exposed, uh you know 575 00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:04.599 in that capacity the help break Winger two. Yeah, I mean you think 576 00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:07.719 about all the stuff that those that silly show did, even the bands that 577 00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:12.480 they get on there and they are completely roasting and making fun of, they 578 00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:15.199 still sold records. Yeah, I felt bad. Like Ween was on there 579 00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:19.880 too, and they heckled Ween. I love Wing, Oh I love Wing. 580 00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:22.599 That's why I was like, you gotta like those guys. You guys, 581 00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:28.119 it's like that no, you know, uh no, advertisement is bad 582 00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:32.440 advertisement kind of thing, because even making fun of these guys, they still 583 00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:37.039 put them over, you know, in a way that exposed them to an 584 00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:38.760 audience. And you know that that's the one thing now you know, used 585 00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:44.000 to have things like Cliff to your point, you know, even without airplay, 586 00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:47.440 used to have stuff like head Bang's Ball or uh, I'm trying to 587 00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:51.360 think. You know, there were shows that actually used to show music videos 588 00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:54.159 and uh, you know that just doesn't exist anymore. So it's really hard 589 00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:59.559 for some of these now there's, uh, you don't have that outlet. 590 00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:02.840 And you know, I think a lot of it's just luck being at the 591 00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:07.199 right place the right time. And you know, you there are bands they 592 00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:13.599 get somebody's ear, they somebody, they catch somebody's attention, or they know 593 00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:16.639 someone and they have the ability to kind of break through a little bit, 594 00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:20.840 you know, because again a lot of these bands, you know, just 595 00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:24.599 not getting the airplay that doesn't exist once. It's like a community radio station 596 00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:30.920 at Tuesday night, three in the morning. Yes, absolutely absolutely, and 597 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:34.760 I think it's wonderful that you've got the ability that you know, now you 598 00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:37.679 know, people can do things like a podcast and they can go through and 599 00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:44.840 they can curate these things and expose people to this music that they didn't even 600 00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:51.760 know existed. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo will 601 00:42:51.800 --> 00:43:00.960 be right back after these messages, So you do have a YouTube page, 602 00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:05.519 then yeah, we've and again one of those things that it's kind of been 603 00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:09.039 a conscious effort to we don't have music videos, which is funny because I'm 604 00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:14.960 a music video director. I've worked for several different like labels, and I 605 00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:21.000 work for mostly extreme metal stuff, and I understand the importance of it, 606 00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:22.800 but again, I think there's something lost. Man. It's like I don't 607 00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:25.320 really you know, I you know, there's a part of me that thinks 608 00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:29.159 it's like I want to do a music video and if I do, it's 609 00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:30.360 going to be the most amazing thing ever. And I just don't want to 610 00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:34.440 push something out of us playing in a warehouse, bang in our head. 611 00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:37.760 And also I think it kind of adds to the mystique. You know, 612 00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:43.079 you can you can go and find and that's something else you kind of touched 613 00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:45.679 on a little bit. It's like I always feel like there's a certain part 614 00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:49.679 of us that I kind of always like that the only way you can see 615 00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:52.199 is is you can find YouTube videos where people come and film us. And 616 00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:59.519 it's very much like trying to capture footage of a sasquatch. It's usually shaky, 617 00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:05.880 almost unwatchable film, like it lends itself very much to the same world, 618 00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:09.119 you know, dark, underlit, terrible environment, you know, but 619 00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:13.320 I think there's a certain charm to it too. So you'd have to have 620 00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:15.559 a pretty good budget for a video for you to be happy with it. 621 00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:19.400 I mean, because you got all those skills and talent and you know what 622 00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:22.079 you want, and I take a lot of resources to get that together. 623 00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:25.800 Yeah, I mean, you know it's crazy, Bobo, because it's like 624 00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:30.599 the music videos. I shoot, they're all like concepts. It's I like 625 00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:36.440 little movies. Like if you want your band banging their head in a warehouse 626 00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:38.840 and the fan blowing off, that is not me And I'll have to share 627 00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:42.199 that stuff with you guys, because it is. I mean, it's like 628 00:44:42.280 --> 00:44:45.159 the stuff I do is like little tiny movies. I mean they are straight 629 00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:50.159 up concept. It's like watching a little slice of a movie. And that's 630 00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:52.000 you're right. I mean, to do it, it's tricky, and you 631 00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:55.440 know, like with everything in the music industry, they don't you know, 632 00:44:55.559 --> 00:45:00.719 the budgets aren't like they were ten years ago, so it gets even trickier 633 00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:06.639 trying to create something on you know, but you know, most people spend 634 00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:09.960 more going to Costco, you know, probably than we spend on these music 635 00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:14.360 videos sometimes. So it's kind of interesting, you know, I know, 636 00:45:14.440 --> 00:45:17.760 during the pandemic and we had the we had, of course, you know, 637 00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:21.840 the greatest We always have the greatest luck. I feel like Charcolodite in 638 00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:24.320 general has kind of just missed the mark on stuff. Our luck's just off. 639 00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:29.480 So but here we get this new album done and then the pandemic hits, 640 00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:32.960 so we can't really tour, we can't support it. Uh. I 641 00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:37.360 know, we were going to shoot. We had a pretty elaborate video planned, 642 00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:42.960 and then I got COVID so it kind of shut everything down and I 643 00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:46.360 was fortunate it was very uneventful. But still that was pretty early on, 644 00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:50.920 so I had to figure out, well, what are we going to do? 645 00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:54.599 So I literally went through and made a music video that looks like a 646 00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:58.880 video game and it's the most ridiculous thing ever, but people loved it. 647 00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:00.599 You know. It was just like thinking outside the box, well what can 648 00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:02.880 I do to get us out there, you know, and make sure that 649 00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:07.639 it looks like an old eight bit Nintendo game. The marketing of the band 650 00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:10.920 and trying to keep it organic has always been important and stuff too. You 651 00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:15.599 know, did we talk about the I made mummified yetty hands, I saw 652 00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:19.519 that out of your page. Well, we didn't talk about it. Tell 653 00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:22.079 us about it, please. One of the things like I always being a 654 00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:24.800 fan. You know, I'm a fan first, first and foremost. I'm 655 00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:28.639 always a fan, you know. So, like I do a lot of 656 00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:30.800 merch design. Sometimes for bands, they need a shirt or something, so 657 00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:36.519 I'll do that. And I always thought, you know, if I'm gonna 658 00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:38.880 I wanted to do stuff that if I was a fan or something that I 659 00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:42.320 would get. Oh, man, I got to have that. That is 660 00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:45.719 so cool, That is so so I've like, even with the shirts, 661 00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:51.000 all of our merch, I've tried to take extraordinary measures to do stuff that 662 00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:55.000 is like very well thought out, for lack of a better word, if 663 00:46:55.039 --> 00:46:59.159 that if you can say that. So one of the things I always talked 664 00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:01.159 about doing was like, man, I would love to make a mammified yetti 665 00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:05.760 hand and when you buy it, it comes in a little bag like an 666 00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:08.840 old school toy on a card. I had some downtime at the first of 667 00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:14.559 the year. The movie stuff was really slow and the weather was just awful, 668 00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:20.840 so I retreated into the back into the trog cave and I mass produced. 669 00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:24.280 I don't know how many of these yetti hands I made, but I 670 00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:28.159 made them. I mean they're like a toy. I mean they're on a 671 00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:30.760 bag that they're on a card. There's a legend, a story that's on 672 00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:36.199 the back of it. And I couldn't couldn't get them out of the house 673 00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:38.159 fast enough. Once I pushed that out into the social world, and again 674 00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:43.119 very small. I didn't like buy ads. I just kind of pushed it 675 00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:46.199 out into our social social channels and they were gone. They're gone. That's 676 00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:51.599 great, that's absolutely cool. So are you selling those anymore? Yes, 677 00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:57.679 it's a authentic mummified yetti hand with an asterisk, right, and as you 678 00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:00.960 know, you can almost smell the authentic. And then I had to put 679 00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:04.679 a little dis I put a little disclaimer. You know, mummified yetti hands 680 00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:09.639 are a recreation and not real mummified yetti hands. I love this. I 681 00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:15.760 guess I'm on your website trug Light dot big Cartel dot com products. I 682 00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:19.039 don't know if that's your website, but that's what I found here. Yeah, 683 00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:22.400 yeah, drives to the shop. Yeah yeah, I guess I tried 684 00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:24.599 to go to neander Core, which I think is the coolest description of any 685 00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:28.599 music I've ever heard of my life. No, that's yeah, and that's 686 00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:31.400 where it just I've got to redirect right now. Yeah, I've cutting out 687 00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:36.639 the middleman, Cliff going right for the wallet. No, I am I. 688 00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:38.760 I love it. I love it. In fact, I am buying 689 00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:43.599 one of these mummified yetti hands for my Bigfoot museum. Don't do that. 690 00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:45.360 Let me send you one. How about that? It would be my privilege 691 00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:49.480 to send you on. We'll talk about that once we stopped recording. But 692 00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:52.599 yeah, I want one of these from my museum. Yes, I definitely 693 00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:55.039 want to make sure that you have. You guys have your own mummified yetti 694 00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:59.000 hands. Did I? I was so close to order one last night, 695 00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:04.559 but I'm like, I'm I was shortly with a discussion of spending listen totally 696 00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:07.280 there. Well, we'll make we'll make these dreams of reality. We we 697 00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:10.760 actually went to the Peing Bunchie Monastery when we were filming Funding Big there when 698 00:49:10.760 --> 00:49:16.280 we saw the replica hand, the three D imaging place, the big Time 699 00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:23.000 special effects workshops. Yeah, the one. Yeah, Peter Jackson's did the 700 00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:25.800 three D one. Yeah, yeah, we got to see that. We 701 00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:30.400 got to see that when it was that thing was big. It turns out 702 00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:32.320 of him. I have a friend who works for Wedda Workshops. He's a 703 00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:35.760 big foot fan and all this other stuff. He's a great, great guy. 704 00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:38.360 Daniel Falcon is his name, and he did a lot of the stuff 705 00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:40.639 with Lord of the Rings and he's a super nice guy. When he came 706 00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:45.199 over here with Wet to do some sort of you know gig basically you know 707 00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:49.840 where they set up their giant booth in one of these big holes, I 708 00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:52.400 hung out with him, and so when I was doing the museum, I 709 00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:54.639 reached out to Daniels said, Hey, I know Wedda supplied the real ping 710 00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:59.519 Buschet Monastery with a hand. What can you guys help us out? And 711 00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:01.079 he goes, oh, my friend did that, and that'd probably be out 712 00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:05.920 of your price range. But there's another person who can make a fantastic copy 713 00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:09.599 of Reblica. So I employed this other artist and she did a fantastic job, 714 00:50:09.639 --> 00:50:14.079 and that is actually the one that's on display in the museum. The 715 00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:19.559 artist's name is Sonja Howard from New Zealand, and she did a fantastic job 716 00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:22.519 of it she did. She did the scalp and the hand. Actually, 717 00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:25.480 yes, I love the scalp. That was like I was really torn to 718 00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:29.800 do, Like I want to do, I gotta do the scalp too. 719 00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:31.480 It's like, no, it's a little that'll be a little more difficult for 720 00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:37.239 me to market like in a way that was more the hand was more practical 721 00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:42.280 way. And plus we had a song. I don't have a song any 722 00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:49.679 any song about the scalp yet yet YETI yeah, I love it, dude, 723 00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:52.000 absolutely, Are you kidding? No? I love it. Man. 724 00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:57.639 It's funny. I again, you know, it's like, we don't take 725 00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:01.960 ourselves seriously obviously when I'm talking to you about this stuff. But if you're 726 00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:05.480 a fan of the music and when you listen to it, you get what 727 00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:08.480 we're doing. We don't make fun of it. We're not the music itself. 728 00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:13.239 We take very seriously. So it's like, if you like if you 729 00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:15.079 like extreme music, if you like death metal, if you're a fan of 730 00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:21.360 Cannibal Corps or Obituary or Carcass or any of those kind of bands, you're 731 00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:24.119 gonna love what we're doing. So if you know I tried to get something. 732 00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:25.960 It's like, if you didn't like that, well, you know, 733 00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:31.159 there it is. It's a ton definitely firmly planted in cheek. What's what's 734 00:51:31.159 --> 00:51:36.000 your what's your most popular T shirt design that you guys sell. It's got 735 00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:39.960 some cool T shirts? Thank you, gosh, I would say, uh. 736 00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:45.280 And again, it's always the ones I riff on pop culture are always 737 00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:49.760 the ones that you seem to go over Gamebusters. I know the one I 738 00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:54.360 did the art for the the one where Harry's holding George Henderson's head. Yeah, 739 00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:57.519 John, let's go right. That's my favorite one by far, I 740 00:51:57.519 --> 00:52:00.719 think on here, Yeah, yeah, that one. People, I mean 741 00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:02.760 they it's like, you know, and again, it was like a digital 742 00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:07.400 painting that I worked on that I did it for a flyer for a show, 743 00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:12.119 and I just never I thought, man, that's a really intense piece 744 00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:15.519 of artwork for a flyer. But I kind of kicked it around for a 745 00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:16.760 while and I thought, I'm just gonna throw that on a T shirt. 746 00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:20.559 I wonder if anybody would buy it. Well, they made it, right, 747 00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:24.800 I mean, that's one without fail and it's not the art's been around 748 00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:28.920 for a little while. But when we play a show, I can't get 749 00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:31.119 that one out of the box fast enough. Well, you know, it 750 00:52:31.159 --> 00:52:35.000 seems we're pretty much out of time. Man. In fact, we might 751 00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:37.679 have even gone over it because you've been such a great guest. There's no 752 00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:39.320 overtime, clip, there's no time limit. Well, I think we do 753 00:52:39.400 --> 00:52:42.920 have an overtime. Why don't we invite them to come to the members section 754 00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:45.960 and hang out a little bit longer? Sure, yeah, let's do that. 755 00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:47.360 Do you have a little bit more time, Jeff, Oh yeah I 756 00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:50.440 do. Yeah, thanks, yeah, yeah, let's let's let's save the 757 00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:52.280 rest of this. We'll play a couple more year tunes and we'll get to 758 00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:55.000 get it down to the nitty gritty and some of the weirder stuff. I 759 00:52:55.039 --> 00:53:00.320 guess when our member section, because we do an extra hour every week for 760 00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:02.440 our members. Anybody who wants to join our Patreon you can do so by 761 00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:07.400 going to the link below or Bigfoot and Beyond podcast dot com and hit the 762 00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:09.960 membership button and you can you can become a member yourself and get this extra 763 00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:14.599 hour that we produce every single week or the regular and I should say the 764 00:53:14.679 --> 00:53:20.480 regular episode with zero commercials. So if if you're interested in that, follow 765 00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:22.719 the link below, go to the website and become one of us. Goba 766 00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:25.199 Gaba. Hey, Jeff, thank you very much for your time, and 767 00:53:25.519 --> 00:53:29.800 let's spend another hour together a little bit less, I suppose, and over 768 00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:32.920 the member section and we'll continue the conversation there. Thank you to Jeff Siston 769 00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:37.800 for coming on and teaching us about death metal with bigfoot involved. Yeah, 770 00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:39.719 and Jeff, where can people find out more information before we let you loose? 771 00:53:40.159 --> 00:53:44.559 Well, I got to tell you if you're if you're really Jones and 772 00:53:44.679 --> 00:53:49.480 for some bigfoot death metal, you can find us at neander Core, which 773 00:53:49.519 --> 00:53:54.199 is in E A N D E R C O R E dot com. 774 00:53:54.599 --> 00:54:00.239 You can also find us at trog dot rocks. Yeah, and I know 775 00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:02.840 some of our listeners will be interested. I'm looking at you, Todd and 776 00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:05.920 Bart. I know that people are out there are gonna love this, so 777 00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:08.079 I got to tell you and you know, and for any of those who 778 00:54:08.199 --> 00:54:13.480 can't, if you can't even remember those, you can always type in bigfoot 779 00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:16.119 death metal and you'll find trougladite. See, you do have the corner that 780 00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:20.519 the market corner man. That's awesome. I think we appear in the first 781 00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:24.360 several searches results, so it's pretty easy to track us down, No pun 782 00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:30.440 intended. You guys own that section. We're trying. It's mission accomplished, 783 00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:32.400 okay, So Jeff hang on for a few moments and Bubb'll get us out 784 00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:36.920 of here and we'll start another recording. All right, folks, That was 785 00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:42.159 Jeff Siston from Chocoladite. Check them out and we'll be talking a little some 786 00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:46.400 more on the Patreon so you can sup down below in the notes, so 787 00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:52.159 if you want join us there for more of this every week and until then, 788 00:54:52.599 --> 00:55:00.599 y'all keep it squatchy. Thanks for listening to this week's episode of Bigfoot 789 00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:05.119 and Beyond. If you liked what you heard, please rate and review us 790 00:55:05.119 --> 00:55:08.679 on iTunes, subscribe to Bigfoot and Beyond wherever you get your podcasts, and 791 00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:14.800 follow us on Facebook and Instagram at Bigfoot and Beyond podcast. You can find 792 00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:19.360 us on Twitter at Bigfoot and Beyond that's an N in the middle, and 793 00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:23.280 tweet us your thoughts and questions with the hashtag Bigfoot and Beyond.