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The Chile Effect is sponsored by Wallstreet, Window dot com and listeners like you

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Now and now Oh Media. Yeah, you know, it looks like it's

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the nineteenth day. I guess the
nineteenth day of December twenty twenty three,

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allegedly according to that thing we call
a calendar. And this is the O'Kelly

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effect. So not even going to
ask you if you're looking for this show,

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because if you found it, you
had to be looking for it anyway.

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It is what it is. It's
Tearesday, excuse me, Tuesday,

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and uh, we're going live and
what are we going live with? Well,

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there is a gentleman who creates a
lot of different media out there.

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Actually, if you go to Johnny
Venmore dot com you can see lots of

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stuff. But also he's got another
website which we'll probably hear about, but

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that's not the main focus of tonight's
discussion. There is a video series that

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I believe started to drop on December
fifteenth, and well, I had a

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little trouble. I looked at it
at first, and I said, well,

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this looks like it's on a subject
that I've seen discussed before. But

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it's got a strange title and it's
got one of those titles that I don't

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know, makes you think like it
might be a Netflix documentary or something,

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right, but not related to the
things that it's related to. And yeah,

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okay, so here we go.
What is the name of this thing?

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What's going on? Well, we're
gonna find out all that stuff,

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and it is available on YouTube.
I'll give you the link in with the

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show notes so you can go see
at least part one for yourself, the

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trailer, all that stuff. I'll
give you a social media so you can

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follow up on this show, that's
for sure. But the explanation is gonna

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have to come from my guests because
on the surface, especially to a normy

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out there, it might be really
complicated. And indeed, after I find

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out how he's doing, we're gonna
play a clip and show you just how

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complicated that can be, really fast, just in audio form, even though

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we are creating a video for tonight's
show. So, Johnny, how you

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doing tonight? First of all,
there, I'm doing amazing. Thanks for

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having me on and really buzz to
have a conversation and with a man who

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knows as well, really excited.
Well, I listen, I appreciate you.

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Of course, we could also check
you out on something called newspaste,

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right, and that's how you spell
it all one word dot com. Yeah,

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but again, not the topic for
tonight's show. I want to talk

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to you about this video and uh, forget it. We're gonna play the

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clip and why is it confusing?
I'm gonna give a little descriptor afterwards,

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but you and I are just gonna
sit and take a listen to this along

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with the audience, and they're going
to recognize a lot of what they're gonna

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hear. But when I tell you
what's going on on the screen and things,

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eh, you might start to think
differently. And then you're gonna wonder

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why you're searching for Stanley. Oh, I blew it, didn't I hold

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on. We'll get to it,
Johnny. Hold on. We're gonna play

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this clip, and like I said, you and I are just gonna listen.

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Maybe we'll go through a minute or
so we'll see where a natural point

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to stop is. Okay, awesome. I'm just gonna pan this down a

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little bit for you guys, because
I'm gonna tell you what's going on on

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the screen. Great stuff you're seeing
headlines, you're obviously hearing historic speech.

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You're also taking a look at some
details related to King's assassination, et cetera,

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et cetera, including this part where
Bobby Kennedy announces it just a few

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months before his own assassination in nineteen
sixty eight. Martin, Well, let's

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keep going. I have ever rejected
the blind violent that has rug nuck the

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game. Who lived b non violent? I prayed that family find covered from

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the memory of all he tried to
do. He loved so well. I

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got a pause for just a quick
second. I'm going to go back to

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the video clip, but I need
to drop in this commentary the awful human

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being that was speaking there, the
former president of the United States, the

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kind of guy would pick up a
dog by its ears, No kidding,

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who you know was Look, if
you don't know that LBJ wasn't exactly you

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know, a clean cut American icon. Welcome to the show and welcome to

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planet Earth. But I mean the
fact that he's sitting there reading, clearly,

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reading poorly, reading a statement.
I pray for his family. It

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almost sounds as bad as the night
after the assassination when he got off the

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plane and said, I will do
my best and that is all I can

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do, very robotically reading through instead
of you know, human sentimentality. Oh

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my god, this is a tragedy. A man that was moving mountains,

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literally, that was moving people,
that was moving masses. Disingenuous in the

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dictionary see disingenuous. Anyway, Sorry, I'll return back to the clip.

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I just had to drop that in. Sorry, John, Here we go.

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When King took the pulpit of the
Bishop Charles Mason Temple on April third,

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he sought to rally his supporters for
a peaceful march than scheduled for April

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ninth. He warned against the violence
that had marred a previous protest less violence.

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Now, obviously we're beginning to hear
a narrator, and we're looking at

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historical footage, and I'm going to
stop this here because it's just the setup

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mind you, for this video,
and it's the framing device. It's well

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done. First of all, I
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this looks like the kind of thing
that people pay a lot of money

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for. And later on you're going
to see some people that get paid a

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lot of money actually to do this
kind of work. Who I might be

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familiar with in one way or another
who are in the research community, because

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I'm part of that assassination research community, and I obviously have decried repeatedly the

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decapitation of the intellectual movement in the
United States in nineteen sixty eight, the

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literal decapitation of people that were sorry, I'm gonna use the dirty word progressive,

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and I don't mean progressive in today's
sense, but in a very real

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world sense at that time. This
is a very emotional setup, Johnny,

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and it's like very very hard and
heavy, and it's one of the things.

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This is why I've had to study
JFK's assassination because of the effect that

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it actually had on our society,
not because oh my, the big savior

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was killed. I'm not one of
those guys, not at all. I'm

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one of the people who says,
you know, we wouldn't have been in

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Vietnam and had a whole generation scarred
by that war, my generation in fact,

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because that was our fathers, our
grandfathers, our uncles. You know,

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we wouldn't have had that entire generation
marred by the destruction of our family

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units, of our core people,
of our men in America under false pretenses

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via the Vietnam War, had somebody
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on November twenty second, nineteen sixty
three. So that is why I study

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that assassination intensely. Now, enough
of my personal motivations aside. All of

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these things matter because there was a
reshaping of society going on in the nineteen

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sixties, not the romanticism of the
Great Hippie movement and all these things.

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Like I said, I got a
lot to say about just the opening of

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what you did here, but I
got to get out of the way and

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let you explain what it is we're
doing, how it is we get to

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who the hell is Stanley anyway,
because there's a first name that doesn't come

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off very often anywhere else, and
how this is going to tie to God

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help us because during the opening rush
that I didn't play, where there's just

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music. Who do we see in
the you know in the graphics, we

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not only see doctor King, We
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familiar names like Gloria Steinem and George
hw Bush. I'm very certain was in

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there as well, a bunch of
people historical scenes from the Lorraine Motel,

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Bobby Kennedy. It's that all these
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get to the historical clips being played. And to enore me, like I

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said, an average run of the
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I believe lbj's biography by Caro is
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guy who you know takes it at
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might be correct, is looking at
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start with, it does to me, But now I turn it over to

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you. Help us through this,
and let's act like I don't know what

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the hell you're talking about, please
so we can explain it to the listener,

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because I want them to go see
this part of the series, and

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well the other things you do as
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because this, to me is not
only extremely well done, but it's fascinating.

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It looks like the kind of thing
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money, and I'm hoping you didn't, because you know, I'm thinking that

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if you know me, you don't. You don't make a lot of money,

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because none of my friends doing a
lot of money. But just saying

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you're right, okay, I don't
make I'm I'm I'm bust. I'm bust,

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I am a penniless broke. I
wrote the soundtrack, I did all

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your editing. I sourced all of
this stuff. But I'd already spent what

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about a year maybe more researching the
articles I wrote that these are all based

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on now, this this first series, so there's eighteen episodes definitely mapped out.

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Each one of them will focus And
what I wanted to do was I

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saw the long game. I saw
the whole story being told. But each

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story has like all of these different
things that this person who ties the thread

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of this story together. All of
these stories at individual stories that need context,

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and a lot of the time it's
really hard for people to understand why

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you should be concerned about why that
person's been involved in that and that and

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that and that and that and this
is about this is a story like that,

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instead of you know, being someone
who focuses in on just the saucy

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stuff, I want to investigate.
I'm an investigative journalist. That's what I

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do. That's my thing. So
I discovered this trail about Oh God.

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It was about a year and a
half ago, two years ago, and

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it was a strange rabbit hole.
Indeed, I had an encounter with one

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of the Epstein victims who came into
my life for about a year year and

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a half. It messaging me getting
me to help her out here write a

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story about this person here, you
know, or invest gate a person.

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I don't just write a story.
I go and investigate them before anybody gets

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thrown off, just really quickly.
Just sorry not to be offensive here,

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but just because of your accent,
you said Epstein, and most people are

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used to hearing Epstein. And by
the way, that was one of the

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reasons why I got kicked off for
YouTube, because allegedly I was cyberbullying Jeffrey

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Epstein, who was dead. And
we are talking about that particular Epstein because

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there's a lot of Epstein's in the
world. Johnny, right, that's the

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guy we're talking about it. Oh
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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we're talking. We're talking about that. Continue and the supposed victim is a

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lady called Maria Farmer, and once
she turned on me, she tried to

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get me to It was a very
complicated story, but I had to verify

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somebody for a podcast that she was
putting forward, and that person turned out

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to be have eight different identities and
be completely as Be spent well to ten

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fifteen years in jail and was claiming
to be something else, and it was

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really hard to work out what was
going on, and so that didn't work

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out, and she got very angry
with me, and she turned on me,

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and I didn't understand what was going
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you a couple of questions about that
right there? Yes, Because look,

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I go through this all the time. I can tell you that there's probably

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I don't know twenty different podcasts a
year that I have to cancel because I

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start to look into something. I
begin to look into it, and I've

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made a couple of mistakes and let
somebody on that I should have vetted much

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better. It's happened over the years. You do this for ten years,

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you're gonna make a couple of errors. But majority of the time, when

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I've got somebody who claims to be
a witness, and I don't mean somebody

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who's offering an opinion an outsiders look
at or you know has Oh, I've

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been a journalist and I've written articles
on it. Look, anybody can do

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that. But when you claim to
be somebody in a particular position, who

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was at a particular place, Almost
like you're claiming, as a matter of

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fact in a courtroom that you were
there. Well, i'm sorry. I

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have to have, you know,
verifiable information that cross references, that's independent

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of you to prove that you're telling
me the truth. Now, sometimes that's

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very difficult because you could be in
a circumstance where somebody's making a claim and

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you got to kind of take it
on faith because there was only two people

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in that room, one of them's
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not. You know, look,
if she's in a circumstance let's just say

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theoretically, where it's just her and
Epstein in the room and she's describing something

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without videotape, we got a problem
because I have to take her word.

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But if I can prove she was
there, I can prove that she had

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been in the area. I can
prove that at the very least she was

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in the country. Things like this. Right, You go through this all

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the time, and quite frankly,
you wind up running around in circles,

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sometimes producing nothing because don't feel good
about what you've investigated. You don't feel

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as though it's you know it's something
that can be corroborated correctly, right,

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listen. I what I do is
I as an investigative journalist, and people

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who know my work know that I
find the things no one can find.

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That's my that's my thing. And
I know that sounds big headed, but

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go read my articles. And the
guy who discovered couch Schwab's dad was a

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Nazi. I discovered he went through
a CIA funded course Kissinger's International seminar.

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I investigated that insider out and revealed
it all. I've revealed so many different

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things from investigating because I look at
things and I try and see all of

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the different angles, and then I
don't stop at the thing that everybody stops

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at. So this one victim suppose, I got to say supposed victim,

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because I can promise you the story
fell apart very soon after. I had

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to investigate her to understand what was
going on. I went down that rabbit

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hole and I discovered she had been
in a relationship with a man called Stanley

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Pottinger and a business with a man
called Stanley Pottinger. And Stanley Pottinger was

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one of the lead Epstein victims lawyers, and I was like this Stanley Pottinger

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and this business they're in together with
David Bowie is also one of the people

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behind the Epstein victims legal case.
This is all very interest in what are

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they doing already with a woman who's
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registered at their business two years before, and she's telling everybody she's in hiding.

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In actual fact, I found her
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out, she's got her own Facebook, she's got her own website, she's

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for the past like twenty years,
she's been out there. And so the

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whole thing started to crumble. But
I didn't you know, you can go

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down there, you can go down
that road of investigating Maria Farmer. I

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tell you it will lead to you
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got interested was this Stanley Pottinger character. So I read a couple of articles

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that made me feel that, oh, well, he's not exactly who he

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says he is, and he's got
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is Oh this is what I did, This is what I did. So

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I went on this journey and it
was a journey, and I had friends

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on this journey, and it was
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I mean it wrecked my life getting
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I had to write in the last
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Someone told me who I was very
very very close to, told me what

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I had to come to the conclusion
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what the conclusion was. And that's
how serious it was. And I went

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back in time like I always do, and I pulled apart who is John

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Stanley Pottinger And I got back to
his father, thirty three degree freemason,

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a part of the Scottish Right City, a city commissioner in Dayton, Ohio,

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a fourth city commissioner to dial die
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so you don't really want that job. But after he died, John Stanley

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Partner's brother became a city commissioner.
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so he can traffic a girl across
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boat. And so there's a whole
backstory there that's really interesting. But John

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Stanley Partinger a man who goes to
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He is the lead quarterback, he
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the man. Everything he does,
he succeeds that. By the time he

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gets out from doing all of his
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firm, Broad Coury Schultz. He
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many cases. It seems very suspicious. Then he's picked up in this Republican

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Party sort of network, which is
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CIA and loads of different other things. And he goes within this network and

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becomes quite high up really quickly in
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he gets aboard. Nineteen sixty nine, he's bought on board of the Department

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of Health, Education, and Welfare
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he's given head of Civil Rights and
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to nineteen seventy three. He's in
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a name for himself. He's going
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you know, making the schools fair, and he's creating his narrative so he

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can commit his crimes later on.
That's how people. These people work.

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They have three years with a deep
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fluffy and caring they are, and
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So by the time he gets in
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three, well, it's already hell's
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people cannot imagine what it would be
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nineteen seventy three as Watergate's kicking off, as the Saturday night massacres going on.

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As Elliott Richard's I got this brilliant
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episode, I think is the next
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Then there'll be five in a row
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The Wartergate episode has got this wonderful
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stage and everybody in the Justice Department
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being so brave, and you know, there's this whole battle. Nixon tries

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to just to sack everybody, but
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Hagen people are left in there,
and then there's this awkwardness and it's

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really the time when everything starts to
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Pottinger is. He's in this mayhem, so he deals with loads of all

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of a sudden, who is John
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and I'm going through history and I'm
discovering he plays a central role in

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the biggest moments in history. Okay, hold on, hold on, he's

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got your attention. Okay, But
we just went through what the fiftieth anniversary

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of Watergate, right where people made
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movies TV series, they released brand
new books, stuff we never told you

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before. Blah blah blah. You
know what, I don't remember this guy

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being a character in any of those
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I'm just saying, there is a
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right, and that could be kind
of unassuming. Yes, he's a powerful

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person. Sure, if you know
the names of everybody, you might know

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his name, but otherwise sort of
unassuming. And yet you know, sort

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of like all of a sudden,
you know, maybe a guy's working for

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one of the big laundry manufacturers in
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with a lot of his money for
some reason, you know, and is

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also at a girls' school. For
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until But here's the thing about this. The chaos you're describing in seventy three

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is really huge because you're talking about
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other now going after one another.
I contend that the CIA actually colluded,

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yeah, to take Richard Nixon out
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upset Apple cards here big time.
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah completely.

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I mean, the part of the
Wallgate episode looks at helms because I mean,

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wait, let me explain to you. Let me explain to you.

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Oh yeah, nineteen seventy three,
Stanley Pottinger, he's Assistant Attorney General.

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They stop throwing him at the big
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they stop throw him at the big
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everybody's busy with a Saturday night masko. All of the chaos go on in

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Washington, wounded knee happens, and
basically Stanley potting is the only one in

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the Justice Department apart from Frizzel,
who goes to deal with it. And

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they're the representatives who are trying to
calm down the standoff at Wounded Knee,

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which of course the Lakota Auglala sou
In Native Americans who had a standoff with

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members of the FBI and other forces
about the treatment of Indian people, led

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by Russell Means Pocahontas's dad in Disney. And there's other Listen, there's other

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things going on in America too,
other protests that are not necessarily as big

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as Wounded Knee, that are getting
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You have a leftist movement which is
very violent in America. Everybody forgets

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that, the very violent leftist movement
where you had bombings and things that were

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being planned, thwarted, etc.
I mean, there is a whole lot

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on everybody's played at this point,
not the least of which is, let

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me keep firing attorney generals until I
get borked to actually do what I want.

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Uh, you know Nixon, which
everybody focuses on, But meanwhile,

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that was not even a half the
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Vietnam not exactly going well. So
you know, you put all these

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suns together, go ahead. So
so so you've got you've got the Stanley

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Pottinger being sent and ends up he
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where everybody basically gets arrested all of
the time and and and harassed and and

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even though all the cases are thrown
out of court. You know, that's

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part of the the aftermath of Wounded
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you know, being involved in Kent
State massacret the grand jury at the

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Kent State shootings and organizing that in
a way that ended up with no indictments.

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You know, there was charges,
lesser charges, but no real big

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in charges. There was eight indictments, but there was there was no real

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justice. But then everybody praised him
as being or wonderful he's been involved in.

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You know, he's a guy who
stayed on. He got extra permission

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to stay on under Carter. Eventually
he was on and in under Nix and

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under Ford, and he ends up
staying on Underkata to end up finishing the

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Watergate investigation, where he says he's
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the head of the CIA, Stanley
Pottinger is the guy who goes and interviews

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the head of the CIA and sorts
it all out. And no, you

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know, it's fine. He's you
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Everything's fine. I interviewed Helms myself, and I'm the hero. He signs

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off the Kent State massacre. He
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You know, no conspiracy found.
Looked for all the evidence, Kent

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State looked for all the evidence.
Alan kafora later and the others juice tape

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that says shows there may be have
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looks like there's an order to fire, but at the time Stanley Potter is

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the one who kind of seals up
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the state. He looks like the
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mean, he's involved in all of these

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cases. And then this leads up
to Orlando Littalier in the assassinate. Assassination

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of Lando Lettalier outside Embassy Row as
part of Operation Condor, which was a

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mixed Latin American intelligence operation that didn't
only UH do operations on Latin America but

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around the world, and that was
a brazen attack. They blew up the

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land of Littalia Uhtier up outside the
Chilean embassy on Embassy Row. I mean

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and and uh, his assistant Ronnie
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And it was Pottinger, who's a
disc point, goes with Eugene prop who's

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in charge of the case, and
they go to who is Pottinger's one of

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Pottinger's very best friends, George H. W. Bush, who's the director

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of the CIA at that time,
And basically Pottinger and Bush get proper to

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agree with a plan to allow CIA
to use domestic surveillance of Americans under the

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pretext, oh, look, we
need to look for this operation condom what's

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happening, so we may as well
start at home, you know. And

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that was against the charter of the
CIA on its establishment. Who goes home?

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Who goes as potting is the one
who goes back, it says in

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the book about Orlando LeTellier assassination on
Embassy Road, it says that Potner goes

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back to the Justice Department, signs
it off, and comes back and it's

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done. Yeah. Well but this
okay, and all these things are going

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on, by the way, which
lead to guess what, the Rockefeller the

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Pike Commission, the let me think
here, what's another good one here in

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that time period, Let's see,
we got Rockefeller, we got Pike,

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we got oh, there's another good
one there too. Before we get to

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the House Select Committee on Assassinations in
seventy six, when they established that and

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hw Bush becomes ahead of the CIA. No, No, before that,

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there was a bunch of things where
they were looking into this collaboration, this

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overlap between crime the different intelligence agencies. What did the FBI know the CIA,

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not just regarding the assassinations of King
and Kennedy, who they looked into

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with the HSCA, but a whole
bunch of stuff. What was going on

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with ZR Rifle, What was happening
with the uh you know, the Operation

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Mongoose type stuff, which was all
about kil Castro, all of these things

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weather underground. Well then you got
the House on on American Activities. You

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know, all this stuff is swirling
around at this time. And this guy,

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no big deal. He's just the
guy who wound up talking to Helms.

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He's a guy on top of every
single level. And you know,

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this first series has six episodes.
There's going to be six episodes to the

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first three series. This first series
has six episodes. I've done everything in

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them, even down to the soundtrack. I wrote the soundtrack to every single

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part. Everything has been done by
me. I've tried to make it so

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digestible for everybody that it crosses boundaries
and that is segmental, so that it

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could be like like bite sized piece, but you could also watch it all

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together and it works as a larger
piece. But these first six episodes are

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like Wounded Knee, Kent State Watergate, Martin Luther King, Orlando Letelier and

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his girlfriend. This girlfriend's really important. He started dating it once. It

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was nineteen seventy four and he was
with it for ten years. Her name

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is Gloria Steinem and she's got a
hit for the CIA. Oh my god,

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did I uncover some stuff? I
mean, I went, I managed

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to. I mean I have help
here and there, but I managed to

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find the magazines that you won't find
online, books that you won't find online,

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things that Gloria Steine has seen disappear, and she's had some some some

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stuff happen, and there's a there's
like loads of weird links with both of

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them. They're very much on the
New York scene. And Gloria Steinem someone

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who worked for the CIA, came
from like went to Harvard to work for

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the CIA, went to did all
of these like Vienna You Festival and stuff

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and trying to rally up sort of
support against communism and all of that,

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and then went on to do the
thing of being like, oh, I'm

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a reporter now and I'm doing an
undercover story about being a playboy bunny and

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ty sexy and silly. Oh,
and now I'm a feminist ooh, and

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now I co opt the whole feminist
movement, push out all radical feminists out

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of the movement, keep it.
So it's a really bland, what Camille

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uh Pallias calls Betty Crocker style of
feminism that doesn't allow for any changes and

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keeps the status quo just as the
CIA would want it, and creates a

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magazine called Miss Magazine, which kind
of forges the female view very much for

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people. So it's a very much
a narrative set. And that's his girlfriend

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said, both, that's Miss Magazine. No, that's Miss Magazine. And

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and you're also talking about the you
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romanticization. Romanticization excuse me, you
know of this time period, right,

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it was the freedom. It was
the you know, the freedom of sexuality,

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it was the freedom of women.
It was the oh, the Equal

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Rights Amendment, and that thing was
battered around. I remember that as a

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child, constantly being discussed the era, the E R, the era.

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You know, I'm like, I
see that term in baseball. Later I

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said, what the hell the Equal
Rights Amendment? Right? I didn't learn

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baseball until I was six. I
read about the era because my father had

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me reading newspapers when I was three. But the R E R. It

408
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:24.200
was like this weird transition. And
she was clearly, in my estimation,

409
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:30.680
an asset for the CIA the whole
time, provably an asset for ten years,

410
00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:35.920
provably an asset between nineteen fifty eight
nine to sixty eight nine, easily,

411
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right. But then after she's an
asset, you know, like Anderson

412
00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:43.880
Cooper, right after he's trained at
the CIA, he's magically on CNN for

413
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:46.160
the next you know, twenty years. Yeah, but like she was magically

414
00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:52.920
like thrown into this center ring of
the media circus after she's an asset.

415
00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:57.400
And you know, with the old
joke, you will love I promise you

416
00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:01.680
you will love the Gloria Steinem episode
if you love you know all of that

417
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:06.119
information, you know the subjects,
and you know. This is what I

418
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:08.839
try and make it. I'm trying
to make it so that that a beginner

419
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:15.000
can come along and learn a load
of information, really really taking the views

420
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:21.640
that are being like co opted or
pushed out and hidden from view, trying

421
00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:25.640
to get them to look at everything
within context and understand enough, and for

422
00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:29.799
experts to come along and look at
it and say, oh my god,

423
00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:31.680
yes that, oh my god,
yes that. You know, it's gotta

424
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:37.640
have something for both grades. And
this is really important. It goes on.

425
00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:39.480
This is going to go on.
So the first six episodes are out,

426
00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:44.359
but Stanley Pottinger wasn't only I've already
I mean already if you want to

427
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:47.200
go and read The Partyinger Identity,
which is the first part of this series.

428
00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:51.640
The second part will be The Partinger
Supremacy, and the third part will

429
00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:55.519
be the Parting Ultimatum that ends up
with Jeffrey Epstein. Right, with Jeffrey

430
00:33:55.519 --> 00:34:00.480
Eppstein, you can't get closer than
with Jeffrey Eppstein, Right, I mean,

431
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:05.359
you can't get closer. The second
one goes through he was involved,

432
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:10.719
even though he was involved in some
really amazingly big legal stuff. After leaving

433
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:19.599
office in nineteen seventy seven, he
was also involved central in Iran Contra and

434
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:24.639
the October Surprise Central And that was
for his buddy George H. W.

435
00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:30.880
Bush to get into office. You
know, that was really he was the

436
00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:35.719
main man meeting and arranging all of
the meetings that were happening in Europe with

437
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:43.119
Casey and others. And that whole
thing was set up by Partninger and Cyrus

438
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:50.760
Hashemi. And Cyrus Hashemi was his
business partner and he represented him as well,

439
00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:57.960
so he represented both Jampshit and Cyrus
Ashemi. Now smuggling guns in around

440
00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:05.119
Contra this time funding and smuggling with
the CIA buddies. Over here is also

441
00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:09.960
ad Nanka Shogi and Jeffrey Epstein.
Of course, so already to Pottinger and

442
00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:15.280
Jeffrey Epstein meet and Pottinger admits this
later on to Bradley Edwards, and it

443
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:19.559
comes up in Bradley Edwards, another
lawyer that one of the main lawyers for

444
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:24.480
Epstein victims. He admits that he
shared an office during this period with Jeffrey

445
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:30.639
Epstein. The reason why this is
so important is Stanley Pottinger is one of

446
00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:35.760
the lead lawyers for the Jeffrey Epstein
for the bulk of Jeffrey Epstein victims.

447
00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:39.480
Was he's had to step aside.
Now, Oh he's a bit old,

448
00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:43.559
you know. No, no,
now it's better. Now it's out.

449
00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:46.159
You better hide him. But there's
something else, you know. After he

450
00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:52.239
went into he the FBI and I
might not been an FBI, but it

451
00:35:52.360 --> 00:36:00.079
was some sort of federal agency were
bugging Cyrus Femi's office and discovered all about

452
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:07.199
around Contra. He was also involved
in Space Research Company and Gerald Bull and

453
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:10.639
that stuff as well, but they
had discovered about that, and so they

454
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:16.119
outed Stanley Pottinger being central to around
Contra. It's all over them. It

455
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:19.639
was in the New York Times.
He goes and hides off in Mexico,

456
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:22.280
and then his best friend takes office, George H. W. Bush,

457
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:27.320
and he comes back and he becomes
like a member of the Rocket Fellow Foundation.

458
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:32.920
He becomes a member of the un
and he re establishes himself as a

459
00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:38.920
best selling author. By the nineties, he is living in Palm Beach.

460
00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:45.840
In nineteen ninety buys his Palm Beach
home. The same time Jeffrey Epstein within

461
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:50.559
a couple of months, So Jeffrey
Epstein's buying his Palm Beach home, and

462
00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:58.760
they five hundred meters apart five as
the crow flies. They were close neighbors,

463
00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:06.119
Jeffrey Eppstein and the lead lawyer for
Jeffrey Epstein's victim. So that that's

464
00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:10.360
the second part that the eighties around
contrast space research, arm and hammer and

465
00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:15.920
the case he did against Mead and
other things, really interesting stuff. And

466
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:19.920
then and then the third of course
we get into the Epstein saga, because

467
00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:27.280
that is meetings in Boca rat and
Starbucks with Jeffrey Exeider, Bradley Edwards discussing

468
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:34.559
all manner of things for eight years, eight years unbelievable stuff, unbelievable stuff,

469
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:37.519
and Stanley Pottinger the whole time.
In brad Edwards's book, if you

470
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:40.880
rate read Relentless Pursuit, number one, your eyes are bleeding, but number

471
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:45.519
two the worst thing I view and
being rude, it is not. It's

472
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:51.000
not the worst book. But the
one thing you'll notice is that Bradley Edwards

473
00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:55.559
makes it clear the entire time that
he thinks Stanley Pottinger is the CIA works

474
00:37:55.559 --> 00:38:00.559
for the CIA, is a super
spy, good does everything, knows everybody,

475
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:06.599
can get anything done for anybody,
and he still goes and forms a

476
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:12.800
legal practice Edwards Parttinger, where one
of the first like clients is the course

477
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:21.079
Virginia Goufrey, the most recognized.
I literally as soon as as soon as

478
00:38:21.079 --> 00:38:24.719
she came back, That's when Stanley
Potinger introduced himself to Edwards. Hi,

479
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:30.480
you might not know me, but
I have something in common with you.

480
00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:35.519
I'm Stanley Pottinger, and off he
goes. By this point, he's stand

481
00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:37.920
the man. By that point,
he's standing mat He starts off Jay.

482
00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:43.360
Stanley Pottinger goes on John. Stanley
Pottinger becomes Stanley Partinger, and then he

483
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:47.599
becomes stan Partinger, and then he
becomes stan The man can do anything for

484
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:52.119
anybody, get away with anything.
So if you need the CIA to be

485
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:58.719
all over the Epstein case and controlling
everything, who do you get in apart

486
00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:02.360
from one of your top assets who
has proven himself over years that he can

487
00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:07.880
slippery snake out of every situation,
and he's been involved in everything. One

488
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:14.719
thread that links, Yeah, they're
you know, they're not even tenureus links.

489
00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:21.880
They're him interviewing the director of the
CIA and finding no conspiracy. It's

490
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:25.440
him looking at the main evidence and
having the choice of what they put forward.

491
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:30.239
It's him deciding on all of the
evidence when the FBI. Can you

492
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:35.760
imagine the amount of evidence that would
have said Martin Luther king assassination was obviously

493
00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:39.159
a conspiracy, and he ignored it
them all. He you know, this

494
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:44.239
is crazy. He's central to all
of these things and then goes on to

495
00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:47.199
be a CIA superspy setting up Iran
contra and smuggling guns with Jeffrey Epstein.

496
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:51.679
Oh my god. So it was
an amazing story, an amazing journey.

497
00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:58.239
Wrecked my life in many ways I
can't even tell you. And so so

498
00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:02.239
this is what I'm doing now.
I'm making it so that this first series

499
00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:08.800
you can go read the parting identity
and you'll have you have. There's other

500
00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:12.840
things where I go through the source
material for three hours with a group of

501
00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:17.760
people, with a couple of people. There's there's basically six seven eight hours

502
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:24.440
of content within one article for people
to consume and learn every single bit about

503
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:29.960
each of the context to just a
paragraph, just so that they can get

504
00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:34.280
like this massive wider understanding without having
to do much work. They don't,

505
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:37.880
you know, the music will keep
you with. I try and make it

506
00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:42.280
so that it's edited to get to
propel you forward, to make you want

507
00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:45.760
to know more. I've had to
really work at my own skill at this,

508
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:52.360
and I've every episode I'm proud of, and I mean, I really

509
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:58.800
it's got a banging soundtrack, an
unbelievable soundtrack. Yeah, absolut listen all

510
00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:00.599
the way around. I want to
tell you. I mean, I'm not

511
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:02.400
just telling you this because you agreed
to do my show. Uh, but

512
00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:07.039
I mean I have told people.
I've had people give me documentaries before here.

513
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:09.639
I'm gonna give you the and they're
very generous and they're very nice and

514
00:41:09.679 --> 00:41:14.039
everything, but sometimes I tell them
my opinion and stuff, and all of

515
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:16.800
a sudden they don't want to do
my show because some people have done bad

516
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:21.800
jobs. They have good information even
but it's a bad film. You know,

517
00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:24.119
Sorry, you didn't do it right, you didn't vet your information.

518
00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:28.000
You did a bad job. Look, the information is great, but the

519
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:32.679
film sucks. This is really a
brilliant piece, man, Like I was

520
00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:36.199
not aware that you did it all
because I didn't pay attention to that part.

521
00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:40.559
I was gonna ask you because it's
really well done. The music is

522
00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:45.480
very cool. It's not like some
massive major production that like just pulls you

523
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:51.639
out of the situation. It actually
pulls you into it. It's very mood

524
00:41:51.679 --> 00:41:53.960
generating. You wrote all that too, huh yeah, yeah, it's mamatic

525
00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:59.360
as well at times. So with
the Martin Luther King intro, you've got

526
00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:06.880
like the famous scene of them pointing
upwards from where the shooter supposedly is and

527
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:09.519
then kind of like as as the
sound goes, so does a camera and

528
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:15.880
kind of like I'm I'm a musician, so so I spent years right songs,

529
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:20.800
loads of stuff, and there's a
visual there's a visual rhythm here where

530
00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:23.760
the the photographs. Even when you're
giving us a still, the photograph still

531
00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:29.199
continues to move so that it's in
time with what it is I'm hearing behind

532
00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:34.159
it. It's it's it's synchronized like
that. And also even the editing speed

533
00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:37.360
that changes here and there, when
it does change, it has a rhythm

534
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:44.079
to it that is comfortable. It's
not like I would love. I would

535
00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:47.360
love. I would love if I
could find loads of people to work with,

536
00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:54.519
but I'm censored so much that I
don't find anybody, So I have

537
00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:59.559
to learn. I have to learn
how to do all of this myself if

538
00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:02.199
I was going to be able to
do it, And I think, really,

539
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:07.199
it just kind of and I have
to say the whole series I started

540
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:13.280
a month and a half ago,
everything right in the soundtrack, everything like

541
00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:16.679
that. First literally the first thing
is I had the vision of what I

542
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:22.039
needed to do. I'd already felt
that one of the most important things that

543
00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:24.639
I need to do in the future
is break up my work so it can

544
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:30.400
be watched in long form and short
form, and that the segments are full

545
00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:36.599
of knowledge and context and give people
a sense of understanding that they then feel

546
00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:40.840
confident about discussing the thing. And
that's one of the most important thing about

547
00:43:40.840 --> 00:43:45.679
the realm of conspiracy is people feel
afraid about discussing because they don't have contextual

548
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:50.119
knowledge and they feel out of depth. The best thing is to give people

549
00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:54.719
complete wings, give them knowledge that
no one else has and will interest other

550
00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:59.559
people. This is another compliment I
want to drop on you. Is that

551
00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:04.159
immediate. That's why I wanted to
play that opening clip because you're kind of

552
00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:07.960
bridging the gap here. You're giving
us the very alcoholic the pedestrian view,

553
00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:14.800
the very commonplace view of these things, the very recognizable clips, the very

554
00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:16.639
like I know exactly what I'm listening
to. Even if I was somebody who

555
00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:21.519
watched, you know, public broadcasting
in America, I'd be familiar with some

556
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:24.360
of the stuff that you're rushing at
me. It's not all just you know,

557
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:30.079
deep dive into the conspiracy realm.
You've taken some of the pedestrian stuff,

558
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:34.639
put it in there and mixed it
in so that we go on this

559
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:37.480
journey and it does exactly what you
say it does. Where you get an

560
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:42.639
introduction, look somewhere along the line, you can pick this up right.

561
00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:46.199
So you're giving us a lot of
different entries onto the bridge to get there

562
00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:51.920
to take this trip with you.
And that's the way I shoud it interested.

563
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:58.719
If you're not interested in any of
those bits, then the music and

564
00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:05.480
the feeling and the visuals I hope
are enough to let people have like twenty

565
00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:09.760
one minutes twenty that's all each episode. It can be about twenty four minutes

566
00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:15.119
in total, about twenty twenty one
minutes with credits, like that amount of

567
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:19.719
time. If you even if someone
doesn't like the subject, if you can

568
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:23.000
get someone to sit through and start
taking in some of this information. Just

569
00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:28.480
learning one little bit is more than
not knowing, you know, And that's

570
00:45:28.519 --> 00:45:31.760
one of the Oh man, I'm
so excited about this because it's got its

571
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:36.559
own momentum. I already did all
the research, because I mean, my

572
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:39.239
articles are sourced up the wazoo.
If you go and look at the Pottinger

573
00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:45.000
identity and count how many sources are
in there, and look at the quality

574
00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:46.880
of those sources, it will blow
your mind. Because I don't put anything

575
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:52.719
in an article unless I can prove
it with something that is concrete. And

576
00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:57.119
so you know, I've already done
so much research on this, gone through

577
00:45:57.119 --> 00:46:00.760
this so much that I know it
inside and out. But when I'm making

578
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:06.800
these segments, I'm going on a
journey where I always I used to think

579
00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:09.719
I knew subjects. I know Walkgate
or I know Martin Luther King Orphing.

580
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:14.440
And I go on that journey and
I find clips, and I look for

581
00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:17.639
everything, and I find things I'm
not expecting at all, and I go

582
00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:22.599
down rabbit holes I'm not expecting at
all, and I find I discover,

583
00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:28.119
I discover the context of a situation. And usually it's not that hard to

584
00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:34.000
understand. You know who James o'ray
is. It's not that hard. You

585
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:37.880
could be distracted by just looking at
the main clips, the main things.

586
00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:39.039
Ah, look, he's in jail, he's in jail. He's in jail.

587
00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:42.639
He's in jail. That visit him
with the rifle. But if you

588
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:46.280
go and learn about who is family
our the people who were around in the

589
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:50.920
case, and that's one of the
interesting thing about the Martin Luther King case.

590
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:55.719
The people who are actually surrounding all
of the people all had like characters

591
00:46:55.800 --> 00:47:00.280
galore. You know, the people
who owned the flop house where the shots

592
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:05.280
apparently fired from their characters. The
people next door who run the five and

593
00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:07.960
dime their characters, the ones down
the road to Jowers, Lloyd Jowers,

594
00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:14.800
who eventually claims to have been part
of the conspiracy to assassinate Martin Luther King,

595
00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:17.960
well kind of only if you let
it give me immunity. And the

596
00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:22.559
husband and wife who you know,
winds up the husband becomes one of the

597
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:24.440
main witnesses and all that. And
meanwhile he was yeah, yeah, yeah,

598
00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:30.480
that's drug all the time. His
wife. Even though the clip isn't

599
00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:32.960
in it, I did watch a
clip with his wife, and it's just

600
00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:37.639
unbelievable. I mean, they have
no idea what they're doing. They're just

601
00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:42.840
looking for money. Most people,
it seems that you can't you can't tell

602
00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:45.880
what's true or not. And then
she winds up getting stuck in the hospital

603
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:50.719
and every I mean, it's a
whole then every Yeah, when when you

604
00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:57.039
got the pointing the kneeling man,
you know that what's his name Meryl McCullough

605
00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:02.400
back, Yeah, who's who's the
CIA operate? Who's an informant? It

606
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:06.559
was an informant, it was with
the invaders previous to that, and then

607
00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:08.800
yeah, the whole yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean understanding

608
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:15.079
and the holes in the case and
looking at it from that perspective and seeing

609
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:19.480
that that you know, also like
there's a very small clip I thought it

610
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:24.239
was very important the Phil Donahue show
where you get to see Jerry Ray James

611
00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:27.760
L. Ray's brothers. You get
to see what type of character is he

612
00:48:27.800 --> 00:48:30.760
looks a little bit like a low
level gangster, you know his character.

613
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:35.960
But you get to see this really
interesting moment where Phil Donahue asks people out

614
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:39.679
loud something they don't like doing anymore. Who thinks this wasn't a conspiracy,

615
00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:44.800
and who thinks this was a conspiracy? And you get to see that the

616
00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:47.119
people at the time, truly the
ones who were closest to it, who

617
00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:52.639
had the most like sort of knowledge
about the actual event because it was so

618
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:55.480
close to them, they all had
their hands up saying, yeah, there's

619
00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:59.880
a conspiracy. There's more than one
thing going on. And even you know,

620
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:02.800
even when you investigate the case,
it becomes clear that I think James

621
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:09.079
Earl Ray couldn't tell it his whole
story because it would mean his brother gets

622
00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:14.440
arrested and ends up doing life in
prison and they still won't get a trial.

623
00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:15.880
Well, there was a lot of
leverage and when he tried to get

624
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:19.599
a retrial that that story. I
don't know if you're going to include it

625
00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:22.719
in there, but that story is
absolutely insane too. I Mean, every

626
00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:27.920
single aspect of this case goes into
bizarre directions. You end up with the

627
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:34.719
TV judge Joe Brown getting involved at
some pointesting I like it. Listen,

628
00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:37.280
he is a guy. You might
not like him, but you gotta respect

629
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:43.400
the position he took and and he
paid for it too. When okay,

630
00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:49.400
so they dropped the retrial on somebody's
desk. This guy battle dies with the

631
00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:52.920
retrial on his desk, which means
they're supposed to automatically grant it. They

632
00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:57.039
don't. They end up hnding it
to Joe Brown. Joe Brown wants to

633
00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:00.880
do ballistics tests and they kick him
in the hell out. And I mean,

634
00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:04.920
I'm shortening up the story in between
yet, because in between is another

635
00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:09.840
attorney that dies who's out to put
forward paperwork for a trial and then dies

636
00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:16.159
as well. And then James Lmay
dies and then which is unbelievable but most

637
00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:19.079
bizarre, and then what do we
end up with, Well, we do

638
00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:22.920
end up with something interesting, which
you know, the King family did uh.

639
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:25.239
I think it was a dexter and
maybe Martin Luther the third uh.

640
00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:30.079
But either way, some some of
the King family went forward with that civil

641
00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:36.639
trial and that has an interesting result
that nobody wants to talk about where,

642
00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:40.840
you know. Indeed, and look, I argue with William Pepper's conclusions in

643
00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:45.639
some cases, but he kicked over
a lot of rocks. Again, every

644
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:49.639
time you kick something over in that
case, it goes tend to yeah,

645
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:52.599
which is the most bizarre thing.
And this is something I noticed about the

646
00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:55.199
JFK Case as well. Johnny,
and I want your take on this real

647
00:50:55.280 --> 00:50:59.880
quick, and we're going to conclude
this pretty soon because I want people to

648
00:50:59.920 --> 00:51:04.199
be excited for the next five episodes
that come up, and by the time

649
00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:07.239
we release this, it'll be right
at that time you'll be able to go

650
00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:09.800
on you you're gonna put them all
on YouTube, right yeah, yeah,

651
00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:15.360
it'll be on a YouTube Rumble of
Rock Finn twenty second, twenty twenty four,

652
00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:19.079
twenty fifth, twenty six exactly,
So over the Christmas time, starting

653
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:22.840
on the twenty second, we're gonna
see these episodes drop. So today nineteenth,

654
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:27.239
okay, it'll be and I'll have
it out by tomorrow. But as

655
00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:30.440
i'm speaking, it's the nineteenth,
so start to look for it. As

656
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:34.239
you guys picked this up, go
check it out. Only the first episode

657
00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:37.079
I'm looking at right now. But
you guys need to see this because if

658
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:45.079
he's done this in the same way
the journalism is commensurate with the visual presentation

659
00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:49.599
and the audio presentation, this is
a hell of a good package. And

660
00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:53.360
I'm not just saying this because he's
here. It's really great and it is

661
00:51:53.480 --> 00:51:57.679
accessible. Even if you want to
show this to friends you want to watch

662
00:51:57.679 --> 00:52:00.760
this with other people. Oh,
I'm into my cans spiracy stuff. But

663
00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:05.320
I can only watch that on my
own. No, you could put this

664
00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:08.519
on in front of other people.
They'll recognize what's going on up to a

665
00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:13.800
certain point. They'll be able to
relate to a lot of familiar things up

666
00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:17.559
to a certain point. But then
we get into Johnny's specialty, which is,

667
00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:22.480
as he said, getting into things
that nobody else does and getting at

668
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:25.480
people that nobody else does and getting
it so you get in the point I

669
00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:30.280
think you are anyway, not you, john I'm talking to the person who's

670
00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:32.800
looking at on the camera. But
here's the thing. Uh So i want

671
00:52:32.840 --> 00:52:36.400
you guys to check it out,
and I'm gonna give you the links to

672
00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:39.559
well, I'll give you the link
to the first episode, but follow through

673
00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:44.079
and get the next ones. Maybe
we'll add to them after you know,

674
00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:46.239
the post is up and if you
go back and check the show notes later.

675
00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:49.960
See the dogs are excited behind me. I know you can hear the

676
00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:53.119
puppies. I got six puppies in
a box over here, and they're all

677
00:52:53.199 --> 00:52:59.320
listen to them. You hear that
job. They're all excited. It's and

678
00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:01.159
it is something to be excited about
it. It's a unique piece of work,

679
00:53:01.519 --> 00:53:07.000
and I've watched tons of documentaries on
exactly this subject, exactly the subjects

680
00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:12.000
revolving around many of these subjects.
I see a bunch of clips in there

681
00:53:12.039 --> 00:53:19.119
with j Jim Deugenio, who I'm
familiar with but legend him. I like

682
00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:22.159
how he describes things. I like
how he describes things he described. I

683
00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:27.000
don't agree with some of his conclusions
same, I don't agree with some of

684
00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:31.239
the sides he takes, but the
way he describes things with enthusiasm, especially

685
00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:37.880
in like two thousand and four interview
that I've seen with him, he's really

686
00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:42.000
like he's got so much fire,
Like he's vibrates. Meant he wants,

687
00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:44.639
he wants to tell the story.
And I like that. I love that.

688
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:47.039
But in a long time, you
know, he's an interesting resource because

689
00:53:47.039 --> 00:53:51.280
a long time he was not only
writing his own stuff, but having other

690
00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:53.559
people write for him at Pro Magazine
and now at Kennedy's and King, et

691
00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:57.760
cetera. I had two of his
co authors on the JFK show, Colds

692
00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:01.960
Book on the show last week,
and it is really interesting work. And

693
00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:06.320
you have to involve this guy in
order to let him tell some of those

694
00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:08.639
stories because he's been telling him so
long. I mean, you know,

695
00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:12.039
it's sort of like if you could
have had access to Mark Lane, you

696
00:54:12.039 --> 00:54:15.920
probably would have grabbed him too,
because there's a guy who was involved in

697
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:17.920
things new doctor King, et cetera. Now, I know, we got

698
00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:23.559
plenty of questions about anyway, we'll
leave that alone. The point is that

699
00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:29.239
there is something about the public presentation
that's important. And I love this.

700
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:32.199
This is a well rounded thing that
you put together here. So okay,

701
00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:36.960
I've got questions though, just a
couple real quick. You know. The

702
00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:40.360
first thing is, once we go
through this, okay, what is the

703
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:45.159
overall point that you're making here?
I don't want to make it sound like,

704
00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:50.000
so what's the point, But I
mean, why is this guy?

705
00:54:50.119 --> 00:54:52.880
You've described why he's important, he's
at the center of all these different things.

706
00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:59.719
But what is it about this guy
that caught your attention that made you

707
00:54:59.800 --> 00:55:01.840
say, wait a minute, this
is a guy who needs to be pushed

708
00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:06.960
into the light. Is there something
I mean, because I mean it's it's

709
00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:09.400
obvious with you know, he's five
hundred feet away from Epstein's house. He's

710
00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:14.039
obviously involved in all these things.
Oh boy, in case you missed it,

711
00:55:14.360 --> 00:55:17.199
the guy who was you know,
right there, Epstein's neighbor winds up

712
00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:22.400
working for the legal process for his
victims. Later on. Something wrong there.

713
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:28.159
I think that's an ethical problem.
Maybe you know, I'm being facetious.

714
00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:30.920
But the pointer is that all of
this makes sense. But what is

715
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:35.400
it that really gotten me? Oh? You want it to have to go

716
00:55:35.519 --> 00:55:38.280
for it? Yeah, tell me, okay, okay. Well, first

717
00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:43.519
of all, I had to solve
the riddle of Maria Farmer and why something

718
00:55:43.559 --> 00:55:45.599
had happened to me. And I
went through this, and I went through

719
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:51.880
this process and discovered all of this
stuff, and it led to the cup

720
00:55:51.960 --> 00:55:55.480
dropping moment, you know, It
led to the moment where I realized something

721
00:55:57.119 --> 00:56:02.079
so much bigger about the Epstein case
that is extremely unpopular and was part of

722
00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:07.480
the reason that some of my previous
relationships at the end, because the people

723
00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:12.920
are not very happy about me saying
this out loud, are you going to

724
00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:21.559
tell that personal story in this series? No, Let's see, let's see,

725
00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:23.320
let's see, let's see where we
Let's see where we go. Let's

726
00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:27.760
see where we go. Because there
is there is, there is the fourth

727
00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:31.360
and fifth I already know what they
have to be. The fourth series I

728
00:56:31.360 --> 00:56:38.079
can't even talk about yet. With
the articles are called the Road to the

729
00:56:38.119 --> 00:56:43.880
Takedown of Jeffrey Epstein, and that
leads to the takedown of Jeffrey Epstein,

730
00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:50.599
So that leads to what I believe. I can present evidence to show what

731
00:56:50.760 --> 00:56:54.679
happened, and the potting a link
is there really strong all of the way

732
00:56:54.679 --> 00:57:00.280
through. But that's not I mean
the real cup drop in moment and the

733
00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:05.280
real thing that blew me away and
made me realize something that was grander,

734
00:57:05.800 --> 00:57:10.320
that is really unpopular, was that
it did not make any sense that everybody

735
00:57:10.360 --> 00:57:17.159
says Jeffrey Epstein is a Mossad.
I understand why. I understand the links

736
00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:25.639
of and Robert Maxwell in the background
and his Maxwell. Maxwell worked in every

737
00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:31.000
intelligence agency, and every intelligence agency
worked with Maxwell. That was the way

738
00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:36.559
it worked. Eventually that caught up
with him and he was ended by one

739
00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:40.480
of those intelligence agencies because he had
done too much work for other intelligencies.

740
00:57:40.679 --> 00:57:47.280
Right, you know when you find
out like when Brian mulroney, the Prime

741
00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:57.000
Minister of Canada, was called to
the ritz by by him and he's Robert

742
00:57:57.000 --> 00:58:01.480
Maxwell sitting there like the king with
a brain and glass and Maroney sits down

743
00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:06.440
and Robert Maxwell tells him, no
one knows this yet, but Margaret Thatcher

744
00:58:06.519 --> 00:58:09.800
is going to stand down tomorrow.
And it's like he knows everything before everybody.

745
00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:14.599
He's there everywhere or for out.
Yes, yes he is. But

746
00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:17.719
just because you're linked with him or
your rise is connected with him in some

747
00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:22.159
way, does not make you automatically
the moss Ad, because it doesn't make

748
00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:27.239
any sense. Stanley Pottinger made me
understand that, because Stanley Pottinger is a

749
00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:30.679
deep, dark CIA man, and
if you go back through the history,

750
00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:32.880
you then look at it and you
say, well, wait a minute.

751
00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:37.599
Jeffrey Epstein was trained by the CIA, recruited by the CIA. He run

752
00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:43.000
guns in CIA operations with the CIA, He worked with the CIA, was

753
00:58:43.039 --> 00:58:47.119
in the New York clique where everybody's
in the CIA, all of the people

754
00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:52.360
who are linked with him as CIA. And then he starts running East coast

755
00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:59.239
of America for the CIA. So
it looks like everybody wants you to say

756
00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:04.320
he was for a reason, because
then you don't have to have congressional hearings

757
00:59:04.320 --> 00:59:09.039
and Senate hearings and all of those
different things about activities on American soil.

758
00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:13.599
They're just saying, as soon as
you say it's the Mossad, everything all

759
00:59:13.639 --> 00:59:19.119
of that goes away. It's the
perfect trick to stop anybody investigating the fact

760
00:59:19.159 --> 00:59:23.639
that every single person who gets on
that plane is going to talk with the

761
00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:28.880
guy who's running the East Coast for
the CIA. Then everybody, all of

762
00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:32.599
those people suddenly are somehow connected to
the CIA. Yes, of course Echubarac

763
00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:37.519
comes and bows Andy, because you
have to. If you're going to do

764
00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:40.760
any operations with Black Cube and other
things are on American soil, then you

765
00:59:40.880 --> 00:59:45.559
need to kiss the ring of the
CIA. And that's why Epstein was and

766
00:59:45.639 --> 00:59:49.840
Epstein was the king of doing everything. There's not many fixers at his level,

767
00:59:49.880 --> 00:59:52.800
as Stanley Partinger's level, at Hunt
Biden's level. There's not many of

768
00:59:52.840 --> 00:59:58.440
those fixers around. There's only a
few who have that ability to wriggle out

769
00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:02.840
of nearly every situation, and eventually
they get something catches up with her most

770
01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:07.119
of the time, and it's usually
their sexual stuff. You know. Stanley

771
01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:12.199
Pottinger was in a sense lucky in
that reason because he stayed with Gloria Steinem

772
01:00:12.199 --> 01:00:16.199
for such a long time. But
I know he was a randy guy,

773
01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:22.159
because the rumor has it, and
for multiple people, I've seen text evidence

774
01:00:22.280 --> 01:00:25.639
to support this that she was in
a relationship. Maria Farmer, who originally

775
01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:30.440
started off, was in a relationship
with Stanley Bucker, even though he's twenty

776
01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:35.079
years of senior. And so it's
suddenly then that made a lot of sense.

777
01:00:35.519 --> 01:00:38.760
And the reason why they keep Maria
Farm at a distance yet still pay

778
01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:43.719
her off and don't include her in
the case completely. You know that that

779
01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:50.159
is really notable. But I think
this CIA fingerprints all over Epstein and the

780
01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:52.400
whole time. The first thing the
CIA did as soon as they knew it

781
01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:55.159
was going to come out, as
soon as they knew that this had to

782
01:00:55.199 --> 01:00:59.159
go forward, they'd already prepared it. They're the ones who were in control

783
01:00:59.199 --> 01:01:04.199
of the case. Epstein wasn't in
control of just the one side, the

784
01:01:04.239 --> 01:01:08.079
prosecution the defense. He was in
control of the prosecution and the defense.

785
01:01:08.360 --> 01:01:14.599
He created both both times. On
the first occasion he got tried and the

786
01:01:14.679 --> 01:01:19.800
second occasion. People think it's different
in twenty thirteen and fourteen, well twenty

787
01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:23.360
fourteen, really, when there's the
second process really starts to build with the

788
01:01:23.400 --> 01:01:28.880
return of Virginia Goufrey after she's interviewed
by the FBI in late twenty thirteen.

789
01:01:28.920 --> 01:01:32.679
That returns in twenty fourteen. I
think that's the and then the case starts

790
01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:37.800
up properly there. That was the
decision. They were in and out talking

791
01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:42.639
with jeff Reppsign Jeffy Reppstein knew the
game. See, that's the major difference.

792
01:01:42.679 --> 01:01:45.719
That's the major difference in misunderstanding that
people have, Like they go,

793
01:01:45.800 --> 01:01:49.599
oh, organized crime and the CIA. Listen, there's a big difference here.

794
01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:53.559
When organized crime wants to fix a
boxing match, they pay off one

795
01:01:53.599 --> 01:01:59.599
fighter to throw it. Okay,
When the CIA wants to fix a boxing

796
01:01:59.639 --> 01:02:02.239
match, or when the intelligence agencies
want to fix a boxing match, they

797
01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:07.639
pay both fighters. Okay, that's
the way you do it. And that's

798
01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:10.719
the big difference here. And that's
the funny part. Like I always felt

799
01:02:10.719 --> 01:02:15.920
that the whole reason why everybody went
Masad Masad Massad was simply Epstein. It

800
01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:21.599
was well jew Therefore that's what they
kept doing. And oh, look Maxwell,

801
01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:24.280
it's the tool though, that's the
easiest tool for easy i A to

802
01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:29.519
use to just push out that you
don't even have to you don't even have

803
01:02:29.639 --> 01:02:30.880
to be a member of the IA, to be pushing out that you can

804
01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:36.559
be just funded by overloaded people all
suddenly give you a load of money and

805
01:02:36.880 --> 01:02:38.360
you've got a load of money too, and you're able to say it over

806
01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:40.519
and over again. The more you
say it, the more you get rewarded.

807
01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:45.400
So blah blah bah, and everybody
speaks the line. But these loads

808
01:02:45.440 --> 01:02:52.280
of is listen when when this is
when? This is when angel investors show

809
01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:55.239
up with you know, boxes full
of gold bars and it's some anonymous name

810
01:02:55.280 --> 01:03:00.039
that actually leads to nowhere because guess
what, Yeah, you were just wondered

811
01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:04.800
by them. That's how this goes. I mean, you know when when

812
01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:09.000
Bradley Edwards, when brad let me
just say quickly, when Bradley Edwards one

813
01:03:09.039 --> 01:03:15.920
of the lead lawyers, I mean, when met Pottinger and Bowie at their

814
01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:21.400
offices. It was the same offices
of that of Darren indyke Epstein's lawyers.

815
01:03:22.280 --> 01:03:28.000
Bowie's appeared on Epstein's notepad in two
thousand and five, I think it is

816
01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:34.199
just before his arrest. There's loads
of links there that show that the top

817
01:03:34.320 --> 01:03:39.199
level, the top fixes the people
like this brought the man stand Pottinger out

818
01:03:39.199 --> 01:03:44.800
of retirement, the man who was
central to Martin Luther King, wounded knee,

819
01:03:44.840 --> 01:03:49.079
Watergate, who was played a central
role in the Orlando retaliate, domestic

820
01:03:49.199 --> 01:03:55.119
surveillance, who played a central role
in Around Contra, and many more things.

821
01:03:55.559 --> 01:04:00.239
This brought him out of retirement to
do one lone us job, and

822
01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:05.400
it was a job was to cover
up the CIA's own mess by having both

823
01:04:05.440 --> 01:04:11.719
sides. And so that's the last
article is called the Pottinger ultimatum. And

824
01:04:11.840 --> 01:04:15.960
really the ultimatum was given to Jeffrey
Epstein in two thousand and five, two

825
01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:19.079
thousand and four, two thousand and
five. If he did nothing, the

826
01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:24.960
consequences would be dire because if you
think about the ratio of abuse, if

827
01:04:25.039 --> 01:04:28.199
he was having two to three messages
the day, that's two point five save

828
01:04:28.280 --> 01:04:31.960
for ten years, that's eight thousand
plus counts of assault. That's crazy.

829
01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:36.960
Time. You know who who does
open door prison cell you know, left

830
01:04:38.000 --> 01:04:45.480
open you set up a non government
and non a nonprofit in yeah, and

831
01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:49.239
give yourself work release. But none
of that. The second time, they're

832
01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:55.000
still doing the same game. It's
just he just co opts all of the

833
01:04:55.079 --> 01:04:59.440
sides. He's amazing Epstein. He
is amazing. Yeah, you they want

834
01:04:59.480 --> 01:05:01.840
to just pay as just one thing. Yeah, he was a dead perfect

835
01:05:01.920 --> 01:05:04.679
we all know it, but he
was so much more, so much.

836
01:05:04.719 --> 01:05:08.960
Well, and that's the last question
I want to ask you, because so

837
01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:11.440
now we've been well over an hour, and I told you we'd only run

838
01:05:11.480 --> 01:05:15.800
about an hour. But here we
are. Here's the thing. Are we

839
01:05:15.920 --> 01:05:19.559
going to get to the well,
what in the hell is going on with

840
01:05:19.719 --> 01:05:26.400
Glaine now? Because everybody's got questions
about this Now it seems like the story

841
01:05:26.440 --> 01:05:30.400
has almost died recently right where you
know, the old media was very hot

842
01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:32.639
on it. The mainstream media got
into it. I mean, for god's

843
01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:39.039
sake, the streaming services, we're
putting out an extra dirty money uh documentary

844
01:05:39.119 --> 01:05:42.159
right just to focus on her,
and all of a sudden, poop,

845
01:05:42.239 --> 01:05:45.639
she's gone. Everybody was saying she's
going to crack. She's not gonna crack,

846
01:05:45.679 --> 01:05:48.239
She's going to wind up dead.
Everybody had their speculations, and now

847
01:05:48.519 --> 01:05:54.079
nobody's talking about it. Are you
going to get into the why and the

848
01:05:54.079 --> 01:06:01.599
what and where that's going in this
series? I want to tell I mean,

849
01:06:01.639 --> 01:06:04.400
there's there's going to be a point
when you enter into the fourth and

850
01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:08.079
fifth, you're deep dark in the
den. You can't get out of the

851
01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:12.440
den. And the den is that
there's two. There's two, there's two

852
01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:16.320
heads of the main side. You
know, Maxwell and Epstein were just they

853
01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:21.800
were just, I mean the fusion
of genius criminal genius, yes, but

854
01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:29.079
genius nonetheless. And Maxwell. I
have to say, Maxwell is extremely protected

855
01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:38.320
because her other siblings have such high
roles in multi international espionage and intelligence.

856
01:06:38.639 --> 01:06:44.440
They're so in fingers in every single
pie. No one dares cross the bulk

857
01:06:44.519 --> 01:06:47.360
of them. You know, the
Maxwell's dynasty. They're going to keep being

858
01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:49.880
a dynasty. There's that, and
then I have the Then I have the

859
01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:53.559
other impression in my mind, which
is, you know, the reason why

860
01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:57.519
nobody shot Nixon is because it was
too soon to put a bullet in another

861
01:06:57.559 --> 01:07:01.239
president's head. You know, you
gotta get time in between your assassinations.

862
01:07:01.320 --> 01:07:05.960
So therefore there's no way that Galaine
gets, you know, suicided. I

863
01:07:05.960 --> 01:07:09.480
don't know. That's just my opinion. All of it looks, all of

864
01:07:09.519 --> 01:07:12.679
it, all of it looks unlikely. All of it looks unlikely, just

865
01:07:12.719 --> 01:07:18.159
because I think I think there's this
case. The one of the whole points

866
01:07:18.159 --> 01:07:23.960
of this these like first three articles
I wrote, was to show this case

867
01:07:24.039 --> 01:07:28.960
is a house of cards that is
set up to fall apart. So eventually,

868
01:07:29.320 --> 01:07:30.840
all they have to do if they
want all of their guys to get

869
01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:35.880
off everything is have enough distance,
like you say about the assassinations, enough

870
01:07:35.920 --> 01:07:40.840
distance between the time, and then
let the house of cards fall. By

871
01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:49.519
releasing one bit of information undermines every
single of the major victims. Pandemonium ensues,

872
01:07:50.159 --> 01:07:55.559
and the truth comes out eventually,
and it gives the appearance of organic

873
01:07:55.639 --> 01:07:58.960
and maybe you can make another journalistic
hero and say this is the guy who

874
01:07:58.960 --> 01:08:01.760
actually broke the store, which it
isn't. He was handed it somehow,

875
01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:04.760
but you know, then pay no
attention to that. You can create another

876
01:08:04.800 --> 01:08:10.280
journalistic guy con you know, like
they did with Woodward and Bernstein. Right,

877
01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:15.680
and do that even though okay,
so we know very quickly. One

878
01:08:15.800 --> 01:08:24.880
last thing, sure in nineteen seventy
six, it was Stanley Pottinger who he's

879
01:08:25.039 --> 01:08:30.199
interviewing either Woodward of Bernstein. I
think it's Bernstein anyway, he's interviewing him.

880
01:08:30.479 --> 01:08:36.079
He's interviewing sorry, Mark Felt,
who was the assistant director of the

881
01:08:36.159 --> 01:08:45.960
FBI and was deep throat, and
he's interviewing him, and he rumbles that

882
01:08:45.039 --> 01:08:51.680
he's deep throat, and he realizes
he's he is, and he offers to

883
01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:57.840
withdraw the question from the record so
that no one will know that he's deep

884
01:08:57.880 --> 01:09:02.399
thro and he tells Woodward. He
tells Woodward he must be Woodward. He

885
01:09:02.479 --> 01:09:09.600
tells Woodward afterwards that the oh,
yes, I know it's him. I

886
01:09:09.640 --> 01:09:11.920
know it's him, but I won't
say anything. You know, there you

887
01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:15.840
go. So look, you you
guys can go to YouTube and see the

888
01:09:15.880 --> 01:09:18.439
series for sure, and I'll give
you the link there. But where can

889
01:09:18.479 --> 01:09:23.359
they actually what website should they go
to to get the articles directly, which

890
01:09:23.680 --> 01:09:28.960
obviously are a unwinking, a nod
at the Bourne identity, Borne ultimatum,

891
01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:32.439
et cetera. Yeah, you know, winking or nod not the same premise,

892
01:09:32.560 --> 01:09:39.319
but well something like it. Oh, anyway, the first article is

893
01:09:39.359 --> 01:09:44.159
about his brother. Part of it
is about his brother getting amnesia or pretending

894
01:09:44.199 --> 01:09:46.439
to get amnesia so he can traffic
this girl and get away with it afterwards

895
01:09:46.439 --> 01:09:49.600
when he gets cool. So that's
kind of like the Bourne identity and the

896
01:09:49.600 --> 01:09:54.239
Bournes, the Puttican supremisey, he's
got that as well, and etc.

897
01:09:54.760 --> 01:09:59.800
Anyway. Anyway, you could go
to newspaced dot com, which is my

898
01:10:00.199 --> 01:10:05.439
main platform, or Johnny Vedmore dot
com. But Newspaste has everything nicely arranged

899
01:10:05.479 --> 01:10:09.880
and there's a load of articles there. I've been working for quite a while

900
01:10:09.960 --> 01:10:12.920
now. I've uncovered a load of
different things, you know, people.

901
01:10:13.119 --> 01:10:18.319
I've also got masses of media video
up on both Johnny Vedo and news YouTube

902
01:10:18.319 --> 01:10:23.880
and everything, so this loads to
explore. I've been creating for ages and

903
01:10:24.439 --> 01:10:27.960
now like, come support my work. Support my work, and I will

904
01:10:27.960 --> 01:10:30.479
do more of it exactly, No, and go to newspaste dot com.

905
01:10:30.479 --> 01:10:34.960
That's both those words together. Any
W s P A s t E dot

906
01:10:35.000 --> 01:10:38.960
com, Johnny Venmore. Look,
if you don't know how to spell that,

907
01:10:39.079 --> 01:10:43.039
I'll spell it out for you.
Uh j O h N N y

908
01:10:43.319 --> 01:10:46.079
v e N D M O r
eh No, you got it wrong.

909
01:10:46.159 --> 01:10:50.680
I got it wrong. D e
d f O r E. I like,

910
01:10:50.840 --> 01:10:54.720
I'm sorry, all right, but
I don't mind me. You got

911
01:10:54.720 --> 01:10:58.439
it wrong. It's everybody gets it
wrong. I've had a lifetime of it.

912
01:10:58.640 --> 01:11:00.560
I'm sorry, man, Look at
you know. We'll screw up my

913
01:11:00.640 --> 01:11:02.760
name too, But don't worry.
The links I put in the show notes

914
01:11:02.800 --> 01:11:05.640
will be accurate. So you can
click on those guys, Okay, click

915
01:11:05.760 --> 01:11:10.279
on those directly and it'll be right
and if anything else, But you can

916
01:11:10.279 --> 01:11:15.319
also go to YouTube and you know, this is searching for Stanley. That

917
01:11:15.319 --> 01:11:17.119
that is, Uh, let's see, is that gonna be the name of

918
01:11:17.159 --> 01:11:19.960
the whole series or is that the
name of the video? I'm screwed up

919
01:11:20.039 --> 01:11:24.159
there? Yeah, the first yeah, searching for Stanley. Each one searching

920
01:11:24.159 --> 01:11:27.760
for Stanley, Martin Luther King searching
for Stanley Watergate search. So the first

921
01:11:28.319 --> 01:11:31.239
series is to searching for Stanley the
Potting identity. In the second to search

922
01:11:31.319 --> 01:11:34.680
for Stanley the Potting, the supremacy
and so on and so far. Gotcha?

923
01:11:34.760 --> 01:11:38.239
Okay, I was just trying to
figure out how to put that together.

924
01:11:38.279 --> 01:11:41.199
But searching for Stanley, if you
just put that in a search on

925
01:11:41.279 --> 01:11:44.359
YouTube, you'll probably find it.
But again, I'll put the link there,

926
01:11:44.600 --> 01:11:48.399
and I'll also give you the link
to Johnny's Twitter X whatever the hell

927
01:11:48.399 --> 01:11:51.439
would they want to call it?
You know, your handle over there.

928
01:11:51.439 --> 01:11:56.000
If people want to contact you,
I think people should want to seek to

929
01:11:56.079 --> 01:12:00.319
hire you, actually, because no, I'd like that because I'm scared.

930
01:12:00.840 --> 01:12:04.279
Well, you're just a damn good. You're just a damn good editor and

931
01:12:05.159 --> 01:12:10.800
you know, and director editor all
that stuff. This film is really well

932
01:12:10.840 --> 01:12:14.119
done. I mean, if somebody
wants to come across with a decent piece

933
01:12:14.119 --> 01:12:16.359
of work, I think maybe,
you know, if they name a decent

934
01:12:16.399 --> 01:12:18.800
price, you might be able to. Hell, I wish I could afford

935
01:12:18.840 --> 01:12:23.199
to hire you, because I would
definitely have you made. Videos are great

936
01:12:23.239 --> 01:12:26.960
things. So the video is really
great. Obviously, I'm telling you check

937
01:12:27.000 --> 01:12:30.720
out the rest of his work.
That's great as well. The journalistic integrity

938
01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:36.840
matches the multimedia presentation. They are
both smooth and great and wow, full

939
01:12:36.880 --> 01:12:43.399
of loads of context, interesting information
and stuff that quite frankly, you won't

940
01:12:43.399 --> 01:12:47.279
get anywhere else. So Johnny Benmore
dot com, NewSpace dot com, and

941
01:12:47.359 --> 01:12:50.199
yeah, I'll give you the links
to all this stuff in the show notes.

942
01:12:50.640 --> 01:12:56.760
So with that all being set,
the Ocelly effect, let me turned

943
01:12:56.800 --> 01:12:59.680
down my music for a second.
The Ocelli effect is done here for a

944
01:12:59.680 --> 01:13:03.560
two day. I'm producing myself here
and the video will end too here anyway,

945
01:13:03.600 --> 01:13:05.920
no matter who you are, where
you are, how you're watching this,

946
01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:09.479
how you're hearing it, I want
you to know that I am merely

947
01:13:09.479 --> 01:13:14.399
o'chellyan. All of you are indeed
the effect Johnny Venmore dot com, NewSpace

948
01:13:14.479 --> 01:13:18.359
dot com. Go searching for Stanley
on there or YouTube, and you might

949
01:13:18.439 --> 01:13:30.359
find some interesting stuff. Take care
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you're invested deeply, Perhaps you're not
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getting started. Wall Street, Windows
dot com, Doo dot com. Michael

953
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Swanson, the brilliant author of the
War State, understood these trends professionally for

954
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many years, and now he gives
you the benefit of his knowledge. Wallstreeto

955
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dot dot go there, now go
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dot com. The War State by
Michael Swanson explains the great national transformation that

957
01:14:11.560 --> 01:14:15.319
took place and put the Kennedy presidency
in the context of the times, and

958
01:14:15.479 --> 01:14:19.840
reveals never before published information about the
Cuban missile crisis. President Kennedy would not

959
01:14:19.920 --> 01:14:25.399
have been assassinated if he had been
president two hundred years ago. His assassination

960
01:14:25.560 --> 01:14:29.119
took place in the context of the
Cold War and the rise of the national

961
01:14:29.159 --> 01:14:32.600
security state. Before World War II, the United States was a continental republic.

962
01:14:32.920 --> 01:14:38.039
In the decade that followed it became
an imperial superpower. Generals such as

963
01:14:38.119 --> 01:14:42.159
Curtis LeMay not only wanted to invade
Cuba, but knew that there were short

964
01:14:42.239 --> 01:14:45.680
range missiles on the island arn't with
nuclear warheads that they could not destroy because

965
01:14:45.720 --> 01:14:49.520
they were on mobile launchers. Their
invasion could have led to a Third World

966
01:14:49.560 --> 01:14:54.800
War, and they wanted to go
to war anyway. The War State by

967
01:14:54.840 --> 01:14:59.560
Michael Swanson reveals why and will show
you what President Kennedy was up against for

968
01:14:59.640 --> 01:15:03.520
more nation. The Warstate dot Com. If you've expressed my caller schools,

969
01:15:03.560 --> 01:15:05.760
there anyone else who happens to get
on the air of Jelly dot com if

970
01:15:05.760 --> 01:15:10.359
you not necessarily reflect he views of
Jelly dot com or Jolly and we are

971
01:15:10.399 --> 01:15:14.159
not responsible. We're getting stupidity which
might ensue. Thank you. Nuclear holocaust.

972
01:15:14.439 --> 01:15:17.159
You know what uranium is right?
Think called nuclear weapons and other things

973
01:15:17.399 --> 01:15:21.800
like lots of you know what uranium
is right? Bad things things are done

974
01:15:23.079 --> 01:15:27.640
with uranium, including some bad things. Nuclear holocaust. You know what uranium

975
01:15:27.720 --> 01:15:31.239
is right. I've been brief Nuclear
holocaust, Nuclear holocaust. You know what

976
01:15:31.439 --> 01:15:35.600
uranium is right? Just think called
nuclear weapons and other things like lots of

977
01:15:36.119 --> 01:15:41.239
you know what uranium is right.
Bad things things are done with uranium,

978
01:15:41.239 --> 01:15:47.760
including some bad things nuclear holocaust,
nuclear holloclear holocaust, nuclear holocaust, nuclear

979
01:15:47.840 --> 01:15:54.920
holocaust, nuclear hollow go ahead calling
today as right. Well, what do

980
01:15:54.960 --> 01:15:59.760
you want to know Baker's wild claim
Oswell girlfriends he knew Ruby and Barry NTU.

981
01:16:00.439 --> 01:16:02.119
Really, I imagine I could claim
I have four wheels. It doesn't

982
01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:06.239
make me a wagon, but okay, I'm build and trying to prevent the

983
01:16:06.359 --> 01:16:10.560
murder of John Kennedy. Come on
now has a real effort on the DFPA

984
01:16:10.640 --> 01:16:16.199
assassination. Go to Amazon dot com
enter Judith Baker in her own words.

985
01:16:16.359 --> 01:16:20.840
You'll get the results for a digital
copy of a book where Walt Brown utilizes

986
01:16:20.960 --> 01:16:26.840
her own words and the known evidence
in the case to get at Well a

987
01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:30.760
different perspective. Let's say you can
get Judithbary Baker in her own words from

988
01:16:30.800 --> 01:16:35.079
the author himself, signed if you
request it by contacting doctor Brown at k

989
01:16:35.279 --> 01:16:40.760
I A s J F K at
aol dot com. It's a fun book

990
01:16:40.800 --> 01:16:45.600
and it actually dissects the many,
many fantastic claims Judith very Baker in her

991
01:16:45.680 --> 01:16:51.039
own words. Thank you for all
the great information. Dot Com Radio Network

992
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words revelation to conversation, get ready
to get ready for you're selling you that.

993
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No no no no no no