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Welcome to don't drop the tongs.
It is March twenty sixth, and we

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got some guests with us today.
Phil is not here yet, because last

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we heard, Phil went skiing.
Yes, Phil the Grill attempted to snow

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ski. You can leave your jokes
at the door with that. But we

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do know that Phil, Yeah,
exactly, And of course he picks the

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first time to go snow skiing to
go to winter Park Colorado, which is

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like world class skiing. I would
love to know how many times he fell

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on the damn hill. But nonetheless
he's not here, possibly suffering from altitude

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sickness or whatever. So Phil's not
here, But I got Kyle with me

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from your behind barbecue. You know, his wonderful new restaurant, Birds and

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Bones, is open for a month
now. Kyle looks like he's ten years

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And you heard some guests we got
in the background. Kyle, I will

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let you take over the introductions.
My brother, all right, well,

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not a stranger to don't drop the
tongues. We've got Craig Carter. Welcome

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Craig Carter. What's that, buddy? And he's wearing a robe and drinking

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wine, which okay, I'll uh
and then we got the world champion,

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newly crowned s c A steak champ. Chris, what is up? Chris?

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My man? What's up? Yes, sir, oh, Andy's got

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the ring on. Have you taken
it off yet? I have taken it

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off. You know, as you
know running a restaurant, you gotta take

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it off because it gets in the
way when you're cooking and you don't want

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to get it messed up in the
restaurant. Yeah, but I'd be holding

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it up like this, like,
oh, hold on, bro, I'll

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grab that pizza real quick, pull
that out. Hold on, you know

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what I'm saying. That's all slipping
out of my pocket, slipping on my

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hand when I take the pizzas out
to the rest Yeah, throw that sucker

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off. That's exactly so. Chris, you are the Sea World champion.

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Tell us about your background, how
you got started and all this what you

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like to cook on your right you
told Kyle and I off line before we

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got started. You got a restaurant
where you're from? Give us the four

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one one on you. My name's
Chris Loudel. I'm from Burning, Alabama.

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Hi a roll tide or a war
Eagle? Uh oh Yeah, let's

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just say I'm not a war eagle. I have been a roll tide for

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a long time. Nick Saban retiring
didn't bother me too much. But what

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Alabama did to Eli Gold, it
kind of it put a sour taste in

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my mouth, I would agree.
So do you hate me because I'm a

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University of Michigan fan and we stopped
your asses on the goal line to uh

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and send Nick Saban out with a
big ol' l oh. No, I

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don't hate you, but you can
squirrels got to find a nut every now

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and then. It's true, man, you guys dominated the landscape for twenty

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years. So we'll take our one
winn and we'll hold up. It's just

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like when Auburn beats Alabama once every
seven eight years. They talk about it

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forever. And you know you got
you when you beat Obama. Man,

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you got when you beat a dynasty
once in a while. You got to

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hold it up there, all right. So you're from Alabama, tell us

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more about it from Alabama. So
I've cooked competition barbecue for a long time.

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Ever since I was a kid.
My dad and his best friend was

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in it. I watched it when
I grew up. I started my own

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uh two thousand and seventeen, I
guess it was it's year Aircots and won

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his World championship. I was headed
to a barbecue contest with my wife in

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Tennessee and I met Mark Lambert and
Mart Lambert had been had gotten to be

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buddies, and I stopped by the
warehouse they were getting ready for the Toka

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NBN contest. I was going to
a CASEYBS comp. Lambert was there,

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Scott Guy was there, several more
was there. And at the Toka that's

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when SCA was really just kind of
kicking off. They've been around a few

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years, but it was getting bigger. They're practicing steak well. Lambert and

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Scott got my wife over there and
tried to and started teaching her how to

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do state contests. Because my wife
she yeah, she done my boxes and

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she was tired of not being able
to cooking nothing. So when they hooked

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her on steak, Mark Lambert cost
me a ton of money that day because

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we bought two. We bought her
a PK and I said I wasn't cooking

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one yet, but we bought her
PK and we started out the end of

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twenty seventeen. Cooking twenty eighteen,
I met Alan and Eric Allen Smith Erk

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Cosson with Boys Night Out and we
just kind of clicked and got to be

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best friends. And I've cooked with
them ever since. In barbecue steak.

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I'm gonna tell you a real interesting
story or real fun story about it.

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The World Championship last Sunday was my
very first win. I've been cooking steak.

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I've been cooking SCA since the end
of two twenty seventeen, regular since

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twenty eighteen, and I've had all
kinds of second place finishes. Me and

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my wife got married in twenty nineteen. For our honeymoon, we went to

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the Bahamas when Brad Barrett put on
the the state contest in the Bahamas.

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I finished second there. She finished
sixth, and she beats my ass pretty

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regular. But that's a cool rivalry
to have though. That's good it is.

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She's a badass. She's a badass. She finished second at the countdown

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classes. Wow yeah, so okay, so I know you got to finish

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this, but so you've never won
an SCA contest, never won an SCA

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contest, So how'd you get your
golden ticket? On? Weldon tickets.

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You can get passed downs. And
I've had second places, yep. And

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if the first place is one,
second place gets in her third place.

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Whoever in the top ten all the
way down gets it, bro, because

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I go ahead. Sorry, Tim
Brown passed passed me mine down in the

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Eldorado, Arkansas the second week in
December. Wow, as you'll learn you

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as you as you'll learn Cow you
probably already learned. You don't get to

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go out and compete as much as
what you won't want you open the restaurant.

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No, I don't see it ever
happening right now as I look at

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it, effort see it happen.
You don't never see another cop in your

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life. You'll get absolutely done.
But I'm sure I'll be able to sneak

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out because you know what last year, I think it was last year,

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I was chasing, you know,
trying to get a first place ticket,

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and I must I had eleven second
places, eleven and then towards the end

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of the year, I think it
was November, I finally hit one boom

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and I got my first place.
But I was eleven second place, eleven

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times second place, which was crazy, Bro, it was crazy. It

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was kind of pissing me off too, exactly. I hear you, bro,

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if it was, I'm gonna tell
you Craig, Carter Mattos and Tim

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Brown, Sandy Brown, Alan,
I mean they the mentorship and the friendship

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they given, they gave us throughout
the year, and just little things to

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tweak, you know, because they
cook a lot. They cook. They

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cook. Craig, Craig's a warrior
at it. He cooks every weekend almost,

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you know. So when we get
to cook side by side and they

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get and you watch them and you
watch their process compared to somebody that only

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gets to cook ten or twelve contest
a year. You know. Yeah,

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that's that's what got me where I
was Son, And you know, I

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kind of look at it too.
It's like where you guys compete. You

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guys literally can drive in a four
hour radius any which way and you can

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hit a contest. You could hit
two contests, you could hit three.

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Out here we out on the West
Coast, we're limited, like we are

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on contest. Well, lu's look
at all the people you're competing against.

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I mean, you guys NonStop a
competing against champions, world champions, I

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mean NonStop compared to every weekend and
you try to slip into one of those

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contests when you're chasing your golden ticket, you try to slipping in one of

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them contest where there's only twenty twenty
five thirty folks, and by Friday when

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everybody sund up, you've got fifty
or sixty exactly exactly. Yeah, See,

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we don't have that pretty much.
I think the biggest one out here

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is probably about fifty teams, I
would say, but yeah, but I

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mean way Bullhead gets pretty big.
I think that was like forty eight last

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year. But yeah, but like
I said, I mean, you guys

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are non stop competing against you know, competing against the best. And we're

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pretty good out here too, but
yeah, like not on the caliber of

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like some of you guys that are
literally every weekend. Yeah. When twenty

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and twenty two when I ran points, I mean, Vitel was Litel was

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one of those dudes that that he
was. He called me up, He's

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like, dude, you're going on
going and I'd meet him there and he

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was, I mean, he was
a critical part in me doing what I

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did in twenty one and twenty two, and and I felt like, I

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mean I always wanted, and I
was always just like diving into ancillary yeah,

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And I was like, all right, let's let's work on steak.

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Yeah. Well see, because when
you're chasing ancillary points like back when,

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back when I was chasing too,
I mean you could turn in multiple times.

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I did not give a damn about
my steak, being honest, I

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don't give it damn. I turned
in four or five ancillary per you know,

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per ancillary that they had just to
get the points. So, yep,

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all right, now, Chris,
you said you own a restaurant.

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Correct, it's a barbecue pizza restaurant. Barbecue, all right. So you

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were telling us about some of your
pizzas you got going, I gotta explain

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the some of those. It's home
pretty damn good. So when I worked

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construction for twenty one years as a
crane operator, and I stayed there for

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twenty one years, that company I
worked for went out of business and kind

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of a restaurant fell in my lap
from competition. Folks want me to cater

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and do things like that. Did
Joey train Joey? Yeah? Yeah.

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Joey's one of the guys on Boards
Night Out. He's a great dude.

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He trains us all to do it
all. But so the restaurant kind of

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fell in my lap. And I've
always said, if I opened a barbecue

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restaurant, there's no way you know
how much barbecue to cook every day.

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So what do these guys do to
so they don't have so much waste?

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How are they making money? And
as I got in the restaurant world,

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I learned and realized that a lot
of people don't cook fresh barbecue every day.

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They cook it once a week,
and that's why you got commercial barbecue.

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But I like to have mine as
fresh as I can. So what

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I do is what I have left
over each day for my half chickens,

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my pull pork, and my brisket. I shred it and I put it

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on the pizzas the next day.
So I've got a pull pork pizza,

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smoke brisket pizza, and smoked chicken
pizza. My pull pork and my brisket

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both have barbecue sauce on it,
cheese, red onions. The poor porks

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topped with pickles, and the briskets
topped with jalapenos. And then when it

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comes out of the oven, we
top it again with barbecue sauce. The

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smoked chickens got red onions and bacon
on it, and being we're in Alabama

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and you gotta have white barbecue sauce, so you top it with a white

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barbecue sauce. Wow, that does
sound I was gonna start cooking pizza.

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No. I could barely handle what
I got. Now. They say it's

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the most profitable thing in a restaurant, but I'll call bullshit. I've heard.

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I heard breakfast was the most profitable
thing. Is that true? Probably?

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I don't know. Bacon. Bacon
costs money. If you're in a

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small town or a small restaurant,
you got all the the older guys.

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I'm uh, that was gonna come
in and sit there and drink coffee for

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three hours and take up table space
and never order nothing to eat. True,

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So that's gonna cost you money.
True? True. I see your

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first win sc a world title.
Did you did you when you turned in

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the steak? Did you think,
man, I may have a chance,

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or did you think, well,
we'll see how what you think. I

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knew I had a chance. I
knew it was a pretty steak. Uh.

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Depending on who you talked to,
they say I had a little Aggett

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walk about me all day that day. Oh he did. He did too.

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He showed everybody in the compound that
steak I did. But it was

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a it was a it was I
mean, it was a gorgeous It was

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a world championship stake. And he
made it even prettier when he cooked the

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seven bitch I did. Yeah,
I got. I mean, it was

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just it was meant to be that
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good Lord had it in his will
for me to win that day because I

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mean, you know, I hit
the right table. Yeah, you know,

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it could have hit a different table
when it could have went a different

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way. But it was a pretty
steak. Uh. Yeah. There's several

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people out there that said I had
a little Eggets in my walton that I

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kind of I didn't know, but
I knew it was a good state.

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Yeah, me, Alan and Egg
could Me and Alan Egg had left out

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Tuesday of that week to go to
the Ace Hardware Show because we just released

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Southern Thunder. Yeah, and I
have been We've been me Craig, several

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of us. We've been working with
it for almost a year and we've been

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trying to get it out probably a
little bit over a year, and I

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knew the color that it puts on
a steak. It's it's unreal. So

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I haven't had the Southern Thunder yet. What is the difference between that and

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the latest one? You guys just
are you know? Yes? What is

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the difference between those two color and
flavor? I mean totally different, two

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totally different flavors. Yes, And
I use both of them, nice,

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both of them. One, I
use one. I use a Southern thunder

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from on my steak, and then
I finished with Midwest dust and it's it's

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yeah, makes a pretty good steak, all right? So are you it

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makes the world champion steak? Yeah? No ship? Are you a Are

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you a try hard guy or a
spineles guy? I'm gonna try, Okay,

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I'm gonna try. I like I
like a bigger try. It was

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a big summer, bitch, don't
lie it was. It was all right?

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All right? Well, we got
a special guest to just joined us.

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He decided to show up today to
work your ship. Look, it's

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filled grill. Are you are you
on crutches? Nah, Bruddie, I

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need, I need, I need
a new head though, bro, because

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I had altitude sickness. Out and
UH went the park. Bro. He

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told it. He told, boy, yeah, I knew you had that.

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Ain't no joke. If you actually
did have it, I give you

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no, I didn't know. And
you know what I did that I didn't

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know. You wasn't supposed to.
First off, whoever heard of altitude sickness?

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And then anybody who goes to the
mountains. So I landed. I

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landed for Phoenix to Devi and then
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was this windy road all the way
up ten thousand elevation and then I tried

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to wash down my altitude sickness with
some tequila, and oh my god,

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I almost died. Like I heard
my art racing in my ears, like

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I thought I was. I was
never going to make it back home.

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I wanted to end the trip right
then and there. All right, we'll

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get back to you. We'll hear
more about your your death defying you know,

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there was a reason why they invented
fuel injection engines. Fuel injection,

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what's that? You obviously never dealt
with? Vapor lock? Now. I

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flew there and then I drove from
Denver up to UH Winter Park. But

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it was like an hour and a
half. Oh my god, it was

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hard. You went across the divide. All right, So back to Chris.

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Sorry, so you turning this beast? You know it's a monster.

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When like, what was the feeling
is they start calming them down? Are

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you starting to go like, Okay, this is either going to go really

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good for me or damn. I
didn't even get a call like there had

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to be in that feeling because they
start being like calling them out. I

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mean that had to be anxious about
number fourteen. I turned and looked at

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my wife and I said, I'm
not feeling this. I need another beer.

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Hold on, did you leave to
go get another beer? Because I

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know how it works. No,
we take we take the cooler to okay,

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all right, good? Yeah,
we we usually take three coolers.

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There's one. That's what I'm going
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week. Then our cooler is usually
empty like midway during the ceremony. Because

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you're an alcoholic, that's why we
take That's why we take three coolers.

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I'm gonna say. That's one thing
about the White Lightning play. I promise

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you we're not gonna run out of
bed. Yeah, I need, I

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need a new plan, Craig,
come on, adopt me, Brodie.

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I need to be with the white
lightning crayer. Dude, you can't even

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hang out. You can't even hang
in the mountains. What makes you think,

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Oh no, I'm not fucking with
the mountains anymore. That's it,

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Yo. About three thousand feet of
elevation is my limit. That's it,

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all right. So you're sitting there, they're counting down the numbers, like

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I know because I've done it,
you know, And I always have a

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feeling like maybe, like maybe,
and then I always second play myself like

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nah, no way, no way, that's it. That's how you were

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doing it. Huh. That's that's
I think we all do the same way.

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Okay, I got a chance.
Nah, I ain't got a chance.

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Okay, I might have a chance. Just back and forth, yep,

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okay, every dream that I get
the first place call. Yeah,

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so they call your number, and
like, so walk me through that.

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They call your number, and you'd
like double taking it? Is it?

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You have a picture of it on
your phone or you got the you got

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the got mine in my hat.
My wife's got the picture on the phone.

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So they come out and I can't
remember who was hosting it. The

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two people that was calling the numbers
out, they go to talking, they

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call Bred and Ken out. It's
a dead tie for first place. Me

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and Stacy Craft both scored a two
fifty three point nine. We had fifties

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across the board with a fifty three
point nine and taste, so there was

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no break in the tie. And
they all come out and they go to

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talking. So we all know it's
a tie. They we didn't. They

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didn't tell the score, but we
all know it's a tie. And it's

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kind of funny because I talked to
Ed cottson well, which we talked pretty

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regular, and I told him about
two or three weeks before, I said,

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you know, this World Championship is
gonna be a dead tie for the

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first place. I said, and
if they if I'm one of the ones

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that win it, and they flip
a coin to see who wins this damn

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World Championship, I'm flipping tables,
Ed Cottson, if you get second with

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your with your yeah, with your
record, you thick second, I'll be,

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I'll be, I'll burn. I
hope you burn the place down.

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I hope you so. So they
we know it's a dead tie and Ken

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calls my number first. Well,
there's four people in that building that know

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my number, and it was me, Trish, Tim Brown, and Sandy

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Brown. And when they call my
number, they said, I look down

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for just a second, and before
I could get up, Tim Brown was

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hugging me, and they called the
other number and Stacey got her call and

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they she made it to the stage, and I think it probably took me

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an extra ten minutes to make it
to the stage between it just, I

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mean, it was unreal. The
people, yeah, it was. It

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was a blad. So when they
called my number, I look down and

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I jump up. Tim Brown grabbs
me, Eric Hotson, Grass me,

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Craig they all, I mean,
they're all just on top of me and

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we're hugging and celebrating. Then I
find Alan Bill mand right there. Matt

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overson the all how big, how
big is your booty hole? With all

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those guys grabbing on you, I'm
still sore, yo yo. I don't

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know if they asked you what was
you cooking on? I was cooking on

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an M eight okay, okay,
M eighty. The I started out on

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a back. When I first started, I started on Weber and then I

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went to a PK, then I
went to the M sixteen. But last

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year I bought a M a D
at the Worlds and I started cooking on

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it last year. And it's with
that eighty. What's the difference because it's

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a smaller one, right, it's
the smaller than sixteen. And then so

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let's tell tell me the process as
far as like resting from the sixteen to

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that, not even resting. But
wait, you're now you're gonna go all

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the way. Now you're gonna just
jump right into his secrets. Real well,

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I just don't I want to know. I want to know what the

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process is from We've seen I cook
on the I cook on the p K.

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So shut your ship barrel. Hey
but hey, hey, hey hey

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Phil, Hey Phil? You want
you want to you want to know what

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he did ask and what he did
asking? What he did on Thursday of

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the World Championship. Was it Thursday
or Wednesday? Or Thursday? Chris,

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Tim and Sandy, Tim and Sandy
uh one day was ancillary Thursday. That

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was problem Friday, Friday morning.
Friday morning he took Tim and Sandy's class.

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Oh wow wow. So they had
a class in the parking lot or

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something aheaded after Airbnb, whoa Okay, okay, that's dope. That's dope,

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and his life, him and his
wife when took Tim and Sandy's class,

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and and and was it cooking on
the M eighty. That's my question

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was did they teach you on the
M eighty? Okay? Yes? And

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that's why, that's that's why you
don't want to give out that little that

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little process secret. Now I get
it. Now I get it because because

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because because here here's my deal.
Right, So when I first started cooking,

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I was cooking on the C four, right. The problem I was

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having is after I got my marks
right then, you know, putting it

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together, carrying it to temp,
I had to like cover it. I

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feel like the lid. Closing the
lid really helps the consistency of your cook

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right, not just that upper rack
that they have and you kind of put

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your steak in there on the C
four. So that's why I was curious

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from the sixteen to the M eighty, like where that spot is on your

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on your cook the sixteen to me
the sixteen and the PK because my watch

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still cooks on the PK. And
you can you can ask Carter We've all

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tried to talk her into going away
from it, and she she ain't leaving

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that PK sixteen. In the PK
you can set up kind of a two

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stage fire and you can put your
you can put your marks, you know

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the fires undeasy grakes, put your
marks on it. Then when you go

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to your riser, you know you're
away from your fire. Yeah, same

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way with the sixteen. But the
M eighty everything's like that little and straight

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on top and that and that's part
of that was part of my question because

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you know, cooking on the sea
force the same deal, right, so

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your you know, your your rack
is right up top, you know,

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right above that direct heat. So
I'm just pro I was curious on how

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that kind of transpired from the sixteen
to the M eighty. You know,

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it really doesn't change it a lot. I thought it would, but it

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really it doesn't change it a lot. Uh, it's just getting used to

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being in a smaller area because your
heats, your heats still coming straight up

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some, but it's going around your
greats, you know, because the heat's

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gonna kind of it's almost like a
convection coming around the side of your greats.

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And then heating your stakes, so
it's not coming directly up, you

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know. Craig, Craig Carter.
Craig Carter's in here. And now I

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understand why Craig had to jump on
here because he wants to make sure you

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don't drop any times. And he's
not he's a justice. So I got

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another question. When you when you
flip right, so you put in your

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mark, you do one whole side
and then flip to the other side,

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because and now for some people they'll
they'll flip, they'll do one side and

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then flip and get a mark on
the other side, then flip back and

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get another side and then flip.
All right, So I'll get one side

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done and then I'll flip to the
other side, and then now I'm checking

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tempt to see if it needs to
go on the riser or not. Let

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me ask you this, when you
put your marks, do you now flip

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to the other side and put it
on the riser or do you just throw

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it on the riser? Look at
cop That's what I tell him. That's

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my responsible I was like to see
what that what that question was. But

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I mean, I pick a show
side from the beginning of what I call

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the show side. I picked a
show sid from the beginning. Yep,

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I'm never gonna let that show side
touch exactly. You're never gonna let that

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show side touch the foil touch never. Yeah, exactly got it. That

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that's my baby, I mean,
that's that's and that's the reason why that

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because when I kind of thought that
people would flip it only because of the

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direct heat being right underneath it,
because you already finished that that other side,

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right, unless you're starting with your
show side last on your flips.

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I'm never letting the show speaking.
This is what we gonna say. I'm

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like, how many times we're gonna
say this? You you my way in

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I'll ask back. There's there's souch
of the like these questions that you were

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just asking, Chris kind of tie
you into how you probably got altitude sickness

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because everything in your life you half
asked in as soon and take the easy

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route, and then it gets you
altitude sickness. I guarantee you got altitude

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sickness because the guests, Yep,
I didn't drink water. No no,

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no, he's not saying he drank
tequila and then he's drinking on No,

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I drank beers. Beer beer has
got water in it, you know what

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I mean? And especially if you're
drinking like beers, you're drinking like beers,

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you know. But Yo, that
mountain was crazy that I'm never never

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going out, all right, Chris, that's part is you should be as

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crazy as that one is. You
should keep on going. So, Chris,

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how many I could ask? How
many classes have you taken on either

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the online or in person? For
say, steak for State. I've taken

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Tim and Sandy's class. You haven't
done any of the online? Uh?

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Barbecue champs, Barbecue champs? Now
when not? When he's got Matt Overson

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and Eric Hotson Brown, I mean, how many Craig Greg exactly side with

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Craig, Tim, Matt, Sandy, Eric Cotson. I was gonna give

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you. I was gonna give you
a hard time. I was gonna say,

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if you're taking class Jeff Jacobson,
oh yeah, he's a killer.

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Can't yeah, you can't forget Jeff. I mean when you're cooking around all

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the White Lightning crew, somebody,
we're all cooking together. It's just about

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every weekend. So I mean every
week you guys travel. We don't cook

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every weekend but every time we cook, I mean it's usually it's not just

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one or two, you know.
Usually we're all talking and two or three

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or four of us show up in
a contest together. You know. Now,

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do you guys ever get any hate
or any any eyeballs from people when

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you guys roll up and you guys
are all cooking together, the whole White

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Lightning Crew and stuff like that reason
why anybody in the world loves us.

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I'm hating. I walk through and
I start kicking ship and no, just

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nobody would hate on White Lightning never. Ye, Yeah, I hate.

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I hate. I hate when I
look at these guys try I try to

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get them drunk. I try to
get them drunk is out. But I

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think they cook better when they're drunk, because you know what Phil knows.

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Phil travels with me a lot.
We get. We get the eyeballs,

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we get the we get a lot
of stuff. When it's just Phil and

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I or I, Smitty's rolling or
whoever's with us in our camp. We

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all cook together, and we always
get the oh, man, what's going

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on? Or the guys that walk
in your trailer and just what's up?

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Man, and just eyeball your whole
trailer, just see what's going on,

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just to see what you got.
Yo. That's that's that's when you start

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staging things in your trailer or in
your cook area. Put like sand song

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or some saracha beer. That's a
musk. That's a musk. All right,

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So let me ask. Okay,
so I'm gonna ask both of you,

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Chris and Craig. Did you guys
do ancillaris? Yes, you both

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did. Craig, yes, yeah, I hold on, Phil? What

408
00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:51.720
what first day was? It's appetizers? So can I ask you to what

409
00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:56.480
you guys did for your appetizer and
if you made it to the next round?

410
00:30:57.279 --> 00:31:00.960
Was it anything? Appetizer? Oh? That's right. They had to

411
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:03.960
cook with sauces, right, we
had We had to have a Croy Valley

412
00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:07.640
sauce. If you'd have showed up. Fail you to know. I didn't

413
00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:15.079
get the ticket, maya, I
suck? There's that? And they didn't

414
00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:18.480
call me. They didn't call me? What was that? What you?

415
00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:21.440
What did I find out last week? How you good to got to call?

416
00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:23.119
If if it went down the list, they would have called my name.

417
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:26.759
I think there's a couple of people
at large. Yeah, I'm at

418
00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:30.279
large. But they didn't call me. Yeah you didn't. You didn't cook

419
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:34.839
enough to earn an at large.
Bit. I don't care about that ship.

420
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:44.799
You're too busy getting your footwork.
Jiggy back to you guys. Did

421
00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:49.960
you guys advance to the next round
in appetizers? No? Wow, no

422
00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:55.599
crag you neither. Nope. That's
tough, man. It's every time I've

423
00:31:55.640 --> 00:32:00.359
done ancillary at the Championship, I've
never made it to the second rounde.

424
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:04.799
This was This was the first time, and that uh yeah it it.

425
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:08.359
I mean, they killed me on
my flavor and I I did the same

426
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:13.759
thing that I did the two weeks
before and had almost the perfect core.

427
00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:19.400
But but you had to use this
sauce. I did. How they gonna

428
00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:22.319
how they're gonna knock you on the
flavor if they gave you the taste flavor

429
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:27.640
that you're bost to us, right, lord? I did smoke another.

430
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:34.519
I did the same thing the week
before in Tunica to the exact the exact

431
00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:38.400
recipe. I love you, Phil, and I finished second. It's great,

432
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:45.240
cheered you got second last week.
I finished second in Tunica the week

433
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:49.680
before Worlds with the same exact deal. And I finished thirteenth in my group.

434
00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:54.720
Oh that's worlds because they only take
the top ten. So finishing thirteen,

435
00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:59.680
that's gotta sting. Well, I
got fifties across the board of fifty

436
00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:02.440
one taste and then I got a
forty eight and overall impression or execution,

437
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:07.200
whatever you want to call it.
So you know, yeah, same thing.

438
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:09.559
You got fifties across the board with
a fifty one taste. Fifty one

439
00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:14.039
taste ain't great, but I mean, you know, it's higher than a

440
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:16.759
fifty, and it's higher than a
fifty, and then you get a forty

441
00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:20.599
eight and overall and I'm like,
where the hell that even come from?

442
00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:27.480
You know? Okay, to focus
on my semi final stake, so the

443
00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:30.519
finals exactly. I may not have
never made finals in stakes. All right,

444
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:34.240
then let me ask you this.
All right, So you you placed

445
00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:37.720
thirteenth in your in your group,
Craig, where did you place in your

446
00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:44.039
group? I was like, I
was like twenty third, twenty third?

447
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:50.799
Yeah, what Chris? What sauce
did you use? I used the Apricot

448
00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:55.119
chapolte, Craig, what sauce did
you use? Same thing? I mixed

449
00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:59.640
it. I mixed it, but
I mixed it with another I did a

450
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:02.440
caution with another sauce because I did
a pork Billy. I did a pork

451
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:08.199
belly Christini, so I needed that
red color and a little bit of barbecue

452
00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:13.840
flavor to it. So that's that
sounds fire too. Let me ask you

453
00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:16.679
this, Craig, just because you
you're playing with pork belly and and I'm

454
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:22.159
coming to Memphis? Are you doing
Memphis and may or Smoke Slam Memphis and

455
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:25.679
May Good? Can you keep your
little pork belly ass over there. I'll

456
00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:30.079
be a smokes I'm doing Memphis and
May with that world champion right there.

457
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:37.039
Oh you got the ring on yo? You over here, stunning Chris Ship.

458
00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:42.920
Okay, okay, if you only
started you would have heard all about

459
00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:49.000
the ring. Thanks for How can
we not doing Memphis in May Phil?

460
00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:54.519
Because you've walked the stage at Memphis
and may I know, but you come

461
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:58.679
close to winning Memphis and may Hew
in the hell? Are you not doing

462
00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:02.039
Memphis and may Smoke Slam with more
more? Smoke Slam is not a world

463
00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:08.760
championship. Yeah it is. It's
more money in it next the World Championship.

464
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:15.239
Y'all keep your answers over there and
I'll go to smoke slam and you

465
00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:17.880
come over. Hey, I'll come
over and have a bardy. Thank you.

466
00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:21.960
Same here, baby, same here, and we're gonna go out for

467
00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:25.920
dinner. Yes, we may come
over there too. We may do both.

468
00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:30.880
I've heard that. What I've been
telling people, hold on what I've

469
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:35.400
been and what I've been telling and
what I've been telling people is if you

470
00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:40.920
got a team of say, thirty
people, why the hell wouldn't you separate

471
00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:45.320
and say half goes here and half
goes here. I've heard the rumor boards

472
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:50.719
not doing both. I'm not here
to deny nor conflain, but I've heard

473
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:54.199
that rumor. That's what I would
do if I live That's when I would

474
00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:58.519
do it. I'm snitching. I'm
like, Yo, you can't. You

475
00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:01.920
can't do two crowns. Why can't
you? Yeah? Why not? I

476
00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:07.400
don't know. I'm gonna put it
in the fine print that you don't.

477
00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:13.000
Hey, I mean we're made.
I mean rules are usually made because of

478
00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:17.639
us. That's exactly right. You
You ain't live there, Greg, you

479
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:22.400
ain't all right? So here,
here's here's something else. Right. I

480
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:27.000
got. I got a couple of
questions because I'm coming, I'm coming east

481
00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:30.360
and I'm gonna do some s e
as on the East coast, right.

482
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:37.760
I want to know how many uh
rib contests you did for s AS,

483
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:44.559
Craig. Have you done any ribs
other than just the World Championship? Yeah,

484
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:47.079
I've done. I mean I do
three or four year contest. No,

485
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:52.199
I mean for for s c A
on the guidelines. Okay, what

486
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:58.679
what do you feel is the better
turning? Is it something outside the box

487
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:09.639
or just direct regular competition ribs?
If you know, if you don't,

488
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:14.159
you already know this is, don't
drop the dog. You gotta drop some

489
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:24.039
kind of drops on your top,
Craig. It wasn't no standard casey where

490
00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:28.440
Craig and I have the same boat
a round the same damn thing. So,

491
00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:34.039
I mean it depends on Okay,
it depends. It depends on is

492
00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:37.480
it meat? Is it meat only
or is it creative? So if it's

493
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:40.280
creaty, I would jazz it up
a little bit. But meat only,

494
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:45.880
I mean you might as well just
do a straight up K C B S

495
00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:49.519
s c A rib so so,
so explain that a little bit, then,

496
00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:54.199
Craig. Because s c A has
now added ribs as one of their

497
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:59.920
categories, just like steak, so
it's it's always been a category. Okay,

498
00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:02.400
but yes, it's always been a
category, but it's not really considered

499
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:07.159
an ancillary, right Is that more
so like a mean turn in? Now,

500
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:13.320
No, it's just an ancillary.
Okay. So so it's in the

501
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:20.079
it's a open Do you feel like
the judges give you more love for creativity

502
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:24.840
or do you feel like judges is
kind of looking for that traditional knock you

503
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:30.119
out the socks, knocking me out
the socks type rib in a box.

504
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:35.800
Like I said, it depends on
there's two different style categories. Okay,

505
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:42.199
you can have a creative which you
can wrap in bacon, you can put

506
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:49.559
stuff on top of it and turnip
soup shit, that's right, Or if

507
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:55.079
it's meat only, you can't wrap
it in bacon. You can put you

508
00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:59.320
can put a little bit of chives, a little bit sessamecs on stop on

509
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:02.519
top, but you can't you can't
do all the fancy stuff with it on

510
00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:08.679
the meat only so so so,
so how how do you determine it too?

511
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:13.400
Because I haven't seen that really spelled
out as far as it being meat

512
00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:21.639
only or just uh, it being
it's it's it does read it read it?

513
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:23.039
I got to read it. Yeah, because you can't. You can't

514
00:39:23.079 --> 00:39:29.519
take you can't take you can't take
the meat off the bones either. You

515
00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:31.760
know. My brother just showed up, my brother. My brother, they

516
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:36.639
told me to read the rules exactly
what rules? My brother said, what

517
00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:42.119
rules? Okay, So so as
of as of this year. So when

518
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:49.559
it says last year, it said
meat on the bone in the rib in

519
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:55.320
the meat only category. Yeah,
so there was one contest. I turned

520
00:39:55.360 --> 00:40:06.880
in meat on the bone, like
literally meat no on the bottom. I

521
00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:09.239
had your h I had your I
won't drop the tongs on it too much,

522
00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:14.599
but I had your ancillary last year
when we were all huddled up in

523
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:19.159
my trailer because it was it was
raining and storming, you brought your ancillary

524
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:23.559
over and I'm like, ahh uh, Craig. But anyways, I'm gonna

525
00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:28.000
leave it at that. So did
YouTube Chris? Did you guys cook the

526
00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:34.960
ribs at the World Championship? Yes? You did? I did, Okay,

527
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:42.840
Craig, I was so he Chris, I finished twenty sixth I think

528
00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:51.280
wow, what was that? Was
that? Traditional or untraditional tradition? Where

529
00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:55.440
did you what did you place,
Craig? I think it was twenty eight

530
00:40:55.719 --> 00:41:02.639
what was that traditional on traditional traditional? Because it was me they specified it.

531
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:10.079
I mean it had to be fair
ribs. And I guess what I'm

532
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:15.039
saying is is like, so I
did see some people like they posted like

533
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:19.599
they kind of breaded and deep fried
their ribs as well, and they didn't

534
00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:22.480
do well. You know, So
I was just trying to see, like

535
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:27.599
as far as and maybe you guys
know because you were out there was most

536
00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:34.719
of the winners the traditional following like
k CBS rules or was it like off

537
00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:37.039
the cuff? You know what I
mean? Outside the box? Hey,

538
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:42.880
Chris, what what? What?
What Eric Conson get? Eric Conson got

539
00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:46.519
second and Marcio got first? So
that that that should tell you the one?

540
00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:50.800
Yeah what what? What? What? What? Type? What type?

541
00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:54.920
What did they put in the box? Phil Barbaricie tell you Phil barbecue,

542
00:41:54.920 --> 00:42:05.039
crab barbecue, reaching barbecue barbecue with
crab ring int country style ribs,

543
00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:07.880
oh country, Oh that Chinese ribs. At the end, they put a

544
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:13.360
little red food coloring, uh color. We took a skill saw, we

545
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:17.239
took a skill song and got them
exact size of the box. All right,

546
00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:21.119
let me ask you one more question, so see if I can get

547
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:23.199
an answer see I'm I'm digging.
I got a dig That's my job,

548
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:29.880
all right. So if you're not
gonna tell me traditional or snow skiing,

549
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:37.239
yo did did did? Did they
both do the same? Like, either

550
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:40.920
they both did traditional or they both
didn't do traditional? Well, one time

551
00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:45.880
the ribs they turned in the same
exact ribs. They cut them in half

552
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:49.840
and put them in war each bike. Yeah, there you go, perfect

553
00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:52.239
answer. Oh so rip tips,
somebody put in rip tips and then other

554
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:58.840
person put in the somebody put it
ripped tips, and somebody put it in

555
00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:04.679
the bowl. Chris, So you're
now an official worldion you win the state

556
00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:08.719
contest, are you? I mean, does that kind of like boom?

557
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:13.239
Like you're good, You're done,
not done, but you're like like I

558
00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:16.039
accomplished it, Like what what next
is there to accomplish? Of course you

559
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:20.800
probably want to go win the damn
thing again? But are you going to

560
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:22.840
cook his more? Well? Hold
on, hold on, hold on,

561
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:25.920
hold on, I gotta I gotta
say something here before Chris pipes up.

562
00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:30.719
A lot of people don't know this
about Chris. But Chris is on the

563
00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:35.480
Boar's Night Out team and the White
Lightning Team. But Chris is also one

564
00:43:35.480 --> 00:43:39.280
of the he he is the best
night man in barbecue when it comes to

565
00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:50.199
cooking the whole hog. And he's
worked his ass off to learn those pits

566
00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:55.679
and he knows them by the back
of his hand. And here's a no.

567
00:43:57.119 --> 00:44:01.840
I can't wait for Memphis and made
this year to see what and what

568
00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:07.320
he does with those hogs and the
way he turns them out is phenomenal.

569
00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:12.280
But that man is one hell of
a pitmaster and that's what he does.

570
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:19.039
That's awesome. Oh So basically,
basically you're saying your tips now, yeah,

571
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:22.599
because you know why? Because now
I see what's going on in Memphis

572
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:24.599
of May. You go in ahead
and bringing in a ringer. You know

573
00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:29.599
what I mean. He's been on
the team for years that they know bringing

574
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:37.400
it in. I've been there since
twenty eighteen. Yeah yah yah, oh

575
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:39.679
wait where would you cook? You
cooked Memphis of May before, Chris,

576
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:49.360
I've cooked Memphis in May since twenty
eighteen with with with uh wars. Thanks

577
00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:53.119
for showing up early and hearing you. Did you not just listen to what

578
00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:57.280
I said, Phil, I did, but you didn't say that it was

579
00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:00.480
the Memphis of May that he was
cooking with you guys with he's been cooking.

580
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:06.239
Yeah, everywhere, everywhere, everywhere, boards not out goes, I

581
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:09.000
go, yeah, all right,
oh okay, all right, all right,

582
00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:13.519
So what kind of hog do we
buying this ship? Where's your holl

583
00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:22.519
coming from? With the only hog
we ever buy, Jim, we're gonna

584
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:27.400
have a compart durrock hog on every
smoker we ever cooked? Okay, and

585
00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:32.760
what what we're cooking on? We
cook on backwoods. You fit that whole

586
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:37.760
hog on the backwood. Yeah,
they've got a competition hog smoker. And

587
00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:44.400
they got a little red box smoker
too. That fits one. I could

588
00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:47.480
barely get eight pieces of chicken thighs
on that, but you're getting a whole

589
00:45:47.519 --> 00:46:00.559
hog, right. That's because you're
not laying it out right, sis sticking

590
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:04.199
stand up, stand it straight up
and down. Try it that way.

591
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:09.000
That red box is badass. It's
funny. So Chris, what's your next

592
00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:14.800
what's your next goal? Man?
Oh? Nay h My next goal is

593
00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:19.760
Memphis in May? Uh, the
night after we won world championship. The

594
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:27.079
guys they they just we go every
time somebody wins small event, big event

595
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:30.199
to us and wins huge no matter
what. And we're gonna make sure,

596
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:36.119
the person that wins are the team
that wins is celebrated. So our celebration

597
00:46:36.199 --> 00:46:38.800
at the trailer that night, I'm
not gonna tell everything that happened, but

598
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:45.599
i will tell you we had a
conversation that my goal starting this year was

599
00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:47.840
not to win the World Championship.
Obviously, I mean, that's that's part

600
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:52.440
of it. I'd love to win
the World State Championship, but our goal

601
00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:57.599
this year would just win Meficine May
Uh Alan Eck has chased Memphis in May

602
00:46:57.679 --> 00:47:01.239
for years and years and years.
We finished second twice in the last six

603
00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:06.599
years. Two years ago we finished
second in Whole Hog and we were six

604
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:14.760
hundreds of a point behind Blues Hog
Uh to Grand. So our goal has

605
00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:19.559
been Medicine May. And I told
everybody that night, come to Memphics May

606
00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:24.039
prepared to walk that stage because that's
what that's that's that's our next goal.

607
00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:29.079
I'm not saying we're going to I'm
not calling the shot. I'm just saying

608
00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:34.360
that's our goal. That's where we
Okay, I'm not that I'm not that

609
00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:42.840
the getting to call the shot,
but it's not it's not confidence. And

610
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:45.559
we've got We've got a song that
we play that. I mean, the

611
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:51.119
our rings and our championships, we
kind of show that we can be confident.

612
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:55.800
Yeah, we back up what we
talk. You got heavy hitters on

613
00:47:55.880 --> 00:48:00.079
that team, bro, you got
we do yep. Right, So so

614
00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:05.519
this year, what's the lineup for
hule Hall? Have y'all seen yet?

615
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:09.480
Like? How many? Like about
twenty six of y'all? Right? That

616
00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:14.639
do all? What I hear?
Did I say? Did I hear somewhere

617
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:16.400
around thirty or thirty two? Craig? Is that what I heard? I'm

618
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:20.800
not for sure. I think I
saw I saw twenty six last week,

619
00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:25.840
so I think it's about the same. Yeah, yeah, who who Who's

620
00:48:25.960 --> 00:48:32.760
your biggest? Like I know,
and I know this is a public question

621
00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:37.199
right to everybody. I ain't going
to go there. I mean, it's

622
00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:45.960
exactly and not only and not only
that, it's like you're just trying,

623
00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:49.000
you know, for every competitor.
I know, for me, I'm just

624
00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:52.280
trying to get my best cook.
Like what do you do? You just

625
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:55.079
want to see that golf cart come
down the road. That's it, that's

626
00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:58.719
it. Or you want to see
that golf cart come down the road.

627
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:02.480
Yeah, and then and then and
then you got to reset and then you're

628
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:07.320
against three other teams or an older
man walking up to you. Well,

629
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:09.079
as you guys are all pissed off, throwing everything in the trailer, saying

630
00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:15.360
hey, congratulations you made the top
ten. Yo, pull out of it.

631
00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:19.039
I was like, yo, we
didn't get nothing. I was like,

632
00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:24.800
this is some bulls yo. Yo. He's like, hey, are

633
00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:29.320
you trap house? I was like
yeah, I was like what. I

634
00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:30.440
was like what? I was like? I thought he was going to tell

635
00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:35.079
us we was dq in a box
now or something else. And then he

636
00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:37.800
was like, well, you guys
made top ten. I was like what

637
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:42.360
I was sh in the back of
the truck. He was ready to pull

638
00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:45.800
out of it. You know,
Pops was trying to find a gun that

639
00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:52.519
got pulled out on him and yeah. So it was No, it's a

640
00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:55.960
great bringing Pops. Are you bringing
Pops with you the smoke smoke slamfill?

641
00:49:57.400 --> 00:50:02.480
No, I'm bringing Smitty and Moley. Oh I just dropped the toms.

642
00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:08.480
He dropped the dogs. Wow,
I brought the A team. Hey,

643
00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:13.039
look I learned I learned from the
best. Yeah. Look, it's all

644
00:50:13.079 --> 00:50:15.800
of you guys, right, And
then Kyle's look look where he's at right,

645
00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:20.599
now he's in a basement, you
know, living with a ghost.

646
00:50:20.840 --> 00:50:23.440
You know, he's getting molested by
a ghost each week in the basement,

647
00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:28.400
and and and he won't come out
and play anymore. So I gotta find

648
00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:30.239
a new team member. So I'm
getting the band back together. You know,

649
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:35.599
my man's Smith Dalk. So you
read the instructions and is what you

650
00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:38.760
were saying, Hey, hey,
speak speaking of getting the band back together?

651
00:50:40.920 --> 00:50:45.800
Here later on this year, we
might be uh traveling out to uh.

652
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:51.760
I did get a text message about
that, about going out to Arizona

653
00:50:51.800 --> 00:51:00.239
and cooking an SCA competition cooking with
some no no showo oh which one out

654
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:04.079
here in November? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, the trailer's yours. I

655
00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:08.000
already told you that we need to
get that on the busna be and there's

656
00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:12.039
gonna be a rib cook to Phil. Yeah, what should I do?

657
00:51:12.159 --> 00:51:15.639
Traditional? Untraditional? And I don't
want to hear no poppy seeds. I

658
00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:21.039
don't want to hear poppy seeds and
none of that bullshit. All right somewhere

659
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:27.000
from from the Chinese restaurant and turn
them That's what I'm thinking. Who has

660
00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:29.840
done that? See? That's what? Okay, this is the thing,

661
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:37.920
right, it's gonna be creating and
it's gonna be wrapping shitty bacon. Yo.

662
00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:43.360
When when has okay, like bear
attacks, right, when has a

663
00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:45.559
bear really got punched in the face? Right, Like if you punch a

664
00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:47.920
bear in the nose, you'd be
like, oh, ship, you know

665
00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:52.320
what, I'm gonna just go and
get this salmon in the lake. I'm

666
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:54.599
not gonna bother with this guy no
more. And so it's the same thing

667
00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:59.199
with cooking. Right if you put
in some Chinese ribs, when's the last

668
00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:01.519
time somebody might be tied to eat
ribs by the time they get to your

669
00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:05.360
box. He'd be like, oh, ship, he got fried rice and

670
00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:07.199
Chinese ribs, and this ship,
this ship as good as hell. I'm

671
00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:12.760
giving him all chance. I think
that's gonna work. Yes, try it,

672
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:16.960
Yes, it will be a perfect
score. Do it every time you

673
00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:24.880
go for it. Phil. The
first you mentioned earlier in the podcast before

674
00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:30.320
Phil got here, that you were
watching your dad and grandpa do the barbecue

675
00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:37.159
contests, right, so, and
then you jumped into it, right yes,

676
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:42.199
okay, So were you still running
Pops's recipes and then slowly tweaking and

677
00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:47.559
traveling and doing the whole thing in
case some somewhat. Yes, Uh,

678
00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:51.639
when I was a kid, I
started, you know, they were they

679
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:54.519
they went out for the party.
They really wasn't They were doing the backyard

680
00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:58.719
deal. There was a local contest
back then. It used to be called

681
00:52:58.719 --> 00:53:01.960
pig Fast where it was. It
was sanctioned by Memphis in May, and

682
00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:06.519
they were there more for the party. But I watched him and watched him

683
00:53:06.519 --> 00:53:08.559
and watched him. And then after
I graduated high school and I went on

684
00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:15.000
the road working construction, I come
back and by that time that contest had

685
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:21.159
swapped over to a KCBS comp and
I had done my studying and research,

686
00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:23.639
so I used some of his what
he taught me. But at the same

687
00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:28.559
time I knew that, you know, mom and pop recipes don't work,

688
00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:31.760
yeah, to an extent on the
circuit. So how much do you think,

689
00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:36.159
I mean, there's been a lot
of change that you've seen growing up

690
00:53:36.239 --> 00:53:42.159
and then into KCBS, And was
blues Hogs still pretty popular back then?

691
00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:45.480
I mean, I know he was
slowly getting going and stuff like that.

692
00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:50.280
Right, he wasn't as popular when
I first was around it. But when

693
00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:52.519
I started doing all the studying and
all that, Yes, I mean they

694
00:53:52.559 --> 00:54:00.559
were they were still pretty popular.
And what do you mean by mom and

695
00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:06.079
pop recipes homemade recipes. I mean, I'm not saying they're not good,

696
00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:12.960
but I mean the judges are looking
for a flavor in competition, yep,

697
00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:16.719
and you gotta go with that flavor. If not, if you're gonna get

698
00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:23.679
one of those core cards that say
unknown flavor. And okay, let's talk

699
00:54:23.679 --> 00:54:30.719
about that. Let's talk about that, all right. So unknown flavor is

700
00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:36.280
not a flavor that they're used to. I'm not saying like, use honey

701
00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:39.199
mustard or anything like that. But
if you have a killer barbecue sauce and

702
00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:46.760
it's got the regular ketchup molasses which
to shear and and apple cider vinegar,

703
00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:51.519
and you think it's bomb, right, Because I think I had the best

704
00:54:51.559 --> 00:54:55.719
barbecue sauce off the street in Atlanta
at this one little pit, and I

705
00:54:55.760 --> 00:55:00.719
was like, holy shit, this
is like the I wish. I've been

706
00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:05.239
trying ever since to try to recreate
it. But the flavor of profile is

707
00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:10.880
already gone. But are you saying
that you can't use you can't create your

708
00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:19.079
own sauce. It has to be
something that's already out there and winning for

709
00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:22.480
you to win, a barbecue cor
I'm not I'm not saying you can't.

710
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:30.480
You can, but I mean it's
few and far between. How many people

711
00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:37.000
do you know it's cooking cops that
don't mix blueshag True, that is true.

712
00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:43.840
Everything's got blues dog in it right
now. I'm not saying that you

713
00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:50.079
can't, because you can't, but
but your profit ubilities is a lot lower

714
00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:57.239
off. That's most people. Do
you know what that's that's that's that's something

715
00:55:57.760 --> 00:56:00.079
that's big right there. Like what
you're just saying right now, that's that's

716
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:05.559
huge for me because I don't really
feel that a lot of cooks, you

717
00:56:05.599 --> 00:56:07.559
know, they're just trying to go
out there, you know, especially like

718
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:10.280
new cooks. Right if you're trying
to get in the game. You're like,

719
00:56:10.360 --> 00:56:14.639
yo, I want to hit them
with something that they never had before,

720
00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:22.159
but that would not really place as
well as it may place. Just

721
00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:24.480
I mean, look at Southern Thunder. It's it's new. They've had it

722
00:56:24.519 --> 00:56:29.440
for a little while, but it's
new. Unfortunately, it's hit. I

723
00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:31.920
mean, it's been out on the
shelves two weeks and it won a world

724
00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:37.719
championship. At Stake, We've been
blessed with that you know, but I'm

725
00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:45.079
just saying, you know it will
hitt. But like that's right, Yeah,

726
00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:47.599
No, that's good to know.
I'm glad And this is part of

727
00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:52.199
this is part of the reason why
we kind of put this podcast together,

728
00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:55.320
right, to just kind of like
sit around that fire and kind of like

729
00:56:55.679 --> 00:57:00.800
converse about different things we do and
we don't do, because this is the

730
00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:06.679
behind the scene things that nobody sees, right or nobody hears, you know,

731
00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:10.320
of what it's like cooking three days
in the rain and getting a ring

732
00:57:12.039 --> 00:57:17.960
for the first time after taking a
class and from what you've already been cooking

733
00:57:19.039 --> 00:57:22.199
for years, and you feel that
you're a great cook at something, and

734
00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:28.360
then now you humbled yourself to take
a class and learn from somebody else that's

735
00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:34.039
killing the game to understand what that
one thing or that second thing that you

736
00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:37.639
might have missed that got you that
ring. Am I right or wrong on

737
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:42.760
that? Chris? You're right?
The small things and you can ask Craig.

738
00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:45.960
I give them all credit all the
time, Carter matt O, Eric

739
00:57:45.079 --> 00:57:49.400
Allen, TM, Sandy when we're
all together, I mean, we just

740
00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:52.960
you watch the process and the small
things is what gets you there, you

741
00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:58.599
know, you gotta be humble because
you don't know everything. Somebody's got to

742
00:57:58.639 --> 00:58:02.760
teach you something. Yeah, somebody's
good sometimes just sometimes you just got to

743
00:58:02.840 --> 00:58:08.039
reset. Yeah, yeah, you're
right, You're right. And Craig and

744
00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:12.320
and how how long you've been cooking? How long you've been cooking in the

745
00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:21.159
circuits U s c A since the
beginning ten years barbecue almost twenty so.

746
00:58:21.159 --> 00:58:24.760
So with that being said, right, and this is another great question that

747
00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:32.440
I want to share to my radio
land right, but his after cooking that

748
00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:37.480
long, do you ever get a
cold streak? Or like dang, because

749
00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:40.639
you start getting it, yeah,
right, you start hitting it hit.

750
00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:45.880
So when when you get that code
streak, do you do you sometimes like

751
00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:47.920
second guests? Or do you keep
going out there with the same thing,

752
00:58:49.039 --> 00:58:52.320
or maybe you go back and say, maybe I need to or what is

753
00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:57.519
everybody else doing now different to get
back into the game, or maybe I

754
00:58:57.599 --> 00:59:00.239
need to tweet this like talk a
little bit of out that. What you

755
00:59:00.280 --> 00:59:06.639
do when you kind of get that
little cold streak? I don't know how

756
00:59:06.679 --> 00:59:10.119
many times, especially in Sea,
I've went back to the basics. I

757
00:59:10.159 --> 00:59:15.280
mean and it's I mean, it's
trimming, it's marinade, I mean everybody

758
00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:22.599
asked about marinade. I mean I've
marinated the same for four or five years

759
00:59:22.639 --> 00:59:27.800
with the same I mean with wickipig. But it also changes with the steak.

760
00:59:28.760 --> 00:59:31.840
The meat changes everything else. But
you always got to go back to

761
00:59:31.880 --> 00:59:37.920
the basics. Start out simple,
don't over complicate it. Don't put twenty

762
00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:42.639
thousand rubs on it. All these
people are going they put out there like,

763
00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:47.400
oh I put twenty rubs on it. I mean they they name every

764
00:59:47.880 --> 00:59:52.239
spice they got in their damn trailer, and there ain't no way. Then

765
00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:55.239
people are putting every damn spice they
got on their trailer. Yeah, on

766
00:59:55.440 --> 00:59:58.800
the steak. The big thing out
here too, is a lot of people.

767
00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:00.960
I'm using six different rubs and I'm
using this, and then I got

768
01:00:01.039 --> 01:00:04.719
this marinade that I sprinkle a little
bit of this in there, and then

769
01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:07.679
I do that and this. I'm
like, bro, you got to just

770
01:00:07.719 --> 01:00:10.480
relax a little bit, like cut
some of that out. And exactly basically

771
01:00:10.559 --> 01:00:14.000
I agree with you. Start from
the you know, sometimes you got to

772
01:00:14.039 --> 01:00:17.239
go back and yeah, unfortunately,
and Phil and I have both been there.

773
01:00:17.320 --> 01:00:20.559
We were like, hey, let's
step back a little bit, because

774
01:00:21.320 --> 01:00:24.039
it's the same thing with barbecue.
I mean, yeah, definitely. I

775
01:00:24.039 --> 01:00:27.599
mean I got some of the best
I got some of the best tips from

776
01:00:28.320 --> 01:00:35.960
from uh from Kyle and and Caffeini
and and Sterling three years ago. I

777
01:00:35.960 --> 01:00:39.840
mean it was it was like reset, go simple, yeah, and nail

778
01:00:39.880 --> 01:00:44.280
the flavor. Yeah, no,
I get it. And one thing we

779
01:00:44.440 --> 01:00:46.719
try to do with barbecue. You
asked me about classes with steak. You

780
01:00:46.760 --> 01:00:52.639
know, I haven't took any,
uh I really there's a couple on there.

781
01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:57.519
I want to take Raymond Patterson one
of them. He's just got a

782
01:00:57.519 --> 01:01:00.920
new one now and I'd really love
to just watch his class and see.

783
01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:04.840
But we try to take barbecue classes
pretty regular. Somebody in the B and

784
01:01:04.840 --> 01:01:09.199
O camp try. We try to
get somebody at a barbecue class at least,

785
01:01:09.519 --> 01:01:13.280
maybe not once a year, but
you know, once every other year

786
01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:15.599
or something like that, just just
to keep the knock shark. Yeah.

787
01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:20.039
I mean, you know, no
matter how good you are, you can

788
01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:25.000
always learn something something, right,
Don't you feel that way? Because I

789
01:01:25.039 --> 01:01:31.800
mean I've been cooking probably since what
two thousand and fourteen, and I took

790
01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:37.320
a few classes, and no matter
what, like we all kind of run

791
01:01:37.400 --> 01:01:40.840
the same techniques, but you in
each class you could pick up one or

792
01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:45.639
two points. You're like, ah, I didn't think about that. Like

793
01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:49.599
man, little nuggets. That's always
just the people is when you take a

794
01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:53.920
class, take the notes, do
your thing, but concentrate on like the

795
01:01:53.960 --> 01:02:00.480
little things, the little nuggets it's
this much better, or oh, flip

796
01:02:00.519 --> 01:02:02.519
the chicken over season the bottom of
the chicken before it goes in the box,

797
01:02:02.679 --> 01:02:08.039
or just little nuggets and implement it
into your game on what you do.

798
01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:14.559
That's just kind of how you keep
asking about ribs feel. Uh.

799
01:02:15.400 --> 01:02:22.559
I took Travis Clark's class this this
past February. Uh And since we took

800
01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:25.960
since I took Travis Clark's class,
I come back and s c A had

801
01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:31.000
a rib a rib cook off in
Nesbit and I won the ribs in Nesbit

802
01:02:31.079 --> 01:02:37.159
and then Eric finished decond in ribs
and Alan finished seventh in ribs at the

803
01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:42.199
out there at the World Championship.
So just the little things we took from

804
01:02:42.199 --> 01:02:46.199
that class is you know, we
didn't we wasn't trying to change the whole

805
01:02:46.239 --> 01:02:51.480
game. We weren't trying to go
strictly with what Travis does. But like

806
01:02:51.719 --> 01:02:53.519
but like Ale said, the little
nuggets that you pick up that you could

807
01:02:53.599 --> 01:02:59.199
just the small things that change that
changed my rib game and changed the whole

808
01:02:59.199 --> 01:03:02.079
being o rib game for just you
know, and you know, honestly just

809
01:03:02.119 --> 01:03:06.159
a couple of things. Yeah,
and honestly for me, I think that

810
01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:08.119
was I took that class. I
mean, okay, So when I started

811
01:03:08.119 --> 01:03:15.320
barbecue twenty fourteen and doing my thing, and probably after three years in I

812
01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:19.000
saw Travis Clark was doing a class
and I took that class, Pops and

813
01:03:19.039 --> 01:03:22.639
I did, and that was by
far one of the best classes I think

814
01:03:22.719 --> 01:03:29.039
I've ever taken. I mean,
it totally opened my eyes to just different

815
01:03:29.079 --> 01:03:34.760
things and how big of a mad
scientist this Travis is on just the little

816
01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:37.840
things that he does, and it
really opened my eyes. And then it

817
01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:40.159
was like okay, and I had
to take a step back and be like,

818
01:03:40.199 --> 01:03:44.880
dude, I'm doing way too much
or I'm not doing enough in this

819
01:03:44.960 --> 01:03:47.599
category or this or that. But
that was That's honestly been one of my

820
01:03:47.679 --> 01:03:52.760
favorite classes I've ever taken. Yeah, it was a good class. I

821
01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:58.960
you know, I had telling people
I was taking it. They had I

822
01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:01.559
had different thoughts go into it,
because I think people have different thoughts about

823
01:04:01.559 --> 01:04:05.639
Travis Clark. But when I took
that class, he's a great day.

824
01:04:05.840 --> 01:04:12.280
Not his He's respectful, you know, and and that and that's the thing

825
01:04:12.440 --> 01:04:15.679
you know, when you when we've
been cooking together for a long time,

826
01:04:15.760 --> 01:04:21.039
you know, there's there's the ones
that we respect because they you know,

827
01:04:21.159 --> 01:04:27.760
we're passionate about what we do and
we want to you know, get better

828
01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:31.199
at just our craft. Right.
And you know, I've been to classes

829
01:04:31.239 --> 01:04:33.960
and I know Kyle was in the
same class I was in, and we

830
01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:39.199
took a class and this person didn't
give us anything, right, they went

831
01:04:39.239 --> 01:04:42.639
through their whole cook but didn't say
what they were using. I was like,

832
01:04:42.679 --> 01:04:46.000
well, what's the sense that the
stupid ass class? Right? Like

833
01:04:46.039 --> 01:04:49.840
I know how to cook the rip, like you know what what what tidbits

834
01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:55.159
are you know are you giving?
So that's the difference, you know,

835
01:04:55.280 --> 01:05:00.960
I really feel that, you know, from where we started in the beginning

836
01:05:01.239 --> 01:05:06.519
as just you know, the barbecue
community and how much it has grown and

837
01:05:08.280 --> 01:05:14.880
how much we see on TV now
to where you have conglomerates starting their own

838
01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:18.159
networks and just wanting to show different
cooks and different types of cooks all the

839
01:05:18.239 --> 01:05:26.199
time. You know, it's something
that I feel it's and I could honestly

840
01:05:26.280 --> 01:05:29.559
say with the group that we have
right here, it's not all about the

841
01:05:29.639 --> 01:05:33.079
money, you know what I mean? And you could tell the ones that

842
01:05:33.480 --> 01:05:36.599
it is all about the money,
right, I'm just trying to do this

843
01:05:36.679 --> 01:05:41.719
because I want to win and I
want to do this, and it doesn't

844
01:05:41.760 --> 01:05:45.199
fare well, right, and then
they lose their focus because it was all

845
01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:48.320
about the money and it wasn't about
the passion and and love and the fellowship.

846
01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:54.039
And you know, I really feel
that, you know your if your

847
01:05:54.079 --> 01:05:57.920
heart's in it, then your mind's
in it, and that's what makes the

848
01:05:57.960 --> 01:06:01.199
community a lot stronger and what roles. I love it, you know,

849
01:06:01.559 --> 01:06:06.119
I was. I was sad that
I didn't get to uh the world this

850
01:06:06.239 --> 01:06:13.000
year out in Dallas, But after
looking at your weather conditions, I wasn't

851
01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:17.920
that sad anymore. But hey,
hey, you got to tune up for

852
01:06:17.960 --> 01:06:26.840
skining. Hey, a couple of
questions that I asked Rob Dodge last week,

853
01:06:26.920 --> 01:06:30.480
Right, I'm gonna I'm gonna revert
back to you guys. A couple

854
01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:35.519
of things I did see at worlds
uh that he really didn't have too much

855
01:06:35.559 --> 01:06:42.239
answers for the one thing I saw
sitting on the sidelines was a couple of

856
01:06:42.280 --> 01:06:46.079
blank spots where people didn't go up
and claim their prize, Like what was

857
01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:54.360
that about, Like you were sitting
in the auditorium and they were calling numbers

858
01:06:54.360 --> 01:06:59.880
and nobody came and claim their prize. I think that was in the preliminary

859
01:07:00.360 --> 01:07:03.760
and early on when uh. I
think there was just a lot of people

860
01:07:04.079 --> 01:07:10.280
coming and going and the rain,
yeah, the rain, just everything.

861
01:07:10.719 --> 01:07:12.599
I mean because at the end of
the at the end of the day,

862
01:07:12.639 --> 01:07:16.800
I think only one didn't get claimed, and I'm not for sure why or

863
01:07:17.199 --> 01:07:21.440
how I mean, but there was
like three or four at the beginning,

864
01:07:21.880 --> 01:07:26.719
but I think it was all just
a miscommunication, people trying to pack stuff

865
01:07:26.800 --> 01:07:30.239
up. Miss miss miss just missed
it. I don't think it was anything

866
01:07:30.320 --> 01:07:33.880
significant that that that makes that makes
a total lot of sense and that and

867
01:07:34.159 --> 01:07:40.039
nothing bad Friday Thursday and Friday cruft. Yeah, and that's the thing.

868
01:07:40.039 --> 01:07:42.480
I would have probably got way and
I'll be like, you know what bumped

869
01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:46.239
this, I'll find out later if
I want it now. The other thing

870
01:07:46.360 --> 01:07:53.679
that I noticed was the scorings in
the different groups. Can y'all elaborate to

871
01:07:53.760 --> 01:07:58.960
that? Like I've seen some were
like fifty fifty fifties, fifty three point

872
01:07:59.000 --> 01:08:03.559
four and tay. And then I've
seen other groups they didn't get they didn't

873
01:08:03.559 --> 01:08:09.880
get that high. Like I was
in the group that didn't get that high

874
01:08:10.880 --> 01:08:15.719
in the semifinals. I was,
yeah and so and that and that's the

875
01:08:15.800 --> 01:08:18.439
thing. Do we because I know
in casebs right, we have this whole

876
01:08:18.479 --> 01:08:25.880
thing on the table of death.
Are we now starting to get groups of

877
01:08:26.039 --> 01:08:30.479
the table with the group of death
and that's the eight I don't think.

878
01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:36.119
So go ahead, Chris, you
know, especially at World you gotta you

879
01:08:36.199 --> 01:08:41.960
gotta remember you got judges coming from
all over the world. You got international

880
01:08:42.079 --> 01:08:45.159
judges, You've got from all over
the different parts of the country. So

881
01:08:45.279 --> 01:08:47.960
I mean, I think, you
know, and I think they probably do

882
01:08:48.039 --> 01:08:53.640
a fairly good job of spreading them
out throughout the tables. And you get

883
01:08:53.640 --> 01:08:58.800
some international judges hitting, you know, on a couple of tables not used

884
01:08:58.800 --> 01:09:02.079
to American flavors, and I think
I think that may affect the scores.

885
01:09:02.119 --> 01:09:05.760
But you know, I don't think
it's I don't think it's a bad thing.

886
01:09:05.800 --> 01:09:11.199
I just you know, I think
it's just no, and you know

887
01:09:11.239 --> 01:09:15.560
what that and that's what I you
know, started seeing a lot at the

888
01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:24.560
Royal. I've been seeing a lot
more international teams getting called in the last

889
01:09:24.600 --> 01:09:30.720
couple of years, and with the
I'm trying to be politically correct, but

890
01:09:31.279 --> 01:09:41.239
more of the Latin start out,
but but more of the Latin background,

891
01:09:41.319 --> 01:09:45.000
right, So I'm thinking, you
know, Latin, right, there's a

892
01:09:45.039 --> 01:09:48.479
little more spice to what they've been
turning in. And that was a no

893
01:09:48.479 --> 01:09:53.479
no for a while at the Royal. It's always needed to be sweet,

894
01:09:53.720 --> 01:09:57.760
you know, extra sauce. Do
you think some of that is changing the

895
01:09:57.840 --> 01:10:01.399
game on flavor profiles because of the
different judges and where they're coming from.

896
01:10:02.800 --> 01:10:13.239
Yes, yes, Phil, Yes, Phil? All right, all right,

897
01:10:13.319 --> 01:10:15.279
all right, enough enough with Phil
attempting. I think we're getting I

898
01:10:15.359 --> 01:10:20.880
think we're getting way too I think
we're getting way too deep into a great

899
01:10:21.479 --> 01:10:24.840
Okay, I asked Craig. I
want to ask Craig one more question.

900
01:10:25.439 --> 01:10:32.720
Oh boy, how far north have
you competed in s c A and how

901
01:10:32.760 --> 01:10:40.000
far south? And what has been
your like even playing field as far as

902
01:10:40.039 --> 01:10:47.319
flavor profiles. I'll never go to
Wisconsin again. Yeah, And I've competed

903
01:10:47.720 --> 01:10:56.239
all the way from Florida to the
bottom of Texas. So, and you

904
01:10:56.359 --> 01:11:00.680
keep the same flavor profile or do
you spice it up or tony down when

905
01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:04.279
you go into different areas. There's
a few ers. I'll I add a

906
01:11:04.279 --> 01:11:08.359
little bit of salt to it,
but for the most part, I just

907
01:11:08.399 --> 01:11:13.079
try and keep the basic profile.
Yes, all right, well let's wrap

908
01:11:13.119 --> 01:11:16.319
this up. I'll send it to
you, Phil, thank you. Yeah,

909
01:11:16.359 --> 01:11:19.840
yeah, yeah, email it to
me. Are you coming hey?

910
01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:24.439
Are you coming to North Carolina next
month? No, I'm actually going to

911
01:11:24.479 --> 01:11:29.319
Connecticut. That's why I'm trying to
get my tips. Why light and southern

912
01:11:29.359 --> 01:11:32.479
thunder and your walk there you go, all right, I'm going with it.

913
01:11:32.560 --> 01:11:35.720
I'm going with it and cook it
perfectly too, right, and you

914
01:11:35.880 --> 01:11:43.199
uh, and you better, Wicked
Pig. I'm always wicked Pig. I'm

915
01:11:43.199 --> 01:11:45.800
wiki picked down. You know.
You know why I'm gonna I'm gonna drop

916
01:11:45.840 --> 01:11:53.039
the times right now on why Because
one of my secrets in marinating my meat

917
01:11:53.159 --> 01:11:59.359
pause is pineapple enzymes, which Wicked
Pig has in it, right, So

918
01:11:59.640 --> 01:12:03.439
that pineapple ends on. Does it
just flavor it, but it also breaks

919
01:12:03.520 --> 01:12:09.199
down the muscles and the fat,
and I love it. You may not

920
01:12:09.239 --> 01:12:13.399
even wickipig cook with white lightning and
Southern thunder and your wall, no matter

921
01:12:13.399 --> 01:12:15.520
where you had to cut, even
if you pay for all your steak.

922
01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:23.000
All I can tell you is we're
going to go there. I heard at

923
01:12:23.000 --> 01:12:26.399
one point in time the judges did
not like a deep fred Rabbi, and

924
01:12:26.479 --> 01:12:30.079
I don't know where that comes from. You must have got a text.

925
01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:34.640
All right, I'm a back off
before I barrel pulls my coot plug.

926
01:12:35.720 --> 01:12:39.680
You already got fold. I just
shut you off right there because you don't

927
01:12:39.760 --> 01:12:42.920
understand time change. So all right, Well, thank you so much to

928
01:12:43.000 --> 01:12:46.479
Chris. We understand it's getting close
to ten thirty your time. Craig as

929
01:12:46.520 --> 01:12:49.239
well. Appreciate you guys coming on
with us this late. We thank you

930
01:12:49.279 --> 01:12:56.079
guys. Congratulations to Chris, world
changing. Congratulations world Chap. I appreciate

931
01:12:56.119 --> 01:13:00.600
it. Thanks for coming on with
us, Craig, Chris last, thank

932
01:13:00.600 --> 01:13:03.159
you all. I appreciate it.
Yes, yes, I'll see you guys

933
01:13:03.159 --> 01:13:08.960
in Memphis later. Good. Thank
you, Beryl, thank you,