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Hello, and welcome to the Federalist
Radio Hour. My name's Tristanjustice and I'm

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the Western correspondent for the Federalist.
And joining me today is a Montana radio

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host, Aaron Flynn. Aaron,
how are you doing? Hey, I'm

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doing great. Great to chat with
you, Tristan, big fan of your

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work at the Federalist. Thank you. Now, are you based in Helena

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or Billings or Yeah, I'm based
I'm based in Billings, But when we

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go stayed wide with our radio show
from nine to ten Mountain time, we're

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on the air in Helena and yeah, about twenty plus radio signals all across

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Montana, so we take callers everything. Wow. So I want to talk

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about the stuff that's been going on
in Helena. There seems to be quite

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a few disruptions going national. But
what you have at you know, the

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Lettuce Chair of course pass this built
to protect minors with genera dysphoria from undergoing

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these permanent procedures with hormone treatments and
surgeries and all the kinds of stuff that's

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going on. But there's a transgender
lawmaker up there who's making a fuss about

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this and has been encouraging demonstrators to
take over the capitol, and we've been

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seeing this play out across the country. What have you been seeing happening in

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Montana. Well, I think what's
really interesting, So the legislature just wrapped

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up and the transgender lawmaker drama kind
of consumed the final few days of the

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legislative session, but nonetheless they still
had a lot of work done. But

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what I find very interesting, so
here in Montana, we have a ninety

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day legislative session started back in January, wraps up by the end of April,

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first part of May. So and
they only meet every other year.

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We do not. Our lawmakers do
not meet every year, so they have

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a biennial session, right, And
I think it was very clear since day

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one that this representative from Missoula,
Montana and Zula, Montana for your listeners,

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is like the Berkeley, California of
Montana. It's the Boulder, Colorado

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of Montana. Rights. It's the
liberal hotbed. I went to college there

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at a great town, but it's
changed a lot because of the college campus

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environment. All the radical environmental groups
and other left wing activists that have kind

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of found a home in Missoula,
Montana. So that's where this transgender lawmaker

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comes from. And I think it
was very clear that very early on that

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the Democrats and this Representative Zephyr from
Assoula, We're going to try to figure

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out a way to become a victim, try to figure out a way to

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say, oh, those mean Republicans
are being mean to me, right,

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you know, the latest the latest
victimhood Olympics. And really, I think

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the Republicans did an incredible job.
They have a supermajority in the Montana Legislature

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now because the Democrats have gone so
far off the deep end, and so

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obviously the Republicans have this supermajority.
They're in charge. But I thought they

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did a really good job throughout the
entirety of the session really being kind and

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risk respectful to this representative and the
rest of the Democrats, and and and

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I think I think they did a
very good job because I think from from

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day one, you know, we
knew that this Representative Zephyr was going to

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be demanding access to the women's restrooms
and they were going to be playing the

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pronoun game. But it's quite remarkable
when you think about it that really it

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wasn't until the final few days of
the legislative session, that it took this

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Representative Zephyr breaking House rules, breaking
decorum, attacking fellow lawmakers with a bigoted

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attack on lawmakers of faith, then
refusing to apologize for breaking those rules,

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then cheering on this trans insurrection,
this transurrection, when these transgender activists ended

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up getting arrested for tussling with law
enforcement and disrupting the democratic process on the

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Montana House floor. So it's quite
remarkable that that it took. It took

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Presentative Zephyr breaking the rules and then
cheering on this mob in order to finally

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get the national attention that representatives of
Zephyr so desperately wanted from day one.

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So I definitely I really want to
talk about, you know, the media

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treatment of everything going on there,
how they've covered this, how they've covered

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Representative Zephyr, But I want to
first go through some of the legislation that's

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been passed up there, because it's
my understanding that there's not just one bill

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that the legislature passed on on these
issues. They passed the bill protecting minors

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with genera dysphoria from these permanent life
altering interventions, but I understand they've passed

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several pieces of legislation addressing this issue. Yeah. The other big one is

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what's known as medical rights of conscience, which I'm sure you've been tracking in

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other states. Which okay, So, not only did we pass Senate Bill

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ninety nine, and a great Vietnam
veteran by the name of John Fuller,

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a state senator out of Callus Bell, Montana, he was the author of

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Senate Bill ninety nine. And so
that's the legislation that would protect kids from

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these radical transgender surgeries chopping off healthy
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that can lead to lifelong health complications
and things like that. But in addition

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to that, there was a bill
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law that's known as medical Rights of
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carried by Representative Amy Rigear, also
at a Callous Spell. And what this

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does is this says, hey,
so not only has Montana now said,

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hey, we're going to protect kids
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that, but we want to protect
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being forced into having to take part
in these horrific types of procedures as well.

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So so if you know, like
much like we saw from Matt Walsh's

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great reporting out of Tennessee where they
where you know, they were busted on

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camera saying hey, hey, hospitals, you're going to have to force your

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nurses and doctors to perform these procedures
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money doing these procedures on these kids. So you're gonna but you're gonna have

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to force nurses and doctors to partake
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want to do this to kids.
So I think the Montana legislature and the

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governor knew they've got to protect healthcare
professionals from being forced into this as well.

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So just like we don't want nurses
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perform abortion, uh, we don't
also don't want to protect our nurses and

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doctors from not being forced into having
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remove healthy body parts off of kids. There's also a you know, a

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drag queen story our targeting kids.
There's a there's a bill that pass the

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legislative session on that front as well. Really these issues really became the I

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think, the most in the spotlight
types of issues for this legislative session.

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Because if we're to look back on
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I think it can best be summed
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that, Okay, here's the Republicans
upermajority in Montana that just delivered over a

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billion dollars in tax relief, tax
reduction in the rates, tax rebate checks

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that come out later this summer.
So the Republicans delivered over a billion dollars

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in tax relief. And what defined
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these radical transgender surgeries on kids and
dragging drag queens to the capital so that

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they can read to kids. What
in the world and this is happening nationwide?

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I mean, I made a list
of all the states suit that where

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capitals of legislatures have been passing similar
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come under attacked by transgender demonstrations Tennessee, Kansas, Kentucky, Florida, Oklahoma,

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Missouri, Texas. I mean,
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and a half years, we had
every single major media outlet of condemning this

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quote insurrection at the capital after January
sixth, And I'm reading the Associated Press

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last week over what's been going on
in Montana that the conservatives are redefining what

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an insurrection is to go after transgender
people. And so of course there's some

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media culpability in all this, but
you know, speak about trans transgender issues

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at large. Um, you know, they said for years that this wasn't

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happening, that these that there was
no surgeries for you know, children under

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eighteen to permanently alter their bodies.
But now we know, we have major

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institutions bragging about how profitable these procedures
have been for their bottom line. Vanderbilt

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University is a great example of this. The news came out last year by

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Matt Walsh at the Daily Wire and
I was just reading about Snapchat today that

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there is this reporter from the Babylon
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posts on Twitter how they were speaking
to snapchats artificial intelligence robot, which is

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on every single child's cell phone today. Who's got the Snapchat app? Which

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seems like everyone quote, I feel
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times since napchats artificial intelligence, and
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to doctors who offered quote, gender
firming care, which of course is a

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misleading term in and of itself.
But so, I mean, this legislation

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is warranted, even especially after Democrats
were trying to say this wasn't happening,

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this wasn't happening. Well, it
wasn't happening. A this legislation wouldn't can

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be necessary be if it wasn't happening. Why do you care so much that

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the legislation is being passed? And
see now you're you know, descending hundreds

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and hundreds of Approachans demonstrators on capitals
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their terms, is an insurrection.
Yeah, no, exactly, And it's

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it's so similar to the twenty twenty
BLM riots that we saw on attacks on

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law enforcement, burning down police precincts, targeting US marshals at a federal court

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house, targeting law enforcement, burning
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they were so dismissive of hundreds of
BLM riots. But yet then when it

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comes to January sixth, that's all
they can talk about. And yeah,

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in a similar regard all of a
sudden, they don't care about disrupting the

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democratic process at a capitol. They
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Don't call it it's like LLL COOLJ. Don't call it a comeback, but

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this is. Don't call it an
insurrection. The media lectures us on and

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and yet we see these attacks now
taking place in state house after state house

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after state house. It just once
again exposes the hypocrisy of the liberal media

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mob. I mean the Associated Press
for example. This is going to sound

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like Inside Baseball, but you know
here in Montana, let's say twenty years

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ago, if you were a local
radio station in say, you know,

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wolf Point, Montana, you'd rip
out the AP headlines for the day.

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You might have six or seven Associated
Press news headlines for the day of Montana

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stories that the broadcast editor trimmed down
for broadcast form and put it into broadcast

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format. Today, you're lucky if
there's one thirty second story sitting there waiting

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for you, if you were to
rip and read off the AP wire.

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Last week, they had three stories
almost every single day, all on this

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radical transgender lawmaker from Massoula. And
they were and each story was biased,

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and each story was calling him her
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And I think you know what I've
heard from so many women across Montana is

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that you know they're so desperate not
to offend a man from Missoula, that

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they're offending women from all across Montana. Right. You spoke about drag shows

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for kids your earlier Look, I
don't have an issue with drag and of

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itself. I don't understand the fascination
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I don't watch True Paul's Drag Race, even though I'm I'm gay,

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and all my friends do. I
just I don't understand the fascination with it.

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But drag shows have absolutely no place
for children. And but they all

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hate this groom terminology. Okay,
if you don't want to be called a

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groomer, maybe don't groom children.
Why are you? This was the question

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that people here in Montana kept asking, why are they? Because they brought

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drag queens to the capital and did
a drag queen story hour inside our Montana

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capital. And it's like, hey, hey, Zoe Zephyr, you got

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your surgery as a thirty something year
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Nobody's barring anybody else like you from
doing that. Nobody's telling you you

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can't do that. Nobody's telling you
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Yeah. In a similar regard,
I had a guy call in to the

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radio show early on in the Drag
Queen Story Hour debate when they were when

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they did want it a zoo here
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look, yeah, there there's a
drag queen event that goes on at a

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bar in Bozeman. He says,
I'm a straight white male. I go

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to the event. I find it
entertaining. He's like, but that's at

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a bar. He said, that's
not appropriate for kids. So why are

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they so desperate to read kids and
to talk to our kids? Like it's

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just crazy? And then with the
surgeris why are they so desperate on targeting

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and Carey. Now you have legislation
and states like like Oregon, I believe

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it's Oregon, if that California,
Colorado allowing minors to pursue these treatments without

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parental consent. And so yeah,
there's a real problem here. But back

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to to See's effort. So the
legislature has been working on this, uh,

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this package of transgender legislation for the
past few months, and it was

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in mid April that the storyline really
took off when you had this lawmaker from

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Missoula. He's a he's a freshman
representative, first term in the House,

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first transgender representative in the House start
taking this grand stand against this package of

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legislation, and mocked Republican prayers,
claiming that if this legislation passed, then

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Republicans could next time they pray,
we'll see put blood on your hands.

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And so that demonstrably violated the quorum. House Republicans acted appropriately censured the representative

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until he issued an apology. The
speaker refused to recognize him, and he,

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uh, you know, encouraged this
mob of pro chance demonstrators to take

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a the capitol. The legislature had
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canceled an entire session the next day, and then ultimately ban the representative from

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the rest of this year's legislative session. And like you said, the legislature

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only meets every other year, so
he's not allowed back in the chamber for

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the rest for the rest of the
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even even further than that, I
mean, the entire time, no one

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took away the representatives right to vote
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just can't participate in floor debate.
After builing decorum and encouraging this transurrection,

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what else am I missing here.
Yeah, no, you're you're hitting the

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nail on the head here, and
and you shared the full story there.

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Most of the left wing media,
the legacy media, whatever, however you

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want to refer to them, they
only give half the story. They say,

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well, Zephyr was censured for saying
blood on their hands. No,

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it's the attack on people of faith. If you attack a specific group of

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people, you can't even say another
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House. I had a former representative, John Synrood's his name, and he

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said, hey, you know,
everybody gets fired up, everybody gets passionate.

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He said, one time I used
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Well, that was against the rules. So I apologized and we moved

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on. And isn't it interesting that
that there's representative Zephyr was so desperate to

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pretend to be the victim, so
desperate to pretend to be discriminated against,

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to look like this fake civil rights
hero, that representative Zephyr didn't want to

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be treated like everybody else, because
everybody else would have followed the rules,

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apologized and moved on, But but
no, no, no, Zephyr wanted

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different treatment. Wanted to be discriminated
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They held Zephyr to the same rules
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another former lawmaker, his name is
Roger Coopman. He was on our Public

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Service Commission here in Montana as well, and he told a story there was,

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you know, the teachers Union activists
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session and they started getting a little
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they were starting to get out of
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the floor at the time saw what
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they started calming the mob down.
They said, hey, you know,

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because they knew, like, if
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of the rules, law enforcement was
going to have them removed. The Sergeant

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at of Arms was going to remove
these people from the gallery and it was

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going to make the Democrats look very
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floor quieted down the mob. Zephyr, on the other hand, stood there

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on the floor. Well, everybody
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remember these transgender activists were throwing things
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are there helping with the legislature as
well. So the sergeant at arms for

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People's Safety cleared the floor of the
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raised up the microphone like some rage
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from some throwback nineteen nineties concert,
raised the microphone in the air, raised

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the fist in the air, and
urged the mob on. Could you imagine

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if on January sixth, the Republican
had stayed back and was hanging next to

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mister Buffalo head guy and was raising
a microphone and cheering on the crowd at

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January six Oh man, they'd be
in shackles right now. Who had also

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remind listeners went to the Senate chambers
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So pretty remarkable contrast. But you
know one thing about this whole thing.

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This is not Selma nineteen sixty five. This isn't I feel like these demonstrators

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are treating this as this is morally
righteous crusade for transgender rights to do these

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procedures on track, And even if
it was, they were on the wrong

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side of the bridge. They're they're
fighting to take away women's rights they're fighting

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to take away hard fought for women's
and girls opportunities in sports Title nine.

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They're on the wrong side of the
bridge, even if they think they're in

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Selma. You're absolutely right. And
you especially saw that play out in Tennessee

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when you had these representatives begin to
claim Republicans were being racist because to the

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three lawmakers centured who are expelled from
the legislature are black. And so they

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did this massive march parade through Nashville
with this massive crowd behind them as if

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this is Selma nineteen sixty five.
Well, and and oh Man one of

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us. So you went to George
Washington University right in Washington, DC,

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is at right, Tristan, That's
where you went to college, right.

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So I started college at Howard University
in Washington, DC, you know,

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and I was one of like six
white guys there my freshman year, I

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think. And I lived in the
all male dorm, the all guys dorm,

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Carver Hall. And you know,
when I would get done waiting tables

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at night because I had to wait
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So when i'd get back late at
night, I'd end up bs and

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then having a good time, oh
you know, you know, chatting it

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up with the guys in the dorm. I'll guarantee you that that lawmaker in

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Tennessee, the guy you know with
the afro that pretended to be Hillary Clinton

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at a black Southern church. But
I'll guarantee if I was back at that

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dorm, those guys would be laughing
hysterically mocking that guy because he's such a

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phony. I mean, he goes
from being Carlton on the Fresh Prince of

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bel Air, you know, when
he was at that that very ritsty college

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in New Hampshire running for student body
president, to all of a sudden,

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now he's like some some fake wanna
be Al Sharpton. I mean, it's

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just like, what a phony.
I love that transformation because I think it

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says so much about how they approach
these issues. I mean, it's it's

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it's like they're it's like they're LARPing
the civil rights movement from and that's actually

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pretty offensive when you get down to
it, uh, treating these issues as

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this you know, worthy righteous crusade
for civil rights. Um. And it's

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not just I don't know if it's
Justin Jenes, Justin Pearson who that massive

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transformation, but you're seeing it across
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I love watching anytime Alexandrocazio Cortez talks
about identity politics. She talks like she's

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a preacher at a Baptist church.
I don't know if you've seen this.

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When I remember when she did that
town hall meeting and all of a sudden,

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she's like, it's like, whoa
what all of a sudden am I

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watching Scarface here? Where did that
accent come from? I mean, are

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you stealing money from a boiler down
in Puerto Rico? Again? What the

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hecks going on here? It's absolutely
LARPing the movement from the sixties. But

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I want to get into how the
media has been been treating all of this.

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They pretended there was some big backlash
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they're an electoral jeopardy for maintained a
quorum and the legislature down there. They're

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doing a similar thing in Montana.
There's one wallmaker in particular, who's uh,

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you know, born the brunt of
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she's from Billings Representive Carrie Sekum's wrote
a column about her this week, NBC

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News went back and found a clip
of her speaking on the flour from several

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months ago about the mental health issues
at her family has phased and claimed right

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in the headline something long lines of
Montana lawmaker would rather have a dead daughter

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than a transgender daughter. Which is
this ridiculous talking point in the left about

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transgenderism, even though there's multiple studies
now showing that easier access to these actually

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raises the risk of suicide. But
this lawmaker, she wasn't even her her

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daughter wasn't even transgender. She said
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Her daughter, she bravely shared this
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a three year period where she was
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And that was that speech was manipulated
by NBC News, which was then,

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you know, rippled across the media. Salon picked it up. Game media

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such as The Advocate picked it up
to clean that you would rather have a

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dead daughter than transgender daughter. Yeah, it was so outrageous, and you

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know, and it's crazy too because
just like you pointed out here, we

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know that that when it comes to
these these radical transgender surgeries where they're going

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to chop healthy body parts off of
kids or given these puberty blockers, you

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know, you start hindering bone development. What's that going to do to somebody

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down the road. And so you
think about it, even if somebody did

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have a kid that was struggling with
gender dysphoria. Here you've got these folks

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on the left and these greedy folks
from some of these associations that want to

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profit off of off of these challenges
that these kids are facing. And they

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say, oh, that's it,
you just need you need to chop off

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their body parts or they're going to
commit suicide. When what we've seen in

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Sweden, even Elon Musk pointed this
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that is that actual suicides, not
just suicidal ideation, actual suicides went up

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in a big way after the surgery, after the surgeries took place. And

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now, now if they want to
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because they still faced a lot of
societal blowback and pressure. No, this

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was in Europe where they fully embrace
this, where the society embraced this type

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of this type of culture, and
yet it still happened, So maybe there's

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something else at play there and so
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here's the other big picture thing I
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So, so are these activists in
as NBC News and these others are

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they are they telling, you know, parents all across America, now,

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well, if your kid, if
your kid says they want something, you

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just have to give it to them. I mean, you, you as

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the parent, you don't know what's
best for your kid. That's six year

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old knows what's best for that six
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wants a smartphone and and a TikTok
account and a tender account or what are

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you just got to give that kid
a smartphone? Because if you don't give

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that kids smartphone, I mean,
you don't know what it's going to do

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to them. If that little kid
likes playing cops and robbers and wants to

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walk around the neighborhood with a loaded
gun, you have to let them do

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it. Otherwise you're a bad parent. Is that what they're really suggesting here?

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and he made a really fascinating point
this bully campaign that Zephyr has engaged

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with from the floor of the Montana
House. You lawmakers, you'll have blood

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on your hands because he's suggesting that, well, if you pass this bill,

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there's gender dysphoric kids out there that
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every single LGBTQ organization out there,
there were several that Carl named in this

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piece that we had on our Montana
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not say that, do not do
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You are encouraging suicide. And when
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are doing, think about it.
What is the message they are sending to

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these kids that are struggling at these
issues out there? All these people hate

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you, they dislike you, they're
trying to erase you off the face of

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the earth. No, we're just
saying you better wait till you're eighteen because

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you might decide to identify in a
different way ten years from now. So

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maybe you don't want to chop that
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they are literally promoting suicide. They
are promoting suicidal ideation amongst all these kids.

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They want these kids to be angry. They want these kids to hate

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these Republicans or these parents who are
simply trying to protect them. That has

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got to be one of the most
sinister, disgusting and evil things. So

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they claim to be LGBTQ, yet
at the same time they're promoting talking points

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and legs and policies that would actually
be very harmful and lead to more suicide

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amongst the very groups they claim to
be protecting. I mean, there's it's

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just a crazy story all around,
right This ll near about about, you

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know, kids being denied access to
purity blockers being more suicidal is such a

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deeply dishonest a talking point to exploit
that, you know, this pain that

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families are struggling with these issues.
I don't think it's any it's any secret

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that kids today are facing an unprecedented
amount of stress. I think technology has

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really become a poison in the classroom
more than it's helping us at this point.

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In a lot of ways. It's
like, I can't imagine going through

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elementary, middle and high school with
the level of access to social media that

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kids have now today, and you
have on across these platforms, these elite

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institutions telling kids that they can change
their sex and gender willy nilly without fear

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of consequence and so and I also
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delay of puberty as testosteron levels front, you know, there's there's one,

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there's there's one, there's one data
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I would love to see the Tystosteran
levels in men today who claim to

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identify as women as as Tasha,
and levels drop off a cliff, which

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is an issue that nobody's talking about. I think you have, you know,

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this generation of people who are going
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saying, well, maybe it's it's

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maybe you're not depressed, maybe you're
just transgender, and you plant that seat

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in their mind and then they convince
themselves that they're transgender, and then it

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creates this saga into an ray or
of confusion, and then they become lifelong

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medical patients. And so I think, you know, this whole narrative of

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well as person might kill themselves if
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to do here is so deeply dishonest. And the fact that they regurgitated that

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to go after this Republican lawmaker just
because she supported legislation to protect kids from

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these life changing procedures. Is it
really speaks so much to how our media

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operates in this country and relieve what
their motives are. And so when we

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talked about NBC, you talked about
an associated press trying to redefine insurrection,

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to go after Republicans and protect these
these approachans demonstrations. I want to know,

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you know, as a as a
as a local radio host up there,

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you're really you have such a better
pulse than I do on how the

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local media has been covering the saga. How has the local media been treating

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this all? The local media is
an absolute train wreck. And even the

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good local journalists that want to do
journalism and want to be fair and want

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to be unbiased, that their outlets
won't allow them to be to be real

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journalists anymore. You better use the
pronouns, You better use the pronot.

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You know, I can do a
full radio show talking about Representative Zoe Zephyr

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from Missoula without using any pronouns whatsoever. Ud David Dewhurst is his name.

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He was Montana's solicitor general. He
spoke at a Montana Family Foundation banquet once

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and he made a really great point. I think, by the way,

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I think he's Wow. I bet
better not say where he's at now because

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I can't remember which state he's in
now. But anyway, incredible guy,

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very entertaining guy. But he gave
a speech at the Montana Family Foundation banquet

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a few years ago and he said, he said, you know, as

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lawyers, and I think this could
could, or at least should apply to

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journalists as well. He says,
we swear an oath to tell the truth.

405
00:30:21,559 --> 00:30:23,680
When we get admitted to the bar, we take an oath to tell

406
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,440
the truth, and you could you
could also say this as journalists. I

407
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,039
mean, I don't think any journalists
are you know, putting their hand on

408
00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:33,759
the Bible or even the Quran for
that matter, to swear to tell the

409
00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:37,279
truth, right, but they should
be committed to telling the truth. And

410
00:30:37,359 --> 00:30:41,319
he raised this question, well,
how does that work when it comes to

411
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,680
gender pronouns. I mean, if
somebody's a key but identifies as as she,

412
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,400
Well, if I'm you know,
sworn oath to tell the truth,

413
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:49,839
what am I supposed to do?
What am I supposed to say? So

414
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:55,519
I don't go out of my way, you know, to poke a transgender

415
00:30:55,599 --> 00:30:59,440
lawmaker in the eye, I just
treat it more, you know. But

416
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,200
but but I'm also not gonna lie
and call a he a she for example,

417
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:07,640
right, so instead I why do
I need to use pronouns at all?

418
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,319
And he talked about doing that in
legal documents, where you just refer

419
00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:14,440
to the lawmaker by name or whatever. Right, And that's kind of a

420
00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:21,079
roundabout way of coming back to the
liberal media and how you're not even allowed

421
00:31:21,079 --> 00:31:25,799
to be a journalist anymore in most
places other than places like the Federalist or

422
00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:30,240
talk radio. But they've been biased
for years there. They're constantly in the

423
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:36,799
back pocket of the Montana Democrat Party. What's been kind of funny to watch

424
00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:41,680
is because of all the national attention
with this Zoe Zephyr story, you can

425
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:47,200
tell all of these pr firms are
descending on the Capitol and Helena. They're

426
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,759
invading the Montana Politics hashtag on Twitter, and so a lot of tweets are

427
00:31:51,759 --> 00:31:55,440
getting a lot more eyeballs than they
used to get, and you're seeing a

428
00:31:55,480 --> 00:32:00,559
lot more nasty rhetoric from the bots
from the left and the liberal media descended

429
00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:04,960
on this story and it's just like
the era and it's just like the era

430
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,960
of COVID nineteen when we had a
Democrat governor who was issuing statewide mandates and

431
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:15,039
there were lockdowns taken place. We
the people of Montana very quickly pushed back

432
00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:19,000
against that nonsense, and that governor
got basically got his butt kicked in the

433
00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:22,720
United States Senate race in twenty twenty
as a result of it. But if

434
00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:27,039
you were to just read Twitter,
or if you were to just see what

435
00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:30,720
the TV stations are reporting or what
the newspapers are reporting, you would think,

436
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:35,599
oh, yeah, these mandates and
these mask mandates and these lockdowns.

437
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,079
Yeah, I mean, it's it's
the right thing to do. It's backed

438
00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:42,400
by the public. But if you
actually saw reality and got out there and

439
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,119
talk to real people or listen to
talk radio, you would quickly realize,

440
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:51,480
oh, man, no, this
is very unpopular and so in much the

441
00:32:51,559 --> 00:32:53,160
same way, if you were to
just look at Twitter and look at local

442
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,240
media and national media, you would
think, oh, yeah, the public

443
00:32:57,319 --> 00:33:00,920
is a gas at the fact that
this that the rules were being enforced on

444
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:07,160
this lawmaker from Assoula, when in
reality people think that it is nuts what

445
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:12,640
the Democrat party is pushing here and
and and they think real women should get

446
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,359
should get a microphone, and should
get the attention. And they're sick and

447
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:22,640
tired of this man from Missoula hog
and all this attention, right, And

448
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,279
I want to get that to that
point about pronouns. You know, I

449
00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:30,039
mean, I love compassion. I
have the most compassion for people who are

450
00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:34,759
who are struggling with these issues.
I will call to their you know,

451
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:37,759
in person, when I've seen them
face to face. I will call someone

452
00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:39,359
whatever they want to be called.
It's like someone whose name is Robert,

453
00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:44,880
but they go by Bob whatever.
But any paper of record, UM,

454
00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:50,240
when you are you know, paid
to tell a story truthfully, UM,

455
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,000
you're supposed to use the accurate pronouns
in align with one's biology. But instead

456
00:33:54,039 --> 00:34:00,559
we've kind of created this culture where
people are just making stuff up and so

457
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,480
and to get to same zephyr.
It's my understanding that, you know,

458
00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:09,360
none of the lawmakers were rude to
this person. Um, I think they

459
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:14,199
were very kind. I think there, especially the Republican women, were just

460
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,599
you know, when you'd have you
know, just off air conversations with them.

461
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:22,679
I think they have such a heart
for this lawmaker from a zola where

462
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:25,519
they just you know, they feel
bad for the struggles that that lawmaker has

463
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:30,519
faced, and you know why they're
in this position that they're in. And

464
00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:34,119
so these are compassionate people who,
yeah, they bent over backwards. They

465
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,119
they installed bathroom locks so that the
women can still feel safe that are using

466
00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:43,800
the women's room. And you know, they men on the floor of the

467
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,960
house. They're supposed to wear suits, but they didn't force this biological male

468
00:34:47,039 --> 00:34:50,840
to wear a suit. They gave
an exception there. So you know,

469
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,320
they were bending over backwards to be
kind. But this this lawmaker was was

470
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:59,320
determined to be a martyr, was
determined to become a national celebrity and get

471
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,840
rewarded by NBC and MSNBC and CNN. Well, one thing I wanted to

472
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:07,360
mention, like what you were saying, Tristan, which is, hey,

473
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,440
look, however you live your life, you do you this is America,

474
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:15,000
right right. I interviewed Rob O'Neill. He's the Navy seal who killed Osama

475
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:20,239
bin Laden. He's from Butte,
Montana, and I interviewed him because he

476
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,079
basically, you know, he was
talking about the Navy having this drag Queen

477
00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:28,199
in their recruiting video and how it's
a bunch of bs and and and he

478
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,559
made the point like he's like,
look, whatever you do in your off

479
00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:32,559
duty hours, hey, that'sk you. You do your thing. I got

480
00:35:32,599 --> 00:35:35,880
nothing against you. If you want
to go be a drag queen, you

481
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,719
go, do you, he said. But you know, but when it

482
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,440
comes to the military, the first
thing you do when when you join,

483
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:45,519
they shave your head and they put
you in a uniform because it's about the

484
00:35:45,559 --> 00:35:49,760
team. And I thought that was
such a great point. And and you

485
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,199
know, because i served in Iraq
and Afghanistan, and I've served with people

486
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:58,559
of all all sorts of backgrounds and
you know, different lifestyles, and I

487
00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:01,440
love every single one of them in
credible people. So but but this is

488
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:07,440
about protecting kids, and this is
about and this is also about protecting our

489
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,840
freedoms and not being forced into compelled
speech and a violation of our constitutional rights.

490
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:15,880
And it's also about basic basic truth
here at some point, right and

491
00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:21,199
I can say for a listeners as
Western correspond you know, I've I've traveled

492
00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:25,920
the entire region talking to voters and
and you know, people out there and

493
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,960
the press. This this what I've
learned is that there's this kind of small

494
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:36,039
el libertarianism that is so present out
in the Mountain West. Um, they

495
00:36:36,039 --> 00:36:39,440
don't care what other people do,
just as long as you don't beat them

496
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:44,400
alone, let them do whatever they
want. Yeah, And it's kind of

497
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:50,320
like the marijuana thing. You know. Even Montana legalized uh recreational marijuana,

498
00:36:50,679 --> 00:36:52,320
right, And I think that's because, you know, a lot of us

499
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:57,840
are kind of like, hey,
gol, I I'm not happy necessarily about

500
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,000
the drug culture. I'm not happy
about the marijuana stuff that's going on.

501
00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:05,639
I think it's fueling the fentel and
the merril and the meth increase that we're

502
00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:07,559
seeing once again, just like it
did in Denver, Colorado. But I

503
00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:09,119
think at the end of the day, we're kind of like, hey,

504
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:13,559
man, you know, we've also
got friends that that do marijuana, that

505
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:15,599
do the gummy thing, and you
know what, again, you do you

506
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:23,480
But with the transgender the angry transgender
activists worse in here saying hey, yeah,

507
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,159
you guys, go do your thing. You go do the marijuana gummies,

508
00:37:27,199 --> 00:37:29,559
you go smoke marijuana. That's you. Hey, I don't want to

509
00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:31,280
smoke it, but but you got
you guys, do your thing, these

510
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:37,679
radical transgender activists like you will eat
the gummy, you will use the pronouns,

511
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,840
you will smoke the joint. And
it's like, guys, what happened

512
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:45,639
to live and let live? Or
I guess I shouldn't say guys, right,

513
00:37:45,679 --> 00:37:52,840
And you have this lawmaker who is
capitalizing on this um, this,

514
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:59,280
this caricature that legacy media has painted
of any any dissident to this kind of

515
00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:02,960
trans gender ideology. Who is there? Is us? You know? It

516
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,280
comes to mind when I think about
all these state lawmakers grant standing on the

517
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,960
trans issue, is that that woman
in Texas and I can't I'm blanking on

518
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,440
her name, but she made this, uh she did this filibuster in the

519
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,760
Texas Senate over abortion a number of
years ago. And I think a number

520
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:24,119
of state lawmakers are starting to realize
that they can capitalize on this depiction of

521
00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:29,320
of conservatives the media is painted to
build their own profiles. And so I

522
00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:32,159
imagine that's that's a big part of
the agenda here. Even though no one's

523
00:38:32,159 --> 00:38:37,800
denying, uh, this lawmaker to
pursue whatever treatment they won. No one's

524
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:43,840
design denying in the Mountaina adults to
pursue due treatments and yet their grandstanding as

525
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,239
if this is uh, you know, the modern civil rights movement. And

526
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,440
you know, I was reading the
New York Times this morning, Like you

527
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,440
said, the lawmakers in the Chamber
have been extremely courteous, have gone out

528
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:58,360
of their way to be courteous to
this, to this representative um in not

529
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,679
spreading the New York Times that the
House Speaker Matt right, I'm not sure

530
00:39:00,679 --> 00:39:04,159
if I'm gonna say this correctly.
We're here, yeah, we're here.

531
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:10,880
Yeah. One of the first things
he did was ensure adequate and safe in

532
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:16,679
private bathroom axis um right away.
And somehow the New York Times made that

533
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:22,199
out to sound like a bad thing. And yeah, you know, yeah,

534
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,760
the New York Times article, we
love the headline. Here in Montana,

535
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,519
I know the New York Times meant
it to be a hit piece on

536
00:39:28,559 --> 00:39:34,840
the Rigear family because Speaker Matt Rigear
is the son the father State Senator Keith

537
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,119
Rigear, Chair of Senate Judiciary.
Speaker Matt Rigear's sister, Amy is the

538
00:39:39,559 --> 00:39:44,599
Representative Rigear. She is the Chair
of House Judiciary. And they're just a

539
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,760
rock solid family. And so the
New York Times headline was something to the

540
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:53,480
effect of this family is why Montana
is unflinchingly conservative, and Matt was like,

541
00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:57,440
man, I love that headline,
but but then you read the article

542
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,320
and you can tell all typical New
York Times they're trying to make get a

543
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,880
hit piece here, and you know
what's fascinating about this. So just like

544
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,199
the legacy media, the liberal mob
media, the Twitter verse is trying to

545
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:14,519
attack Speaker the House Matt rigear as
some sort of anti trans or oh he

546
00:40:14,599 --> 00:40:20,079
was so awful the way he treated
Zoe's effort. The closing remarks when they

547
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,039
right before they did signy dye or
Senada, however you want to pronounce it.

548
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:30,920
The House Minority leader Kim Abbott took
to the floor and in her closing

549
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,960
remarks, she said, mister Speaker, you have been the biggest surprise of

550
00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:42,320
this session. I have enjoyed working
with you. Whenever I needed to talk,

551
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,079
you were available. It's like,
Wow, how come that didn't make

552
00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:49,480
the New York Times piece. I
guess that didn't fit the narrative for the

553
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,360
New York Times. I guess that
didn't fit the Zoe zeph For narrative either.

554
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:58,079
Absolutely, so I just want to
wrap up with this question. You

555
00:40:58,159 --> 00:41:00,800
know, the saga has been going
on Montana for number weeks now. It

556
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:06,559
seems to have died down this week
after Zephyr sued to regain four access but

557
00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:10,159
a judge denied, spelling out how
the Constitution explicitly states that the House can

558
00:41:10,199 --> 00:41:14,840
do stuff like that, so the
separation of powers. What do you think

559
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:20,719
this entire three weeks saga has exposed
about how media, and more broadly,

560
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:25,199
the left operates. Yeah, I
think mob tactics, and I forget who

561
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:30,320
first started using this media mob and
o'hannity uses it a lot, but mob

562
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:35,880
tactics, bullies, drive by media
is how the Great Rush Limball always referred

563
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,360
to it. So so the media
just did their drive by attack on representative

564
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,679
carry Seekins Crow. They did their
drive by attack on Speaker of the House

565
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:50,079
Matt Riggear. Thankfully the Federalist you
did a great piece exposing NBC and telling

566
00:41:50,119 --> 00:41:53,639
the real story. There another drive
by attack. I think it just once

567
00:41:53,679 --> 00:42:00,320
again shows that journalism is dead with
these legacy media outlets, that not only

568
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:05,039
will they not tell the truth,
but but they're being forced to tell a

569
00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:08,400
lie and do cheerlead that lie.
But you know, like you said,

570
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:13,000
yeah, they've packed up their camera
bags and moved on to the next state

571
00:42:13,039 --> 00:42:16,000
house facing a transurrection. The other
the other thing that I just wanted to

572
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:21,559
share that I find really interesting about
all of this on the radio. And

573
00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:24,920
uh and I think in the Federalist
piece that I wrote earlier this week,

574
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:30,159
I tried not to use specific body
parts, but I think since we're on

575
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,079
this is a podcast, so can
I use specific body parts? Is that

576
00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:35,400
okay? Would offend some of your
listeners, do you think, Tristan?

577
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:40,360
I don't know. I haven't asked
that question. Matter is okay always you

578
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:45,599
can edit it out or I'll give
you a second version. But basically this

579
00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:49,840
is not me saying this. So
this whole Zoey Zephyr story comes out.

580
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,519
Then we share a background piece on
Zoey Zephyr. Who is Zoey Zephyr And

581
00:42:54,559 --> 00:43:01,400
it turns out as Zoey Zephyr didn't
really even transition until twenty nineteen, went

582
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:09,559
through the surgery last year. So
basically in twenty twenty two, Zoey Zeffer,

583
00:43:09,639 --> 00:43:15,000
who had the birth name Zachary Rash, who was a high school wrestler

584
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:21,000
apparently anyway, so this, So
think about it this way. So Zoey

585
00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:25,599
Zephyr in twenty twenty one had a
penis, and then in twenty twenty two,

586
00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:34,800
zoe Zephyr has the vaginal plasti and
this female body part created. Right.

587
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:40,679
So this ranch woman, a ranch
mom in northeastern Montana, she read

588
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,960
this story that we had on our
Montana Talks website and her response was this,

589
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:47,760
she says, She says, Wait
a minute, this guy just got

590
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:53,679
his vagina last year. I have
bottles of ketchup and my refrigerator that are

591
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:58,519
older than his vagina. But now
he's the expert on women and what it

592
00:43:58,559 --> 00:44:01,280
means to be a woman. I
mean. And that's the type of reaction.

593
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,280
And I was shocked that, you
know, ranch women are pretty tough

594
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:10,039
anyway, but I was shocked that
this specific ranch mom outright said it the

595
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:15,199
way she said it, but it
really puts it in perspective. Well,

596
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,079
on that note, Aaron, thank
you for joining me as a pleasure.

597
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:22,679
All right, Tristan hey great reporting. Has always enjoyed reading your coverage in

598
00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:22,960
The Federalist. Thank you
