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Hello, everybody, Welcome to Game
Spot After Dark, episode two hundred and

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thirty four. I'm your host,
John Lusak. You joined this week by

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the one and only Michael p Hiham. Michael's going, what a new baby,

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It's chip. Motherfucking boy. It's
been a minute since I've been on,

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It's true. So it's a good
to be back. Yeah, it's

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good to have you back. Thank
you. Yeah. I have been around

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the world, and by the world, I mean the United States of America.

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So for US Americans, that's the
only listen, we run this ship.

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You know what I'm saying. Fucking
America. I fuck that shit,

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Fuck America. You know what I'm
saying. Yeah, absolutely, Uh guess.

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Kyle Hilliard, Magazine content director of
Game and Form, how do you

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feel about America? I feel pretty
good. I don't know if I feel

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as strongly as as I'm just look, I'm just thrown off by all the

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profanity, all the podcasts that I
am on. We're all we bleep it

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out, we keep it to ourselves. I just I don't know what to

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do with myself here in this situation. A little boys, it's exciting,

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it's it's it's thrilling. In a
way. It's like I've I've graduated to

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an R rooted movie somehow. Yeah, although I'm honestly like they should have

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shut us down a long time ago. Oh yeah, listen, no one

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knows that we still do this.
You think fandom knows that we do this?

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Fuck out of here Red Ventures never
knew nothing. CBS didn't know anything.

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So that's like two hundred and thirty
four episodes. So that was my

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zone, the Red Ventures. That
was That was my time's true. Yes,

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Y used to be at game Spot. You were our mobile editor,

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if I have that time. Yeah, it was never on the podcast though

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I don't know whose fault that is. I bugged people just let me on.

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I had to leave and then you
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That's what I had to do.
Yeah, well we finally got you

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on all this time later. You
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gaming for me. Yeah, that's
right, But it was it was a

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good time. I was here.
I was here for I was only I

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looked back. I was looking at
my Lincoln recently. It was only like

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six months. Wow, that it
wasn't that long. Yeah. Still,

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it was a it was a weird
little thing. Yeah, Yeah, you

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did a lot of stud that time. Yeah, you were. You were

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all our mobile stuff at the time. That was that was cool game spot

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legend. Yeah were you did you
help out with the Swipe thing that we

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did? Was that. I would
go so far as to say I was

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instrumental. There you go swipe thing, there you swipe at. I did

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on that. It was like two
more and others did a lot of the

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writing and like appearing in the Swipe
showcase and Greg Miller hosted. But I

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was doing a lot of like the
behind the scenes stuff like getting talking to

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mobile developers and getting their stuff like
on Swipe, and I did some stuff

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with ub Soft like yeah, so
yes, I was. I was,

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needless to say I was. I
was pretty heavily involved in the Swipe showcase,

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right. Yeah. For for those
who don't remember that, we did

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a thing in what twenty two where
we had like a Swipe mobile gaming showcase

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and that was our our attempt to
do like our own little little showcase with

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some premieres and stuff. And honestly, I thought it was like pretty solid,

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especially for like a first time thing
when you can think about like the

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the small crew involved putting that together. I think that came together really well.

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Yeah, I was happy. Cool, it was cool. Yeah,

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that was that was a neat little
thing. But yeah, Kyle, thank

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you for joining us. Yeah here
from Game Informer. I believe you have

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a like a magazine to talk about
I don't know, Like, so the

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words on paper is what you're telling
me. Yeah, it's like it's your

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parents will know about it, Like
if you all came about it, they'll

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be like, oh I remember that
stuff. Yeah yeah, oh yeah,

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yeah. I think my parents had
some magazines, you know, magazine.

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I've seen some magazines before in the
woods. Other Game Informer is not that

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kind of magazine. I just want
to get there. This is not I

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mean, I guess you could find
some copies of Game Informer out in the

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woods. What how much more copies
of Game Informer do you think you would

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sell? You know, pivot to
this new direction, this new direction,

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some dirty magazines Game Informer, after
Dark, Yes, put me on the

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set of I think After Dark is
taken. I don't know if that's a

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vail. It might not be.
Well, Brenton, we'll end it out.

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It's like a franchise thing, right, you just got to pay us

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you know, like sixty of all
your profits, all your profits. I'm

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definitely writing down all these ideas for
sure. I got a notebook here right

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next to me. Yes, tell
me about Game Informer's new standalone sub that

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you guys are doing. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean we could certainly

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save plugs for the end if you
want. Are you sure we could just

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do it? Now? Get all
the way all right here, let's get

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out of the way. Game Informat
this is. This does sound maybe odd

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that it's like Game Informer you can
subscribe to Game Andform magazine now, but

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it's it's a thing now. It's
like the first time in my obviously I

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was at Game Informer, or rather
I was not a Game Inform for a

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period of time. I was hanging
out a game spot and doing some other

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things. But I started. I
was there in twenty eleven. I came

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back somewhat recently. My boss,
editor in chief, Matt Miller's been there

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for something like twenty years, and
we were talking about it the other day,

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and in that time, as far
as we can remember, there's never

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been the option to just go to
our website and subscribe to the print magazine.

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That's just not the thing that's never
worked like that. Yeah, it's

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always been in store like you's always
been through game Yeah. God, this

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is so hard for me now,
especially because my resume is game Stop,

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Game Spot. But yeah, you
had to you went to the store to

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subscribe to the magazine. But for
yeah, for the first time, potentially

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ever. I could be wrong about
that. I don't, I might,

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you know, don't quote me on
this necessarily, but like you can go

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to subscription dot game Informer dot com
and for nineteen dollars to ninety one cents,

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which is a reference to the founding
year of the magazine. We've been

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around since nineteen ninety one. You
can get ten issues for the year mail

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to physical issues, which we're really
excited about. You know. It gives

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us this kind of like standalone subscription
things so you can support game and Former

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directly. So we're very excited about
it, and it's why I'm here and

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why I appreciate you letting me come
on to plug it. Yeah, of

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course, Ellia. Yeah, man, I mean Game Informer is like one

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of the last stand ending physical print
things like in the game space. I

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know there's Edge magazine as well.
Yeah, Edge is still out there.

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Yeah, but like a lot.
Yeah, and listen, I love etching

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too, you know what fun after
dark. This is why you can't have

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me on a You can bring on
nice, very nice, clean people like

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Kyle Hilliard onto your podcast, and
I fuck it all up. No,

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a Game Informer is just like a
staple. So I know, there was

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a period of time in which the
subscription the physical magazine was kind of in

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a limbo before you kind of relaunched
with this sort of subscription model, and

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it's like, what is Game Informer
if not the magazine to have? And

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like, yeah, it makes a
special Yeah, it's like that. That's

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it. Just it feels like that
is like a staple of games media,

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whether or not people like still heavily
invest in physical media or physical magazines and

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ship like that. So but yeah, and over the years, like a

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bunch of people that I know and
our friends with work at Game Informer,

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like Alex van Akin is one of
my closest friends in the industry, and

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obviously through him, I have met
Marcus and I podcasted with with y'all.

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And yeah, and Charles shouts out
to fucking Charles Hart, my mother fucking

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boy fan bite legend you know,
I love Charles is amazing. I didn't

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know Charles until I returned and he
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restarted, and I was like,
who is this guy? This guy,

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Yeah, Charles, Charles is different. Yeah, and so, and you

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realize you look at the masthead and
Game Informer is such a small group of

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people, Like what is it like
six people on editorial and like Matt Miller

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at at the top, I see
Brian Shay and tank tops at press events

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and shit, still he's still doing
his thing, all tank top Shay.

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Oh my god. Well, I
was at the Rebirth preview event. It's

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fucking raining outside and I'm chilling in
the lobby of the hotel we're staying at.

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Brian Shay walks by in short shorts
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yeah, I'm in the middle of
work and I just wanted to say,

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what's up to you guys, Like
what the fuck's chilling with us for in

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the lobby for an hour? He's
like, all right, I'm gonna go

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continue my work out. Yeah.
So it's just like small crew is still

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holding it together. It's it's really
amazing that the quality that y'all are still

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able to put out with such a
slim crew, and I know Alex is

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the lone video producer and putting in
the work. Yeah, you know,

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it's a shame, what do Yeah, it's a shame of having a Blake

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is also a really dear friend as
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to Blake Hester, who is a
fantastic writer when he's still out there doing

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it. But yeah, we lost
him recently, which sucked. Yeah,

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but I think that speaks to just
like the talent that still exists. It

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has existed that Game in Former for
such a long So you see that in

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the on the website, and you
get to see that in the print magazine.

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Yep, if you subscribe, great
on every week over here. And

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no, that's I really appreciate that. It's a that's very nice. Thank

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you so much. Yeah, of
course. So and then like I get

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to I get to work with y'all
every now and then on podcasts and see

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all at events. So I know
I'm not I'm not just making ship up.

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Yeah. You always pitch me features
if you want Mike email, Yeah,

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y'all. Oh wow, okay,
I'm going to g I baby.

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All right, Well, there you
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out, so thank you guys for
need I'm full. No, I want

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to hang out and talk video games
with you. Excellent. What have you

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been playing this week? What do
you got? I'm laughing because like I

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haven't really honestly kind of the same
fake ass gamer. I'm so sorry I

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did. I finally beat Prince of
Personal Lost Crown oh great, yeah,

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minutes ago last week for the first
time as well. I kind of I

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like picked it up when it first
came out, kind of had to drop

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it because of a bunch of stuff, and then finally got back around to

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the finish. What'd you think,
like, same yeah, same boat.

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I made it my like I get
I, you know, ride my indoor

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bike for a little while a couple
times a week, and I was like,

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Prince of Persia was my bike riding
game. So I was like I

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was knocking it out like, you
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time, a couple times a week. But I love Prince of Persia so

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much, like I Sands of Time
is like is way up there, like

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it might be in my like top
ten if I if I factor in like

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nostalgia and time and place and like
how much that game affected me at the

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time, and so, like I've
always had a soft spot for the Prince

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of Persia series, and yeah,
Lost Crown was I really loved it.

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Like it was. It was a
lot different obviously than like, you know,

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say A Sands of Time or something
like that, but just probably my

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favorite you know, quote unquote metroid
experience probably since Dread. Yeah. I'm

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trying to think if there's anything else
that like really stuck out in that time,

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but yeah, I was. I
was very happy with it, and

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it was it is one of those
games that where I beat the final boss

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and then went back and started mopping
up things, even though I was like,

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I don't have any reason to do
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I don't even I'm not even getting
in achievements or anything, Okay,

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So like I was like, I
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to keep playing. Oh. So
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with that. Guy, dude,
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I went one hundred percent of it. Some of those challenges, those endgame

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platforming challenges are fucking brutal. That
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oh, it's so satisfying, Like
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Like I think this game feels the
closest to what I loved about Dread,

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which was like the sense of like
speed and energy to it is it's

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a lot faster than your typical metrod
Vino Like like I love the combat and

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Dread like that that game like moves, and this game has a similar kind

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of attitude about it where like some
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like the pacing or everything, like
it's it's I don't want to say,

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like it's not like souls like or
anything, but it's just like I don't

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know, like they're like you're doing
like jungle combos in this game, you

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know, like there's like a depth
to the combat that you don't see as

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much in a Metroidvania that I was
just like completely in love with with this

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game, Like I like I I
I heard it it sold okay, maybe

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like not as well as they wanted
to, but like I really like them

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to make a second one of these, like I mean really good even if

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it didn't like you know, we're
not talking Assassin's Creed numbers or anything obviously,

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but like it for sorry, the
Prince of Persia reputation did not need

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to be repaired necessarily, right.
It's not like people were like, ah,

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that last one was terrible or anything
like that, but like, I

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think what it did for the franchise
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the monetary game. Right. It's
like it's like, Okay, Prince of

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Persia is still important to you,
be soft and they can still do good

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stuff with it, and I hope
that, I, like you, I

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really hope they continue to reintroduce it
to two people, yeah, because it's

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been so long since you've had a
Prince of Persia. Aim, What was

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what was the last one the I
think I think the last one was twenty

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ten, the Forgotten Sans, the
like movie tie in one and ty In.

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It wasn't actually like it was weird, like released it around the time

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of the movie, but it was
like a in between. It was like

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sequel to Sands of Time, prequel
to Warrior Within, missing chapter for How

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He Became Emo. Yeah yeah,
yeah, so like Warrior Within was the

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last one that I remember, and
that was still PS two era. Yeah,

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yes, holy yeah. Forgotten Sands
is like the epitome of like perfectly

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acceptable. It was fine. It's
like, there's nothing wrong with it,

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but you beat it and you're just
like, sure it was a video game.

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Yeah, I love two thousand and
eight, the sort of one.

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Like, I love that game so
much. I am a huge defender of

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Pop two thousand and eight because,
like, dude, the community is like

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real split on that, Like some
people are haters of that game. We

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call those the wrong people. Yeah, those are the correct people, and

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then the right people who right recognize
it for being this beautiful, brilliant game

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with a wonderful ending that I wish
they had never extended with DLC. That's

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a whole topic, completely completely,
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page. Yes, on the same
page here, pretty sure in our line.

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Yeah, man, that that game, that game's rules, and I'm

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there was nice to see it back, not to not to take not to

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derail something, but I did.
I did remember that. There was one

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other game I played this week where
I booted up Suicide Squad because I was

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like, I want to try I
wanted to try Joker. I wanted to

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try Joker, and uh, I
was like, how is this is this?

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Like what is this? Can I
just I beat the game? Can

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I just like, can you just
give me Joker? I've put a lot

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of time in this game. Sure, And like there was like a little

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cut scene that I was like,
it's it was like you know, two

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D comic panels kind of cut scene, and then it like threw a bunch

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of missions at me, and I
was like, all right, this is

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like three or four missions. I
went and did the first one, and

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the difficulty was just insane, and
I died, like for the first time

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in my full playthrough of Suicide Squad. And I was like, well,

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that's a that's a wrap on Suicide
Squad. So you didn't even get the

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Jokers. No. I just closed
it. I was like, that's it.

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That's all I can do. I'm
sorry, damn, because I was

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about to be like, no one
here a game. We're not playing this,

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Like no one, no one,
no one, no one wants to

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do that. So I was like, oh, you can get the opinion

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of someone who's played the Joker.
Can you buy him? I think you

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can. Okay. I was considering
it because, like I, Suicide Squad

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is a weird thing, because I
was like ready to defend that game in

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the first like three or four hours
of it and then it just falls off

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a cliff and I was like,
this is not doing it for me.

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But the best thing about it to
me was like moving around as the different

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characters. I was like, if
you give me a new character to move

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around with, with new like movement
abilities, I'll at least like put my

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hands on the controller and try it. Sure, so I just want to

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see what that's like. But the
fact that they put up like a bunch

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of hurdles to even do that,
I was like, this is this is

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a bad call. Ship Yeah,
well, rip well. I mean sounds

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like the lesson is played Prince of
Persia and skipped out on Suicide Squad.

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If I mean, I feel like
most people who taught about I got the

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hottest takes sound after dark listen.
Prince of Persia pretty good, Suicide Squad

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not so much. No. I
mean like it's Prince of Persia came out

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in January, and when you get
to the end of the year, I

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feel like, you know, it's
one of those things where people sort of

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forget the You got to remind people. You got to remind people that Prince

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of Persia was out there and it
was fire. It is a. It

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is a fire ass game that would
probably make a lot of people's top tens

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if they played. It's stiff year
for sure, but don't invest time in

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Suicide Squad. I feel like most
people have made up their minds about suside.

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No one's all like, maybe I
should get into it now, No,

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yeah, to get into it.
Yeah, yeah, it's never been

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a better time to not get giving
Suicide Squad a second chance? All right,

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Mike Maharty relaxed. I'll make jokes
about that being a Mike Maharty thing.

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Yeah, but everyone does it.
But but also he hasn't made a

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video. I mean, he hasn't
made one of those like like five six

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years, So it's like it's this
joke that like doesn't make sense to anyone.

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Yeah, like five people get it
and no one else does, And

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he's probably gonna be like, why
the fuck is people talking shit about me

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a second chance? Do you mind
explaining it to me? Because I know

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he came around on death Stranding?
Is that the bit or was that something

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he did a game spot for that
he did after well, the just strending

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thing he did after. But there's
just a period where for like I feel

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like a couple of years where Mike
like made a feature that was like giving

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this game second chance, and then
like a video did really well, and

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then for like a brief period he
was like he was given all sorts of

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like he has got hit. So
like, I respect the ship out of

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it for sure, because they're a
good video. Yeah, but it's like

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one of those things it's like,
all right, you'll fall Out for a

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second chance, huh, and then
the video does numbers like fun, I'm

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gonna play Fallout four again? Yeah. No, I genuinely like those kinds

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of videos. Yeah. My favorite
thing as a Death Stranding fan was seeing

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Mike turn around on it and yeah, you get it now, which,

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yeah, there's Mike. Mike was
an Internet game informer for a while,

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so that's yeah, game and former
legend right there. And now he's he's

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working for a local like Minnesota video
game consulting place too. Turns out that's

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a that's Berts's joint too, right. Yeah yeah, wow, all roads

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lead to you know your stuff,
and so yeah people, Yeah I was.

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I was chopping it up with Matt
Berts at Mike Party's wedding and I

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didn't know who he was. I
thought he was just some guy because he

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was like in a suit wearing shades
and we're on the boat going over to

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Red Hook and then I was I
was like, oh, ship, yo,

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what's up? Man? Like I'm
Michael whatever and it's chopping up with

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me and I was like, oh, so what do you do? And

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he's like like I was a game
reformer for a long ass time, Like,

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oh fuck, no, let me
tell you about my homeius Alex fan

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Ake and you know, saying I
know what's so put it, I know

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what's going on with the building and
ship, and yeah, it was a

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It's a lot of fun, man, a lot of a lot of dope

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people coming in and out of a
gi the as subscribed to the magazine nineteen

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ninety one. You know what I'm
saying, Yeah, let's do it.

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You know what I'm saying, So
fuck You know, there's a lot of

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a lot of history there. Shit. You know, well, don't give

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suicide Squad a second chance. No, don't get that's no one needs to

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make that video, yeaheah. I
am curious if someone will make that.

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Someone will make that in a year, right, people could hate watch that

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probably, I mean, yeah,
probably Hey, let's let me do it.

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I need Bunny. It's not look, it's not like completely without merit.

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It's not like this like it it
works sure, like I like swinging

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around as Harley. I just I
don't know. It's just so I'm so

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bummed that that's just where we're at
with the ARCAM universe. Like that's my

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biggest takeaway. It's like seeing if
I'm not gonna spoil anything because I know

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you guys are going to get to
it soon established you guys are gonna play

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it. But like, I just
that was the thing I was. I

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was. I was pretty energized in
the first hour or two, and then

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I remember just watching the end credits
and just being like, ugh, this

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this yeah, it's just like I
hate that one of my literally like some

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of my favorite games ever period,
Like this is where the fiction is now,

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right, And just like you know, rock Stety is such a talented

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group of I'm like, you know, like I want to see those guys

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make like really cool stuff. So
it's it's just a yeah, it's a

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shame. Well I hope well,
I was just saying, I hope w

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B learns their lesson, but I
w b is not the type of Yeah,

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it's not the type of parent company
that seems to learn their lessons,

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I guess. So I hope whatever
they got lined up next is not that.

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So yeah, fingers crossed? Is
that it? So that? That's

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it? It was just suicide Squad. That's all you've been, Michael.

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You'd appreciate that I did because I
played Like a Dragon and and Rebirth back

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to back. Yes, I know. What would be a great thing to

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do after playing those two games is, of course, start Persona three.

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Yeah, let's go, let's go, which is like I live in a

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house with like a Persona fans.
My wife and daughter are both big Persona

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fans. One of our cats is
named Mona, like like a black cat

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with a yellow collar. She's always
gonna have a yellow collar. So,

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like, I know Persona, Like
I'm around Persona in my household. But

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this, this is the first time
I've properly like stepped into a persona and

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like I'm gonna play it. This
is like this is where I start.

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So that's a good one to start
with. Yeah, starting with Peak.

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That's that's amazing. I mean,
that's kind of its reputation. I feel

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like it's like everyone's like I love
five, five is great, I love

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four, But like real the real
fans know that three is like the best.

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You know, It's like, at
least that's a perception I have from

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the outside, the real real fans, Two's the best. Would I would

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love to see a too remake.
I think the two is really special,

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But it's definitely a victim of being
like a PS one era r it was

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still it's a very different kind of
game. Yeah, it's it doesn't have

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this like three is the first.
Like we've talked about this a lot before,

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but like three is the first iteration
of the school calendar system, so

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you can tell that even in reload, you can tell that they're still,

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uh, this is like the first
iteration of them trying this formula. But

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they add so much on top for
reload that it's it like it rounds out

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the whole experience, so it feels
more fully because if you go back and

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play portable or fests, you could
tell that there's just like there's so many

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gaps in the for especially if you
come from five and four golden going back

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to three, you could tell like, Okay, there's a lot of cool

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shit they did in four and five
that just isn't in three. So then

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they with Reload, they kind of
fill in the blanks, fill in the

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gaps there with some legitimately like very
cool stuff, especially if you've played three

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before. There's a lot of sweet
moments that really help compliment the things that

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you already know about them, and
if it's your first time, then you

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feel like you're getting a complete experience
exactly. Yeah, like you'll probably experience

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what like my partner Georgia experience,
where like she playing through Reload, you

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know, didn't play the original version. Are portable, so like when new

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stuff would happen, I'd be like, oh, whoa, this is like

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all new, and she would be
like shocked. How many times I said

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that just like that's new, that's
new, and she's like really like that

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feels like essential and it's just like, man, so yeah, you really

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are getting like the best version of
this game, which is awesome. It

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is the and then and Rebirth is
like the opposite of that, because you're

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like this was they had to put
this, they had to keep this.

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It is. Yeah, it is
really weird how like Rebirth and Reload are

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just the complete opposite approaches to remaking
a game where like Rebirth, so much

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stuff in it, game design,
fuck yeah, and like, yeah,

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so much of it I do like, but at a certain point you're like,

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you need to pump the brakes on
some of the show. Like I

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like some like I like some of
this ship, especially Kosa del Soul.

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I'm like, oh, yeah,
this is this is dope. I like

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being here, but nothing has really
happened in the story in the past ten

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hours. I forgot what we were
doing in this story. And then it

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picks back up and you're like,
oh, okay, cool, we're back

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on track again. But it is
the It is the complete opposite. Where

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Reload is more or less extremely faithful
to the original source material. They didn't

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really change the story rather than just, like I said, filled in the

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gaps, And then you have Rebirth
where it's like we're not only are we

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filling in the gaps, the gaps
are fucking bursting at the seams. Baby

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chokea bowl racing fucking soccer with Red
thirteen Queen's Blood Tournament. Motherfucker. We're

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getting beach outfits and we're playing a
shooting gallery game and then you're spinning rifles

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and whether you want to or not, Yeah, you gotta do it,

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uh that. You know. I
look back more and more people playing Rebirth

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around me, and then like I
keep talking to them about their experience,

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and it is there's almost a consensus
where everyone's like, yeah, this there's

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just like too much shit and also
the fucking ending this is and that like

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it fills me with life every time
someone finishes Rebirth and is on the same

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exact page. I'm gonna have a
slightly controversial opinion. I agree with everyone

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about the too many mini games,
Like you're all correct, I think,

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but for whatever reason, it doesn't
bother me. Yeah, I'm just like

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it just works for me because I'm
like, I'm like playing the game a

408
00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:51.640
second time with my brother. So
we just like play like a couple hours

409
00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:56.599
every Sunday, and like we got
to all like the coast of this ould

410
00:26:56.599 --> 00:26:57.799
stuff again and I was just like, oh man, maybe maybe this time,

411
00:26:57.880 --> 00:27:00.880
like it'll it'll drag for me because
I'm experienced the second time. No,

412
00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:04.279
I was still like it is great. I love it. It didn't

413
00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:07.279
bother me. Don't get me wrong, Like I enjoyed it. It's just

414
00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:14.319
you know, how you ever did
you play the originals. I never did,

415
00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:15.839
so I'm like, or rather I
never finished it, right, like

416
00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:19.039
I played okay bit but yeah,
damn. So it's it's been a weird

417
00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:22.359
experience for me. I think you're
going to ask me to get how far

418
00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:26.599
oh no, no, how far
have you been in Rebirth? Like yeah,

419
00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:33.519
I I literally played like a Dragon, took a suicide squad break and

420
00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:37.240
then and then I played through Rebirth
and then yeah, persona, I really,

421
00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:40.359
I truly was like at the beginning
of this year, like it was

422
00:27:40.359 --> 00:27:41.799
a goal for me. It's like
I want to play those three RPGs,

423
00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:47.319
like I want because like that was
my first like a Dragon proper ship.

424
00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:49.839
Yeah, the hell of a starting
point, I guess. So I started

425
00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:56.000
with guid In right like I played
through Guidence. It worked for me,

426
00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:59.839
I well, and then again,
like I said, I I live in

427
00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:04.400
my again. My wife like like
that's like one of her favorites is seven

428
00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:07.880
Like so like I saw a lot
of that game, so I at least

429
00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:11.160
had like, you know, the
table set for me, and then I

430
00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:15.880
played Guide and and and Okay and
Infinite Wealth. So now I'm a super

431
00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:18.000
fan. I guess you could say, are you going to go back and

432
00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:23.240
going back. He's going to some
of the older ones. I can say

433
00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:27.519
out loud that I will, but
if I'm being honest to myself and listening

434
00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:33.319
into my heart, there's no world
where I go back. Well, I

435
00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:36.480
will say this, and Joe Luke, you'll probably agree with me. At

436
00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:41.599
least give Zero a chance. Yes, Zero is the quintessential Yakasa experience.

437
00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:45.240
So if that's like the only one
that you play from the series, at

438
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:49.559
least you got like the best taste
of the best representation of the Yakaza franchise.

439
00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:55.039
Whether or not you pick it up
from there is like, you know,

440
00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:57.240
I'm not gonna bust your balls or
anything if you don't. But if

441
00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:00.759
you play through Zero, you experience
it, at least you got to say,

442
00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:03.079
hey, you gave it a fair
shot. I saw the best of

443
00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:08.359
the best. So definitely it's like
going back and like at least seeing the

444
00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:12.880
beginning, right like that seems yeah, that seems like feasible, But I

445
00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:18.200
am I also try to recognize when
I you know, my backlog is sure

446
00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:22.079
is the same as just throwing in
stuff in the trash. At this point

447
00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:25.039
in my life, you want to
you want to add seven more games than

448
00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:27.119
that thing. Exactly, Man,
just get rid of the rest and just

449
00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:30.359
put zero in there. That's all
you need. Yeah, exactly, guys,

450
00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:34.079
I got to play more Suicide Squad. I can't be playing joker.

451
00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:48.880
I got a good joker. Uh
ship man. Well, welcome to RPGs

452
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:56.440
man, I mean, I mean
not before this fake gamer over here.

453
00:29:56.519 --> 00:30:00.640
But we're working on it. We're
working on Yeah. So that chronal trigger

454
00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:06.759
just accounted for nothing for me all
those years ago. That's like when you're

455
00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:07.880
applying for like a job in your
career and they're like, well, you

456
00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:14.400
don't really have to put McDonald's on
here, Like that's not whoa whoa.

457
00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:18.480
Do not compare Chrono trigger to McDonald's
by the way, I guess, I

458
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:19.599
guess that is kind of where I
went with that. I love chronal Trigger.

459
00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:22.920
Yeah, oh no, no,
no, yeah, we're all jokes

460
00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:26.000
here, Crown Trigger. Wait were
you was that? Was that? That's

461
00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:29.640
on Jake's backlog? You've played I've
played Okay, No, it was on

462
00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:32.559
Jake's backlog. Yeah, he's the
one who hasn't played it because Jake,

463
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:37.559
Jake like bought a DS copy like
years in right, Yeah, and it's

464
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:41.680
like unopened, and then he found
out it's worth like five hundred dollars or

465
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:44.279
something. So he's like, he's
like, I'm not opening that. Yeah,

466
00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:48.279
that's probably the right call. He's
really basically playing Final Fantasy fourteen,

467
00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:49.400
right, Like, that's he's got
it. He's got to do that?

468
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:52.559
Is that Jake? Oh no,
well no, I must be thinking with

469
00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:56.079
somebody else. Okay, there was
a period of Jake try to play Final

470
00:30:56.119 --> 00:30:57.400
Fans. He got pretty deep in
it, got he got further than me.

471
00:30:57.559 --> 00:31:00.519
I'll be honest. I was fuck
you, Okay, I know.

472
00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:03.880
Yeah, that's my backlog. I'll
eventually get there. Yeah. I replayed

473
00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:08.759
Trigger. It's in mine too.
They played it last year. Yeah,

474
00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:15.400
okay, sure that add another That
was because each expansion is like a full

475
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:18.160
ass game. Yeah, so you
could add seven yakas of games. You

476
00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:22.200
could add five Final Face to fourteen
expansions, or I could play like twenty

477
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:29.599
five suicide squads in that time,
the fuck man Ship six hours. It's

478
00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:34.200
nothing job. No, Uh,
that's what's up man. I replayed Crown

479
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:38.519
Trigger last year, and let me
tell you that game holds the fuck up.

480
00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:42.799
It is it is, it's this
is not a hot take. Everyone

481
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:48.000
everyone says that like crow Trackers literally
like everyone's favorite game of all time,

482
00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:51.640
right, But I was just I
think I've talked about before in the podcast

483
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:56.799
as I was replaying it, but
oh, it is that game is so

484
00:31:56.000 --> 00:32:00.559
close to perfect. I was gonna
say it's people always like say, like,

485
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:02.160
yo, they should do a Chrono
Trigger remake, and like how can

486
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:07.440
you remake literal perfection? Like I
just like I don't even understand, like

487
00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:09.839
why you would want a remake of
it, like a proper port, sure,

488
00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:15.000
like maybe a better port than the
PC one that I think they kind

489
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:16.880
of eventually sort of cleaned up and
then the matters took care of the rest.

490
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:21.559
But like if you play it on
Steam now, you'll you'll be happy

491
00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:23.759
with it. Like yes, like
they updated the fonts and stuff. But

492
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:28.279
I wouldn't say no to like a
two and a half D, you know,

493
00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:31.480
I don't know what we call that
these days. To wash two D,

494
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:37.880
i'd style, yeah, I would. I don't need a rebirth approach,

495
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:45.039
you know, Like I know,
because the visuals like that game still

496
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:47.160
to me. I don't know,
I'm an old man, but that game

497
00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:51.599
still looks great to me. So
like I don't like I don't need it

498
00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:54.119
to. I guess they could like
give it an anime look like, they

499
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:58.480
could really make it look like a
Torianma anime. Yeah, I don't.

500
00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:00.160
I don't think I want that.
I don't think I want that either,

501
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:05.559
because there's a there's a certain mood
to the pixel art that, like the

502
00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:10.319
Crown Trigger is, that game shifts
its moods so drastically every time you like

503
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:17.279
travel to a different time period and
there's like a certain atmosphere that you get

504
00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:22.759
that you can't really this is the
case with like any old RPG. I

505
00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:27.400
feel like, yeah, and this
is sometimes it's a problem where you lose

506
00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:30.160
the spirit of the original thing.
And like Crow Trigger is definitely a game

507
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:35.759
that would probably lose a lot of
its spirit in a modernization of it,

508
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:39.319
and even something like updating the pixel
art or whatever it is still or like

509
00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:43.599
if you did, like a HG
two D version of it, there's a

510
00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:47.880
very specific atmosphere that you have to
strike with it otherwise you lose a lot

511
00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:52.160
of what that game felt like playing. So, man, I don't know,

512
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:57.079
I could. I could talk about
chron Trigger like any day of the

513
00:33:57.119 --> 00:34:02.200
week, because that shit is Man
that shit so incredible. They fucking nailed

514
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:09.840
it so many years ago, but
video games peaked videos from there pretty much.

515
00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:13.559
See If Stars is pretty good though, Oh yeah, you are a

516
00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:15.760
series of Stars. I haven't.
I haven't checked that one out yet.

517
00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:19.280
I know people were I love Stars, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I

518
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:22.239
mean if you, if you,
if you're like kind of like I almost

519
00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:24.079
feel like like I just I bring
it up in the conversation of like,

520
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:28.400
oh what if they remade Chronal Trigger. It's like if you were like Jones

521
00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:31.159
in first Chrono Trigger but want something
new, Like See If Stars is about

522
00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:35.480
as close you get. I feel
like in four you fuck with a chain

523
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:38.960
echoes at all? No, I
didn't. It's one that I downloaded and

524
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:44.679
really thought about because it does seem
like my style of RPG, because I

525
00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:47.039
do. I am not the biggest
RPG guy, right, Like, uh,

526
00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:51.000
I like this, I'm starting Persona
this first time I played Persona,

527
00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:54.039
but like that era really that's where
I found RPGs, right, Like I

528
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:58.920
played earth Bound in Mario RPG like
within a month of each other, and

529
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:01.800
like Final Fantasy is actually when I've
never finished, but like it's really appealing

530
00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:04.800
to me, and I've played a
lot of it, and Chrona Trigger is

531
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:07.599
and Mario already said, Mari RPG, but Crone Trigger is sort of in

532
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:12.920
that pool, so I like that
era of like RPG. But yeah,

533
00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:15.920
Chained and Chained Echoes is like definitely
you know, calling to that. But

534
00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:19.119
yeah, I never I never got
around to it, but it's in my

535
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:22.960
backlog and I'll definitely play it for
sure. Yeah, let's just keep adding

536
00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:35.000
ship to Kyle's backlog, filing right
here in my in my trash can to

537
00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:37.679
be clear, Like those games sound
great and I'm sure I would love them,

538
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:39.519
but I just I try to be
honest with myself about that. It's

539
00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:43.599
like, you know, like let's
commit one way or the other here.

540
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:47.719
Yeah, I've definitely like learned recently
of like I should probably just got to

541
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:51.119
be real. Yeah, I should
start being more realistic about some of the

542
00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:54.320
ship. Yeah, we're not children
anymore. We're grown ass motherfuckers who have

543
00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:59.880
responsibilities in Yeah, I mean honestly, I've I've kind of like I used

544
00:35:59.920 --> 00:36:01.559
to be like super Oh I'm not
used to be. Like I'm still super

545
00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:05.400
passionate about the things that I like
and I love sharing that with other people,

546
00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:07.960
but I'm also a lot more realistic
about when I recommend things to people

547
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:12.239
because I us like, especially with
Yakua's, I used to be like one

548
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:14.480
of the motherfuckers. I would shake
you be like, yo, you're gonna

549
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:19.719
play seven. Now I'm just kind
of like you should play zero, and

550
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:22.960
if not, I don't give a
ship Like Yeah, I'm way more chill

551
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:29.440
now because I understand how time works. On the you hit your thirties,

552
00:36:29.480 --> 00:36:31.199
buddy, you just like, yo, time is crazy. This should be

553
00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:36.760
moving. You got to like cook
dinner and stuff. Yeah, I mean

554
00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:39.239
you you have a family, Kyle, I get it. You got to

555
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:44.039
ask me to do stuff. Yeah, dude, everyone can't just be getting

556
00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:46.320
like, you know, uh a
little hot pockets over at the seven to

557
00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:51.559
eleven and then play akasa all night. That sounds pretty good. I still

558
00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:53.400
kind of do that because that sounds
all right, That sounds like a good

559
00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:55.320
Friday night. I mean, to
be fair, the amount of nights me

560
00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:58.480
and Georgia are just like, yo, what if we just get McDonald's and

561
00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:04.599
just yeah, this that's the thing
for for you particular, is like you

562
00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:08.079
and Georgia play games together, Yes, experience games together. Yes, it's

563
00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:15.320
it's it's it's a blessing and a
curse in the sense that when it's a

564
00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:19.079
game we're both really into, like
a Yakuza, it's like, oh,

565
00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:22.639
it's easy. When it's a game
that's like just I'm into, uh,

566
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:24.800
it's like difficult because it's like I
come home from work and I'm like,

567
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:27.760
well, I want to spend time
with you. I don't want to be

568
00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:30.280
like, hey, what's up and
then just like go to my computer and

569
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:37.280
like put on my headphones and play
you know whatever, Like ye couldn't be

570
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:40.000
me. So yeah, it's like, you know, you want to you

571
00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:43.719
want to play games with your with
your significant other when you can. Do

572
00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:45.079
you have like a two TV setup? Do you guys do that at all?

573
00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:49.440
No. We do have our computers
next to each other though, so

574
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:53.199
we we do do things like,
you know, we play lots of crafting

575
00:37:53.239 --> 00:37:58.920
survival games together. We played All
the Grounded together. Oh yeah, Balder's

576
00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:02.800
Gate three. We we We've been
playing uh Man Balls Skate two though.

577
00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:07.679
That's a good game. Yeah.
We ballys Kate three run. We we

578
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:12.119
did that together co op. She
got Reel into that game a lot.

579
00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:15.320
So yeah, yeah, we we
definitely try and play those games nice together

580
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:21.519
when we can be a family.
Man. Yeah, get everyone involved,

581
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:35.880
especially Brinks breaks. Oh now the
Xbox three sixty on No. Two copies

582
00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:44.280
of the game Brinks. Uh.
I'm impressed you went with that because most

583
00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:49.400
people just think Blinks the time Sweeper's
not the same thing. But letter,

584
00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:54.239
so you get it. You understand
well baby though, so cute. Yeah,

585
00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:58.920
Michael, yo, what have you
been checking out? I've seen the

586
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:05.159
Visions the Visions of Mana. Oh
ay, yeah, yeah, RPGs,

587
00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:07.199
just keep it on that train.
Yeah, yeah, I got to play

588
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:14.639
Visions of Mana at Packs East twenty
twenty four. It is probably the well,

589
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:16.519
no, that's not true. I've
been playing Final Fantasy fourteen still.

590
00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:22.119
But that's like the only new Ish
game that I've actually sunk time into.

591
00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:27.000
And I did the preview for GameSpot
dot com. I think that went up

592
00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:30.559
last week, so it's been a
while since I've had hands on with it,

593
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:35.239
but I did the preview and Tom
chopped up the video version for that.

594
00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:38.880
But uh, Visions of Mana is
a action RPG, and if you've

595
00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:44.159
played Trials of Mana you kind of
know what you're getting into. So this

596
00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:47.000
is like the first Trial I'm sorry
was Trials? Was that the remake remak?

597
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:52.599
Yeah, Beau a remake that came
out in twenty twenty. When was

598
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:55.159
the last original man Oh yeah,
I was just gonna say, it's been

599
00:39:55.239 --> 00:40:00.719
fifteen years and they did that collection
of fuck some of the older ones,

600
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:06.239
I think, including like translating some
that never came to this stage. So

601
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:09.280
like we sort of got a new
one, sure us, but yeah,

602
00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:13.119
you're right, like proper new one. Yeah, proper new Mona game.

603
00:40:13.159 --> 00:40:16.079
This is the first one in fifteen
years, so it's kind of a big

604
00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:21.519
deal for the series because they have
relied on remakes or re releases for quite

605
00:40:21.559 --> 00:40:23.920
a while now, and the Mona
series ever since, I feel like ever

606
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:29.000
since Secret of Mona, which was
like the kind of like the first first

607
00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:32.000
full iteration of the Mana as a
series because it started off as a Final

608
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:37.800
Fantasy spinof so Final Fantasy Adventure was
technically the first Mona game, so it's

609
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:42.360
supposed to be like an action RPG
spinoff for Final Fantasy and then kind of

610
00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:47.679
became its own thing. Sorry,
but in the modern era, Mana has

611
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:52.800
been in a really weird spot,
and I think Trial's Mona was indicative of

612
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:57.239
that because like, yes, this
is a remake of an old game,

613
00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:02.239
but at the same time, it
it felt like a game that was trying

614
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:07.840
to be modern but didn't really fully
understand what makes an action RPG good way.

615
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:10.960
And I don't want to like hate
on it, because like it was

616
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:15.039
a decent game, but you can
tell that just like there's something sticky about

617
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:20.239
how this game works, and there's
just like quality of life features that other

618
00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:23.360
action RPGs have done for many,
many years that just weren't present in that

619
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:28.360
game. And it's kind of like
it was a bummer that, yeah,

620
00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:31.440
you don't want, Like Mana is
not like the biggest franchise, but in

621
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:36.199
a fully realized modern version of it, you're like, ah, they're kind

622
00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:39.199
of missing the mark on this one. So I didn't really like Trials Amana

623
00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:43.480
all that much, even though I
respect the hell out of it. Vision's

624
00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:46.239
Mana is they get to kind of
rebuild from the ground up because it is

625
00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:52.880
a completely new game, but there's
still some of that some of that stickiness

626
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:55.840
that has come over from from Trials. I feel like they're using a lot

627
00:41:55.880 --> 00:42:00.960
of the same foundation, okay,
which is I want to see what it

628
00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:04.920
feels like in a full game,
but from the demo that I played,

629
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:08.360
I could tell like, Okay,
there's still there's still some it's rough around

630
00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:12.719
the edges, especially with the targeting
system, and since it's an action RPG,

631
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:15.760
and you're like, you're in a
combat arena when you're fighting these motherfuckers

632
00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:20.119
and shit, and then the lock
on you lock onto an enemy, but

633
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:22.840
the camera doesn't lock onto the enemy, and then so they're like darting around

634
00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:27.960
the combat arena. But I can't
move the camera because if I use it,

635
00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:30.039
if I move the right stick,
it changes what I'm locked onto.

636
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:35.039
So the camera doesn't fucking move.
And I'm like, yo, y'all got

637
00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:38.719
oh my god, this is the
worst shit. But everything else around it

638
00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:43.679
is genuinely fascinating. I think the
art style is really well done. It

639
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:46.679
looks gorgeous. Yeah, I love
the way it looks. It's not technically

640
00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:51.280
impressive, but the art style is
it's like the color pop like it's so

641
00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:54.239
vibrant. Yeah, it looks so
vibrant. And because this is a fully

642
00:42:55.199 --> 00:43:00.280
realized or a fully new game,
they have massive open regions in the similar

643
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:05.079
vein of Rebirth, whether it's like
broken its regions whatever. But like the

644
00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:08.320
background art is like so expand it
looks expansive. It reminds me of Zeno

645
00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:12.679
Blae Chronicles three in the sense that
like you get a sense of scale from

646
00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:15.559
this world and it just it looks
it looks beautiful. So I'm like,

647
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:17.800
oh, yeah, hell yeah,
this is this is you know, they're

648
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:21.960
they're working with something here. And
then like the individual dungeons, the way

649
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:24.519
elements work in the monasteries, like
elemental affinities are just kind of like a

650
00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:29.320
big deal to there. And like
the way you there's so many different classes,

651
00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:34.199
and depending on which each character equips, like they equip elements, they

652
00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:37.800
get a completely different class than from
another another character. So if they equip

653
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:42.760
the same elemental thing they get,
they play completely differently. So there's a

654
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:45.960
lot of flexibility that I can see, like a lot of potential in the

655
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:51.400
flexibility and how the class system works
with this game, and I think that's

656
00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:53.880
fascinating, So I want to dig
more into that when the full game comes

657
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:57.920
out. And the way you explore
that world too. They do a lot

658
00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:00.559
of interesting things with the elemental affinities
and how you manipulate the environment, how

659
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:02.880
you move around the environment. So
it's just not like a dungeon you like,

660
00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:05.719
you run through, you fight a
bunch of enemies, and then boom,

661
00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:08.199
there's a boss. So there's they
tease a little bit in that in

662
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:10.239
the demo where I'm like, Okay, cool, I can get to this

663
00:44:10.280 --> 00:44:15.199
spot by doing using this element and
doing all kinds of interesting things there.

664
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:17.639
But it was a pretty sure demo
is like thirty minutes in total, and

665
00:44:17.960 --> 00:44:22.000
you know, you can only gain
so much from experiencing a full art like

666
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:24.559
an RPG in thirty minutes. Like
fuck, dude, this is gonna be

667
00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:29.119
like, ah yeah, forty fifty
hour game, so there's only so much

668
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:31.320
you can get out of it.
But I am keeping my eye on it.

669
00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:36.519
I do want to give it a
fair shake because uh, you know,

670
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:40.800
I you know mana is. It's
just it's one of those series that

671
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:44.239
have like escaped me, so I
I want to give it a give it

672
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:49.880
a full, full chance to see
what they're cooking up. So it's one

673
00:44:51.320 --> 00:44:54.039
when you fight in that game,
are you just running up to a monster

674
00:44:54.159 --> 00:44:58.320
on the open world or is it
like you touch a monster and then you're

675
00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:02.039
taken to a separate arena. No, it's just the all the monsters are

676
00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:07.719
like are on the field and then
once you engage with them, it just

677
00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:10.119
creates like a circular combat are you
know, around that enemy. So there's

678
00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:15.519
a little transitions, there's no like
it is like Final Fantasy sixteen was a

679
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:19.760
little like that right where it just
sort of lok to off sort of Dragon

680
00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:24.239
Quest the elevens kind of like that. I correct. Yeah, so it's

681
00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:28.840
it's like that you're not you're not
like loading into a separate instance. The

682
00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:31.800
thing with yeah, action RPGs like
the Tail series has never quite clicked with

683
00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:35.760
me because there is that like line
that gets drawn, or at least the

684
00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:37.039
ones that I have played, where
it's like, all right, time to

685
00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:40.639
fight, let's start the fight,
where it's like it's like I would at

686
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:45.119
this stage in sort of game development
and the technology available to us, I

687
00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:47.400
really do just want to run up
and hit something with a sword without having

688
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:51.079
to think too, without having to
like see a screen, you know,

689
00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:54.920
a transition. Yeah, So it
sounds like I just I need I want

690
00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:59.800
like a good fast pace to action
RPG combat. You know, I absolutely

691
00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:02.400
want to be stuck down at all. So it sounds like that's going forward

692
00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:05.920
at least like you yeah, just
sort of engage in fights right away,

693
00:46:05.960 --> 00:46:08.639
which is nice. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, it's it's it's one

694
00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:13.599
of those so if you played,
I mean, I think I feel like

695
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:17.199
they've from remake and rebirth, I
have kind of like set the tone in

696
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:22.400
terms of like templatizing how to do
an action RPG correctly or not correctly.

697
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:27.039
But like that's a that's a framework
in which squennx can like work off for

698
00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:31.239
other games, and it it seems
to like work really well for like sixteen,

699
00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:35.599
and it seems like Visions of manas
taking a lot of lessons from that

700
00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:38.880
as well. So yeah, just
like small things though, just like the

701
00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:45.559
flow of the actual action and the
target targeting system. Please I hope that

702
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:49.440
they figure this out before a launch. It's coming out in the summer,

703
00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:53.760
so a little bit of time,
yeah, Because yeah, it's a it's

704
00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:58.360
got a dragon girl with a Southern
accent. Okay, it's got a fox

705
00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:02.119
boy with like a like a posh
English accent, and then you got anime

706
00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:07.079
sword boy, who's your typical anime
sword boy, you know what I'm saying.

707
00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:09.880
So you know, I'm interested in
the dragon ladies to be honest.

708
00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:14.559
Yeah, you know I had I
had the great the Great snake Lady versus

709
00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:20.519
catgirl debate, wow in years past. But how about we add dragon girls

710
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:22.480
to that? You know what I'm
saying, dragon girls, bunny girls.

711
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:25.239
There's so many all bunny girls.
Yeah, yeah, that's that's a foregone

712
00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:29.559
conclusion. There's also there the elf
girl. So you know, girl,

713
00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:32.320
this competition, yo, we got
we got start, we got tier list,

714
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:36.039
this ship. You know what I'm
saying, turns out there all s

715
00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:44.480
t here. Yeah and yes and
yeah, that is Vision Zamana. Dude,

716
00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:45.800
does he have a release date?
I was, I can google it.

717
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:49.199
I thought, don't put you on
the spot because I think it just

718
00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:52.760
says it's like summer. Yeah,
I don't think I've confirmed a release date

719
00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:57.559
yet, but yeah, look twenty
summer twenty twenty four, between quarter two

720
00:47:57.679 --> 00:48:00.800
and three, and so I don't
know what that means. That's just I'm

721
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:05.960
not a lot of those words are
made up. So the seasonal court out

722
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:09.760
of it, who knows. Yeah, so that'll come out when it comes

723
00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:13.000
out. But that's that's a that's
a this year joint. Man. I've

724
00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:15.960
been playing too many RPGs, man, I had to skip out on Dragon's

725
00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:21.360
Dogma two, and I still haven't
finished Unicorn Overlord. I would like to

726
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:23.280
play in a Corner Overlord. There's
no way. I don't have the time.

727
00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:28.559
I want to play more Dragons Dogma. I haven't had time to play

728
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:30.920
any of that this week, so
like I've been like I got to get

729
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:34.639
back to that. Like I'm having
a moment with Dragon's Dogma where like I'm

730
00:48:35.199 --> 00:48:38.199
questioning my taste because like I bounced
off of it and I'm like, am

731
00:48:38.239 --> 00:48:42.360
I wrong? Like it's like how
I feel about it. Yeah, it's

732
00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:45.519
like because like so many people who
are just like, this is the greatest

733
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:47.800
thing that's ever happened to video games, and I and I just I don't

734
00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:51.280
know. I it wasn't clicking with
me, and I gave it a real

735
00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:52.719
shot. I get at least I
feel like I gave it a real shot.

736
00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:57.199
I played it like six hours or
something like that. I bought a

737
00:48:57.280 --> 00:49:00.679
house, you know, I'm a
I'm a homeowner in that, but uh,

738
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:04.719
I don't know, just I just
it's a little too aimless for me,

739
00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:07.679
which is what people seem to like
about it, is like how aimless

740
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:08.119
it is. But I think I
was. I don't know, it just

741
00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:12.400
wasn't quite clicking for me. Yeah, it's it seems like one of those

742
00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:15.320
games that is either going to be
your favorite shit or you're gonna not give

743
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:20.639
a fuck. So that's what I
love about it. Yeah, that just

744
00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:24.239
makes it feel so like it's not
trying to be a people pleaser necessarily.

745
00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:28.599
It's like, this is what our
game is. If you don't fucking like

746
00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:31.119
it, eat my ass. Yeah, eat my ass, go play Suicide

747
00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:37.440
Squad, and I respect the hell
of it. I'm glad that like games

748
00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:39.800
like this still exists too. Absolutely, yeah, oh absolutely, yeah.

749
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:45.760
Yeah. Just sometimes guy's got to
tell me where to go, I'll do

750
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:49.519
the thing, you know what I'm
saying. Yeah, I think a pond

751
00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:52.519
system is fucking cool though, And
like some of the ship that I've seen,

752
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:54.119
I was like watching someone play it
because I'm like, Okay, I

753
00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:58.119
don't have time to do it myself, but I like to watch someone else

754
00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:01.440
play. There's crazy shit that happens
in like the back half of that game.

755
00:50:01.800 --> 00:50:05.199
It's just like you need to get
to that stuff. Yeah, like

756
00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:08.440
just bold moves for like, oh, I don't expect the game to do

757
00:50:08.559 --> 00:50:10.360
this, but then they do it, and like, yo, that's that's

758
00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:15.480
crazy, that's wild. I know
some Majora's Mask type ship and just well

759
00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:22.119
now you're now you've said the worst. Maybe let me pull it out of

760
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:27.760
the backlog trash can I mean,
I guess I have not installed it.

761
00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:32.000
Yeah, Like the it's like dragon'szog
but one kind of does a similar thing

762
00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:36.719
though, And like Major Mass,
I always point to it as like the

763
00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:40.480
quintessential aimless game or the game you
have to figure out what the fuck to

764
00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:45.000
do, yeah, in it,
And just the way cycles work in that

765
00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:46.960
game is like really bold, man, And like, I don't think Nintendo

766
00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:52.000
would ever do something like that again. And they they they they evolve in

767
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:57.199
different directions in different ways. But
man, I still got a lot of

768
00:50:57.239 --> 00:51:00.880
love for Majorita his mask, and
I feel like watching with Zogwa Twus Marcus

769
00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:05.159
Stewart over at Game and Former,
I've been watching him. We've been streaming

770
00:51:05.199 --> 00:51:07.199
it on our channel, so I've
been I've been getting to watch him play

771
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:10.840
it for the first time, which
has been fun. Like he's Zelda fan

772
00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:15.039
but he'd never played Major's Mask.
Yeah, and then I'm like a super

773
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:17.360
fan who played it right when it
came out, played the remake on three

774
00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:22.119
ds and everything, so it's it's
been fun to kind of watch somebody see

775
00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:27.159
what is so weird about that game, Like like you go into that game,

776
00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:30.119
like, I know, this one's
weird, but what you forget like

777
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:34.440
how weird it is, and it's
it's fun to see like structurally, yeah,

778
00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:37.000
it's weird, but just like the
overall tone of that game is oh

779
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:40.400
yeah, I mean like there's like
there's the Rings of Grass that were an

780
00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:44.360
operama of time that you would just
you could like hit and get rupees and

781
00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:46.440
stuff. And like in Majora's Mask, the first one you see you walk

782
00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:50.039
up to it, you cut grass, and all the grass starts like it

783
00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:53.960
comes to life and starts like like
walking away, and it's like stuff like

784
00:51:54.039 --> 00:51:58.800
that where you're like this is so
weird. It's just like it feels so

785
00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:01.760
extream, like yeah, it's a
fever dream for sure. Yeah, it's

786
00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:06.199
like I love about it. Yeah, there's like a surrealist element to majors

787
00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:10.880
Mask that is fucking wild. And
I would like have watched many a video

788
00:52:12.039 --> 00:52:15.920
essay about Majora's Mask and every time
she's like yeah, dog, like I

789
00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:20.800
wish more people like tried ship like
this, because yeah, you probably won't

790
00:52:20.800 --> 00:52:24.039
see Nintendo do that kind of thing
again. But what nintend should do They

791
00:52:24.039 --> 00:52:28.800
should give Majora's Mask a second chance. Oh my god, get the funk

792
00:52:28.840 --> 00:52:30.400
out of here, all right,
Well, I mean they should put it

793
00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:34.800
on Switch. I mean honestly,
so that that's how they just bring that

794
00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:38.920
version over. Oh my god.
Oh that and the because the Opera of

795
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:45.599
Time three D is like legitimately the
best version. I would probably make that

796
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:49.360
argument for Majors Mask as well,
because they like there's like little things like

797
00:52:49.400 --> 00:52:52.039
they moved the location of the bank
so it's like easier to make a deposit

798
00:52:53.679 --> 00:52:58.280
version, and it's like that's such
a smart little change. Yeah. I

799
00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:00.159
don't know if anyone's asked Nintendo to
do this, but they should bring those

800
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:04.159
games to Switch. Just putting it
out there. Yeah, I don't think

801
00:53:04.159 --> 00:53:07.039
anyone's asking. I don't think they
know. Oh you guys want this?

802
00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:12.559
Should we bring Twilight Princess as well? I mean we could throw that in

803
00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:16.119
there too, it's just sitting there, take a second. We just didn't

804
00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:21.840
know. I think you just right
click to file and export to Switch.

805
00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:23.599
I think it's very easy. I
don't know anything about it, but you

806
00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:30.840
just changed the dot exc to you
know, like switch. Yeah, export

807
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:34.239
is done. Ye come on there
you go. Oh my god, it's

808
00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:37.239
it's like the Drake Lil Yachty gift
with their like the computer at the best

809
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:43.920
Buy or whatever, like, oh, that's crazy. I didn't know that.

810
00:53:44.159 --> 00:53:49.519
Yeah. Yeah, I would love
to just see more DS games come

811
00:53:49.599 --> 00:53:52.679
to come to Switch. I know
it's not easy to fully part over those

812
00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:57.840
things, but give us. They
gave us the Entry and Odyssey first trilogy.

813
00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:01.039
Give us persona cue, give us
que to okay, give us mask,

814
00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:06.159
give it the three link between worlds, you know, between the worlds

815
00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:09.519
world game spots. Game of the
Year twenty thirteen. True, Yeah,

816
00:54:09.800 --> 00:54:13.559
you guys are you guys are smart. Yeah, that's why that happened.

817
00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:19.480
Yeah. Here, I was not
here with games, but uh, you

818
00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:21.880
know they were. They were cooking
back. That is. That is one

819
00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:24.000
thing I was bummed about with my
tenure at Game Spot is I was in

820
00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:28.800
a perfect little zone where I was
not able to participate in any Game of

821
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:31.880
the Year discussion. It's like,
it would have been nice to see how

822
00:54:31.960 --> 00:54:36.719
you guys do it once, you
know, Yeah, because I have no

823
00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:39.079
idea. I don't know, you
guys made the right call that the year

824
00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:42.559
I was aara z elden Ring and
I was like, yeah, sure,

825
00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:49.280
correct, it was probably a very
easy year. Yeah, that was pretty

826
00:54:49.360 --> 00:54:52.440
unanimous. Yeah, that was like, okay, we have certain years that

827
00:54:52.519 --> 00:54:54.599
we're just like we're not even gonna
like argue this. We all know what

828
00:54:54.679 --> 00:54:57.960
the deal is. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, that was I mean

829
00:54:58.039 --> 00:55:00.320
to be fair game and former.
That's what it was for l and Ring

830
00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:02.440
as well. Everyone elt in ring
number one, yes, yes, okay,

831
00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:06.280
now let's figure out the rest.
Everything else is like that's the more

832
00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:09.440
interesting yeah right, yeah, yeah, it's when you get into like the

833
00:55:09.559 --> 00:55:14.280
nines and ten, the little the
tense. We don't rank them anymore nine

834
00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:16.320
to ten, but like trying to
get in those little like spots, you

835
00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:20.760
know, that's where the real it's
for the real interesting debates that the audience

836
00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:22.639
never gets to hear about. We
probably it's like we should record that.

837
00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:27.320
We also probably shouldn't record that,
Like you know, it's just like a

838
00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:31.360
level of inside baseball. They don't
really need to get behind people don't really

839
00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:36.320
we talk about it in like after
the fact, of course, sure,

840
00:55:36.519 --> 00:55:39.519
sure, Like the way in which
I maybe don't want to hear it raw.

841
00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:44.360
I know, and well listen,
I love it raw, but uh,

842
00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:49.719
listen on that Octopath Traveler to the
Great Debate that wasn't even a debate,

843
00:55:49.800 --> 00:55:53.039
man, I just fucking came in. I said, this is fucking

844
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:57.199
fire ship I've ever played in my
life. Y'all, don't listen to me.

845
00:55:57.360 --> 00:56:04.079
I'm out of here. Yeah I
believe it. Yeah, I had

846
00:56:04.119 --> 00:56:09.320
already my contract had already expired,
so that threat was empty. But that

847
00:56:09.559 --> 00:56:16.039
was I love. I love doing
it like that. So yeah, well,

848
00:56:16.920 --> 00:56:20.719
what do you think that's gonna have
to be a podcast this week?

849
00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:22.840
Unersonately? Yeah, sorry, I
got to cut a little early this week

850
00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:25.519
because I gotta take care of some
stuff. I'll say the game I played

851
00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:30.599
for next time, Grinder, I'll
just say, yeah, you should go

852
00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:35.079
play. That's pretty good, solid, it's a it's a solid, cute

853
00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:39.559
little game, not too long.
It's a good Devolver Devolver asked Evolver.

854
00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:44.000
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
You know, it keeps it keeps it

855
00:56:44.119 --> 00:56:45.800
moving. It's got some it's got
some energy, some charm into it.

856
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:50.519
The last Baust was a little little
rough, but it was good. It

857
00:56:50.599 --> 00:56:52.400
was a good game. But yeah, I can talk about that more next

858
00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:57.159
week. Thank you Kyle so much
for coming on. It's thanks for having

859
00:56:57.239 --> 00:57:00.760
me absolute pleasure. I'm gonna I'm
gonna demand my way on again in the

860
00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:04.480
future because that's how I went on
this time. My messaged he I was

861
00:57:04.519 --> 00:57:06.840
like, hey, can I come
on? Yeah? No, and then

862
00:57:06.920 --> 00:57:08.719
you know what, like I will
not say no. Yeah many weeks to

863
00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:13.559
be clear, also many weeks,
Jean Luke could use an extra all right

864
00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:16.079
voice. I struggle to get people
to show up on this fucking podcast.

865
00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:21.079
But you texted me. You're like, yo, can to show up to

866
00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:25.239
the podcast? Say less up there? So no, but I appreciated.

867
00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:29.880
Everyone's just busy, but yeah no, thank you for being on. Yeah

868
00:57:29.960 --> 00:57:32.280
no, it's fun cool. And
then Michael, thanks for being on as

869
00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:37.159
always. Of course I love coming
through, taking y'all snacks and ship awesome.

870
00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:40.719
Well, thank you everyone for tuning
in. As we said at the

871
00:57:40.760 --> 00:57:46.280
top, if you want to go
check out Game Informers new standalone sub you

872
00:57:46.360 --> 00:57:52.000
can go get that. Four was
at nineteen oh one, No one but

873
00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:59.800
ninety one because it's it's a reference
to when Game Informers started. We didn't

874
00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:06.199
in nineteen oh one that crazy covering
chest and shit like you guys, you

875
00:58:06.280 --> 00:58:09.440
guys are gonna love this thing called
video games in seventy years, like you're

876
00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:14.559
gonna be over the moon for it. It's gonna be good. But yeah,

877
00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:15.400
no, thank you, thank you
for thank you for letting me come

878
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:19.159
on. Thanks for plugging it again, and we'll show the new issue.

879
00:58:19.639 --> 00:58:22.480
We will reveal the new issue on
this Tuesday, depending on when you listen

880
00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:25.920
to it and if you could cover
reveal. Yeah, and if you subscribe

881
00:58:27.199 --> 00:58:30.480
like now or in the coming days, you will get that issue in the

882
00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:35.760
mail that we reveal on Tuesday.
Yeah, awesome. I subscribe, so

883
00:58:35.800 --> 00:58:37.880
I'm actually gonna get that in the
mail. It's exciting. I've got a

884
00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:42.480
video game magazine and the mail it
so it'll be cool. Thanks again,

885
00:58:43.039 --> 00:58:45.360
Kyle, Thanks again, Michael,
Thanks again everyone for listening, and we'll

886
00:58:45.400 --> 00:59:13.000
see you all next time. Peace. Then dam thing da