Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. Hey, Hi,
welcome to Destiny. Hope you're okay today, doing well. This is
a podcast on a personal note and it is discussing reiki. Reiki is a
healing technique that I learned back in I want to say nineteen eighty four,
could have been nineteen eighty five. My then partner who eventually would become my
wife and I were enthralled by the idea of transmitting energy out of our hands,
and we had heard about a sui. This Japanese he's not really a
priest. He's more like an explorer who studied theology, religion and was a
Buddhist and he discovered this technique. He was born in the late eighteen hundreds,
and he discovered this technique in his pilgrimage to learn more about ancient healing
techniques. And it seems when you read about him that he was also seeking
wellness techniques for the physical body. And he was the founder and he passed
it on to his students, and their students passed it onto a woman named
Takata, who brought it to the United States, where it was disseminated in
the nineteen eighties throughout the whole world, and to this day it's still a
phenomenon. When it first started to be understood and used, people pooh pooed
it as some kind of a fake healing technique. But when you actually have
a trained riiky practitioner work on you, you feel the energy. You feel
either heat, some people feel tingling. And you know, it's funny because
there's stories of people getting their first treatment laying on a massage table getting a
treatment, and you just the practitioner just laying their hands in a certain pattern.
There's not a massage, there's no nudity at all. You're fully clothed
when you're getting a treatment. Some people feel kind of a light tingling,
others feel heat, great heat, Others feel sensation more than just the hands
on the body. And this is what makes y Ricky so unique, is
this subtlety of its distribution in the body. As a practitioner, I was
it was wonderful because it calms the body, it's healing. And we were
working in a clinic, My girlfriend at the time and I were working in
a clinic with other people and we would have and this clinic was in the
San Francisco Bay area. This clinic, we saw people with degenerative diseases like
rheumatoid arthritis. We worked with people. At that time, AIDS was a
big illness and we would work with people on with various stages of illness to
help them feel better. And in some case we actually work with people with
cancers. I think I mentioned to generative diseases, which are ms and arthritis.
We saw pretty much everything, and I have to say to a person,
I saw and actually felt that the person or the person conveyed to me
that they were feeling or getting benefits feeling better. And this is what's so
amazing about raiki is it actually has some form of intelligence. We were trained
and taught. It's part of a universal life force energy. But my guest
today is the president of the International Raiki Center, and he will give us
an update on the true language because he by the way, my guest is
William Rand who's the president of the International Raiki Alliance. He actually went to
Japan and as well here today had some writings of a sue the founder of
raiki, transcribed into English, and he actually discovered a tremendous amount of new
data that I didn't know about. So part of this interview today is a
bit of a bit of an eye opener. But over the last a few
decades, reiki has come into its own as a powerful energetic healing technique or
a wellness technique, and it's very easy to learn. There's no extensive class
work. You take it within two days, and a lot of it sounds
very out of this world when the teacher basically says to you that you're gonna
you're a channel for this universal energy and that through a series of a tune,
the teacher opens you to receiving this energy. Well, it sounds very
strange for a lot of people, and if you're an academic, you would
pooh pooh it. Most doctors say, well, this is bs except that
I trained numerous nurses physical therapists. It's noted as a really great tool for
anyone who works with those who are physical therapy, but more towards just a
general wellness if you were if you're in the well in this industry, the
doctors that are open minded about it, that receive the energy and attunements to
become practitioners. Ones I've talked to swear by it and I've used it for
everything from upset stomachs to muscle pain. I'm dealing with it with a problematic
shoulder right now, and I mean whenever I sit down I put my hand
on my shoulder. I think I had to get an X ray. But
I think I may have pulled something in my shoulder. I'm not sure,
but it's it's a problem. I can't lift my arm. Well, I
can, but it's just my range of motion has been diminished. And so
this reiki really makes things feel much much better. So the program today is
the history of reiki. It's it being brought to the Americas or in specifically
the United States, how it works, and it's roots. And this is
very important when I say roots, because as you'll hear from William, my
guest, the thinking is that this is a technique that has been known for
thousands and thousands of years, and it's part of being human, part of
the human condition. We're just now beginning to understand that we are surrounded with
energy and this energy is called auras, and there's multiple levels of auras,
and that's outside of the body, and then within the body there are these
energy centers known as chakras and it's like, well, it's so fuzzy and
warm. But you know what, the Hindus have known about this and the
change. I've known about this for thousands of years. We have journals,
we have documents that they understood it, they tracked it, and just because
you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there. One of the fascinating things
about our interview today is the lack of scanning technology when it comes to understanding
the body's energy fields. This is the future of medicine is working with frequencies,
working with healing, energy to heal, rather than medicate with drugs or
open a person up with surgical procedures, or if they have a degenerative condition
or a mass of a tumor or something to irradiate the body. That is
asked backwards that God, I don't even know how the hell they do that.
I don't know, I don't know. It's just it seems so asked
backwards. And I think that's becoming more prevalent, more problematic for those in
the medical community to recommend unnecessary surgeries and drugs to mask a problem. Energy
healing goes right at the issue. And I will say this about Raiki it
does have some strange intelligence. And what that means is, as a practitioner,
you're taught how to place your hands in certain patterns on the body,
and although those are fundamental patterns, energy will go to the area that needs
it the most. And what that means is one of the first patterns is
right over the rib cage where the major organs are. And I've had people
go, hey, I fill this in my head. Well, my hands
are not on the person's head, heard down below on the gut, and
so that tells you there's some you know, the energy is going to these
areas. So raki's fascinating. It really is. It's true energy medicine.
I would love to find a codis or a Scriptu says it was used by
the Summarians or the ancient Chinese. There's a there's a link to the Chinese
in some of the early research, and the Chinese has something similar to raiki.
So it might turn out that raiki is one of many healing modalities that
are applied with human touch. So fascinating topics to disguise. This interview is
a little bit longer because obviously this is something that I'm passionate about. And
you know the thing is, once you're attuned to the energy, you're opened
to it. You're receiving it constantly. You can't. It never goes away.
It's part of you. I think it's a benefit. And by the
way, there's kind of two levels to Ricky. There's the physical hands on
and then there is a series of symbols that were discovered ancient symbols. When
you use these symbols, one of them is good for increasing the flow of
energy, which I think it means opening you as the channel is what my
guests would be. But the second symbols that the sue the founder uses is
ancient and it helps you do what they call distant treatments. You can work
on somebody who's simplace house in the world, on a different planet, a
different universe, which it sounds weird, but it's true. So a lot
of this is going to stretch your imagination quite a bit, but the foundations
of it are great. Most cities have practitioners that you can look up on
Google or whatever search engines you use, and if you're curious about raiki,
go in and have a treatment. You know, it might be seventy five,
might be fifty a lot of these holistic fairs have people that are raiky
practitioners that are willing to give your treatment. Check it out, see how
it feels, and then I always recommend people to go in for an introductory
class. So just another tool that you can use for yourself, for your
loved ones. And I gotta say this, it's wonderful for animals. I've
had a number of cats over the years and they love Raiki. In fact,
they help jump up over here, love and go okay, let's do
it, dad, I need the treatment. So this is gonna be fun.
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com. I've been a practitioner of reiki for over thirty years, and it's
funny because I have used it in my life. I've used it in my
relations At one point, my ex wife and I had a business here in
San Francisco called Redwood Well Bean Center where we were training people. She after
we divorced, she continued that I think she's still doing it now she's in
northern California. But all through the years, I you know, we train
people. But now that I have a podcast, I want to talk about
it. And I'm really fortunate to have William Rand, who is the president
of the International Center for Reiki Training, to be with us today to talk
a little bit about the history of reiki, what akee is, and why
are there's such an interest in energy healing. Now, years ago, when
I was a program director for Whole Life Expo, we would have people come
and talk about raiki and I think it's it comes and goes in terms of
its interests. I think it researches and it blows, and like anything else
that's dynamic, there's high points and low points. I can't think of anything
really negative to speak about it because I've been using it. I think it's
wonderful. It's a self healing technique. It's also great for healing and working
with others, including animals. But today we're going to drill down a little
bit and I want you, my listeners, to understand the interest of what
Ricky's about, but also the actual application. So William, welcome to Destiny.
Great to have you on the program. Thank you, Yeah, thanks
for inviting me. Sure, yeah out here. Talk a little bit about
yourself. You have been the president it in of the International Center for Ricky
Training since nineteen ninety one, and in that time, you know, you've
probably trained thousands of people. But talk a little bit about why you decided
to form an organization. Yeah. Well, im my background is that I
gained an interest in personal development right after high school. And then I was
a Rosa Crucian and I was into that for five years or something, and
then I thought, you know, at first, like a lot of people
that joined organization, oh we know everything. This is the only thing I
need to know. And I started thinking, well, you know, maybe
I could learn a little more if I even picked up a little bit more
from some other group. I just expand my knowledge. So I started studying
custom gold concept therapy that uses hypnosis to put positive concepts in your mind to
heal and improve that your life and so forth. And then I became a
profession from astrologer. I did that for ten years. I developed my own
type of astrology chart. And I was also involved with past life reggression therapy,
so I did I you know, I became a hypnotherapist. And but
then past life aggression uses hypnosis, so that was like a natural to ease
you know, lead into that, and um I did TUREAU used to row
cards and um I worked. Actually one big thing is I work with a
cahuna, which is the Hawaiian shaman. Oh yeah, yeah, I didn't.
What didn't just take his classes? I actually worked with him. Uh
do it? You know doing healing and different projects for about a year,
and so I got firsthand knowledge about what cahunas do. And there's a lot
of things that shamans teach to the general public, but they don't teach everything.
But because I worked with him, I learned all the things going on
in the background. And then I was also involved with wika and um quite
a broad range of different types of healing. And so you're you're a metaphysician,
definitely, you know somebody who's a secret yeah, yeah, and then
um, after a while, I thought, you know, I know all
these different things, and I realized, though, if I specialize in one
and become known as an expert in one field, I felt I would do
a lot better. And so that's what I did, and I chose raiki.
So in UM eighty nine March of Adam, became rickey master and then
I gradually, uh moved into just doing raiky, teaching racky classes who trained
you in raiki. My first teacher was Bethel Fay. She had learned from
Takadah. She's a dik descendant of Takata Okay well in lineage, yes,
and then um I got I met Beth Gray. I don't maybe I got
a little trained from her. But then, um, Harry Coboy also was
a master trained by Takata, some training with him, and then um,
let's see, oh, just quite a few different teachers that I work with.
And because I wanted to get a broad spectrum of understanding and knowledge,
and of course, um the takana didn't have a textbook and she had a
little uh fear, usually didn't allow anyone to take notes or you know what's
so funny you mentioned that. I remember Beth saying, you're not supposed to
take notes. I'm like, what the heck is that all about? Yeah?
Yeah, I had the same question about it, like why you know,
what is this? Uh? Why wouldn't you want to know everything?
Remember it? And so when I started teaching, I did the opposite.
I let people take notes. Yeah, we created a book. Eventually.
What happened was I was teaching the way that you were supposed to, you
know, oral tradition, no notes, no nothing, I think writing.
And I found out that you know, some of my I said, are
you guys still practicing? And they said, well, you know, I
couldn't remember exactly how to do it. And so we weren't. We haven't
really practiced. So I felt, wait a minute, Uh, you know,
I can I can break this rule and provide let them take notes and
do this in writing, you know, have about my own workbook, or
I could let my students be ignorant never practice. So I thought, I'm
going to go with door number two, and so I quote broke the rule
and I wrote the best workbook I could and put every everything into it,
nothing held back, and let people take notes. And I checked in later
said oh yeah, of course we got our notes, we got our workbook.
We're still practicing. So I was very happy about that. And then
later on I've discovered that that wasn't actually a rule, and that Takata made
that up herself, and that a Sui and Hayashi all had workbooks and this
is a kind of in fact, had a workbook from Hayashi, her teacher.
And yet she said that raki was an earld tradition. Sook An talk
about a little bit about her peculiar nature, because she did a lot of
strange things in her bringing the tradition of raki to the United States. Let's
go back a little bit. William Ricky was brought or discovered by Michael A.
Sui, And the story goes that, you know, he was searching
for techniques and so such, and you know, he was studying theology Buddhism.
He got a PhD in theology from the University of Chicago. He was
born in eighteen sixty five, and he seemed to be the funny thing about
it. I was just looking at my nose. He was raised as a
samurai, which I didn't know that until I didn't. Yeah, I'm not
sure about that. Well that's what That's what it says in Wikipedia, and
also says in another journal I found this morning as I was doing some notes
on I didn't know that it's possible, but I would say, what's that
based on There's been a lot of information about raiki and its origin and everything,
and yeah, I never heard that before. This is the first time
I ever heard that he was raised as a samurai. And talk about what
you know then, So I mean that, I mean he was born,
you know, the late eighteen hundreds, and he looks like he to me,
he's traveling the world seeking knowledge. Well, he was born in the
early eighteen hundreds, and he got his ability to do Raiki. I'm Mount
Karama in eighteen excuse me, let me rephrase that. Yeah, he receives
his ability in the early nineteen hundreds. So yeah, I think you're right
where you're saying he was born in the late eighteen hundreds. That's probably true.
But he never did go to the University of Chicago, and that's it's
not true. So you know, that's there's two things that I you know,
when I first became a master, I thought, hey, you know,
I'm close to Chicago here in Detroit and school there. Boy, there's
a must could be a treasure trove of information about Raiki. And so I
wrote them a letter and talked about macauas Sue, and they were quite interested
in what I was saying. And they said that they took some time and
went through all of their archives and records, and they assured me that they
have a record of every single person that got even one credit hour from the
university, and so they're quite certain about their records. And they said they
had there's no one by that name that ever took out even a single credit
hour. And I thought own because I thought I was about to, you
know, uncover all this information about him. But they said he never went
to the University Chicago. So then the other other part of that was he
was supposed to have been the president of Doshisha University, which is a Christian
university in Japan. So I thought, ah, but at least he was
president of Dooshesia University. So then I contacted them and they said the same
thing. They said that they did respect my request, and they very carefully
looked through all of their records and they said there had never been anyone by
that name that was president. And then I got a list of all the
presidents and the dates that they were president, and there are no gaps and
there's no one by that name that was the president of Dooshesha. So I
go what happened? And I thought, maybe to kind of made stuff up,
and maybe it's maybe I should stop teaching. And I thought, well,
you know, the energy works, and so that's valid. And so
what I'm going to do is keep studying and looking for facts about the history
and just see what I find. And so over time then we did uncover
an accurate history. Talk a little bit about what we know of what you
found, because you know, it's funny that you're talking about this now.
A few years ago, I think your institution began promoting this new book that
you can get on it's your workbook. I think you can get on Amazon
that might have this new research on it. So talk a little bit about
this important man, because you know, I remember the story of him discovering
raiki, but it also talks about an understanding that there's kind of an energy
healing that had been known for two thousand years. I mean, I don't
know if that's valid or not. So why don't you give us the story
of this man. Yeah, McCalla Suey is far from my research is.
Basically, he was born in Japan, Japanese, and he as he grew
up, I think he probably for it was from not a really wealthy family,
but they were fairly life would say, i'd call it upper middle class
maybe something like that. So he had extra funds and so he was very
curious about life, and he traveled around Japan. Also they say he went
to China, and also they say he went to Europe and he had lots
of different jobs, and he learned how many different trades, and with every
trade he noticed that there was a purpose to each one and then he began
wondering, well, what about life? Does life have a purpose? And
he started asking around. He was told, well, Zazen meditation is where
you learn the purpose of life. And so he was accepted into a school,
a Buddhist school of zen meditation, and he meditated faithfully for three years
and nothing happened. He didn't learn the purpose of life. And what he
was looking for is something called Ansen ditsume Hansen didsume, and so Hansen ditsume
is enlightenment in which you become enlightened, but also you discover you're shown your
life purpose and furthermore, you're empowered to achieve it. So it's not like
you have this difficult thing to do. It's like suddenly you have the confidence,
the energy and the pathway to follow to achieve it. So that's what
he was looking for, and so he didn't get it doing his eyes and
meditation, at least not with the monastery. And so he asked his teacher,
well, is there more that I can do because I still haven't gotten
anything from this, and the team said, yes, you can meditate on
a sacred mountain. So it was Mount Karama. So he went there and
he went up to the near the top, and there was a spring where
there's some fresh water, but there was no food. So he fasted and
meditated for twenty two days, and he had set out these stones in front
of him, and at the end of each day he would toss a stone
away to keep back at a time, and he kept going and gradually,
though without eating, he got weaker and weaker, and at the last day
he tossed the last on the way he stood up, and to that point
nothing happened. But suddenly when he stood up, this light came down through
the top of his head, filled his whole body with tremendous energy, and
he was so weak though he passed out, fell down on the ground unconscious.
In the morning, then he woke up, he stood up, and
now he was much different. Now he was filled with a tremendous energy and
power. And he said to himself, the universes in me, and I
am in the universe. And so like he knew something very profound. It
happened, and he wanted to tell his teacher. So he goes running down
the mountain, and on Mount Karama there are a lot of exposed roots that
just the water flowing down and exposed these roots. So he stumbles on this
route and now at this point he's still he doesn't know that he's a healer.
But he hits his foot on this root and ben breaks his tonil back,
and of course it's it's painful, so he goes, Oh, he
puts his hand over the toe, just like anyone would do, and suddenly
this energy starts flowing down his arms into the toe and it spontaneously heals the
toe nail, and he gets the knowledge that this is his purpose to be
a healer. Yeah. Yeah, So then he walks down more slowly.
He goes all the way back to Tokyo, and then he begins working with
poor people and people who are sick and injured and so forth, healing them.
And at first he didn't have a formal method of he didn't have an
attunement. So he had his powerful experience on the mountain where he received this
special healing energy. And then he went to Tokyo and he was healing people
and he did start to train them, but he didn't have the attunement.
So what he would do is he would have the students take your hands and
pull them like this. Then he would put his hands over the top of
their hands and give their hands reeking. Interesting, Yeah, that was this
early, that's what you're saying. This not wasn't actually an attunment at that
point, but it was an attempt to train his students. Now this has
come from Deis Sense Hiroshi. Deis sense is a Japanese Ricky master, and
I had a good fortune of meeting him, and then actually I interviewed him
several times and then he opened up and I translated his book into English,
and so he was very grateful for that, and so he would answer any
question I would have. Now he's being Japanese, of course he has an
advantage to us, you know, English speaking people. And so also he
was asked to be a member of the issue Reiki Ryoho dot COI. Now
that's the organization that is who he had started, and they're still around even
now. He became a member and he had access to their artimes and also
access to the older teachers and members, and he could ask them lots of
questions and so his knowledge of raki expanded. And then he was doing his
own research as well. And you found the notes that one of the Suey's
students had taken and then that added to his knowledge, and in those notes
had said something very interesting. It said that the most Suey said in his
training, the most important thing for a riki practitioner to do is to continually
seek to develop the quality and quantity of raki energy they're able to channel.
Now, this was a new idea because basically raki was taught and I learned
too that well, you got level one, that's what you got. You
can't make it any stronger. But if you want to do that, you'd
take level too. Then it does get stronger, but you can't make level
to any stronger. And the same with master. But what the notes said
from someone that sell you with the Suey was that no, you're supposed to
try and make it stronger and improve the energy. And so you know,
that was a turning point. So Doyce since a uncovered disinformation and he you
know, he's written a book and he now has another book and we're working
to see if we can translate that to English. Also, I didn't know
this, so William, I'm gonna have to find Let's go to your website
and buy these books. Talk a little bit about what a sue he called
the universal life force energy. That's how he named this. How does he
explain the human vehicle becoming a channel for the energy. Well, first of
all, that's missus Dakata's interpretation universal life force energy. But what we know
about reiki is reiki is what you might call universal life energy, but it's
guided by a higher power. As an example, in shamanism, the healing
method pretty much all over the planet is to build up your own life energy
through breathing and meditation, and then you guide it and give it to the
person you want to heal, and so you use your own energy to help
them, and then you guide it with your own mind. And so the
beauty of reiki is you're not using your own energy, you're channeling a new
energy. It's a higher frequency than normal life energy that people have. It
comes from a universal supply, so your energy is never depleted, and it's
also guided, has its own wisdom and knows what's going on with the person.
It kind of like reads the person's aura and knows about their path and
knows exactly what they need and formulates the right frequencies of healing that they're just
right for that individual. So the reeki energy has its own wisdom and knowledge,
guides itself, and comes from a universal supply. So those are two
things that are not usually part of the shamanic type of healing which I've studied.
Also, so when I heard about it, I thought, if that's
true, then it's got to be something really special. So then I went
ahead and took the training and learned because I wondered, is it really true?
And so I always like to experience things to know, you know,
see that they actually are real. And so when I received my training from
Bethel Fay that was a nineteen eighteen eighty one, then I thought, yeah,
which she says, it's true. This is powerful, and I had
some amazing experiences during the attenment. And also it validated, you know,
when they did the healing that it was actually stronger than the energy you learned
from the Rosa Crucians and also from the kahuna that I worked with. It
was more powerful than that, and also it guided itself so much higher frequency.
So let me let me just stopped you for a minute in your research
on Sue's clinic I'm going to call it in Japan and his students and this
one student who wrote a book on his work. There's Sue or anyone in
his clinic, trace this energetic healing to bet to a civilization, to a
people who are using this energy, because it seems like it is a possible
technique that's been known about. Oh. Absolutely, healing has been around,
I would say since the beginning of time or something else. It's ancient,
ancient, ecient. And you know, people naturally have, like children,
understand healing. It's just part of their nature. And so native peoples all
over the world have a knowledge of that as well because they pay attention to
their feelings, the energies and so forth. So it's been around for a
long time now. In Japan, there already was a practice called riki riojo
prior to a Sue developing his style. So a Sui didn't invent or come
up with this idea of reiki. It was already in use in Japan.
And so there was a man in Modiji Kawakami, and he developed a style
in nineteen thirteen and he called it reiki riyoho and it was a hands on
healing. But he didn't have an attunement, and so to get the energy
you would have to meditate like this. You take your hands and put them
on top of your hands like this, and sit there and meditate on your
hands and receive an energy from above. But for hours and hours and hours
you'd have to sit there, and at first you get a little bit of
energy, but over time, gradually it would get stronger. So this already
was being practiced in Japan prior to a Sui developing his style, and in
fact, a Sui called his style a sui reiki riojo. Right, So
it's we don't know for certain, but it sounds to me like maybe he
knew about reiki bojo and he said, well, this is my style,
sue riki rio That makes sense. It's kind of like a dojo's different schools
of healing. So talk real quickly, and then I want to get into
the actual process of the reiki treatment. I want to also talk about Takata
and in her legacy. But when someone is attuned, if Suey had this
knowledge and it was enlightened and given this energy and he's passing it on,
what do we know about the attunement itself so that others can begin using it.
Well, what happened was he first he got the energy, and that
was his first spiritual experience on the mountain, So probably in March April nineteen
twenty two, that's when that happened. And then he was practicing like as
I was saying, he had this method of just giving reiki to the person's
hands, but it was very slow. Right then, in nineteen twenty three,
there was what's called the Great Kanto earthquake and tsunami, and many people
died, many people's homes collapsed, they were injured and sick and so forth.
So Sue he needed to he needed a lot more healing. So that's
when he meditated, and now he was enlightened. He had what's called ansendsime.
So when an enlightened person meditates, you know something happened. So he
asked for a method of quickening the training process, and that's when he was
given a new energy where he could just pass this energy on directly to his
students, and so the energy of a tunement or what's called laidu in Japanese.
And so he would do it at first by touching the shoulders and suddenly
the student just has the new energy or the hands or even the hips,
and it was just a touch but then it came time for him to train
other teachers, and that's when you develop the ritual method of doing the attunement
where you stand behind and say some prayers and touch the shoulders and around the
front hand end and tapping the hands and breathing and all that. Then he
developed that ritual so that it was easier for his students to um to teach,
and the ritual real quickly. The ritual opens the person's oric field or
what did you suspect happens the person? Because you're basically saying something that I
hadn't thought about before. Sue became someone of an avatar if if not you
know, a holy man, and was able to transmit the opening channel that
allowed the energy to be used by his students. So what would you say?
So the technique he used is something that he thought about, I guess,
or maybe was provided in some kind of into intuitive notion on how to
transmit the energy so that it wasn't just used once. The person who received
this became a practitioner, yes, and teacher. From my understanding, when
A Sue developed this, he developed it in such a way that his students
received everything that A Sioue had, so he duplicated himself in his students.
Interesting and that also another very fascinating thing is that when a sue had his
experience on the mountain, he became enlightened. And then when he trained his
other students, and when he trained what's called shimpy Din, which his master,
they also became enlightened. So his students became enlightened. Then when those
students trained their students and they trained teachers, their students became enlightened. But
then when a soue died, that feature disappeared, and so it was dependent
upon a sue being physically alive and present on the planet for that to happen,
and so then the enlightenment part went away, and then they just just
had the healing. And so although I would say people get it some a
little bit of enlightenment anyway with the attunants, but that disappeared, and so
then they continued to teach like that, and the shimpy Din, or master
level for the Gaki in Japan became honorary and there was no additional energy that
was transmitted in the master level, but it was the people who were like
worthy and loyal to Raiki and so forth and they were conferred and known as
shimpy Din but there was no new energy. So when a SUEI was around,
this amazing enlightenment happened, and then after he passed it went away.
So that was quite interesting when I found that out. Also, now,
of course I'm saying I got this from Deis sense and he's extraordinary. He's
still allowed even um just some a few weeks ago in Japan, and um
there was a conference there. But um, yeah, that's basically some some
interesting facts about the history of Ricky. So let's give a real basic overview
of the of the actual technique. So a sue must have been indoctrinated somewhere
on how to apply the technique to somebody who's laying on the table, on
a bed or whatever, and then so talk about that. So this is
not holding your hands away from the body. It's touching the body with the
with the hands. So give us an idea what a Ricky treatment is.
Well, the full triable is actually developed by Takata, so um she had
um she developed what she called the standard treatment. But what she did,
though her her standard tree was just hand placements around the abdomen and around the
head. That was it, and so but what she was, what she
learned would be called bios and scanning, and so that's where you actually use
the sensitivity in your hand to determine where the person needs reiki and then you
treat those spots. But in addition, she developed the standard treatment the abdomen
in the head. Now since that time, though, people have developed have
expanded on those hand placements to do more like a complete like using the knees
and also the feet as well, So around the head the abdomen and then
the knees and feet. So now it was expanded just by adding those additional
hand placements. So riggy is done by the way a Suey did a light
touch and there's no pressure, there's no manipulation of tissue at all, and
it's purely just an energy that comes from the hands and goes into the person.
It will treat where the hands are placed, but sometimes it will actually
travel through the body's energy system so that it treats other areas as well.
So it's kind of a smart energy that directs itself, so the practitioner does
not direct it with their mind. Yeah, the energy directs itself. So
the practitioner stays out and let's the energy just flow and do its own thing.
And then the energy also guides the practitioner and where the best places are
to place the hands as well. So do you and your technique, do
you provide a fundamental placement? And when you teach somebody like like Takata's the
gut area. And then I learned when we did the clinic with Beth Grays
that we turn people over and make sure that we did it the adrenals because
those are always stressed out on people above the kidneys. Yeah, we have
our workbook and their hand positions that we show how to do starting in the
head and then down and around the heart and the abdomen and the hips and
the knees and the feet, and then there are back positions as well.
We're gonna take a short commercial break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves and
then we'll be right back with William Rand discussing the raiky technique. I guess
today is William Ran. He is the president of the International Center for Reiki
Training, and we're talking about the history, the application and uses for reiki.
So a suwe trained a group of masters in Urio Hayashi was one of
them, and he developed a clinic. He was an MD, which was
interesting, well not we found he wasn't quite an MD. Okay in the
military. Uh, he had some medical training, but not all the way
to MD. So oh, that's interesting refinement on hennology. Yeah. So
but he did have clinic, a clinic, right, Yeah, he had
a clinic yea. And so he uh, healed and work with a lot.
I shouldn't use the term. Hell, we don't use that term.
Uh. He assisted people with various health issues and I what would you say,
talk a little bit about his work. Yeah, he had a clinic.
Now he did have like a meal background, not an MD, but
he did have a systematic way of practicing healing or you know, self improvement,
whatever you want go on. And so then he applied that to develop
his own style, and he kept accurate records of every single person that came
to the clinic and the hand positions that worked for the different illnesses and conditions
that they worked with. And so out of that they developed what he called
the standard you know, the hand placements. But they were first very specific
conditions and there were a lot of them. So then when Takata learned it,
I think that what she was thinking was, you know, teach all
of these hand positions. It was complicated. So she created the standard treatment,
which was around the head and the abdomen to make it very simple when
she was teaching. Okay, So we're gonna get to Takata in a minute.
But Hayashi primarily was in Japan. He didn't train outside of Japan,
did he not? That I know? No? Okay, Now, the
one thing I want you to talk a little bit about is the diagnostic abilities
of reiki. And I'm curious if this is something that came out of Hayashi's
clinic and if he wrote about how to you know, tell everybody, and
this is something we should talk a little bit about. When you have a
reiki in a tunement to receive the energy and begin working with it, some
people feel heat in their hand when they apply it on the body. Some
people feel tingling, some people may feel something unusual. But this sensation,
well, when you're putting your hands on some on someone, an animal or
a human, will increase and then decrease depending on the absorption of the energy
in the organ or in the body. Talk a little bit about what you
discovered in the diagnostic abilities of reiki. Yeah, it's quite interesting because I,
like I say, I learned healing from the Kahuna and he did do
a diagnostic sort of with the hands, and so I actually borrowed that and
he added it to reiki. Prior to learning that there was a formal method.
Now, a man named our Java heater I was married to a woman
named Chetni Kobayashi who was new Japanese national citizen and spoke fluent Japanese and knew
a lot of the original people in the Ghakai, which was the organization that
he had started, and so she introduced our Java to them, and then
from that he learned about healing. And so he uncovered a lot of interesting
techniques that Takada me have alluded to but didn't formally teach. And so one
of them was called josin scan and the bosen bio means places where the person
needs raiky there's something not quite right there, and send his place so place
that needs raiky And so then he learned how to do this, and then
so he I learned from him this formal method called biosin scanning, where you
stop start the head above the crown, and you put all of your awareness
in the palm and I'm doing it on myself, but you would do it
on another person. And then you slowly come down the front and anywhere you
feel a change in the surface of your palm, that's where the person needs
raiki, and so then you stop. Then you find the right distance above
them and you place your hands there, both hands over the person, and
then you will treat that that area and then you rescan it to see how
you're doing. And what usually happens is the hand gets closer and closer to
the body until finally it's touching, and then there's a feeling like that's complete,
and then you go down and find an other spot. So that's called
bison scanning. And you can do a whole treatment with just biosen and treat
all the places where you're guided to get reiki. Yeah, that's great,
Thank you for that. UM. I want to talk briefly about the various
conditions. Now. Because of the FDA and various rules in the in America
and probably in other parts of the world, you're not allowed to say it
heals anything as a practitioner. Uh, we just say we can. You
know, we assist various health conditions. But when I was working in uh
in Woodside, California with doctor Reverend Beth Gray, she had a clinic and
we worked with people with cancer. At that time's AIDS was was a big
deal. We had people come in with AIDS and various degenerative diseases and even
you know flu and so talk a little bit about its ability to promote wellness.
Well, we know that the body already has an immune system that keeps
the body healthy, and I believe one of the ways we could understand RAKI
is to see that the immune system is enhanced by the ranky energy and then
it expands its ability to heal the body and gives it a higher level of
awareness and so forth. And that's one of the ways we can explain how
RAKI works. That the person's own immune system and healing processes are like supercharged,
you know, they can do a much higher level and then they go
ahead and do the healing. So that's one of the ways that I think
Rayki has explained. Another way is to say that there is a higher there
are higher dimensions of consciousness, and some feel that the material world is being
manifested from these higher dimensions, and that reiki works on these higher dimensions where
which is more of the origin of any sort of illness or a problem,
and then heals them. And then the result is then that the physical body
is healed. So there is the concept of reiki energy. And you mentioned
the word entry energy before, and it's like reiki energy that. Of course,
it hasn't been detected as far as I know in my research, there's
no instrument that actually can detect reiki. Yeah. I was going to ask
you if they have done some scans on somebody before or after a reiki treatment
and they were able to see that the energies were you know, I mean,
I don't think we have a technology that can measure that right now,
That's what we were looking for. So we went to the Script's Institute in
Lahoyo, California. They have what's called a superconducting quantum interference device, which
is it's actually a super cooled electromagnet that can det really really weak electromagnetic fields.
And we thought, ah, reiki might be electromagnetism, and so we
went there. We did a lot of work, but we couldn't we weren't
able to They weren't able to use their instrument to discover reky. You know,
like when we turned our reky on, they couldn't sense it, that
nothing happened with their instruments. So we had to let go of that idea
that it's electromagnetic and it's some other type of energy apparently. So um,
yeah, it's it's very mysterious. One of my theories or ideas is that
it is actually a different new energy that science has not yet discovered, and
that someday they will and so that's a little controversial, but that's what I
feel. But don't you think that, William, don't you think that this
is a technique that earlier people may have discovered in using called it a different
name, because it seems to me that it is innate in our as a
as a human physical being, that this is one of the gifts that were
given to be human and it must have been around by other names earlier.
Oh certainly. Yeah, I think that what happened is in ancient times it
was noted that some individuals had a natural ability as healers, and then they
could do this kind of work. And in fact, there is research that
shows. In China, they developed they had different tribes that would some of
them were friendly, but a lot of them had warfare with each other,
and they developed that developed into the martial arts, and that martial arts they
developed the idea of key and then they developed ways of enhancing it and they
also as a side benefit, they could do healing with it and so um,
that's one school sets that healing. This type of healing energy, the
awareness of it came through martial arts, and then there were some schools that
focus more on just the healing. And in Chinese, the kanji for reiki
is pronounced as ling chi and so um, and that goes back to at
least sixteen hundred BC. The use of that term leaking fascinating. Yeah,
yeah, as the same as the kanji for reiki so um. So yeah,
there's an interesting history around that, and then it went from China.
The use of that kanji went was in China first, and then in around
four hundred BC it got to Korea and four hundred and eighty it got to
Japan. So in Japan that's when they first started using the kanji for reiki
around four so it kind of had a path of migration. I guess you'd
say, okay, So Hayashi has his clinic in Walks an unwell woman one
of his patients, and that her name was Kwaio Takata, who I believe
you tell the story of her. What was her condition when she came in
well, she had gone prior to that to a regular medical clinic, and
she had asthma, she had a pendicitis and she had an ulcer, and
so they were going to operate and imagine maybe on the pendicitis, and a
voice spoke to her and said, you do not need this operation. But
she wasn't psychic, and so this was so strange, which about the room
and then yeah, she didn't know what it was. And it spoke again
very clearly, and she asked, the doctor, is a way I got?
The way I can be healed without an operation? He says, oh,
yes, he knew. Doctor Hayashi said you can go to doctor Hayashi's
clinic. He can heal you without an operation. So she went there,
not knowing that it was a spiritual healing, think it was going to be
a regular operation. She was on a table, there were two practitioners.
They had their hands on her she could feel heat and vibration, and she
just thought there must be some equipment involved with this or something because it was
so strong. And then she noticed there wasn't any equipment anywhere, and then
she starts she had the kimodo sleeves. The practitioners, ah, there must
be batteries, so she starts grabbing the sleeves. Where is the equipment?
Where is it? And then Hyashi walks in, kind of laughing and explains
to her this is a spiritual healing. There's no equipment, and she just
that's fascinating to her, but it was working, so she continued and then
she was completely healed of her conditions. Do you know how many visits to
the clinic she had to take to be completely free of her problems? Well,
I don't know the number, but it was four months. Oh so
she had a pretty chronic problem. Yeah, it took four months of continuous
treatments and she was healed. And then also I'm not sure when she began
her training, but she did learn what's called shojin, which is level one
and ohuden level two, and she learned part of the shimpijin and so in
Japan, fascinating okay So. Takada is unique for Americans because she was a
Hawaiian Japanese woman born on Hawaii. Once she was trained as one of the
masters by Hayashi, she came to the United States and began teaching and ultimately
trained twenty two. She initiated twenty two people. What do we know about
about Takada? Why was she unique? Yeah, well, what happened was
she uh, I actually didn't get her full mastership until she went to Hawaii
and then coerced or got got how I actually to come to Hawaii and then
give, you know, go around teaching. Then she got her full mastership
after that. But what was fortunate or unfortunate, I don't know. You
look at it different ways, but she did this before World War two broke
out, and then after that then what happened is of course Japanese, the
Japanese loss, the US took over and they declared that anything that had to
do with healing had to have a license. And so then the Gaki which
was the organization is who he started, decided they didn't want to have anything
to do with licensing, so they became a secret organization and Raki disappeared from
Japan. This is after the war, after World War two. Yeah,
they forty six, nineteen forty six, Yeah, like that time. But
Takada had already learned it and got out of Japan before that, So then
she became the only openly practicing teacher and practitioner in the world, and so
she got it out. Now, if that had not happened, most likely
it never would have gotten out. It would have probably remained secret the whole
time. But because Sakai was practicing like that, then she made a few
visits back to Japan and it became known about Raiki and so forth, but
the Ghakai remained secret for some time. Yeah. I think we should also
mention that Yashi was so upset about the war that he committed suicide because he
didn't want to be drafted. Well, yeah, something like that. What
happened was that he did have some military training and he went to Hawaii and
was you know, we're here with Takada and training, doing classes. So
it came back to Japan and then the Japanese are planning to attack Pearl Harbor
and they're saying, oh, Hayashi, tell us where are the good targets,
Where are the warehouses. Where can we kill them? Oh my god,
Yeah, Yashi says, I'm sorry, but I cannot tell you because
I was just in Hawaii. I healed, I was healing these people.
I love them. I cannot share this information and help you kill them.
So then he lost face, which means that he became some like blackballed,
where no one would speak to him, and that was for him and his
whole family. And so the only thing that would save him his honor was
ritual suicide. So there's a certain thing in Japan at that time where if
you lost your honor, you could die an honorable person by committing this special
type of suicide, which he did, and in the eyes of the Japanese
that was honorable. There was nothing wrong with it. In fact, that
was the right thing to do. So he did the ritual suicide and died.
I was always amazed at that story. Yeah, that is unfortunate.
But then Takata went back for the funeral that this is Hyashi, and then
they started talking about Raiki and then organized that Takana would teach in Hawaii and
this is Hayashi would teach in Japan. So um, they you know,
that's how things got going after Hayashi passed on, and Hyashi comes to the
United States and begins teaching and also training masters. Those masters were spreading out
through the rest of the world, and that's pretty much. Well, Hyashi
is responsible for training a few people, but mainly it was Takata that trained
the master. I meant to say, Takata excuse me, Yeah, that
Takata's came to the United States and yeah, and so that's how it spread,
right, that's right. So she learned around. She went to Japan
thirty six, became a master in thirty eight, and then she began teaching
and practicing, but she only taught up to level two until nineteen seventy.
Yeah, and then in between nineteen seventy and nineteen eighty she taught the twenty
two masters. And very interestingly, a man named Robert Houston was a member
of the the raiky Alliance and he interviewed all the masters that were still living
at Takata Train. What he found was, up until the middle of seventy
five, none of them had the master's symbol, and after the middle of
seventy five, all of them had a master symbol. So from that we
know also that Assui and Hayashi didn't have use a master symbol. They only
had three symbols, which were the level two symbols, and then the master
symbol appeared around the middle of seventy five. So although there's no record and
kind of didn't mention anything, we know from the wreck, you know the
looking at doctor, you know the time period that she added the master symbol
around the middle of seventy five. Okay, now I want to bring that
up now. So Ricky isn't really it's three parts. There's level one,
level two, and then there's the master level. We talked about Level one,
which is simply being attuned and you can you can treat yourself, you
can treat somebody else, and that also includes animals. Um Level two is
unique because this is where we're getting into distant healing and you're using a proxy
in your in your your healing with the symbology. And talk a little bit
about this. And by the way, way, William does a sue present
his students with these symbols in the very beginning or do they come later?
Well, yeah, that's a good question because I just went to a Ricky
conference in Japan and got to meet some of the you know, very serious
researchers, many of them you know, fluent in Japanese. And what they
are saying is that a sue only had the distant symbol. That's all distant
symbol. And then it was afterwards the gaki, the organizations he started where
the two um the choko rean sayy were added by them. That's what they're
saying. And one of them, Justin Stein, is coming out with a
book in September where he's going to explain the origin of this information. And
he did some very intense research around the practice of reiki. And so that's
something that was new to me that I didn't understand. I didn't know about
it. It's so amazing that this is coming up. So what happens in
level two is you don't have to have somebody in front of you. You
can take a you have a photograph of them, and you close your eyes,
and this is part level two. You imagine them, you bring them
in to a to your presence. We were not going to get into the
details about that. And then you use this amazing symbology. And I want
you to talk a little bit about what the symbology does to my thinking William.
It brings in the energy of the person, their essence and then allows
you to work reiki treatment in your presence. Yeah, so the distance symbol
is what allows that, and it's like forms of bridge between you and the
person. So it transcends time and space, right, So it allows you
to send raky to a person anywhere on the planet in theory, they could
be an orbit or on another planet or another part of the universe in theory,
so you could send you know, if you think there's aliens somewhere out
there, you could send the raki. But I don't know if anyone really
does that. But so yeah, the distance symbol transcends time and space,
so you can go actually anyone anywhere in the world. Or you can also
go into the future and set up a treatment for some event that you know
is going to take place in the future, and you go into the past
to something that happened in accident or someone unfortunate event in the past and send
it to the past as well. So the distance symbol can do that.
And then we've got the other symbol choke array that increases the strength of the
rake and then to say haiki, which is we're used for emotional healing.
So um, so again, he may have already explained this to me.
Did was this transmuted or transmission to a sue on the hill on the mountain
or was this a transmission to him as he began to receive more of this
energy? And obviously, and this is what's so amazing about raiki is this
distant healing is brilliant and it seems ancient to me. And to use this
symbol is fascinating because who cares about a symbol? But no, there's something
about our reality that takes the energy of that symbol and it activates energetic energetics.
Right, yeah, talk about talk about what you could feel on that
one. Yeah. Well, actually, in shamanism, after years of training,
a healer does gain the ability to send reiki well healing at a distance,
but they have to meditate in a more or less rise up and consciousness
to a much higher level and then they can do that, but it takes
years of training. But with reiki, you get level two, you're given
the symbol, you can do it immediately right in class you can start doing
it. So I think that's the beauty of reiki is that it's like an
instant initiation and you actually receive or are your energy field is enhanced to be
able to do reiki first of all, and then to send it at a
distance or to increase the strength or to treat the emotional issues. So the
symbols there bless you with this ability without having to take years of training to
acquire the ability. Yeah, so it's a it's a yeah. It cut
to the chase on us to speak talk world quickly as our time is getting
or short in our time. About self healing by giving a treatment, I've
always been told that you receive the energy as well as transit transmitting it to
the recipient. Yeah, there is some healing that takes place for the practitioners.
So while you're giving a treatment, you yourself also feel better. So
it's quite an incentive that you know, to give it. Someone wants riki
go sure, because you yourself feel better when you're actually giving reiki, So
instead of you using your own energy and feeling weaker, actually you feel better
when you give reiki. So that's it shows that it's operating at a much
higher level. Do you think this is one of these gifts to humanity that
is recovered by a sui and that there are some new levels that are yet
to be found. What do you say? I think so that the some
of the research I've done is that he did go to China prior to discovering
reiki, and that in China they did have what I was saying was lying
chi, which is a type of reiki, and they also had tibet we're
called empowerments, which are like attunements. And so this is a hypothesis that
we don't know for sure, but he may have encountered some of this in
his travels and that may have given the idea of using that for reiki,
because he introduced this in September of nineteen twenty three. That's when he introduced
the symbols and the attunement, and so prior to that he didn't have that.
So there was progressive. He had one experience on the mountain and he
got the energy, and then there was what's called the Great count earthquake and
tsunami, and there was a lot of need for healing, much greater needs.
So he said a prayer asking for help in training. So he got
the symbols, he got the ability to do attunements. At that time,
so he had two experiences and of this enlightening energy coming in to give him
these abilities. Fantastic, William, It's been a real pleasure of speaking with
you. This has been fun. How can people learn about reiki? Give
him? Give us your website and anything you want to present on training.
Sure. Yeah. The website is a very simple reiki dot org. So
r ei ki dot org. Let's our website. Go there. We've got
a thousand web pages and we show all about reiki and the history and everything.
And to learn it, it requires you to take a class. Can
now it's being taught online or in person, and so it'd be like a
two day class for the basic beginning class and a three day class to become
a teacher. We require people to practice for six months or more before they
go to the teacher level. That we also have manuals workbooks that come with
the class and the training, a separate workprop preached level, and you're allowed
to take notes, and you know, we have support groups and things like
that to help people and we encourage. We really want people to do well,
so we supply them with whatever we can to help them become practitioners or
teachers. So I'm curious, you know, I was going to ask you
when we before we started, what were you doing during the pandemic when people
couldn't meet? Can you actually train somebody via Zoom like we're doing talking right
now. Yeah, that's a good thing. Yeah, what happened is that
now. See, one of the things that I do is I was working
with the Cahuna and he was giving me inspiration and different healings and things and
these had. What you need to do if you want to do well is
always have a clairvoyant healer that you work with that you've meditated asked to be,
you know, fine, that will help you with your own healing.
So I was working with someone that happened to be a Ricky Master also,
and during the pandemic we kind of meditated together and work with our guides,
and they said that they foresaw the pandemic coming and they were making changes in
our uric field so we'd be able to teach online. And they further refined
that and understanding he said, well, there are guides that develop the Zoom
technology, and the Riky Guides and the guides for the Zoom technology got together
and formulated the special energy that could be you know, projected through the Zoom
technology. So I love those stories. Yeah, and so high that guy.
Yeah, that's so they kind of put that all together. So I
didn't even miss a beat. It was my next class. I was able
to do it online, and I was amazed that it actually worked. And
the students were all Raky masters, so they were already familiar with the energy
and they said, oh, yeah, this is working. We can confirm
that this works. Since well, that was my question to you. Have
you met anybody that you trained on the Zoom to see how their hands feel,
you mean like afterwards, yeah, I mean after their training, and
you're like, well, I've been told this is gonna work. Fine,
we're gonna have a Zoom act specialists come through and blah blah blah. But
obviously, if if you're you know, you're testing somebody to see how how
much what they feel. Well, to some extent myself, but more so
the students already soon they were Raky practitioners and masters, and they took the
Zoom training and they confirmed that, yeah, we are very happy with this
cloud. We're happy we took it. Confidently, it took place. It's
happening. So Um, I'm always going for the imperial you know, like,
um, evidence, how are you evidence about? It does work?
So we confirmed that through you know, working with people and asking them what
their experience was, and they all were very happy and UM is happening.
Yeah, I love it, William, thank you very much. Really enjoyed
the presentation in your knowledge um and and I uh, I hope those are
the of you that are listening. Consider this technique. I have used it
on my loved ones, on my animals, and on myself for years and
it's a wonderful technique and I can't I just can't get enough of it.
If you were to speculate, William, what the future holds for Ricky,
what would you say? Would you say the energy is going to be amplified.
You think there's going to be a new ability that's going to happen.
What are you into it? Well, our experiences that it has been getting
stronger, and I'm certain it just feels like it's just going to keep going
and that technically there's no limit to what can be done. So we're very
curious about as time goes by, what people would be able to do,
and it's just limited to by the individual and the type of healing it takes
place for them in terms of what they're able to channel, and that there
are ever higher frequencies that are possible. Fantastic, Hey, thank you.
I really appreciate it and I'm definitely gonna check out your website. Thanks,
clif Yeah, very good. That was fun talking to William about raiki.
You know, I haven't talked to anybody about raiki in honestly, probably ten
years, simply because it's very private and there aren't you know. I mean,
there's probably a meetup group here in the Bay areas, Cisco Bay area,
and I remember years ago going to one that I discovered, but I
don't know. I just for some reason, I haven't talked about it very
often. So it's good to talk. It's good to talk to him.
It's good to get clarity on certain things. And his website at the International
Center for Ricky Training, they have a lot of books that I'm curious about,
especially the translation of writing of a Suey students. That sounds fascinating to
get to know that material. So so I'll be buying a few books,
Yes, I will looking forward to that. Hey, I want to remind
you We have a tour coming up in the fall. It is our regular
Mexico tour. It's the ancient Maya of Tabasco and Chopists. It's November tenth
through the seventeenth of this year. We all meet at Verahrmosa, which is
in Mexico, and really it's a short tour. We usually do two weeks.
This is only seven days and it's the first day we are checking out
Levente, which is one of the oldest Olmec cities in the world. It
also includes a visit to the Leventa Open Air Olmec Museum, which I've been
wanting to go to for years because they have all these outdoor sculptures which are
really critical, really fun to check out. Then we visit the city of
Leventa. The next day we get on the bus are heading to Polank and
I haven't been have never been to Polank. I'm looking forward to that.
That's one of the great cities of the Maya. And our host for this
entire tour is doctor Edwin Barnhard. He is a mayanist and archaeologist and just
having him along it is gonna be fun. For more information on this tour,
go to Earth Ancients dot Com Forward slash Tours and check out the ry
we give the entire program. Get your deposited. We're about halfway full.
Check out a tour with us. You'll have a blast. We really do
have fun and they're very light and informative. They're just a blast. For
more information or the Ancients dot com Forward slash Tours. All right, that's
it for this program. I want to thank my guest today, William Rand,
President of the Ricky Association. As always, the team of Ruth Thomas,
Mark Foster and everyone who makes this thing happen. Thank you, my
friends. All right, take care of you, will and we will see
you next time.