1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:16,160 Made a decision face sunny sad on I had a desion. So what's up, 2 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:20,559 everybody? It's our for crying out loud. Bonus Show with our special 3 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:25,039 guest today, Meredith Lynch. Thank you Meredith for coming in. I'm super 4 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,839 excited about this. I've been asking her for a while. Um, and 5 00:00:28,879 --> 00:00:33,039 then some reason she couldn't do the I don't know, but whatever, it's 6 00:00:33,039 --> 00:00:36,799 probably your fault. It probably was my fault. It's my fault. It's 7 00:00:36,799 --> 00:00:41,119 almost always my fault. Now, UM, I will say how I know 8 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,920 Meredith. But so Meredith took my memoir writing class. Is that how you 9 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,039 met? I think so, But you said you listen to this podcast. 10 00:00:50,079 --> 00:00:55,079 But I just want to say really quick that she's so crazy talented, Like 11 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:00,159 she's so young and beautiful, and you don't always expect that. I know, 12 00:01:00,399 --> 00:01:02,880 when you're young and beautiful, you don't really need to back it up 13 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,640 with talent, but like, oh my god, her writing is so beautiful 14 00:01:06,799 --> 00:01:10,840 and she tell these stories, you know, which she can kind of tell 15 00:01:10,879 --> 00:01:15,680 you about about her life and just super honest and moving stories. And then 16 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,239 some time went by, I think you were taking writing like you you got 17 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,159 U you were actually taking like real, yeah, I'm getting my MFA now. 18 00:01:25,359 --> 00:01:27,200 So here's a little plug for Stephanie's class. Like, I'm getting a 19 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,760 graduate degree now because I took Stephanie's class. I never would have done wow, 20 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,079 right, yes, I never would have done it. So did you 21 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:38,000 just take the writing class? Just as a like for frenzies. I was 22 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,879 like, you know what, I just moved to La. It was COVID, 23 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:42,079 there was like nothing going on. I was like, let me take 24 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:46,200 this writing class, and you know, just I've got some of these like 25 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,319 weird stories, let me see what happens. And then I loved it so 26 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,719 much. She's an amazing She really is just an amazing there's your plug. 27 00:01:55,239 --> 00:02:00,000 Okay. So then um, some time goes by and then you blew up 28 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,959 on TikTok a little bit, a little bit. How I want to know 29 00:02:04,959 --> 00:02:07,879 how that happened? Yeah, okay, okay, so tell us a little 30 00:02:07,879 --> 00:02:12,240 give us some backstory. So I when I first moved to La again, 31 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,639 no friends, like my husband and I moved here during COVID, so it's 32 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:20,000 like just us dogs, nothing else. And it's December of twenty twenty. 33 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,199 There's like no vaccines, you can't do anything. So I just started making 34 00:02:23,439 --> 00:02:28,599 TikTok videos and mostly they were like makeup and like skincare and stuff, and 35 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:30,599 they started kind of taking off, and I was like, Okay, this 36 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,240 is fun. But then I started to realize, like I was like, 37 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,400 I don't really this isn't really my jam, Like I don't really fit in 38 00:02:36,479 --> 00:02:38,759 with like the makeup girlies. I'm never gonna get like invited on the brand 39 00:02:38,879 --> 00:02:43,840 trip, Like no one's flying me to Dubai. So I gotta like figure 40 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:49,639 something else out. And so then I started making more like pop culture TikTok's 41 00:02:49,759 --> 00:02:53,280 and those really started to take off in like deep diving on stuff and like 42 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,319 you know, looking at like you know, Real Housewives seasons from years ago 43 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,719 or like you know, I was just telling stuff and he like, I'm 44 00:03:00,719 --> 00:03:04,240 really right now into the real world. Miami from nineteen ninety six, like 45 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,960 obsessed with it. I can't stop watching it. It does not age well, 46 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,960 but it's so good. Wow. Okay, yeah, so I'm trying 47 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:14,879 to even remember who was Okay, Miami Dan, he was like a model 48 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:21,159 and Flora. Remember they get into a fight over the envelope? Was it? 49 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,159 What season was it? Was it season? Like season six? Ohkah, 50 00:03:24,159 --> 00:03:28,080 I think I had stopped watching it by then. Anyway, it's pretty 51 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,360 okay, so I digress. But anyway, so I started making these videos 52 00:03:30,479 --> 00:03:34,479 and I was having a lot of fun, and then I flew a little 53 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,719 too close to the sun. Like I'll just say that for a hot minute. 54 00:03:38,199 --> 00:03:44,719 Um, I learned about defamation the hard way and um. But since 55 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:49,759 then, uh, since my incidences with two former I want to say, 56 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,560 former Bravo stars, I have learned a lot. And now I do all 57 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:58,719 sorts of stuff on TikTok and you know, trying to also like you know, 58 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,120 write a little bit on the side. So even when you started tick, 59 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,080 when you started doing the TikTok, you had any followers. No, 60 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:11,919 I no followers. Yeah, like when you started doing the TikTok, So 61 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,439 how does like how do you start to build You have to do hashtags? 62 00:04:15,639 --> 00:04:17,680 Yeah, you have to do like hashtags, and like, you know, 63 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,040 I wasn't like an you know, there's like Instagram, bloggers and things like 64 00:04:21,079 --> 00:04:25,639 that. I wasn't any of those things. And so I just made one 65 00:04:25,759 --> 00:04:29,040 video and the algorithm just picked it up. And then like from there, 66 00:04:29,519 --> 00:04:32,480 I started like getting more and more and then people just started following me, 67 00:04:32,519 --> 00:04:35,439 and I will be honest, like you got I'm not doing it as much 68 00:04:35,439 --> 00:04:39,399 as I used to. You gotta be like cranking the content out. Like 69 00:04:39,639 --> 00:04:42,800 there was a time period where I was making like five videos a day and 70 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,079 I was like a day. And I also used to like put on like 71 00:04:46,079 --> 00:04:51,199 a full face of makeup and like have this like totally different voice. And 72 00:04:51,439 --> 00:04:55,000 it was exactly like my husband would be like, um, are we like 73 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,519 gonna go to dinner? You're just gonna like make TikTok's all night? And 74 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,279 I'm like, well, you know what, what's giving us seventy five since 75 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,319 a day? You know? But now I think like you kind of like 76 00:05:03,519 --> 00:05:06,160 probably y'all have been through this with like your own stuff. It's like you 77 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:10,279 start to be like, Okay, where's the boundary, Like what what is 78 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:14,720 like actually gonna make me money or you know, be rewarding, and then 79 00:05:14,759 --> 00:05:17,079 also what is just like oh, I'm kind of like right, it's filler, 80 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:21,480 you know, right right right now I'm more strategic. So are you 81 00:05:21,519 --> 00:05:29,120 making good money off TikTok though? Um, no, no, because I 82 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:30,879 get no brand deals, Like so that's why people make money off of on 83 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,680 TikTok, Like they make money off the brand deals, so like they just 84 00:05:33,759 --> 00:05:36,160 had this Oh my god, this is so good, so they just do 85 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:41,199 you know she In, You're oh, yeah, okay, did you see 86 00:05:41,199 --> 00:05:45,399 the brand trip to she In? No, my god, it's like propaganda. 87 00:05:45,639 --> 00:05:50,360 So they bring these influencers to China and they're like, you're gonna tore 88 00:05:50,519 --> 00:05:54,839 she In and you're going to find out that we're really ethical because like it's 89 00:05:54,879 --> 00:05:57,920 fast fashion, right, they're kind of like the worst of the work. 90 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,040 Oh yeah, I completely imagine like seven year olds sewing clothes in a factory. 91 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:05,600 So they bring them to like the innovation center and they tore it and 92 00:06:05,639 --> 00:06:10,439 they're like then they have them come back and like basically read off a script 93 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,160 and be like we had the most amazing time in Singapore, and we went 94 00:06:14,199 --> 00:06:15,959 to dinner with like the heads of the company and like you know, we 95 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:25,120 learned all about their ethical practices, and we adopted some kids from the factory, 96 00:06:25,319 --> 00:06:28,879 and like they got paid like six thousand dollars to go on that trip, 97 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,439 plus like the expenses. No one is inviting me to that. I 98 00:06:31,519 --> 00:06:34,800 was uninvited to the Paley Festival. I don't know if You're familiar with the 99 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:43,439 Paley Festival, so it's like basic. No, So like the Pale Paley 100 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,279 is like some center for the arts or something. So they have like a 101 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,839 festival every year, and they like premiere shows. So they were doing the 102 00:06:48,879 --> 00:06:51,959 premiere of Yellow Jackets, and I'm like, they invite me to go. 103 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,279 I'm like, oh, okay, this is fun, Like this is a 104 00:06:55,319 --> 00:06:58,160 cool thing. And then I get an email like two days later. Um, 105 00:06:58,199 --> 00:07:01,240 the brand is moving in a different direction. You're not gone in now. 106 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:05,079 This is why someone thinks I was uninvited. Okay, I talk shit 107 00:07:05,199 --> 00:07:15,319 about scientology on podcasts and Juliette Lewis is still a scientologist, so they said, 108 00:07:15,519 --> 00:07:18,399 they think I'm on the watch list, got it. I'm interesting. 109 00:07:18,519 --> 00:07:23,519 I was just at the Scientology Center this weekend. I serviced their turtle pond 110 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,040 and they needed me to come over there, so and I do it, 111 00:07:26,079 --> 00:07:28,600 and I do it with everybody. It's like right outside the cafe, so 112 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,000 they're all walking by me and uh, very chatty. Yeah, yeah, 113 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,959 I'm working here. I lifting rocks, and they're just why do you become 114 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:43,040 a scientologist? Just do it for us? Hidden Yeah, to an event 115 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:49,560 once at the Celebrity Center because it was my friend, Well this isn't Patreon, 116 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:57,360 but um well, Julie Casem's sister is a scientologist. So we were 117 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,839 at an event. This is many years ago, and it was and we 118 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,480 walked around a little bit and it was so wild to see, like, 119 00:08:05,519 --> 00:08:09,279 oh my god, these people are all scientologists just walking among us, right, 120 00:08:09,519 --> 00:08:15,000 regular people like living their lives, you know, trying to blend in 121 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:16,199 with the rest of us, you know. And then when we were at 122 00:08:16,279 --> 00:08:20,199 the event, it was like people would be talking to each other and then 123 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,720 you know, you'd kind of be eyeing the person with suspicion, and then 124 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,240 eventually the person would just be like, are you scientologists? And then I'd 125 00:08:28,279 --> 00:08:33,279 be like no, and then they'd be like me neither. This is crazy, 126 00:08:33,519 --> 00:08:37,159 and then you'd be like, okay, I can continue talking to Yeah, 127 00:08:37,279 --> 00:08:39,080 right, it's odd. So wait, you you go and you and 128 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:46,279 you clean their pool. They're pond, they're they're quite fond like the turtle. 129 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,879 They have a turtle pond right outside their cafe. And do you think 130 00:08:48,879 --> 00:08:52,600 the turtles are all scientologists? I was just gonna say, they love those 131 00:08:52,639 --> 00:08:56,919 turtles, so I have to take them out and put them in a separate 132 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,519 container, and they are all very concerned. Where where are the where do 133 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:01,720 they I'm like their dad at the bottom of the stairs, just go look 134 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:03,960 at them, and then they go down and yeah, they really love those 135 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,600 turtles. Oh my god, you're not on a watch list, not yet 136 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,720 for this episode. Im my god. I'm sorry. Listen. Yes, 137 00:09:13,159 --> 00:09:18,039 said maybe a bit chatty, but nice. We're all on the watch list 138 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:22,039 now. Um, okay, do you ever get recruited like either of you? 139 00:09:22,279 --> 00:09:24,360 Well, you're an LA native, right, I'm like kind of a 140 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:28,360 creep because I've listened to this podcast so much, so you like, no 141 00:09:28,399 --> 00:09:31,840 one would bother you about it. I get no, I've never nobody's ever 142 00:09:31,879 --> 00:09:35,440 approached me. Unfortunately. Stephanie's dad an approach to go join a cult and 143 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,879 shit, you know my Nexium story, right, Yeah, you were like 144 00:09:39,919 --> 00:09:41,120 almost they tried to get you in there, right, yeah, the girl. 145 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:46,240 Yeah, I know it's because you're a local, like they know that 146 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:50,200 you're going to smell the bs. When I first moved to LA where I 147 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,639 was nineteen and I would walk I lived in Hollywood, Oh my god, 148 00:09:54,639 --> 00:09:58,480 I got approached to be an a cult like every other day and Scientology is 149 00:09:58,519 --> 00:10:01,080 like their their headquarters. They were on Hollywood Boulevard, So if you were 150 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,279 walking on Hollywood Boulevard, they would constantly be like, hey, do you 151 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,240 want to take a free personality test? And that's where they get yet because 152 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,960 if you don't know, you're like, oh, like I love that kind 153 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,600 of shit. I'll take a kind of quiz. Yeah, like I'll like 154 00:10:15,759 --> 00:10:18,480 you know, I mean this is the precursor to like Facebook, you know, 155 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,720 like which candy bar are you? You know? So it was like, 156 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,200 oh, that's kind of interesting. But then you start to realize that 157 00:10:26,279 --> 00:10:31,240 the pan something looked off about it, and I'm fairly cynical person, so 158 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:35,919 I kind of caught onto what that was going to be and that I was 159 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,440 then going to have to be a scientologist. But I also got recruited into 160 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,879 the Namyoho renge Ko, like into going to a meeting. It's a Buddhist 161 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,799 cult. Okay, it's not like try to come up to you and hand 162 00:10:48,799 --> 00:10:54,399 you the flowers or whatever. No, that's yeah, yeah, yeah, 163 00:10:54,039 --> 00:11:01,200 this is like George Harrison's song. Yeah, this is a little bit different. 164 00:11:01,279 --> 00:11:05,639 It's um, it's a it's a cult where you chant this, you 165 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:11,440 go num yoho renge ki num yoho ing anyway. But the whole point is 166 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:16,000 to like attract material things into your life. It's like it's like before the 167 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:22,519 Secret, right right, And yeah, so I went to one meeting for 168 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,960 that, but they're very serious. They have a thing called a ghunzen, 169 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,960 which is like an altar and you hang it on your wall, and of 170 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:33,200 course all these things cost money, right right, But like so I was 171 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,399 supposed to go to this meeting where I was going to buy my ghunzen, 172 00:11:35,919 --> 00:11:41,159 and before that could happen, I, you know, I thought better of 173 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,480 the whole thing and was like I'm not going to be doing that. And 174 00:11:43,519 --> 00:11:46,679 then they started showing up at the apartment where I was staying and calling constantly 175 00:11:46,759 --> 00:11:50,960 and like yeah, I had to threaten to call the police to make them 176 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,279 go away. It's like a car full of these namioho renge KOs in like 177 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:58,120 a Volkswagen in the driveway, going please come out, please come talk to 178 00:11:58,159 --> 00:12:01,399 us, And I was like, you need to go away. It was 179 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,360 crazy, But like, don't you feel kind of cool that they wanted you 180 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,879 in there? Yeah? Yeah, isn't it? You feel very you know, 181 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,600 feel good about yourself. Once I had a few years of la under 182 00:12:11,639 --> 00:12:15,320 my belt, Like yeah, nobody, nobody was to be in their coals. 183 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:16,679 See that's what I mean. But did you grow up were you raised 184 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,639 Catholic? Yes? Yeah, well my dad was an atheist, my mom 185 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,519 was Catholic, and so I was like in between. I don't know, 186 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,519 Well you never really went to church or right, but like the same thing 187 00:12:28,519 --> 00:12:30,279 with me, Like we didn't go to church, but I would say I 188 00:12:30,279 --> 00:12:33,759 was raised Catholic. But I think they smell the Catholics from a mile away 189 00:12:33,799 --> 00:12:39,080 and they're like you already have like too much like emotional damage or something like 190 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,399 you were raised by people who probably did grow up very Catholic, Right, 191 00:12:41,519 --> 00:12:45,519 so you're screwed. Yeah, they don't want so okay, wait, so 192 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,399 you got, you got, you got. You didn't get to go to 193 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,840 the Paley. I didn't get to go to Pale Fast so Juliet Yeah maybe, 194 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,279 um possibly possibly allegedly, but anyway, so I'm not getting those kind 195 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,799 of things. But I have a Patreon in a case, like you know, 196 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,320 I got invited to go to Raising Canes the other day, the opening 197 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:05,879 of a Raising Canes and el Segunda. Oh my god, that's where you 198 00:13:05,919 --> 00:13:09,960 met what's right Arianna from what vander pet Yes, Arianna was at the raising 199 00:13:11,039 --> 00:13:16,120 canes or kidding raising canes at eight thirty in the morning, which I have 200 00:13:16,159 --> 00:13:18,519 to tell you at the time of my life. I was like, this 201 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,840 is like the best time I've had in La eight thirty in the morning with 202 00:13:20,879 --> 00:13:24,440 like a bunch of influencers in Arianna at the raising cane The chicken is good. 203 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,200 Oh, I've been there a million times. Who used to stop there 204 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,279 all the time with Natalian way home from volleyball. She loves it. Yeah, 205 00:13:31,279 --> 00:13:35,240 I loved it. Now, So like, does game recognize game when 206 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,960 you go to these things, like do influencers or they like, I know 207 00:13:37,039 --> 00:13:39,879 you, I know you from the talk and then you go, I know 208 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,679 do you do you see? Yes? And I only get invited to stuff 209 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,919 with like people who are similar to me, you know what I mean, 210 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,320 Like because there's influencers who like I mean, there's some who like have me 211 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,879 blocked, and there's like, oh my god, I blocked by like everybody. 212 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,200 I'm blocked by like everybody, not influencers, but like a lot of 213 00:13:54,200 --> 00:14:01,799 celebrities have me blocked. Witherspoon blocked me in like minutes you why because I 214 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:09,000 was starting to kind of poke around with her, like reading Initiative Club okay, 215 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,120 and I was like, okay, this is a little interesting. You 216 00:14:11,159 --> 00:14:15,919 know, you guys, you're not a nonprofit, but you say that you're 217 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:20,120 donating, so like, where's it going? And it was like immediate block. 218 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,600 And I'm not gonna lie, that scared me. Yeah, because of 219 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,799 your Bethany. That was actually before my Bethany stuff. But it did scare 220 00:14:26,799 --> 00:14:30,039 me because I was like, she's I think Greece Witherspoon like would cut a 221 00:14:30,039 --> 00:14:33,799 bitch. I think I feel that way too. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, 222 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,120 And I almost kind of respected her for right away being like you're done. 223 00:14:37,759 --> 00:14:43,559 So how long did it take you to build a following? To get 224 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:48,200 over two hundred thousand? Yeah, over two hundred thousand took me like almost 225 00:14:48,279 --> 00:14:50,840 two years. That's not even bad. Yeah, it's not that for like 226 00:14:50,879 --> 00:14:54,200 someone who didn't have a social media presence before. And so you know, 227 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,799 we'll kind of see what happens. It's like one day at a time. 228 00:14:56,879 --> 00:15:01,120 One day you're at the Raising Canes, the next day you're uninvited from the 229 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:05,240 PaleyFest, right, but like I love meeting, like like I've met the 230 00:15:05,279 --> 00:15:07,320 coolest people from doing this, like being here with you guys, it's like 231 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,960 a dream, Like you don't. I used to listen to this podcast. 232 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,399 I still listen as possible, but I used to listen to it when I 233 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,960 was in my like mid early twenties, and it was like having two big 234 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,480 sisters. It was the first podcast that I ever listened to. Yes, 235 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:26,200 I always my dream to have a good sister. Um okay, So honestly, 236 00:15:26,279 --> 00:15:30,039 this is why. Okay, I was watching Celebrity it's all because of 237 00:15:30,039 --> 00:15:33,360 Trump. I was watching Celebrity Apprentice and Adam was on it, and I 238 00:15:33,399 --> 00:15:37,200 thought that he was really funny on it. And I was telling my friend, 239 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,759 I was like, oh, you know, watching this and like I 240 00:15:39,759 --> 00:15:43,960 don't really like the show, but I think Adam crole is really funny. 241 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,600 And he was like, oh, you should listen to his podcast, and 242 00:15:46,639 --> 00:15:48,759 so I did and I was like, oh, yeah, it's it's funny. 243 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:50,960 But then I heard an ad for this and I was like, I'm 244 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,240 gonna listen to that, and so I started listening to this instad. I 245 00:15:54,279 --> 00:15:58,559 mean this was like like you guys like didn't have Patreon, Like wow, 246 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:03,039 I mean, the kids were so little um and so I became like a 247 00:16:03,399 --> 00:16:06,639 for crying out loud at it. And do you have kids? No, 248 00:16:06,799 --> 00:16:08,960 I don't have kids, Okay, but I have a lot of opinions. 249 00:16:11,639 --> 00:16:15,120 So much for crying out lust but I love hearing about your kids and like 250 00:16:15,159 --> 00:16:19,120 they're just like, honestly, your kids are such nice kids, Like I 251 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,480 can just tell from the way you talk about them, and like it's just 252 00:16:22,559 --> 00:16:26,279 like I think it's really cool how you've shared them growing up. But also 253 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,159 like not overexposed. I don't know. I just thank you. You're great 254 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:34,480 moms. And I probably would have like not married my husband if it hadn't 255 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,840 been for your podcast, because you give a really good relationship advice too. 256 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,039 We do, yes, Oh my god. I feel like all we did 257 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,080 was complain, yeah, because like it is like they are really fucking annoying 258 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:51,279 rights and valid made you feel made you feel like, Okay, you're not 259 00:16:51,519 --> 00:16:55,200 the only one annoyed by your husband right at it, and like I feel 260 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,679 like I like I had just started dating him when I think I was really 261 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:02,159 like really, this was the only podcast that I was listening to, and 262 00:17:02,639 --> 00:17:04,599 I remember feeling like you guys talking about like you know, sometimes just to 263 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,440 like give people a chance and not everything's going to be perfect all the time. 264 00:17:07,759 --> 00:17:11,920 And I didn't, like I don't have a big sister, um, 265 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,920 and it was just like hearing big sisters say that advice. And I was 266 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,680 like, all right, I'll go on another date with him. Ah, 267 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:22,319 that's so nice. I can remember thinking that. That's so you guys, 268 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:30,880 anytime you want, Okay, let's take a quick break and we're back. 269 00:17:32,319 --> 00:17:36,720 So I want to hear. So there's so many I have questions. But 270 00:17:37,039 --> 00:17:42,160 um, so you have two sisters, younger sisters the oldest, and you 271 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:48,599 lost your mom when you were sixteen seventeen. But yes, oh my gosh, 272 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:52,000 wow. So yeah, so my mom died when I was seventeen. 273 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:59,960 She had cancer for four years, and we went from being a tight show 274 00:18:00,079 --> 00:18:03,000 up to a cruise ship, That's what I say, but like not a 275 00:18:03,039 --> 00:18:07,279 good cruise ship, not like one that Richard Branson's on, like one where 276 00:18:07,319 --> 00:18:11,279 like everybody comes home and they have diarrhea. I like, is then my 277 00:18:11,319 --> 00:18:15,079 grandma's friend being wheeled off the cruise ship? Like that's what it became. 278 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,920 So anyway, my mom, like you know, so my mom died when 279 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,240 I was seventeen, which was like terrible for the mental health, but like 280 00:18:21,279 --> 00:18:25,799 amazing for the plot because it really did like make me who I am. 281 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:30,680 Like I was very quiet, very shy, and then my mom gets sick 282 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,680 and died, and I was just like okay, Like even though my dad 283 00:18:33,799 --> 00:18:37,920 is wonderful, Like it was like, you know, my mom was the 284 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,440 one who ran the house, and so it was like you're on your own 285 00:18:41,559 --> 00:18:44,680 kid in a lot of ways, and so it was like I just had 286 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,480 to learn to advocate for myself, which is probably how I end up with 287 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:55,920 all these you know, cease and assists shutting up. Yeah. I really 288 00:18:55,960 --> 00:19:02,000 think it's the challenges in life that I think, Okay, God forbid that 289 00:19:02,079 --> 00:19:06,240 challenge. But when kids are faced with some kind of adversity, I do 290 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:10,720 think it turns them into you know, hustlers. Yeah, yeah, hustle 291 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,759 you know, like you have to if you don't get everything handed to you, 292 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:19,200 like or you just have some things that you have to go through some 293 00:19:19,319 --> 00:19:23,599 difficulties. It makes you realize, oh, like there's steps I can take, 294 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,440 there's things I can do. Like we are forced into it, you 295 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,359 know. I mean, if I hadn't had like a shitty childhood, I 296 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,279 wouldn't have been would I would never have done the things or taking the risks 297 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,720 or taking the chances or gone for things because I would have felt like, 298 00:19:37,759 --> 00:19:40,359 oh, I have too much to lose or that sounds hard or whatever. 299 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,960 But when you don't have anything and you have to it kind of you throw 300 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,400 yourself into stuff right totally. And you also know that like, I mean, 301 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:51,200 you guys have both seen some shit, right, Like you also know 302 00:19:51,319 --> 00:19:52,440 like, Okay, well, bad things have already happened to me. What 303 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,279 else can I ask? That's that bad? Right? Like you've both been 304 00:19:56,279 --> 00:20:00,680 through things with your family, and once you've been through real hard things, 305 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,720 you kind of realize, like you know who cares right to some degree? 306 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:08,599 Yeah, are you close to your dad? Yeah? I'm really close to 307 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,480 my dad. He's my best friend and I'm not his because he has good 308 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:18,920 boundaries, Like I'm obsessed with him, and he like likes like is has 309 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,240 like an appropriate like is like you're you're a great kid, but I don't 310 00:20:22,279 --> 00:20:26,759 need to talk to you every day. I was a daddy's girl too, 311 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:30,960 Oh my god. I was always like I was always a daddy's girl. 312 00:20:30,279 --> 00:20:34,319 And so you know when my mom died, Like, you know, I 313 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,759 think we got closer in a lot of ways, but became more like brother 314 00:20:37,799 --> 00:20:41,000 and sister in a lot of ways. But my dad is remarried. He 315 00:20:41,039 --> 00:20:45,000 has an amazing I have an amazing stepmom. He like waited a really long 316 00:20:45,039 --> 00:20:48,400 time because like that's the trauma. Like a lot of women that I meet 317 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:52,279 whose mom's died when they were young, like their dads get married like no 318 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,400 joke, like four months later. Oh yeah, I've seen it. I've 319 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:00,200 seen it with one of Elbie's friends. Yeah, with a couple of all 320 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,319 these friends. Yeah, it's so hard. I think it's harder than the 321 00:21:03,319 --> 00:21:07,559 actual losing of the mom. Oh I can imagine. Yeah. Yeah. 322 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,039 Now are you close with your sisters? Oh? Super close. It's super 323 00:21:11,079 --> 00:21:14,319 close. I mean, like, you know, they think I'm like a 324 00:21:14,319 --> 00:21:18,079 bossy older sister, but we're really close and I'm so grateful to have them, 325 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,759 and like, you know, we've been through some shit together, so 326 00:21:22,319 --> 00:21:25,400 we we are. We know that we're like all each other has in a 327 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,519 lot of ways. You know. Um, so yeah, I feel really 328 00:21:27,559 --> 00:21:32,000 really blessed in that way. And then you know, I really feel like 329 00:21:32,039 --> 00:21:34,240 it's so cheesy, but I live my life like an honor of my mom. 330 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:38,240 Like my mom never got to travel like she you know, she gets 331 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:45,039 she like goes to college, has kids, gets sick and dies like she's 332 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,799 you know, she doesn't get she didn't have a very long life. She 333 00:21:47,799 --> 00:21:51,680 didn't have an easy life. And so everything that I do, like is 334 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,759 an honor of her, Like she never moves, like she never got to 335 00:21:53,759 --> 00:21:56,400 like travel, she never got to move, She never saw the Pacific Ocean, 336 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,480 like, she didn't get to do all these things, So like I 337 00:21:59,519 --> 00:22:02,839 get to do them for her, as she says, that sounds right. 338 00:22:03,319 --> 00:22:06,480 But what I also really liked, what I loved about your writing was that 339 00:22:06,599 --> 00:22:10,839 as much as you know you weren't, your writing isn't like a Hallmark movie 340 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,200 about losing your mom, like you t told a lot of real stories about 341 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:15,119 Oh yeah, it was a piece of shit. When my mom was sick, 342 00:22:15,759 --> 00:22:18,960 I was so annoying. I was like, such a little asshole. 343 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,559 Actually, it's so funny you told this story the other day, and he 344 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,359 was being so much nicer than I was. Um about Sonny coming home from 345 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:32,000 Japan right and honestly, like right before my mother died, I came home 346 00:22:32,039 --> 00:22:33,440 from like one of these like big class trips, like one of those ones 347 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,359 where like you have to beg your parents and then finally they'd let you go 348 00:22:37,559 --> 00:22:40,359 and like they write the check and they're like, you know, but you're 349 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,519 gonna have to come back and tell us everything about it. And I remember 350 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,160 her picking me up from the airport and her and first of all, I 351 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,720 remember being like you and you better be on time. When I called her, 352 00:22:48,759 --> 00:22:49,640 like the night before, I was like, you better be on time. 353 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,720 This poor woman is like dying of cancer, by the way, okay, 354 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,039 And so she like picks me up and she's like, how was it, 355 00:22:56,079 --> 00:23:00,440 And I'm like it was fine to talk like I'm like I'm tired. 356 00:23:02,799 --> 00:23:07,720 And I've always had like serious regret about that car ride because I was like 357 00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:11,039 a little a little shit on the car ride home. And then here's my 358 00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:15,480 mom who like she probably only lived for like a few more months. And 359 00:23:15,559 --> 00:23:18,039 I wasn't like you know now looking back right, like if you were an 360 00:23:18,079 --> 00:23:21,000 adult, you'd be like, oh my god, here's my other like dying 361 00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:22,119 mother picking me up. I gotta tell her everything. I got a sharp 362 00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:26,200 photo whatever. But like when you and Sonny was so nice because then he 363 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,279 comes home and he eventually tells you everything right. Yeah, But like I 364 00:23:29,319 --> 00:23:30,079 was just like, oh, I was like when I heard that story, 365 00:23:30,079 --> 00:23:33,640 I was like, oh I was I was being like sixteen, I was 366 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,359 being seventeen. I was being a teenager. So yeah, I mean like 367 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,559 I could be a little But your mom was sick for a long time, 368 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,160 and you can't live every day like your mom's dying, because that would be 369 00:23:44,759 --> 00:23:48,359 really weird. Yeah, And I think if every day you were like mom, 370 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,079 I so appreciate you, it's gonna be really sad when you're gone, 371 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,039 Like, I mean, that would be how who could maintain that attitude? 372 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,160 I don't. I don't think anyone can. I think maybe if you're an 373 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,559 adult and you don't live with your parent and they're terminally ill, maybe you 374 00:24:02,599 --> 00:24:06,920 can have more of that sort of relationship. But I actually look back on 375 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:07,920 it now and I'm like, I think I kind of gave her a gift 376 00:24:08,079 --> 00:24:14,519 because like she got to have like a like a regular teenager, and you 377 00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:17,119 know, she got to have the kid that was like being like I don't 378 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,519 want to do this. I want to go with my friends drive me here, 379 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,960 Like I want my take me to get my permit and then like you 380 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,039 know, like all those kind of things, which actually, like if you 381 00:24:26,079 --> 00:24:29,400 want to be a parent, those are like some of the things that you 382 00:24:29,559 --> 00:24:32,200 expect. So like, I think it's probably good because it let her not 383 00:24:32,279 --> 00:24:33,960 think about her cancer all the time. But yeah, like I used to, 384 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,279 I would talk about this in class. I'd be like, if you're 385 00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:38,599 coming to pick me up, you better And people are gonna think I'm such 386 00:24:38,599 --> 00:24:41,319 a jerk, but can we just say, like I was like at this 387 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:42,599 time, I was like, thirteen, you better have your wayne if you're 388 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,920 coming down to the school today, because like who wants to be different at 389 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,559 that age? Oh? Yeah, yeah, Like absolutely. Do you think 390 00:24:49,599 --> 00:24:53,039 it's easier now for kids to be, like to have differences and stuff like 391 00:24:53,079 --> 00:24:59,599 that. I mean I do, but I don't I which is a great 392 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:06,279 answer. I think in some ways it's easier. I think there's more LGBT 393 00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:11,319 kids, and there's more kids are more accepting of like gender creativity. But 394 00:25:11,759 --> 00:25:14,559 at the core of it, I do think kids still want to blend. 395 00:25:14,599 --> 00:25:18,440 And I think there's still tribal mentality with kids. So if you're too different, 396 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,640 like or if you or if you're not confident, they still sense weakness. 397 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,480 And there's still the attitude of like, we want people some people to 398 00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:30,440 be othered, do you know what I mean? Right, So it just 399 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,440 they might be othered for different reasons than they used to. But yes, 400 00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:40,119 I think kids are still worried about being on the outside of right, and 401 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,519 more so sometimes it's probably even them. It's like the kid who's experiencing it 402 00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:47,880 than the other kids too, right, Like I didn't want to be different, 403 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,240 Like I didn't want to be the kid at school whose mom had cancer. 404 00:25:49,519 --> 00:25:53,279 Like that's just no, you don't want to be that. So I 405 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,559 see what you mean. And I remember a story that you told about being 406 00:25:56,599 --> 00:26:00,839 in middle school. I believe because that's when your mom first got right and 407 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,480 the kids being mean to you and saying you were just trying to get attention. 408 00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:07,279 What, oh my god. Yes, So when my mom I remember, 409 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:12,039 oh, you're so sweet. When my mom first got cancer, like 410 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,079 the very first, like weekend, you know, like they tell us and 411 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,519 like, of course, it's like everything's gonna be fine, Everything's gonna be 412 00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:22,000 okay. And so I was like, I don't know about that. That 413 00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:26,160 phone's ringing an offul But anyway, I went to school and I told my 414 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,400 friends, and this one girl was like, you know, that's a family 415 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,240 matter. You really shouldn't be telling kids at school. I kind of feel 416 00:26:32,279 --> 00:26:34,759 like you want attention. And after that moment, I was like, I 417 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:37,480 was like, I don't want to tell peop. Also, she was like 418 00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:38,359 the cool girl in the group, you know what I mean, Like she 419 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,279 hadn't you only told one like person? Yeah, and then she'd kind of 420 00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:47,559 like told a few others. So I was just like, you know, 421 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,720 let it spread, like and I'm sure you've seen your kids go through this, 422 00:26:49,839 --> 00:26:52,480 right, Like there's a friend who's like the ringleader. Oh yeah, 423 00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:56,079 right yeah, And you're like, screw them. But I can't say screw 424 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,680 them, right, like so and I think, you know, looking back 425 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,160 on it, I you know, I could have stood up for myself or 426 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,799 whatever. And I but you're thirteen, right, you know, what do 427 00:27:06,839 --> 00:27:10,440 you know? But also the funniest part is that I ran into her years 428 00:27:10,519 --> 00:27:18,000 later and she was very nice and very kind, and she is also an 429 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,400 oncology nurse, so she's working with the cancer patients. And I remember just 430 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,759 being like, oh, I wonder if you tell them it's a family matter, 431 00:27:26,839 --> 00:27:30,799 and right, right, But anyway, so I told I wrote that 432 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:36,079 story somewhere recently. I told that story somewhere recently, and I had multiple 433 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,119 people contact me and be like, was that about me? Oh, were 434 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:41,440 any of the people the person it was about? No, none of the 435 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,720 people were. And I didn't say it, but I said, but I 436 00:27:44,759 --> 00:27:48,200 get I bet you can guess who it is. And that's all I said. 437 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,079 I left it at that interest. Oh my god, that's hilarious. 438 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,079 Wow, that's so funny. Do you guys ever, Like, how do 439 00:27:56,079 --> 00:27:59,240 you deal with that when you talk about people on here? Like, have 440 00:27:59,319 --> 00:28:00,519 you ever had some they say to you like you were talking about me? 441 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:07,240 Well? Yes, well, I mean unfortunately none of my friends, I 442 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,759 mean fortunately none of my friends listen to the show. Well, it's unfortunate, 443 00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:14,920 and fortunately none of my friends support me and listen to my what I 444 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,920 do. We can talk about them and they don't. Really, Yeah, 445 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:23,039 your friends like don't subscribe to the Patreon No, no, well a couple 446 00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:26,160 of my friends, but they were already patron subscribe. Well, my friend 447 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:32,599 Julie does from old days, and I never It was funny because years later 448 00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:33,240 she was like, oh, yeah, I listened. She would tell me 449 00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:37,359 about listening to the Patreon. I'd be like, you're still subscribing and she's 450 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,200 like, oh, I love it. And then another couple of people, 451 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,200 but they were already listening before we became friends. Okay, I consider all 452 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,279 of our Patreon people, yeah, they're yeah, your friends. But I 453 00:28:49,599 --> 00:28:55,039 but I have had that happened many times in books. And one of the 454 00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:59,400 times, like when I wrote my first book, I was writing about people 455 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,440 like pretty specifically. Now I changed their names, but like, I didn't 456 00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:08,319 change very many things about Like, so I wrote this one story I know 457 00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:11,359 I've told you this before, about about going to a mommy and me, 458 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,720 and I just was like, I'd never written a book before. I didn't 459 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,960 think I wasn't worried about it. I didn't even think honestly, I didn't 460 00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:22,359 think anybody would read it. I was like, I thought it was such 461 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,359 a fluke that I even got a book deal that I just I, as 462 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,200 they say, like wrote like nobody was going to read it, you know 463 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:37,160 I did so what apparently though, you know, of course they all read 464 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,039 the book. Like then I was on the Today Show and the book got 465 00:29:40,119 --> 00:29:42,759 kind of big, and then every single person that knew me or had been 466 00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:45,720 what they were all couldn't I guess, couldn't wait to read it. So 467 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,920 one of my friends, who I wrote about in a very nice way, 468 00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:53,480 well like called me and she was like, oh God, like these women 469 00:29:53,559 --> 00:29:57,319 all know that you're talking about them, and one of them, one of 470 00:29:57,359 --> 00:30:02,480 them I made this joke about where I said, Okay. The story was 471 00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:04,319 that she tried to get all the She tried to get all the other moms 472 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,160 at Mommy and Me to come with her to have her car seat installed. 473 00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:15,400 And I didn't even have enough etiquette to be like, oh no, thanks, 474 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,720 I'm busy that day. I was just like, why would I want 475 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:23,799 to do that? But why would someone want to or because new moms are 476 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,440 like, oh my god, they're so nervous and they're like, okay, 477 00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:30,319 yeah this thing and all we all care about is getting our car seats installed. 478 00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:33,839 Do you guys want to watch? Like? No, who worrying? 479 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:41,880 I never was in a car seat exactly exactly, so no. But I 480 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,319 was like, well, when I'm ready to put a make elby, get 481 00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:48,200 in the big girl car seat, I have somebody install it, like we 482 00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:52,359 all do. Like you buy it and you have the guy at babytown. 483 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,200 You pay him forty and he puts the car seat in. I don't need 484 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,839 to go to the fire station with you and watch no. So I was 485 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,480 like, no, thank you. I think she emailed us and I think 486 00:31:00,519 --> 00:31:03,279 I wrote her back and I was like no, and I think she said 487 00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:07,960 why, and I said, it just doesn't sound that exciting. So then 488 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,880 I when I wrote the story, I made a joke and I was like, 489 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,759 I thought about inviting everybody to my next to my next pap smere but 490 00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:18,119 I was scared i'd get some takers. Oh, because all the other moms 491 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,799 were all excited about it. So you're kind of like, okay, I'm 492 00:31:21,799 --> 00:31:26,599 not like fitting into that. That's more like right right. But that woman 493 00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:30,640 took it very personally and because that was an actual thing that happened, like 494 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:36,039 she actually did. So now I've got I've gotten better at changing circumstances. 495 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,680 But like my new book that's coming out, I was just having to do. 496 00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:44,000 I was just looking it over today for my final final rewrites, and 497 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,200 there's a story in there about somebody who is a hundred percent going to recognize 498 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,759 herself and I'm scared because and you didn't reach out there and tell her no? 499 00:31:52,920 --> 00:32:00,440 Because okay, because here's the story is that she called me men years 500 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,720 ago and she was gossiping about another mom that we both that we both know, 501 00:32:05,359 --> 00:32:08,599 and I was friends with this other mom. She was basically gossiping about 502 00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:16,279 the other mom's husband, right and saying something that was pure gossip and could 503 00:32:16,319 --> 00:32:21,279 be kind of dangerous gossip, and I said, I was really mad. 504 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,359 I was also in a very self righteous, fairly newly sober so this is 505 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,680 many years ago, and I was like, I can't believe you're saying that, 506 00:32:28,759 --> 00:32:31,759 Like that's fucked up, like you could you could ruin somebody's life over 507 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:36,640 and she was like so she got really defensive and then said it was all 508 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,880 based on a feeling. So then I hung up on her, and then 509 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,160 I was very proud of myself. I was like, yeah, fuck that 510 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,400 bit, you know. And I called my sponsor and she was like mmm 511 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,960 like and I said, I told her the story, and she's like, 512 00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:52,680 yeah, but you need to like kind of own your own behavior. So 513 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,440 I had to text her and I was like, hey, I'm sorry I 514 00:32:55,519 --> 00:33:00,119 hung up on you, and she was like, yeah, well, I'm 515 00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:02,039 glad you're apologizing because that was, you know, kind of rude, like 516 00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:07,319 and then I was like, this bitch for me, like what I called 517 00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:12,720 my sponsors. Yeah, but I couldn't. I was like, oh, 518 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,319 okay, so I was kind of mad. So anyway, I was writing 519 00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:22,079 this story really about about dealing with yourself. It was kind of but I 520 00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:28,440 had to completely change the situation. So it sounded very different right because I 521 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,359 could. I didn't want to get her in trouble, even though the only 522 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:35,799 people that knew about that situation were the two of us. But I still 523 00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:39,160 had to totally change the situation. I gave her a different name. I 524 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:45,000 called her Rumor, and then I said, not rumor, willis a totally 525 00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:47,839 different Rumor. Yeah. So anyway, but like I was thinking about it, 526 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,799 I even talked it over with my husband because I was like, she's 527 00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:54,279 gonna know, she's gonna know it's her, and she's gonna be mad. 528 00:33:54,559 --> 00:34:00,599 And the only plausible deniability I have is that, like, well it's well, 529 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,519 So I was thinking, well, maybe she'll think that I get in 530 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,320 arguments and hang up on lots of people, like you know, maybe she'll 531 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,679 go like it kind of like what you're saying though about like oh I think 532 00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:14,440 you know who we're talking about. I mean I could be like, right, 533 00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:15,599 I could be like, you know me, I'm just a I'm just 534 00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:20,079 an overreactive bitch and I just hang up on people. It was totally not 535 00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:24,199 you. I think you're fine because I think right, right, right, 536 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,960 So she doesn't remember it, because we only remember like when we've been really 537 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,159 wronged, right, correct? Yeah? Correct? Would you write a book, 538 00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:36,320 Linette, I don't know. I thought about it, but I don't 539 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,440 know what I would really write about. You have good stories, I guess. 540 00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:45,920 I don't know. I mean maybe when everything the dust settles of everything, 541 00:34:46,559 --> 00:34:50,760 maybe, but I don't know. I thought about it. I don't 542 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:55,199 working in TV. Your family. Yeah, then again then I'm like, 543 00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:59,800 who who would be interested in reading my book? I would, okay, 544 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,760 I read your book? And like, you know what if I was like, 545 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:09,280 I wouldn't, I would thank you. I would read your book. 546 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,440 I mean, I don't think we get to hear like the perspective of like 547 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,079 you know women enough right and like a mom of multiples. I think you 548 00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:20,599 have good stories. And I remember you used to tell not to be like 549 00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:22,559 a devil, but you used to talk about your friend who passed away. 550 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:28,679 Yes, you honestly like you have beautiful stories about that than you and I 551 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:34,000 think's illness yeah, like and your brother's mental Yeah, yeah, I think 552 00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:37,239 those are really I don't know. Well I should look into it. Well, 553 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,199 you got a good take my class. I know I should take Stephanie's 554 00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:44,920 class. I definitely will need Stephanie if I write a book. Okay, 555 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,400 So I want to hear should we take another break? Yeah, let's take 556 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:52,360 a break at more. Okay, Okay, so I'm I'm leading up to 557 00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:59,480 I've heard this story is so good. Um about a special housewife. Oh 558 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,639 my god, I can't wait to hear this. Yeah, saving the best 559 00:36:01,639 --> 00:36:06,039 story for last that that's the best story. Honestly, your mom dying that 560 00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:09,320 was the best story. My mom died was really like the primer for me 561 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,800 to deal with Bethany Frankel. Like, I've only had three panic attacks in 562 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,320 my life, and one of them was from Bethany Frankel, the other one 563 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,199 from my mom dying, and then the other one was when my boss grabbed 564 00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:22,639 me physically. I did tell that story on TikTok recently, and I changed, 565 00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:25,119 like, I changed some of the details, but people messaged me They're 566 00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:29,039 like, I know who it was, where were you working. Um, 567 00:36:29,519 --> 00:36:32,039 I was like, no, I can say I was working prior to this, 568 00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:36,159 Like I was in nonprofit fundraising. I was working for a nonprofit, 569 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,760 a very very reputable nonprofit. My boss was mad at me, and um, 570 00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:45,920 she came to talk to me and she grabbed me by my blazer. 571 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:50,599 Oh my god, And what was that your last day? There? No, 572 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:55,639 it wasn't, I say for two more years she wasn't. She ended 573 00:36:55,679 --> 00:36:59,679 up knobbing my boss again like a couple of months later, but she was. 574 00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:02,960 She's still around. Wow. Wow, anyway, crazy, you can 575 00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:06,800 totally sue for that now, I think you could. I was like, 576 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,039 please don't touch me. God, did you say that? No? I 577 00:37:09,079 --> 00:37:13,960 didn't, because I was It makes for a great story, right exactly. 578 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:21,000 Yeah. So anyway, uh set the scene for you. Okay, I'm 579 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,360 an unhinged TikToker with like you know, I don't have kids, so I 580 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,760 got a lot of time on my hands. Uh, And so I started 581 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,360 watching Bethany Frankel do tiktoks? Have you seen her do TikTok's? No? 582 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,159 I only watch a couple tiktoks. No, but I've seen her do cameo 583 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,719 videos. They're basically cameos, okay, and those are kind of unhinged. 584 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:45,119 Yeah. Basically it's her in her Hampton's closet with like crap lighting, and 585 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,760 she'll like be like this is a loyal lip gloss and it's better than this, 586 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,199 like you know, do your lip gloss and you're like, oh, 587 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,000 okay, well that's nice. And so I was watching all these like makeup 588 00:37:54,039 --> 00:37:57,440 videos that she was doing. Well, I did see a makeup video, 589 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,679 yeah, like a mineral thing. Yeah. So she does these makeup videos 590 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:06,679 in her like you know, bougie yeah, beautiful closet, which is like 591 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:07,519 it is a little odd that the lighting is so bad. I'm like, 592 00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:09,840 you gotta work on the lighting. But anyway, and the reason you're watching 593 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:15,639 Bethany Tiktoks is because I kind of liked her, right, like all them 594 00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:21,719 all right, Yes, she relatable queen on Housewives right, like came on. 595 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,440 She like had the small apartment, she didn't have a husband, she 596 00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:29,239 was scrappy and a hustler. I loved her. I totally related to her. 597 00:38:29,519 --> 00:38:32,519 Yeah, she was like some reason on the show. Right now, 598 00:38:32,559 --> 00:38:37,000 I kind of see things differently, of course, because now I realized that 599 00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:40,159 there was a lot of editing going on to kind of make her the Greek 600 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,800 chorus of the show, right, Like lou Anne would do something kind of 601 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,760 like wild, and then you know, Bethany would be able to be like, 602 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,079 oh, don't you don't have to ask the driver to call you, 603 00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:52,639 you know, missus dayless SEPs or something. You'd be like, yeah, 604 00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:55,360 that's how I would be, right, countess. Right, yeah remember that 605 00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:00,480 fight? Oh yeah, it was great where Blue was like, no, 606 00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:04,719 but I am a countess. Yeah that fight? Yeah, Now, I 607 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,639 would be down for Luanne any day of the week. Right, So I 608 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,960 missed that. At those Housewives, what the hell? I know, I 609 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,239 don't want to Are you watching the new one? Are you going to watch 610 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,719 the new one? I'm not, I know, I don't know all the 611 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:21,639 brand new house was. Yeah, no, they're like too close an age 612 00:39:21,679 --> 00:39:29,960 to me. What does your husband do? So anyway, um, you 613 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,679 know, I thought she was like this relatable queen and no, she wasn't 614 00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:35,159 on TV anymore, but like I read all her books and I had the 615 00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:37,559 Margarita's and you know, like she had built this empire and I thought good 616 00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:39,880 for her. Right in the ex husband kind of seemed like a jerk, 617 00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:45,280 right, yeah, yeah, so Jason happy. Yes he she gets on 618 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:46,519 TikTok, and I'm like, this is kind of fun, this is sort 619 00:39:46,559 --> 00:39:52,320 of interesting. And then I started to feel like, wait a minute, 620 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:59,119 something's not like fully adding up here. I feel like she knows more about 621 00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:00,840 makeup than she's saying, because she'd be like, I know nothing about makeup. 622 00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:04,079 I know nothing about it. I'm in it with you, guys. 623 00:40:04,119 --> 00:40:06,400 I'm just doing it with you guys. I was like, wait a minute, 624 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:12,400 it's quick to the archives, because listen, I never did algebra, 625 00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:16,760 but I know my fucking housewives, okay. And I was like, she 626 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,679 had a beauty line, and so I found it. She had a makeup 627 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,880 line. And she used to make these YouTube videos that I don't know if 628 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,199 they're still up, but they were all still up by the way of like 629 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:30,000 her in her apartment doing her makeup and being like, I love doing my 630 00:40:30,039 --> 00:40:31,360 makeup I think I do it better than a makeup artist some days. And 631 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:36,000 I was like, wait a minute, this does not a line with you 632 00:40:36,199 --> 00:40:40,400 in your Cloudy Hampton's cloth in these videos. This is not like So I 633 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,760 started kind of saying, hey, what's the deal here, And then I 634 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:49,199 just started like double clicking more and more, and I started finding like she 635 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:54,519 has said some pretty bad things, like racist things about Kmartin employees. She's 636 00:40:54,599 --> 00:41:00,320 made some like really not great statements. And then I started reading more about 637 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,960 her skinny girl line. And this is how unhinged I am. I work 638 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,159 at a university, and I went and I typed Bethany Frankel into scholarly journal 639 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:14,519 articles and I found so many like like, there are academics who do research 640 00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:19,519 on Bethany Frankel. Really why I don't know, because they also didn't do 641 00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:22,199 algebra. I don't know. I was like, my people, like who 642 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,840 knew you could do this? Right? So I'm all about i'lbe, you 643 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,719 know, psychology, sociology, whatever she wants to do, Like that's what 644 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,320 she would do in sociology. Yeah, yeah, psycho analyze Bethany Frankel. 645 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:37,599 Yeah, that kind that kind of thing understanding. Like yeah, So I 646 00:41:37,639 --> 00:41:43,000 find these articles that I'm like fascinated by because skinny girl is like I guess, 647 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,840 skinny skinny girl branding is not good, especially for like the people who 648 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:53,119 are struggling with disordered eating, and the National Eating Disorder Association has specifically called 649 00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:59,039 out Bethany and said please change the name of your brand. Oh interesting, 650 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,360 right, and and she won't do it. And so I was like, 651 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:07,239 you're like not so real. You're not this relatable housewife, You're not this 652 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:12,639 like relatable queen. So I just started making tiktoks and then I made another 653 00:42:12,679 --> 00:42:15,639 one and another one. And what were you saying in the TikTok's? Were 654 00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:16,960 you like, well, like I would show like here, like you know, 655 00:42:17,039 --> 00:42:20,159 here's a video where she says, I don't have a I don't know 656 00:42:20,199 --> 00:42:22,679 anything about makeup, And now here's an article from twenty twelve where she's like, 657 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,400 I created a beauty line and I was involved with every facet of it 658 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:30,760 from people mat inturiesting. Just let make your narratives match up. I get 659 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,000 that celebrities have to start brands. I get that they but like you need 660 00:42:34,039 --> 00:42:36,440 to and I mean, you've worked so much on stuff like this. You 661 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,440 have to have consistency in your marketing, consistency in your image. Right, 662 00:42:39,519 --> 00:42:44,400 Like if you say in twenty twelve, I was in depth in this makeup 663 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,280 line, and now you sit in twenty twenty two, twenty twent and you 664 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:51,480 say I know nothing about makeup, it just who wants the truth, right, 665 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,559 that's the truth about the name, and especially when you were showing videos 666 00:42:53,559 --> 00:42:58,639 from then and now, right Okay, So I started doing that fascinating. 667 00:42:58,679 --> 00:43:00,960 Then um, I did what I really love to do, which is like 668 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:05,760 go on the US Trademarks website. It's like my favorite website, and I 669 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,840 look up what celebrities are trademarking, and I know all their little code names, 670 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:14,280 like if I want to look up like Kim Kardashian, Kim's a princess. 671 00:43:14,679 --> 00:43:20,000 That's her name on the US Trademarks. Oh wow, And like Chloe's 672 00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:23,480 is like bad girl Chloe. Oh god, because they made them back like 673 00:43:23,639 --> 00:43:28,960 in the Rayja days. Right, Okay, So I find that Bethany has 674 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:34,199 trademarked it's a scam, and I'm like, but that's what she keeps yelling 675 00:43:34,199 --> 00:43:37,119 in the closet. She keeps being like, don't buy this makeup. It's 676 00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:39,360 a scam. I know nothing about makeup. It's a scam. She had 677 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:44,880 trademarked it's a scam long before she got on TikTok, And I was like, 678 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,280 this was ow of the plan, right, Like she was like, 679 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,920 I'm going to come up with an organic phrase I'm gonna start saying it all 680 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,639 the time and then I'm going to develop a whole line based around it. 681 00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:57,440 Because she had trademarked it in like podcasts and T shirts and all this kind 682 00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,119 of stuff. Whatever, that's fine, Like, honestly, that's fine. 683 00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:05,039 So I showed it and she didn't take well to that one. So it 684 00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:07,960 got back to her. That one got back to her, and someone contacted 685 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,320 me and they said, listen, I want to let you know that I 686 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,599 think she's going to send you a season desist. And I was like for 687 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,360 what, and they were like, it's the trademark video. And I was 688 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,360 like okay, and I have just started revealing that piece of the story because 689 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,079 people are always like, how do you know the trademark videos? Like, 690 00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:27,360 oh, I just knew. I just knew. Someone told me like, 691 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,039 we're like, you're probably gonna get one, and it's about the trademark video. 692 00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:34,519 So sure enough, I get the season to desist on like Friday at 693 00:44:34,519 --> 00:44:36,719 two pm, because that's when they always send them. They send them at 694 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,760 Friday at two o'clock and it says you're not allowed to say her name, 695 00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:43,880 you're not allowed to talk about her, you're not allowed to show photo of 696 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,800 her. You don't have permission to talk about Bethany Frankel. And if you 697 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:54,039 tell anyone that we sent you a season desist, you will be breaking confidentiality 698 00:44:54,079 --> 00:45:00,320 with Bethany Frankel and you will be subject to further legal damages. Now listen, 699 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:06,199 what the I didn't take algebra too, but I so, I know 700 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:10,239 my shit. I was like, I don't have an NDA with Bethany len 701 00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:15,679 right, that's crazy saying that I can't tell anyone about this, It said 702 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:20,320 unless it's your paid legal counsel. Like, how am I going to go 703 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,079 up against Bethany Frankel and her lawyers? So I was like, I have 704 00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:27,880 two options here. I can, like, you know, try to figure 705 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,639 this out with an attorney, or I can just make a TikTok video down 706 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:37,599 up, here's what's up. So yeah, I doubled down. Wow, 707 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,880 I was like, guess what, just got a cease and desist. And 708 00:45:43,039 --> 00:45:49,800 she didn't like that either, and she proceeded to film a series of videos 709 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,840 in her bathrobe in a hotel that were like, if you want to take 710 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,440 a shot at me, you better be ready. I was like, whoa, 711 00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,960 whoa, Okay, that's what's going on here? Maybe I should have 712 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:07,280 called the lawyer. But eventually she ended up taking those videos down. Yeah, 713 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,079 I was able to swallow again. Um, and things kind of worked 714 00:46:10,119 --> 00:46:14,039 out. I ended up. I did end up contacting a lawyer and he 715 00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:15,239 was like, well, what's the deal, Like, do you care about 716 00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,480 taking down this video? I was like not really, And so I took 717 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:23,079 down that one video and I never heard from her again. Wow, interesting 718 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:31,880 shit, and yeah, that's crazy. All I'm gonna say is I don't 719 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,920 know the validity of them, but I've gotten lots of d ms about what 720 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,800 it's like to know her and work with her, and it's not good. 721 00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:44,719 Yeah, I figured that. That's wow. Her cameos are like, yeah, 722 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,960 tell us about her kids. So when cameo first kind of started and 723 00:46:47,519 --> 00:46:51,800 uh. And I went on cameo like on a whim, you know. 724 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,920 I was like looking at other I was kind of studying other people's cameo videos, 725 00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:00,239 like what are they doing? Are they are they putting on all their 726 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:01,639 makeup? Are they like, you know, are they setting this up? 727 00:47:01,679 --> 00:47:06,719 And I came across Bethany's and oh my god, this is the most low 728 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:12,800 effort cameos you've ever seen. She literally like rolls over. She's in bed, 729 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,199 like she's just woke up in the morning, right, so she's fairly 730 00:47:15,199 --> 00:47:20,679 seeing up. She's like like kind of laying in bed, and it's like 731 00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,960 with her raccoon eyes, Oh my god, with no makeup because she just 732 00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:25,480 in the morning, and she just she looks. I mean, I'm just 733 00:47:25,519 --> 00:47:30,239 sorry, but I'm gonna say she looks horrible, like you know, just 734 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,239 and I mean I would look horrible too. First thing, I look horrible 735 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,519 now, but I'm just saying she she you know, her hair, like 736 00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:40,039 she hasn't even like combed her hair. And then the videos are all about 737 00:47:40,119 --> 00:47:44,920 like how much the person loves her, right, Like it's it's not even 738 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:49,000 it's like, oh, um, so this is a video for Meredith. 739 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,119 So Meredith, I hear you love me so much. I hear you love 740 00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:59,000 skinny girl. I got um your friends said that you are just like the 741 00:47:59,039 --> 00:48:02,480 biggest fan of mine and you have been watching You've watched every season of housewives 742 00:48:02,519 --> 00:48:07,039 because you love me so much. And I'm just like, that's so great, 743 00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:09,639 how much you love me? Like that's so sweet, Like, wow, 744 00:48:09,679 --> 00:48:14,960 you just really love me, And um, I guess you also love 745 00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:19,000 like just my lifestyle brand stuff and like, um, some of the videos 746 00:48:19,039 --> 00:48:21,599 I do. I guess you follow my videos. I guess you love my 747 00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,840 Hampton, my closet and the Hamptons. So anyway, thank you. Next 748 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:30,000 and then the next one is just the same. Oh hi, Like she 749 00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:34,559 barely even gets to like that it's the person's birthday or what, or she'll 750 00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:37,440 just be like, anyway, happy birthday. Oh my gosh, I'm so 751 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:43,199 glad you love me so much, and it's it's the most pretty good are 752 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,239 like, hey, my friend loves you, and people people love earth. 753 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:50,719 They think she's like the real deal. And it's cameo jes for because I 754 00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,000 just went on it too. I was just looking through it. And is 755 00:48:53,039 --> 00:48:57,559 it for just for people to give shout out? People pay you to give 756 00:48:57,559 --> 00:49:00,320 a shout out? Yeah, okay, so they don't do like make up 757 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,199 to dorioles or other things. No, no, no, it's just it's 758 00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:07,360 supposed to be you pay, you buy somebody a cameo, and that you 759 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,360 tell the person what message you want. So like, I mean, I 760 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,960 try to do it. If somebody's like a fan of for crying out loud, 761 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,679 I try to go like, let's say it's somebody's birthday, they'll give 762 00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:20,719 you information. They'll be like, uh, this person's husband, you know, 763 00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:23,840 Um, you know Jack is buying a cameo for his wife, Jill. 764 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,239 I want you to tell her like, Jill, she's been a fan 765 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,679 of your show forever and she's turning forty and like she's just yeah, I 766 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:35,679 guess I just I just went on there looking for Sonny's birthday. I wanted 767 00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:39,519 to see if Steven A. Smith, he's a sports guy comment or commentary, 768 00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:43,639 he's not on there but for his birthday. So then I took a 769 00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:45,280 deep dive and I was like, oh, I should be on cameo. 770 00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:50,119 He should. Yeah you should do them together too. You guys could just 771 00:49:50,119 --> 00:49:52,480 like bang them out here. Yeah we should. Okay, we could totally 772 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:59,159 do it together. But so you're supposed to incorporate the information that you get 773 00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:04,480 because it's for another person. They're paying you to go like, Hey, 774 00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:07,519 your husband just wants you to know, like what an awesome mom you are 775 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:09,559 and he said that, like you know, you are the one that gets 776 00:50:09,639 --> 00:50:13,440 up with the kids at six am. Like you can say a lot of 777 00:50:13,519 --> 00:50:15,719 things about the person, and then I might be like, you know, 778 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,840 what you know, who else wants to say hi to you? Peepo or 779 00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,920 whatever you can take incorporate. You know who goes get really personal? Cody 780 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:28,519 Brown. Do you guys watch Sister Wives? No? God, that guy 781 00:50:28,599 --> 00:50:31,880 from Sister Wives? Okay? Oh him, Yeah, if he put that 782 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:37,559 amount of time into like any of those marriages, he's legit. Like in 783 00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:39,840 the shower, he's like you want um, you said you like my hair, 784 00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:44,320 so I just wanted to show you like my routine, Like yeah, 785 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,800 this man is putting in the like it's like fifty bucks. I bought one 786 00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:52,800 once from do you remember David and Annie from Day I bought one that those 787 00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:57,840 two delivered like I bet like they were like recreating scenes about the water buffalo, 788 00:50:58,119 --> 00:51:00,079 Like, oh that's hilarious. So that's the thing you have to order 789 00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:04,159 from the people who have like a sense of humor about right, right right? 790 00:51:04,679 --> 00:51:07,159 Yeah, well you would think Bethany would have a sense of humor. 791 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,519 I want the fact that she just makes it all about herself, which doesn't 792 00:51:10,519 --> 00:51:15,519 really surprise me. I mean, she's a huge narcissist, but I love 793 00:51:15,639 --> 00:51:19,239 that you called her out. That's the best I'm going to try to put 794 00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,639 on a on a Bethany cameo if I could fight it really quick, I'm 795 00:51:22,639 --> 00:51:29,239 literally on mys She has an opinion about everyone, and she always has and 796 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:30,400 so it's like, you know, not to be like one of those people. 797 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:34,519 But it's like freedom of speech. Man, Oh yeah, definitely. 798 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,079 Well, if I want to talk shit about Bethany Frankel, I should be 799 00:51:37,079 --> 00:51:40,000 able to talk to you about Bethanny Frankel. Yes, yeah, wow, 800 00:51:40,119 --> 00:51:45,119 that's amazing. What about any other Have you didn't tiktoks about other people and 801 00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:49,079 they've come after you? Or or well I did, haven't. I did 802 00:51:49,199 --> 00:51:53,920 have a little incident with Yneth Paltrow? You did little incident? What happened? 803 00:51:54,400 --> 00:52:01,159 Okay? So basically I made a video making fun of Gwyneth Paltrow and 804 00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,679 I wasn't even good for that bad yeah, right, Like basically what I 805 00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:09,039 was saying is like she goes on things and basically she's plugging goop right on 806 00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:13,960 web site or whatever. And so I made a video and it ended up 807 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,880 on Entertainment Tonight where they said they were going to say my name, but 808 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,239 they just call me a TikTok girl. But since like I'm firmly in my 809 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,280 thirties, I was like, you know what, I'll take it. I 810 00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,519 did look like shit, though, so I really shouldn't make fun of the 811 00:52:25,519 --> 00:52:29,920 cameos. They didn't say your name, they didn't say my name they said 812 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:34,159 they would. But anyway, I'll just say this because it's still it's still 813 00:52:34,199 --> 00:52:40,159 out there. After that happened, somebody who does business with her sent me 814 00:52:40,159 --> 00:52:46,800 messages on Instagram like just ripping me to shreds. Oh god, I can 815 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:51,360 tell you're intelligent, and that's why I find it like so shocking that you're 816 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,960 such a pos you you know, sit around and talk shit about people all 817 00:52:55,079 --> 00:52:58,320 day. I mean, I put up videos about it. It's still out 818 00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,239 there. So they sent me this and then I found out that they were 819 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:08,119 funded by Bethidy what sorry sorry. I was like, this is a major 820 00:53:09,199 --> 00:53:15,360 that they were found funded partially by Gwyneth's Yeah wow, Oh my god. 821 00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,119 So she has like attack dogs. So I made a video and I was 822 00:53:17,159 --> 00:53:21,320 like, hey, I'm not going to reveal who you are just yet, 823 00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,800 but if you don't issue me an apology in the next day or so, 824 00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:31,119 I will be sharing oh wow. And let's just say that the apology didn't 825 00:53:31,119 --> 00:53:38,360 come in fast enough. But now this person has apologized, accept their apology. 826 00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,280 So you did a video, you did release a video about them? 827 00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,440 Yeah, Oh my god, what am I gonna do? Listen, I 828 00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:49,280 didn't speak up for myself in the eighth grade, so I'm speaking up now 829 00:53:50,599 --> 00:53:57,000 TikTok like Meredith m Lynch Meredith. But like, here's the thing that's not 830 00:53:57,159 --> 00:54:00,519 fair, right, you know what I mean? Like Gwyneth Paltrow's huge, 831 00:54:00,519 --> 00:54:02,920 and she's famous, and she has like more money than anyone can ever imagine. 832 00:54:04,199 --> 00:54:07,360 So part of the deal of being that rich and famous is that you 833 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,960 gotta put up with like people making funny yes, of course, have a 834 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,840 sense of humor about yourself. And I don't even think she cares. I 835 00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,760 think it was more just like somebody felt defensive of her. But it's like 836 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,559 if you want to take money from that, then you're just going to have 837 00:54:21,639 --> 00:54:24,079 to deal with like exactly someone might make a funny of TikTok video about your 838 00:54:24,119 --> 00:54:29,400 friend. Yea, all right, so go follow Meredith on TikTok. And 839 00:54:29,519 --> 00:54:37,079 also Meredith is going to stay and do Patreons another story that can't be on 840 00:54:37,159 --> 00:54:40,320 the Regular Show that she told us ahead of time about what it's about, 841 00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:45,880 and It's gonna be good. Yes yeah. Check us out on paonith. 842 00:54:47,199 --> 00:54:52,000 This has been awesome. I love you, Come anytime yep. All right, 843 00:54:52,119 --> 00:55:05,679 Go back to yesterday's Patreon and check it out. Yes I and letting Go hm