WEBVTT 1 00:00:09.679 --> 00:00:12.880 Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Weillish, your host, 2 00:00:13.400 --> 00:00:16.480 and we have a great guest tonight. Am really looking forward to this. 3 00:00:17.760 --> 00:00:22.800 I do want to tell you a number of people have written me asking me 4 00:00:22.879 --> 00:00:27.640 how Alejandro Rojas is. He's doing fine, just to let everyone know. 5 00:00:27.679 --> 00:00:30.679 He's just been really busy, a lot of changes going on, but he 6 00:00:30.800 --> 00:00:33.240 is doing absolutely fine. He was actually going to be on the show this 7 00:00:33.320 --> 00:00:39.960 evening and he is traveling for Thanksgiving, and speaking of that, I want 8 00:00:39.960 --> 00:00:44.719 to wish everyone out there happy Thanksgiving, and if you celebrate here in America, 9 00:00:45.320 --> 00:00:49.200 it's a wonderful holiday. I think families get together, eat turkey, 10 00:00:49.280 --> 00:00:53.560 and hopefully do not talk about politics and just have a really good visit with 11 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:59.000 each other. And our guest tonight. I'm real excited Bryce Zabel. We 12 00:00:59.159 --> 00:01:03.799 had a brief interview with him out in Phoenix a few years ago. Tonight 13 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:07.159 we got him for the whole show, so I'm pretty excited about that. 14 00:01:07.239 --> 00:01:10.359 And what a background he has. We'll talk about that, but in the 15 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:18.680 film industry he is incredible and incredible background and has written a lot of wonderful 16 00:01:18.719 --> 00:01:22.760 things, and he has a lot of things on his plate at all times, 17 00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:26.040 A very active guy and a lot of fun. Welcome to the show. 18 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:30.359 Bryce, It's great to be with you, Martin. Thanks for having 19 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:34.319 me on. Yeah, let's see you. Like I said, you have 20 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:38.159 so much going on all the time out there, and you're having fun. 21 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:42.519 I remember you and I had a conversation and you mentioned something along the lines 22 00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:46.599 of your wife saying, hey, you know, you could do as a 23 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:51.040 good a job as someone else on this Why don't you see if you can 24 00:01:51.079 --> 00:01:55.159 write a screenplay? Right? Isn't that how that how I got started it? 25 00:01:55.319 --> 00:01:57.640 Yeah? Yeah, I thought you were going to say my wife said 26 00:01:57.840 --> 00:02:00.439 you could do as good a job as that. Martin wanted you just do 27 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:04.760 a podcast, which I could not do. I could not do as good 28 00:02:04.760 --> 00:02:07.959 a job as you, So forget that now. But that actually is what 29 00:02:07.039 --> 00:02:14.560 happened years ago. When I first came to LA I was the CNN correspondent, 30 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:20.120 and as things go on, shows get canceled, the guy that hired 31 00:02:20.159 --> 00:02:23.520 me got fired. I ended up having to look for work, and and 32 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:27.400 that's when I realized, well, you know, I could be like one 33 00:02:27.439 --> 00:02:31.680 of these itinerant news guys, just blowing from town to town and who knows 34 00:02:31.719 --> 00:02:35.560 what that life would have been like. But my wife said, well, 35 00:02:35.879 --> 00:02:39.080 maybe you should try writing a screenplay. And I'd never written a screenplay before. 36 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:42.919 I said, I don't even know what it looks like. It wasn't 37 00:02:42.960 --> 00:02:45.759 like there was an internet to look at it on. This is how long 38 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:50.520 ago it was. But I got a hold of one on Hollywood Boulevard, 39 00:02:50.599 --> 00:02:53.039 looked at it. Thought, doesn't have a lot of adjectives and adverbs in 40 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:57.680 it, kind of like TV news probably can do that. That's what I 41 00:02:57.719 --> 00:03:01.319 did. Ah wow, Wow, someone just said I look haggard. I 42 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:06.039 need a vacation. That was a nice message to get. I don't know 43 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:09.840 were they talking, because somebody else I saw the first commented think was something 44 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:15.680 about did the guy have facial surgery? Or is that photoshop? I presumed 45 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:19.719 they're talking about me, and it is an older photo, so there is 46 00:03:19.759 --> 00:03:22.800 that. Well, there is a reason I do a podcast. That's audio. 47 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:25.599 Listen. I'm happy to be here, and in fact, I was 48 00:03:25.639 --> 00:03:30.960 thrilled. I'm trying a new little light on and my light over there seems 49 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:35.280 to be shining properly. All is good with the world. Let's talk. 50 00:03:35.360 --> 00:03:38.639 That's right. That's right, and you're out in Uh, you're out in 51 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:42.840 fire country out there, How I am. How's that been this year? 52 00:03:44.199 --> 00:03:46.319 Well, I sort of sell, Well, to back up last year, 53 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:52.159 it wasn't good at all. Last year I was evacuated, remember that the 54 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:55.800 fires were blowing through my town on the way and down to Malibu. Um, 55 00:03:57.560 --> 00:04:02.719 many of my friends were affected. It was a terrible and horrible situation. 56 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:09.039 This year, i'd actually gone to Phoenix for a couple of days to 57 00:04:09.159 --> 00:04:13.719 visit my daughter, and while I was there that we started getting all these 58 00:04:13.719 --> 00:04:15.920 fire warnings. So I just stayed another week, so I call it a 59 00:04:15.959 --> 00:04:19.839 self evacuation. As it turns out, the fires didn't burn through here, 60 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:26.279 but they could. And you know, it's just not a Southern California problem 61 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:30.240 though anymore. Now we're having fires everywhere. In a few weeks, I'm 62 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:35.639 going to be doing some traveling and I'll be going to Australia among other places. 63 00:04:35.720 --> 00:04:41.279 And you know Australia is on fire right right, so serious this kind 64 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:46.079 of stuff happens. I'm I'm happy to hear that our weather forecast says it's 65 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:50.560 going to rain for Thanksgiving. And that's not usually something that you get excited 66 00:04:50.560 --> 00:04:55.079 about, but down here it is right, right, Yeah, yeah, 67 00:04:55.120 --> 00:04:59.480 I know it's it's doesn't seem like it's going to be getting any better anytime 68 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:03.480 soon. Uh. You know, I moved out of California in twenty ten 69 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:09.000 or twenty and eleven in northern California. But still they're even you know, 70 00:05:09.040 --> 00:05:13.959 they're they're threatened up. That's that's where paradise happened last you know, and 71 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:17.879 that was horrible. I mean, uh no, it's gonna be with us 72 00:05:17.879 --> 00:05:21.920 for a while, but we have to change. Uh certainly, we have 73 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:25.319 changed some of our habits. I'll tell you one of the things we did 74 00:05:25.399 --> 00:05:30.600 just right immediately after we were evacuated last year, my wife and I each 75 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:38.560 bought a top level scanner that could scan photos fast and uh documents, and 76 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:42.759 we just started scanning our office and our lives up because that the most horrible 77 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:46.800 thing about the evacuation last year was we hadn't done any of that. We 78 00:05:46.839 --> 00:05:49.800 didn't know where anything was, and you know, you get five minutes to 79 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:55.879 get out, and there's not really time to grab a photo album or two. 80 00:05:55.920 --> 00:05:59.040 And I just didn't want this year. If I lost my house, 81 00:05:59.079 --> 00:06:02.720 I didn't want to lose my memories. So we scanned up a bunch of 82 00:06:02.759 --> 00:06:06.920 stuff and we're better. Also, you have a suitcase ready to go when 83 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:12.480 the time comes. You have your cars full of gas in case you need 84 00:06:12.519 --> 00:06:15.120 to go. So, you know, we start to do that. But 85 00:06:15.240 --> 00:06:17.480 a lot of us here where I'm living, you know, we have multiple 86 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:20.839 things to worry about. We have the earthquake to worry about. We have 87 00:06:20.920 --> 00:06:25.439 fires to worry about. We have floods to worry about when it rains after 88 00:06:25.480 --> 00:06:30.079 the fires, and yet it's still and yet sometimes it feels like paradise here. 89 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:32.480 So oh yeah, yeah, that's the good. Yeah. When the 90 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:35.279 weather is beautiful out there, you just can't beat it. It's just it's 91 00:06:35.319 --> 00:06:41.399 just nothing like it. But anyway, um, I want you to you 92 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:46.399 did a series. We talked about it in the last time briefly, but 93 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:51.279 Dark Skies that was that was a real interesting one. Can you tell how 94 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:56.480 you get involved in that? Well, you know, it's it's funny. 95 00:06:56.639 --> 00:07:00.399 Um. I look, it was the greatest u rative experience of my career. 96 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:06.279 I really really enjoyed it. It was obviously the most important UFO project 97 00:07:06.040 --> 00:07:10.560 that I've done. Although I've talked about it a lot over the years, 98 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:16.319 but my partner on that Brent Freedman and I literally at the time we created 99 00:07:16.360 --> 00:07:20.720 that, which now is over two decades in the past, so it's not 100 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:25.920 like a contemporary credit, but it sort of has like a good wine. 101 00:07:25.959 --> 00:07:30.120 It's even improved with age, because it was prescient about a few things that 102 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:33.839 needed to be talked about. But what Brent and I thought at the time, 103 00:07:34.399 --> 00:07:40.399 because I was just really starting to bring my game up on the topic 104 00:07:40.439 --> 00:07:43.480 of UFO, so I knew enough to be dangerous, but I also knew 105 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:46.519 a lot about the Kennedy assassination, and we thought, well, these are 106 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:53.199 the two great conspiracy theories of our time. What if we put him in 107 00:07:53.279 --> 00:07:58.199 an atom collider and let him go boom and see what happens. So we 108 00:07:58.519 --> 00:08:05.600 made a television series that in essence is all about John Kennedy being killed because 109 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:09.319 he was going to tell the truth about UFOs in his second term, which 110 00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:13.720 is one of the craziest things to get on television on a broadcast network back 111 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:18.279 then, And yet we did it. And at the time that we did 112 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:22.279 it, we thought it was pretty much an original idea. Now you read 113 00:08:22.360 --> 00:08:26.639 more and more about it, partly because we encouraged it into the zeitgeist. 114 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:31.960 But I think there were other I think Behold a Pale Horse that book mentioned 115 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:35.879 it. I didn't know it at the time, but I've since seen it. 116 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:41.080 Anyway, So apropos of some of the things we might want to talk 117 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:46.960 about today, because I think it's really an important way to look at the 118 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:50.559 UFO question. What we decided to ask ourselves is, Okay, let's go 119 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:56.080 back to nineteen forty seven. We know that Kenneth Arnold pretty much saw what 120 00:08:56.159 --> 00:09:01.519 he saw but could have been anything. Do we believe Roswell? Do we 121 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:07.559 believe that Roswell was an event that included the crash of something that was not 122 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:13.480 made by the United States or the Soviet Union, And we thought, we 123 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:16.320 do believe that. So then we we sort of jumped ahead and said, 124 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:22.039 if that was true and we believe it is, then the fact that we 125 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:26.000 weren't talking about it in the fifties or the sixties, or the seventies or 126 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:31.360 the eighties means that somebody else was talking about it. And we thought, 127 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:35.679 let's shine the light on the people who would be talking about that in the 128 00:09:35.799 --> 00:09:41.080 nineteen sixties. So we built a series around Majestic twelve, and you know, 129 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:46.399 with Roswell as the source that informed it all and that's kind of the 130 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:48.600 birth of Dark Skies. Yeah, wow, that's great. Well you think 131 00:09:48.639 --> 00:09:54.080 about it. You know, no one really talked about Roswell, you know, 132 00:09:54.279 --> 00:09:58.039 shortly after it happened, and then all the way up until you know, 133 00:09:58.120 --> 00:10:01.799 Stan Freeman kind of cracked it open again when he spoke with Um, 134 00:10:03.320 --> 00:10:07.240 Jesse Marcel Ye Jesse Marcel Well in fact, you know, um uh. 135 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:13.159 First of all, Um, shout out to Stan Friedman, who's left us 136 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:20.399 this year a tremendous influence and uphology. Great guy. Um. I literally 137 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:24.720 optioned Stan's book back during Dark Skies, his top secret magic book, and 138 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:28.519 I wasn't able to set it up at the time, but I revisited it 139 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:33.200 a few years back and reoptioned it plus his life rights, plus h John 140 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:39.399 Schmidt's life rights plus John Schmidt's book Witnessed to Roswell and sort of did the 141 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:43.679 old Adam Clyder thing again and put them into an Adam Clyder and to tell 142 00:10:43.720 --> 00:10:48.120 a story about the race to break the Roswell's story. And I got to 143 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:54.840 know Stanton quite well, and here you know he uh. For those people 144 00:10:54.840 --> 00:10:56.759 who have heard him speak on the circuit. After a while, you sort 145 00:10:56.799 --> 00:11:00.679 of, you know, you got the stand stories down. But what was 146 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:03.840 great for me is I was able to sit him in a chair and like 147 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:09.399 pin him down for over thirty hours of talks where he'd start to tell me 148 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:13.039 one of the stories that you might hear in the lecture and I'd go, 149 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:16.000 yeah, I know that story, but and then I would take him back 150 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:20.519 to something else, and I really got to know him on a personal level, 151 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:26.399 and also some of his professional thoughts that didn't as often get widely shared. 152 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:31.480 And I really enjoyed that relationship. That movie is still alive. We're 153 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:33.440 trying to find a way to get it. It's just, you know what, 154 00:11:33.799 --> 00:11:37.919 it's just hard to make make anything. Even though there's more production going 155 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:43.720 on, it's hard. And the UFO topic has its own set of rules 156 00:11:45.080 --> 00:11:48.440 here in Hollywood, just like you know, you'd imagine some people are able 157 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:52.679 from time to time to pierce that veil. I hope to be one of 158 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:56.759 them on some of these projects you mentioned, but it's not always easy and 159 00:11:56.840 --> 00:12:01.879 it's not always a straight line. So what do you envisioned something with Stan 160 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:07.559 Freeman's information? What are you envisioning on creating is it something you said, 161 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:11.639 you put it in with Don Schmidt's work. Yeah, that here's what I 162 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:16.159 thought that was so intriguing. I sort of stumbled across this, Uh, 163 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:20.840 you know, during my travels, if you will, I've been reading all 164 00:12:20.840 --> 00:12:24.799 the stuff that Stan and Don had published over the years, and what was 165 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:30.240 interesting to me. In the nineties these guys were in basically a shooting war 166 00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:33.519 with each other. I mean Stan would publish an article and Don would snipe 167 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:37.600 at it, and then stand with snipe at Don's article, and people were 168 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:41.600 picking sides in everything, and I just thought, well, that's that's kind 169 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:46.720 of intriguing, because it's probably hard enough to prove that UFOs are real, 170 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:50.879 and then when you have to fight each other, that just is doubling down 171 00:12:50.879 --> 00:12:54.600 on the difficulty factor, which I think is still true of you followed you 172 00:12:54.639 --> 00:12:58.559 today. I mean absolutely the mirror talk. You know, bring up Tom 173 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:01.960 DeLong. You'll get pros and cons that kind of thing. So here's the 174 00:13:03.039 --> 00:13:05.279 thing that just made me as a writer. They'll respond to it. It 175 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:09.720 turns out that and I don't know the exact year, I think it might 176 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:13.519 have been ninety four, but one of the funding sources that Stan and Don 177 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:20.159 had each gone to to help fund their research trips to Roswell to talk to 178 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:26.840 and interview witnesses. This funding group said, well, will fund another trip, 179 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:31.240 but you guys need to work together, and so Stan and Don took 180 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:37.279 this legendary trip to interview Roswell witnesses in the nineties, even when they were 181 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:43.159 busy in the public sphere attacking each other as ne'er do wells who didn't know 182 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:46.559 anything about anything. So I just thought it was very funny. It's like, 183 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:50.759 it's like I thought it was the spoonful of sugar way to tell the 184 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:56.200 Roswell story, to sort of deflect and let people focus on the charm of 185 00:13:56.240 --> 00:14:01.519 the two characters having to share a motel when they basically are fighting, and 186 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:05.559 you know, and you know, Don always comes across as the guy with 187 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:11.960 the beautifully the nice suit, with this tie perfectly tied, and Stan looks 188 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:16.320 a little disheveled, right, so you can imagine in the hotel room what 189 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:18.679 that might have been like. So anyway, built that around that, and 190 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:24.600 that project, which has had to be retitled. It's now called the Crash, 191 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:28.279 and we are actively trying to get that made. So yeah, wow, 192 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:33.120 that's fascinating. That'll be exciting if you do that. Well, you 193 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:35.919 know, I almost Here's the thing. We talked about it before we went 194 00:14:35.960 --> 00:14:39.240 on. It's part of me wants to tell everybody about these things that I'm 195 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:41.679 working on, because you know, I'm a writer, producer, and I 196 00:14:41.720 --> 00:14:46.559 get excited and I want to talk about the things that excite me and the 197 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:48.559 things i'm working on, the things i'm writing about. But then the other 198 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:52.759 part is nothing ever happens. Right. This is Hollywood. It's it's hard 199 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:58.519 to raise money. Sure, it's hard to make a film about UFOs because 200 00:14:58.120 --> 00:15:01.799 the people who I give you the money have their own way of looking at 201 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:05.279 it, and they may not look at it the same way you look at 202 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:07.799 it. So it gets really hard. And I don't like to go on 203 00:15:07.039 --> 00:15:11.639 your show and talk about something. And then, you know, I always 204 00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:15.360 get this because I'm sure it'll happen again today we're talking about it right now, 205 00:15:15.559 --> 00:15:18.360 and somebody will write me an email saying, now, where what theaters 206 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:22.840 can I see your movie in? Right now? And uh, well, 207 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:26.159 basically the answer is you can't. The movie's not made. We're trying to 208 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:30.759 get it made, and believe me, when it is made, I'll probably 209 00:15:30.759 --> 00:15:33.039 come to your house and tell you what theater you can watch it. Well, 210 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:35.559 there's a lot of moving parts of these type of things when it comes 211 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:39.720 to anything like that, as you know, and you know I've I've done 212 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:45.559 it several screen tests and have been involved in some pictures for you know, 213 00:15:45.639 --> 00:15:48.679 in the antiques world, not in the in the UFO world, but for 214 00:15:48.799 --> 00:15:52.879 different shows. And you know, they may even make a pilot, but 215 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:56.440 to actually get something launched and going, there's a that's a that's a long 216 00:15:56.519 --> 00:16:00.919 process. And there's a few make it too. It's it's it's very true. 217 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:07.799 Although here's the interesting thing. I've been lucky. I've had five primetime 218 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:12.200 series that I created get on the air, and they all happened relatively fast 219 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:15.080 on top of each other, and I got to the place where I thought, 220 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:18.080 wow, this is great, so you just write a script and they 221 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:23.039 make a television series about it. But you know, that was just sort 222 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:29.519 of my early run of luck. And then you run into the real world 223 00:16:29.559 --> 00:16:33.759 again, you know, and you know, you go, it's all percentages. 224 00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:38.360 You know, many many writers have written dozens, if not a hundred, 225 00:16:38.399 --> 00:16:41.559 pilots in their lives, you know, and never had any of them 226 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:45.440 made or they hadn't made it, but they didn't get ordered. It's a 227 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:49.080 series. Now. I also have kind of another life. I was the 228 00:16:49.159 --> 00:16:53.639 chairman of the Television Academy, the people to give out the Emmy Awards for 229 00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:57.399 a couple of years, notably during nine to eleven when we had to cancel 230 00:16:57.480 --> 00:17:04.079 them. But the interesting thing is television is exploding exponentially. There were eleven 231 00:17:04.119 --> 00:17:08.319 thousand members when I ran the organization, and it was at CEO back in 232 00:17:08.359 --> 00:17:14.279 two thousand and three, and now there are twenty five thousand, all right, 233 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:18.880 So that's a pretty explosive growth. The amount of television series just that, 234 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:22.799 you know, not even quite a decade ago, was something like two 235 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:26.960 hundred plus and now it's like four hundred and seventy eight or some number like 236 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:33.519 that. So we're in an explosion of material that's being made. And yet 237 00:17:33.160 --> 00:17:37.119 you would you would think that it would make it easy to get other new 238 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:41.680 material and other ideas in there, but it's actually not that way because they 239 00:17:42.319 --> 00:17:48.000 the streaming services. There is no streaming service that wants to say, yeah, 240 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:52.279 bring us the stuff that Netflix wouldn't buy. You know, nobody feels 241 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:55.920 like that they're like, hey, we only want to hear from you if 242 00:17:56.000 --> 00:18:00.319 you've got a top actor attached or something like that. So it's just as 243 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:03.559 hard as it ever was. But the difference is even more people are playing 244 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:07.480 in the game. So I don't know, I don't know what that is 245 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:12.160 for all of us, other than I'm trying to use the sheer numbers and 246 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:15.680 the fact I've been doing this for a few years to get a few UFO 247 00:18:15.799 --> 00:18:21.720 themed projects, you know, out there, because I think the time, 248 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:25.720 I mean, we'll probably talk about this, but the time could never be 249 00:18:25.720 --> 00:18:32.480 better to try to bring a few fact based alien pieces, because you know, 250 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:36.359 not everything has to be an alien invasion. Not everything has to be 251 00:18:36.400 --> 00:18:41.119 an alien on board a spacecraft that's eating people one by one. Sometimes there 252 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:45.279 are great cases, like the Roswell case that should be explored properly. And 253 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:49.240 another thing I have under option is the Captured book, also by Stan Freedman, 254 00:18:49.319 --> 00:18:52.880 but with Kathy Martin, which is about the Embarney Hill, which I 255 00:18:53.880 --> 00:19:00.000 really think I hope to get lucky soon with that because I just think there's 256 00:19:00.039 --> 00:19:06.000 just not a better case. It's all about the first. It's the first 257 00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:08.759 people that claimed abduction here in the United States. It's the first people that 258 00:19:08.839 --> 00:19:12.319 had missing time. It's the first people that got hypnotized. I mean, 259 00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:17.799 it's a great case and all that. And they're dealing with racism and an 260 00:19:17.799 --> 00:19:22.720 interracial marriage. So that's right. It's got another thing you mentioned just about 261 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:25.599 two and a half minutes. We have to go to break here. But 262 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:29.920 another thing you mentioned is, you know, the different ways to get things 263 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:33.039 out there, and there's so many ways to get something out there. You 264 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:37.759 look back, you know years ago when we you and I were both young, 265 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:41.440 there was like five channels, and then so many people watching those five 266 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:45.480 channels. And now it's spread out. I mean our populations higher, yes, 267 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:49.519 and all that, but everything is spread out. You have less viewership 268 00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:56.680 with so much going on in so many ways to access. Let's cycle that 269 00:19:56.720 --> 00:20:02.160 back to the Dark Sky's scenario. The numbers, the ratings that Dark Skies 270 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:07.599 had on a Saturday night where we basically got no promotion and we kept getting 271 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:11.160 pre emptied and things like that. Yet the numbers that we had there would 272 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:15.920 have made us a super hit on almost any streaming service. Right now. 273 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:19.359 We were we were no, I don't I can't remember if we won our 274 00:20:19.400 --> 00:20:25.400 time slot. We did a few times, but the numbers that used to 275 00:20:25.480 --> 00:20:32.119 exist in a three network universe were huge, And now you can have a 276 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:36.039 hit, you know, every most of your friends probably have heard of Breaking 277 00:20:36.079 --> 00:20:38.359 Bad, but I guarantee you not everyone has. There's lots of people that 278 00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:41.680 would go, yeah, I don't, I don't, I never heard. 279 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:45.000 Maybe I heard something about that. So we've lost the ability that we used 280 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:48.279 to have when there were three networks, where literally you go to work the 281 00:20:48.319 --> 00:20:52.759 next day and everybody would say, did you see that Gulligan's Island Man? 282 00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:55.599 Was that funny? Well, we don't have that anymore. Now you can 283 00:20:55.640 --> 00:20:59.799 watch the funniest damp thing that was ever created in the history of television and 284 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:03.240 nobody will have seen unless they're talking about it on Reddite or you know what 285 00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:07.759 I mean, something like that Rotten Tomatoes and you know, all that type 286 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:10.960 of thing. It all has, it all has a play in here, 287 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:14.000 of course. Yeah, I think I'm going to go to break early since 288 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:18.440 we're kind of pausing at this point, so um, we will be back 289 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:23.039 in a few minutes. Everyone so hanging there and we will be right back 290 00:21:23.200 --> 00:21:32.799 right after these messages. I got a bad feeling about this race come back 291 00:21:32.880 --> 00:21:36.000 to us, Earth to Race, Earth to Race, Please come in. 292 00:21:36.279 --> 00:21:40.799 Okay, you know when I double viewed my mic, I need I need 293 00:21:40.799 --> 00:21:44.319 to make sure I remember I do it. Okay, guys, we've got 294 00:21:44.359 --> 00:21:48.599 three minutes of this break. Okay, excellent, So um, let's see 295 00:21:48.680 --> 00:21:52.279 in the three minutes we'll talk about while we really um, you know, 296 00:21:52.279 --> 00:21:56.240 we really are not staying on or going back to any topic that we were 297 00:21:56.240 --> 00:22:00.039 talking about previously, but we'll in the three minute that we do have here, 298 00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:06.960 let's let's talk about UFO sightings in your area. Do you are you 299 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:12.319 aware of any in particular current sightings? Are just in historical I mean, 300 00:22:12.319 --> 00:22:17.319 how long have you lived there? Actually, I've lived out in southern California 301 00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:21.480 for almost thirty years now, and and you know his historically Los Angeles, 302 00:22:21.480 --> 00:22:26.640 Southern California has been has had more than its share of really intriguing sightings. 303 00:22:27.039 --> 00:22:32.640 And you know, but I'll tell you something, Martin. What's really intrigued 304 00:22:32.720 --> 00:22:37.559 me is because people know me as the UFO guy in my circle. Right, 305 00:22:37.839 --> 00:22:41.960 So people know that if they talk to me about certain things, I 306 00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:45.359 won't laugh at them, because how could I. I'm writing about these things 307 00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:48.599 and all that so I've had people over the years tell me interesting stories. 308 00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:56.279 Here's one that comes from my plumber. He was working on a sink and 309 00:22:56.319 --> 00:22:59.680 he said, so, you're the guy that did that dark Sky show. 310 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:03.160 Said yeah, and he said, you know, when I was like ten 311 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:10.000 years old, twelve years old, he was going to school on Wilshire Elementary 312 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:12.400 School on Wilshire here in the middle of Los Angeles, and he said, 313 00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:22.279 on a break over two hundred kids saw a metallic, cylindrical wingless craft, 314 00:23:22.359 --> 00:23:26.480 you know, maybe five hundred feet up, hovering over the playground. The 315 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:30.359 teachers all saw it, the kids all saw it. He went home that 316 00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:33.799 night and he told his parents and they said, well, that'll be great, 317 00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:37.319 we'll read about it in the paper tomorrow. Then next morning came, 318 00:23:37.519 --> 00:23:40.039 it wasn't in the paper. And you know what his parents told them, 319 00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:42.839 They said, never talk to anybody about this. They'll think you're weird. 320 00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:47.680 Right. So that's what happens with a lot of great cases, right. 321 00:23:47.920 --> 00:23:52.359 And yet that was a story where I mean, I think if that happened 322 00:23:52.359 --> 00:23:56.319 today, that it wouldn't be buried quite like that. I think it because 323 00:23:56.359 --> 00:24:02.079 more people would be posting on social media about it. But here's a really 324 00:24:02.119 --> 00:24:04.559 great sighting, a really thing. It's gone away. Answer the question, 325 00:24:04.599 --> 00:24:08.240 though, I don't spend a lot of time keeping up on the latest particular 326 00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:15.920 sightings because I'm not essentially a researcher, you know. I I have opinions, 327 00:24:17.240 --> 00:24:21.039 but I don't do a lot of original research. I do a lot 328 00:24:21.079 --> 00:24:25.000 of reading, a lot of thinking, a lot of writing, but you 329 00:24:25.039 --> 00:24:27.519 know, not so much going out in the field and talking to anybody about 330 00:24:27.519 --> 00:24:32.559 anything. I probably should, I'm sure it's fun. Well yeah, yeah, 331 00:24:32.599 --> 00:24:33.839 I mean I don't. I don't do any of that myself either, 332 00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:37.759 you know, to speak of. But I love to hear you talk about 333 00:24:37.799 --> 00:24:42.079 your plumber. I love to hear stories from people like that, you know, 334 00:24:42.119 --> 00:24:45.440 someone that is not involved in the UFO field A race? Are we 335 00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:52.160 going back in? Should be fine, sir. We're ready to go whenever 336 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:55.640 you are. We are ready here. Well, I've got five seconds here 337 00:24:55.640 --> 00:24:57.720 and then I can count you down. All right, sounds good? All 338 00:24:57.799 --> 00:25:04.960 right, right, all right, here we go then five four three two, 339 00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:11.799 all right, welcome back. My guest tonight is Bryce Zabel and we 340 00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:17.279 are talking UFOs, etc. Films and all that, and uh we were 341 00:25:17.359 --> 00:25:21.200 sort of a you know. Basically, towards the end of the conversation before 342 00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:25.680 the break, we were talking about, you know how difficult it is to 343 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:30.279 you know, get something launched when it comes to filmmaking and all that. 344 00:25:30.319 --> 00:25:33.400 There's U and it's hard to sell too. I mean you have to almost, 345 00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:37.359 don't. You almost have to even if you get um, you know, 346 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:41.960 producers that'll back you, don't, you have to almost have to have 347 00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:45.839 something pre sold or an idea which how are you going to market it eventually 348 00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:49.440 or to just go you know what. My experience is just there's a thousand 349 00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:55.119 ways to sell something, right, and so I would never tell anyone there's 350 00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:57.559 a right way or a wrong way to do it. I will say that, 351 00:25:57.720 --> 00:26:02.079 like like a lot of businesses where there's a lot of money on the 352 00:26:02.119 --> 00:26:06.440 line, people are risk averse, right. So the less money you spend 353 00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:10.079 on the project, the more they're willing to probably let you freelance a little 354 00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:12.160 bit. The more money that gets spent on the project, then people want 355 00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:15.359 to know, is this going to work? Am I going to get some 356 00:26:15.400 --> 00:26:19.240 of my money back? Right? So that does cause people to look at 357 00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:23.319 a project through different eyes. In other words, I don't think there's too 358 00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:27.400 many people running around Hollywood that know like you do, and I do, 359 00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:33.240 and your your audience does, about what's really going on in the in the 360 00:26:33.359 --> 00:26:37.920 ufology situation right now, they don't really know about the Only thing they know 361 00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:41.920 about Tom DeLong is he is Blink one eighty two that you know, they've 362 00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:48.279 heard basically maybe there was, maybe they heard Tucker Carlson talk about it or 363 00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:52.079 whatever, but they're they're not really dialed into it, right. And so 364 00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:57.039 what I in anytime I'm in somebody's office talking about UFOs, the first hurdle 365 00:26:57.079 --> 00:27:03.440 I have to always get over is somebody will just go, so you really 366 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:07.640 believe in this UFO stuff, Well, that's a hell of a beginning, 367 00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:11.640 because what it means is I'm not only there to pitch this story, but 368 00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:15.880 I have to overcome their objection to even thinking that it's because they think it's 369 00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:19.319 just a science fiction piece. So from their point of view, you know, 370 00:27:19.359 --> 00:27:25.079 you could pitch, and this has happened. You could pitch I don't 371 00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:27.839 know. I mean you could pitch as we talked about the Roswell story or 372 00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:32.519 Betty and Barney and get a note from somebody saying, well, does Barney 373 00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:37.079 have to be Black. Well, yeah, I mean, because he was 374 00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:41.920 right. So you just have people that look at it like just a story 375 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:48.000 that's a malleable story. Right where we know and your audience knows, this 376 00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:52.000 is the real deal. Something has been going on probably for thousands of years, 377 00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:57.519 all right, but for sure with some relative intensity since the forties, 378 00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:04.079 and for reasons that are still a little obscure, it's managed to be covered 379 00:28:04.160 --> 00:28:11.200 up or deflected from the public sphere of discussion all these years. And so 380 00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:15.559 now we sit in this nether world where if you really pay a lot of 381 00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:18.759 attention to the topic, you know, damn well, something's going on. 382 00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:25.240 Yeah, I mean, something is going on period. All right, we 383 00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:30.480 know this, But if you go outside and go talk to the people you 384 00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:34.000 know at your local grocery store, they probably don't really think about it like 385 00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:38.799 you do here. It is the most transformational thing that could ever enter in 386 00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:42.839 your brain and blow your mind, and we don't talk about it. It's 387 00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:48.880 unbelievable. Lots of people are going to go to Thanksgiving dinner from the time 388 00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:52.279 that we're talking right now in a couple of days, and you know what, 389 00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:56.559 it won't even come up for most people, all right, I mean, 390 00:28:56.640 --> 00:29:02.119 for most discussion, nobody will discuss the fact that we're not alone, 391 00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:06.839 and the evidence is they're not out there, but they're here interacting with us 392 00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:10.599 right now. But we don't talk about that. Now. How crazy is 393 00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:14.519 that? And if you dare to talk about it at your Thanksgiving dinner this 394 00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:18.480 year, I guarantee you your chances are at least sixty percent you will be 395 00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:22.160 treated like the drunk uncle at a wedding, you know, the guy that's 396 00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:27.079 had that extra too many glasses of champagne and needs to sit down. And 397 00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:33.599 I find this to be the craziest thing that I've ever encountered in my life. 398 00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:37.240 And I think as I get older, I get more frustrated by it 399 00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:42.720 because I would like to believe that we at least are going to publicly own 400 00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:47.319 up to this in my lifetime. I don't think that's too much to ask, 401 00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:49.680 you know. I think that the idea that we could all sort of 402 00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:53.880 acknowledge that it's real and then start talking about what to do about it. 403 00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:59.279 I don't know why that's so radical. That seems like a pretty pragmatic thing 404 00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:02.279 to do. I guess you could argue, well, the truth may be 405 00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:07.200 so freaking unbelievable and so disturbing that we don't dare talk to people about it. 406 00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:11.559 But I reject that. I mean, the truth is if the truth 407 00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:18.680 is got a little blackness over it, it's still the truth. Yeah. 408 00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:23.119 So, you know, we don't really have the option, I think of 409 00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:30.519 waiting any longer. The planet is in disarray politically, the climate is changing 410 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:36.200 in a way that's very problematic for our own survival even and if, if, 411 00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:41.839 indeed there are other intelligences interacting with us, I think we better get 412 00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:48.319 on with that one too. Yeah. Last week I had doctor Jeffrey Bennett, 413 00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:55.119 astrophysicists on and a good part of his talk was about climate change and 414 00:30:55.559 --> 00:30:57.680 the reason I'm just springing that up you just mentioned it. But I have 415 00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:00.279 to tell you, I don't believe that has ever been a time where I've 416 00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:07.200 gotten more email about that topic than, uh, than I have about you 417 00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:11.440 know, UFOs, and mostly you know, people are I hate to say 418 00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:15.519 about there's a lot of people that are that don't want to look at it. 419 00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:18.480 I'll just put it that way. You know what you're talking about climate 420 00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:22.640 change right now? Well, you know there are there are similarities between climate 421 00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:27.759 change and UFOs tell me about that because someone asked me about that. Well, 422 00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:30.759 I mean, I mean, you know, and again I don't. 423 00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:36.799 I don't wish to incite public political violence on your show or anything. But 424 00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:41.279 let's just let's just make it as basic as we can. You take climate 425 00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:45.400 change, you take UFOs. The similarity between these two issues is that they 426 00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:52.599 the evidence appears to say that they exist. Okay, yet there is trouble 427 00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:59.519 in the public sphere discussing them. So we watch these things get more complicated 428 00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:06.960 and unsolvable and we don't address them. So I do think one of the 429 00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:14.680 things that would certainly be be good is if out of whatever's going on in 430 00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:17.920 our world right now, that the the idea that we want to embrace what's 431 00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:22.960 really happening, what truth is, would be a good thing. You know, 432 00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:27.960 we if it's clear, we can argue what causes climate change, But 433 00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:30.559 I think is not the debate already settled that it's happening. I mean, 434 00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:36.039 I didn't used to have to evacuate my house every year or get ready every 435 00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:39.960 year, and now I do. So something's happening. And the same with 436 00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:45.200 UFOs. If you pay attention, I mean, what more do you need? 437 00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:50.759 The US Navy says they're real. What more? What more do we 438 00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:52.599 need? The only thing that I like about that, by the way, 439 00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:58.440 is that when I do start talking about it on Thanksgiving, I may not 440 00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:01.480 be treated like the drunk uncle at the wedding, because some of these people 441 00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:07.480 will say, oh, yeah, so yeah, I read something about that. 442 00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:10.240 What's going on? Okay? Now that's where I think it's great, 443 00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:15.880 because then I get to say, well, are you were you? Now 444 00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:19.599 let's go back to the twenty seventeen Did you read that New York Times article? 445 00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:21.720 Now I didn't, Well, let me tell you what that's about. 446 00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:24.839 Another thing that I do, by the way, for people is I maintain 447 00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:30.240 a pretty large library of UFO books, and I have duplicates of a number 448 00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:34.079 that I think are really good, and I'll loan them out to people. 449 00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:37.119 So if somebody asked me on Thanksgiving about it, I'm going to run upstairs 450 00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:42.440 to my collection and grab a copy of something and run it downstairs and give 451 00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:45.480 it to them and say, why don't you read this? And then call 452 00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:47.920 me and let's discuss it. Because I think we have got to get this 453 00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:52.440 into the public sphere one way or the other, and the change tends to 454 00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:57.799 be not top down. It isn't going to be probably the head of the 455 00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:02.680 Pentagon announcing it. We're going to have to from the ground up change the 456 00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:08.280 situation on the ground so that the people up above feel like if we do 457 00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:13.880 talk about this openly, we will not screw everything up. I mean, 458 00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:16.599 yeah, that's all I look, Yeah, I had. I mentioned this 459 00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:21.719 briefly on our show. A while ago. I spoke with someone in my 460 00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:28.079 professional world and through antiques, actually in art. He was having me look 461 00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:30.519 at some things that he wanted to sell, and he said that he was 462 00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:35.280 with the in the Navy for thirty years, recently retired, and he used 463 00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:39.599 to the last job for many years. He was out in California at some 464 00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:46.079 base southern in southern California and had something to do with flight control or something 465 00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:50.480 like that. And so I mentioned to him, you know, just to 466 00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:52.119 see the reaction, I say, hey, did you see the you know, 467 00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:57.119 Navy announced you know that they're going to be looking into UFOs or can 468 00:34:57.159 --> 00:34:59.320 report UFOs. And he said, well, you know, I used to 469 00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:04.039 see used to see these things on radar that would appear and disappear and do 470 00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:07.679 all these unusual maneuvers. But he says, but I just thought they were 471 00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:13.760 experimental aircraft from the local or he mentioned some base. They may have come, 472 00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:16.960 right, But that's all that's you know, that's all he just assumed. 473 00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:20.519 That's but you know what, and you know what I would say to 474 00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:24.360 that person, I'd say, well, you know, that's probably a pretty 475 00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:30.159 good assumption when you see the things flying around right now that exceed our ability 476 00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:36.239 to comprehend how they do that, because we don't have aircraft to do those 477 00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:40.159 things. You still might say, well, it might be secret technology that 478 00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:45.159 we've got or the Russians or the Chinese. But then you say, do 479 00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:49.000 you think anybody had it back in nineteen forty seven when they were doing the 480 00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:52.840 same thing. Do you think when these things were flying around Washington, DC 481 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:59.199 in nineteen fifty two that somebody had that ability back then? I don't think. 482 00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:02.719 So, you know, we we we just have to keep keep moving 483 00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:07.039 ahead. I'll tell you, my are we about to go to a break? 484 00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:15.760 Here's just something that is something that I'm kind of intrigued that we haven't 485 00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:19.679 done more of, which is we're in the middle of a presidential campaign. 486 00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:24.320 More candidates than ever before are out running around Iowa and New Hampshire and South 487 00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:31.239 Carolina and Nevada, and they're all holding town halls and they all accept questions 488 00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:37.960 from the audience. So for all these millions of people who actually think of 489 00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:43.440 themselves as UFO knowledgeable or UFO activists, why aren't they going to some of 490 00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:49.159 these town halls and asking questions that are respectful questions, saying, are you 491 00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:53.760 aware that the US Navy has released these three videos and that the US Navy 492 00:36:54.039 --> 00:37:00.199 now confirms that unidentified aerial phenomenon are something they're looking into and they're working on 493 00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:06.239 reporting procedures. So, mister or missus candidate, my question to you is, 494 00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:10.639 will you support congressional hearings on this topic and will you dedicate yourself to 495 00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:15.079 government transparency on the topic. Why do we have somebody? Why has not 496 00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:21.960 one person asked that in any of these town halls? And why are we 497 00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:30.679 not writing these reporters who are asking questions at debates? Why aren't they asking 498 00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:35.920 about this? Why is the fact that there are things flying around that interfere 499 00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:42.360 with nuclear weapons? Why is that not something that should be discussed in a 500 00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:45.519 presidential debate or at a town hall. I don't get it, and I'll 501 00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:51.679 tell you something. I have a my own little Twitter presence or whatever, 502 00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:55.679 and I've noticed that when I tweet about you know, can't wait for the 503 00:37:55.719 --> 00:38:01.000 truth to come out on you know, reality, and I put a nice 504 00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:04.920 picture with it, I get a lot of likes and you know, and 505 00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:07.360 I get a lot of comments and all that. But when I say, 506 00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:13.679 why doesn't somebody go to a town hall and ask a candidate about UFOs, 507 00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:19.079 No, I'm again hardly anything. So I just go, like, what 508 00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:24.039 I think needs to be happening right now is that UFO reality, UAP reality 509 00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:32.159 has to switch and start taking in some of those public activist tactics that have 510 00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:39.280 existed for various social issues. Whether it's women's suffrage or the civil rights movement 511 00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:46.599 or anti war or whatever. These are political social movements. Where are we 512 00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:52.920 with this UFO thing? We should be We should be pushing forward the relatable 513 00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:59.039 storylines and asking our representatives why they won't investigate it. And you could say, 514 00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:00.679 well, they'll never to get it because no one will. But that's 515 00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:06.039 not the point, is it. The point is not that the candidates will 516 00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:10.599 get it, and not that the congressional people will understand it immediately it's that 517 00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:15.280 will force people to talk about it, and it'll get into the national dialogue 518 00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:21.360 and the international dialogue, and slowly but surely, this will become something that 519 00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:24.760 people can talk about in open public forums. That's what I look for. 520 00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:30.639 Yeah, really interesting. Now. I remember Hillary Clinton was actually in New 521 00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:37.719 Hampshire for the sixteen she was campaigning there and was I don't know if you 522 00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:42.079 heard, but she was asked by a reporter the very thing you're talking about. 523 00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:45.039 Oh, absolutely, yeah, And I actually had him on the show 524 00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:52.280 briefly right after that. But yeah, the twenty sixteen campaign was vastly better 525 00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:59.599 for UAP reality disclosure issues because you had Hillary Clinton saying I'll talk about it, 526 00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:05.239 Podesta. And this has been a disappointing year when there's more going on 527 00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:10.400 than ever, more things to discuss, and you know, the Democratic debates 528 00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:15.119 are plowing the territory of medicare for all ad nauseam. And I'm not saying 529 00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:20.599 that's not an important issue. It certainly is an important issue what healthcare people 530 00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:24.360 are going to have. But I would also think if we're worried about safety 531 00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:30.239 and security and healthcare, I think if somebody can turn off a nuclear weapon 532 00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:36.000 at will that's a safety issue. I don't know why we're not looking into 533 00:40:36.039 --> 00:40:39.360 it. So just ads off to any of those like Mark Walker, I 534 00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:45.400 guess, a Republican congressman has been active in trying to push for those kind 535 00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:46.639 of things. I think it's it's smart, we need to do that. 536 00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:52.599 Yeah, well there's also you know, think of O'Hare or any of the 537 00:40:53.199 --> 00:41:00.119 possible you know, encounters when commercial or you know planes are involved, and 538 00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:05.480 there's you know, sky safety, you know for one and coughing, why 539 00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:08.639 that's not taken more seriously? You know, right, there's But see, 540 00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:15.840 I think though that that's that's the essence of it. The way in to 541 00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:20.480 the barn, The way to get your head into that barn is through air 542 00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:27.559 safety and nuclear weapons security. Those are the issues that you can ask about 543 00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:32.079 in a public forum and say are you you know I'm not and you can 544 00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:37.000 literally you can say, look, I'm not saying they're from another planet, 545 00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:40.960 but I'm saying that the US Navy says they're not ours. So, mister 546 00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:45.719 or MISSUS presidential candidate, what do you think about it? I mean, 547 00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:49.719 and you know, to this date, you know, we at least had 548 00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:52.880 Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen talking about it. This year, to the best 549 00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:59.079 of my knowledge, we have Andrew Yang saying something casual at a refrigerator in 550 00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:05.239 a New Hampshire newspaper office, and maybe somebody else and I can't remember who 551 00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:08.320 that was, and just casual comments, so I don't know. So there 552 00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:13.760 that's my soapbox. But again it's boring, apparently because nobody thinks we should 553 00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:16.519 do those things, but I do. I think it's a political issue now. 554 00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:22.760 I think we are moving rapidly into what Richard Dolan and I wrote about 555 00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:27.199 in our book A d After Disclosure, where we said it's you know, 556 00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:30.360 it's it's not going to be a clean line. It's going to have ups 557 00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:35.679 and downs and starts and stops, and it's going to be a little bit 558 00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:39.239 messy, but we need to get on with it. I always quote Doctor 559 00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:45.119 Strangelove where the General says about he's talking about nuclear war, but I always 560 00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:52.400 think it applies to disclosure. It's General Buck Turgutson and he's talking about nuclear 561 00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:54.039 war and he says, I ain't saying we're not going to get our hair 562 00:42:54.159 --> 00:43:00.199 must okay, And that's I mean, I think that's the true statement we 563 00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:04.960 can make about what disclosure is going to look like. But it does us 564 00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:08.199 no good to wait. Waiting serves nobody at this point. I do think 565 00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:17.599 it's a little dicey that Donald Trump might become the disclosure president, because he's 566 00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:22.320 just very unpredictable, obviously, And I'm not trying to get in a political 567 00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:27.480 debate with anybody about anything, just saying that'll be a dicey thing when that 568 00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:30.960 happens. But it really I think the issue is so large that it transcends 569 00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:36.639 the political occupants of the White House. It's just one we have to get 570 00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:38.719 on with the world has to get on with it. And frankly, if 571 00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:43.559 the US can't get its act together to start talking about this openly, then 572 00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:47.840 I'm all in favor of France or Brazil or Russia or China getting the ball 573 00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:51.960 rolling, you know, let the Pope come out and start it. I 574 00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:55.119 don't care. Somebody needs to get this thing going. It seems like the 575 00:43:55.199 --> 00:44:00.760 snowball effect too with something like this, and I was thinking we're on that 576 00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:04.920 role, you know, ever since the New York Times article came out back 577 00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:07.760 in twenty seventeen, and you know, the videos, as you mentioned earlier, 578 00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:12.320 and it just seemed like we were on a roll. Things were happening 579 00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:15.800 fast, and it's still like it. Little bits and pieces are happening. 580 00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:20.679 Like you know we talked about earlier than Navy, you know, looking for 581 00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:24.920 waste to have the pilot's report, you know, encounters and things like that. 582 00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:30.000 Um, so there is some type of momentum. Um you know that 583 00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:32.840 is happening, but I don't. I don't know where it's going to go. 584 00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:38.239 And and you mentioned earlier that you're hoping in your lifetime, UM, 585 00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:44.000 I do as well. I hope that, you know, we'll know more. 586 00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:49.519 I don't know if we'll ever though clearly know exactly what it is or 587 00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:54.920 who they are. You know that part of it maybe really Uh It's it's 588 00:44:54.960 --> 00:45:00.000 like that famous quote, the universe is not only stranger than we amage, 589 00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:06.199 it is stranger than we can imagine. Right, So whatever, whatever is 590 00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:08.440 the truth is going to be kind of mind blowing. But I would say 591 00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:14.199 this, and we said this back when I was running the TV Academy. 592 00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:17.320 We had this phrase that we used which was all of us together are smarter 593 00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:22.719 than any one of us. Okay, now let's think about this issue where 594 00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:27.000 you're saying we don't know exactly what's going on, and that's probably true. 595 00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:30.760 It's probably true that even people who are quote in the know aren't as in 596 00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:37.280 the know as they'd like to be, all right, But the way we've 597 00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:42.920 organized the world right now, we have very small, compartmented groups of people 598 00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:47.920 probably talking about this and not talking in a global way to each other, 599 00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:54.519 but talking on very specific things. What we need is to energize the scientific, 600 00:45:55.000 --> 00:46:01.000 cultural, political community that humanity represents and get everybody talking to each other 601 00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:05.880 at once. And I wouldn't be surprised if we can come up with some 602 00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:08.760 pretty good theories about what's going on. And some of them may be disturbing, 603 00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:15.280 but but I think if we get started, it's better than not getting 604 00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:20.599 started, certainly better for you and I living to see this through. Wow. 605 00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:24.119 You know, I just had a listener just text me and say that 606 00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:30.000 there was supposed to be supposedly a UFO sighting over the White House today. 607 00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:35.800 Did you WHOA, I haven't finally on the White House loan. No, 608 00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:37.599 I haven't done damn it. Here we are talking about this, and we 609 00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:43.079 could have been, oh my god, well you know what, maybe it's 610 00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:45.599 going to take that, maybe it will take that. Yeah, I'll check 611 00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:49.840 out the news after the show. But no, I have not. I've 612 00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:53.760 not heard that. Unfortunately, Alejandro wasn't in earlier. He may have had 613 00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:58.440 some information about that, but I have not looked into that. Been pretty 614 00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:05.000 preoccupied here up in Maine. Wow, this is this is great. One 615 00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:07.800 of the things, though, I do want to tell you that I think 616 00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:09.519 is kind of funny. And I mentioned this a while back as I was 617 00:47:09.559 --> 00:47:16.320 watching in nineteen fifties or sixties documentary about uf I was and there was a 618 00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:21.800 guy in black and white and he was probably in his fifties at the time, 619 00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:24.559 and he's saying, I just wanted, you know, disclosure to happen 620 00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:28.239 in my lifetime. He didn't say disclosure, but something else, right, 621 00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:30.840 And of course, and he just thought, I mean, right now, 622 00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:36.159 I feel like something's really close. He felt like back then, something's really 623 00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:37.880 close. You know. See, if you know, I told you I 624 00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:42.239 have a good UFO library, And one of the things I've done is I've 625 00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:45.039 collected them over the years. And I started doing this pre Dark Skies. 626 00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:50.239 But when we got into Dark Skies and we wanted to get the timeline together 627 00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:53.639 so that the show would have this internal consistency. I started putting the dates 628 00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:58.559 on the edges of the books so and then arranging them on my shelf in 629 00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:01.599 the date in the order of their publishing. So over the course of time, 630 00:48:01.639 --> 00:48:07.320 as I've read through these books, you do see a trend where people 631 00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:12.320 going back to the fifties, going back to Donald Kehoe when he's writing his 632 00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:16.920 books and he's talking about disclosure is eminent. He doesn't call it disclosure. 633 00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:22.159 He calls it the silence group that will break their silence. But people have 634 00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:28.280 been hoping for this change, and that's why I say we've got to also 635 00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:30.760 start thinking of it. Now that we have a little more scientific information and 636 00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:35.800 we can start to disclose it to ourselves. We need to move ahead scientifically 637 00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:42.360 and politically at the same time, because simply just dumping on the world, 638 00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:45.320 by the way, you know, yeah, some of those things, they're 639 00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:49.400 real. It's going to cause our hair getting must a little bit, right, 640 00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:53.239 So we need to have a political plan how we're going to integrate this 641 00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:58.480 into our society. This very high degree of uncertainty it's going to bring, 642 00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:04.239 and very little It's very interesting because when Dolan and I were writing a d 643 00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:07.679 after disclosure. We would sit around and we we'd toss these ideas out to 644 00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:13.719 each other, and we would say to ourselves quite often, I sure as 645 00:49:13.719 --> 00:49:17.960 hell hope somebody else who actually knows some of the details about this is doing 646 00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:22.480 what we're doing right now, because if they're not, I'm worried. I 647 00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:28.119 mean, we need There's no evidence currently that anybody in the know on the 648 00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:32.079 inside has actually been thinking about how society is going to shift and twist and 649 00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:39.480 turn when this all starts to come out. And I do think I think 650 00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:45.280 there's a fifty fifty chance right now that you and I will see a by 651 00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:50.440 disclosure. Again, I'm not saying the president goes out and lays it all 652 00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:54.960 out and hands out, you know, terriby or you know, fifty gigabytes 653 00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:59.880 of photos to every reporter. I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon. 654 00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:04.079 But by disclosure, I mean that general sense that all of us have 655 00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:07.960 that something is real, we can it's okay to talk about it now, 656 00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:15.000 it's okay to study it, and that we should have transparent relations between government 657 00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:20.000 and science and academia and all that and try to get to the bottom of 658 00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:22.800 it. And I think we are getting closer to that. That's the only 659 00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:27.039 hope that I can hold onto, right, right, we go to break 660 00:50:27.039 --> 00:50:32.320 in about two minutes here. You know, as far as the government, 661 00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:37.239 you know, I've always thought that it's possible that they may you know, 662 00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:39.679 well, I think it's kind of obvious that probably know more than we do 663 00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:46.119 because of the you know, the many cases where film was confiscated and you 664 00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:50.840 know, situations like that. But I've always you know, I've said this 665 00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:52.800 on the show a number of times. I've always felt that they probably don't 666 00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:58.119 really know any more than we do of what it is, just that it 667 00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:02.320 is, you know, when you know, were on that well the two 668 00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:10.320 minute version is that I don't think it's it's effective to say what they know 669 00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:15.920 in the government because I don't think there's a universal government that knows something about 670 00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:22.079 UFOs that's keeping that from us. I think some people know more than others. 671 00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:25.480 I think some people in government don't know a damn thing about it. 672 00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:31.360 I think it's a really mixed bag. And obviously the people that know the 673 00:51:31.480 --> 00:51:36.719 most have the biggest decision to make right now. They have to make a 674 00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:40.920 decision for the world. They have to decide whether they're going to be on 675 00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:45.519 the side of transparency or whether they're not. You know, you've got to 676 00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:49.960 pick a side at this point and start to come clean about what you do 677 00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:53.639 know, which is why, you know, I think all of us who 678 00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:59.960 have had either seen something or had something happen to us have a greater risk 679 00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:04.480 sponsibility than ever to step forward and start to talk about it. So just 680 00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:07.159 as a tease for what we might talk later. You know, one of 681 00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:12.239 the things I've been talking about more these days is what happened to us at 682 00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:15.920 Dark Skies, where we were approached by people who said they were from the 683 00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:22.480 Office of Naval Intelligence, not the Air Force. Also, my partner was 684 00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:27.960 friends with a member of the Reagan cabinet who told them some hair raising stories 685 00:52:28.679 --> 00:52:34.599 about about aliens and UFOs, and just the sense that those of us who 686 00:52:34.639 --> 00:52:37.400 have heard things, we don't have to vouch for their truth or not truth. 687 00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:40.679 We just have to vouch for what happened to us or what we know 688 00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:46.039 or what we believe because we have to somehow get this topic off. The 689 00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:52.159 podcast dedicated two UFOs Right, nothing wrong with your podcast. Don't get me 690 00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:59.800 wrong, love your podcasts, but we cannot gheto wise the topic into these 691 00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:04.079 narrow places where it's okay to talk about it. We have to do more 692 00:53:04.119 --> 00:53:07.960 and more of what has made us, I think all very happy in the 693 00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:13.440 last two years, since December of twenty seventeen, where we've seen more and 694 00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:19.119 more people who just don't talk about UFOs start to talk about it. That's 695 00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:23.039 right, and that is really great stuff. It is excellent. Well, 696 00:53:23.079 --> 00:53:27.400 all right, everyone, we're ready to go and break. We'll be right 697 00:53:27.400 --> 00:53:30.440 back right after these messages hanging there. All right, everyone, that's it 698 00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:34.639 for the free part of the show. Thank you so much for listening next 699 00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:37.719 week. We'll be back with Chris Lambright. Anyone can listen to the full 700 00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:44.239 hour in fifty minute shows. 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