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Well, good evening here one, and welcome to Macmlony's milit Tracks now show
here on the Distant Thunder Radio Network. This is Mac maloney want his show
we have for you tonight. Before us, let me introduce the members of
the Posse girls. Getting ready, sit your cells down, start standing yourself,
get your big box of clinics, big box of wife squeegee, Andy
Lou, because the very famous one one is here. Hello girls, Hello
ladies, Welcome to the show. Matt, good to see you, Glad
to be here as always. How are you doing? Okay? What's going
on across the bottle? Well, across the pond? Here we had the
Women's World Cup soccer girls and unfortunately they lost to Spain one. No,
this is the the English team. The English women are called the Lionesses and
they were awesome making it to the World Cop. It's like the World Series
of soccer for any any sex, male or female, and they made it
all the way. It was a tough loss, and there was a a
women's soccer player. Should call it football because that's what they call it.
The Spanish team and her last name was Paradiso. There's a there's a guy
who plays for the Pittsburg Pirates. His name is Paradis. That's right.
Yeah, anyway, women's soccer, even the crickets went to sleep on that
one. So what was it? Was it really exciting played the ship of
any sporting event. Yeah, that's crazy, man, it was crazy up
sport, it really is. It didn't some woman get kissed by him by
the big big shot of the league when they won the mouth of the mouth?
Yeah, ball federation side and we think any one side plays this big
liplock on this on this poor player who wasn't expecting it. He apologized,
but nobody accepted the apology. There's going to be an investigation. There's a
little fuffle on it said, wow, the pictures weren't viral. On that
is this? I get interest the rest of the game. But let me
just say this. Someonee said, soccer will never go be popular in America
because you can't handle the ball with your hands. That's you know what I
mean. You can't touch the ball with your hands, and so it's it's
it's I think it's a pretty boring spot. I'm sorry. It is no
Coco tonight. I'll saving the world from soccer. Possibly, Oh, I'll
possibly trying and training Chinese pilots. That room was still floating around up there,
but on National correspondent switch Place, Steve wat is here, switchy and
it is great to be here tonight. I asked him, well, how
how are you doing? I am beyond wonderful, I asked him when he
came on video if he had got a hircut. Don't think we're a little
swaved and I little more suave than usual. You know the secret? Ice
tell us switching which secret? Took a shower? Took a shower. That's
all it takes. Also with us up there in our favorite good witch,
raven is with those raven I, my friends, thank you so much for
having me. We're all commenting. We're all looking at your head. Tho.
It's a week to week thing, seeing how it's progressing. Are you
liking it better than you did a month ago? No? No, another
week, another week okay, yep, check back next week. Okay.
So anyway, so it's a very sensitive thing, you know it must be.
Yeah, but to my wife too, very sensive. It's like having
a big zip in your cheek. You know, you don't get used to
it. I wouldn't put it quite like that. But it's getting better,
and I'm sorry for this like it so I for this gazinta. But also
with us in the studio, there is you have oma alan al though,
oh mack, hello everyone, it's a joke. What's happening with Yeah,
alright, No, nothing's happened. How are the bees? Bees are looking
really busy. There a lot of activity. I see a lot of pollen
coming in. I haven't really smelled the like they haven't gone after the golden
rod yet because as soon as they go after golden rod, the hive stinks.
Oh really yeah, and uh, I haven't really caught huntry. You
walked by the hive. Sometimes the breeze is just right and you can smell
the sweet. Ye. No, that's why I swear to god bears.
You know they say they have no an incredible sense of smell. So you
know, you're a couple hundred feet away from the hive and if a very
light breeze comes your away, well you get the whiff of real sweet,
like a big and smell stuff like so no one in the home right in
on it. But if they've gotten in a golden rod, it smells like
dirty socks. So it's not really it's not a good smell. It's really
nasty. And most people wouldn't put that unable of your honey. Most people
that like start beekeeping. They don't realize this. So if their bees get
into golden rod, they'll walk by the hive one day and go, oh
my god, it smells disgusting. There's got to be something wrong in there.
There's you know, foul brood, or there's just some kind of you
know, sickness or illness in the hive. But once they cure it,
and once they do everything with it, you'd never know. It's it's tasting,
smells fine, but while it's processing, it really does not smell good.
It is amazing what they do. It is you're listening to men,
it would bees on TVs. So anyway, I think we should just go
ahead and make this a beekeeping. You know, it's a big deal here
in the UK because of the focus on pollinators, whether they be bees or
butterflies. Butterflies also it begins. If it begins with a bee, we're
all for it. HEAs and butterflies. But well, the other day and
well it was I shake some a weeks ago because I hear it on the
last show. I said, we had a big bee problem over there,
big one big, big weeks ago. He sends me a video and he's
standing there and he's what was that one of the cells on the in the
well. One of the hive swarms, so you could you couldn't see him
for all the bees, and they're like in a twin end. It was
really And then they all landed on a big juniper and I went over.
I sued it up and went over and I just chopped the branch off and
carried it over to an empty hive and just dumped him all very unceremoniously dumped
him into the hive and covered it up and said, well, if the
queen's in there, they're going to stay. So then like a week later
they did it again, right, yeah, another and this one they didn't
go. They didn't do with the favor of doing it on a branch.
They went on my post and rail fence. So they were they were like
twenty thousand bees drooping off the rail and I'm like, okay, I can't
just bang that and shake him off into the hive. So I went in
and Sue had a bushel basket that she uses in her gardening, so I
grabbed his bushel basket. I sued up, I walk over and I put
it on the bottom rail and I just started scooping them into the basket.
Did you let me ask this? Did you see a UFO? I thought
I saw God for a minute, because they were they were, but I'm
walking away with an entire bushel basket full of bees and the renters in the
houses nearby and they're looking and it all went back in the house because they're
like, we want no part of this. At the beginning of a horror
where are we living? Yeah? What's with this guy? Was crazy?
But yeah, I walked up the driveway with a bushel basket with about four
or five pounds of bees in it. It was It was very interesting picture
any different of me walking down your driveway with an eight foot Christmas tree if
you know what I mean? And you say any I mean, don't drag
it, don't I got that one. Yeah, just another day on.
So anyway, So coming up later on, I was a good friend Matt
Mallie is gonna be driving us rock staff retired rock staff from the Counting Crows,
but very much into UFOs and the parents, normal and stuff. I
was good trying to talk to him and Switch has a report coming up,
And what I was gonna say is that we mcmlomey's Military ex Style show.
I'm going to be appearing at the Exeter, New Hampshire UFO Festival this Laby
Day weekend, so it was probably right around the time you hear the show.
Great, it's a great take. If you're in the area, just
get out and see what's going on in Exeter on this weekend. Evin was
like in the UFOs and there's a lot of there are people like people walk
around like men in black and stuff, and all the restaurants have UFO burgers
and stuff. The time really gets into it. It's a nice little place
and we're gonna be wrapping up. Yeah yeah, everything. The whole town
really goes all out. Yeah yeah. It's funny and very well supported.
We're going to close the show close. We'll be on Sunday from three to
five and we're going to be joined by jan One and hopefully Raven on Zoom
right guys, Hopefully that'll be fun. And what I was thinking on the
way up here, and it's probably too late to think it now, but
if we had had a little more time, it would have been funny to
just do the show, you know what I mean, Just do the show
because our friend Brian Eno. Not Brianino is going to He's not He's always
up there, he always does his show, you know, and they're not
there this year. So it would have been funny to do the show,
but I don't think we have enough time to to work that out. But
anyway, we're gonna be presenting. Our presentation is Aliens, Asteroids and AI
three things that will end the world. Okay, so we're going to end
the show on a high note. I'm telling you know one of these three
things and things are gonna end life under Earth. Okay. So that's the
Exeter UFO Festival. You get your tickets. I think you can pay it
to do. It's always a big crowd, always a very enthusiastic, attentive
crowd, so we're looking forward to it. It'll be food out there,
and there's always food, Yeah, there's always. There's always lots of stuff
going on. There's even a trolley you can sign up for. It will
take you to where the famed incident, Exeter accident. And I can imagine
the people who owned the house, you know, every Labor day, weekend
they got to sit there and watch these tour busters come every half hour or
so and people pointed their backyard and say that's where the spacecraft landed, and
that's that's probably getting a big you know, you know anyway, but talking
about the pot of the world. First of all, let me go to
switch. Okay, he looks like he had a healthy breakfast this morning.
Switch once again, shout out to your special effects there, which is moth
me. I'm looking over your shoulder. Looks we had every week we see
it. Yeah, his name is Norbert. Yeah, just hired him,
Norbert Norbert. Yeah, here's someone that shakes the blanket and back here the
second time tonight. So it would be the cats back there, chicken,
What you don't put those cats over? I was I was doing a podcast
one time, Yes, and they were climbing up the Really, that's creepy.
So we can claim anything. Cats can climb anything. Yeah, right,
it's getting back down that sometimes a problem. Switchy, What did you
have for breakfast today? I went to Tutor's Biscuit World this morning. Yes,
I had the Big Tater Dictator is a bunch of diced potatoes smeared with
gravy, scrambled eggs and bacon and hot black office and a biscuit on the
side. Yes, that place is amazing. Every time we talk about it,
I just started drooling them when I gotta find this place tips Right,
if I was in the US, i'd be doing a road trip out there.
You no, no, they don't know. No tip cups, no,
no provisions. They give the ladies a little extra for their service.
Wow. Wow, maybe they take it the currency you know. We don't
know. I don't know. Occur I thought I had the big tater ones,
but it turned out it wasn't too much. It could have been a
little. It was a fossilm Okay. Well, now that we're talking about
this part of the country, Massachusetts is a very We're in Massachusetts actually in
New Hampshire right now. We're right over the line and exited in Hampshire.
But I mean, you could drive for about two minutes and you'll be in
Massachusetts and run the nos shore of Massachusetts. But mass Use is a state
that is it's old, you know what I mean, It's older than you
know most days because it's one of the original thirteen colonies, a set,
et cetera. There's a lot of old buildings, a lot of old stretches,
a lot of like kind of haunt the house this year, and somehow
we came upon a list, Raven, is that right, the most haunted
twenty most haunted places in Massachusetts. Yeah. I found this cool little list
as I was going through some other research, and so I thought it would
just be fun to just kind of go down and just read them. Spoiler
A lot of these are in Salem. Oh of course, yeah, Salem.
Of top ten, we have a top twenty. Okay, so the
number twenty is Gallows Hill that is in Salem. It's it's known as the
area that was chosen to hang the convicted, which is but I don't believe
it's ever actually been confirmed because, as I've mentioned numerous times on this show,
record keeping back then was very very bad. But it is said to
be haunted, so that's pretty cool. We have number nineteen haunted Derby District
that's also in Salem. It's a really cute little downtown area and there's tons
of shops and beautiful houses there, and there's great brunch spots and it's also
haunted. But I never had any issues there. I feel very comfortable there.
I think that's where the little Lighthouse is too. Us just a great
area. But it looks like they're talking about one specific building, which is
the Derby District. If a place is fine, that doesn't necessarily mean it's
haunted in an evil way, does it. Oh No, not at all.
Now it can be haunted with you know, good spirits or bad spirits,
or mixture of both. We should just jump hands on what you got
going on. We should just jump in here and say that Salem, mass
is where the Salem witch trials were held. Okay, back when was it
sixteen hundreds, I'm gonna say sixteen was it sixteen sixty two? Okay,
do something like that. But downtown Salem around Halloween, Salem, Massachusetts is
unbelievable. It's it's it's the party that never ends, you know. And
in a lot of places where these people were executed, and I know one
of the at least two of them, instead of hanging them, they they
made them laid down. They put huge boulders on them until they crush them.
You know, it's really very very you know, horrible ways to go,
especially in the name of religion, which made it even worse. But
but but everything seems to gravitate to the the city of Salem, Massachusetts,
and they've embraced it. I'm looking at it like Roswell embraced it, you
know what I mean. You get down there and there's just so many places
that kind of ire into this, and some really like we had churches and
stuff, I mean, the real deal. It's on the witches and stuff
really you know, into it. But anyway, Richards that still apply their
trade in Salem, right oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, a
little bit. All right. Now I'm at number eighteen and I whoever laughs
first, is responsible for let's see, what do I need? It's responsible
for sending me snacks. Let's just say that number eighteen is Unhole Liquors.
Laugh. I didn't know that this was a hanted location. Apparently it used
to be a funeral home. This is also in Salem. This is Wow
down by like the Derby Street district area, and it's just a little corner
store, like a little what are those calls in the city they have them?
I can't think of it. Yeah, it's called bung Hole Liquors.
Yeah. Uh. Number seventeen we have Cinema Salem. Then that's just you
know, kind of speaks for itself. But apparently that is something where when
things were being filmed, they were they were seeing things and I've had psychics
look into it. Pretty cool. Uh. Number sixteen, we're still in
Salem, guys. We have in a pig's eye. This is a restaurant.
And I guess basically, after the Wood trials ended, people that were
living there tried to just like wipe their hands clean of everything and just like
overnight, forget it. So they started to open up like restaurants and pubs,
and this was this was something that had opened up at some point after
after the trial ended, and you know, they killed the people that they
did, and so this kind of holds an energy, I guess you could
say. But that's what it's called. It's in a pig's eye. I'm
not sure where that is. I haven't heard of it, so I guess
it's in a spot where I haven't been. So it's the place. It's
still open. Yeah, from what I can see, it looks like it's
still open. So how many witches were killed of that Faithful Night was something
like seventeen, I think some crazy number sixteen or seventeen and all. Yeah,
it's something like that. Yeah, outrageous, but you know it's just
stupid. I mean, it was just their ways of you know, someone's
house got hit by lightning, you're automatically a witch, you know, and
they're gonna they're gonna kill you. You know, there's puritanical people, but
go ahead. Unbelievable. Okay. Number fifteen, we have Proctor's Ledge.
This is also in Salem, and this is another spot that was suspected to
be where some executions took place. But again it's really not confirmed either way.
I mean, it could be it could be you know, neither of
the places that I've already mentioned. It could be somewhere else completely. But
it does hold you know, that lower and it is a very eerie spot
to visit. It's very pretty, though I will say it sounds like it's
come It came out because of the Salem mass Chamber Commerce wrote this maybe because
I want to go now, well, we are finally moving out of sale
off. So we're at the Hoosac Tunnel. This is in western Massachusetts and
this, I guess it there was a horrible crash that happened there. So,
you know, for their little, for their little you know, probably
the first train ride ever since this was built in eighteen fifty one, and
it ended up having a very poor outcome. And so the tunnel and tunnels
in general are are pretty eerie. I mean you walk in and you're immediately
like com shrouded in darkness. So the train crash in the tunnel, that
is how I am reading this. People killed. Yeah, two twenty people
died. Oh sounds like a bad day. Hang on. Yeah, well,
okay, not good. And even some miners had died in there too
because they tried to restore it and there was an explosion. So maybe let's
stay right out of Whosac Tunnel. Take the Boston, Massachusetts next place.
Now we're at Fort Warren. We're at number thirteen, Fort Warren. Yeah.
So this is this was back in eighteen sixty two, and there's a
traveler that was coming from South Carolina. She was going to save her husband.
I know this story. I've heard of it. And she was going
to save her her husband, but because he was a Confederate soldier, they
locked him up. So she tride to be sneaky about it and get him
out of the prison, and she got busted and let a bunch of prisoners
free in the process. The people it's kind of what William william on the
State of Massachusetts tack in the day. Wow, we're in a fun state.
This is top twenty places in Massachusetts. I hope the Beach Columners and
one of them would be funny. Okay, So number twelve, we're back
in Salem, guys U Salem's first church. This is now a restaurant.
This is now the Rockefeller Rockefeller Rockefeller's restaurant, and it was it was the
original home to to Salem's first church. And it's built over ancient tunnels that
were often used back in back in those days where you know, people did
uh things that were very illegal and would probably still be illegal today, like
murder still and I would hope that those tunnels aren't there anymore. Smuggling was
probably going on. Smuggling. Oh yeah, for sure. The town I
live in here in the UK is noted for the smuggling operation. Anything else
good? Yeah, gotta get on the map somehow, right, big time
smug question next place. If anybody's watched Pole Dark series Polled doc, there's
a number of episodes that talk about that operation. The Cornwall another drunk next
please right? Alright, Number eleven, we're at the I'm not sure how
you say this. Maybe you can help me. The LSU Lyceum Halle see
him, Okay, and this is it's now a seafood restaurant, but it's
where Alexander Graham Bell made the world's first long distance phone call. Wow,
no, just kidding, Well, I mean yeah, I think that's where
he started the phone, right, and Salem is somewhere down in that area
that I don't know. My history does not my history lessons don't really know
things that actually matter, so I'm not sure. But yeah, that's where
the first long distance phone call was made. That's pretty cool. Maybe reverse
the charges call it home. I call home, but they had no phone.
This is a lyceum, that's hard to say. That was built in
eighteen thirty and it was used for you know, lectures and seminars. But
sorry. So many people believe that Bridget Bishop haunts the grounds there. She
was one of the executed persons from the Salem which trials. Apparently her soul
hopped down over there and just kind of hangs out. Yeah. Number ten
Murphy's restaurant in Pubs. I've been there. What's the name of Murphy's Murphy's
Restaurants. You're never gonna guess where this is, uh tell us it's in
sale And this is this is actually right by where the the cemetery is,
which is called the Old Burrying Point Cemetery. You know, I would say
that maybe this isn't haunted, and maybe the maybe the spirit's just fancy a
pipe every once in a while. So I'm gonna say that this this doesn't
deserve to be on this list. Okay, nine because you're on the other
side doesn't mean a good time haunted places go ahead, all right, now
this one we all know. We have the Bridgewater Triangle at number nine,
and for for Verry, I feel obvious reasons. We have the Hakkamock Swamp.
I think Lizzie Borden's house falls in here close to it. I'm pretty
sure Fall River it's very close. We have the pep Ludgies. There have
been UFO sightings, and it's just supposed to be I would say, like
kind of similar to like the pine barrens, but instead of a like a
dry forest, it's a swamp version where it's just an overall unsettling place.
See the creepiest story about that place. And man, when was this.
This is going back twenty years anyway, where people who live in living on
kind of the edge of it would see a young girl on the just on
the wood line, just on the tree line, like waving to them and
come and help me and stuff like that, and then they go into the
woods and there's no one there. Very creepy stuff goes on there. I
listened to a podcast where the hosts are in like they live in the Bridgewater
Triangle and one of the girls said she was driving to work though one day
and saw that and it it was like she saw it because she was in
traffic, because multiple people saw it. It stopped to try to like run
after this child and like and that was it. There was no other information,
like like people had reported it and then like nobody followed up on it
because it's such a common thing that people are just like it. Ye,
creepy, there's another way could do creepy. Next, very creepy. Then
number eight, we have the Holton Mansion Holton, Okay, don't know if
I'm saying that right, I apologize. And so the Houton Mansion. This
is home to North Adams and Mayor and the Houghton Mansion was home to a
twelve mile per hour car accident. Oh, I can hurt, obviously,
since somebody waited to dine it. But it was built in nineteen eighty and
that was by North Adams's former mayor. His name was Albert Houghton. He
lived there for many years before he died in a twelve mile per hour car
accident. I'd be pissed too. I would walk a place and twelve How
do he do? We know how he died going so slow? It says.
In nineteen fourteen, Albert invested in the family's first car, first aero
touring car. I don't know what that is. This, Oh listen,
this luxurious car didn't last long. On the first day of August. Uh,
let's see, Albert, his daughter Mary, and the family chauffeur took
a drive to test its metal. Okay, miles an hour, the car
tipped over in tumbledown an adbankment. Oh my god, I've been last.
Thanks please. We have the Hawthorne Hotel. This is in Salem, and
this is like the place to stay. This is the type of thing where
I have tried to book a room here multiple times because I want to know,
you know what's going on, and you have to book like several years
in advance. It looks beautiful, it's super bougie, and the cast of
the Witch actually stayed The Witch actually stayed there while filming. That pretty expensive.
But like I said, if you know, if you book it enough
in advance and you know you have the means, you don't go for it.
But maybe one day I'll make it out there. And the never sexually
Acamox Swamp that's in the Bridgewater Triangle, so you know, let's cross this
one off. Two it doesn't really need to be in here because you know,
we all know, but it's a nickname. Just in case anyone didn't
know. Is the Devil Swamp, which is super metal. I like that.
Number Five. We have King's Chapel burial ground. Are we still in
Salem here? I'm kindly of Salem. Was going to send them a bill,
the Salem Chamber of Commerce Chamber. This is oh where in Boston.
It looks like just founded in sixteen thirty and this is one of the yeah,
one of the oldest burial sites in all of Boston. And it's so
ancient that some of Boston's earliest residents are laid to rest here really number four,
we have Joshua the Joshua Wardhouse, and we're back in Salem, guys.
So uh Salem witch hunter Sheriff George Corwins this house. It's a very
creepy house. It's super you know, super old obviously because it you know,
was was there when the Wood Trials we were going on. And this
dick, you know, Sheriff Corwin that hunted actual human beings for being,
which is said to to haunt it. Hopefully it's dilapidated. Next, we
have Lizzie Borden's house, which I figured would be on here. That's number
three. That's down in fall River. If anyone doesn't know the story,
she uh is well, she wasn't accused, she was acquitted, but she
was, well, she was accused of murdering her parents, well, her
dad and her stepmother. Yes, the rhyme is incorrect, so I'm not
gonna say it. Everyone knows what it is. But but she was she
was acquitted, really, she was acquitted, not guilty. Well who did
it? Who chopped her parents? Technically? Huh? I see, I
always thought she got you know, convicted in the chapter episode. Well,
Elizabeth mcgomery played her, and we talked about Elizabeth Blackhamery. She's also in
you know, Bewitch, but she played Lizzie Boyden. And only because my
mind remembers these things, is the first time someone was fully nude on TV,
on broadcast TV. So gonna washpan and pouring the water over to get
the blood. But it's all shadows. It's all I mean, the way
they do it and everything. But you know, yeah, I remember crowded
around the TV with all my little buddies bunching. Well, if it were
like an actual, you know segment on you know, the Lizzie Bardenhouse and
that whole story, because there's a lot of information that really gets kind of
like ignored, and it will kind of make you question at the end,
like I don't know, did she do this or not? But but that's
just it's just for a second jacket. Go ahead, he'll come on.
Diane Baker and famous actress Mommy dearist Joan Crawford. Ahead. That was another
act wielding thing where you see you see the head big lopto off of kind
of in the shadow. But but I'm sure it was based on Lizzie Borden
but why would why would you think why Raven? Because I just always thought
she just mirrid him because they were a very puritanic holin. So there are
actually other suspects that when they I only remember like so much of it just
because it's been a while since I've read about the case. But one of
them I want to say was her uncle, which would have been her her
father's brother. He was a suspect because the whole family was sick, and
there was something about him dropping off medicine because everyone in the family was sick,
okay, and they were wondering if he had poisoned them. And then
there was also was there a brother then they chopped up that would have been
that was the husband's brother, the father's brother, so Lizzie Borden's father's brother,
so her uncle. And then I want to say her stepmother had a
sister that was also a respect. I could be wrong, because, like
I said, I'm not super fresh on it. But when when you know,
I'll gladly do a deep dive on this because it's super fascinating and it
will kind of have you questioning, like, okay, was she actually falsely
accused? Because it's it's really hard to tell, and especially you know,
they get locked down a crime scene back then like they do now, so
a lot of evidence got lost, so a lot of it was circumstanced.
Who still doing inherit? Yeah? Who could women inherit at that point?
Or did it go to the brother, you know, the uncle and maybe
he inherited. He's always money, there's always your follow the money, you
know that. I don't remember. I only remember that after everything was said
undone like years later, she ended up buying like this super super fancy house
that was up on a hill. And that was like one of the reasons
why they had accused her was because she was basically saying that her father was
like cheap and she wouldn't like buy them like this fancy house because they wanted
him to buy them a new house. But it was like at the time,
Lizzie Borden and her sister were both considered like old maids because I think
they were in their late twenties and they were still living at home, not
married. You lived at home until you were married. So it was a
very strange situation all around. But I'll do a deep dive on that and
we'll talk about that Yeah, that's an interesting and then and then you guys
can form your own opinions on it. How about that right? Okay,
But anyways, the Lizzie Bordenhouse is also a bed and breakfast. This is
another one like the Hawfard Hotel, where this is like a years and advanced
type of thing, super expensive. Many people do say that they hear stuff
you can literally stay in, like the room where everything went down. Yeah,
that's the most famous. That's the room everybody wants to leave me the
book play on that place. Be in the other room, going three rooms
that you cannot wow. These are the top twenty und places in Massachusetts.
Where were we done? Number two? We got two more. I don't
know what this is sk Pierce Mansion sk Pierce Mansion in Gardner, Massachusetts.
Apparently this is one of the state's most notably haunted houses. This is not
a house. This is a straight up mansion. It's beautiful, so much
so that it's oftentimes up for sale and realistians have a hard time closing.
And apparently they say that Masonic rituals took place within the quote unquote home.
Masonic or demonic says Masonic, like I would think like freemasons. He's a
freemasion really yeah yeah wow huh. So number one please stop it down Ropes
Mansion. And this is another like crazy, this is this is a straight
up mansion. And this is iconic. This is in uh Salem. Also
they say that it is possibly the most haunted place in Salem. Let's just
have a great past. In early days of Salem, tuberculosis was ripping through
the town and one such family was hit really hard was the Ropes family and
the parents, parents of Abigail and Elizabeth. They both died, so they
left them orphans and they just kind of had to like take care of themselves.
Abigail would go on to Mary and Elizabeth did not, So here we
got old old maid. She was probably like fifteen and wasn't married. And
then poor Elizabeth unmarried, you know this old maid. At probably fifteen,
she got tuberculosis two. So Abigail was the only person left that had to
take care of her. And not long after Elizabeth would die and this really
crushed Abigail and she was driven insane by this. So she would actually spend
the rest of her life just as essentially as a hermit, locked away in
in the mansion. Yeah, not good because one night she was doing hermit
things, you know, as you do, and she went to tend to
the fireplace and her clothes caught on fire, so that happened. Not great,
really pretty house. Check it out. That is said to be the
most haunt most Yeah, most haunted location. Could you repeat that location again?
Yeah, that's the Ropes Mansion. Trying to see if it had the
street name here, but I can't find it. Sometimes it hasn't and sometimes
it doesn't. Now if you type it in you'll be able to find.
It's really really pretty. Yea classic colonial style. It almost looks like the
house from pocus Pocus that the girlfriend lived in. Oh wow. You know
they filmed the Witches of Eastwick right the next town over from yam Ipswich at
Crane's Beach, which is really kind of a cool place, you know,
real quick take. Thank you Raven's Most Haunted Informative. Let's do New Hampshire
next time. We'll probe the aumlesto. Yeah. Well, Bob just came
in and opened the door. Did he really? Did it open on itself?
Yeah? I closed the door. It's open right now. I was
trying to wave him down with us. Well, when you started talking about
haunted places open, you know, when we first came on for the segment,
I closed the door because there were people in the hallway, and I
think they've since left, so I'm sitting down here, and when you started
doing this segment on the most Haunted places in Massachusetts, the door open,
It's fully opened behind us, and I'm waving to Mac pointing to the door,
going there's something not coolly the first time ever. I'm glad I'm in
New Hampshire. But the doors open, the door is open, is open?
The closes on that song he's not taking on. Well, if it
closes, then where we're we're gonna have musical hits to uh for the rest
of the show. Wow, that's interesting, you know, just real quick
before we take it preak. I'm just talking about strictly like unsolved murders.
And I watched Dateline every once in a while and I really have to kind
of stop watching it. They always have these very very odd cases, but
they're all there. They're molded fla TV, so you don't know the punch
line until the very end. But on one of those type shows you were
talking about, John ban at Ramsey, John ban at Ramsey, she'd be
thirty yeah, yeah, like she'd be thirty two now or something or even
older and knowing. And if you read, i mean every once in a
while, you know, just see something on really yeah really it was ninety
six, right, it wasn't. Yeah, I'm probably right around there when
she was killed. Yeah, but if you read, if you read what
went on, you know, if you read everything, it's like the unsolvable
mystery because if you say, but this happened, this happened, but they
say no, but you know, we figured that out because these people have
an aw by this didn't happen. Well it's this and this, and it's
like, I don't know, it's very strange. I mean there's there's like,
no, they've they've absolutely clear everybody right in the house. Yeah,
it's the coldest case. Yeah, everyone in the house, even though they're
all kind of creepy people. I mean, I'm sorry, but they were.
They were all guilt. Everybody would think they were all guilty. Yeah.
Yeah, and no, just the fact that they dressed her up like
that to perform, Yeah, that's whole they were. But I mean that
would attract weirdos who saw her performed too. Well, that's what I thought
someone someone broke in maybe, but there's literally no sign of a break in,
and the cops were there and didn't find her, so they came back
the second time and all that kind of stuff. But even though sorry,
but even the strangest pot is so now the Ramsey is the husband and the
wife, okay, and and they were both kind of accused, and they
were both under the cloud for a long time, both exonerated. Her mother
died and then her father married the mother of that girl who was went missing
in a Ruba Holloway Holloway yea Natalie Yeah, yeah, Natalie Holloway's father mother
and father divorced and Natalie Holloway's mother married John Benett's father. Wow, that's
the weirdest grave And I get that right, right, Yes, they wouldn't
believe. I will say about that case, I've I've read some books about
it, I've listened to like a lot of podcasts and watch a lot of
documentaries about it. And I went in with like an opinion of, oh,
the parents did it. And the more you get into it, the
more it's it was a really badly botched investigation from the start. A lot
of evidence was lost again and especially when they get into the details about what
was done to her. Absolutely no way that the parents or the brother had
anything to do with that in my opinion. Yeah, and it sucks because
it'll probably never ever be solved because there's there's so much evidence that's gone,
right, but it's it's there's so many different rabbit holes to go down,
right, Yes, it feels like it had to be like multiple players involved.
I just don't think it was the family, right, But this is
the way thing is that they've they've you know, from from what I've read,
is that even though, like I said, they're kind of creepy people,
they exonerate these people. They went to great lanes, lots of cops,
private detectives, and so they just cannot don't have they're convinced that the
no one and the family did it, so that means someone outside had to
do it. But there's no evidence of any break in, so someone had
access to the house somehow. Yeah, but this is while they're home and
everything, and they just got home from a restaurant and stuff. It's they
might have had keys, you know, somebody was working on the house and
a contractor previous owner of the house. Yeah, but how do you do?
I mean, but they're sneaking while asleep. But I think the thing
with that is that the house was so massive, because I believe the parents
their room was like up on the third floor, and then the kid's room
was on the second floor, and they was in like opposite ends of the
house or something. Okay, So I guess they said that they wouldn't even
hear anything up there where they were, which is also wild in my opinion.
Yes, I don't have kids, but I feel like if I did,
I would want to hear them. You know, put a monitor in
the room. You're sure you can hear what's going on. It's it's so
I don't know, there's there's just like you could literally go into a downward
spiral looking into that. It's just like it's so weird, never get an
answer. It's just like no obvious, all the obvious suspects, all the
obvious scenarios just don't work. Do they have DNA? I think they do
have DNA, and they couldn't never hit a hit I'm that's if I'm not
mistake, And didn't they recently get DNA off of another piece of evidence,
then maybe that up with another case. Yeah, well, I think that
might be what I saw TV. If they have any chance with the DNA,
someone want to end up happening is somebody who has no clue about anything
is going to submit their DNA to some database looking to find out their family
genealogy, and it's going to come back and hit against this and say there's
a ninety percent chance you're related to who did this. And then they're gonna
come and say, okay, who, let's talk to your family and they're
going to find somebody who lived in Colorado Springs. That's how they do it
now, right, Yeah, And they find they got the Golden State killer
was somebody DNA and they were able to find the angel. Yeah yeah,
yep, that's so related to him, and said you're a close match,
but you're not it. But we need to left in your family. You
have a cousin who lives in the right and boom, you know. So
that's that's where that whole DNA thing. You got to be really careful an
the reason why not that still working on the case, right. I think
I don't think that there's always probably writers and private investigators working would love to
solve it, because then you've made your own bones, you know. But
it is really a very strange, strange case because it just looks like no
one did it. It's really odd. But anyway, speaking of no one
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Hopefully you're already ready because you see a very famous one one O.
The girls tell everybody, I'm sure they're ready. Mah okay, all right,
they're drenched with sweat for grant. Okay, thank you, thank you,
saying sweat. Frankly, no Coco tonight, I'll save you the planet.
But switch Blade Steve Water is here switchy, and he's glad to be
here. Okay. And you had the big Tata today, right, and
we're talking about what you have toga at at Tutor's Biscuit World. You don't
put ketchup on any of that ketchip is meant for other things. He's a
gast like yeah, hamburgers. Oh no, I would have I drowned that
baby in casut. Sorry, it's in my DNA with gravy on it.
I'd make it on one side and the other. Don't worry, and then
at some point they will meet. It will be like ecstasy below me.
Oh, I don't know, Matt, I don't know speak about ecstasy.
I think he has some in his wallet. Uphom kick over and Aldo is
yet wow, Wow, I haven't looked at my wallet for a while,
but there might be something interesting in there. Okay, everything good with you
will? Yeah, you know, Okay, no complaint. The weather's the
weather's terrible. The summer has been terrible. It's been a beautiful summer.
Frankly, it's been raining. Okay, everything's moldy. Maybe if I went
out once in a while, I would notice exactly. Although AOL also with
us as a favorite good witch up there and so I was young Raven,
Raven, how are you? Oh my gosh, hello, thank you so
much for having me. I'm so glad that we finally had the discussion to
turn this into a cat podcast. Cat podcast looking for to that cats.
Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know some people
that just I know cat people and some people not cat people. You hit
call like Macelonia's cats me out there, you go, I think I think
you're You're definitely outnumbered here. Max. It would actually kind of funny in
a way because all you cat people would gang up on me because there's a
lot more of us than there are. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I've
got four cats in this room. Here in this room, we got like
a tan cats anyway. But but here's the thing. I don't like book
cats. And it's not that they don't like them, is I don't like
the tude, you know, I mean every one of them has the same
exactly like, you're here to feed me, you're here to to provide me
wamp and comfort and everything, and and you know my attitude to you is
going to be half the time half the other time, right, I mean
basically, no, not at all. I'm serious. They recurring, They
recurring the effect. Raven is shaking, Rave even is nodding. She agrees
with I have four Norwegian forest cats. They are known for. We can't
talk about cats the personality. I'm not gonna yes, but they they are
the disposition cats you could ever like the brothers. Can I afforded our siblings?
Okay, same litter. These guys never argue, never given a hard
time, they never fight. They are the sweetest cat. That's why,
That's why I drove seven hours to go get This is a big edit.
This is a big edit. You're dedicated cat. Okay, everyone loves cats,
but not everyone's dude. Any of this is this is all going on.
This is already, this is already on the floor anyway, And this
is a lot of cat pet stores in sale in Massachusetts. Maybe we can.
You don't work out a special show up, will not. They're familiars
anyway, Switchy, it's time to put in your bump of right here and
now it's time for another story from the Lost Animals of the Paranormal. It's
time for Steve Ward's report from the Fringe. Right switch come in, please
switchy. That source for this one. This fringe report comes from a paperback
that was published in nineteen seventy four called UFO's Past, Present and Future by
Robert Emmanaker. And this was kind of it was just right on the coattails
of Pascagoula, the coin helicopter case. There was a lot going on at
this time, and he there was a one particular report in here that caught
my eye. And it actually took place in nineteen fifty nine in Maine,
or at least that's where it started. But it centers on several people involved
in intelligence, the Office of Naval Intelligence and the CIA. Lieutenant Colonel Robert
Friend, he was US Air Force retired. He was a former head of
Project Blue Book when he was interviewed for this in nineteen seventy nineteen seventy three
for the book, and he, like I said, he was for a
period of time. He was of course after Ruppelt, but he was in
charge of Bluebook for a while. New doctor Heineck, he was retired at
the time. At this time, End was on the staff of Celestco Company
Management. They built and launched missiles for self defense purposes. Now, Friend
was highly regarded by the other officers. Heineck had nothing but good things to
say about him, and Heineck said he had an open mind to the approach
on UFOs, the UFO mystery. So at first, friend, for years
he wouldn't talk about this, this bizarre incident. But about fifteen years went
by and Robert Emmeneger was able to get an interview with him and find out
about this really string in occurrence. Friend also said that there was well,
he said that there's this one particular investigation that involved a series of incidents that
stood out because of its weirdness. It starts with an unnamed rear admiral.
He had information about a woman in northern Maine, missus Sean, who claimed
to be in contact with ETS. And again this is nineteen fifty nine.
He sent two naval intelligence officers there to investigate. Now were our government had
information that the Canadian government had already done some extensive investigations into this woman and
her claims. Now we don't don't have the specific questions, but the for
starters. These officers asked the lady all kinds of scientific and technical questions that
she answered with ease. I mean, she just did not have the education
level to know this, and she claimed that this was she was getting the
information from with the aid, the telepathic aid of the space brothers. So
they there, I guess there was extensive questioning at which we had some of
them, but we don't. She said there was an organization of these beings
called OEEV, which meant Universal Association of Planets, and they had a certain
project which focused on the Earth, but there were no details forthcoming, but
apparently very interested in us. The woman said that she got this message whether
they're questioning or that one of the officers that they could speak through him if
they wanted, and he could come back with them and they would still be
getting the information from this intelligence or whatever it was. So again, nineteen
fifty nine, Friend attended a meeting in the security portion of a Washington government
building, a billion unnamed. They were surrounded by CIA and military personnel,
and they had this one officer there that got the nod to be the channeler
for these beings. So they had a several prepare questions, and he went
into a trance and they asked questions like, of the aliens through him or
whatever they are, do you favor any government group or race answer no,
will there be a third World War? No? That he even asked,
are Catholics the chosen people? Well, this dude, whoever he was,
said no, So that not not my not my message. I'm not trying
to you know, I've set any Catholics, but you know, and the
and the individual that they were speaking through was Afa a f f A from
Uranus. Okay, insert your joke here, I just did. Now.
They also asked can we see a spaceship? And the subject, still in
a trance, said go to the window and they would have proof. So
they went to the window and supposedly saw a classic UFO fourteen hundred July sixth,
nineteen fifty nine. They saw what looked like a classic metallic flying saucer
through the window. And then friend he asked a series of his own questions
while the man was in a deep trance. He was answering by automatic writing.
He was putting the answers in large letters, and was clearly in some
kind of trance and was moving around very rapidly and jerkily. These movements and
more of these names came through these. Well, there was the Alfa,
there was Alamar Krill, cril L and The thing is, these names had
come through before and after George van Tassel, who used to channel the Space
Brothers under Giant Rock, Many of these names would come through some time later,
George Hunt Williamson, supposedly to the radio Telegraphy, had a series of
contacts. Many of these same names would come through different channelers different parts of
the world in different time periods. Several years later, Carla Rookhart, who
was the one that channeled the raw material the Law of One, also was
getting some of these same names. So it's just very interesting that whatever the
source of this is, the collective unconscious, really some kind of space brother
alien intelligence, I don't know, but the same names keep reoccurring. There
were seven top men and intelligence that were at present at this security meeting,
all all had clearances, all you loyal military employees. None of their names
were released, but as the questioning went on you find out more. There
was this Clonar from Mercury and car from Centurists. Again, the same names
coming through over and over, and the report that friends report reiterated that there
was just no way that this woman could come with these answers to some of
these highly technical questions. But then some kind of gibberish came through the population
of Jupiter was seven hundred and eighty seven thousand or no million day. It
took Jupiter seven days to revolve for one day, and I think it's more
like nine hours. And uh, just just some some weird, uh you
know, alleged facts about the solar system that sounded very bogus. So so
then, uh, for Andrews asked in this interview, so what was what
happened? What's the upshot? And he said, well, the uh,
the general is you know, told him to drop it, to forget it,
because there was another government agency already involved. And he said, when
you're a colonel and a general tells you to drop it, you drop it.
He did say that he checked later on and everybody that was involved in
this got moved elsewhere to another base, a very different job or whatever.
So they kind of put the stamp of a cover up. Really they do
really want to deal with this kind of embarrassing anyway. But here's here's the
upshot. Here's the conclusion that we've heard so much before, so many times
before. You get these messages whatever the source actually is, that the channeling
message and some of the information is dead on accurate. Sometimes the predictions are
dead on accurate, and other other information is total nonsense, absolute, total
nonsense. The University of Michigan professor, he was involved with Uri Geller and
some other people when they were they really were getting some kind of contact from
from the Space Brothers or whatever. They got predictions that were dead on,
and he's buying the whole thing. And then guess what the world is going
to end on such and such a date, Call everybody to the mountain top.
Space Brothers will come down and scoop you up. And they didn't show
up. And I'm going to ask you this, which you though when you
say that, when you said that, you know, the information that people
got, some of it was dead on and some of it was just bologney,
right, You know that reminds me of them. And it's only because
last week we did a spy trivia show that sounds like spycraft, because what
they used to do is they would like in World War Two. Is well
known that British intelligence. Every German agent that was sent over the spy in
England during World War Two was captured and turned by British intelligence, which then
had them radio back bogus information to Nazis, and the Nazis the thopes they
are never figured this out. Okay, So for the whole time they were
feeding the Nazis information, but and and a lot of the bogus. But
what they had to do is you had to throw in something that was going
to happen to give these fake spies credibility, you know what I mean.
So they had they had they give them something and and you know, so
I'm going to say maybe and something that they could just there's a lot of
ways of doing it, you know. But uh, it just sounds like
the same thing. It sounds like the same thing. You know, it's
going to have to report. There's a book called Hungry Ghosts. I can't
remember the guy's name right now, okay, but he did a long investigation
over several years where he was working with mediums and he would contact people that
supposedly were in the war. He got in contact with a woman supposedly he
was connected with that lived in ancient Greece and the information would come through and
so much of it was good. And then he would he even went over
to England and in Europe to try and verify some of the stuff, and
he would find some of it he could verify, but then all of a
sudden there were huge gaps where it was just nonsense. And he would come
back and confront the whatever, the spirit or whatever through the medium and try
and get an explanation, and they would be kind of tap dance around it.
You know, it was just so again, he got so much of
it, and he was buying into this book line and sinker, and he
became so disillusioned. I mean, he really thought that he was connected to
this woman from you know, centuries ago, and it was all crap.
But you know, that book is really valuable to It's kind of a warning.
Really again, what's the title, Hungry Ghosts. Can't remember the guy's
name. I'm almost done with it. It was recommended by I was reading
another book by Colin Wilson, and he gave this book high praise because this
guy really dug into it uncovered. You know, so many people are out
there contacting their guides and whatever, and some of it may be legitimate from
the other side, I don't know, but some of it it's a path.
And he talks about some people that were on the verge of suicide.
They were so screwed up with the and it's almost like these entities or whatever
they were, were messing with them purposely to screw them cases. Okay,
so here's the question. I just just flip this for a second to take
this idea of that somehow or other, you know, there were some people
on this earth who seem to get messages from elsewhere. Let's say, okay,
let's see whether it whether it happens or not. It happens a lot.
It happens so much it seems like not everyone could be faking number one
number two. In a lot of these cases that we just said, there's
stuff spot on and then there's stuff that makes no sense. Once again,
in spycraft, you do that to screw up your enemy. So why would
some let's say, extraterrestrial force want to us to see what I mean,
you know, if they're if they'd hate to say, if they're England and
we had Germany? What why are they what are they trying to How are
they trying to misdirect us with stuff that we know is nonsense? What's the
agenda? Exactly? Thank you all? You know? I mean, what
would it be to just keep us. Maybe now I'm only so I'm like
one of these conspiracy people, but it is it really to kind of keep
us complacent a little bit that it's always going to be in the realm of
the fringe, that you know, people are getting these messages, but it
happens. So Carl Jung were here, maybe he could tell us, because
it's like the Trickster. By the way, it's Joe Fisher is the author
of Hungry Goat. The research John Heel found this all through the Mothman episode.
The people that believe they were in contact with the Space Brothers and they
were beginning all this information. And again I know I've mentioned this before,
but the granddaddy was when all these many of these silent contact ease that he
was in contact with, started talking about an em effect that was going to
occur on December fifteenth, nineteen sixty seven, the moment President Johnson lit the
Christmas tree, They're going to be three days of darkness or whatever. And
so by this time, he said, was a raving paranoiac. I was
just bought at hook Line and Sinker. He's in his New York apartment.
He's got jugs of water there, He's ready for some really bad time.
Johnson likes the Christmas tree. Nothing happened. Happens a few moments later,
the bridge between Point Pleasant, West Virginia and Ohio collapse. Is that right?
Right? And you know em effect? What did that mean that Kiel
thought a factory might be blowing up or something, but there was no if
there really was some intelligence to there was an intentional misdirection, Yeah, yeah,
yeah, I mean there's you can you can there are dotted lines to
that. There are a dotted lines to a lot of things. But the
thing is this is that it no matter what, at least in our kind
of civilization, it's always going to be on the fringe. It's always gonna
be on the fringe until somebody, somebody writes a John Kiel book. But
he's he's he's David Attenborrow or something, you know what I mean, someone
who has a lot of cliche and not cliche. Mccache has a lot of
you know power, a lot of readers is considered authoritative on you know,
on this subject. And that's what it's going to take. And it's going
to have to have some kind of scientific back. Believe me, this is
fifteen now, about fifteen years ago, eleven years ago. So well,
my book UFOs and What Time on Sale Everywhere came out the same week a
woman who was a one noted writer than mcmaloney wrote a book on werewolves.
And it's this very kind of research. She's some Columbia and that kind of
stuff, you know what I mean, And she just took all these stories,
especially a lot of them in New Jersey as it turns out, and
the pine barrens and other places where they were just these stories of werewolves,
people who talked to them, people who knew them, people who saw them
over the years, and it was this very very compelling case that werewolves exist
only because you couldn't make up all these stories, you know. And I
think in that kind of you know, paragon, if I can say paradigm,
is that it's the same for all paranormal stuff. We hear it happening
all the time, we read about it all the time, but it's always
that fringe. But if you actually looked at it from a statistical point of
view, as I think Joe on Kiel said, you know, within ten
miles you're gonna find someone who start a ghosts within twenty miles, You're gonna
find someone who had a UFO experience, you know, on and on.
It's it's common, but it's not accepted yet. That's the strange thing about
it. He also quotes Charles Fort at the end of the mock Band Prophecies
and says, if there's a universal mind, must it be sane? We're
assuming yes. Listen, before we take a break, I have to throw
this to one one. How old is uh Mick Jaggon. Isn't he approaching
eighty? Okay? Isn't he eighty? I think he might even be.
Yeah, just had his birthday a few weeks. Okay. So here's here's
the mystery. This is almost paranormal. So I'm watching on CNN today and
I think it's CNN on YouTube, and it says Keith it must been YouTube
because the little blurb was Keith Richards surprises Mick Jago with birthday greetings on stage
at some place, some concert. Okay, so this had to be within
the next two, you know, the next couple in the past couple of
weeks. So he comes out and it's all ha ha, you know how
they are hanging on each other and stuff, Happy birthday haha in the back,
Happy birthday, Tell me what it's like. Yeah, right, yes,
tell me what it's like. In the background. I swear it's not
Steve Jordan on the drums. It looks like it's Charlie Watts on the drums.
Do you know what I mean? Have you seen the clip? Do
you know the clip? I mean I know I heard it. I didn't
see the clip. It's on YouTube. Oh wait, no, yes I
did. I saw the clip. It was on the Keith Richard's instagram.
Okay, is Steve what's his name still their drum? Yeah? Really?
Okay, look at that clip and tell me you don't see Charlie Watson there.
It's like one of those ghostly photographs. Okay, I'll look at I'll
look at it. Okay, Yeah, he definitely did. Say yeah,
tell me, tell me what it's like. Yeah, you're a happy birthday.
Tell me what it's like. Eight years old, because Keith is going
to be eighty yeah eighteen? Oh is that right? Yeah? The only
six months old of him, the eighty brothers and Mick Jaga. I mean,
just click on some day. You know this guy's life and lifestyle,
and you know they can click on these things, how much he's worth and
stuff. Yeah, he has how many drank? How many kids does he
have? Like seventy four kids or something. He's got great grandkids and everything.
He has great he I think his entire brood equals seventy four at this
point. That number sticks in my mind because he has so many kids by
so many women, over so many years since the sixties. Man, he's
he's like he's creating his own race or something. Right, He's eighty years
old and he's still running around. He's eighty years old and he's still running
around. And so this kid, his last kid, he was in his
mid seventies, was right, and she was twenty two. Okay, financially
stable. Financially stable is right. It's also when people say all those rock
stars, you know, financially stable and sexually able. There you go,
Lonnie, write that down this copy right now, I'll speak ahead. He
can spread his DNA around all day long. Right, it's going to be
good research to see how that carries down the line. Right, But I'll
tell you know what their lives. You would think that, but I'll take
a new name. More than a handful, not even handful of you know,
a son who was successful when his father was, you know, a
superstar. Okay, like none of the Beatle kids ever really made it.
Bob Dylan's son had a couple of hits. Uh, none of the you
know what I mean, there is no one, no one really prominent.
It's it's like that generation. Maybe because how they were brought up, maybe
they get to hate it or you know who knows, you know. But
I will argue Bob Dylan's son, whose name I can't remember, Jacob.
Yes, oh really, Bob Dylan can come and fight me. We put
that on HBI. But his son is Yeah, why because he's like gog.
Look he sounds good looking, he's got a similar voice. Yeah,
of course, of course, why wouldn't he him. Here's the thing about
Bob Dylan, Okay, I did not want to listen a pit bull was
more a lootic than Bob. But I didn't like him for a long time.
I didn't because I didn't get it. I didn't understand, all right.
And then you know someone well we know it has has Lois was a
big Elvis Constello fan, right, and you know Elvis Costell and I'd never
listened to him either, and you know he came in concert, We saw
him live attractions. Yeah, never got it, never got it, but
I understood I'm in a room, I'm in a concert hall at the Old
Orpheum, and everyone else but me got it. So I thought, well,
there must be something to be got here. And that's when I looked
at Dylan sand like, I don't have the best voice, obviously, and
it's always a little kind of bumpy, and his earlier work is better than
his you know, but he's just a He's just a guy who back in
the you know, poets used to be the rock stars, you know,
yeah, and and now, and he's a rock star poet, that is
it. Okay, if he was, you know, we quitting someone else's
songs, he wouldn't get from here to there, you know what I mean?
Because of that voice. I saw them, saw him a few times
at Harvard Squared, yeah, man, at the Old Bone in the wind
Era and uh, you know when he really took off with Highway sixty when
we visited in the mister Tambourine man, Yeah, yeah, yeah, when
it hit, that's when everybody and their brother was covering and making a living
off of it. Yeah, for quite a few years. Yeah, it
was interesting. I didn't share the Birds. Oh yeah, that that whole,
that whole you don't kind of I don't know what it is in a
Western rock. I don't know what it is, hell I know. But
it's funny that that it survived because this really turned into a music show.
Is that there was like a big folk movement in New yok and in the
country before the Beatles hit, right, I mean, in fact, it
was morphing into hoot Nanny. And I always think to myself, the Beatles
saved us from hoot Nanny because hoot Nanny was going to be the next big
thing. Thank god, the Beatles, you know, hit and that was
a reason that that whole folk scene could have gone away, you know what
I mean, just you know, another way of music. But but it
survived, and I think a lot of it had to do because Dylan,
you know, became electrified, you know what I mean. I'm not giving
what we tread in the world, but it did, you know. And
that's country rock or however you want to call it. The Birds and Stuffs,
Krosby Stills in nash and you know those kind of bands, you know,
their whole careers is based based on covering his songs on his Soam.
Yet you had artists like Judy Collins and Jody Mitchell had had and still have
good careers. I'm being folkasy, but being melodic folkasy with some orchestrations,
and even Judy Collins. It did like one of the one of the best
Beetle covers I thought of in my life. I thought was a great I
thought she did of anybody? Why don't we do it in the road?
Hey, Raven, do you know who? Do you know who Joni Mitchell
is? I do? I just want to piggyback on that real quick.
He sucks so that what are you talking about? Well? I saw him.
I saw him with the songas Arena twice, his crooning era, that
Wow songs Another night with Bob Dylan. Yeah, and I dug it.
I kind of dug You have to. You have to, you have to
be a you have to kind of get it. And like I said,
not every person gets every honest you know, but and he's hard to get
you know. It's like, yeah, where we all talk the way Bob
Dylan sings really show great idea and real quickly because it's so annoying every time
you have him you say, blow you in those that dude, will you
please? And didn't start again, but I switched to you can you do?
Dylan? Come on, let's hear it, let's see uh oh boy,
and very liney kind of I ain't gone to work on Maggie's farm no
more. Al do you want to jump in with you? No? No?
I is Bobb the ghost here? Maybe so one one. The song
is center, you know, the low rejuvenation of Low mass uh, politicians
songs, everything gets named after him. He was somehow related through marriage or
something else to Jack Carouac. Oh really yeah? Yeah, yes, because
stable individual, because Sue worked with a woman. Well that's where it was
from. That's what was from Low Tide, right, So Shue worked with
a woman at DSS that was somehow related to Carouac or maybe a cousin or
something like that. Okay, And in the day it was wow that Yeah,
it was interesting. First hipster. The first of it was it was
his book on the Road, on the Road, on the Road. Yeah,
I never read in that stuff. When I was in college, man,
everyone was reading that stuff, and I said, you know, I
was carrying that book around and when I was going to North used Yeah I
know. You told me you used to take the tea acid. Yeah yeah,
yeah on the road to pick up chicks, right when you carry it
on the on the train. So we could see the title the Tropic of
Cancer. This is and this is one I never read it, but vinyl
albums that they got at the Harvard Cooper. This is all projects I've been
writing, reading mc maloney kind of books. Don't don't stop. You're almost
done, you know, we almost got throats. Those books are written by
hipsters. But you were a hipster if you were reading those books, right,
But you're you're trying, you're trying. In many cases, you were
trying too hard to be a hipster, you know what I mean, like
the whole point of the hipster, like you're you're just trying way too hard
in general in general. Yes, you must be why I never made it
in that scene down, I didn't even tried that hard for anything. It's
what you did. No, No, there was a there was a modus
upper RANDI about. Here's what you did. Those books. You had those
records and you carther on under your arm, you know, between classes,
or you're hopped on the on the train. You're going back to Harvard Square
to hang out, maybe listen to some music instead of doing your ahead.
Yes, you put your books and stuff on the table so people can see
them. Right ordering a coffee, you're ordering your ship like this guy,
he's a hipster and that's your calling card. Yes, right right, I
can see that, and I can see I mean, it wasn't a goofy
teach. No, No, that's what we talk about. Is it in
a romantic way? Yep? That was actually a good looks you could it
could get you some attention at a certain point in time, you know,
and then it got there's ravens and cliche, and then it was trying to
hide and then all of a sudden, Hovid Square it's like you know,
department stores and you know, very very expensive, you know, places they
go and eat. Hoard Square continued to be hipped for a long time,
and then you had some competition in Boston. Yeah, in the Coop.
The Hobd Coop, which was this nice little funky bookstore is now looks like
you know, Jordan Mosh or something. I don't even recognize it. Yeah,
So you know, the second floor was the record department. Yeah,
yeah, that was that was there a lot browsing. I got a lot
of my college use textbooks there too. It's well, yeah, I just
swept the textbooks. Yeah, use textbooks. And that little alley, that
alley there which yeah the h yeah that there is that famous coffee shop.
Whow. We're really going down the road now, and then a crushroom is
is with boarders is now, which is a really good restaurant. But down
at the end of that alley towards the other towards the river. Let's say
we walked in there, Lows and I it was a bakery, right,
and and they were like, I don't want to say going may but it
was, you know, excuse me type of a place. And we quinn
and we get six mini this is about ten years ago, too, uh
many cupcakes, okay, eighteen dollars. Eighteen dollars and you know, I
mean eighteen dollars and this is before the pandemic before That's what I said.
I got. These things got to be the best freaking cupcakes I've evitationed.
And they weren't. They were they weren't even that good. Let's see,
that's what took over in Harvard Square, like in Habit Square in the early
days, you'd see like places that was giving away free food to people,
and you know, and there's all this really kind of touchy, Philly hippie
stiff. When Sue was going for a master's like education, I don't or
whatever you heard, are hanging out with some of her college friends and they'd
come up to me and go, oh, so, what's your major.
You know, I'd look at it when I'd go, my major is in
real life, like working for a living. Wow. I was really not
the most pleasant at that point. And I was the only one who had
any money because I worked for a living. And they were all, you
know, poor college students. Well, and Sue would be like, just
shut up and let it go. And you took her advice. No,
no, I kept right. I've said this yet before. Someone should write
a book about you. I think it'd be your best sell. Why do
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I'm doing great. Thanks for having me, uh your Paul mechanic al right
now though in the studio, Hey, mac one one, I wanted to
ask you that I saw an article today online about the police in London are
getting upset because people are violating a couple of the cemeteries. They're having sex
on top of the uh the flat. You know, I think they're very
and they're trying. They're gonna put fences around these things. Having sex on
the grave. Yeah, look it up. You are sorry online today.
Wow, So you know it's got to be true, right, it has
to be it. Listen, No connection at all to the resource that is
my favorite. That's a BBC dot CEO. Check it out. I looked
it up and it's it's a thing. Listen. No connection at all with
having sex on gravestones. He's stepping on nothing. He's stepping on your intra.
Having no connection at all with having sex and race nons is a good
friend. Matt Malley from Counting Froze. Let's clap him in. He's used
to be a pluged Matt. How you doing, Matt? He's got the
Michael McDonald looked down. Okay, but the beard is getting a little yeah
yeah, oh yeah, yeah yeah yeah, you definitely have that. So
you're you're out in in a thousand oaks, right California? Yeah yeah,
and you're telling the safia that it's been kind of interesting weatherwise and climate wise
last week. He quake, wow, hurricane and I and all on the
same day in southern California. That is like, that's kind of nutted on
you think, Yeah, I love it. I don't know if I'm just
bitter with humanity, but when something like that happens, I think, good,
finally something important. Is this happened? Really? Okay? Well yeah,
okay, you're not on the local TV saying that, are you not
get to get killed? Yeah? That's what I was gonna say. But
wow, So so anyway, so you know, just at the thumbnail is
that you're in Count and Crows for fourteen years? Was it? Yeah?
Fourteen years? Okay? All right, towards the world several times? Right,
yeah, yeah, I'm proud of that band. I'm proud of the
music they made and I got to do that, you know, And it's
not what everyone thinks. It's not this glamorous thing. I mean, you
look at bands like The Stones and stuff, and they're out there doing it
the real legendary way with their private jets and all that. But otherwise you're
just living in hotels and you're looking for where the catering is and then you've
got to go on stage for two hours. It's it's not what not what
I thought it was right, all right, glad I got to do it.
But but did it did it turn into not what you thought it was?
Did it kind of mute? Well, just the redundancy of it.
For the first couple of years, it was great, you know, and
when we made the first record and it was a big hit record and it
was like magical, and then it just turns into a monotonous job after that.
Yeah, yeah, you give in a bitter mood today, But I
thought you were in a good move because of the earthquake and the hurricane.
There's people have to kill to being kind of see a lot of people.
Yeah, right right, yeah, for sure. You know, Matt missed
earlier that we were doing uh Jay Jane and I were doing Bob Dylan covers.
Now, Matt, you're probably a Bob Dylan fan, right, Well,
I'm a fan of his words. I think he's a brilliant lyricist,
and but you know, I'm not. I didn't. I wasn't more of
a prague rocker. I didn't gravitate to the whole Civil War era side with
a guitar thing myself, you know, but stuff. Yeah, yeah,
that thing. Yeah, I like the English version of it. I like
the English folk revivalism, right right, Yeah, we started about them before.
But you know when Robbie Robinson died from the band okay, which you
know, I mean the band was just to me one of you know twenty
thirty groups like say back then. I mean I never really paid attention to
him. You heard them on the radio very you know, very often.
Really they had a bunch of hits. But when you hear about the you
know, the history of the band, how based had this kind of Americana
rock okay, and these English guys fell in love with it just like you
know what I mean, just like they came up like Eric Clapton, Judge
Harrison, all these people came to the band as if they were the best
b endeavor. You know, they just loved that kind of music where I
just thought, okay, like you say, it's civil low stuff, you
know. Yeah, but you're right, the UK when crazy. I mean
the first Fair Poor Convention record has some like a Joni Mitchell cover and they
were kind of mimicking the American Americano folk rock until they discovered their own exotic
music of the UK and then they really took off after that. Yeah,
yeah, right, can you explain Joni Mitchell to us? You have been
Joni Mitchell fan. I love Joony and I'm not I'm not an expert on
her, but I know that again, she's another lyricist that's mind boggling her
words. If you just google any song of hers from the seventies, Uh,
any song, it's really good poetry, you know, and what a
voice. But she had this uh enrapturing effect on a lot of different guys,
a lot of different rock stars. You know. They talked about Pattie
Boyd having songement about it. Lots of people, Johnny Mitchell and you know,
I read Graham Nash's autobiography, which is a great book. I forgot
what it's called, but he talks about falling in love with Johnny and they
were an item for a while and he really loved her. Yeah, a
lot of the people, you know, a lot of those guys fell in
love with her and just then there she was like the love lost if you
want to believe it, you know. But well, huh so, but
so then you were after you left the Crows, you were on earth for
a while, but then you went back touring again, right, Yeah,
I had eighteen years to raise three boys with my wife, and then they
got a little bigger. And then I met a bunch of Scottish wild men
that I fell in love with and went on tour for a year last year
and as you couple of you guys, are three of you at least see
us? Fantastic? Yeah, thanks one. When they were they were,
the group was it's called one Gary Mullen and the Works Gary Mullen and One
Night of Queen. Yeah yeah, and it's just a Gary's just a dedicated
Freddie Mercury. Yeah. None of us had to dress up or act like
any Queen members that we just had to play good and back them up.
Yep. It was great. He was a dedicated Freddie Mercury. Dedicated Freddie
Mercury is the words amazing showman and the band was great. And I said
this before we went to see you, Lewis and I went to see the
will the Theater in Boston, which was a nice little kind of venue,
you know, nice little theater again gray seats, and it was nice.
It was nice. And then we show you at Hampton Beach about three months
later, and it was insane. It was crazy. It's a different crowd,
different venue, but man, oh man, the place was just going
crazy. Yeah. Yeah, that's a rock and roll place that that Hampton
Casino in Beach Casino. Zeppelin played there, you know, the Doors played
there, played there. Ye. Jethro Tell played there and they had a
big riot. Wow sixty six man, yeah, wow, that place was
the dup when the Doors were there. You've been there lately exactly. Anyway,
it's crazy doors. I saw the doors and I saw nineteen sixty seven,
sixty seven, just as like my five became big. They toured and
I saw them. They were okay. But the opening act was Linda Ronstadt
and the Stone Pony with the two Eaks. I didn't know at the time,
but yeah, she's she's pretty good, you know. But there's that
kind of folk wark, that confidy folk bark. Everyone was there, the
doors and the doors. They were okay. It was you know, a
little too hippie dippy, frankly, but it was okay. It's alright.
No bass player, which I always bothered me. They had no bass player.
But even the White Stripes, you know, yeahs and he played a
piano bass, right piano bass with his left hand. Yeah. Yeah,
it's kind of one. But anyway, now it was the Hollywood Vampires.
There you go. Oh Johnny Depp, right, Anny Depp and copy Yep,
Wow are they good? Joe Perry, Yeah they're good. Yeah,
they rocked out their solid excellent, just kick ass rock and roll. You
know, nothing, nothing fancy, but you know, you get Alice Cooper
as a front man, yeah, a couple of guys from his band,
and you got Joe Perry who was playing out of his mind. Yeah.
You want to see Alice Cooper in a two weeks so yeah, so excited.
And then obviously by the time this episode releases, this will already have
happened. But on Friday, I'm going to see the Pixies. Awesome.
Wow, we've never seen him live and I'm so excited. That's great.
I'm sure they'll be great. You like the Texis, you two like the
Pixies really? Yeah. They were a great band. They inspired Nirvana that
they were they were way better than everyone thought they were. I'll have to
re listen, Okay, Yeah, I feel like they were really slept on.
Like I you know, I grew up with the Pixies and I when
I saw those tickets, I'm like that's not I'm not passing that up because
I don't know if I'll ever get a chance to see them. So my
husband and I missed a raven our wedding song that we Our first dance song
was the Pixies. Really yeah, yeah, wow, Okay, that's great.
I gotta go back and listen to them, because you know, to
come out with an awl and some guy can be at the side and pepper,
which everyone kind of does, you know what I mean. But I
just thought it was a funny thing to compare it to them, because it
just sounded like a lot of yellmen squeaming to me. I'm sorry, generation,
Hey man, you don't have any cats? Do you? Do you
have any cats? Me? Yes, No, No cats were dog people
dogs. See everyone here has cats. You're in the minority. Yeah,
I'm both people twenty minutes about cats. Cats are beautiful. I'm not against
cats. Ahead, what kind of dogs? Two doodles have poodle mixes,
So they're really cute. They have long noses, money looking faces, and
they're very intelligent and very weird. Oh really cool. Yeah. One of
them is a golden doodle, half Golden Retriever half to Yeah, and then
an Australian shepherd doodle Assy doodle, other great dogs. That's funny, yeah
yeah, yeah, that's someone has bred a miniature German shepherd. Just seeing
that miniature German shepherd. It's a miniature German shepherd. Yeah. We clergy
legs like someone stole his legs. Yeah, with like a husky. There
they're doing it with all the baker It's literally just a shrunken down version right
yeah, yeah, regular dog. Yeah. Yeah. The dog doesn't know
yah does just can't run. Yeah, you can't run very fast, little
legs. It's stuck in the snow. So you you toured with the Queen
Band for about a year, right, yeah, but you're eleven months I
think or ten months okay, And and that was great. You loved it,
You fell back in love with that type of thing. Yeah, well
I loved it. It was like a miniature version of the fourteen Years and
counting crows to say that. I loved it for three months or four months,
and then I started to miss home and family and just being still in
one place with cancer, which I hears a homebody, you know, and
so on girl, water sign, Yes, I'm a water sign, are
you what what sig are you? I hear that's the most evolved one there.
Well, sure awful, Wow, yeah, I'm uh so. I
just I don't belong out there on the roadboat. Even even though it was
the perfect situation. I really loved the band, they loved me. I
loved the really good guys. They were good guys, yes, yeah,
but I just couldn't do it. I couldn't keep up the pace. Yeah,
right, right? Is it? This? One of the Rolling Stones
either wrote a book. His quote was five years working, twenty five years
hanging around. Yeah, you know, and I was Charlie Watts, so
you could kind of see that in a way. I mean, you know,
they were like so huge, but but you are. Do you spend
a typical day just kind of hanging out and waiting for the show, waiting
and waiting, waiting, and then you do it and then you collapse and
it's that's all over again. Yeah. Yeah, it's a lot of time
on a bus or I guess if you're in the Stones, it's a lot
of time in a private plane. They would set up a home base in
Chicago and fly private to their gigs every day all around the Midwest. That's
the way. Yeah, why not playing back, you know in the day
off turks and cakes and you know it must be nice, yes, yeah,
but you know someone has to do it. And they're doing it,
you know what I mean, they're they're they're doing it. And you saw
some of that. You guys toured with the Rolling Stones back in the Yeah,
we did a few shows the Voodoo Lounge, or we did all around
the middle of America actually Midwest. And that's when I learned about their Chicago
home base. Yeah, we're driving me on a nice bus, so I
can't complain, but we're they did they let you stay there with them?
Or they're like, oh no, no, you gotta go back on your
bus. Yeah, no, they didn't know that we couldn't get on They
wouldn't fly, Like if we played in Nashville, they would go fly a
private plane back to Chicago that night, so we couldn't get on the plane
with them. But what what a lifestyle. But it had to be Wicked
five. But they were good guys? Were they good guys? Are they
just as an outside of looking in and they had to be Wicked five?
Yes, and Mac they were all really nice people. They were really good
people. In fact, I had a feeling that when you're at the mountaintop,
it's easy to just be a be decent and be nice to people.
They're taking all their opening bands are welcome to come to their their dressing area,
which isn't stadiums, so it's like a you know, size of a
house and the backstage area, and they have a snookers table and we'd play
there and you know, Ron Wood would come up and help me to take
a shot and show me the right way to do it and then walk away,
and you know, they just let us into their house, and that
is very good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't have
to be a dick because you're on top of the mountain, like you say,
you know, you on the field er. Yeah, but some reck
styles are jerks, right, oh yeah. And I've come to realize in
life. I wish I knew this younger. But if you're a jerk,
it means you're hiding something, that means you're hurting your limitations. You're afraid
of showing your limitations. Yeah yeah, yeah, and it's it's cowardice is
what makes people interest. I mean, you know the story of not to
talk to anyone that that, you know, but the story of the Eagles,
for instance, it's turned into a music segment, The Story of the
Eagles written from the guy who wrote Hotel California, Don Felder basically wrote that
song. And there's one song. I never have to hear that again.
Okay, I've heard of once twice. That's enough. But that's a huge,
huge song, huge song. And they're a huge band and their greatest
hits was a huge ahead. They thought they were breaking up and all of
a sudden, but the two Glen Fry and the other guy who's still around,
Don Hamlet, just had this thing about it's gonna be us, It's
not going to be these other guys, you know, and they would they
would constantly bullying these guys. Don Fry was really Clint Fry was really really
bad to their help and their roadies and making fun of people with disabilities and
stuff. There wasn't really really nasty, nasty stuff because in their mind,
the other guys in the band were just one second away from taking over,
you know, I mean, the other guys in the band who were the
musicians. Let's Fay said, from taking over. And if you listen to
Ton filled his book, which you know it was Watson all he said,
the last thing I want to do was you know, be Eagles Incorporated.
You know, we just wanted to play. And those two guys, every
mind of the day, were worrying about this and that and pretty calculating.
It's sad. It was a sad story because he didn't enjoy one minute of
it. Uh huh. Yeah. But there's so many types of there's so
many ways to be a broken person. And when you get in the band,
you're going to be in there with probably somebody who's in charge. It
might be broken in some way or another, whether they're a tyrant or a
narcissist or I don't know, even a manic depressive. And I mean,
God bless them all for having whatever diseasi they have to work through. But
you have to live with them as your boss in a decade and that's not
easier. Yeah, and does it? Does? Does it? Yeah?
They say what the Beatles, You just say, you know, when we
hated each other, but when we started playing, everything was okay. Does
playing the show even everything out of you know, forgive and forget for two
hours. Yeah, there's that definite energy that comes from having you know,
five thousand or twenty thousand people yelling at you and happy that you're there,
and uh, it pumps up your ego, I guess, you know.
So you spend every night trying to wind down on the bus and get some
sleep, and then every day trying to gear up for the night's concert again,
over and over. You know. Yeah, yeah, years and years
I've ever seen that with August and everything else on regular airplay with a number
of tracks from it. You're competing with a lot of name acts in the
early nineties, in the middle of the nineties, where'd you think of that
intensity with with the amount of rising stars that were, you know, really
hitting the alternative airway competition nineties? Yeah, yeah, well, the nineties
were a weird time looking back at it. It was the grunge era kind
of coming and turning into an Americana thing with Hoody and the Bluefish and Counting
Crews and uh and everyone had their flannels and I don't know, it's it's
odd. Yeah, the Smashing Pumpkins and teesche Mode that really walk in Tool
yeah, corn Yeah, it got more aggressive with Tool and corn yeah,
melon mel blind melon blind melon, yeah, exactly. Yeah, but everyone
was getting their major label record deals in the night. It was a strange
time. You know. It was all about radio airplay and you know Saturday
Night Live and Letterman and so you did SAT you played set live, right,
yeah? And how long how long had you been in the band when
that happened? By doing the band in the fall of nineteen ninety when it
was starting, I was one of the co founders. We did Saturday Night
Live I think in ninety ninety three, January of ninety three, okay,
so two years. Yeah, yeah, we had finished our making our record.
We recorded our record in ninety two and it was out in the fall.
I'm sorry, it was out in the fall of ninety three, I
think, and it was January ninety four we played Satday Night Live. And
the Saturday Night Live is what really broke the band because it was the record
had been out for about five months and had sold a total of forty thousand
record We were going on CD sales back then, and everyone was thrilled,
and the label was like, this is a good start the next record,
We're gonna do some more. And then Saturday Night Live we played it in
the week later we had sold one hundred thousand records and it was like that
for the next seven or eight months. Man, the power of that show
is crazy. It's not funny, but it has showcased a lot of bands.
Yeah, yeah, makes or breaks, you know, And so how
do you find that out? Who does do they contact you? What does
your management? You know? I had this habit of calling the management every
week and saying, how many sales this week? Yeah? Yeah, you're
the guy. Okay, Yeah, I was obsessed with it. A couple
other guys did the two, but I was I was just curious. It's
a smash record, and is it still a smash this week? Yeah?
So it still is June March, April May, so no smash mach Still
it's number three. It didn't go to number one, but the second record
was released as a number one record. Yeah, really didn't sell as well.
It wasn't as classics. Still a really good record. The first album
was really Yeah, the first album was really. That's a good record,
yeah, that first one. Yeah, and you've told me to kind of
the inside stories for some reason. August and everything after I think my daughter
and my daughter saw you guys with me at the show in Lowell and the
sound The house sound guys asked my daughter if if they wanted if she wanted
to sit on their riser and watch the show from their vantage point, and
they were they had previously been working directors for The Stone. We know what
that means. I was talking to them all the time during this, during
the staging, and I told you a million times I was a union guy
doing that stuff. And they had a mosh pit there, and as Alison
decided, thanks for the invite to be on the riser watching the show,
but you wanted to participate in the mash pit? Do you remember the actually
at a show a few weeks ago, and I hadn't seen this band in
easily ten years, and I couldn't believe they had two separate mash pits.
Wasn't like I'm in his bayside, I'm actually wearing the T shirt that I
bought there, and I'm like, I'm in my thirties. I can't do
a mash pit anymore. Ben there done that, And I was just standing
all the way in the back like watching people and I'm like, I couldn't
believe people were still shing. I didn't know it was still a thing.
People knew it broken hips and stuff now yeah, yeah, like if I've
tried to do it, I'd be bedridden for a week easily. So Matt,
I saw a YouTube video view and you were playing. It had to
be some festival. There were like fifty five thousand people at this thing?
Was that glass and very something? It looked like, look British. There's
one called pink pop that we would do. It was really big. That
was in Belgium. Where was that? Was that in Brussels? Or okay,
yeah, this was big? Does that I mean do you get I've
asked this before? I mean, did you get stage fright? Do you
are you anxious before you go on? Or because you play so many shows,
you do it so often that that's the way to conquer any fears.
It's just keep doing it over and over. And it's a lot like treading
water. If you can play in front of, you know, three hundred
people in a nightclub in Washington, DC, you can open for eighty thousand.
It's just like if you can tread water and ten feet of water,
you can tread water at one hundred feet of water. Yeah yeah, wow,
wow play the same show, you know? Yeah? Yeah? And
and so and and and you would so you would play the show and then
uh, with a group, he's involved, you can tell us. I
was just kind to ask about Yeah, they were I somehow, I've always
been the kind of a geek, and so I didn't relate on that way.
In fact, I was kind of a nervous Uh you could stay say
this rock star or whatever. Because when I would meet fans after the show,
they'd know my name, they'd be shaking and can I can I just
sign the CD? I would feel bad and give them a hug and say,
I'm just a you know, it's okay, I'm just a geek candle,
and then they'd get kind of bummed out. So I learned to try
to be impressive with them. I wouldn't ruin there and pray their idea of
what man Ally's confession confession. It's funny like the fans, like the people
were like bummed out because like I've got to see people and like you know,
sometimes they kind of mingle and you know, we'll watch the other bands
that are on and like I feel like that makes me feel better when I
see that, Like not this isn't like the way that like like quote unquote
human side, which like it sounds terrible, but like that's like the only
way I can like explain it, you know, like I just feel like
good seeing that, Like it's like a comforting thing to me. Yeah.
Yeah, maybe my energy was like so nervous or such so geeky that I
wass wow wow. But I don't think you're giving yourself enough credit. Thanks
so Rason. But yeah, I so on the whole group of thing.
I kind of sideline that whole thing. I didn't I wasn't part of it.
I don't know what the guys did, uh, I mean they remember,
they would like I'm kind of the spiritual type because I go to India,
I'm looking I'm trying to kick start some machine in my life, and
so my attention isn't on how beautiful the bartender was in Sweden last night,
and they about that, and I too, kind of like an outsider sometimes,
you know, in the band, making sure you packed your burk and
stuff. Yes, yes, exactly. I don't say that that was a
fan something from Guns and Roses, just you know a bevy of groupies and
I saw some of them. Everyone would be twenty feet near them. They
were looking delete Delete, Wow, I saw it happen. Wow. I
Guns and Roses, they they played Fenway Park, I think last night.
Yeah, I can't believe. I don't know who's in it for sure,
but really, yeah, they were a little overrated, don't you think,
Hello a little bit slash slash. Yes, I'm so glad this turned into
like an unexpected music I enjoyed Guns and Roses definitely. I saw them when
they came out with two CDs in a row that era yea. The title
of that was that was the first president I ever bought Lois believe it or
not. But yeah, I know that's all insight into into the brain of
Mac maloney, the brain of Lois. But Guns and Poses, come on,
I mean, they couldn't watch that their video, you know, and
and they like see, I don't think the Stones ever like did anything outrageous
just to do something outrageous. I think they just did it, you know,
the same with Keith Moon, It wasn't he was just a nut.
It was just a nut who happened to be Rocks great player. They seemed
to me, they seemed like there it was very kind of calculated cookiness,
you know. Yeah, the Stones were life altering to see lives? Has
everyone's seen this? We went one one and I went a four years ago.
There's no way I could afford those tickets. Yeah, yeah, it
was expensive. That was great? Was it? No filter? No filter
to each other? Nineteen j He just came back. He had postponed stuff
for about a month and then he came back for his hot thing. And
they were great. They were I went on, I want to talking me
into it, and I remember thinking, well, I meant someone said,
you've probably said if you don't do it now, when you're gonna see them,
you know, And and I thought, well, this would be the
closest to see in the Beatles because the the Beatles. So we went was
in Gillette Stadium. We're up close. It was the great seats. In
twenty seconds, I turned them and said, they're great. They're just yeah,
they're great. And they were great. I think you're gonna like the
show. They tend not to mail it in. They do not mail it
in. Yeah, that's a good way to put it. Yeah. Yeah,
they were. They're an education on how rock and roll should go.
Yeah, yes, and the song writing, like they go into tumbling dies
and then you know, like the brass and the backup seat. Yeah,
yeah, that's cool. And then the application is so sloppy and beautiful.
Yeah it's it's a real. Yeah, it's a real I want to say,
shows not like a formula formulaic. Yeah, you know, like it's
going to sound like the record. No, no, no, no record.
That sounds better. I was going to sound right, Yeah, sounds
different on every show. Well they show up and they play, yes,
the show. I mean you should be worried if it sounds exactly like the
record because that's suspicious. Yeah. Yeah, that's like my thoughts. Like
when I go to see shows, I expect it to be different, and
I like that it's different. You know, like I feel like what they
just had that video of a Cardi B whipping her microphone at somebody. She
had every right to do it. They threw a freaking drink at her,
but the track kept playing. That sucks, But I'm like, wow,
that's what's going on a lot of that, Like, you know, I
understand like, yeah, she got a drink thrown at her, but they
paid money to see her and she's not really performing. Yeah that's what is
she kind of harmonizing with herself, like the backing track is like a different
it's just like a layered sounding nerve there, Okay, Taylor Swift. She
but I saw the video and it was like it was like that, actually,
Simpson, and that was talking about ending the starting career is an ending
career? Is when she I heard that she had asked people, like a
couple of minutes earlier to throw water on her because she was hot up on
stage. And then she moved to a different part of the stage and this
person threw a drink at her. So she had been but she had been
asking people to throw water on her supposedly, I don't know what you wanted.
And then when this person did it, they did it. Their timing
wasn't great, and they threw it at her when she moved about ten feet
down the stage, and then she got pissed off and through the mic adam,
which people are going, well, you know those people over there did
it, and you asked him to do it. Now we were just continuing
her. So I don't know, sing, sing, sing, And what
about Taylor Swift's piano playing a Gillette by herself? I mean it was pouring
rain, I mean, and you know I got to give the girl credit.
She stood out there in the rain and it was raining buckets. It
wasn't just like a light rain. And she stood there for two hours and
did show. And then the next night, same place. You know,
her piano started playing itself. Okay, matt, let me just ask forgot
about five minutes, Leven, Let me ask you just this question. Wouldn't
it be hot At one of the Gillette shows he talked about the other day
at w what happened was what the coach of the Patriots. Oh he was
been Bill Peli and c Taylor Swift. He should be in studying the book
with the rest of the team. So she was tough. She was calm
down, listen, Matt, let me just ask you real quick, okay,
because we're running out of time. Wouldn't it be hotter? Wouldn't it
be easier just to get a band that could play the song instead of having
to sync up? I can see a lot of moving pots when you're when
you're you know you, when you're lip syncing playing music. It playing music
is bliss for a musician. And it's a shame that the bands will go
up there and lip sync and just pretend maybe they're tired or they're just tired
of touring and they kind of give up and just don't want to put in
an effort. But to be in the Rolling Stones would be bliss because,
like one one said, you don't play anything the same twice. You just
you just play. What if you feel out the stadium and you feel out
your baits and yourself and you play what you want and everyone trusts that you're
not going to suck. And you know, the nineties was a bad time
for bands because in counting Crows is responsible for this too, is that we
we'd practice and then go play what we practiced, you know, because if
anyone started to do something different, there would be this distrust. Well,
you can't just explore informans, you know, we have to you have to
play what you practice. And everyone was doing that. Yeah, there's there's
a level of bands that always will be doing that. And the Stones have
just blasted out of that box since the sixties. So as opposed to just
coming in, coming in and playing what you want to play and playing what
you feel, you're instead you're practicing stuff practice. Yes, yeah, it
involves a couple of things. You have to not suck. You have to
be able to explore and do things that don't suck, and your mates have
to trust you you're not gonna suck. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
I've done recording sessions with musicians like that. There's a guy named Richard Thompson
Peru. I did a recording session with a songwriter who died named Emmett Rhodes
in La and Richard came and these they were hard songs, that they were
like beatle chords and that they they you don't you don't expect that chord.
And Richard was gonna solo over this, and I showed him the chord chart,
which a musician is like a it's like a map for a musician,
okay, and he didn't want to see it. He just went by ear.
So it was like recording with like John Coltrane or something, because it
hit me the level of this guy's on yeah yeah, normal, yeah yeah.
You turned on the mics and they go yeah yeah, and you go
and and and everything you played was great, no bad notes. He took
like five takes so we could edit them later, and it just hit me
that that's the level that all musicians should strive for. Nothing less. Yeah
yeah, yeah, yeah wow. And so another reason to like the sto
on the stage and like feeling that energy that you're staring at. That's like
I've never experienced that. That has to be like huge, like that has
to impact you in some way, you know. Yeah. Yeah. We
opened for the Stones once in Vienna. This was after the Boodle Lounge two.
This was an O three because my dad had just died a month before
and we happened to be in Vienna with them and they had us open a
show and the back is everything okay though, yeah, okay, yeah,
thanks Ramuh. We opened a show in Vienna for them, and I remember
the weather was like there were like eighty thousand, ninety thousand people and the
weather like thunderstorm came and then it cleared up as the moon came out and
the Stones came. So it's like you're doing a gig with God, is
what it felt like. You know, It's such a vast arena and the
weather behaves for you. It was just amazing. I can't imagine that it
was in Vienna. I don't know the name of it, but it was
an O three. Probably dad died in April, so it was June or
July of oh three, The Stones were a tour. They played in Vienna.
At one of those there was a band. Who's the band who did
photograph Defth Weapon? Maybe the forty Licks tour because they played, Yeah,
they once again. They toured for a couple of years in a row,
which they you know, they don't do that much anymore. But they ended
up at Fenway part two during that era in two thousand and five, they're
in Fenway Park. The the guy in Defth Weapon when you know his his
the drummer had lost his arm in a car accident, Okay, and so
then he right and it took them about two years to come back, and
they basically said to him, you know, we want you to stay.
If you can figure out a way to stay, we want you to stay.
And he did. He is you know, a lot of leftos involved
in his drumming. So when he came back, they were starting a tour
and they decided they weren't going to make a big deal out of it.
They were just going to introduce him, you know, as part of the
band halfway through the show whenever they would do it, you know, But
when they walked out on stage, everyone saw this guy, and the guy
I think is leading. His name is Joe Elliott. He says it was
like fifty thousand people turned on their hair driers and I just got hit.
We just got hit with this, you know, people screaming for this guy,
you know. And I thought that was an interesting way of fifty thousand
hand driers. Yeah, that like that like electricity almost like just kind of
force it. Yeah. Yeah, And he didn't know. They didn't know,
and probably the drummer himself didn't know that. You know, people felt
this way, you know what I mean that they felt this way. They
thought they were they were going to lowball it, you know. But yeah,
that's where I also saw that it's a young man's game, because I
don't know if I'm developing a nice anxiety disorder as I get older. But
there was one show with the Queen Band I did last year in Chicago and
a little abrena that holds about forty five hundred people, and they sold it
out, so forty five hundred people came. And when I was backstage getting
a little nervous because me and the keyboards were talking and realizing it's like we're
throwing a party. And there's only five of us, and hundred people have
come to our party. Yeah, look at us. So what if my
pants fall down? You know, like I guess she gots kind of scared.
I was younger. I didn't think of any of that. You know.
It wasn't a huge show, but it was sold out and they were
really excited, and it's just final us. Yeah, I mean, doesn't
seem isn't I mean, isn't it funny? Like just about my own experience
would get like two minutes? It's funny for me to think someone buying one
of my books, you know what I mean. I can't. I can't
close my eyes and imagine someone you know buying it and U huh, you
know, and and and I'm wondering if it's it's almost like the same things.
It wasn't Todd in the beginning to think, Wow, someone is buying
tickets to come and see us. Yeah, yeah, and records good money
for it too. And also last year with the Queen Band, I learned
that I'm just not suited to live on the road. I don't want to
live on the road. Yeah, how about if you had a private jet?
Yeah? Maybe I think about it. Okay, which makes the monkey
dance. That's a good tattoo. Thank you Matt to join me us.
We really appreciate it. We're going to clap you off and make it sound
like fifty thousand people. Thank you, Matt. We really appreciate it.
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