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going, my friend, It's another day of the sun. I'm glad to
be here with you. How are you, writer, I'm doing great,
and I'm really excited to do another nice, laid back conversation episode with you
again, my friend. I really enjoyed doing these. These are a lot
of fun. Yeah they are. We can talk about things in a rational,
objective way, or at least as objective as we can humanly be,
not fall victim to the dichotomous hilarities. Well, it was something while I
was playing that intro I forgot to mention in our previous episode on the Secret
Teachings last week that there was a section of the TMZ documentary UFO Revolution that
they use stock footage that is also a part of my intro. Oh that's
right, you told me that. Yeah, they got the same b ro,
Yeah, same b role. So this high budget documentary on two B
is also using shutter stock for their stock footage. They don't have enough money
to go out there and actually film things. It's unbelievable. So what I
wanted to talk to you about today is we have some breaking news. There's
a new alien autopsy video that was just released of an alien at Area fifty
one. A researcher went through the Area fifty one archive and this is really
huge. Guys, come on now because it's also related to the MJ twelve
documents. But really quickly, before I show the video, let's get your
thoughts Ryan on the MJ twelve documents in general. Are they fake? Are
they real? What's going on with the MG twelve documents? My personal opinion,
for whatever it's worth, without telling the whole story again and talking about
the microfilm and the letter in the mailbox and all that, the anonymy of
anonymity of it, I think that the Majesty twelve documents are probably sophisticated fakes
based on what I've read, what I've seen, I think the bigger conspiracy
or the bigger issue isn't so much what the documents seem to imply. If
we believe that they were real. I think it's that what they imply,
considering the evidence that they're fake, that somebody, and probably not just a
average person like you or I, somebody with a knowledge of military government top
secret documents, how those things work, and how they're put together, the
seals and the organization of it, and all that the format would go to
such trouble to make fake documents and to spread those documents. That clearly shows
that there is some sort of disinformation misinformation campaign that has been in the works
and in play for a very long time. And so again I circle back
around and say, I think that it's not necessarily what the documents might imply
in terms of extraterrestrials and UFOs and cleaning up bodies and crashes. I think
it's what they imply considering that they're probably fake based on the evidence that we've
seen. And as a result of that, why would somebody go to such
lengths to create such sophisticated documents to I guess, mis and disinform the public.
Does that make sense? That's that's my current take. Yeah, it
does make a lot of sense. And the community is basically divided on if
they are real, they're fake. I think more people think that they're hoaxes
than I believe that they're real. That's the paradigm again, like we've talked
about on my Friday show on the Secret Teachings, Right, you can believe
or disbelieve within the paradigm, and outside of that paradim is a whole new
area of research that doesn't really get looked at because we're too busy fighting over
belief systems. They're real, they're not real, And everybody that says that
they're real, everybody says that they're not real. A huge percentage of the
people on both sides. I've never really looked at them or researched them.
They just seen a documentary where they read about it in an alien book.
Not saying people are stupid, I'm just saying like the average person hasn't researched
them. So, you know, you just get what you're told and you
just repeat that. Just like in politics or religion or certain social issues,
your belief is created by the echo chamber that you live in. You got
to step out of that chamber and you got to step out of the paradigm.
Yeah, and then also when you look at the MG twelve documents,
because a lot of the MG twelve stuff is really revolved around the Secretary of
the Navy, James Forrestal some some ware shape or form, being involved in
being a part of this super secretive crash retrieval reverse engineering of alien technology named
MJ twelve or Majestic twelve. And then his mysterious death of falling out of
the I think it was the twelfth story window of Beth. Does the Naval
hospital just kind of a suspicious death by I think that we tend to just
insert things when something doesn't make sense. It's and we've talked about it several
times that when we don't know the full truth behind something, we just create
our own truth and we'll just insert things in there, and we'll be like,
oh, well, he must have been killed, he must have been
assassinated. Someone must have pushed him out of the twelve story window. But
does the Naval hospital it made him seem like he was crazy and he had
mental problems and then they assassinated him. Because the whole fairy tale and the
whole mythology surrounding it is that James Forrest All wanted to release the technology that
they had been working on the reverse engineering and the downcraft that they had found
he had flipped to the opposite side, and then they made him out to
be crazy. They you know, maybe did some form of mk ultra implantation
on him and then it made him kind of go out of his mind,
and then he got admitted to be as the Naval hospital and then soon after
fell out of the twelve story window of the hospital and died. So there's
a lot of conspiracy and conjecture and hyperbole that's mixed in with the UFO lore
and this entire story. It's sort of like the Admiral Bird story as well.
Yes, and you have a couple of other great cases of people that
just mysteriously die, like that General Patent mysteriously died after what his breaks went
on his car first and he goes into the hospital. He wanted to fight
the Soviets and establishment didn't want that so temple to assassinate him. And the
same thing with Gary Webb who broke that drug story and he killed himself by
shooting himself in the back of the head. There's a lot of history of
that with whistleblowers and people that are within government. I will actually say that.
Richard Dolan is very his statement about that in that UFO documentary we talked
about last week, it's very accurate. A lot of whistleblowers and people within
the government do mysteriously turn up dead or people that turn up missing. It's
a very common thing for that to happen. But would they go as far
as to do that to UFO disclosure people? I mean, people don't even
really majority of the population doesn't really believe in it anyway, So what would
be the reason for them to take somebody out that is talking about and extraterrestrials.
It really doesn't make any sense to me. Now, other things that
happened, yeah, I can see that, But things that people don't even
believe in to begin with and then taking them out, well, it doesn't
really make sense. I have I have a thought on that. So remember
I mentioned last week that I read, you know, the Alienagenda book by
Jim Mars a long time ago, and there was this There was a section
in the book about how Bob Lazar, this is Jim Mars writing with some
quotes from Bob Blazar. Bob Lazar thought even thought he might have been showing
fake stuff the government showed him fake stuff to spread some story. I reread
that section in the Jim Mars book, and I think that there was a
quote from Bob Lazar. If I remember this correctly, I have to go
get the book. And Bob Lazar said something to the effect of that when
they came after me, just hear me out here, when they came after
me, or you know, he got run off the road and was followed
by black cars, or something to that effect. He said, that makes
me know, lets me know, that makes me think that what I'm saying
is definitely true. But I have a different point of view on that.
I'm thinking just because let's say the government, and that's a big entity,
but let's say certain segments or certain individuals, probably more than fragments or groups,
did do something like that to somebody. And most people think, like,
well, if someone comes after you, if someone targets you, that
must mean what you're saying is true. Like, well, it could work
the opposite way. They could do that to you so that you would the
public might think if that person dies, well, that must mean what they
what they said was true, when it just as well could have been a
myth. It could have been made up and then people start to believe the
made up stuff. So that's my other, you know, the other side
of the coin or the equation. I think. I'm not saying that's the
case, but just an idea. No, I agree with that. I
agree with that a lot. Because there was this post on X the other
day that was directed toward David Ike and they were going after David Ike and
saying that David Ike isn't spreading any kind of truth, and they listed all
the people that have died mysteriously that were supposedly spreading real information and spreading truth,
and at the end of it they were like, why hasn't David Ike
been killed? I'm like, that is a really screwed up philosophy to take
on that, you know, like, do you want these people to be
a martyr? And does that mean that just because they're dead, that means
that they were speaking the truth? No, it doesn't, That's right,
It doesn't at all. And that's a fallacy, is what that is.
That's actually I think what I don't care if it's It could be the politics
of something like abortion, or it could be the politics of something like a
border policy. It could be religious ideas could be anything. Most of us
believe and think and act within the realm of fallacy, but most of us
argue within fallacy. I mean the most common one is because you don't like
what someone's saying, you attack their their appearance, or you attack something else
about them or their family or their some some other belief that's unrelated. And
I mean that's I don't know how I feel about it, but I think
that's That's exactly what the media did to David Grush as well. I mean,
maybe he is mentally unstable, but without really addressing even the idea of
what he said, a lot of the media really did paint him as this,
well, he had PTSD, or he had he was admitted to the
psychiatric was that a psychiatric hospital or something he has he has issues mentally.
I mean, that's the that's the basis of a lot of the ways that
we argue and debate things. Is the ad hominem attack. And then there's
a whole list of other fallacies that that we utilize and we don't even know
it. But you're totally right, go ahead, But that just proves my
point though, Ryan, Like we just had a I suppose what's or and
David Grush give a congressional hearing about the stories and the things that he's heard
secondhand knowledge, and people didn't believe it, Like, why would you take
somebody out if there if people aren't going to believe what they're saying anyway,
And the only thing that I can think of is, like what you're talking
about, well, they would take them out in order to instill the myth
into people's minds. That's the only other reason that I can think of.
Like, even if someone has information that proves the existence of extraterrestrials or UFOs
or aliens from other planets or whatever, a majority of the population isn't going
to believe it anyway. By default. They just aren't. If you had
whatever would be considered one accurate proof, a percent of the population, You're
right, would not believe it regardless, by just by default. And likewise,
you have plenty of examples of this things that are one provably false and
by default a percentage of the population believes it regardless. That's that echo chamber,
And that's the dichotomous thinking. Again. Yeah, the door swings both
ways on it. It totally does. Yes, it was one in extremes
of the other I've found it as you have, and I would imagine some
of your listeners perhaps have, and some of my listeners on the Secret Teachings
actually know a lot of my listeners on the Secret Teachings have recognized that these
kinds of discussions don't sell. Like I'm not even talking about monetary selling.
I'm talking about like a monetary selling is also energy, but some talking about
energetic selling. Like most people in the UFO community are not interested. Let's
just be straightforward. We know I know from personal experience, people are not
interested in hearing something that makes them think on average, on average, That's
why I'm not going to use names. But that's why at let's say,
I mean a ton of conferences, that's why. And that's a microcosm.
It's not like a survey almost what are people most interested in the group of
people that go to see someone who says that they've been to space and they've
talked to aliens, that group is huge compared to someone who does a presentation
on something that's very scientific and that can be very provable. I think the
only exception to that is and I will use his name because I like the
guy Graham Hancock, I mean, Graham Hancock is I mean, one of
the smartest people I think I've ever met, one of the most humble people
I think I've ever met. And his room is always packed. And I
sometimes wonder is that because he's been on TV a lot, and he's been
around since Art Bell and since the nineties, all this stuff for so long.
He just has that following. But a lot of people that try to
give presentations on things, and again this is a microcosm atic conference. Most
people kind of migrate to the sensationalism and the stuff that's not really provable by
any metric or stretch of the imagination. And that's knowing that, I mean
since the fifties, as you and I have discussed with the Robertson panel report,
knowing how the public reacts like that, and understanding Bernesian propaganda, if
you will. It's very easy to push people in one direction or another with
a simple news story, with a documentary or whatever the case is, because
people are very malleable, particularly when they're in groups and begin to or they
don't think for themselves, they think within the group mentality. So of course
government agencies understand that the CIA makes. You know, CIA folks make a
living off of that. I mean, remember the A good example of this
is the what was that video called? It was like the US Army fourth
Psychological Division. Did you see that video the Ghost in the Machine? Oh,
you have to look this up. So it was basically like if you
can look it up now, it really great for the video audience if they
haven't seen it. It's literally a it's like a two minute video about who
controls the world, who coup pulls the strings, and it's encouraging people to
join the military Psychological Operations Unit. It came out I think it was last
year. If you type in ghost, go some machine, cie war,
yep, sie war, And it's basically like trolling and mocking, but it's
also a recruitment video. Reportedly, it's just an example of the level of
psychological stressors and the level of psychological manipulation that we're that we're going through.
So just because someone dies, or it's because someone is injured, or because
someone is disparaged by the media, doesn't mean that what they're saying is true.
It just as well as as I said a moment ago, could mean
that what they're saying is not true, but somebody somewhere wants you to believe
that it is true. And so that's why that person is not so often
taken out, but more often than not, they have their character destroyed.
And actually, I think I think the best example of this real quick story.
You know, you know Jim Mars, when Jim Mars was very sick,
like he was pretty sick, and he was in the hospital. And
I know this for a fact because I talked to him while he was in
the hospital. I called him on the phone. I didn't know he was
in the hospital at the time. I called him on the phone and I
asked him if he'd like to do another show, because we did a lot
of radio together, and he said, I would love to. He said,
but sadly, like right now, I'm in the hospital, I'm not
feeling that great. And I said, oh, okay, I hope that
you take it easy and you feel better, and got off the phone with
him. And he passed away not long after that, and people knew that
I knew him really well, and I started getting phone calls, emails,
text messages people that I thought were pretty objective and they were asking me was
Jim Mars killed. Did they did? Did? Did the cabal kill him?
I said no, Well how do you know? Well, why did
you ask me? First of all, if you don't believe what I'm telling
you. Second of all, I just talked to him on the phone in
the hospital and he died because he had I don't want to get into the
details, but he died of something that was very natural let's call it,
okay, very natural or unnatural, but natural in the sense of a lot
of people succumbed to it. And but I had people telling me, no,
that can't be true. It's like, well, then why did you
even ask me what my opinion was? Because I knew him, Because I
didn't say that the cabal killed him. Now you don't believe me either.
They're going to believe whatever they want to believe, regardless of the facts laid
out before them. It doesn't matter what side of the euphological aisle you sit
or stand on. That's the point. I think that when it comes to
Graham Hancock and people like that, the reason that they get that kind of
popularity it is, my personal opinion is that they have to like your personality.
They have to like you as an individual marketable. Again, exactly,
if they like you as an individual, they like your thoughts and your commentary
on things, then it doesn't really matter what you're saying. Like Graham Hancock
could be talking about the things that other wacky people talk about at these conferences,
it wouldn't matter because people like him as an individual, and he got
a lot of publicity through the Joe Rogan podcast as well, the biggest podcast
on the planet too, and long form discussions with these people. See people
on the internet get to know somebody by the things that they talk about in
the kind of conversations that they have and the type of banter and the kind
of back and forth. It's really about the personality of the individual and do
they like that individual. It doesn't even come down to as much as what
they're saying. It's do I like this person? Do I want to hear
more of what this person is saying? Do I like them enough to want
to hear more about what they're talking about? Right? That's how a Graham
Graham Hancock, I believe, can pack out every single one of these conferences.
I went to the one contact in the desert and the thing was full
dude like God to like almost fight for a seat, and this is like
a big auditorium and there's people standing in the back to hear him talk for
two hours. You know, that comes down to personality. I think personality
comes first, information second, and then uh, marketability, marketability third.
Well that's what a lot I mean, almost all of its marketability. It
doesn't. And I'm not saying that's a good thing or a bad thing,
because it's just about as much marketability about the people that I like as I
as I necessarily as I don't necessarily like. And I think that goes probably
for you too. There are plenty of people that you like and they're marketable,
and that's good. I'm glad that they're being able to talk and say
the things that they are. And oh yeah, I wasn't saying anything disparaging
about Graham Hancock. I love Graham Hancock, and it's a plus that he's
a likable individual and he has put the he has amazing knowledge. There's been
all these sites. You can tell you verbat him right off the top of
his head about every single ancient site probably in the world. You know what's
interesting a matter of fact, speaking of Graam Hancock, have you ever read
his Supernatural book? Sorry, there's snow falling off of the back window.
I thought there was something weird scratching up here. I thought I had a
demon up here. But it's just snow here. Hardcorener's That's why I was
thinking around. I thought the UFO tractor beam was trying to pull you out.
It's trying to get me. Yeah, I just figured it out because
I've been hearing it for like the past five minutes. I was like,
what is that? I want to I want to give you two quick examples
of something if I can't speak of speaking of Graham Hancock. And maybe,
by the way, maybe the aliens they maybe they drop the snow on your
window or something, the most logical explanation. Have you read super Natural one
of his new books? No? I haven't, well, not new but
new er books. I did go to a three day conference of Graham Hancock
speaking eight hours a day, listen to a lot of his presentations. So
yeah, yeah, it's it's it's I mean, all of his stuff.
I don't think I've really found much of what he's written that wasn't utterly fascinating.
I love his stuff, but just as an example, I took the
book Supernatural, and I have a copy of Jack Fallet's what do you call
it? The Passport to Magonia Magnete Magonia, which is one of the first
books written in context with what Graham Hancock talks about in Supernatural, basically the
whole the fairy lore and how that relates to Upho's. So when I was
at Roswell, I went to the seventy fifth anniversary at Roswell and there was
a big panel of speakers and I'm not going to say who they were because
I don't remember everybody. There were a few people I know, one very
famous let's say, experience Answer whose story is in the euthological mythology, like
almost a keen to Roswell, but not exactly Roswell. Famous Travis Walton,
No, not Travis Walton, famous journalists quote unquote, and a bunch of
other people on stage and people were asking questions, why do you think the
aliens are here? And they all had really great responses for that, Well,
they could be here for our DNA, and they could be here to,
you know, for our blood, and maybe they're taking the organs of
cows and just the same standard thing right, and the next person, so
what about the reptilians? Why are the reptilians here? And I'm just thinking,
oh my god, is these gonna be the same question? How many
times we're gonna ask these questions these same people, and how many times are
they gonna answer these this for the same answers. So I thought, all
right, I'm just gonna ask. I only was sitting in there for like
an hour of the whole thing, and I thought it was like, I
think it was like two hours. I was only there for an hour,
and I was gonna leave and go do something in it. But I decided,
Okay, I'm gonna ask a question. So I waited around, I
had my hand raised, and I just asked, and granted, maybe they've
never heard of this before, but it's just an example I want to give
you. I said, what do you think about the correlation between fairy lare
and UFO abductions? A fair question that you would honest, you would think
that these smart, intelligent people that have done this about as about twice as
long as I have, would have at least heard of the correlation before or
Graham Hancock's book at the time had been out for what for something five years?
You think that like someone would have got back into circulation in terms of
the content, you'd think someone would have heard of that. I got no
response from anybody. Nobody knew what to do with that question, and it
just it's and I just sat there and I thought, like that that's to
me, that's kind of like a profound thing. And you know what,
one person the audience actually responded to my question and said, yeah, but
what about the Reptilians? That was the response I got to, what's the
correlation here, what's the how do we reconcile the fairy law with uphos?
What about the Reptilians? Though? Reptilians, That's what that's what we're interested
in. It's just like you can't get across to these people. It's it
is a cult. They have their Reptilian demons, their Pladian angels, they
have their holy books. I'm not even saying they're bad books. But Sitchens
books are holy. Bondan Vondanik and I've met him, he's a really great
guy. Bondanican's books books are holy. You have the holy sites of Roswell,
Kecksburg and all these other euthhological sites. You have a UFO heaven in
hell where you either as sind or you suffer. It's in the rapture.
It's all the same theological like dogma within the UFO community. And there are
tons of people that at Graham Hancock level. I know Jim Mars was one
of them. And I was told directly by the people that work with Jim
Mars that the people at some of these conferences hated him. Why because he
was a real person, he did real research, he was a real journalist,
and they didn't like that. And we're talking big name people. I
even saw Stephen Greer, not even like salt from distance. I was there.
I was watching Jim's table. Stephen Greer came and just shoved all his
serious BS documentary stuff onto the table and he physically pushed all of Jim Mars's
stuff to the end and off the table. Like I was like, you
can't, what are you doing. I stopp him from pushing the books off,
and he just shoves all this stuff up there. That's who these people
are. There's scum. I can't stand them, dude, there's scum.
They're con artists and this is a cult and if you want it. There's
something at the core of this that's real. But the cult and the cons
the stuff's got to stop. And that's I mean, that's my personal opinion.
I'm getting a little worked up about it because I've been seeing it for
so long. It's it's disgusting. Honestly, I agree with you. But
we have an amazing in the cover. We have an amazing thing to cover
right now, which is an incredible breaking news story. And this new alien
autopsy. Did you dissect this one? I haven't. I haven't seen this.
I don't know what you have. It's brand new to your eyes and
it was brand new to my eyes sense of yesterday. So this new video
that we're gonna watch was originally reported by a whistleblower who goes by the name
blue File twenty two on YouTube, and the video appears to show a non
human biologic experimented on at Area fifty one. So here is so breaking news
everybody, the brand new alien autopsy video from Area fifty one. Here it
is baby, Okay. So what we got here is, if you're just
listening to the audio version of the show, we have a what looks like
a surgeon the alien has been cut from the collarbone down to the lower stomach,
and he has what are those called supter not scepters, but I believe
that's from the game operation clamp clamps. And then he's removing some organs out
of the stomach of this alien. And now he has the head of the
alien cut open, and he's got the scepters in there, and he's struggling
to get the brain of this alien out. And he turns the scepters the
other way and he's still struggling to get the brain of the alien out and
he's getting it pop. And I didn't know aliens are made of silicone.
Yeah, well this is uh, this is real. This is really look
like a silicone but I guess it's real. Yep. So this is very
sort of reminiscent of the original alien autopsy video that Richard Doty claims is.
And the thing that really resembles both of them is that neither in the original
alien autopsy video or this new autopsy video the surgeon does not have gloves on.
That's probably that was the first thing that I noticed with this. Why
any surgical procedure, regardless if you're doing it on a human, an animal,
a supposed extraterrestrial, you're going to have gloves on, Like, is
that not that that's like surgical procedure one O one, you would think so,
especially if it's an unknown organism. You don't want to contaminate it with
with your your your own body, the sweat, the oil, the sells
things like that, skin cells, you would think. And there's no surgical
procedure lines on it. There wasn't any surgical procedure lines on the original alien
autopsy video. There's no surgical procedure lines on this supposed alien autopsy video.
I mean, the video is obviously super fake, and but I think that
this was like a troll trolling effort from a lady named Emily Luise that has
a YouTube channel called Weird Reads with Emily Luise. And I think that she
posted this on x and I think that it was a major trolling effort just
to see how far the video could actually go and people actually take it because
she's in the thread she was like. I also have it confirmed by a
Classify sources that Whitley Strueber has viewed the above footage and confirm that the entity
was indeed pregnant at the time of the film, and then she tags Uri
Geller and as well. So it's a it's a trolling effort. But I
thought that it was important to show, just like I did the other day
on the Secret Teachings, I brought up the image that I made of a
suppose translucent UFO in the sky that I made in like two minutes, you
know, and it shows how easy it is to do. Like and this
looks like a straight up a game of you know, out of Operation I
mean, the the alien is made of silicone. He's he's pinching the body
of it is is popping up. He's just digging around in there, pulling
plastic. And I was convinced it was real. See does that heart look
like a plastic heart. That's definitely a plastic heart. It looks like a
very complex It looks like a three D version of Operation the board game.
That's what it looks like. It's the Alien Area fifty one, Edition fifty
one. Storm into Area fifty one. You get this Operation Alien doll and
then you take its Look at that liver or was that a liver. There's
lungs. It might be now, yeah, I think I might have misrepresented
it as a heart. It might be the liver. I don't know,
it could be. But whatever it is, it's plastic. It's plastic.
Well maybe they're silicone, they're ai I never so I bet you that there
are people that believe this, because you find this kind of contradiction all throughout
eufology. I wouldn't be surprised that there are people that believe that this was
real. Well at the same time believing that gray aliens, because I'm assuming
that's kind of what this thing is here, it's a little gray alien.
Well, assuming gray aliens are also these biological kind of computer program you know,
machines. So they're biological computer programs, but they still need brains and
hearts and lungs and livers and kidneys, but they're machines. At the same
time, the contradictions and eufology are just unbelievable. And I think all those
contradictions and all those questions are meant to make us so confused that we don't
know what ways up or down or left or right. Yeah, not only
that that's not the way that these surgical procedures are done. That's not how
you remove organs from anything. But you just don't. You just don't.
Yeah, you just don't go in forceps and start removing random organs. Dude,
not the way it works, especially not how you remove the brain.
If you're gonna do an experiment surgical procedure on the brain, you saw the
entire top of the head off and then you pull the skin of the head
off, so the brain's completely exposed. You just don't put a slit in
the top of the forehead and then reach in with a pair of forceps and
pull the brain out. Oh, come on, that's not how you do
it. I thought that's how you did it, Jesus. But yeah,
apparently this is I mean at the bottom says the area fifty one mg twelve,
nineteen forty seven. This is a small alien. To dude, this
is what what does that look like? Maybe two foot tall? That's that's
the Mexican alien before it got dried out. Ah, that makes sense,
before they reburied it. Yeah, they yep, they reburied it and then
the silicone kind of decomposed a little bit there and filled with dirt and they
covered it with and they just yank it out. The funniest one is the
brain He's like, he's like struggling. You can't find the brain that's just
bouncing around in this alien's head. There's nothing else attaching the brain to the
skull. It's just just floating around in there. He's like, Oh,
can I get it? No, I gotta turn it the other wall.
Lost it, just lost the brain. You know, we could do with
this. I almost don't want to say, because I feel like someone's going
to steal it from us. But I feel like we could do a We
could do like you know those kids commercials on TV. But they you know,
all the different plastic toys or the new games, like hey kids,
you want to dissect an alien? And then the kids are all excited and
it's in color, and then the kids are playing with the alien and they
show you how to think in the commercial, all these kids commercials that we
could make a kid's commercial out of that. It's an Operation Alien edition.
Operation Alien sounds like a name of a classified project. Operation Alien. Yeah,
Operation Alien. But I mean obviously the video was you know, posted
as a joke, and you know, but it just proves how easy it
is. Like and another thing too, do you think that this this is
pretty clear footage. This is pretty freaking clear footage for something in nineteen forty
seven. I mean, we'd led to believe that video quality is that good
in nineteen forty seven. It's well, this is the camera that they got
off of the flying saucer that crashed. This is alien technology. Writer.
Maybe it looks like a shot with maybe like a handicam or a GoPro handicam.
Yeah, definitely a sony handicam. And then I love this part yanks
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Area fifty one, brand new alien r autopsy from the archives at Area fifty
one. And this gentleman using force ups with no gloves on, doing a
surgical procedure, just ripping these organs out of this two foot tall alien.
This is riveting footage. I have to watch it again. This is my
favorite part. I love thisep Nope, didn't get it, missed it it's
going going deeper. Now really grab it right, it's fishing around there,
you go. There's no there's no body fluid, there's no anything. I
mean, you can see the freaking the silicone right here. Why a squeezing
the head a normal head of a biological beam does not You can't screw it,
yank the brain out. This alien seems to have a nose, and
I don't recall gray aliens having a nose or a mouth where it's a small
slit. Yeah. I think through Lord's they either have no nose or it's
just like a you were singing, like a slit. Some of them are
described not even having a mouth. It's just like a slit for the mouth
too, because they communicate telepathically. Yes, I again think that's the unconscious
projection that we have of our own fears. We project them onto these humanoid
beings and they're afraid of nuclear weapons and climate and all that. Well,
Ryan, you just got a first hand look at brand new, breaking news
of the brand new alien autopsy. What do you think, my friend?
Are you shocked? Yeah? I want to I want to do a presentation
on that at a conference or something. Show the the alien autopsy video.
People we packed in lining up for miles, come see that alien. And
then what we'll do. We'll make a little uh, a little tint mm
hmm, and we'll see uh alien corpse. Come see the alien corps.
And well we'll sell tickets for people to come see the alien corpse and even
do operations on the alien corpse themselves. Yeah, why not, you know,
why not? It'd be like one of those roadside attractions. Come see
the mysterious thing in ten miles, the big thing five miles, one mile.
We'll just get a little hot and we should, we should, we
should do that. We should. We could a contact this year, we
should get a table and we should we could just dissect an alien there on
the table for people. I'm serious. I think we would eat it up.
They would love it, and someone would video it and put it online
as being really as a box that always covers contact box or one of those.
They would definitely photograph that. Definitely, we'd be in the paper for
sure. But it's like, if you're really trying to do a really good
hoax, why aren't you doing the hoax properly? Like why or why doesn't
the surgeon have gloves on. Why is he just ripping stuff out of the
alien? Like? Why is he using force ups to do it? Like
you You would think if you were wanting to make it more believable, that
you would do it in the most believable way. Yeah, but they don't
for some reason. It's easy. It's here's a question for it. Do
you think it's getting easier to con and scam people? In ufology in particular?
I think that it really is. I think it's gotten because we're in
the age of the Internet now, and like we were talking about last time,
the whole thing with the blurring photos, blurring videos, and inserting superimposing
images on top of those videos, it's very easy to do. Like I
could make something that's very believable if I really wanted to, video wise totally,
Like I could legitimately go out back on a dark night, just as
the sun is getting ready to go down, film the sky, kind of
freak out a little bit and do the shaking of the camera. Right,
Yeah, you have to do that, yes, and then come inside,
put that video into an editing software program, blur out the video, put
a anomalous object, and they'll removed the background of that anomalous object, blur
that object and then put it kind of far away, make it very obscure,
because you can't just put it in the forefront of the video or the
image that you're taking, right, you make it obscure. You put it
far away enough in the video that people can't really make out what it is.
But the brains have been trained to whenever they see something like that,
that it's a UFO or an unidentified flying object and then post it and by
extension and by extension, it must be alien. Well, I have another
question for you, is a it's a fun question for you. I think
it kind of goes along the lines of faking things when people say, we
do have clear photos of UFOs. Okay, where a damn ski he took
really good clear Oh my god. I just thought we didn't address that on
the show, and I thought that we should respond to that because that's the
claims took really good up close photos of UFOs. So if you can answer
that, well, first off, Georgia Damski, Wow, Like you don't
even want to answer it, but you know I don't. Yeah, I
don't really want to answer it because it is completely ridiculous and he got charged
with. I don't really want to say. I think you can explain it
in a in a better concise way than I kick because I don't really know
how to maneuver around it. Am I allowed to curse? Yeah, it's
bullshit, move on, that's it. Well, I mean there's been other
people too that have a claim to have really clear footage of UFOs. Peter
Maxwell Slattery claims to have very concise, clear pictures of UFOs and even one
of a gray alien in his room that's like peeking up underneath a blanket,
you know, Like I mean, yeah, they try to travel thousands of
thousands of well, who knows, light years could have traveled, millions of
miles could have come from inside the Earth. Just get get into bed with
you and you know your blanket makes sense. Yeah, And but those people
see, it's only really the blurry ones and the ones that are out of
focus, the ones that are obscure that people take to be real. The
ones that are really clear, and the ones that are that you actually have
a clearer version of them, people say are fake. That's a good point.
Yeah, Like what's it's it's hypocrisy at the best. Well, the
the the euthhological narrative is. You know, first of all, the association
between UFO and alien two completely different things. There's only an association. They're
different things. And I think there's a similar association between UFO and blurry images.
So when you see a blurry one, it's like, well, that
must be a real alien UFO. So you're making two false correlations. But
when you see a really good clear picture, allow that it's too good to
be true, that can't be can't be accurate. I think that's what's happening.
I think so too, And a lot of the really clear ones,
definitely on YouTube are fake. That that's why the imagees have to be blurred,
that's why they have to be out of focus, is to cover up
the fakeness of the video. I mean, Jeremy Corbell in that New Tube
documentary literally did not present the clearest version of that footage, Like why would
he not of the jellyfish off of Why would he not put the clearest version
possible in that documentary? It doesn't make any sense, you know what,
A lot of it was actually filmed. They didn't Actually they filmed it from
a camera off of a screen, is what they did in the Tube documentary.
That's just like they did all the interviews from a camera while Jeremy Corbell
is zooming people or facetiming people, Like you tell me you didn't have enough
money to actually bring the person to the location that you're filming like you had
to in the videos like glitching out and shit, like why would you do
that? Jeremy Corbell's freaking zooming Dave Grush from Colorado, Jimmy Corbell's in California,
and their video recording the conversation with a video camera. It's like,
you know what I think that is? I think that is all for show,
obviously for show. And it reminds me I interviewed this guy one time
from the Discovery Channel. His name was Becky and he was he's like a
world explorer. He travels and climbs, and he was invited by the Discovery
Channel to do a documentary about the Dootlave Past incident. You know that incident?
Yes, yeah, So for anybody that doesn't know it, type in
do youot Love for Devil's Pass and you can read about that incident with the
hikers. So they go to investigate because the one of the theories was almost
have been the yetti that killed the hikers, right, So it's it's first
of all, kind of a ludicrous documentary idea. So they go to the
location. I interviewed him and I asked him. I had a co host
with me at the time, and we both asked him about, you know,
how real was this documentary? Do you actually find proof of the yetti?
Because that's what the documentary kind of suggest. They have a yetti call
on the audio of the yetti, you know, and they have recording of
it. They play it on the screen, they show you, like the
Audacity audio line and anyway, long story short, he tells us. He's
like no, He's like, no, no, no, no, He's
like, we he said, the Discovery Channel was really good to me,
and you know, they took care of us and we had a lot of
fun. He's like, but what we had with the finished product, it
wasn't it wasn't real. He said. The person that was there was a
person in a big coat standing on the tree line that we took a grainy,
blurry photograph of literally, and he said, we the whole scene where
they go into the YETI they found a yetti nest a cavern. He said
that whole thing. We went in there. They staged it and we had
to walk in multiple times for them to shoot it, and then we couldn't
get any actual good sound. So I forget exactly how he said they did
this, but they had like a guy go in the woods and like a
you know, make a noise, recorded it and put it on put it
on TV, and people ate it up. Oh it's real that yet he's
real. They found a nest and they have the sound, and they had
the picture. It was a guy screaming in the woods with a giant coat
on and a staged stage thing. I mean, they were on location,
so the location was real. It was totally fake. That's what all these
ghost shows, alien shows, bigfoot shows, they're almost all like that.
It's fake. It's really fake. And it's so sad that it gets to
that point. And I mean, first of all, it is entertainment.
Anything on TV is entertainment. So but one thing is really interesting about the
diolov Pass incident is that there was another incident in nineteen ninety three that was
called the Corvinia incident. I did a show on this before with Trey Hudson
and we talked about it. Where there was a survivor of this incident and
what had happened was they were hiking on It was a separate mountain. It
wasn't around the Diolo Pass incident, but it was also in Russia, and
there were six hikers that were hiking on going trying to get to the peak
of this mountain. They get around a couple of miles away. They figured
out that there was going to be harsh weather. It was raining the entire
time, so they camped in the open face of the mountain, just like
the d Pass incident people did. They camped in the open face of the
mountain. They didn't camp in the tree line, which is another really interesting
aspect and correlating between both of those. And they decided because of the weather
to turn around and go back down the mountain. And as they were going
down the mountain, a gentleman in the back of the group fell over,
started convulsing. He was foaming at the mouth, he was bleeding out of
his eyes, bleeding out of his ears. So then the leader of the
group ran to him and told the rest of them to get down to the
mountain, get down to shelter, make a fire, I'll take care of
this person. So pretty soon she also started experiencing the exact same symptoms that
the gentleman that fell to the ground had started convulsing and bleeding out of his
years and mouth and foaming at the mouth. And then pretty soon everyone started
experiencing the exact same thing besides one lady, and she ran away. She
was in the woods for three days. Some kayakers then found her took her
to the police station, where she gave her report and told everyone exactly what
happened, which I think is very similar to the Diatlov Pass incident. Now,
there's no theories, in really any speculations surrounding the Corvinia incident because there
was a survivor that could tell the story of exactly what happened. But nobody
knows what happened at dat Love Pass because there was no survivors and the Russian
government officially called it that they died from an avalanche or whatever. But the
two stories seem very connected, and I'm pretty sure that the similar thing that
happened to the hikers at the Corvinia incident also happened at the diat Love Pass.
Incident. But the theorist and the people that want to make it about
Bigfoot and Yadi, since they don't know what happened, because there wasn't any
survivors, it's gone off into fairytale land. Well, it's interesting that anybody
could think, to me, it's really interesting anbody could think that there's a
singular explanation that always seems to have this like cult following, because there's equally
enough enough people who think it was UFOs that killed those hikers, and then
people think it's and it's like they're all looking and finding the evidence that correlates
with this thing that they already believe that it's. It's always it's like Republicans
always blame blame democrats. Democrats always blame Republicans, you know, we always
blame aliens or blame the Yetti or Bigfoot. There's there's other explanations for things,
and sometimes those explanations that or other are equally or perhaps more so fascinating
than some arbitrary thing like UFOs or Yetti or Bigfoot. But again that's the
dichotomy, that's the that's the cult like mindset. Well, the theorist on
the Corvinia incident said. They also related it to Bigfoot though as well.
They said, the Bigfoot, let's off this uh infrasound that paralyzes people and
makes them foament the mouth and bleeding horizon and bleed from their ears. So
Yetti and Bigfoot has also killed the people at the Corvinia incident as well as
the people at the past incident. So there's your Bigfoot connection. There always
is one, isn't there? Yet He's got infra sound, it gets new
abilities. Uh, every year they just power up. They sometimes YETI turns
super Sian and then it gets amazing new abilities. Yeah, he's powering up.
That's uh, that's super Sian level two Yetti. It's over nine thousand.
His hair just turns bright white blonde straight up in the air, has
a golden aurora around him. Well, hey, the super Sands and dragon
ball Z the sands they would turn into giant ape like creatures. Right,
he's just saying, He's just super saying, just saying, amazing connection.
Right there? Did the creators of dragon Balls you know about the Yetti,
They know about the YETI. I gotta say that's probably one of the things
that interests me the least is the is the the Yetti bigfoot narrative. I
mean, I like cryptozoology, but I just find that to be it's not
because of this, it's just not that's not because of the nature of the
subject. It's because of all the TV shows and all that. Like I
was flipping through free I was on two B actually watched the UFO documentary and
I was slipping through the had a live TV section. I slipping through it,
and there were like two or three different channels playing you playing bigfoot documentaries
or shows. I don't know how they have big foot shows? Like how
much? How much more content can you generate over the same thing. It's
always there's a footprint, did a cast of the footprint? It's not it's
not a human footprint. Okay, Episode two, same exact thing, and
then they heard a call in the woods and somebody threw a rock at somebody.
It's like, it's the same thing over and it's like the ghost shows.
It just kind of disparages real investigative work into those things. I don't
know, and say what you want about someone like Hans Holzer or someone like
Eda Lorraine Warren, but at least to some in some capacity, at least
like especially Holzer, like he wrote volumes and volumes of books with you know,
the experiences and the data and the cases, and most of this modern
stuff is like you go read like a ghostbook today, it's like it's like
thirty pages long, it's all in a weird font and it's just someone's anecdotal
account. Is like, there's no scholarly work going into any of these things
anymore, and I think that's really sad. Well, you can see all
the paranormal, fake hoaxed videos. YouTube used to be full of those.
Back when YouTube first started, it was just nothing but fake hoaxed paranormal ghost
videos. I mean, that's how Ghost of Ventures got their start, was
faking in hoaxing a documentary on it, they said that they had they captured
a full blown apparition. They then when they were also in this abandoned place
in California, at the end of the documentary, you see this board fall
over and then a brick fly from one side of the room to the other
side of the room. Made them huge and popular. I mean, that's
what kicked off their entire show. And now they don't did they act like
that documentary didn't happen at all. They don't reference it, they don't talk
about it, they don't ever mention it. But that's what kicked off their
entire Ghost of a Ventures paranormal show that's still running to this very day.
It was from hoaxed in fake footage. You know what, it's a real
quick story. I don't know if you feel this way, but curious if
you do. I've noticed that when I go to a bookstore, whether it's
a specialty bookstore that kind of specializes in this kind of thing, or if
I go to just a general bookstore, used or new or whatever, and
I always try to be social and talk to the people that are in the
occult alien, UFO, bigfoot, whatever section that is new age, whatever
they call it. It doesn't matter, old young man, woman. I
just try to find out what people are interested in, or maybe for me
more importantly, why are they interested. I want other people's perspectives. And
I've noticed that to the average person who isn't interested in that, like I
and probably you two writer, we're weird for being interested in these and such
things. But then I talk to people that pick up those kinds of books,
and I ask them questions like well, what are you reading or you
know, what are you interested in? I'm just curious men again, men
women doesn't matter, And I realize really quickly when they answer the question.
Most of the time, I don't think I have anything in common with them
either, because the stuff that they're interested in is like I want to learn
witchcraft so I can hex Republicans or I'm you know, and as the books.
There's literally books written on that. I had a copy of one of
them. I got rid of it because it felt evil. I you know
there, or I talked to some of the day who was who was who
was a witch? And their goal was to they were like a real I
said, like a kitchen witch, or like an herbal witch, or look
like, oh, I'm a real witch. I was like, what does
it like? What does that mean? And I asked her, like what
does that mean? She said, well, I practice magic, like ceremonial
magic. And then she's got she's she's like looking at these very like left
hand path dark books, and I think, like that is how I'm perceived.
I'm perceived as being in that category by people that don't know anything about
it because of because I like to have symbols around me, like I have
an aunt here or I have a pentagram or whatever. So I feel like
it's hard sometimes to even talk to people that are interested in UFOs or people
that are interested in, say symbols or witchcraft or whatever, because it's its
own paradigm. Again, and when people talk about UFO, I've been when
I went to Roswell or go to UFO conference or whatever it is, I
don't really get along with those people because I don't understand what the hell they're
talking about. It doesn't make me special and not special, and they're not
not special. It's just you can see the chasm between the people that think
it's insane and the people that believe everything. And my whole point this last
couple of weeks has been we have to step outside that paradigm that encompasses both
of those viewpoints that you have a thought on that or your own experience or
yeah. I really just don't talk with people outside of the community about it.
I just kind of keep to myself and I have, like, you
know, some conversations with people, but I keep it really surface level.
Like I was talking to a random person the other day on the street.
I was like, Hey, what do you think about these UFOs and are
talking about they just had a you know, congressional hearing on it. There's
a whistleblower seeing that we got non biologic bodies and the government has recovered craft.
And then this person was like, yeah, I don't believe it,
you know, and I don't think that the It's like we were talking about
in the beginning of this episode, I don't think that even normal, every
day people like fall for a majority of the things that we think that they're
falling for. It's mostly just in this community. That's a great point.
Yeah, actually, that's a really great point because I the last couple of
weeks when I've had this guy, I've kind of noticed something similar that had
a couple discussions with people in public, like at bookstores or something about UFOs,
and I'll ask them what do you think? And a lot of a
lot of the people I've spoken to are more I wouldn't say objective. They're
just either uninterested. It's like, oh, it doesn't really matter to me
one way or the other, don't really I don't really know, don't really
care, or they're like, well, I think that there's something to it,
but I don't really know who to believe, So you're I think you're
right. I think the people that believe the nonsense are more so within the
community. But that goes back again to what I said, it's it's it's
a it's literally a cult. It's literally a cult. Which is so funny.
When I talked to Jordan say there that one year that and he accused
me of a harassing and attacking him, and I call when I was there,
I said, you're you're a cult leader, Jordan, this is all
these people around you are a cult. And then the whole group of people
get out, get out, get just chanting in unison. I'm like,
this is a cult. This is precisely the point you won't engage in dialogue.
So anyway, that's that's my story. Yeah, And the perfect example
of that is in twenty twenty when the Pentagon really while the New York Times
released that article, seeing that the Pentagon the UFOs are now a thing and
that they're real, no one cared. The only people that cared were the
people that were already interested in it. You know, they didn't get anybody
else that previously wasn't interested in it interested in it. They didn't care.
It's all within the group, within the community it is, and that is
the perfect place to in this Ryan, thanks so much for coming on.
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