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Imagine where you can meet anyone anywhere
anything. Are the artificial intelligence created to

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protect us? Detonated a nuclear warhead
in Los Angeles. We are seeing ongoing

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cyber attacks across the country. We
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off the California coast, with reports
of power outages across the United States.

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Nineteen states have succeeded. In the
United States, Army ramsom activity. The

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me on this adventure is author and host

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of The Secret Teaching Show on Ground
zero Radio, Brian Gable. How's it

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going, my friend, It's another
day of the sun. I'm glad to

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be here with you. How are
you, writer, I'm doing great,

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and I'm really excited to do another
nice, laid back conversation episode with you

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again, my friend. I really
enjoyed doing these. These are a lot

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of fun. Yeah they are.
We can talk about things in a rational,

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objective way, or at least as
objective as we can humanly be,

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not fall victim to the dichotomous hilarities. Well, it was something while I

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was playing that intro I forgot to
mention in our previous episode on the Secret

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Teachings last week that there was a
section of the TMZ documentary UFO Revolution that

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they use stock footage that is also
a part of my intro. Oh that's

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right, you told me that.
Yeah, they got the same b ro,

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Yeah, same b role. So
this high budget documentary on two B

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is also using shutter stock for their
stock footage. They don't have enough money

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to go out there and actually film
things. It's unbelievable. So what I

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wanted to talk to you about today
is we have some breaking news. There's

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a new alien autopsy video that was
just released of an alien at Area fifty

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one. A researcher went through the
Area fifty one archive and this is really

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huge. Guys, come on now
because it's also related to the MJ twelve

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documents. But really quickly, before
I show the video, let's get your

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thoughts Ryan on the MJ twelve documents
in general. Are they fake? Are

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they real? What's going on with
the MG twelve documents? My personal opinion,

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for whatever it's worth, without telling
the whole story again and talking about

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the microfilm and the letter in the
mailbox and all that, the anonymy of

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anonymity of it, I think that
the Majesty twelve documents are probably sophisticated fakes

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based on what I've read, what
I've seen, I think the bigger conspiracy

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or the bigger issue isn't so much
what the documents seem to imply. If

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we believe that they were real.
I think it's that what they imply,

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considering the evidence that they're fake,
that somebody, and probably not just a

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average person like you or I,
somebody with a knowledge of military government top

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secret documents, how those things work, and how they're put together, the

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seals and the organization of it,
and all that the format would go to

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such trouble to make fake documents and
to spread those documents. That clearly shows

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that there is some sort of disinformation
misinformation campaign that has been in the works

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and in play for a very long
time. And so again I circle back

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around and say, I think that
it's not necessarily what the documents might imply

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in terms of extraterrestrials and UFOs and
cleaning up bodies and crashes. I think

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it's what they imply considering that they're
probably fake based on the evidence that we've

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seen. And as a result of
that, why would somebody go to such

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lengths to create such sophisticated documents to
I guess, mis and disinform the public.

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Does that make sense? That's that's
my current take. Yeah, it

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does make a lot of sense.
And the community is basically divided on if

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they are real, they're fake.
I think more people think that they're hoaxes

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than I believe that they're real.
That's the paradigm again, like we've talked

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about on my Friday show on the
Secret Teachings, Right, you can believe

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or disbelieve within the paradigm, and
outside of that paradim is a whole new

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area of research that doesn't really get
looked at because we're too busy fighting over

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belief systems. They're real, they're
not real, And everybody that says that

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they're real, everybody says that they're
not real. A huge percentage of the

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people on both sides. I've never
really looked at them or researched them.

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They just seen a documentary where they
read about it in an alien book.

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Not saying people are stupid, I'm
just saying like the average person hasn't researched

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them. So, you know,
you just get what you're told and you

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just repeat that. Just like in
politics or religion or certain social issues,

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your belief is created by the echo
chamber that you live in. You got

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to step out of that chamber and
you got to step out of the paradigm.

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Yeah, and then also when you
look at the MG twelve documents,

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because a lot of the MG twelve
stuff is really revolved around the Secretary of

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the Navy, James Forrestal some some
ware shape or form, being involved in

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being a part of this super secretive
crash retrieval reverse engineering of alien technology named

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MJ twelve or Majestic twelve. And
then his mysterious death of falling out of

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the I think it was the twelfth
story window of Beth. Does the Naval

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hospital just kind of a suspicious death
by I think that we tend to just

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insert things when something doesn't make sense. It's and we've talked about it several

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times that when we don't know the
full truth behind something, we just create

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our own truth and we'll just insert
things in there, and we'll be like,

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oh, well, he must have
been killed, he must have been

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assassinated. Someone must have pushed him
out of the twelve story window. But

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does the Naval hospital it made him
seem like he was crazy and he had

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mental problems and then they assassinated him. Because the whole fairy tale and the

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whole mythology surrounding it is that James
Forrest All wanted to release the technology that

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they had been working on the reverse
engineering and the downcraft that they had found

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he had flipped to the opposite side, and then they made him out to

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be crazy. They you know,
maybe did some form of mk ultra implantation

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on him and then it made him
kind of go out of his mind,

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and then he got admitted to be
as the Naval hospital and then soon after

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fell out of the twelve story window
of the hospital and died. So there's

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a lot of conspiracy and conjecture and
hyperbole that's mixed in with the UFO lore

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and this entire story. It's sort
of like the Admiral Bird story as well.

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Yes, and you have a couple
of other great cases of people that

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just mysteriously die, like that General
Patent mysteriously died after what his breaks went

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on his car first and he goes
into the hospital. He wanted to fight

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the Soviets and establishment didn't want that
so temple to assassinate him. And the

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same thing with Gary Webb who broke
that drug story and he killed himself by

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shooting himself in the back of the
head. There's a lot of history of

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that with whistleblowers and people that are
within government. I will actually say that.

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Richard Dolan is very his statement about
that in that UFO documentary we talked

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about last week, it's very accurate. A lot of whistleblowers and people within

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the government do mysteriously turn up dead
or people that turn up missing. It's

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a very common thing for that to
happen. But would they go as far

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as to do that to UFO disclosure
people? I mean, people don't even

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really majority of the population doesn't really
believe in it anyway, So what would

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be the reason for them to take
somebody out that is talking about and extraterrestrials.

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It really doesn't make any sense to
me. Now, other things that

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happened, yeah, I can see
that, But things that people don't even

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believe in to begin with and then
taking them out, well, it doesn't

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really make sense. I have I
have a thought on that. So remember

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I mentioned last week that I read, you know, the Alienagenda book by

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Jim Mars a long time ago,
and there was this There was a section

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in the book about how Bob Lazar, this is Jim Mars writing with some

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quotes from Bob Blazar. Bob Lazar
thought even thought he might have been showing

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fake stuff the government showed him fake
stuff to spread some story. I reread

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that section in the Jim Mars book, and I think that there was a

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quote from Bob Lazar. If I
remember this correctly, I have to go

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get the book. And Bob Lazar
said something to the effect of that when

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they came after me, just hear
me out here, when they came after

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me, or you know, he
got run off the road and was followed

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by black cars, or something to
that effect. He said, that makes

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me know, lets me know,
that makes me think that what I'm saying

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is definitely true. But I have
a different point of view on that.

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I'm thinking just because let's say the
government, and that's a big entity,

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but let's say certain segments or certain
individuals, probably more than fragments or groups,

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did do something like that to somebody. And most people think, like,

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well, if someone comes after you, if someone targets you, that

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must mean what you're saying is true. Like, well, it could work

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the opposite way. They could do
that to you so that you would the

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public might think if that person dies, well, that must mean what they

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what they said was true, when
it just as well could have been a

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myth. It could have been made
up and then people start to believe the

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made up stuff. So that's my
other, you know, the other side

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of the coin or the equation.
I think. I'm not saying that's the

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case, but just an idea.
No, I agree with that. I

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agree with that a lot. Because
there was this post on X the other

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day that was directed toward David Ike
and they were going after David Ike and

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saying that David Ike isn't spreading any
kind of truth, and they listed all

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the people that have died mysteriously that
were supposedly spreading real information and spreading truth,

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and at the end of it they
were like, why hasn't David Ike

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been killed? I'm like, that
is a really screwed up philosophy to take

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on that, you know, like, do you want these people to be

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a martyr? And does that mean
that just because they're dead, that means

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that they were speaking the truth?
No, it doesn't, That's right,

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It doesn't at all. And that's
a fallacy, is what that is.

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That's actually I think what I don't
care if it's It could be the politics

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of something like abortion, or it
could be the politics of something like a

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border policy. It could be religious
ideas could be anything. Most of us

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believe and think and act within the
realm of fallacy, but most of us

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argue within fallacy. I mean the
most common one is because you don't like

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what someone's saying, you attack their
their appearance, or you attack something else

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about them or their family or their
some some other belief that's unrelated. And

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I mean that's I don't know how
I feel about it, but I think

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that's That's exactly what the media did
to David Grush as well. I mean,

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maybe he is mentally unstable, but
without really addressing even the idea of

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what he said, a lot of
the media really did paint him as this,

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well, he had PTSD, or
he had he was admitted to the

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psychiatric was that a psychiatric hospital or
something he has he has issues mentally.

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I mean, that's the that's the
basis of a lot of the ways that

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we argue and debate things. Is
the ad hominem attack. And then there's

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a whole list of other fallacies that
that we utilize and we don't even know

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it. But you're totally right,
go ahead, But that just proves my

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point though, Ryan, Like we
just had a I suppose what's or and

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David Grush give a congressional hearing about
the stories and the things that he's heard

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secondhand knowledge, and people didn't believe
it, Like, why would you take

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somebody out if there if people aren't
going to believe what they're saying anyway,

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And the only thing that I can
think of is, like what you're talking

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about, well, they would take
them out in order to instill the myth

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into people's minds. That's the only
other reason that I can think of.

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Like, even if someone has information
that proves the existence of extraterrestrials or UFOs

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or aliens from other planets or whatever, a majority of the population isn't going

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to believe it anyway. By default. They just aren't. If you had

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whatever would be considered one accurate proof, a percent of the population, You're

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right, would not believe it regardless, by just by default. And likewise,

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you have plenty of examples of this
things that are one provably false and

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by default a percentage of the population
believes it regardless. That's that echo chamber,

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And that's the dichotomous thinking. Again. Yeah, the door swings both

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ways on it. It totally does. Yes, it was one in extremes

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of the other I've found it as
you have, and I would imagine some

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of your listeners perhaps have, and
some of my listeners on the Secret Teachings

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actually know a lot of my listeners
on the Secret Teachings have recognized that these

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kinds of discussions don't sell. Like
I'm not even talking about monetary selling.

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I'm talking about like a monetary selling
is also energy, but some talking about

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energetic selling. Like most people in
the UFO community are not interested. Let's

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just be straightforward. We know I
know from personal experience, people are not

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interested in hearing something that makes them
think on average, on average, That's

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why I'm not going to use names. But that's why at let's say,

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I mean a ton of conferences,
that's why. And that's a microcosm.

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It's not like a survey almost what
are people most interested in the group of

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people that go to see someone who
says that they've been to space and they've

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talked to aliens, that group is
huge compared to someone who does a presentation

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on something that's very scientific and that
can be very provable. I think the

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only exception to that is and I
will use his name because I like the

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guy Graham Hancock, I mean,
Graham Hancock is I mean, one of

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the smartest people I think I've ever
met, one of the most humble people

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I think I've ever met. And
his room is always packed. And I

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sometimes wonder is that because he's been
on TV a lot, and he's been

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around since Art Bell and since the
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give presentations on things, and again
this is a microcosm atic conference. Most

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people kind of migrate to the sensationalism
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any metric or stretch of the imagination. And that's knowing that, I mean

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since the fifties, as you and
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knowing how the public reacts like that, and understanding Bernesian propaganda, if

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you will. It's very easy to
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a simple news story, with a
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people are very malleable, particularly when
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don't think for themselves, they think
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government agencies understand that the CIA makes. You know, CIA folks make a

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living off of that. I mean, remember the A good example of this

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is the what was that video called? It was like the US Army fourth

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Psychological Division. Did you see that
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you have to look this up.
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can look it up now, it
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haven't seen it. It's literally a
it's like a two minute video about who

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controls the world, who coup pulls
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join the military Psychological Operations Unit.
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year. If you type in ghost, go some machine, cie war,

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yep, sie war, And it's
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also a recruitment video. Reportedly,
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psychological stressors and the level of psychological
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someone is disparaged by the media,
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that what they're saying is not true, but somebody somewhere wants you to believe

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that it is true. And so
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taken out, but more often than
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asked him if he'd like to do
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but sadly, like right now,
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feeling that great. And I said, oh, okay, I hope that

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you take it easy and you feel
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him. And he passed away not
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I knew him really well, and
I started getting phone calls, emails,

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text messages people that I thought were
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Jim Mars killed. Did they did? Did? Did the cabal kill him?

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I said no, Well how do
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you ask me? First of all, if you don't believe what I'm telling

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you. Second of all, I
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the hospital and he died because he
had I don't want to get into the

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details, but he died of something
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okay, very natural or unnatural,
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of people succumbed to it. And
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that can't be true. It's like, well, then why did you

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even ask me what my opinion was? Because I knew him, Because I

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didn't say that the cabal killed him. Now you don't believe me either.

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out before them. It doesn't matter
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Graham Hancock and people like that,
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popularity it is, my personal opinion
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if they like you as an individual, they like your thoughts and your commentary

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on things, then it doesn't really
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could be talking about the things that
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it wouldn't matter because people like him
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a lot of publicity through the Joe
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on the planet too, and long
form discussions with these people. See people

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on the internet get to know somebody
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the kind of conversations that they have
and the type of banter and the kind

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of back and forth. It's really
about the personality of the individual and do

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they like that individual. It doesn't
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they're saying. It's do I like
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more of what this person is saying? Do I like them enough to want

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to hear more about what they're talking
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Graham Hancock, I believe, can
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I went to the one contact in
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dude like God to like almost fight
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a big auditorium and there's people standing
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two hours. You know, that
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comes first, information second, and
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doesn't. And I'm not saying that's
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because it's just about as much marketability
about the people that I like as I

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as I necessarily as I don't necessarily
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for you too. There are plenty
of people that you like and they're marketable,

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and that's good. I'm glad that
they're being able to talk and say

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the things that they are. And
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about Graham Hancock. I love Graham
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a likable individual and he has put
the he has amazing knowledge. There's been

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all these sites. You can tell
you verbat him right off the top of

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his head about every single ancient site
probably in the world. You know what's

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interesting a matter of fact, speaking
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his Supernatural book? Sorry, there's
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I thought there was something weird scratching
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demon up here. But it's just
snow here. Hardcorener's That's why I was

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thinking around. I thought the UFO
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what is that? I want to
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of something if I can't speak of
speaking of Graham Hancock. And maybe,

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by the way, maybe the aliens
they maybe they drop the snow on your

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window or something, the most logical
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of his new books? No?
I haven't, well, not new but

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new er books. I did go
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speaking eight hours a day, listen
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yeah, yeah, it's it's it's
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I don't think I've really found much
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I love his stuff, but just
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book Supernatural, and I have a
copy of Jack Fallet's what do you call

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it? The Passport to Magonia Magnete
Magonia, which is one of the first

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books written in context with what Graham
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whole the fairy lore and how that
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at Roswell, I went to the
seventy fifth anniversary at Roswell and there was

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a big panel of speakers and I'm
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I don't remember everybody. There were
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famous let's say, experience Answer whose
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almost a keen to Roswell, but
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journalists quote unquote, and a bunch of

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other people on stage and people were
asking questions, why do you think the

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aliens are here? And they all
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they could be here for our DNA, and they could be here to,

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you know, for our blood,
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cows and just the same standard thing
right, and the next person, so

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what about the reptilians? Why are
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oh my god, is these gonna
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times we're gonna ask these questions these
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they gonna answer these this for the
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right, I'm just gonna ask.
I only was sitting in there for like

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an hour of the whole thing,
and I thought it was like, I

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think it was like two hours.
I was only there for an hour,

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and I was gonna leave and go
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had my hand raised, and I
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never heard of this before, but
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you. I said, what do
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and UFO abductions? A fair question
that you would honest, you would think

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that these smart, intelligent people that
have done this about as about twice as

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long as I have, would have
at least heard of the correlation before or

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Graham Hancock's book at the time had
been out for what for something five years?

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the content, you'd think someone would
have heard of that. I got no

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response from anybody. Nobody knew what
to do with that question, and it

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just it's and I just sat there
and I thought, like that that's to

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me, that's kind of like a
profound thing. And you know what,

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one person the audience actually responded to
my question and said, yeah, but

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what about the Reptilians? That was
the response I got to, what's the

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correlation here, what's the how do
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What about the Reptilians? Though?
Reptilians, That's what that's what we're interested

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in. It's just like you can't
get across to these people. It's it

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is a cult. They have their
Reptilian demons, their Pladian angels, they

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have their holy books. I'm not
even saying they're bad books. But Sitchens

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books are holy. Bondan Vondanik and
I've met him, he's a really great

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guy. Bondanican's books books are holy. You have the holy sites of Roswell,

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Kecksburg and all these other euthhological sites. You have a UFO heaven in

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hell where you either as sind or
you suffer. It's in the rapture.

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It's all the same theological like dogma
within the UFO community. And there are

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tons of people that at Graham Hancock
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of them. And I was told
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Mars that the people at some of
these conferences hated him. Why because he

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was a real person, he did
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and they didn't like that. And
we're talking big name people. I

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even saw Stephen Greer, not even
like salt from distance. I was there.

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I was watching Jim's table. Stephen
Greer came and just shoved all his

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serious BS documentary stuff onto the table
and he physically pushed all of Jim Mars's

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stuff to the end and off the
table. Like I was like, you

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can't, what are you doing.
I stopp him from pushing the books off,

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and he just shoves all this stuff
up there. That's who these people

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are. There's scum. I can't
stand them, dude, there's scum.

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They're con artists and this is a
cult and if you want it. There's

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something at the core of this that's
real. But the cult and the cons

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the stuff's got to stop. And
that's I mean, that's my personal opinion.

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I'm getting a little worked up about
it because I've been seeing it for

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so long. It's it's disgusting.
Honestly, I agree with you. But

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we have an amazing in the cover. We have an amazing thing to cover

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right now, which is an incredible
breaking news story. And this new alien

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autopsy. Did you dissect this one? I haven't. I haven't seen this.

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I don't know what you have.
It's brand new to your eyes and

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it was brand new to my eyes
sense of yesterday. So this new video

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that we're gonna watch was originally reported
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blue File twenty two on YouTube,
and the video appears to show a non

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human biologic experimented on at Area fifty
one. So here is so breaking news

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everybody, the brand new alien autopsy
video from Area fifty one. Here it

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is baby, Okay. So what
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listening to the audio version of the
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a surgeon the alien has been cut
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and he has what are those called
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that's from the game operation clamp clamps. And then he's removing some organs out

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of the stomach of this alien.
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alien cut open, and he's got
the scepters in there, and he's struggling

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to get the brain of this alien
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other way and he's still struggling to
get the brain of the alien out and

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he's getting it pop. And I
didn't know aliens are made of silicone.

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this is real. This is really look

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like a silicone but I guess it's
real. Yep. So this is very

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sort of reminiscent of the original alien
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alien autopsy video or this new autopsy
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any surgical procedure, regardless if you're
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a supposed extraterrestrial, you're going to
have gloves on, Like, is

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that not that that's like surgical procedure
one O one, you would think so,

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especially if it's an unknown organism.
You don't want to contaminate it with

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00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:57.880
with your your your own body,
the sweat, the oil, the sells

406
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:04.119
things like that, skin cells,
you would think. And there's no surgical

407
00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:09.640
procedure lines on it. There wasn't
any surgical procedure lines on the original alien

408
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:16.079
autopsy video. There's no surgical procedure
lines on this supposed alien autopsy video.

409
00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:23.799
I mean, the video is obviously
super fake, and but I think that

410
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:31.920
this was like a troll trolling effort
from a lady named Emily Luise that has

411
00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:36.519
a YouTube channel called Weird Reads with
Emily Luise. And I think that she

412
00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:43.720
posted this on x and I think
that it was a major trolling effort just

413
00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:51.519
to see how far the video could
actually go and people actually take it because

414
00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:55.279
she's in the thread she was like. I also have it confirmed by a

415
00:32:55.319 --> 00:33:00.039
Classify sources that Whitley Strueber has viewed
the above footage and confirm that the entity

416
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:07.839
was indeed pregnant at the time of
the film, and then she tags Uri

417
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:14.079
Geller and as well. So it's
a it's a trolling effort. But I

418
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:20.119
thought that it was important to show, just like I did the other day

419
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:24.319
on the Secret Teachings, I brought
up the image that I made of a

420
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:32.279
suppose translucent UFO in the sky that
I made in like two minutes, you

421
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:37.440
know, and it shows how easy
it is to do. Like and this

422
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:40.480
looks like a straight up a game
of you know, out of Operation I

423
00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:46.200
mean, the the alien is made
of silicone. He's he's pinching the body

424
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:51.640
of it is is popping up.
He's just digging around in there, pulling

425
00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:57.039
plastic. And I was convinced it
was real. See does that heart look

426
00:33:57.119 --> 00:34:00.759
like a plastic heart. That's definitely
a plastic heart. It looks like a

427
00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:05.359
very complex It looks like a three
D version of Operation the board game.

428
00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:08.760
That's what it looks like. It's
the Alien Area fifty one, Edition fifty

429
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:13.440
one. Storm into Area fifty one. You get this Operation Alien doll and

430
00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:16.440
then you take its Look at that
liver or was that a liver. There's

431
00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:22.920
lungs. It might be now,
yeah, I think I might have misrepresented

432
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:24.519
it as a heart. It might
be the liver. I don't know,

433
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:28.840
it could be. But whatever it
is, it's plastic. It's plastic.

434
00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:32.119
Well maybe they're silicone, they're ai
I never so I bet you that there

435
00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:36.480
are people that believe this, because
you find this kind of contradiction all throughout

436
00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:38.239
eufology. I wouldn't be surprised that
there are people that believe that this was

437
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:43.199
real. Well at the same time
believing that gray aliens, because I'm assuming

438
00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:45.320
that's kind of what this thing is
here, it's a little gray alien.

439
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:51.119
Well, assuming gray aliens are also
these biological kind of computer program you know,

440
00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:54.559
machines. So they're biological computer programs, but they still need brains and

441
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:59.480
hearts and lungs and livers and kidneys, but they're machines. At the same

442
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:04.800
time, the contradictions and eufology are
just unbelievable. And I think all those

443
00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:08.480
contradictions and all those questions are meant
to make us so confused that we don't

444
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:13.280
know what ways up or down or
left or right. Yeah, not only

445
00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:17.559
that that's not the way that these
surgical procedures are done. That's not how

446
00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:24.599
you remove organs from anything. But
you just don't. You just don't.

447
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:30.519
Yeah, you just don't go in
forceps and start removing random organs. Dude,

448
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:34.079
not the way it works, especially
not how you remove the brain.

449
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:37.880
If you're gonna do an experiment surgical
procedure on the brain, you saw the

450
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:42.519
entire top of the head off and
then you pull the skin of the head

451
00:35:42.519 --> 00:35:45.400
off, so the brain's completely exposed. You just don't put a slit in

452
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:49.480
the top of the forehead and then
reach in with a pair of forceps and

453
00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:53.360
pull the brain out. Oh,
come on, that's not how you do

454
00:35:53.440 --> 00:36:00.199
it. I thought that's how you
did it, Jesus. But yeah,

455
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:06.920
apparently this is I mean at the
bottom says the area fifty one mg twelve,

456
00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:12.760
nineteen forty seven. This is a
small alien. To dude, this

457
00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:15.320
is what what does that look like? Maybe two foot tall? That's that's

458
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:21.840
the Mexican alien before it got dried
out. Ah, that makes sense,

459
00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:24.960
before they reburied it. Yeah,
they yep, they reburied it and then

460
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:31.079
the silicone kind of decomposed a little
bit there and filled with dirt and they

461
00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:39.199
covered it with and they just yank
it out. The funniest one is the

462
00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:44.599
brain He's like, he's like struggling. You can't find the brain that's just

463
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:49.440
bouncing around in this alien's head.
There's nothing else attaching the brain to the

464
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:52.159
skull. It's just just floating around
in there. He's like, Oh,

465
00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:55.199
can I get it? No,
I gotta turn it the other wall.

466
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:58.920
Lost it, just lost the brain. You know, we could do with

467
00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:00.000
this. I almost don't want to
say, because I feel like someone's going

468
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:04.280
to steal it from us. But
I feel like we could do a We

469
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:07.039
could do like you know those kids
commercials on TV. But they you know,

470
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:12.239
all the different plastic toys or the
new games, like hey kids,

471
00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:15.719
you want to dissect an alien?
And then the kids are all excited and

472
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:17.400
it's in color, and then the
kids are playing with the alien and they

473
00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:20.800
show you how to think in the
commercial, all these kids commercials that we

474
00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:24.639
could make a kid's commercial out of
that. It's an Operation Alien edition.

475
00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:31.880
Operation Alien sounds like a name of
a classified project. Operation Alien. Yeah,

476
00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:39.360
Operation Alien. But I mean obviously
the video was you know, posted

477
00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:46.480
as a joke, and you know, but it just proves how easy it

478
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:51.119
is. Like and another thing too, do you think that this this is

479
00:37:51.159 --> 00:37:57.000
pretty clear footage. This is pretty
freaking clear footage for something in nineteen forty

480
00:37:57.039 --> 00:38:06.320
seven. I mean, we'd led
to believe that video quality is that good

481
00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:08.920
in nineteen forty seven. It's well, this is the camera that they got

482
00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:13.679
off of the flying saucer that crashed. This is alien technology. Writer.

483
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:19.920
Maybe it looks like a shot with
maybe like a handicam or a GoPro handicam.

484
00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:28.519
Yeah, definitely a sony handicam.
And then I love this part yanks

485
00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:31.400
out. Hey, if people want
to see this, if they're just listening,

486
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:37.559
where can they go to find this
fake video? You can be a

487
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:47.039
Rockfinn premium subscriber or a YouTube membership
Bright Arranger membership subscriber for four ninety nine

488
00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:55.039
a month for two bonus premium episodes
a week. Yes, it's the amazing

489
00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:02.199
Area fifty one, brand new alien
r autopsy from the archives at Area fifty

490
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:08.159
one. And this gentleman using force
ups with no gloves on, doing a

491
00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:13.519
surgical procedure, just ripping these organs
out of this two foot tall alien.

492
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:20.519
This is riveting footage. I have
to watch it again. This is my

493
00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:25.880
favorite part. I love thisep Nope, didn't get it, missed it it's

494
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:32.280
going going deeper. Now really grab
it right, it's fishing around there,

495
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:43.320
you go. There's no there's no
body fluid, there's no anything. I

496
00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:49.800
mean, you can see the freaking
the silicone right here. Why a squeezing

497
00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:54.239
the head a normal head of a
biological beam does not You can't screw it,

498
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:02.880
yank the brain out. This alien
seems to have a nose, and

499
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:07.840
I don't recall gray aliens having a
nose or a mouth where it's a small

500
00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:15.760
slit. Yeah. I think through
Lord's they either have no nose or it's

501
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:20.440
just like a you were singing,
like a slit. Some of them are

502
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:24.400
described not even having a mouth.
It's just like a slit for the mouth

503
00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:31.079
too, because they communicate telepathically.
Yes, I again think that's the unconscious

504
00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:37.639
projection that we have of our own
fears. We project them onto these humanoid

505
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:42.519
beings and they're afraid of nuclear weapons
and climate and all that. Well,

506
00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:46.920
Ryan, you just got a first
hand look at brand new, breaking news

507
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:53.159
of the brand new alien autopsy.
What do you think, my friend?

508
00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:57.320
Are you shocked? Yeah? I
want to I want to do a presentation

509
00:40:57.440 --> 00:41:00.960
on that at a conference or something. Show the the alien autopsy video.

510
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:07.000
People we packed in lining up for
miles, come see that alien. And

511
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:12.960
then what we'll do. We'll make
a little uh, a little tint mm

512
00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:19.239
hmm, and we'll see uh alien
corpse. Come see the alien corps.

513
00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:23.320
And well we'll sell tickets for people
to come see the alien corpse and even

514
00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:30.920
do operations on the alien corpse themselves. Yeah, why not, you know,

515
00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:35.719
why not? It'd be like one
of those roadside attractions. Come see

516
00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:42.800
the mysterious thing in ten miles,
the big thing five miles, one mile.

517
00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:47.719
We'll just get a little hot and
we should, we should, we

518
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:51.159
should do that. We should.
We could a contact this year, we

519
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:53.519
should get a table and we should
we could just dissect an alien there on

520
00:41:53.559 --> 00:42:00.719
the table for people. I'm serious. I think we would eat it up.

521
00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:05.559
They would love it, and someone
would video it and put it online

522
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:09.880
as being really as a box that
always covers contact box or one of those.

523
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:15.400
They would definitely photograph that. Definitely, we'd be in the paper for

524
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:20.599
sure. But it's like, if
you're really trying to do a really good

525
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:29.960
hoax, why aren't you doing the
hoax properly? Like why or why doesn't

526
00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:36.079
the surgeon have gloves on. Why
is he just ripping stuff out of the

527
00:42:36.199 --> 00:42:39.000
alien? Like? Why is he
using force ups to do it? Like

528
00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:45.360
you You would think if you were
wanting to make it more believable, that

529
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:51.719
you would do it in the most
believable way. Yeah, but they don't

530
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:55.599
for some reason. It's easy.
It's here's a question for it. Do

531
00:42:55.639 --> 00:43:02.119
you think it's getting easier to con
and scam people? In ufology in particular?

532
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:07.360
I think that it really is.
I think it's gotten because we're in

533
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:12.599
the age of the Internet now,
and like we were talking about last time,

534
00:43:12.679 --> 00:43:20.159
the whole thing with the blurring photos, blurring videos, and inserting superimposing

535
00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:27.400
images on top of those videos,
it's very easy to do. Like I

536
00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:35.079
could make something that's very believable if
I really wanted to, video wise totally,

537
00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:40.679
Like I could legitimately go out back
on a dark night, just as

538
00:43:40.840 --> 00:43:45.039
the sun is getting ready to go
down, film the sky, kind of

539
00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:50.039
freak out a little bit and do
the shaking of the camera. Right,

540
00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:52.880
Yeah, you have to do that, yes, and then come inside,

541
00:43:53.519 --> 00:44:00.280
put that video into an editing software
program, blur out the video, put

542
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:04.840
a anomalous object, and they'll removed
the background of that anomalous object, blur

543
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:09.400
that object and then put it kind
of far away, make it very obscure,

544
00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:15.360
because you can't just put it in
the forefront of the video or the

545
00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:20.079
image that you're taking, right,
you make it obscure. You put it

546
00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:23.119
far away enough in the video that
people can't really make out what it is.

547
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:28.000
But the brains have been trained to
whenever they see something like that,

548
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:35.400
that it's a UFO or an unidentified
flying object and then post it and by

549
00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:38.800
extension and by extension, it must
be alien. Well, I have another

550
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:43.679
question for you, is a it's
a fun question for you. I think

551
00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:47.079
it kind of goes along the lines
of faking things when people say, we

552
00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:54.199
do have clear photos of UFOs.
Okay, where a damn ski he took

553
00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:59.320
really good clear Oh my god.
I just thought we didn't address that on

554
00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:00.719
the show, and I thought that
we should respond to that because that's the

555
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:08.280
claims took really good up close photos
of UFOs. So if you can answer

556
00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:15.480
that, well, first off,
Georgia Damski, Wow, Like you don't

557
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:16.800
even want to answer it, but
you know I don't. Yeah, I

558
00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:24.039
don't really want to answer it because
it is completely ridiculous and he got charged

559
00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:29.679
with. I don't really want to
say. I think you can explain it

560
00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:35.199
in a in a better concise way
than I kick because I don't really know

561
00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:39.480
how to maneuver around it. Am
I allowed to curse? Yeah, it's

562
00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:47.360
bullshit, move on, that's it. Well, I mean there's been other

563
00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:53.719
people too that have a claim to
have really clear footage of UFOs. Peter

564
00:45:53.840 --> 00:46:06.239
Maxwell Slattery claims to have very concise, clear pictures of UFOs and even one

565
00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:10.199
of a gray alien in his room
that's like peeking up underneath a blanket,

566
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:15.960
you know, Like I mean,
yeah, they try to travel thousands of

567
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:20.239
thousands of well, who knows,
light years could have traveled, millions of

568
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:22.400
miles could have come from inside the
Earth. Just get get into bed with

569
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:30.000
you and you know your blanket makes
sense. Yeah, And but those people

570
00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:34.960
see, it's only really the blurry
ones and the ones that are out of

571
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:42.880
focus, the ones that are obscure
that people take to be real. The

572
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:47.119
ones that are really clear, and
the ones that are that you actually have

573
00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:55.039
a clearer version of them, people
say are fake. That's a good point.

574
00:46:55.159 --> 00:47:02.920
Yeah, Like what's it's it's hypocrisy
at the best. Well, the

575
00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:07.679
the the euthhological narrative is. You
know, first of all, the association

576
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:14.280
between UFO and alien two completely different
things. There's only an association. They're

577
00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:22.119
different things. And I think there's
a similar association between UFO and blurry images.

578
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:23.920
So when you see a blurry one, it's like, well, that

579
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:30.760
must be a real alien UFO.
So you're making two false correlations. But

580
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:32.440
when you see a really good clear
picture, allow that it's too good to

581
00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:36.639
be true, that can't be can't
be accurate. I think that's what's happening.

582
00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:40.519
I think so too, And a
lot of the really clear ones,

583
00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:47.760
definitely on YouTube are fake. That
that's why the imagees have to be blurred,

584
00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:52.719
that's why they have to be out
of focus, is to cover up

585
00:47:52.760 --> 00:48:01.400
the fakeness of the video. I
mean, Jeremy Corbell in that New Tube

586
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:08.960
documentary literally did not present the clearest
version of that footage, Like why would

587
00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:15.199
he not of the jellyfish off of
Why would he not put the clearest version

588
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:21.480
possible in that documentary? It doesn't
make any sense, you know what,

589
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:25.480
A lot of it was actually filmed. They didn't Actually they filmed it from

590
00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:32.039
a camera off of a screen,
is what they did in the Tube documentary.

591
00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:38.280
That's just like they did all the
interviews from a camera while Jeremy Corbell

592
00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:44.880
is zooming people or facetiming people,
Like you tell me you didn't have enough

593
00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:49.280
money to actually bring the person to
the location that you're filming like you had

594
00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:52.639
to in the videos like glitching out
and shit, like why would you do

595
00:48:52.719 --> 00:49:00.239
that? Jeremy Corbell's freaking zooming Dave
Grush from Colorado, Jimmy Corbell's in California,

596
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:07.480
and their video recording the conversation with
a video camera. It's like,

597
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:09.320
you know what I think that is? I think that is all for show,

598
00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:13.960
obviously for show. And it reminds
me I interviewed this guy one time

599
00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:19.400
from the Discovery Channel. His name
was Becky and he was he's like a

600
00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:23.719
world explorer. He travels and climbs, and he was invited by the Discovery

601
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:29.800
Channel to do a documentary about the
Dootlave Past incident. You know that incident?

602
00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:32.119
Yes, yeah, So for anybody
that doesn't know it, type in

603
00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:37.119
do youot Love for Devil's Pass and
you can read about that incident with the

604
00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:39.920
hikers. So they go to investigate
because the one of the theories was almost

605
00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:44.320
have been the yetti that killed the
hikers, right, So it's it's first

606
00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:47.519
of all, kind of a ludicrous
documentary idea. So they go to the

607
00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:51.920
location. I interviewed him and I
asked him. I had a co host

608
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:53.079
with me at the time, and
we both asked him about, you know,

609
00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:58.320
how real was this documentary? Do
you actually find proof of the yetti?

610
00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:01.320
Because that's what the documentary kind of
suggest. They have a yetti call

611
00:50:01.719 --> 00:50:05.840
on the audio of the yetti,
you know, and they have recording of

612
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:07.639
it. They play it on the
screen, they show you, like the

613
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:12.039
Audacity audio line and anyway, long
story short, he tells us. He's

614
00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:13.599
like no, He's like, no, no, no, no, He's

615
00:50:13.639 --> 00:50:15.960
like, we he said, the
Discovery Channel was really good to me,

616
00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:19.800
and you know, they took care
of us and we had a lot of

617
00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:23.159
fun. He's like, but what
we had with the finished product, it

618
00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:28.320
wasn't it wasn't real. He said. The person that was there was a

619
00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:31.519
person in a big coat standing on
the tree line that we took a grainy,

620
00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:37.719
blurry photograph of literally, and he
said, we the whole scene where

621
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:43.360
they go into the YETI they found
a yetti nest a cavern. He said

622
00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:45.559
that whole thing. We went in
there. They staged it and we had

623
00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:50.679
to walk in multiple times for them
to shoot it, and then we couldn't

624
00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:53.400
get any actual good sound. So
I forget exactly how he said they did

625
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:57.480
this, but they had like a
guy go in the woods and like a

626
00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:01.559
you know, make a noise,
recorded it and put it on put it

627
00:51:01.599 --> 00:51:05.800
on TV, and people ate it
up. Oh it's real that yet he's

628
00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:07.920
real. They found a nest and
they have the sound, and they had

629
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:10.480
the picture. It was a guy
screaming in the woods with a giant coat

630
00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:15.360
on and a staged stage thing.
I mean, they were on location,

631
00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:19.559
so the location was real. It
was totally fake. That's what all these

632
00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:23.920
ghost shows, alien shows, bigfoot
shows, they're almost all like that.

633
00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:31.199
It's fake. It's really fake.
And it's so sad that it gets to

634
00:51:31.239 --> 00:51:35.599
that point. And I mean,
first of all, it is entertainment.

635
00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:40.559
Anything on TV is entertainment. So
but one thing is really interesting about the

636
00:51:40.719 --> 00:51:49.639
diolov Pass incident is that there was
another incident in nineteen ninety three that was

637
00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:54.000
called the Corvinia incident. I did
a show on this before with Trey Hudson

638
00:51:54.440 --> 00:52:00.800
and we talked about it. Where
there was a survivor of this incident and

639
00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:08.119
what had happened was they were hiking
on It was a separate mountain. It

640
00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:14.239
wasn't around the Diolo Pass incident,
but it was also in Russia, and

641
00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:17.360
there were six hikers that were hiking
on going trying to get to the peak

642
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:22.480
of this mountain. They get around
a couple of miles away. They figured

643
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:25.679
out that there was going to be
harsh weather. It was raining the entire

644
00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:29.800
time, so they camped in the
open face of the mountain, just like

645
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:35.760
the d Pass incident people did.
They camped in the open face of the

646
00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:37.920
mountain. They didn't camp in the
tree line, which is another really interesting

647
00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:45.039
aspect and correlating between both of those. And they decided because of the weather

648
00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:47.440
to turn around and go back down
the mountain. And as they were going

649
00:52:47.480 --> 00:52:52.719
down the mountain, a gentleman in
the back of the group fell over,

650
00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:57.000
started convulsing. He was foaming at
the mouth, he was bleeding out of

651
00:52:57.000 --> 00:53:00.199
his eyes, bleeding out of his
ears. So then the leader of the

652
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:04.960
group ran to him and told the
rest of them to get down to the

653
00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:07.480
mountain, get down to shelter,
make a fire, I'll take care of

654
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:14.119
this person. So pretty soon she
also started experiencing the exact same symptoms that

655
00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:17.239
the gentleman that fell to the ground
had started convulsing and bleeding out of his

656
00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:25.360
years and mouth and foaming at the
mouth. And then pretty soon everyone started

657
00:53:25.400 --> 00:53:32.320
experiencing the exact same thing besides one
lady, and she ran away. She

658
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:37.880
was in the woods for three days. Some kayakers then found her took her

659
00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:44.880
to the police station, where she
gave her report and told everyone exactly what

660
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:50.599
happened, which I think is very
similar to the Diatlov Pass incident. Now,

661
00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:55.719
there's no theories, in really any
speculations surrounding the Corvinia incident because there

662
00:53:55.800 --> 00:54:00.400
was a survivor that could tell the
story of exactly what happened. But nobody

663
00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:07.280
knows what happened at dat Love Pass
because there was no survivors and the Russian

664
00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:13.360
government officially called it that they died
from an avalanche or whatever. But the

665
00:54:13.360 --> 00:54:20.920
two stories seem very connected, and
I'm pretty sure that the similar thing that

666
00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:27.679
happened to the hikers at the Corvinia
incident also happened at the diat Love Pass.

667
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:31.400
Incident. But the theorist and the
people that want to make it about

668
00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:37.159
Bigfoot and Yadi, since they don't
know what happened, because there wasn't any

669
00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:44.159
survivors, it's gone off into fairytale
land. Well, it's interesting that anybody

670
00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:46.599
could think, to me, it's
really interesting anbody could think that there's a

671
00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:53.039
singular explanation that always seems to have
this like cult following, because there's equally

672
00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:59.159
enough enough people who think it was
UFOs that killed those hikers, and then

673
00:54:59.199 --> 00:55:02.920
people think it's and it's like they're
all looking and finding the evidence that correlates

674
00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:09.280
with this thing that they already believe
that it's. It's always it's like Republicans

675
00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:14.639
always blame blame democrats. Democrats always
blame Republicans, you know, we always

676
00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:19.360
blame aliens or blame the Yetti or
Bigfoot. There's there's other explanations for things,

677
00:55:19.400 --> 00:55:23.800
and sometimes those explanations that or other
are equally or perhaps more so fascinating

678
00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:30.639
than some arbitrary thing like UFOs or
Yetti or Bigfoot. But again that's the

679
00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:35.960
dichotomy, that's the that's the cult
like mindset. Well, the theorist on

680
00:55:36.039 --> 00:55:40.599
the Corvinia incident said. They also
related it to Bigfoot though as well.

681
00:55:40.599 --> 00:55:50.000
They said, the Bigfoot, let's
off this uh infrasound that paralyzes people and

682
00:55:50.599 --> 00:55:53.679
makes them foament the mouth and bleeding
horizon and bleed from their ears. So

683
00:55:54.599 --> 00:56:02.280
Yetti and Bigfoot has also killed the
people at the Corvinia incident as well as

684
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:09.039
the people at the past incident.
So there's your Bigfoot connection. There always

685
00:56:09.079 --> 00:56:15.039
is one, isn't there? Yet
He's got infra sound, it gets new

686
00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:21.639
abilities. Uh, every year they
just power up. They sometimes YETI turns

687
00:56:21.639 --> 00:56:29.320
super Sian and then it gets amazing
new abilities. Yeah, he's powering up.

688
00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:37.719
That's uh, that's super Sian level
two Yetti. It's over nine thousand.

689
00:56:38.119 --> 00:56:44.039
His hair just turns bright white blonde
straight up in the air, has

690
00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:51.880
a golden aurora around him. Well, hey, the super Sands and dragon

691
00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:54.920
ball Z the sands they would turn
into giant ape like creatures. Right,

692
00:56:55.559 --> 00:57:00.599
he's just saying, He's just super
saying, just saying, amazing connection.

693
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:04.400
Right there? Did the creators of
dragon Balls you know about the Yetti,

694
00:57:04.480 --> 00:57:07.800
They know about the YETI. I
gotta say that's probably one of the things

695
00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:10.679
that interests me the least is the
is the the Yetti bigfoot narrative. I

696
00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:15.679
mean, I like cryptozoology, but
I just find that to be it's not

697
00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:19.360
because of this, it's just not
that's not because of the nature of the

698
00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:22.800
subject. It's because of all the
TV shows and all that. Like I

699
00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:27.679
was flipping through free I was on
two B actually watched the UFO documentary and

700
00:57:27.679 --> 00:57:30.760
I was slipping through the had a
live TV section. I slipping through it,

701
00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:37.000
and there were like two or three
different channels playing you playing bigfoot documentaries

702
00:57:37.079 --> 00:57:39.320
or shows. I don't know how
they have big foot shows? Like how

703
00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:43.639
much? How much more content can
you generate over the same thing. It's

704
00:57:43.639 --> 00:57:46.039
always there's a footprint, did a
cast of the footprint? It's not it's

705
00:57:46.039 --> 00:57:51.639
not a human footprint. Okay,
Episode two, same exact thing, and

706
00:57:51.679 --> 00:57:53.239
then they heard a call in the
woods and somebody threw a rock at somebody.

707
00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:57.079
It's like, it's the same thing
over and it's like the ghost shows.

708
00:57:57.960 --> 00:58:02.400
It just kind of disparages real investigative
work into those things. I don't

709
00:58:02.440 --> 00:58:06.760
know, and say what you want
about someone like Hans Holzer or someone like

710
00:58:08.239 --> 00:58:13.079
Eda Lorraine Warren, but at least
to some in some capacity, at least

711
00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:17.880
like especially Holzer, like he wrote
volumes and volumes of books with you know,

712
00:58:19.079 --> 00:58:22.760
the experiences and the data and the
cases, and most of this modern

713
00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:27.800
stuff is like you go read like
a ghostbook today, it's like it's like

714
00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:31.679
thirty pages long, it's all in
a weird font and it's just someone's anecdotal

715
00:58:31.679 --> 00:58:36.039
account. Is like, there's no
scholarly work going into any of these things

716
00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:38.960
anymore, and I think that's really
sad. Well, you can see all

717
00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:45.840
the paranormal, fake hoaxed videos.
YouTube used to be full of those.

718
00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:54.280
Back when YouTube first started, it
was just nothing but fake hoaxed paranormal ghost

719
00:58:54.440 --> 00:59:04.079
videos. I mean, that's how
Ghost of Ventures got their start, was

720
00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:10.119
faking in hoaxing a documentary on it, they said that they had they captured

721
00:59:10.159 --> 00:59:19.119
a full blown apparition. They then
when they were also in this abandoned place

722
00:59:19.159 --> 00:59:22.280
in California, at the end of
the documentary, you see this board fall

723
00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:25.800
over and then a brick fly from
one side of the room to the other

724
00:59:25.880 --> 00:59:30.360
side of the room. Made them
huge and popular. I mean, that's

725
00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:35.480
what kicked off their entire show.
And now they don't did they act like

726
00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:39.480
that documentary didn't happen at all.
They don't reference it, they don't talk

727
00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:45.239
about it, they don't ever mention
it. But that's what kicked off their

728
00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:51.079
entire Ghost of a Ventures paranormal show
that's still running to this very day.

729
00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:55.079
It was from hoaxed in fake footage. You know what, it's a real

730
00:59:55.119 --> 00:59:59.639
quick story. I don't know if
you feel this way, but curious if

731
00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:04.280
you do. I've noticed that when
I go to a bookstore, whether it's

732
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:07.519
a specialty bookstore that kind of specializes
in this kind of thing, or if

733
01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:12.320
I go to just a general bookstore, used or new or whatever, and

734
01:00:12.360 --> 01:00:15.239
I always try to be social and
talk to the people that are in the

735
01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:21.719
occult alien, UFO, bigfoot,
whatever section that is new age, whatever

736
01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:24.400
they call it. It doesn't matter, old young man, woman. I

737
01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:28.559
just try to find out what people
are interested in, or maybe for me

738
01:00:28.679 --> 01:00:31.920
more importantly, why are they interested. I want other people's perspectives. And

739
01:00:31.960 --> 01:00:37.519
I've noticed that to the average person
who isn't interested in that, like I

740
01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:43.320
and probably you two writer, we're
weird for being interested in these and such

741
01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:46.400
things. But then I talk to
people that pick up those kinds of books,

742
01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:50.199
and I ask them questions like well, what are you reading or you

743
01:00:50.199 --> 01:00:52.400
know, what are you interested in? I'm just curious men again, men

744
01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:57.039
women doesn't matter, And I realize
really quickly when they answer the question.

745
01:00:57.119 --> 01:01:00.440
Most of the time, I don't
think I have anything in common with them

746
01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:02.800
either, because the stuff that they're
interested in is like I want to learn

747
01:01:02.840 --> 01:01:07.519
witchcraft so I can hex Republicans or
I'm you know, and as the books.

748
01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:09.360
There's literally books written on that.
I had a copy of one of

749
01:01:09.400 --> 01:01:13.440
them. I got rid of it
because it felt evil. I you know

750
01:01:13.480 --> 01:01:15.239
there, or I talked to some
of the day who was who was who

751
01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:21.360
was a witch? And their goal
was to they were like a real I

752
01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:23.000
said, like a kitchen witch,
or like an herbal witch, or look

753
01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:28.679
like, oh, I'm a real
witch. I was like, what does

754
01:01:28.679 --> 01:01:30.559
it like? What does that mean? And I asked her, like what

755
01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:32.679
does that mean? She said,
well, I practice magic, like ceremonial

756
01:01:32.719 --> 01:01:37.679
magic. And then she's got she's
she's like looking at these very like left

757
01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:42.280
hand path dark books, and I
think, like that is how I'm perceived.

758
01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:45.760
I'm perceived as being in that category
by people that don't know anything about

759
01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:50.480
it because of because I like to
have symbols around me, like I have

760
01:01:50.519 --> 01:01:53.840
an aunt here or I have a
pentagram or whatever. So I feel like

761
01:01:53.920 --> 01:02:00.000
it's hard sometimes to even talk to
people that are interested in UFOs or people

762
01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:05.159
that are interested in, say symbols
or witchcraft or whatever, because it's its

763
01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:08.360
own paradigm. Again, and when
people talk about UFO, I've been when

764
01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:12.599
I went to Roswell or go to
UFO conference or whatever it is, I

765
01:02:12.599 --> 01:02:16.440
don't really get along with those people
because I don't understand what the hell they're

766
01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:22.320
talking about. It doesn't make me
special and not special, and they're not

767
01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:28.760
not special. It's just you can
see the chasm between the people that think

768
01:02:28.800 --> 01:02:32.119
it's insane and the people that believe
everything. And my whole point this last

769
01:02:32.159 --> 01:02:36.960
couple of weeks has been we have
to step outside that paradigm that encompasses both

770
01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:39.440
of those viewpoints that you have a
thought on that or your own experience or

771
01:02:42.760 --> 01:02:46.679
yeah. I really just don't talk
with people outside of the community about it.

772
01:02:46.719 --> 01:02:51.599
I just kind of keep to myself
and I have, like, you

773
01:02:51.639 --> 01:02:54.920
know, some conversations with people,
but I keep it really surface level.

774
01:02:54.960 --> 01:03:00.599
Like I was talking to a random
person the other day on the street.

775
01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:04.800
I was like, Hey, what
do you think about these UFOs and are

776
01:03:04.840 --> 01:03:07.800
talking about they just had a you
know, congressional hearing on it. There's

777
01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:15.760
a whistleblower seeing that we got non
biologic bodies and the government has recovered craft.

778
01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:17.920
And then this person was like,
yeah, I don't believe it,

779
01:03:20.519 --> 01:03:24.639
you know, and I don't think
that the It's like we were talking about

780
01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:29.840
in the beginning of this episode,
I don't think that even normal, every

781
01:03:29.960 --> 01:03:37.440
day people like fall for a majority
of the things that we think that they're

782
01:03:37.599 --> 01:03:43.039
falling for. It's mostly just in
this community. That's a great point.

783
01:03:43.199 --> 01:03:47.199
Yeah, actually, that's a really
great point because I the last couple of

784
01:03:47.199 --> 01:03:51.800
weeks when I've had this guy,
I've kind of noticed something similar that had

785
01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:55.079
a couple discussions with people in public, like at bookstores or something about UFOs,

786
01:03:55.239 --> 01:04:00.039
and I'll ask them what do you
think? And a lot of a

787
01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:02.960
lot of the people I've spoken to
are more I wouldn't say objective. They're

788
01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:06.239
just either uninterested. It's like,
oh, it doesn't really matter to me

789
01:04:06.280 --> 01:04:09.320
one way or the other, don't
really I don't really know, don't really

790
01:04:09.400 --> 01:04:12.760
care, or they're like, well, I think that there's something to it,

791
01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:15.039
but I don't really know who to
believe, So you're I think you're

792
01:04:15.159 --> 01:04:18.960
right. I think the people that
believe the nonsense are more so within the

793
01:04:18.960 --> 01:04:23.000
community. But that goes back again
to what I said, it's it's it's

794
01:04:23.000 --> 01:04:27.000
a it's literally a cult. It's
literally a cult. Which is so funny.

795
01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:30.239
When I talked to Jordan say there
that one year that and he accused

796
01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:34.079
me of a harassing and attacking him, and I call when I was there,

797
01:04:34.119 --> 01:04:36.920
I said, you're you're a cult
leader, Jordan, this is all

798
01:04:36.960 --> 01:04:41.119
these people around you are a cult. And then the whole group of people

799
01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:44.320
get out, get out, get
just chanting in unison. I'm like,

800
01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:48.199
this is a cult. This is
precisely the point you won't engage in dialogue.

801
01:04:49.079 --> 01:04:56.039
So anyway, that's that's my story. Yeah, And the perfect example

802
01:04:56.079 --> 01:05:02.440
of that is in twenty twenty when
the Pentagon really while the New York Times

803
01:05:02.440 --> 01:05:10.360
released that article, seeing that the
Pentagon the UFOs are now a thing and

804
01:05:10.440 --> 01:05:15.000
that they're real, no one cared. The only people that cared were the

805
01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:19.039
people that were already interested in it. You know, they didn't get anybody

806
01:05:19.039 --> 01:05:26.480
else that previously wasn't interested in it
interested in it. They didn't care.

807
01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:31.719
It's all within the group, within
the community it is, and that is

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the perfect place to in this Ryan, thanks so much for coming on.

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Brother. Let people know where they
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where there's the aftermath app. It's
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You also get early access to the
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copies of my books and montages.
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the website. I have a new
book where I talk a lot about this

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stuff that we discussed tonight in one
of the chapters. It's called Garden of

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Hallucinations, and again that's on the
same website. You have any questions,

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you can email me at t ST
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show that you and I did writer
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I'll get you the link so you
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social media and whatnot. Thanks so
much, brother, really enjoyed the laid

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back, amazing conversation. I enjoy
every single one of them that we have

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together, my friend. And if
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Thank you guys for watching and thank
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