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Paranormal Dimensions is fortnightly on Mondays on
the Paranormal UK Radio Network. Look,

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the two of you are beginning a
strange journey, a journey that no earth

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people have ever undertaken before. Now, whether you consider me a devil or

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a saint is unimportant. What is
important is that you're here on this spaceship

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preparedly or an all conversion must be
completed during this high period. Good detail.

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This is Sir Patrick Moore and you're
listening for the Paranormal the UK Radio

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Network, the UK's biggest paranormal radio
network, and this is Paranormal Dimensions with

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David Ya. Hello, and welcome
to the show. I'm David Young.

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Now this past weekend we've had the
Mini Awakening conference in Bolton, and the

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guest on this show is the MC
from that conference or convention, whatever you

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want to call it. And her
name is Hollywood. Now stick with me

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here because I'm going to actually ask
Colley how she came to have that name.

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Now I'm going to waste no more
time because I'm eager to talk to

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Holly. I'd like to welcome Hollywood
to the show. Hello, Holly,

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Welcome to the show. Thank you. So much for having me. I'm

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so glad that I could be here. No, I'll very please to have

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you all. I'll tell you what
this this clear one little thing up before

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we start. Your name, what's
coming? Is it? This? Your

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name's Hollywood? Is that your real
name? That is my real name?

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I've probably been asked it three times
really today. I know it's just the

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fact that we've got people listed out
there and they'll be thinking, is that

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a real name? Really? So
obviously this is going out quite a wide

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audience. So there you go.
It is your real name. But I

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think you've got a middle name,
Holly Ann Wood. Is that right,

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Hally Elmwood. Yeah. So my
parents intentionally did it. They denied all

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knowledge till I was in my late
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So unfortunately my mom passed and as
I was dealing with heigh affairs, I

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found a small book that had a
boy's name on jack. There's no Jackson

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our family. So I read the
book because I'm very nosy, and it

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was a journal she wrote to her
bump, which was me. They thought

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it was going to be a boy, but I'm like several pages in,

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she writes, if you were a
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half, so I knew there was
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my real name. And I throw
Anne in there because sometimes the questions never

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start. So, yes, Hollywood
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great. I thank you associationally.
Does the name become the person you should

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have gone off to Hollywood and said, look, more, name's Hollywood.

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You've got to give me a job
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the ten to fifteen years I spent
in drama school was just to get me

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under that Hollywood sign. But hopefully
this year I will be out in La

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so with love it. So you're
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you or something. I'm just going
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I just put the opportunity. I
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fabulous to have me the same.
Facts are Paramount Studios. I don't know

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if it's still going, is it
anyway? Too? A few of them

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went, didn't they? But anyway, some other exciting news and something we've

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got to put straight. Also,
now this show is going out on the

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nineteenth, but you're MCing on the
seventeenth the Awakening, So unfortunately we can't

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we can't talk about the pasting because
it hasn't happened yet. But what we

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can talk about what you're expecting to
happen. And then on the on the

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Monday, when the show goes out, we'll see if it all came out

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through, so it would be fabulous. It was a great show. It

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went so well. Yeah, so
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at the conference which went out on
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it's actually because we were recording this
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is, but it's actually a couple
of weeks a wife, yeah, next

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weekend. Yeah, so yes,
it's a show by the team, the

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Awakening team Steve Mehrah, great guy, lovely person. He very kindly asked

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me to host their event, which
when people are listening to this, it

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would have happened. It will have
happened. It's the Dark Side of Uphology

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with a phenomenal lineup of speakers,
Mark Ollie, Steve Mehra himself, by

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Fitzgerald, they can seller twins and
from the States, Nathaniel Gillis so and

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of course how could I forget my
friend and absolute wonder Paul Sinclair. I

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adore, I adore, great man, great family, wonderful, wonderful guy.

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So we're again the show. We're
great. It's going to be great,

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and I'm so lucky and great grateful
that as a female as well and

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if male dominated world, that I
get to delve into the dark side of

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your apology with an incredible lineup of
speakers. It's happening at the Albert Hall

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in Bolton and then you may have
actually not been to before, so yeah,

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it's yeah, you've got there's some
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be as we know it's gonna I
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Call it a show, I mean
a great event, as shall we

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say, because I know all the
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my own. Actually apart from Nathaniel
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but all the others I do and
they're all friends. So and I know,

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I know it's really a great event. But yeah, I'll have to

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try. I'm hoping it I'll get
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on to the events. So on
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and it was great, and already
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be great. But has been on
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a couple of times. Model he
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and also the Conservatories have been on
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what's in store for the audience there. And obviously they have already They've already

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seen it by now anyway, so
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anyway, I suppose we going to
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kind of a skip over it now. And you have a podcast of your

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own and it's called Into the Weird. Yeah, yeah, So I do

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various things. I do have have
a show Into the Weird, But predominantly

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my sort of media, so to
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live conversations on x formerly Twitter.
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as opposed to doing podcasts at the
moment. And I've been so blessed and

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lucky that I get to interview,
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minds in the phenomena. Last week
only I had a conversation with Peter Lavender,

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the Marco Visconti. I've been so
blessed, Ross Coulthart, Cheryl Costa,

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Steve Marra, Paul Sinclair. You
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lucky. Now you're coming on definitely, Well what I love you to do?

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Now you're coming on what I love
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as well. The Americans tend to
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And as a Northern girl, if
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girl in a very proud brit I
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into those environments. So Paul,
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victims, and I hold X spaces. I try to do them as often

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as I can. I try to
bring all different types of people from across

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the phenomena because it's not just about
UAP or UFOs, you know, it's

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about the paranormal, it's about the
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So I like to cover the whole
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have thousands of people listen and replays
and I just I get to speak to

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people who I admire. How cool
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about it, the amount of people
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this something I've found it myself.
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look, I've got the radio show. What was you a lot to come

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on a su uess And it's great. You know, you do get the

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chance to actually approach these people when
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that, would you. So as
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mean, I'm learning as much as
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it. I'm learning myself really And
also you're probably seeing, much like I

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do, there's a lot of connections
between all these supernatural events or apparent all

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the events, not UFO's ups interdimensional
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couldn't see those connections, but beginning
to see as time goes on, there's

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really everything's connected, you know,
one hundred percent. And that's how I

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came into this community. Actually I
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I'm an experience, had experiences when
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a bit of a fascination for UFOs
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for consciousness and the expansion of our
brains. And our consciousness and how that

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works and big meditation person and I
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five and I was able to sandwich
the consciousness element and you know, the

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UFO stuff, and I was able
to sandwich them together. And that was

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how I turned up in this community
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I still don't quite know how,
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or heigh Heights. I refer to
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so I facilitate those type of expeditions
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I think quite often these things are
actually manipulated so they happen, you know,

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so you actually get manipulated into the
position where you are I'm pretty sure

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up in and manipulated that we were
on what I'm doing now. It's funny

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you say that, because I was
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and a half years ago. I
met Steve Barra. He doesn't know this,

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by the way, and I went, doesn't meet you? Well,

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I think he does now. And
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looked because I put events on and
I have it on globally, and I

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kind of got chatted to him,
and he's so great, and he was

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so miniable. He was just chip
chating the way he does that. I

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think I said, one day I'll
be up on that stage just you want

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any sort of you know, as
Steve does. And look, two and

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a half half years later, here
I am. I'm seeing at one of

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his events. And you know,
I'm not extraordinary, there's nothing overly special

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about me. But somehow, somewhere, somehow that it aligned. And I

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do believe it all happens for some
bod design and I am convinced now the

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synchronicities. And I say this on
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the phenomena, it interacts back,
it does, and I think it's all

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part and parcel of why I'm here. This is why I'm talking to you.

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Yeah, no, definitely, will
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weakening. Really, I mean,
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for a while and eventually your pauls
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I think it's kind of the way
things happen, you know, I mean

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with friends death, which is great. Well, I don't know too much

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about your past, so I mean, you want to tell us, you

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said, some you've had your experiences
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So I grew up in a very
different type household. So I come

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from Irish family, Irish Catholics,
but my mum was not. I was

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Catholic. She was a witch,
She was into the occult, she was

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into some interesting stuff. So I
was brought up around weirdness. And when

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I was about eight or nine,
my mum was doing some ritual magic work

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in Wiltshire on the Chalk Horse on
the hills there, and me and three

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other children were just kind of sat
there with a kind of pop eat some

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crisps, you know, as you
do, you know, early nineties,

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and we were sat in the eye
of the horse and a small golden orange

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orb just happened to be there.
Now that didn't startle me because weird stuff

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happened all the time around my mom
because she was magical, So it wasn't

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that weird for me. And these
little orange sons as I called them,

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appeared throughout my childhood and I didn't
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know, we believed in fairies.
My mum conversed with the dead. It

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was all just part and parcel.
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thirteen fourteen, my mum, we
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have the Internet on a dial up
collection, yeah, very well, And

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we had this PC that was like
huge, installed in a cupboard under the

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stairs. And I think the first
thing I did was stumble onto something about

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Roswell and I was like, oh, and then you know, as the

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Internet it does it is. Of
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in those times. It wasn't that
much. And I remember stumbling either into

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a chat room or something in which
all was mentioned and I was like,

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ooh, oh, oh, okay, well I've been seeing them, oh

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my, oh, my goodness.
So I started to put one and one

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together. And those orbs have been
a recurring theme throughout my life. So,

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you know, throughout my teenage years, I was vastly into beseech and

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anything I could get my hands on
about the phenomena about UFOs, what is

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it? You know, I was
obsessed with Area fifty one, you know,

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I was just in it. And
that's kind of what led me to

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see five and human initiated contact because
again there was talk of orbs, so

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I knew these orbs they were familiar
to me, so I got into I

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think it was the summer of Lockdown. I think I'd been watching some of

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Grea's films and I thought, oh, I wonder if there's anyone else like

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into it near me. And he
has the app. So I went onto

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the app and it had a section
to find other people local and there wasn't

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anybody. So as determined as I
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just check Facebook see five UK.
The whole community popped up in again serendipitously

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or by design. The guy gentleman
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five UK, said well, no
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would you like to me as bold
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because I would lead see five events. Out in the field, we would

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see orbs, so we would have
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then I am the Daily Mail.
I'm a former publicist. I've worked in

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the media form a radio presenter.
I'm known to the media. A journalist

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reached out to me at the Daily
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want to cover the females in ufology
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interested. I was like, absolutely, but I'm not going to have a

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hit piece. But you're not going
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And you know, I've got a
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I was should I do this?
But I did? And then I

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just my name just started becoming quite
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I then started organizing UFO Twitter weeks
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suggested, you do like the sound
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don't you start a podcast? So
Into the Weird kind of formed there and

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here I am on your show.
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we must pointed out that you spelt
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so w I d e is the
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just put the e on for aesthetics. But I I enjoy history. I

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enjoy the magical and mysticism and the
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but it makes sense of the English
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know, the United Kingdom is such
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an ode to the past. So
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the weird covers all aspects of the
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it's not just about craft. I'm
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not your girl for anything nuts and
bolts. But the weird that's where I

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can talk forever. Well, I
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scramming for a pin to write it
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end of the show. We'll go
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all the things everyone of those what
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like that. So really, I
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your own? Also many times,
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one of the first questions I'm asked
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all right. Let you And last
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near Blackpool and he was having real
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drivers refused to drive onto his land
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the vehicles. I was like,
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gathered a team of people from the
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went up there and I took a
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with me and lo and behold as
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that all right, Holly ha,
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got out of the vehicle and we're
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that had like iridescent fields around it, and that the skeptic I was with

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it shattered their worldview and I was
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So I've seen craft like that.
I've seen a lot of orbs.

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We've seen a lot of sort of
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very personal experiences with with with beings, if we want to call it that.

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I said earlier, when you it's
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phenomena, it interacts back. I'd
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and adjacent I was really getting further
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of time at the Monroe Institute.
I was really you know, into that

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side of things. And I took
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the most startling thing happened. It's
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Actually I'm missing time, which is
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missing a couple of hours. I
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completely paralyzed in my bed. I
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I wasn't asleep, but I wasn't
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sort around me. And I wasn't
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I was startled? And I was. It felt like time just changed.

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others around me, and I sort
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the only way I can explain.
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I started meditating. The dog was
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left with some interesting words in my
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were more like sounds and tones.
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to kind of chill out on the
old C five or heiss stuff until I

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really understood what are we summoning?
What are we making contact with? And

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I firmly do believe that whatever happened
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has spared me on to do the
work that I do now. With experiences.

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I'm also heavily involved with an organization
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sort of foundation organization that's in the
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enables positive conversation around NHI and experiences
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it was after my experience that I
was I was compelled to help experiences a

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little more. So. Yeah,
it was a it was an odd experience,

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but one that has certainly set me
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with experiences on a global basis.
So did you actually get a sight of

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aliance or that you can remember?
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I know that sounds absolutely ridiculous,
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shapes that had fall. But there
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and it was they were very blue, just like a It's really hard to

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describe, and I don't have the
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was aware of individual presence, a
presence of individual beings, but it was

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more around light. But the light
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you see through the light had substance, and that was the mind bend for

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me that how did they get here? What do they want with me?

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Is there a reason they're interacting with
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The answer is, yes, there
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that reason is yet. I'm sure
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there was definite energy that had a
substance but not physical form, if that

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makes any sense well to me.
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to me, it's just an idea
that it sounds like they may have been

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interdimensional bes talking to you through another
dimension, and they've got a way of

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doing it, you know. And
this is why I was saying to you

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earlier about the connections with everything that's
paranormal. But I think there's a lot

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of connections between what we see as
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as well, but it's all linked
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ghosts themselves sort of thing. So
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you know. I don't fundamentally agree. Lots of high strangeness happens around

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me. I technology hates me.
It's just technology goes wrong around me.

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I've never been able to wear a
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break. Technology just goes pop.
That's why when I came on the call,

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I was like, can you hear
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that many microphones, unreal and a
lot of high strangeness because I know it

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has actually happened before. There'sh with
certain peoples we've had. I did a

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show last year and it was live, and my listeners were saying, can

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you hear that? Can you hear
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I playback, and there was other
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was like someone had a television on
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and out, but there was there's
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happened throughout my life. That phenomenon, phenomena of stuff just happens around me

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all the time. Well, that's
crazy. I wish I'll live near or

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be around more often to see what's
going on. Do you love a good

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ghost hunting? I'm not scared by
by stuff like that. You know,

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I enjoy the pursuit of investigating the
unknown, and because you know it is

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all connected, and you know,
I stand on business on that one.

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It really is all connected. We
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strangeness happens, and then I have
an interaction with the others. So what's

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going on there? Right? We
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actually believe we're being visited for intepecary
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believe that as well? Well?
I'm back and forth on this one.

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I think the more I get into
the community, and the more exposure I

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have to eminent academics, you know, thirty forty fifty year long resetchers,

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journalists, you know, authors,
what have you, my views are starting

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to morph. I'm of the opinion
now that and again subject to change that

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they whoever they may be. I
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the others have been here the whole
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see and interact with all the time. I think the dimensional side of things

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is more where I lean to.
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We could only just keep investigating and
hopefully the phenomena reveals itself to us when

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we're good and ready. They're definitely
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they're waiting for I don't know,
but I believe that they've been here.

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You know. It's quite interesting.
My son, he's you know, preteen,

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and he's in a Catholic school and
very you know, we don't talk

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about this weird stuff. He stood
up in class, could have died and

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said, my mom said the star
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So I think they've been here since
before us, And all right,

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it sounds very reasonable to me,
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about the visits from all the star
systems. But the universe is so vast,

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I just don't know. Well,
I mean, to me, it

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makes sense because there's probably civilizations that
maybe millions of years more advanced than we

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are. So to me, it
says the reason they could be traveled all

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over the place in ways that we
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quantum physics, and you know how
all that works. We're just on the

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sort of tipping point of starting to
understand a little bit of some of that

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quantum stuff. And you know,
what an exciting time to be alive,

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right, and scary in some ways. But so that yeah, that's another

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subject. But I mean it stands
to reasons when when we hear that people

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say that we're the only ones that
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it just doesn't make sense at all. Is I would say, there's thousands

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of millions of civilizations out there,
you know, some less than us and

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some a lot more involves than us. And when I say less, I

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mean the lower advance time as well. I think our human perception of what

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time is isn't actually what time is. And you know, as Tom Delonger

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said on interviews before, the universe
is teeming with life and who are we,

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how how egotistical of humanity to believe
where it we're the only ones.

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I don't know if there could be
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guess it's a it's a possibility.
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time. Really, it's only our
perception of time what we we we use

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as a measurement. And I was
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Rob Thompson, he seems to believe
also, I don't you know, he's

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on the Ghost Finders he seems to
have the same opinion of me, that

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everything is on the same sort of
timeline more or less, and you can

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go into a different timelines will if
if you've got the if you've got the

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means to do it type of thing, you know. And I think that's

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how a lot of mediums work.
Actually, they can sort of go to

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go to a it's like having a
record and find that a groove and you

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can I'll go into that groove,
you know, or that or that groove

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becomes more apparent to them. My
mum was, you know, a celebrated

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mystic medium, cleverant, whatever,
and we call it. We called it

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in our family knowing, you know. And I have a little bit of

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knowing, and my kid kid does
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interesting. My mum would often have
knowing about future events and it would come

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to fruition. But she could also
meet somebody who she'd never met and was

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able to pinpoint something that had happened
in their families past with no current knowledge.

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She was able to get there and
get that information and then bring it

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out. And watching her ability to
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what is time. If we can
slip in and out of it through you

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know, trance or connection in our
brains to the cosmic intelligence. Time is

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not what we thinks about. I
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Well, it's not worth you obviously, it's that other people's not walk clever

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than eight. But certainly, I
mean, do you actually believe to put

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it? Really? I mean,
do you believe you real incarnation, because

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that's kind of connected with all of
that, so that when you when you

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die, you're going to another realm, if you like, and it's sort

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of like another dimension. Yeah,
it resonates with me certainly. I think

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there's some very you know, famous
cases. I recall years ago watching that

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young Scottish boy that remember no he
wasn't Scottish, but he remembered being an

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older gentleman in the highlands in Scotland
and he knew his home and his job

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and his family took him there and
the six year old knew everything and it's

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amazing chills to this day. And
I think that the soul, the human

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soul, well not even the human
sole. I think the soul is part

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of this is where I start getting
very womb now. I think the soul

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transcends the human experience, and I
think the soul is what is connected to

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the cosmic intelligence. We're not going
in a religious direction here, I mean

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really you can. You can kind
of take things, you know, if

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you want to talk it, take
it in a religious way, or you

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can take it in a yeah,
a lot of nature and natural way really

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is the way I look at it. Everything's natural, And you know,

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I don't think you've got to bring
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but I know some people would like
to. But yeah, it's a funny

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one, isn't it when you get
into the religious Yeah, yeah, I

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mean to me, I mean that
that's caused most of the problems in the

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world really when you start looking at
the religious well as Jacques Vallet talks about

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control systems, you know. Yeah, and you know some of the work

408
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,840
that Diana Paulskat was getting a second
name wrong. You know, she's a

409
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:45,159
some of you know, American Cosmic
is a phenomenal book. And yeah,

410
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:51,280
she's been on my show and listen
about year or so think you was doing.

411
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,880
She's just great and I really enjoy
seeing a female I've got her book

412
00:34:54,880 --> 00:35:00,079
on my shelf here somewhere yeah,
and you know, the work that she

413
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:06,599
does I think is very inspirational and
it gives people the opportunity to view the

414
00:35:06,679 --> 00:35:12,079
religious aspect within this phenomena too.
And I think all parts of the conversation

415
00:35:12,159 --> 00:35:17,480
of Alaed, as long as we're
treating each other with respect, I'm holding

416
00:35:17,519 --> 00:35:22,480
it up. I can't see it
holding the world. It's more, it's

417
00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:27,599
more background. But so, yeah, American cosmic doctor. Well I think

418
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:31,079
she was doctor professor. She loved
you, so yeah, yeah, there

419
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:35,199
was a great show. I actually
remember that. She's a nice person.

420
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,840
Yeah, she's very nice. Yeah. You do you consider yourself clear word

421
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:44,280
or psychoso if you've got any of
those sort of powers, if you like

422
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:49,000
to call them that. But here's
an interesting one for you. And I

423
00:35:49,039 --> 00:35:52,239
know some of the work that you
know, Dr Nolan has done over in

424
00:35:52,320 --> 00:36:00,280
Stamford. I have a dah day. I have something called synicsia. Sorry

425
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,599
I've said it wrong, Listeners,
Every sound has a color in my brain.

426
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:12,760
Thursday's green, Wednesdays different. I'm
a or a diverse person. I

427
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,760
don't sleep very much, but my
intuition game is really, really, really

428
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:23,880
strong, and you know, I
find it very interesting that my high level

429
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:30,880
intuition often gives me a sense of
knowing, and I find it even more

430
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:39,840
interesting that a significant amount of people
within the community or those of us exploring

431
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:45,840
the phenomena investigating your known are noor
a diverse. A significant amount of experiences

432
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:52,800
are or a diverse, And you
know, research and stuff that DTR Nolan's

433
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:57,519
talked about is in our basal ganglia. I'm no Laura's surgeon, so I'm

434
00:36:57,559 --> 00:37:00,519
getting it wrong. Forgive me,
but well, you know more about it

435
00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:04,239
than I do. So well,
I sound like I do. But a

436
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,639
couple people in you like know I'm
joking, but you know, those on

437
00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:12,880
the spectrum tend to have enlarged somethink
in that part of the brain which is

438
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,840
responsible for intuition. Intuition is kind
of for me, a stone's throw away

439
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:22,559
from telepathy. We're using our brains
to pick up other signals. So in

440
00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:27,360
answer your question, do I have
a sense of knowing? Yes? Do

441
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:31,559
I use that knowing in my day
to day life? Absolutely do. Sometimes

442
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:36,920
I wish I could turn it off, yeah, because I've become quite overloaded.

443
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,880
If there's a lot of high emotions
in the room, it's too much

444
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:45,519
for me and I was quite,
you know, upset to have a label.

445
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:50,519
She's got ADHD. But now I
kind of see that goes part and

446
00:37:50,559 --> 00:37:54,119
parcel with my knowing and my strong
intuition, and it now guides me.

447
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:59,760
I use it as my inner guidance
now as opposed to there's just something wrong

448
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,239
with me. I think there's something
really right with me, And it's that

449
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,719
sense of knowing an intuition that allows
me to do the work that I do

450
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,840
it in this community for sure?
Or did you feel that when you were

451
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:14,519
a child. Do you have something
I'm not wrong with you, but something

452
00:38:14,519 --> 00:38:20,079
different about you? And I knew
I was different. I always knew I

453
00:38:20,119 --> 00:38:25,880
was different. I had a lot
of imaginary friends or were they well,

454
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:31,599
you know who knows. I was
obsessed with the stars. I was obsessed

455
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:38,280
with constellations. I always felt like
I didn't belong. I've always felt homesick.

456
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:44,159
It's the only way I can describe
it. I am a different character.

457
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,559
Most people will attest to that.
And as a child, I was

458
00:38:46,639 --> 00:38:52,400
very lonely, very very lonely.
I never felt like a fit in.

459
00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:57,599
And I hear that a lot with
experiences. We feel different and we know

460
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,079
we're different. And I think that's
why experiences when we find each other,

461
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:06,840
we tend to congregate together because we
see that in each other, We see

462
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:13,320
that sense of something more believed.
There's more. There's got to be more,

463
00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:15,519
Like I don't just get up to
drive in a car, to go

464
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:20,559
to a job, to pay bills, Like there has to be more to

465
00:39:20,679 --> 00:39:29,599
this existence. And yeah, now
I know when you were talking earlier with

466
00:39:29,679 --> 00:39:34,400
the first thing you mentioned about Orange
Abs, I found that very interesting because

467
00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:37,159
you do hear that Carl Orange coming
up a lot, and you probably hear

468
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:44,639
a lot on your shows too.
It's a weird one for me because they've

469
00:39:44,679 --> 00:39:51,079
been part of my life, my
sort of most recent experience with literally them

470
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:57,119
being close to me. I had
a terrible accident July not last year,

471
00:39:57,159 --> 00:40:00,920
the year before I broke my leg
in I remember, I've seen the photos

472
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,599
with the pen and all that year. Yeah, and I was having a

473
00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:07,360
terrible time. My mental health was
in the bin. I was an hour

474
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:12,800
and a half away in a special
high dependent unit. They didn't know if

475
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:17,079
i'd walk again, and one particular
night I was not. I didn't want

476
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:20,639
to be here. I was like
I'm done, Like this is too much.

477
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,320
It sounds dramatic, but that's where
it was mentally. And I asked

478
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:29,079
one of the healthcare assistants if I
could just look at the stars. And

479
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:34,239
the hospital was fairly rural, whilst
rural as hospitals can be, and we

480
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:40,559
turned the lights off shape and the
blind she went off and ping. You

481
00:40:40,599 --> 00:40:45,639
know, it literally gives me chills. Now, those are in jobs were

482
00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:52,199
there, and it felt like they
were there with purpose, like, come

483
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,320
on, girl, we're bigger than
this, we're braver than this, we're

484
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:59,159
bold in this, and it felt
like there was an intelligent connection. And

485
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,800
from that moment, and that's when
I decided, I'm not going to be

486
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:06,679
defined by this. I'm going to
get through it. I'm not dying.

487
00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:12,679
But it was the interaction that it
brought a sense of ease and calm,

488
00:41:13,039 --> 00:41:16,519
and I knew from that moment it
was going to be okay. So isn't

489
00:41:16,519 --> 00:41:22,159
that interesting that they decided to show
themselves to me? Well, you must

490
00:41:22,199 --> 00:41:24,039
have been given a message to actually
want to look at the stalls too,

491
00:41:24,559 --> 00:41:28,159
you know, to get that feeling. Would they tell you things and you

492
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,719
get that idea and you hid you
know why? I see it? Anyway,

493
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,119
that's great and it was a turning
point for me. It was a

494
00:41:35,159 --> 00:41:38,199
turning point that I knew I was
meant to do something in this community.

495
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:45,320
I knew that I could use my
skills in this community. And if I

496
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:50,800
hadn't have broken my leg, I
would have never had the time to do

497
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,400
the research. I would never have
the time to engage with the community.

498
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:58,440
I would have never When in your
life do you just you know, before

499
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,719
you're tired, you get a chunk
of time. I was on full pay,

500
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,679
so you know, I didn't have
any money worries as such, and

501
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:12,559
I had like six months to totally
emerge myself in the phenomena. So isn't

502
00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:19,880
that interesting that I wouldn't be sat
here talking to you when I saw that

503
00:42:20,039 --> 00:42:22,039
you look really painful. Well,
I don't know, how did you?

504
00:42:22,159 --> 00:42:25,679
Well? What did you do?
How did you? Are you ready?

505
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:31,519
I broke my leg in numerous places
and my uncle by falling off a flip

506
00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:39,000
flop. Oh, no, big
little shoe, there was flip flop.

507
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:45,079
I thought you was sort about fair
ground, a normal flip flop, a

508
00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:52,079
slider. So I was at our
family equestrian farm in Wales. I took

509
00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:54,639
the children out at half seven in
the morning. I'd gone to feed some

510
00:42:54,679 --> 00:42:59,639
of the animals. I was walking
into the stables. One of our working

511
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:04,639
dogs went running past. I stepped
back some something. It was a freak

512
00:43:04,679 --> 00:43:09,280
accident. As I stepped back,
I sort of twisted and the twist spiral

513
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:16,039
fractured my fibular and tipular and Uncle, well, I could see you were

514
00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:22,000
in a lot of calls here.
It was horrible. We won't thinking about

515
00:43:22,039 --> 00:43:28,239
that now. I'm dancing already,
and again I'm really pleased to hear it.

516
00:43:28,679 --> 00:43:32,079
Thank you. I'm pleased see that
again. That may well have been

517
00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:37,119
a thing that was meant to happen
to drive into into this place, now,

518
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,519
you know, like you said,
as nasty as it was at the

519
00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:44,440
time, it was probably something to
wake you up of some sort, although

520
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:51,440
you were probably having these experiences without
realizing it anyway, And that time I

521
00:43:51,519 --> 00:43:59,199
had, you know, on the
backside, just sat reading and researching enabled

522
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:04,440
me to make connections I wouldn't have
ordinarily made. And through having that time,

523
00:44:04,519 --> 00:44:08,320
the Daily Mail article happened. Through
the Daily Mail article, I then

524
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:14,800
formed a company called Investigate the Unknown. We're now about to launch a global

525
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:19,719
app that enables people to investigate the
phenomena. So none of that would have

526
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,639
happened without the leg break. So
I'm grateful for it. In a way,

527
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:28,559
is it because we are more than
just meet and bones, As Bob

528
00:44:28,639 --> 00:44:32,639
Monroe says, we are more than
our physical bodies. And I'm testament to

529
00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:36,719
that. I was able to take
my mind. It was in a lot

530
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,880
of pain. I was on a
lot of crazy drugs, but I was

531
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:44,760
able to take my mind out of
my sick body and take my mind into

532
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,880
new places and spaces and learn.
And as I said, I formed a

533
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,920
company. We're about to launch an
app. All of these things wouldn't have

534
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:57,559
happened without that. So, in
a weird way, ungrateful for the leg

535
00:44:57,599 --> 00:45:00,840
break. You heard it here first, it's fantastic. Oh sure you've seen

536
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:07,239
it before. You mentioned about ghost
hunts before. Do you go on?

537
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:12,239
Many ghost hands and things? I
love them? I do too, We're

538
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,599
can go on. I love them. Well, I'm actually organizing something.

539
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:21,000
I can't talk about it at the
moment, but it's part of my company.

540
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:27,360
Well I will definitely, it's part
of my company. Investigate. You're

541
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,199
known with our wrapp it enables people
to investigate the paranormal, the supernatural,

542
00:45:31,199 --> 00:45:37,039
the UAP consciousness, spiritual cryptids,
the whole whack of of the phenomenon.

543
00:45:39,039 --> 00:45:45,079
We we do some work in the
paranormal space, and we were I was

544
00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:50,760
having a conversation before before I joined
your show about some ghostly adventures. So

545
00:45:51,199 --> 00:45:54,920
I love a good ghost hunt.
My favorite favorite place I've ever been was

546
00:45:55,000 --> 00:46:01,840
Ruthin Castle in North Wales. They're
craziest how strangeness happens around me anyway,

547
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:07,960
but it was it was nuts in
a really good way, and it was

548
00:46:08,639 --> 00:46:16,920
so emotional and a small young child
ghost being what have you came through and

549
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:24,039
I got to have this very strange
interface with with an entity and I spent

550
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:30,239
you know, six hours in a
cold, cold, cold castle in the

551
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,360
middle of the night. And I
really do enjoy anything paranormal. I just

552
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,880
like the investigation. I'm not frightened
by it because I think there's more to

553
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,440
be afraid of the living than is
the day. Yeah. Sure, So

554
00:46:42,679 --> 00:46:45,960
when you go to ghost do you
go as a skeptic of yourself? You

555
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,679
know, because obviously you've got to
look at what things can be before you

556
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,239
start jumping to say, oh,
that's definitely a ghost or whatever. When

557
00:46:53,280 --> 00:47:00,199
you hear noises and it could be
drafts or squeaky doors or whatever. I'm

558
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,960
an Aquarius, so I do have
a quite logical mind, she says,

559
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:09,079
astrology. But I do, you
know, I do try to rule out,

560
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:14,119
you know, is there a wire? Is that fella knocking on the

561
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:20,000
table. But I'm just so with
having a mom that conversed with you know,

562
00:47:20,119 --> 00:47:23,199
those that have passed. It's always
been a part of my life.

563
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:28,239
You know, I talk to my
friends now weedi board. Oh my god,

564
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,639
Oh my god, that's scary.
And I'm like, it's not scary

565
00:47:30,679 --> 00:47:35,000
if you're doing it safely, like
you can commune with those that have gone

566
00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:38,400
to the next place. So I'm
not a skeptic. I'm at all.

567
00:47:38,519 --> 00:47:45,280
Like I'm fully signed up. You
know, I'm in. But but I

568
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:50,159
think, you know, there's times
to be sensible. You know, there's

569
00:47:50,199 --> 00:47:53,079
going to be creaks, there's going
to be you know, wind blowing.

570
00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:59,360
It's about using discernment. But I
adore it. M hmm. I mean

571
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,159
the thing is when you go to
these places because you do know about things,

572
00:48:02,519 --> 00:48:06,840
you're not actually looking for evidence and
you're actually looking for something deeper.

573
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:13,320
Is that what I'm looking for?
The connection I think when when my mom

574
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:20,280
passed over, she before she died, you said, well, I'll come

575
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,840
back and I'll haunt you. And
we made an agreement that when she did

576
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:30,519
pass that she would come back and
she would let me know. And she

577
00:48:30,599 --> 00:48:36,280
didn't, and I was absolutely distraught. Everything that she taught me, all

578
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:42,199
of the paranormal and supernatural experiences and
the magical education she gave me meant Diadley

579
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:47,159
squat because she hadn't come back or
visited me from the next place to knowledge

580
00:48:47,559 --> 00:48:54,760
to your knowledge, well, well, well, weeks later, my son's

581
00:48:54,800 --> 00:49:00,440
father spoke to her a family friend, and said, I've been having these

582
00:49:00,519 --> 00:49:07,559
really strange dreams about Holly's mom and
we keep meeting at this bench. And

583
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:13,039
he described this experience to my mum's
best friend and aunt of mine, so

584
00:49:13,079 --> 00:49:16,039
to speak. And my aunt said, you need to tell Holly, and

585
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:21,320
you need to tell her now because
this is important to us. So he

586
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,159
was like, okay, and he
came to me and said, listen,

587
00:49:23,199 --> 00:49:27,119
I've got something to tell you.
I was like, right, okay.

588
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,519
He said, I don't want you
to be upset. You know, you've

589
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:35,239
just lost your mom. But he
said, I keep dreaming of your mum,

590
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:39,719
and I said at a bench and
he said, well, yeah,

591
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,639
I said, at a bench,
and there's some did it And I described

592
00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:49,039
this whole scene. It gives me
chills and he said, well, yeah,

593
00:49:49,159 --> 00:49:52,599
well I keep having the reaccoun dream. Mom and I had agreed there

594
00:49:52,639 --> 00:49:57,000
was a I was born down south. I was born in Eastbourne and there

595
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,400
was a bench in a park that
we used to go to, and there

596
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,880
was a similar type setup up north, so we always used to say we'll

597
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:07,719
meet at the bench. It was
just like our thing. And he'd been

598
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:13,119
having a complete skeptic he'd been having
these reoccurring dreams nightly. It was persistent,

599
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,639
it was persistent, it kept coming
to him, and I believe Mum

600
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:21,559
didn't want to startle me or freak
me out. She chose him as the

601
00:50:21,679 --> 00:50:25,239
vehicle to deliver me that message.
And as soon as he told me the

602
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:31,760
bench, I was like, she
did what she came from the other place

603
00:50:32,159 --> 00:50:37,079
to let me know it was okay. Chokes me a bit, and that

604
00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:39,480
that really affirmed for me, not
that it wasn't you know, already signed

605
00:50:39,559 --> 00:50:44,920
up, but it really affirmed to
me that she chose that way to communicate

606
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,760
with me. And you know,
there really is life after death, but

607
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:52,920
in another form, there's just somewhere
else they come back. That's just as

608
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:58,159
a recognized something that you recognize.
Yeah, when Hew, we do go

609
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,440
on, I don't know, we
become just a spot maybe with those orbs

610
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:05,119
that float about. You know,
we could be, we could be.

611
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,480
And you know, Bearrefitt to Gerald
talk to me about you know, the

612
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:13,360
fairy lights in Ireland and you know
we'd go trying to find them as kids,

613
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,800
and I always think, you know, are they are? Is that

614
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:24,159
consciousness manifesting in a way that we
can understand. Is that a soul from

615
00:51:24,199 --> 00:51:30,000
somewhere else that we understand light because
we need l like to survive in lights

616
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:36,800
around us. Is that their way
of manifesting? Is it a soul who

617
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,000
knows? Yeah, you do.
Hear a lot about like beings and things.

618
00:51:39,079 --> 00:51:44,440
So you probably know you've heard of
alien Bill Rook. No doubt Bill

619
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:49,480
Rook. No, he's always having
these light beings. I've seen the stories

620
00:51:49,519 --> 00:51:52,960
on photos where his hands light up
and everything, and a bit of a

621
00:51:53,039 --> 00:51:58,920
character. But he's apparently he's got
his book coming out soon. So it's

622
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,760
been coming out for about three years
I think. But we're still waiting for

623
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:05,239
it, but apparently it's on its
fine. Ye. There's a lot of

624
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,840
books out this year We've got Yeah, I'll tell you if you could see

625
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,559
my bookshelf for you, I'll get
so many books I'll never get I'll never

626
00:52:12,599 --> 00:52:15,679
get someone to read them book because
they're coming out faster and I can read

627
00:52:15,679 --> 00:52:19,800
them. But you know a book
I must recommend to you. It's by

628
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:27,360
a wonderful author called Cameron Dear Love
the Cosmic. I'll message you about it

629
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:35,480
something. What is it anyway,
Cameron Deale love great book and he his

630
00:52:36,559 --> 00:52:37,960
I read so many books, like
you know, I get sent a lot

631
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:44,639
of stuff these days. But his
book was totally phenomenal and it really describes

632
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:49,320
the current state of the phenomenon right
now. And if anyone you know really

633
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:54,199
wants to get a snapshot through it's
fictional, but great book. I'll messed

634
00:52:54,239 --> 00:53:00,400
you about that one. A lot
of these fictional books are supposedly fictional actually

635
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:05,079
based on true truss anyway, I
think nowadays with a lot of these sorts

636
00:53:05,079 --> 00:53:10,400
of books, and you know,
having the opportunity to interview Peter Lavender last

637
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:15,800
week and he you know, worked
with Tom DeLong and The Secret Machines books

638
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:22,639
which are fictional in quotes. You
know, it's one way to get around

639
00:53:22,039 --> 00:53:27,719
clearances, and it's one way to
go around stuff by calling it fictional.

640
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,119
So you know, I think there's
something to be said for books that are

641
00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:35,800
fictional but are based in some truth. Mm hmm. Well, when we

642
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,400
hear things about people that Bobb Blazar, I mean, have you got an

643
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:45,159
opinion about that? Or or maybe
not? Maybe not an opinion? What

644
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:50,719
a football? I don't know.
Well I like Bob too. I mean

645
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,480
I spent about twenty years believing everything
he said, and then all of a

646
00:53:54,519 --> 00:53:59,280
sudden things started coming out that he
wasn't telling the truth and everything, and

647
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,440
I started to kill Maybe this guy
isn't quite straight. But now I believe

648
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:07,400
that they were trying to muddy those
waters to make it look like he wasn't

649
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:13,639
telling the truth. You know,
I because you know story has been consistent,

650
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:19,880
he hasn't changed his story. But
I think, you know, so

651
00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:22,679
much was going on back in that
time. You know, you look at

652
00:54:22,679 --> 00:54:28,840
people like Rick Dotie, and people
were paid to disinform and to create division

653
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:35,360
and to mwoody the waters. Do
I think his entire claim is one hundred

654
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:40,840
percent legit. No, does he
believe what he saw? Yeah? Was

655
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:45,800
he purposefully shown things that could add
a bit of mud to the story.

656
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:52,840
Yeah. But you know, every
now and again on Twitter, I'll throw

657
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,440
a post up, do we believe
Barb? But it just goes crazy,

658
00:54:55,800 --> 00:55:01,000
you know, hundreds of hundreds of
comments because he here's a device of character

659
00:55:01,079 --> 00:55:08,840
in the community. But you know, I remain I'm cool with Bob.

660
00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:14,239
And you know, it's interesting with
the hearing that happened this year, you

661
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,920
know, with Dave brush and come
outs a favorite and you know, wearing

662
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:22,159
graves. You know, information's coming
out which kind of you know, some

663
00:55:22,199 --> 00:55:28,960
of it does support some of Bob's
claims. So who knows? Man?

664
00:55:29,039 --> 00:55:31,840
Who knows? Yes, that's what
I mean. There's about twenty years believe

665
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,880
me, and all of a sudden, I started sitting on the fence.

666
00:55:35,159 --> 00:55:37,840
Well I think I'm coming back off
that fence again now and I'm beginning to

667
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:42,880
believe a little bit. Yeah,
because he's never really been really disproved that

668
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,840
he's been lying, is it?
You know? And I think that would

669
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:50,079
be quite easy to do now you
can it's very easy for the media to

670
00:55:50,159 --> 00:55:53,079
make somebody's name Mud as you know, as they've done with so many people.

671
00:55:53,639 --> 00:55:59,320
And to be in the media,
you've got to be of a certain

672
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:06,639
faction anyway, because so what's gained
from it gained. He's not a multi

673
00:56:06,679 --> 00:56:10,079
millionaire, he doesn't live in in
a ridiculous mansion. He's not flying around

674
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:15,760
the world, excuse me, doing
UFO conferences charging fifteen twenty grand, which

675
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:20,199
he could do. He could do, and there are people maybe not to

676
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,039
that monetary amount, but you know, there are people in the community that

677
00:56:23,199 --> 00:56:27,000
do charge a lot of money,
which is their right to do. So

678
00:56:27,039 --> 00:56:30,679
if you wanted to go on the
circuit, he could easily be a cell

679
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,159
of pots of money. Yeah,
of course he would. When you'd go,

680
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,280
I'd go, I'll be there like
a blinking That's what I mean.

681
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,719
I think anyone in the apology would
actually go and see him, whether they

682
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:44,880
believed him or not, just to
see what got to say. One hundred

683
00:56:45,679 --> 00:56:47,679
and you know what, I believe
Barb for the most part, and I

684
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:53,039
think we shall see. I believe
what a very pivotal moment with disclosure right

685
00:56:53,079 --> 00:57:00,880
now in you know, as I'm
bringing my app ouse, it's really really

686
00:57:00,199 --> 00:57:04,880
pivotal Times, and the timement is
good. But you know, the British

687
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,840
government, where are they in the
conversation? You know, the Americans are

688
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:14,159
leading the charge. What an interesting
time we find ourselves when we talk about

689
00:57:14,159 --> 00:57:17,280
the British government. I mean,
there's a government behind that government anyway.

690
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:22,159
You know, these are just the
people in front of the puppies, aren't

691
00:57:22,159 --> 00:57:27,360
they. I think those people in
front they know as much as we Basically

692
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:32,239
you'll probably not listed in some ways. Did you read the great article that

693
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:37,199
came out in Liberation Times this week
by my friend Well he didn't write it,

694
00:57:37,239 --> 00:57:40,760
but Chris Sharp, the editor of
Liberation Times, put a story out.

695
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:51,360
It was an anonymous writer. Please, yeah, and it really you

696
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,079
know, I think it was titled
where I'm paraphrasing, but where where?

697
00:57:54,159 --> 00:57:59,119
Where's the UK government's voice in all
of this. It's a very lengthy article,

698
00:57:59,559 --> 00:58:04,320
but it really highlights what's going on. And you know, given the

699
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,440
work that I do with my company, you know, I'm aware of some

700
00:58:07,559 --> 00:58:14,320
rumbles and grumbles. But yeah,
interesting times. M hmmm. Because I

701
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,400
still like to really techn the mickey
out of all these subjects whenever it goes

702
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:21,639
on the TV or whatever. They
still was it's just like a queen and

703
00:58:21,679 --> 00:58:25,039
a beyond the handle. Yes,
that's right, you've only got to mention

704
00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:30,960
flying sources and upos and aliens and
the little green men. But that's that's

705
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:36,079
by purposeful design. And one of
the reasons why I got involved with on

706
00:58:36,239 --> 00:58:42,159
Hidden or on Hidden and n h
Eyes in the middle of It Hidden it

707
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,599
was that you know, people will
be dealing with ontological shark. There are

708
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:53,079
there are hundreds of thousands of experiences
out there with no support services. There's

709
00:58:53,159 --> 00:58:58,440
no services to help them through what
their experiences are, and we're not having

710
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:02,840
the right come. We want to
have better conversations and better services for experiences

711
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:09,039
because the you know, the government
of the Free World in America have brought

712
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:15,880
legislation hearings. This is real.
This is not like little green men and

713
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,880
sources. Ha ha ha. This
is a real thing. Some of the

714
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:24,159
greatest minds are now working on this. The Soul Foundation of doctor Gary Nolan

715
00:59:24,159 --> 00:59:28,760
and Pizza Skayfish. They had their
event which you know, member of my

716
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:35,719
company actually attended, and you know
there's institutions and bright minds and scientists have

717
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:43,159
below. This is very real.
So where's the UK government's voice and in

718
00:59:43,199 --> 00:59:46,559
the article Chris Sharp put out I
think is really illuminating and definite must read.

719
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:50,760
I'll definitely send you the link after
the show. Yeah, yeah,

720
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:55,199
definitely will be interested in. But
yeah, I mean to be honest that

721
00:59:55,239 --> 00:59:59,360
there's been so many serious reports that
have been coming out of the last year

722
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,400
or so, of a couple of
years, even going back five years.

723
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:07,760
All the UFO files they released,
I don't think. I really still don't

724
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,920
believe they've released them all, but
they say they have, because all of

725
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:15,280
a sudden they say, we've got
some more we found. But there's a

726
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:19,679
lot of gyms within those files if
you if you've got the time to sort

727
01:00:19,719 --> 01:00:22,480
through them all. I've gone through
for quite quite a few of my self,

728
01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:28,840
and I think it's to some extent
they've actually already told you that the

729
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,559
truth is out there. They've already
told you you know so. But the

730
01:00:32,599 --> 01:00:37,800
thing is he's finding it because I
mean, it's only got to be one

731
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:42,199
or two little articles within those files, and the truth is there, you

732
01:00:42,239 --> 01:00:46,239
know, one hundred and you know, I say this all the time.

733
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:52,119
Disclosures already happened. It's already happened. We were just part of the acclamation

734
01:00:52,280 --> 01:01:00,840
process for the wider world to understand
the proposition if we are not alone.

735
01:01:00,119 --> 01:01:05,559
Yeah, but they will still joke
about it on TV. But they will

736
01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:09,039
still joke about it. I recently
did a brand campaign in the States with

737
01:01:09,159 --> 01:01:15,440
a company called Moonpi and they're kind
of like UK like kind of a little

738
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:22,239
bit like Wagon Wheels, and they
did a whole multimillion pound campaign centered around

739
01:01:22,039 --> 01:01:28,760
selling their products to aliens that might
walk amongst doesn't. I took a little

740
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:32,639
bit of heat from the community for
doing that brand campaign in America, But

741
01:01:32,679 --> 01:01:40,199
the reason I did that campaign was
we have to start normalizing a conversation about

742
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:45,280
the others. And the only way
we're going to create normal you know,

743
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:50,000
a sense of normality or a place
to have, you know, new conversations

744
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:54,679
about it is through everyday stuff.
And you know, the reaction for the

745
01:01:54,679 --> 01:01:58,559
community in some ways was, oh, my god, that's great. You're

746
01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:01,480
creating dialogue in new place, in
new spaces, which is needed. And

747
01:02:01,519 --> 01:02:05,719
I took a little bit of heat
that, oh, you know, why

748
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,599
are you doing these things? But
I just think, you know, as

749
01:02:08,599 --> 01:02:15,440
a former publicist in PR person,
the stigma, the giggles, the ridicule,

750
01:02:16,119 --> 01:02:21,679
the nonsense. We don't. We
shouldn't have to tolerate it anymore.

751
01:02:22,039 --> 01:02:30,760
This is very rare somethink being whatever
is visiting or coexisting with us. There's

752
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:37,360
people from decades talking about their experiences
and where all the missing people. You

753
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:42,400
know what happens, people get abducted. You know, we now have to

754
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:46,320
start the giggles and start the science
and start conversation. And I do get

755
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:51,360
right on my high horse about the
stigma. And that's why you know,

756
01:02:51,679 --> 01:02:54,719
I'd like to do shows like this. I'm a very normal girl. I'm

757
01:02:54,719 --> 01:02:58,679
a mom. I've got a full
time job, I've got a mortgage.

758
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:02,639
I go to work every day,
paying the taxes. I'm an ordinary person

759
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:07,159
that gets to deal with the extra
ordinary. Those of us within the community

760
01:03:07,199 --> 01:03:12,199
that have a voice in a platform. We need to use that to onboard

761
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:16,079
people and maybe some of that giggle, giggle, flying sources green men,

762
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:21,239
it will start to reduce and more
people will come forward. Well in natural

763
01:03:21,239 --> 01:03:23,719
effects, I think we outnumber them
anyway, in quite a big way.

764
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:28,559
You know, with all these all
these different platforms we've got there so such

765
01:03:28,599 --> 01:03:31,360
shows such as yours and this and
just more of that are out there is

766
01:03:31,519 --> 01:03:36,119
you know, when you see you've
got a few TV shows take the peer

767
01:03:36,159 --> 01:03:39,800
out of it. I think we
really do it number slowly. I feel

768
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:45,880
that the tide is turning, and
I came out, for want of a

769
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:51,480
better phrase, in my career,
it's openly, you know. On my

770
01:03:51,559 --> 01:03:54,840
LinkedIn my professional profile, I am
you know, I talk about the phenomena.

771
01:03:55,119 --> 01:03:59,360
I do work globally about it.
You know. I've got a company

772
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:03,440
that investigates eight and I was really
frightened to come forward at first in the

773
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:09,760
professional environment, but then I thought, I can't sit and tell people to

774
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:13,639
come forward and step out the shadows, and I'm not prepared to do it

775
01:04:13,679 --> 01:04:18,440
myself. And it's really interesting because
I thought in the right place, people

776
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:23,599
will be like, oh God,
But actually people come to me and go,

777
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:28,719
we've seen this on the telly,
what does that mean? And I

778
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:33,400
love those conversations because something very real
is happening. Let's talk about it and

779
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,920
the giggling might stop. Yeah.
I think it's really good with it when

780
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:40,400
people come to you like that,
because, like you say, they are

781
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:44,760
looking at you seriously. You know. Anyway, Holly, I think it's

782
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:48,239
been fantastic talking to you. Well, let's get some links. So your

783
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:53,400
your podcast is called Into the Weird. Yeah, Into the Weird, w

784
01:04:53,719 --> 01:04:59,079
y R D E D and have
you got e more? I've got websites

785
01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:05,079
and things or yeah. So my
main focus at the moment, sneeze,

786
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:11,519
No, not so. My main
focus at the moment is Project Nanu,

787
01:05:11,639 --> 01:05:16,880
which is a new app available on
both Android and Apple that will be coming

788
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:20,920
out later on this year. So
that's Project Nanu. You can search us

789
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:30,519
through Google find our website, Malcolm
min Date. So Project Nanu a part

790
01:05:30,519 --> 01:05:35,599
of my company called Investigate Your Known, the the app Shooter Launch. We've

791
01:05:35,639 --> 01:05:41,840
got a global team and we're some
quite well known people from the community involved,

792
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:45,440
which is fabulous. So Project Nanny
was my my current focus. Also,

793
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:51,719
I am prolific Twitter, exa whatever
you call it. Most of my

794
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:58,039
live shows or anything I'm doing can
be found through through my my my my

795
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:05,039
platform there which is at that you
ap Girl, that's you a pea Girl.

796
01:06:06,159 --> 01:06:13,119
I'm constantly having dialogue and conversations.
And equally, my other work takes

797
01:06:13,159 --> 01:06:17,360
me to Unhidden dot org as I've
spoken about throughout this show and Hidden,

798
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:23,519
so they're they're my sort of three
places. Project Nanu that you ap girl

799
01:06:23,639 --> 01:06:27,639
on x formerly Twitter and on Hidden
Org. Yeah, well, if you

800
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,079
any links that you can send me
that you might not have mentioned also because

801
01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:33,559
what I'll do. I've got the
Parable Dimensions page on Facebook, oh fact,

802
01:06:33,719 --> 01:06:36,559
and I'll put all those links on
there, so distances can go check

803
01:06:36,599 --> 01:06:40,719
page and find you there. But
they can find you on Facebook also,

804
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:45,599
can't they. Yeah, it's lucky. I know, I'm my my friend

805
01:06:45,639 --> 01:06:49,480
requests has gone been on as recently. I'm fielding all kinds. But I

806
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:54,840
do have a community on Facebook ord
Into the Weird and you know we've got

807
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:58,360
a couple of thousand members now,
Yeah, a lot of people sharing links

808
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,679
and podcasts and books and it's just
a safe space for people to talk about

809
01:07:01,719 --> 01:07:04,679
the phenomena. Yeah, will put
a link to that as well on there

810
01:07:04,719 --> 01:07:10,000
because hopefully you get you get your
small members, but if you can do

811
01:07:10,079 --> 01:07:15,199
with them, that is but fantastic
talking to you now. As we said

812
01:07:15,199 --> 01:07:17,719
before, this will be going out
on the Monday, so you've already done

813
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:21,320
the event. So but I hope
it all goes well for you. It

814
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will be marvelous. I know I've
done a fabulous job. I know you

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have as well. I can't talk
for England and I'm just so grateful for

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01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:35,800
the team awakening. And yeah to
Stella, I'm sorry I couldn't come.

817
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You know. I was offered,
actually offered a ticket box, I said,

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I said, I still can't come
this weekend. I'm afraid it's just

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just tough. Their big, big
conference that August one will be the next

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01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:51,320
big one coming out for them.
So I'm sure I'll catch up with you

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in pass and if you can,
I'm hoping I can get to that one.

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01:07:55,119 --> 01:07:58,719
Yeah, we don't even know.
We don't even know who the speakers

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are yet. I don't think unless
you do, you might have to tell

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01:08:02,159 --> 01:08:09,800
me. I think I'm I think
Steve mentioned something. Maybe something might get

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01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:13,400
announced at the conference. Okay,
if you're listening to this right now,

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you've already heard it. Yeah,
it's all getting very confused. I'll touch

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01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,760
you when I know the lies.
Okay, it's all getting very confusing.

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I'll let you go. Thank you
very much for coming on. It's been

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great talking to you, and I
will get to see you again. I

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01:08:28,079 --> 01:08:31,319
hope you know you are not not
not too distant future, and you sent

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01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:35,479
me take care of yourself. No, thanks for coming on great pleasure.

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01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:41,760
Thanks Holly, thank you so much. Okay, cheers, thank you Holly,

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01:08:42,079 --> 01:08:45,520
excellent. I do hope to get
to see you again sometime. Okay.

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My next show is another extra show
and that's on the twenty sixth of

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February, and it's a lady named
Karen Free. Now Karen is a co

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01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:58,960
owner and organizer of the Festival of
the Unexplained that we have here in the

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01:08:59,039 --> 01:09:02,359
UK. You may have already heard
shows that I did with Nicky and Rachel

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01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:05,560
Or. Now Karen is on the
show. Now, Karen's been on the

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show before. She was on a
dever a year ago, so I'm pleased

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01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:13,079
to be welcome in her back onto
the show. So that'd be Monday,

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01:09:13,159 --> 01:09:16,840
the twenty sixth of February. A's
an extra show with Karen Frey. Of

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01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:19,439
course, as always, if you'd
like to get in touch with me in

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01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:25,279
between now and then, my email
address is David Young two QN at Yahoo

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01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:30,199
dot co dot UK. That's David
Young two QN at your hoo dot co

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01:09:30,359 --> 01:09:34,600
dot UK. So until the next
time, that's Monday February twenty six with

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01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:40,279
Karen Frey. Take care of everybody
and I'll speak to you then. David

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01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:45,600
Young signing out bye bye. Unidentified
flying objects commonly known as flying sassas,

848
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:53,600
do exist. Some kind of flying
objects have been photographed in the sky.

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01:09:55,239 --> 01:10:00,279
If they cannot be identified as objects
known to man one time, If they

850
01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:06,079
are not man made, who may. If they are not from this planet,

851
01:10:08,359 --> 01:10:14,119
where are they from? Ladies and
chentlemen. I cannot too strongly stress

852
01:10:14,159 --> 01:10:18,520
the necessity for conness. Do not
allow yourselves to be emotionally disturbed by those

853
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:25,119
messages. Parorable Dimensions is as bright
and powerful as our celestial star us up

854
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:29,640
and although it's expending thousands of pounds
of energy every minute of the day,

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01:10:30,039 --> 01:11:33,920
have no fear. There's plenty left. Paranormal Dimensions is fortnightly on Mondays on

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01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,239
the Paranormal UK Radio Network.