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This episode may contain content of a
graphic nature, including descriptions of physical and

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sexual violence against adults, children,
and animals. Listener discretion is advised.

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Hi everyone, I'm Talia and I'm
Tanya, and together we are Crimes and

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Consequences, a true crime podcast.
Hi Tania, Hi Talia. Welcome back

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everybody to this week's episode of Crimes
in Consequences. I hope everybody is doing

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amazing. Are you doing amazing?
No? Absolutely not. I hope everybody

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else is, man, I hope
everybody else is. That takes place in

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twenty and twelve, and there's a
woman. Her name is Carrie Farber.

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She's a single mother from Counsel Bluffs, Iowa, and she had this chance

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encounter with Dave Krupa in Omaha,
Nebraska. The two quickly hit it off,

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and it was clear that the relationship
wasn't going to be just a flame.

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Sparks were flying nice, but just
two weeks into dating, something inside

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Carrie Fiber changed forever. She was
no longer the woman who lit up the

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room, and she'd become obsessed with
Dave after two weeks. What That's why

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I said, this wasn't going to
just be a flame. Yeah, no

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kidding, damn he was magic.
This would be a mystery that would prevail

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for years, and when the truth
was finally exposed, it was really shocking.

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This is a story of Carrie Fiber, Dave Krupa, and Liz Golier.

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Do you know what I think?
I listened to a date line Yeah,

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dateline dateline podcast about this case.
Okay, well it's a wild one.

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Everybody needs a buckle off. But
twenty twelve, Carrie Fiber, who

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was thirty seven years old, was
living this happy and stable life in Council

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Bluffs, Iowa. Her son and
she'd given birth to him in her late

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twenties. He was flourishing in school
and she couldn't wait to see like the

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life that he made for himself.
She was a good mom and she loved

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him and he look I said,
he was doing well. But as we

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know, things aren't always sunshine,
rainbows and ponies. Ain't that the truth?

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Shortly after giving birth to her son, she was diagnosed with depression and

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bipolar disorder. Slowly, with the
help of medication and a lot of therapy,

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Carrie was able to get her condition
under control, and she ended up

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getting a job working as a computer
programmer. Carrie's office was your Omaha,

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Nebraska, and it was only about
four and a half mile drive across state

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lines. One day in autumn of
two and twelve, Carrie took her car

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in for service and repair at a
garage right by her office. Carry left

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her car with the mechanics in the
morning and then she had it off to

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work. When she returned that afternoon, she met with one of the mechanics

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that was working on her car.
And this is Dave Krupa. Oh,

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that's how they met. That's how
they met. As the two looked at

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each other, something inside of them, just like I said, sparks started

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flying. Dave told ABC. Quote, when we looked at each other,

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there was this little spark. She's
showing me something inside the vehicle, and

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we're standing there and we're really close, and there were just some sort of

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tension. Ooh end quote. But
I think it was a good tension.

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Yeah, sexual sexual tension. Dave
found himself conflicted. He was really attracted

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Carrie and appeared that she reciprocated his
feelings. But there was one issue.

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Dave knew it was wrong to flirt
with a customer and it would undoubtedly be

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out of bounds for him to ask
for her number. Now we're attorneys,

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so yes, and we do divorces. That's inappropriate, yes, but a

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mechanic, Yeah, is it really
inappropriate? Don't I don't feel like it

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would be. No, I don't
think it would be, but I guess

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he did. There was a subtraction
between the two, but he felt powerless

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to ask her out. He wanted
to remain professional, and he hoped that

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some sort of divine intervention would make
their past cross again and again. I

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mean I had a hot mechanic.
I know, I wouldn't feel like I

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was crossing any boundaries thing all right? Like, hey, can I get

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your number? Right? In early
twenty and twelve, Dave had recently gotten

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out of a long term relationship the
woman named Amy Flora. The two head

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two children together, and from reports, it appeared that they maintained a civil

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relationship and they managed to co parent
really well without like dragging their children into

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their relationship wos. By all accounts, Dave was a good father, He

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was a good friend, and everyone
who met him had nothing but nice things

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to say about him. It is
nice. After breaking it off with the

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mother of his children, Dave gave
himself some time alone. He wanted to

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focus on himself before doing what most
singles do and going like dating apps or

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rebound relationships. He really just wanted
to take some time off. He ended

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up after a while going on a
dating app. He filled out his profile,

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he added his picture, and he
dived into the ce of singles.

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After swiping left and right, he
matched with this woman named Shana Elizabeth Golier

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who went by Liz. The two
instantly clicked. Liz was also a single

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mother of two kids, and they
could relate to all their co parenting issues

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and trying to date in the modern
age with dating apps and stuff. From

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the start, though, Dave made
it very clear that he wasn't looking for

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another serious relationship and was just really
looking more for a casual companion to hang

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out with. Dave was new to
this whole bachelor lifestyle and he just didn't

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want to jump back in it right
right, like he's working on himself and

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I mean, I kind of get
it. This seemed to be okay with

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this. The two set up a
first date and they were both instantly attracted

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to each other. For the next
few months, the two continue to hook

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up at each other's apartments and spend
some time together. So I guess when

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he says casual, like a casual
companionship include the include sex. Yes,

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he's not looking for someone to go
hiking with him? Yeah, and like

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it's not a movie companion it's everything
about a commitment. Apparently exactly. So

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they hooked up at each other's apartments, they spent some time together, but

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Liz really wanted more. She wanted
to be Dave's girlfriend, something that just

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made him uncomfortable, and she actually
talked to him about like, hey,

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can we be exclusive and he basically
said no, it didn't feel right to

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him, but they continued to hook
up. Ten months later, in mid

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two thousand and twelve, that's when
Dave met Carrie Barber and that's when everything

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changed. So, even though they
were instantly attracted, Dave again didn't ask

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her out. But remember he hoped
that fate would intervene, and it did.

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He was going through one of his
dating apps. Oh there she was,

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and there she was. Oh wow, to be right. Her profile

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detailed that she worked as a computer
programmer Nebraska, but lived with her son

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in Council Bluff, Saiwa and Dave's
heart just start beating out of his chest.

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Divine intervention had brought them together,
and he immediately sent a message to

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carry. Minutes later, his phone
ring. He took a deep breath,

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covered his eyes slightly, and he
picked up the phone to read the message.

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As he's peeling his fingers away from
his eyes. He got really excited.

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Carrie had said yes to going on
a date with him, so obviously

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he gave Carrie his phone number and
everything was slowly coming together, but just

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weeks later everything would fall apart.
They set up the date and they went

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out, and they ended up going
back to Dave's apartment in Omaha. They're

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hanging out there and then there's a
knock at the door. Oh shit.

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Dave wasn't expecting anybody, especially at
this hour. When he opened the door,

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it was Liz. She arrived unannounced
during Dave and Carrie's first date.

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Oh, how awkward to collect things
that she left behind at Dave's apartment during

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their very brief fleeing. Carrie awkwardly
introduced herself and watched as Liz collected her

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things. Okay, that's so fucking
awkward. The head is so uncomfortable.

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Yeah, the entire encounter was bizarre
and awkward for everybody. I mean,

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that's just not the way you want
your first date to go. But luckily

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this encounter didn't put Carrie off today, and the two continued to text and

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call each other when they weren't together. Several more dates followed, and then

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in November of twenty twelve, Carrie
found herself putting in extra long hours at

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the office because she this major project
that she was working on. Now,

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the two had spent so much time
together that they began to reconsider their status

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of the relationship. Really, Like
Dave, Carrie had gone in just expecting

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a fleeing and she didn't want anything
serious. But his kind and carrie nature

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made her change her mind, and
Dave also started thinking about his future with

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Carrie. He still wanted to take
things slow, but he was considering having

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a future with Carrie. In November, Dave invited Carrie to State's department for

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the week while she finished that project
at work. And that's a week.

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Yeah. Dave's apartment was a lot
closer to her office and it would eliminate

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the long commute that she would have
and take a lot of the added stress

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off of this like twelve to thirteen
hour day work schedule she had because of

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this project. She arranged childcare for
her son Max, so Max ended up

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being with her mother, and Carrie
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her life with Dave at his place. Yeah, I mean, she was

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incredibly close to her son, but
she felt confident because her mom's caring for

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him. On November twelfth, Carrie
finished up at work and said good night

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to her colleagues, and then she
headed to Dave's apartment, where the two

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shared a meal together and they watched
some TV before going to bed. Carrie

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felt this sense of warmth and security
in the presence of day, and as

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the days went on, their connection
grew even stronger. One night, Carrie

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and Dave jumped into bed it was
nighttime, and they set their alarms for

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the following day. When Carrie's alarm
went off, she jumped out of bed,

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got ready for work, and kissed
Dave goodbye. Neither knew that that

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would be the last time they would
ever see each other. But before I

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tell you more, we're going to
take a quick break as far as Dave

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was concerned. November thirteenth, which
just another day, Carrie headed to the

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office early to get a head start
on this project, and he himself he

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was just getting ready for another day
working at the shop. He put on

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his overalls and he made the short
drive to the garage where he worked.

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The first half of day's work day
was unremarkable, and then his phone buzzed.

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It was a text from Carrie.
Dave was expecting Carrie to send,

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you know, lighthearted text about her
day or something, you know, hey,

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what's up kind of a thing,
but it was something much more sinister.

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In the text, Carrie told Dave
that she'd been thinking while she was

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staying with him, and that she
wanted to move in with him. This

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freaked him out. He made it
clear at the start of the relationship that

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he wasn't looking for anything serious,
although he was starting to consider it and

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leave. Carrie had felt that same
way, So even though they started becoming

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more serious, this was just a
shock, like, oh, you want

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to move in? Yeah? A
little too fast? Right? Why is

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this all of a sudden? He
wondered whether Carrie had misinterpreted his kindness,

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and he sent a text to gently
let her down. Then just a few

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minutes later, he got another text
from Carrie in which she said, quote,

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fine, I don't ever want to
see you again, go away.

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I'm dating somebody else and I hate
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weird thing to say. Dave was
confused, right, yeah, I confused

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right, concerned, like what,
how'll just happen? She'd always been very

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calm and level headed, and she
seemed happy with the status of the relationship.

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Dave ended up putting the text just
in the back of his mind,

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hoping that Carrie would calm down and
maybe lead her apologize for her outburst,

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but that didn't happen. Dave wasn't
the only one to receive a bizarre text

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from Carrie that day. Carrie's mother, her name was Nancy Rainey, received

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a text from Carry too, and
she knew that Carrie was staying at Dave's

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apartment for the week. In that
text, Carrie addressed her mother, Nancy,

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and her son Max, telling them
that she had quit her job and

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moved to Kansas. She asked her
mom to take care of Max while she

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arranged to collect him after she gets
her life going and bring him to Kansas.

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Nancy immediately send something was off and
she kept trying to call Carrie over

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and over again. Knowing Carrie's history
of bipolar disorder. Her mother was afraid

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maybe she got to take her medicine, maybe she was having some sort of

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manic episode. Nancy reached out to
the police, but they didn't do much

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because here is an adult. She
wants to move to Kansas, Kansas,

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Kansas. She wants squitter job and
moved to Kansas. She Nancy continued to

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text and call Carrie, but would
never get any responses, at least not

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from the phone calls. There were
very sparse messages here and there, and

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none of them sounded like something that
Carrie would write. From late twenty twelve

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to mid twenty thirteen, Carrie missed
two significant events. First it was her

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half brother's wedding and second her father's
funeral. So we're talking about months of

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her just being gone. When Carrie
failed to attend her father's funeral, her

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family knew that her life was something
something is really wrong. And again the

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police said basically they were powerless because
she's free to disappear. Huh. To

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me, this is just kind of
shocking, because, all right, an

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adult can disappear if they want.
But she had a son, Max Yea,

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and she was a devoted mom.
So if you think the police might

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take this a little bit more seriously, especially considering she was last known to

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be at some guy's apartment and then
just not paying her bills, not seeing

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her son, not seeing her mom, not going to her dad's funeral.

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I know it seems suspicious. Yeah, it's one way describe it. After

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Carrie disappeared and moved to Kansas,
Dave and his ex girlfriend Liz Memberless Yeah,

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found themselves in the center of basically
a harassment campaign. Carrie would send

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hundreds of texts daily to Dave and
Liz, threatening their lives damn. Some

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of the text read quote, I
hate you, You've ruined my life.

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You're a terrible person. Another one
said I will do what I can and

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make you suffer, and then there
was another one that said we belonged to

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gather Dave. It wasn't just texts
that Carry sent either. She somehow got

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a hold of Dave and Liz's email
addresses and began to fill their inboxes with

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threats and taunts. She was referring
to Liz as a whore, stating that

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Dave could do much better. Than
her. This harassment brought Dave and Liz

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closer to each other, and once
again in twenty thirteen, they began seeing

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each other. I mean they took
comfort in each other as both could understand

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yeah, right going through they're they're
victimized and by the same person. The

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two try to go to the police, but as Carrie had never physically harmed

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them, there was little the police
could do. At this point, everyone

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assumed that Carrie was offer meads and
was on some rampage. One day,

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Liz called Dave in a flood of
tears. She told Dave that someone had

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quote poor from Dave inside her garage
with spray paint. What Nancy also started

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receiving malicious texts from her daughter.
Those texts said that Nancy was never a

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good mother and that she was too
controlling. According to ABC, Nancy noticed

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something strange about these texts. The
weird thing wasn't that her own daughter was

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cursing her out, but these texts
were filled with punctuation and grammatical errors.

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Carrie was well educated woman, and
she was really good at her job,

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and Nancy told ABC that Carrie quote
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Thanksgiving came around and there was one
empty seat at Nancy's table. Nancy's

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concerned by now, like it was
just over the top. Carrie did have

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that mental illness and had issues with
not taking her medicine before and stuff,

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but I mean, it's at the
point now, it's ridiculous. The family

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eighth their Thanksgiving meal and they prayed
that Carrie would return soon. Then Nancy

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and Max celebrated Christmas alone. The
only present that Max wanted that year was

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for his mom to come home.
Oh, that's so sad. Carrie continued

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to send bizarre tax to Max.
Really, I guess Max had a phone

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and Nancy, but neither of them
could get a coherent answer from her.

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When they would respond to the tax, they would plead with her come home.

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The cries fell on deaf ears.
Just because it was a holiday season

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didn't mean that Liz and Dave had
any reprieve from Carrie's harassment either. The

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two spent November and December looking over
their shoulders, fearing Carrie would turn up

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at any time. Because we remember
they're getting threats. Christmas lost its spark

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for Dave and Liz. To them, it was like just another day of

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harassment. Then the new year rang
out and there was still no sign of

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Nancy had made so many appeals to
the police, but according to them,

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again, what can we do?
As glasses cleaned and people cheered, Dave

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and Liz hoped that the new year
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January, the harassment towards Dave and
Liz it escalated and it became physical.

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Dave recalled to ABC quote on one
specific occasion, I was sitting in my

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lazy boy with my feet up watching
TV, was trying to relax. It's

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nighttime, and I get a text
saying, quote, I see you.

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You're sitting in your chair with your
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Oh that's creepy. Carrie had now
graduated to stalking Dave and Liz and

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was even maybe camping outside of his
home peeping on him. Again. Omaha,

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police, what can we do?
You haven't been harmed physically. Dave

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and Liz lived in fear, wondering
what Carrie would do next. After that

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spying incident, Dave arrived home to
the apartment complex he lived in, and

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as he pulled his car into his
spot, he froze just across the road

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he saw Carrie's Ford Explorer. Oh
shit, he knew that she was watching

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him, and he called the police
and he demanded, Okay, you have

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to do something. Officers were sent
out to the car and they dusted it

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for fingerprints. The car was immaculate
aside from one fingerprint, and it would

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be later determined that fingerprint didn't belong
to Carrie, So who to belong to?

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While David Liz were at the receiving
end of this barrage of hate,

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Nancy and Max were desperately trying to
establish contact with Carrie. Max even sent

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a message to his mother on Facebook
and asked her to answer three questions to

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prove that she was really in charge
of her profile because Carrie was active on

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Facebook. He asked her what his
middle name was, what their first dog's

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name was, and his best friend's
name stuff only she would know. Yeah,

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but Carrie didn't reply to Max,
and that's when Nancy began to suspect

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that it wasn't Carried that had been
messaging them on Facebook and texting them and

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all those things. Liz and Dave
continued to get her asked whenever the two

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hung out at Dave's apartment. Their
phones would blow up with texting emails from

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Carry. One time, when Dave
was at his apartment without Liz, Carrie

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sent a photo of a woman tied
up in the boot of a car,

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implying that it was Liz. It
wasn't Liz. He later found out,

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and she was fine. Carrie then
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Oh no, this is crazy,
and yeah, they were terrified. Things

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were slowly coming to a crescendo.
On May eighteenth of twenty thirteen, Carrie

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posted a bizarre rant on her Facebook
page. It read quote, I have

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answered enough questions to prove myself to
everyone. I'm done. You can't either

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believe I'm your daughter, mother,
or sister and friend that you have known

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your whole life, or you can't
just leave me alone. I've proved myself

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over and over and I'm done.
I left on my own free will,

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and I'm sick of everyone giving me
a hard time for doing what I needed

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to do. I'm not missing I
just don't want to come home right now.

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I'm a grown woman and that was
spelled wrong. And if I feel

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like leaving home, I have the
right. I asked my son Max to

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come with me, but he didn't
want to. So when I'm ready to

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come back home, I will.
I'm sorry for hurting everyone and just up

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and leaving. I know I've upset
some of you, but I need to

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do this for me. Sorry,
and I hope some day you can forgive

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me. I love you all very
much, but I need time to sort

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things out. Well, that's a
weird thing to post on Facebook on August

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seventeenth, So not some times gone
by. It's been like over a year

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since she's been gone. It hasn't
been quite a year. A year.

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Yeah, So I was telling you
about multiple texts that she'd been sending in

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messages through the months, and those
were the texts that I just described in

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messages. It's on August seventeenth of
twenty thirteen. Liz awoke to the faint

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smell of smoke in her home.
Opening her eyes, she discovered that there

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was a fire raging through her house. Her children were there, remember she

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had two children. Luckily, her
and her children were able to escape,

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but Liz's two dogs, her cat, and her snake died in the fire.

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The fire department was called immediately they
arrived at the scene. The blaze

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was extinguished, and Liz called Dave
in a panic, telling them what happened.

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Minutes later, Dave received an email
from Carrie that read, quote,

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I'm not lying. I sat that
nasty horse house on fire. The horror

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and her kids die in it.
I quote damn. Liz was understandably shaken

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by the incident, as was Dave. If Carrie could set Liz's house on

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fire, what's the next thing she's
going to do? Fearing for his life,

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Dave moved. He ended up moving
to Counsel Bluffs, Iowa, hoping

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that the move would get Carry off
his trail, but he was wrong.

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The harassment continued, and she continued
to stop Dave, texting him what he

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was wearing and what he was doing
at the time. The relationship between Dave

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and Liz that slowly broke down.
And what's interesting is as the relationship between

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Dave and Liz faded, the harassment
began to peter out too. Really,

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that's when Dave started thinking about things
like, hmm, this is weird.

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Carry's not harassing me now that Liz
is out of my life. He started

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looking at everything from a new angle, and he wasn't the only one,

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Ryan Avis and Jim Dody, and
they were from Pottawa, Tommy County Sheriff's

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Office. Sure, okay, in
Council Bluffs, Iowa. They've been assigned

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to dive into this disappearance of Carrie
in April twenty fifteen, so finally the

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police are actually taking it seriously.
Interestingly, Ryan decided to investigate gate the

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case as if Carrie had been murdered
really before. They always thought she was

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alive, but he looked at this
angle and it led him down a really

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wild road. He told Oxygen,
quote, there are things that would lead

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us to both conclusions. You know, she's still active, sending text messages

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and sending pictures too, so maybe
she's alive. But she's also missed so

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many significant events and hadn't been physically
seen by anybody in so long. Time

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goes on, and the investigators are
still trying to figure out the mystery behind

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Carrie's disappearance, and by this time
it's been years. According to Ryan Avis,

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their big break came in late two
fifteen when Liz arrived at the Sheriff's

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office to file another complaint of harassment. As Liz walked through the details of

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what happened. Ryan's interest was piqued
when Liz announced that the harassing messages had

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becoming from someone else other than Carrie. She's now being harassed by someone else.

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Really, this time she was receiving
harassing messages from Amy Flora, the

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mother of Dave's children. Woh what
Liz believed that Amy had been the one

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all along masquerading is carried Oh shit? What spoiler alert? Holy shit,

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this just took a weird ass turn. Might now and some of them now

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makes some sense, but we still
don't know how happen to carry. Yeah.

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It was also around this time that
Dave discovered one of his guns,

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which he had hidden in a safe
place in his bedroom, was missing.

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So we're talking a couple of years. Very few people knew about this gun

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and where he kept it, and
he was pretty terrified. Just one day

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after Liz went to the Sheriff's office
to report Amy Flora for harassment and stalking,

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the Sheriff's received a panicked nine call
from Liz. During the call,

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she told dispatchers that she'd been walking
in Big Lake Park in Council Bluffs when

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a woman approached her. Liz later
identified the woman as Amy Flora, and

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according to Liz, Amy pulled out
a gun and shot her in the leg.

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What she was shot in the leg? Shit? The Sheriff's office arrived

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at the scene and they called an
ambulance. Liz wasn't seriously injured, and

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the Sheriff's office, Okay, now
they're all over Amy. They're looking for

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Amy. They get her and they
bring her to the station. But it

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became very obvious to them after talking
to her she wasn't involved. She had

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an alibi that was solid backed up
by a lot of witnesses for the evening

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that the shooting took place. So
if it wasn't Amy, who wasn't was

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it? What the fuck? Liz's
story slowly began to unravel in front of

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investigators, and yeah, she's a
crazy pitch, let's just say. In

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mid two thousand and fifteen, investigators
ramped up their investigation and Carries disappearance,

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and they ended up searching her abandoned
car more thoroughly. A forensics examination of

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the car revealed a blood stain that
had been hidden under the fabric of the

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passenger seat. After confirming that that
blood was human, a sample was attained

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and a tested for DNA and they
were shocked when they found out that it

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was Carrie's blood. Oh shit.
A mint container also found in the car

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that bore one single fingerprint, And
remember I told you about that fingerprint yea,

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When they tested it it belonged to
Liz. Really, so why was

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Liz and Carrie's car? Why didn't
Lize shoot herself in the leg Let's just

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be honest with each other here,
because she's cuckoo. Cuckoo. When Liz

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had recovered from the attack, investigators
brought her in and they began forensically examine

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her phone and her tablet. They
got you warrants for it. It was

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quickly established that Liz shot herself in
an attempt to frame Amy, like that's

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so wild. But what they would
soon uncover just sent their blood boiling.

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On Lize's tablet, a digital forensic
expert found a deleted photo of Carrie's corpse.

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No, yes, oh no,
she kept a photo of the fuck.

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That's so disgusting. What the hell? There are also up to twenty

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or thirty fake email addresses, and
they were made to look like they're carries.

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Oh man, crazy bit Lizz's phone
also contained an app that allowed her

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to send fake messages from Carrie's number. Do you remember that they had that

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before? Oh yeah, so she
of course sent all these fake messages from

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Carrie's number to herself and Dave.
According to ABC quote, the app allowed

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or to schedule future messages so that
we like when she was with Yes,

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and she got messages. Yes,
that is crazy. Isn't that insane?

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Yes? That takes a lot of
fucking planning. So she could be sitting

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on the couch next to Dave and
then be like, oh look I just

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got this message, or he's just
getting one too. Yeah, she couldn't

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have sent it, And all investigators
believe Liz sent over fifteen thousand emails god

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and fifty thousand texts to herself and
Dave posing as Carrie. That's crazy.

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She needed like a hobby. That's
a lot of time. Wow. The

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image of Carrie's corpse, and to
be fair, Liz did delete it,

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but they were able to find it
on her either her phone or her tablet.

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Of course, implicated her in Carrie's
murder, and they had a clever

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way of getting her to admit it. They asked Liz to correspond with Amy

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and see if she could get them
any information about Carrie's death. Like,

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yeah, they were going along with
the story. Yeah, investigators knew Liz

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would write emails back posing as Amy. It was fucked up and therefore incriminate

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herself. Yeah, which is crazy, Like why are She's got an email

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the fake Amy and then respond as
the fake Amy? Yeah. You know,

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if she had any intelligence, she
would wonder why the police would want

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her to reach out to the person
that shot her in the well man,

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you know, people are stupid.
I need you to do some undercover works

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for us. Okay. She obviously
didn't have an attorney. Liz told investigators

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that in an email, Amy had
confessed to stab and carry three to four

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times in Carrie's car before putting her
body into a bin bags trash trash bag.

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The IP addresses from Amy's email,
of course, led them right back

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to Liz. Dumbassy, dumbass,
but she got away with it for years.

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This was enough evidence for Omaha Police
Department to arrest and charge Liz with

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first degree murder. During her trial, the prosecution showed the deleted images of

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Carrie's body, including a photo of
her foot that showed Carrie's distinct tattoo.

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Lizze's defense team trying to argue that
the evidence was circumstantial at best. You

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got a picture of her body that
sounds circumstantial, while they said there is

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no body, so therefore, if
there's nobody, you can't say that Liz

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committed a murder. But we know
that's not true, and of course the

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jury saw through Liz's defense. It
took until two thousand and seventeen before she

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was found guilty of first degree murder
and second degree arson. Oh yeah,

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that's she burned her fucking house and
killed her animals, pets. She killed

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her pets and her children were there. What a fucking horrible person. No,

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I mean, of course she's a
horrible person. I'm saying, but

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she put her children and killed her
pets for what for some guy? Yeah?

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I guess this is crazy, And
she might have gotten away with it

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if she didn't show up to the
police and say Amy's now harassing her?

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Like why do that? Some more
dramas she needs? I guess couldn't she

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just move on and I don't know, find the new guy? Yeah?

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Right, God, I don't get
it. I don't get people. Sometimes

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she was sentenced to life in prison
with the possibility of parole. She's currently

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housed in Nebraska's Correctional Center for Women. Her next parole board review is in

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twenty twenty seven, and it's I
mean, it's not likely that she'll be

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granted parole anytime soon. Of course, she maintains her innocence, of course,

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saying she should be free. Of
course, the real murderer is still

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out there. In the wake of
her daughter's murder, Nancy set up a

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scholarship in Carrie's name, and she
told ABC quote, Carrie was only thirty

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seven years old when she died.
If I could talk to Carrie right now,

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I'd say, I love you.
I'm so glad that you were in

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my life. You have a beautiful
son who's got a wonderful life coming,

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and I miss you terribly. And
they never found her body. Well,

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no, to admit where it is, she'd have to admit she killed her

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right, and they just never found
what the fuck? She probably put it

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in a dumpster. Yeah that's what
I'm thinking. Maybe yeah, shit,

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Well that's crazy story that is so
so crazy, Like why especially why she's

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with Dave, Why is she she's
got Dave. Yeah, they're together.

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Why would she still pretend? Maybe
that brought the sense of that brought them

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together, but even I mean,
okay, so you're together, he's with

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you, everything's going fine. Do
you still need to continue? It's true?

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Why do you still need to continue? You're right because she's crazy,

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Because she's crazy, and she needed
to make it maybe look like Carrie was

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still alive. But fifteen thousand emails
and fifty thousand texts, that's insanity.

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Is insanity. So I want to
think you guys were all listening to this

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crazy story. I think that's it. I think that's it. I think

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that's enough. Crazy's story. Man, people are wild. Anyway, Poor

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poor Carrie, I know your Max
man. Yeah right, like she missed

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her son growing up all because for
what I want to know exactly how it

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all went down. I know that's
crazy. Yeah. Anyway, Well until

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our next episode, don't kill each
other. Bye,