At at. Tonight's guest is Liz Liz. Welcome to the show. Hi,
Rick, thank you well, thank you for coming on. Liz.
We appreciate your time. Liz, please give us a brief bio on yourself.
Well, I'm retired. I'm a senior. I live in a senior
village in Manchester, New Jersey. I have two daughters, once married with
three grandchildren. The other one is engaged. What else can I say about
myself? My car got totaled, so I do a lot of walking in
my area around where I live. I love animals. I don't know what
else to say about me. I always had a fear growing up of were
wolves due to an episode with my brother. But we'll talk about that later.
Instead of talking about that later, how about we touch on that now.
It really is a shame what he did. Please tell the listeners about
that. Well, when I was about five years old, before school age
five, going on six. Maybe it was back in the fifties when Frankenstein
Werewolf and all these crazy horror movies were out. My brother had a mask
of a were wolf and he used to like to scare me. I had
a little window over my bed, a little square window, and I lived
on the second floor, and he said, you know, werewolves like to
eat little girls. They come and take little girls. I said, then
they climb up buildings, so you have to be careful. When there's a
full moon out, that's when the werewolf comes out, and he's going to
try and get you through that window. And he used to sneak in my
room with this mask on and wake me up in the middle of the night,
and I would be frantically screaming, and my father would come in and
I just would say, the monster is going to get me. The monster
is going to get me. And I had trouble going to bed alone in
my room for years. My father would come in my room and sit on
the end of the bed until I fell asleep. He got punished from my
mother and father when they found out what he was up to, but he
thought it was funny, and that fear stayed with me most of my teenage
years into adulthood. You know, my first boyfriend used to say, how
are you could be afraid of a fantasy? I just can't look at that
face, I said, I just can't look at that face. I would
turn chalk white. When that movie was on. So for all of this
to happen to me, it's strange of all people. I had this phobia
as a kid, and I would dream, I have dreams for years every
night, same dream, over and over again, being chased on a field
of green grass into a giant wall of bushes by a werewolf. And then
I would wake up. And I was terrorized with this for years and the
same dream night after night as a kid. And finally the dreams went away
as I got older. But it was a strong phobia. So for this
to happen to me out of wall people. But the funny thing is when
I have my encounter, I realized kind of took my phobia away in a
weird way that when I was a kid, it was a monster. You
know, now as an older person saying this, it's an animal, like
you know seeing a tiger or being face to face with a cougar. You
know, it's not a mythical creature. It's a real, love, flesh
animal. And like I said, I love animals. But I'll get into
that later. How I thought it was beautiful when I first saw it,
but shocking, very shocking to see what I saw. You poor thing.
Shame on him for putting you through that. That's horrible. He was a
buster. He was a buster, my brother. I'm sure you know,
if he knew how much I felt what I went through, he wouldn't have
done it. But I hate even saying it on the show. I hope
he never hears the episode. But he was seven years older than me,
so you know, he wasn't much older. So he was a young kid
too. You know, boys do crazy things. So yeah, something that
happened. It's something that happened. And as you know, big brothers loved
to torment little brothers and little sisters. But still shame on him to go
to those measures and to that extent to torment you. That is horrible.
Yeah, I wish he never would have done that. Talking about what he
did to you, how much more difficult do you think your phobia werewolves made
dealing with your dog man encounters? Ugh? Well, when it happened,
well, I was shocked, completely shocked, trying to grasp what I was
saying. I couldn't believe I was saying what I was saying. My mind
couldn't get around what I was saying at first, but then after hearing a
lot of episodes than other people's encounters. I've realized more and more what I
was dealing with what I did see, and I put a little bit of
fear into me hearing a lot of other episodes that were a lot worse than
mine. I mean, there were a lot of terrifying episodes. Realizing what
it is, I was a little bit more fearful and more aware of my
surroundings when I do go out. I'm afraid to leave my house at night.
I had to walk from my back door to my car, and there
are woods right behind my house, maybe five to eight feet back. I'd
say about eight feet back is the woodline right behind my house, and it
runs back real far, and there's a stream. There's a swamp in a
lake area. And I know it's in there because I'm not far from where
I saw it the first time. So I used to walk around in my
development. I have other family members that live here. I would walk to
their house at night. I'm not thinking anything of it, just taking a
walk at night in the summertime. Every once in a while, I'd get
a creepy feeling, you know, Oh, I got a heavy home and
start I feel like something's watching me. I was get these creepy feelings sometimes
and I would walk faster, but I never had any encounters. But once
that happened, Now you know, if I hear a twig snap behind me,
I stop breathing. I catch my breath, like, what was that?
And I'm looking and I'm looking everywhere. You know, when I drive,
I look everywhere. So I was obsessed with this for about a year,
non stop, talking about it, trying to figure out what I saw.
I was looking on the internet for pictures. What was this animal?
You know? What was it? Was it a cougar? Was it a
bear? What was this animal? And I didn't see anything that resembled it
other than a were wolf, and I would research different movies. Somebody told
me, oh, there's this movie out about were wolves. Is that what
you saw? Dog Man Soldiers? So I put that on and a really
weird thing happened. When I put that on. The movie stopped and your
show came up, dog Man Encounters, and that picture of the dog man
in the circle, that black dog man in the circle is almost almost identical
to what I saw, with some slight modifications. But I started watching your
episodes and I knew what I saw. Now, this wasn't a cougar.
It wasn't you know, a bear. As a matter of fact, there
were sightings of a bear around that time in my community. I'd take a
bus to medical appointments, and I was telling everybody I met, I saw
a werewolf. I saw a werewolf. I saw a werewolf. And the
guy said, oh, no, there were bear sightings in this area.
It was a bear. I said, nah, it was no bear.
It wasn't a bear. Bears don't leap eight foot up in the air.
I did. This was no bear, and it's affected me. You know,
when I go to bed at night, I go lock all my windows.
I used to leave my windows open and let the air in. Now
I locked my windows, I shut my windows down. I locked my doors
double padded. I'm looking out the windows at night. If I had come
in late, I'll call my daughter and say, meet me outside. I
don't want to come in by myself. It puts a fear into you.
You know, you're afraid God forbid your If it ever would have looked at
me, I think I would have passed out. My episode wasn't as exciting
as a lot of the other ones. I don't think I would have survived
any of those encounters because of that. Phobia had an effect, definitely had
an effect on me. It really is a shame you have to go through
all that. That's horrible. But talking about your encounters, Please tell us
about them now, Liz, give us a real last detail that comes to
mind. Okay, So I used to drive everywhere. I don't have a
car anymore. My car was total, so I walk and I don't live
close to stores. It's Hope Chapel Road is the road that I walk down.
It's behind my development. This whole area is surrounded by woods with a
few houses and here and there. My development was cut out of the woods.
So we're surrounded by woods. And I'm a smoker, and it was
getting late and I had to get to the store. And the closest store
is a liquor store down Hope Chapel over, So I have to walk out
of my development. And my house, like I said, is backed up
to the woods. So I have to walk all the way through the development
to get out to the road. And then you go down the back road,
which is woods on both sides, woods to the left, woods to
the right. Every time I will walk down that road. I look to
the right. One day, coyotes gotta come out of there and bite me.
I gotta find another way to get to where I gotta go and keep
walking on. Well, this day it was lazy day. I didn't feel
like walking. I knew I had to go. I was running out of
cigarettes. Time was clicking on the clock, and I'm oh, my god,
son's gonna be going down soon. You better get moving. So I
left my house, and I think it was getting dark then early. I
left my house like a quarter to four, and I think by four point
thirty quarter to five, it's already dark. So I'm walking out the development
and I'm walking down this road. I got my iPhone with me, and
I'm listen into music and I look over in the woods to the right,
and I'm looking and I don't see anything. And I'm walking and I'm passing
the houses, and then you get into an area where there's woods and no
houses, and then maybe three hundred foot you'll find another house way set back.
I'm walking all the way down and I get like maybe a block before
the liquor store. I'm on a corner and I have to cross that corner
and then there's woods on both sides again, and that's where coyote ran out
one time when I was walking way ahead of me and went to the other
sides of the woods right around the same area. Now it's a two lane
highway, so it's called Hope Chapel Road or five seventy one. So I'm
walking and the traffic's coming, but it's slowing down now because it's getting later.
There's more traffic on the crossroad where the liquor store is, and I'm
walking and it's starting to get them, but it's still light out, and
all of a sudden, there was a cornfield right across from the liquor store.
There was no corn there, but it's up on a mount on a
hill, and out of the top of that hill, and it says I
want to mention that the road is four lanes. There's two lanes when you
cross that first street, and the next block before the liquor store, there's
two lanes and a soft shoulder to the road on both sides, so like
maybe five foot on one side and six foot on the other soft shoulder,
then two lanes on both sides, so it's a wide space. So I'm
clearing the woods. I come to the corner and out of the top of
that cornfield comes this animal flying from the hill, and I'm staring at it.
It landed in the middle of the road, and then it leaped and
went in into the woods on the other side. But this all occurred like
slow motion. I saw it jump out, and it stood in the road
for a minute or two, and then it leaped up and went into the
air. And I was trying to grasp in my head what I was saying,
because I got a side profile of it, and I stopped dead in
my tracks, just stood there. It was like time stood still, like
I was in another reality another I just stood there in shock, staring at
it. It jumped up in the air and leaped. I don't know how
high it went. It went high into the sky with its front legs or
arms stretched out and its back legs stretched out. At that point, I
was scanning its body, and it was looking straight ahead as if it was
chasing something, so it didn't see me, but I saw it. As
soon as it came out. I stood dead still, and I stopped breathing,
and then then moved a muscle. I just staring at it, and
I started scanning its body from its head to the back of its body.
And it had a dog's face, like the muzzle of either a bear or
a dog, you know, a long muzzle like a dog. It was
jet black, shiny, shiny fur. It had hair not here like a
name, was a little longer on its head. Its ears were pointed straight
up. His shoulders were massive. Its chest was massive like a body builder,
broad shoulders, a real big, big chest going straight across, and
his chest stood out, and his stomach was up high, and by the
waist it was thin. And then the back legs. I didn't notice the
tail, but I was trying to scan its body as it was going to
get every detail of what I was saying. And the legs didn't look right
to me. It didn't look right to me, like there was something off
about the legs, like it didn't belong on a dog. The dog's legs
are different than that. And then the legs were stretched out, and it
seemed skinny in the waist, and there was skin up on the belly,
and the feet were like big, like a kangaroo. If you would picture
a kangaroo's foot being flat on the ground. The feet were big, and
the legs were like thighs, not like an animal, like the dog animal.
I didn't see if it had claws or nothing, because I didn't have
time to scan his body. I was and then when it was it just
came from that cornfield, stood in the middle of the road, a side
profile just like that picture. Then it leaped up into the air and flew
across three lanes and landed in the woods, not on the edge of the
woods, in the woods, and it was gone. And I didn't I
realized at that point. I wasn't breathing. I was like just standing there
in awe and shock, and it was like as if time stood still.
And I said out loud, I took a step back, and I said
to myself, did I just see it? Wear Wolf? I mean,
I didn't know what to think. I didn't know how to process what I
saw, and I didn't know what to do. It was going to be
dark at any minute, and I was closer to the store than I was
to go going home, and it seemed as if it was chasing something.
It was preoccupied. And I didn't think about this until later. It knew
when the traffic was gone, it had intelligence to know when to come out
of that embankment. It knew there was no traffic at that point because the
way it dodged out at the top of that embankment, which I'd say,
when you're walking past it, it's about six foot high. The dirt mount
is up high, and that's where the cornfield was. It just came flying
out of their stood in the middle of the street and then leaped up in
the air, flying through the air. I was like, I couldn't believe
I saw what I saw. And then I didn't know what to do.
Do I go home. No, it's going to be dark by the time
I get down there. What if it goes back. All kinds of thoughts
were on though my head. No, it's probably chasing something and didn't even
see you. So just go to the store as closer as I'm thinking all
these things in my head. So I decided to go to the store.
And I'm looking at the store and the sun is five foot over the roof
of the building. I know once I got in that store and came out,
it was going to be pitch black out and there's very poor lighting.
And to come out of there and to pitch black. I had to either
make a choice to walk back down the same way I came, which I
didn't want to do. What if it decided to come back, or well,
going the other way wasn't a good option either, because now I have
to walk back home the same way it was running. But anyway, I
get it in the liquors store and they must have thought I was drunk coming
back for more booze to buy my cigarettes, because I was like, I
just saw a werewolf. You're not gonna believe this. I just saw a
werewolf come out of that where that Quirkfield used to be. You better be
care well when you go to your car. And I'm I'm I'm I can't
believe I just saw that. I just saw it looked like a werewolf.
And they're looking at me like I have ten eyes, you know. But
now I gotta leave, and I got to walk home, and I'm like,
oh my god. There was no one to call, no one around.
I didn't have Uber on my phone, I couldn't call for a TAXI.
I'm like, what am I going to do? Well? You better
just hope and pray you make it home. And I never walked so fast
in my life. I swear I was in a marathon race. I walked
like the devil was behind me. I just kept walking and walking, and
then I had to make a left turn when I finally got to a street,
which was pretty far from where I was. Both sides woods get left
and walk down a road that has houses right next to each other. So
if I would have went the other way, would have been a long time
before I got to a house. And the house was set back, So
what was I going to do if I saw it? I probably never would
have made it to the door anyway, And I made a left turn at
that street and I started walking home, and all the dogs in that area
that we're living in those houses I was walking past, We're barking, and
I'm thinking, oh my god, is this thing. Are they barking because
this is in the area, or are they barking because I'm walking. I
got to my development and I went into what we have a clubhouse, and
I went into the bathroom and washed my face, tried to like recover from
walking nine million miles an hour. Waited a few minutes, thinking in my
head, well, if this thing is following me or watching me, or
is still around it's gonna think I live here. I was thinking all kinds
of crazy things. I got to get home and I still had a little
ways to go to get to my house. And in the house I went
and I was calling everybody and telling everybody about what I saw. But when
you see something like that, it takes time to even process that you saw
it. And I didn't know what I was seeing. I thought it was
a werewolf, and I didn't know anything about dog Man at the time.
And I think it was like a couple of days later, after riding the
bus with people I lived with in the community and talking about it, and
one guy said, watch dog Man's Soldiers to see if that's what you saw.
And the other lady said, oh, you saw the Jersey Devil and
I said, no, this was no bear. It was no, I
don't know what it was. And somebody said, watch that movie, see
if that's what you saw. So I'm trying to watch were wolf movies to
see if I could match this animal with anything. And during watching this movie,
I find the dog Man Soldiers I think the name of the movie was.
In the middle of the movie stops and on the screenpop the music starts
playing, dog man encounters, and I'm like, how did that happen?
And I must have accidentally hit my remote, you know, And I didn't
know what it was. I thought it was part of the movie or something.
I didn't know. And I started watching it and I started hearing somebody's
encounter and I'm like, oh my god, that's what it was. That's
what I saw. A dog man. They're here in New Jersey. And
I kept thinking, well, I don't hear anybody talking about New Jersey.
You know, maybe I'll hear somebody talking about New Jersey. But listening to
other people's stories, I mean, they don't even compare with mine. I
don't know what I would do if I was it turned around and looked at
me, I probably would have screamed and started running. I don't know what
I would have did. But when it happened, it was as if time
stood still, and it wasn't long. It didn't take long, and only
stood in the street for a minute or two and then leaped. And when
it was in mis there, it was like everything was in slow motion.
I was standing perfectly still, scanning its body from its nose to its backside,
and its legs were stretched out and its arms were stretched out. I
didn't have time to see the claws or the hands. I didn't see that.
I just saw his chest and his shoulders. I'm massive, and I
was trying to figure out how tall was that, How big was that?
I matched that up against and there's a stop sign on the corner. It
was bigger than the stop sign. And I was telling people about it,
but they thought I was crazy. You know. I did not stop talking
about this ever since it happened. And then I started thinking and telling my
daughter, and my daughter says, man, I don't believe you. You
know, I don't believe you. May have to see it to believe it.
And I said, I swear to God, I saw this. It's
a real animal. It's not a man that turns into will wear a wolf
into the middle of the night when the moon is full. It's an animal.
It was an animal, and away it was beautiful. The color of
it was beautiful. It was like a shiny black like a cougar. But
the shape of its body and that slight hump on its back. Except for
that picture, that hump is bigger than the one I saw. The one
I saw was a little bit lower on its back, and the fur around
the head was a little bit longer, kind of like a shirtning that went
slightly over the shoulders, and the shoulders the top of the shoulders were huge.
And then I saw his under his chest stuck out and it was wide.
And then it got real skinny and up high towards its belly and skinny
at the waist, and then it had like by the buttox area, the
leg area. It was not fat, but didn't belong on a dog.
It didn't belong on an animal, and the legs were stretched out long,
so maybe that's why they looked skinny. But the one I saw, I
didn't have as much muscle mask in the legs, but that could have been
because it was stretched out. And I'm telling my daughter this story, and
she knows about all my strange things that happened to me, and she goes,
do you ever think, Ma, that maybe you had an encounter with
this thing before that's why you had a fear, not just because of Danny
scaring you, but maybe something happened. And I thought back to when I
was a kid, I did have an experience my mother. I was about
eleven years old. My mother had to have back surgery and it was a
serious surgery. So my father sent me over to my mother's brother, my
uncle's house to stay there for a while until my mother came back from the
hospital. And the surgery was real serious, and my father told me my
mother could be paralyzed if the surgery doesn't go right. So that night over
my uncle's house, I slept in my cousin's room. She was younger than
me, and I had to stay there for about a week. It was
the summertime, and there was a window on the second floor with the curtain
the wind blowing, and the curtain was blowing in and out of the window,
and I'm laying in bed, and I'm thinking about my mother and what
would life be if my mother was not able to walk anymore. And I
was worrying about her, and I couldn't sleep. I was trying to sleep,
but I couldn't sleep worrying about her. And I turned on my side
and I looked at my cousin, which was in a twin bed and laying
next to me, and I was laughing at her because of the way she
was sleeping. She had her two arms folded, her head on her arms,
and her butt stayed looking straight up in the air with her legs underneath
her stomach. And I'm looking at her, laughing, how does this kid
sleep like that? And I was uncomfortable, you know, trying to sleep,
so I turned face in the window and there was this thing over the
bed with these claws and these teeth open and like kind of smiling, like
they said at me over my bed. And I screamed, bloody murder and
put my head in my pillow and my blanket over my head. And my
aunt came running in the room and she said, you're dreaming, your dreaming,
wake up. Well, she had a pride me out of that pillow.
I was not giving that pillow up. I was screaming, get it
away from me, get it away from me. As I go back and
I think about things like have I had other encounters and never realized it,
you know, because I I heard a story that it climbed up a building
and it was on a rooftop. And in my development, I have a
cousin that lives here. Because I would go back and think and think my
cousin lives here. And I used to ride a bicycle because I don't have
a car, and I left the bicycle on her porch, and I went
over to get the bicycle, and we were sitting outside smoking, talking and
then I was going to take the bike and go. She went back into
the house, locked the door, and went in the bathroom. I didn't
know she was in the bathroom because I tried to get in a few minutes
later and she wasn't opening the door. I got the bike and I started
to go off the porch on the bike, and I heard this growl or
this deep vibrating growl, and there's a dog around here somewhere. Where's this
dog? And I'm looking for a dog. This was before I had the
dog Man encounter. I'm looking under the car. Where's this dog? It
sounds like it's huge. I went back, banging on the door, banging
on the door corner. She's not opening the door. I jumped on that
bicycle like the Wicked Witch and the Wizard of Ours. I was peddling so
fast to get away from that area. Because I didn't see it. All
I could do was hear it, And I'm thinking, well, was that
the dog man? I'm like later on, thinking well, I've heard people
say that when it growls it by breach your chest. Well, that's kind
of how this ground was. It was very deep and made you think the
dog was huge, like I was dealing with a I don't know, a
massive somewhere. But I couldn't I couldn't see it. Never dawned to me.
Maybe it was on the roof, or maybe it was in the woods.
Maybe it was there and I didn't see it. Like I said,
I used to walking around here all the time. I did a lot of
walking to stores that were further than the liquor store at night, coming home
with the woods on both sides, having a creepy feeling like something is watching
me the entire time I walked. And that was miles from here, you
know, just going back and back. And when I was kid, I
wouldn't sleep in my room unless I drew the curtains. I used to hear
tapping on my glass window when I was younger, and that was in the
same town where I had that episode over my aunt's house. Now, the
logical thing is I did fall asleep and it was a nightmare. I'll never
know. But after hearing all these stories, they more kind of in line
with the dog man that I never knew existed until that day, and it
could be that I was just afraid and I did fall asleep, and my
imagination because of fear. I'll never know. But I did hear a growl
over my cousin's house, which isn't far from where my house is, in
the same development, which is right up against those woods that is at that
highway. So right behind those woods is Hope Chapel Road of five point seventy
one where it came out of. And then I heard stories that the Doorgman
has been seen in Jackson at an old abandoned brick factory, so it's in
this area. My daughter tells me a story. She went to wah Wah,
which is another story around here, and the kids ride those dirt bikes
back in the woods in the summertime. You could hear the motors running in
them going back in the woods with it. She said, these two kids
came into wah Wah and wanted them to call a police because a werewolf chased
them out of the woods. And she came home and told me that night
she goes, my I owe you an apology. So after hearing all these
other stories and realizing exactly what it was. It's just made me in a
way. It's good because I know what I'm dealing with. But this animal
is like I would compare it to walking in the Serengetti without being in your
jeep and coming across a tiger or a rhino. It's big, it's powerful,
it's real, it's flesh of blood. It's an animal, and animals
can be unpredictable, So that's the fear behind it. It's unpredictable. But
the view I got of it wasn't very threatening because I didn't think it saw
me. But then I thought, well, maybe it followed me as I
was walking down that road. You know, maybe it was aware I was
there and it came out right in front of me to let me know it
was there. I didn't feel threatened by it because it didn't look at me
and I didn't think it saw me. The good thing is I know there's
no such things as I don't believe in windigoes, men turning into werewolves,
and it sought me a lesson that there's so much we don't know about the
world that we're living in. You know what else is out there? Yeah,
it's like where wolfs are real, but it's an animal. It's not
a man that turns into a wolf when the moon is full. It's not
all that spooky stuff. It's a real animal. I thought it was beautiful
when I saw it, because it was magnificent. It was like so powerful.
I wouldn't sit on my back porch anymore. I used to go out
and sit on the back porch at night, smoke my cigarettes, watch movies
on my phone, my iPad. I won't do that no more because it
could come from the middle of those woods and be on my back deck in
seconds. It's super fast, super powerful. That's the scary thing about it
is that we're not the top of the food chain. And when you look
at this, you know you're not the top of the food chain anymore.
There's something out there bigger and better than you as a human. But you
know, I've heard stories episodes where that one guy killed it, and I
don't know if that's true or not, but he said he killed it.
He went in there to get a second look at it, and he wound
up hunting it down and killing it. Now that broke my heart. I
won't want to see them people going out trying to kill them or like I
said, I'm an animal lover. It's an animal. It's just an animal.
The scary thing is animals can be unpredictable. I know it has some
form of intelligence because it knew when to come out, Like there was a
car that went and a car that went, and then the traffic slowed down,
and when there was no traffic on either side of the road, it
came out. So it was it knew when to come out. I thought
it was chasing something, so it was preoccupied. It didn't notice me.
So that's the only thing that made me go forward to I thought that it's
probably long gone. But when you're walking in the dark, you're hoping it's
long gone. You don't know is it around you. All these thoughts are
going through your hat as you're going home. Sometimes I think I'd like to
see it at a long distance to get a better look at it. But
then again, people said that the faces were scary. Some of them looked
like hyenas, And I know there's different types from watching the show, but
I don't know what the different types are. Anyway, I've been trying to
forget about it because I'm obsessed about it. Over the last year and a
half couldn't get it out of my mind. I haven't had any nightmares,
but I still get a little spooked and shut my windows. I walk my
windows. I don't sleep with the windows open anymore. Like I said,
I'm a little free to go out to my car at night if I hear
a branch crack it behind me, and you know, I'm holding my breath,
I'm looking over my shoulder. That's the kind of fear it could put
into you when you say it, because it's bigger and batter than you.
And that's the fear. It's bigger and better than you. So you just
don't know. And that's the thing that scares me. You just don't know.
I mean, it didn't hurt me. It could have swiped my head
off in a flash. I mean, you know, it could have seen
me, or walked where, followed me on the way home. I don't
know these things, but all these other things that happened to me kind of
fit in line with the dog man. And then I said, well,
you know, being in a suburban area, you know, maybe that was
a dream. But then I've heard a story about it being in an apartment
development with high rise apartment buildings there's two kids playing basketball and it's jumping on
the roof. It was on the roof. Another woman that said she saw
it on her balcony. She lived way high up on it. It could
scale up the walls. I believe it could jump. My roof is what
maybe eight foot nine foot and the roof is there. It's in a what
do they call that a ranch? A live in a ranch house, So
the roof isn't four from the ground. So when I was over my cousin's
house, hers is lined up against the liver right up behind that highway where
we saw it. And then my daughter's girlfriend owns a farm in Jackson and
they've been having sightings of the dog man over there. It's killed chickens in
the barn. I told her to get in touch with you, Vic and
tell her your story. But that's about it. But something else surely never
forget Oh, I'm sure you never will forget it. If you've had a
dog mean an encounter, I would like to speak with me about it,
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submit a report. If you've had a bigfoot sighting and would like to be
a guest on one of my two bigfoot shows. Please go to my Bigfoot
sighting dot com and let me know. Please don't lose sight of the fact,
Liz, that the fact that you're still here intact, unharmed has nothing
to do with you locking your windows and locking your doors and closing your windows
at night and not sitting out on the porch and all the things you've done.
You're here because it doesn't want to harm you. If I wanted to
harm you, none of those things would have stopped it. But the good
news is, like I told you the first time we spoke, it's proven
with his own actions that it doesn't want to harm you. I'm not going
to say all dogmen are safe to be around, but that one proved with
his own actions that it does not want to harm you. So please never
lose sight of that fact. Yeah, that's true. That makes me relaxed
when I think about it. But you know, it's like, I don't
know if I want to see it again. I don't know, Maybe I
should to get out. Like they say that wolfman phobia fear, I mean
that followed me into my thirties. Thirty years old, it was still terrified
and just turned seventy last week, so I'm very active for my age,
doing all the walking I do. It's just shocking, you know, in
a good kind of way, kind of like eliminated the phobia and brought it
into a real living creature that's, you know, a nightmare monster. This
is an animal like a tiger, and I love tigers. I think tigers
are the most magnificent animal God created. They're so beautiful. I kind of
when I got to look at this, I put that in that category.
It was beautiful. The color of its fur was gorgeous. The creepy thing
was the slight hump on its back, the size of the shoulders, and
I kind of don't I was when it jumped out of the cornfield it stood
in the road, But I don't have a clear picture of that because I
was in complete shock at that point, trying to grasp what I was looking
at. What am I seeing? But when I saw that picture, that
was what it was. But I don't have a clear, crisp memory of
it because my mind was still trying to get behind what I was saying,
and I wasn't dead focused scanning its body from every inch of his body at
that moment because it just happened in a flash. But that's what it looked
like, because the shape of it is exactly how it was, the huge
chest, shoulders, And where did you ever see this in your life?
You've never seen anything like. Growing up, you went to a farm,
you so chickens, cows go to you know, you go to a safari
place, a great adventure. You see a giraffe, to rhino. You
know, there's cougars and lions and tigers and bears. This doesn't fit into
our knowledge of animals. But my impression of it when I first saw it
was it was magnificent, but creepy because it kind of resembled the man from
the top up its chest like a bodybuilder, huge rib cage, massive.
It was nothing that exists except for in horror movies. You see these in
horror movies. Kind of does look like not dovemn soldiers. They were hairy
and more matted and not pretty. This was perfect, It's fair, was
gorgeous. It was I compare it to a little bit longer than a black
panther that black sheen to it. And I love dogs and I love cats,
an animal lover. But if it turned around would it mean hyena face,
So I think I would have passed out. I don't think I would
have handled that too good. But the point that I saw the view of
it, you know, it just I was in awe. You're just and
you feel like time stands still. It's as if you're in a time warp,
like everything slowed down except for my eyeball scanning that and my brain trying
to comprehend what I was saying, you're just in shock, getting shocked.
But you know, like I said, as I've learned about it, ugh,
you know I wouldn't want to come into a confrontation with it. I
guess it could if it wants to get me, it could get me leash.
I just don't want to put myself into position to have him make the
decision. So if I stay out of its way, that decision won't have
to be made. But it could have took me out in a heartbeat that
night, if it was still in the area and it was following me or
watching me. Uh yeah, I mean there was no way, you know,
I would have been able to get out of that. No way.
He couldn't get to a door taster, and I think could get to you
where. There was miles that I walked that day to get home, so
and it was pitch black out, nobody would have seen anything. I just
would have disappeared. So I think there were some of them that might be
very dangerous and some of them that really aren't interested in us. I'm just
wondering why they're coming in society, Like they're coming out of the woods and
I haven't noticed. I usually see more animals back here. I've seen wild
turkeys come out of the woods and deer, possums, raccoons. I have
not seen one raccoon. I have not seen one turkey wild turkey. I
have not seen deer. You know, I'm wondering, are they running out
of food and they're looking for food in our communities. It seems like there's
more and more sightings of them. They're getting bolder and bolder and coming into
our world more so that itself is a little scary, only because of the
power behind them, keeping up with cars, running next to a car.
It's unbelievable. Everything about these guys is scary. Yeah, you know,
I mean it's really they're very powerful animals. I've seen that within the first
few seconds. I mean, the length that it jumped was unbelievable, you
know, the only animal that would have that kind of power. And I
wouldn't even say I had that much power. I don't know how far tiger
could leap, or a cougar, but this, the power behind it is
just unbelievable. The strength in it and how fast it moves. It's just
there's nothing that we could compare it to. I thought cougar. You know,
maybe a cougar could move that fast, but doesn't have the same chest,
head, same kind of fur, maybe little shorter, same color.
But I sometimes I wish I saw its face, and I'm kind of glad
I didn't because I'm sure if you did get to see the eyes, you'd
never get that out of your head, just never get it out of your
mind to see those teeth. And if eyes that they saw, I don't.
I don't know. I think I would have. They would have had
a somebody would have found me lying on the side of the road out cold.
I think if it turned around and I saw that, I think I
would have went out cold, no no doubt. And then again I don't
know, and maybe I wouldn't have because like I said, it kind of
took the phobia away. Not a monster or Hollywood produced monster. It's a
real animal and it exists in our world. We'll just have to learn how
to find out more about it and hope that it doesn't want us. I
don't know, try to process it. It's really part the process it normally
is. And that makes two of us who are so glad that it didn't
turn to look at you. I think I would have went out cold,
lights out. That's it, game over. If I would have saw that
grollying in my face like some of these people had turned in front of you,
I think, oh my god, I don't know. You know,
my old fear would have came back, like the night in the bedroom when
I was a kid. That was horrific, and I swore for years I
was not sleeping and I was looking in books when I was younger, because
you know, but it's a demon. Coming from a Catholic background, you
know, it's a demon. I saw a demon. No, it's not
what it looked like. Trying to figure that out when I was a kid.
Then the logical explanation is I did fall asleep and I had a dream,
a nightmare. What animal is gonna jump on a roof and come in
the window. Till you heard dog man encounters and how they bothered little children
and they tap on the glass. They've been in people's homes. I'm like,
oh my god, was that real? Who knows could have been?
I saw it. I saw the real deal. And that's what even made
it stranger for me because I had a phobia my whole life. It's like,
either I'm insane or I saw this, and I know I'm not crazy.
I did see this, and other people have seen the same exact thing,
So either it's mass hallucination or it's happening. When I tell my daughter
and everybody, don't go into the woods, don't do that. Stay out
of the woods. And that's why I told people stay out of the woods.
Why take the chance? What if you're run into one that's not friendly,
you can't escape that. M M. I think it jump on you
and kill you just from its size, forget about the clause. Just the
size of it would knock you out. Amazing. It's just it was amazing,
and everybody wants to see it after you hear the story. But if
you see it, you're never going to get it out of your head.
You know, it's I don't know, you know, makes you wonder about
the world you're living in. It does make you wonder about the world we
live in. But I'll tell you this though, Liz, I am so
glad you're talking about this. This is never going to give you the warm
and fuzzies, but I'm so glad you are talking about it because it's all
about exposure when it comes to you healing from these experiences. So while it's
not comfortable to do so, you are going to grow from this. So
please don't lose sight of that fact. I'm still unclear on this though.
Did that encounter happen close to the pine barrens or inside them? Well,
we're part of the pine barrens, but we're not in the middle or lake.
It's it's strange. We have a lot of woods. We're in the
pine barren area. I mean it is the pine barrens, but it's not
deep into the pine barrens. Like I know, there's a naval BA Lakers,
naval based Bill Air Force is right down the road and that goes back
for I think through another state. It goes like far far back the odding
talking about the naval base is a couple of years back. I think I
told you this before about the helicopters. There were helicopters, Black op helicopters
flying all around in the woods behind me. They were there all day and
part of the night, like these spotlights in the woods, up and down,
back and forth. And there's like a swamp right behind me. It's
like a stream from a lake that's been blocked by the beavers. They put
a dam in up at that lake and we got like a little stream back
here, and it's very swampy back there. Somebody that lived in this development
years ago went walking in there and never came out. They couldn't find them.
I remember when I moved in, my neighbor told me, don't go
walking back in those woods. What did I do? I went walking back
in those woods when I first moved in, I walked in there for miles.
So there's a lot of woods on these helicopters. What we heard where
they were surveying the land. But you know, the Army Black Ops helicopters,
they were the ones flying all back in that wooded area, And I
kept thinking to myself, they're looking for something, or maybe they're playing military
war games or something back there. But that's not normal. I mean,
it was day and night, those helicopters, the noise, they kept going
looking for it like that. They don't do that at night survey land.
And something was up back there in those woods. And I think they know
about it, but they're not saying anything. They're not letting the public know
about it. I think there's something something going on with the military and these
animals. I don't know, but it was strange. I thought that was
strange. And that was long before my encounter, a couple of years before
my encounter. As far as the Pine barrens go. There's where town what
was that Whiting, very heavily wooded area. I was going to make a
video of the area and send it to you. How there's like miles of
woods that go back Jackson. It goes all the way down to Atlantic City.
Past Atlantic City, that's the Pine barrens. This is like where in
the Pine barrens. But the beginning of the pine barrens, not the end
of it, like the middle of it or the midst of it. We're
on the beginning of it, and then if you go continue you're deep into
the pines like if you keep going pissed Whiting and down that way, then
you're into the midst of the pine Tupperton and not far from us topper Tin,
and that's the pine barrens. Yeah, they say the Jersey Devil's in
there. That's what everybody was telling me. I saw the Jersey devil.
So this was no Jersey devil. It was an animal. Looked like a
wolf. Looked like a werewolf. Looked exactly like a werewolf, but less
scary. Not a monster, an animal. The only thing scary about it
is it looks part man, part human. The body, the chest,
the shoulders, and the stomach looked like the dog's stomach. You know how
dog has skin on its stomach. The stomach was like a beige tan color
a pie and like almost like what kind of the dog is it? A
Doberman pincher where the chest is out and then the stomach is up high and
it's got a skinny waste that's the kind of angle like it was skinny in
the waste area a pie and its chest was out massive and I'm like,
oh my god, so we're part of the pine barrens. I'd say,
yeah, I said, we're part of the pine barrens. The Pine Beering
sure are a strange place. It really is hard to say what you might
run into in that place. And I guess you found out the hard way
about that. Well. Yeah, I mean, you know, you hear
all kinds of crazy things, and the weird New Jersey tells all kinds of
backwoods stories and stuff. And I'm not one to go looking for that kind
of stuff either, deary. I'm just going to the store to get my
cigarettes and bam, I'm in the midst of a story. It's just like,
what else is in this world that we don't know about. It's just
you're living in a different world that I grew up in. Who know this
animal existed? Like what other animals are out there? And you see all
these stories on YouTube. I watching them now, these other things that are
out there, and it's like, I don't know, you know, I'm
a skeptic to I don't know if there's a man walking around that looks like
a lizard or somebody that looks like the goat. I never saw any of
that. But after saying a werewolf, who knows what's out there? I
mean, it's just not the same world. I thought I was living in
It's shocking, and there's no way to express the shock of it. It
just doesn't belong in your vocabulary of your world that you live in. It
doesn't fit. It's not normal, you know, it's out of the norm.
But like they say, they've been around since the eighteen hundreds and beyond,
and they're on every continent, and they are over the place that there
was a story I've found after saying nests and hearing about the Beast of Briar
Road and all different stories. So this thing has been seen all over the
place, and I thought only well, maybe in Wisconsin, you know,
but never in New Jersey. And I'm like waiting for other people to come
on the show that are from New Jersey and tell their story, because they're
definitely here. And so I don't know if they travel like from state to
state or and it seems to be that there's a lot of them. I
mean, it's not like one or two they go on packs. Because Leanne
said that these kids they're being seen by the old abandoned brick factory it's called
in Jackson, And I'm on the cusp of Lakers Jackson Whiting right on the
cusp of all of them, which is the beginning of the pine barrens.
So it's a lot of pine lands here, a lot. I'm not sure
if you knew it. But about three four shows ago the guests came on
and talked about encounters he had in the pine appearance as well. Oh really,
yeah, his name is Mike all Antonio. He's a good man,
and if you want, I can put you into contact with him. Yeah,
that'd be great. Absolutely. I like to hear somebody else, you
know, from my area, because you fell alone, you know, I
know well, she said, these kids, And when the kids came in,
the clerk had said, oh, that's a doork man, like he
knew about it. So she goes, yeah, the clerk told him it's
a dorg man. Watch doork man encounter. See vic words out. I
guess it is. Yeah, it sounds like you did now. The clerk,
yeah, knew all about you. He said, Oh, it's talk
man. I told the police officer my daughter got stopped. I forget what
for not platting our winch wipers on one night coming home, and then I
said to the cop, have you heard any reports about any animals? It's
like it was never off of my mind. It's there, It's part of
me now, this experience. It's like when I was a kid, that
stayed with me forever. This is gonna stay with me until the end.
I think I'll get all the answers when I'm not around anymore, when I
move on to other pastors, I'll have all the answers. But there's just
a lot about this world we don't know about. We don't know what's right
here. I don't know if they were modified animals by the government, but
they say they've been around since the eighteen hundreds, right, I don't know.
I don't know if it's an experiment, if the government is producing them.
I mean, the helicopter thing that happened, like going back a couple
of years ago, was kind of strange. I thought that was strange when
it was happening, like, that's not what they're doing. They're not serving.
Why are they doing this at night? Why the picks spotlights out over
there? What are they looking for? If somebody kill somebody, they're looking
for somebody in the woods. All kinds of things run through your mind.
That was weird, But then I connected to that, you know, well,
maybe they were looking for them. Maybe they know that they're in the
area and they shouldn't be in here, or maybe they're training dumb or you
think all kinds of crazy things because trying to make sense out of what you
saw, and you just can't get any answers. You know, you're just
it's just an animal. But why does it look like a man unless it's
I don't believe in Darwin's theory of evolution, So is it evolving from an
animal into a man type? Yeah, all kinds of things go through your
head trying to figure out what was that, Why is it in society?
Is it from this planet? All kinds of things. Maybe it's from another
planet. I don't think it's from another dimension where flips in between dimensions.
But who knows, You don't know, You just don't know. All I
know is I saw it and it was real and it was a living,
breathing animal, not somebody that turned into a wolf. I don't know.
Crazy world, Yes it is. It's a lot crazier than most of us
are ever going to know too. So yeah, that's a fact. Well,
what's about time for us to get out if you're a Liz. But
before we do Do you have any clothes in comments you'd like to share.
If you decide to go in the woods, don't be alone, and don't
be far from you're afore, stay out of the woods if possible. I
don't want to cramp on anybody's fun or anything. But you know, I
tell everybody don't go in there because you just don't know. You just don't
know. And that's the whole thing. Like you can't go walking around in
the loads Africa without protection. There's things that you just don't do. You
don't go swimming where there's crocodiles. It hasn't hurt anybody, It's hurt very
few people. But who's to know if you're going to run into a good
one or a bad one. You don't know until it happens, and if
it happens, you are not getting going to get out of it. They're
the apex predator, not you. You know, unless you're packing a gun
that would put it to sleep, which I hate to think that because they
have a right to live too. You know. I hate hunting. That
drives me crazy when people go kill animals. I mean they do it for
food source or whatever, but I'm like an animal love or nut. So
it's like they have a right to live and breathe. They're here too.
If you do see one, keep your distance, don't show any fear,
and just be safe. That's all. Just be safe. An easier said
than done, like I would, Yeah, a lot easier said than done.
Well, Liz, I can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing
the details of those experiences with us. I really appreciate it. Thank you
Vic for letting me come on the show, and thank all the other people
that call in because at least I knew what I saw after seeing your show,
you know, and it was fun. So I'll let you know if
I see it again. I hope not, but I hope not too.
Yeah, at a distance, you know. I wouldn't mind seeing it at
a very far distance where I could leave if I wanted at any time.
But it was an experience, Oh I'm sure it was that. It was.
Well. Thanks again so much for your time and have a great night.
Thanks. We'll see