1 00:00:11,199 --> 00:01:32,480 At at. Tonight's guest is Liz Liz. Welcome to the show. Hi, 2 00:01:32,599 --> 00:01:36,159 Rick, thank you well, thank you for coming on. Liz. 3 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:41,239 We appreciate your time. Liz, please give us a brief bio on yourself. 4 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,760 Well, I'm retired. I'm a senior. I live in a senior 5 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:53,599 village in Manchester, New Jersey. I have two daughters, once married with 6 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:59,439 three grandchildren. The other one is engaged. What else can I say about 7 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:05,319 myself? My car got totaled, so I do a lot of walking in 8 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:13,520 my area around where I live. I love animals. I don't know what 9 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:19,800 else to say about me. I always had a fear growing up of were 10 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,680 wolves due to an episode with my brother. But we'll talk about that later. 11 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,960 Instead of talking about that later, how about we touch on that now. 12 00:02:29,479 --> 00:02:31,639 It really is a shame what he did. Please tell the listeners about 13 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:38,360 that. Well, when I was about five years old, before school age 14 00:02:38,879 --> 00:02:45,080 five, going on six. Maybe it was back in the fifties when Frankenstein 15 00:02:45,439 --> 00:02:51,680 Werewolf and all these crazy horror movies were out. My brother had a mask 16 00:02:52,039 --> 00:02:58,039 of a were wolf and he used to like to scare me. I had 17 00:02:58,039 --> 00:03:02,360 a little window over my bed, a little square window, and I lived 18 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:07,960 on the second floor, and he said, you know, werewolves like to 19 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,439 eat little girls. They come and take little girls. I said, then 20 00:03:10,479 --> 00:03:15,439 they climb up buildings, so you have to be careful. When there's a 21 00:03:15,479 --> 00:03:17,240 full moon out, that's when the werewolf comes out, and he's going to 22 00:03:17,319 --> 00:03:22,759 try and get you through that window. And he used to sneak in my 23 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:27,680 room with this mask on and wake me up in the middle of the night, 24 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:32,280 and I would be frantically screaming, and my father would come in and 25 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,360 I just would say, the monster is going to get me. The monster 26 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,319 is going to get me. And I had trouble going to bed alone in 27 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:45,840 my room for years. My father would come in my room and sit on 28 00:03:45,879 --> 00:03:49,719 the end of the bed until I fell asleep. He got punished from my 29 00:03:49,759 --> 00:03:52,439 mother and father when they found out what he was up to, but he 30 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:59,919 thought it was funny, and that fear stayed with me most of my teenage 31 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,240 years into adulthood. You know, my first boyfriend used to say, how 32 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,719 are you could be afraid of a fantasy? I just can't look at that 33 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:11,159 face, I said, I just can't look at that face. I would 34 00:04:11,199 --> 00:04:15,400 turn chalk white. When that movie was on. So for all of this 35 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:20,439 to happen to me, it's strange of all people. I had this phobia 36 00:04:21,199 --> 00:04:27,519 as a kid, and I would dream, I have dreams for years every 37 00:04:27,639 --> 00:04:32,120 night, same dream, over and over again, being chased on a field 38 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:41,639 of green grass into a giant wall of bushes by a werewolf. And then 39 00:04:41,639 --> 00:04:46,560 I would wake up. And I was terrorized with this for years and the 40 00:04:46,639 --> 00:04:50,199 same dream night after night as a kid. And finally the dreams went away 41 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:57,199 as I got older. But it was a strong phobia. So for this 42 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:01,480 to happen to me out of wall people. But the funny thing is when 43 00:05:01,519 --> 00:05:08,040 I have my encounter, I realized kind of took my phobia away in a 44 00:05:08,079 --> 00:05:12,399 weird way that when I was a kid, it was a monster. You 45 00:05:12,439 --> 00:05:17,519 know, now as an older person saying this, it's an animal, like 46 00:05:17,639 --> 00:05:23,360 you know seeing a tiger or being face to face with a cougar. You 47 00:05:23,399 --> 00:05:27,360 know, it's not a mythical creature. It's a real, love, flesh 48 00:05:27,399 --> 00:05:30,839 animal. And like I said, I love animals. But I'll get into 49 00:05:30,879 --> 00:05:34,240 that later. How I thought it was beautiful when I first saw it, 50 00:05:34,319 --> 00:05:40,879 but shocking, very shocking to see what I saw. You poor thing. 51 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:46,000 Shame on him for putting you through that. That's horrible. He was a 52 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,959 buster. He was a buster, my brother. I'm sure you know, 53 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:53,079 if he knew how much I felt what I went through, he wouldn't have 54 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,319 done it. But I hate even saying it on the show. I hope 55 00:05:56,319 --> 00:06:01,040 he never hears the episode. But he was seven years older than me, 56 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:08,439 so you know, he wasn't much older. So he was a young kid 57 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:13,560 too. You know, boys do crazy things. So yeah, something that 58 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,680 happened. It's something that happened. And as you know, big brothers loved 59 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:23,800 to torment little brothers and little sisters. But still shame on him to go 60 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:29,920 to those measures and to that extent to torment you. That is horrible. 61 00:06:30,399 --> 00:06:32,920 Yeah, I wish he never would have done that. Talking about what he 62 00:06:32,959 --> 00:06:36,560 did to you, how much more difficult do you think your phobia werewolves made 63 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:43,079 dealing with your dog man encounters? Ugh? Well, when it happened, 64 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:49,720 well, I was shocked, completely shocked, trying to grasp what I was 65 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,720 saying. I couldn't believe I was saying what I was saying. My mind 66 00:06:53,759 --> 00:06:59,240 couldn't get around what I was saying at first, but then after hearing a 67 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,879 lot of episodes than other people's encounters. I've realized more and more what I 68 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,920 was dealing with what I did see, and I put a little bit of 69 00:07:06,959 --> 00:07:12,759 fear into me hearing a lot of other episodes that were a lot worse than 70 00:07:12,759 --> 00:07:16,920 mine. I mean, there were a lot of terrifying episodes. Realizing what 71 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:24,000 it is, I was a little bit more fearful and more aware of my 72 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:30,199 surroundings when I do go out. I'm afraid to leave my house at night. 73 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,879 I had to walk from my back door to my car, and there 74 00:07:34,879 --> 00:07:42,160 are woods right behind my house, maybe five to eight feet back. I'd 75 00:07:42,199 --> 00:07:46,800 say about eight feet back is the woodline right behind my house, and it 76 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:51,079 runs back real far, and there's a stream. There's a swamp in a 77 00:07:51,279 --> 00:07:58,800 lake area. And I know it's in there because I'm not far from where 78 00:07:58,839 --> 00:08:03,000 I saw it the first time. So I used to walk around in my 79 00:08:03,079 --> 00:08:05,560 development. I have other family members that live here. I would walk to 80 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:11,160 their house at night. I'm not thinking anything of it, just taking a 81 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:15,240 walk at night in the summertime. Every once in a while, I'd get 82 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,360 a creepy feeling, you know, Oh, I got a heavy home and 83 00:08:18,439 --> 00:08:22,560 start I feel like something's watching me. I was get these creepy feelings sometimes 84 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,639 and I would walk faster, but I never had any encounters. But once 85 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:33,200 that happened, Now you know, if I hear a twig snap behind me, 86 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:35,879 I stop breathing. I catch my breath, like, what was that? 87 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,919 And I'm looking and I'm looking everywhere. You know, when I drive, 88 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:43,279 I look everywhere. So I was obsessed with this for about a year, 89 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,480 non stop, talking about it, trying to figure out what I saw. 90 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,039 I was looking on the internet for pictures. What was this animal? 91 00:08:54,159 --> 00:08:58,159 You know? What was it? Was it a cougar? Was it a 92 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,840 bear? What was this animal? And I didn't see anything that resembled it 93 00:09:01,919 --> 00:09:09,799 other than a were wolf, and I would research different movies. Somebody told 94 00:09:09,799 --> 00:09:13,320 me, oh, there's this movie out about were wolves. Is that what 95 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:18,519 you saw? Dog Man Soldiers? So I put that on and a really 96 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,960 weird thing happened. When I put that on. The movie stopped and your 97 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:28,600 show came up, dog Man Encounters, and that picture of the dog man 98 00:09:28,759 --> 00:09:37,120 in the circle, that black dog man in the circle is almost almost identical 99 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:43,919 to what I saw, with some slight modifications. But I started watching your 100 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,720 episodes and I knew what I saw. Now, this wasn't a cougar. 101 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,120 It wasn't you know, a bear. As a matter of fact, there 102 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:58,080 were sightings of a bear around that time in my community. I'd take a 103 00:09:58,159 --> 00:10:03,600 bus to medical appointments, and I was telling everybody I met, I saw 104 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,480 a werewolf. I saw a werewolf. I saw a werewolf. And the 105 00:10:07,519 --> 00:10:09,320 guy said, oh, no, there were bear sightings in this area. 106 00:10:09,399 --> 00:10:13,399 It was a bear. I said, nah, it was no bear. 107 00:10:13,759 --> 00:10:16,200 It wasn't a bear. Bears don't leap eight foot up in the air. 108 00:10:16,519 --> 00:10:22,960 I did. This was no bear, and it's affected me. You know, 109 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,679 when I go to bed at night, I go lock all my windows. 110 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,000 I used to leave my windows open and let the air in. Now 111 00:10:31,039 --> 00:10:35,679 I locked my windows, I shut my windows down. I locked my doors 112 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:41,120 double padded. I'm looking out the windows at night. If I had come 113 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,639 in late, I'll call my daughter and say, meet me outside. I 114 00:10:43,639 --> 00:10:48,320 don't want to come in by myself. It puts a fear into you. 115 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,679 You know, you're afraid God forbid your If it ever would have looked at 116 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:58,440 me, I think I would have passed out. My episode wasn't as exciting 117 00:10:58,519 --> 00:11:01,879 as a lot of the other ones. I don't think I would have survived 118 00:11:01,919 --> 00:11:11,080 any of those encounters because of that. Phobia had an effect, definitely had 119 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,720 an effect on me. It really is a shame you have to go through 120 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:18,080 all that. That's horrible. But talking about your encounters, Please tell us 121 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:22,039 about them now, Liz, give us a real last detail that comes to 122 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:26,120 mind. Okay, So I used to drive everywhere. I don't have a 123 00:11:26,159 --> 00:11:31,039 car anymore. My car was total, so I walk and I don't live 124 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:35,919 close to stores. It's Hope Chapel Road is the road that I walk down. 125 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:41,399 It's behind my development. This whole area is surrounded by woods with a 126 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:46,440 few houses and here and there. My development was cut out of the woods. 127 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:54,840 So we're surrounded by woods. And I'm a smoker, and it was 128 00:11:54,919 --> 00:11:56,960 getting late and I had to get to the store. And the closest store 129 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:03,200 is a liquor store down Hope Chapel over, So I have to walk out 130 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,559 of my development. And my house, like I said, is backed up 131 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,799 to the woods. So I have to walk all the way through the development 132 00:12:09,879 --> 00:12:13,600 to get out to the road. And then you go down the back road, 133 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:18,000 which is woods on both sides, woods to the left, woods to 134 00:12:18,039 --> 00:12:20,320 the right. Every time I will walk down that road. I look to 135 00:12:20,399 --> 00:12:24,480 the right. One day, coyotes gotta come out of there and bite me. 136 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:28,600 I gotta find another way to get to where I gotta go and keep 137 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:33,120 walking on. Well, this day it was lazy day. I didn't feel 138 00:12:33,159 --> 00:12:35,919 like walking. I knew I had to go. I was running out of 139 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,720 cigarettes. Time was clicking on the clock, and I'm oh, my god, 140 00:12:39,879 --> 00:12:43,720 son's gonna be going down soon. You better get moving. So I 141 00:12:43,799 --> 00:12:48,200 left my house, and I think it was getting dark then early. I 142 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,200 left my house like a quarter to four, and I think by four point 143 00:12:50,159 --> 00:12:56,720 thirty quarter to five, it's already dark. So I'm walking out the development 144 00:12:56,799 --> 00:12:58,559 and I'm walking down this road. I got my iPhone with me, and 145 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,840 I'm listen into music and I look over in the woods to the right, 146 00:13:01,879 --> 00:13:07,039 and I'm looking and I don't see anything. And I'm walking and I'm passing 147 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:11,039 the houses, and then you get into an area where there's woods and no 148 00:13:11,159 --> 00:13:16,360 houses, and then maybe three hundred foot you'll find another house way set back. 149 00:13:16,519 --> 00:13:22,039 I'm walking all the way down and I get like maybe a block before 150 00:13:22,159 --> 00:13:26,440 the liquor store. I'm on a corner and I have to cross that corner 151 00:13:26,879 --> 00:13:30,799 and then there's woods on both sides again, and that's where coyote ran out 152 00:13:30,799 --> 00:13:33,919 one time when I was walking way ahead of me and went to the other 153 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:39,120 sides of the woods right around the same area. Now it's a two lane 154 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:46,480 highway, so it's called Hope Chapel Road or five seventy one. So I'm 155 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,720 walking and the traffic's coming, but it's slowing down now because it's getting later. 156 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:56,559 There's more traffic on the crossroad where the liquor store is, and I'm 157 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:01,240 walking and it's starting to get them, but it's still light out, and 158 00:14:01,919 --> 00:14:07,960 all of a sudden, there was a cornfield right across from the liquor store. 159 00:14:07,279 --> 00:14:09,679 There was no corn there, but it's up on a mount on a 160 00:14:09,759 --> 00:14:16,840 hill, and out of the top of that hill, and it says I 161 00:14:16,879 --> 00:14:22,720 want to mention that the road is four lanes. There's two lanes when you 162 00:14:22,919 --> 00:14:28,039 cross that first street, and the next block before the liquor store, there's 163 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,399 two lanes and a soft shoulder to the road on both sides, so like 164 00:14:31,519 --> 00:14:35,240 maybe five foot on one side and six foot on the other soft shoulder, 165 00:14:35,879 --> 00:14:41,600 then two lanes on both sides, so it's a wide space. So I'm 166 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:46,320 clearing the woods. I come to the corner and out of the top of 167 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:54,039 that cornfield comes this animal flying from the hill, and I'm staring at it. 168 00:14:54,039 --> 00:14:58,639 It landed in the middle of the road, and then it leaped and 169 00:14:58,679 --> 00:15:03,120 went in into the woods on the other side. But this all occurred like 170 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,960 slow motion. I saw it jump out, and it stood in the road 171 00:15:07,039 --> 00:15:11,240 for a minute or two, and then it leaped up and went into the 172 00:15:11,279 --> 00:15:16,919 air. And I was trying to grasp in my head what I was saying, 173 00:15:16,919 --> 00:15:24,440 because I got a side profile of it, and I stopped dead in 174 00:15:24,519 --> 00:15:31,960 my tracks, just stood there. It was like time stood still, like 175 00:15:31,399 --> 00:15:39,600 I was in another reality another I just stood there in shock, staring at 176 00:15:39,639 --> 00:15:45,960 it. It jumped up in the air and leaped. I don't know how 177 00:15:46,039 --> 00:15:50,720 high it went. It went high into the sky with its front legs or 178 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:56,279 arms stretched out and its back legs stretched out. At that point, I 179 00:15:56,399 --> 00:16:00,519 was scanning its body, and it was looking straight ahead as if it was 180 00:16:00,639 --> 00:16:06,159 chasing something, so it didn't see me, but I saw it. As 181 00:16:06,159 --> 00:16:10,600 soon as it came out. I stood dead still, and I stopped breathing, 182 00:16:11,159 --> 00:16:15,840 and then then moved a muscle. I just staring at it, and 183 00:16:15,879 --> 00:16:21,600 I started scanning its body from its head to the back of its body. 184 00:16:21,879 --> 00:16:29,200 And it had a dog's face, like the muzzle of either a bear or 185 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:33,759 a dog, you know, a long muzzle like a dog. It was 186 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:40,360 jet black, shiny, shiny fur. It had hair not here like a 187 00:16:40,519 --> 00:16:44,879 name, was a little longer on its head. Its ears were pointed straight 188 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:52,039 up. His shoulders were massive. Its chest was massive like a body builder, 189 00:16:53,399 --> 00:17:02,080 broad shoulders, a real big, big chest going straight across, and 190 00:17:02,159 --> 00:17:06,680 his chest stood out, and his stomach was up high, and by the 191 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,279 waist it was thin. And then the back legs. I didn't notice the 192 00:17:10,319 --> 00:17:14,400 tail, but I was trying to scan its body as it was going to 193 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:19,400 get every detail of what I was saying. And the legs didn't look right 194 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,880 to me. It didn't look right to me, like there was something off 195 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:27,880 about the legs, like it didn't belong on a dog. The dog's legs 196 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:32,240 are different than that. And then the legs were stretched out, and it 197 00:17:32,279 --> 00:17:37,000 seemed skinny in the waist, and there was skin up on the belly, 198 00:17:38,079 --> 00:17:41,759 and the feet were like big, like a kangaroo. If you would picture 199 00:17:41,759 --> 00:17:47,000 a kangaroo's foot being flat on the ground. The feet were big, and 200 00:17:47,039 --> 00:17:52,039 the legs were like thighs, not like an animal, like the dog animal. 201 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,680 I didn't see if it had claws or nothing, because I didn't have 202 00:17:56,759 --> 00:18:02,880 time to scan his body. I was and then when it was it just 203 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:07,400 came from that cornfield, stood in the middle of the road, a side 204 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,519 profile just like that picture. Then it leaped up into the air and flew 205 00:18:11,599 --> 00:18:15,960 across three lanes and landed in the woods, not on the edge of the 206 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:22,559 woods, in the woods, and it was gone. And I didn't I 207 00:18:23,079 --> 00:18:30,440 realized at that point. I wasn't breathing. I was like just standing there 208 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:36,119 in awe and shock, and it was like as if time stood still. 209 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,440 And I said out loud, I took a step back, and I said 210 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:44,720 to myself, did I just see it? Wear Wolf? I mean, 211 00:18:44,759 --> 00:18:48,680 I didn't know what to think. I didn't know how to process what I 212 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:53,200 saw, and I didn't know what to do. It was going to be 213 00:18:53,279 --> 00:18:59,200 dark at any minute, and I was closer to the store than I was 214 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,720 to go going home, and it seemed as if it was chasing something. 215 00:19:03,759 --> 00:19:08,480 It was preoccupied. And I didn't think about this until later. It knew 216 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:15,200 when the traffic was gone, it had intelligence to know when to come out 217 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:19,680 of that embankment. It knew there was no traffic at that point because the 218 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:26,000 way it dodged out at the top of that embankment, which I'd say, 219 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,759 when you're walking past it, it's about six foot high. The dirt mount 220 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:36,880 is up high, and that's where the cornfield was. It just came flying 221 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:41,279 out of their stood in the middle of the street and then leaped up in 222 00:19:41,319 --> 00:19:48,200 the air, flying through the air. I was like, I couldn't believe 223 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,039 I saw what I saw. And then I didn't know what to do. 224 00:19:52,039 --> 00:19:56,359 Do I go home. No, it's going to be dark by the time 225 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,759 I get down there. What if it goes back. All kinds of thoughts 226 00:19:59,799 --> 00:20:03,240 were on though my head. No, it's probably chasing something and didn't even 227 00:20:03,279 --> 00:20:07,640 see you. So just go to the store as closer as I'm thinking all 228 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:12,400 these things in my head. So I decided to go to the store. 229 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:17,359 And I'm looking at the store and the sun is five foot over the roof 230 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:18,960 of the building. I know once I got in that store and came out, 231 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,240 it was going to be pitch black out and there's very poor lighting. 232 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:27,920 And to come out of there and to pitch black. I had to either 233 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:32,720 make a choice to walk back down the same way I came, which I 234 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:37,799 didn't want to do. What if it decided to come back, or well, 235 00:20:37,839 --> 00:20:40,839 going the other way wasn't a good option either, because now I have 236 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,160 to walk back home the same way it was running. But anyway, I 237 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,039 get it in the liquors store and they must have thought I was drunk coming 238 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:52,680 back for more booze to buy my cigarettes, because I was like, I 239 00:20:52,839 --> 00:20:56,039 just saw a werewolf. You're not gonna believe this. I just saw a 240 00:20:56,079 --> 00:20:59,720 werewolf come out of that where that Quirkfield used to be. You better be 241 00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:02,880 care well when you go to your car. And I'm I'm I'm I can't 242 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,799 believe I just saw that. I just saw it looked like a werewolf. 243 00:21:06,559 --> 00:21:08,440 And they're looking at me like I have ten eyes, you know. But 244 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,119 now I gotta leave, and I got to walk home, and I'm like, 245 00:21:12,279 --> 00:21:15,839 oh my god. There was no one to call, no one around. 246 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:21,119 I didn't have Uber on my phone, I couldn't call for a TAXI. 247 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,319 I'm like, what am I going to do? Well? You better 248 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,440 just hope and pray you make it home. And I never walked so fast 249 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,559 in my life. I swear I was in a marathon race. I walked 250 00:21:30,599 --> 00:21:34,279 like the devil was behind me. I just kept walking and walking, and 251 00:21:34,319 --> 00:21:37,960 then I had to make a left turn when I finally got to a street, 252 00:21:38,039 --> 00:21:45,200 which was pretty far from where I was. Both sides woods get left 253 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,319 and walk down a road that has houses right next to each other. So 254 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,720 if I would have went the other way, would have been a long time 255 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,559 before I got to a house. And the house was set back, So 256 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,400 what was I going to do if I saw it? I probably never would 257 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:03,000 have made it to the door anyway, And I made a left turn at 258 00:22:03,039 --> 00:22:08,480 that street and I started walking home, and all the dogs in that area 259 00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:12,119 that we're living in those houses I was walking past, We're barking, and 260 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:18,279 I'm thinking, oh my god, is this thing. Are they barking because 261 00:22:18,319 --> 00:22:22,480 this is in the area, or are they barking because I'm walking. I 262 00:22:22,519 --> 00:22:26,920 got to my development and I went into what we have a clubhouse, and 263 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,839 I went into the bathroom and washed my face, tried to like recover from 264 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:36,359 walking nine million miles an hour. Waited a few minutes, thinking in my 265 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:40,039 head, well, if this thing is following me or watching me, or 266 00:22:40,079 --> 00:22:45,519 is still around it's gonna think I live here. I was thinking all kinds 267 00:22:45,519 --> 00:22:48,920 of crazy things. I got to get home and I still had a little 268 00:22:49,319 --> 00:22:53,160 ways to go to get to my house. And in the house I went 269 00:22:53,480 --> 00:23:00,640 and I was calling everybody and telling everybody about what I saw. But when 270 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,480 you see something like that, it takes time to even process that you saw 271 00:23:04,519 --> 00:23:08,200 it. And I didn't know what I was seeing. I thought it was 272 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:12,119 a werewolf, and I didn't know anything about dog Man at the time. 273 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:17,359 And I think it was like a couple of days later, after riding the 274 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,119 bus with people I lived with in the community and talking about it, and 275 00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:26,519 one guy said, watch dog Man's Soldiers to see if that's what you saw. 276 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,400 And the other lady said, oh, you saw the Jersey Devil and 277 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,200 I said, no, this was no bear. It was no, I 278 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,000 don't know what it was. And somebody said, watch that movie, see 279 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,880 if that's what you saw. So I'm trying to watch were wolf movies to 280 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:45,880 see if I could match this animal with anything. And during watching this movie, 281 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,359 I find the dog Man Soldiers I think the name of the movie was. 282 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:56,000 In the middle of the movie stops and on the screenpop the music starts 283 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,000 playing, dog man encounters, and I'm like, how did that happen? 284 00:24:00,079 --> 00:24:03,799 And I must have accidentally hit my remote, you know, And I didn't 285 00:24:03,799 --> 00:24:07,000 know what it was. I thought it was part of the movie or something. 286 00:24:07,039 --> 00:24:12,200 I didn't know. And I started watching it and I started hearing somebody's 287 00:24:12,319 --> 00:24:18,279 encounter and I'm like, oh my god, that's what it was. That's 288 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:23,200 what I saw. A dog man. They're here in New Jersey. And 289 00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:26,400 I kept thinking, well, I don't hear anybody talking about New Jersey. 290 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,599 You know, maybe I'll hear somebody talking about New Jersey. But listening to 291 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,880 other people's stories, I mean, they don't even compare with mine. I 292 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:40,279 don't know what I would do if I was it turned around and looked at 293 00:24:40,319 --> 00:24:45,119 me, I probably would have screamed and started running. I don't know what 294 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:51,240 I would have did. But when it happened, it was as if time 295 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,599 stood still, and it wasn't long. It didn't take long, and only 296 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,319 stood in the street for a minute or two and then leaped. And when 297 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,680 it was in mis there, it was like everything was in slow motion. 298 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:11,319 I was standing perfectly still, scanning its body from its nose to its backside, 299 00:25:11,839 --> 00:25:15,960 and its legs were stretched out and its arms were stretched out. I 300 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,359 didn't have time to see the claws or the hands. I didn't see that. 301 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:27,440 I just saw his chest and his shoulders. I'm massive, and I 302 00:25:27,519 --> 00:25:30,359 was trying to figure out how tall was that, How big was that? 303 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:36,519 I matched that up against and there's a stop sign on the corner. It 304 00:25:36,599 --> 00:25:41,799 was bigger than the stop sign. And I was telling people about it, 305 00:25:41,839 --> 00:25:45,240 but they thought I was crazy. You know. I did not stop talking 306 00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:51,319 about this ever since it happened. And then I started thinking and telling my 307 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,680 daughter, and my daughter says, man, I don't believe you. You 308 00:25:53,799 --> 00:25:56,279 know, I don't believe you. May have to see it to believe it. 309 00:25:56,319 --> 00:25:59,599 And I said, I swear to God, I saw this. It's 310 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,000 a real animal. It's not a man that turns into will wear a wolf 311 00:26:03,079 --> 00:26:07,960 into the middle of the night when the moon is full. It's an animal. 312 00:26:07,759 --> 00:26:11,599 It was an animal, and away it was beautiful. The color of 313 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:18,359 it was beautiful. It was like a shiny black like a cougar. But 314 00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:23,960 the shape of its body and that slight hump on its back. Except for 315 00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:27,720 that picture, that hump is bigger than the one I saw. The one 316 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:33,400 I saw was a little bit lower on its back, and the fur around 317 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,000 the head was a little bit longer, kind of like a shirtning that went 318 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:42,359 slightly over the shoulders, and the shoulders the top of the shoulders were huge. 319 00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:48,400 And then I saw his under his chest stuck out and it was wide. 320 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:56,200 And then it got real skinny and up high towards its belly and skinny 321 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,160 at the waist, and then it had like by the buttox area, the 322 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:06,680 leg area. It was not fat, but didn't belong on a dog. 323 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,119 It didn't belong on an animal, and the legs were stretched out long, 324 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,680 so maybe that's why they looked skinny. But the one I saw, I 325 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:21,839 didn't have as much muscle mask in the legs, but that could have been 326 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,400 because it was stretched out. And I'm telling my daughter this story, and 327 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,000 she knows about all my strange things that happened to me, and she goes, 328 00:27:30,039 --> 00:27:33,759 do you ever think, Ma, that maybe you had an encounter with 329 00:27:33,839 --> 00:27:37,799 this thing before that's why you had a fear, not just because of Danny 330 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:42,319 scaring you, but maybe something happened. And I thought back to when I 331 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:47,039 was a kid, I did have an experience my mother. I was about 332 00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:52,279 eleven years old. My mother had to have back surgery and it was a 333 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,880 serious surgery. So my father sent me over to my mother's brother, my 334 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:02,160 uncle's house to stay there for a while until my mother came back from the 335 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,359 hospital. And the surgery was real serious, and my father told me my 336 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:11,799 mother could be paralyzed if the surgery doesn't go right. So that night over 337 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,680 my uncle's house, I slept in my cousin's room. She was younger than 338 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,400 me, and I had to stay there for about a week. It was 339 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:25,000 the summertime, and there was a window on the second floor with the curtain 340 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:30,960 the wind blowing, and the curtain was blowing in and out of the window, 341 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,839 and I'm laying in bed, and I'm thinking about my mother and what 342 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,200 would life be if my mother was not able to walk anymore. And I 343 00:28:38,279 --> 00:28:41,839 was worrying about her, and I couldn't sleep. I was trying to sleep, 344 00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:47,200 but I couldn't sleep worrying about her. And I turned on my side 345 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,039 and I looked at my cousin, which was in a twin bed and laying 346 00:28:49,119 --> 00:28:53,160 next to me, and I was laughing at her because of the way she 347 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,880 was sleeping. She had her two arms folded, her head on her arms, 348 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:03,119 and her butt stayed looking straight up in the air with her legs underneath 349 00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:06,000 her stomach. And I'm looking at her, laughing, how does this kid 350 00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:10,440 sleep like that? And I was uncomfortable, you know, trying to sleep, 351 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:15,920 so I turned face in the window and there was this thing over the 352 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:25,039 bed with these claws and these teeth open and like kind of smiling, like 353 00:29:25,079 --> 00:29:30,519 they said at me over my bed. And I screamed, bloody murder and 354 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:36,519 put my head in my pillow and my blanket over my head. And my 355 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,680 aunt came running in the room and she said, you're dreaming, your dreaming, 356 00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:44,279 wake up. Well, she had a pride me out of that pillow. 357 00:29:44,319 --> 00:29:48,240 I was not giving that pillow up. I was screaming, get it 358 00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:52,160 away from me, get it away from me. As I go back and 359 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:57,319 I think about things like have I had other encounters and never realized it, 360 00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:03,000 you know, because I I heard a story that it climbed up a building 361 00:30:03,079 --> 00:30:07,079 and it was on a rooftop. And in my development, I have a 362 00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:12,640 cousin that lives here. Because I would go back and think and think my 363 00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:17,920 cousin lives here. And I used to ride a bicycle because I don't have 364 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,359 a car, and I left the bicycle on her porch, and I went 365 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,400 over to get the bicycle, and we were sitting outside smoking, talking and 366 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,279 then I was going to take the bike and go. She went back into 367 00:30:27,319 --> 00:30:30,440 the house, locked the door, and went in the bathroom. I didn't 368 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,920 know she was in the bathroom because I tried to get in a few minutes 369 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,799 later and she wasn't opening the door. I got the bike and I started 370 00:30:37,799 --> 00:30:41,799 to go off the porch on the bike, and I heard this growl or 371 00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:48,240 this deep vibrating growl, and there's a dog around here somewhere. Where's this 372 00:30:48,359 --> 00:30:52,000 dog? And I'm looking for a dog. This was before I had the 373 00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:56,400 dog Man encounter. I'm looking under the car. Where's this dog? It 374 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:02,000 sounds like it's huge. I went back, banging on the door, banging 375 00:31:02,039 --> 00:31:06,200 on the door corner. She's not opening the door. I jumped on that 376 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,839 bicycle like the Wicked Witch and the Wizard of Ours. I was peddling so 377 00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:12,880 fast to get away from that area. Because I didn't see it. All 378 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,359 I could do was hear it, And I'm thinking, well, was that 379 00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:23,279 the dog man? I'm like later on, thinking well, I've heard people 380 00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:29,200 say that when it growls it by breach your chest. Well, that's kind 381 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,119 of how this ground was. It was very deep and made you think the 382 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,759 dog was huge, like I was dealing with a I don't know, a 383 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,039 massive somewhere. But I couldn't I couldn't see it. Never dawned to me. 384 00:31:41,079 --> 00:31:44,799 Maybe it was on the roof, or maybe it was in the woods. 385 00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:48,559 Maybe it was there and I didn't see it. Like I said, 386 00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:51,319 I used to walking around here all the time. I did a lot of 387 00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:55,960 walking to stores that were further than the liquor store at night, coming home 388 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,720 with the woods on both sides, having a creepy feeling like something is watching 389 00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:05,640 me the entire time I walked. And that was miles from here, you 390 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,200 know, just going back and back. And when I was kid, I 391 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:13,559 wouldn't sleep in my room unless I drew the curtains. I used to hear 392 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,720 tapping on my glass window when I was younger, and that was in the 393 00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:22,039 same town where I had that episode over my aunt's house. Now, the 394 00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:25,400 logical thing is I did fall asleep and it was a nightmare. I'll never 395 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:32,599 know. But after hearing all these stories, they more kind of in line 396 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:38,240 with the dog man that I never knew existed until that day, and it 397 00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:43,440 could be that I was just afraid and I did fall asleep, and my 398 00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:46,920 imagination because of fear. I'll never know. But I did hear a growl 399 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:52,240 over my cousin's house, which isn't far from where my house is, in 400 00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:57,160 the same development, which is right up against those woods that is at that 401 00:32:57,359 --> 00:33:02,839 highway. So right behind those woods is Hope Chapel Road of five point seventy 402 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:08,359 one where it came out of. And then I heard stories that the Doorgman 403 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:15,519 has been seen in Jackson at an old abandoned brick factory, so it's in 404 00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:19,440 this area. My daughter tells me a story. She went to wah Wah, 405 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,319 which is another story around here, and the kids ride those dirt bikes 406 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,519 back in the woods in the summertime. You could hear the motors running in 407 00:33:25,559 --> 00:33:30,079 them going back in the woods with it. She said, these two kids 408 00:33:30,119 --> 00:33:36,720 came into wah Wah and wanted them to call a police because a werewolf chased 409 00:33:36,759 --> 00:33:39,400 them out of the woods. And she came home and told me that night 410 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:45,200 she goes, my I owe you an apology. So after hearing all these 411 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:53,359 other stories and realizing exactly what it was. It's just made me in a 412 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:59,599 way. It's good because I know what I'm dealing with. But this animal 413 00:33:59,799 --> 00:34:07,079 is like I would compare it to walking in the Serengetti without being in your 414 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:15,000 jeep and coming across a tiger or a rhino. It's big, it's powerful, 415 00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:19,440 it's real, it's flesh of blood. It's an animal, and animals 416 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:24,159 can be unpredictable, So that's the fear behind it. It's unpredictable. But 417 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:30,280 the view I got of it wasn't very threatening because I didn't think it saw 418 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:35,280 me. But then I thought, well, maybe it followed me as I 419 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,440 was walking down that road. You know, maybe it was aware I was 420 00:34:38,519 --> 00:34:43,599 there and it came out right in front of me to let me know it 421 00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:47,039 was there. I didn't feel threatened by it because it didn't look at me 422 00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:52,320 and I didn't think it saw me. The good thing is I know there's 423 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:59,199 no such things as I don't believe in windigoes, men turning into werewolves, 424 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,639 and it sought me a lesson that there's so much we don't know about the 425 00:35:02,639 --> 00:35:08,239 world that we're living in. You know what else is out there? Yeah, 426 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:13,760 it's like where wolfs are real, but it's an animal. It's not 427 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,239 a man that turns into a wolf when the moon is full. It's not 428 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:22,239 all that spooky stuff. It's a real animal. I thought it was beautiful 429 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:28,039 when I saw it, because it was magnificent. It was like so powerful. 430 00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:31,400 I wouldn't sit on my back porch anymore. I used to go out 431 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:36,719 and sit on the back porch at night, smoke my cigarettes, watch movies 432 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,960 on my phone, my iPad. I won't do that no more because it 433 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,840 could come from the middle of those woods and be on my back deck in 434 00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:52,000 seconds. It's super fast, super powerful. That's the scary thing about it 435 00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:59,280 is that we're not the top of the food chain. And when you look 436 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,079 at this, you know you're not the top of the food chain anymore. 437 00:36:02,119 --> 00:36:07,360 There's something out there bigger and better than you as a human. But you 438 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:13,400 know, I've heard stories episodes where that one guy killed it, and I 439 00:36:14,039 --> 00:36:16,599 don't know if that's true or not, but he said he killed it. 440 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,239 He went in there to get a second look at it, and he wound 441 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,480 up hunting it down and killing it. Now that broke my heart. I 442 00:36:23,519 --> 00:36:29,000 won't want to see them people going out trying to kill them or like I 443 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,440 said, I'm an animal lover. It's an animal. It's just an animal. 444 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:37,880 The scary thing is animals can be unpredictable. I know it has some 445 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:43,400 form of intelligence because it knew when to come out, Like there was a 446 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,880 car that went and a car that went, and then the traffic slowed down, 447 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:51,000 and when there was no traffic on either side of the road, it 448 00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:57,159 came out. So it was it knew when to come out. I thought 449 00:36:57,199 --> 00:37:01,159 it was chasing something, so it was preoccupied. It didn't notice me. 450 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:07,559 So that's the only thing that made me go forward to I thought that it's 451 00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:10,880 probably long gone. But when you're walking in the dark, you're hoping it's 452 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,280 long gone. You don't know is it around you. All these thoughts are 453 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:20,639 going through your hat as you're going home. Sometimes I think I'd like to 454 00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:23,320 see it at a long distance to get a better look at it. But 455 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:28,079 then again, people said that the faces were scary. Some of them looked 456 00:37:28,119 --> 00:37:31,079 like hyenas, And I know there's different types from watching the show, but 457 00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:36,400 I don't know what the different types are. Anyway, I've been trying to 458 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,960 forget about it because I'm obsessed about it. Over the last year and a 459 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,000 half couldn't get it out of my mind. I haven't had any nightmares, 460 00:37:44,519 --> 00:37:47,360 but I still get a little spooked and shut my windows. I walk my 461 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:53,239 windows. I don't sleep with the windows open anymore. Like I said, 462 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:58,440 I'm a little free to go out to my car at night if I hear 463 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,920 a branch crack it behind me, and you know, I'm holding my breath, 464 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,519 I'm looking over my shoulder. That's the kind of fear it could put 465 00:38:06,519 --> 00:38:08,280 into you when you say it, because it's bigger and batter than you. 466 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:15,519 And that's the fear. It's bigger and better than you. So you just 467 00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:20,760 don't know. And that's the thing that scares me. You just don't know. 468 00:38:21,519 --> 00:38:23,960 I mean, it didn't hurt me. It could have swiped my head 469 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:29,159 off in a flash. I mean, you know, it could have seen 470 00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:32,760 me, or walked where, followed me on the way home. I don't 471 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:37,599 know these things, but all these other things that happened to me kind of 472 00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:42,880 fit in line with the dog man. And then I said, well, 473 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,760 you know, being in a suburban area, you know, maybe that was 474 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:51,480 a dream. But then I've heard a story about it being in an apartment 475 00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:57,440 development with high rise apartment buildings there's two kids playing basketball and it's jumping on 476 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,199 the roof. It was on the roof. Another woman that said she saw 477 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:05,719 it on her balcony. She lived way high up on it. It could 478 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:10,440 scale up the walls. I believe it could jump. My roof is what 479 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:17,440 maybe eight foot nine foot and the roof is there. It's in a what 480 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,800 do they call that a ranch? A live in a ranch house, So 481 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,719 the roof isn't four from the ground. So when I was over my cousin's 482 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:30,960 house, hers is lined up against the liver right up behind that highway where 483 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:36,280 we saw it. And then my daughter's girlfriend owns a farm in Jackson and 484 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,480 they've been having sightings of the dog man over there. It's killed chickens in 485 00:39:40,519 --> 00:39:45,599 the barn. I told her to get in touch with you, Vic and 486 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:51,599 tell her your story. But that's about it. But something else surely never 487 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:57,599 forget Oh, I'm sure you never will forget it. If you've had a 488 00:39:57,639 --> 00:40:00,079 dog mean an encounter, I would like to speak with me about it, 489 00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:04,760 whether in private or on the show. Please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and 490 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,440 submit a report. If you've had a bigfoot sighting and would like to be 491 00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:12,280 a guest on one of my two bigfoot shows. Please go to my Bigfoot 492 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:16,280 sighting dot com and let me know. Please don't lose sight of the fact, 493 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:21,719 Liz, that the fact that you're still here intact, unharmed has nothing 494 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,880 to do with you locking your windows and locking your doors and closing your windows 495 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:30,079 at night and not sitting out on the porch and all the things you've done. 496 00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:32,760 You're here because it doesn't want to harm you. If I wanted to 497 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:37,519 harm you, none of those things would have stopped it. But the good 498 00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:40,320 news is, like I told you the first time we spoke, it's proven 499 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,760 with his own actions that it doesn't want to harm you. I'm not going 500 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,519 to say all dogmen are safe to be around, but that one proved with 501 00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:52,559 his own actions that it does not want to harm you. So please never 502 00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:57,280 lose sight of that fact. Yeah, that's true. That makes me relaxed 503 00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,239 when I think about it. But you know, it's like, I don't 504 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,280 know if I want to see it again. I don't know, Maybe I 505 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,760 should to get out. Like they say that wolfman phobia fear, I mean 506 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:12,960 that followed me into my thirties. Thirty years old, it was still terrified 507 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:20,480 and just turned seventy last week, so I'm very active for my age, 508 00:41:21,639 --> 00:41:24,960 doing all the walking I do. It's just shocking, you know, in 509 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:30,480 a good kind of way, kind of like eliminated the phobia and brought it 510 00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:35,880 into a real living creature that's, you know, a nightmare monster. This 511 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,719 is an animal like a tiger, and I love tigers. I think tigers 512 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:45,880 are the most magnificent animal God created. They're so beautiful. I kind of 513 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,320 when I got to look at this, I put that in that category. 514 00:41:49,519 --> 00:41:53,719 It was beautiful. The color of its fur was gorgeous. The creepy thing 515 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:59,840 was the slight hump on its back, the size of the shoulders, and 516 00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:07,159 I kind of don't I was when it jumped out of the cornfield it stood 517 00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:09,320 in the road, But I don't have a clear picture of that because I 518 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:17,079 was in complete shock at that point, trying to grasp what I was looking 519 00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:22,519 at. What am I seeing? But when I saw that picture, that 520 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:27,920 was what it was. But I don't have a clear, crisp memory of 521 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,880 it because my mind was still trying to get behind what I was saying, 522 00:42:31,519 --> 00:42:37,920 and I wasn't dead focused scanning its body from every inch of his body at 523 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:43,800 that moment because it just happened in a flash. But that's what it looked 524 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:49,440 like, because the shape of it is exactly how it was, the huge 525 00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:54,440 chest, shoulders, And where did you ever see this in your life? 526 00:42:54,519 --> 00:42:58,280 You've never seen anything like. Growing up, you went to a farm, 527 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,440 you so chickens, cows go to you know, you go to a safari 528 00:43:01,519 --> 00:43:06,480 place, a great adventure. You see a giraffe, to rhino. You 529 00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:12,719 know, there's cougars and lions and tigers and bears. This doesn't fit into 530 00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:20,280 our knowledge of animals. But my impression of it when I first saw it 531 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:25,760 was it was magnificent, but creepy because it kind of resembled the man from 532 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:35,400 the top up its chest like a bodybuilder, huge rib cage, massive. 533 00:43:36,519 --> 00:43:42,400 It was nothing that exists except for in horror movies. You see these in 534 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:47,639 horror movies. Kind of does look like not dovemn soldiers. They were hairy 535 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:53,440 and more matted and not pretty. This was perfect, It's fair, was 536 00:43:53,559 --> 00:43:58,559 gorgeous. It was I compare it to a little bit longer than a black 537 00:43:58,639 --> 00:44:05,320 panther that black sheen to it. And I love dogs and I love cats, 538 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,840 an animal lover. But if it turned around would it mean hyena face, 539 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:15,159 So I think I would have passed out. I don't think I would 540 00:44:15,159 --> 00:44:20,320 have handled that too good. But the point that I saw the view of 541 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:24,239 it, you know, it just I was in awe. You're just and 542 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:30,400 you feel like time stands still. It's as if you're in a time warp, 543 00:44:30,679 --> 00:44:37,480 like everything slowed down except for my eyeball scanning that and my brain trying 544 00:44:37,519 --> 00:44:45,320 to comprehend what I was saying, you're just in shock, getting shocked. 545 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:52,199 But you know, like I said, as I've learned about it, ugh, 546 00:44:52,159 --> 00:44:55,159 you know I wouldn't want to come into a confrontation with it. I 547 00:44:55,239 --> 00:45:00,440 guess it could if it wants to get me, it could get me leash. 548 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:07,199 I just don't want to put myself into position to have him make the 549 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:12,840 decision. So if I stay out of its way, that decision won't have 550 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,800 to be made. But it could have took me out in a heartbeat that 551 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:20,199 night, if it was still in the area and it was following me or 552 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,800 watching me. Uh yeah, I mean there was no way, you know, 553 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,519 I would have been able to get out of that. No way. 554 00:45:28,519 --> 00:45:30,679 He couldn't get to a door taster, and I think could get to you 555 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:37,519 where. There was miles that I walked that day to get home, so 556 00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:39,840 and it was pitch black out, nobody would have seen anything. I just 557 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:45,760 would have disappeared. So I think there were some of them that might be 558 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:52,920 very dangerous and some of them that really aren't interested in us. I'm just 559 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:59,800 wondering why they're coming in society, Like they're coming out of the woods and 560 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:06,039 I haven't noticed. I usually see more animals back here. I've seen wild 561 00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:12,440 turkeys come out of the woods and deer, possums, raccoons. I have 562 00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:15,840 not seen one raccoon. I have not seen one turkey wild turkey. I 563 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:21,039 have not seen deer. You know, I'm wondering, are they running out 564 00:46:21,039 --> 00:46:27,000 of food and they're looking for food in our communities. It seems like there's 565 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,960 more and more sightings of them. They're getting bolder and bolder and coming into 566 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:37,400 our world more so that itself is a little scary, only because of the 567 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:42,440 power behind them, keeping up with cars, running next to a car. 568 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:49,039 It's unbelievable. Everything about these guys is scary. Yeah, you know, 569 00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:54,159 I mean it's really they're very powerful animals. I've seen that within the first 570 00:46:54,199 --> 00:47:00,760 few seconds. I mean, the length that it jumped was unbelievable, you 571 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,320 know, the only animal that would have that kind of power. And I 572 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,719 wouldn't even say I had that much power. I don't know how far tiger 573 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:12,119 could leap, or a cougar, but this, the power behind it is 574 00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:17,119 just unbelievable. The strength in it and how fast it moves. It's just 575 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,679 there's nothing that we could compare it to. I thought cougar. You know, 576 00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:28,880 maybe a cougar could move that fast, but doesn't have the same chest, 577 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:35,559 head, same kind of fur, maybe little shorter, same color. 578 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,119 But I sometimes I wish I saw its face, and I'm kind of glad 579 00:47:39,159 --> 00:47:45,360 I didn't because I'm sure if you did get to see the eyes, you'd 580 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:50,239 never get that out of your head, just never get it out of your 581 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:54,880 mind to see those teeth. And if eyes that they saw, I don't. 582 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,039 I don't know. I think I would have. They would have had 583 00:47:58,039 --> 00:48:01,800 a somebody would have found me lying on the side of the road out cold. 584 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:06,840 I think if it turned around and I saw that, I think I 585 00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:12,519 would have went out cold, no no doubt. And then again I don't 586 00:48:12,519 --> 00:48:15,119 know, and maybe I wouldn't have because like I said, it kind of 587 00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:21,559 took the phobia away. Not a monster or Hollywood produced monster. It's a 588 00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:27,880 real animal and it exists in our world. We'll just have to learn how 589 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:35,719 to find out more about it and hope that it doesn't want us. I 590 00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:42,159 don't know, try to process it. It's really part the process it normally 591 00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,599 is. And that makes two of us who are so glad that it didn't 592 00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:49,960 turn to look at you. I think I would have went out cold, 593 00:48:50,599 --> 00:48:53,440 lights out. That's it, game over. If I would have saw that 594 00:48:54,159 --> 00:48:58,719 grollying in my face like some of these people had turned in front of you, 595 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,400 I think, oh my god, I don't know. You know, 596 00:49:01,519 --> 00:49:05,880 my old fear would have came back, like the night in the bedroom when 597 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:10,000 I was a kid. That was horrific, and I swore for years I 598 00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:15,119 was not sleeping and I was looking in books when I was younger, because 599 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:20,840 you know, but it's a demon. Coming from a Catholic background, you 600 00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,440 know, it's a demon. I saw a demon. No, it's not 601 00:49:23,559 --> 00:49:27,800 what it looked like. Trying to figure that out when I was a kid. 602 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,000 Then the logical explanation is I did fall asleep and I had a dream, 603 00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:37,199 a nightmare. What animal is gonna jump on a roof and come in 604 00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:42,039 the window. Till you heard dog man encounters and how they bothered little children 605 00:49:42,119 --> 00:49:45,480 and they tap on the glass. They've been in people's homes. I'm like, 606 00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:52,400 oh my god, was that real? Who knows could have been? 607 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:58,360 I saw it. I saw the real deal. And that's what even made 608 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:02,679 it stranger for me because I had a phobia my whole life. It's like, 609 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:07,960 either I'm insane or I saw this, and I know I'm not crazy. 610 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:13,559 I did see this, and other people have seen the same exact thing, 611 00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:19,920 So either it's mass hallucination or it's happening. When I tell my daughter 612 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,360 and everybody, don't go into the woods, don't do that. Stay out 613 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:28,800 of the woods. And that's why I told people stay out of the woods. 614 00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:34,679 Why take the chance? What if you're run into one that's not friendly, 615 00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,119 you can't escape that. M M. I think it jump on you 616 00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:45,199 and kill you just from its size, forget about the clause. Just the 617 00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:52,960 size of it would knock you out. Amazing. It's just it was amazing, 618 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:57,519 and everybody wants to see it after you hear the story. But if 619 00:50:57,559 --> 00:50:59,400 you see it, you're never going to get it out of your head. 620 00:51:00,199 --> 00:51:06,320 You know, it's I don't know, you know, makes you wonder about 621 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,079 the world you're living in. It does make you wonder about the world we 622 00:51:09,159 --> 00:51:13,119 live in. But I'll tell you this though, Liz, I am so 623 00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,800 glad you're talking about this. This is never going to give you the warm 624 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:20,079 and fuzzies, but I'm so glad you are talking about it because it's all 625 00:51:20,119 --> 00:51:24,960 about exposure when it comes to you healing from these experiences. So while it's 626 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:29,039 not comfortable to do so, you are going to grow from this. So 627 00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:34,159 please don't lose sight of that fact. I'm still unclear on this though. 628 00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:38,880 Did that encounter happen close to the pine barrens or inside them? Well, 629 00:51:39,039 --> 00:51:43,599 we're part of the pine barrens, but we're not in the middle or lake. 630 00:51:44,199 --> 00:51:47,800 It's it's strange. We have a lot of woods. We're in the 631 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:52,360 pine barren area. I mean it is the pine barrens, but it's not 632 00:51:52,639 --> 00:51:59,039 deep into the pine barrens. Like I know, there's a naval BA Lakers, 633 00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:04,440 naval based Bill Air Force is right down the road and that goes back 634 00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:12,599 for I think through another state. It goes like far far back the odding 635 00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,920 talking about the naval base is a couple of years back. I think I 636 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:23,039 told you this before about the helicopters. There were helicopters, Black op helicopters 637 00:52:23,079 --> 00:52:30,960 flying all around in the woods behind me. They were there all day and 638 00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:36,960 part of the night, like these spotlights in the woods, up and down, 639 00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,400 back and forth. And there's like a swamp right behind me. It's 640 00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:45,199 like a stream from a lake that's been blocked by the beavers. They put 641 00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:51,719 a dam in up at that lake and we got like a little stream back 642 00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:57,119 here, and it's very swampy back there. Somebody that lived in this development 643 00:52:57,199 --> 00:53:00,639 years ago went walking in there and never came out. They couldn't find them. 644 00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,639 I remember when I moved in, my neighbor told me, don't go 645 00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,719 walking back in those woods. What did I do? I went walking back 646 00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,280 in those woods when I first moved in, I walked in there for miles. 647 00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:16,280 So there's a lot of woods on these helicopters. What we heard where 648 00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:23,519 they were surveying the land. But you know, the Army Black Ops helicopters, 649 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:30,599 they were the ones flying all back in that wooded area, And I 650 00:53:30,679 --> 00:53:36,199 kept thinking to myself, they're looking for something, or maybe they're playing military 651 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,840 war games or something back there. But that's not normal. I mean, 652 00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:44,880 it was day and night, those helicopters, the noise, they kept going 653 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,159 looking for it like that. They don't do that at night survey land. 654 00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:52,000 And something was up back there in those woods. And I think they know 655 00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:55,599 about it, but they're not saying anything. They're not letting the public know 656 00:53:55,679 --> 00:54:01,199 about it. I think there's something something going on with the military and these 657 00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:06,920 animals. I don't know, but it was strange. I thought that was 658 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,119 strange. And that was long before my encounter, a couple of years before 659 00:54:09,159 --> 00:54:17,159 my encounter. As far as the Pine barrens go. There's where town what 660 00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:22,800 was that Whiting, very heavily wooded area. I was going to make a 661 00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:28,679 video of the area and send it to you. How there's like miles of 662 00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:34,800 woods that go back Jackson. It goes all the way down to Atlantic City. 663 00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:43,039 Past Atlantic City, that's the Pine barrens. This is like where in 664 00:54:43,079 --> 00:54:46,480 the Pine barrens. But the beginning of the pine barrens, not the end 665 00:54:46,519 --> 00:54:50,760 of it, like the middle of it or the midst of it. We're 666 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:57,079 on the beginning of it, and then if you go continue you're deep into 667 00:54:57,119 --> 00:55:02,119 the pines like if you keep going pissed Whiting and down that way, then 668 00:55:02,119 --> 00:55:08,039 you're into the midst of the pine Tupperton and not far from us topper Tin, 669 00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:14,039 and that's the pine barrens. Yeah, they say the Jersey Devil's in 670 00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:16,079 there. That's what everybody was telling me. I saw the Jersey devil. 671 00:55:16,519 --> 00:55:20,679 So this was no Jersey devil. It was an animal. Looked like a 672 00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:28,239 wolf. Looked like a werewolf. Looked exactly like a werewolf, but less 673 00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:32,920 scary. Not a monster, an animal. The only thing scary about it 674 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:37,679 is it looks part man, part human. The body, the chest, 675 00:55:37,039 --> 00:55:44,000 the shoulders, and the stomach looked like the dog's stomach. You know how 676 00:55:44,119 --> 00:55:49,840 dog has skin on its stomach. The stomach was like a beige tan color 677 00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:57,039 a pie and like almost like what kind of the dog is it? A 678 00:55:57,159 --> 00:56:02,480 Doberman pincher where the chest is out and then the stomach is up high and 679 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:07,679 it's got a skinny waste that's the kind of angle like it was skinny in 680 00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:14,599 the waste area a pie and its chest was out massive and I'm like, 681 00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:19,119 oh my god, so we're part of the pine barrens. I'd say, 682 00:56:19,199 --> 00:56:22,280 yeah, I said, we're part of the pine barrens. The Pine Beering 683 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,719 sure are a strange place. It really is hard to say what you might 684 00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:30,000 run into in that place. And I guess you found out the hard way 685 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,360 about that. Well. Yeah, I mean, you know, you hear 686 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:37,039 all kinds of crazy things, and the weird New Jersey tells all kinds of 687 00:56:37,079 --> 00:56:43,320 backwoods stories and stuff. And I'm not one to go looking for that kind 688 00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,079 of stuff either, deary. I'm just going to the store to get my 689 00:56:46,159 --> 00:56:52,360 cigarettes and bam, I'm in the midst of a story. It's just like, 690 00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,599 what else is in this world that we don't know about. It's just 691 00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,400 you're living in a different world that I grew up in. Who know this 692 00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:06,719 animal existed? Like what other animals are out there? And you see all 693 00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:10,320 these stories on YouTube. I watching them now, these other things that are 694 00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:15,119 out there, and it's like, I don't know, you know, I'm 695 00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:19,119 a skeptic to I don't know if there's a man walking around that looks like 696 00:57:19,159 --> 00:57:22,320 a lizard or somebody that looks like the goat. I never saw any of 697 00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:27,320 that. But after saying a werewolf, who knows what's out there? I 698 00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:31,440 mean, it's just not the same world. I thought I was living in 699 00:57:32,679 --> 00:57:38,400 It's shocking, and there's no way to express the shock of it. It 700 00:57:38,639 --> 00:57:45,119 just doesn't belong in your vocabulary of your world that you live in. It 701 00:57:45,159 --> 00:57:50,960 doesn't fit. It's not normal, you know, it's out of the norm. 702 00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:55,079 But like they say, they've been around since the eighteen hundreds and beyond, 703 00:57:55,719 --> 00:58:01,360 and they're on every continent, and they are over the place that there 704 00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:08,480 was a story I've found after saying nests and hearing about the Beast of Briar 705 00:58:08,679 --> 00:58:14,679 Road and all different stories. So this thing has been seen all over the 706 00:58:14,719 --> 00:58:17,159 place, and I thought only well, maybe in Wisconsin, you know, 707 00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:22,719 but never in New Jersey. And I'm like waiting for other people to come 708 00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:27,360 on the show that are from New Jersey and tell their story, because they're 709 00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:31,000 definitely here. And so I don't know if they travel like from state to 710 00:58:31,079 --> 00:58:37,119 state or and it seems to be that there's a lot of them. I 711 00:58:37,159 --> 00:58:43,760 mean, it's not like one or two they go on packs. Because Leanne 712 00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:49,599 said that these kids they're being seen by the old abandoned brick factory it's called 713 00:58:49,599 --> 00:58:54,800 in Jackson, And I'm on the cusp of Lakers Jackson Whiting right on the 714 00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:59,239 cusp of all of them, which is the beginning of the pine barrens. 715 00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:04,840 So it's a lot of pine lands here, a lot. I'm not sure 716 00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,239 if you knew it. But about three four shows ago the guests came on 717 00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:13,280 and talked about encounters he had in the pine appearance as well. Oh really, 718 00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,000 yeah, his name is Mike all Antonio. He's a good man, 719 00:59:16,039 --> 00:59:20,840 and if you want, I can put you into contact with him. Yeah, 720 00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,400 that'd be great. Absolutely. I like to hear somebody else, you 721 00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:27,800 know, from my area, because you fell alone, you know, I 722 00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,840 know well, she said, these kids, And when the kids came in, 723 00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:35,800 the clerk had said, oh, that's a doork man, like he 724 00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,280 knew about it. So she goes, yeah, the clerk told him it's 725 00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:45,360 a dorg man. Watch doork man encounter. See vic words out. I 726 00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:50,320 guess it is. Yeah, it sounds like you did now. The clerk, 727 00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,639 yeah, knew all about you. He said, Oh, it's talk 728 00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:58,760 man. I told the police officer my daughter got stopped. I forget what 729 00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,960 for not platting our winch wipers on one night coming home, and then I 730 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:06,880 said to the cop, have you heard any reports about any animals? It's 731 01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:10,760 like it was never off of my mind. It's there, It's part of 732 01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:15,239 me now, this experience. It's like when I was a kid, that 733 01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,679 stayed with me forever. This is gonna stay with me until the end. 734 01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:22,239 I think I'll get all the answers when I'm not around anymore, when I 735 01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:27,880 move on to other pastors, I'll have all the answers. But there's just 736 01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,559 a lot about this world we don't know about. We don't know what's right 737 01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:36,880 here. I don't know if they were modified animals by the government, but 738 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,480 they say they've been around since the eighteen hundreds, right, I don't know. 739 01:00:40,559 --> 01:00:45,320 I don't know if it's an experiment, if the government is producing them. 740 01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:49,559 I mean, the helicopter thing that happened, like going back a couple 741 01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:52,599 of years ago, was kind of strange. I thought that was strange when 742 01:00:52,639 --> 01:00:55,760 it was happening, like, that's not what they're doing. They're not serving. 743 01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,119 Why are they doing this at night? Why the picks spotlights out over 744 01:01:00,159 --> 01:01:04,800 there? What are they looking for? If somebody kill somebody, they're looking 745 01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,559 for somebody in the woods. All kinds of things run through your mind. 746 01:01:07,719 --> 01:01:10,920 That was weird, But then I connected to that, you know, well, 747 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,320 maybe they were looking for them. Maybe they know that they're in the 748 01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:21,480 area and they shouldn't be in here, or maybe they're training dumb or you 749 01:01:21,519 --> 01:01:23,719 think all kinds of crazy things because trying to make sense out of what you 750 01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:28,760 saw, and you just can't get any answers. You know, you're just 751 01:01:29,239 --> 01:01:32,480 it's just an animal. But why does it look like a man unless it's 752 01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:39,880 I don't believe in Darwin's theory of evolution, So is it evolving from an 753 01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:44,679 animal into a man type? Yeah, all kinds of things go through your 754 01:01:44,719 --> 01:01:51,079 head trying to figure out what was that, Why is it in society? 755 01:01:52,239 --> 01:01:55,679 Is it from this planet? All kinds of things. Maybe it's from another 756 01:01:55,719 --> 01:02:02,079 planet. I don't think it's from another dimension where flips in between dimensions. 757 01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:06,880 But who knows, You don't know, You just don't know. All I 758 01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,480 know is I saw it and it was real and it was a living, 759 01:02:10,679 --> 01:02:16,519 breathing animal, not somebody that turned into a wolf. I don't know. 760 01:02:17,519 --> 01:02:22,440 Crazy world, Yes it is. It's a lot crazier than most of us 761 01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:28,000 are ever going to know too. So yeah, that's a fact. Well, 762 01:02:28,039 --> 01:02:30,320 what's about time for us to get out if you're a Liz. But 763 01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,280 before we do Do you have any clothes in comments you'd like to share. 764 01:02:35,559 --> 01:02:39,000 If you decide to go in the woods, don't be alone, and don't 765 01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:45,719 be far from you're afore, stay out of the woods if possible. I 766 01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:51,199 don't want to cramp on anybody's fun or anything. But you know, I 767 01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,800 tell everybody don't go in there because you just don't know. You just don't 768 01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:59,679 know. And that's the whole thing. Like you can't go walking around in 769 01:02:59,719 --> 01:03:06,599 the loads Africa without protection. There's things that you just don't do. You 770 01:03:06,599 --> 01:03:12,400 don't go swimming where there's crocodiles. It hasn't hurt anybody, It's hurt very 771 01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,920 few people. But who's to know if you're going to run into a good 772 01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:21,280 one or a bad one. You don't know until it happens, and if 773 01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:24,800 it happens, you are not getting going to get out of it. They're 774 01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:30,039 the apex predator, not you. You know, unless you're packing a gun 775 01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:34,559 that would put it to sleep, which I hate to think that because they 776 01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:37,000 have a right to live too. You know. I hate hunting. That 777 01:03:37,159 --> 01:03:39,960 drives me crazy when people go kill animals. I mean they do it for 778 01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:45,559 food source or whatever, but I'm like an animal love or nut. So 779 01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:47,760 it's like they have a right to live and breathe. They're here too. 780 01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:53,840 If you do see one, keep your distance, don't show any fear, 781 01:03:54,000 --> 01:04:01,000 and just be safe. That's all. Just be safe. An easier said 782 01:04:01,039 --> 01:04:06,840 than done, like I would, Yeah, a lot easier said than done. 783 01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:11,960 Well, Liz, I can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing 784 01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:15,519 the details of those experiences with us. I really appreciate it. Thank you 785 01:04:15,639 --> 01:04:20,000 Vic for letting me come on the show, and thank all the other people 786 01:04:20,039 --> 01:04:26,239 that call in because at least I knew what I saw after seeing your show, 787 01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:30,599 you know, and it was fun. So I'll let you know if 788 01:04:30,599 --> 01:04:35,679 I see it again. I hope not, but I hope not too. 789 01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:42,400 Yeah, at a distance, you know. I wouldn't mind seeing it at 790 01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:46,079 a very far distance where I could leave if I wanted at any time. 791 01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:54,119 But it was an experience, Oh I'm sure it was that. It was. 792 01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:58,679 Well. Thanks again so much for your time and have a great night. 793 01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:21,480 Thanks. We'll see