WEBVTT 1 00:00:34.960 --> 00:00:39.000 Hey, everyone, welcome to Game Spot After Dark, episode two hundred and 2 00:00:39.320 --> 00:00:43.200 forty two. I'm your host as always, John Luke, Saipeke and joined 3 00:00:43.719 --> 00:00:48.920 right next to me Jacob Decker drinking some passion piss Lacroix here, pretty good, 4 00:00:49.039 --> 00:00:54.240 Kurt, what are you drinking? Bullpiss bullpiss, Panna piss. There 5 00:00:54.280 --> 00:00:58.200 you go, red Bull, red Bull for context? Hey everyone, my 6 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:07.799 name is Kurrent. I introduce to No. I can't I feel like I'm 7 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:11.359 hey everyone, it's current of ore. Right. Hey, I'm drinking a 8 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:15.079 red Bull, which is not an advertisement, but I used to drink it 9 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:19.120 up seeing one of these when I was a younger person. Now I'm a 10 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:23.799 lot healthier and clear minded. However, I just got done doing a stream. 11 00:01:23.959 --> 00:01:26.079 Yeah, what broke in you that you were like, I'm gonna drink 12 00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:30.599 red Bull? I had to watch the fucking State of play The State of 13 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:34.280 Okay. The State of Okay. Yeah, for context, We just filmed 14 00:01:34.280 --> 00:01:41.760 this right after you and Tam did the State of Okay for PlayStation did a 15 00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:44.799 pre and post show. We'll get into that in a sect, but first 16 00:01:45.560 --> 00:01:49.000 I want to talk about I promised i'd do this up front Summer Games Fest 17 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:55.079 it's next week. It is happening, and we're gonna be the Christ. 18 00:01:55.120 --> 00:02:00.079 It's next week. Did you just realize that we're gonna be all three of 19 00:02:00.159 --> 00:02:01.760 us are going to be in l A a week from today. I've been 20 00:02:01.799 --> 00:02:05.359 looking at the calendar and I know the dates, but it's just like, 21 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:07.280 oh my god, it's it's like already here. It keeps. It feels 22 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:09.840 like it's been permanently, like three weeks. We will we will be in 23 00:02:09.879 --> 00:02:14.560 that space exactly one week from now. For me, I've been kind of 24 00:02:14.599 --> 00:02:17.759 just wanting to go into hibernation. Sure till it happens. I agree. 25 00:02:17.879 --> 00:02:21.439 I'm so excited. I can't wait. It's gonna be fun. Yeah, 26 00:02:21.479 --> 00:02:24.039 it's gonna be to be stressful. So we're gonna be in la We have 27 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:30.319 a studio space that we've rented out. We're gonna be doing pre im post 28 00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:38.319 shows starting with Summer game Fest, which is on Friday, ye two pm 29 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:46.879 Pacific time. That's gonna be amazing. We're gonna then be doing the play 30 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:50.599 days. We're gonna be doing play days. I mean we're calling it like 31 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:53.759 the well, well well that's happening, so playdays. The thing is happening. 32 00:02:54.520 --> 00:02:58.080 We don't know which is people go like basically where games are on the 33 00:02:58.080 --> 00:03:02.599 showcase. Yes, it's essentially summer Game best version of like an E three 34 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:07.080 before Paul, you know, so like you can walk around and actually checkout 35 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:09.800 games. They're gonna be checking out a bunch of games. Jake is gonna 36 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:14.520 be running around with a camera feeling a bunch of impressions. And while that's 37 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:17.120 happening, Kurt and I are going to be back in our studio space and 38 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:23.520 we're going to be doing some game spots. Hands we're gonna be doing puppet 39 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:27.919 shows. Yeah. I've been knitting sock puppets for weeks leading up to this, 40 00:03:29.439 --> 00:03:32.319 to you know, host to do for the to introduce games. And 41 00:03:32.919 --> 00:03:37.400 mm hm, is there gonna be like a perspective thing where you're like really 42 00:03:37.400 --> 00:03:40.000 close to the camera with the puppet and then and all your guests are like 43 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:43.520 ten feet back and they're like, oh my god, that's the biggest suck 44 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:47.120 puppet. Well but you can't. I guess you could do it behind a 45 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:51.560 desk and just be a little handstick and okay, all right, we'll work 46 00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:54.159 it out. Really interrupted, Luke, I did not you? Oh could 47 00:03:58.879 --> 00:04:03.400 We're going to be there posting, uh a four hour live show on Saturday 48 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:09.080 and Sunday and Sunday as well. That I don't know if we actually have 49 00:04:09.159 --> 00:04:12.240 like a a name for this stream, but I think it's just like game 50 00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:17.959 Spot at Summer games Spot a place that's so I think it's a game let's 51 00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:25.959 call it three. I think Game three couch here, Game Spots Summer Stage 52 00:04:25.959 --> 00:04:29.160 Show Live. Whoamn, sure it is. I just pulled that out of 53 00:04:29.160 --> 00:04:32.879 my ass. Huh wow, Yeah, that was good. Thank you. 54 00:04:32.959 --> 00:04:35.800 I don't even know what you said. I can't even you just know it 55 00:04:35.839 --> 00:04:39.240 was good and I can't put the words in the same order you did, 56 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:42.920 but I know that I felt like it was game Spot Summer Stage Show Live. 57 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:46.439 Wow. We're gonna be doing that Saturday and Sunday one to four Pacific 58 00:04:46.519 --> 00:04:50.000 time. We're gonna have guests, developers, guests, developers, myself, 59 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:56.600 Curtain Divina, that's me, Lucy James, that's her, to More Hussein 60 00:04:56.800 --> 00:05:00.160 and that's him. We're gonna be on the couch talking to these developers, 61 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:06.040 uh, interchanging and hopefully there will be enough based on the couch. You 62 00:05:06.079 --> 00:05:11.959 know, I don't want it to awkward close, Miss you don't want a 63 00:05:11.959 --> 00:05:15.160 situation where you're sitting in between guests and then you have to do this. 64 00:05:16.759 --> 00:05:19.720 Yeah, that's what the sock puppets for. Oh, because then you just 65 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:24.680 yeah, yeah, between all the guests. So we're gonna be doing that. 66 00:05:24.759 --> 00:05:27.040 It's gonna be it's gonna be fun, it's gonna be a good time. 67 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:30.240 It's gonna crush it. Oh, I mean, John Luke, You're 68 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:32.800 gonna crush it. You're you're gonna be behind the scenes, You're gonna be 69 00:05:32.839 --> 00:05:36.079 hitting switches, You're gonna be you're gonna be smashing the computer with a baseball 70 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:39.600 bat. You're we're gonna have apparently we're gonna have your pieces, Is that 71 00:05:39.639 --> 00:05:42.839 true? And you're gonna be like we whispering sweet nothings in your ear And 72 00:05:42.879 --> 00:05:45.560 I'd be like, oh my god, Luca's killing it. I think I 73 00:05:45.560 --> 00:05:48.800 think I'm gonna crush it too. Maybe you're gonna crush your camera on the 74 00:05:48.839 --> 00:05:54.680 cement. Probably you're gonna go see a game and come out and you're like, 75 00:05:54.720 --> 00:05:58.120 I hated that, smash my camera on the ground, record and then 76 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:01.800 throw your camera in my two weeks, walk home from there, walk home 77 00:06:01.800 --> 00:06:06.480 to San Francisco. Uh, so we're all gonna crush it. We're gonna 78 00:06:06.480 --> 00:06:11.759 crush cans. I'm not I don't drink out of cans. You sorry, 79 00:06:11.839 --> 00:06:14.319 No, I'm drinking out of I was gonna say beer, but that's true. 80 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:16.319 I don't drink. I was about to crush this and I was like, 81 00:06:16.360 --> 00:06:20.079 that's a bad idea. There's still liquid in here. Well, that's 82 00:06:20.120 --> 00:06:29.240 what it's called passion piss just because it's passion out of the can. We 83 00:06:29.279 --> 00:06:31.199 do talk about video game that's good. That's a good one. We do 84 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:35.480 talk about vide games on this podcast. Yes, anyway, long, long 85 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:42.319 winded thing was again Summer the Game Spot Summer Stage Show Live. Wow, 86 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:50.360 it's just a G S S s L. Yes, that doesn't really roll 87 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:57.399 photography Yeah, S S s SL. It's not like just Extra Life, 88 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:05.000 which is you know, hold on, game what Summer show? That's four? 89 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:11.920 S's right? Game G four x L G four XL. I can't 90 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:15.199 do G four but ship. Yeah, it's a little weird. How about 91 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:25.920 GS three XL Just three XL reminds me of Roman numerals. Yeah. Oh, 92 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:30.720 I'm thinking about puzzles now. So many state of play happened. Oh 93 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:35.480 yeah, Now if you want to get the full rundown, you can go 94 00:07:35.720 --> 00:07:40.399 watch watch it the you can watch the showcase. You can also go listen 95 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:43.360 to Curtain Tam. They had a post show where they talked about it. 96 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:46.720 Go check that on YouTube. But instead, I just want to tell me 97 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:53.759 one game that you enjoyed from it or are excited about. Kurt Me Yes, 98 00:07:54.639 --> 00:08:00.800 none, Wow, Okay, Monster or wilds Okay, I agree with 99 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:03.160 you. It's all say a different game Astrobot cool. All right. I 100 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:07.480 need to make it clear that me saying none is not like some I fucking 101 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:13.879 hated all of it. It's just it was just there were games, there 102 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:16.600 were things. It's like, it's just when it's it's so hard to be 103 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:22.199 shown fourteen games in a row and like digest that information in a way that 104 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:28.360 makes me compelled to know what they are. When they're not for the most 105 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:31.160 part, gameplay, it's curated gameplay. It's like it's like you don't really 106 00:08:31.160 --> 00:08:33.679 know what you're looking at. Yeah, so when you see a bunch of 107 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:35.080 nothing compared to movies, But when you go to a movie theater and you 108 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:39.879 see trailers and you see fourteen fucking trailers before you see the movie, that 109 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:45.279 medium lends. It's it's it's seeing a medium, Like what you're seeing is 110 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:46.840 like that's how it's told, right, It's like it's a series of events, 111 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:50.200 it's a story. When I see the game form, it's so difficult 112 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:52.200 for me to wrap my head around it. So I completely It doesn't come 113 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:54.360 from a place of meeting cynical or that I hated it. It just was 114 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:58.720 like, well, nothing got nothing was like, oh my god, I 115 00:08:58.759 --> 00:09:01.600 know it feels like maybe like we haven't learned some lessons, Like I thought 116 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:05.279 we were past this a little bit. Specifically, they opened up with The 117 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:09.559 Concord, which is their multiplayer overwatch Valerie type game. To be fair, 118 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:13.080 I was making thumb nails, so I didn't really see much of the game. 119 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:16.120 I was just listening to it. Oh my god, the dialogue was 120 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:18.320 driving me. Cool. Yeah, the dialogue is that like, it's just 121 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:22.960 Guardians of the Galaxy. It is down to the character tropes and trites. 122 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:26.360 It's like I said this, I said this during the feed where it was 123 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:28.879 like you have your your big soft brute guy, you got your big you 124 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:33.039 got your snarky ahead guy. Yeah, you got your like that's all these 125 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:35.480 character anyways. So yeah, but but but regardless of the game itself, 126 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:41.759 my my my beef was more with the presentation, which was they open up 127 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:43.879 by saying like they introduced the game and they're like, hey, we're gonna 128 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:48.200 show in game gameplay and you're like, awesome, and then they have like 129 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:56.399 a three minute cig trailer that's just all characters yapen and it's one of those 130 00:09:56.440 --> 00:09:58.960 things where it's like, I again, I thought we were kind of over 131 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:03.720 this. This is weird, and usually it's like, Okay, you show 132 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:09.240 this when you don't have game play to show, right, or like you're 133 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:11.039 gonna show it later like Assassin's Creed. Right, they had a big cig 134 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:15.320 trailer, but they're like, and you're gonna see more of it, and 135 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:20.360 that you be soft forward. There's happening next Monday, not next Monday, 136 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:24.879 Monday after Monday sometimes will be also streaming. But I was like, okay, 137 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:28.519 fine, But then they showed actual gameplay afterwards, and I was kind 138 00:10:28.559 --> 00:10:31.600 of like you should have just skipped and more silly because the cut scene that 139 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:39.919 they showed or the CGI thing really had no like actual relationships connection to the 140 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:45.240 as. Yeah, it established the characters, but like it didn't mean anything 141 00:10:45.399 --> 00:10:48.279 No, it's it's I think it's trying to emulate that overwatched thing where it's 142 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:50.159 like you have the cut scene, you have that, you have this trying 143 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:52.559 to make you care about Yeah, it's like you care about these characters. 144 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:54.559 But it's like that, at least for me, it doesn't work for me 145 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:58.720 because I know that that game isn't going to really have that. Although this 146 00:10:58.799 --> 00:11:01.519 came actually apparently might kind of have it, they didn't imply. There were 147 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:05.879 some light cut scenes. Yeah, every week you log in there's a new 148 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:09.240 cut scene or somethingeah, and I'm like, okay, like they're trying something 149 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:11.519 new. That's that's cool. Does that too? You know, like every 150 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:16.600 season season has to and you know what I do every time? Just give 151 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:20.519 me to the game plan. I don't care. Yeah, anyway, for 152 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:22.240 it didn't work for me. I'm just like, let's yep, we don't 153 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:26.320 need to do that. But what did work for me was Astrobot. You 154 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:28.279 want to why because it just showed nothing but gameplay. I feel like they 155 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:33.279 show that whole fucking game. I was a little too much, but genuinely, 156 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:37.759 I I think Astrobot is just delightful. I absolutely loved Playroom, even 157 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:41.399 even all the little like sony like isms that they're just putting in there, 158 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:45.240 all the little like it. It's one of those things that I feel like 159 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:48.960 should make me roll my eyes, and I don't believe anyone it does, 160 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:50.600 but at least for me, I was like, it feels genuine. The 161 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:54.159 part when the PlayStation five comes out of the sand and turns into a ship 162 00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:58.919 and flies, I was like, I'm sold. That's just the right amount 163 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:01.759 of it. They've done done some being cool with the ps look like what 164 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:09.519 it entirety of like the personality that I've been wanting out of the PlayStation five 165 00:12:09.799 --> 00:12:13.600 was right there in Astro's playroom. Uh well, the both astros play now, 166 00:12:13.639 --> 00:12:16.480 the new one which is just called Astrobot, which is kind of weird 167 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:20.440 because they already had it's the third one, but whatever. Yeah. Well, 168 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:22.200 one thing that occurred to me while watching it, or like what kind 169 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:26.200 of like tuning in, is I feel like it fold like the same exact 170 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:30.720 beats as previous ones, where even like down to some some similar games and 171 00:12:30.759 --> 00:12:35.759 announcements, like I feel like there's always like a Samurai style game at some 172 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:39.840 point, maybe a couple or like a especially over the past couple of years, 173 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:41.840 and then there's like some there's some there's some horror in the last couple 174 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:45.360 of times. It's been Silent Hill the last two times, right, and 175 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:48.639 then it's like, I don't remember Monster or Wilds that was shown at the 176 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:52.399 Capcom thing, not yeah, this Summer Game Wars game wards thing, so 177 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:58.480 like I don't know, Like I just PS PS five and PS four games 178 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:01.279 coming to place there, coming to piece and stuff, and it's just like 179 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:07.120 it's just like it's so I think Sony has a specific surprises. Yeah, 180 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:11.039 they have. They have a very locked in type of game. They like 181 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:15.360 to court, and I think, at least for myself, I'm hitting a 182 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:18.399 point where it's like those games all look fine. I'm a little tired of 183 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:24.960 this. I kind of need you all to maybe grab something different. Yeah, 184 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:26.960 there was that one game, I don't remember what it was called. 185 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:30.320 I think we we didn't put a trailer up on it because you know, 186 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:33.360 we think our audience was super interested in it. But it's the oh, 187 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:39.240 the weird like styling, like yeah, is that it? Yeah, the 188 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:46.480 one that ended with a weird BDSM that very like anime sort of like not 189 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:48.360 it doesn't look exactly impact, but it kind of feels like it has some 190 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:52.159 to that flavor. But then the music was very like Mario Odyssey, and 191 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:54.360 the tone was very like it's like, oh, this is for kids, 192 00:13:54.399 --> 00:13:56.840 and you're like, this is cool, Okay, this is something different. 193 00:13:56.879 --> 00:14:01.200 And then, as Kirk mentioned, was one of those cases where we're all 194 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:03.360 chained up at the end and you're like, whoa, that's yeah dark time. 195 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:09.399 I I do have concerns I've had like about like games for younger audiences 196 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:13.080 that are good, Like that's always That's been a thing I was like thinking 197 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:18.600 about recently where it was like we had there's so many good games from our 198 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:22.799 childhood that were like not child games out side of Nintendo specifically, Yeah, 199 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:26.320 yeah, and but like and then we come you know, like Sony just 200 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:31.080 and Sony and Microsoft like don't really have these like flagship titles for younger audiences 201 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:35.679 that are legitimately good games too. So like seeing Infinity Nikias, I don't 202 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:37.159 know if it's gonna be a good game, but it's good to see it. 203 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:41.480 It was felt good to see a polished, sure looking game that was 204 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:46.000 maybe geared towards I brought her maybe younger audience. And then I don't know 205 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:50.080 where. It's like fucking girl chained up in the end, and it was 206 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:52.879 like it was like something out of like a frum Soft thing where like something 207 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:54.960 you'd find in the dungeons of something else, and it's just like, what 208 00:14:56.039 --> 00:15:00.159 the hell is this infinity happened? We had a context? Is not that 209 00:15:00.279 --> 00:15:01.440 bad, but yeah, it was a little weird. It just it was. 210 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:05.480 It was It was just a shocking yeah. And it was also they 211 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:09.519 saved it for like the post likest also get fucking Ready. It was whoa, 212 00:15:09.720 --> 00:15:13.519 Like okay, so you know, yeah, but that's what I mean. 213 00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:16.480 Astrobot Like that's one of those things where it's like, you know, 214 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:18.120 thank God, Like, yeah, I think Astrobot filled that. I think 215 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:22.840 the last time Sony really tried that was like probably Nack. Yes, we 216 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:26.159 all know how well that went. Yeah, everyone loves Everyone loves Nay. 217 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:28.679 Kids with Knack t shirts, water bottles. Yeah, I mean I just 218 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:31.159 saw the movie. It was pretty good, the Knack movie. I mean, 219 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:35.320 Sony's getting into films and TV shows. I think it's a really smart 220 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:39.559 move that they made Knack three of film instead of the game. It's probably 221 00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:43.000 what they they should just call it NAC three read all, Yeah, that's 222 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:45.799 what they should do with all their games going forward. They should just release 223 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:48.960 the sequels as movies in theaters that you go see Blood Born too, the 224 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:52.879 movie. Oh no, we don't. We don't talk about that. Okay, 225 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:58.559 all right, moving on from PlayStation Showcase, as have a bunch gosh 226 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:03.559 dang video games to talk about because there's been a lot going on. I 227 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:07.679 don't know how in depth we want to go without spoiling it, but I 228 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:11.960 know that the only thing we've been wanting to talk about this week in the 229 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:18.720 opposite you specifically us because you want to want to hear you lower line the 230 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:22.679 laser eye. What a fucking video game. Oh my god, if you 231 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:27.440 were not playing this game, play this game like, that's all I have 232 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:30.919 to say about it. It's like, Wow, it's it's incredible. Don't 233 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:34.000 don't really look things up either, just well I think that I like even 234 00:16:34.200 --> 00:16:37.759 I mean, it's important to know, like it's as Kurt has talked about 235 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:42.639 previously on the podcast, this puzzle game. It's weird, it's about art, 236 00:16:42.720 --> 00:16:48.759 it's about it's about a lot of things. It's it's funny, it's 237 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:52.799 charming, it's kind of a horror game. I think. I think it's 238 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:56.000 very much horror. I made it very I tried to, like not not 239 00:16:56.080 --> 00:16:59.720 a conventional way that you think of, but like there are moments where my 240 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:03.200 review you early being like, it is a psychological horror game, psychological horror 241 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:06.799 puzzle game, but I don't it's not. But it's not gory. It's 242 00:17:06.839 --> 00:17:11.559 nothing like you know, the horror is is it's very much that traditional scope 243 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:15.160 of horror. You have your horror and then you have terror. It's not 244 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:18.640 it's horror. It's like it's uneasy, it's like evokeing, it's evoking things 245 00:17:19.119 --> 00:17:22.359 there is. It's got a little kind of Internet creepypasta and about it, 246 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:26.000 you know, because a lot of Internet creepypasta is kind of built off of 247 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:32.680 like games that appear one way and then kind of are like unsettling and you're 248 00:17:32.759 --> 00:17:34.799 like, what what is this really? It invokes a lot of that. 249 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:38.000 Yeah, scare the shit out many times. Yes, there's a couple of 250 00:17:38.039 --> 00:17:41.960 specific moments I would say though, Wow, don't like horror games. Don't 251 00:17:42.039 --> 00:17:45.960 let that necessary. That's kind of why I'm like, it's not it's not 252 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:48.279 like a horror game. It's not. There's just a distinct moment. I 253 00:17:48.319 --> 00:17:51.519 was like, when it was clear to me, I was like, this 254 00:17:51.599 --> 00:17:53.039 is a horror game. It didn't present itself like that at first, but 255 00:17:53.240 --> 00:17:56.279 it's just like it will. It will unnerve you. You in spots the 256 00:17:56.319 --> 00:18:00.920 game even like recommends like hey plays with the lights low, nice head phone, 257 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:06.680 headphone, bust out that notebook, bust out the notebook and be taken 258 00:18:06.799 --> 00:18:11.240 notes. Because I gotta be honest, my notebook is not it's crazy as 259 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:14.440 that's crazy. I only have like three pages of notes. Mine is just 260 00:18:14.559 --> 00:18:18.680 ridiculous. But it's so ridiculous. To be fair, I didn't write down 261 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:19.960 every single thing. There are a bunch of things that I was able to 262 00:18:21.039 --> 00:18:23.079 just sort of like I can remember that, Wow, smarty pants over here, 263 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:26.640 look at me. I've been also playing with Georgia and like we've been 264 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:30.200 tagged teaming it together. So there have been moments where I'm like, write 265 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:33.119 this is down so I don't have to or like you remember this. Take 266 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:37.160 a picture, yes, take a picture. I have been doing screenshots, 267 00:18:37.160 --> 00:18:38.759 a lot of screenshots. There were moments where I was like should I draw 268 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:41.640 this whole thing? And I was like, no, I'm not gonna I 269 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:45.000 know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, well, I their scenarios that 270 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:49.279 I drew my I drew in my notebook. I've like drawn a room before 271 00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:55.319 for it's interesting. Okay, yeah, some of the ones. I was 272 00:18:55.359 --> 00:19:00.279 like, that's gonna be a little munch. I've drawn a room Okay, 273 00:19:00.279 --> 00:19:02.359 I know because we talked about it yesterday. Right, So the when you're 274 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:04.039 talking about yesterday where you were like turning it around no no, no, 275 00:19:04.400 --> 00:19:07.519 no, no no, and this is what the rest of this discussion is 276 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:10.519 going to be. It's just like like no, no, no, no, 277 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:14.440 I'll talk about that. Even at lunch today you were convinced like, 278 00:19:14.680 --> 00:19:15.759 oh, you guys know about this, right, And we're like no, 279 00:19:17.319 --> 00:19:18.480 and You're like yeah, it's like this thing and I was like, I 280 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:22.440 don't know what you're talking about. I still don't know what you're talking about. 281 00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:23.640 I know. I feel like if if anybody has to switch on them, 282 00:19:23.640 --> 00:19:26.880 I will show them. I don't anyways. But yeah, so you're 283 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:32.160 both playing Laura and the Laser Eyes. I'm not even done. It is 284 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:36.480 my game of the year right now. Yeah. It is like like I 285 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:38.359 told what did I say to you that it is my game of the year, 286 00:19:38.359 --> 00:19:41.279 and it's not even close. I would say, like there are games 287 00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:45.759 that one of which I'll talk about. There are two games that are close, 288 00:19:45.799 --> 00:19:48.359 but they're both remakes or remasters. So I'm like, I think, 289 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:52.680 out of like original games that came out this year, this is far and 290 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:56.400 away, Mike, I am so invested. It's all I think about, 291 00:19:56.519 --> 00:20:00.400 Like it is. I go to bed thinking about it. Up in the 292 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:03.480 morning, I'm showering thinking about it. I'm doing work and I'm thinking about 293 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:04.480 it, and I just can't wait to play it. And you know, 294 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:07.079 you'd think with all that thinking, I'd build to get through these puzzles. 295 00:20:07.079 --> 00:20:11.680 But then I sit there and look at it for another forty five minutes and 296 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:15.160 then I text Kurt and give me a him please. I did last night, 297 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:19.160 like in my dream, go back and like think about all the things 298 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:22.799 I did that day in Loralai, Like that's how yeah, that's how deep 299 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:26.000 it is. Now now that both of you have had some time with it, 300 00:20:26.079 --> 00:20:33.480 m imagine reviewing that game a nightmare and not knowing anyone. I'd be 301 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:37.359 terrified. Now I feel like, for what it's worth, I eventually had 302 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:40.680 to I had to like start going through channels and be like I need something, 303 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:45.440 I need help. Like So I did eventually find two people who were 304 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:47.640 playing the game and reviewing the game. One of them I was like introduced 305 00:20:47.680 --> 00:20:48.400 to. I didn't know who they were, and the other one was Edmund 306 00:20:48.440 --> 00:20:55.319 Tran Games about Alumni, Gamespout Alumni and now with skill Up. So I 307 00:20:55.400 --> 00:20:59.039 didn't entirely do it alone, but there was a moment where I was like, 308 00:20:59.079 --> 00:21:02.839 I have It's why you came late, because I was like, I'm 309 00:21:02.839 --> 00:21:07.400 brute forcing through this by myself. No one else on staff has a code. 310 00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:11.799 I'm completely alone trying to figure this out, brutal. So every single 311 00:21:11.799 --> 00:21:14.160 time one of you text me, it's one of those things in the back 312 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:18.319 of my head, like imagine, imagine if you had the review this game 313 00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:22.200 and you were by yourself, what that would feel like. So yeah, 314 00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:26.039 I don't even want to well, I've got to tell you still fucking I 315 00:21:26.039 --> 00:21:29.880 mean, the fact that you still were like and it's still incredible. Yeah, 316 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:33.680 it's uh, it's the best game I've played this year hand sound m 317 00:21:36.200 --> 00:21:40.480 and quite possibly maybe like top two top three favorite puzzle games ever made. 318 00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:44.880 Oh yeah I would agree, yes, yeah, yeah, I like my 319 00:21:44.920 --> 00:21:47.079 brain like I think of, I go, there's a few puzzle games I 320 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:51.119 think of that I love. The Witness is definitely one of my absolute favorite 321 00:21:51.119 --> 00:21:52.119 puzzles. Was going to say, like, that's the one that comes to 322 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:57.519 mind, but weirdly did not mentioned that. Yeah, I didn't hate that 323 00:21:57.559 --> 00:22:02.000 game. I didn't I stopped thinking about I didn't, I didn't keep thinking 324 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:04.920 of it. I still think I would be washing the dishes. I'm not 325 00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:11.039 joking, and it'll pop in my brain because I was so stuck on a 326 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:12.720 puzzle at one point during The Witness that I got up and started to do 327 00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:18.599 chores, And now those chores remind me of being stuck on certain puzzles, 328 00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:22.279 So I think I look up into the sky and think about the Witness for 329 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:27.039 reasons. I think where the Witness didn't connect with me where Loralai does is 330 00:22:29.920 --> 00:22:37.119 the puzzles and the environment and the story all feel completely interlinked in a way 331 00:22:37.119 --> 00:22:38.839 where it's like you could not take away one and like the whole thing would 332 00:22:38.839 --> 00:22:45.200 fall apart yep, and where the Witness has moments of that, but most 333 00:22:45.200 --> 00:22:48.079 of the time it's like, look at this beautiful environment. Now stare at 334 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:52.160 this one screen and solve this line, the story of the Witness is not 335 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:57.200 vital to your ability to finish the Witness, and like appreciate it. Right 336 00:22:57.440 --> 00:23:02.720 where Lorelai and the Laser Eyes, the narrative and the mechanics and the puzzle 337 00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:07.759 that game are so interlocked, are so interweaved that like they cannot exist without 338 00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:11.160 another. You cannot be told that story without having done those puzzles. You 339 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:14.880 can't do the puzzles without understanding the story, like they're so intertwined. Which 340 00:23:14.920 --> 00:23:15.559 is one of those things where's like when I play this, I was like, 341 00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:19.160 this is the game. Like it sounds it might sound ridiculous, like 342 00:23:19.279 --> 00:23:22.559 this is the gaming medium, but that's like that's where I was like, 343 00:23:22.039 --> 00:23:25.839 this is what makes the medium. This is one of those things that makes 344 00:23:25.880 --> 00:23:29.559 the medium like special. It's like you can't tell the story any other way 345 00:23:29.559 --> 00:23:33.319 that except in a video game exactly. I also think just conceptually, like 346 00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:37.799 I don't know how that team came up with this game too. People you 347 00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:40.279 know are the Spearheads and then they have writers and stuff like that. But 348 00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:42.240 yeah, like I just can't I can't fathom it, you know, like 349 00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:48.200 not I don't make games. I'm not like super smart i'd say, but 350 00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:51.480 like there are games that I see that it's like I could probably come up 351 00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:53.200 with this, not make that game, but I could probably come up conceptually, 352 00:23:53.240 --> 00:23:56.799 you know, like yeah, this will kind of be how the game 353 00:23:56.839 --> 00:23:59.279 plays, these are how the puzzles work. Let me let me pitch you 354 00:23:59.319 --> 00:24:07.240 a game, guy with sword, big bosses. But if you die, 355 00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:10.319 you lose all of your stuff. You have to go get it back. 356 00:24:11.519 --> 00:24:14.640 But but just this game is just like it is beyond the scope of my 357 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:18.960 comprehension, Like I'm just in awe that, like people came up with sure, 358 00:24:19.079 --> 00:24:22.400 you know, yes, so go finish it, go play it, 359 00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:26.880 and those listening, I highly recommend it. Please please get a notebook. 360 00:24:27.079 --> 00:24:30.200 So and there's like there's basically the only game I have not played this year 361 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:34.799 that people are yapping about is one thousand Resists. So that's the only one 362 00:24:34.839 --> 00:24:38.119 that agreed me too. Yeah I gotta play that. I want to play. 363 00:24:40.519 --> 00:24:45.000 Yeah you do. Oh my god, themturs. That game is so 364 00:24:45.079 --> 00:24:48.319 goofy. But I love it as in, like when you start playing it, 365 00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:51.359 I want to like I want to laugh with somebody about some of the 366 00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:53.039 combat in that game, because it just happens like you'll just be walking down 367 00:24:53.039 --> 00:24:56.240 the street You're fucking victor, and some guy will be like, oh, 368 00:24:56.319 --> 00:24:59.640 I don't like what you look like. And then it all just goes in 369 00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:03.200 the turn based combat and like the best part is like you have these demon 370 00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:07.720 things that will like nobody else can see, and like they'll sneak up behind 371 00:25:07.720 --> 00:25:11.079 your enemies. It's all turn based. But in between these monsters doing like 372 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:15.079 sick, crazy cool stuff to these bad guys. Your moves you just like 373 00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:18.279 rump and punch a guy in the jaw. And I always find it so 374 00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:21.599 comical where it's just like, let's get in a fight while my demon like 375 00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:23.519 bites your neck and does all this crazy shit, but you can only see 376 00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:26.240 me punching you in the lip and like that's it, like flicking you the 377 00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:30.039 nose. Anyway, Sumter is a great, great, great game. Let's 378 00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:33.279 move on another game I've been checking out. Oh yeah, crow Country, 379 00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:37.440 Oh yeah, yeah, this is a game. Fight. Yeah, I 380 00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:41.920 know Kurt, Kurt is not finished it, but Kurt played a few hours 381 00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:45.160 is and you're not quite very very very mixed. So for those who don't 382 00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:52.000 know, crow Country is a resident Evil PlayStation one style throwback game kind of 383 00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:57.400 invoking that like Survival Horror, and it was a game that I at first 384 00:25:57.519 --> 00:26:02.880 was like, Okay, I can see what you're doing. PlayStation one throwbacks 385 00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:07.440 are in vogue right now, although I will say I do like the way 386 00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:11.079 they specifically do the art, and I think they did a really cool innovative 387 00:26:11.079 --> 00:26:15.079 way with actually making a camera. Yes, so I feel like most like 388 00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:22.960 PlayStation one kind of throwback d make style games actually go for that like very 389 00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:30.079 high detailed late PlayStation one era like your Your Vagrant Story and your Metal Gear 390 00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:36.240 solid style, where this is more invoking that like early PlayStation one, like 391 00:26:36.279 --> 00:26:41.759 the your Final Fantasy seven where you can like see the shapes that are making 392 00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:45.519 up the characters like arms still because it's like very kind of like low detailed, 393 00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:48.960 yeah, and really quick. The biggest I think, really the biggest 394 00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:52.119 visual achievement is that it makes the environments look like a pre rendered background. 395 00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:56.799 Yes, yes, that evokes early PlayStation era. So the moment the camera 396 00:26:56.880 --> 00:27:00.039 moves, it's like, oh, sick like this it it has exact same 397 00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:04.240 feeling of a super detailed pre rendered background that makes those games. It's very 398 00:27:04.279 --> 00:27:08.079 impressive, like you know they capture that. It is it is in full 399 00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:11.359 three D, but it looks like a pre rendered two D, so I 400 00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:15.960 think all that stuff is great. I also quite like the like the setup, 401 00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:22.480 so crow Country is is a is a like shitty rundown or abandoned like 402 00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:26.119 theme park. It's like that. It's such a great setup for for a 403 00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:32.319 horror game too, because it's like in everyone has that you know, local 404 00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:37.680 rundown theme park that's like kind of awful and you just like but like as 405 00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:40.720 a kid, you didn't really think about it, and you loved it, 406 00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:41.680 and then you go back there and you're like, man, this place is 407 00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:47.759 kind of this this place is weird and kind of run down and and and 408 00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:49.240 like the idea of like, but what if, like there is actually something 409 00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:53.880 sinister behind it, and you're like, that is pitch perfect. Where the 410 00:27:53.960 --> 00:28:03.839 game didn't grab me and unfortunately never really came together is unfortunately in the survival 411 00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:07.839 horror elements. Straight up, the game is way too easy. It is 412 00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:12.079 not challenging, and I think part of that actually does have to do with 413 00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:18.519 the fact that the movement in the camera is not fixed. I would say, 414 00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:19.960 like it's weird. The game has a tank style control. I did 415 00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:23.559 not like it. At all. I don't think I know it as it's 416 00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:26.200 like a throwback, but like I don't actually think it works and makes sense. 417 00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:33.680 You should just play with the stick, but you have such like such 418 00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:40.279 freedom of movement that it is super easy to just run past enemies avoid them. 419 00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:45.279 You are given so much ammo and and I've I did not die once. 420 00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:51.519 I never felt really all that threatened, and that's been a pretty universal 421 00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:53.880 opinion I've seen on the game for most people. They did actually add a 422 00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:56.440 hard mode while I was playing, so I didn't get a chance to check 423 00:28:56.480 --> 00:29:00.880 it out. That I guess was an attempt to sort of address some of 424 00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:03.039 that. I am kind of curious if that mode makes it better, but 425 00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:08.079 I think like where it nails the esthetic and a lot of the tone and 426 00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:15.440 the story stuff that I'll talk about a second, a Residu Evil one and 427 00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:19.119 like two era, it doesn't nail that that. Like there's something about the 428 00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:23.440 classic Resident Evil where you have like your save room and you're like, Okay, 429 00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:27.519 I know I need to go here and get this thing. And also 430 00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:33.160 there's like this puzzle I think I can solve now too, can I if 431 00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:37.440 I go and take this D two where I can maybe maybe try and solve 432 00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:40.559 both at the same time before I get to the next save room. Should 433 00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:42.759 I risk it, I might die and I'll lose all my progress, And 434 00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:48.440 like that that tension is like half of the reason why I think, like, 435 00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:51.839 not half, it's like the reason why I think Residue Evil just like 436 00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:56.119 works, you know, because like it's so nail biting and this game completely 437 00:29:56.200 --> 00:30:03.680 lacks any of that. But I actually found myself pretty engaged in the storytelling 438 00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:07.039 by the end in a way that I was not expecting. I really like 439 00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:11.759 a lot of the characterization, the kind of reveals of what's going on with 440 00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:17.039 the park, who your character is, and the relationship to everything else. 441 00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:22.599 It's not the greatest thing ever. It's not like gonna blow your mind up. 442 00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:26.759 But by the end of it, I was like, Wow, that 443 00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:33.920 was a cool like piece of horror fiction. And and you know what, 444 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:36.920 that ending will actually stick me with me for a little while because it was 445 00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:41.799 like it's kind of haunting. I was like, oh, the ending did 446 00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:45.400 affect me in a way I was not expecting. So I do still think 447 00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:51.400 it is a good game worth playing. Just go in mind maybe that like 448 00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:55.680 you're not gonna be challenged from a survivor. That was my big thing. 449 00:30:55.960 --> 00:31:00.559 Like I as a survival horror nut. I I've like come to learn about 450 00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:04.559 myself that the only I'm not a mechanically I'm not a mechanically driven game person. 451 00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:08.160 Like mechanics and like pressing buttons is like not the thing that gets gets 452 00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:11.920 me hot and heavy when I play a game most cases, Like it's like 453 00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:15.880 in a callplimation of many things, story, mood, vibe, so on 454 00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:19.000 and so forth. So but I will say survival horror is the genre I'm 455 00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:23.799 mechanically hot and heavy for. Like, that is the genre that like I 456 00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:27.119 take like aligns with my brain chemistry and like makes me feel good when I 457 00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:30.920 do things. Mm hmm. So uh. That is a lot of the 458 00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:33.119 reason why I even play a lot of survival horrors is like I need to 459 00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:37.519 feel that that what survival horrors do so well. Limited resources, Yes, 460 00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:41.920 the harrowing, dire feeling of like always like any moment can be You're like, 461 00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:44.799 can be the end you have to go, you know, you can 462 00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:47.920 fuck up your from the safe house or safe room or whatever. And that 463 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:51.359 was like my thing with crow Country, where not only did I find it 464 00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:55.799 numbing, a little bit like how easy and how like not rewarding it was 465 00:31:56.000 --> 00:32:00.200 for that for those mechanics, I was having a really tough time like engaging 466 00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:02.079 with the characters in the world and like things are happening. So I was 467 00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:07.440 like, uh, the the anyway, So I'm I'm not opposed to finishing 468 00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:09.119 it. I know it's short and I'm like an hour and a half two 469 00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:14.440 hours in, so I'm curious if you know, you'll feel a little bit 470 00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:15.839 better around the story, maybe you'll maybe you'll come back and tell me I'm 471 00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:19.440 wrong. But yeah, it's like, I know it's something when I'm not 472 00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:22.039 even compelled to try in hard mode because I still don't think that would change. 473 00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:27.200 I'm not sure. I don't even find like the creatures intimidating. I 474 00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:30.880 think they're cool. They're funny in a way, like they're kind of comically 475 00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:35.079 gross, but yeah, not in a way that I'm like stressed out when 476 00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:39.119 I completely So that's it. No, yeah, uh, it doesn't come 477 00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:44.519 together in the gameplay department, specifically the combat. The puzzles are fine, 478 00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:46.480 they're fun, there's some good there's some good fun puzzles, but at least 479 00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:50.680 for me at the end, I did. I did find like the overall 480 00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:53.079 story and the vibe and like if that's where it really elevates itself and it 481 00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:59.480 I do think it separates itself in and provides like a pretty cool story that 482 00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:04.920 that uh has its place in the in that in that that genre. So 483 00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:08.720 you know what Crawl Country it gets my thumbs up. I do recommend it 484 00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:23.960 if that sounds like a cool thing for you. Jacob Decker me, Hello, 485 00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:30.559 tell me about sitting here twiddling his thumbs. Paper Mario and the paper 486 00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:36.359 and door you have hold on. Jake has like five games to talk about. 487 00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:37.480 Jake does have to do a lot of games to talk about. We 488 00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:40.079 could, we could. We'll start with this one. We'll go to Kurt 489 00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:43.319 and we'll come back. I don't have nothing to talk about. The only 490 00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:45.039 thing I have to talk I'll just end it right now. All right, 491 00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:49.200 we'll head out. You know, No, well, I have I have 492 00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:51.960 nothing to talk about. I'm here to listen. Okay. I played sky 493 00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:53.799 rimonn Oblivion yesterday, but I want to hear about that. I want to 494 00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:58.440 hear about Oblivion. The first paper, Mario paper, Marian one thousand year 495 00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:01.039 doors. So I play this when it came out back in two thousand and 496 00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:07.079 four, and I remember enjoying it. I was a kid, probably, 497 00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:10.159 you know, given the math I was ten eleven something like that, twelve, 498 00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:15.519 I don't know, ten eleven, twelve thirty. Of all of the 499 00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:21.239 like classic Nintendo games, Paper Mario in the Thousand Year Door, I didn't 500 00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:22.880 play as a kid, so I don't have an attachment to it. It 501 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:29.480 is the one that I hear, like the Universal just everyone loves that fucking 502 00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:31.760 game, like and loved it as a kid, loves it to death. 503 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:36.000 So I did. I remember liking a lot as a kid. I didn't 504 00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:39.639 play nearly as much as I thought now that I'm going I didn't play nearly 505 00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:45.519 as much as I thought. But I have like played a lot of Mario 506 00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:47.719 RPGs, not all of them, but I played the ones that hit GBA, 507 00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:52.480 I played some that hit the three DS, and then I played Mario's 508 00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:55.840 Paper Mario for the sixty four, which I think was just paper Mario original. 509 00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:01.000 And then I played the Origami King, which it's not really an RPG, 510 00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:05.440 but it is a paper Mario game. No one really likes the paper 511 00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:08.920 Mario games the later ones. And then I believe, yeah, where and 512 00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:13.920 then I played Super Mario RPG when it came to switch. Oh yes, 513 00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:19.039 I love Super Mario RPG. Thought it was really good. But Paper Mario 514 00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:24.320 Thousand Year Door I think is the best Mario RPG. Uh. I don't 515 00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:28.559 want to say by a lot, because I know people really like Super Mario 516 00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:32.039 RPG, but I think Paper Mario and the Thousand Year Door is the funniest. 517 00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:37.159 It's it's the most clever, it has the best combat. In my 518 00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:39.840 opinion, It's got some of the best characters. I think the way it's 519 00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:45.440 structured is it structured more like a Zelda game, I would say in terms 520 00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:52.239 of there's different areas you're going to outside of combat, you're essentially solving puzzles, 521 00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:53.519 even to the point when you complete a puzzle. There is that sort 522 00:35:53.559 --> 00:36:00.039 of like you know in Zelda they have their own version of that. But 523 00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:05.079 I feel like it is just structured in a way that makes it so engaging 524 00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:09.880 and interesting to play and follow. And plus you're constantly getting these new partners 525 00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:15.639 that can not only change the combat but also add new variables to these puzzles, 526 00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:20.639 and the plat and the minor platforming that you do. But I think 527 00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:27.039 it's just like I think it's just an incredibly well designed, smartly written, 528 00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:30.280 funny game. Like I like I said, I know, I enjoyed it 529 00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:32.400 as a kid, but I feel like so much of it was lost on 530 00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:37.880 me now that I'm playing it, Like it is like it is probably one 531 00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:40.679 of my favorite games this year. It is a It is a remaster, 532 00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:45.239 so it's nothing new, and to be fair, they didn't really change a 533 00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:47.199 whole lot. Obviously, the graphics look better, a little better. They've 534 00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:52.280 done some quality of life stuff. They replace the music, but you can 535 00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:55.880 or they they included remixes to the music, but you can play the old 536 00:36:55.960 --> 00:36:59.440 music. Just such a groove, dude, don't you unlock it? Yeah? 537 00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:02.079 The unlocked It's like it's a badge that you have to apply, but 538 00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:06.519 it's a badge that costs zero, so it's like you're just apply for free 539 00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:08.320 and I'm like, just just mak it a menu option. What are you 540 00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:15.639 doing? Normal? No? Never, never, difficult? Everyone else is 541 00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:21.239 too normal? Okay, be annoying, all right, it's I didn't mind 542 00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:22.679 it a lot, but yeah, it was kind of weird. But anyway, 543 00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:27.960 helping all that to say, Pitt Mario and thousand New Door is really 544 00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:35.079 good. I yeah, it's it's just really fucking good. I'm very excited 545 00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:37.199 to play. I've always would love to read that in a review and an 546 00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:45.960 actually really fucking fund I mean Stephen, Stephen Pettitt wrote our review, and 547 00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:52.039 I think in his review he also said that it is and it is, 548 00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:57.800 if not, one of the best RPGs on Switch. Uh. I don't 549 00:37:57.840 --> 00:38:02.119 know, Like I I know it's like a Mario RPG game, but I 550 00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:06.079 have this kind of distinction where it's like, Okay, Mario RPG is not 551 00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:09.639 like RPG, you know, to its benefit, not that it's like an 552 00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:14.039 RPG light, but it just feels more of like like it in like a 553 00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:19.599 Zeno Blade Cross is very difference RPG. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the 554 00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:23.400 term RPG is give me a lot of things. Yeah, but yeah, 555 00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:27.840 Kurt, I know you said you really liked David Mario. I love the 556 00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:31.159 original so much, but I think it's I'm also I haven't played the new 557 00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:34.440 one yet, but I am kind of curious if I'm going to have that 558 00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:37.280 same realization that you did when you realize you didn't play as much of as 559 00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:40.119 you thought you did. Because I remember playing it. I remember, like 560 00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:44.320 you can go like this, you can go like three D, you could 561 00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:45.679 do that, you can do this, you can do that, like having 562 00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:49.880 so much fun doing that, but uh, you don't remember beating it. 563 00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:52.840 But nope, I definitely for some reason, I thought I made it really 564 00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:55.719 far. That's what I played like twelve hours and I was like, this 565 00:38:55.840 --> 00:39:00.000 is all new. I would like to Kurt like gets past the second screen 566 00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:01.320 and it's like, I don't remember any of this when you just do just 567 00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:06.400 learned the game of his kid, Yeah, twelve hours. No, I 568 00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:12.320 have pretty vivid memories of certain parts, but now I'm afraid that my brain 569 00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:15.559 has fabricated them in such a way that I'm like, did I Because once 570 00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:19.880 I started hearing Jacos like, wait, do you do you remember Luigi's involvement 571 00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:22.280 in this game? I remember seeing Luigi. He's in it. Yeah, 572 00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:28.320 he his whole bit is really funny games. But that's like, but that's 573 00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:31.239 something that's all so blurred to me because it was what when was it released? 574 00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:37.320 The original four so jesus twenty years ago? Yeah, Snikey's okay, 575 00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:42.559 well what do I remember from that time in my life? Not payper Mario. 576 00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:45.760 I remember, Yeah, the feeling of liking it, so I'll have 577 00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:50.119 to you know, I'm very I'm looking forward to picking it up. I'm 578 00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:53.840 contemplating on when is the time to get it. Yeah, I have plenty 579 00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:58.719 of time now because I'm not playing any new games, so but I'm not 580 00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:00.519 just stop playing. When I'm playing, I don't think about it, just 581 00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:05.679 do it. I mentioned Luigi though, because like I remember Luigi when I 582 00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:08.280 played it. He shows up every now and then he basically is on his 583 00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:14.400 own adventure while Mario's on an adventure, and he comes back and just like 584 00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:20.760 reports his progress to Mario after each chapter, and he's clearly full of shit 585 00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:23.159 and just like making things up, and there's even like like you can even 586 00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:27.599 like cross reference his story. Like he's like, yeah, I took down 587 00:40:27.639 --> 00:40:30.440 this giant in a forest and I had the help of this of this blooper 588 00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:34.440 who I like did all this, And then like the blooper's sitting there and 589 00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:37.280 it's like charred and you like up do and talk to it, and he's 590 00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:39.519 like, I'm only here because I hate this man. And it's just like 591 00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:44.679 it's like stuff that I feel like you don't see Nintendo games too much where 592 00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:50.000 it's just like like there's a whole subplot of god what are the what are 593 00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:55.639 the ile Delfino people called h I don't remember their name. They have like 594 00:40:55.159 --> 00:41:01.519 they have they have they have like a organized crime boss right who like runs 595 00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:05.360 the city there and like you have to strike a deal with him, and 596 00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:08.199 it is just like writing Mario. RPG games are always it's so good and 597 00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:13.119 they're like pulling lines like from Godfather, but like changing them slightly, you 598 00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:15.920 know, just to fit, like the fact that it is just a dumb 599 00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:21.199 Mario character who's got a pineapple. You know. It's just did they from 600 00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:23.599 your memory, not really change re reread the script all that much or keep 601 00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:30.360 it mostly the same? So from personally, I can't tell like intricacy wise, 602 00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:34.239 generally based on what I played, it seems very similar to the point 603 00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:37.679 where there were a couple things in there where they didn't sound weird, but 604 00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:40.159 it was mostly just like if this came out today, I feel like they 605 00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:45.519 would have probably rewarded this sure, or like I did see they made they 606 00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:50.280 make a reference to They're like, my favorite game Boy Advance game is fire 607 00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:52.599 Emblem. Have you heard of it? And I'm like, that's very funny 608 00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:57.079 because it dates that game to a very specific time. There's I mean, 609 00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:00.079 like the Game Boy Advance plays a big role in this game for some reason. 610 00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:05.519 Hell yeah, there's there's a whole chapter where you're communicating with someone just 611 00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:07.039 through this giant game Boy Advance in the world. Well that is that is 612 00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:13.519 just classic that era though Mansion with the Game Boy Horror and Mario has U. 613 00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:16.840 Mario has a game Boy Advanced sp that sends an emails, so Mario 614 00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:22.360 gets emails in this which is I do remember. I really miss that era 615 00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:24.639 where it's it's weird to be like I missed that era because it like just 616 00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:30.239 went away. But the era of like Nintendo having both a handheld and a 617 00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:34.599 console and them being separate and then them doing like weird not only like having 618 00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:37.119 them talk to each other in weird ways, but then doing weird things like 619 00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:42.199 that We're like we're gonna like put our handheld in the console game and have 620 00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:45.599 it like behave this way. I kind of miss that. It's this will 621 00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:50.719 definitely bring back some of that some of that charm, I think, but 622 00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:53.400 even like down to the email stuff is like it's written like an email from 623 00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:57.559 back then, so it's like kind of cheesy. It's not how people write 624 00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:01.480 emails now. But there's one email you get where the it's the professor I 625 00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:06.400 forget his name, it's the goomba, Professor Frankly. His name is Frankly, 626 00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:08.519 Professor Frankly, and he like sends you this big, long thing, 627 00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:14.000 but he includes his selfie and it's just like this really awkward like of this 628 00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:17.239 goomba with like his like beard and everything and his dumb glasses. And it's 629 00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:22.400 like, like this is funny today because it's it's a boomer photo that he's 630 00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:27.719 attached to this email for no reason whatsoever. It's just the more things change, 631 00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:31.079 the more things stayed the same. But yeah, it's it's really good. 632 00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:35.639 It's yeah, I'm having a blast. I'm like fifteen hours in. 633 00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:37.360 I think it's pretty long. I think Steven said it took him like thirty 634 00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:40.559 five hours or so. I definitely did not finish that as a kid, 635 00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:45.960 Yeah, I yeah, no, master chance. Oh yeah, now that 636 00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:50.159 was my chance with all the time I have in my world life. Yes, 637 00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:52.280 I'd be curious what you think of it. Coming back to it, 638 00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:55.519 I can't know. I like genuinely I like saw it. I was like, 639 00:43:55.679 --> 00:44:00.719 fuck, I fucking I need to God, I do need to finish 640 00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:02.400 thometors first, because I've been playing the game all year. It's like a 641 00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:07.480 thirty hour game too, but I've been definitely playing it in slices between other 642 00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:09.199 games, and it's a very good game to do that with. So now 643 00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:14.880 that I've finished, like Loraa LII and I'll come back to crow Country and 644 00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:17.360 I played Indica and I played played two hours of hell Blade and was so 645 00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:22.719 miserable. And now I'm back to Thometurge. But once I finished theometors Or, 646 00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:27.920 I'll start up Paper Mario and then flip flop between them. Yeah. 647 00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:31.920 I mean all weekend I was flip flopping between the Lowlai and Paper Mario, 648 00:44:32.079 --> 00:44:37.440 and I was having a good weekend. Let me tell you that you have 649 00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:39.199 more games to talk about. We'll get to that in a sect. But 650 00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:43.159 Kurt, I want to switch back over to you for a second, because, 651 00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:46.000 well, one, you just mentioned hell Blade, and I do I 652 00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:51.199 feel like we owe the audience at least and your opinion. You don't have 653 00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:52.599 to go in depth, you don't have to go too long, but you 654 00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:58.920 did say last week I'm gonna check it out. Now you have what are 655 00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:07.679 your thoughts. Well, I was bored out of my fucking mind. I 656 00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:13.199 played about two and a half hours of it, and uh, there's a 657 00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:19.599 lot of things I just I do not like and probably the top and I 658 00:45:19.639 --> 00:45:22.320 think you and Jesse have touched on this already extensively, so I'm not gonna 659 00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:30.360 go to in depth. But it's the it's how ineffective the talking, like 660 00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:35.000 the voices are to you. Yes, so the first game did it so 661 00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:37.519 well, and but I also felt like in the first game, it was 662 00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:39.960 like it was voices that were like could be yours. There are your voices 663 00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:43.519 and they're talking to you, and they established the character like in a situation 664 00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:45.079 in this in a certain scenario, really really would they help you out? 665 00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:47.440 Like they'd buy you and stuff. Yeah, but they're like that's the best 666 00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:51.159 part. It's like they they would, they would like. It was like 667 00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:52.920 it was like the genuine for me, the genuine feeling of what it's like 668 00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:57.519 to have an internal monologue where you're like, you fucking idiot, and then 669 00:45:57.559 --> 00:45:59.480 you're like, all of a sudden, you're just like, actually that was 670 00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:00.119 fucking sick, dude, Like way to go. I don't know, there's 671 00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:04.280 something about that balance, and this game has is just an extension of that, 672 00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:07.159 just like she's so sim or like the voices are like she can't do 673 00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:08.639 it, she can't do it, she can't do it. She did it 674 00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:10.920 behind you like watch out, like she can't do it. Like there's a 675 00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:15.679 balance. But on top of that, now there's just this curmudgeon, fucking 676 00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:21.599 douchebag who's always in your in your head. He's just like, you suck, 677 00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:25.480 You're so dumb, You're an idiot. It was like a good impression, 678 00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:29.800 thank you, and like okay, so like first hour, like I 679 00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:31.320 get it. This guy is just beating you down. So now you have 680 00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:34.880 your voices are gonna be like, oh my god, he's right. This 681 00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:37.679 guy's like you fucking dumb ass. And then you push, you know, 682 00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:42.480 you go through your little cut scenes, you crawl through your little holes, 683 00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:45.960 your crevices in the walls, and you see your close ups and you do 684 00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:51.559 your little fights and like okay, cool, and then you stupid idiot comes 685 00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:52.639 back and it's just like okay, all right, and then by like the 686 00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:57.280 two and a half hour mark, and it was like you're so dumb. 687 00:46:57.320 --> 00:47:00.360 I was like I've had enough. I don't feel like I'm learning anything. 688 00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:02.599 I don't feel like this is like pushing me. I just feel like I'm 689 00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:07.079 being like I know that's probably what the game's trying to do, but it's 690 00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:08.800 not doing it in a way that feels like effective, in a way that 691 00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:12.119 makes me want to overcome it. It's just like, all right, I've 692 00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:15.199 had enough. Like I'm pushing down a path. I have an occasional fight. 693 00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:17.000 I have this fucking voice in my head that's just telling me how stupid 694 00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:20.159 I am. There's like, no, I don't really feel any progression. 695 00:47:20.199 --> 00:47:22.760 I don't really feel any agency in this world. Yeah, I like. 696 00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:27.039 It's also it's also bizarre because the game, the first game is so good 697 00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:32.159 at being this this standalone sort of like mythical thing where you don't really know 698 00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:36.480 if it exists anywhere else outside the world that it is and if that makes 699 00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:39.199 sense. But then this world extends it. This this game extends the world 700 00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:43.519 into a way that makes it feel real, and I feel like it almost 701 00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:47.920 reduces everything the first game had established. It's like they didn't understand I feel 702 00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:51.880 like, hell Blade, I'm sorry. I feel like the Ninja theory didn't 703 00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:55.039 like have a really fully understand the effect of the of the game the first 704 00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:59.320 game they made. So anyways, that's my that's my little closure for It's 705 00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:01.280 like, I don't know if I'm returned to it. I was really frustrated 706 00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:04.400 by it, which is really upsetting because I've been looking forward to it for 707 00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:09.239 years. But how did that brand new PC handle it? How did that 708 00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:16.440 a hitch who in fact? But the new PC handled it great? But 709 00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:22.440 if anything, the PC made me realize how like I gonna sound like such 710 00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:25.840 a jerk because I'm not a game developer. I'm not somebody who makes graphics, 711 00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:30.440 but like, yeah, the game looks amazing, but it's also like 712 00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:34.719 everything's being rendered in like a very small kind of scope, like you're always 713 00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:37.000 on a path in that game, and only like a number of things are 714 00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:40.440 being processed at any one time, and like, well it looks amazing. 715 00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:45.119 It did not impress me in a way that like I was like, holy 716 00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:50.039 shit. But then I blewed up a game like Allen Wake two and I'm 717 00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:53.400 like, this game looks fucking ridiculous and things are being rendered in crazy ways 718 00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:55.440 at all times. It's like, anyways, so yeah, you know, 719 00:48:55.599 --> 00:49:01.039 I think where Helboa two does impress is more in the animations, like the 720 00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:04.960 facial details and the like that's the part where I'm just like wow, that 721 00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:07.519 is like really impressive, and some of the lighting. There is one there 722 00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:13.480 is one shot like right at the end of the game that I like legitimately 723 00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:15.599 thought like it switched to real time, like like real hands. For a 724 00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:17.400 second, I was like wow, and then I was like, Okay, 725 00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:22.599 that's pretty impressive. But you know, to your point, it's like, 726 00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:25.119 but is it. I'm not really moved by anything else happening, so it 727 00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:28.360 doesn't actually matter. And and yeah, and I agree with you about the 728 00:49:28.440 --> 00:49:30.320 environments where it's like they look pretty, but like I don't. I don't 729 00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:32.559 want to beat this game down. It's just I don't. I need to 730 00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:38.400 make it clear that it's like it's just not hitting me and that I people. 731 00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:43.360 There's definitely an argument to be made about my criticisms being things that make 732 00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:45.320 it what it is, so like so it goes. But I do come 733 00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:50.239 from a place of being like I have not been hype. I don't get 734 00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:52.079 over the hip as we started this podcast, and when you asked me what 735 00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:54.320 games we're excited, I was like none, because I need to see them. 736 00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:57.320 I need to play them, I need to feel them. But this 737 00:49:57.400 --> 00:49:59.519 is one of those cases where I was like, I'm so excited for Helpy 738 00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:02.480 too, and I really was just like I, I just it just didn't 739 00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:06.039 I and I just don't think it was a good follow up to Indica. 740 00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:09.239 So like, uh, I have mixed feelings about Indica, but ultimately like 741 00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:14.119 I really do love that game, like that the game's existence and like everything 742 00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:19.239 that game said. But from a gameplay standpoint, coming from India following Indica 743 00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:22.639 to Help Blade, it was like not a good idea, like just yeah, 744 00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:25.519 the movements, like it's interesting because I think like India, probably one 745 00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:30.880 of my bigger criticisms was like a lot of the gameplay felt kind of wrote 746 00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:35.320 like just sorry, you're pushing boxes. It feels very like straightforward and segmented, 747 00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:37.760 which can work, and I think it works in Indica for the most 748 00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:43.679 part, but there are definitely situations where it's like this just almost feels too 749 00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:49.360 like compressed or too simplistic maybe, and like, yeah, I can imagine 750 00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:53.280 going from that to Help Blade, which I feel like is even more constrainting 751 00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:59.039 and even more like simplistic and even more like like I mean I didn't play 752 00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:01.400 enough of Help Blade. Don't seem like there's any puzzles apart from like finding 753 00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:06.320 ruins or whatever. There's one other set of puzzles, but it it they're 754 00:51:06.400 --> 00:51:10.320 very simple. Yeah, yeah, I mean anyway, I'm curious to hear 755 00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:14.239 more about your thoughts on Indica though, because we don't have time for that. 756 00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:19.000 I know, well, you know, I haven't talked to any who 757 00:51:19.119 --> 00:51:21.719 played it. That is another one I also need to. Yeah, maybe 758 00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:27.039 we'll go play and then we'll come back back, because I think there's my 759 00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:30.360 my my closing thing and my small thing with Indica is like where it uses 760 00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:35.960 game gaming design tropes to its benefit, as like a very good tongue of 761 00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:38.039 cheek wink wink, nod nod to the viewer. I think it also equally 762 00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:43.320 falls into the same tropes that I actually i've grown hate in games, like 763 00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:46.440 pushing fucking boxes around and doing these things I feel so like benign and not 764 00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:52.079 really important to push the game for me. Yeah, so that's that's my 765 00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:53.840 other parts of it. But we will talk about that another time, because 766 00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:57.880 I do think India is a game worth playing. Yes, something we do 767 00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:00.480 want to talk about. Jake you went, Toland. I went to Warsaw 768 00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:05.360 again, Yeah, second time, six months. I don't know, when 769 00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:08.960 do we see Cyberpunk in September? It was like yeah, uh yeah. 770 00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:14.800 So I went for an eleven Bit Studios preview. They showed off two games 771 00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:17.119 that I got to play. I got to play both for roughly two hours, 772 00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:21.719 two two and a half hours. It was The Altars and Frostpunk two. 773 00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:25.519 I've written previews on both and I've produced video previews on both. So 774 00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:29.280 if you want to hear like very good, check them out. If you 775 00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:32.880 want to hear more, I don't know focused impressions of those games, probably 776 00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:39.239 check that out. But I really enjoyed both of them. I think eleven 777 00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:42.480 Bit Studios, Kurt, I know we've talked about this, but they're kind 778 00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:45.880 of on a roll. Speaking of Indicathommeterorge, Yeah, they published Indica and 779 00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:50.559 they published they published Thematurge, and now they have these two games. They 780 00:52:50.599 --> 00:52:52.320 were not even on my radar this year and then all of a sudden, 781 00:52:52.360 --> 00:52:55.960 they're just putting out game out. Yeah. I didn't really notice them until 782 00:52:57.079 --> 00:53:00.559 Theometerge and like that popped on my radar purely because like Steam Next Fast and 783 00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:02.239 that's when I was like, I was like, oh, eleven Bit Studios 784 00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:05.679 just putting this out. It's done by I think Focus or something like that. 785 00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:07.239 But again then all of a sudden, Endicome was like, oh e 786 00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:10.079 loven Bit, and then all of a sudden alters eleven Bit. Yeah, 787 00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:13.480 Frostpunk two of Love, and I was like, what is going on over 788 00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:16.280 there? Like they're nailing it. The thing too, is both Frostpunk two 789 00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:20.440 and the Altars are developed internally, so they're not crazy. They're publishing and 790 00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:23.159 developing it, which for Indico was not the case in Photometer it is also 791 00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:29.000 not the case. So they've developed games before. I mean they developed games 792 00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:32.239 before. They they did this War of Mine, right, they did Frostpunk 793 00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:39.840 one obviously, but no, both games are very like they know what they 794 00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:44.519 are doing. They are stylistically like, very focused. It doesn't feel like 795 00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:46.320 they are trying to appeal to a bunch of different audiences. It feels like 796 00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:51.559 we know what our teams are good at and we are going to do those 797 00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:55.639 well. I would say frost Punk two like may seem safer based on what 798 00:53:55.639 --> 00:53:59.360 I played, because you know, they did frost Punk one. You know, 799 00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:04.159 what do you do except for like add new features or whatever. That's 800 00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:07.519 not really what they did. They kind of took a different approach to city 801 00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:13.760 building strategy design. So like with frost Punk, I don't know if you 802 00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:16.760 guys played much Frostpunk, but Frostpunk was very like hour by hour focus that 803 00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:23.280 you had our by hour control of your frost Punk city, where you'd see 804 00:54:23.320 --> 00:54:28.239 your individual workers go off into the mines or whatever, bring things back. 805 00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:32.639 You could, like time literally moved hour by hour. With frost Punk two, 806 00:54:32.679 --> 00:54:37.360 it is a much grander scope. Now it moves day by day. 807 00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:43.519 We'd stack up pretty quickly. You're managing considerably more people. The city itself 808 00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:46.960 can spread out much bigger than frost Punk. So with or with the original 809 00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:51.519 Frostpunk, it was very circular, like you built everything off of the core. 810 00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:55.280 This one, you can really expand your city out rather than building specific 811 00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:59.960 buildings, You're building districts. You can you can, once again to talk 812 00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:02.760 about my previews, you can kind of specialize different districts to focus on things. 813 00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:08.360 And I think on top of that, the presentation I think is excellent. 814 00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:15.800 Obviously it's a unique style, but the UI looks really good, which 815 00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:20.199 is like kind of a weird thing to No, not necessarily really complain with 816 00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:25.000 the state of plays today. It was like, show me the uy seriously, 817 00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:30.800 but I was just really impressed with the presentation of it, full transparency. 818 00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:35.800 Those games I enjoy, but I'm not. My brain doesn't always work 819 00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:38.920 that way, so I'm not the best at them. It gives you more, 820 00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:45.079 I don't know, a more broad grounded Yeah, that's kind of the 821 00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:49.239 angle I was taking with the preview I would say, But no, I 822 00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:52.920 really liked it. I think I think there might be some people who are 823 00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:55.840 like I kind of prefer the original Frostpunk, but I think like this game 824 00:55:55.880 --> 00:56:00.599 doesn't feel like a sequel sequel. It almost feels like a companion piece to 825 00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:04.519 the first frost Punk, where it's like, if you want that style of 826 00:56:05.159 --> 00:56:08.119 city building, that frost Punk exists. If you want this new kind, 827 00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:14.880 Frostpunk two exists. So anyway, pretty positive on that, and then the 828 00:56:14.920 --> 00:56:19.119 Altars, which kind of had me more excited, I think just because I 829 00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:22.159 was able to latch onto that game a little more. But it is a 830 00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:32.320 survival game and management sim and and a story heavy science fiction game that plays 831 00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:37.280 around with the idea of cloning. Because the protagonist lands on a planet. 832 00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:42.400 His whole crew is dead and the only way he can survive is by cloning 833 00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:47.239 himself through a through through a resource that can only be found on this planet. 834 00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:52.800 So essentially he needs to clone himself. But it's not just like cloning 835 00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:58.199 him exactly as he is. You basically have access to like the timeline of 836 00:56:58.239 --> 00:57:02.079 his life, and they're from points in his life. Cloning a Jake ten 837 00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:08.880 years old who didn't actually finish exactly, you know, like let's let's finish 838 00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:13.679 paper mark. See how that would affect them. So it's kind of interesting. 839 00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:16.880 It really like plays on the idea of like nature verse nurture and how 840 00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:22.639 that changes a person, how the environment can affect someone. Yeah, I 841 00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:23.599 would hat. I would hate another meat too. I would beat the shit 842 00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:30.880 out of them. What about Jean make out? Yeah yeah that was actually 843 00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:34.960 a question. I'd be like, I can I make a real kissable clone? 844 00:57:35.039 --> 00:57:36.800 I mean, what else? Yeah, I mean it's just one of 845 00:57:36.800 --> 00:57:39.519 those moments where it's just like we are one, you know, when you're 846 00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:43.880 looking at it's like, hey, we got we look at the mirror the 847 00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:47.159 same person. Hey. Yeah, so you're stuck on a planet, what 848 00:57:47.159 --> 00:57:51.159 are you going to do? Yeah, yeah, that's a good answer, 849 00:57:51.719 --> 00:57:55.800 thank you. But anyway, I feel like it balances a bunch of genres 850 00:57:55.840 --> 00:58:02.840 pretty well. I think like the mechanically it's not it's not as in depth 851 00:58:02.840 --> 00:58:07.400 as something you'd see from a traditional survival game. It's not mechanically as in 852 00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:10.239 depth is something you'd see in like a management sim or base building or anything 853 00:58:10.280 --> 00:58:15.639 like that. But I think all of those different genres keep everything feeling fresh. 854 00:58:15.639 --> 00:58:17.079 At least based on what I played, it sounds like it's to serve 855 00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:20.880 the narrative and to just good, you know. It's it's like I feel 856 00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:25.039 like those games rarely they're like early access. Yeah, yeah, I feel 857 00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:30.079 I feel like those When we were talking about mechanics again, it's like people 858 00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:36.519 will play those games because they mechanically love those games survival and building and all 859 00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:38.880 that shit. But it feels like this is a good balance where it's like 860 00:58:38.920 --> 00:58:43.840 those things have a purpose to serve narrative. The narrative. Yeah, And 861 00:58:43.880 --> 00:58:45.760 when I talk to the director, that's a lot of what he was saying. 862 00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:50.800 I was I was asking about, like how how you go about merging 863 00:58:50.840 --> 00:58:55.320 all of these genres and how you avoid leaning too much into one or not 864 00:58:55.480 --> 00:58:59.679 enough into another, and basically he was like, well, with a game 865 00:58:59.760 --> 00:59:02.920 like this where we are cloning the main character multiple times, but each sort 866 00:59:02.920 --> 00:59:07.199 of clone is supposed to be specialized in different things, it made sense to 867 00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:13.840 build out a game that encompasses many genres, so these different clones can kind 868 00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:16.760 of excel at different things, right, But there's still like a very personal 869 00:59:16.800 --> 00:59:20.079 feel to it because at the end of the day, you are controlling only 870 00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:22.960 one yeah, yeah, which I kind of love. I do too, 871 00:59:23.000 --> 00:59:25.679 and you interact with them, you have to like talk them down, you 872 00:59:25.679 --> 00:59:29.400 know, when you clone them. The first one you clone is very much 873 00:59:29.440 --> 00:59:30.760 like what the fuck? Man? Like, why did you do this to 874 00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:35.599 me? I don't want to be here, like like my whole childhood didn't 875 00:59:35.639 --> 00:59:37.840 exist, Like I'm here to help you, and you have to like kind 876 00:59:37.880 --> 00:59:42.519 of bond with him. And it's kind of cheesy how it plays out, 877 00:59:42.599 --> 00:59:45.360 but but I think like at the center of it, there's something kind of 878 00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:52.199 interesting, introspective about it. I'm excited to see how they explore those themes 879 00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:58.480 because because I think that game could be wacky out there sci fi concepts in 880 00:59:58.519 --> 01:00:00.960 my game, Yeah, but also like it's like, but you said this 881 01:00:01.039 --> 01:00:07.599 earlier. It looks like so premium like it has and like I know, 882 01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:09.239 I know that Dormeters is not made by eleven Bit, but there is something 883 01:00:09.360 --> 01:00:15.239 I do think eleven bits catalog between Indica Amateurs, the Altars and frost Punk 884 01:00:15.559 --> 01:00:23.559 like this very distinct like look like dark look in a way. But yeah, 885 01:00:23.599 --> 01:00:27.440 I think the you're you came back and told them with the Alters, 886 01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:30.360 I was like, that sounds awesome, Like I cannot wait to play that. 887 01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:34.599 Yeah. I was not expecting, not that I was thinking I wouldn't 888 01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:36.800 enjoy it. I was just like, Okay, it's just a survival game. 889 01:00:36.840 --> 01:00:39.920 Whatever. But after playing it, very very interested to see what happens. 890 01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:43.800 And apparently that's supposed to come out this year as well, so that'll 891 01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:46.679 be four games and I and when I was there, they had like a 892 01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:52.559 press conference sort of thing where they were like on a stage like announcing things 893 01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:57.360 for both these games. You can play this. It's like months didn't quite 894 01:00:57.440 --> 01:00:59.960 do that. Well okay, I guess they did, yeah, yeah, 895 01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:02.480 but then they also said there's one more game. That's what's this year that 896 01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:06.800 they're publishing, and I'm just like, holy shit, Like you guys are 897 01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:12.760 located in war so right, Uh, yeah, publishing and their internal teams 898 01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:15.280 are in Warsaw. But I think they're like some of the stuff they're publishing 899 01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:20.199 is outside of works. Yeah, like indiicause it was Russia then they relocated 900 01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:23.119 to Uh. They also they did that game, uh, The Invincible, 901 01:01:23.239 --> 01:01:27.760 which I came out last year. I remember playing the demo of that on 902 01:01:28.360 --> 01:01:32.360 Yeah I looked interesting. It's it's also like kind of got that like almost 903 01:01:32.360 --> 01:01:37.880 premium like Triple A sort of presentation. But it was like a first person 904 01:01:37.880 --> 01:01:42.880 game where you're trapped on are you You've landed on a planet and you're basically 905 01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:47.280 trying to figure out what happened to all these other this other crew of people, 906 01:01:47.360 --> 01:01:51.239 and like they all went and I played the demo and I was like 907 01:01:52.199 --> 01:01:54.440 pretty impressed with what I played. So like they they seem like they are 908 01:01:54.519 --> 01:02:00.800 kind of feeling or feeling that almost like double a that I which needs to 909 01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:04.639 be filled. Like the fact that a game like Theometers is not a full 910 01:02:04.679 --> 01:02:07.280 price game blows my mind, like like just I can't believe it. It's 911 01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:09.320 like and once I know it was like thirty bucks, I was like what 912 01:02:09.320 --> 01:02:12.960 the fuck? Like this is like a thirty hour great, really well written 913 01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:15.159 voice acting. They just added full polish voice acting to that game over the 914 01:02:15.159 --> 01:02:20.920 weekend, Like crazy awesome. I'm so excited about it, genuinely, it 915 01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:23.519 makes it makes us, It makes me feel good about like gaming. Yeah, 916 01:02:23.559 --> 01:02:28.079 And it's like and we're you know, we see these showcases by PlayStation 917 01:02:28.119 --> 01:02:30.719 where it's like these games have probably been in development for fucking years and years 918 01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:35.480 and years and cost a stupid amount of money and like all shutting down other 919 01:02:35.599 --> 01:02:38.159 studios and having layoffs. It's like, I feel like Double A is like 920 01:02:38.199 --> 01:02:43.360 the neat is the thing that needs to save like that sort of sect, 921 01:02:43.400 --> 01:02:46.760 that sort of spectrum of gaming, like just prove that like that audience still 922 01:02:46.840 --> 01:02:52.039 exhibit it don't need this, Like like like Quadruple A game, that audience 923 01:02:52.079 --> 01:02:57.440 didn't disappear. They just haven't been served because you know, like but you 924 01:02:57.519 --> 01:03:01.320 just have to have that expectation, like you're not here to make a bajillion 925 01:03:01.360 --> 01:03:06.159 dollars. You're just here to make your cool double A game that will make 926 01:03:06.239 --> 01:03:09.119 enough money to keep the company profitable and on the next one. And like 927 01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:14.119 because we're all just here to make cool games and like that's the point. 928 01:03:14.199 --> 01:03:20.639 So that's good on you. Eleven bit Yeah seriously. Poland, Yeah yeah, 929 01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:24.679 Poland and Sweden la oh yeah yeah, Swedes and they know what it's 930 01:03:24.760 --> 01:03:32.840 up. I think that's a podcast that is a post pod cast. Uh 931 01:03:34.039 --> 01:03:37.719 and guess what, there ain't gonna be no podcast next week because we're at 932 01:03:37.719 --> 01:03:40.320 Summer Games Fast. Yeah. So, as I mentioned at the top, 933 01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:44.039 Summer Games Fest, that's gonna be happening. I mean, we're gonna be 934 01:03:44.079 --> 01:03:47.519 like, you're gonna get plenty of us, you know, in live streams, 935 01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:54.360 uh, previews, on camera. We might maybe one of us will 936 01:03:54.360 --> 01:04:00.400 show up on John Palm at Night, which is also happening. What do 937 01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:01.639 you What are you doing there, Kurt? What do you I made a 938 01:04:01.639 --> 01:04:04.840 phase above showing up. Yeah, okay, yeah, I'm calling you out. 939 01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:11.599 This is like we'll say, but yeah, you'll you'll be seeing us 940 01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:14.719 around all next week will be plenty busy. But because of that, we're 941 01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:16.719 not gonna be doing a typical podcast, but we will be back the work 942 01:04:16.800 --> 01:04:19.599 after. You're going to see so much of us anyways, yes, exactly. 943 01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:24.440 Yeah, you'll get plenty of us if you want it. But thank 944 01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:27.840 you for listening to another episode Games About After Dark Jake, thank you for 945 01:04:28.800 --> 01:04:31.840 being around. Thank you, Kurt. Fun week, fun episode, not 946 01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:38.400 fun week. Fun week. Yeah, a lot of planning this week. 947 01:04:38.679 --> 01:04:43.719 There's a lot of spreadsheets and Google box, big Google doc week. Kurt, 948 01:04:43.880 --> 01:04:48.320 thanks for uh warming up to it. Yeah, yeah, doing this 949 01:04:48.400 --> 01:04:51.719 thing. Yeah. How are you feeling? Okay? How many what this 950 01:04:51.760 --> 01:04:56.320 is like left you fourth week in a row. To be honest, I 951 01:04:56.320 --> 01:05:02.239 think I'm like, I'm feeling okay, like I feel you know, I 952 01:05:00.679 --> 01:05:04.840 uh, I'm honored. I'm always honored to be here, and I think 953 01:05:05.199 --> 01:05:10.039 I was just you know, insecure. First of all, I don't listen 954 01:05:10.079 --> 01:05:12.599 to podcasts, so that's what we don't need to get in this. But 955 01:05:12.800 --> 01:05:15.440 I feel good. I think I got to at least like maybe you know, 956 01:05:15.920 --> 01:05:19.000 one and a half, one maybe two, maybe three left in you. 957 01:05:19.159 --> 01:05:21.960 Yeah. Okay, well that's good because you texted Stu, right, 958 01:05:23.079 --> 01:05:26.679 who's gonna yeah, okay, good great. I mean, if there's anybody 959 01:05:26.679 --> 01:05:31.960 who should replace me, it's any it's basically everyone, but especially Stu. 960 01:05:33.800 --> 01:05:36.840 You can we can, we can talk this over when the mics are off. 961 01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:40.599 All right, Okay, we're gonna go. I guess we'll go talk 962 01:05:40.599 --> 01:05:43.760 about the Kurds. Future. Yeah, we're talking about who can replace me. 963 01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:50.599 Thank everyone for listening to game Spot after Dark, l A l A 964 01:05:51.000 --> 01:06:17.960 Laura, Laurel Laura. Goodbye b b b b b bod