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psychic Robert Lindsey Milk and that's me. Welcome to My side of the crystal
Ball. Tonight's episode is absolutely out of this world. We're going to be
talking about dimensions and ideas and concepts that have never been on my side of
the crystal Ball before, alien contact, alien induction, abductions, being on
an alien spacecraft, having contact with aliens, and even being moved, moved
around and shuffled, bright lights in the sky, and a myriad of other
things my guest is going to be talking about tonight, and my guest is
Deborah Jacobson, uh former fellow Torontoni and now living on the West coast of
the United States. Before we get to this fascinating episode, though, we
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Now, let's find out what WWORS is all about tonight. I've got a
confession to make. I want to share something with you, very very personal.
Over the past while, in two three years, I've been rather vocal
about being kind. You know, I end this podcast with with just be
kind. I make lots of posts about being kind, and I do a
lot of kind things. People respond in interesting ways and say things about me
because I do such nice, kind things. I have to tell you the
truth. So why I do such nice things, I assure you it's a
purely selfish reason. Let me just give you an example. Last week,
probably Thursday, so you know, four or five days ago, I was
outside sweeping the leaves off the front walkway, the sideway, the sidewalk in
the driveway. And as I was doing that, I have to admit I
was in a really crabby mood. I was just I was just worried about
staff and you know the way, you know how life is, and I
was feeling miserable and cranky. And as I was pushing the broom and sweeping
up the leaves, I looked just down to my left, down the street,
down a big hill. I saw this woman shuffling slowly walking up the
sidewalk. And as she got closer, I was sweeping the leaves as she
and I swept all the leaves from the driveway right to the sidewalk. As
she was getting closer, I was just kind of looking at her and I
saw an older woman. Maybe she wasn't as old as me, but she
looked very old. And her face was wrinkled, not just with age as
in being older, but the wrinkles that someone has on their face when they've
carried a heavyweight their lifetime, when life has been a burden. She was
of a darker complexion than I, and I think she had a walker and
she struggled as she was walking up the sidewalk. She also gave had the
look of being someone that did manual labor, working in someone's kitchen, or
being a cleaner or some type of worker like that. I also had the
sense that now this is all coming to me. I also had the sense
that, you know, she raised children and grandchildren, and you know in
Canada wasn't her native land. She got closer, I also saw her face
was sad. And I don't know what. I don't know what struck me
to do this, but all of a sudden I started to speed up,
as you know, sweeping all the leaves off the sidewalk, and I did
it really, really, really fast. And just as she got to me
on the sidewalk, I looked at her and I said, see, just
for you, a nice clean sidewalk, and she looked at me and her
tired, lean face. She looked back at me and she smiled, I've
been laughing my us all ever. Since Thursday. So the reason I do
kind things, it's because it makes me feel so good. And that's what
Robert has to say. When I think of of extraterrestrials and and spaceships and
things like that, I'm immediately thinking start thinking of Star Trek and and both
the first episodes and with uh Kirk and then and then with with UH the
next Generation, and I kind of see, that's how extraterrestrials or or space
people are, or like that was that your first experience? Is that what
you learned about extraterrest that way? Like was it like we see in Star
Trek? You know, I was a very big fan of Star Trek,
and you know, in watching that now when I look back on it,
I feel like some of those people definitely had to have had some experiences.
So it wasn't just creative writing. So there were some things in there that
I think I could relate to that I felt were part of my experience.
But I would say in my younger years when I started to have experiences,
I wasn't really influenced by that, but I was fascinated more by, you
know, the stories and and just that somebody was actually talking about that,
so, you know, for a lot of people it was entertainment, but
for me, it was like, hey, this has kind of been part
of my everyday life since my youngest years, as far back as I can
remember. When did you first realize or yeah, when did you first realize
you were being contacted by aliens? Or what do you how do you refer
to them? You know, I'm glad that you brought that upright at the
beginning here, because I feel like we give labels to things so that we
can understand what we're talking about. Yes, but what are they really?
Are they intertentional? Are they extraterrestrial? Are they us from the future?
What are they? We don't know exactly? Okay, I don't know,
so I don't have that answer. So I just use these labels because it
helps us to use it as a reference. So I'm going to say my
earliest experiences were very very young. I mean I remember being probably a few
years old and I at night would see lights, balls of light come into
the bedroom and on a regular basis, they would come and visit me.
And I didn't think anything. I didn't I liked it, like it was
very playful, and they when you say, balls coming into your bedroom?
Were they so? What did they look like? Balls? But what did
they? What are they like? So I remember being in my crib and
I would stand out. I can remember really far back. Like probably people
say that children don't can't remember from when they're an infant, but I actually
do, and I have incidents I remember very clear, and I remember standing
up looking out from the crib. And so when I say a ball,
I'm going to say, think of it as a disk around disc spinning,
but not that way, spinning that way and brilliant, brilliant clockway you may
not supposed to. I knew you were going to ask me that, and
I was thinking of that today. Clockwise are counterclockwise, and I actually just
saw one this morning before we start to chat. Are clockwise, like like
a light. So basically, think of a disc, yes, trying any
tiny little pinpoints of the most brilliant light that you can possibly imagine. And
it starts off as a point of light in the darkness, and it starts
spinning, and it gets bigger and bigger and more intense until it's so close
to my eyes that I'm almost blinded by it. Wow, And the intensity
of it and the feeling of it is incredible. I mean, it's like
this connection, it's like a bonding, it's like a belonging, and it's
very enjoyable. I mean, it's really a joyful kind of connection. There's
no fear or anything connected to it. And then there is telepathy. So
do you get encompassed by that bright light or is it just around you?
Around you, as in outside of you, but near you. It comes
right up into my eyes so that at that one point I'm almost blinded by
the brightness center and then it will either go away or I'll see multiples of
them around me. And then at times they'll be communication and usually it's not
too in depth. It's a word or two here or there. And I
used to see these all the time as a child, and to me,
I thought, you know, this is this is normal. I just assumed
everybody saw these beings. What were they doing? They were visiting me.
It was so playful and high. Yep. They would come in at night
and I would just see them and it'd be like hey, you know,
and just playful coming around me. And I was quite young at the time,
so obviously at that point they really weren't saying too much to me,
because you know, my communication skills weren't developed at that young and age.
But at one point, probably a few years later, I shared a room
with my sister and I remember asking her one night, Hey, what are
those lights that come in the room at night? Like who are they?
Because she's my old, older sister and I start to get very curious and
she's like what lights. I'm like, you know, the spinning lights.
And at that point I had this revelation like what do you mean, like
not everybody is seeing these? And she had no idea what I was talking
about. And then I started thinking like, wow, okay, then what
is this because why am I only seeing this? It didn't scare me,
but it was kind of a moment where I was like, so, how
old would you have been then? I had to have been four years old,
maybe three or four years old. Yeah, that's a vibrant memory for
such a young person. I can remember my dad changing my diapers. No,
kidd had an incident where I had my first moment of feeling this is
strange, a little bit embarrassed. My dad was changing my diaper and it
was like my consciousness was outside my body. I was seeing my dad,
and I just had this moment of like, oh, it's changing my paper.
I've never forgotten that, right, Like that's unusual. But so so
you and your sister were sharing the bedroom and then you realized that she wasn't
seeing what you were seeing. Yes, I realized what was that? Like?
It was strange because for me it was normal. So when you're you
know, that young, and you have these experiences, you don't have that
fear, you know, like when you get older you can have experiences and
think like, oh, what is it that's fearful? It was just normal,
you know, it was very normalized to me. So then I really
start to question, like, well, what is this about? And I
had a lot of experiences where I would see things and you know, I
think I kind of scared my parents and they'd be like, oh no,
no, oh, you got your imagination and you know, and I would
argue with them and say, now it's not so what were the what were
the delights doing with you when you're coming? What were they doing with you
when you were sharing the room with your sister? And did they appear but
only to you? She would be sleeping, And so it was never when
she was awake. But I can tell you that in subsequent years when I
would see them, if other people were around, they didn't see them.
But I can share later an instant where people were aware of them and they
sent them, but they didn't see them. So that, in a way
was a little bit of confirmation for me. But I can go into that
a little bit lateater on. You can go into a nash you want anything
you want, right, Yeah, well, I'll tell you this. You
know, at that same time, around that same time, I had an
incident where I was in the family kitchen and my parents were always big on
giving us big meals and feeding us. And you know, their parents came
from tough times in Europe and they didn't have enough food, so you know,
my parents were always like feed them. And I wasn't a big eater,
and so my parents just decided one night, you know, she's gonna
stay there in that kitchen and you're going to sit there and eat that meal,
and you're going to eat it until you're done, and everybody else had
finished. So there I was sitting in the kitchen and it was getting dark
out, and I was sitting there thinking like, I really don't want to
eat this food. And I felt my body kind of jerk up above the
table and we kind of had this interesting kind of a nook around the table,
and it kind of pulled me up over the nook and I felt myself
flying across the kitchen and I am now at this point like in disbelief,
like, oh, what is going on here? I'm flying And my parents
had the windows open because it was warm out it was a summer night.
They didn't have the screen on the window. And I got to the point
where I was over the sink. And at this point I was terrified because
I was not astro projecting. I was physically being pulled, you know,
through the air. And I remember grabbing on to the ledge of the window
and it kept tugging me and tugging me, and I'm holding the ledge.
And we had an empty lot in behind our house, so there was no
home built and there was some kind of craft there. And all I could
think of was I don't want to go, and I just said, please
God, I don't want to go. I don't want to go. And
at that moment, the tugging stopped and I was turned around and I was
brought back to the table. I could see my plate was still sitting there
with the food, and I wasn't there, so I knew it wasn't an
astra projection because I didn't see my body there and I was simply placed back
down in the seat. And at the moment I sat down, were granted
to my mother and start screaming how old were you? That's probably three or
if I think about that house that we lived in, I would have been
three or or four at that time. What did they want with you?
I think so. And this is going to sound strange to some and others
are going to relate. I think I them. I have been one of
them. I felt my whole life that such a deep connection that I think
it's an agreement that we made long before coming here, because it's always been
a part of my life always, and it's never felt strange to me,
and it has not felt fearful in any way. I don't feel like I
had like the negative abduction experiences that some people have where they're going. I
don't feel like this group of beings are those kind that are physically taking you
and experimenting on you. I don't I feel like it's a connection to better
understand our human experience. That's how that's how I feel about it. I
could be wrong because I'm extrapolating because we don't know who they are or what
they are. We don't know how they think, how they process. So
we can only go from our human perspective and say, hey, this is
how it feels to me. But it may not be accurate, but that's
you know, that's all we can do, right. We can only try
to understand our experience that way. So how do they still come to you
now? Or are you still drawn to them? Or did that still happen
in your life? I have a way that if I go into like a
meditative state, that I can call on them. And it's interesting because I
had one this morning. I hadn't seen one in a long time. And
part of that too, I find like if I'm very distracted, I'm kind
of stressed out or just working a lot, then it's sort of like that
gate isn't open so much, but as soon as I can kind of get
into a peaceful space. So they're aware of this conversation because I was about
to ask something. I was about to ask, do you think that there
was that appearance? Because of your appearance with me. Absolutely, Yeah,
they're aware of this. Yeah, what do you think that they would be
gathering from this experience that we're having when you're talking about that, what do
you think that what's that one like wanting to share with people At a time
where I think there's a lot going on in the world, I mean there
always is, but I think we're out of a turning point in our consciousness
and I think there's much more of a normalization of people regarding anything extraterrestrial or
interdimensional. It's becoming part of our mainstream and I think the average person would
say to you right now, yeah, I think it's possible that there are
other beings in the universe. But I think fifty years ago people wouldn't have
said that. But I think if you went back into ancient times, people
would have said, yes, there are. Because I think when the technological
age took over and people just start focusing on everything has to be science has
to be hard facts, material that we can see. They got away from
what maybe that other reality is, and because they're functioning in a different way,
it doesn't mean that our science can measure that. So we have to
kind of be aware of looking at it a different way. Are they a
protection for you as well? I believe so? Really do? I mean?
I had an incident one time where I was living in the Canadian Rockies
and I was driving down the highway. There was only myself and one other
vehicle in front of me, and this vehicle, this truck, on this
very icy road all the sudden put its brakes on. This road was icy,
so I had to break and coming up from behind me was a big
semi truck. Will that truck in front of me put its brakes on because
it decided to cross the median and go to the other side, which obviously
shouldn't be doing well. My car spun out and I ended up head on
in the other lane facing a semi truck, and I could see the whites
of the eyes of the driver in the truck, and it was like,
oh my God, and I thought, this is it. I'm done.
Just there's no way I can get out of this. And at that moment,
when I was within a few feet of head on hitting the semi,
it was like a hand came down from the heavens. It picked up my
vehicle, it turned it around and put it in the other lane, and
all of a sudden, I'm sitting there facing straight ahead in the other lane,
and I could see the semi truck go past me, and the look
on the driver's face was just complete shock, like what just happened? And
I just sat there sitting straight ahead, looking straight ahead, going what just
happened? Something just plucked my car right out from in front of the semi.
So who did that? What did that? Don't know? But there's
just no logic to how that happened. If you were going to guess how
it happened, what would be your best guess. Some kind of tractor being
of some kind, some technology, don't know what it is. Obviously was
not my time, but they or something flucked me right out of the path
of that truck. There was just there's just no logic. Excuse me,
there's there's there's no rhyme or reason to how that could have happened. In
that truck driver's face said it all. It was just like wow, you
know, it was just wow. So you were talking about the Mothership when
when you were a young girl, did you that that that were and that
that you saw it in in your backyard? Is that right or over?
Your backyard. Well, this was I was at a friend's house that was
in my neighborhood and she lived right near a park, and so, you
know, as teenagers, we would go and hang out in the park and
we would talk and I hate to say it, but we would try to
smoke cigarettes, yes, you know that experimental phase, et cetera. And
so we were out there one night and it was summertime, so it was
really warm, and we were chatting and we were kind of just looking up
at the stars and we started to notice the stars were moving. So at
first we just thought, you know, maybe it's a fleet of aircraft,
you know, like maybe the air Force is doing something. But what was
really unusual about it is that these lights that looked very much just like the
sky and the stars were moving together. They weren't moving separately. So obviously,
if you had different aircraft, you'd see the lights moving you know,
differently, like you know, separate, and it wasn't separate. It was
like very black with lights, excuse me. And then it was all moving
together, but it's moving very slowly. And so we were lying there watching
it and we're like, this is just going on and on and on and
on and it was massive. I mean, it just wasn't stopping. For
about half an hour, we sat out there and went, what is this?
What are we what are we seeing here? We couldn't fathom it.
And when it finally came to the end of it, then you could see
the stars again, which looked very different. But it was like it was
camouflaging because it was dark with little lights. So the average person just walking
along looking at the sky might have said, oh, yeah, you know,
it's just the sky, but it wasn't. It had to have been
an absolutely massive, massive ship because we have to have been out there at
least half an hour. What do you think they were looking at or for?
You know that I can't answer, but I'm going to get. I'm
going to get. I think they're I think they're around. I think they're
around all the time, uh, for you or everybody? I mean for
I think for everyone, I think they're around the planet. They are here,
They're very much a part of our space, but we don't see them
if we don't know how to tune into it, and we're very distracted.
You know, our lives are filled with a lot of distraction, you know,
But if you stop and I think that's why people who meditate have a
lot of experiences. Okay, that's just you know, slowing slowing things down
enough to see them. So you've you've seen the ships or the way they
get around. Have you ever been on one? Well, that's a good
question, so it's certainly an obvious one, the obvious question. When I
was about well, this was in sixty seven. This happened so sat night.
Nobody had air conditioning in those days. I remember that. That's summer
of sixty seven. Very very well. Gosh, yeah, excuse me,
I'm having some allergies today. And we in my bedroom. My sister and
I shared this bedroom, and we have this very broad window that almost covered
the whole wall, and we have the windows open because it was hot and
it's very very humid, and we didn't want to go to bed because it
was a summertime and we weren't in school, and you know, parents would
let you stay out till nine o'clock at night, but then it was like
they wanted their peace and quiet, so up to bed you went. And
so my sister's bed was near the window and mine was just a little bit
apart from her, and we were doing what a lot of kids did,
which was we were jumping on the bed. We're jumping on the bed,
and my sister was she was face and I was looking out the window.
So we're jumping and we're laughing and giggling, and right at the window,
all of a sudden, I see an extraterrestrial vehicle like right at the window.
So I, what, what does it look like? I mean,
Robert, it was right, okay. So it had kind of a typical
saucer shape. It looked very white and essent on the bottom. The top
had almost looked like like translucent, but with a kind of a bluish turquoise
color. It did have some kind of a sound emanating, and it went
just slowly past the window enough for me to see it. And it went
slowly past, and I stopped. I was in such utter shock that you
know, we were jumping and laughing and having a good time, and then
I suddenly stopped and I I was pointing, and I couldn't speak because I
was in such shock, and I was like, you know till I could
finally get out. Look. Look, and my sister's looking at me,
like, what's going on, what's wrong? What's wrong, and then I
just blurted it out. You know, in those days, I said,
oh, I saw like a spaceship, a spaceship, and I ran downstairs
because you know, my parents would sometimes sit out in front of the house
at night and people would sit on their porch and look out, and I
ran out. They weren't out there, but there was a dog that someone
had tied to a lamp post, so I don't know if they were just
visiting someone or something. And the dog was going crazy. The dog was
trying to pull off the rope and it was barking and going crazy. And
I never forgot that because I remember thinking back, well, you know,
it's probably reacting to to this, and to me, that was shocking.
And I even drew a picture of it. I had the mind to draw
a picture and do a description. And then there was a radio station that
you know, like teenagers would listen to and and and you could call into
and I remember calling them and you know, just saying like, oh,
I think I saw this. Was it Chum? By any chance it was
Chum? It was Chum. And then I remember thinking like should I call
like the Air Force? Whatever? But I mean I had the mind to
think like maybe I should tell someone this, But that was my that that
was major because I felt like they showed themselves to me like that on purpose.
For me to see it, for them to go so slowly and just
cruise by my window, I mean amazing. And again I wasn't afraid,
but it was just just utter, you know, shock and disbelief that it
could be right there in front of my window. So what color was it?
Again that you saw? The bottom of it was white, but it
could also have been just like very silver or light. It was kind of
like luminescent at the top of it was almost like a dome that was also
had a luminescent look to it, so it didn't give off light, but
it was light inside of it. Okay. And then there was a sort
of a sound, almost like a beeping of some kind that caught my attention.
What scale was it? Was it a high sound or a low sound?
That beeping? It was a high sound, definitely was a thrill or
a hum. Later experiences I had it was a hum, but this was
not. This was to me audibly, It just sounded like a real high
pitch beeping. Okay, that kind of a vibration. Yeah, and it
didn't frighten you. You were more different. What's this or I mean,
I'm jumping on my bed as a kid, having a good time, and
now suddenly right in front of my window. And in fact, it was
big enough that it took up the whole window. So I saw the beginning
of it, and then it took up the whole span see up the window,
and then as it moved along, I could see, you know,
the end of it. But your sister didn't see it. She was facing
me, oh okay on the bed because we were talking on the bed,
laughing and talking to each other. And what's interesting is when I've talked to
her about it in later years, she then says she did see it.
That wasn't my experience at the time, so it's you know, I don't
know if she did see it or not, but she certainly did know that
thing happened, and that she saw my reaction and that I couldn't speak because
I just was in such shock and running outside and I didn't see it though,
I mean I looked up, it was gone. So for me for
that to have happened, I feel like, well, they put on a
show for me. They put on a display and they wanted me to see
them. Is there Do you think that there's any connection to those lights that
were coming in when you were a little kid, to that that ship that
was going by in front of your window. Do you think do you think
that they were preparing you for connection? I think so. I think it's
related. Now, are they the same beings? Hard to say, because
I think like there are many of them and maybe they even work together,
just like we do with other people from other communities, other countries. So
heart to say, because I think I have not identified where they are from,
but others have told me in experiences where they're saying they're from. But
these beings have never really told me, and I've never felt like it was
that important to identify it. But I did get an interesting message about sort
of reaching out later on, and I think they were building me up to
a point where it was normalized for me, that I wouldn't be afraid and
that the connection could be more significant, more meaningful as I grew up and
became more mature and could process information more so. And so it's kind of
good that they did it from a young age because then I wasn't afraid,
and I was used to seeing them, and then when these experiences happen,
they were enjoyable. I mean I I appreciated them, and I could process
them, and it was like a little bit of a leaking of information here
and there and there and there to build up to a more meaningful connection with
them. So you were being groomed, yeah, in a sense, in
a sense. I mean I wouldn't use it groomed in the negative sense,
like how you know some people use that word, but yeah, groomed,
but mine was mine was was was neutral. You were being prepared for something,
correct. Yeah, So just kind of how about groomed, nurtured,
nurtured, groomed in a nurturing way. I think so because none of it
was fearful, groomed as if they were brushing your hair exactly okay and saying,
hey, we're connecting or we're reconnecting, or we're safe for you.
Yeah, And I enjoy that connection immensely, But I have I feel that
I have seen other types of beings. So there was an incident where do
you ever get a right on one of the one of their ships. Well,
you know, I'm going we can we can wait till the end,
but I'm going crazy wondering. You know, your driving would be crazy.
Well, there was an incident where I had been sort of meditating. I
had gone into a deep meditation, and in having done that, I have
astro projected a few times, not meaning to, but in having had that
experience, realizing that you can travel but not you don't have to be in
your body, and you can be one fully conscious, And that's how I
felt. This incident happened where I had made this connection and I found myself
on board what seemed like a light ship, but like I was in a
sort of a galley around galley, I was with a group of people.
There was a tall blonde being wearing sort of like a one piece kind of
a blue suit, and we were being given some like a tour, but
it was like instructions. Nobody was really speaking. It was all telepathic and
I saw this being he was showing us something and it was like the top
of this panel of this ship that was very illuminesced inside, So it wasn't
like regular lights, but it was illuminated somehow. So I don't know how
they do that. That's some part of their technology. It opened up and
I could see the sky, I mean I could see outer space essentially,
like it wasn't within our atmosphere. And he took something and he launched it,
and I remember thinking, no way, I cannot believe it. Here
I am with these beings that I would assume are so advanced. Are you
launching a rocket to shoot at someone? My heart kind of sunk. And
he immediately looked at me and said to me telepathically, No, we're launching
a probe to test this environment, the environment in this area of space.
Wow, that was a response. So he immediately picked up on me,
thinking like, oh, so are you worrying beings just like what's going on
on our planet. Was like, no, it's a probe. It's a
probe. Yeah. So that was because they were checking out the environment for
them. Would it be safe for them to go to Is that what they
were doing? If he did explain further, I don't remember the rest of
that conversation. The most significant part was that they were testing that area of
space. Oh, some kind of probe. So whichever area of space we
were in, they were launching it and for some reason they were testing it,
whether it was for safety, or just learning about it. But do
you remember moving along with this other group of people. So there were other
humans there with me, and we were just kind of like getting this tour.
We're getting this tour and all of you projecting or having yourselves projected into
that environment, but all of you around the world or perhaps in other planets
or other other uh galaxies, done appearing because because in those things there is
no distance, right. So yeah, I mean, I don't think I
was in my physical body, but I was conscious, just like when I
had my first astra projection experience, I was one hundred conscious. I could
look around the room, I could look down at my body in utter shock
and dismay, like what am I? How can I be there? But
yet I'm also here and I can see the room and and and So I
think that experience happened so that I would learn that we can have those experiences,
but we don't have to and there are limitations on these physical bodies.
These physical bodies are basically good for where we live. It's on this planet,
but it may not be able to travel other distances in these bodies.
Oh, do you think that actually you could be related to these beings?
Having a physical experience and they're monitoring your physical experience. Had you ever considered
that concept that you're one of them or an extension of one of them?
Sorry, yes, I mean that is exactly what I think. Oh,
okay, that's what I have come to another lucky guess. That was very
good extrapolation. But it's more than that. I mean, it's really a
feeling that I've got the sense of belonging, never having it been negative,
but also just lots of sort of internal conversations that I had many times after
experiences with just information that would kind of flow through, and it was just
explaining, like the human experience, what is the human experience? They're here
to also learn about us. Whatever this group is, it's a very compassionate
group. And I'm going to be honest, I don't think every extraterrestrial is
here for our benefit, not that I would say, like, you know,
I don't want to go to that sort of dark side where I say
that they're all bad either there's something in between. But you know, here's
the thing. We don't know anything about them other than our own experience,
as I said earlier, and we have a scale in this world that we
call something good or bad. Right, So let's just say like when you're
experimenting on a species of animal and we're trying to help them, we're trying
to save them, trying to make their world safe, maybe bring them back
to help when we capture them. To them, it's just fearful, like
they don't know what we're doing and the only thing they can extrapolate is like
this other being has grabbed me and is doing something to me, but yet
our intention is different. So I think it's the same in some instances where
like we we can only know our own experience, we don't really know why.
But if you can get to the point where you're having a communication with
them, remember they've got to change their vibration as well, and so do
you to communicate. And that was that was an experience that I had up
in the high desert. So I had gone out with a group of people.
I knew, are we going to the high desert now? Because that's
what I was going to ask, Yeah, let's go to the idea,
Let's go to the high desert because this is going to lead into a series
of very fascinating events. Okay, very impactful, very very fascinating and I
think on this side is going to be more fascinating. Actually, so let's
let's just let's just get more fascinated. Just let it. Let's let's let's
do it. Let's go there, let's go right. So I knew before
going on this trip that I would see my same beings that I have been
seeing since childhood, and they just communicated with me that they were they would
be there. I just knew it. I mean in my gut, I
was one hun sure, and I mean I could see them anywhere, but
this situation was the most overt it was. It was just mind blowing actually,
and so much of all my whole life, all my experiences with them
were leading up to the next several series of events that I'm going to share
with you. So yeah, I mean it was really something. So I
was out in the high desert and I was where is the high desert?
Uh So, southern California? Okay, remember, yeah, you know where
I'm from, Toronto, you know, so Toronto, Southern California. And
there's quite some different areas that some people call the high desert, like around
Palm Dale, that's the high desert around you know, other areas outside of
La there's the high desert, and I had planned to go out with a
group of people just to go do like a SkyWatch for a few nights.
And so we had gone out a few nights before and we weren't seeing that
much, but it's always nice to sit out under the stars. And then
this particular night, I just knew something was going to happen. I mean
I knew it in my gut. And so we parked down this little dirt
road and I had just met this new friend that was in this sort of
in this group, and we drove up together and we were and this person
too had had lifelong connections with ets, and he would draw them to him.
I mean he would go places and he would see them. I mean,
so his connection was very strong, and so maybe the two of us,
I think our energies were really helping to amplify things. And I really
didn't know him very well at that time, I mean I'd only known him
for a few days, but we happened to be in the same vehicle to
go up to the spot. We were walking down this dirt road and the
group had gotten there maybe ten minutes before us. So as we're walking down
this road and it's completely dark now, but we could see off in the
distance the people that were already at the meeting spot. There were some flashlights,
and all of a sudden, I saw my beings but I had never
I mean it was huge. They were massive. It was like big and
tall bell it was. It was the disk. Oh okay, And it
started to come toward me, and it was scintillating, and the lights coming
out of these little pinholes was so intense, and it glombed on my face
and I had to stop and I said to lights. The lights glombed on
and I could not see. I mean, I couldn't physically see, and
I stopped and I just said, they're here. Oh my god, they're
here. They're here. And I kept shaking my head like this because I
couldn't see, I couldn't see to walk like I literally couldn't walk, and
I would shake it off, and then I would walk a bit and it
would come back to me in my face. And he was sensing something was
going on, like he could feel like vibrationally, like the air was static,
like static electricity in the air. That's how it felt. And so
I kept shaking it off, going like I cannot see where I'm going.
And so we finally arrived at this meeting place and people were kind of out
and about, still just kind of walking around. So I sat down on
this chair, I put my pack down, and when I looked down,
this thing was sitting on my lap. It was on my lap because I
looked down and it's like, you're we want you to see us. This
is important. You have to experience it. And I'm describing this to this
person sitting next to me. It was. It was remarkable. It was
so intense, and I felt the energy in my body like from up,
like the waist up almost like my vibration was very different, and I was
having a hard time breathing at first, and then I just said, okay,
you got to you gotta change your vibration with this, and just go
with it. Just go with this. And then I started to see literally
hundreds hundreds of them everywhere all around me, and somebody was walking down one
of the trails started to call out and they said, God, hundreds of
lights or hundreds of hundreds of the beings light being okay, yes, hundreds
of the light beings. And somebody called out and said, come down.
The trail. Come down the trail and there was a group of people and
they were sensing energy all around them. But what they didn't see was what
I saw, which was these beings. These light beings were all around them
and they were going up and down people's spine, going around their head,
going in and out of the group. It was the most remarkable thing I
probably ever experienced. So people were sensing it, but I was seeing them,
and they were coming toward me, and I mean there had to be
hundreds, maybe thousands. I mean the space was packed with them and they
were all around us, so people were definitely aware of them. But what
I was seeing was so intense, and people really enjoyed it. It wasn't
scary. I mean again, it was like a very positive feeling that everyone
was feeling, and so we all I started to kind of walk back to
the meeting place, and people were kind of going off on their own little
paths. I don't know if you've ever been out in the desert, but
you know, once you it's all it's very open. So once you can
see a meeting space, you can literally just kind of walk across the desert.
I got separated from the group a little bit, and as I was
walking, this is just remarkable. I'm walking along, I'm looking down at
the desert where I'm walking so I don't walk into a cactus, and an
object gets thrown at my feet, right in front of me. So they
threw a luminescent object right at my feet, like literally right in front of
me. I'm looking at this, I kneel down, and I'm in utter
disbelief. So it was a dumb bell shape, you know, the typical
down bell that kind of has a hexagon. It was the brightest, brightest,
shiniest silver you could even imagine. And again it had the tiny little
pinholes of light, and it was giving off so much light that it lit
up the desert. So I'm in the pitch dark. I'm out in the
desert. You know, there's no lights, there's no ambient light from a
city or there's nothing out there. And this object gets thrown in front of
me, at my feet, and it lights up the desert around it,
and I am looking at this, going, what is this that you're showing
me? I mean, they threw it as if somebody went like that and
threw it right at your feet, and it stopped me, and I'm just
staring at it, and I was like hypnotized by it. It was so
intense, and I just sat with it for a moment, staring at it,
pondering like is this your ship? Because we have this idea about size
too, don't we A ship has to be large or small. And all
I could get from it is I think this is some mode that they use
for either transportation or I don't know. And then just like that disappeared,
completely gone. So at this point, I'm almost just drunk all this stuff.
I mean, my energy is vibrating through the roof and I kind of
just stagger back to the group and sit down. And this friend that I
had met that I came with could see that I was just I don't want
honestly use the word shaken in the way that like it's bad, but just
utterly like what just happened. And so people were kind of talking a bit
about their experiences, and then we just said, like, let's all close
her eyes for a minute and just kind of have a moment of silence and
think about it. And in that moment, in front of me, I
saw the face of a being and it was a woman. She had a
very mottled kind of a skin color. I'm sorry, what just modeled being?
So it's sort of like spotty, okay, spotty, kind of a
agey greeny brownie color. And she showed me her head, like spinning around
so that I could see all the dimensions of her head. She had little
points that almost looked a bit spiky. So was it like a Linne dea
Blair in the Extorcist spinning around or was it like, oh, okay,
but it was nothing else. Okay, she just showed me the head,
okay, high cheekbones, yeah, very cat like eye that were completely dark,
no pupil, spinning around and I'm looking at this and the detail of
it in just disbelief, like am I actually seeing this right now? And
then she turns to me and she says telepathically, why do you look to
the skies to see us when you can meet us in consciousness? Whoa?
That was her message, and then she was gone, right, So it's
not about us up there, It's about this is how we're going to meet
in our consciousness. That's how we will connect. That's the connection that humans
need to make. And yes, we show ourselves to you because it's a
way of sort of letting you know we're here. But when you want to
get to the deeper levels, it's going to be about meeting and concent siousness.
It's not going to be about just going and seeing a ship. How
did that affect your life? It was massive, It was absolutely massive,
but joyful. Yes, of course, because it's like, this is this
is what I live for, very simply by what you're talking about and how
I'm sensing what you're what you're feeling. This isn't this isn't a burden to
you. This this this is an enlightening experience for you. So yes,
highly enlightening and it gives you another purpose from the mundane daily life that we
live. And for me, it's it was like this is I appreciate this
connection with them and that they would do this for me to show up in
such an overt way. And your art and when you're painting your rocks and
and things like that, are you also giving messages from from those that side
to this side that in your art work? Are you is that part of
your art as well? It is a lot of created a little comic character
called a space. Yes, yes, And you know you heard of the
Where's Waldo? Well, all of my art has a little space. This
was Where's Waldo? Want? Yes, yes, I have there. I
also wrote a children's book called Adventures of the Space Newbies, and it's based
on these little alien beings and they live above a beautiful planet where there's flowers
and plants, and basically they're the caretakers of the planet. And so they
go down and they work in the gardens, but they live in little skypods
above it. So they're the caretakers. And that is something that sort of
came out of a lot of my experiences, is that our purpose here was
really to be caretakers of the planet, and somehow we got off line on
that we somehow lost our way. We are here to take care of this
planet is phenomenal, even amongst the universes the galaxies. This is a gem,
and we've lost our way somehow, and if we continue to we will
lose our privilege of being here. Deborah Jacobson quite potentially a second or third
cousin, once removed to me. How can other people find you and discover
more about your spiritual and extra extra extra I'm not quite sure how to say
How can people find out about about your travels with and connections with other beings
that you're related to. Well, you know, I don't have a website
or anything. I just consider how can I Well, if people want to
email me, they can certainly do that. If you want to post that
I have experiences, I'm happy to have them reach out because I think it's
important for people to share, you know, what they're experiencing and know that
it can be very positive, it can be How can we find your book
on Amazon? On? I think it should still be on there, Adventures
of the Space Newbies and you b I e s the children's book, but
you know, it does have lessons in it which I think are part of
that message that, you know, let's start taking care of the planet and
taking care of ourselves and thinking about our attitudes, being kinder to each other.
We've got to stop the warring and everything else doing. There are there
are higher purposes, and it's not a given that we will always be here.
It is just not given. So is there any other media places where
people could find you that you would like them to know about. Well,
I actually I don't know. If we have a minute, we have all
the time you want do want people to see? I don't know. Do
you have the photo? There was a photo that I might want to share.
Do you have I think Michelle would have it. Okay, I might
be able to share it here. Well, I just want to. I
want to. I want to share this with folks because I think this is
important, because you know, we all experience things differently, and we all
process information differently. And I'm not trying to make anybody believe anything. I
kind of got past that a long time ago. Well, and I know
my experiences are authentic. And when I hear some experiences of other people that
I think are kind of way out there, I think of mine and go,
well, hey, what's to you know? I know my experience was
real. What's to say that their's was not? You know, But when
you have something that you really can show people, I think it's important.
And so let me do it just a brief lead up to this, and
I may be able to share my screen and actually show you the photo because
I think I have it here. This friend that I had met in this
last experience, we stayed in touch and for a while we decided we would
sort of try to develop our psychic abilities, and so on a weekly basis,
we would choose a photo or we would even draw a photo, and
then we would focus on it and try to send elements of that image to
each other, and then we would meet up that week and we would talk
about what we were picking up. So we really kind of started to over
several months, develop some pretty good skills with that. And during one of
those conversations late at night, I suddenly got this intense download of information.
And it was interesting because this person and was living on the other side of
the country. I'm out here Western US, and we both suddenly felt a
presence. And this person said to me, this is really weird, but
I feel like there's somebody in the room, and so did I and we
almost had like goosebumps. And I got this massive download of information from this
group. They said they were from Lyra. I really didn't know anything about
Lyra. I have to go look it up. And they said, well,
I mean, they were giving the images of them and they were saying,
we are part of your family. You come from this group, this
is where you're from. And they gave some personal messages for a particular person
that needed some healing. And without going into more detail on it, they
basically said, if you go to this location, we will show ourselves to
you, and they gave us a specific location. So that's set in motion
a trip that we decided, well, let's just do this because it was
so impactful to us, and the energy was so strong that when they left
we could also it was almost like, you know, like a relief,
like we really felt. And it's not like I'm a channeler, I don't
call myself. So they looked like very not gray, but very light colored.
They did have the oval eyes. They weren't like the short grays.
They were actually kind of very tall and very long arms and very long fingers.
Did you like the way they looked didn't bother me at all. The
energy wasn't in any way negative, and they were giving some important messages about
a specific person. So she felt the energy. I felt good. I
wasn't afraid, and it was such a powerful connection. Now it might have
been related to what happened previously, because here I am talking to the same
person who had the previous experience with me, and so we decided we're doing
this road trip, like we we are going to go to this place that
they told us. They said, if you go there, we all show
ourselves to you. And I think they wanted to do it so they knew
it was authentic. But I also feel like it's a learning experience for people
who hear this. And I will tell you this. I have shown this
photo to people, I have explained it to them, and many many of
them draw a complet blank. They get into a very strange space when they
see it. My expectation was people were going to go, wow, oh
my gosh, an authentic picture, like she was told to go there,
she took this picture, this being from Lyra showed up. But that has
not necessarily been the experience. So people experience this in a different way,
and it's just not right or wrong. It's just where they're at at that
moment. And for some people, it's like they feel like they want to
really know about it, but they don't. They're not ready, they're not
so and that's okay, because they're seeing that photo for a reason. There's
a reason for it. So so leading up to going to that space,
we took the road trip and we were it's pretty far down a back road
where we had to go, and on the way down that back road.
So I was a passenger. This friend that I had met was in the
front seat, and we had someone in the back. And so we're driving
along. It's starting to get later. We're trying to go to the B
and B where we're going to stay overnight, and my friend says to me,
something's going on here. I have a really strong metallic taste in my
mouth. And at that very moment that he said that, the top of
my head started buzzing and I just said, stop the car right now.
And at that very moment, a deer jumped out of the bush and it
came so close to the car that we brushed its tail. Wow. We
brushed its tail. Wow. And he stops the car, and I mean,
what do you think that bookal response would have been like, oh my
god, oh wow. You know, my heart's pounding. We almost hit
this deer. It would have come in right on my side and hit me.
But we didn't. We had almost no reaction. We just went,
oh wow, okay, and we carried on. We went to the B
and B. And the next morning we got up and I was eating breakfast
and I said, you guys, listen, that experience we had here.
Think about it. Not one of us reacted. You know, I'm yelling
stop the car. We almost hit a deer, it almost crashes in the
window. We had almost no reaction, and they went, you're right,
what in the world was that about. We didn't even react, So I
don't understand that. I don't know, but I think there was an intervention
there that happened, or maybe something else happened and we don't remember, but
not one of us reacted. And there's no way. I mean, I
can be a little bit of a jumpy driver. If somebody cuts me off,
I'm like, you know, I'll react. And we had no reactions.
So that was the precursor to something else happening later that night, and
we went out just to a big open space, and the third person wanted
to stay behind, and so we just went out, and you know,
I felt like, I'm going to go there with an open mind, and
if these lyrens do show up, great, and if they don't, I'm
okay with it. At least at least I tried. So I didn't want
to have a big expectation. So we sat out till quite late, and
at one point I started to feel sort of a build up of energy and
then it was weird, like it just completely dissipated. So we were thinking,
well, maybe we should just head back to the being being. We'll
come back tomorrow. And then I said, you know what, let's just
take some photographs, you know, let's just do some rapid fire photographs.
So we went ahead and did that, and we didn't really notice anything else
special happening. And we went back to the room and the next morning I
was looking through my photographs and there it was. So what happened is I
took a series of photos and we were looking out into a dark, huge
open field. There were some other you know, just sort of like lawn
chairs that were out there. Nobody else was out there but us. There
were no there were no people. It's completely black. And then in the
next shot we see this interventional being and then the next shot completely gone.
So before nothing, one frame the being, the next frame nothing. And
it's an amazing photograph. So let me just see if I can pull it
up. And I believe it is that that being from from from Lyra.
That's the only thing that I can potentially say that if you did you include
it in your press package? Does does Michelle have a copy. She does.
I mean, if you don't, then then then Caylee will post it
with the show. Okay, yeah, why don't we just do it that
way and you will all just describe what you will be seeing is there's a
being. It's standing next to a lawn chair and we're on some benches in
behind it. You'll see that it's leaning over and looking right at us.
You'll notice on the chest it has a very very bright, brilliant luminescent some
kind of medallion. Okay, I don't know what it is, but it's
on its chest. You'll see the face, You'll see the eyes. It's
definitely not a human face. It's some kind of extraterrestrial type face. You'll
see the mouth, you'll see the arm, and you'll just see it.
I mean, there's no doubt, and it's not completely solid. It's like
it's phasing in. That's what I'm going to describe it that way. It's
just kind of phasing in, but not you know, it cannot that picture
can't be mistaken as if, oh, well, that's just a person out
in the field. Absolutely not. You'll see that right away. What fascinating
stories. Thank you so much. You are so welcome and I hope if
anyone listening to this it helps them in some way, then that's really my
purpose of sharing all this. Wow, what an amazing, unbelievable show tonight.
I'd like to thank my guest, Deborah Jacobson, fellow native Torontonian now
living on the West Coast, for sharing all your insights about your connections with
aliens, UFOs and a million other things. Thank you Deborah for joining us.
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