1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,599 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best in paranormal talk radio 2 00:00:06,799 --> 00:00:32,880 in the UK and around the world. Hey everybody, we're here Alive and 3 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:38,079 Thrive in Toronto, home of Blue Jays, Raptors, Make Beliefs and Canadian 4 00:00:38,119 --> 00:00:44,560 psychic Robert Lindsey Milk and that's me. Welcome to My side of the crystal 5 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:51,399 Ball. Tonight's episode is absolutely out of this world. We're going to be 6 00:00:51,439 --> 00:00:58,479 talking about dimensions and ideas and concepts that have never been on my side of 7 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:07,120 the crystal Ball before, alien contact, alien induction, abductions, being on 8 00:01:07,599 --> 00:01:15,879 an alien spacecraft, having contact with aliens, and even being moved, moved 9 00:01:15,879 --> 00:01:19,760 around and shuffled, bright lights in the sky, and a myriad of other 10 00:01:19,879 --> 00:01:25,760 things my guest is going to be talking about tonight, and my guest is 11 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:34,519 Deborah Jacobson, uh former fellow Torontoni and now living on the West coast of 12 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,400 the United States. Before we get to this fascinating episode, though, we 13 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:44,519 have a couple of requests. If you're watching us on YouTube, please like, 14 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:49,359 comment, and subscribe to our channel. 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You can find me on my website www dot 25 00:02:45,479 --> 00:02:51,639 Robert Lindsaymiln dot com. You can also find me on Instagram and TikTok. 26 00:02:52,639 --> 00:03:04,479 Now, let's find out what WWORS is all about tonight. I've got a 27 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:09,120 confession to make. I want to share something with you, very very personal. 28 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,960 Over the past while, in two three years, I've been rather vocal 29 00:03:16,879 --> 00:03:23,159 about being kind. You know, I end this podcast with with just be 30 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:30,879 kind. I make lots of posts about being kind, and I do a 31 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:40,360 lot of kind things. People respond in interesting ways and say things about me 32 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:47,199 because I do such nice, kind things. I have to tell you the 33 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:55,919 truth. So why I do such nice things, I assure you it's a 34 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:02,240 purely selfish reason. Let me just give you an example. Last week, 35 00:04:02,639 --> 00:04:09,000 probably Thursday, so you know, four or five days ago, I was 36 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:16,160 outside sweeping the leaves off the front walkway, the sideway, the sidewalk in 37 00:04:16,199 --> 00:04:20,319 the driveway. And as I was doing that, I have to admit I 38 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:26,680 was in a really crabby mood. I was just I was just worried about 39 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,240 staff and you know the way, you know how life is, and I 40 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:34,279 was feeling miserable and cranky. And as I was pushing the broom and sweeping 41 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:40,680 up the leaves, I looked just down to my left, down the street, 42 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:46,680 down a big hill. I saw this woman shuffling slowly walking up the 43 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:53,480 sidewalk. And as she got closer, I was sweeping the leaves as she 44 00:04:53,879 --> 00:04:58,600 and I swept all the leaves from the driveway right to the sidewalk. As 45 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,480 she was getting closer, I was just kind of looking at her and I 46 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:08,920 saw an older woman. Maybe she wasn't as old as me, but she 47 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:16,600 looked very old. And her face was wrinkled, not just with age as 48 00:05:16,639 --> 00:05:25,920 in being older, but the wrinkles that someone has on their face when they've 49 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:32,839 carried a heavyweight their lifetime, when life has been a burden. She was 50 00:05:32,879 --> 00:05:41,399 of a darker complexion than I, and I think she had a walker and 51 00:05:41,439 --> 00:05:48,560 she struggled as she was walking up the sidewalk. She also gave had the 52 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:58,040 look of being someone that did manual labor, working in someone's kitchen, or 53 00:05:58,319 --> 00:06:02,800 being a cleaner or some type of worker like that. I also had the 54 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,720 sense that now this is all coming to me. I also had the sense 55 00:06:06,759 --> 00:06:12,639 that, you know, she raised children and grandchildren, and you know in 56 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:19,000 Canada wasn't her native land. She got closer, I also saw her face 57 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:26,959 was sad. And I don't know what. I don't know what struck me 58 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,600 to do this, but all of a sudden I started to speed up, 59 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:36,160 as you know, sweeping all the leaves off the sidewalk, and I did 60 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:40,639 it really, really, really fast. And just as she got to me 61 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,800 on the sidewalk, I looked at her and I said, see, just 62 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:49,800 for you, a nice clean sidewalk, and she looked at me and her 63 00:06:49,959 --> 00:06:58,839 tired, lean face. She looked back at me and she smiled, I've 64 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:05,240 been laughing my us all ever. Since Thursday. So the reason I do 65 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:13,639 kind things, it's because it makes me feel so good. And that's what 66 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:26,480 Robert has to say. When I think of of extraterrestrials and and spaceships and 67 00:07:26,519 --> 00:07:33,439 things like that, I'm immediately thinking start thinking of Star Trek and and both 68 00:07:33,519 --> 00:07:41,240 the first episodes and with uh Kirk and then and then with with UH the 69 00:07:41,279 --> 00:07:49,600 next Generation, and I kind of see, that's how extraterrestrials or or space 70 00:07:49,759 --> 00:07:58,079 people are, or like that was that your first experience? Is that what 71 00:07:58,199 --> 00:08:03,000 you learned about extraterrest that way? Like was it like we see in Star 72 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:11,519 Trek? You know, I was a very big fan of Star Trek, 73 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:18,000 and you know, in watching that now when I look back on it, 74 00:08:18,399 --> 00:08:22,480 I feel like some of those people definitely had to have had some experiences. 75 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:28,319 So it wasn't just creative writing. So there were some things in there that 76 00:08:28,519 --> 00:08:33,840 I think I could relate to that I felt were part of my experience. 77 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:39,519 But I would say in my younger years when I started to have experiences, 78 00:08:39,799 --> 00:08:46,519 I wasn't really influenced by that, but I was fascinated more by, you 79 00:08:46,519 --> 00:08:52,399 know, the stories and and just that somebody was actually talking about that, 80 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,039 so, you know, for a lot of people it was entertainment, but 81 00:08:56,159 --> 00:08:58,799 for me, it was like, hey, this has kind of been part 82 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:05,440 of my everyday life since my youngest years, as far back as I can 83 00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:11,000 remember. When did you first realize or yeah, when did you first realize 84 00:09:11,039 --> 00:09:20,879 you were being contacted by aliens? Or what do you how do you refer 85 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,080 to them? You know, I'm glad that you brought that upright at the 86 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:30,440 beginning here, because I feel like we give labels to things so that we 87 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:35,559 can understand what we're talking about. Yes, but what are they really? 88 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:41,399 Are they intertentional? Are they extraterrestrial? Are they us from the future? 89 00:09:43,399 --> 00:09:48,000 What are they? We don't know exactly? Okay, I don't know, 90 00:09:48,159 --> 00:09:52,320 so I don't have that answer. So I just use these labels because it 91 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:58,200 helps us to use it as a reference. So I'm going to say my 92 00:09:58,399 --> 00:10:09,080 earliest experiences were very very young. I mean I remember being probably a few 93 00:10:09,159 --> 00:10:16,559 years old and I at night would see lights, balls of light come into 94 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,440 the bedroom and on a regular basis, they would come and visit me. 95 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,759 And I didn't think anything. I didn't I liked it, like it was 96 00:10:26,879 --> 00:10:33,120 very playful, and they when you say, balls coming into your bedroom? 97 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:39,799 Were they so? What did they look like? Balls? But what did 98 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:45,519 they? What are they like? So I remember being in my crib and 99 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,440 I would stand out. I can remember really far back. Like probably people 100 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:56,080 say that children don't can't remember from when they're an infant, but I actually 101 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:01,799 do, and I have incidents I remember very clear, and I remember standing 102 00:11:01,879 --> 00:11:09,120 up looking out from the crib. And so when I say a ball, 103 00:11:09,159 --> 00:11:11,960 I'm going to say, think of it as a disk around disc spinning, 104 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:20,440 but not that way, spinning that way and brilliant, brilliant clockway you may 105 00:11:20,519 --> 00:11:24,440 not supposed to. I knew you were going to ask me that, and 106 00:11:24,519 --> 00:11:30,720 I was thinking of that today. Clockwise are counterclockwise, and I actually just 107 00:11:30,759 --> 00:11:35,600 saw one this morning before we start to chat. Are clockwise, like like 108 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:41,240 a light. So basically, think of a disc, yes, trying any 109 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:48,559 tiny little pinpoints of the most brilliant light that you can possibly imagine. And 110 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:54,919 it starts off as a point of light in the darkness, and it starts 111 00:11:54,960 --> 00:12:01,639 spinning, and it gets bigger and bigger and more intense until it's so close 112 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:09,320 to my eyes that I'm almost blinded by it. Wow, And the intensity 113 00:12:09,399 --> 00:12:15,879 of it and the feeling of it is incredible. I mean, it's like 114 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:22,360 this connection, it's like a bonding, it's like a belonging, and it's 115 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:28,840 very enjoyable. I mean, it's really a joyful kind of connection. There's 116 00:12:28,879 --> 00:12:35,200 no fear or anything connected to it. And then there is telepathy. So 117 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:41,120 do you get encompassed by that bright light or is it just around you? 118 00:12:41,039 --> 00:12:46,480 Around you, as in outside of you, but near you. It comes 119 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:52,200 right up into my eyes so that at that one point I'm almost blinded by 120 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,759 the brightness center and then it will either go away or I'll see multiples of 121 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:05,000 them around me. And then at times they'll be communication and usually it's not 122 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:09,759 too in depth. It's a word or two here or there. And I 123 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,000 used to see these all the time as a child, and to me, 124 00:13:13,279 --> 00:13:18,279 I thought, you know, this is this is normal. I just assumed 125 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:22,120 everybody saw these beings. What were they doing? They were visiting me. 126 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,840 It was so playful and high. Yep. They would come in at night 127 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:30,399 and I would just see them and it'd be like hey, you know, 128 00:13:30,799 --> 00:13:35,480 and just playful coming around me. And I was quite young at the time, 129 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,519 so obviously at that point they really weren't saying too much to me, 130 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,720 because you know, my communication skills weren't developed at that young and age. 131 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:50,159 But at one point, probably a few years later, I shared a room 132 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:56,000 with my sister and I remember asking her one night, Hey, what are 133 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,120 those lights that come in the room at night? Like who are they? 134 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:03,360 Because she's my old, older sister and I start to get very curious and 135 00:14:03,399 --> 00:14:07,720 she's like what lights. I'm like, you know, the spinning lights. 136 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:11,919 And at that point I had this revelation like what do you mean, like 137 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,639 not everybody is seeing these? And she had no idea what I was talking 138 00:14:16,639 --> 00:14:20,279 about. And then I started thinking like, wow, okay, then what 139 00:14:20,519 --> 00:14:24,440 is this because why am I only seeing this? It didn't scare me, 140 00:14:24,679 --> 00:14:28,919 but it was kind of a moment where I was like, so, how 141 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:35,200 old would you have been then? I had to have been four years old, 142 00:14:35,279 --> 00:14:41,440 maybe three or four years old. Yeah, that's a vibrant memory for 143 00:14:41,679 --> 00:14:48,120 such a young person. I can remember my dad changing my diapers. No, 144 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:54,080 kidd had an incident where I had my first moment of feeling this is 145 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:58,559 strange, a little bit embarrassed. My dad was changing my diaper and it 146 00:14:58,639 --> 00:15:03,840 was like my consciousness was outside my body. I was seeing my dad, 147 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:09,600 and I just had this moment of like, oh, it's changing my paper. 148 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:18,360 I've never forgotten that, right, Like that's unusual. But so so 149 00:15:18,559 --> 00:15:24,720 you and your sister were sharing the bedroom and then you realized that she wasn't 150 00:15:24,799 --> 00:15:33,120 seeing what you were seeing. Yes, I realized what was that? Like? 151 00:15:33,919 --> 00:15:41,200 It was strange because for me it was normal. So when you're you 152 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,919 know, that young, and you have these experiences, you don't have that 153 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,039 fear, you know, like when you get older you can have experiences and 154 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:52,840 think like, oh, what is it that's fearful? It was just normal, 155 00:15:52,159 --> 00:15:56,240 you know, it was very normalized to me. So then I really 156 00:15:56,279 --> 00:16:00,720 start to question, like, well, what is this about? And I 157 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,720 had a lot of experiences where I would see things and you know, I 158 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,240 think I kind of scared my parents and they'd be like, oh no, 159 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:14,039 no, oh, you got your imagination and you know, and I would 160 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:18,919 argue with them and say, now it's not so what were the what were 161 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:23,840 the delights doing with you when you're coming? What were they doing with you 162 00:16:25,559 --> 00:16:29,879 when you were sharing the room with your sister? And did they appear but 163 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:36,600 only to you? She would be sleeping, And so it was never when 164 00:16:37,679 --> 00:16:42,200 she was awake. But I can tell you that in subsequent years when I 165 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,799 would see them, if other people were around, they didn't see them. 166 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:52,919 But I can share later an instant where people were aware of them and they 167 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,759 sent them, but they didn't see them. So that, in a way 168 00:16:55,879 --> 00:16:59,200 was a little bit of confirmation for me. But I can go into that 169 00:16:59,279 --> 00:17:03,320 a little bit lateater on. You can go into a nash you want anything 170 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,880 you want, right, Yeah, well, I'll tell you this. You 171 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:11,880 know, at that same time, around that same time, I had an 172 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:19,599 incident where I was in the family kitchen and my parents were always big on 173 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,960 giving us big meals and feeding us. And you know, their parents came 174 00:17:25,559 --> 00:17:30,720 from tough times in Europe and they didn't have enough food, so you know, 175 00:17:30,839 --> 00:17:33,640 my parents were always like feed them. And I wasn't a big eater, 176 00:17:33,799 --> 00:17:37,960 and so my parents just decided one night, you know, she's gonna 177 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,519 stay there in that kitchen and you're going to sit there and eat that meal, 178 00:17:41,559 --> 00:17:45,799 and you're going to eat it until you're done, and everybody else had 179 00:17:45,839 --> 00:17:51,640 finished. So there I was sitting in the kitchen and it was getting dark 180 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,160 out, and I was sitting there thinking like, I really don't want to 181 00:17:55,160 --> 00:18:02,000 eat this food. And I felt my body kind of jerk up above the 182 00:18:02,079 --> 00:18:07,759 table and we kind of had this interesting kind of a nook around the table, 183 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:11,640 and it kind of pulled me up over the nook and I felt myself 184 00:18:12,519 --> 00:18:18,359 flying across the kitchen and I am now at this point like in disbelief, 185 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,640 like, oh, what is going on here? I'm flying And my parents 186 00:18:22,799 --> 00:18:27,519 had the windows open because it was warm out it was a summer night. 187 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:33,039 They didn't have the screen on the window. And I got to the point 188 00:18:33,039 --> 00:18:38,799 where I was over the sink. And at this point I was terrified because 189 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:45,599 I was not astro projecting. I was physically being pulled, you know, 190 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:52,960 through the air. And I remember grabbing on to the ledge of the window 191 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:59,319 and it kept tugging me and tugging me, and I'm holding the ledge. 192 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,680 And we had an empty lot in behind our house, so there was no 193 00:19:03,799 --> 00:19:07,839 home built and there was some kind of craft there. And all I could 194 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,839 think of was I don't want to go, and I just said, please 195 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,960 God, I don't want to go. I don't want to go. And 196 00:19:15,039 --> 00:19:22,519 at that moment, the tugging stopped and I was turned around and I was 197 00:19:22,559 --> 00:19:26,559 brought back to the table. I could see my plate was still sitting there 198 00:19:26,559 --> 00:19:30,920 with the food, and I wasn't there, so I knew it wasn't an 199 00:19:30,039 --> 00:19:36,200 astra projection because I didn't see my body there and I was simply placed back 200 00:19:36,279 --> 00:19:40,200 down in the seat. And at the moment I sat down, were granted 201 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:47,839 to my mother and start screaming how old were you? That's probably three or 202 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:52,200 if I think about that house that we lived in, I would have been 203 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:57,160 three or or four at that time. What did they want with you? 204 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:07,640 I think so. And this is going to sound strange to some and others 205 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,839 are going to relate. I think I them. I have been one of 206 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:18,359 them. I felt my whole life that such a deep connection that I think 207 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:23,559 it's an agreement that we made long before coming here, because it's always been 208 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:29,519 a part of my life always, and it's never felt strange to me, 209 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:34,799 and it has not felt fearful in any way. I don't feel like I 210 00:20:36,079 --> 00:20:41,160 had like the negative abduction experiences that some people have where they're going. I 211 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:48,119 don't feel like this group of beings are those kind that are physically taking you 212 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:53,480 and experimenting on you. I don't I feel like it's a connection to better 213 00:20:53,640 --> 00:21:02,599 understand our human experience. That's how that's how I feel about it. I 214 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:07,400 could be wrong because I'm extrapolating because we don't know who they are or what 215 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:11,839 they are. We don't know how they think, how they process. So 216 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:17,119 we can only go from our human perspective and say, hey, this is 217 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:22,319 how it feels to me. But it may not be accurate, but that's 218 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,680 you know, that's all we can do, right. We can only try 219 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:34,119 to understand our experience that way. So how do they still come to you 220 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,119 now? Or are you still drawn to them? Or did that still happen 221 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:44,920 in your life? I have a way that if I go into like a 222 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:49,640 meditative state, that I can call on them. And it's interesting because I 223 00:21:49,839 --> 00:21:55,119 had one this morning. I hadn't seen one in a long time. And 224 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:59,240 part of that too, I find like if I'm very distracted, I'm kind 225 00:21:59,279 --> 00:22:03,839 of stressed out or just working a lot, then it's sort of like that 226 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,079 gate isn't open so much, but as soon as I can kind of get 227 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:11,880 into a peaceful space. So they're aware of this conversation because I was about 228 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,960 to ask something. I was about to ask, do you think that there 229 00:22:17,079 --> 00:22:25,799 was that appearance? Because of your appearance with me. Absolutely, Yeah, 230 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:32,240 they're aware of this. Yeah, what do you think that they would be 231 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:37,640 gathering from this experience that we're having when you're talking about that, what do 232 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:45,000 you think that what's that one like wanting to share with people At a time 233 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,799 where I think there's a lot going on in the world, I mean there 234 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:53,720 always is, but I think we're out of a turning point in our consciousness 235 00:22:53,839 --> 00:23:00,880 and I think there's much more of a normalization of people regarding anything extraterrestrial or 236 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:07,079 interdimensional. It's becoming part of our mainstream and I think the average person would 237 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,880 say to you right now, yeah, I think it's possible that there are 238 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:15,880 other beings in the universe. But I think fifty years ago people wouldn't have 239 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,599 said that. But I think if you went back into ancient times, people 240 00:23:19,599 --> 00:23:25,400 would have said, yes, there are. Because I think when the technological 241 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:30,839 age took over and people just start focusing on everything has to be science has 242 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:37,119 to be hard facts, material that we can see. They got away from 243 00:23:37,759 --> 00:23:42,680 what maybe that other reality is, and because they're functioning in a different way, 244 00:23:44,279 --> 00:23:48,200 it doesn't mean that our science can measure that. So we have to 245 00:23:48,279 --> 00:23:53,279 kind of be aware of looking at it a different way. Are they a 246 00:23:53,359 --> 00:24:00,039 protection for you as well? I believe so? Really do? I mean? 247 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:06,720 I had an incident one time where I was living in the Canadian Rockies 248 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,200 and I was driving down the highway. There was only myself and one other 249 00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:17,359 vehicle in front of me, and this vehicle, this truck, on this 250 00:24:17,519 --> 00:24:23,240 very icy road all the sudden put its brakes on. This road was icy, 251 00:24:23,799 --> 00:24:29,079 so I had to break and coming up from behind me was a big 252 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,799 semi truck. Will that truck in front of me put its brakes on because 253 00:24:33,839 --> 00:24:38,200 it decided to cross the median and go to the other side, which obviously 254 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:44,559 shouldn't be doing well. My car spun out and I ended up head on 255 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,480 in the other lane facing a semi truck, and I could see the whites 256 00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:52,960 of the eyes of the driver in the truck, and it was like, 257 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:59,759 oh my God, and I thought, this is it. I'm done. 258 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,960 Just there's no way I can get out of this. And at that moment, 259 00:25:03,559 --> 00:25:08,480 when I was within a few feet of head on hitting the semi, 260 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:14,279 it was like a hand came down from the heavens. It picked up my 261 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,799 vehicle, it turned it around and put it in the other lane, and 262 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,359 all of a sudden, I'm sitting there facing straight ahead in the other lane, 263 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,920 and I could see the semi truck go past me, and the look 264 00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:33,279 on the driver's face was just complete shock, like what just happened? And 265 00:25:33,319 --> 00:25:40,359 I just sat there sitting straight ahead, looking straight ahead, going what just 266 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:45,000 happened? Something just plucked my car right out from in front of the semi. 267 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,119 So who did that? What did that? Don't know? But there's 268 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:56,359 just no logic to how that happened. If you were going to guess how 269 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:03,559 it happened, what would be your best guess. Some kind of tractor being 270 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:10,119 of some kind, some technology, don't know what it is. Obviously was 271 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:17,200 not my time, but they or something flucked me right out of the path 272 00:26:18,039 --> 00:26:22,039 of that truck. There was just there's just no logic. Excuse me, 273 00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:26,559 there's there's there's no rhyme or reason to how that could have happened. In 274 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:33,640 that truck driver's face said it all. It was just like wow, you 275 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:40,480 know, it was just wow. So you were talking about the Mothership when 276 00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:48,039 when you were a young girl, did you that that that were and that 277 00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:52,119 that you saw it in in your backyard? Is that right or over? 278 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,559 Your backyard. Well, this was I was at a friend's house that was 279 00:26:56,559 --> 00:27:03,759 in my neighborhood and she lived right near a park, and so, you 280 00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:07,519 know, as teenagers, we would go and hang out in the park and 281 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,880 we would talk and I hate to say it, but we would try to 282 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:18,559 smoke cigarettes, yes, you know that experimental phase, et cetera. And 283 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,839 so we were out there one night and it was summertime, so it was 284 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,839 really warm, and we were chatting and we were kind of just looking up 285 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:33,240 at the stars and we started to notice the stars were moving. So at 286 00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:41,160 first we just thought, you know, maybe it's a fleet of aircraft, 287 00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:45,920 you know, like maybe the air Force is doing something. But what was 288 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:52,640 really unusual about it is that these lights that looked very much just like the 289 00:27:52,680 --> 00:28:00,680 sky and the stars were moving together. They weren't moving separately. So obviously, 290 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,319 if you had different aircraft, you'd see the lights moving you know, 291 00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:11,519 differently, like you know, separate, and it wasn't separate. It was 292 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:17,400 like very black with lights, excuse me. And then it was all moving 293 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,480 together, but it's moving very slowly. And so we were lying there watching 294 00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:26,920 it and we're like, this is just going on and on and on and 295 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:32,759 on and it was massive. I mean, it just wasn't stopping. For 296 00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:37,640 about half an hour, we sat out there and went, what is this? 297 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,039 What are we what are we seeing here? We couldn't fathom it. 298 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:47,519 And when it finally came to the end of it, then you could see 299 00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:51,799 the stars again, which looked very different. But it was like it was 300 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:57,559 camouflaging because it was dark with little lights. So the average person just walking 301 00:28:57,599 --> 00:29:02,160 along looking at the sky might have said, oh, yeah, you know, 302 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,519 it's just the sky, but it wasn't. It had to have been 303 00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:11,079 an absolutely massive, massive ship because we have to have been out there at 304 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:18,680 least half an hour. What do you think they were looking at or for? 305 00:29:21,119 --> 00:29:27,640 You know that I can't answer, but I'm going to get. I'm 306 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:33,039 going to get. I think they're I think they're around. I think they're 307 00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:37,759 around all the time, uh, for you or everybody? I mean for 308 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:44,039 I think for everyone, I think they're around the planet. They are here, 309 00:29:44,319 --> 00:29:48,079 They're very much a part of our space, but we don't see them 310 00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:52,759 if we don't know how to tune into it, and we're very distracted. 311 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:57,119 You know, our lives are filled with a lot of distraction, you know, 312 00:29:57,519 --> 00:30:02,880 But if you stop and I think that's why people who meditate have a 313 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:11,079 lot of experiences. Okay, that's just you know, slowing slowing things down 314 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:17,839 enough to see them. So you've you've seen the ships or the way they 315 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:25,440 get around. Have you ever been on one? Well, that's a good 316 00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:33,759 question, so it's certainly an obvious one, the obvious question. When I 317 00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:38,440 was about well, this was in sixty seven. This happened so sat night. 318 00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:45,839 Nobody had air conditioning in those days. I remember that. That's summer 319 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:52,559 of sixty seven. Very very well. Gosh, yeah, excuse me, 320 00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:59,400 I'm having some allergies today. And we in my bedroom. My sister and 321 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:04,880 I shared this bedroom, and we have this very broad window that almost covered 322 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:11,279 the whole wall, and we have the windows open because it was hot and 323 00:31:11,319 --> 00:31:17,519 it's very very humid, and we didn't want to go to bed because it 324 00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:22,000 was a summertime and we weren't in school, and you know, parents would 325 00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:23,599 let you stay out till nine o'clock at night, but then it was like 326 00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:27,640 they wanted their peace and quiet, so up to bed you went. And 327 00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:33,920 so my sister's bed was near the window and mine was just a little bit 328 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,519 apart from her, and we were doing what a lot of kids did, 329 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,119 which was we were jumping on the bed. We're jumping on the bed, 330 00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:51,799 and my sister was she was face and I was looking out the window. 331 00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:57,759 So we're jumping and we're laughing and giggling, and right at the window, 332 00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:07,960 all of a sudden, I see an extraterrestrial vehicle like right at the window. 333 00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:12,359 So I, what, what does it look like? I mean, 334 00:32:14,039 --> 00:32:19,400 Robert, it was right, okay. So it had kind of a typical 335 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:25,599 saucer shape. It looked very white and essent on the bottom. The top 336 00:32:27,079 --> 00:32:35,039 had almost looked like like translucent, but with a kind of a bluish turquoise 337 00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:40,400 color. It did have some kind of a sound emanating, and it went 338 00:32:40,599 --> 00:32:46,119 just slowly past the window enough for me to see it. And it went 339 00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:52,960 slowly past, and I stopped. I was in such utter shock that you 340 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:58,279 know, we were jumping and laughing and having a good time, and then 341 00:32:58,319 --> 00:33:02,279 I suddenly stopped and I I was pointing, and I couldn't speak because I 342 00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:06,839 was in such shock, and I was like, you know till I could 343 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,440 finally get out. Look. Look, and my sister's looking at me, 344 00:33:10,559 --> 00:33:14,640 like, what's going on, what's wrong? What's wrong, and then I 345 00:33:14,759 --> 00:33:17,119 just blurted it out. You know, in those days, I said, 346 00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:22,480 oh, I saw like a spaceship, a spaceship, and I ran downstairs 347 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,880 because you know, my parents would sometimes sit out in front of the house 348 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:30,359 at night and people would sit on their porch and look out, and I 349 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:36,400 ran out. They weren't out there, but there was a dog that someone 350 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,119 had tied to a lamp post, so I don't know if they were just 351 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:44,720 visiting someone or something. And the dog was going crazy. The dog was 352 00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:47,920 trying to pull off the rope and it was barking and going crazy. And 353 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:52,440 I never forgot that because I remember thinking back, well, you know, 354 00:33:53,000 --> 00:34:00,000 it's probably reacting to to this, and to me, that was shocking. 355 00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:02,599 And I even drew a picture of it. I had the mind to draw 356 00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:10,119 a picture and do a description. And then there was a radio station that 357 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:15,239 you know, like teenagers would listen to and and and you could call into 358 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:21,920 and I remember calling them and you know, just saying like, oh, 359 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,840 I think I saw this. Was it Chum? By any chance it was 360 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:34,760 Chum? It was Chum. And then I remember thinking like should I call 361 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,079 like the Air Force? Whatever? But I mean I had the mind to 362 00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:43,960 think like maybe I should tell someone this, But that was my that that 363 00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:51,159 was major because I felt like they showed themselves to me like that on purpose. 364 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,719 For me to see it, for them to go so slowly and just 365 00:34:55,000 --> 00:35:00,639 cruise by my window, I mean amazing. And again I wasn't afraid, 366 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:07,119 but it was just just utter, you know, shock and disbelief that it 367 00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:10,360 could be right there in front of my window. So what color was it? 368 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:15,239 Again that you saw? The bottom of it was white, but it 369 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,599 could also have been just like very silver or light. It was kind of 370 00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:23,480 like luminescent at the top of it was almost like a dome that was also 371 00:35:23,559 --> 00:35:28,760 had a luminescent look to it, so it didn't give off light, but 372 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:35,079 it was light inside of it. Okay. And then there was a sort 373 00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:40,079 of a sound, almost like a beeping of some kind that caught my attention. 374 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,480 What scale was it? Was it a high sound or a low sound? 375 00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:51,719 That beeping? It was a high sound, definitely was a thrill or 376 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:59,519 a hum. Later experiences I had it was a hum, but this was 377 00:35:59,559 --> 00:36:02,840 not. This was to me audibly, It just sounded like a real high 378 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:08,679 pitch beeping. Okay, that kind of a vibration. Yeah, and it 379 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:14,840 didn't frighten you. You were more different. What's this or I mean, 380 00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:17,960 I'm jumping on my bed as a kid, having a good time, and 381 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,039 now suddenly right in front of my window. And in fact, it was 382 00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:24,400 big enough that it took up the whole window. So I saw the beginning 383 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:29,920 of it, and then it took up the whole span see up the window, 384 00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:31,639 and then as it moved along, I could see, you know, 385 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:36,679 the end of it. But your sister didn't see it. She was facing 386 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,559 me, oh okay on the bed because we were talking on the bed, 387 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:45,639 laughing and talking to each other. And what's interesting is when I've talked to 388 00:36:45,679 --> 00:36:49,719 her about it in later years, she then says she did see it. 389 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,519 That wasn't my experience at the time, so it's you know, I don't 390 00:36:53,519 --> 00:36:59,760 know if she did see it or not, but she certainly did know that 391 00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:05,280 thing happened, and that she saw my reaction and that I couldn't speak because 392 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,920 I just was in such shock and running outside and I didn't see it though, 393 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,239 I mean I looked up, it was gone. So for me for 394 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,280 that to have happened, I feel like, well, they put on a 395 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,639 show for me. They put on a display and they wanted me to see 396 00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:25,559 them. Is there Do you think that there's any connection to those lights that 397 00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:32,679 were coming in when you were a little kid, to that that ship that 398 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,840 was going by in front of your window. Do you think do you think 399 00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:42,599 that they were preparing you for connection? I think so. I think it's 400 00:37:42,639 --> 00:37:46,480 related. Now, are they the same beings? Hard to say, because 401 00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:52,199 I think like there are many of them and maybe they even work together, 402 00:37:52,480 --> 00:38:00,280 just like we do with other people from other communities, other countries. So 403 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:07,719 heart to say, because I think I have not identified where they are from, 404 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:14,440 but others have told me in experiences where they're saying they're from. But 405 00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:19,480 these beings have never really told me, and I've never felt like it was 406 00:38:19,559 --> 00:38:24,800 that important to identify it. But I did get an interesting message about sort 407 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:29,480 of reaching out later on, and I think they were building me up to 408 00:38:29,519 --> 00:38:34,360 a point where it was normalized for me, that I wouldn't be afraid and 409 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,800 that the connection could be more significant, more meaningful as I grew up and 410 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:46,039 became more mature and could process information more so. And so it's kind of 411 00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:51,159 good that they did it from a young age because then I wasn't afraid, 412 00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:54,480 and I was used to seeing them, and then when these experiences happen, 413 00:38:58,159 --> 00:39:02,400 they were enjoyable. I mean I I appreciated them, and I could process 414 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:07,400 them, and it was like a little bit of a leaking of information here 415 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:15,480 and there and there and there to build up to a more meaningful connection with 416 00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:21,440 them. So you were being groomed, yeah, in a sense, in 417 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,199 a sense. I mean I wouldn't use it groomed in the negative sense, 418 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:29,440 like how you know some people use that word, but yeah, groomed, 419 00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:34,719 but mine was mine was was was neutral. You were being prepared for something, 420 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,159 correct. Yeah, So just kind of how about groomed, nurtured, 421 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:46,440 nurtured, groomed in a nurturing way. I think so because none of it 422 00:39:46,559 --> 00:39:52,599 was fearful, groomed as if they were brushing your hair exactly okay and saying, 423 00:39:53,199 --> 00:40:00,519 hey, we're connecting or we're reconnecting, or we're safe for you. 424 00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:07,719 Yeah, And I enjoy that connection immensely, But I have I feel that 425 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:14,920 I have seen other types of beings. So there was an incident where do 426 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,880 you ever get a right on one of the one of their ships. Well, 427 00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:22,159 you know, I'm going we can we can wait till the end, 428 00:40:22,199 --> 00:40:27,440 but I'm going crazy wondering. You know, your driving would be crazy. 429 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:34,360 Well, there was an incident where I had been sort of meditating. I 430 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,079 had gone into a deep meditation, and in having done that, I have 431 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:44,920 astro projected a few times, not meaning to, but in having had that 432 00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:50,800 experience, realizing that you can travel but not you don't have to be in 433 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:57,239 your body, and you can be one fully conscious, And that's how I 434 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:04,119 felt. This incident happened where I had made this connection and I found myself 435 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:09,360 on board what seemed like a light ship, but like I was in a 436 00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:15,079 sort of a galley around galley, I was with a group of people. 437 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:21,039 There was a tall blonde being wearing sort of like a one piece kind of 438 00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:27,960 a blue suit, and we were being given some like a tour, but 439 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:34,719 it was like instructions. Nobody was really speaking. It was all telepathic and 440 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:39,239 I saw this being he was showing us something and it was like the top 441 00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:45,119 of this panel of this ship that was very illuminesced inside, So it wasn't 442 00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:51,000 like regular lights, but it was illuminated somehow. So I don't know how 443 00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:54,400 they do that. That's some part of their technology. It opened up and 444 00:41:54,519 --> 00:42:00,000 I could see the sky, I mean I could see outer space essentially, 445 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:07,320 like it wasn't within our atmosphere. And he took something and he launched it, 446 00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:14,119 and I remember thinking, no way, I cannot believe it. Here 447 00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:19,480 I am with these beings that I would assume are so advanced. Are you 448 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:24,960 launching a rocket to shoot at someone? My heart kind of sunk. And 449 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:32,280 he immediately looked at me and said to me telepathically, No, we're launching 450 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:38,679 a probe to test this environment, the environment in this area of space. 451 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:45,360 Wow, that was a response. So he immediately picked up on me, 452 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,719 thinking like, oh, so are you worrying beings just like what's going on 453 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,320 on our planet. Was like, no, it's a probe. It's a 454 00:42:52,360 --> 00:43:00,039 probe. Yeah. So that was because they were checking out the environment for 455 00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:04,280 them. Would it be safe for them to go to Is that what they 456 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:09,639 were doing? If he did explain further, I don't remember the rest of 457 00:43:09,679 --> 00:43:15,840 that conversation. The most significant part was that they were testing that area of 458 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:21,000 space. Oh, some kind of probe. So whichever area of space we 459 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,280 were in, they were launching it and for some reason they were testing it, 460 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:29,639 whether it was for safety, or just learning about it. But do 461 00:43:29,639 --> 00:43:34,000 you remember moving along with this other group of people. So there were other 462 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:39,519 humans there with me, and we were just kind of like getting this tour. 463 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:52,239 We're getting this tour and all of you projecting or having yourselves projected into 464 00:43:52,320 --> 00:44:00,679 that environment, but all of you around the world or perhaps in other planets 465 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:09,559 or other other uh galaxies, done appearing because because in those things there is 466 00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:15,679 no distance, right. So yeah, I mean, I don't think I 467 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:21,119 was in my physical body, but I was conscious, just like when I 468 00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:28,480 had my first astra projection experience, I was one hundred conscious. I could 469 00:44:28,559 --> 00:44:32,079 look around the room, I could look down at my body in utter shock 470 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:37,400 and dismay, like what am I? How can I be there? But 471 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:43,719 yet I'm also here and I can see the room and and and So I 472 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:49,480 think that experience happened so that I would learn that we can have those experiences, 473 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,400 but we don't have to and there are limitations on these physical bodies. 474 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:59,519 These physical bodies are basically good for where we live. It's on this planet, 475 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,159 but it may not be able to travel other distances in these bodies. 476 00:45:04,679 --> 00:45:15,440 Oh, do you think that actually you could be related to these beings? 477 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:23,599 Having a physical experience and they're monitoring your physical experience. Had you ever considered 478 00:45:23,679 --> 00:45:30,360 that concept that you're one of them or an extension of one of them? 479 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:36,079 Sorry, yes, I mean that is exactly what I think. Oh, 480 00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:44,920 okay, that's what I have come to another lucky guess. That was very 481 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:49,440 good extrapolation. But it's more than that. I mean, it's really a 482 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:54,400 feeling that I've got the sense of belonging, never having it been negative, 483 00:45:54,920 --> 00:46:00,800 but also just lots of sort of internal conversations that I had many times after 484 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:08,880 experiences with just information that would kind of flow through, and it was just 485 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:15,239 explaining, like the human experience, what is the human experience? They're here 486 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:20,800 to also learn about us. Whatever this group is, it's a very compassionate 487 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:25,199 group. And I'm going to be honest, I don't think every extraterrestrial is 488 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:30,000 here for our benefit, not that I would say, like, you know, 489 00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:32,440 I don't want to go to that sort of dark side where I say 490 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:37,559 that they're all bad either there's something in between. But you know, here's 491 00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:42,800 the thing. We don't know anything about them other than our own experience, 492 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:47,159 as I said earlier, and we have a scale in this world that we 493 00:46:47,199 --> 00:46:52,679 call something good or bad. Right, So let's just say like when you're 494 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:58,519 experimenting on a species of animal and we're trying to help them, we're trying 495 00:46:58,559 --> 00:47:02,320 to save them, trying to make their world safe, maybe bring them back 496 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:07,599 to help when we capture them. To them, it's just fearful, like 497 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:13,280 they don't know what we're doing and the only thing they can extrapolate is like 498 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:19,360 this other being has grabbed me and is doing something to me, but yet 499 00:47:19,559 --> 00:47:23,280 our intention is different. So I think it's the same in some instances where 500 00:47:23,679 --> 00:47:29,639 like we we can only know our own experience, we don't really know why. 501 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:35,639 But if you can get to the point where you're having a communication with 502 00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:40,239 them, remember they've got to change their vibration as well, and so do 503 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:45,559 you to communicate. And that was that was an experience that I had up 504 00:47:45,639 --> 00:47:51,360 in the high desert. So I had gone out with a group of people. 505 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,440 I knew, are we going to the high desert now? Because that's 506 00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,079 what I was going to ask, Yeah, let's go to the idea, 507 00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:04,719 Let's go to the high desert because this is going to lead into a series 508 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:14,079 of very fascinating events. Okay, very impactful, very very fascinating and I 509 00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:19,280 think on this side is going to be more fascinating. Actually, so let's 510 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:24,599 let's just let's just get more fascinated. Just let it. Let's let's let's 511 00:48:24,679 --> 00:48:30,039 do it. Let's go there, let's go right. So I knew before 512 00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:37,239 going on this trip that I would see my same beings that I have been 513 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:45,280 seeing since childhood, and they just communicated with me that they were they would 514 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,480 be there. I just knew it. I mean in my gut, I 515 00:48:47,559 --> 00:48:52,360 was one hun sure, and I mean I could see them anywhere, but 516 00:48:52,599 --> 00:49:01,599 this situation was the most overt it was. It was just mind blowing actually, 517 00:49:02,119 --> 00:49:07,480 and so much of all my whole life, all my experiences with them 518 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:12,480 were leading up to the next several series of events that I'm going to share 519 00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:19,039 with you. So yeah, I mean it was really something. So I 520 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:23,320 was out in the high desert and I was where is the high desert? 521 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:30,719 Uh So, southern California? Okay, remember, yeah, you know where 522 00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:37,039 I'm from, Toronto, you know, so Toronto, Southern California. And 523 00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:40,639 there's quite some different areas that some people call the high desert, like around 524 00:49:40,679 --> 00:49:46,880 Palm Dale, that's the high desert around you know, other areas outside of 525 00:49:47,079 --> 00:49:52,440 La there's the high desert, and I had planned to go out with a 526 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,599 group of people just to go do like a SkyWatch for a few nights. 527 00:49:57,199 --> 00:50:01,199 And so we had gone out a few nights before and we weren't seeing that 528 00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:06,199 much, but it's always nice to sit out under the stars. And then 529 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:12,280 this particular night, I just knew something was going to happen. I mean 530 00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,599 I knew it in my gut. And so we parked down this little dirt 531 00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:22,119 road and I had just met this new friend that was in this sort of 532 00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:28,039 in this group, and we drove up together and we were and this person 533 00:50:28,119 --> 00:50:36,119 too had had lifelong connections with ets, and he would draw them to him. 534 00:50:36,159 --> 00:50:39,280 I mean he would go places and he would see them. I mean, 535 00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:45,239 so his connection was very strong, and so maybe the two of us, 536 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:51,639 I think our energies were really helping to amplify things. And I really 537 00:50:51,679 --> 00:50:53,440 didn't know him very well at that time, I mean I'd only known him 538 00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:58,599 for a few days, but we happened to be in the same vehicle to 539 00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,079 go up to the spot. We were walking down this dirt road and the 540 00:51:02,119 --> 00:51:07,880 group had gotten there maybe ten minutes before us. So as we're walking down 541 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:12,199 this road and it's completely dark now, but we could see off in the 542 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,840 distance the people that were already at the meeting spot. There were some flashlights, 543 00:51:16,639 --> 00:51:25,000 and all of a sudden, I saw my beings but I had never 544 00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:31,519 I mean it was huge. They were massive. It was like big and 545 00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:37,960 tall bell it was. It was the disk. Oh okay, And it 546 00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:44,440 started to come toward me, and it was scintillating, and the lights coming 547 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:50,320 out of these little pinholes was so intense, and it glombed on my face 548 00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,679 and I had to stop and I said to lights. The lights glombed on 549 00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:58,840 and I could not see. I mean, I couldn't physically see, and 550 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,960 I stopped and I just said, they're here. Oh my god, they're 551 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:06,840 here. They're here. And I kept shaking my head like this because I 552 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:12,239 couldn't see, I couldn't see to walk like I literally couldn't walk, and 553 00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,480 I would shake it off, and then I would walk a bit and it 554 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:21,159 would come back to me in my face. And he was sensing something was 555 00:52:21,199 --> 00:52:27,239 going on, like he could feel like vibrationally, like the air was static, 556 00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:31,119 like static electricity in the air. That's how it felt. And so 557 00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:36,239 I kept shaking it off, going like I cannot see where I'm going. 558 00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:42,480 And so we finally arrived at this meeting place and people were kind of out 559 00:52:42,519 --> 00:52:45,760 and about, still just kind of walking around. So I sat down on 560 00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:50,880 this chair, I put my pack down, and when I looked down, 561 00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,440 this thing was sitting on my lap. It was on my lap because I 562 00:52:54,480 --> 00:53:01,000 looked down and it's like, you're we want you to see us. This 563 00:53:01,039 --> 00:53:07,920 is important. You have to experience it. And I'm describing this to this 564 00:53:07,039 --> 00:53:12,400 person sitting next to me. It was. It was remarkable. It was 565 00:53:12,679 --> 00:53:15,840 so intense, and I felt the energy in my body like from up, 566 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:22,880 like the waist up almost like my vibration was very different, and I was 567 00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,760 having a hard time breathing at first, and then I just said, okay, 568 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:30,119 you got to you gotta change your vibration with this, and just go 569 00:53:30,199 --> 00:53:37,159 with it. Just go with this. And then I started to see literally 570 00:53:37,159 --> 00:53:45,239 hundreds hundreds of them everywhere all around me, and somebody was walking down one 571 00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:49,360 of the trails started to call out and they said, God, hundreds of 572 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,519 lights or hundreds of hundreds of the beings light being okay, yes, hundreds 573 00:53:53,519 --> 00:53:58,079 of the light beings. And somebody called out and said, come down. 574 00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:01,360 The trail. Come down the trail and there was a group of people and 575 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:08,000 they were sensing energy all around them. But what they didn't see was what 576 00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:15,440 I saw, which was these beings. These light beings were all around them 577 00:54:15,159 --> 00:54:20,199 and they were going up and down people's spine, going around their head, 578 00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:25,559 going in and out of the group. It was the most remarkable thing I 579 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:30,679 probably ever experienced. So people were sensing it, but I was seeing them, 580 00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:35,199 and they were coming toward me, and I mean there had to be 581 00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:39,760 hundreds, maybe thousands. I mean the space was packed with them and they 582 00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:45,079 were all around us, so people were definitely aware of them. But what 583 00:54:45,159 --> 00:54:52,360 I was seeing was so intense, and people really enjoyed it. It wasn't 584 00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,960 scary. I mean again, it was like a very positive feeling that everyone 585 00:54:57,119 --> 00:55:00,679 was feeling, and so we all I started to kind of walk back to 586 00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:05,880 the meeting place, and people were kind of going off on their own little 587 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,679 paths. I don't know if you've ever been out in the desert, but 588 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:12,639 you know, once you it's all it's very open. So once you can 589 00:55:12,679 --> 00:55:15,719 see a meeting space, you can literally just kind of walk across the desert. 590 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:21,000 I got separated from the group a little bit, and as I was 591 00:55:21,079 --> 00:55:27,760 walking, this is just remarkable. I'm walking along, I'm looking down at 592 00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:32,119 the desert where I'm walking so I don't walk into a cactus, and an 593 00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:38,800 object gets thrown at my feet, right in front of me. So they 594 00:55:39,039 --> 00:55:46,199 threw a luminescent object right at my feet, like literally right in front of 595 00:55:46,199 --> 00:55:51,719 me. I'm looking at this, I kneel down, and I'm in utter 596 00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:58,679 disbelief. So it was a dumb bell shape, you know, the typical 597 00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:04,159 down bell that kind of has a hexagon. It was the brightest, brightest, 598 00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:10,000 shiniest silver you could even imagine. And again it had the tiny little 599 00:56:10,119 --> 00:56:15,400 pinholes of light, and it was giving off so much light that it lit 600 00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:21,719 up the desert. So I'm in the pitch dark. I'm out in the 601 00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,760 desert. You know, there's no lights, there's no ambient light from a 602 00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:29,880 city or there's nothing out there. And this object gets thrown in front of 603 00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,519 me, at my feet, and it lights up the desert around it, 604 00:56:34,599 --> 00:56:38,320 and I am looking at this, going, what is this that you're showing 605 00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:43,159 me? I mean, they threw it as if somebody went like that and 606 00:56:43,199 --> 00:56:46,199 threw it right at your feet, and it stopped me, and I'm just 607 00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:53,639 staring at it, and I was like hypnotized by it. It was so 608 00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:59,199 intense, and I just sat with it for a moment, staring at it, 609 00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:05,199 pondering like is this your ship? Because we have this idea about size 610 00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:09,159 too, don't we A ship has to be large or small. And all 611 00:57:09,199 --> 00:57:15,960 I could get from it is I think this is some mode that they use 612 00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:21,599 for either transportation or I don't know. And then just like that disappeared, 613 00:57:23,679 --> 00:57:29,440 completely gone. So at this point, I'm almost just drunk all this stuff. 614 00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,920 I mean, my energy is vibrating through the roof and I kind of 615 00:57:34,159 --> 00:57:39,920 just stagger back to the group and sit down. And this friend that I 616 00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:45,239 had met that I came with could see that I was just I don't want 617 00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:51,119 honestly use the word shaken in the way that like it's bad, but just 618 00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:57,639 utterly like what just happened. And so people were kind of talking a bit 619 00:57:57,639 --> 00:58:00,800 about their experiences, and then we just said, like, let's all close 620 00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:05,760 her eyes for a minute and just kind of have a moment of silence and 621 00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:09,199 think about it. And in that moment, in front of me, I 622 00:58:09,239 --> 00:58:15,800 saw the face of a being and it was a woman. She had a 623 00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:20,480 very mottled kind of a skin color. I'm sorry, what just modeled being? 624 00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,719 So it's sort of like spotty, okay, spotty, kind of a 625 00:58:24,719 --> 00:58:32,320 agey greeny brownie color. And she showed me her head, like spinning around 626 00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:37,440 so that I could see all the dimensions of her head. She had little 627 00:58:37,519 --> 00:58:43,239 points that almost looked a bit spiky. So was it like a Linne dea 628 00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:49,599 Blair in the Extorcist spinning around or was it like, oh, okay, 629 00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:53,519 but it was nothing else. Okay, she just showed me the head, 630 00:58:53,800 --> 00:59:00,400 okay, high cheekbones, yeah, very cat like eye that were completely dark, 631 00:59:01,719 --> 00:59:07,920 no pupil, spinning around and I'm looking at this and the detail of 632 00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:15,360 it in just disbelief, like am I actually seeing this right now? And 633 00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:22,360 then she turns to me and she says telepathically, why do you look to 634 00:59:22,519 --> 00:59:28,360 the skies to see us when you can meet us in consciousness? Whoa? 635 00:59:29,679 --> 00:59:35,599 That was her message, and then she was gone, right, So it's 636 00:59:35,679 --> 00:59:39,079 not about us up there, It's about this is how we're going to meet 637 00:59:40,679 --> 00:59:46,679 in our consciousness. That's how we will connect. That's the connection that humans 638 00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:52,760 need to make. And yes, we show ourselves to you because it's a 639 00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,119 way of sort of letting you know we're here. But when you want to 640 00:59:55,119 --> 01:00:00,440 get to the deeper levels, it's going to be about meeting and concent siousness. 641 01:00:00,599 --> 01:00:05,639 It's not going to be about just going and seeing a ship. How 642 01:00:05,679 --> 01:00:13,519 did that affect your life? It was massive, It was absolutely massive, 643 01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:20,960 but joyful. Yes, of course, because it's like, this is this 644 01:00:21,079 --> 01:00:24,559 is what I live for, very simply by what you're talking about and how 645 01:00:24,599 --> 01:00:30,400 I'm sensing what you're what you're feeling. This isn't this isn't a burden to 646 01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:36,320 you. This this this is an enlightening experience for you. So yes, 647 01:00:37,199 --> 01:00:45,280 highly enlightening and it gives you another purpose from the mundane daily life that we 648 01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:53,400 live. And for me, it's it was like this is I appreciate this 649 01:00:53,639 --> 01:01:01,159 connection with them and that they would do this for me to show up in 650 01:01:01,199 --> 01:01:09,840 such an overt way. And your art and when you're painting your rocks and 651 01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:19,400 and things like that, are you also giving messages from from those that side 652 01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,519 to this side that in your art work? Are you is that part of 653 01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:31,400 your art as well? It is a lot of created a little comic character 654 01:01:31,599 --> 01:01:36,360 called a space. Yes, yes, And you know you heard of the 655 01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,039 Where's Waldo? Well, all of my art has a little space. This 656 01:01:39,679 --> 01:01:45,599 was Where's Waldo? Want? Yes, yes, I have there. I 657 01:01:45,639 --> 01:01:52,559 also wrote a children's book called Adventures of the Space Newbies, and it's based 658 01:01:52,599 --> 01:01:58,559 on these little alien beings and they live above a beautiful planet where there's flowers 659 01:01:58,599 --> 01:02:02,599 and plants, and basically they're the caretakers of the planet. And so they 660 01:02:02,639 --> 01:02:07,320 go down and they work in the gardens, but they live in little skypods 661 01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,199 above it. So they're the caretakers. And that is something that sort of 662 01:02:10,239 --> 01:02:15,079 came out of a lot of my experiences, is that our purpose here was 663 01:02:15,199 --> 01:02:24,760 really to be caretakers of the planet, and somehow we got off line on 664 01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:31,760 that we somehow lost our way. We are here to take care of this 665 01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:38,400 planet is phenomenal, even amongst the universes the galaxies. This is a gem, 666 01:02:39,039 --> 01:02:45,840 and we've lost our way somehow, and if we continue to we will 667 01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:57,559 lose our privilege of being here. Deborah Jacobson quite potentially a second or third 668 01:02:57,679 --> 01:03:05,840 cousin, once removed to me. How can other people find you and discover 669 01:03:06,039 --> 01:03:19,920 more about your spiritual and extra extra extra I'm not quite sure how to say 670 01:03:20,039 --> 01:03:27,559 How can people find out about about your travels with and connections with other beings 671 01:03:27,559 --> 01:03:34,360 that you're related to. Well, you know, I don't have a website 672 01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:38,880 or anything. I just consider how can I Well, if people want to 673 01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:43,159 email me, they can certainly do that. If you want to post that 674 01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:47,760 I have experiences, I'm happy to have them reach out because I think it's 675 01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:53,159 important for people to share, you know, what they're experiencing and know that 676 01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:57,800 it can be very positive, it can be How can we find your book 677 01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,599 on Amazon? On? I think it should still be on there, Adventures 678 01:04:01,639 --> 01:04:08,800 of the Space Newbies and you b I e s the children's book, but 679 01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:15,639 you know, it does have lessons in it which I think are part of 680 01:04:15,639 --> 01:04:20,079 that message that, you know, let's start taking care of the planet and 681 01:04:20,199 --> 01:04:26,719 taking care of ourselves and thinking about our attitudes, being kinder to each other. 682 01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,880 We've got to stop the warring and everything else doing. There are there 683 01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:35,679 are higher purposes, and it's not a given that we will always be here. 684 01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:45,159 It is just not given. So is there any other media places where 685 01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:50,360 people could find you that you would like them to know about. Well, 686 01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:55,239 I actually I don't know. If we have a minute, we have all 687 01:04:55,360 --> 01:05:00,840 the time you want do want people to see? I don't know. Do 688 01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:06,719 you have the photo? There was a photo that I might want to share. 689 01:05:08,159 --> 01:05:13,880 Do you have I think Michelle would have it. Okay, I might 690 01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:16,119 be able to share it here. Well, I just want to. I 691 01:05:16,159 --> 01:05:19,280 want to. I want to share this with folks because I think this is 692 01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:25,280 important, because you know, we all experience things differently, and we all 693 01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:30,599 process information differently. And I'm not trying to make anybody believe anything. I 694 01:05:30,719 --> 01:05:35,440 kind of got past that a long time ago. Well, and I know 695 01:05:35,559 --> 01:05:42,199 my experiences are authentic. And when I hear some experiences of other people that 696 01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,559 I think are kind of way out there, I think of mine and go, 697 01:05:44,679 --> 01:05:47,480 well, hey, what's to you know? I know my experience was 698 01:05:47,519 --> 01:05:53,480 real. What's to say that their's was not? You know, But when 699 01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:59,440 you have something that you really can show people, I think it's important. 700 01:06:00,119 --> 01:06:02,760 And so let me do it just a brief lead up to this, and 701 01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:06,599 I may be able to share my screen and actually show you the photo because 702 01:06:06,599 --> 01:06:13,079 I think I have it here. This friend that I had met in this 703 01:06:13,199 --> 01:06:18,079 last experience, we stayed in touch and for a while we decided we would 704 01:06:18,119 --> 01:06:25,639 sort of try to develop our psychic abilities, and so on a weekly basis, 705 01:06:26,159 --> 01:06:29,519 we would choose a photo or we would even draw a photo, and 706 01:06:29,519 --> 01:06:34,440 then we would focus on it and try to send elements of that image to 707 01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:40,199 each other, and then we would meet up that week and we would talk 708 01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:44,119 about what we were picking up. So we really kind of started to over 709 01:06:44,199 --> 01:06:48,760 several months, develop some pretty good skills with that. And during one of 710 01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:57,760 those conversations late at night, I suddenly got this intense download of information. 711 01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,880 And it was interesting because this person and was living on the other side of 712 01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:10,079 the country. I'm out here Western US, and we both suddenly felt a 713 01:07:10,159 --> 01:07:14,320 presence. And this person said to me, this is really weird, but 714 01:07:14,519 --> 01:07:17,119 I feel like there's somebody in the room, and so did I and we 715 01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:24,280 almost had like goosebumps. And I got this massive download of information from this 716 01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:30,039 group. They said they were from Lyra. I really didn't know anything about 717 01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:34,840 Lyra. I have to go look it up. And they said, well, 718 01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:39,360 I mean, they were giving the images of them and they were saying, 719 01:07:39,559 --> 01:07:48,039 we are part of your family. You come from this group, this 720 01:07:48,079 --> 01:07:54,360 is where you're from. And they gave some personal messages for a particular person 721 01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:59,920 that needed some healing. And without going into more detail on it, they 722 01:08:00,119 --> 01:08:05,880 basically said, if you go to this location, we will show ourselves to 723 01:08:06,039 --> 01:08:13,239 you, and they gave us a specific location. So that's set in motion 724 01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:19,800 a trip that we decided, well, let's just do this because it was 725 01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:25,239 so impactful to us, and the energy was so strong that when they left 726 01:08:25,319 --> 01:08:28,800 we could also it was almost like, you know, like a relief, 727 01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,920 like we really felt. And it's not like I'm a channeler, I don't 728 01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:43,720 call myself. So they looked like very not gray, but very light colored. 729 01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:48,159 They did have the oval eyes. They weren't like the short grays. 730 01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:56,800 They were actually kind of very tall and very long arms and very long fingers. 731 01:08:57,119 --> 01:09:00,439 Did you like the way they looked didn't bother me at all. The 732 01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:09,840 energy wasn't in any way negative, and they were giving some important messages about 733 01:09:10,359 --> 01:09:15,920 a specific person. So she felt the energy. I felt good. I 734 01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:20,880 wasn't afraid, and it was such a powerful connection. Now it might have 735 01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:25,840 been related to what happened previously, because here I am talking to the same 736 01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:31,039 person who had the previous experience with me, and so we decided we're doing 737 01:09:31,039 --> 01:09:35,279 this road trip, like we we are going to go to this place that 738 01:09:35,319 --> 01:09:40,439 they told us. They said, if you go there, we all show 739 01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:43,920 ourselves to you. And I think they wanted to do it so they knew 740 01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:48,079 it was authentic. But I also feel like it's a learning experience for people 741 01:09:48,079 --> 01:09:53,079 who hear this. And I will tell you this. I have shown this 742 01:09:53,199 --> 01:09:58,560 photo to people, I have explained it to them, and many many of 743 01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:04,319 them draw a complet blank. They get into a very strange space when they 744 01:10:04,359 --> 01:10:09,840 see it. My expectation was people were going to go, wow, oh 745 01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:14,119 my gosh, an authentic picture, like she was told to go there, 746 01:10:14,319 --> 01:10:17,840 she took this picture, this being from Lyra showed up. But that has 747 01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:24,800 not necessarily been the experience. So people experience this in a different way, 748 01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:29,960 and it's just not right or wrong. It's just where they're at at that 749 01:10:30,159 --> 01:10:32,560 moment. And for some people, it's like they feel like they want to 750 01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:38,600 really know about it, but they don't. They're not ready, they're not 751 01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:44,520 so and that's okay, because they're seeing that photo for a reason. There's 752 01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:49,399 a reason for it. So so leading up to going to that space, 753 01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:59,680 we took the road trip and we were it's pretty far down a back road 754 01:11:00,079 --> 01:11:02,399 where we had to go, and on the way down that back road. 755 01:11:02,399 --> 01:11:05,760 So I was a passenger. This friend that I had met was in the 756 01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:10,159 front seat, and we had someone in the back. And so we're driving 757 01:11:10,199 --> 01:11:12,960 along. It's starting to get later. We're trying to go to the B 758 01:11:13,079 --> 01:11:16,399 and B where we're going to stay overnight, and my friend says to me, 759 01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:23,800 something's going on here. I have a really strong metallic taste in my 760 01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:28,840 mouth. And at that very moment that he said that, the top of 761 01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:38,600 my head started buzzing and I just said, stop the car right now. 762 01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:45,479 And at that very moment, a deer jumped out of the bush and it 763 01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:50,319 came so close to the car that we brushed its tail. Wow. We 764 01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:58,840 brushed its tail. Wow. And he stops the car, and I mean, 765 01:11:59,199 --> 01:12:01,439 what do you think that bookal response would have been like, oh my 766 01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:05,760 god, oh wow. You know, my heart's pounding. We almost hit 767 01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:10,319 this deer. It would have come in right on my side and hit me. 768 01:12:11,119 --> 01:12:15,359 But we didn't. We had almost no reaction. We just went, 769 01:12:15,239 --> 01:12:19,199 oh wow, okay, and we carried on. We went to the B 770 01:12:19,319 --> 01:12:24,800 and B. And the next morning we got up and I was eating breakfast 771 01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:30,920 and I said, you guys, listen, that experience we had here. 772 01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:36,560 Think about it. Not one of us reacted. You know, I'm yelling 773 01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:41,039 stop the car. We almost hit a deer, it almost crashes in the 774 01:12:41,039 --> 01:12:45,479 window. We had almost no reaction, and they went, you're right, 775 01:12:47,279 --> 01:12:53,199 what in the world was that about. We didn't even react, So I 776 01:12:53,239 --> 01:12:57,399 don't understand that. I don't know, but I think there was an intervention 777 01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:02,000 there that happened, or maybe something else happened and we don't remember, but 778 01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:05,239 not one of us reacted. And there's no way. I mean, I 779 01:13:05,239 --> 01:13:09,239 can be a little bit of a jumpy driver. If somebody cuts me off, 780 01:13:09,279 --> 01:13:14,680 I'm like, you know, I'll react. And we had no reactions. 781 01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:21,199 So that was the precursor to something else happening later that night, and 782 01:13:21,319 --> 01:13:27,119 we went out just to a big open space, and the third person wanted 783 01:13:27,159 --> 01:13:30,800 to stay behind, and so we just went out, and you know, 784 01:13:31,359 --> 01:13:35,039 I felt like, I'm going to go there with an open mind, and 785 01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:41,760 if these lyrens do show up, great, and if they don't, I'm 786 01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:44,680 okay with it. At least at least I tried. So I didn't want 787 01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:48,560 to have a big expectation. So we sat out till quite late, and 788 01:13:49,239 --> 01:13:54,960 at one point I started to feel sort of a build up of energy and 789 01:13:55,000 --> 01:14:00,199 then it was weird, like it just completely dissipated. So we were thinking, 790 01:14:00,239 --> 01:14:02,239 well, maybe we should just head back to the being being. We'll 791 01:14:02,239 --> 01:14:05,119 come back tomorrow. And then I said, you know what, let's just 792 01:14:05,159 --> 01:14:11,079 take some photographs, you know, let's just do some rapid fire photographs. 793 01:14:11,359 --> 01:14:16,800 So we went ahead and did that, and we didn't really notice anything else 794 01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:23,560 special happening. And we went back to the room and the next morning I 795 01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:29,520 was looking through my photographs and there it was. So what happened is I 796 01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:34,079 took a series of photos and we were looking out into a dark, huge 797 01:14:34,079 --> 01:14:40,640 open field. There were some other you know, just sort of like lawn 798 01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:44,960 chairs that were out there. Nobody else was out there but us. There 799 01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:48,720 were no there were no people. It's completely black. And then in the 800 01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:55,680 next shot we see this interventional being and then the next shot completely gone. 801 01:14:55,880 --> 01:15:01,920 So before nothing, one frame the being, the next frame nothing. And 802 01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:05,439 it's an amazing photograph. So let me just see if I can pull it 803 01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:15,359 up. And I believe it is that that being from from from Lyra. 804 01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:21,520 That's the only thing that I can potentially say that if you did you include 805 01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:27,279 it in your press package? Does does Michelle have a copy. She does. 806 01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:30,000 I mean, if you don't, then then then Caylee will post it 807 01:15:30,039 --> 01:15:33,800 with the show. Okay, yeah, why don't we just do it that 808 01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:40,119 way and you will all just describe what you will be seeing is there's a 809 01:15:40,159 --> 01:15:46,000 being. It's standing next to a lawn chair and we're on some benches in 810 01:15:46,119 --> 01:15:51,119 behind it. You'll see that it's leaning over and looking right at us. 811 01:15:51,760 --> 01:16:00,479 You'll notice on the chest it has a very very bright, brilliant luminescent some 812 01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:03,239 kind of medallion. Okay, I don't know what it is, but it's 813 01:16:03,279 --> 01:16:09,520 on its chest. You'll see the face, You'll see the eyes. It's 814 01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:15,920 definitely not a human face. It's some kind of extraterrestrial type face. You'll 815 01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:21,399 see the mouth, you'll see the arm, and you'll just see it. 816 01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:28,439 I mean, there's no doubt, and it's not completely solid. It's like 817 01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:32,600 it's phasing in. That's what I'm going to describe it that way. It's 818 01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:38,600 just kind of phasing in, but not you know, it cannot that picture 819 01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:41,319 can't be mistaken as if, oh, well, that's just a person out 820 01:16:41,359 --> 01:16:47,239 in the field. Absolutely not. You'll see that right away. What fascinating 821 01:16:47,359 --> 01:16:54,079 stories. Thank you so much. You are so welcome and I hope if 822 01:16:54,279 --> 01:16:59,840 anyone listening to this it helps them in some way, then that's really my 823 01:17:00,039 --> 01:17:05,560 purpose of sharing all this. Wow, what an amazing, unbelievable show tonight. 824 01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:14,319 I'd like to thank my guest, Deborah Jacobson, fellow native Torontonian now 825 01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:18,680 living on the West Coast, for sharing all your insights about your connections with 826 01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:27,119 aliens, UFOs and a million other things. Thank you Deborah for joining us. 827 01:17:28,159 --> 01:17:30,159 Just before I say goodbye, though, We've got a couple of more 828 01:17:30,199 --> 01:17:35,399 requests. If you are watching us on YouTube, please like, comment, 829 01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:41,239 and subscribe to our channel. By the way, subscriptions are complimentary. They 830 01:17:41,239 --> 01:17:46,119 don't cost anything, but they sure add a lot to our show it brings. 831 01:17:46,199 --> 01:17:50,960 The more comments or sorry, the more subscriptions that we get, the 832 01:17:51,039 --> 01:17:57,560 more views that we're also going to get in the future. 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