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Hello, and welcome to Open Minds
Radio. I'm your host, Alejandro Rojas,

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and I am here with a super
UFO investigator, extraordinary and television star,

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Jason McClellan. That is not me. I have no idea who you're

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talking about. Yeah, that's definitely
you. Okay, Hey, how you

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doing? How good? How you
doing? Not too chevy? So?

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Uh do you drive around in limousines
and stuff? Now I used to you,

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but then I burned through all my
money and now I ride a horse.

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Oh cool. Well, this is
the Old West that we live in,

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so that's appropriate, I suppose.
Possibly. So what I'm referring to,

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if people don't know, is a
television show called Hangar one, which

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is about the secret Mofon files that
are hidden away in a hangar in the

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middle of nowhere somewhere. Well that's
a premise of the show anyway, that's

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what they're saying. Yeah. So, and actually our guest today is Jan

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Harzan, the executive director of Moufon. So we'll ask him about this supposed

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hangar. Now we know there's this
hanger does not exist, right, Jason,

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No, I can't say anything about
that. Okay, Well, I'll

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ask Jan. But this thing is
if you watch the show and it was

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on H two, which is like
History too. Write that is correct.

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It is History's second channel. And
this hanger looking thing is actually kind of

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weird. It's kind of a weird
building. It looks like some kind of

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old European maybe hangar, because it's
got these brick walls and everything. It

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doesn't look like what one would typically
think of. I think when you see

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a hangar, who knows it's a
hanger in the Midwest. So maybe they

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have interesting hangers in the Midwest.
And when they filmed you were you in

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this hanger. That's the magic of
television. And I will not not discuss

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that any further. Oh, you
won't disclose your location. I don't want

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to ruin your imagination there while you're
watching Alejandro. Okay, cool, cool,

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cool, that makes sense. But
how it were you? So there's

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one episode. Did you feel pretty
good about that episode or what were your

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thoughts? Well? I wasn't in
it very much, so I didn't like

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it at all. Yeah, no, I'm kidding, no, no,

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no it yeah, you know we
shot that a year ago, I guess.

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So it brought back some fond memories
of sitting in front of lights and

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a Cardigan's water in a warehouse with
no air conditioning in the summer. So

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that was a very hot, hot
hot. Yeah. So it has been

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a while now since they filmed it. And however there's more episodes. How

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many episodes are there for the whole
season. There will be eight episodes for

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the entire season, so one already
aired on the twenty eighth. In that

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episode you can watch it for free
on H two's website right now, and

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other episodes will air every Friday.
Cool. And then you're going to be

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in more of it too, right, that's out of my hands, I

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should be. I shot all eight
episodes, so yeah, so if things

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go well, they'll be more Jason
McClellan in the future episode. So cool.

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Well, thanks thanks for sharing.
Oh my pleasure. I hope people

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enjoy looking at me. Yeah.
So, like I said, we're gonna

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have Jan Harzan on in a little
bit. We've got an interview with him.

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We're going to talk to him about
his past and how he got involved

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with UFOs, which is actually really
interesting, some great stories. We've had

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a couple of interviews with him online
on YouTube that are really cool. But

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we'll talk to him about that here
on the show, and then we'll talk

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to him about the future of move
On and some of the cool things that

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they have in store that they're going
to be working on. So it ought

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to be a lot of fun to
talk to Jan. Jan was on a

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show also, Yeah, Jen was
on there, and yeah, I'm not

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sure how much he shot. I'm
sure he'll talk more about that, but

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yeah, he was. He was
on the show for a little bit,

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and uh, yeah, it's good
to see him. He wasn't on too

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long, though, he got about
as much time as you did. I

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think that's right. Yeah, and
which more than another stuff. I mean,

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like we shot for hours with Chasing
UFOs and I got to say a

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couple of things and they barely showed
us at all. And you shuttle a

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lot with the Kardashians, and yeah, you had more lines than I had

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on that, that's right. And
then there's our colleague Maureen, who I

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know is all over the television.
Yeah, her show, she gets lots

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of airtime. Yep. Open Minds
represent Yeah, so cool. So of

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course, before we go to the
interview, as usual, we talk about

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our favorite news items from the past
week, and Jason, what would be

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your news item? Alejandra, I'm
going to talk about a story we published

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yesterday and that is about a UFO
over Vancouver. This was an interesting bright

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ball of light that was recorded by
an amateur astronomer in Vancouver, up in

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Canada, in British Columbia. And
this was recorded on Friday, February twenty

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eighth, and it happened in the
at night about eight forty four pm.

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And this guy had three different cameras
set up because he apparently sees lots of

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things and he's always scanning the skuys
looking for interesting things. So he had

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three different camera set up and he
was able to capture this thing. And

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like most people, you know,
we encourage people to do this all the

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time. Is with objects like this, go to the wonderful and useful website

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Heaven's Above and see if there might
have been a satellite or something in the

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area at that time. They could
possibly explain what the object was. So

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this individual did that. He went
to Heavens Above and it was no satellite

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or anything scheduled to be in the
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so he ruled that out. He
uploaded his video to YouTube, and he

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says that he saw more than a
dozen objects like this in about an hour

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to send the exact same area,
and some were flashing. But the interesting

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thing about this is it moving through
the sky. And you watch it in

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the video that we have at open
Minds dot tv. You know, it's

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kind of moving very at a slow, steady pace through the sky and very

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similar to what a satellite would do. But then towards the end it does

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something interesting. It seems to kind
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of hover there, and satellites don't
do that. This individual didn't completely rule

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out the possibility of satellity, entertains
that possibility, but it says if that's

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the case, because it's not on
Heaven's Above, it's not something that's listed

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or scheduled. It would have to
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of satellite or or space junk.
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this thing did, that's probably not
the case. And I agree with him.

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I mean, these things don't stopping
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So what do you think it might
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Alejandro. It's a mystery, a
true unknown. Cool. Yeah,

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I think that's uh. It was
posted on the Whitley Streaber site unknown Country

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by his wife, An Streaber,
and forget what she described it as,

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that's almost the terminology she used.
She's like a confirmed unknown or something like

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that. So uh, let's see. Yeah, a confirmed unknown, so

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that's what she's going with. I'll
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Yeah, I didn't have time to
read the story. I read a little

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bit about the three cameras, so
I'm glad that you shared the details on

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that. But I did watch the
video. Yeah, it's an interesting video.

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It's long, and you know he
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a bit of that. But yeah, the most interesting thing is where it

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kind of gets lower on the horizon
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that's kind of fun because actually I
posted one yesterday too, which was also

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Moufon had determined as an unknown.
They couldn't figure out what it is,

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so it's kind of cool. You
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it is known or we're pretty certain
what it is, but yeah, yesterday

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people can go look at two stories
of real unknowns, ones that we can't

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figure out. Maybe that's more exciting
stuff. Yeah, that's kind of cool.

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Yeah, well, what was your
story? My story? I'm going

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to have a story and a warning. Oh yeah, that's kind of exciting.

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Huh A warning. I don't know. I'm a little scared. Yeah,

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and you know, I'm going to
do a story a warning, and

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we have on the website an alert, a move on alert. People have

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to go to the website to look
at that. Though. The story I'm

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going to talk about is the Snowden
documents, because of course this Snowden character

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was a contractor with the NSA and
he had a lot access to a lot

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of documents and he has been releasing
those been a big story. I'm sure

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everybody knows about that. But in
his latest release of documents on a website

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called the Intercept, and this website
was started just to tract Snowden documents and

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to talk about Snowden documents. And
these are journalists, journalists from NBC and

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other places that have put up this
website. But he released a few documents.

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One of them is a PowerPoint from
an organization called gc HQ, which

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is a British government communications headquarters,
and they have this slide show called the

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Art of deception training for a new
generation of online covert operations. And it's

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really interesting because it talks about,
you know, things like false flag projects,

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but these are like releasing information and
claiming they're from someone that they're not

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to hurt their reputation and all of
these things you can do to influence people

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and manipulate online. So really interesting. But it is just a slide show,

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so we don't have the comments of
the slide show, so we don't

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know exactly the content of what the
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in this slide show are three pictures
of three UFO pictures. One of them

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is a famous one from Redbud,
Illinois in nineteen fifty and it's one of

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them that is more curious that people
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Then there's a video from Mexico from
Arturo Roblez, who we know very well.

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Him Mussan's friend down in Mexico.
Often what he films his balloons,

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and I think this video might be
that as well, Milar balloons. And

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then the third one is a story
you wrote about and this is a picture

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from Cornwall, England from October of
twenty eleven and it very much. It

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just looks like a seagull flying by, And of course we've talked about this

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before. When people take pictures of
birds, they often can look kind of

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strange because of the motion blur and
stuff like this. And this seagull even

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seems to have captured mid drop droppings
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so you probably remember that. And
then the slide directly after that one

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is of a camera an iPhone,
you know, featuring the photograph tool,

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and then some wheels, some round
wheels like hubcaps, maybe referring to people

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could throw hubcaps in here and take
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I don't know what it's referring to, so yeah, I don't. We

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have no idea why they included those
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course, it's about deception, so
it could be that just you know,

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how things that are mandane can easily
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I asked Nick Pope about it,
who worked for the Ministry of Defense as

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a UFO investigator from nineteen ninety one
to nineteen ninety four, and he said

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something interesting. But it makes perfect
sense, he says, while I left

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the Ministry of Defense in two thousand
and six. The Official Secret Act binds

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me for light, I am not
able to contact our comment on intelligent matters,

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and I'm not prepared to discuss classified
materials that has been released without authorization.

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And of course these are still secret
documents. These were not released under

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like their Freedom of Information acts,
so the government doesn't want this out.

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So of course, as a retired
government employee, he can't talk about things

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that are still classified, which makes
sense. It does make sense. So

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yeah, that's kind of interesting.
So I think some people have said,

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oh, look, people's predictions that
there were UFO files and the Snowden documents

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came true. I think that's kind
of silly because even if you look at

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the wiki leaks, you know these
are thousands of governments documents. There are

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people who report sightings and comment on
sightings and things like that, so it's

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inevitable that the mention of the the
acronym UFO will come up. So I

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don't think it's like, you know, confirms anybody's beliefs, because these were

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not the object of the conversation here. But it is interesting and at least

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now you know what people have been
waiting for is some kind of mention of

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UFOs and the documents and now they
have them. Do you have them?

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Do I have what's that? The
documents? Alohandro, you are the gatekeeper.

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Well, it's online, so you
can just click the link. We

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have the link where you can watch
this PowerPoint. Yeah, and you're right,

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those images are interesting and it was
kind of amusing to see the bird

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pooh comeback. Yeah. Do you
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referring to the same speculation you do, And that's all we can do is

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speculate at this point. Yes,
I think some people will be disappointed that

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Nick Pope did a whole lot of
nothing, but like you said, I

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really think that's all he can say. So yeah, exactly, and it

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makes sense. Some people are,
you know, saying, of course we'll

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read more into that, but I
think his response makes sense. Yeah,

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I do too. So the warning
I just want to mention just so people

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are right, I'm nervous about this. Yeah you should be. No,

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it's nothing to be too scared about, but it is coming up, and

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so just to give people heads up. A UFO author has gone online.

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His name is Nigel Watson and We
wrote about him not too long ago because

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he did this Haines manual on UFO. So the Haines manuals are a bunch

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of manuals on how to build stuff, how to build models, how to

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fix your car, how to do
all kinds of different things. They've got

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lots of manuals how to type of
stuff and interesting enough. You know,

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last year they did a manual on
UFOs, so he wrote about the history

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of UFOs and everything, and the
reviews have been pretty good that it was

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a pretty good book. And this
gentleman in the UK, which is where

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these manuals are made, has written
a lot about a lot of other UFO

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things, including abductions and stuff like
that. But he was somehow found on

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a website for drone hobbyists people have
quad copters and things like this a something

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that was called the Big UFO Project, where a bunch of these guys have

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been soliciting people all over the world
to all fly their drone helicopters with LEDs

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at night at it at the same
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on April's First for April's Full's joke, but now they've changed it to April

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fourth, but perhaps now that their
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So he found that these people were
going to do this, this this

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big, elaborate UFO hoax, and
like he warned, you know, these

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things become huge and lots of times, just like the Canadian hoax we talked

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about, when people see it,
they even if a mundane answer comes out,

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they're like, oh, no,
that wasn't it. You know,

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it really was a UFO. It's
not a quad copter or whatever, even

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if the person who flew it admits
to it. So if you see something

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flying around on April fourth or April
fifth, actually just be a little hesitant

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and be a little more careful.
It could be one of these quad copter

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clubs flying around their little craft trying
to trick us. And then again a

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Lejandro, it could be that they
know about real UFO's coming down and they

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want to distract us and tell us
to not pay attention because it's just a

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hoax. WHOA, that's heavy,
there's my war. Yep, Well,

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thank you for your warning. It's
heavy stuff. Hey, you want to

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scare people, I'll scare people too, all right, Well, is there

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anything else you wanted to mention?
Their big jay. No, sir,

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that is all for me. All
right, Well, thanks for talking some

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news for us with us, and
let's go ahead and get to our interview

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with mister Jan Harzan. I am
very happy to welcome to the show.

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Jan Harzan, the executive director for
move On. Hello, Jan, great

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to be here. Thank you,
Alejandra, Yeah, thank you. I'm

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so happy you could take some time
out to talk. And it's kind of

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funny because you know, you and
I have spent quite a bit of time

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talking over the years, but I
haven't had you on the show before.

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Yeah, it was the last time
I think it was at our twenty thirteen

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Mofon symposium. So you're the new
executive director. You have been since that

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symposium this summer. But I think
a lot of people don't realize you've been

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with Moufon for a long time.
Yes, I have. I actually over

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twenty almost twenty five years now.
Wow, and a lot of that.

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Well, what is your history with
Muffon. Well, I originally discovered that

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there even was a Moufon back in
the late eighties early nineties. I attended

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a UFO expo left out here in
Los Angeles, very nice conference that I

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didn't even know existed, but stumbled
upon and one of the booths there was

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a Muffon Booths, and so I
came to know that Muffon actually was an

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organization that did the study of UFOs, and that interested me. So I

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got involved and started attending the meetings
up in Los Angeles, and then later

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joined the chapter in Orange County where
I live, which was started back in

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about ninety five, And then you
went on to run that chapter, is

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that correct? That's right? About
a year into that, the leader of

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the chapter at the time had to
step down and she asked if I would

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take over, and georgiancefarely appointed me
as the new state section director for county,

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and I ran it for the last
eighteen years wow. And then at

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some point then and a few years
ago, you also joined the business board

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of directors for Moufon. Right,
that's correct. What happened was we ran

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our local chapter. I had a
number of nice meetings and different things we

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put together. We had a regular
monthly meeting, and it came to my

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attention that the symposiums I started attending. All the symposiums starting in about ninety

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five as well, have been about
every single one I've actually every single one

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since then. They're a great opportunity
to get go out to network with other

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like minded people who meet the moof
on hierarchy and just really do a great

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job listening to speakers and learning new
things. So I found out that at

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the time Wall two was the international
director, was moving the conference around the

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country and he would do it one
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in the Middle West, one year
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year in somewhere in the South.
So he was moving around, and I

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found out in two thousand and one
he planned to run it in the West

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and so he would ask for bids
for the conference. We don't really do

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it this way now, but so
we put in a bid and actually won

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the bid. So we had the
opportunity of actually starting about nineteen ninety nine

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to know that in two thousand and
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the international symposium, and we began
putting together and it was a very successful

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symposium. And after that Sehn Schusler, who had just taken over for Wolf

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after wal retired after thirty years of
running Moofon, asked if I would join

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the business board, and so I
agreed to do that, and I've been

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on the bus board ever since.
M Yeah. So you have been experienced

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and involved with the administration with Moufon
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and now you've taken over the the
head job, that's right. Yeah,

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that all comes to me. Yeah, so we'll talk about actually say,

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fortunately we have a great organization,
a lot of wonderful volunteers who do the

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bulk of workload here at the headquarters
office. You know, we managed the

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memberships and we make sure everything's running
smoothly and the website and things like this,

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and of course we're intimately involved in
the symposium, although this year we're

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blessed to have John Venturing his team
out in Pennsylvania running that so takes a

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little bit of load off of us. But yeah, we're just it's a

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very very busy time for us.
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of the great ideas well, some
of the things you've already instituted which I

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think are great, you know,
and the television show which is running.

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But I wanted to talk a little
bit more about your background because from our

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talks earlier, you know, at
your motivations for not only your interests in

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movefound, but your interest in the
career stems back to an incredible UFO event

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essentially that you had yourself correct.
That's right. When I was matter ten,

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my brother and I actually had a
very close sighting of a craft.

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We were within thirty feet of it, and that really alters your whole understanding

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of the subject. It's one thing
to believe that UFOs exists. It's one

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thing to believe that ET's are out
there, but it's another thing to see

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a craft. This was in our
backyard, which, interesting enough, is

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where most people see things is right
up the back porch, right up the

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backyard, and it was a life
changing let'st's put it that way. Yeah,

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could you do mind sharing kind of
the details of that event? Oh?

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Sure, I'd be happy to.
I want to start back with my

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interest in UFOs. I mean,
when I was young, seventy eight years

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old at that time, this was
the early sixties. The newspapers, it

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was not in common to see a
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they just published that all the time. And so my father had a Mend

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magazine. He would get there's true
in argacy, and I believe it was

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in the Ergacy issue. I read
an article by Donald Keyhole and the head

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of Nightcap at the time, and
he was just talking with the whole subject

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of UFOs. And what impressed me
about the article was that this guy was

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a military officer and he spoke very
elegantly and very forcefully about the fact that

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these things were real, that they're
here, and that they needed to be

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attended to. And so this kind
of perked our interests, both mine and

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my brother Jeff, and so we
started to play around with it, and

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we decided, well, maybe these
things have some kind of a lookro magnetic

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type engine in them, because they're
obviously calling off the earth or doing something

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of that nature. So we just
decided that we would build ourselves a flying

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saucer, and we designed this little
thirty foot craft with three pulse look mainetic

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engines in it. Don't asked me
where we got these ideas, we just

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did. It just kind of came
to us, and we drew it up

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and we said, okay, we're
going to build this thing. Well,

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my mother took us to the store
one day and I think it was thrifty

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Drug and they had a little magazine
rack and we saw down in the magazine

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rack a little magazine called the Flying
Saucer Review, which was a half sized

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magazine. If you took a normal
sized magazine, cut it in half over

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that naked about a eight and a
half bytso of eight and a half by

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eleven, it'd be like a four
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eighths or something like that. So
it was a short magazine. But in

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the magazine there was an article in
it that said, these flying saucers are

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seen around military installations, nuclear power
plants, and places where anti gravity research

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is being done. We say said, wow, you know we're going to

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anti gravity research craft though maybe one
of these things we'll come to visit us.

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And we were just little kid at
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and his betterman sitting. I was
dead well about a month later. I

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was in my room on a Saturday
morning, sleeping, and all of a

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sudden, my brother comes into the
room and he says, hey, there's

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somebody trying to break into my my
room. I said, well, did

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you look out and see who it
was? He said, no, I

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didn't look I see it was.
It was just six thirty in the morning.

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So I said well, take a
look. We went down to his

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room, took a peek. There
was nothing there that we could see,

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and I said, well, let's
go in the backyard and see. Now,

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this was about April time frame,
right before the time change in those

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days they like saying happened in April. And it was very very light outside.

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It was very bright, the sun
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went down the hallway and they were
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I'm looking back at and talking to
him, and he says, look,

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can I spin around to look where
he was looking straight ahead? And he

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was looking at a wall of windows. We had a plate glass windows in

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the living room with white white drapes
in front of him, and the sunlight

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would come in back lighting it,
and I didn't see anything. And I

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said, my, well, what
happened? What'd you see? And he

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said there was somebody standing against the
window. I could see the shadow and

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when I told you to look,
they floated backwards. Thought wow, you

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know, I thought, well,
he's just pulling my leg, you know,

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he's just trying to get my goat. So, because we would kind

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of follow at each other and do
things sometimes, so I said, well,

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let's go in the backyard and we'll
take a look. So we went

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into the garage and as we were
getting ready to walk in the garage,

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that's where the kitchen was. It
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I noticed it said six thirty on
it. Walked into the garage and then

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left out the back door into the
backyard, and we walked to the end

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of the house and looked back towards
his dinner window, where there was nothing

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there. Something okay, he just
he's just you know, this is his

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fun time. He's just you know, kidding me with this whole thing.

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And so we turned around to go
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two steps when all of a sudden, we looked to the left and there's

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this craft frozen in the sky,
ten feet off the ground with landing gear

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on it, making this humming noise. Now, if you've ever heard of

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a transmission at nighttime, if you're
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they kind of make that hum.
That was kind of hum that was making

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and it was just like froze like
it was like just pasted in the sky

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thirty feet from us, and bright
orange like a tank and these blue landing

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year on four of them, and
then black suction cuts on the bottom lining

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year and then brown crossbars on the
between the landing year with like a bolt

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in the center. So my first
reaction I saw this thing was holy cow,

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these things are real. My second
reaction was, wow, this thing

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look like it's man made. Now. The reason I thought that thought was

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because I saw that bolt where the
crossbars crossed. There's a bolt right there,

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like a scissors, almost like where
it was a good scissor when it

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landed. But then I started looking
at the craft and it was perfectly smooth.

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I mean there was not a seam
or a rivet or a met or

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a bolt in the whole craft.
It was completely smooth, almost like a

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ceramic. And this was about nineteen
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I think, I don't know that
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then. Frankly, I mean,
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pretty interesting. So then next to my

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next thought was well, I need
to get a camera. So I said

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to my brother, I'm gonna go
to the house get a camera to be

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right back. Ran into the garage
and turned to go into the house,

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and we had locked ourselves out.
Now, I don't even know if that's

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possible, honestly, because you know, I guess they could be. When

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we went out, maybe we just
didn't unlock the door behind us. But

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I started pounding on the door as
hard as I could, and everyone in

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helse was asleep. So after a
few minutes, my older brother opened the

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door and you know, he said, hey, what's what's up? And

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I said nothing else, ran the
house to grab the camera and ran back

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out, you know, because I
didn't want to take time and explained on

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me was on because I figured so
ran out of the backyard and my brother

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was standing up on the swing set
looking out to the west. He climbed

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up on the slide and was like
as high as he could get himself,

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looking to the west over a hill
which was to the west of our house,

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and our house was going down a
hill and it was gone. And

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I said to him, I said, what happened? He said, well,

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it's just hovered there for a second, perfectly still, and then all

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of a sudden started drifting to the
west and then out of sight, just

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shot out of sight. And I
had done you know, didn't get a

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picture of it, but it was
an incredible, incredible fighting I mean,

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it really did a number on us. I have to say that. Yeah,

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amazing. And didn't you say there
was something funny about the landing gear.

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Well, the landing gear was correated
like it was like almost like a

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00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:22.240
dryer hose, you know, the
cory goes in and out, in and

409
00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:26.599
out. And it was cobalt blue. So the craft was a bright orange

410
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:30.880
which is cobalt blue, and then
black suching top and then these these crossbars

411
00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:33.480
were brown with a bolt in them, and so it was very I mean

412
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:37.160
it was very ornate. I mean
it looked like it was painted. You

413
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:41.359
know. It's kind of funny because
I told this story to Bill McDonald who's

414
00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:44.759
a good friend of mine, and
his father at the time was the chief

415
00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:48.720
scientist for Rockwell out in Thousand os
They had a think tank out there,

416
00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:51.599
and his thought was, well,
maybe it was something my father, don't

417
00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:52.160
I said, well, Bill,
it's possible. I mean, I'm not

418
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:56.720
saying it's extra tressurreal. I'm just
saying it's a very strange craft. But

419
00:30:56.759 --> 00:30:59.640
I said, why would they be
testing it at six point thirty on a

420
00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:03.720
Saturday morning in my backyard to me
right, but you know, I mean,

421
00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:07.599
anything is possible. All I could
say is I saw this craft.

422
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:12.880
Wow, how weird? And so
did you have a bit of missing time?

423
00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:18.200
Am I remembering that correctly too?
Or was there some descriptions? Yeah?

424
00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:22.279
Many many Eight years later and talked
to my brother about this incident.

425
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:25.519
He brought up the fact that,
you know, which which is true,

426
00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:27.319
that my brother was not up.
My older brother was not up when we

427
00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:30.440
went out, I mean, he
was in bed asleep, and yet when

428
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:34.000
we went back in his recollection was
my brother. My brother was up I

429
00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:37.400
mean because he was watching TV.
So that was true. When he opened

430
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:40.640
the door for me, he was
sitting on the couch watching TV, which

431
00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:41.720
is kind of strange because we just
walked out and he was asleep, and

432
00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:45.319
then I came back and knocked on
the door to get in the house and

433
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:48.200
he was up watching TV. But
my my younger brother who I was with,

434
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:52.160
claims that there was a TV show
on and he named the Damely Show.

435
00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:55.039
I don't know f time my head, but he said that show didn't

436
00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:57.400
actually come on till eight o'clock in
the morning. So it's highly possible there

437
00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:00.480
was some missing time in the thing. Although I mean people have asked me,

438
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:02.599
do you think you were taking I
don't personally believe I was taken.

439
00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:07.119
It's very very possible my brother was
taken because he has a very high IQ

440
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:13.079
and he was actually the brains behind
putting the craft we were trying to build

441
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:15.559
together, so there might have been
something they were trying to figure out about

442
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:20.559
him. I'm not sure how interesting. Maybe whatever you guys are building is

443
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:27.160
a time machine and you were visiting
your younger selves from the future. That's

444
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:30.680
possible. I you know, it
was just just young kids stuff. We're

445
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:32.920
trying to just you know, we
were always building a little rocket launching pads.

446
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:36.960
Yeah, you know, telephones's elititary
house with all sorts of electronics and

447
00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:39.839
that that we've built. So we
were always My brother was very, very

448
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:43.720
smart. At eight years old,
he was fixing the neighbor's television sets and

449
00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:45.680
things like that. So I don't
know where he got that knowledge, but

450
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:50.200
he always was far advanced in terms
of being able to fix things and make

451
00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:53.799
things work. So so, and
the electro magnetic engines you were using on

452
00:32:53.839 --> 00:33:00.640
your model, was that were you
attempting anti gravity with your model UFO.

453
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:05.200
Well, we were trying to create
the Pulst electromagnetic engines and figured there was

454
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:07.200
something that was doing how they were
interacting with each other, you know,

455
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:10.240
interestingly enough, after this it's going
to happen, we could lost all interest

456
00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:15.480
in building this craft. So that's
another interesting if you think about it.

457
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:16.839
I mean, because we were going
down this path to do this, and

458
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:19.880
then all of a sudden this event
happened, and all of a sudden we

459
00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:22.359
lost all interest in it, which
is kind of funny. Yeah, that

460
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:28.880
is weird. And so this event
now then also influenced your career choice,

461
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:35.039
is that right? That's exactly right. I mean because what it was appearing

462
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:38.720
to me that the technology that this
craft had, whoever's technology it was,

463
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:43.359
was so far advanced that if we
could figure out how to make it work

464
00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:46.039
and how to back engineer it,
that it would just have incredible advances for

465
00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:50.839
mankind. I mean, here's I
didn't require you know, ramming air over

466
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:53.160
wings to fly. You know,
it was hovering on its own obviously,

467
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:57.000
travel at a very fascinating speed.
By the way it took off from what

468
00:33:57.039 --> 00:34:00.599
my brother told me and I've got
other reports from other people craft that have

469
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:04.319
shot off in this space at at
enormous speeds that you know, if we

470
00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:07.639
had this technology and we could really
transform transportation on this planet, I mean,

471
00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:12.000
which would be a good thing,
because right now we're stuck with the

472
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:15.519
combustion engine. I'm not really stuck
with it, but I mean that's pretty

473
00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:20.639
much our primary motor transportation on the
planet is combustion engines. And it seems

474
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:23.480
like oil is a major contributor to
wars on the planet. So if you

475
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:28.360
had something else besides that, this
might be a good thing. So I

476
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:31.519
was looking from the technology advancement of
it, the energy systems, the propulsion

477
00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:35.719
systems, just the whole thing,
and I thought this would be a great

478
00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:39.280
thing to do. So I went
to school to become an engineer to figure

479
00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:44.039
out how to build this thing.
So it didn't take me too many cow

480
00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:46.719
many classes before I realized that what
we're being taught in our schools is not

481
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:52.519
going to help us get to where
this thing is. So I did finish

482
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:57.599
up my engineering degree at UCLA,
and after that I went to work for

483
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:01.400
IBM, and my thought there was
that a company with the size of IBM,

484
00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:06.440
with the research budget it has,
which is five six billion dollars a

485
00:35:06.559 --> 00:35:09.159
year, might be someplace that would
want to look into this research. But

486
00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:13.119
you know, again, this stuff
is so far advanced that it's hard to

487
00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:15.960
talk to people about it and have
them take it seriously. All I can

488
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:19.199
tell people is that, hey,
look, I thought, so I know

489
00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:22.679
it exists. So sometimes when you
know that something exists, it makes it

490
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:27.559
easier to go figure out how to
make it, read up, replicate it.

491
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:31.880
But I'm guessing unfortunately, you probably
have not had the opportunity in your

492
00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:37.800
professional career to work on anything like
that. No, I haven't. No,

493
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:39.679
personally, because I was in IBM
in a sales and marketing position.

494
00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:44.800
I have had the opportunity to talk
to two different senior vice presidents of research

495
00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:52.000
at IBM through my work process.
You know, the basic answer you get

496
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:53.800
is that's interesting. You know,
we're we're looking at a lot of stuff

497
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:59.119
on the internet. We're following all
this stuff, you know, so if

498
00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:00.400
there's anything really to be known,
we would know it. Kind of a

499
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:04.320
thing. It's it's the old you
know. See, if if there really

500
00:36:04.360 --> 00:36:07.400
were UFOs, they would have told
me. Yeah, you know, and

501
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:10.239
You're like, well, I am
telling you, yeah, exactly, I

502
00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:12.639
said it, I said, I
said, well, all I can tell

503
00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:15.360
you is I saw it, and
I saw it thirty feet from me,

504
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:19.920
so it was real, you know, So use that as your as your

505
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:22.840
basis. Yeah. I think our
biggest challenge, honestly, in the whole

506
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:27.960
field of euthology. I was going
to write about this in an article here

507
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:31.239
in the next month or two and
in the journal. Just it's just people's

508
00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:37.440
paradigms, you know, it's our
biggest challenge. I told Stephen Greer back

509
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:40.079
in the early nineties when he did
the first disclosure disclosure project, I said,

510
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:43.760
you know, this is great,
Stephen, but you know, just

511
00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:47.320
because you share this data, I
mean, same thing with Bassetts that last

512
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:52.239
disclosure project just this past year,
which was outstanding, I mean incredible people

513
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:54.519
up there on stage talking about what
they've seen. And with incredible, you

514
00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:59.400
know, resumes. The problem is
that the general public, I mean,

515
00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:02.880
we as humans have this defense mechanism, which is the ability to deny anything,

516
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:07.599
even if it's in the front of
our face. And I think that

517
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:10.920
is our biggest challenge of getting this
whole planet on board of what's going on.

518
00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:15.639
And trying to solve this whole mystery
and get to the bottom of it.

519
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:19.639
Is that people's belief systems, you
know, paradigms what every want to

520
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:25.239
call it, just to block the
ability to have major advancements. And what

521
00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:34.199
are your thoughts then on how we
shift those paradigms or somehow help people to

522
00:37:34.360 --> 00:37:37.719
include in their paradigm this sort of
phenomena. Well, you know, I

523
00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:43.079
think it's one person at a time, honestly, unfortunately. But what we're

524
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:45.400
trying to do through Move On,
and I know that you guys are trying

525
00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:51.360
to do through Open Minds is just
put out incredible stories that people can see

526
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:54.079
and touch and feel. I mean, we're a data driven organization, so

527
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:58.840
we get between five hundred and a
thousand study reports a month, you know,

528
00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:05.840
and we groll through the with our
volunteer field investigator organization and it's a

529
00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:08.199
lot of work for people. But
you know, we get maybe sixty percent

530
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:13.719
of that we find to be ifos, Chinese lanterns, you know, rocket

531
00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:20.039
launches, balloons, misidentified aircraft.
But you know, when you call through

532
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:22.639
it, we still find it.
When we come from the other end,

533
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:25.519
we look for the most extraordinary type
things happening. We find some very very

534
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:30.079
keen cases. So it's you know, we're trying to publish those on our

535
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:32.440
new website and make them available to
people to review. And so I think

536
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:37.079
they have to be open to looking
at it. And not everybody is open

537
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:42.400
to the subject of UFOs, but
more and more people are. And I'll

538
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:44.920
tell you the real believers. It's
kind of funny, just the people who

539
00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:47.679
all of a sudden had their own
sighting right, and then they flip immediately

540
00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:52.440
from being a total skeptic to oh
my gosh, it's real. I've got

541
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:54.360
to go do something about it,
which I just I'm amused when I see

542
00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:58.800
that. It's great. I mean
to see people change serview play, but

543
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:01.679
it's unfortunate. Takes a rock on
my head to get them to do that.

544
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:08.480
Right. Also, your brothers then, did he go into aerospace engineering

545
00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:15.719
or a similar field? No,
unfortunately. I mean this when you have

546
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:22.239
a close encounter of this kind and
I can kind of see from an experiencer

547
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:25.400
or even an abductee standpoint, I
mean, this is really shakes up your

548
00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:30.000
worldview. It turns you upside down. I mean, I think two weeks

549
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:34.480
after this setting, I was just
totally discombotulated. For lack of a better

550
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:37.360
word, it just you know,
you just your whole reality is shattered.

551
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:39.280
I mean, you know, you're
thinking, well, I'm going up in

552
00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:43.880
a little community here at the little
house with a white sense. You know,

553
00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:45.559
everything's great, you know, see, touch, feel everything, and

554
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:49.639
everything's good, and all of a
sudden something shows up that's completely out of

555
00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:54.719
your out of your worldview, and
it just shatters it for you. That

556
00:39:54.800 --> 00:40:00.960
happened for me that I turned that
into drivings to go to to college to

557
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:02.320
get an engineering degree to figure out
how it worked, and then to go

558
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:07.079
for uh, you know, corporate
career that would possibly lead to the discovery

559
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:10.719
of this thing. And in my
own personal involved in a moufl and that's

560
00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:15.119
what word drove me from From my
brother and from many people. It becomes

561
00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:22.159
so unsettling. Unfortunately, he got
involved in drugs and alcohol and he's now

562
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:24.559
recovered. But but it's just totally
I would say, destroyed his life.

563
00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:30.239
Oh you're kidding. So the sighting
had a major effect on him, Yes,

564
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:34.480
I I well, I believe it
was because he believed it's because of

565
00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:39.840
the sighting and night terrors about it. So unfortunately, but but he's he's

566
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:44.679
a you know, functioning member of
society, and he's doing good. He's

567
00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:49.639
doing better, but it didn't help
his life much. I got to say

568
00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:52.360
that, well, that's amazing,
and it's kind of interesting because I didn't

569
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:55.559
know that part of the story.
So prior to this, I thought,

570
00:40:55.599 --> 00:41:00.639
wow, this is a neat sighting. Whatever happened, you know, inspired

571
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:05.480
you to move on to go in
to work for IBM and be an engineer,

572
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:08.800
but then and now also to help
run move on. But I didn't

573
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:14.760
know this other aspect, where this
promising, you know, extremely intelligent person

574
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:22.320
his career or his was somewhat stemied
from the event. Yeah, it really

575
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:24.159
was. I mean I think he
could have been well. I mean he's

576
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:31.039
still very smart and very intelligent and
basically runs like a repair business for fixing

577
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:35.920
things. And this isn't anything he
can't fix. I mean, he's just

578
00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:37.360
amazing that way. And he's never
had any formal training in it. So

579
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:40.559
I've always asked him, you know, how you done this, and he

580
00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:43.199
says, I don't know. I
just had to. I just seem to

581
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:45.119
know how things work. And so
I said, okay, So he's almost

582
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:49.800
like a tefla kind of guy where
he kind of it comes to him somehow,

583
00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:52.639
and you know, he's been doing
very well. Now. I'm very

584
00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:57.559
proud of him, and you know
he's helped out with move On in certain

585
00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:00.639
cases where he needed his help and
was hoping it continues that way for him.

586
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:06.719
Yeah. Wow, Yeah, incredible. So that's really interesting. Another

587
00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:12.199
interesting story because we have this on
the website where we did a video with

588
00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:15.519
you talking about this, and I've
heard you talk about this for years,

589
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:20.719
but I just wanted to kind of
have you tell this story here because we

590
00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:22.760
get a little more time to kind
of get the details of it, which

591
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:28.400
I think are interesting. But your
story of this encounter you had with Ben

592
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:34.239
Rich, right, So I was
wondering if you could share that sure.

593
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:37.719
I mean the Ben Rich story is
basically, I'm an alumni of the Ushige

594
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:42.000
School of Engineering and they have an
association called Bolterer Associates, which I belong

595
00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:45.440
to. Basically, you know,
you fund it's the annual fund for the

596
00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:47.679
school, and you pay so much
money and then you become part of this

597
00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:58.280
thing so to honor and to basically
continue to recruit people for this function they

598
00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:01.519
put on quarterly or you know twenty
year functions, and one of the functions

599
00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:05.480
they had. I got a mailer
in the mail was that ben Rich would

600
00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:08.760
be speaking at the at UCLA to
the engineering alumni. I believe it was

601
00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:14.360
March twenty third, nineteen ninety three, if I remember correctly. And so

602
00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:15.639
I got the notice in the mail
and I said, Wow, let's lea.

603
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:17.400
I got to go hear this guy
talk. You know, he's just

604
00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:22.000
recently retired as the president's CEO of
Locke Frunkworks, where all the secret aircraft

605
00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:24.639
are built. That sounds like fun. So I called him my friend Tom

606
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:31.000
Keller, who interestingly enough, i'd
met at the Ufoxpo West where I'd have

607
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:36.719
my first uphone conference I'd ever gone
to, and we decided we'd go go

608
00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:38.840
to this together. He also had
been a graduate of uc School of Engineering,

609
00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:43.599
but ten years before myself. I
graduated in nineteen seventy six and he

610
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:46.519
graduated I think in nineteen sixty six, are about there. So we went

611
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:51.159
to the conference. The meeting was
about two hundred engineers. There, it's,

612
00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:53.800
you know, a little kind of
reception, and then we all took

613
00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:57.079
our seats. I think Tom and
I were in the front. Roo if

614
00:43:57.079 --> 00:44:00.679
I'm not mistaken. And Ben started
off on this lengthy slide show. You

615
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:04.519
know, remember this in ninety three, So he was doing slides of all

616
00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:07.800
the craft. He started off with
the U two spyplane, all the way

617
00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:13.159
up through the F one seventeen stelf
A fighter, and talked about a whole

618
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:15.679
bunch of different aircraft, you know, and it was a really nice presentation.

619
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:17.800
But at the end of it,
he concluded with the slide of a

620
00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:22.159
black disc zipping off into outer space, and he said, we now have

621
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:27.039
the technology to take et home.
And that's a quote, that's exactly what

622
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:30.800
he said. And then he stopped
and the whole craft bust up laughing,

623
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:32.199
and Tom and I were looking at
each other like, why are these people

624
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:37.599
laughing? They just said something very
significant. But that was it, I

625
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:40.840
mean, that was the end of
the talk. And then he did some

626
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:45.159
polite Q and A. And then
after that most people start filling out of

627
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:49.239
the room. We're about i'd say
twenty twenty five of us gathered up to

628
00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:51.440
the front where he was and we
started talking to him, and so we

629
00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:53.360
were asking the questions like what's you
meaning exactly when he said, you know,

630
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:57.320
take et home? And this and
that, and he was a little

631
00:44:57.320 --> 00:44:59.760
b koy. He was looking at
the people aroun him, trying to forget

632
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:06.599
who they were. At one point
during the regular presentation, you actually mentioned

633
00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:09.280
that you saw a couple cia people
in the audience, which thought was interesting,

634
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:15.519
and he basically shared a couple of
thoughts with us. One was that

635
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:20.400
there was an error in the equations, and we figured out what it was,

636
00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:22.800
and we now know how to take
et home. So he wouldn't we

637
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:25.760
asked. I asked them point blank
what equations you're talking about? And he

638
00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:30.559
wouldn't tell us. I'm thinking it's
either Maxwell's equations, which are the equations

639
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:37.559
for liquormagnetic theory, or possibly some
of Einstein's equations, but he wouldn't tell

640
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:43.320
us. So that was the only
clue he gave us, and he just

641
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:45.320
he also shared I guess when I
was walking down of the room kind of

642
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:49.920
jumped to the end here. After
probably about thirty minutes of these people talking

643
00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:52.599
to him asking him questions, I
chased him out of the room as he

644
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:55.760
was walking to his car, and
I was still inside the room, but

645
00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:59.039
I chased him across the room when
he was walking out to his car,

646
00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:01.039
and I that mister Rich, mister
Rich, you know, I just want

647
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:05.760
to say I really enjoyed your talk. I have a real fascination for what

648
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:07.239
you spoke on the propulsions. Start
was saying, can you tell me how

649
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:12.840
this propulsion works? It will take
us to the stars. And he looked

650
00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:15.000
at me. He looked at me
like who. He kind of cocked and

651
00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:16.239
said like, who are you?
You could see I can see his brain

652
00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:19.719
clicking. You know, why are
you asking me this? Who are you?

653
00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:22.840
And he said, well, let
me ask you a question. He

654
00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:25.719
said, how does ESP work?
And I was like, I was flabbering.

655
00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:29.880
I was like, you took two
steps backwards. So I wasn't expecting

656
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:32.840
a question. I was expecting an
answer. And so the first thing that

657
00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:37.800
came in my mind I question we
exactly? I said to him, I

658
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:40.840
don't know. I said, all
points in space and time are connected.

659
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:43.880
He looked at me and he said, that's how it works, and he

660
00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:47.199
turned around and he walked out.
Now I don't know if he was saying

661
00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:51.280
that all points in space time was
a correct answer, or if he was

662
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:54.320
just saying that ESP is how it
works. But it's interesting to me that

663
00:46:54.400 --> 00:47:00.480
that tie in how people have four
knowledge of things and how things are all

664
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:06.480
tied together in the universe has something
to do with how this propulsion works.

665
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:10.199
Yeah, really strange. Definitely makes
you think. It makes you think.

666
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:15.960
And you know, I've talked to
help put off another scientist about this who've

667
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:19.320
been interested in knowing how it works. They're trying to figure it out now,

668
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:22.440
Eric Davis, you know who works
for how and the faster they have

669
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:27.159
the faster than light planning where they're
trying to come up with engines that will

670
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:30.239
allow us to travel faster than light. It's just a whole lot of interest

671
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:36.079
in and I was pleased to hear
I believe it's Golden. Now's the new

672
00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:42.599
director of NASA talking about how NASA's
big push is faster than light travel and

673
00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:45.199
I thought, wow, that's pretty
amazing that he would even be talking about

674
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:51.079
that here. Ben Rich was talking
about it twenty years ago. Actually us

675
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:55.199
have actually having it, So that's
that's an interesting thought when you start putting

676
00:47:55.199 --> 00:47:58.760
two and two together on it.
Yeah, which is interesting. I mean

677
00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:04.800
they Ben Rich worked on the most
secret Air Force projects CIA projects, and

678
00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:10.880
those things didn't come to light.
MULA. Yeah, exact later So the

679
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:17.760
other interesting thing here is that sealth
technology. If you look at the development

680
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:22.119
of stealth technology, the ability to
be invisible to radar. The way that

681
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:30.159
breakthrough came through was there was a
Russian mathematician who had some equations which the

682
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:34.639
Russians didn't really pick up on,
but the Skuncourts had mathematicians working for them

683
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:37.199
who did and they realized that,
oh my gosh, if you build the

684
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:40.400
craft that looks like this, you
won't be visible to radar. And that's

685
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:45.480
how they came up with the design
for the F one seventeen. So that's

686
00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:46.920
that's interesting. That's also a similar
story to this one, which is okay,

687
00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:50.440
if you want to travel fashional light, it's all in the mathematics.

688
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:52.800
So they looked at the mathematics and
figured out what the air was in it,

689
00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:57.360
whatever that might be, it fixed, you know, fixed the air,

690
00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:00.639
and that allowed them to figure out
how to travel fastness people light or

691
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:06.119
let's it allowed them to figure out
how to take eat home right right,

692
00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:12.039
Wow, pretty amazing. So let's
talk to move On and now that people

693
00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:16.519
have gotten to kind of know more
about you and your vision for the future

694
00:49:16.599 --> 00:49:20.400
of move On and you certainly we've
seen it. I think as a move

695
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:23.719
on member, I've seen the changes
which have been great. And I guess

696
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:28.880
one thing we could first talk about
is the TV show Hanger Won Sure,

697
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:37.239
so just aired. Of course,
our Open Mind colleague here, Jason McClellan

698
00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:40.159
was in it, and so we
were all excited about it as well.

699
00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:46.079
But I guess just to clarify a
couple of things, they the actual hanger

700
00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:51.599
does not exist, right, No, No, the actual hanger does exist.

701
00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:54.880
It's a real hanger. But is
it a moof on hanger. No,

702
00:49:55.039 --> 00:49:59.119
it's not a moof on hanger.
However, it's located. I mean,

703
00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:01.519
there's no secret to this. It's
located at Lunkin Airport in Cincinnati,

704
00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:07.159
which is where Dave McDonald, my
predecessor, had moved headquarters too. And

705
00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:10.559
there are actually three hangars on the
airfield, Hanger one, Anger two,

706
00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:15.360
and Hanger three, and we had
stored all the files and Hanger one.

707
00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:20.679
So the show the show. When
it first we signed the paperwork on it

708
00:50:20.760 --> 00:50:23.079
was back in twenty eleven under Clifford
Cliff. So it's just been a project

709
00:50:23.119 --> 00:50:28.280
that's been in work for over three
years and so it's gone through a number

710
00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:32.320
of different ups and downs, and
then was ratified in late twenty eleven,

711
00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:37.480
and then Dave took over in early
twenty twelve when Cliff had to step down

712
00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:44.800
do some family medical reasons and it
actually expired, and then he resigned a

713
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:50.599
contract in twenty twelve, and so
I came in late mid to late twenty

714
00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:53.000
thirteen. This project was well underway. In fact, they had already done

715
00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:59.960
a lot of filming on it,
so that hangar was where we was,

716
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:01.400
or the files they thought that.
They took pictures of it, and actually

717
00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:04.559
the network said, Hey, that's
pretty cool. Let's call it Hanger one.

718
00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:07.320
So that's how it got the name. Oh that's well, that's kind

719
00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:09.760
of cool. So there there is
a Hangar one. And is I mean,

720
00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:15.000
is it the same hanger as in
the show? Or yeah? Absolutely

721
00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:17.159
yes, you're you're looking that you're
looking to at the hanger. You're kidding.

722
00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:23.039
I did not know that. It's
a really interesting looking It looks well.

723
00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:27.280
It is was built back in the
twenties or thirties, and it has

724
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:31.559
an interesting history behind it because Howard
Hughes used to park his plane in there

725
00:51:32.199 --> 00:51:35.880
and he would meet his girlfriend.
I think it was Geene Harlow. I'm

726
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:38.760
not really a Howard Hughes buff but
but and they would they would meet in

727
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:42.960
that hangar. So it's got a
lot of a lot of history to it.

728
00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:46.199
Totally cap that is so interesting.
I didn't know that that's cool.

729
00:51:47.079 --> 00:51:52.440
But they how about the interior shots? No, those are done somewhere else.

730
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:54.239
Now, the interior shots are done
somewhere else, right, Yeah,

731
00:51:54.920 --> 00:51:59.119
yeah, we yeah, we you
know, it's it's you know, it's

732
00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:02.000
a it's a TV. Yeah,
they take liberties, they take liberties,

733
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:07.559
and you know, we originally had
started off wanting to be about the the

734
00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:12.760
just following investigators around, and unfortunately
Network looked at that and said, you

735
00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:15.519
know what with the UFO Hunters and
all these other shows out there, they're

736
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:17.039
all the same. You know,
we need to differentiate ourselves. So let's

737
00:52:17.079 --> 00:52:20.920
pick some topics and then see what
we can find in the files and maybe

738
00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:24.280
substantiate stuff. So that's kind of
been what it's been about. We're hoping

739
00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:28.559
if we get another season this thing, we can actually move it back towards

740
00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:34.519
the actual cases. But I think
the topics they chosen are pretty good ones.

741
00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:37.199
I mean, you know, us
president, what they know I've talked

742
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:39.360
to a number of people who were
not particularly you know, keen on the

743
00:52:39.400 --> 00:52:42.840
whole UFO subject, and after they
saw the episodes, they said, gee,

744
00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:44.840
I didn't realize that, you know, I didn't realize that this had

745
00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:46.519
happened. I didn't realize that Truman
had said that. I didn't know that,

746
00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:50.360
you know, Kennedy had done that
with Bresne. I didn't know that,

747
00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:52.679
you know, Reagan had actually seen
his own utphone and all the stuff

748
00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:57.119
documented. But it just doesn't get
to the public. So it's more of

749
00:52:57.159 --> 00:53:00.239
a public awareness program than anything else. I mean, I would love to

750
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:04.239
be about the loop on it.
That's usual with the great job to do,

751
00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:07.760
because they do work hard every day
on but you know, most people

752
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:12.119
won't watch I do a full investigation
case because they don't tend to be too

753
00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:15.360
exciting. Frankly, they're pretty well
I don't know, I guess, but

754
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:17.519
I'm biased. I mean, like, you know, Moufin had a show

755
00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:21.639
several years ago that was like that, and I thought that was great.

756
00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:25.280
I thought that was a really cool
show. But who knows, we're not

757
00:53:25.400 --> 00:53:29.719
producers. Well, well, it
was a good show and it didn't get

758
00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:32.960
picked up. Yeah, exactly.
There were three three pilot shows done and

759
00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:37.599
then they never got sold. Yeah, exactly. That tells you. Yeah,

760
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:38.519
so it's all about, you know, can you sell a show?

761
00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:45.039
So yeah, So I was just
going to say the presidential files, now,

762
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:50.599
those aren't necessarily move On files.
They're investigations that move On people have

763
00:53:50.840 --> 00:53:55.039
done. Is that correct? Like
for instance, John Ventry says move On

764
00:53:55.239 --> 00:54:01.760
has in its files eyewitnesses to the
ice and how are extraterrestrial meeting mm?

765
00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:06.920
Is that true? Well, we
do, well, we do have files

766
00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:13.199
on that whole event that happened from
multiple sources, so you know from Lynn

767
00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:17.840
Stringfield, files from from newspaper clippings
from we just put out on who's released

768
00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:21.920
the last week or week before about
t W a pylo who called us who

769
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:23.400
now he was the first hand witness, he was, but he but he

770
00:54:23.480 --> 00:54:28.239
talked to the first hand witness suit
who had seen the event or heard about

771
00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:34.719
the event. We also have recordings
from you know, Frank strangers and people

772
00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:37.639
from the past. So I mean
there is there is plenty of documented evidence

773
00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:40.239
in the files. Now, it's
is a natural case file where a move

774
00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:43.599
On investory went out and talked to
the president says no, it's not,

775
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:51.360
but that there is evidence to back
up the stories. Okay, got cham

776
00:54:52.360 --> 00:54:58.480
Cool? So yeah, when do
you think there are or have you had

777
00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:04.320
any people saying in move on,
Wait a second, that's kind of not

778
00:55:05.639 --> 00:55:10.400
our kind our case files. Why
are we putting our caselves on TV or

779
00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:14.280
what we are? No? You
know like that with the presidential cases,

780
00:55:14.320 --> 00:55:16.400
that's not really a case file.
Have you ever had have you had any

781
00:55:16.519 --> 00:55:22.119
backlash in that way with the show? Over all? The feedback has been

782
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:24.519
overwhelmingly positive. Cool. I mean, would we prefer to have, you

783
00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:30.000
know, just a specific case that
we did? Absolutely? And I had

784
00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:31.840
a conversation with the producer yesterday,
say, you know, we'd like to

785
00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:35.320
steer it back that way if we
can't. I mean, but to get

786
00:55:35.400 --> 00:55:38.079
something on the air, get it
sold, you' see either you know,

787
00:55:39.400 --> 00:55:43.559
you have to kind of roll with
the punches on some of the stuff to

788
00:55:44.480 --> 00:55:46.280
otherwise you're not gonna make it on
the air, won't the show won't go.

789
00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:50.199
So the one thing I as you
like about the show is it's different

790
00:55:50.239 --> 00:55:52.280
than other UFO shows. So it's
gonna take topics and everyone's going to be

791
00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:55.800
different. So it's gonna be completely
different. It's like UFO hotspots in America.

792
00:55:55.920 --> 00:55:59.679
There's gonna be like Star Wars Weaponry. There's gonna be different shows on

793
00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:02.119
different topics, and they're going to
try to use case files and and and

794
00:56:02.679 --> 00:56:07.639
actual setting reports to kind of tie
back into is it possible that maybe this

795
00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:12.639
is something that we used to develop
and get to where we are today.

796
00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:16.400
So it's gonna it's basically going to
make people think about the whole UFO subject

797
00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:21.920
and how it has impact this as
as a human species. So I think

798
00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:24.199
that'll be a good, good way
to go. I think people will like

799
00:56:24.280 --> 00:56:29.599
it. We'll see if there's a
second season or not, and then where

800
00:56:29.679 --> 00:56:31.800
that goes. Mm hm, well
cool. Yeah, it seems to be

801
00:56:31.880 --> 00:56:36.000
popular so far. I mean,
I just uh, because people have been

802
00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:37.800
asking us about it, you know, especially with Jason in it. How

803
00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:40.159
do I watch it? How do
I watch it? And I went to

804
00:56:40.239 --> 00:56:45.519
the H two site this morning to
get the link and it showed it as

805
00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:50.599
the top of the most popular shows
being you know viewed on the H two

806
00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:53.119
site. Yeah, it actually was
the number one show for Friday Night,

807
00:56:53.159 --> 00:56:57.400
which is kind of amazing. Since
Ancient Aliens has been their number one show

808
00:56:57.480 --> 00:57:00.800
up at this point in time.
Wow, probably because it's probably because it's

809
00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:04.840
a new, something new. People
want to see something new, so so

810
00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:07.360
luvefully that will continue. And yeah, we're pleased with the response. It's

811
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:13.679
a very positive response here at headquarters. Speaking of something new. Your website

812
00:57:13.760 --> 00:57:19.760
which looks great. I mean,
I think this website is really awesome.

813
00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:23.960
I think it's it's definitely befitting of
a serious uh, you know, professional

814
00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:30.119
organizations which moved on is so are
you? I'm sure you guys are pretty

815
00:57:30.119 --> 00:57:32.480
happy with it. Well, yeah, definitely. It's three years in the

816
00:57:32.559 --> 00:57:37.039
making, a lot of hard work
by a lot of people. When I

817
00:57:37.079 --> 00:57:39.400
took over in August, I grabbed
a web designer that I had used for

818
00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:43.039
our symposium and I asked him if
he could take the work and had been

819
00:57:43.039 --> 00:57:45.280
done up at that point in time
and kind of improve upon it and actually

820
00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:52.880
come up with the graphics and the
same tryan Silverburgs and outstanding artists and branders.

821
00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:57.239
What is real? Forte is and
he auly he puts together a very

822
00:57:57.280 --> 00:58:00.679
nice time and I was continue to
change and evolve. We're really just trying

823
00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:02.400
to make it easy for people to
get information and get links to things that

824
00:58:02.519 --> 00:58:07.679
they need, particularly the siding reporting
data, but also just general articles on

825
00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:12.880
different topics. So I think we've
got you features in there even now hundred,

826
00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:17.719
so it's hopefully we'll be a research
tool for people. The other thing

827
00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:22.559
is to help people kind of identify
what they've seen. We're going to work

828
00:58:22.599 --> 00:58:28.119
on an IFO section, and that's
underworks because a lot of times people see

829
00:58:28.119 --> 00:58:30.039
stuff and if they go to the
website and they say, oh, this

830
00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:32.639
was a lenticular cloud en, that's
what it looks like. That's what I

831
00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:36.079
saw, or you know, this
was a Chinese lantern. Oh that's what

832
00:58:36.119 --> 00:58:37.679
it looked like. When they're going
up in the sky and you know,

833
00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:42.559
we want to kind of help people
identify what they're seeing in the night sky

834
00:58:42.679 --> 00:58:45.760
because you know, you're not always
out staring at the sky, and so

835
00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:49.480
you see something extraordinary like the International
Space Station go overhead. I mean,

836
00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:52.079
first time you see it might startle
you and say, oh my gosh,

837
00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:54.599
there's a UFO, but it's just
something very very common. So we're trying

838
00:58:54.639 --> 00:58:59.039
to cut down on the number of
reports of things we get that are just

839
00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:02.960
IFO related. Something else you're doing, which is really cool. And this

840
00:59:04.079 --> 00:59:06.679
started, you know, I think
a few months ago, prior to the

841
00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:09.199
website even coming out, but now
you can find this stuff on the website

842
00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:16.679
is highlighting what a UFO case of
the month and then like you did an

843
00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:23.800
alert recently where you will send out
information on a particularly important report. Is

844
00:59:23.880 --> 00:59:29.239
that correct, That's right. I'm
trying to from a communication plan standpoint,

845
00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:32.039
we have about thirty eight thousand people
on our constant contact list, and so

846
00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:37.320
the first week of the month,
I am trying to put out the this

847
00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:39.000
is all being done by me,
So I got a look for volunteers,

848
00:59:39.039 --> 00:59:43.719
know how to do this stuff.
Offload some of this stuff, but I

849
00:59:43.800 --> 00:59:47.400
put out these CMS statistics. So
a case management system is our exciting reporting

850
00:59:47.440 --> 00:59:50.360
system, which is available to anyone. Can go in and search it,

851
00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:53.119
and we just give them a snapshot
of here's how many exciting reports came in.

852
00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:55.880
Here's where they were seeing, here's
kind of what they looked like.

853
00:59:57.039 --> 01:00:00.360
You know, from a shape standpoint. We may add the more more detailed

854
01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:06.159
to that as we go. So
it's a quick blast just letting people know.

855
01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:07.599
Okay, you know, in France
we had three reports this month,

856
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:12.559
you know, in the state of
Colorado, we had twenty seven or something,

857
01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:17.320
so it's it's just a snapshot.
And then I follow that up two

858
01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:21.159
weeks later with the case of the
Months. And what I've done is at

859
01:00:21.199 --> 01:00:24.119
aster director of research who piles through
all these things with a team of people

860
01:00:24.159 --> 01:00:27.800
who call through them to try to
come up with our top ten for the

861
01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:30.039
year. Just give me a case, you know, it's an interesting case.

862
01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:32.199
And so we've had a couple.
I think there's a boomerang case,

863
01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:38.519
and we had another interesting case that
we've set up and those will be coming

864
01:00:38.519 --> 01:00:42.760
out every month. So just trying
to get people to know, Hey,

865
01:00:43.159 --> 01:00:45.559
UFOs are happening. They're not.
They're not because I give this question all

866
01:00:45.559 --> 01:00:47.760
the time, like, you haven't
heard anying about UFOs a long time,

867
01:00:47.800 --> 01:00:52.480
So are there really any anymore?
Yeah, of course we get five hundred

868
01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:54.039
thousand reports a month, and I
wish I could tell you those are all

869
01:00:55.480 --> 01:00:59.800
extra treasholds coming here from another planet
or not, you know. But but

870
01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:02.840
a lot of them are very very
interesting cases that with some extraordinary things happening.

871
01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:06.440
So we're trying to put those out
there to people just give them,

872
01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:07.519
to give them the broad brush here, wh here's what came in the last

873
01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:12.360
month and then give them up here's
a case of interest. Hopefully we'll draw

874
01:01:12.400 --> 01:01:15.400
them to the website and they have
them go do some more research because we

875
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:19.079
have other cases. We've got the
newsroom now on the site. Roger Marsh

876
01:01:19.159 --> 01:01:21.599
is providing most of the content to
that. We're looking for other people who

877
01:01:21.639 --> 01:01:25.480
are writers to participate in that.
We can link back to your other sites

878
01:01:25.519 --> 01:01:30.079
if you're blogging right now. We're
just looking for credible stuff that people can

879
01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:32.000
put up there and people can go
research and review to see what's happening.

880
01:01:34.119 --> 01:01:37.239
So yeah, so's it's coming together. I'm pleased with it. It's just

881
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:39.320
it's you know, it's like we're
on this treadmill and the treadmill is speeding

882
01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:43.639
up. So right now I'm in
a dead heat run trying to keep up

883
01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:45.599
with all this stuff. Right,
well, it's cool. I think what

884
01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:51.039
all of these things is our big
deal? I mean for someone like me.

885
01:01:51.119 --> 01:01:52.360
So it's been a moof on an
advocate for a long time, a

886
01:01:52.480 --> 01:01:57.360
member, investigator everything for a long
time, you know, and people are

887
01:01:57.360 --> 01:02:00.559
always asking about what about move on
this? What about move find that it's

888
01:02:00.599 --> 01:02:06.480
awesome to be able to It allows
us. It's people covering this stuff.

889
01:02:06.519 --> 01:02:09.000
When you all send that out to
write a story on on, you know

890
01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:15.079
what you send out and then to
demonstrate that move On is very active and

891
01:02:15.159 --> 01:02:20.639
there's a lot going on, getting
a lot of reports and to show people

892
01:02:20.679 --> 01:02:22.960
well here's you know what they're doing, here's what's going on. Yeah.

893
01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:27.719
Absolutely, any self who can give
us in that regard, we really appreciate,

894
01:02:27.800 --> 01:02:30.800
or anyone else who's listening. You
know, we want to be more

895
01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:34.840
open, we want to be more
forthright with what's there. There's really nothing

896
01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:37.000
to hide. I mean, move
on. Move On is just we're the

897
01:02:37.079 --> 01:02:40.000
data collectors for the world and we're
just trying to make that available to the

898
01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:45.400
anyone who who needs it or wants
it or and just trying to change,

899
01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:47.559
like I said, one one,
one mind of the time through through hard

900
01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:52.599
factual data. You know, it's
the people. You know, You've got

901
01:02:52.639 --> 01:02:58.039
a long wide spectrum of people,
everything from the medical bolts, you know,

902
01:02:58.159 --> 01:03:00.519
scientist type who if it doesn't you
know, he can't feel, touch

903
01:03:00.599 --> 01:03:05.440
and see it, he doesn't exist, all the way out to the Yeah,

904
01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:07.719
I call him the crystal people,
right, I mean the psychics,

905
01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:13.280
And so I always say move On
is kind of left of the center,

906
01:03:13.400 --> 01:03:15.000
you know, we're closer to the
scientist types. We're looking for the hard

907
01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:19.519
data. But we're going to realize
there's a lot of people out there with

908
01:03:19.559 --> 01:03:22.000
a lot of different views, and
we're trying to at least accommodate some of

909
01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:28.159
those other viewpoints and let them have
their time. Well, and you mentioned

910
01:03:28.400 --> 01:03:34.119
abduction and abduction research, and now
I think it's a common miscon misperception people

911
01:03:34.159 --> 01:03:37.440
have out there is that move On
isn't interested in that sort of thing.

912
01:03:37.519 --> 01:03:42.159
But you even have a director in
charge of abduction research and absolutely, Kathleen

913
01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:45.199
Martin, and she's the niece of
Betty from Betty and Barney Hill. She's

914
01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:51.239
been a chief investigator on that whole
case and does a wonderful job for us

915
01:03:51.599 --> 01:03:59.280
with her team of associates. Craig
Lang. I'm just picking states there,

916
01:03:59.320 --> 01:04:04.119
but I believe that out of Minnesota, Craig Lang, and we've got Don

917
01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:09.239
Dundera who's a professor, retired professor
out of McGill University, used to work

918
01:04:09.280 --> 01:04:12.199
with Bud Hopkins and a number of
other people on our team. You can

919
01:04:12.280 --> 01:04:15.119
look at it on the website,
just go to who we Are and then

920
01:04:15.360 --> 01:04:17.960
the drop down menu has Abduction Research
Team and click on it, and we

921
01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:23.559
actually have an abduction questionnaire where people
can take answer the questionnaire and they will

922
01:04:23.719 --> 01:04:26.719
score it for you and tell you, based on the questionnaire whether how likely

923
01:04:26.760 --> 01:04:31.000
it is you were an abductee,
you know, from a actual scientific waiting

924
01:04:31.039 --> 01:04:35.440
standpoint. So, and then we
also provide a lot of services in terms

925
01:04:35.480 --> 01:04:41.000
of helping people find therapy because people
who've had these experiences, like I've said,

926
01:04:41.039 --> 01:04:44.320
for some of them at a very
terrifying event, it really disrupts their

927
01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:48.840
lives and makes them so they CANbus
can't function unfortunately, and they need help

928
01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:53.280
and they're reaching out for help,
or sometimes they they just need to find

929
01:04:53.519 --> 01:04:58.079
other people who have had similar experiences
that they can talk to, because when

930
01:04:58.119 --> 01:05:00.360
they talk to their family, they
don't get a whole lot of it empathy.

931
01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:03.400
It's like, you know, they're
ostracized. So, yes, we

932
01:05:03.679 --> 01:05:06.960
are very much interested the production phenomenon. We're trying to approach it from a

933
01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:13.320
scientific standpoint. We also know that
people want help and we're helping trying to

934
01:05:13.360 --> 01:05:17.880
provide that for them through a referral
service we provide. And then one more

935
01:05:17.920 --> 01:05:20.960
thing I want to mention. Just
another cool feature on the website to get

936
01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:25.480
people to check it out. Is
this UFO Photo of the Week that is

937
01:05:25.559 --> 01:05:30.840
also going up there. Really interesting
because people are so visual they want to

938
01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:34.000
see pictures exactly. You know,
that was my biggest complaint about our last

939
01:05:34.039 --> 01:05:38.199
website. We didn't really have anything
visual on it. So I've asked the

940
01:05:38.280 --> 01:05:42.400
team to pull a picture every week
out of our CMS database and post it

941
01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:45.039
on the site. So I've actually
got it reminded. I've got to get

942
01:05:45.039 --> 01:05:47.639
on that, make sure that happens
this week. But over time then we'll

943
01:05:47.679 --> 01:05:49.920
have the whole collection of you know, fifty after a year, we're going

944
01:05:49.960 --> 01:05:54.039
to have fifty four photos up there
there. Now, we can't guarantee that

945
01:05:54.079 --> 01:05:59.039
every single one as an alien craft, but what we can do is to

946
01:05:59.119 --> 01:06:01.880
our photo analysts and different things,
we can determine that photos haven't been altered,

947
01:06:02.719 --> 01:06:05.719
that you know that in fact,
it's something of significance to you.

948
01:06:06.920 --> 01:06:12.880
After a major investigation, it may
turn out that what was posted turns out

949
01:06:12.880 --> 01:06:15.840
to be something very terrestrial, in
which case, in which case we'll let

950
01:06:15.880 --> 01:06:18.840
them know that. So yeah,
we're just trying to get the word out

951
01:06:18.880 --> 01:06:21.159
there. And I think You're right. People are visual and I think that's

952
01:06:21.239 --> 01:06:25.079
kind of stuff that they like to
see. Cool. Well, right off

953
01:06:25.159 --> 01:06:28.800
the bat, I mean there's a
ton of information at this website, So

954
01:06:28.920 --> 01:06:33.880
anybody who hasn't been to this site
can go there and stay busy for a

955
01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:39.239
few hours, I think, reading
and looking at information. Absolutely, We've

956
01:06:39.239 --> 01:06:43.559
got videos posted, We've got articles
that have been posted. We're gonna have

957
01:06:43.599 --> 01:06:46.480
a lot more coming up on the
website. It's going to this constant flow

958
01:06:46.559 --> 01:06:49.559
of new information daily on it,
so you want to go back again and

959
01:06:49.639 --> 01:06:54.320
again, So just go to moufon
dot com and enjoy. Well, this

960
01:06:54.480 --> 01:06:57.840
is cool, it's exciting. I
mean your efforts and the website and then

961
01:06:57.960 --> 01:07:02.039
Roger Marsh always writing about the siting. It means it'll be a lot more

962
01:07:02.159 --> 01:07:05.519
a bigger flow of information out to
people about what you guys are up to.

963
01:07:05.639 --> 01:07:10.639
And I think, really that's what
people have been interested in, and

964
01:07:12.280 --> 01:07:15.840
now they're getting it in abundance,
not that they weren't getting it before,

965
01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:19.679
but even more so now, which
is really exciting. Yeah, and I

966
01:07:19.760 --> 01:07:24.280
think that's what people have been requesting, like you said, and we're hoping

967
01:07:24.360 --> 01:07:29.719
to deliver all right, great,
and then people also other things that are

968
01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:33.679
going on. I guess the symposium
will be coming out here to compose absolutely,

969
01:07:33.840 --> 01:07:39.039
that's coming up the July seventeenth through
the twentieth at the Crown Plaza and

970
01:07:39.199 --> 01:07:41.559
Cherry Hill, New Jersey. You
can click on our website on the right

971
01:07:41.599 --> 01:07:44.159
hand side homepage. There's a little
TV set. Click on that and you

972
01:07:44.199 --> 01:07:46.719
can get the speaker information and all
the where, when, what, whyse

973
01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:51.119
for the show and we're looking forward
to having hosting all of you there in

974
01:07:51.519 --> 01:07:56.239
July this year. All right,
great, well, thank you so much.

975
01:07:56.280 --> 01:07:58.519
I think we're pretty much out of
time, but thank you so much

976
01:07:58.559 --> 01:08:02.280
for taking the time to talk to
us. Really interesting stuff and it's really

977
01:08:02.360 --> 01:08:06.760
exciting everything going on with mof on
right now. Yes, let's talk again.

978
01:08:06.800 --> 01:08:11.679
Thanks are yep, thank you,
thank you? All right, thank

979
01:08:11.719 --> 01:08:15.239
you to Jan And of course you
can go see mofon in their new website

980
01:08:15.319 --> 01:08:19.800
at moufon dot com. Really cool
website and they've got a lot of information

981
01:08:20.079 --> 01:08:25.720
on there now for people to go
look at, and it's a great website.

982
01:08:25.800 --> 01:08:29.800
They needed a new one and whoever
put that together did a really really

983
01:08:29.840 --> 01:08:32.800
good job, So go check it
out at mofon dot com. And of

984
01:08:33.119 --> 01:08:38.279
course were latest UFO news and the
news that we talked about earlier in the

985
01:08:38.359 --> 01:08:43.399
show. You can go to the
Openminds dot Tv. We also have our

986
01:08:43.640 --> 01:08:47.199
YouTube channel that you can check things
out there, including Spacing Out, and

987
01:08:47.239 --> 01:08:50.840
there'll be a new episode of Spacing
Out, I believe later this week,

988
01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:55.560
so you'll be able to check that
out. Of course, that's where Jason

989
01:08:55.640 --> 01:09:00.720
and Maureen talk about all of the
UFO news on and it's a video web

990
01:09:00.840 --> 01:09:08.319
series that we have, so Openminds
dot tv to find all of that.

991
01:09:08.840 --> 01:09:13.239
I also, as usual, want
to thank the people who put together our

992
01:09:13.319 --> 01:09:15.399
music, and it's actually just one
person this week, and that is Caleb

993
01:09:15.520 --> 01:09:24.279
Hanks. He put that opening music
together for us specifically, but he also

994
01:09:24.479 --> 01:09:28.479
does his own music and he's put
out an EP. I talked about this

995
01:09:28.720 --> 01:09:33.279
earlier, but it's pretty cool.
Caleb has given me permission to play songs

996
01:09:33.359 --> 01:09:36.439
from that EP at the end of
every show, which I want to do

997
01:09:36.560 --> 01:09:41.239
because I think they're really cool.
I think he's done a great job putting

998
01:09:41.319 --> 01:09:44.760
these together and I think you all
would really like them. So you can

999
01:09:44.840 --> 01:09:47.640
go look for the EP. Just
go look for the clerk Caleb Hanks.

1000
01:09:47.720 --> 01:09:53.439
You could Google that I'll put the
link up on the radio site, but

1001
01:09:54.279 --> 01:09:57.159
well, we already have a link
up there. I'm pretty sure. But

1002
01:09:58.159 --> 01:10:00.560
this song that we're going to play
at the end of the show so today

1003
01:10:00.760 --> 01:10:05.439
is called Vision, So I guess
it's Caleb's vision of the future. And

1004
01:10:05.520 --> 01:10:10.239
you wouldn't know it, but Caleb
is so serious in this music, and

1005
01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:14.239
you know, it sounds like,
you know, he's getting into some deep

1006
01:10:14.319 --> 01:10:17.840
topics and stuff, but he's actually
really goofy. He's a goofball. He's

1007
01:10:17.920 --> 01:10:23.760
sillier than I am. Super silly
guy, super cool guy. But anyways,

1008
01:10:24.119 --> 01:10:28.199
check out the clerk. We will
talk to you later. We'll be

1009
01:10:28.279 --> 01:10:32.000
on next week with Patty Greer talking
cropsicles, So we'll talk to you next

1010
01:10:32.079 --> 01:12:08.800
week. People, Adios mucatos,
even lock never a one day. Well

1011
01:12:17.319 --> 01:12:43.640
then do you think that dially like
Machine or Red and Us any better?

1012
01:12:45.520 --> 01:14:00.800
Chically? I would rey? Am
I only one that Monday? Ms my

1013
01:14:01.039 --> 01:14:23.479
mind up up, my st