1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,080 All right, Oh, you guess it's up to me, right, who's 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:06,839 driving the bus? I guess I am doing it. Ask not what your 3 00:00:06,879 --> 00:00:11,439 country can do for you, Ask what you can do for your country. 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:25,399 Mister garbutchaf tear down this wall, read my lifts. Today's settlement of seven 5 00:00:25,519 --> 00:00:34,520 hundred eighty seven million, five hundred thousand dollars represents vindication and accountability. Lies 6 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:40,200 have consequences. It's the Ricochet Podcast. I'm Rob Long with Peter Robinson and 7 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,320 Charlie Cook. Today we're going to talk to Ann Coulter. Would you see 8 00:00:44,359 --> 00:00:48,479 Belts and deb Saunders? Lots to talk about. Let's have a podcast. 9 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:53,840 Believe me, you'll never get bored with when we never get bored. Hello 10 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:58,960 and welco The Ricochet Podcast Number six hundred thirty eight, six hundred thirty eight 11 00:00:59,039 --> 00:01:04,280 podcasts. Oh man, um and uh yeah, I guess six hundred and 12 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,040 thirty eight more to go. Um. I am Rob Long in New York 13 00:01:07,079 --> 00:01:11,359 City. I'm joined as always by Peter Robinson and Palo Alto, California. 14 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,040 How are you? Peter? Very well should say that James Lilacs is abroad. 15 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:19,120 James Lilax is taking that trip to Spain that we caused so much commotion 16 00:01:19,359 --> 00:01:26,040 over the the proper pronunciation of Barcelona. Um depends on where you're from. 17 00:01:26,359 --> 00:01:30,640 UM. And we're joined by Charles C. Cook Charlie Cook in Florida. 18 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,599 Is that Creig correct? How are you doing everything good? We should? 19 00:01:34,799 --> 00:01:38,480 We should. Before we get jumping into the news, we have and Culture 20 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,920 as a guest at dev Saunders, So it's going to be a pack show. 21 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:42,319 Before we get in there, we do want to say we had a 22 00:01:42,359 --> 00:01:47,359 great time in New Orleans, Charlie, right, we did. Absolutely. 23 00:01:47,359 --> 00:01:52,280 We stood on the street and we watched Dixieland jazz. That's right, That's 24 00:01:52,359 --> 00:01:56,000 right. That was That was after a great dinner with a bunch of people. 25 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:57,400 UM we had I don't know, we had that thirty maybe thirty more, 26 00:01:57,519 --> 00:02:01,159 thirty more um Rick and members came spent. Some people spent the whole 27 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,799 week, Some people spent the long weekend. Uh. Some people like me 28 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,319 flew in and flew out. UM. Randy way Voda, he organized the 29 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,759 whole thing, did a great job. Of course, Melissa, you know 30 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,960 she said up the podcast recording which would be posted shortly, which was really 31 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:19,599 more of a conversation UM among all of us because people joined in, so 32 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,479 you want to have to tune up a video to hear the audio to hear 33 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:28,159 everybody joined by a member named Dan who has been a long time member, 34 00:02:28,199 --> 00:02:30,680 a charter member. How a bunch of charter members, Peter by the reality, 35 00:02:30,719 --> 00:02:31,719 Yeah, you should come to one of these. They would like to 36 00:02:31,719 --> 00:02:35,520 shake your hand. Um. And uh, a lot of them, like 37 00:02:35,599 --> 00:02:38,120 Dan had had never posted. They're just members of the community, really, 38 00:02:38,199 --> 00:02:42,199 and that's really great. And then some great ideas came too many people to 39 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,240 name all. Some great ideas came out of a lot of people had some 40 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,680 great thoughts. For m painter Geane, for instance, she had a great 41 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:52,639 thought for maybe we'd have some kind of like a Bricochet version of Ricoche Etsy 42 00:02:52,719 --> 00:02:55,520 somewhere on the site, which would be awesome. Um. And it was 43 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,840 a great time, a lot of great conversation, a lot of fun. 44 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,479 I did have to buy two drinks. I told you I would buy drinks 45 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,479 for it. Anyone who joined Ricochet just to come to that meet up. 46 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,879 And there were two people raised their hand. They both got pretty good sas 47 00:03:07,039 --> 00:03:12,159 racks. By the way, Um, and if you're listening to this and 48 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,319 you thought yourself yeah, I don't know. I want to join. I'll 49 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,680 join just to throw them some money. I mean, we'd like you to 50 00:03:19,719 --> 00:03:22,919 say that. By the way, Um, you should join for the things 51 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:24,120 like this. This was loads of fun. They're gonna be more of them. 52 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,000 We'll talk about more of them later. Um. But this is part 53 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,280 of the joy of being in a community of actual people and not just faceless 54 00:03:31,479 --> 00:03:37,240 um and bots. You know, we get together and we have fun. 55 00:03:37,319 --> 00:03:40,280 So um, next time, Peter, you gotta come, I'd love to. 56 00:03:42,199 --> 00:03:46,000 I'd love to. In the meantime, we are going to talk a 57 00:03:46,039 --> 00:03:50,599 little bit today with the Ann and Dead Anne, another Florida resident. I 58 00:03:50,639 --> 00:03:54,159 want to talk to get Anne and Charlie talk a little bit about whether it's 59 00:03:54,240 --> 00:04:00,479 the implosion of Ron de Santis is real, fake, imagined wish casting in 60 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,000 the parts of the liberal media, or what parts of it are true, 61 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,680 what parts of are false, if not all of them are Whilst but before 62 00:04:04,719 --> 00:04:14,759 we do, speaking of twenty twenty four, Robert Kennedy Junior is running for 63 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:21,879 president in the United States. He's already polling at fourteen percent. I don't 64 00:04:21,879 --> 00:04:27,279 know what to say about that, except so very recently I just assumed he 65 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,680 was kind of a crackpot on the fringes, But that doesn't mean that's not 66 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:35,759 actually musually exclusive. I don't know what to make of it either. I 67 00:04:35,879 --> 00:04:42,639 thought he was a crack pot on the fringes because of his well i'll tell 68 00:04:42,639 --> 00:04:46,199 you why, because I read what the Mainspring stream press has been saying about 69 00:04:46,319 --> 00:04:49,439 him for low these many years, and so far as I knew, he 70 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:54,879 had dedicated himself after a series of sort of conventional liberal do good and causes, 71 00:04:55,160 --> 00:05:00,399 he dedicated himself in recent years to the cause of anti vaccines. And 72 00:05:01,959 --> 00:05:05,680 then it turns out, according to friends of mine who know more about this 73 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:11,199 than I do, that at least during COVID, he had the better of 74 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:15,519 a number of arguments, and the public health authorities and the conventional wisdom had 75 00:05:15,519 --> 00:05:19,680 the worse. So I don't I really don't know what to make The numbers, 76 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:24,879 of course, indicate that well there, it seems to me it indicates 77 00:05:24,879 --> 00:05:28,240 a couple of things. One is that Joe Biden is just extremely weak. 78 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:33,920 If Robert Kennedy, whom only people our age and up, and I refer 79 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:39,000 to you and me, Rob and exclude Charlie our age and up. Actually 80 00:05:40,079 --> 00:05:44,279 yeah, actually not much actually have a working memory of when the Kennedy's were 81 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:49,000 a glamorous and serious element in the American politics. So that he's Puly fourteen 82 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:55,040 percent when most of the electorate can't remember who the Kennedys are exactly, says 83 00:05:55,079 --> 00:05:59,439 something. And then the other thing that says is that the barriers to entry 84 00:05:59,439 --> 00:06:02,800 to use up in the school term are way low now when it comes to 85 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:11,920 presidential races. I don't believe Vivic Ramaswamy really is running for president. It's 86 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,639 hard for me to believe it. Maybe in his heart of hearts he is, 87 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,240 but it looks to me as though there's no downside and running for president. 88 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:23,279 If your Vivic Ramaswamy or now Larry Elder apparently has announced that he's running 89 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:27,240 for president, you get your talk radio number numbers up, You get your 90 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,759 start collecting email addresses to whom the publisher of your next book can promote your 91 00:06:32,759 --> 00:06:38,079 book. And maybe RFK Jr. Is doing something like that. This is 92 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,800 just you gotta be careful because you might win. I mean, that's kind 93 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,680 of what Trump yes, yes, on election night, and nobody is more 94 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,639 surprised than he exactly. So let's see what Charlie Trump. Charlie makes of 95 00:06:47,639 --> 00:06:51,240 all this well. I think the second point you made is the keywan. 96 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:56,800 I do think he's a kug. You do, but oh yeah, you've 97 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,160 looked into it more than I have. Wow. The thing is is, 98 00:07:00,399 --> 00:07:04,519 if you're reflexively against all vaccines and consider them to be a plot, you 99 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:10,480 will eventually stumble upon a position that could, if you squint, seem president. 100 00:07:12,279 --> 00:07:15,680 You know, my mother teaches children with autism, and he ran around 101 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,680 the country in the world telling parents that vaccines can give you autism, as 102 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:24,279 if it's an infectious disease, which is lunacy. But there's the guy, 103 00:07:24,319 --> 00:07:28,560 the kook. But I think you're dead on Peter when you say that. 104 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:33,560 The fact that he jumped up instantly to fourteen fifteen percent shows us something about 105 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,720 Biden. And I actually think the press is underplaying this story. Shock horror. 106 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:45,160 The history of sitting presidents who are challenged, including by Kennedy's, is 107 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:51,439 not one right that you would wish to see repeated. Are a Democrat? 108 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:57,439 Has anybody ever won without happening? No? I mean, obviously there are 109 00:07:57,639 --> 00:08:01,879 fringe candidates. I don't mean ideological, I mean in terms of their support 110 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:07,319 who say I'm going to challenge the president. In twenty sixteen, Bill World 111 00:08:07,439 --> 00:08:11,600 ran for the Republican nomination against Donald Trump, but he never polled at more 112 00:08:11,639 --> 00:08:16,920 than two or three percent. Even that was rare. There was no challenger 113 00:08:16,959 --> 00:08:20,480 for Obama, There was no challenger for George W. Bush, There was 114 00:08:20,519 --> 00:08:26,240 no challenger for Clinton. There was a challenger for George H. W. 115 00:08:26,399 --> 00:08:30,040 Bush. His name was perhap U Cannon. He polled in the double digits 116 00:08:30,079 --> 00:08:33,879 and he really did a lot of damage to George H. W. Bush's 117 00:08:33,639 --> 00:08:43,399 re election campaign. Before that, Ted Kennedy took on Jimmy Carter, damaged 118 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:48,240 Jimmy Carter a great deal. Two of the seven campaign videos that Ronald Reagan 119 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:52,559 ran in nineteen eighty were just Ted Kennedy speaking, and then at the end 120 00:08:52,559 --> 00:09:00,720 it said Reagan for President. Four years earlier, Reagan himself had on Gerald 121 00:09:00,799 --> 00:09:03,879 Ford, nearly won the nomination, Gerald Ford lost. It never came to 122 00:09:03,919 --> 00:09:07,240 that in sixty eight because Johnston stepped out, but he had a challenger. 123 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:11,639 Robert F. Kennedy was one of them, Robert F. Kennedy Junior as 124 00:09:11,639 --> 00:09:15,720 father. The point here is that we have not, in half a century 125 00:09:15,799 --> 00:09:20,360 or more had a challenger who has pulled in the double digits against a sitting 126 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:26,639 president and that sitting president won the subsequent reelection campaign. This could do a 127 00:09:26,639 --> 00:09:31,600 lot of damage. And the fact, as you said, that Biden is 128 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:37,360 that eighty five percent against this guy who is a kook, who is not 129 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,679 well known, shows you that he's weak and really should represent an alarm. 130 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,720 Not because Biden's going to lose the nomination, not I think because Robert F. 131 00:09:45,799 --> 00:09:48,159 Kennedy Junior is going to be the nominee or the president, but just 132 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:52,519 because it's very unusual and it never ends well, right, I mean that, 133 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,799 So how come you didn't provide that history? Listen, Rob Well, 134 00:09:56,799 --> 00:10:01,840 I was gonna Charlie didn't even go to Yale for goodness sake. That's right. 135 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:07,000 Well, look, I mean, I guess the question is, um, 136 00:10:07,039 --> 00:10:09,559 if you're the Biden campaign, which is starting, I guess it's gonna 137 00:10:09,759 --> 00:10:16,240 people say they're gonna announced next week, what are you hoping for? Um? 138 00:10:16,279 --> 00:10:22,799 Are you hoping for Donald Trump? Are you hoping for someone else? 139 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:24,759 I mean, right right now, the political calculation seems to be to be 140 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:31,320 just from looking at how incredibly over the top the the criticism of Ron de 141 00:10:31,399 --> 00:10:39,519 santisis and also just how how you know this is my own uh takeaway here? 142 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:46,559 How overly um um excited and excitable the press is about the missteps that 143 00:10:46,879 --> 00:10:50,879 they perceived that ron and Santis has done. Um that they're really frightened of 144 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:56,960 him. Oh for sure. Um, so they don't want him, but 145 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:03,799 I remember twenty six they really wanted Trump. They still want Trump. They 146 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:09,480 still still Trump, they still want Trump Trump. Could I I'm going to 147 00:11:09,519 --> 00:11:13,120 say something that sounds obvious, and it is obvious, except that it surprised 148 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,440 me at the time, and it has never ceased to surprise me since the 149 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:22,960 first time I walked into the Oval office. Oh I was, I can't 150 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:28,799 remember my first impression was, and it just words formed unbidden in my mind. 151 00:11:30,759 --> 00:11:35,399 Wait a minute, He's just a man, and we tend to forget 152 00:11:35,639 --> 00:11:39,759 at least, and I would tend to forget it every time you see Ronald 153 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,360 I live. I worked in a white House. So it's it's in my 154 00:11:41,399 --> 00:11:50,679 head that at the center of all of this is an eighty something, you're 155 00:11:50,759 --> 00:11:58,440 old human being who is clearly declining and declining pretty quickly. Everyone around him 156 00:11:58,639 --> 00:12:03,879 knows that. I can tell you from working in an operation like that, 157 00:12:03,879 --> 00:12:09,360 that that if the president seems a little off one morning, word moves right 158 00:12:09,399 --> 00:12:16,440 through the whole organization. That And so there are people who we complain all 159 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,600 the time about the way the progressive left is trying to keep us from saying 160 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,080 anything out loud in that organization. They're not allowed to say to each other. 161 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,440 You know, I'm not sure he's going to look too good by convention 162 00:12:28,519 --> 00:12:35,440 time. Um So, so there is this this weird thing where they all 163 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:41,879 know that he's declining, but nobody's allowed to say so except RFK Junior perhaps. 164 00:12:41,879 --> 00:12:46,120 But I'm just it's very easy to do to talk about these terms in 165 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,120 terms of sort of strategy, as if these people were talking about are Big 166 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,799 Macy's Day balloons parading down the political street or they have control over themselves in 167 00:12:54,879 --> 00:13:00,080 acting. So let's jump right into this and we're talking about politics, and 168 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:05,360 we are joined by our old friend and culture. That's how you know you're 169 00:13:05,399 --> 00:13:11,720 listening to an independent, fearless conservative podcast, because Anne's here to give us 170 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:18,759 some independent and fearless conservative conversation and was famously wrote a book called In Trump 171 00:13:18,799 --> 00:13:24,159 We Trust and then I can then probably has an addendum to it which is 172 00:13:24,159 --> 00:13:30,000 a little bit more throat. I've given the answer one million times before. 173 00:13:30,039 --> 00:13:31,559 Yeah, of course I would write in Trump we trust again. Look at 174 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:35,519 the people he was running against. They were all open borders. I mean, 175 00:13:35,519 --> 00:13:43,120 it was the same reason I supported Romney his self deportation versus Huckleberry, 176 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:48,320 who said illegal immigration is how we make up for slavery. New Gingrich, 177 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,000 who wanted to just let me say it like that. Though I don't think 178 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:54,240 he said it like that. That looks like that was a very good invitation. 179 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:58,799 Gingrich. Remember he wanted to let them all pour in and let towns 180 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,679 take well up town sols and have them vote on which illegals can stay. 181 00:14:03,519 --> 00:14:07,320 And this is just this has been a dividing line between the public and our 182 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:13,559 leaders and our elites forever. I knew immigration was the most important issue. 183 00:14:13,639 --> 00:14:18,559 It still is because Trump didn't do anything when I turned on Trump. You're 184 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:24,080 obviously not following me assiduously on Twitter pretty much right away. I mean, 185 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:30,399 at the time of the nomination, he started hiring you know, Jared Kushner 186 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,919 and the rest of them, and unlike Fox News, I don't lie. 187 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:39,240 I've been taking the slings and narrows for attacking him for not fulfilling his promises, 188 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:43,279 which one of them the White House. I said he wouldn't win if 189 00:14:43,279 --> 00:14:46,000 he didn't win re election, if he didn't build the wall, And guess 190 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,279 what, he didn't build the wall, and he didn't win re election. 191 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:54,440 So I'm still looking for a politician who will make those promises. The best 192 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,120 thing that could have happened to the country. Something else I've said a million 193 00:14:56,159 --> 00:15:01,480 times would have been if on election night two from sixteen, he comes out 194 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:05,279 at two am, Um, who we beat Hillary? Yay uh, he 195 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,600 won if he had had a heart attack and died right then, because that's 196 00:15:09,799 --> 00:15:13,879 all we ever got out of Trump. He had the best campaign of any 197 00:15:13,879 --> 00:15:18,240 presidential campaign I've ever seen, and then decided it was all about him, 198 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:24,519 it wasn't the issues, and started immediately betraying his bass um. All right, 199 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,960 So okay, so that that why he didn't do it. I mean, 200 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,200 I, you and I and you and I have have have but wildly 201 00:15:33,279 --> 00:15:39,240 and bizarrely found ourselves on the same side, and crowded dining in crowded dinner 202 00:15:39,279 --> 00:15:43,720 parties making it start every now and then I could see and looking around this 203 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:48,600 and cribbed table filled with like really smart people and say it's this guy I'm 204 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:52,159 agreeing with, Like, you know, the shadow of doubt comes over you. 205 00:15:52,759 --> 00:15:58,639 Um, why isn't immigration still an issue? I mean, no one's 206 00:15:58,639 --> 00:16:00,279 talking about it. Anybody talking about it. I haven't seen it. It's 207 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:06,120 it's it's cultural issues, it's the woke, this woke that it no one's 208 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:11,559 talking about immigration. Well, I sort of despair of my party and the 209 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,799 country and thus the world. Um, I don't know we I mean people 210 00:16:15,799 --> 00:16:19,279 have said it forever. Democrats are the evil party, Republicans are the stupid 211 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:23,799 party, and whoa mama are they fulfilling that right now? They want to 212 00:16:23,799 --> 00:16:26,039 talk about I mean, how do we win? We went on crime and 213 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:32,279 immigration, Crime and immigration, that is what people are desperate to vote on. 214 00:16:32,759 --> 00:16:37,000 And no our party is running off, I mean many of them running 215 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:41,320 off on conspiracy theories. And was the FBI really behind January sixth? Then 216 00:16:41,519 --> 00:16:47,200 Big Farma and Bill Gates is inserting us with with with with with clip with 217 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,600 chips And now they've been played. As I wrote a couple of weeks ago, 218 00:16:49,639 --> 00:16:53,840 the Democrats only hope for getting Biden reelected and they are going to have 219 00:16:53,919 --> 00:17:00,639 to do the weekend of Bernie's thing is to maneuver Republicans into renominating Donald Trump, 220 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:04,640 who has now lost re election cycles in a row for US. So 221 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:08,920 what do they do Exactly what they did throughout his term in office, which 222 00:17:10,279 --> 00:17:14,960 was the thesis of my book, Resistance is Futile. Instead of attacking Trump 223 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:19,440 for stuff he's actually done, they attack him on these utterly nonsense charges, 224 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:26,440 and they drive people who hate him, like me, into defending him and 225 00:17:26,759 --> 00:17:30,240 seeing, no, he's a douche, but he's not a Russian agent. 226 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:36,200 Knock it off media, And so they launched this ridiculous and it is ridiculous, 227 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:44,440 the da Alvin Braggs indictment of Donald Trump. And man did they play 228 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:48,119 the conservative media. I don't know if you guys listen to conservative talk radio 229 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:52,279 and away we're lucky that am is being removed from all cars Right now, 230 00:17:52,960 --> 00:18:00,279 Buck and Clay talk about nothing but Emperor God Donald Trump and oh my gosh, 231 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,599 she's so great. And did you see the Republicans last week? They 232 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,839 all or maybe this week, whenever they hold a hearing attacking Alvin Brag, 233 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:11,240 I mean, the entire Republican party is now in a all they will talk 234 00:18:11,279 --> 00:18:15,880 about is we must save Trump? Tucker is interviewing him. Oh, he's 235 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,519 back on top at Fox. So yeah, Okay, Republicans, I thought 236 00:18:19,559 --> 00:18:25,240 next year was going to be a blast. We'd have Governor Ron De Santis 237 00:18:25,279 --> 00:18:29,880 running against this senile dementia patient. Things would be fun. Finally we start 238 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,319 to win again. It's been a long time since we've won. Nope, 239 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,440 Nope, my party has decided we are pedals to the medal for a fourth 240 00:18:37,519 --> 00:18:41,839 loss. Okay, An, you're advising Ron De Santis? Do you say 241 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:45,799 do you say what some people are blogging already? It's just not your year. 242 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:51,799 You're young, You're too talented to destroy yourself flinging yourself at Donald Trump. 243 00:18:52,319 --> 00:18:55,920 Just sit this one out, or do you say what? Do you 244 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:57,359 say? I mean the art The counter argument is there was a pull the 245 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:03,720 other day that showed in a head to head match matchup in I think it 246 00:19:03,799 --> 00:19:07,880 was three of the state with Arizona, Georgia, and one other of the 247 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:11,319 so called battlegrounds, not Pennsylvan Maybe he was North Carolina. In any event, 248 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:15,200 Trump was trailing Biden in all three states, and DeSantis was up on 249 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:21,920 Biden in all three states. There's a funny way in which DeSantis has not 250 00:19:22,039 --> 00:19:26,599 uttered one. He has not uttered the T word once. He's still holding 251 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,279 his fire and he's still in double I mean, there's a certain sense in 252 00:19:30,319 --> 00:19:36,920 which he's still in a strong position, but it's hard to escape the feeling 253 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:41,759 that he needs to do something. Fire a gun, run up a flag, 254 00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:45,119 let your people know that you're still in the fights. Okay, all 255 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:51,200 I'm doing is displaying exasperation. What would you tell him? I totally disagree 256 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:55,319 with your analysis. This was the santas Is to lose. He was doing 257 00:19:55,359 --> 00:20:00,359 everything right, ignoring Trump, pushing through really fantastic stuff, lord, and 258 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,319 just one thing, win after win after win. He was way ahead of 259 00:20:03,759 --> 00:20:08,039 anyone out there, except I suppose the President of Sweden on the reaction to 260 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,200 COVID, And you know a lot of us have put it in the back 261 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:15,960 of our minds, but no, a lot of kids were ruined, careers 262 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,920 were ruined. That is still a live, important issue. And he didn't 263 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,440 just you know, flip a coin and say, oh, keep the stayed 264 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:26,119 open. No, he was talking to um, you know, Rob's friend, 265 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:33,680 Jay Bakaria, my friend. Yeah, I lent him to rob by 266 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:38,079 the way By who paid a price for being right. Yeah, the whole 267 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,720 Great Barrington Declaration. Guys, he was listening to them. He did the 268 00:20:41,799 --> 00:20:45,920 right thing. Um, same thing on crime, same thing on Black Lives 269 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:51,640 Matter, and up until this week or was it last week? I called 270 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:56,359 and screamed at all of his campaign people. Boy, they must love to 271 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:00,680 see your caller id pop up. He was doing the exacts right thing on 272 00:21:00,799 --> 00:21:07,359 abortion until a week ago. And now he signed the Republican Assistant Suicide Acts. 273 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,839 So let's move on and try to find somebody else. No, seriously, 274 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,039 you're done with Ron de Santis. I think he cannot win. He 275 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:19,400 cannot win how many And by the way, Peter and Rob, I think 276 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:25,519 you both know I am a fanatical pro lifer. I have been writing and 277 00:21:25,599 --> 00:21:29,799 talking about this forever. It is because I want to save babies that I 278 00:21:29,799 --> 00:21:33,799 think it's better for Republicans to be elected than for Democrats to be elected. 279 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:41,559 We've had eleven elections since Dabbs and these hardcore anti abortion bills initiatives. Candidates, 280 00:21:41,839 --> 00:21:47,920 judges lose, lose, lose, lose, lose. What De Santis 281 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:53,880 did originally only allow abortion for the first fifteen weeks, beautiful perfect, So 282 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,880 what went wrong. Did he did he lose control of the of his own 283 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,920 legislature? How did that happen? How did they from fifteen to six? 284 00:22:00,599 --> 00:22:04,440 Who knows? He signed a six week back band. And I have been 285 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:11,599 in Florida for the past week and going out quite a bit with different kinds 286 00:22:11,599 --> 00:22:15,160 of people, not just idiot donors, but some idiot donor And I don't 287 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:21,680 even bring it up. Every place I go, everyone is saying, he's 288 00:22:21,759 --> 00:22:26,160 done. Why did he do this? Why did he do this? So? 289 00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:30,240 What was he supposed to do? Because he won the election so well 290 00:22:30,599 --> 00:22:36,480 nineteen points, swept in all sorts of people all across the state, put 291 00:22:36,519 --> 00:22:41,960 supermajorities in both the Senate and the House in the state. He couldn't veto 292 00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:45,839 the bil City. Well for one thing, he's kind of powerful. What 293 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,799 he should have done is call up the Republicans and say, knock this crap 294 00:22:48,839 --> 00:22:52,920 off. But if you don't have the foresight to do that. Wow. 295 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,200 He has foresight with hurricanes, he has foresight with tornado, he has foresight 296 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,839 with COVID, he has foresight with BLM. But this, oh huh, 297 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,839 that's just appeared out of nowhere. I guess I got to sign it but 298 00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:07,240 yes, if it comes to that, and you're not anticipating anything that's going 299 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:11,640 on in the Florida legislature, Oh my gosh, where did this come from? 300 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,119 Yeah, you're vetoing. Oh, yes, you vetoing. You say 301 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,400 the public isn't there yet. We're gonna do this incrementally. We're gonna do 302 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:23,240 it bit by bit. I'm pro life, I would say, because I 303 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,519 am. We try to talk people out of it. I mean, I 304 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,319 did a video on this on my sub stack too, videos in fact, 305 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,279 about how abortion was killing us. And I think, unlike a lot of 306 00:23:34,319 --> 00:23:37,039 other people saying this, I don't know if it's all of them. Again, 307 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,559 I am a genuinely pro life person. I always have been, I 308 00:23:41,599 --> 00:23:48,920 always will be. These are zealots who don't care about saving babies lives. 309 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,319 Oh and by the way, don't care about saving adults lives. Because once 310 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,519 we have huge democratic majorities in the House, in the Senate, and the 311 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:02,240 presidency, well, good keeping your guns. Oh, we're totally going to 312 00:24:02,279 --> 00:24:04,440 get We're going to get the most heinous legislation. This is going to be 313 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,319 worse than the postwater Gate Congress. If Republicans, if the zealots keep this 314 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,400 crap up. So more babies will die, more adults will die, but 315 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:17,519 you'll have these zealots will be so proud of their right up in Catholic Sites 316 00:24:17,599 --> 00:24:22,279 magazine. So, Anne, I have some really bad news for you. 317 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,759 I think we agree. I mean I don't. I would, I would, 318 00:24:26,839 --> 00:24:30,599 I would put it nicer. But I've talked about how the you know, 319 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,559 the argument about the anti rhino movement in the Republican Party is a disaster, 320 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,000 that the rub Party needs more rhinos. Well, I don't think this 321 00:24:37,079 --> 00:24:41,920 is the rhino position. So I'm sorry, I disagree with you on that. 322 00:24:41,079 --> 00:24:48,440 Good I'm trying to figure out how he gets out of this because okay, 323 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,759 but isn't this early common. It's like, what is this like? 324 00:24:51,799 --> 00:24:56,079 It's like a it's it's it's April. I'm hoping that but unless he takes 325 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:02,240 this back, I think there's a very very good chance he loses the general 326 00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:04,079 against Biden. And I would. I mean, I have all these steak 327 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,480 bets all over town, but the nominee isn't going to be Trump. I 328 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,599 didn't specifically say it would be to Santis, but I have really been looking 329 00:25:11,599 --> 00:25:15,359 forward to next year having de Santis. You know, smart and energetic, 330 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,240 and all these wins having him run against Biden, and now the presidential election 331 00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:25,400 will be all about abortion. And like every other election we have had since 332 00:25:25,519 --> 00:25:30,160 Dobbs, everyone everyone, Kansas, New Hampshire, Michigan, not just you 333 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:36,359 know, crazy states like New York and California. Apparently I don't care what 334 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,160 people say in polls when they go into the privacy of the voting booth, 335 00:25:40,599 --> 00:25:45,720 and I think I know why they say this. They decide, Okay, 336 00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:48,640 I would never have an abortion. I would advise everyone around me not to 337 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,440 have an abortion. I do think this is a life, but I don't 338 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,079 want to to prohibit other people from doing it. And if I could just 339 00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:02,599 say one other thing about that, the stupid rhyme line or Democrat line technically 340 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:07,759 about I'm personally opposed to abortion, but I don't think the government, Okay, 341 00:26:07,759 --> 00:26:11,599 that's stupid when it's a constitutional right. We won pro lifers. It 342 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,960 is a hideous thing that for this long the right to stick a fork in 343 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:21,559 a baby's head was enshrined in our constitution. According to the Supreme Court, 344 00:26:21,759 --> 00:26:25,759 it was hideous to get something attached to the constitution. It really should be 345 00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:29,960 a basic, fundamental right, we won on that, But when it comes 346 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,200 to state laws, I think it actually does make some sense. And I 347 00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:37,599 mean, I'm just trying to explain why people in polls stay they're against abortion 348 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,559 written when they hopefully say, oops, don't want to end it. I 349 00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:45,599 think it does make some sense to say I'm personally opposed, but six weeks 350 00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:49,440 is too sure. That's basically banning abortion from conception, which I'm not against. 351 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,880 Oh and I came up with the compromise proposal, So don't think I'm 352 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,119 not constantly working on these things. You're a problem solver. Yeah, I'm 353 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,960 a problem solver, and that is I think we need laws that ban abortion 354 00:27:02,079 --> 00:27:07,279 only for registered Republicans. So how does he take it back? I mean, 355 00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:10,839 you said take it back. And if he doesn't and can't take it 356 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,240 back, who who'd you get? Because you know, Brian Kempt signed a 357 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,559 six week abortion ban, Greg Abbott signed a six week abortion ban. Mike 358 00:27:17,599 --> 00:27:22,079 Dwine, he's a presidential candidate, signed a six week abortion ban. I 359 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,839 mean, Glenn Junkin is that the sort of person tho none of those are 360 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,359 presidential candidates. How he could take it back, which I consider the more 361 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,960 important thing. I think he'd he'd wait a few months, go back to 362 00:27:34,039 --> 00:27:38,240 the morons in the Florida legislature and just say we think this is unworkable, 363 00:27:40,279 --> 00:27:42,759 you know, attach some other stuff to it, like I think they already 364 00:27:42,759 --> 00:27:45,720 have, you know, encouragement for adoption, which is great. Eight I'm 365 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,240 all four of that. But take it back and go back to I don't 366 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,720 know, twelve weeks, ten weeks. It can't. We will lose on 367 00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:56,640 that, and you know Democrats will run on that. And who are my 368 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:02,279 backup choices? I have two of them. One I'd like to ask you 369 00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:07,559 guys about because there's one thing that's a gaping hole in this idea, and 370 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,839 that is yes, the governor of Virginia, Glenn Yonkin and the Governor of 371 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,000 Montana, greg Ganforte. Those are my only two backups. Everyone else you 372 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,799 mentioned was ridiculous and would never be a candidate anyway. Wait, wait, 373 00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:23,119 wait, hold on, just one elaborate on that a little bit. Greg 374 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,119 Abbott, I can see, is too Texan. He's not going to travel. 375 00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:30,839 But Brian Kemp, I've not met him. I don't know the man. 376 00:28:30,079 --> 00:28:33,960 And you're just shaking your head as though I'm saying I'm talking crazy talk. 377 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,359 Why is it crazy talk? George is a big complicated states he stood 378 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,920 up. He has there's no Trump fingerprint on the man anywhere in his record, 379 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,640 and he got elected pretty big. Right. That's wrong with him exactly 380 00:28:45,759 --> 00:28:51,960 what he won on running against Trump as by man, that's the only thing 381 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,799 that's good about him. Georgia Republicans were trying to tell us, please just 382 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:02,119 send us a normal Republican take that away, and UM, no, he's 383 00:29:02,839 --> 00:29:06,559 well. I mean the reason I mentioned those people, I agree with you, 384 00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:07,759 they're not running. That was sort of what I was saying. So 385 00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:11,039 that's why I mentioned Glen young Kin because it seems to me that that's your 386 00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:14,559 choice, right, I mean, if it's not the Santis, that's your 387 00:29:14,599 --> 00:29:17,960 choice, and I think he's good, I'd be totally happy with Glen Junkiness 388 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,960 a nominee. The problem with him is, which I've seen because I've been 389 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,799 promoting him as to Santis as vice president until now. The problem with Junkin, 390 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,960 which shows up in all of my sub stack comments whatever I do a 391 00:29:32,079 --> 00:29:37,799 video promoting Junkin as my vice presidential choice is um which kind of annoys me. 392 00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:41,799 Is oh, Carlile Carlile oh, I'd never vote for somebody from Carlisle. 393 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,039 And I say to these people from one thing, look at what we 394 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:55,119 should. We should a very very powerful, connected private equity merchant what we 395 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,440 used to call merchant bank. And so there's going to be tons and tons 396 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,799 of really really horrible stuff. They're going to be able to dig up that 397 00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:04,799 Carlisle did that. What you're saying, well, back in the nineteenth century 398 00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:08,880 when they were still funding whaling ships, we called the merchant banks. Yes, 399 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:15,839 Rob, I'm referring to you guys on Well, first of all, 400 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,279 what do I say to people who, oh it was with Carla. I 401 00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:21,079 mean, just for the fact that someone is smart and went to Carlo, 402 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,680 I was like rejecting to Santras because he went to Harvard. Um, yes, 403 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,720 if if our candidate is in a black box and we know absolutely nothing 404 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,440 else about him, but he once worked at Carlisle. Totally with you, 405 00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:36,400 So do you feel do you feel other stuff? And he's done really great 406 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,000 stuff. But what I defer to you guy, and I haven't looked into 407 00:30:38,039 --> 00:30:42,160 this because I was just thinking of him as vice presidential candidate until last week. 408 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:48,240 Um, he wasn't involved in some buyouts. Now I mean, it 409 00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:52,759 depends what kind of buy out it was. So so you tell me when 410 00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:56,519 we went through this. You went through this in particular because you were very 411 00:30:56,279 --> 00:31:00,079 strongly in favor of Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney was at bank Cap, but 412 00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:03,960 On made two hundred million dollars. Glenn Youngkin went to Carlyle and made one 413 00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:07,599 hundred million. So there's some rough cut where the opposition ought to be about 414 00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:11,039 half as much to Youngcan as it was to Romney. But what was that 415 00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:15,039 fatal for Romney? Could he have overcome it? Because if Romney was able 416 00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:17,799 to overcome it, Youngkins should be able to as well. As far as 417 00:31:17,839 --> 00:31:19,880 I can tell, he's a terrific guy. He was what was he? 418 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,759 They had some kind of split leadership of Carlyle when he was running the place. 419 00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:30,640 There were co CEOs or something like that. I myself have some doubts 420 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:37,920 about the early days of Carlyle when it was filled with George hw Bush people 421 00:31:37,319 --> 00:31:41,920 and the Arabs were the first big investors. It was it looked a little 422 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:47,799 I would rather, But Glen Youngkin came along long after that, after Rubinstein 423 00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:52,400 had turned it into a big operation. Basically, I mean, the charge 424 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,960 is not that he's up to nefarious deals that I don't think that could stick 425 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,440 against him. Let them dig and dig and dig, as if the press 426 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,519 ever actually wanted to do any real reporting. Again, the charge is just 427 00:32:01,559 --> 00:32:05,240 that he's he's a white guy who's rich. It's the same, it's the 428 00:32:05,319 --> 00:32:10,039 Romney problem. Well I think it. Um No, No, I mean, 429 00:32:10,079 --> 00:32:14,720 I hope, I hope you you're that is correct. But it isn't 430 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,720 just that he's a white guy that rich, that's rich. It's Romney's problem. 431 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,119 And again I would still support him. He was the only he had 432 00:32:21,119 --> 00:32:24,240 the toughest position on immigration at the time, and our country is going, 433 00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:29,160 oh my gosh, you guys are in California. You know what happens to 434 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:35,319 the whole country with unrestricted immigration. So um with Romney. I mean, 435 00:32:35,359 --> 00:32:38,720 the most important fact everyone in politics should know. The Democrats who are know 436 00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:44,200 what Daniel shore Shore knows. That is, every single election is decided by 437 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,279 the white working class. Now, Yunken has a lot of pull with the 438 00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:51,440 white working class. How did he win that election in a purple state? 439 00:32:51,599 --> 00:32:58,000 Exactly ICs it was the white working class. He walked after the schools his 440 00:32:58,279 --> 00:33:00,720 first day in office. Look him, I'm on wikipe his first day in 441 00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:02,680 office, it was just executive order, executive order, no masks, no 442 00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:07,599 vaccine mandate, no CRT in the schools. So he's done a lot of 443 00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:09,559 great stuff and he does have that attraction to the white working class. So 444 00:33:09,599 --> 00:33:14,400 that's fantastic. What we need to know. What killed Romney, in my 445 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,359 opinion, wasn't just rich white guy. He also was kind of a Doric 446 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,119 sort of stiff. I don't think Glancin is that. No. I don't 447 00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:27,400 think so either, specifically that his deals laid off a lot of people, 448 00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:34,519 a lot of the white working class. So on the dessentist issue, I 449 00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:37,720 think that if you're right about the six week ban, and I'm not sure 450 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:43,519 you are, although I do accept it's a challenge, then he's dead and 451 00:33:43,599 --> 00:33:49,720 you need to give up on him, because the prospect of taking it back, 452 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:55,039 I think would be worse. He has a reputation as this fighter who 453 00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:59,759 doesn't back down, doesn't care. He's going to have to keep that reputation. 454 00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:02,880 He's going to beat Trump. Let alone be a presidential nominee. If 455 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,199 he goes back to the legislature and says change this to ten weeks. In 456 00:34:07,239 --> 00:34:12,360 the minds of the people who care about this, the difference between ten and 457 00:34:12,519 --> 00:34:15,199 six weeks, it's not good enough. Also, he's already signed six weeks 458 00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:20,199 fifteen. Maybe you stick with fifteen. I can see an argument, But 459 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,760 ten eight the legislature is not going to repeal the law take it back to 460 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:27,360 fifteen. So what you're saying, in effect, I think is he's done 461 00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:30,480 if you're right about the underlying question, which again I'm not sure you are, 462 00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:34,880 although I do think it's a challenge. No. Unfortunately, what I'm 463 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,440 seeing, if I were looking into my crystal ball, and I hope it 464 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,360 doesn't work this way, is yeah, he gets the nomination and then he 465 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:44,679 loses the general because of the abortion ban. I disagree that there is no 466 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,360 way for him or the legislature to take it back. No politician has, 467 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,599 no candidate has ever won an election on the grounds. I'm consistent. There's 468 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:59,679 nothing wrong with changing your mind. There are change circumstances. There is nothing 469 00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:02,679 wrong with gigging back a bad bill. I think it shows flexibility and compromise. 470 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,599 He's just got to understand that this is going to kill him, and 471 00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:09,239 I don't think he does. Okay, So I got two questions for you 472 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:15,480 one question easy, and I'm you know, there are only two candidates that 473 00:35:15,559 --> 00:35:20,079 I can tell right now in the Republican Party running as if they're running in 474 00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:28,119 a Republican primary meeting fits flying once Donald Trump, and the other is former 475 00:35:28,159 --> 00:35:36,440 New Jersey Governor Chris Christie. He's running. Yeah, well that's the lesson 476 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,719 and back to she's going to ask you to the question. Peter asked me 477 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:44,360 a couple of questions. Back, No, just santis can't wait. Chris 478 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:49,360 Christie is the example when your time is now, you better take it. 479 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,400 Because when he was running and I would have supported him, turns out would 480 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,360 have been a mistake because he was listening to the Wall Street Journal on immigration 481 00:35:57,559 --> 00:36:00,400 and many other things. But remember he was, you know, the Golden 482 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:07,039 Boy when he was when he was really going after the public sector unions in 483 00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:10,639 New Jury. That was brave, it was smart. It was a crucial 484 00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:15,880 issue. People I know called it in Hollywood called it Chris Christie porn. 485 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:19,960 They would begin meetings or sessions because they want to go on YouTube just to 486 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:24,280 watch him yell at teachers unions. UM. So my second second, much 487 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,920 is this right now? Um, if you're smart, you're di santists. 488 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,360 You're probably trying to pivot quickly to away from the stuff that you're not going 489 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:36,159 to win on and back to all the brilliant stuff you did and the trolling 490 00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:38,360 you did with immigration, which is he's doing an inherited speech I think right 491 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:45,360 today talking about sending illegals to Martha's vineyard. That's the first time that the 492 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:52,480 that anybody cared about illegal immigration on the left. Isn't it possible, just 493 00:36:52,599 --> 00:36:58,079 possible that when people go in to vote, they're not it's not gonna be 494 00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:00,119 an isolated in the general, I mean not isolated vote the way it is 495 00:37:00,159 --> 00:37:05,000 and you know, a ballot initiatives or judges or things like that in statewides. 496 00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:07,880 It's in general they're gonna on balance say, well, you know what, 497 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,199 he might build a wall, and he might get tough on crime, 498 00:37:09,519 --> 00:37:15,039 and I will live to fight abortion another day. Is that possible? Oh 499 00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:19,559 my gosh. I hope so, oh my god, because he is so 500 00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:23,639 perfect other than this, really really so fantastic. And by the way, 501 00:37:23,679 --> 00:37:27,719 he isn't just trolling on immigration, No, I agree, I mean you 502 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,079 know what I meant though, that was mentioned about him because his crime and 503 00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:34,480 immigration are the issues Republicans win on. Please keep talking about it and stop 504 00:37:34,519 --> 00:37:39,039 talking about abortion. Republicans um he when after winning re election getting a supermajority, 505 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:45,239 he introduced an amazing immigration series of proposals that he is going to push 506 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:50,679 through the legislature and standing up to donors on it, which is which is 507 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,360 quite brave. There are a lot of agricultural interests in Florida. It's huge 508 00:37:54,440 --> 00:38:00,119 ag stay um and needless to say, the like like the slave owners, 509 00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:05,840 they want their cheap labor. So it is a very powerful interest group to 510 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,480 stand up to. And yet and still you still pushing e verify across the 511 00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:15,760 state, all kinds of great ideas on checking not accepting driver's licenses from states 512 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:21,039 that give drivers licenses to illegal So it's just I mean a point point point 513 00:38:21,079 --> 00:38:24,199 point why he didn't force the Florida legislature to push that through. First, 514 00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:31,199 No, let's start with the Republican assistant Suicide Acts. And Charlie wants to 515 00:38:31,199 --> 00:38:36,119 come in with what I'm sure will be an extremely perceptive question that will frame 516 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,360 everything up and allow you to sum up everything you have to say. I 517 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:46,679 have a light question first, is does Santis likable? I think so? 518 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:51,239 I mean, I've met him, I met his people, I've seen him 519 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:59,480 speak. There's nothing creepy about them, which they're kind of was with Mitt 520 00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:00,880 Romney, he was just I mean, I liked Met Romney, but he 521 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,360 was a dork, and not everybody likes a dork. Um, what's his 522 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,519 name? Blake Arizona? Too much? Can I put the question another? 523 00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:10,039 And then I will shut up because it's Charlie. I'm sure Charlie will ask 524 00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:14,519 a brilliant question. So this puts things very, very crudely. But as 525 00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:16,559 you know extremely well, they're two basic ways of running for president. One 526 00:39:16,639 --> 00:39:20,880 is the Ronald Reagan approach. Vote for me, I'm one of you and 527 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,440 the others. The Mit Romney approach, also the Hillary Clinton approach. Vote 528 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:30,639 for me, I'm smarter than you. Where's the santis? Okay, I 529 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:35,440 reject that characterization of Romney, but um no, I mean it's the stuff 530 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:42,519 I think, especially right now, Americans are feeling so beaten down and losing, 531 00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:45,559 losing, losing, the transgender stuff, the CRT, the endless attacks 532 00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:52,000 on white people and white males and guns. To have this governor winning, 533 00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:54,480 winning, winning, When I've watched his speeches, it's funny um, and 534 00:39:54,519 --> 00:39:59,159 I think he can he can fix this. The parts of his Santis's speeches 535 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,519 I hate are beginning and the end, because that's when he does the bs 536 00:40:02,559 --> 00:40:08,119 like campaigns speak and we will never stop or I don't know, whatever the 537 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:15,239 nonsense cliches are. The second he gets onto policy, he's not only engaged, 538 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:16,559 but you just you could be, you know, trying to run an 539 00:40:16,639 --> 00:40:21,800 errand you have to sit on your bed and watch the speech because his wins 540 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,360 on policy and his thinking behind it, it's really interesting. It's really engaging, 541 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:30,599 and I mean, I think that's the the Glenn Youngan appeal. Give 542 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:36,199 Americans issues to vote on, and they'll vote on them. We just need 543 00:40:36,199 --> 00:40:42,280 our leaders and our conservative media Fox news talk radio to please stop talking about 544 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,840 the stupid stuff. Please please please stop. Yes, I leve in Florida 545 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:52,159 too, although I'm sure you're a lot more plugged in than I am, 546 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:57,159 and I am enjoyed, but go ahead, all right. Well, I 547 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,360 have enjoyed him as governor. I think he's been a terrific governor. A 548 00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:04,559 very small number of things I objected to, but in the grand scheme of 549 00:41:04,599 --> 00:41:13,199 things, they don't matter. Why do you think We're seeing Floridian congressman after 550 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:19,519 Floridian congressman endorsing Trump instead of the santiss I know the Scantist is not in 551 00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:23,800 the race, but Thomas Massey didn't care, Chiproy didn't care. Some people 552 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:29,360 have said this is because Decantists doesn't call him up himself. He doesn't rub 553 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,880 shoulders, he doesn't do that part of politics very well, whereas Trump will 554 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:36,039 call people on his cell phone and say, Hi, will you endorse me? 555 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:37,519 Do you need in a thing? I'm sorry to hear you broke your 556 00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:40,920 foot? I mean, is this a problem or is this media nonsense? 557 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:49,480 I think that's media nonsense. I mean, I do hate to insult other 558 00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:53,840 Republicans or elected Republicans at all, but I think if you look at the 559 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:59,840 list of Republicans who have endorsed Trump, they're they're the equivalent of R A 560 00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:05,400 O UM. They're They're not the ones you necessarily want endorsing. They are 561 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,079 kind of the crazy ones. Now. I like some of the stuff crazy 562 00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:15,000 people on our side do, um, but they aren't our impressive Republicans. 563 00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:17,760 Thomas Massey as our impressive Republican. Instantly, I just had a one hour 564 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:22,239 interview with him I put up on substack. Oh my gosh, that man 565 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:27,880 is great. Right, So that's somebody you like, and he's endorsed to 566 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:34,280 Sciantist and he's probably gonna be the next senator from Kentucky hopefully soon. All 567 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:38,320 right, so and um, uh we know you gotta go. Uh before 568 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:44,519 we go, substack, tell me about substack. Let's get a substack um 569 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,320 plug in here right now. Well, it's fantastic, And I mean, 570 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:53,599 you're a substack, substa and culture dot subsac dot com. And the reason 571 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:58,800 I went to it was because of all the censorship on Twitter. Um sub 572 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,599 stack. It's lots of fun on I put up columns, random thoughts, 573 00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:07,400 things that would be suppressed and shadow band on Twitter videos. I mean, 574 00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:13,360 the video with the Thomas Massey was fantastic. That was this week. I'd 575 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,760 do Heather McDonald a lot, Amy Wax, the most Dangerous woman in America. 576 00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:21,519 I did a couple with John Lott with guns being in the news. 577 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,760 I'm doing a few repeats because I realized right before I do the videos, 578 00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:29,639 I don't really just want to talk to somebody to talk to somebody. I 579 00:43:29,679 --> 00:43:31,559 want to talk to smart people and I don't care if I have to repeat 580 00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:37,679 myself, oh sometimes regularly with smart liberal Mickey couse. But if I could 581 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,920 just segue to one thing that's really driving me crazy, and I think people 582 00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:45,719 who even aren't on Twitter should care about it. And that is how Twitter 583 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:52,559 has gone from being the world's marketplace of ideas to utter censorship. We know 584 00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:57,360 what the old regime did, and Elon is, if anything, making it 585 00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:02,280 worse the removal of blue check marks, which the sole purpose of that was 586 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:07,679 to prove you really are Bob Dole, You really are Thomas Masse, you 587 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,400 really are the New York Police Department. You just pulled Bob Dole out for 588 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,679 Okay, called Rob Long. You're the one who got me my Twitter handle 589 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:20,519 because true there was a fake and culter on Twitter. Well you got it 590 00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:22,199 for me, got the blue check it. I'm very powerful. And by 591 00:44:22,199 --> 00:44:28,000 the way, approximately once a month there is a fake and culter that happens 592 00:44:28,039 --> 00:44:30,000 to come to my attention and I need to report that person. Okay, 593 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,679 so the old regime turned it into oh this is a reward for liberals. 594 00:44:34,679 --> 00:44:38,519 Okay, don't do that anymore. But let us be able to distinguish am 595 00:44:38,519 --> 00:44:45,239 I attacking AOC or AM I attacking some idiot right wing meme creator who's pretending 596 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,880 to be AOC, so that he's ruined. And the main thing I think 597 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:54,119 he's ruined. I mean, it's stupid to be driving liberals from off of 598 00:44:54,119 --> 00:44:57,599 Twitter. The whole point is we want to see them so we can tweak 599 00:44:57,639 --> 00:45:00,480 them. But the biggest way I think he's I don't think he's removed the 600 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:06,039 shadow banning. Um is that to show how um, there will be no 601 00:45:06,159 --> 00:45:09,440 shadow banning. We won't throw people off Twitter. He brings back on the 602 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:15,679 worst people, the Nazis, the Donald Trumps, the Alex jones Is. 603 00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:21,480 But you know smart right wingers who are saying uncomfortable truths. Um, oh 604 00:45:21,559 --> 00:45:24,480 say Jared Taylor. Nope, he's still banned. We're not going to let 605 00:45:24,519 --> 00:45:29,400 you hear from any smart people that are not safe for work. But whoa, 606 00:45:29,559 --> 00:45:32,039 we'll put the Nazis back on. Thanks Elon, Thanks, that's great, 607 00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:36,199 That's just what we wanted. Okay, So that was the question about 608 00:45:36,199 --> 00:45:39,480 substack. So we're going to make sure that's why everybody's going to substack, 609 00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:44,519 no censorship, no ads. It shows up in your inbox loads of fun. 610 00:45:45,039 --> 00:45:46,480 And I have a lot of terrific kind and you're having a lot of 611 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:51,280 fun with it. That's and that's some. I'm a substack, I'm an 612 00:45:51,159 --> 00:45:54,559 an colder sub subscriber, and thank you for joining us. 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So 644 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,159 I got to ask, first of all, welcome, thanks for joining us. 645 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:14,920 Thank you for having me seven hundred eighty seven million dollars to settle a 646 00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:25,199 very what looked like a lawsuit that was going against Fox Although who knows is 647 00:48:25,199 --> 00:48:30,400 there anything you can take away from this other than people will pay a lot 648 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:37,159 of money to not take the stand. We live in a corporate age, 649 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:42,400 so there was a time when you would have seen Fox be pro First Amendment 650 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,119 where journalists, we're going to fight this. We're not going to have anybody 651 00:48:45,159 --> 00:48:47,480 tell us that we can't do our jobs, which is what this lawsuit is 652 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:52,119 all about. The dominion is going after Fox News for reporting on the election. 653 00:48:52,639 --> 00:48:57,880 Were there people on Fox News had said things that were ridiculous? Absolutely, 654 00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,039 and dominions free to say them and they are seeing them. But going 655 00:49:01,079 --> 00:49:06,039 after Fox News, that's just that's going after the money, right, and 656 00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:08,880 it's going after the headlines, and it makes Dominion not look like a bunch 657 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:13,039 of greedy people asking for a lot more money than they're worth, but as 658 00:49:13,079 --> 00:49:19,840 if they're they're champions for something. And unfortunately the news media are just incredibly 659 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,000 bad and they're reporting on this. You don't really see the other side. 660 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:30,119 You can read long stories about this case and everybody is dumping on Fox News 661 00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:36,960 and nobody's question in this lawsuit. It's really upsetting. And you know Rupert 662 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,960 Murdoch, well, he's used to paying off people in lawsuits, right, 663 00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:44,199 so I guess it's no big for him. But this is not a good 664 00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,639 thing for journalism, and I wish more people understood that. So the pushback 665 00:49:47,639 --> 00:49:52,840 on that I know Peter wants get is that they were reckless, that they 666 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:57,559 that as a corporate policy, they knew that this was false and they went 667 00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:00,079 ahead. They didn't just say the election of stolen, because of course there's 668 00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:04,159 no victim there if that's the case. They said that this company, these 669 00:50:04,199 --> 00:50:08,480 two companies Smart Manic and Dominion, stole it so and they knew that that 670 00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:14,280 wasn't true. So what what punishment, if any should that should the organization 671 00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:19,679 suffer? Well, there were people who said that on Fox News, but 672 00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:24,000 most of Fox News reporting was Joe Biden won. So there, I mean, 673 00:50:24,039 --> 00:50:28,480 you can find that there were all people who said that, so can 674 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:34,960 I. As usual the mirror within the first sentence you speak, I find 675 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,400 myself swooning and in love with you all over again. But let me just 676 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:42,679 menas careful, sell close the door. I don't want to or over here, 677 00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,639 so I want to Here's I haven't studied this, I haven't followed it 678 00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:52,679 closely. You have. Isn't it? Isn't it? Roughly speaking? The 679 00:50:52,760 --> 00:51:01,400 case shouldn't It shouldn't matter if Tucker Carlson in a private email says Rudy Giuliani 680 00:51:01,559 --> 00:51:07,760 is nuts and Sidney Powell is lying through her teeth. The fact that Rudy 681 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,320 Giuliani and Sydney Powell, both of whom were close to a former president of 682 00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:15,159 the United States who was contesting the results of the election. The fact that 683 00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:20,079 those people claimed it may have been a crazy claim we now know it was 684 00:51:20,119 --> 00:51:24,559 a crazy claim, but that they claimed that the company responsible for some voting 685 00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:31,880 machines was in on an elaborate that was news. Yes, that wasn't That 686 00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:37,400 wasn't some sort of conspiracy to do down dominion or overturn the reason, or 687 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:43,480 even simply to throw red meat to the audience. That was news. If 688 00:51:43,519 --> 00:51:47,519 it's if you can sue Fox News for putting on Rudy Giuliani, you ought 689 00:51:47,559 --> 00:51:53,599 to be able to sue CNN for putting on Jim Comey. They can, 690 00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:59,000 they can Sueciate, and they can, and now they can. Isn't that? 691 00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:04,280 I mean it would be a completely different matter if Sean Hannity, Well, 692 00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,360 maybe Sean Hannity did so. I guess what I'm saying is I'm not 693 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:13,800 sure that there's a Yes. It's tremendously embarrassing, and everybody's chortling and chuckling 694 00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,280 and have a wild, impish glee that Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingram and Sean 695 00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:22,239 Hannity are exchanging emails saying these people are idiots, they're fools. Donald Trump, 696 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,639 I can't stand Donald Trump while they go on the air and pretend to 697 00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:30,440 take these people seriously. I understand that that's embarrassing, but the distinction would 698 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:37,679 be between reporting news and trying to push a narrative themselves. And I don't 699 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,199 see this is my memory. I don't. I don't see that Fox News 700 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:45,960 championed any particular narrative. They were reporting news and there were crazy people in 701 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:50,199 the news at that time. Am I right in my general understanding? Am 702 00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,199 I missing something? You're completely right? And let me just just you were 703 00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:59,000 talking about what Tucker Carlson's text to his producer Alex Fiefer. That's right, 704 00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:04,280 Okay, So that has nothing to do with this lawsuit. It's just to 705 00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:08,599 embarrass Fox News. I mean, if you read this one hundred plus whatever, 706 00:53:08,599 --> 00:53:15,719 it is a statement that the dominion put out. It's crack for journalists 707 00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:21,360 there, it is. They're just giving them everything they want. They're embarrassing 708 00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,840 Fox News, They're embarrassing the Fox talent. But it has nothing to do 709 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:30,199 with this defamatory lawsuit, right, It's just they're just trying to I mean, 710 00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:37,480 the fixation that other networks and major newspapers have with Fox News is unholy 711 00:53:38,119 --> 00:53:49,039 and this is the spawn of that unholyness. Charlie, So I am, 712 00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:53,840 as you all know, a big First Amendment guy. Explain to me why 713 00:53:53,880 --> 00:54:00,000 this doesn't fit neatly within our existing libel laws, the libel laws in England 714 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:05,280 and our a disgrace because they essentially look only to the veracity of a statement 715 00:54:05,519 --> 00:54:08,840 and they don't consider anything else. The libel laws in the United States add 716 00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:13,039 some steps. They say, you have to know what you're saying is false, 717 00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,440 and in the case of a newspaper or a broadcaster, you have to 718 00:54:16,599 --> 00:54:21,239 know what it is that you're publishing or echoing or platforming is false, and 719 00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:27,880 you have to do it to damage the target. Is there not an argument 720 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:34,199 that both of those conditions were met here? Fox knew that what they were 721 00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:39,599 platforming and echoing and broadcasting and promogating was false. They knew that, and 722 00:54:39,639 --> 00:54:43,199 then they did it. Why did they do it? Because they wanted to 723 00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:47,079 appeal to their audience and take back market share from Newsmax. I why am 724 00:54:47,079 --> 00:54:52,880 I wrong? Okay, Well, for one thing, Ben Smith has a 725 00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,639 piece in The Atlantic today about Russia Gate and how yes it was a total 726 00:54:55,800 --> 00:55:00,480 fraud and yes it was a problem, but he'd do it again anyway. 727 00:55:00,679 --> 00:55:05,800 If somebody handed him the dossier he would print he would he would print it 728 00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,039 again, but with different caveats. Right, And this was a bogus story. 729 00:55:09,519 --> 00:55:17,960 But nobody sued BuzzFeed for this, and nobody did it because it is 730 00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:22,679 Ben Smith argued in his pies today, Hey, this dossier was news. 731 00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:24,360 Everybody knew about it. Now I didn't know about it. I don't know 732 00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:29,480 if you guys knew about it in October. I mean before he didn't know. 733 00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,119 Yeah, that's right in California. I didn't know that. So he 734 00:55:31,159 --> 00:55:35,079 acts so that this was something that everybody knew about. So we had this 735 00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,280 um that he had to do it. But I don't have a problem with 736 00:55:40,519 --> 00:55:45,679 dominion suing certain people for saying certain things. Who are Fox people? I 737 00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:50,159 mean I think there could be a case from Maria bardar Romo or Janine Pierro, 738 00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:55,920 But Fox News network that they were they were covering news stories and they 739 00:55:55,960 --> 00:56:00,719 had and they had Sidney Paulan, so did other networks. They broadcast things 740 00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:07,039 that Sidney Powell said that we're very questionable. So the idea they're just picking 741 00:56:07,079 --> 00:56:09,880 on one network and we all know why. It's where the big pockets are 742 00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:15,719 in everybody in the media will be rooting for you if you go after Fox 743 00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:19,119 News. Yeah. But there's a couple of problems with that. The first 744 00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:24,280 is that if people had sued BuzzFeed News under American law, they'd have had 745 00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:28,119 a case of what you're saying is correct, the fact that they didn't doesn't 746 00:56:28,199 --> 00:56:35,639 change that. The second is that Fox did not invite a random guest on 747 00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:43,159 and then jump in horror when he or she said these things. It was 748 00:56:43,199 --> 00:56:46,320 not like Twitter, where we have Section two thirty in place, because they 749 00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:50,199 don't know what I could tweet in ten seconds, they don't pre review it. 750 00:56:50,679 --> 00:56:55,480 They knew over a period of time that they were broadcasting and in some 751 00:56:55,519 --> 00:57:04,039 cases, including in segments that were preapproved and pre written lies that we're based 752 00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:08,559 on factual claims that were false. I think you'll write about massive bias in 753 00:57:08,599 --> 00:57:12,199 the media. Of course you are, And you're right about the hypocrisy of 754 00:57:12,199 --> 00:57:15,119 the press, and you're right about all the people who should be upset about 755 00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:19,000 this but on't. And you're right that this works in one direction. But 756 00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:22,559 I'm not sure this is a violation of American libel law, is it? 757 00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,760 Well? I mean, I think the way this case would have worked out 758 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:30,440 if there wasn't a settlement is they would have won in the courtroom and lost 759 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:36,159 on appeal. Again, I'm sorry, they would have won in the court. 760 00:57:36,239 --> 00:57:37,920 They would have won in the courtroom and lost and lost on appeal. 761 00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:43,079 And again, there ares lawsuits to people who said things, But to go 762 00:57:43,159 --> 00:57:47,079 after a news network for reporting things that were said, that crosses a different 763 00:57:47,159 --> 00:57:54,239 line. So again, if if if if Domini wants to sue Maria Bardaromo 764 00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:59,719 Virginie Piero for things that they said, fine, But to go after this 765 00:58:00,159 --> 00:58:02,880 working I mean, if you read through this, uh, the document that 766 00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:07,079 they put out again, it's exceedingly embarrassing. I just don't know what the 767 00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:14,440 fact that that Tucker Carlson thought Sidney Paul was an idiot or nuts or something 768 00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,480 whatever, whatever the exact word was, I don't know what that has to 769 00:58:16,519 --> 00:58:22,039 do with this. Well, if somebody wrote an op head in The New 770 00:58:22,119 --> 00:58:25,039 York Times saying that I was a serial killer and then an editor published it 771 00:58:25,159 --> 00:58:30,960 and it was subsequently revealed that the editor knew that the piece was not true, 772 00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:35,159 that's the standard that we need to be met on the New York Times 773 00:58:35,199 --> 00:58:37,599 v. Sullivan. So that, I think is why it matters. Well, 774 00:58:37,639 --> 00:58:43,159 again, I would just say that we're in this um that when you 775 00:58:43,199 --> 00:58:46,559 look at what this lawsuit is about, the lawsuit is going after a network 776 00:58:46,599 --> 00:58:51,880 for having people on I mean, if you read the documents they're angry that 777 00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,880 they had people on who made arguments that they didn't like. It's And by 778 00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,840 the way, did dominion get hurt. No, Dominion's making more money than 779 00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,760 ever right, worth one point six billion dollars. No, it is not. 780 00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:07,960 So we all know that the financial basis of this is crazy. There's 781 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:13,920 no sign that dominion has been hurt. Now, I understand reputational damage, 782 00:59:14,119 --> 00:59:17,920 but dominions. Dominions going to come out okay with this. That doesn't mean 783 00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:22,360 it's okay for people to say false things. But most of the stuff we're 784 00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,920 talking about here, they're not talking about what was said about dominion. They're 785 00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:29,239 talking about what was said about the twenty twenty election, and that's a different 786 00:59:29,239 --> 00:59:35,199 thing. And they're really going after Fox News for for for what was said 787 00:59:35,239 --> 00:59:38,960 about the election. And they're going after people who on air said Biden one. 788 00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:44,960 So if they're saying over and over again Biden one, Trump lost, 789 00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:49,880 and then you can cherry pick a few sentences that say otherwise, a lot 790 00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,960 of people are in trouble, I can tell you, Or I would assume 791 00:59:52,239 --> 00:59:55,880 that if CNN were under the same kind of scrutiny and somebody got their hands 792 00:59:55,920 --> 01:00:00,440 on all of their internal documents that you'd find a lot of the thinks, 793 01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:04,360 people questioning stories. And again you have to go back to the dossier. 794 01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:08,039 People knew that was not a good story, and they put it out anyway, 795 01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:12,599 and that somehow that again not a basis for a lawsuit. Yeah, 796 01:00:12,639 --> 01:00:15,880 the idea that the standard, it seems to me there's an embryonic standard here, 797 01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:22,480 and that standard is that report that if you're in television news print maybe 798 01:00:22,599 --> 01:00:25,280 well print is dead anyway, So let's set that aside. If you're in 799 01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:29,639 television news, here's the new rule. You're not allowed to put a guest 800 01:00:29,639 --> 01:00:34,199 on unless you know that that guest is going to make claims that are verifiable. 801 01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,679 Well, that's that's just not the job to put it. One just 802 01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:44,440 a slightly different turn on it. When Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell appeared on 803 01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:49,840 Fox News making their crazy claims, they had an effect on me. I 804 01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:55,920 thought, Wow, the whole Trump organization has just lost. It was valuable 805 01:00:57,039 --> 01:01:01,280 information in a working democracy. If they had been suppressed, if they sorry, 806 01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:05,400 what Rudy's claiming is obviously untrue. We can't let him talk about that 807 01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,239 anymore. That would have created much more suspicion. I think, all right, 808 01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:13,559 so that it was, it had value. It was a totally defendable 809 01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:19,079 newsroom judgment to put Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell on. I don't know about 810 01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:22,239 Maria Bartiro. I guess that's a set where it would make sense to sue 811 01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,360 Maria Barti Roma. Okay, So here's my question to you, dep If 812 01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:29,800 I'm and I don't mean to lead the witness here, but if if you 813 01:01:30,079 --> 01:01:35,320 feel as I feel, that there's a kind of latent, new and unreasonable 814 01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:40,880 standard embedded in the result of this case, what does it mean for American 815 01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:45,000 journalism? What does it mean for television news? It's just the double standard. 816 01:01:45,039 --> 01:01:47,960 I mean, that's the thing about this again. You look at you 817 01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,320 look at the Hunter Biden laptop story. Now, this is a case where 818 01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:58,320 basically we had people like Mike Morrell going saying this is a false document and 819 01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:04,079 it was suppressed by the media because of this bogus accusation right about. I 820 01:02:04,119 --> 01:02:07,119 mean, basically, we know the laptop story was pretty true. The current 821 01:02:07,159 --> 01:02:10,960 and Secretary of State said it wasn't true. Yeah, what but and what 822 01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:15,199 do you do not report that? Can? I mean one of the things 823 01:02:15,239 --> 01:02:19,480 that the lawsuit makes really clear is we have to report what both sides are 824 01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,800 saying. Are we supposed to say that the President of the United States and 825 01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,159 his campaign, that we're supposed to censor them? I mean, we know 826 01:02:25,199 --> 01:02:30,559 how much how distrustful people are the media, what happens if they're not airing 827 01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:32,599 this, And and I think Fox did a pretty good job of explaining to 828 01:02:32,639 --> 01:02:37,280 people how that story worked. And you can cherry picks sometimes when they did 829 01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:42,119 things that were wrong and and they get reputational damage, except I actually think 830 01:02:42,159 --> 01:02:45,360 their audience wants that. I think they're people who want to be lied to. 831 01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:50,920 And that's another issue that the Fox really pretty much understood. That's what 832 01:02:51,119 --> 01:02:55,719 That's the one thing that those texts that came out during Discovery reveal was that 833 01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,239 people who were running the shows, of the stars of these shows knew that 834 01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:05,800 it was false, but they also knew that the audience wasn't going to And 835 01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,800 that's the one thing under American libel lawyer you're not allowed to do. It's 836 01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:12,840 not that you have to know that everyone you put on air is going to 837 01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,480 tell the truth, is that you can't put people on the air if you 838 01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:19,320 know for a fact that they're going to lie with your blessing. Okay, 839 01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,079 is that what this lawson is about? Because I could swear when I was 840 01:03:22,119 --> 01:03:27,840 watching election coverage that they said Joe Biden won and that they did not buy 841 01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,280 into all these phony claims. Did they air them? Did they have people 842 01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:35,800 who said that, Yes, but they were not doing stories about they weren't. 843 01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,559 Fox News was not putting out stories saying that dominion was wrong. The 844 01:03:40,519 --> 01:03:45,599 dominion was this problem. You have random people who say that, not all 845 01:03:45,679 --> 01:03:50,079 random, But what are they supposed to do? They supposed to We just 846 01:03:50,119 --> 01:03:52,840 saw this, we're seeing it right now with the laptop story, where people 847 01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:57,639 decide that they have to squelch something because they've decided it's not true instead of 848 01:03:57,719 --> 01:04:00,880 letting be aired out in public and people make up their own minds. That's 849 01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,679 what I thought we did, That's what I thought the news was about. 850 01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:08,559 And this lawsuit is trying to tell people, no, you can't do that. 851 01:04:08,599 --> 01:04:10,320 So where does this go? We know where it goes. There's a 852 01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:14,719 double standard. We know we know that the left can do whatever they want 853 01:04:15,159 --> 01:04:18,719 and break all the standards that you're talking about. We know that that New 854 01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:23,400 York Times Washington Posting, and they can all break all that and nobody cares. 855 01:04:23,639 --> 01:04:26,800 And there's only going to be one place that's going to pay for and 856 01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:31,320 that's Fox News. Yead, thank you for joining us. Than before you 857 01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,679 go, I want to make sure everybody knows that you're a limited series podcast 858 01:04:34,719 --> 01:04:40,239 series with us covering Trump. It's there. It's great, like a lot 859 01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:45,559 of good old a lot of good worst stories. And um my guess is 860 01:04:45,599 --> 01:04:47,400 that you we might be able to convince you to do another one coming up 861 01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:53,039 for twenty twenty four. I would love to twist my arm. Please, 862 01:04:53,079 --> 01:04:56,519 I'll twist Jarmed some more. Thanks, thanks for joining us, Thank you, 863 01:04:56,719 --> 01:04:59,360 thank you all. I still miss you here in California. Oh I 864 01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:03,719 miss you and I missed that room. That is Stanford, right, this 865 01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,159 Stanford? No, that's Dartmouth. No, no, this is an East 866 01:05:06,159 --> 01:05:09,719 Coast room. There's nothing like Oh, it's just a backing though. He's 867 01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,440 it's fake. It's it's fake. I mean the spare bedroom. There's it's 868 01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:16,559 a fanteken. There's a dog behind me in reality scene. Yes, okay, 869 01:05:16,599 --> 01:05:21,119 tell we was to stop sending me torturing, to stop torturing texts about 870 01:05:21,119 --> 01:05:26,079 how lovely it is in Virginia. Okay, I shall do that. He's 871 01:05:26,119 --> 01:05:29,320 my tech guy. He's sitting right there. Okay, was knock it off. 872 01:05:29,639 --> 01:05:31,760 Okay, but he can't hear because I have. That's good. Thank 873 01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:34,679 you for having me, Thanks for coming to soon. 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Um wow, 899 01:07:24,039 --> 01:07:26,880 we actually this is a this is a substant podcast. I think we delivered 900 01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:30,920 value. I really do think we delivered some value. Um before we go. 901 01:07:30,199 --> 01:07:32,480 Are you sure? Are you telling the truth? I am? I 902 01:07:32,719 --> 01:07:36,599 really think that. I do really think that, um, Because if we 903 01:07:36,639 --> 01:07:42,480 haven't discussed it before, I had the cook standard, it's not the cook 904 01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:45,920 standard. The reason I've got there is the name of this view, though, 905 01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:53,400 is why I absolutely agree with Dad that this is unjustly meet it out. 906 01:07:54,239 --> 01:07:58,039 I think it was wrong. For example, that Sarah Palin lost her 907 01:07:58,039 --> 01:08:03,360 case against The New York Times, which knew when it published the lie once 908 01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:08,480 again that she remind us of the facts of the case. Well quickly, 909 01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:15,000 there was a crazy guy who murdered a bunch of people and shot a congresswoman, 910 01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:19,840 Gabby Giffords. And this back in twenty eleven was inexplicably and disgracefully blamed 911 01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:25,199 on Sarah Palin because on her campaign website she had a target. Of course, 912 01:08:25,199 --> 01:08:28,319 we use Marshall language in politics all the time. We called him campaigns 913 01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:31,000 for goodness sake, she got blamed for this. This is outrageous. It 914 01:08:31,119 --> 01:08:33,960 turned out that the guy who did this, I won't name him as I 915 01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:39,159 don't name mass shooters. The guy who did this had no connection to Sarah 916 01:08:39,199 --> 01:08:42,159 Palin. I'd never looked at Sarah Palin's website. It was in no way 917 01:08:42,199 --> 01:08:46,359 inspired by Sarah Palin. Now, when The Times originally blamed this on Sarah 918 01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:50,039 Palin, it was protected under the First Amendment, But after it had become 919 01:08:50,079 --> 01:08:57,520 abundantly clear and published a retraction, it knew And yet once again I forget 920 01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:00,199 to hear it was it repeated the line. It just included it like one 921 01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:04,159 of those things that just iterate over to Sarah Palin who did this, and 922 01:09:04,279 --> 01:09:10,119 she sued them. Now, I agree with deb it's outrageous that Fox got 923 01:09:10,159 --> 01:09:14,840 this settlement. Although they did settled, it wasn't actually litigated, and in 924 01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,439 court Sarah Palin lost. But what I'm saying, as someone who is a 925 01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:21,319 big free speech guidants very expansive libel laws, is that I think that is 926 01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:27,600 a good threshold for libel. When you knowingly print a lie determined to hurt 927 01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:31,359 someone's reputation, then yeah, that actually is a good standard for libel. 928 01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:33,920 And Sarah Palin should have got justice in that case. She didn't, And 929 01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:42,239 I'm not convinced that Fox is innocent under our libel laws. Ten second rebuttal. 930 01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:47,199 The ten second rebuttal would be, I agree with deb that it may 931 01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:51,640 make sense. I haven't read through all the reporting on the case, but 932 01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:56,199 it may very well make sense under the cook standard that you just outlined, 933 01:09:56,520 --> 01:10:01,399 also known as the first Amendment, for dominion to have gone after Maria bard 934 01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:06,479 Romo, possibly also one or two other figures, but not for Fox not 935 01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:11,079 to go after Fox News as distinct from The New York Times, which repeated 936 01:10:11,119 --> 01:10:15,720 the law in an editorial, yes, which is formally understood to speak four 937 01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:19,439 the New York Times. That's quite different. Quite it's not different under the 938 01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:24,960 law. Though, if the New York Times accepts the piece well, no, 939 01:10:25,119 --> 01:10:27,640 I mean, I'm well law. It might be an art, but 940 01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,199 it's also the law. And if the New York Times accepts an opad written 941 01:10:30,199 --> 01:10:33,560 by Rob Long and Peter Robinson accusing me of all sorts of things that I 942 01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:39,800 didn't do, and it knows when it publishes it that you two are not 943 01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:43,840 telling the truth, then it is susceptible to be for a lot of times, 944 01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,439 if the New York Times reports in a news story that Rob Long and 945 01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:51,199 Peter Robinson are claiming all kinds of mad things about Charlie Cook, which the 946 01:10:51,319 --> 01:10:57,520 reporter knows to be untrue. It's still news that's correct, and that's why 947 01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:01,680 people say allegedly all the time. So that's why I am drawing the distinction. 948 01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:03,960 All right, that will never happen. And here's why, because The 949 01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,840 New York Times pays about two hundred and seventy five dollars for that kind of 950 01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:11,319 op ed and that's just not enough to get me, Peter does. I 951 01:11:11,359 --> 01:11:14,439 wouldn't even I wouldn't even gin up some lies about Charlie Cook for two hundred 952 01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:16,359 dollars, So it would have to be more. But Maria about Drama has 953 01:11:16,359 --> 01:11:20,000 a show on Fox that is produced. People sit around a table, they 954 01:11:20,039 --> 01:11:23,720 work out what's going to be said. They figured into a tele prompted, 955 01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:28,880 they put the camera in position, and their platform it and under current libel 956 01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:32,319 law, which is fairly liberal in a good sense in the world, that 957 01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:38,119 includes that is included. You know, that's that's so much. Well, 958 01:11:38,159 --> 01:11:40,600 all right, if we're going to go at this, do you remember exactly 959 01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:45,800 what Maria Bardi Romo said? No? Okay, So the distinction I'm trying 960 01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:53,159 to draw is between reporting something that even very loosely counts as news and instead 961 01:11:54,239 --> 01:12:00,880 asserting something as in the with it in one's own person, so to speak. 962 01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,359 Right, if Maria barda Roma says today, Rudy Julian it was at 963 01:12:03,119 --> 01:12:08,560 again, that's one thing. If she says, of course, okay, 964 01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,680 that's all that that distinction strikes me as important and I'm just not sure where 965 01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,520 it fell in this case, well we are not going to solve that now. 966 01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:15,880 No, But if Charlie and I would like to go at this for 967 01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:18,800 at least another here's where you can go at this. You can go at 968 01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:23,560 this in person in the Twin Cities on April twenty second and still Water, 969 01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:27,560 so still Water meet up for Ricochet. There you can. There's another Winston 970 01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:30,760 Salem meet up that Randy set up again, which is Randy's MVP of meetups 971 01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:35,039 in Winston Salem. Mid July, Matt Ballzer is asking for RSVPs for the 972 01:12:35,079 --> 01:12:39,399 annual German Fest meet up in Milwaukee. So that's the last week in July. 973 01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:42,199 That's gonna be fun. All of these meetups are available to you if 974 01:12:42,239 --> 01:12:45,079 you're a member of Ricochet, and if they don't work for some reason and 975 01:12:45,119 --> 01:12:47,520 you're not a member. Here's what you do. You just join and then 976 01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:51,439 you announce on the member page, Hey how about a meet up here or 977 01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:55,680 there or somewhere, and you will get people to show up. That's the 978 01:12:55,680 --> 01:13:00,479 one thing that members of Ricochet. They show up a lot of other stuff 979 01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:03,439 going on, but I think you know this. We've we've we've hit the 980 01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:08,239 two big issues. We've done enough. 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