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Erica. It's another summer, which
means it's time for us to read a

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book. Did you read another book? The last book I read was the

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last book we talked about on this
podcast talking about a book today, So

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obviously you read it, I you
know. Okay, here's the thing.

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I didn't read the book per se, like quote unquote the book that when

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you went to the bathroom earlier.
I looked at your notes. Oh no,

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it's like I read the book.
It's like, you know, notes,

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it's Paul's notes exactly, It's Paul's
notes. It's like Cliff's notes,

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but it's so mean. Yeah,
so I got the gist free of slurs,

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but really personal a you know,
it's I'm joking. I did.

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I did actually read a book,
genuinely. It takes so much for me

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to read a book anyway, so
that I'm very proud of myself. Well

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it's good practice. So you don't
forget how I love the idea of Paul's

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notes, like like just like Cliff's
notes, but fucking vicious. Yeah yeah,

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remember that that character the gay best
friend for Juliette. What are you

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doing? What? What what are
you doing? You really have a spin

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off of that yeah, viral thing
that was happening like ten years ago.

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It's a little like Richard the Third, but like ew you no one wants

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to see that. Why don't you
go fuck your niece. Richard the third?

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Gross King Hey on ball America And
this is that aged well yesterday's Pop

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Culture Today bonus episode. We are
a content factory. We are we are

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pushing these things out like duggers.
Yes, this is this is our seventh

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listeners, and they better appreciate it
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of balls in the air. Yeah. So, our guest today is Jason

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Klom. Jason is a comedian,
he's a filmmaker, he's a voice actor,

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and he's a writer. I want
to talk to him all about his

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time on the Seat of Alias.
I was obsessed with the show, Jennifer

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Garner queen, but we are actually
here to talk about We're not worthy.

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From in Living Collar to Mister Show, how nineties Sketch TV changed the face

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of comedy. It's a mouthful,
but it's very important and you can order

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it from your local bookshop. You
must you must, You simply must.

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Jason, Welcome to the show.
Thank you so much for having me.

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I really appreciate it. I enjoy
the shit out of the show and on

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both of you. At some point, I'm happy to tell you about my

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Alias story. But I think it's
boring. I think it's I shouldn't say

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that. I think I've written it
in something else that I'm pitching. Never

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mind, it's a really great story. Fast. You definitely got punched by

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Jennifer Garner, right, I didn't
know, but she does watch me pass

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You can still like, I am
the reason she's watching the I'm all goffed

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out and stuff. Yes, that's
when I had hair and I could actually

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pull off like I look good and
I'm like, oh, yeah, you

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are plot crucial to that episode.
I really was, because she watched me

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once. Yeah, oh my god, I want to hear every So it

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was your natural hair. It wasn't
a wig. What had missed opportunity?

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That show was so good at wigs
and also so bad at wigs. It

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was all wigs at all times,
all wigs all the time. Yeah,

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it was. It was actually shot
back to back with an episode of Crossing

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Jordan that was also a vampire episode
and named almost the exact same thing,

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But that's for another time. That's
are you like to go to nineties vampire?

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Is this? What is this?
What we're learning here? Mostly I

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was go to guy with glasses in
the fifties because they did a lot of

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extra work. And then, uh, they said, hey, so I

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pick up the phone, and they
pick up the phone, They're like,

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so you have like black hair and
stuff like yeah, And I went and

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dyed my hair permanent. I didn't
think about it otherwise, So I permanently

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dyed my hair black. Uh.
And yeah, so that's how I got

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two jobs in a row. What
hey, whatever, you gotta make the

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ends meet. Yeah, that's the
hustle, friend. Yeah, it's a

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gig economy. Got you gotta make
it happen. All right, Jason,

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So we have you here. We're
going to talk about this book. I

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read it. Erica read it.
Despite some rumors you may have heard to

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the contrary, we did both read
the book. I learned how to read

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just for this book. Actually,
I'm honored. You're welcome. Yeah,

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so we're really curious to find out
when or how did you first become introduced

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to sketch comedy. So as you
can imagine rewriting or writing this book and

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then rewriting it. I every time
I read it, I was like,

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I don't think that's actually accurate every
time I would write down how I discovered

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it, because it's just sort of
always been with me sort of. But

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I was thinking about I think in
Living Color is like the first like cultural

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introduction to sketch comedy. It might
have been present elsewhere, and I would

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like, I would like something somebody
was in that I found out was on

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this show called Saturday Night Live that
my parents probably didn't let me watch.

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In Living Color was like water fountain
talk instead of water cooler talk. You're

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a little kid, You got to
the water fountain and you tell everybody like

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what Homie the Clown did last night. And so while I was not popular,

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I had no friends like, this
was one of the few things that

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I could actually relate to all the
popular kids with, and so we did

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have something to sort of exchange.
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like obviously a thing. I think
my tiny bit of cultural shay from elementary

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school. I was also equally very
uncool, was that I had a Bart

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Simpson T shirt before anyone else love
it, and that was from Tracy Allmon.

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I remember watching it on the Tracy
Almond Show. I think the Tracy

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Yalman Show was like a big We
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If Memory Services was Sunday, it
could have been on Tuesday nights. I

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don't remember, but I'm pretty sure
it was Sunday nights. My family would

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watch it. I remember showing up
to school with like a Cowabunga T shirt

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or whatever because I was so cool
and the kid, but like genuinely like

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other kids were like, oh,
you have a Bart Simpson shirt, and

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I was like, love it.
This is my way in I will I

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will follow comedy to the ends of
the Earth. I was using at that

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time Bart Simpson brand hair gel and
I don't have the photo pulled up,

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but if I pulled it up,
it would look like you cast a little

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child freshly as Bart Simpson because my
hair was about that tall. Again,

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when I had hair, it was
very exciting. I did not have a

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good I had a bootleg Bart Simpson
shirt which was said teenage Mute Ninja Simpsons.

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I don't know where my parents bought
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of The Turtles and Bart Simpson.
It was ugly, but I love classic

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mash up though. Classic Yeah,
it's so funny. I'm the odd man

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out on this because I was not
a TV kid growing up. I was

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not allowed to watch TV. I
woldout to watch the Cosby Show period.

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End of story, go outside and
play Wow. Okay, and that's it.

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So I don't think I really got
into sketch comedy. I would hear

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about it, like I heard about
SNL. I heard ABOUTE the Homie,

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the Clown and all that stuff like, and I didn't don't think I actually

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started watching until I was in college
and some of my friends were into SNL.

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Wow. So I don't. Like. We did Wayne's World a while

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ago, like way back in like
our first year, and my reaction to

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it was like, I don't get
it because like I completely missed that period

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of like humor development in myself.
And now I get it more and I

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get it. It doesn't like hit
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other people my age. It's like
a it's like a miss. Like I

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was very busy reading X Men comics
that was how I was cool. Okay,

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Yeah, so so we have a
sketch comedy not a neophyte, but

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a you know, not a not
a deep brained sketch comedy person. Then

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we have two dare I say,
experts, But you got through the whole

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book. You still got through the
whole book. Regardless. I did get

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through the whole book. It was
very interesting because it was I went to

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theater school, and that taught me
enough about like all these things that were

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going on, okay that like I
recognized a lot of it, like theater

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games and and Harold's and stuff like
that. Like in the book. Yeah,

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like I knew what that was.
So I was able to be like,

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oh, all of this stuff that
I just kind of did has a

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history, and I didn't really know
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very interesting. Oh good, all
right, Well that's that's It's really funny.

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Every time I've spoken to somebody this
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literally I think every time I like
do it on social media, I have

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yet to mention the fact that there
are like six whole chapters on the theaters

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that start in their life. The
chapters. I forget that that's part of

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the book, and it's my book
that I just fucking wrote. Well.

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I actually think one of the most
interesting things about the book is how like

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making all of these shows, it
was such like a like a gorilla theater

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kind of feeling to it. Like
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right, like you have this story
how the kids in the hall realized that

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they could expand the theater space just
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and lighting them. And then suddenly
it's like, as an eighteen year old

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in directing class, I remember like
moments like that, like do you have

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a favorite aha moment that you did
with one of these interviewers that struck you

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as especially interesting or exciting. It's
really hard because I'm going to run the

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risk of repeating myself if I say
all of them. I do particularly love

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them discussing that moment because it is
one of those things you take for granted

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that you can do. I feel
like the big aha moments were just when

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I had my own sort of comedy
nerd cred or my comedy nerd upbringing justified

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for lack of a better word,
when Bob oden Kirk did the same thing

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you know what I mean, Like, there lots of that in reading or

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in interviewing these people, where I
was just like, okay, cool,

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like I legitimately we've had roughly the
same upbringing comedically, even though we couldn't

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have been further apart as people.
Although Bob Odenkirk and I, I dare

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say, pretty similar in our obsession
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He clearly enjoyed talking to you because
he is all over this book. If

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you're a Better Call Saul fan,
get to this book because it's filthy with

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Bob Odenkirk context. Can I tell
you I didn't, I will not and

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have not watched any more than one
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this book, I was like,
I knew I was going to probably interview

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him, So I started watching Better
Call Saul, and shit if I didn't

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like become addicted and have to buy
season six before it was available because I

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was just like, oh God,
I can't not watch this. It's such

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a good It's I don't know if
I'll ever rewatch it. It's so distressing.

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But yeah, so because of this
book, I got kind of hooked.

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But you know, I would say
in terms of maybe not aha,

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but just pat on the back moments. It was kind of an AHA.

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When I asked Bill Odenkirk, because
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Bob, I was like, look, I love I love Mister Show.

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That is not a s I grew
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I didn't see that untill college or
after college. But I love Mister Show.

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But it gives me fire signed theater
vibes. And to have them both

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not only say yeah, it's kind
of there's some fire signed theater in here,

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but like, we fucking love them, And Bob went kind of hard

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on how much he loves them.
He thinks people should appreciate them more.

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So that was that was at least
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I was like, okay, good, Yeah, I also really love Fire

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Sign. They're not always my thing, but I like it when big people

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sort of acknowledge them as as an
influence. I wish I could remember the

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sketch, and I'm bummed that I
don't, But I remember vividly being like

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in college and rewatching old kids in
the hall, and there's a sketch where

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Kevin McDonald's just like laying on the
couch reading a book and then someone comes

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in and then the sketch starts and
the book he's reading is Uda Haggins respect

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for acting, And I don't know
why it is not referenced in the sketch.

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It doesn't matter to the sketch at
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seen. I was like, Oh
my god, And I guarantee it's so

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funny because on so many shows you'll
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who's connect communicating with the directors,
connect communicating with the lighting all it's

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all interchangeable. The vibe I got
from Bruce McCullough was that shit was them,

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like they were a hardcore on all
this. He would tear posters off

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the walls if they weren't right for
a set is for a scene, And

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I'm like, oh man, you
you little enfant to read like you could

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tell that's absolutely what he was.
And he's obviously chilled out in his older

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age now, but it's very funny
that they were so fucking picky. So

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I'm assuming Kevin was like, I
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It would work without it. Solid
Kevin solid Ken that's really good. I

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love that you can pull like a
random Kids in the Hall sketch eerica.

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And when I was reading the book, I was like, ooh, a

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Mathnet shout out. I watched Mathnet. That is the one that I watch

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as a kid, the Square one
math Net. I wanted to write more

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about that. I really did,
especially since I have like the longest interview

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with Beverly Leech, who was a
sweetheart. There's so much like she told

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me her whole life story, and
it was like, fuck, this is

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great. She should write a book. Oh yeah, no Kids in the

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Hall. When Comedy Central started airing
them all summer long, that was my

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summer, Like for fuck going outside, making friends, exercising. I just

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sat on the couch all summer and
watched Kids in the Hall sketches. You're

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also in Miami, so that's really
what you should do in the summer in

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Miami. It is my understanding.
Yeah, you shall not go outside.

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casually stating that Dell Close who But
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a legendary teacher, like improv teacher
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that he was a practicing witch.
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projects have you pitched in your head
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could be an HBO mini series.
I'm just spitballing here. Perhaps Hulu or

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Netflix would like to get involved in
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book about this? Oh? After
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right after this short, do you
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how eclectic Dell Close was, and
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there that either no one would question
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a fuck, I have to dig
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of the reasons I did just toss
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there's too much to go into.
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which is that it's like, oh, it's just a thing, you know,

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like, and I guess I took
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Did you have you seen the Dell
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flashbacks. It's really funny though,
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story you'll get, they're like toned
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They are like, this man is
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He was an addict, which means
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right, so there's a possible illness
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to make a joke. See,
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Make it. I'm not justifying it. It's still fucked up. Don't

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do that. People don't drop your
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Don't drop your pants just for a
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thing, that was his ethos.
I dare say, Handy Dick doesn't have

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that ethos. So that's the difference. It's a very thin line. I

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don't know how they made the documentary
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Dell clothesman. It's good, it
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much a Dell booster doc though.
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book is. I tried to like
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the things people give him credit for, but he did create most of them

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if you're on stage, your job
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yes, and then everyone looks good, which is very kind of beautiful

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and like it's theater is sports right, Like, yeah, there's no Iron

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team, there's no Iron cast either. Ha Look, I did a sports

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sports. Oh you can't stop me. Now, go cool down and hydrate

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my friends. I'm gonna go learn
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feel well, there's like that also
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comedy comes from well, drama comes
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exact quote, like togetherness or I
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plus time. I don't know the
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I know mel Brooks's version, which
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cut comedy as I fall down a
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that's solid, all right. So
this book Jason taught me a lot.

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It taught me that that Goldie Hawn
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of makes sure j Low. You
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that you had no idea. I
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forgotten it. Thing it taught me. It taught me that Alan Thick had

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a talk show called The Thick of
the Night. Yeah, which could not

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sound more like a thirty rock joke. You could. You could put the

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entire thirty rock writer's room together and
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joke, and they cannot top Alan
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It's perfect in any case. This
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show called head Cheese that starred Andy
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and too gay. So obviously I
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and I found it. It's all
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it a little bit. You have
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of the one of the cast members, and he supposted the whole thing,

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the whole twenty minutes. It was
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so delightful and enjoyable. Yeah.
Do you have a favorite lesser known sketch

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show that you think people should seek
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you know, like these little gems
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this, I would have first said, like maybe Almost Live, which people

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absolutely should, There's no getting around
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so glad I discovered it. My
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gonna talk about Almost Live in that
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don't know what the fuck that is, so let me look it up.

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you can't find whole episodes of Almost
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a as a piece. I'm a
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albums, I would hunt out the
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special They are very kind, they're
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so much. There's no meanness.
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they sort of managed to like take
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get quite meta with their comedy,
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that's honestly, it's unusual and they're
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are. Same situation. Another friend
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Firsch nurse. Right, I'm like, you know, I don't know what

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that is. You have to know
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chapter because I was like, I
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started, had a rise, got
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off. Yeah, And they did
seem so kind in that, like it

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reminded me of like a little bit
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really kind of family is such a
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but it is. But like like
prime time ABC comedy that everyone could

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sit down and enjoy and laugh and
you know, no one's dick is gonna

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flop out accidentally or something. Right. The most they're gonna do is,

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you know, pronounce orangina or angina. That's a solid joke. That is

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a solid joke. I would laugh
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a piece, whereas almost live you
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there's a ton there's so much on
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question for you, and then we're
gonna do something. We're doing something fun,

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right, so so don't don't done
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something fun right after that. So
as I'm reading the book, right,

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as I said, I'm a neophyte
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watched Carol Burnette. Actually forgot to
mention that that was the one thing I

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got to watch. But some of
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shows like head Cheese, some of
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I immediately searched out Viva Variety.
I tried so hard to find that

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knife throwing sketch that you talked about
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I couldn't find it either, but
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So I had to go with Michael
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him for real, like a real, real life. But do you have

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one of these shows that you think
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spirit, Like what is the one
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I know you just talked about the
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TV show. Yeah, it's hard
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for me to do the not for
Jason's list as well, because like,

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there's a ton that's just like and
hopefully you can't totally tell it throughout the

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writing, but there's some where I
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the full history or couldn't get you
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it's still probably the State. I
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the golden standard for me, and
it's because of the deep memory I still

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have. The State comes on and
they do this sketch all about the teacher

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standing in front of the kids saying, you know, it's illegal to say

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I'm going to kill the president,
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Secret Service comes in and arrests them. And I was like, this is

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and I here's the thing. I'd
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one of the most Python things they
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yet, and there is something about
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I will never forget that sketch,
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It's short, but that's it.
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saying, I'm gonna kill the president. Yeah, it's so fucking good and

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there's something that whole show just has
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there's a you know, there's a
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that show that you don't see otherwise. There's an actual woman, there's a

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gay man, there's a Jewish man, there's an Italian man. You know,

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there's a lot of these guys and
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up. And I love that show
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I was like, there's a sketch
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totally ruined it for him. I
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I'm like, fuck it, no, it's not funny. I should point

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out that it was sorry to interrupt, but just that David Wayne wrote the

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forward to the book, and like
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even true. Like I know he
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true. He did do it,
and he did. He gave you a

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very nice forward too. Yeah,
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So now we're gonna do something.
We're kind of gonna mash up We're not

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worthy the book with that age of
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talk about some sketch comedy, mostly
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one much later, just as a
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we're gonna take you listeners through some
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of want to do on the show. But our show is more long form,

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sure, so it's an opportunity to
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too long, and Paul's like,
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cut Kids in the Hall, which
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perfect. Just watch Kids in the
Hall? Was there a Kids in the

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Hall sketch? Like? In particular, I love the Two Cafes because what

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I really appreciate about the way they
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they're all really truly great actors,
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I feel like most other men playing
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and loving about their portrayals. So
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Buddy Cole sketch. You know,
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fact that all those guys have talked
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and their forefather figures, and like, while I did not, I understand

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the sort of gravitational the sort of
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of understanding them a little better.
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do with it, or if I'm
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I believe right, because there's a
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women that a lot of a lot
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Yeah, all right, So first, the first thing we're going to

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talk about is the very first Wayne's
World sketch. And I want everyone listening

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to know that I did not choose
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to do the first Wayne's World sketch. This is not a plan. This

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one's on me. The very first
Wayne's World Sketch aired on February eighteenth,

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nineteen eighty nine, in the thirteenth
episode of SNL's fourteenth season. I genuinely

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tried my best to find the writers
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like good implications of who the writers
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it's like a Lennon McCartney thing.
I feel like like, if someone talks

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a lot in the sketch, they
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that is almost impossible to tell with
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names on one thing. I like
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Bowen Yang on Instagram because you know, gay, and he when he's in

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a sketch, he posts it and
he puts all the he puts the writers

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and the customers and like he does
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I just think is very cool.
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features Mike Myers, Dana Carvey,
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well as someone on the phone at
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who that was. Leslie Nielsen hosts
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not Leslie Nielsen, so who knows? So Okay, So here's a little

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breakdown of the sketch. We open
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ten, which by the way,
is not responsible for anything expressed in the

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ensuing program Solid covering your ass there
cable Access channel ten, and then we

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cut to Wayne Mike Myers and Garth
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song, they tell each other to
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with their show. So their first
guest is Beev. This is played by

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Phil Hartman. He is in a
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Chipmunk, Alvin Chipmunk. I don't
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owns the wishing Well convenience store and
he is Garth's father, and Wayne asks

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Bev why he moved the soda to
the front of the store. He answers

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to prevent shoplifting, and then looks
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is at home, and Garth says, not bad, but he should get

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his teeth fixed if people stop calling
him Bev. This is not high comedy

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people, this is this and then
he announces Wayne's top ten. Wayne's top

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00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:47.200
ten this week is the top ten
things that Beev says, which are mostly

407
00:24:47.240 --> 00:24:49.599
about the convenience store, and then
starts to segue into like Wayne is so

408
00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:53.319
awesome, right, and then ultimately
the number one thing is Hi, my

409
00:24:53.480 --> 00:24:56.839
name is Bev and I am a
big f bomb. I was leaning in

410
00:24:56.839 --> 00:24:59.920
to see if you were going to
say it, Just say it. Say

411
00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:03.319
you know you want to cancel me
so hard. I'm on, bitch,

412
00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:06.359
I know you. I know it's
in there. I know it's like it's

413
00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:12.440
like salt on your tongue. Nice
try, motherfucker can't catch me. I'm

414
00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:18.720
not getting canceled today. So b
then bans Wayne from the store and walks

415
00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:22.319
out, and Garth is pissed because
Wayne said that about his dad Fair and

416
00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:26.359
Wayne's like, hey man, everyone
chill yeah. After that, Wayne introduces

417
00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:30.240
their next guest, Nancy, who's
played by Jan Hooks. I really enjoyed

418
00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:33.680
listening, by the way, to
Mike Meyer's Canadian accent sneak out through his

419
00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:37.480
Midwestern accent, and then Jan Hooks
for some reason, even though they're in

420
00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:40.680
Illinois doing a full southern Yeah,
it's like from Texas. Who knows love

421
00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:44.839
it? I love chan Hooks so
hard. So so Wayne asked Nancy if

422
00:25:44.839 --> 00:25:47.240
she's stuffs and she says no,
but she knows who does, and if

423
00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:49.400
she likes Garth, and she says
no, she has a boyfriend. And

424
00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:52.480
what girls think of Wayne and Garth? And she says they like Garth because

425
00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:56.359
he's because he's quiet, but most
think that Wayne's conceded. So Wayne says

426
00:25:56.400 --> 00:26:00.680
he thinks that's bogus and says he's
just trying to impress Nancy because he likes

427
00:26:00.680 --> 00:26:04.079
her, and even starts to sing
dream Weaver to her, and then Nancy

428
00:26:04.079 --> 00:26:08.079
says really, and Wayne shouts fished
in and celebrates that she bought it.

429
00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:11.759
Nancy says everyone thinks there are a
couple of mos anyway, and stalks out

430
00:26:11.839 --> 00:26:15.799
that's too that's too, it's too
way. Here we go, Here we

431
00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:18.000
go, number three, Here we
go, Ready for number three? Here's

432
00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:23.920
how this sketch is five? Okay, yep, yep. Finally, Wayne

433
00:26:23.920 --> 00:26:27.759
and Garth take a phone call from
a viewer who's grossed out because his girlfriend

434
00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:30.920
blew chunks all over him. And
I was like, okay, cool,

435
00:26:30.920 --> 00:26:34.200
we're getting back to what we know. It's vomit comedy. I'm here for

436
00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:37.400
this. Wayne and Garth talks talk
him through it. They're like, is

437
00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:41.519
your girlfriend still gonna vomit near you? Are you okay, and he's like,

438
00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:44.720
no, it's fine. She's passed
out in the other room. And

439
00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:48.240
then Wayne says, oh, you're
golden then, and you can kind of

440
00:26:48.279 --> 00:26:52.319
see the like it takes a second
for Garth to realize what he's saying.

441
00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:56.279
Oh, and then the guy on
the phone is like, oh, you're

442
00:26:56.599 --> 00:27:02.039
right, party on, yeah,
And then they end the sketch. What

443
00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:04.680
is that about Erica that seemed to
upset you? That is a rape joke?

444
00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:08.799
Yeah, it is, and my
beloved Wayne's World skitch that I was

445
00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:12.240
not okay. So I talked a
little bit off Mike about this earlier with

446
00:27:12.359 --> 00:27:17.359
these with Paul and Jason. Look, I picked this one at random.

447
00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:19.400
I was like, just just do
the first Wayne's World sketch. I'm sure

448
00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:26.319
it's fine. I love Wayne's World. I was not expecting. First of

449
00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:30.119
all, I didn't know you could
say the F word on TV in nineteen

450
00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:33.400
eighty nine. Right he took it. I was like, I then threw

451
00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:37.160
down a Google search that I wish
I hadn't was the last time that word

452
00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:41.599
was able to use intelligension? And
then the rape joke, the yeah,

453
00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:45.880
it's so mean and it's so it's
not the characters as they as they evolved.

454
00:27:47.119 --> 00:27:49.240
Yeah, I was really like,
I'm I'm I have the least Wayne

455
00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:52.920
brain here, Like I'm not into
him. I don't find the sketch that

456
00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:56.640
funny ever, Like even the Tom
Hanks one, I'm like, it's a

457
00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:59.799
bee. When that first top ten
popped out and that F bomb dropped,

458
00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:03.319
I like, have I gone?
Am I in bizarro world? This is?

459
00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:06.200
I was just like, my my
deflectors weren't up, and that was

460
00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:07.680
the problem. I wasn't prepared for
it because I was like, this is

461
00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:12.759
It's Wayne's world. I know what
this is. It's it's safe. Well,

462
00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:17.160
according me, I got the same
feeling when it's interesting because a lot

463
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:19.559
of people compare this to Bill and
Ted and they they they do sort of

464
00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:22.319
originate around the same time, but
Bill and Ted clearly came out first.

465
00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:27.799
And I was in a show of
that once, playing George Carlin's part and

466
00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:32.319
watched it and did not remember they
also drop the F bomb when they go

467
00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:36.559
back in time, like, oh, okay, it's never addressed again.

468
00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:40.079
Obviously it's not repeated in subsequent films. I don't believe it's one of those

469
00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:42.839
just like, oh, that was
just cool. To toss around for somebody.

470
00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:48.440
It just wasn't it wasn't a word
that nice guys wouldn't say. It

471
00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:52.279
was just like like rape jokes were
not jokes that nice guys wouldn't make.

472
00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:57.079
I will say I I and this
is entirely a personal thing. I do

473
00:28:57.240 --> 00:29:00.480
happen to find the term mo kind
of funny and I am allowed to and

474
00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:06.200
do not comfort me. Mos and
fruits do kind of make me laugh.

475
00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:08.720
I just I just think they're funny. But what about fairies, fairies?

476
00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:14.039
I'm fine with it, fairies,
pretty wings, you know, like I'm

477
00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:18.079
pretty open to it. I it
was shocking, like and even like the

478
00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:22.400
portrayals of them from what little I
know of the Waiting Garth characters. Even

479
00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:25.079
I was like, wow, this
is a first draft. This is a

480
00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:27.960
and I'm surprised it got it grew
so much, Like how did he get

481
00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:30.039
it back on the air, because
it didn't seem like it wasn't even slam

482
00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:33.440
dunk with the audience. It seemed
like the audience was like, fine,

483
00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:36.519
that's one hunt. Can I tell
you? I interviewed him for the book,

484
00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:37.880
right, and he might have said
this to me too, But I

485
00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:41.759
read this elsewhere that the reason the
show that came back is because of the

486
00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:45.400
huge audience reaction. I'm like,
Mike, rewatch that, Bud. You

487
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:48.400
have rewritten it in your mind.
And I get it. He's successful,

488
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:52.400
so obviously everything he's ever done has
gone gone gangbusters in his head. I

489
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:56.039
get that. But yeah, it's
tepid. It is tepid, and and

490
00:29:56.480 --> 00:30:00.599
yeah, and again, there's also
just that other shit that just doesn't need

491
00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:04.039
to be there. It could be
serviceable without that shit, but yeah,

492
00:30:04.279 --> 00:30:07.680
it would be forgettable without it.
I'm like, the joke is just these

493
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:11.839
two characters that are event fully formed, yet honestly, the funniest one in

494
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:15.599
the sketches Phil Hartman. He is
my personal god. So yeah, yeah,

495
00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:19.680
yeah, yeah. I again,
like, I don't know that any

496
00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:25.920
other waynes World sketches are this rough. I genuinely don't remember. I remember

497
00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:29.799
the controversy when they made fun of
Chelsea Clinton, which was a thing they

498
00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:33.519
basically she was like thirteen years old, and they made fun of the way

499
00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:36.480
she looks on the Shock, which, like, I don't know how that

500
00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:40.079
made it past, Like even their
own writers like, hey, maybe we

501
00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:47.519
don't mock right thirteen when she's thirteen
and then they kind of made up for

502
00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:49.480
it, and I feel like that
that slap on the wrist really changed the

503
00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:53.440
trajectory of the sketch. So after
we watched that one, we said,

504
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:56.880
you know, we should give SNL
another shot because this is rough. So

505
00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:02.640
we figured we would in a little
palate cleanser here from SNL, So we're

506
00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:06.559
also going to talk about Welcome to
Hell. This aired on December second,

507
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:11.200
twenty seventeen, far outside of our
usual purview on this show, in the

508
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:15.000
seventh episode of SNL's forty third season. It features Cecily Strong, Eighty Bryant,

509
00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:18.519
Kate McKinnon, Heidi Gardner, Leslie
Jones, Melissa Via Signor, and

510
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:22.400
SNL host Sir Sharonan. We open, by the way, I could just

511
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:26.240
do this one for you guys right
now, memorized should I do? Okay?

512
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:29.359
Yeah, the Chorio two right okay, obviously, and now I'm just

513
00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:32.799
wearing the full Sharona outfits. We're
talking. Yeah, I've always wanted to

514
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:37.960
see you as a blonde. We
opened with Cecily, Kate, Ady,

515
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:41.759
and Sirsia decked out in like truly
the finest pop star waar and like the

516
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:47.319
idea it's a candy themed fantasy world, the ideas they're sort of infantilized versions

517
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:49.880
of women. A beat starts behind
them. They address the boys in the

518
00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:55.599
audience and offer condolences about how hard
it's been, and there's suddenly a lot

519
00:31:55.640 --> 00:32:00.000
of habitual predators out there that we're
all learning about, like Kevin Spacey and

520
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:05.039
Harvey Weinstein. And then they drop
this like, oh, it's like,

521
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:07.799
is this the world now? And
Cicely goes, oh, this has been

522
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:14.799
the damn world. Yeah, So
they sing welcome to Hell and welcoming men

523
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:16.880
to the real world that women have
been dealing with forever. Right, So

524
00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:21.200
we meet Heidi as a flasher who
may or may not be setting a trap

525
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:24.079
for women by advertising a free cat, which is so funny. Then they

526
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:28.000
expressed that while it might be a
surprise to men that all of this is

527
00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:30.720
happening, women have definitely been saying
there's been a fucking problem for hundreds of

528
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:34.440
years. And then we cut to
like my favorite part of the sketch,

529
00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:39.400
these these flashbacks to Melissa Villa Signor
and she's playing a witch being burned at

530
00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:43.680
the stake in sixteen hundreds, and
then she's campaigning for the Right to Vote

531
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:46.519
in nineteen twenties. Then Rosie the
Riveter. Then finally she's like a Paul

532
00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:51.240
writes here Joan from Madmen character.
But I like to think she's Mary from

533
00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:53.279
the Mary Tyler Moore sharra. Oh, she's definitely Joan, though she has

534
00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:58.559
the pen necklace. Ah, it's
in my head. It's Mary Tyler Moore.

535
00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:00.279
That would actually be even better,
I think, although mad Men was

536
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:02.799
probably more in the zeitgeist at that
moment, I was also on mad Men.

537
00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:07.880
Just in case you have any questions
we're talking about this, I was

538
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:10.559
an extra extra only by the way, honest, just a shit ton of

539
00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:13.759
that show. Eric. It's an
excuse to rewatch mad Men. Oh my

540
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:15.440
god, I'm gonna rewatch mad Men
tonight. Tell me one thing about mad

541
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:17.960
Men. You don't have to like, just one thing. Oh okay,

542
00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:22.119
I'll tell you a Bearing in mind
that there have since been some stories about

543
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:24.799
the creator of the show maybe being
a bit of a creep. I cannot

544
00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:28.960
confirm or deny that, but I
will say I walked on a set in

545
00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:31.119
my full suit, and they tailor
everything to you if you're even if you're

546
00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:35.119
an extra. I walk on a
set I'm wearing my glasses, not my

547
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:37.759
set glasses yet, which by the
way, I cannot see through. And

548
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:40.039
I have to have a delightful young
woman walking across the set in order to

549
00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:45.319
do my job. That is literally
had like a seeing eye dog seeing I

550
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:50.839
won. But I'm standing there.
Matthew Winer steps into the to the set

551
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:55.279
of whatever the name of the place
is called Coleman Scooper. I call it

552
00:33:55.319 --> 00:34:00.160
Coleman Scooper apparently. So he walks
in and he comes right here, like

553
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:01.960
right at me, and he's just
looking, he's looking in there, and

554
00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:06.559
then just immediately turns me and says, you're not wearing those glasses on camera,

555
00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:07.280
are you? No, sir,
No, sir, I have them

556
00:34:07.360 --> 00:34:09.280
right here. Out of the corner
of his eye. Knew I was wearing

557
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:13.440
the wrong fucking glasses for the era, and I was like, oh,

558
00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:16.119
this is his show. This is
clearly this man's show. That someone is

559
00:34:16.119 --> 00:34:21.239
immersed in that in that era.
I guess I have heard they reshot entire

560
00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:24.119
like scenes. If he's like that
fucking board game didn't exist yet, cut

561
00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:29.079
that redo the scene and there's Game
of Thrones just putting a Starbucks cup right

562
00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:32.719
in the middle of the season.
They needed, They needed Matthew Weiner,

563
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:37.880
possible creep on there, just a
fucking apple watch in the middle of Sometimes

564
00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:42.199
Meglomania works for us, you know
what I'm saying, does great great art

565
00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:45.800
sometimes Yeah, all right, So
back to the sketch. Leslie appears and

566
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:50.599
she politely asks all these women if
they realize that it's a million times worse

567
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:53.000
out there for women of color.
The ladies all agree, They thank her

568
00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:57.639
for bringing that up. Really wonderful
for you to say that. She joins

569
00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:00.760
them, and they bring the song
home. They say, yes, House

570
00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:02.800
of Cards is ruined, but what
about this list of things that are ruined

571
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:07.360
for women? Parking and walking in
uber and ponytails, bathrobes and nighttime and

572
00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:14.480
drinking and hotels and vans. Nothing
good happens in a van. They encourage

573
00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:19.000
everyone to grab their friends, Mason
their hands and get used to hell.

574
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:24.280
This sketch is amazing. I feel
like Cecily Strong had a hand in this

575
00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:28.239
one. Ye had a big,
strong hand in this one, because she

576
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:30.800
had a tendency to write these like
or to star in. I don't know

577
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:36.199
who else was writing on them with
her. These like very feminist sketches on

578
00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:39.000
SNL in her time there, like
she really wanted to use the platform while

579
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:43.360
she had it right. Good for
her. This is my favorite of those

580
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:47.000
because it's I think the funniest and
like sharp. It's sharp, but it's

581
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:51.360
still funny. It doesn't it's not
so sharp that I'm actually depressed after watching.

582
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:53.480
Yeah, it's not as sharp as
the keys that Kate walks home and

583
00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:58.360
threaded in between her fingers. Can
I tell you I've done that? Yeah,

584
00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:00.360
yeah, that's a real fucking thing. I think it's all real.

585
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:05.320
My favorite joke is my dad gave
me a pink gun. So yeah,

586
00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:10.440
there's a lot there. I am
absolutely in love with Cecily Strong. There

587
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:14.000
should be. I should make no
bones about it. I think she's a

588
00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:17.519
fucking genius. And uh yeah,
I even towards the end to on her

589
00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:21.920
of her reign on that show,
which she was just like, I was

590
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:25.119
a big booster of Kate McKinnon,
just this whole fucking changeover where people of

591
00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:29.880
color and women were actually finally getting
voices on the show. Cecily Strong's voice

592
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:32.199
was just like, oh wait a
minute, there's something definitely different here.

593
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:36.199
And she would just come on and
do these goofy as characters who would then

594
00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:40.239
just not even a sketch on news, on on update in the silly character

595
00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:44.360
voice, just say exactly what was
on Cecily Strong's mind at the time,

596
00:36:44.679 --> 00:36:47.800
like you know, the abortion one
with the clown that was heartbreaking and funny

597
00:36:47.800 --> 00:36:50.920
at the same time. And I'm
like, oh, oh, she just

598
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:53.760
said a real thing. I yeah, like not often are you at home

599
00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:57.760
where you're like I should just sit
and listen even though I'm at home and

600
00:36:57.800 --> 00:37:00.920
can laugh all I want, Like
I was stated me, I was just

601
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:02.880
like, oh god, she's so
good, Like yeah, that shouldn't be

602
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:06.079
funny, but she made it so
good. I don't know, yeah,

603
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:09.760
genius, excellent. Yeah, And
this particular cadre of women on the show

604
00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:15.519
just like they made so many great
sketches about like being a horny as kids,

605
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:19.480
like stuff that women didn't usually get
away. The world is one of

606
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:22.360
my favorite sketches. The world is, Yeah, like let's do it in

607
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:27.440
my twin bed, like excellent,
excellent stuff. And like even the the

608
00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:31.239
previous generation had like like they had
things to say, and the show did

609
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:37.800
write more like women centric sketches for
them, like when when Tina was the

610
00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:43.480
head writer, like, look at
my friend Tina Fey. But I feel

611
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:45.920
like this particular group of women really
like took it and ran with it in

612
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:52.000
a way that like even before it
never like never really got this this excellent

613
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:54.000
Well before that, they would have
been, you know, just loudmouth broads

614
00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:57.519
who were complaining too much that they
didn't get enough. You know what I

615
00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:06.039
mean. Thank you for saying that. Thank you for that's a slide turn,

616
00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:09.760
Like if you d this right piece
of the clot we got you.

617
00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:15.519
Yes, I forgot to download my
audio. I can't prove that I saw

618
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:22.559
that we get him, all right, So enough about SNL. Let's try

619
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:28.079
a new show. Let's talk about
the sketch introducing Homi d Clown on in

620
00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:32.119
Living Please. No, I can't. I know, I realized before I

621
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:38.360
said Homie duck clown because I'm again
white banana in the tailpipe. Yes,

622
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:45.000
exactly. So. This aired on
June seventeenth, nineteen ninety in the ninth

623
00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:50.880
episode of In Living Colors first season. It features Damon Wayne's, Kim Coles,

624
00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:54.480
Kelly Cofield Park, David Allen Greer, Tommy David sid and Takiya Crystal

625
00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:59.679
Kima, whose name pronunciation I got
from a appearance she made in a local

626
00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:00.760
news show, and that is how
they said it, and she did not

627
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:04.320
correct them, So I'm presuming that
is correct. I do believe that is

628
00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:07.239
correct. Yes, okay, yes, well done, Paul, Well done.

629
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:10.039
So we opened at a birthday party
with four kids, Kelly, David,

630
00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:14.159
Tommy, Takiya, and the host, the mom, Kim Coles,

631
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:19.199
pops in and announces that it's time
for Homie D Clown. The kids are

632
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:27.639
thrilled and said it white d Homer
D Clown. He believes Demetrius to Metri

633
00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:30.440
clown. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's actually it's actually Davidson.

634
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:36.360
Yeah. So Homie, played by
the great Damon Wayans Yeah, trudges

635
00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:38.920
in, immediately slaps the hat off
of Tommy's head. Money won't chill out.

636
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:43.480
Takiya asks him to do a silly
clown dance, but Homie says he

637
00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:45.800
doesn't degrade himself. He bops her
on the head and he says it's catchphrase.

638
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:49.480
I don't think so, Homie,
don't play that. Even I knew

639
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:52.760
that growing up like that, that
was so ubiquitous when we were kids.

640
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:55.840
They made a they made a goddamn
video game out of this character. That's

641
00:39:55.880 --> 00:40:00.519
how popular character was. Ok Yeah, there's a Homie to clown video game.

642
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:04.679
My god, that's okay. Uh
huh. He has a similar reaction

643
00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:07.960
to other suggestions from the kids,
like falling on a banana peel or hitting

644
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:10.199
himself in the face of the pie. He suggests that you a magic trick.

645
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:13.760
The kids are excited, and then
he's like, someone gives me a

646
00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:16.440
dollar. David Helen Grier gives him
one, and then Homie folds it once

647
00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:21.920
twice and then pockets it and now
it's gone. Yeah, he wants people

648
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:23.760
to get one thing straight. Homie
might be a clown, but he doesn't

649
00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:27.920
make a fool out of himself.
And when they wonder why he became a

650
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:30.320
clown, he says, I guess
it's because I got so much love to

651
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:36.280
give and it's part of my prison
work release program. Homie announces it's cartoon

652
00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:40.360
time and he uses an easel to
display some truly excellent drawn panels, like

653
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:45.440
really top notch work from the art
department. Out who drew those? Yeah,

654
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:49.920
it's an adventure that Homie had at
Shay Whitey with a snooty matre d

655
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:53.119
that demanded Homie wear a tie and
wound up with Homie literally kicking the matre

656
00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:58.199
D's ass. Right, He asks
the children what they've learned at ny chorus

657
00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:02.199
Homie, don't play that. Then
he leads the kids in the homid clown

658
00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:06.800
song, which culminates in his promise
to one day break his chains and fly

659
00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:09.679
away, an idea of the kids
can't quite echo clearly. Yeah, Waynes

660
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:14.159
breaks a little bit in the sketch, which is so fucking good, and

661
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:16.679
congratulates the kids, saying they actually
made Homie smile after all. Then he

662
00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:23.440
says happy birthday and trudges out,
Yeah, this sketch like I remembered,

663
00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:28.320
Like I couldn't remember the first Wayne's
World, I remembered this one vividly.

664
00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:30.360
Yeah, I have, I have
the same with a lot of in living

665
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:32.320
color stuff. I realized it was
stuck in my brain and didn't remember.

666
00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:37.239
Is it the first time a blackjack
has been used in a sketch since Vaudeville?

667
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:40.599
Because I can't imagine that anybody else. I was shocked because I was

668
00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:44.360
like, what actually is that?
Because it can't be a real blackjack,

669
00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:45.400
right, So like what is it? And they said it was a sock

670
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:49.119
with a tennis ball in it,
and I'm like, he's hitting those people

671
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:51.719
pretty hard, like a tennis ball
would hurt, you think, So,

672
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:54.719
yeah, well he's hitting the hats
off their heads. But I imagine there's

673
00:41:54.840 --> 00:42:00.480
like a gentleman's agreement among that that
whole cast that they're like, we're gonna

674
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:02.119
get a hit in the face at
one point with tennis. Well, yeah,

675
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:06.840
it's worth it for the laughs.
Yeah. Obviously Damon Wayne's is great,

676
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:09.719
but the four of them playing the
kids are also so excellent. In

677
00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:13.960
this Tommy Davidson does the cream pie
thing where he he's like, oh,

678
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:15.719
hit this, hit yourself in the
face of this cream pie, and Homie

679
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:19.480
kicks it and he has to hit
himself in the face of the pie and

680
00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:22.039
it's so it looks real, and
I'm like, I know that that was

681
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:28.280
just rehearsed and he did it perfectly. And at one point Kelly asks Homie

682
00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:30.639
something and he says no, and
she just takes her hat off so he

683
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:35.960
can't hit off her head. Like
the little like flourishes on those performances are

684
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:38.199
excellent. I wrote down that he
says, I got about five more years

685
00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:42.679
of this clown crap, which to
me feels like that ended up being true.

686
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:45.480
He did about five years of the
show. Oh yeah, then had

687
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:47.079
a career. Yeah yeah, prescient. And I read in your book that

688
00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:52.039
he was charging like seventy seventy five
thousand dollars a sketch, not an episode,

689
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:54.920
a sketch. By the end,
I was like, holy yeah,

690
00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:59.639
yeah, that's the deal you want, right, Absolutely, no one would

691
00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:04.639
walk for that, like you know, the star power that came out of

692
00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:08.239
in Living Color, like you know, Jamie Fox. We have two Academy

693
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:15.320
Award winners. Yeah, yeah,
good well, Jennifer Lopez future Academy I

694
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:20.119
should have won for Hustlers. In
my mind, Rosie Perez to absolutely.

695
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:22.840
I would also say this sketch ages
very well. Yeah, I have no

696
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:25.559
complaints about the sketch. This is
perfect, nothing wrong with it, and

697
00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:29.639
I love it. And I'm still
pissed that the Homie movie didn't come out

698
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:34.039
and they still could do it.
And if you need young Homie, Damon

699
00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:37.800
Wayne's junior looks exactly like exactly,
like he's great, Oh no, he's

700
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:42.119
brilliant, like he's very funny.
But yeah, just do the fucking movie.

701
00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:44.800
I would I would pay to see
that movie. Actually, amaze they

702
00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:46.719
aren't because I don't know if you've
heard about this, but nostalgia is big

703
00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:51.239
right now. Really, Yeah,
they've been really rebooting a lot of stuff.

704
00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:53.920
I had never heard. What a
shocker. Yeah, all right,

705
00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:57.800
so we're gonna move on. We're
gonna do a sketch from all that,

706
00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:01.480
which we're doing for for you listeners, because this is rough. It's not

707
00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:05.960
it age is fine, but oh
boy, it's okay. I went through

708
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:07.599
a lot of because the first one
off, I'm like Good Burger, that's

709
00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:10.159
like the big thing. I went
through a lot of Good Burger sketches.

710
00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:16.920
I'm sorry. This is the absolutely, this is the this is the the

711
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:23.039
Citizen Kane. The rest are horrible. You heard it, You heard it,

712
00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:27.920
listeners. This is this is the
Oscar winning one. So I cannot,

713
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:30.400
for the life of me figure out
when this aired, so I'm just

714
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:34.159
gonna say it's aired in the late
nineties. It features Kel Mitchell, Keenan

715
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:37.840
Thompson, Danny Tamborelli, Amanda Bynes, and Laurie Beth Denberg. We open

716
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:43.239
with Ed played by kel Mitchell,
being challenged to drink a turbo good gulp

717
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:47.480
in under ten seconds he does nine
seconds in actually and then belchies really loudly.

718
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:51.480
Yeah, did we mention this sketches
for children? We should mention that

719
00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:52.559
right here, I will say,
right now, I have four nephews and

720
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:55.880
zero children of my own. But
I have four nephews, and from the

721
00:44:57.000 --> 00:45:02.239
ages of eight to like eleven,
this would have killed sure like anything pee

722
00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:07.000
poop butts jenital like that was the
height of comedy. So I get it

723
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:10.360
right, like I get why this
is doing what it's doing. So Amanda

724
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:15.519
binds young, young, sweet like
eight year old Amanda bindss in she was

725
00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:20.280
horrible, and she asks for a
good burger. Only Ed is already feeling

726
00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:22.079
the pressure from the drink that he's
had. He needs to tank all.

727
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:29.760
He keeps yelling the word tank all
the entire sketch. Unfortunately, the bathroom

728
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:31.440
is out of water. He'll have
to wait until the plumber gets there that

729
00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:36.599
afternoon. This is definitely a health
code violation and absolutely an ocean issui is

730
00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:40.320
too. He returns to Amanda and
asks if he can go home with her

731
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:46.320
to use her bathroom. She very
rightly says no and leaves recurring character I

732
00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:50.960
found out from watching all of these. Connie Muldoon shows up played by Laurie

733
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:54.840
Beth Denberg Girl. She asks for
a larger cup to transfer her her medium

734
00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:58.840
drink into because she likes to drink
her medium drink from a large cup.

735
00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:04.880
Provides it for her and has to
suffer as she slowly pours her soda from

736
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:08.280
one cup to the other, and
he collapses yelping. I really liked that

737
00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:12.920
bit. I'm going to say that
actually genuinely made me laugh. I agree,

738
00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:15.599
that was exactly what I wrote.
That was my favorite part, her

739
00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:17.840
pouring it. She had real comic
timing when she did that. Yeah.

740
00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:23.119
So Perry the plumber played by Keenan
Thompson arrives ed is thrilled. He asks

741
00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:28.199
Barry to go fix the bathroom,
but Perry corrects him. It's Perry with

742
00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:31.039
a pee like plumber and he's carrying
a plunger, which also starts with the

743
00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:37.000
pee pee pee pee. My nephews
would have wet themselves at this point.

744
00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:40.239
It would have been everyone needs to
go change their diapers, like and they

745
00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:44.519
can't handle this. Okay, here's
my journey with this. I went through

746
00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:46.559
a lot of shitty sketches found this
one was like fine, we'll do this

747
00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:50.400
one. Then I watched it again
started I was like, Okay, that's

748
00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:57.199
really funny. Watched the third time, really does get funny, and Keenan

749
00:46:57.320 --> 00:47:00.599
Thompson going peepee, get it,
get it. I was like, fuck,

750
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:04.480
I'm laughing. Yeah. So the
sketch ends when a dissatisfied customer calls

751
00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:07.039
ed over, angry that he has
Nichols on his burger. When it's like

752
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:12.119
you ask for Nichols, the customer
starts yelling, I ask for pickles with

753
00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:15.360
a pee, and like the two
of them do this physical comedy thing that

754
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:20.559
I really like. He goes pee
pickles, pee pee, and they both

755
00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:23.920
start to just sink down to the
ground, one because he's so angry and

756
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:28.559
the other one because he's so defeated. Ed can't take it anymore. He

757
00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:32.719
kool aid man's his way through the
wall of Good Burger to probably relieve himself

758
00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:37.519
on someone's car. Yeah, I'm
hoping, I watch out fire hydrants.

759
00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:42.559
This one works the best of all
the Good Burger sketches because it just escalates

760
00:47:42.760 --> 00:47:45.079
really really well. It's like it's
well written. This is the other show

761
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:47.519
I wish I'd have been able to
do a chapter on I couldn't get enough

762
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:52.599
people from it, really, yeah, and I say enough. Danny Tamborelli

763
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:55.480
was a great friggin' interview. It's
a delightful and he gave me so much.

764
00:47:55.880 --> 00:47:59.480
I'm hoping for like a second edition. Maybe I can do in all

765
00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:02.519
that chapter because it's not my age. But I know that there are people

766
00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:06.679
just shy of me who are like
that was my life. So I feel

767
00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:09.159
like, you know, I feel
like it deserves a chapter because yeah,

768
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:14.559
it was also partially written by the
kids. It's fucking nuts that like kids

769
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:17.960
were writing alongside you know, adults. It's very strange. I have a

770
00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:24.880
I have an actor question Connie Muldoon. I want to know where she got

771
00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:29.159
that accent. I feel like there's
a whisper of the Fjords in it,

772
00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:34.280
like like I and it's like it's
consistent and it's funny. So I don't

773
00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:37.119
care, Like godspeed, good job
Lori Beth den Bergh. But I'm like,

774
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:40.000
what is this voice coming out of
this I don't know, thirteen year

775
00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:44.000
old person, Like it's wild.
But when you're a kid, though,

776
00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:45.639
that is a thing you can channel
better than when you're an adult. Like

777
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:50.280
I learned to do accents, and
I learned to do like impressions and stuff

778
00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:52.159
when I was a kid, and
I feel like that is a thing you

779
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:54.960
can do as a kid that you
can't do as well as an adult unless

780
00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:59.440
you've got the free time and a
speech therapist to walk through it. I

781
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:00.960
wonder if it's it's the same part
of your brain that learns the languages,

782
00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:04.599
which it is so much easier when
you're a hit, right. I think

783
00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:07.800
it's a layer of like humility that
you don't have sure, like a layer

784
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:10.960
of like don't give a fuckness that
you as an adult you're like, I'm

785
00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:15.679
embarrassing myself, and it just you
can't do it anymore. Also, I

786
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:20.280
want to mention real quick, we
picked this one obviously because for the fans

787
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:22.800
of the show, but also like
I wanted something that represented Keenan Thompson is

788
00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:28.800
probably the most prolific sketch comedy performer
oh at this point of our generation,

789
00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:31.239
right, I don't think you're getting
around it. He's done what twenty years

790
00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:35.880
of SNL almost and all that.
I think he's literally done more sketch TV

791
00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:38.480
than anybody in history, quite possible. And John Cleese at this point,

792
00:49:38.719 --> 00:49:43.159
like yeah, Like it's incredible.
He started on all that when he was

793
00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:47.239
so young. He's a baby,
and there's so many sketches where he's just

794
00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:52.559
so he's great. This the writing
obviously isn't like what we're used to,

795
00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:55.119
and it's not strong and it's not
meant for us anyway, but he's there

796
00:49:55.239 --> 00:49:58.800
is an undeniable charm to this kid
that I'm like, oh, okay,

797
00:49:58.840 --> 00:50:01.960
I get it. I get like
how you've how you've managed to sustain this

798
00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:07.920
decade's long career. It's also interesting
because he's almost himself like like like when

799
00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:10.280
he walked in his I'm like he's
entering just like he would enter an SNL

800
00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:14.679
sketch like that. He has some
there's some bone in his body that like

801
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:21.480
gets this genre very well. He's
not a chameleon at all. He's never

802
00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:25.840
ever not been Keenan Thompson in literally
any sketch, and he had he mostly

803
00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:29.840
laughs through them too. Yeah,
I know, and that's normally the thing

804
00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:32.800
I fucking hate. I also like
at the time he I think he might

805
00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:36.519
be a cup I don't know what
his age is. We're roughly the same

806
00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:39.719
age he and I. Yeah,
and like he like other people I know

807
00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:45.000
of my age had a heavy and
it still shows Jim Carrey influence, there's

808
00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:47.679
no getting around it. And like, I feel like he learned a lot

809
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:52.920
of comedy shortcuts by watching Jim Carrey
who didn't and but then ran with it

810
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:55.360
in a way that made it his
own. But yeah, I'm not sure

811
00:50:55.400 --> 00:50:58.800
why. I'm not annoyed that he's
a laugher, that he's a breaker.

812
00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:00.800
I don't. I feel the same
way Jimmy Fallon doesn't, and I want

813
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:05.119
to kill him. But but Keenan
does it, and I'm like, it's

814
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:08.960
He's just got a natural charisma to
him. There's no getting around it.

815
00:51:09.039 --> 00:51:10.840
Yeah. I tried to get him
for the book, but that was that

816
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:14.360
was that was what I felt like. If I don't get Keenan, I

817
00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:16.280
don't know that I can finish the
all that chapter, you know, And

818
00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:20.079
he's he's a hard get to be
fair. I mean, I would think

819
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:22.480
kel would probably be a easier get, maybe with with love and respect to

820
00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:30.719
every sure, all right, So
from all that to the State, So

821
00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:32.639
I'm just going to stay right away. I have always kind of wanted to

822
00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:36.800
watch the State because I've heard so
many stories about it and Eric has talked

823
00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:38.880
about it. She sent me a
sketch called Porky Pine Race, which is

824
00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:45.119
hilarious Porkyman Racetrack and I and I've
realized in the course of this that all

825
00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:50.000
of the State is currently on Paramount
plus. Yeah, so I I will

826
00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:53.000
be partaking of more of this.
So we are going to talk about a

827
00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:58.119
sketch from the State called Dan,
the very popular openly gay high school student.

828
00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:01.880
This air on February fourth, nineteen
ninety five, in the fifth episode

829
00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:07.000
of the State's third season. It
features Thomas Lennon, Kerry Kenny, Joe

830
00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:10.239
Litrulio, Michael Showalter, Ken Marino, Kevin Allison, Michael Ian Black,

831
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:14.599
and the rest of the State.
We open in the men's room with Dan

832
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:19.679
played by Thomas Lennon, not Kevin
Allison, who I fully remembered playing this

833
00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:23.480
role in this sketch, so that's
on me. He's gazing appreciatively at Joe

834
00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:28.400
Litrulio's ass. Who who is it? I mean, sure, it's right

835
00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:31.119
there. Joe's immediately like offended.
He's like, whoa are you? Are

836
00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:35.519
you looking at my ass? And
then he goes he's wondering if Dan is

837
00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:38.639
a fairy and Dan calmly says,
why, yes, yes I am,

838
00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:43.599
although I prefer the term gay.
He thought everyone knew that. And then

839
00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:46.159
Joe apologizes immediately his whole tenor changes
and he's like, I'm so sorry.

840
00:52:46.199 --> 00:52:50.480
I'm new here. I didn't know
that, and he admits that the attention

841
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:52.400
is making him blush. He's like, oh my gosh, now now I'm

842
00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:58.480
embarrassed. Then the title card comes
up Dan the very popular and openly gay

843
00:52:58.559 --> 00:53:02.199
high school student, as Dan spikes
the camera with a knowing glance. So

844
00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:07.280
we see Dan arriving at school and
a pack of athletes led by Ken Marino.

845
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:09.679
My crush on Ken Marino. Oh, I started the first day I

846
00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:15.119
saw him and has only increased over
the years. I love Ken Marino.

847
00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:20.199
He also has a milk mustache.
This entire sketch for no reason. That

848
00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:22.880
is that's the state right there.
Yes, it's the attention to detail.

849
00:53:23.239 --> 00:53:28.159
So Ken asks him mockingly if he
had fun at the gay bars last night,

850
00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:30.760
and Dan cheerly says, yeah,
I sure did. I even got

851
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:32.599
laid. I met a man and
I had sex with him, and the

852
00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:37.079
athletes congratulate him on his score and
like, look this it's going to go

853
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:42.039
very absurdist, like, this is
not the first felony that would be committed

854
00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:45.599
in this sketch if it was real. It's not real. It's fine,

855
00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:46.920
don't worry about it. Yeah,
we're gonna let go of that stuff.

856
00:53:50.239 --> 00:53:52.559
Okay. The coach who's whose hat
says coach on it, so we know

857
00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:57.239
exactly who he is, played by
Kevin Allison, calls him over and he's

858
00:53:57.320 --> 00:54:00.880
like, hey, kid, come
here. He has a bunch of dresses

859
00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:04.400
in his hand. He's like,
he's like, my wife's getting rid of

860
00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:07.920
these dresses. Do you want them? And Dan very happily explains, no,

861
00:54:08.119 --> 00:54:12.800
sir, I'm not a transvestite.
I'm just gay, and this coach

862
00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:15.480
goes, oh, okay, then
never mind, and then he high fives

863
00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:20.119
him. We got to the lunch
room. Dan is surrounded by all the

864
00:54:20.199 --> 00:54:23.440
other students who admire him, so
Michael asks him to prom. Even though

865
00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:25.880
Michael himself is not gay, he's
just dying to go to the prom with

866
00:54:25.960 --> 00:54:30.039
Dan. Dan has to turn him
down. He already has a date for

867
00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:34.559
the prom. In fact, it's
Vice principal Morgan played by Michael Showalter,

868
00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:39.440
who Kelly played by carry Kenny moans
he's a hunk of Saurus Rex and if

869
00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:45.840
carry Kenny deserved an oscar for that
line reading it is perfect. It is

870
00:54:45.079 --> 00:54:51.079
the most perfect line that has ever
been read in the history of cinema and

871
00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:57.400
television. It's so funny. Dan
and Morgan do some eskimo kisses and all

872
00:54:57.440 --> 00:55:00.199
the kids go ooh around them.
Yeah, we're gonna ignore that. We're

873
00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:05.320
gonna ignore the adult and child thing
here. We cut to the prom where

874
00:55:05.400 --> 00:55:08.599
Dan and Morgan are dancing. Dan
excuses himself to go to the bathroom just

875
00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:12.960
as the coach takes the stage to
announce that the prom King and Queen are

876
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:16.880
surprise Dan and Morgan. He says, and he's like the prom King and

877
00:55:16.920 --> 00:55:24.039
Queen Dan and vice principal Morgan.
Morgan takes the stage and he's like,

878
00:55:24.079 --> 00:55:29.039
Hey, has anyone seen Dan.
Suddenly the curtain is pulled back and we

879
00:55:29.119 --> 00:55:32.760
see Dan making out with Kelly.
Everyone is shocked. Dan comes clean.

880
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:37.039
He doesn't like having sex with men. Gasp. He told everyone he was

881
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:40.280
gay because he thought it would make
him popular, and it did. He's

882
00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:45.039
so sorry. Morgan is enraged.
He gives him a week of detention and

883
00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:47.840
stalks off Joe yells from the crowd, does this mean that you don't like

884
00:55:47.920 --> 00:55:52.159
my ass? And Dan says,
no, Joe's got a great ass.

885
00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:55.000
Everyone should appreciate each other for what
they are. And he says, now

886
00:55:55.400 --> 00:55:59.920
I've got a girl to kiss,
and he kisses Kelly, and the crowd

887
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:02.639
booze and turns on him and starts
throwing everything at them as they kiss,

888
00:56:02.679 --> 00:56:07.159
and that's the end of the sketch. Okay, well you picked this one.

889
00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:09.199
I did pick this one because I, first of all, you said,

890
00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:12.679
like, we're gonna blow past the
adult thing, which we are largely,

891
00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:15.039
But I do think it actually is
there for a reason, because the

892
00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:19.039
whole purpose of the sketch is like, flip it around and he comes out

893
00:56:19.039 --> 00:56:22.199
as gay and everyone booze. Right, So if we're gonna make him coming

894
00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:25.000
out as straight and we're gonna show
like everyone booing him and how ridiculous it

895
00:56:25.079 --> 00:56:29.320
is that anyone even cares about this, this is dumb, right, So

896
00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:32.320
I almost feel like having him dating
the vice principle. When I first heard

897
00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:37.679
it, I was like, wait, what it's like. But people get

898
00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:40.880
away with that. I mean,
it's it's generally frowned upon, but like

899
00:56:42.199 --> 00:56:45.440
but like much older men or women
date much younger men or women, and

900
00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:49.599
as long as a heterosexual pairing,
it's kind of fine. And like,

901
00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:53.679
there are lots of stories about people
that like get away with this shit,

902
00:56:53.800 --> 00:56:57.920
right, So I look, I'm
not saying it's a one to one comparison,

903
00:56:58.159 --> 00:57:00.719
and but I think they're trying to
push the OBSS as far as they

904
00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:05.639
can on the one side, you
know what I mean. Oh well,

905
00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:07.679
yeah, they're definitely pushing the assertism. I don't know that people get away

906
00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:13.599
with it. I think Mary Kayla
Turno would have some some issues with that

907
00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:19.360
one. Yeah, that's it.
They just they ratchet up the absurdism and

908
00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:22.480
it gets it just gets funnier and
funnier as it goes on. Yeah,

909
00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:24.880
when we first discussed the state,
my first thought, because we wanted to

910
00:57:25.000 --> 00:57:29.280
talk about like, we wanted to
have some gay themes, and I was

911
00:57:29.320 --> 00:57:30.280
like, well, how about we
do the jew the Italian and the Red

912
00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:35.400
Hair Day, which is classic?
But then Paul found this sketch and just

913
00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:37.519
the title of it alone, he
was like, we gotta do this que

914
00:57:37.960 --> 00:57:42.480
well, and I would I would
guess I'm only guessing, but you know,

915
00:57:42.519 --> 00:57:46.000
anytime anybody asks Dave Foley about kids
in the hall. Nobody was ever

916
00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:49.480
surprised that they had a gay one
because they thought they were all gay,

917
00:57:49.519 --> 00:57:52.519
they assumed. And I think I'm
guessing Tom Lennon gets that a lot,

918
00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:57.559
and I do find it. I
think it's fascinating that he's He's the perfect

919
00:57:57.639 --> 00:58:01.119
choice, mostly because Kevin Alison wanted
to play something hyper macho and just yet

920
00:58:01.320 --> 00:58:05.840
just twist it all at its head, which I love. Two amazing lines

921
00:58:05.920 --> 00:58:07.599
from this. At one point,
while Dan is walking down the hall,

922
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:12.159
you hear just someone in the background
go, He's like a homosexual Fonzie.

923
00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:16.639
Yeah. And then at the end
at the prom and when when Morgan goes,

924
00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:20.199
does anyone know where Dan is?
Someone shouts, I know he's not

925
00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:27.679
in the closet like borshed Belty stupid
shit, which is so funny. This.

926
00:58:28.119 --> 00:58:31.239
I love this sketch. No notes. I think overall the state probably

927
00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:35.440
ages pretty well. I haven't seen
the show as a whole in a while.

928
00:58:36.320 --> 00:58:39.039
I've seen like one off sketches.
You've probably seen it more recently.

929
00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:45.039
As far as like the stuff from
from our childhood? Does it age better

930
00:58:45.119 --> 00:58:46.840
than most? Nothing is perfect?
I know there's no way it's gonna be

931
00:58:46.840 --> 00:58:50.719
me. No, it does.
The only the only thing that's problematic,

932
00:58:50.800 --> 00:58:52.840
and it is I can't really say
to what level it is. Is it?

933
00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:57.039
There was one sketch in which Joe
Litrulio plays in Puerto Rican. He

934
00:58:57.159 --> 00:59:00.920
doesn't they don't darken him up,
he doesn't do a crazy accent, but

935
00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:04.239
he is supposed to. He is
supposed to be in this sketch Puerto Rican.

936
00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:07.119
There's not much more to it than
that. And it, again,

937
00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:09.039
like many of their sketches, is
just like about identifying race, race,

938
00:59:09.159 --> 00:59:12.559
race, race, like they're playing
some game with it. Again, I

939
00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:15.239
can't justify it. But that's the
worst of the state. It is one

940
00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:17.880
of the lesser offenders of it is
maybe the least of all of them.

941
00:59:19.079 --> 00:59:21.440
Yeah, I couldn't remember anything.
I mean, it's a bummer. There's

942
00:59:21.480 --> 00:59:25.159
only one woman out of eleven people. That's a bummer. And funny is

943
00:59:25.199 --> 00:59:28.920
the sketch that came on right after
this one in the episode was about how

944
00:59:29.039 --> 00:59:31.000
like a day in the life of
Carrie Kenny and how she cooks for them

945
00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:34.840
all and washes all their clothes and
put tucks them all into bed. Well,

946
00:59:34.880 --> 00:59:37.639
then they write all the sketches,
which is just very funny. Yeah,

947
00:59:37.639 --> 00:59:42.400
I feel like they're fairly well evolved. All right. So the final

948
00:59:42.440 --> 00:59:45.679
sketch we're going to talk about is
from The Tracy Ullman Show. It is

949
00:59:45.760 --> 00:59:51.239
called Francesca's First Job. It aired
on October eleventh, nineteen eighty seven,

950
00:59:51.280 --> 00:59:54.239
in the third episode of The Tracy
Ullmond Show second season. It features Tracy

951
00:59:54.280 --> 01:00:00.960
Allman, Dan Castelenetta, Sam McMurray, and Jacob Vargas of Romey and Michell's

952
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:02.639
high school reunion. I just want
to point that out. Oh my god,

953
01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:08.320
that's where I know him from.
Yeah, Ramo, ramon. Yes.

954
01:00:08.840 --> 01:00:13.000
I was like, he looks familiar
in this blurry YouTube video that I'm

955
01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:16.119
watching. That person look familiar.
We open on Francesca played by Tracy Ullman,

956
01:00:16.199 --> 01:00:20.480
being dropped off for her first day
at work at Viva Taco by her

957
01:00:20.519 --> 01:00:24.079
two dads, David played by castin
Aletta I cannot pronounce his name, and

958
01:00:24.239 --> 01:00:29.559
William played by McMurray. Her dads
are not so sure about her working there,

959
01:00:29.639 --> 01:00:30.440
and she's like, no, I
need a job. I need to

960
01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:35.280
learn responsibility and be an adult,
and so she shows them away. David

961
01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:37.159
asks her for a kiss goodbye,
and she initially refuses, but then she

962
01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:39.960
runs up and gives him a peck
on the cheek. It's really sweet these

963
01:00:40.079 --> 01:00:44.000
very lived in characters. Already,
this is a little different from everything else

964
01:00:44.119 --> 01:00:46.119
we've covered. This is almost like
a short play what we're about to watch.

965
01:00:47.280 --> 01:00:52.559
So Francesca reports for duty to mister
Ortega played by Jacob Vargas. We

966
01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:54.880
should note right now, Jacob Vargas
is like sixteen. He's like two years

967
01:00:54.920 --> 01:01:00.320
older than the character Tracy Allman is
playing basically uh huh. He gives her

968
01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:02.639
a uniform to change into. She
heads to the bathroom she changes. She's

969
01:01:02.679 --> 01:01:07.320
intent on being the best Francesca that
she can be. She even makes sure

970
01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:09.599
to obey the sign that employees must
wash their hands, going to the nth

971
01:01:09.679 --> 01:01:13.920
degree to make certain that her hands
are clean. When she leaves that bathroom,

972
01:01:14.119 --> 01:01:15.559
she walks out like a surgeon with
her hands up. Yeah, like

973
01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:21.920
she's ready to go to surgery.
Tracy Omens acting ability is so incredible in

974
01:01:22.039 --> 01:01:24.599
this. It's a downding. Yeah. So we cut to Francesca training on

975
01:01:24.679 --> 01:01:29.719
the job with mister Vargas. She
cracks the very simple how to make a

976
01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:31.800
taco code It's like, if you
see a picture of lettuce, yeah,

977
01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:36.719
add lettuce. If you see a
cow, add beef. She makes no

978
01:01:36.840 --> 01:01:38.599
friends with the other employees, who
think she's like a smarty pants no it

979
01:01:38.679 --> 01:01:42.880
all show off. Mister Vargas needs
someone to fill in it the cash register,

980
01:01:42.960 --> 01:01:47.639
and Francesca gets chosen since she can
add solid. He trains her on

981
01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:52.719
upselling to clients at the register,
which sets off Francesca's internal capitalism alarms.

982
01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:55.320
Francesca, if you haven't realized yet, is a bit of a proto social

983
01:01:55.480 --> 01:02:00.840
justice warrior figure in this yeah,
in this show. But she's her objections

984
01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:05.599
and she gets ready for her first
customer. A kid, an adorable child

985
01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:07.239
no more than like five, comes
over and is like, can I have

986
01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:10.719
a taco? My mom says I
was allowed to order one all by myself,

987
01:02:12.360 --> 01:02:15.079
And Francesca can't bring herself to upsell
as she was trained, and mister

988
01:02:15.159 --> 01:02:19.840
Vargas is like, ask her.
She wants extras, and he steps in

989
01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:22.400
and he gets all that sweet,
sweet cash from that little girl. He

990
01:02:22.480 --> 01:02:23.920
takes the money that she was going
to use to buy a get well card

991
01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:30.000
for Grandma to upsell her on larger
soda Francesca tells him that was awful to

992
01:02:30.039 --> 01:02:31.519
watch him do that, and he
snaps that that's why he makes forty cents

993
01:02:31.559 --> 01:02:35.480
an hour more than her, and
if she doesn't shape up, he'll see

994
01:02:35.519 --> 01:02:38.679
to it that she never works in
this town. Again, escalates very quickly.

995
01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:44.000
It threatens her hard. Yeah.
A few hours later, David and

996
01:02:44.039 --> 01:02:47.639
William reappear and admire Francesca at work. Mister Vargas immediately clocks them as gay

997
01:02:47.679 --> 01:02:52.119
and calls them munietkas, which I
had never that's dolls, right, Erica.

998
01:02:52.639 --> 01:02:54.559
I never heard that as a as
a slur for gay people in Spanas.

999
01:02:54.639 --> 01:02:58.679
It's a very gentle one. I'm
guessing they didn't want to say anything

1000
01:02:58.800 --> 01:03:01.639
more intense on time. Yeah.
Yeah, Francesca won't stand for that,

1001
01:03:01.760 --> 01:03:06.440
and she tells him that since Spanish
is not one of her three languages that

1002
01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:09.159
she speaks, she sincerely hopes that
whatever he just said meant those are the

1003
01:03:09.159 --> 01:03:13.199
two finest people who ever walked in
here. And then she says I'm taking

1004
01:03:13.280 --> 01:03:16.280
my break and stalks away. She
sits down with her dad's and she says

1005
01:03:16.320 --> 01:03:19.960
she wants to quit, and David
tells her, look, it's easy to

1006
01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:22.039
quit, but you have to follow
through on things, because follow through is

1007
01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:25.159
important, and she says she took
the job because she wanted to learn about

1008
01:03:25.159 --> 01:03:29.400
the real world, and in a
few short hours she learned that it's cold

1009
01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:31.639
and cruel and dirty and filled with
people who hate you and are mean to

1010
01:03:31.679 --> 01:03:35.639
you just because you're different. And
David goes, okay, you can quit,

1011
01:03:36.119 --> 01:03:38.159
and then they stand up to leave, and William says she picked up

1012
01:03:38.199 --> 01:03:43.880
a lot in one shift. That's
the end of the sky. Excellent turn.

1013
01:03:44.000 --> 01:03:47.039
I love the turn. This all
right, I'll start Sam McMurray as

1014
01:03:47.079 --> 01:03:52.559
a Miami vice queen is probably borderline
but funny. I'm willing to let it

1015
01:03:52.679 --> 01:03:58.119
completely go. Yeah, he's the
one that's very like flamboyantly getting right.

1016
01:03:58.400 --> 01:04:00.159
Yeah, David is the less Yeah. Well, this is how you do

1017
01:04:00.280 --> 01:04:04.760
open minded sketch comedy about homosexuals.
One is incredibly flamboyant and the other one

1018
01:04:04.920 --> 01:04:08.920
is not. You know that one
is well and one is just that's how

1019
01:04:08.960 --> 01:04:12.119
you do it. I also think
I watched I really loved this sketch,

1020
01:04:12.159 --> 01:04:15.199
and I watched a couple more Francesca's
and there there's one specifically where he gets

1021
01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:23.000
a lot deeper characterization and in that
the the let's say, indicating towards homosexuality.

1022
01:04:23.079 --> 01:04:26.320
Sam McMurray is doing completely stopped bothering
me. And I'm like, all

1023
01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:28.280
right, fine, if you're going
to do that with this, and this

1024
01:04:28.400 --> 01:04:30.519
is because there look, there are
there are a couple of swishy gays out

1025
01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:32.440
there. I don't know, I
don't know if it's going to shock anybody,

1026
01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:36.199
but we do exist, you know. And fine, Tracy Oemen's an

1027
01:04:36.239 --> 01:04:40.920
interesting one, right, it's almost
not sketch comedy. It's almost short theater

1028
01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:44.480
pieces. There's a lot that are
like that that are frankly not that funny.

1029
01:04:44.800 --> 01:04:46.119
This one at least has like good
solid jokes in it. The other

1030
01:04:46.519 --> 01:04:48.880
some of the other Francesca ones even
I'm like, well, that was a

1031
01:04:48.920 --> 01:04:53.480
beautiful scene, but it wasn't necessarily
funny. They didn't have like a but

1032
01:04:53.599 --> 01:04:56.280
a bump at the end the way
this one does. And then we should

1033
01:04:56.280 --> 01:05:00.519
also talk about the fact that this
sketch I think ages particularly well for Tracy

1034
01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:06.719
Almonds sketch. She made an entire
career out of doing basically every ethnicity on

1035
01:05:06.880 --> 01:05:12.199
her show. Here's what I'll say
about that doesn't age well. But and

1036
01:05:12.440 --> 01:05:15.320
I could be remembering it more like
with rose colored glasses. But I do

1037
01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:19.719
feel like she often came from a
place of character study and a bit of

1038
01:05:19.800 --> 01:05:28.480
generosity towards the characters. But does
that age well. So it's difficult to

1039
01:05:28.519 --> 01:05:30.840
find Tracy Allmand's sketches that actually do
age well. Every time I've seen her

1040
01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:36.639
interviewed about it, it's very like
she exists in this other dimension where she

1041
01:05:36.840 --> 01:05:41.639
can't understand why that might be offensive. Is not that people throw it in

1042
01:05:41.679 --> 01:05:44.239
her face. There's this weird thing, right, she doesn't really seem to

1043
01:05:44.320 --> 01:05:48.079
get any consequences for this. But
yeah, it's very much the sort of

1044
01:05:48.239 --> 01:05:54.440
like exactly you said, it's all
character study, and therefore she doesn't see

1045
01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:58.360
what's wrong with this. Yeah,
it's I'm also part of me is like,

1046
01:05:58.599 --> 01:06:00.320
this is not an excuse me?
Like, is it is it an

1047
01:06:00.360 --> 01:06:04.039
English sensibility that we're missing? Yes, that's like it's because she's she's English.

1048
01:06:04.239 --> 01:06:08.119
She's like, but this is what
we do, This is this is

1049
01:06:08.199 --> 01:06:12.320
the community. This is acting.
Yeah, this is yeah, this is

1050
01:06:12.400 --> 01:06:15.840
not offensive. How could it be
offensive? I'm acting, I'm in brown

1051
01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:19.719
face playing a Pakistani cab driver.
How is that offensive? She did that

1052
01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:26.400
like twenty five times. That character. That character was all and even in

1053
01:06:26.519 --> 01:06:29.840
like the late nineties, like all
the way, this wasn't just in the

1054
01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:32.599
eighties. She had that HBO show
that ran for like in the nineties,

1055
01:06:32.639 --> 01:06:36.320
and she just kept doing these characters
that were just like Latin American men,

1056
01:06:36.719 --> 01:06:41.480
and yeah, it was it was
incredible that You're right, she kind of

1057
01:06:41.519 --> 01:06:45.119
got away with it. No one
really thinks about Tracy omen and negatively you

1058
01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:48.199
used the term lived in though,
and that is like there's no doubt,

1059
01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:51.519
like these are fully fleshed out,
fucked up characters that she's doing, Like

1060
01:06:51.639 --> 01:06:56.400
they are very fleshed out. She's
thought them through, she's probably studied the

1061
01:06:56.440 --> 01:07:00.320
accent. She's done all the work, only to not realize she shouldn't be

1062
01:07:00.440 --> 01:07:04.320
doing it. It's like it's outside
of all that, like it's a ton

1063
01:07:04.360 --> 01:07:08.960
of like great work and admirable work. If only if only it had been

1064
01:07:09.000 --> 01:07:12.719
some other character she had decided to
put all that work too well, because

1065
01:07:12.760 --> 01:07:15.639
she so lived in Francesco, like
it's a fourteen year old girl, sure,

1066
01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:19.599
and like I started laughing so hard
when she confronts mister Vargas or mister

1067
01:07:19.719 --> 01:07:24.280
Ortega excuse me about like him upselling
to the girl. She goes, that

1068
01:07:24.519 --> 01:07:29.440
was a truly awful thing to see. You practically picked that little girl's pocket.

1069
01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:32.960
You have no sense of on her
like and it's completely straight faced,

1070
01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:38.760
like it's a fourteen year old being
confronted with an injustice and approaching it like

1071
01:07:38.800 --> 01:07:43.320
a child would completely and it's she's
so good the way she walks, she

1072
01:07:43.400 --> 01:07:47.639
keeps like skipping and like it's just
it's really impressive acting work. It's also

1073
01:07:47.719 --> 01:07:51.400
the era she started right the eighties, you can get away with it,

1074
01:07:51.440 --> 01:07:55.880
and then she kind of was almost
like grandfathered in into the nineties, and

1075
01:07:56.000 --> 01:08:00.239
then she tried to relaunch this show. Now it wouldn't't it wouldn't fly.

1076
01:08:00.440 --> 01:08:05.599
Frankly, it's very old timey comedy, even in nineteen eighty seven. This

1077
01:08:05.760 --> 01:08:10.719
is two years away from that Wayne's
World sketch, which obviously doesn't age wrote

1078
01:08:10.719 --> 01:08:13.719
well either, But from like Kids
in the Hall, like we discussed earlier,

1079
01:08:13.880 --> 01:08:16.279
it's not that lot far away from
the State in Living Color. It

1080
01:08:16.520 --> 01:08:21.880
feels very like nineteen sixties. She
didn't want to be a comedic actress,

1081
01:08:21.920 --> 01:08:25.479
and I mean I mentioned that in
the book, but like she didn't.

1082
01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:29.479
That wasn't her thing, and so
these were I think that's why they became

1083
01:08:29.600 --> 01:08:31.159
character studies. And like James L. Brooks was going to let her have

1084
01:08:31.239 --> 01:08:34.479
whatever the hell she wanted, So
we'll give you whatever you show, whatever

1085
01:08:34.520 --> 01:08:38.760
show you want. I interviewed some
of the writers on the show who were

1086
01:08:39.239 --> 01:08:41.960
very much like, yeah, it
wasn't my style, but it turned out

1087
01:08:41.960 --> 01:08:44.000
it was easy to write, like
you know, I did it. So

1088
01:08:44.079 --> 01:08:45.920
I got on the show and then
moved on to The Simpsons and that's where

1089
01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:49.760
the rest of my career came from. Yeah. I debated whether or not

1090
01:08:49.800 --> 01:08:54.199
to even include this in the book
because it's just it's weird. It's a

1091
01:08:54.239 --> 01:08:58.039
weird one and like I think,
if I were to teach sketch in a

1092
01:08:58.119 --> 01:09:00.279
college right now, I would be
like, here are several years of Tracey

1093
01:09:00.319 --> 01:09:02.960
Yellman's show. Can you make a
sketch out of any of these? Because

1094
01:09:03.479 --> 01:09:06.279
can you turn this into three minutes
of something workable? And not to say

1095
01:09:06.319 --> 01:09:10.680
they're not funny, because this one
was actually genuinely funny and heartfelt, very

1096
01:09:10.760 --> 01:09:15.159
sweet, but their plays there are
scenes within them. They're like scene cuts,

1097
01:09:15.199 --> 01:09:15.680
I feel like in a lot of
them, So it's just like,

1098
01:09:16.199 --> 01:09:19.479
it's not a sketch strictly. I
would like to see what somebody could do

1099
01:09:19.479 --> 01:09:24.000
if they tightened one of these up, see what they become. I think

1100
01:09:24.039 --> 01:09:27.640
I'm glad, I'm really glad you
included her though, because frankly, there

1101
01:09:27.840 --> 01:09:30.560
aren't that many women in the early
and like in the timeline that you're working

1102
01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:33.840
in right like now, it's not
so much the case, but in the

1103
01:09:33.880 --> 01:09:38.079
timeline you're working in, which is
the eighties and nineties, mostly the nineties,

1104
01:09:38.479 --> 01:09:41.399
look at the state like prime example, ten men and one woman.

1105
01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:45.000
She's a brilliant woman, but just
it's not there just aren't that many women

1106
01:09:45.039 --> 01:09:47.960
in comedy and so like. Not
only was she a woman in comedy,

1107
01:09:48.079 --> 01:09:50.720
was she was a force and she
had her own show. Yeah, and

1108
01:09:51.039 --> 01:09:58.279
she kind of like forced America to
watch like one act place. I admire

1109
01:09:58.319 --> 01:10:00.079
that. I admire that. Yeah, this is almost like old timing.

1110
01:10:00.319 --> 01:10:06.479
Roxy like FDR would have watched this
sketch, would have listened to this sketch

1111
01:10:06.520 --> 01:10:10.399
on the radio. If I have
a balanced book, it would honestly be

1112
01:10:10.479 --> 01:10:13.520
about the last ten years, because
the last ten years, obviously shit's changed,

1113
01:10:13.600 --> 01:10:15.520
and I would be able to write
about a black Lady sketch show and

1114
01:10:15.720 --> 01:10:19.479
like, yeah, which is great. It's so fucking good. I am

1115
01:10:19.600 --> 01:10:23.640
so pissed that it didn't get picked
up. I'm very upset about that because

1116
01:10:23.640 --> 01:10:26.439
it's a very good show. While
we're shouting out lady sketch shows, I

1117
01:10:26.479 --> 01:10:30.000
want to talk about Baron Espons.
Oh yeah, please Canadians, more Canadians.

1118
01:10:30.079 --> 01:10:34.079
That's the other thing. Your book
is about how basically we are Canada.

1119
01:10:34.319 --> 01:10:39.479
Huh, like Canada has taken over
our culture. I didn't realize that.

1120
01:10:39.640 --> 01:10:42.680
I guess a hockey stick. Now. That was another book I thought

1121
01:10:42.680 --> 01:10:45.520
about writing, was like just that
exact theme, but I'm like it came

1122
01:10:45.560 --> 01:10:49.479
out in this book anyway. So
yeah, our sense of humor is essentially

1123
01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:54.520
a Canadian sense of humor because of
who we've been listening to for the past

1124
01:10:54.600 --> 01:10:58.199
thirty years. All right, well, Jason, that's our show. Thank

1125
01:10:58.239 --> 01:11:00.720
you so much for coming on.
Thank you. Please tell everyone again.

1126
01:11:00.800 --> 01:11:02.800
What is the name of the book
that they're gonna go by. They're gonna

1127
01:11:02.800 --> 01:11:05.079
go pre order it right now from
the local bookstore. It is called We're

1128
01:11:05.159 --> 01:11:09.239
Not Worthy. I can't remember the
subtitle of my own book, but it's

1129
01:11:09.279 --> 01:11:13.039
at sketchcomedybook dot com, and that's
where you can. You could there's info

1130
01:11:13.159 --> 01:11:15.479
on there, including some pre order
links. Pre order it however you want.

1131
01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:18.840
But apparently pre order's help is what
I'm told. I know nothing about

1132
01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:21.479
the actual business end of this,
but go ahead pre order. That'd be

1133
01:11:21.560 --> 01:11:25.560
nice. Pre order it, enjoy
it. So once again, what's what's

1134
01:11:25.600 --> 01:11:29.720
that link again? Sketch comedy sketchcomedybook
dot com. All right, listeners,

1135
01:11:29.880 --> 01:11:33.880
thank you so much. We hope
you enjoyed this bonus episode. Erica and

1136
01:11:33.960 --> 01:11:38.920
I are going to see you on
Monday or perhaps Friday. If you're a

1137
01:11:38.960 --> 01:11:42.239
Patreon listener, we have a Patreon. Go to the patreon join our patreon.

1138
01:11:43.720 --> 01:11:45.159
Thank you so much. Jason,
I'm gonna go watch every episode of

1139
01:11:45.199 --> 01:11:57.279
mad Men now and look at you. Thank you. All right, listeners,

1140
01:11:57.600 --> 01:12:00.920
thank you so much. We're so
glad you got what am I saying?

1141
01:12:00.319 --> 01:12:03.600
All right, listeners, we I
started talking without an end of the

1142
01:12:03.640 --> 01:12:08.600
sentence. That's okay. Just just
barrel through, just keep just keep punching.

1143
01:12:08.680 --> 01:12:11.439
You can do it. Improv you
can do this, yes, and

1144
01:12:11.680 --> 01:12:14.199
yourself. You're better at improv than
me. I like a script