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How you doing out there? It's
me Tigger Am Dark Wayne Duck. It's

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me Bunker Step Bapcat. All right, y'all, did it rate your favorite

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firefly? You design the old knock
gut. My name is Jim Cummings and

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welcome to tune in. All right, Well we're here, everybody. We're

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here back tuned in with Jim Cummings, and today we have David Ramsey.

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Was give it up? What's going
on? You know him as John Diggle

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from The Arrow Versus the Flash,
Arrow, Supergirl, what else? Everything,

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the whole universe, the whole Arrow
vers Arrow verse stuff. Yeah,

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there you go. Yeah, that
was me. Yeah, that life is

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good. I was an old g
triple og on on Arrow. I was

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from the very beginning. Damn.
Do you know that I was number I

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think number five or six on the
call sheet? No way, yeah,

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man, we all we all took
him. I don't know if Steven did,

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but I think I think with me, I never seven. Yeah.

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He he was the guy I played
earl Oh yeah, oh yeah that guy,

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some white guy. Yeah, some
white dude, white dude that was

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ripped, just cut dude. It
was funny too, because it was like

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I found out how to play the
bodyguard. And I'm like, I'm playing

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that white boy bodyguard. Yeah yeah, he was shredded weak oh in twenty

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twelve shredded and I was like,
okay, I gotta get on that workout

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plane. Oh boy tis no,
no, you know what tips because well

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I wanted to get I didn't want
to get that thing. I wanted to

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get just big. I wanted to
get like a big bodyguard. Yeah yeah,

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yeah, I know that meal plan. Yeah yeah, I do too.

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Unfortunately it's me, It's just Tubby. You know, nobody's I'm not

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guarding anybody's body. I can't even
guard mine. So you're good. Oh

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man, Yeah that and that uh
that was twenty twelve. I was number

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five call sheep Man and it was
it was really the fans. It just

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fell in love with the show and
just yeah built me up. Yeah.

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Well I'm I'm I'm especially excited for
this podcast because you know, I worked

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with you. You know, I
was a PA for two years on Arrow

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six and seven, and now I
look at you, now I'm a little

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bit higher for PA. It's a
beautiful thing. It's a beautiful thing.

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No, but like you really connected
with me and like it was cool for

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me because I was just a PA, you know, and like you were

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like one of the few cast members
who actually like took time out of your

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day to like check on us and
like conversate with us, and you know,

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like that meant so much to me, you know, it really did.

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Like, yeah, it was you
know how it is. It's so

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easy to be like invisible as a
PA on set, you know, so

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it felt like really special and like
you would take the time out and like

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it felt like you really cared.
Maybe you're just a phenomenal actor, but

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no, bro, you know,
I mean I was. You know,

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my my pops A was a layman
preacher, and it was it was always

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about like just kind of like even
though even though they were very we grew

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up in Detroit seventies eighties, and
so it was it was a tough,

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tough, tough city, right,
So as as astective, you know,

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it's on the rebound, it's on
the rebound. But as tough as it

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was, they were also very warm
people and told me to always be warm,

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never forget. Yeah, So that's
just been part of the of the

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culture I was brought up in that
was a preacher, a layman preacher didn't

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have a church home church and appreciate. Yeah, yeah, that's nice.

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Yeah man, Yeah, but that
brings me back. I know it well,

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I know it well, you know, you know that whole that whole

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feeling, you know, Oscar Dyke's
dad. It was kind of like that

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around around the corner. Yeah.
And uh when I was born and raised

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young Stein, Ohio, lower east
side, lower east side, and uh,

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and we had a church and it
was one of my favorite memories as

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a little kid. They tried to
class it up and it was just it

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was stucco on the on the wall
right next to it. So they painted

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it white and then painted bricks on
it, you know, and it was

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it was the first psychedelic thing I
ever saw. And I was like six,

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you know. And uh, and
we would go and I used to

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sit on One of my favorite things
was to crawl out on on the roof

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when I was a little free and
four, I mean young and uh and

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the little Baptist church over here,
but one of the church church it was

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kind of like the basement of whatever
I forget what was above, but uh,

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you know, the reverend I can't
remember his name. With a gun

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in my head. But he would
go and everybody would go in. You

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know, we were the only white
people in the neighborhood, and they would

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everybody would go in. They were
all spiffy and all looking good and everything,

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and everybody come out all sweating and
with the fan, yes, fan,

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and the program doing the fan.
Yeah, that's what they're do.

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And I thought, man, that's
cool stuff. Yeah man, you know,

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yeah, you learned. Yeah,
just it was. It was cool

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upbringing just yes, yes, you
know, just opposed kind of raised up

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like that and then kind of just
opposed against the backdrop of Detroit at the

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time, which was, uh,
you know, hip hop was doing his

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thing and just what was happening in
the city and it was still coming out

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of just what the what what White
flight and the Riots did and that's oh

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yeah, six and fifties. So
it was a tough place, man,

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but you know, I love it. I always go back. Yeah every

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year. Mom's still there. Dad
left in twenty fourteen, but mom,

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brothers, sisters, everybody's still there. Man's just it's nice, you know,

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yeah, yeah, awesome people.
City is just fantactic, is growing

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again. So it's just great.
Man. Knock on one I know,

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well that that's how Youngstown was.
I mean, Youngstown was like little Detroit,

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you know, And and it was
because we had steel mills, y'all

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had cars. Yeah, and it
was you know, the cars started driving

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away and the steel mills drove away
and they still are gone, and young

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Stown just sitting there being sad.
I'm sorry, but it's bouncing back anyway.

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But yeah, so yeah, Youngstown, Ohio. Yeah, I used

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to be down Ohio. Get down
to Sandusky. Oh yeah, see the

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point point, Yeah, don't sleep. Yeah. We were just talking about

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everybody and they'd like six flags by
now you still better than he's an honorary

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communist, I think so. Yeah, No, I see the point is

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bad ass. I loved it.
It was great. My son is twelve,

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and I'm like, we're gonna go
back there to Detroit, driver everybody

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down to see the point to show
you what a real roller coaster. Sandusky.

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Yes, I think they have like
eight yeah, eight of them,

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and they had the record for a
while. They had like the highest or

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fastest for a while. Yes,
And it was just like, well it

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always goes back and forth between Magic
Mountain and Cedar Point for who has the

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most rolls in the world, really
in the world. Yeah, it's a

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bit of trivia. Yeah, yep, yep, yeah, yeah, so

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they're always duking it. I think
six Flags is one right ahead of them,

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right, so we can't sleep with
six Flags either, you can't sleep.

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No, no, you gotta get
one of those vomit bags from the

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airline to bring it with you justin
oh man. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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well that's good times though. Well, something I wanted to bring up just

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I'm looking, you know here at
your your career and what really took me

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back was you played Muhammad Ali in
a movie. Yeah, yeah, that

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was back that was two thousand and
one or so. Okay, Ali obviously

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the big Ali Ali you think about
his his obviously Wills and Michael mans that's

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as well you should but me and
and Terence and again back to the movies

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of the week, because that was
the bread and bug back in you know,

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literally two thousands and late nineties.
It was just like even I mean

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went really well before that. They
were all over the place. So there

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was a movie of the week for
ABC, ye of my Hmlali's Life,

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and a movie of the Week of
Ali's Life for Fox. Terrence Howard did

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the one for ABC, and I
did the one for Fox, and obviously

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Will did Michael Mans and went to
Africa. Cool where No kidding, I

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did not go to Africa. I
was joking. Damn, well, you

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know, but here's what's funny.
I did another movie in Africa when Will

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was shooting that movie, which was
an interesting thing. Yep, but that's

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another story. So no, we
shot it here. We shot we shot

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Ali here and came out I think
two thousand and two thousand and one,

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one of them. And it was
Ali the American hero was nice. It

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was it was I thought it was
decently done, yea, and but he

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just you know, Michael Man,
Will Smith, what are you gonna do?

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That's you couldn't Yeah, couldn't challenge
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I look at what Will it's funny
too because I met I met uh.

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I met Will at a party when
he was training. We're both training and

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just big, yeah, he got
big, sexy, just just just got

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at Lea's bone structure and big.
And I was like, yeah, well

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you know what, he got the
hair, he got the hair, he

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got the hair right, he got
the hair right, he did. I

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was like, I'm playing at Thomas
Hearns. He playing Mummad. He was

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big, he was a big boy. Yeah. Well if he hadn't seen

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his shadow, you go, oh, hell, I know who that is.

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You know that was true? Yeah, he was. That was cool.

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You're right. He did get the
hair, he got the whole thing.

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Man, he did it. He
did it. Yeah. Terrence Howard

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playing Muhammad, interesting take, yeah, interesting take. Yeah. So we

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we both had MW's and Will had
the big feature that was long. You

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brought it back when I was like
I was over twenty years ago. Well,

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Jim's a big boxing fan, so
I wanted to bring up kind of

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oh you're fighting background boxing and yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

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yeah yeah boomboo man Sen he's a
buddy. Man Dunstown, Ohio was a

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big as you know. Oh god, yeah, look at that telling me

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the hit Man, hit Man Man
Hearns, oh special delivery. Speaking of

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speaking of hit Man, hit hit
Girl, I think that was a cartoon,

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wasn't it, hit Girl? Yeah? I think it was. When

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did you start When did you start
doing vos via mid eighties the mid eighties

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for you, Yeah, yeah,
the mid eighties. It was the first

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one I ever did was Dumb Disney
Disney Channel Dumbo Circus and it was on

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Disney Channel. Disney Channel was like
they had like eight shows, yeah you

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know, and uh one of them
was Welcome to Pooh Corner, which I

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was not in. And and then
they then they kind of kept branching out

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and and I just it was the
first audition I ever had, and I

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lucked out. I got the job. So I was like, Okay,

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you know, I'll just quit my
job. And I was making like eight

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hundred bucks a week doing that for
four hours. And I was making four

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hundred bucks a week doing it for
fifty hours, you know, working at

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the video store. So I went, so I did my math. Being

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the genius I have, I'm gonna
do this. I'm gonna do so.

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So yeah, now I get to
hang out with you. You did you

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worked at a video store? Oh
yeah, I worked at a video store

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too. Oh man. That was
kind of the thing, you know,

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the video stores. Don't mean,
I don't know how Blockbuster did it because

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it was the porn section that made
the money. Oh that could be.

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I wouldn't know anything about that.
No, it was it was twenty twenty

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video they're now defunct. I meant
video stores isn't defunct at this point.

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Yeah, yeah, that's right,
but yeah it was. That was the

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section that all the other stuff.
You're like, how does that's how they

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kept we kept the door. Well
I can. I can remember like like,

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you know, a guy would come
in with his family and you know,

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during the day, and you know
they'd be renting you know, like

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Raiders of the Lost Arc or some
g raiding you know, something like that

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little sofa for dad'd be back in
an hour later. I'm gonna go over

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here and I'm gonna give me one
knew would not come back. Don't tell

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the kids, and I go,
oh, get out here going, you

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know. I was like, okay, okay, because they had some not

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much, but yeah, and now
they're all gone. Now it's like,

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uh, you know, sentimental journey
time. Yeah. And the adult section

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would always be like in like a
curtained off little back corner. Yeah,

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oh yeah, go through. That
was what you had because I remember I

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was never allowed in there. I
was always like, what's there? Looked

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at the curtain right on, Yeah, what is that? There ain't no

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attention to the man behind the look
that the way there's nothing to see here.

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Yeah, yeah, okay, baby
something. So how long have you

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been doing cons because that's like a
whole new critter, Well not new,

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definitely not new, but it's a
new avenue from from an offshoot, right,

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because you you did this, you
would Vodacious and this, this,

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this and this, and then they
go off the air, you know,

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not a production anymore. Now you're
sitting there looking at reruns and I look

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at this as kind of like post
reruns, you know. I mean,

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it's a new avenue. Yeah,
yeah, it's a it's a new avenue,

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and it's I don't know, man, But now it's like does it

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do these things ever really go out
of star? Right? I mean?

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Is the audiences we did this?
We did a we're here and in mont

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Creol and just did a convention obviously, and uh, me and Stephen we're

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we're we had a panel, right, and we're behind stage and MC goals

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out there and he's like, you
know, these two guys, blah blah

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blah, and just let him here
at David Rams Stephen, and it sounds

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like there were twenty thousand people out
there, but we just we just looked

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at each other, like what we
went out there and there was damn near

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twenty thousand people out there, right, I mean it's not that big,

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it was packed, and it was
just like, folks are We're still at

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this point still saying wow, you
know. I mean, obviously it feels

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you with a lot of gratitude,
but also there's just the wow factor of

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people are still on it, people
still want to see They're just still part

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of the fandom. Yeah. So
before Arrow, there was a show I

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did called dext and Dexter Dexter,
Oh remember that, and and they they

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began doing the I had an opportunity
to go with them, but I was

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I was a guest star on that
show we did. I did a couple

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of seasons. That's cool, So
I didn't really it was a good show.

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It was a great show. It
was a great show, really good

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and master acting class. Working with
Michaels Hall just watching him was like just

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forget about it. And they went
out once and then Arrow came and it

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just changed everything. It just changed
everything. Yeah, absolutely, So I

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started probably in twenty thirteen, twenty
fourteen, a couple of years, probably

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twenty fourteen. The show was on
the air for a couple of years,

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and I started, yeah, yeah, yeah, but that's when it started

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to click. That's when it started
to click. Yeah. And I wasn't,

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you know, just I didn't you
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folks and Star Trek that did it. M oh yeah, you know.

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I mean I didn't really have much
of a niu who did cons And I

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was like, oh you don't.
It's getting bigger and bigger and bigger.

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Yeah. I was so stupid.
The first one I did, I didn't

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bring any pictures. I didn't bring
it. We'd like to invite you to

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the convention. And I said,
huh, what is that again? Now,

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well, you know, folks come
here and they do this and then

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they like your stuff and you know, and and you can buy comic books

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now. But oh hell yeah,
okay, now you're seeing now I can.

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I'll be there, you know.
And and I realized that and there

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was like a million people there.
And the reason there was a million people

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there was because I wasn't charging ten
cents for nothing. And that lasted one

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con. Yeah wait, I could
sell it. Oh oh oh, we're

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getting some pictures. We're getting you
know, So I don't know, you

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know, it was it was kind
of a not route awakening, but it

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was a shock because it was like
a whole new area, an old new

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I don't know, revenue stream not
to be crass about it, but well

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nothing it is, but but it
is it is vs. What it am.

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So you know, I'll take it
right. Yeah, And I guess

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let me talk about revenue streams.
I guess we should really be thinking about

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that that now with the strike.
Yes, we're stricken right now. Now

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does that affect Yeah, that affects? How does that affect veal? Well,

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apparently according to the guys, I'm
only doing a show right now,

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and it's a Mickey Mouse funhouse.
Uh. And I'm Pete will do you

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go buddy? You know, the
big cat who always beats up everybody or

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tries to And you know, I
think we're kind of on the sidelines here.

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We're in the gray area. But
my my thing is I don't want

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to step on anybody's toes because all
this weird stuff and it's all the AI.

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I would you know, I'm not
even qualified to speak about it,

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to be honest with you, because
you know I had a brush with that

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years ago when when I did of
all things, we were talking about earlier.

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It was a it was a doll, and it was a very highly

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articulated doll. And his eyebrows moved, and his nose and his mouth and

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he kind of arms went a little
bit like this, and he spoke to

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you and he told stories. It
was winning the Pooh. And uh,

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I had to say every name,
and I mean every name, like twenty

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six thirty thousand names, and it
took, yeah, and it took forever,

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and and it was it was definitely
artificial intelligence, because I was artificially

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intelligent and uh and and so we're
going on and we go through all the

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names. For some reason, we
were in the d's and the esses forever

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Dushooki du show me Dashah Shah and
then Taka Chazuni Shenzi. You know,

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poo is just sitting there talking away
because and it would be well I went

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down to the river to see my
friend Sheboygan and you know, and they

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would put the name in it,
and it was just and we were there

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forever in a day, and it
was kind of artificial intelligence, which is

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what we're doing now and Brave New
World man. And it's I mean,

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it's the specifics of it. I
think we're gonna get into as SAG members

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just what it all means. But
it's just I think I heard Whitney Houston

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sing a tupucs long the other day. WHOA and she and they're both gone

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and she is not doing it live. Yeah, that's right or anything else

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live. It's it's wow, aim
and and I'm exaggerated. It was Whitney

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Houston. I don't don't think it
was a tupacs long, but it was

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some It was some song that they
that she was that they auto officially programmed

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her voice to cover it, and
it was Whitney Houston. You understand it

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like it was Whitney Houston. It
was like wow. And my son,

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this was last year. My son
told me, speaking of hip hop.

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My son asked me, what if
I was writing a rap song whatever,

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what would it be? And I
was like, I don't know. He

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was like, just just tell me
what. I was like, It'll be

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about how I grew up in Detroit
whatever. He said, great, how

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you went to school there? And
I was like, yeah, oh he

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put that in too mixed maaster.
It made like four different paragraphs to a

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beat. A hip hop song.
That's insane. That was last year.

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That's insane. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, you know what I mean.

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And it seemed it feels like AI
in the last four or five months just

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left like eight generations. It feels
like yeah yeah right, it just seems

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like it just overnight, just turned
on and it was like so it's like,

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wow, they're able to do this
stuff. Man, it's crazy.

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Like I've heard stories online, you
know, and like there's lawsuits. You

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know, some of these actresses,
you know, famous actresses, they're getting

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their facial likeness copied and then paste
it onto like pornographic actresses, you know.

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So it looks like this celebrity is
making a sex tape and then they're

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like what is this? You know, it's like defamation everything like that.

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And that's what you mean. That
wasn't Angelina Jolie what you bought it?

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I feel so cheated. Oh man, that's painful. Yeah, that's the

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deep fake. So now what it
is uncharted territory. I think that's why

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we're going through all this right now. You know, everybody's trying to figure

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it out, and like anything,
you know, you're gonna have two groups,

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you know, one one groups trying
to get over on the other and

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then the others keep it for themselves, and you know, it's it's quite

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interesting. Boy, Thank god.
No one wants to look like my ass.

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And that's for you know, we
could do Jim. No, that's

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but your voice is out there so
much. That's now that I'm not too

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crazy. Yeah, because that tell
you tell me you're dead. How many

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thousands of hours of you speaking are
there out there? Oh yeah, in

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multiple tons of materials. Yeah,
well that's that's like that one lady told

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me, she said, we want
you to do phone ms now. And

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you know what phone m is.
I don't know. I've never heard of

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it. And I like and and
and st and smoot and you know,

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and it's just and it's all these
little things that you could put together to

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make a word. And then once
you can put together and make a word,

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now you can work on a sentence. Now you work on a paragraph.

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Now you got a whole story.
And they didn't pay me or you

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podcast links. In the description of this

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show, I mean just getting back
to the kids. And I think they

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may have mixtured my twelve year old, but yeah, yeah, yeah,

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but just getting back to him.
What are his kids? I mean,

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we can talk about him and it's
gonna be crazy. Well, what hit?

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What are my grandkids? Yeah?
Like, I can't even imagine because

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the stuff my my boy's talking about
twelve. I was talking to some at

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the commentction of somebody else about this, Like, you know, they have

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these things in their hands, these
computers in their freaking hands. Man,

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all day, right, you're trying
to do what we were doing and get

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outside and throw something and cut God
forbid, you know, get outside me

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say just go just get out on
the house. And it's like I'm on

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old right, But it's like but
but I have to say this. My

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son at twelve is able to talk
about stuff I will not even talk about.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He understands politics. He knows

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what a black and white hole in
space is and can explain to you what

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it is. The difference like I
didn't know, Like he's talking to me

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about this stuff, and it's like
I didn't know this until I was fifteen,

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sixteen, seventeen. I don't know
what now? What? What was

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it again? Difference between yeah Jesus
and I don't understand what it is.

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I didn't even know there was white
holes. I knew about because Disney made

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a movie called The Black Hole.
That's the only reason I knew about that

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from from way back because my first
time hearing about a white hole, Yeah,

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I think a black I think,
no, the white holes on the

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golf course. That's what he's talking
about now, he's talking about his space.

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Bro. I think a black hole
is is is uh singular? Right?

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The gravity is so strong that light
can escape, that's right. Yeah.

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And I think a white hole is
opposite that. It's like pushing everything

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away. It's I think maybe that's
where you come out on the other side.

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Yeah, maybe on the other side
of the black hole. Yeah.

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Yeah, it's like a wormhole maybe. Yeah. Yeah, who knows.

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Okay, my brain. I got
a headache. I have to go.

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I gotta lay down. Yeah,
we need a twelve that's a yeah Jesus,

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Yeah, yeah, I give it. Well, you know, technology

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is I remember seeing the graph a
long time ago, and it was the

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technology from the you know, like
the twelve hundreds goes like this. If

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it's on a graph and it kind
of goes like this, then it hits

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the nineteen hundreds and it goes like
that. Yeah. You know, we

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went from you know, my my
grandpa got rest his soul. He was

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born. I was I was one
of the youngest grandkids, and you know,

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and he was old, his grandpa, and he went from horse and

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buggy to men walking on the moon. Yeah. Now you think about that.

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Yeah, I mean, no,
no cars, a horse and buggy

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that I mean actual no, damn, Henry Ford. Probably he was getting

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around to being born. Yeah,
you know, but he didn't. He

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didn't have any cars. He wasn't
selling forwards. Yeah, you know,

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and and I may think about that
and I and I remember telling him this

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when I was a kid. I
was like, I said, Grandpa,

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do you know that you are in
the most unique generation I'm in my little

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brain. Ever He goes, what
the hell is that supposed to me?

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And I said, no, no, it's good. It's good, you

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know, because he used to raise
chickens and I would hang out with him.

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I thought he was cool as hell, you know, and uh,

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you know him and all of his
chickens, and and I said, well

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you when you because I there was
a picture of him on a buckboard like

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when he was like eight or something, you know, and he was excuse

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was the board on? What a
buckboard? But you know, like,

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oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, you know.

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And he had a mule. The
mule was pulling him and he was sitting

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on at and I thought that was
cool. And I said, and you

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know, last week somebody went to
the moon and you you went from no

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cars being lugged around by a mule, two people bouncing around on the mid

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and Megan MTV commercials, Yeah,
that's Yeah, that's crazy. That's a

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generation that will never be duplicated.
It's crazy. I wanted to I wanted

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to ask both of you, like
to me, you know, it's no

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mystery that technology is just getting exponentially
different, but like what was to me?

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It seems like the difference between the
eight the like nineteen eighty and two

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thousand, you know, like how
much change in that time versus two thousand

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to twenty and twenty. You know, I feel like if you take those

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two different eras of time, you
know, can you guys speak to that

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it was the twenty years? Have
you been dealing with two thousand and two

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thousand? Oh? The sketch is
still kicking my ass? So you know,

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okay, look at this, you
know, because even for me,

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like I'm thirty two and it feels
like I can't even keep up anymore.

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Yeah, yeah, you know,
and like I felt like I was on

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the cutting edge when I was younger, you know, and maybe that's just

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something that comes with youth, you
know, because like I think these kids

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are showing us everything. You know. I'm sure your sons you know,

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Oh yeah, I think it was
you know, I can't you know,

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who am I but just as a
consumer, I think it was analog to

409
00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:34.440
digital, right. I think when
when everything went from rabbit ears on a

410
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:41.039
television to digital and now you can
beam anything everywhere, I just think it

411
00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:47.240
gets I think that's that was probably
the biggest Just what the digital age.

412
00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:52.799
Yeah, everything kind of went digital
and you can be tracked any if you're

413
00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:57.759
digital, you could be found period, and analog takes you off the grid.

414
00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:02.519
So once once that whole rid changed, I think where this You know,

415
00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:06.400
you cannot leave the grid now if
you're digital, you're on the grid.

416
00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:08.759
Yeah, you know, And I
think that kind of just changed everything.

417
00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:11.920
Just yeah, and I mean different
industries, it all changed. But

418
00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:18.920
I think surveillance and how you can
reach people point no kidding, Well you

419
00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:21.480
know they say you can't put the
genie back in the bottle. Yeah,

420
00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:26.920
yeah, and the genie is out. Yeah it is. It is fascinating,

421
00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:30.559
it really is. You mentioned you
had a twelve year old son.

422
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:33.880
Yeah, does he does he watch
any streamers or YouTubers? You know,

423
00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:37.440
does he introduce you to that world
at all? He introduced me to the

424
00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:41.960
anime world. Okay, okay,
he's an anime o, big, of

425
00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:45.680
course he is. They all are
I don't do anime, so the hell

426
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:52.359
with anime? How about that?
I had an anime? Antime? Sorry

427
00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:57.240
anyway different, it was right over
the plate you had. Yeah, I

428
00:29:57.279 --> 00:30:02.480
know that's an embarrassing I'm gonna go
late down, but uh yeah, it's

429
00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:06.200
I don't know. No, he
loves it. Yeah, oh I know,

430
00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:08.599
deeply into anime. Yeah I know. Yeah, because Jim has some

431
00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:15.960
teenage daughters as well. Yeah in
anime. Yeah, inexplicably inexplicably exactly like

432
00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:18.720
I didn't. I don't see.
Well, look I love it. I

433
00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:21.680
love it because he loves it.
He got me into it, sure,

434
00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:25.359
but I it was kind of a
brain cramp at first, Like he was

435
00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:27.599
like, okay, it's cool,
all right, great, yeah, are

436
00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:32.920
we done? Are we done?
Yeah? Yeah great one punch man got

437
00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:36.480
it, you know, forgot like
me because you know, I like working

438
00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:38.480
for Disney your hand of barbar and
Marvel anything. You know, when when

439
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:44.920
you or I or anybody does,
it's really that they're really articulated and their

440
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:48.839
lips are moving at the right tap
but animate, like oh no, yeah,

441
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:52.680
oh now what you know, and
and you're going, what what that

442
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:56.400
hurts my head? Yeah? I
can't why is his why are his lips

443
00:30:56.440 --> 00:30:59.200
moving? And there's no sound?
Oh? There it is. Yeah,

444
00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:03.640
I don't know. Yeah, it
had to my son had to kind of

445
00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:04.799
walk me into it. I had
to go through yeah, yeah, anime

446
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:07.559
one on one, and then once
I got into it, I'm like,

447
00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:08.480
oh, it's kind of dope.
I see the art, I see the

448
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:12.440
story. It's dope. I see
it. And now you know we're playing,

449
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:18.400
we're fighting each other in games,
and what games do you play?

450
00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:22.480
Well? My son told me that
I have to call this the game that

451
00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:25.680
shall not be named? Okay,
which is it? The game that shall

452
00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:27.000
not be named? Okay? It's
a mystery, No, it's not,

453
00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:30.200
it's not. It's not a mystery. It's the biggest game out there.

454
00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:33.119
But he's twelve. But he's like, it's kind of played out now,

455
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:37.119
so I don't even want Fortnight of
course. Yeah, yeah, of course.

456
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:38.440
And he's like, I don't really
want people to know I'm playing it

457
00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:44.599
over that. You like what you
like, dude, And he's still like

458
00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:48.079
getting skins. I'm like this,
skids are hard, dude, Like dope,

459
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:51.680
mine, And I'm like, I
don't know Fortnite, you know,

460
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:56.079
So it's like, yeah, it's
great. Yeah, have you done any

461
00:31:56.119 --> 00:32:00.519
of those games? I have not? And yeah, do you get requested

462
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:04.920
for voices? Do you do voices? It's weird because people ask me that

463
00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:12.960
all the time and no, yeah, nothing but crushing yeah yeah, you

464
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:17.119
know you you know yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know he's

465
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:21.640
killing Yeah. Yeah. It's just
crazy the evolution because even you know,

466
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:24.720
talking even with Nolan yesterday, you
know, like Nolan and my dad tech

467
00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:29.240
video games. Yeah, like in
such a different capacity, you know,

468
00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:31.559
because my dad's doing the motion capture
and all that. Like you know,

469
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:35.799
they're performing in a void. You
know, they're in like the room with

470
00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:38.400
the black suits and the white thoughts
all over them, so they're like really

471
00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:44.079
acting out the scenes. So it's
yeah, like it's not necessarily like traditional

472
00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:46.000
voice over, you know. Yeah, it's almost like a new medium.

473
00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:50.960
And yeah, you know, like
you know how Disney and Marvel a lot

474
00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:53.200
of body language, you know,
where like actors are in a void now

475
00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:58.839
and it's like a big like three
sixty digital space where it's like you're burst

476
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:01.799
into this world and it's like,
you know, it's almost movies are becoming

477
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:06.480
almost like video games with the amount
of animation you know, go watch The

478
00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:10.200
Avenger three quarters that that's going to
be CGI animation. Yeah, no kidding.

479
00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:15.480
And then video games are becoming so
cinematic it's interesting for me to see

480
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:20.720
where they're meeting in the middle.
Yeah. But also the video game industry

481
00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:27.519
is three times as big as the
film industry, like three times as much.

482
00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:30.759
I mean, if you think about
it, a video games what seventy

483
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:36.880
nine dollars and there's I bought red
I bought Red Dead Redemption multiple times,

484
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:39.200
you know, and like if I
go to see a movie in a theater,

485
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:45.039
they're getting what thirty dollars out of
me, and then five dollars when

486
00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:46.920
I buy it on Amazon Prime.
You got thirty five dollars out of one

487
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:51.440
movie from one customer. Red Dead
Redemption got two hundred fifty dollars out of

488
00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:54.319
me. And that's not even including
micro transactions you know, within the game,

489
00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:58.480
but the game, you know,
like you know, buying skins,

490
00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:01.319
you know I'm gonna pay and they're
not cheap. I know they're not.

491
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:07.559
I still on my bill, Like
it can I get I know he's twelve,

492
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:14.320
but dah, I can I get
an kill? Kind of get another

493
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:16.039
scared right here? How you call, well, there's a whole pack weight

494
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:23.760
ninety nine. Oh man, Yeah, Create a Monster billion dollars, multileble,

495
00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:29.880
billions of dollars, most highest video
game of all time, and it

496
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:34.480
costs nothing to play, costs nothing. It's a free to play game.

497
00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:39.159
And it's the highest grossing video game
of all time because of those skins,

498
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:45.159
because everybody buys those skins and everything
within the game. It's almost like collecting,

499
00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:50.079
you know, anything cars. It's
just a digital version now, you

500
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:52.199
know, we all collected that.
What did you collect when you were young?

501
00:34:52.880 --> 00:35:00.719
Jesus? Yeah, but comics just
thousands, it's a comic and you

502
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:02.880
still to do this, still do
Yeah? I got him sitting over here.

503
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:07.679
You still the comics? Oh yeah, Yeah, I'm a Marble guy,

504
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:14.159
some Batman, Batman and Marvel Batman, and yeah that's the only DC

505
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:16.760
character you're gonna take. Yeah,
well, Superman every now and then,

506
00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:20.719
because I mean Superman, he can
do any goddamn thing in the world.

507
00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:24.199
Yeah, you know Davids, You
know, David d I grew up on

508
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:27.920
X Man, I grew up on
Next Man. But yeah, yeah,

509
00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:31.400
I grew up on xt Man and
yeah, but I mean Spider Man and

510
00:35:31.400 --> 00:35:37.559
Batman. Yeah, I mean DC
was there first for me. Yeah,

511
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:40.119
you know, for for for me, I guess whatever age group I'm in,

512
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:44.559
but it was, you know,
I just had tons of Batman,

513
00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:49.760
tons of Superman and uh and Green
Lantern and I used to think was pretty

514
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:55.880
cool too. And Green Arrow was
cool because he didn't have superpower, you

515
00:35:55.920 --> 00:36:00.840
know, he was just really good
and and I used to think, Wow,

516
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:06.119
Okay, that's cool that you're really
good at with the bow and arrow.

517
00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:09.239
You know, people do have guns. You can get a rifle.

518
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:14.400
Yeah, you'd probably be pretty good
at a rifle, you know, on

519
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:15.559
your back instead of that ball.
Yeah, you know, I mean the

520
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:20.440
bow is cool. And he would
always my favorite thing was when he would

521
00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:23.119
have trick arrows. Yeah you know, yeah. Yeah. We did a

522
00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:25.599
little episode one time. I think
it was I'm trying to remember what it

523
00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:30.880
was, but in homage to that, there was a scene where Stephen was

524
00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:36.280
fighting some folks in a boxing green
he put the arrow inside of the glove.

525
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:40.920
Wait. Yeah, because that was
a big thing in the old comic

526
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:45.119
book, like he would have a
like, yes, a glove, I

527
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:47.599
remember that, That's what I'm saying, Yeah, you know, and it

528
00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:52.440
would be like oh no, and
stupid Joe Frazier gloves sitting on the end

529
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:57.599
of this thing, you know,
like, uhh yeah, that's fun Joe.

530
00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:00.880
Yeah. And it was like the
as of a beer can quiver that

531
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:04.400
he had, right, So where'd
you get that from? And he never

532
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:08.440
ran out of arrows? Never never
ran out of arrows. Oh man.

533
00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:14.360
The digital world gave him unlimited supply
of arrows. Yeah yeah right, yeah

534
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:16.480
because on set. Explain how they
would film like a shooting of an error

535
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:20.760
on set because I know him,
Yeah, that was all not real.

536
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:23.079
Yeah, so wait a minute,
are you? But there was like a

537
00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:29.079
specific process there was. They would
he would uh Stephen would draw back wherever

538
00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:32.639
it was firing, will draw back, and then they would take an arrow

539
00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:38.679
and walk it through the scene so
they could track it and make it do

540
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:43.519
whatever they wanted to. Holy Robin
Hood. Yeah man, they would like

541
00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:46.679
walk it through lam It would Wow, I'm an arrow walking through the scene.

542
00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:52.360
Wow. Yeah, how'dy how'd they
hide the hand? Day? I

543
00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:57.599
think I think they I think they
need to just ref It was just like

544
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:00.280
okay, yeah, just a reference. So it was a stunt arrow,

545
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:04.039
Yeah, it was, it was. I I don't know it was a

546
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:07.760
stunt arrow yeah Jesus, But yeah, you know, it's all digital.

547
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:13.280
Man, it's all going back to
Sue. Do you think do you think

548
00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:14.960
that's a good or a bad thing? Both of you? Oh, it's

549
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:16.920
great. I think it's I think, like you said, we can't put

550
00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:21.400
the toothpaste back in the bottle.
It has to go. It has to

551
00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:23.199
move forward. Man, we have
to keep moving forward. But do you

552
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:27.960
think we have to abandon practical effects
for that? No? No, I

553
00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:30.440
think that's the challenge, right,
I mean, even with the strike,

554
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:37.199
I think, uh yeah, the
challenge. You know you might hear from

555
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:39.480
this from the production companies. Well, we don't know how this is going

556
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:42.719
to shake out. We don't know
what AI is going to turn into.

557
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:45.599
Yeah, that's the point. Yeah, that's that is the point. We

558
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:50.559
don't know, So how do we
protect ourselves against the things we don't know?

559
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:53.400
And that's that's tough, But that's
what that's what the process is.

560
00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:57.079
That's where we are. So I
wouldn't say, hole back to the future,

561
00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:00.360
you have to, but it's we
have to take our time and talk

562
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:02.039
exactly. Yeah. Yeah, we
just can't. Yeah, but there's no

563
00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:05.039
stopping it. There's no stop.
No, no, no, no,

564
00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:07.320
there's no stopping it. You know, there's no stopping getting the And I

565
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:10.039
it's funny too, I told I
told my my son's mother. I was

566
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:13.679
like, you know, before he
got the iPad, can you start playing

567
00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:15.280
row blocks first? Right? That
was his first step start started playing.

568
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:21.000
I remember that. Yeah. And
and I gave I gave him the and

569
00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:23.159
I said, you know, once
we give him and introduce him to the

570
00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:28.679
gaming world, once we introduce him
to that, bye bye this you see

571
00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:32.400
tomorrow let's sitting on the floor playing
with him. And and and that's right,

572
00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:37.159
it's a rap Yeah, it's a
rap by Yeah, you're right about

573
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:40.360
that. That I do lament that. That's why you know. I'm I'm

574
00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:45.440
I'm glad they're frisbees out there,
you know. Can we do a frisbee?

575
00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:50.239
Let's do that. I have frisbee
used to be the joint that used

576
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:52.519
to be it, you know what
I mean, running trying to catch it,

577
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:57.599
throw it from over the back floor. Yeah. That and kites.

578
00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:00.639
I was a big kite guy.
Yeah, I don't know why. It

579
00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:02.119
was just seemed like a lot of
fun. It was get that thing up

580
00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:06.880
there and then you know here and
I hold this, that's just stand there

581
00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:09.599
for an hour. Yeah, you
know, you know, okay, good,

582
00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:12.400
all right, we're good. Now
we can go home. Now.

583
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:14.880
Now I've been back in in the
in Ohio. You get the same thing

584
00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:21.280
I did, those those ice storms, Oh, the whole streets. Yeah,

585
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:23.079
l boys don't know nothing about that. And then and then what would

586
00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:27.840
happen is it would get warm during
the afternoon for about an hour and a

587
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:30.840
half, and the ice would melt
on the roof and come down and then

588
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:35.800
start pouring over the gutter. And
then it turned into five hundred pounds of

589
00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:38.639
ice and then broke and then it
broke together. And then and then my

590
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:46.000
grandpa and my dadd Are that god
damn son me that god damn everything came

591
00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:52.639
from you exactly? Yeah, yeah, god damn it. Goddamn you know,

592
00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:55.440
everything came from the same company,
the goddamn company. You know it

593
00:40:55.519 --> 00:41:00.519
was? Yeah, okay, was
it? You want the god damn wrencher,

594
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:05.480
the goddamn screw driver? Why are
you teaching that? Boy? Watch?

595
00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:07.320
I mean, I wash your mouth
out. But he said he wanted

596
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:14.760
the goddamn one, you know,
like, yeah, yeah, we'll break

597
00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:16.840
out, we'll break out the sled. We never took the sled, you

598
00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:20.480
know, to something. You have
a sled in the garage. We'd have

599
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:22.440
a garage. You had to look
a little shit in the back. Ye.

600
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:24.920
So we had we had the sleds
back there. But the sleds were

601
00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:28.880
for the streets. When he turned
the ice like you would think as kids

602
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:30.920
going to go out to the park
or something to get up some ice,

603
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:36.840
some frozen pond. Nope, go
down the street, bro, Yeah for

604
00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:40.239
the ice. Oh god. And
I remember we had a coal furnace.

605
00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:45.159
So what would happen now. Nobody
in the world is gonna know what I'm

606
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:50.239
talking about now unless you're like my
age, and and it was, you

607
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:52.599
know, you you throw the coal
in the furnace, light furnace, it

608
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:58.800
burns, it house smells like coal, and uh, but they don't.

609
00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:02.679
It doesn't turn into a complete ash
like a charcoal does. It turns into

610
00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:07.199
what they call clinkers, and it
looks like Martian rocks. And you had

611
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:14.000
to clink and you had to grind
on the thing to grind in through the

612
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:16.159
clinkers and they would go like this, and then you could put more coal

613
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:20.679
in to get more clinkers. And
all that stuff fell down there. You

614
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:25.000
waited till it cooled off. Then
you got a big stupid of shovel and

615
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:29.960
put it in a barrel, put
it in an old tin cup. Then

616
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:34.360
you would take that put it in
your trunk of your car. Because if

617
00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:38.119
you got stuck on a hill and
you didn't have snow tires because we didn't

618
00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:42.079
have snow. I don't think they
were invented yet, you would go back

619
00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:45.320
and get out the damn clinkers from
the old coal shoot and throw them under

620
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:47.760
there, and you get traction and
you can drive out of the red.

621
00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:52.880
And it was and that was ever
heard a story like that. I feel

622
00:42:52.880 --> 00:43:00.760
like I'm danel Boone over here,
you know, or I'm David Crocket over

623
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:07.119
here. Yeah. I can't do
it either, but uh but yeah,

624
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:09.239
that was a true story. And
there's you know, there's like two old

625
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:14.280
farts over there going Jesus Christ,
I remember that. I was a praint

626
00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:17.880
in the ass. Yes, it
was so so you would take wow,

627
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:22.440
take cold, throw it in the
back. Yeah. Well it would turn

628
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:25.320
into clinkers and it looked like Martian
rocks. It didn't look like coal anymore.

629
00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:30.239
But you got good traction. In
snow, I don't know. And

630
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:34.960
we're sitting here looking at this beautiful
landscape and no, no snow. It's

631
00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:37.280
like thank you, no, no, we'll take it. Well, when

632
00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:42.679
did you leave Ohio? Oh seventeen? Well, yeah, you know the

633
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:45.920
snow there. I knew all about
the snow. Yeah. I went to

634
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:50.320
New Orleans. I went to Marty
Ground. Never went back. Really,

635
00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:53.920
yeah, man, that was it. That was it. It's warm here,

636
00:43:55.360 --> 00:44:00.239
a lot of chicks, you know, I think this is whole his

637
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:04.920
home. Yeah yeah, yeah.
And phone calls were a nickel. How

638
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:07.960
about that a dime like a payphone. Yeah, a payphone. Yet another

639
00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:13.000
ancient practice. Oh yeah, yeah
I saw this thing. Listen, we're

640
00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:15.760
just sitting right here like some old
farts talking about yeah you know I saw

641
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:17.440
the yeah no, but but really
I saw this. I saw this.

642
00:44:17.800 --> 00:44:22.519
What was it? Some it must
have been a TikTok maybe, And these

643
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:29.519
uh two kids were they put a
rotary phone next to them, said the

644
00:44:29.559 --> 00:44:34.519
work, show us how to work
that. They're like damn yeah, yeah,

645
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:39.519
damn bro. Yeah. They're holding
up a crucifix in case it's cursed,

646
00:44:40.119 --> 00:44:44.360
you know, yeah, might turn
you into a cave man. Careful

647
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:46.920
one thing that I really got me
is like, you know when you were

648
00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:50.400
hand signal, like I'm on the
phone. You know you used to do

649
00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:52.760
this, and you see kids these
days and they do this, it's like

650
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:57.559
a completely different hand signal. It's
like, oh, they're holding a smartphone,

651
00:44:57.679 --> 00:45:00.480
like they don't know, Like what
is this? That's that's I even

652
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:04.079
knew that. Yeah, yeah,
so when kids doing this, she's talking

653
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:06.559
about the phone. Ask your son, minm like you're on the phone.

654
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:09.800
I guarantee he does it like this
when I leave my son and I say

655
00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:15.079
call me. Maybe that's why he's
looking at me work and I'm like like,

656
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:19.679
banana, banana, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh god, yeah,

657
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:23.000
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description of this podcast. I have
to bring up this story because it's from

664
00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:51.119
my time on Arrow, and I
want to know if you remember this.

665
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:54.039
We were down on what was that
a little place. It was right in

666
00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:57.119
front of the casino, you know
that parking lot. We were set up

667
00:45:57.119 --> 00:46:00.679
circus in front of ocean front.
Was that the part I was part casino,

668
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:05.440
part casino. It was right right
at the seawall right. Yeah.

669
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:07.639
So one night we were on location
down there, and I remember I just

670
00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:10.440
I'm sitting in the van because I
was the van driver. I'm sitting in

671
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:14.599
there, and then I just hear
like the radio going nuts, like there's

672
00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:16.840
some controversy. I'm like, what's
going on? And then it comes out

673
00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:20.519
you had a bunch of stuff stolen
out of your trailers. Yeah, you

674
00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:23.840
remember that, you tell that story
about Yeah, it was crazy too because

675
00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:30.440
there were a few things I got
back in the introits. You know,

676
00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:34.360
I had a little money in Middle
Narrow, and I wanted a couple of

677
00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:37.760
watches, and there were some places
in the sales tax and Michigan was less

678
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:45.199
than it is in Vancouver or Los
Angeles, obviously, and I was like,

679
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:46.960
when I go back and I want
a nice watch, I'm gonna go

680
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:52.079
to the spot Michigan. Yeah.
So I did, and I got a

681
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:54.000
couple of things, and I got
some stuff that when I was younger,

682
00:46:54.039 --> 00:46:58.280
and there's some other jewelry that was
old that I got that I had,

683
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:01.199
you know, I guess sophomore in
college I bought a little ring or something.

684
00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:04.199
So anyway, I don't like,
let me take all that stuff back

685
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:07.599
to LA get on my mama's house. So I had it in the backpack

686
00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:15.840
and it hadn't yet made it home
in LA to drop it off, and

687
00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:22.119
it was right there in the spot
with my clothes. So and then,

688
00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:24.440
you know, we I walked in
my trailer. The door was kind of

689
00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:31.519
a jar, and it was like
all of them go dang. I didn't

690
00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:35.679
know. There was some mental stuff
too. Yeah, and and then there

691
00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:39.519
was there was there was a camera
in there that had my son's Like,

692
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:44.480
you know, I only have one
child and it was his first year of

693
00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:50.119
life, like all this these pictures
and video that was all no I understood.

694
00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:54.079
Yeah, yeah, I was man. I was just like, yeah,

695
00:47:54.239 --> 00:48:01.440
that was tough. That was yeah, that was tough. So yeah,

696
00:48:01.559 --> 00:48:06.280
and and at the time, I
wasn't quite getting the response that I

697
00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:10.719
wanted from the the powers that be
that were on set right time. Yeah,

698
00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:14.599
so it was like, oh,
bro, you don't understand what I'm

699
00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:16.360
talking about. You're gonna listen to
this. We're gonna we're not rolling camera.

700
00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:22.039
Yeah, we're talking about this right
now. Yeah, and yeah it's

701
00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:24.480
terrible. Yeah. Those are the
kind of things you know, you can't

702
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:28.840
replace the things that that are tuging
your heart strengths. Yeah, you know.

703
00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:30.440
I mean I can buy a new
car, that's right, or new

704
00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:34.719
watch, but it was that that
camera, those pictures. Was like yeah,

705
00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:37.920
yeah, exactly right, yeah,
because I remember hearing like you know,

706
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:39.760
through the grape vine it was like
a Rolex and like some other stuff.

707
00:48:39.800 --> 00:48:44.480
But like you know, that was
bad enough, bad enough for sure,

708
00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:50.079
Yeah for sure. Yeah yeah,
yang they judge, Yeah you got

709
00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:53.079
my rolex. Bro. Yeah,
that's where he's going with it. That's

710
00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:55.440
where he's going with it, right, Yeah, I just heard it was

711
00:48:55.480 --> 00:49:00.760
like a back. I feel bad. I should give it that. It

712
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:04.559
was the date just right. He's
not wearing it now, why'd you put

713
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:08.800
that one? You know? Okay? No, I didn't say anything,

714
00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:19.199
right, yeah you go, oh
man, kicking your ass joked. No,

715
00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:22.159
they treated me well on that show, like they treated me really well.

716
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:23.800
They would let me leave an audition
in the middle of the day,

717
00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:28.320
like oh goody oh yeah. I
filmed the one hundred while I was working

718
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:32.599
as a van driver, like I've
bounced out. I got everything, like

719
00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:37.199
oh yeah, yeah, that's what
you can eat it too, Corey and

720
00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:40.880
uh oh shoot, I forget his
boss's name, but they were the location

721
00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:45.119
managers and literally I told them,
you know, like acting's coming first for

722
00:49:45.159 --> 00:49:46.440
me, you know, like that's
where my passion is, but like,

723
00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:49.440
you know, I'd love to be
on set and make some money. And

724
00:49:49.480 --> 00:49:52.920
they were like, you know,
I've been like day calling on different sets,

725
00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:54.599
you know, like Movies of the
Week and like I worked on Deadpool

726
00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:58.519
and you know, like I don't
know, I guess Vancouver small. So

727
00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:00.320
people were like this dude's really good
van driver, you know, like he

728
00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:02.760
has an organized shit, like he's
on his stuff, you know, like

729
00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:07.400
everything like that. And so you
know, the ALM's on Arrowhard and literally

730
00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:10.639
they paid me full a day rate
just to come in and ask me if

731
00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:14.400
I wanted to be a van driver. And that was like dang, like

732
00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:15.960
wow, that like made me feel
good. Okay, you know, I

733
00:50:16.039 --> 00:50:20.239
was like ask me something else,
right, Yeah, And I go out

734
00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:23.199
and you know, they show me
around vfs and they show me around and

735
00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:25.480
like I get lunch out there,
and I was like, you know,

736
00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:28.440
I told him, like, you
know, I need to be able to

737
00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:30.760
do my auditions. I need to
be able to leave like sixteen how long

738
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:34.599
are the days we're doing on arrows, you know, like fifteen hour camera

739
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:38.119
days right, like yeah, And
I was like, yeah, I need

740
00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:40.119
to be able to long story short. They were like, yeah, no

741
00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:44.320
problem, Like whatever you need,
Like, you know, you need days

742
00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:45.239
off, you know, if you're
on set, like, no problem,

743
00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:47.679
tell us the day before. It's
good. And I was like, oh

744
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:51.440
yeah. So that was like really
like a good job for me, you

745
00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:54.719
know, like being able to still
pursue acting but still be in the industry

746
00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:59.960
like that was like invaluable experience,
you know. And then just meeting people

747
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:02.760
and like now reconnecting, like it
was cool. You know, the hours,

748
00:51:04.039 --> 00:51:06.280
you know, while I was going
through it was like kind of like

749
00:51:06.400 --> 00:51:09.079
dang, like yeah, yeah,
yeah. I remember one week I worried

750
00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:14.239
ninety nine hours ninety nine hours in
one week how many hours or in a

751
00:51:14.239 --> 00:51:17.559
week? Every day and remember we're
wrapping on Friday and we're cleaning up in

752
00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:23.559
VFS and yeah, I remember asking
my boss. I was like, can

753
00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:27.239
I stay on the clock for one
more hour? Like I just want to

754
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:30.440
be able to say I've worked one
hundred hours. Oh yeah, yeah,

755
00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:32.400
I'm at ninety nine. Why not
just go an extra hour? And I

756
00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:35.800
was like, there's nothing else to
do. I was like, I'll sweet

757
00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:38.400
for an hour, like I'll pick
up trash for an hour something and that

758
00:51:38.519 --> 00:51:42.079
He's like, no, go home, like it's gonna look bad on the

759
00:51:42.079 --> 00:51:45.800
freaking time card or whatever. And
I was like, and ninety nine hours

760
00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:52.119
does look bad. Yeah, it's
a one hour grind. That show was

761
00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:54.559
a grind. Yeah, yeah,
I had I know people that I went

762
00:51:54.679 --> 00:51:58.800
to other shows, right, and
I went to Flash and the other shows.

763
00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:01.360
Yeah, And it was like war
Wounds from Arrow. You know when

764
00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:04.679
when folks are like, oh man, yeah I got this job here,

765
00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:07.559
bro I did Arrows Like nothing,
we're doing like twelve hour days. I'm

766
00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:12.039
good. Yeah yeah Arrow. Yeah, when you go through that boot camping

767
00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:15.559
Wars, yeah, I remember people
talking about a series of unfortunate events.

768
00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:20.000
They were filming that in Vancouver at
the same time, and some you know,

769
00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:22.960
we would get day players or whatever
from the cat from the crew that

770
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:24.800
would come over and they'd be like, that's the best show ever. We

771
00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:28.920
got a children cast. They can't
work more than eight hours a day,

772
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:35.280
Like we're talking by that. That
helps, Okay, Why couldn't they paid

773
00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:38.119
me to be on that? Yeah? Right, Well that's why they hired

774
00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:43.880
twins on Full House. Yeah yeah, you get two you get two kids

775
00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:47.119
for the price or one sort of
like doing a cold Sprouse too, like

776
00:52:47.199 --> 00:52:52.719
Big Daddy and you know they were
replacing each other a lot. Wow.

777
00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:59.159
Wow. Yeah, fun facts to
know and tell about show biz ladies and

778
00:52:59.159 --> 00:53:01.039
gentlemen. Well, just one more
thing I just wanted to get to.

779
00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:06.639
It's like online there's like really like
none of like your your career really like

780
00:53:06.679 --> 00:53:08.840
your personal life before your acting careers. So like I wanted to ask you,

781
00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:12.639
like what when did you decide you
wanted to be an actor? And

782
00:53:12.679 --> 00:53:15.239
like what it kind of got you
in? And going into that? Yeah,

783
00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:20.840
what got him an act? You
know? Some my my brother uh

784
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:24.639
did did a play and he's always
been somebody at my every much, my

785
00:53:24.639 --> 00:53:29.440
older brother, and I thought I
thought I wanted to play football. I

786
00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:31.000
thought that's what I was going to
do. A little of that going around.

787
00:53:31.119 --> 00:53:36.079
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, man, your brother's game. Thanks for

788
00:53:36.239 --> 00:53:39.920
allowing me to Oh yeah, that
was really fun. How did he respond

789
00:53:40.039 --> 00:53:43.559
last night? Oh? Man,
he was actually like I don't know.

790
00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:45.119
We called him and he was kind
of like stand off ish, like it's

791
00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:47.800
it's almost like he didn't want to
talk about it really, yeah, and

792
00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:52.400
he like got into like there was
they cut it cut it out on TV,

793
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:53.639
but you could kind of see in
the body language he was kind of

794
00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:57.679
getting into it in the beginning of
the game. And then we were asking

795
00:53:57.800 --> 00:54:00.000
about that and he was like,
talk to me tomorrow, talk to me

796
00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:02.039
tomorrow. Someone's going on. Yeah. So we were like, oh,

797
00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:07.960
dang, yeah, he's very like
solemn dude. Okay, okay, yeah,

798
00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:09.360
that's just his personnel. Yeah,
definitely, yeah, yeah yeah.

799
00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:14.400
Yeah. So my brother brother did
a play and I was like, oh,

800
00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:15.880
you know, I can, I
want to do that, and I

801
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:20.519
just that was in football, and
I was like, this is what I

802
00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:22.000
want to do for us in my
life. Just watching him, you know,

803
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:28.400
he was just so natural and and
then they just it just blocked theater

804
00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:31.480
just as much as I could get
of it, you know. And yeah,

805
00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:37.280
then I started doing some commercials in
Detroit was always an automotive commercial now

806
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:42.079
well, and I started theater as
early as I could. I was fourteen.

807
00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:45.320
I just when I went to high
school, like local, like just

808
00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:47.719
a little low theator high school.
High school, yeah yeah. And community

809
00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:51.960
theater started when I was around sixteen. I got some community theater jobs.

810
00:54:51.960 --> 00:54:57.079
And then I went to Waynett University
at school in Detroit, and I got

811
00:54:57.079 --> 00:55:02.519
a theater BFA back to the fine
Arts theater degree and and just did theater

812
00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:08.199
professional and community theater just throughout the
city and got an agent, got a

813
00:55:08.199 --> 00:55:10.280
head shot and I was like,
oh, here we go. Let me

814
00:55:10.280 --> 00:55:14.480
send it to an agency. They're
like, come on in, got a

815
00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:19.679
nice face to these commercials, so
GM Chrysler, here I come. And

816
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:24.719
then it was like it was funny
the power of Mamam. I got accepted

817
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:29.480
the University of Southern California when I
was in high school, okay, and

818
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:30.360
they were like, come on out
here, we'll take care of stuff.

819
00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:37.000
And my mother said, baby,
you're just not quite ready for Los Angeles.

820
00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:40.920
I didn't want to hear this.
A seventeen bro, what's right,

821
00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:45.199
I'm about to get to that.
I'm like, I don't want to hear

822
00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:49.360
that, bro, I wanna California. She's like, you know, just

823
00:55:49.599 --> 00:55:52.440
She's like, Wayne Station gonna give
you a full ride, just go there

824
00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:57.760
for a year or two. The
California is not going to place. And

825
00:55:57.840 --> 00:56:00.000
I was like, you know some
you're You're right. Mom was right,

826
00:56:00.599 --> 00:56:02.800
But she was right for a few
reasons. She was right that I wasn't

827
00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:07.880
ready because once I got out to
California four years later, seventeen, probably

828
00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:12.719
wouldn't be talking to me right now. Yeah, that's fair. It would

829
00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:15.760
have beat me up. But here
here's you know, and I talked to

830
00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:19.599
a lot of kids, right there's
like, oh how do I do?

831
00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:22.400
Yeah? And my pop's always used
to tell me there's something in your hand.

832
00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:25.199
And I was like, you know
what I'd always meant, And what

833
00:56:25.320 --> 00:56:29.599
he meant was that that you know
you want something, so something you want,

834
00:56:29.719 --> 00:56:32.880
you really want, but there's something
that is in your hand right now,

835
00:56:34.159 --> 00:56:40.159
or or think your sphere of influence
that you're not seeing that's vital to

836
00:56:40.239 --> 00:56:44.760
you do what you want. That's
good advice, right. I remember telling

837
00:56:44.800 --> 00:56:46.679
me that man, and it was
like it was like, there's something in

838
00:56:46.760 --> 00:56:50.559
my hand. At Wayne State,
there's something in my hand right now in

839
00:56:50.599 --> 00:56:53.599
this say there's something that can that
can help me and other people, like

840
00:56:53.679 --> 00:56:55.760
some bird in the hand is worth
two in the busk. Mama, you

841
00:56:55.760 --> 00:57:00.719
should always say that so so so
so. Anyway, she says, stay

842
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:06.159
here, stay here in Detroit.
So I went to Wayne State. Everybody

843
00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:07.000
knew. By the time I was
a senior in Wayne State, I was

844
00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:12.519
known in the city as an actor
doing professional theory, and everyone everyone knew

845
00:57:12.519 --> 00:57:15.599
I was going to LA. So
by the time I was about to leave

846
00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:17.960
that dean of the Department of theater
department said, Dave, you know you

847
00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:21.800
should know a few people in LA. I know someone. Let me give

848
00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:24.199
him a call. He just so
happened to know the head of daytime casting

849
00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:28.079
at NBC all right, So he
made a call. It's not bad,

850
00:57:28.280 --> 00:57:30.719
not bad. He made a call. She faxed me size because back then

851
00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:35.519
you were facing right. She said, when you come out here, just

852
00:57:35.719 --> 00:57:38.000
audition for me. Right. So
I went out there before I graduated because

853
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:40.400
there was a friends going out went
out there and I adition for it.

854
00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:44.400
She said, you need an agent
right there. She called three agents.

855
00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:50.039
Dang right there, dang wow right. She and I went to all three

856
00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:53.320
meetings. One stuck. And that
was and I stayed in LA and I

857
00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:57.760
stayed and I had an agent when
I got off the boat, you know

858
00:57:57.800 --> 00:58:00.960
what I mean, because I had
already had I went actually Detroit, graduated

859
00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:02.400
that came back to LA with my
agent. Yeah. So nothing wrong with

860
00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:06.360
that, man, it was just
great. But if going back to that

861
00:58:06.440 --> 00:58:09.280
advice of like, you know,
use this place where you are. You

862
00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:12.760
know, so a lot of kids
ask me like, oh, you know,

863
00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:15.320
I'm in this little small town and
I can't wait to get to LA.

864
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:17.199
What advice will you give me.
I'm like, staying in a small

865
00:58:17.239 --> 00:58:22.920
town. Yeah, well that's like
the exhaust everything there, the old line

866
00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:27.039
bloom where you're planted. Yeah,
yeah, exactly where you bloom yep,

867
00:58:27.320 --> 00:58:30.880
go ahead, yep. Because there's
something, there's something there that you're gonna

868
00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:32.800
get learn. And it wasn't just
that contact. That's the obvious, the

869
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:36.519
obvious reason why. It's like,
oh thanks mom, great advice, But

870
00:58:36.599 --> 00:58:40.079
it just I grew. I grew, you know, I was seventeen to

871
00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:45.079
twenty one, you know by the
time I left. In those four years,

872
00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:46.280
you know, wow, So that
was my LA experience. Man,

873
00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:52.400
that's what that's Yeah, that's why
I went out and I had a similar

874
00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:55.480
thing like that. I ended up
getting like the very first job I ever

875
00:58:55.679 --> 00:59:00.320
auditioned for, but thank you lord, you know. And uh and then

876
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:04.239
next thing, I knew I was
worth working And uh, it's kind of

877
00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:07.079
like what you just said. Do
you know, I didn't I didn't dive

878
00:59:07.159 --> 00:59:09.400
in. I wasn't like eighteen or
nine, you know, I was thirty,

879
00:59:10.199 --> 00:59:13.599
you know. And I said,
Okay, well I think I'm ready

880
00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:16.760
cracked my knuckles, gave it a
shot. Now I'm hanging out with you,

881
00:59:17.719 --> 00:59:21.559
hanging out with each other. Man. Yeah, yeah, So it's

882
00:59:21.599 --> 00:59:23.599
a beautiful thing. It is beautiful. It is Yeah. And you can

883
00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:29.079
be on this couch one day.
Oh yeah, man, it was great

884
00:59:29.280 --> 00:59:30.639
just coming up. I'm just trying
to get on the other side of that

885
00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:36.719
table at the convention. Man a
time, he'll be there. He'll be

886
00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:39.639
there thousand percent. Yeah, no
doubt about that. Yeah. Yeah,

887
00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:44.559
So enjoy him. Well you can
still, you know, while I'm still

888
00:59:44.599 --> 00:59:54.679
a Yeah, he's not charging you
exactly. Picture played picture oh man.

889
00:59:55.000 --> 00:59:59.280
Yeah. Now there was one convention. We went to Dragon Con last year,

890
00:59:59.440 --> 01:00:01.360
two years that was two years ago
now or something like that, and

891
01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:05.039
just for fun, like, you
know, because I was on the one

892
01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:07.039
hundred for a couple of episodes,
and so I've printed out a couple of

893
01:00:07.079 --> 01:00:10.519
little headshots and I was like,
yeah, yeah, yeah, table Like

894
01:00:10.559 --> 01:00:15.400
I'm just gonna sneak on and see
if anybody is like, like nobody,

895
01:00:17.039 --> 01:00:20.880
it's like, what are you doing
here? Right? Well, they're lost

896
01:00:22.719 --> 01:00:28.519
a bunch of stiffs. Yeah,
oh man, man, So is there

897
01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:30.360
something we should be looking forward to? You know? Something? No,

898
01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:37.199
but I mean no, I mean
these conventions count Yeah, any conventions coming

899
01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:43.719
up? I love they will be
hearing something soon. In terms of the

900
01:00:43.719 --> 01:00:49.119
convention, there's one of having Brazil, Brazil, Brazil coming up soon.

901
01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:52.519
I can hear the music. Yeah
yeah, I know, but I can

902
01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:59.320
hear the music. Uh yeah.
And there's Boston might be having We'll see

903
01:00:59.320 --> 01:01:01.119
what happens with that some other thing. Ones might be happy. But that's

904
01:01:01.159 --> 01:01:05.320
pretty much. And you know,
we're we're working on a little low budget

905
01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:07.960
movie that I'm putting together as a
director. Can't really talk about now,

906
01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:13.760
but it's I'm very excited about that. So hopefully when the strike is over

907
01:01:13.840 --> 01:01:16.159
that we can get to production.
Yeah. Nice, nice, Yeah that's

908
01:01:16.239 --> 01:01:20.320
right. Yeah, there's only so
much you can do right now. Very

909
01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:23.320
true. Well that's awesome. Well
thank you so much for joining. Great

910
01:01:23.400 --> 01:01:31.679
conversation, bro, Yeah that's glad
Man. He's like literally letter hustle me.

911
01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:36.280
Yeah yeah, yeah, that's right. What can I say that?

912
01:01:36.440 --> 01:01:38.079
That's who God bless you.