WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.799 --> 00:00:14.679 The following is a presentation of Playfly Sports Properties in Michigan State Sports Properties. 2 00:00:46.560 --> 00:00:50.960 Well a pleasant, good even to everyone. It is Thursday, November thirtieth, 3 00:00:50.960 --> 00:00:55.840 twenty twenty three. Welcome to the only show about Spartan Dogs hosted by 4 00:00:56.320 --> 00:01:00.280 Spartan Dogs. This is Sparta MSU. I'm your host, Jason Strayhorn, 5 00:01:00.439 --> 00:01:07.359 along with my co host, the Boss Otis Wiley. Jayu is on assignment 6 00:01:07.439 --> 00:01:12.040 today. But listen, we want to welcome to the show. If this 7 00:01:12.079 --> 00:01:15.760 is your first time listening and watching us, we absolutely want to welcome you. 8 00:01:15.840 --> 00:01:19.920 And if this is not, we really appreciate and thank you so much 9 00:01:19.959 --> 00:01:25.359 from the bottom of our hearts for your continued support. Please don't forget to 10 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:30.120 subscribe to all of our social media platforms at This as Sparta MSU. And 11 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:34.560 let's go to the live check because that's where the party's at. This honestly 12 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:38.159 is a recording because we've got a lot of stuff going on. We got 13 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:42.159 a lot of transfer portal news that we got to jump into. But Otis 14 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:47.439 we have to get into this and this is unfolding by the day about the 15 00:01:47.480 --> 00:01:52.239 new hire Jonathan Smith, who has come over from Oregon State from Corvallis to 16 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:57.760 Michigan State and now he's already making his impact known. You miss Tuesday show. 17 00:01:57.799 --> 00:02:01.200 Let's talk about your perspective on the new higher Yeah, you know it's 18 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:06.760 it's crazy because when is the last time I was on this. So it's 19 00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:12.199 been like for like the holiday and all the Ford field and all the crazy 20 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:14.759 crossover from sports. It's been too long, man, we miss it. 21 00:02:14.759 --> 00:02:16.120 It's been too long. It's all good. But y'all been doing a great 22 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:20.319 job, man, So I've been holding it down. At last showed on 23 00:02:20.360 --> 00:02:23.800 Tuesday was phenomenal. So I basically I can fall in the background. You 24 00:02:23.840 --> 00:02:27.719 know it's gonna be good. I can just sit there and sit back and 25 00:02:28.039 --> 00:02:31.120 relax. But it took me. It took me a minute. I'm being 26 00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:35.639 honest with you. It took me a minute to process because you know, 27 00:02:35.680 --> 00:02:38.319 I've been through a coaching change. You've been through a coaching change you know 28 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:43.039 too as well. And it's business. I get. The business is the 29 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:46.199 business of collegiate athletics. Like it's not getting it done, it's you know, 30 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:50.560 on to the next one. You know what. For me personally, 31 00:02:50.599 --> 00:02:54.400 it's like you gotta close chapters, uh before you go to the next chapter, 32 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:59.240 right, Like you can't just you know, skim and not complete something. 33 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:01.919 And I feel like there was some stuff that that that that that happened, 34 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:06.879 you know that you know, the previous staff or even like the coaches. 35 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:08.439 You know, Coach B you know, not say you get a fair 36 00:03:08.560 --> 00:03:13.240 shake, but just you know, treating them with you know, the respect 37 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:17.080 that you know, this guy, Coach B took over just a programming shambles, 38 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:21.199 and you know, from a standpoint of just out of the respect, 39 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:27.960 you know, it's treating that with the most security, like like not security, 40 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:31.639 but clarity of just being transparent with with them on the on the situation. 41 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:37.439 Right. And so with Coach Smith coming in, everyone kind of knew, 42 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:39.039 like we do need a new leaf, We need a new chapter, 43 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:43.199 We need new you know, regime, we need new energy. Like it's 44 00:03:43.240 --> 00:03:46.599 kind of getting rid of the old with the new. And uh, you 45 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:50.319 know, I've been impressed from how he's handled it. I mean it's been 46 00:03:50.360 --> 00:03:53.080 a quick three to four days where it feels like it's already been a month 47 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:58.199 where he has been going on thousand dollars per hour. You know, you 48 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:02.159 got to do your due diligence and meeting the appropriate folks, the key stakeholders 49 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:05.199 here in Michigan State. You know who brought him, who got him here, 50 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:12.960 and so you know that guardlet of just getting to know absolutely everybody that 51 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:15.840 that is a that is a task at hand, like that is a huge, 52 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:20.519 tall task. I do believe he is coming with some new energy from 53 00:04:20.519 --> 00:04:25.160 an offensive standpoint, right, Like you can already know if you look at 54 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:29.800 the stats that he's coming from and bringing. Uh, we have been really 55 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:32.759 dead in in the past. So for for that to kind of get an 56 00:04:32.839 --> 00:04:39.279 uplift a resurrection, I think that's the element that you know, Spartan Nation 57 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:44.920 is looking to see. Like defensively, I think our DNA defensively is Spartans. 58 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:49.079 No matter who is the coach, we will always put out that that 59 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:57.480 defensive you know front, that defensive outstanding production, regardless of who the decordinator 60 00:04:57.680 --> 00:05:00.439 is. You know, you still have defensive guys that can make plays. 61 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:05.399 That's been historic. But the offensively like defense can't be out there too long 62 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:11.199 as we've seen, right, So I'm excited to see that aspect of who 63 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:15.120 he's bringing in from a staff standpoint, But I only like my heart goes 64 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:17.519 out to all the guys because I've been through it, we all been through. 65 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:25.160 Is like the evaluation, the kind of the the sitting there waiting kind 66 00:05:25.160 --> 00:05:30.000 of thing of like what's what's what's the what's the new staff? It's still 67 00:05:30.040 --> 00:05:32.480 not complete. They're building it out, trying to expedite that, trying to 68 00:05:32.519 --> 00:05:35.879 get it in time to go out on recruiting, and it's just all of 69 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:40.680 that where it's the same kind of noise that we had to deal with. 70 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:43.399 When Coach d came in. It was kind of like very quiet, you 71 00:05:43.399 --> 00:05:46.079 know, hum and here are the top ten people and here he said, 72 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:50.600 she said, who's who's rumored this? Who's that? Now with the transfer 73 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:55.759 portal, that's we're gonna touch on. It adds another heightened sense of like, 74 00:05:56.040 --> 00:05:59.800 man, what's going on? Uh So Coach Smith is I think he's 75 00:05:59.839 --> 00:06:02.439 saying the right things. He's setting it up to where he's got to build 76 00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:08.399 the foundation, and you know, I just want to spartanation give him a 77 00:06:08.480 --> 00:06:10.800 chance, right, you know, you got to give them a chance because 78 00:06:10.839 --> 00:06:13.839 it's not all overnight. It's not gonna get better overnight. It's gonna be 79 00:06:13.839 --> 00:06:18.319 a break by brick restacking the foundation. You know, there's there's no question 80 00:06:18.399 --> 00:06:21.120 about that. You know, it's it's not gonna be easy. He's been 81 00:06:21.240 --> 00:06:24.959 very transparent about that. And you know, to your point, you brought 82 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:29.519 up you know, in with the new this out with the old regime. 83 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:33.519 But in doing so you felt it sounds like that that Harlan Barnett and the 84 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:39.959 staff maybe weren't kept the breast of how things were going to progress or if 85 00:06:39.959 --> 00:06:43.360 they were going to get a fair shot, so to speak, at being 86 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:49.360 the head coach. But it looks like Courtney Hawkins and Harlan Barnett are both 87 00:06:49.439 --> 00:06:54.600 negotiating at the present time. And again, this is Thursday afternoon. I 88 00:06:54.639 --> 00:06:58.480 know this show is airing tonight. We don't know what may come up, 89 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:02.439 you know, between now and then. However, it seems that they're in 90 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:10.120 the negotiation phases and Coach Smith has talked about having to get people with big 91 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:14.519 ten and Midwest ties and roots on the staff and how important that is because 92 00:07:14.519 --> 00:07:17.199 he doesn't have those, and that's one of the areas that he knows. 93 00:07:17.319 --> 00:07:21.120 I mean, do you think that that's a good thing that he understands at 94 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:26.959 least that point, and you have an opportunity for people with the MSU that 95 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:32.720 Green DNA to be on this staff. Listen, we talk all the time 96 00:07:32.759 --> 00:07:40.360 about this is that you have to win your neighboring states, like or not 97 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:45.600 win compete where you have kids in the state of Michigan going to Power five 98 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:50.040 schools and we're not even considering them. This is the pastors in past recruiting, 99 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:54.800 we weren't even considering or they weren't on hire on our board. But 100 00:07:55.240 --> 00:07:59.360 clearly they have the talent to go play at the Rutgers of the world, 101 00:08:00.040 --> 00:08:03.959 Airlands of the world. Like at this point, like we're we're not too 102 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:05.879 high mighty to go and take a chance on these guys. And some of 103 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:09.519 these guys that are in the neighboring states, they want to play for our 104 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:13.439 home team inside, you know, so it you know, from a family 105 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:18.120 decision standpoint, families could drive and Washington play. So for us, I 106 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:20.959 think that's a good opportunity for him to really put his feet down and say 107 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:26.399 we are going to get back to the roots. You know. The coach 108 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:28.920 d's of the world, like Ohio, they're like think about Michigan, Like 109 00:08:30.040 --> 00:08:33.759 they got guys from Ohio that didn't get got pasted up by Ohio State and 110 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:37.240 they are balling and beaten Ohio State, And I think that's the element getting 111 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:41.799 back to the gritty of the grittiness of a blue collar neighboring states, the 112 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:46.039 Indiana, the Ohios and then obviously Michigan, and still you got guys in 113 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:50.200 Pennsylvania, Like, how can we make sure we're at least majority winning those 114 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:54.399 states and knowing that, you know, we still can get the South guy, 115 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:58.120 the guys from the South. But you can't just fully go one hundred 116 00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:01.120 percent building the roster from the South, Like that's just not how it's going 117 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:05.720 to be built. These guys are It's a winter state, you know, 118 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:09.360 the weather, everything kind of under the sun. Like you can't just go 119 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:13.120 one hundred percent on Florida or you know, Atlanta and Georgia. Right, 120 00:09:13.759 --> 00:09:16.840 you got to have some of those big time guys and get those guys, 121 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:20.240 but you've got to have some foundation, firm guys that are from here and 122 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:28.120 around this region so they understand the power of the Big ten, like this 123 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:31.120 is where it's really built. So I do believe he's standing on those firm 124 00:09:31.159 --> 00:09:37.120 foundations. We're going to recruit in state, our neighboring states and get this 125 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:39.879 back to where it needed to be. Yeah, and we're not going to 126 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:43.120 forget Illinois too. That's a big state also is a neighboring state that you 127 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:46.480 know it's big because you talk about something you touched on it there. You 128 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:54.000 talked about almost the psychology behind college football in the regional geography and how that 129 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:58.519 ties into the spirit of the school, the alumni base, you know on 130 00:09:58.600 --> 00:10:03.360 my parents went to that school, or you know, I've grown up watching 131 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:07.639 that school. I've been in those stadiums as a young child, you know, 132 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:11.519 watching that team because it was down the road from my you know, 133 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:13.960 my parents' home, you know, or where I grew up. That makes 134 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:20.080 a big difference. That's the separation between college football and the NFL. As 135 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:22.240 we know, if it's the NFL, you can't really choose if you're not 136 00:10:22.360 --> 00:10:28.159 named Eli and Peyton Manning, the Mannings are you know, guys like that 137 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:31.120 that can tell people where they're going to go. You have to go do 138 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:35.799 it in college. You have an option, and if you don't, if 139 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:39.600 you completely ignore them, I agree with you, then it can build up 140 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:45.200 dissension. Like you can see people who don't like that if you don't offer 141 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:50.200 them. Look what we see as evidence. Just the other day here quarterback 142 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:54.879 Sam Levitt, who is an Oregon native. He was passed over by the 143 00:10:54.960 --> 00:11:00.240 end state school, Oregon State, so much so that now he that in 144 00:11:00.279 --> 00:11:03.559 Michigan State and that same staff comes right to where he's at, you know, 145 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:09.120 thousands of miles away, and he can't let it go right and whatever 146 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:13.519 vibe he got, whatever feeling he got, uh, he just he was 147 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:18.039 done right. And that's the thing about and the end this world that we 148 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:22.039 live in in college football. We know nil is a big deal and it 149 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:26.200 can make the world of universe a lot smaller than it used to be, 150 00:11:26.279 --> 00:11:28.200 especially when you and I played the game and back when I play. I 151 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:31.399 mean, look, it is what it is, right, There is no 152 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:37.120 transfer about to do that right sitting out, man, just you know, 153 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:41.960 stick it out exactly. You know, I think that you know, he's 154 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:43.320 doing what I'm talking about, Coach Smith. Now he's doing a phenomenal job 155 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:46.960 of trying to get hit the ground running in the local area. But you're 156 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:52.200 gonna see, I can't imagine with all of his times out west that we're 157 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:56.600 not going to see an influx of players from the West Coast, be it 158 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:03.600 current players on the Oregon State roster or other high schools that he has connections 159 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:07.600 with out there, that he'll be able to relate with those players and describe 160 00:12:07.639 --> 00:12:11.720 what it's like in these lands, sing to get them comfortable enough to come 161 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:15.799 out. And what NIL does in that case is make it easier. There's 162 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:18.840 sometimes a player that the parents or the family or you know friends. You 163 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:22.519 know, Yeah, if you grew up in Detroit, it's much easier to 164 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:26.080 come over to the East Lansing. But if you grew up in Eugene or 165 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:31.240 somewhere in Washington State or California, you're not driving to the game. However, 166 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:37.240 the new Big ten footprint, you have an opportunity to attract some of 167 00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:41.919 that local talent as well, because you'll be traveling to those schools now on 168 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:45.600 more of a regular basis. But the NIL also allows the parents to be 169 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:50.279 able to get to the games a little easier. Is that what you see? 170 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:52.720 Oh yeah, I mean you took the words out of my mouth, 171 00:12:52.759 --> 00:12:58.519 like you're with his powers and like who he is. You know, I 172 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:01.159 haven't got a chance to like talk with sit down with them, right, 173 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:05.480 But from his DNA of what he built at Oregon State and being Alum, 174 00:13:05.519 --> 00:13:09.759 there, you know, you're gonna you're gonna start seeing some West Coast love 175 00:13:09.320 --> 00:13:13.960 in our recruiting a lot more. Knowing that he knows and he knows that 176 00:13:15.080 --> 00:13:18.600 area, he knows that region. It's gonna help us obviously knowing that we're 177 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:24.120 gonna be playing Oregon next year. Next season, you're gonna have U C 178 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:28.120 L a USC at one point in time, you're gonna have at least two 179 00:13:28.279 --> 00:13:31.519 out of you know, every year going across you know, to play against 180 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:35.039 them, right, So that's an element where you can use as a recruiting 181 00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:39.159 advantage. Hey, we're in the big ten where you know your family will 182 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:41.679 be able to see you play, you know, twice out of the year, 183 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:46.159 you know, or even more depending on the scheduling. But I think 184 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:48.919 that's to your point. It's like he has more resources. It's crazy to 185 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:54.039 understand that that the amount of resources he had at Oregon State and what he 186 00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:58.559 did and now you put our resources behind it is like what this man can 187 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:01.399 do and his staff can do, it's gonna be interesting to see, Like 188 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:05.480 when we'll sit back and be watching and supporting of former players, but it's 189 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:09.840 gonna be interesting to see how he does it. Oh, yes, and 190 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:13.279 we know you and I both know those former players are anxiously awaiting being able 191 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:18.200 to connect with the new coaches. He has said that it's very it's vitally 192 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:20.600 important to the strength of the program to connect with the past, to get 193 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:24.200 those players integrated into the program so that they can help recruit and do a 194 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:28.919 lot of the things that you see top non programs doing. To your point, 195 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:35.879 otis you s brought up the resources and we have a graphic that we 196 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:41.360 can pull up here that talks about the resources, the difference between Oregon State 197 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:43.200 and Michigan State. Which is a better job. I think this is an 198 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:48.840 outstanding graphic here. Yeah, this is to whoever, whoever is this, 199 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:54.000 somebody that came to t I A. It's a TJ. Altimore. Aualtimore 200 00:14:54.919 --> 00:14:58.320 got to give you some got to give you some nuggs. Look, I'm 201 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:03.279 all about graphics and and charts here. I let him breathe that, right. 202 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:07.200 But when you look at this, you just asked the question, what 203 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:11.240 is that? What is the better job? I mean from someone's career like 204 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:15.759 this is like you saying, hey, I'm trying to pick between you know, 205 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:20.200 going to in my career as a corporate partner or a corporate working in 206 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:22.600 corporate America is like, this is the stuff that you put to on the 207 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:28.320 on the board, like the advantages, disadvantages, the pros, the cons 208 00:15:28.360 --> 00:15:33.440 and then right here it's all the pros and advantages is out weighing to the 209 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:35.799 green and white. So for him and his career, his family, and 210 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:41.320 even let's talk about the staff too. The staff getting the opportunity come into 211 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:46.840 the big ten and that opens up doors for them and their family as an 212 00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:50.639 opportunity. So it's bigger than just obviously coach Smith, and I think he 213 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:54.080 understands that if you look at his staff very diverse as well, and you 214 00:15:54.519 --> 00:16:00.960 see where he's bringing that same mantra when you you look at it, you 215 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:04.279 know, talk about mantras, right, like he already said one good thing 216 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:07.600 that I'm like, this is absolutely like that was. I don't know if 217 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:11.240 he was strategic with it or not, but like that one mantra, which 218 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:18.759 we will show from his press conference, Like that's what we need up. 219 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:22.279 Let's call it up. Yeah. I think from the start we're gonna you 220 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:26.440 know, low ego, high output, selfless. I think I think football 221 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:30.000 is the ultimate team game. Walking in. There's these roster sizes now getting 222 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:33.080 over one hundred and twenty some odd guys. There's eleven guys on the field. 223 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:37.840 Uh. I think it's an ultimate team game. No shot at coaches 224 00:16:37.879 --> 00:16:40.320 all over here, but you play hook man. You put four guys over 225 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:42.759 here and let Lebron play one on one and that can take place schematically and 226 00:16:42.799 --> 00:16:47.039 all of that. Football is a little different, and so it's the ultimate 227 00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:52.679 team game on that of being selfless and being a great teammate mhm, low 228 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:56.039 ego, high output, yes, like, And I think that's the element 229 00:16:56.080 --> 00:17:00.919 of like, you can never be bigger than the program. That's anywhere in 230 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:03.279 my opinion right, Like, you can never be bigger than a program. 231 00:17:03.359 --> 00:17:07.480 Now, you got all stars, you got playmakers, but there's still an 232 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:12.079 element that this is a team game, and even on and off the field, 233 00:17:12.119 --> 00:17:17.880 you gotta be about the program and for your your teammates and representing the 234 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:19.400 green and white. And I think I say we got away from that. 235 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:22.160 I don't think we did. But there were some things. There's a lot 236 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:26.720 of egos, a lot of things that you got to manage now because we're 237 00:17:26.720 --> 00:17:30.799 making money, you know, we're making money now, So when we're come 238 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:33.200 making money. You know, there's there's an element that comes with that. 239 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:37.119 So I like that. He's like, Hey, you know, I know 240 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:40.000 you're gonna be a star player, but you still got to have a low 241 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:44.240 ego and you got to be high output. Like your ego is gonna come 242 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:47.440 with you know, making plays, right, your brand is going to be 243 00:17:47.480 --> 00:17:51.119 coming with nil. When you make plays and you produce on the field, 244 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:55.160 you still got to produce. And so I just want to look to see 245 00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:57.440 how he does his game management too, where I'm gonna start looking at the 246 00:17:57.480 --> 00:18:02.240 old games that he had organ state how did he win these close ones and 247 00:18:02.279 --> 00:18:04.680 how did he manage because that's where we were kind of losing or lacking. 248 00:18:04.759 --> 00:18:10.119 Is the management of the game, the entire game of like playing chess, 249 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:15.279 making sure like we're halftime adjustments. How is he doing it and how is 250 00:18:15.319 --> 00:18:18.640 he letting his staff lead it as well. I'm looking to come do some 251 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:22.000 investigating on that, and you know, next week or so as we start 252 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:27.119 to roll out and get to know Coach Smith as we go. I mean 253 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:30.640 a lot of great points you just brought up there, you know. Alan 254 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:33.440 Haller, the athletic director from Michigan State University. He brought up in the 255 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:38.279 press conference about you know, Jonathan Smith's style, like no flash, he 256 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:41.960 brought that up. And I know, uh, you know, there's been 257 00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:45.480 a lot of players that talked about this, you know, but the way 258 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:51.039 the direction of the program up to this point was what was the identity of 259 00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:56.000 Michigan State football. And when you think about Michigan State overall, you think 260 00:18:56.039 --> 00:18:59.799 about grit, you think about determination, and you don't think about a lot 261 00:18:59.799 --> 00:19:02.880 of laugh you know, you think about guys like Tom Izzo. He's all 262 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:07.279 determination and and grit. He's not like a me guy. He's you know, 263 00:19:07.960 --> 00:19:18.839 us we are? Is that what you would say? Totally not that? 264 00:19:18.440 --> 00:19:23.079 And then the mantra that he just said, low ego, high output 265 00:19:23.839 --> 00:19:30.440 ego you know in the my thesaurus here and there's another word with it. 266 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:37.920 It's called pride, and we know the fall man. When he said that, 267 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:41.319 I was like, man, like, I know that's in the word, 268 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:44.279 but I'm like, why does he keep saying it? Why does coach 269 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:47.720 he keep saying it? And when it happens to you, like it happened 270 00:19:47.720 --> 00:19:51.039 to me, like you know, preseason, like you start to be like, 271 00:19:51.079 --> 00:19:52.920 oh, I'm making players. I'm out here getting it. I'm straight, 272 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:59.720 I'm good, but you will be humbled really quick, really fast. 273 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:03.359 And to your point, I feel like the fall came really quick because we 274 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:06.920 were after that eleven two season. I mean, you thought we want a 275 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:11.000 natty, you know, I think that's the element, right, So yeah, 276 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:12.200 I like, I like, he's coming with them, humbleness, He's 277 00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:15.680 coming with them. We got to put our boots on. We gotta get 278 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:18.319 get our hands dirty. We got to build this back up, like the 279 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:21.880 house is falling, we got to put it back together. And so I 280 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:26.559 like that energy starting out very smooth when he was talking and like and dressing 281 00:20:26.599 --> 00:20:30.640 the conversation, dressing the media, and uh, you know, I think 282 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:33.559 he probably need to hold off on that analogy of basketball. You know the 283 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:37.759 coach coach is that great? Like it is ultimate? Right, it is 284 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:41.160 it is. But you know he was like, you don't know man like 285 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:45.480 x's and oh is coming from. He's using football analogies in football scheme. 286 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:48.480 So he's more more than what he knows. So you got to go ahead 287 00:20:48.480 --> 00:20:52.200 and get in the office one to war with him from a personal moment to 288 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:56.680 read one thing I can't stand about the game of basketball is the ticky tactus 289 00:20:56.799 --> 00:20:59.279 man. Like you know, you can't breathe on a guy without a foul 290 00:20:59.319 --> 00:21:03.359 being called. Right. But that's why I appreciate tim Is though when I 291 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:07.720 watched Michigan State basketball, because he's not tick attack at all, like he 292 00:21:07.839 --> 00:21:12.680 teaches like relentless intensity and physical. You know those guys, I mean they're 293 00:21:12.720 --> 00:21:15.839 on the floor going after rebounds and all those great things. I mean, 294 00:21:15.880 --> 00:21:18.920 we were just in the beginning of the basketball season. We're going to cover 295 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:22.920 that at nauseum as we continue on in the basketball season. But tom Izzo 296 00:21:23.039 --> 00:21:27.200 really embodies that that that grit, that determination. And you know, I 297 00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:32.039 know coach Smith coming from Oregon State, everybody thinks, okay, he's an 298 00:21:32.039 --> 00:21:36.160 offensive guy. He can scheme a lot. The world is watching right now 299 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:42.599 about who are the the who the defensive coaches that he's going to bring on 300 00:21:42.680 --> 00:21:45.640 staff. That's still kind of up in the air right now. Obviously, 301 00:21:47.000 --> 00:21:52.079 Harlan Barnett is a candidate out there that that he's talked with and he's going 302 00:21:52.119 --> 00:21:55.759 to consider for a position there. I don't know who the defensive coordinator is 303 00:21:55.759 --> 00:22:00.400 going to be. But when you look at Michigan State, defensively, You 304 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:03.240 being a former defensive player, what would you like to see? What kind 305 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:08.640 of style of play would you like to see this staff push for Michigan State 306 00:22:08.680 --> 00:22:15.359 football. I would like to speak and like I feel like the secondary took 307 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:19.440 leaps and bounds of like improvement, right like you had the main you had 308 00:22:19.480 --> 00:22:22.880 Mangam, you got my League Spencer, you got dal Tatum, and you 309 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:27.920 got a Rutger like you got a solid crew like that if they stay and 310 00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:33.839 they you know, remain here like that is a great working group. Secondary 311 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:37.319 they have some lumps, they got some you know, got some great experience 312 00:22:37.400 --> 00:22:41.039 on the field. If you dissect it, secondary is in a good spot 313 00:22:41.079 --> 00:22:44.480 from a standpoint of like, you know, I do hate that we lost 314 00:22:44.559 --> 00:22:48.960 so Gotto and congratulations on him landing back into the NFL, but like that 315 00:22:49.079 --> 00:22:52.359 was a guy who came in and helped us get back to where it needed 316 00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:56.279 to be. Uh. And then you know, for me, I'm looking 317 00:22:56.319 --> 00:23:00.000 at how do we make sure that we're getting home to putting pressure on the 318 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:04.079 QB. And we are I mean, we're punching in the mouth, but 319 00:23:04.079 --> 00:23:08.319 we're also elite, We're fast. I just want to linebackers to be able 320 00:23:08.319 --> 00:23:11.519 to do more on the in the covers game for us too, Like that's 321 00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:17.640 an element where countless of times and I've told you all this, I've sat 322 00:23:17.759 --> 00:23:22.079 there and seen people run right past without getting no reroutes, Like there's an 323 00:23:22.119 --> 00:23:26.319 element of like reroute to get to hook curl, reroute to get to flats. 324 00:23:26.759 --> 00:23:32.079 Like I just want to see more of a well balanced mid level for 325 00:23:32.200 --> 00:23:38.079 our defense because when you saw Nardoozia decoordinator, when you saw that where we 326 00:23:38.279 --> 00:23:44.200 had guys going was they basically was animals on the run, animals in the 327 00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:48.359 past, right, And I think that's the standpoint all three levels. We 328 00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:51.640 need. A decordinator is going to keep you guessing, but it's also gonna 329 00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:55.039 be able to make the adjustments and not wait to have time, right, 330 00:23:55.119 --> 00:23:59.960 Like it's adjustments on the fly. And I think that's where you know Coach 331 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:04.400 Smith praying he's bringing a decordinator that has the track record of doing that, 332 00:24:04.599 --> 00:24:11.200 like competing in game knowing that they've done the research, they've done the film 333 00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:15.759 study, they've also are coaching and making our guys smarter players on the field 334 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:18.039 because we have talent. You know we have talent, but you've got to 335 00:24:18.039 --> 00:24:22.359 be able to have be smart on the field and knowing what to see, 336 00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:26.000 how to expect things, and just ball out. I think that's the element 337 00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:29.720 is playing free and care free football. I think that's what I'm looking for 338 00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:33.799 in a decordinator and UH and some of the defensive staff guys be able to 339 00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:37.920 develop these guys to where they're going out there and they're making the adjustments or 340 00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:41.160 they're coming out and saying, we need to change this, or we need 341 00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:45.039 to run this, UH check to cover two or sometimes like if you get 342 00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:48.880 beat Man and man, like we cannot play Man and Man if we don't 343 00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:52.160 have the rush. I think there's elements you gotta go, you gotta go, 344 00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:55.640 you gotta adjust. So I just want to coordinator to be able to 345 00:24:55.680 --> 00:25:00.319 be adjust be an adjustable guy that can really give a us the three and 346 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:03.839 outs because we struggled to get three and outs like we struggled, and so 347 00:25:04.119 --> 00:25:08.400 that's what I'm looking for. You know, I mean you said a lot 348 00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:12.720 there and when you look at the players that are available. We got to 349 00:25:12.759 --> 00:25:17.759 cover the portal update since Tuesday show, and you know, this is the 350 00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:22.680 new era of modern college football where every it seems like every hour we getting 351 00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:27.359 an update on someone who's hitting the portal. From just forty eight hours ago, 352 00:25:27.920 --> 00:25:30.519 we had more people going into the portal. You look at Jeron Glover 353 00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:37.400 wide receiver, Michael O'Shaughnessy, the punter, offensive lineman, another offensive lineman, 354 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:41.559 and Brandon Baldwin. And it hasn't been many defensive players. But Derek 355 00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:48.079 Harmon, defensive tackle from Detroit Loyola right down the road, has decided to 356 00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:51.759 hit the portal and he had ment. He has did nothing but continue to 357 00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:56.799 improve on that interior. And I know, like me personally and I know 358 00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:00.960 you as a defensive player in the former both of us, we really hope 359 00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:03.720 that you know, there's a couple of those guys that Michigan State can get 360 00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:08.680 back into the graces of coming back. I know that the testing the waters 361 00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:14.160 is the thing right now, but when you look at the defensive side, 362 00:26:14.839 --> 00:26:18.119 it can get worse. And again, this show has been taped, so 363 00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:22.880 we don't know. It may at eight o'clock tonight we may have seen more 364 00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:29.160 of these portal entries. But the defensive players that we've talked to that I've 365 00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:36.599 talked to have said they are watching who the defensive staff is before they make 366 00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:41.359 decisions whether or not to get into the portal or to stay with Michigan State. 367 00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:45.960 What are your thoughts on that straight That's a great question for me as 368 00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:49.960 a defensive guy. If if I'm a if I know I'm a player, 369 00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:56.160 if I'm knowing like I'm a playmaker and I played a lot of snaps, 370 00:26:57.680 --> 00:27:03.920 I will I will say this is a challenge for me as a player to 371 00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:06.839 know that I got to learn a new system. You got have to learn 372 00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:10.119 a new system anyway. If you hit the transfer portal, you get picked 373 00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:14.160 up, then go somewhere else. So it's kind of like you've already established 374 00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:19.759 a ground and framework here with the Green and white, and it's given them, 375 00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:23.960 Like what are they gonna wait for? On? Like who that coordinator 376 00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:27.400 is? Is that the scheme he runs? You know? Are we going 377 00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:30.279 four to three? We're going three and five? Like what what are they 378 00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:37.079 waiting for? Versus like you're going to play multiple fronts and multiple defensive schemes 379 00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:41.759 in the league anyway, Right, So there's an element of am I gonna 380 00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:45.000 look this, look at this as a challenge and be able to say, 381 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:48.759 hey, I went through and endure this coaching change and a new scheme, 382 00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:52.160 new system. Now, granted, when Coach D took over that system, 383 00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:53.799 it took me a minute. It took me a minute personally. I mean 384 00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:57.640 others adapted very well, but it took me a minute to really understand the 385 00:27:57.680 --> 00:28:02.720 whole defensive scheme, how I fit, how I'm supposed to play as a 386 00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:07.920 safety, because the previous defensive scheme was safety's made. I mean all the 387 00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:11.720 plays, right, not solid plays, but we were heavily involved. But 388 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:15.680 right, so when you come and got a guy that's defensive minded with cod 389 00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:19.839 D, there's an element of expectations. Now, I guess that's maybe what 390 00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:23.799 they're looking for, they're waiting for. I do hope that the core guys 391 00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:27.839 that we know, you know, the the Jordan Halls of the world, 392 00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:33.240 like Derek Harmon, like testing the waters. To me, is I get 393 00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:37.519 it. It's been crazy the past two years here, Like I get it, 394 00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:42.200 like a pure exhaustion is just just need a new, fresh, fresh 395 00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:45.200 fit, right, And I get it, understand it. This is the 396 00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:48.839 day and age you can do it. Then you're able to do it. 397 00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:53.759 This is the rules now. But I would say is sticking with the program. 398 00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:57.519 It's kind of like going to the like Lebron or Kobe playing for one 399 00:28:57.680 --> 00:29:02.319 like Kobe playing for one team right, not not not getting traded here and 400 00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:04.720 go play somewhere asking for trades. I feel like this is an element that 401 00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:08.079 you know, and it's okay. You look at, you know, being 402 00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:12.599 looked down upon about taste of tests in the water, but like is it 403 00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:19.039 pure because of the nil opportunities or is it because you're not playing or is 404 00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:22.960 it just truly you need a different, different fit For me, I'm like, 405 00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:29.039 if I'm playing, I'm I'm I'm revelessly I'm like, I'm excited to 406 00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:33.680 accept this challenge if I'm already playing with that last staff and this new staff 407 00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:37.839 coming in where they're evaluating. Yeah, Like I remember Coachy coming in saying, 408 00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:41.640 hey, everybody is a clean slate. You gotta work for your you 409 00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:44.400 know your job. Basically for me, it was like, man, you 410 00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:48.240 get nervous because you did do a lot of work before. But in the 411 00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:52.599 flip side, it's a challenge. It's something that you rise, rise up 412 00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:56.799 and accept. So I hope these guys look at the pros and the cons. 413 00:29:57.279 --> 00:30:00.759 We already looked at that statistics, right, and people hit the portal. 414 00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:07.319 It's not a guarantee you getting picked up. So why leave a situation 415 00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:11.240 where you've been putting in some time on the field just to go somewhere and 416 00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:15.599 you've got us restart that whole framework, you know what I mean, Like 417 00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:18.400 it's an element. It's not. It's not. The grass ain't greener on 418 00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:22.200 the other side. So it's just that. So so so there's as you 419 00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:27.160 said, then there's man, you're just fitting jewels out here right now because 420 00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:30.319 you know, getting to the point, because going back to the point where 421 00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:36.160 Jonathan Smith comes in here and they're clearly gonna be some players who are going 422 00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:38.680 to test the waters just to see what's out there. And then this was 423 00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:45.799 his quote regarding those players. He says, we've had some conversations and again 424 00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:49.119 I understand why players would enter, and we're not down on it. Smith 425 00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:53.920 said, these guys have been through a lot. We have been We've only 426 00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:57.240 been here for forty eight hours, but we're having conversations. So look, 427 00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:02.039 obviously this team, you brought it up two years of you know, hey, 428 00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:07.680 it's been rocky. Clearly this year after Week two at midnight, their 429 00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:12.119 world was slipped upside down and you have a whole new you know, rearrangement 430 00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:18.400 other I mean musical chairs in the coaching staff room, and you're trying to 431 00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:21.759 find a way to get through I mean the portal. Here's the thing that 432 00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:26.640 I would say to you, what's different for your time when you had a 433 00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:30.680 coaching change in my time is we didn't have anybody slide into our dms. 434 00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:33.960 You know, like you know, there's no such we didn't. There was 435 00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:40.039 no such thing as that where player coaches are talking to these players and talking 436 00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:42.440 about, man, we got the perfect scheme for you. We're gonna highlight 437 00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:45.960 your skills set, we're gonna do, We're gonna make you, you know, 438 00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:49.519 an NFL draft pick, and we're gonna pay you money. You know. 439 00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:55.079 These are the things that today's player is hearing that's in their ear, 440 00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:57.000 and it's hard to get away from it. If you're one of these players, 441 00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:00.160 it's hard to fall to them. You see it right here. We're 442 00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:07.559 having those conversations. And again I understand why this is why they will entertain 443 00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:12.079 these things, because then they're gonna look and see what the staff is going 444 00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:15.920 to be. Because if you see it all over, you see it where 445 00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:21.480 if a coordinator comes in and he's, hey, man, look we're gonna 446 00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:25.240 run. You know, just four defensive backs, you know, just a 447 00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:30.000 basic four to three. Maybe a guy who's a a we call it the 448 00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:34.960 nickel feels like man or maybe I don't have an opportunity to shine here, 449 00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:38.559 whereas his school over here they play with five dvs in their normal base offense, 450 00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:43.519 you know. Or if it's three down linemen versus the four down linemen. 451 00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:45.880 Maybe you know certain body types, you know, three techniques are kind 452 00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:52.400 of out of the water and the three down linemen a scenario, there's different 453 00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:57.920 strokes for different folks that are out there. That that's why I can't fault 454 00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:00.920 them. Yes, you want them to play, you know, like our 455 00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:02.680 stars. The guys who are playing. You know, this isn't the guys 456 00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:07.640 who If you're not playing, if you didn't play much at Michigan State, 457 00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:08.960 I don't know why you're going to the port If you're just going into the 458 00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:15.359 portal to go to a different school who will play you, which typically means 459 00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:19.039 you're going to go down in division or down in a level of school. 460 00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:22.359 That that that's fine, you know, other guys, let's stay and fight 461 00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:27.359 through this, and like you said you felt like it took you a little 462 00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:30.519 bit longer to get Coach D's defense when Pat and Ardusa came in versus what 463 00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:35.519 it was for John El. But you were a guy who was on the 464 00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:39.680 precipice of being a star, an All Conference performer and NFL player. Other 465 00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:44.440 guys. Now, now Otis Wiley comes out in twenty twenty four, right, 466 00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:46.640 this is you're going into twenty twenty four Otis Wiley. I mean, 467 00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:51.759 man, you have big safety and he can feature you here. You know, 468 00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:55.880 we had ten All Americans. We just had eight guys going to NFL 469 00:33:55.880 --> 00:34:00.559 over the last six years. Over here in your position. Notice your position. 470 00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:07.200 I'm a coach that coaches your position, and you're gonna yeah, I 471 00:34:07.240 --> 00:34:12.159 bleed green. But like wait a minute, and they say they're gonna pay 472 00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:15.159 me. You know, these are the reasons that we're gonna get into that 473 00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:20.199 conversation a little bit more in a moment about what the portal looks like and 474 00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:27.159 really the landscape of that regarding NIL because it's just totally different than what we 475 00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:30.159 grew up in what we've seen. It's hard to fault the players today for 476 00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:34.519 what they're going through because of those facts that are just named. But we're 477 00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:38.639 going to talk about that and more after these messages from our friends over at 478 00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:45.760 I Hop and seat Geek introducing I Hop's new menu with perfectly crispy yet fluffy 479 00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:50.800 waffles, warm flaky buttermilk. 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We got 489 00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:37.280 to get into this because you know there's there's a couple of topics. We 490 00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:42.199 want to talk about, the transfer portal and how that relates to Michigan State 491 00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:46.800 football. What's going on in the marketplace? Uh, there was an article 492 00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:57.159 just released today from OutKick it looks like OutKick dot com that talked about preparing 493 00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:02.599 for another round of free agency transfer portal open Sunday and donors are ready to 494 00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:07.320 spend. It just came out last night, and you know it goes deep. 495 00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:13.199 There was a quote from one of our big ten head coaches in Nebraska, 496 00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:16.280 Matt Ruhle, who said a good quarterback in the portal costs a million, 497 00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:20.760 million and a half to two million in nil. That's just what it 498 00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:24.559 is. So he's set on the table right there saying that this is the 499 00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:30.480 market that we're in, and you look at Michigan State's positions of need and 500 00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:34.440 we can go through that in detail. Otis like, when you talk about 501 00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:37.599 this from a head coach, and we've seen other head coaches talk about nil, 502 00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:43.920 what is your opinion on how this state and how Michigan State can be 503 00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:49.800 dominant and navigate through this in this current market. Yeah, that's a good 504 00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:52.920 question. Straight. I honestly want to know, like what what is considered 505 00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:59.320 a good quarterback? Because a good quarterback making one or two like that, 506 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:01.800 we're talking like that's crazy, right, but like we're talking about the great 507 00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:07.000 quarterbacks, the ones that have proven and played and have success. And I 508 00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:12.000 have entered, you know, the portal. You know, you think about 509 00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:16.679 you know their market are their marketable, their full selling of what they may 510 00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:21.000 like Clearly they're not going less than what they were making where they're leaving. 511 00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:29.000 I think there's an element that here in Michigan State is we have a lot 512 00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:32.360 of education. It's obviously we know what it has to do. We know, 513 00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:37.440 we know, we know what has to be done. I think there's 514 00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:42.880 an element of like we can no longer sit and say like, hey, 515 00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:45.719 guys want to be here, they will be here, like because that's that's 516 00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:50.079 definitely like not the case, because we've seen it. We have all three 517 00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:53.719 of our quarterbacks are in the portal, and there's an element of like, 518 00:37:54.199 --> 00:38:00.440 well, we got to bring we got to bring somebody in here. And 519 00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:06.440 and it's crazy to think that this guy is gonna make more than a lot 520 00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:13.199 of employees internally on his campus combined. But this is it, this is 521 00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:16.320 how it's been built. So for us, I just want us to be 522 00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:21.360 strategic. But clearly, you gotta you gotta open up the check book because 523 00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:25.960 you've seen Dion coach Prime start like we're not an ATM, Like don't you're 524 00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:30.199 not gonna come here and just try to make bank right, and then on 525 00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:34.599 the flip side saying, hey, donors, we need we need more money. 526 00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:37.920 And so there's a give and take, like you gotta be able to 527 00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:42.519 compete, like and it's if you don't compete, you don't get the players. 528 00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:46.800 It's a it's a it's gonna be a really big arms race to get 529 00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:51.880 the right players in here to be able to win games. But I was 530 00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:54.760 talking to someone with someone today and and you know, we brought up the 531 00:38:54.880 --> 00:39:00.000 education piece, like this is no longer by education anymore, Like this is 532 00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:05.679 no longer about your degree, Like it's sad academia. It's just sad that 533 00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:08.960 we're not saying, hey, who has the best college program for me? 534 00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:14.559 No, it's like, this is time to make all your money now so 535 00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:17.840 you can this is generational wealth. Now we're talking with these kids who some 536 00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:22.280 come from nothing, some come from good stock. But that's money that can 537 00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:25.360 really help troject and put them in a good spot after football is done, 538 00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:30.320 because clearly the percentage is low of going to the NFL. So why not 539 00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:36.119 make your money now? I mean, you have you got you got quarterback 540 00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:40.239 of USC's quarterback Williams. Right, he's like waiting on the last day deadline. 541 00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:44.239 Shit, I come back because I'm making money, Like I'm making more 542 00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:47.880 than anybody, like not anybody. He's making bigger than league minimum, So 543 00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:52.199 why sit there and go to the league versus like I can see if I 544 00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:57.440 can win a championship next year. So like there's the element of like people 545 00:39:57.440 --> 00:40:04.599 are guys are now deciding that I will make more in the collegiate level than 546 00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:07.519 I will make in the NFL right now, and that is mind blowing. 547 00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:12.719 But that's what this, this this landscape is. So for us in Michigan 548 00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:16.320 State, we gotta be we gotta be aggressive because we gotta we gotta do 549 00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:20.559 what we were saying we want to do. We gotta go out and do 550 00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:23.559 it. And it just is what it is that this is the football race 551 00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:28.880 right now. Basketball Coacho has he has a product, he has a brand 552 00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:32.440 that's consistently year in, year out. He has. That's coach Iso. 553 00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:37.199 Though right now with these new coaches coming in, they can't they can't do 554 00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:40.000 what that is because he's been here for so long. You gotta go out 555 00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:43.480 and get the players, and you gotta mean what you say, and you 556 00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:45.880 gotta you know, ow up to your commandment. We need you, all 557 00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:50.639 right, this is our this is our price, or hey, this is 558 00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:53.840 you gotta be Now's gotta be aggressive because if not, we are gonna be 559 00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:58.239 without a k B if we can't get nobody in here. Apparently we're seeing 560 00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:01.599 this right now from Oregon States, you know, rumors of him coming you 561 00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:07.280 know, to Michigan State entered in the portal and it's basically you know, 562 00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:10.880 we're talking about Aidan Charles right, oh Ayden, So yeah, let's get 563 00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:15.320 specific on that. We're talking about different positions of me because you talked about 564 00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:17.800 Deon Sanders kind of doing it about face a minute ago, saying hey, 565 00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:21.719 we're not going to be an ATM for players, but then after he got 566 00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:24.639 his butt kicked by Utah, he says, we definitely need giving. You 567 00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:30.039 know what I mean. It's unfortunate to say this, but some kids cost 568 00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:32.920 just can't sit here and talk about great coaching and great this and that and 569 00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:37.440 that all we want, but it's going to be a credit card swipe with 570 00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:42.239 all these guys going to these playoffs and I understand that. So what you're 571 00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:46.440 saying it is a a talent acquisition business as pure as you know the driven 572 00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:51.679 snow in America right now. It is about capitalization. And when you talk 573 00:41:51.719 --> 00:42:00.159 about education academia, if you are a player who is Power five worthy, 574 00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:05.400 who is being recruited by Power five school typically the power five schools, academics 575 00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:08.760 are you know, on par, especially in the Big ten. You look 576 00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:15.000 at sec pack well, the now defunct Pac twelve as my broadcast partner calls 577 00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:22.039 it, but Big twelve, acc all the pack two. Let's listen to 578 00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:27.360 two dollar bill too, dollar bill, y'all. You know, we appreciate 579 00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:30.760 guys who sent the collect you know, we put that collection plate last week 580 00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:32.960 a couple of days ago. That would be Steve Smith and Cal Ferret. 581 00:42:34.039 --> 00:42:37.639 We appreciate that. Didn't want to miss that. But listen, Look, 582 00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:42.639 it's a different it's a different world now, you know. And what do 583 00:42:42.679 --> 00:42:47.119 you do Like academics are are are on par everywhere, But what's the difference, 584 00:42:47.239 --> 00:42:50.679 Like do you want you know, I've seen a tweet the other day 585 00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:54.000 earlier today we saw it in our chat that a three star player had an 586 00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:58.559 offer of two twenty five from this school, two hundred from that school, 587 00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:01.519 and one seventy five. These are hundreds of thousands of dollars right, Okay 588 00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:05.960 from three different schools, and they named the schools. They wouldn't name the 589 00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:09.880 player that is. So look, you know we hear this right. We 590 00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:15.280 have guys and players and kids all over the country that talk about this and 591 00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:22.000 this is where college football is right now. You said Aiden Childs, Okay, 592 00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:25.280 there's a lot of rumors about him potentially coming to Michigan State. He's 593 00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:32.239 the freshman quarterback that just played a season in court Vallas. I'm not sure 594 00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:35.239 if he was able to keep the red shirt or not. I know that 595 00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:44.920 he played. Also, you look at their starting quarterback dj Ui Angalalay dj 596 00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:50.880 Yeah, you know, so you know that's the five star from Clemson goes 597 00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:58.320 over to Oregon State, specifically for Jonathan Smith. His father, Dave is 598 00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:00.400 a lightning ride of an individual. He's got a younger brother at ore again. 599 00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:07.039 Okay, so that there Saint John Bosco kids, same school that produced 600 00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:12.639 kyten Hauser. Okay, so yeah, so there we go, tony details 601 00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:15.480 right there. He played in five games, so he did burn his red 602 00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:22.400 shirt, so he only has three years of eligibility. Okay, yeah, 603 00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:29.440 unless he petitions in some way. Hey, child's at this point. Again, 604 00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:31.400 this is not eight pm for us. We did take this show a 605 00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:38.079 little earlier. Today has not hit the portal. You saw DJ's father being 606 00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:43.880 outspoken. He was upset about how coach Smith left. I haven't seen a 607 00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:47.559 coach leave a school where the school that was Yeah, yeah, everybody picked 608 00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:52.000 off. I remember, we're pissed off that Hal Saban left and we're crying 609 00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:55.199 about that. And I know that, you know, with Perlis he was 610 00:44:55.599 --> 00:45:00.800 fired. I know that John l was fired and Mel you know, was 611 00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:04.559 fired for cause as well. These are different situations. But when a team 612 00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:08.960 lures another school lures your coach away, seemingly for money and a better opportunity, 613 00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:13.760 as we just described in the graphic earlier in the show, people are 614 00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:16.679 upset. So you're you get this feeling like, okay, well, maybe 615 00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:21.639 DJ is going to stay and stick it out in court of Allas, and 616 00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:28.960 then boom, here we see Dj Ui Angla Lay's intent is to enter the 617 00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:37.320 portal. You like that it's in the portal and he's also available. Now 618 00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:40.719 what say you about that, like you have these opportunities to talk about what 619 00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:45.039 is a good quarterback? You have a proven guy who's been at two schools 620 00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:47.760 now right now, the pro scouts say that DJ is probably a fourth or 621 00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:52.679 fifth round pick if he does decide, and that's what his decision process is 622 00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:55.840 going to be, whether he's going to go to another school or go into 623 00:45:55.840 --> 00:46:00.320 the NFL draft. Yeah, I think there is uh, you know, 624 00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:07.920 do we have time to bring someone in fresh and and hope that they can 625 00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:14.079 convert to this level like you're going after like a freshman uh in this next 626 00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:19.440 class and then you know automatically beat you freshmen, or you go find someone 627 00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:24.519 who's proven, who's shown that they can play in big games. I don't 628 00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:29.719 know, it's it's it's a toss up because like, yes, we know 629 00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:32.360 we're gonna be in a rebuilding year. But when you look at our schedule 630 00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:37.960 straight you look at it where there's there is an opportunity depending on who all 631 00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:42.519 comes back, who's in the locker room by the time we signed, and 632 00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:49.320 they were like, we have an opportunity to go seven and five if you 633 00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:52.599 look at the games, like there's four games that are like primetime power games 634 00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:55.639 for US matchups, but if you look at the rest of the schedule, 635 00:46:57.000 --> 00:46:59.800 those are winnable games. Those are games that, like this past year we 636 00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:04.960 have we were in so this could be an opportunity to like, hey, 637 00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:12.079 let's go and just find our guy starting from the ground up freshman class and 638 00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:15.480 throw them out to the fire like other schools. Do you know Alabama will 639 00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:20.199 started two freshman quickly, right, like find someone who has the mechanics and 640 00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:23.039 you're able to groom them to what you need them to be, knowing that 641 00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:28.920 year one we're going to have some trials like not saying that this freshman quarterback 642 00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:32.159 could be better than what we had this past year and all three quarterbacks or 643 00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:36.119 just know you had to come up with a pretty penny to go get a 644 00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:40.039 top star quarterback in the portal and you got to commit to that. There's 645 00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:44.599 a happy medium there. So that's I think there's an element where coach Smith 646 00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:47.639 has to make that decision as she's out on the road recruiting. You got 647 00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:51.639 to think about he's gonna recruit young young kids, seniors you know, coming 648 00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:53.519 to the next class, but he also is going to recruit some maybe top 649 00:47:54.079 --> 00:48:00.159 five to ten guys in the portal that can help truly jump start what they 650 00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:02.480 are built at, what they're trying to get done here. Yeah, looking 651 00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:07.480 at that, you see it around the country. You're seeing it from a 652 00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:10.079 lot of well respected coaches, well respected programs. You know, they may 653 00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:15.800 be a great, great at developing players. But you see that that quarterback 654 00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:21.159 market, that secondary quarterback market, it's just like shoes nowadays, you know, 655 00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:24.679 like people used to do trading cards, now they do Jordan's and all 656 00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:30.679 kinds of different sneakers right the secondary market like Jordan's may retail at I don't 657 00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:35.760 know, three hundred dollars, but secondary market they're going for fifteen hundred dollars, 658 00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:39.239 okay, or more. It's the same way you have a recruit that 659 00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:45.280 comes in as a quarterback out of high school, but and his value may 660 00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:49.960 be x, but when you see him play as you've seen Aiden Child's play 661 00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:54.920 or better yet, dj uyangali Le play, where you know, okay, 662 00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:59.519 this guy is a plug and play guy. He knows this system. He's 663 00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:04.400 played in huge games all over the country. You see them putting the premium. 664 00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:07.119 There was a tweet a couple of days ago. I saw that there 665 00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:09.920 was one quarterback. I believe the Washington State quarterback at well Zoo quarterback got 666 00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:16.320 ten ten million offers. You know, yeah, yeah, and and you 667 00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:20.840 know when you when we getting back to that point about a guy like Caleb 668 00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:23.880 Williams, Caleb's like he's right there on the fence, like you did. 669 00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:28.000 The number one pick. Everybody says he's a consensus number one pick in the 670 00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:30.000 NFL draft. I don't think that's right. I don't think that's true though, 671 00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:34.239 unless you trade up. Clearly somebody's gonna trade up. But as the 672 00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:37.239 mayor's got the number one pick, like we can talk about that another situation. 673 00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:43.320 Ever So, but the boy Marvin Harrison was a good But see the 674 00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:46.239 value. Here's the problem with it because I and look, receivers are getting 675 00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:51.239 there because the receivers value in the free agent market, they're that they're they're 676 00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:55.519 above twenty five twenty five to thirty million dollars per year. Quarterbacks. I 677 00:49:55.519 --> 00:50:00.840 mean you're talking close to sixty million dollars per year. So this is why 678 00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:06.280 if you have a quarterback that is very good as a rookie and you can 679 00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:08.480 get him on a rookie deal, and you're only say it's the number one 680 00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:12.639 pick. You're you're paying him. It's the forty last year number one picks, 681 00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:15.679 the forty one point two million dollar contract. That's a five year deal, 682 00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:21.480 right, that's eight million dollars a year now, chump change in the 683 00:50:21.519 --> 00:50:25.559 world of quarterbacks in the NFL on their second deal and beyond the free agency 684 00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:31.119 market, but still much more per year than what he's even getting in commanding 685 00:50:31.239 --> 00:50:36.079 at USC. I know it's you know, team is saying that, you 686 00:50:36.119 --> 00:50:37.320 know, hey, we can hold that hold out and go back. I 687 00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:43.599 think he's in that four million dollar range right now at USC. Still like 688 00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:50.280 a message to those guys that from the Williams commercials, Man, he can't 689 00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:55.039 come back. He ain't commercial bro Heisman commercials like real deal. Yeah, 690 00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:59.480 not the local car company now, but guys like the dude down the road 691 00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:05.000 number two, little boy, a little little corn blake running back decides to 692 00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:08.159 come back, right he clearly I think he's in the two million dollar range 693 00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:13.519 or something. At Michigan. He clearly is making more than he would in 694 00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:23.760 the pross you know, and selling vacuums to door to door Stallion that what 695 00:51:23.800 --> 00:51:29.280 are you doing, oh little guy hanging out with old Stallions. You know, 696 00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:32.360 it's all I love, not really, but it is so look, 697 00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:39.480 I mean it is mind boggley to see where this thing is, how it's 698 00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:45.559 unfolding. But look, quarterbacks, we saw it happen two US a year 699 00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:50.039 ago with Peyton Thorn. He goes into the portal and is a starter. 700 00:51:50.360 --> 00:51:52.199 You know, it was up and down for him at Auburn, but he 701 00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:58.599 was right there on the cusp of beaten Alabama and the Iron Bowl just a 702 00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:02.719 week ago. You want guys who have been battle tested, and yeah, 703 00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:08.239 those guys command a lot of money. As you put it there. You 704 00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:13.519 know, I don't blame Keon because Keon is a different breed, right like 705 00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:16.880 Keon had you had to get out of here, and you see this man's 706 00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:22.800 All Conference, first Team All ACC and close to trying to get that bid 707 00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:27.159 and playing the a SEC Championship, but also trying to get the bid to 708 00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:32.159 you know, win the blending call with him compete with Marvin Harrison like that 709 00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:36.280 would not I mean, he would probably put up some numbers, but the 710 00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:39.199 numbers he put up in Florida State, So that's a that's a situation that's 711 00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:43.840 different. I think these guys saw that too. Being here. It's like 712 00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:46.079 man Keon got out and got to a system that fit him when like to 713 00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:52.599 your point, highlighted his expertise, his skill set to get him to be 714 00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:55.719 a first round draft pick. Now it's not like that for everybody, but 715 00:52:55.840 --> 00:53:00.000 when you see it, you clearly got It's like, oh my god, 716 00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:01.599 you got to take a chance. Like if you're feel it in your gut, 717 00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:05.440 you gotta take a chance. You got to do the opportunity because this 718 00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:09.239 rule the NIO allows you. It's afforded you the opportunity to do that. 719 00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:15.719 But at all, it ain't like where you seem bad. You seem good, 720 00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:17.239 you seem great, and you just don't want to be a guy who's 721 00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:21.920 gonna get in that portal and you're so prideful that you're not gonna get picked 722 00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:23.480 up and then you on the streets. And that's what I don't want to 723 00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:28.480 happen to any of our guys, right, So you got to be strategic. 724 00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:31.039 You gotta be strategic in this situation here where you know you got a 725 00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:36.760 full ride scholarship and you can you can go to work in all season and 726 00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:39.039 be able to have a ball out here this next season with a new coaching 727 00:53:39.079 --> 00:53:45.880 staff resurgence. Think about that outcome versus I'm sitting here just hoping and praying 728 00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:49.760 that somebody got a spot for me on the roster. That's a difference. 729 00:53:51.079 --> 00:53:54.239 There's a huge difference. And look again, this show is taped, and 730 00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:59.559 I know I can feel it in the group right now, there's somebody saying, 731 00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:04.039 but had better stats in Michigan State than he did down there in Florisa. 732 00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:07.679 I guarantee somebody, maybe Trevor somebody like that. It's probably saying that 733 00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:13.239 right about now. The look, it's a lot about you know, trusting 734 00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:16.960 the player and and you know Keon wants to be featured. And he went 735 00:54:17.039 --> 00:54:21.920 down there and there was already a number one receiver that first game again to 736 00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:25.719 LSU. You know how the NFL scouts looking nothing else that game. Right 737 00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:30.760 there, I was solidifying care what conference I am? I'm the best dog 738 00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:34.159 out here. That's the element like, yeah, you know he had stats 739 00:54:34.239 --> 00:54:37.840 or less than one he was here, but not touchdowns. But also primetime 740 00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:42.880 games is where he bought out to UH and you're in the a CC Championship 741 00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:46.159 and you win and you're almost in that college football playoff. Depending on how 742 00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:51.800 it plays out. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So for at 743 00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:53.239 first, yeah, man, I would love for him to be in the 744 00:54:53.239 --> 00:54:58.599 green and white. We know that guy to get out and be able to 745 00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:00.360 say, hey, I got to proven quarterback. We talked about, I 746 00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:04.960 got a proven quarterback who can get me the football, who give me that 747 00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:12.519 skin? And Georgeown's giving him that. Yeah. Unfortunately, Jordan got hurt, 748 00:55:12.559 --> 00:55:15.039 so he's he's not going to be playing in this. He got hurt 749 00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:21.599 two weeks ago. But he look, he don't look bad. A little 750 00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:25.599 slow, but you know, he got going. He got going. But 751 00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:30.760 you look guys like ke Kean. Now, yes, he had big games 752 00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:35.159 against Michigan and Ohio State. He because there was nobody that could stop him. 753 00:55:35.199 --> 00:55:38.960 But for whatever reason, we went away from and like we may go 754 00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:42.719 scratch our heads, say why why did they not go to him? He 755 00:55:42.840 --> 00:55:46.760 was you know, but if you are that person and you do have options, 756 00:55:47.199 --> 00:55:50.840 maybe you just think about it a little different, you know. So 757 00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:55.239 you know, again to the nil discussion real quick, you know, we 758 00:55:55.440 --> 00:56:00.000 we'll get out here in a minute. But there's a quote in the article 759 00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:04.800 from The OutKick that said, here's a donor at a program a Power five 760 00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:07.280 donor told Oalkick, I've got the university reaching out to me to help the 761 00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:13.280 facilities, while at the same time NIL group is looking for cash. Because 762 00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:17.519 of Nil, I'm being pulled in a different direction. Whereas in the past, 763 00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:21.760 I would just donate to the athletic department. But we're in a different 764 00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:25.199 world now. He goes on to say, we need the players to compete. 765 00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:30.280 So I've changed how I support football. I want to see my team 766 00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:34.599 winning on Saturday. So if that means donating to the collective to get a 767 00:56:34.599 --> 00:56:39.039 star player, that's how I choose to help the program. Now what was 768 00:56:39.079 --> 00:56:44.920 this? They just said Power five donor, one Power five donor. They 769 00:56:44.920 --> 00:56:49.199 didn't say where. But it's the attitude. And I know, look, 770 00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:52.599 we got a passionate fan base and we've got donors galore. But it's just 771 00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:57.039 getting everybody on that same page and say, you know, whether whether they 772 00:56:57.079 --> 00:57:00.960 want to say let's wait till we win to donate eight versus you gotta this 773 00:57:01.039 --> 00:57:06.239 is the this is the mindset that we're competing against. That's all I'm gonna 774 00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:08.039 to get across. That's all we want to do is give you the facts, 775 00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:15.719 the ideology that we're competing against. Is that That's why you're seeing these 776 00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:19.679 quarterbacks make these moves, and you're seeing players test the portals. They want 777 00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:22.960 to test the waters because they're hearing that and they're getting that from other coaches 778 00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:25.760 around the world. And we can get into the tampering discussion another day. 779 00:57:27.320 --> 00:57:30.559 Look, I don't care. They just must not be able to force enforce 780 00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:32.800 the tampering, you know, because I think the portal doesn't truly open until 781 00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:38.360 December fourth, but man, we're seeing fireworks already. Yeah, that's that's 782 00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:44.599 it's unfortunate that, like you're gonna have to hire people to go and make 783 00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:51.599 sure that they're monitoring like in season tampering. Like it's just crazy, Like 784 00:57:51.679 --> 00:57:55.440 it's crazy. It's crazy that it's almost like you got to report every transaction 785 00:57:55.519 --> 00:58:00.159 in your DM, so every interaction just like complying like you're legit, Like 786 00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:05.679 hey, if you get if you get an owreach to anyone, like you've 787 00:58:05.679 --> 00:58:09.119 got to document it and you got to purport that. Or there's there's some 788 00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:14.159 there's some violations, you know, like you cannot. I don't care if 789 00:58:14.199 --> 00:58:19.480 it's your uncle, it's your analysts or whoever it is one of your high 790 00:58:19.519 --> 00:58:22.159 school coaches in the coach contact your high school coach, heyd is in the 791 00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:25.920 call straight see if you want to make the switch, make you can't like 792 00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:30.719 you got to clean it up, man, because this happening every second of 793 00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:34.440 every day. But see some of this. It reminds me of a quote 794 00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:38.480 I've seen from a guy in one of the recruiting analysts who said that, 795 00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:42.440 you know, there's been these coaches that are always complaining in the high school 796 00:58:42.519 --> 00:58:45.840 level because it's happened in high school too. Just coaches poaching players left and 797 00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:50.039 right. At these large high schools, you see a lot of movement. 798 00:58:50.159 --> 00:58:53.920 Michigan is one of the most strict states in the nhs a A, but 799 00:58:54.039 --> 00:58:59.119 other states it's very There's a lot of movement out there and people always complaining. 800 00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:02.920 I mean, you hear fights between coaches, but when they broke it 801 00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:07.480 down, they say, look, I ain't reaching out to your players. 802 00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:12.280 Your players reaching out to me, and what you The same thing is happening, 803 00:59:12.440 --> 00:59:15.639 and I everybody thinks tampering a lot of times. But there's what they 804 00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:22.840 call back channeling. Back channeling. What that is is players that go to 805 00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:25.239 their high school coach rather than the coach from a Power five going to the 806 00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:29.480 high school coach. The player goes to the high school coach and says, 807 00:59:29.519 --> 00:59:35.639 hey, I might be looking. You know. That's more accurate as to 808 00:59:35.719 --> 00:59:42.039 how this unfolds until the player publicly announces what you've seen. This is basically 809 00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:45.320 inviting coaches to slide in the d ms when they put that. You know, 810 00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:49.280 we've been seeing a lot of these graphics, these nice ones with the 811 00:59:49.360 --> 00:59:51.800 right you know, all the writing, you know, all glory be to 812 00:59:51.880 --> 00:59:57.360 God. You know they got the h my gosh, there's a lot of 813 00:59:57.360 --> 01:00:02.360 plag is the trend of like an ai a bot of like writing your stuff 814 01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:07.880 like yo, you always got I gotta first think the Lord, my lord 815 01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:13.320 saying with Jesus Christ. But I'm leaving, you know, like like I 816 01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:17.480 always love you, my heart, I'm looking for that. It's not go 817 01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:21.440 green, it's go cash, right, go green. And to me, 818 01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:25.480 I just gotta as a as a young man knowing like you not you. 819 01:00:25.639 --> 01:00:30.199 There's some guys that are buttoned up and they financially know what they're doing and 820 01:00:30.239 --> 01:00:35.119 they're smart, but like it's got to be exhausted mentally, bro Like just 821 01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:39.280 just the weight of like the uncertainty, the security and the future. Like 822 01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:44.360 it's got to be exhausted man mentally that these guys, like there's so many 823 01:00:44.400 --> 01:00:47.480 options, there's so many like just free will the versus like you know, 824 01:00:47.719 --> 01:00:51.559 it is your, it is your the world's your oyster at this point, 825 01:00:51.639 --> 01:00:55.360 like from every situation versus like, man, I'm just glad I got here 826 01:00:55.519 --> 01:01:00.400 and I'm gonna stay here regardless, and like that mentality is long gone. 827 01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:04.239 So it's it's it's sad, it's unfortunate. But it's got to be a 828 01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:07.440 tough battle. These guys go through any student athlete. I bought the male, 829 01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:10.440 the female, the women of the man. It is a tough battle 830 01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:16.159 to understand, like sticking something out versus like hitting the exit button as soon 831 01:01:16.159 --> 01:01:20.119 as one thing happened. You know. I think that's an element of like 832 01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:23.239 it's tough. It is tough, but this is up there living in and 833 01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:27.719 this is the opportunity for them to do what they feel and pleased to do. 834 01:01:28.400 --> 01:01:30.360 But it's got to be exhausted mentally. And I pray for these guys 835 01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:36.079 mentally mental state because you know, yeah, you want you don't want to 836 01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:39.800 switch, but you've got opportunities to so like you'll be a fool to turn 837 01:01:39.880 --> 01:01:46.079 down this money right like it's it's it's crazy. Money is the root of 838 01:01:46.079 --> 01:01:51.360 all either but the love, the love, the love of money. There 839 01:01:51.679 --> 01:01:59.480 the love of money we always love because you need money to about now. 840 01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:05.559 So it's not everything my father says, but it works. You know, 841 01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:08.599 you brought me to Chuck Brantley. You know how we had him on the 842 01:02:08.639 --> 01:02:14.639 show when he was deciding to come back, and how scary it was for 843 01:02:14.719 --> 01:02:17.800 him to go into the portal and what it's like being in there at that 844 01:02:17.880 --> 01:02:23.079 time. I think as this continues to progress and evolve, players are getting 845 01:02:23.199 --> 01:02:28.880 less and less apprehensive they're going in there. They know because they can put 846 01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:30.480 your left foot in, put your right foot out. They can get in 847 01:02:30.519 --> 01:02:36.239 and out pretty easily now if they so choosing. You know, I think 848 01:02:36.280 --> 01:02:39.960 that there's a lot to be learned from this, and as we continue otis 849 01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:44.199 I mean, look, man, we're going to break down more of this 850 01:02:44.280 --> 01:02:46.719 and world follow this total trend. Obviously, this is where you get the 851 01:02:46.760 --> 01:02:51.400 news. Like I said, this is the only show about Spartan Dogs hosted 852 01:02:51.400 --> 01:02:53.880 by Spartan Dogs, so we're going to always bring you the real deal. 853 01:02:53.920 --> 01:02:59.239 We're going to have recruiting analysts on We're gonna have people from Oregon State once 854 01:02:59.280 --> 01:03:02.639 they are are so inclined to join us. After we can you know, 855 01:03:02.719 --> 01:03:07.280 the dust settles a bit in Corvallis. We're gonna have current players and former 856 01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:12.360 players to discuss this in more depth on Tuesday show. We've got to get 857 01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:15.360 into the exces and up and find out like where what positions of need because 858 01:03:15.440 --> 01:03:19.719 right now it's hard to see. We know quarterbacks, we absolutely need those 859 01:03:19.719 --> 01:03:22.440 guys in offensive linemen. They've been pillaged for now. But we'll see how 860 01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:27.639 this thing shakes out and get into more of those details as it unfolds, 861 01:03:27.679 --> 01:03:31.079 as we always do. So until next time. For Otis Wiley, I'm 862 01:03:31.159 --> 01:03:35.599 Jason Straehorn. This is part of MSU. Have a good night, God 863 01:03:35.639 --> 01:03:39.840 bless you and go gree Go Whight. This is part of MSU is a 864 01:03:39.880 --> 01:03:45.880 combined presentation of PLAYFLA Sports Properties and Michigan State Sports Properties. The show is 865 01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:52.920 produced by Tony Le Barbara Tony Gastella and Process Driven Consulting. Additional supports provided 866 01:03:52.920 --> 01:04:00.239 by Brendan Durabage. On location technical support provided by Good Fruit Video. 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