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I don' t like Parigi' s dumb puss, Mrs St Pario,
do your head. In the Dominican Republic we know more about ball than about
our laws to talk about laws and a little clique ball rhythms of the morning.
Juan Arturo said you know how great I am to invite a friend of
yours for a threesome and then your husband ends up falling in love with your
friend and then prefers the other one, i e your friend, instead of
you. That' s why I never recommend threesomes. Guys are only heavy
in movies you see of pornography. The welcome to the son of Doña Maira
Greetings good morning, and never do it with your partner search be now accurate.
Don' t write to me that I have many places where you can
go to get supplies for that activity. You know that way, and if
you want to include me, I get into everything, too. But papobre
chao to participate. I can' t participate. I can work chap I
can come on. I told you the orchestra what you want to know.
There are tools and skills. I' m not lacking and you have the
information there. Gentlemen, good morning. Happy to be back here with you.
I usually look at issues that are not well discussed and that are thorny
by their nature. I' ve been trying to stay out of it and
it' s been my policy since I' ve talked to this before.
It is an issue that I have always noticed and I have celebrated it clearly
because of the fact that I am one of those who think that in order
to have serious debates, we all have to be in a position to have
a serious debate. Today we will fight them and listen. Today we are
going to discuss the issue of the three causes, abortion, in the draft
code, the draft penal code, the Dominican Republic, and that is really
what we are discussing. But I' m going to talk about it from
the perspective of what we' re talking about today. Not about agendas,
not about whether they want free abortion, no, nothing. That' s
what we' re discussing today in the project, what I' m interested
in analyzing and I want to start already designed by the way, that hasn
' t gotten you into the project, of course, exactly, starting from
there starting from there. But I want to start by saying that this is
not the main or real reason why that Penal Code that we are discussing today
has almost tardy years of discussion going on in gabetado. That' s the
first thing. It is not true if the Dominican legal community were honest enough
at the time of raising its criticisms or its positions on the subject. Everyone
knows what the real reason politicians set up a theater is, they pay a
group of elements to mount a pantomime and then succumb to the boat and sink.
Of course and they are twenty- three years old in that, and
you realize that there is no real motivation to prove the Penal Code by the
date when they introduce me just over a month after the President' s inauguration
of the second term to winemaker now little hand. It seems as if the
project was reintroduced was a month and a half, almost two months. And
something that you said here in private about two weeks ago that later I kept
that reflection, and that is that the mere wording of how the text is
written leaves you very clear that there is no intention, because the carelessness that
there is in the wording continuously, article by article of very ambiguous things,
you know that they are interpreted in ten different ways, et cetera. A
language that is not so clear, so literal of what more people want to
realize has to be very punctual well literal, that the expression is not interpreted
beyond what the same norm can give space. Make it right, he tells
you that there is no intention that what we were doing is victim of what
of another season of the theater, of the criminal procedure code that goes for
his season number nine. It really goes around and what strikes me particularly is
that for me this is not a serious debate and it is not a serious
debate on the part of either of the two opposing factions, neither for the
provida nor for the advocates of the causes. It' s not because the
first thing you do in a serious debate is show real data and statistics that
are, well, representative of a population about eleven million people, in which
you, the exact truth show this is a problem or this is not a
problem Let' s start out there and you can say by listening good.
What happens is that there they want to ban or they want that to be
done. But people live doing abortion. That' s how you see bottles
and hangers and it' s a murder. He' s been banned since
day one. The man organized himself clearly and people continue to kill and not
why they kill each other. Then they open no, people kill themselves as
they want. Let' s punish murder, where the logic of truth is
absurd. When we started living in society that we understood we didn' t
need each other, we understood right there that killing your neighbor was more problematic
than solving a situation. Although there are excellent and very specific exceptions, some
things. Why I say this is a serious debate. It' s not
serious. First of all, I have not seen the first real representative study
based not only on quantitative and qualitative, but also on sociological, psychological and
actual victims of this situation. Nor have I seen the first proposals that seek
to improve the system after the birth of that pregnant boy. From this comes,
she gets pregnant and that gives light is that basically what we are in
the middle of all this is being at the center of the worst situation.
It' s that both sides appeal to the right feelings, to the right
emotions, and you' re right if this is serious, if it'
s all for real, I both listen and listen to one side and listen
to the other. I think one side there are people who are convinced that
yes, that this is convenient, necessary, etcetera, and argue some of
those people in a solid way. And on the other side there are also
people who also present data, present information, etcetera, and propose alternatives also
to what you say. But that is not the majority of the debate.
Basically, the fucking conservatives want your daughter raped and you can' t get
out of that boy. But let' s go to the real statistics.
That' s really a problem in the Dominican Republic. That' s why
I started. That way then let' s go to the real statistics.
They want because everyone here talks, but what they want or not men who
can compete for abortion, because it is an edition of love for the group
of people who are deciding for women individually. Sure and me, to make
a boy it takes two exactly. One has to be one man and the
other you have. I like Deathshappel' s approach. For me, abortion
is easy to solve. If you want it, here and I don'
t want it. Well, your richest and your rutor is yours. Get
the boy out. But if I don' t want to see boy,
you don' t want him, get out, you stay with him.
I don' t want paternity. I do not want responsibility and I want
sheath, because it has to be equal clear, because in the United States,
when a woman wanted it, she said, I want it, it
is going point, but if she wants it and the man does not want
it, Chile her pol forced until eighteen. Not other than that, and
I want to focus on the back to and what I just said about when
a girl gets pregnant, and I' m only going to refer to two
to two of the causal ones, because already the incompatibility with life and that
has to talk about it exactly. There is already an exception that sets out
the most drafted current wording, but it is an exception, because the problem
is that those who can interpret this exception are fical judges, not doctors,
who are there with the problem. I understand six of that writing for Thursday
' s digifical to play the given stick as a ponca, but not the
doctor. He' s got a girl who' s got complications with target
kind of things. There is a principle that many of those who support are
not including causal ones. At the time, in two thousand and thirteen,
they supported the sentence of constitutional on the subject of nationality and eight, which
was a principle that seems quite logical to me, of an illegality in that
case, in the matter of migration, can not arise a legality. So
in those two causes, when we refer to incest rape, we are facing
two crimes that are criminalized in the Dominican Republic, which have penalties. So,
when one of those two crimes is committed, you force a person to
take charge, a woman, in this case, of a belief that it
was pro that she was born in the umbrella of the Commission of a crime,
is a bit morally speaking above. It' s conflicting. That'
s what I think I' m asking, you want to have it.
Yeah, hit him over there? You don' t want it, don
' t hit it there. Then that' s where I temptfully remember you.
Then that' s where I go. Let' s assume that woman,
for whatever, okay, I' m gonna complete this pregnancy, but
I don' t want to. I don' t want to. What
happens is that here what you want to establish is that a person, because
that is already part of the story. You know her pretty well that she
' s a person who gets pregnant. Let' s say in an incestuous
rape her father entered her carnally on several occasions and on one of them she
became pregnant and then this person, in that context, does not have the
freedom or would be without the freedom to decide whether or not to want it,
because they make it beautiful. But immediately, as happens in Spain,
for example, anyone says that they rape her with that boy, of course,
then it is a subject that I know how conflicting I have done and
you will not come to reason with anyone arguing about it. Not because they
always appeal to me He gave me not because you, since you have no
daughters, look brother if I had her, because people talk like you have
no family. Of course, I have families who have been savagely raped.
I know what it' s like to live with people who had to come
home in hours of the night, were ambushed, thrown into a bush,
savagely raped with their entire vagina torn apart because they didn' t just settle
for penetrating it. He put a stick in him and had to take him
out of emergency because he was bleeding out. And that' s that healing
process that of that trauma that that person is going through, you have to
witness every day. That, that can' t swim and tell me that
I don' t know what' s there, because I lived it when
I was thirteen with a cousin of mine. So it' s not a
matter of sentimentality or the vanity of traditionalities, of clear reality, so we
can' t reduce here to saying that you don' t know, that
you' re not supposed to know. It' s a subject of this
that you' re not empathetic. But, Brother, when abello comes,
I am more empathetic than many who are pretending empathy that they have not passed
even near a clinic, a therapist who attends to sexually abused women. Likewise,
that and the theme of the next one, let' s assume that
this young woman decides that she will continue with the pregnancy. He doesn'
t want to abort, but he doesn' t want to hold the creature
responsible. And you say ah to hand over to Conani adupsión, but it
is already necessary to counterprove that Annie does not have the means to deal with
all these cases, neither administrative nor economic. And it' s not gonna
drive you. No. No. And the subject of the se for nothing.
And the worst is that the adoption process in the Dominican Republic is one
of the most cumbersome, long, laudable and necessarily bureaucratic and most humiliating processes
in the country, in the country, in the region. Listen to me
because I' m talking about the experience I' ve had with that kind
of process. That' s humiliating for the human being. You what you
give the hope to a little boy that they will adopt him and, suddenly,
by a role implemente, carajeto complement exactly by some missing papers that not
that the whole option process has already fallen. That' s humiliating for the
human being and that boy you' re not getting a level education because they
can' t, they can' t with her, they don' t
have the staff prepared, qualified, available and enough to raise that boy in
what appears to be adopted. And above that is the prohibition that single people
can adopt in a country where most homes are we will play for more parts
fifty- three percent. I don' t know about the last census,
and I think it' s going through seventy- five percent of the children
of age, among children and teenagers growing up in a home where they swim
and there' s one of the parents. Then it doesn' t adapt
to reality. And that' s the kind of global discussion that we really
have to have on this objective topic you understand, but also realistic, of
course it' s adapted to those we have. It does not repeat that
the studies of Fulano, such to the Pan, such country, ok TE
serve as platform. As ok we will see to compare the region and when
you are international you compare other countries and those are problems in other countries and
solutions that they can apply and see if your country works. Here we want
to bring all the coal. International law is supposed to be a subject of
comparison and see if it works. But it doesn' t work. And
we have had that conversation about many laws that have arrived here in the Dominican
Republic. They are model laws, laws imposed copied laws that are not adapted
to the reality of the country. And there' s a question that I
used the other day a pretty interesting metaphor. There is much appeal to ad
populum arguments here. Most countries in the world have approved abortion congratulations. Possibly
this society, its composition, form of regret and culture, is not something
that it wants or that is acceptable, decided not to have it. In
Saudi Arabia. Women couldn' t handle the other days. In most countries
women drive when Arabia wanted to, let them handle that well they are letting
them be more equal to men than they were seven years ago. The argument
they are also raising is not because in developed countries our social, cultural reality,
all aspects that have to see how a society performs, does not demand
that everything that happens in Sweden or what is given to France or whatever is
in the United States is brought here because the world has to see it as
and was the metaphor that I used. The world must be seen as a
school with all three levels of middle physical education. Here we want to put
being us primary, that is, we are learning to be organized society.
We are not, but we want to be given the subjects of pre-
university students in third grade, which I think we do. Per second.
Then there are questions that cannot be brought up because reality does not admit them
and too much. There are examples that overflow any vessel where you' re
going to throw them right and I think that' s also the discussion we
should have. The President is out there with his reformist drive, but what
are the real things that are urgent and what are not urgent? And I
was talking early about this issue of the Penal Code just getting here, so
you initially raise it because you don' t want to prove it. And
secondly, because, unfortunately, this country does not have responsible and committed political
leadership. Or the things that you truly read demand society at the moment and
that you urgently need, because, although it sounds cruel, what I'
m going to say, if there' s something that' s not a
problem in this payas maybe a boy. If there' s anything here,
don' t let a doctor go to jail because he had to do his
job as a doctor. If there' s anything here, it' s
just that a woman has the victory because she took off or in Najayo women
because the decu saw a little face taken out. That doesn' t happen
in this country. That' s not urgent and let' s be honest
to say that. That' s not an important issue in the Dominican Republic,
so they don' t impose it as an emergency drink or death.
It' s not then when society goes out there pussy and let future generations
discuss the issues, because what we' re in the paleolithic we' re
not going to agree. But we also need to solve the fucking problems.
Code that there are three hundred and fifty- eight thousand new pedal types that
are not covered by law, people and pending legislation and that yes, it
is urgent, look and there are things and that is why I did not
tell you at the beginning when it raises the issue that we are not having
a serious debate, that has not been shown statistics, serious, complete,
representative of what happens in the Dominican Republic. And what strikes me is that,
there are so many things in this code that we have to discuss,
we are distracted only by this issue because what you raise is not an urgency.
You can not toter them, but it is the subject that always makes
noises and here it seems that we do not put cases that to the crimes
of corruption has opened a catalog that is very nice, very wide, that
cool that there are new crimes related to administrative corruption. That' s excellent,
but they took away the imprescriptibility. I mean, a people who make
a cry of corruption and it' s been 20 years before we know it,
you' re gonna come out of it, because you' re not
gonna be able to chase it. And in that sense, there are two
currents of thought where I have seen discussions in other countries on this same issue.
There are countries that have the imprescriptibility. We have it in force all
of us. There are others who don' t. And the argument of
those who have it, they have to be prescriptible. The crimes say what
happens that in the future could people and for an unhealthy intention, a man
who is already twenty years old that the invention is gone a far from life.
OK. All right, that' s all possible, but what'
s the Dominican legal tradition of it being imprescriptible already and so it has to
be that way. No. And the point is that in weak judicial systems
like ours, it has to be like this because we realize that they steal
from us, because we get to the house and we run out of it
as it goes here. But here, you kind of lack the furniture,
you don' t understand. Then, unfortunately, our social and legal reality
becomes. And I tell you one thing, you know that the argument was
tried to get her through eighty- six with the crimes of that humanity.
Not that in the eighty- six states that you will not be able to
exercise control in migration. Here there were people who came out in the media
saying that that is a rite of humanity' s departures in that project,
that' s a lie the same eighty- six makes the exception to you
the parish priest telling you that the authorities can exercise their equal immigration control and
that I don' t just rite in that humanity. Which means there have
to be some characteristics. To say, what happens is that they were feeling
what topics were going to be incendiary to distract us all in everything. This
penal code seems to have been drafted by a paralegal who is taking his first
kind of introduction to the law. That' s what a reputed social media
lawyer said. The other day, I said she' s read things wrong.
But where this code came from, the world stopped. I don'
t know where people got project, so you had to tell me the job
you went through to find it? Finding it wasn' t available until the
day you sent it to me exactly that day I looked it up to the
work of life. You know that to find it was I had to turn
everything like me, I am not a lawyer myself, if what I wanted
was simply to concentrate on the points that dominated the discussion at that time,
which was the approach made by Mr Cedeño. I didn' t want to
read a note. I didn' t want to read a story. I
wanted to read it. And certainly, both the one hundred and thirty-
four and the one hundred and thirty- five And the paragraph that has that
I think is leftover is a thorny subject too, but we did not discuss
the article, but what Eugenio Cedeño said. Of course I don' t
care what I said. He can take that stand and have that conviction written
in stone. I want to see what he is saying about what leads him
to comment or example. And that didn' t happen last week. He
doesn' t know any public means of the article. There was no serious
discussion about the denial of the article. Exactly then. That' s the
point. I think what you' re doing is very valid and I'
ve said it before. I share your position. Sometimes you don' t
have to wet your feet, but in these shows, in these pods,
you better keep the shore of the beaches. Definitely, I' m being
very cautious about this kind of subject, because I don' t want either
of Postter' s two not semi parts. I don' t give a
shit about cannon meat,' cause that' s what they do. They
get the cut out, they don' t put the whole explanation of what
we talked about here today and they grab you and drag you. Law degree
agrees with Arden' s three reasons for such a radio program says that raped
women should have the same child. No. I don' t think they
should or shouldn' t. I think you should be free to decide what
the fuck you want to do with your life by now. Of course,
and in that I' m clear and I have a conviction that I think
abortion is a horrible act, but I also understand that I can' t
tell people that it looks like a boy either. So there I bump into
my ideas and my values, because it' s a conflict that even those
of us who are more liberal in thought. We have it, they'
re not so simple. It doesn' t solve it' s black and
white. Or this isn' t white and no. In the middle there
are too many nuances, too many situations of people who are trampling between the
legs of horses in the middle of a discussion that is not serious. It
' s not serious. You were talking about that there' s a sector
that you' re getting money or a holster. It' s not just
a sector. Everyone here is getting a quarter- cast and we' re
talking about another free topic. So good graduate. I think we need to
give him a second part of this. But I give you this optics.
I think you can even talk about it quietly, get the emotion out of
your feelings, because I set the example of my relative' s case,
because sometimes people think that you take positions, because you' re far from
everything, that you don' t know the world. You know it the
world, that that' s foreign to you, that you' re incapable
of being empathetic. I' m not, but I don' t see
the things in the discussions of issues as complex from such an emotional and manichean
perspective as they want to put it to me. And maybe in that,
maybe in that I' m being as objective as possible. This here is
a lot of Manichaeism, a lot of ochestorsion. There are people who act
in good faith on one side and on the other, but most on the
other side are not doing so. So it is if you can not follow
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he gave me a tongue fight and I went home. Dona, I'
m the same. The invitation is open, but without tongue fighting, Doña
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well and what the devil that gave him. Oh, okay, thanks to
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