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can you do that? No, you can't ship sealed product across the across
the borders or whatever. But I've got I've got you one up. We
saw the preview on the TV behind us. You'd see if you're watching on
YouTube, you'd see if you're watching that that was pretty ser Gary Brando missed
his mark, I missed the queue. That was like eat him up and
everything. I honestly blanked on that. I've Wow. That's how you That's
also how you turn into a skeleton. Wow. That was embarrassing, is
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to do it. I would love to do that. We had a new
one up come out last Friday. Yeah, I do have a note I
would like to make on that, an adendum because i'd grow quote because I
did get demolished on the box. But of note, I didn't use my
new gimmick, which is still waiting in the wings. I'm still going to
spoil what it is because it's pretty cool and I don't even know what it
is. Nobody, even Sam was there helping me record the video. She
doesn't even know what it is. If you ever wanted to see a grown
man cry after opening magic cards and not in a good way, Oh,
I got exactly what I wanted. This is so memorable. This is like
the best gift ever, right, like when you give wedd present magic cards,
or like when I've given painted cards to people. Sometimes they get emotional
if I do like a portrait of a pet or a family member or something.
Yeah, nope, he got pounded so hard after spending all the money.
Yeah, even with the fusion discuss. Yes, I teared up.
It was terrible. The addendum I want to make is I acknowledge yes I
did open a couple of expensive cards, but that didn't A couple of expensive
cards do not recoup the losses from that box. And I did open a
card that I actually was excited about, but if you watch the video right
I opened it was an Oscalot pride old border foil, which is actually really
cool. Oh yeah yeah, And I opened it up and then I was
like, I didn't immediately recognize what it was, so I chucked it.
And because the way that I'm looking through the camera and the cards on the
table are all kind of blurry, so I was like, wait a minute,
was that an Osalot Pride? And I reached down and I pick up
a different foil border white card. There was also a rare and I was
like, man, this card fucking sucks. So like I did miss like
the one car I was actually excited to open in the box, so I
could not acknowledge it. So for all the people that caught that, I
appreciate you. And for all the people that think I'm an idiot, you're
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I was thinking of, like fillings when you go to the dentist,
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tried so hard to convince her to change the wedding and she just won't.
No, because they want to have it as close to Halloween as possible.
Have it on Halloween. That was against the rules though, Plus it's not
a weekend. Well shit right, that's stupid. Why can't Halloween be one
of those holidays like Easter where it always falls on a Saturday. Sunday,
No Saturday, because then you can go out and get juice and you still
have a day later recover. I like the way you do Easter, everybody.
Easter is always on Sunday, but Halloween should always be on a Saturday.
Am I wrong? I don't think I'm wrong. You know what.
I'm a big supporter of Halloween on Friday because then you can still do like
all your Friday stuff, like go to work dressed up or like without any
costume on, or go to school with your costume on, or like go
to the mall. I don't know, whatever kids freaking do. Ok,
let's go on. You're right, Friday, Halloween Friday. It should just
be Halloween Friday. There's a bunch of holidays actually that makes sense to have
on Friday, Like Saint Patrick's. Everybody's going to get drunk at the bar.
Nobody wants to do. I mean, people do want to do that
on Saturday. But how much better does it feel going to the bar directly
after work? Oh man? Oh yeah, oh yeah? And then you
go home thinking you're a leprechaun. Yeah, well you feel like that all
the time because you're short and you want it's like a goblin. Yes,
yes, I can use the leprechawndor at a shaz that's a local bar here
in town. I do use the leprechaon door often. There You go,
Okay, Well, any leprechauns in the modern horizons three pre cons? No,
do we have Leprechawn as I feel like that might be a culturally sensitive
Why they don't want to do I think technically we might. Are you getting
canceled because we said Leprechawn? No way, I don't think so. I
think that a leprechawn, like if you look at them and like the classifications
of whatever, I think they're a type of fairy. So technically we could
have leprechauns Okay. I think if anybody's going to be a fairy, it's
gonna be omo queen of a zouva. Correct. Now, we previewed this
or we didn't preview We talked about it on our legendary review show a couple
of weeks ago. We did. And you asked for people to send this
deck into you. Yes, and we've got some submissions. Maybe we'll take
a look. Keep those coming in. If you're a Patreon supporter, we've
got deckless channels in our discord. Make sure you tag me yes. Deck
list channels in the discord. There's a there's a seven AF deck list,
there's a degenerate deck list, and then there's like a preferred deck list channel
that we use for the show. And that's the number one way that we
find our decks and get get the UMO suggestions in there, because I think
this deck, this pre con actually rips, even though we kind of reviewed
Olmo Queen of Vesuva as kind of like a humdrum. Yeah, and I
mean that sometimes happens. Give me your first take, Give me your take
on this pre con. Because our our friend f you aiden played this pre
con and kicked your ass or what, No, he did not, he
did not kick my ass. I won that game, thank you. So
I've played a couple of games against this deck, okay, and I have
a couple of suggested decks that have been sent into us. So having looked
at all of that and the pre con, I can sort of conclude that
the pre con itself is kind of unfocused. Like we said, it's got
a really good base, and it can make a ton of manna and do
all the simic stuff plus like just it can do lots of neat shit,
but it's not set up the way that it comes out of the box to
really take advantage of it. Of of Omo and her ability, like okay,
everybody, let's let's give her a quick read. When Oma, Queen
of Asuva enters a battlefield or attacks, put an everything counter on each of
up to one target land and up to one target creature each land and creature
within everything counter on It is everything, yeah, right, So all of
the lands are their minds, their towers, their power plants, they're everything
that they could be. And all of the creatures become changelings, so they
get bonuses for being whatever creature type cards you're playing that care about that very
much? Correct, Yes, So what I've seen so far is there's what
f you Aiden did was he went in and he dumped a bunch of like
ex spells in because this deck can make so much manna. Okay, so
he put in things like Genesis Wave and hydras and all this stuff to take
advantage of just the oh these are the upgrade, he'd be amazing. Yeah,
he threw in some stuff. It wasn't like upgraded all the way,
but he was just trying some neat stuff. Okay. And then we had
one of our submissions that was sent it in. Sent In is very much
a Gates deck, and again this is a really good upgrade. Is they
just went hard on Gates. There's amazes and there's all the gates from Balder's
Gate, which has like lots of really solid stuff which gives it like a
really powerful five color Manta baseball. And then you can play like trans gild
Gate or whatever, and the simic gate that might actually even come in the
deck. I don't know if it does or not, but it does.
I just saw it on the thing there. You can you can play the
gates that you already want to play for Man of Fixing, and then you
can play the ones that also give you the the bonuses that you're after,
I guess. And then with Omo you can turn all of your other lands
into gates, which then now you have ten on ten gates of different names
and you win. So you could have an alternate wind Con Mazes End upgrade
to this on the cheap, like at a cost of bun. Yeah,
all you need. The only cards you actually need to do that is Mazes
End. You only need Mazes End, which is really cool. Well that's
easy. And then we saw another one. Another guy sent in one that
was it was a it was an amalgamation of this, and then a bunch
of stuff from the pre con from thunder Junction that took advantage of deserts.
So it had somebody else that made a desert deck out of it, right,
which it was a little bit I don't want to say it was less
good because it's not less good because the guy obviously thought it was going to
be fun. But it was a little bit less cohesive. But it really
take advantage of lands coming in, lands going out. It's another lands deck
but in a different way, which is really cool. Yeah, and again
deserts of old like desert, and then we got the desert from Amancat and
we got other things that might care about desert in card or creature form.
If you control a desert this or for every desert something something right, yep,
So you could do desert and then the only limiting factor in that would
would just be the semic color identity instead of like five color deserts. Because
that's so interesting, right, or or the new what's the new? What
is he the Naya guy? Or is he is he the dog just hacked
or or a jung guy or something that that cares about deserts. He's one
of the pre con guy from thunder Junction. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah. I was playing against that deck the other day with my everything deck
with my uh or far the all form, which is I think another direction
you could go with with Omo in that you just play all the mr folk
lords, all the elf lords, all the archer lords, archer lords.
Yeah, what other lords are there in those two colors that are good?
Wow? No, this is commander cook up. They don't play dick cards
that are good. I think the best one is I think there's an archer
when it makes your archers bigger and gives them like reach and death touch or
something, ye, which is pretty good. Which is good. Yeah,
you could play all of the all of the things that make your lands into
creatures. I guess they do a little bit of that in the Omo deck
already. Yeah. I think that that was one of the things I thought
was kind of not so great because the two face commanders of that deck don't
really work well together because one of them cares about land creatures and Olmo's everything
counters don't turn your dudes into lands. Does that make sense? So the
other guy's power, like his ability doesn't really work. And there's not a
huge density of man lands in here. Yeah yea, And they didn't pay
what's his name, the Great Green Warden that turns all your dudes into forests.
Oh, that guy would be so cool in here, because now your
creatures with everything counters are lands too, So they're also deserts, and they're
also gates, and they're also towers and mines. And my dry ad arbor
forest guy, yeah, is a desert. Yes, I can't imagine what
his bedroom life would be like, but I just dry and rasp me.
But just the fact that we can say that is really cool. Okay,
that makes me happy about this deck. Now, interesting about this deck now
the week of release, this is if you were to buy all one hundred
of these cards individually, the Almo deck is the most expensive deck to buy,
not the l Drawsy one. And the reason for them, I would
argue that this one with a whole bunch of stuff that works with lands.
And not only do they work with lands, they either are lands, and
those lands are colorless for lack of a better word, they have no color
identity, like a city of brass and stuff. Right, So a lot
of the really expensive stuff are the new lands that come in. There's the
uh, the land that's everything all the time. Yep, that's the that's
the planar nexus, that's the everything land and then there's the the really cool
the Talent Gates Talent Gate good Madara. Remember I made a plane of this
and then wats he came out with a plane called the Talent Gates. Then
we did the same fricking things. Some mine is better read this one.
Okay, this is a good car, and it's too small on the screen
for you, I assume, correct, Talent Gates of Madara. This is
a pre con exclusive, right. You can't get this in booster packs,
correct, unless you open collector packs in the slot. Yeah, collector boosters
can be there's one slot that could be this, and it could be foil
No, no, okay, yeah, okay. When it enters a battlefield
up to one target, creature phases out. So it's a removal spell up
to one target if you move a blocker if you want, yeah, or
it can remove my guy if I'm gonna sweep, right, yeah. Also,
because that's not good enough on a land, it taps for colorless or
you can go one tap ad manu of any color, or you can go
four. Put it back into your fricking hand. No, you put it
from your hand into play. Oh. So if something's attacking you to kill
you, you can remove it with this land, yeah, because you can't
you activate that ability when it's in your hand. Yeap. Yeah. I
like what I said better. It enables landfall strategies. It does. But
I like what I said. It's a removal spell your a protection spell for
your guy because it gives your land flash Yeah. Yeah cool. I like
that lots. I'm excited about that one. Yeah. So I think that
this deck is actually really good out of the box. If you're looking at
value monetarily, it's there in spades kind of it is, though, like
most of the cards are like between twenty five cents and four dollars, except
for Apex Idiot, Quadruple Cascade, Planar Nexus at eighteen or seventeen, and
a couple other lands that are a few bucks. But you're gonna get your
value out of it monetarily and more importantly than that. This is one of
those decks if you want to play it, and if you want to play
it, it's fun. If you want to upgrade it, there's a myriad
of different directions you can take it. And if you want to break it
down to just like disperse all the cards into your other decks, they're gonna
make your other decks perform better or be cooler. So I think I really
like that one. That's a that's a really good one. I've kind of
won eighty on it. I still don't know what the hell it was supposed
to do the way that it is now, but I do really like that.
You know what I like when they release decks that give you the strong
foundation and starting point to do anything. I like that because when I sit
down against an Omo deck, it's somebody's gonna say, oh, this is
Almo land Combo, or this is Almo Deserts Gates. Almo Mrpholk gives you
everything dot deck right like my or vardy all form. It kind of gives
you an animar vibe where there's so many different directions you can go and so
many different things it can do. Also, and you're gonna see dirty stink
and combos. I just haven't done the research on Almo to know what they
are. When you've got a creature that shouldn't be this type but triggers when
something of this other type that it also is does something, Yeah, you're
gonna see like infinite loops that are probably hard to disrupt, and one of
the things that you can also put in there to take advantage of how strong
this deck is. Is the new two can Sam card. Of course we're
all aware of her to do. That's the target, your guy, do
simic shit guy? Yes, he obviously he would go in there and make
the deck just go away harder than it already does. Yeah, and we
all knew that, because we all knew that. Okay, so let's move
from the most expensive deck, okay to the cheapest deck. Ah, this
deck if you were to buy every single card in it right now, sixty
nine bucks. Nice. Yes, this is creative Energy. The main dude
is sat Yeah, Yeah, sure, Sat Yeah, ether flux genius.
And what do we think about this guy? I think we kind of went
over him quickly because we said, this is the Energy guy, and I'm
not sure in terms of like value of cards in deck and different build paths
and blah blah blah blah blah. If this is the deck that is going
to be interesting for lots of people to hear about on the show today.
No, if you want to play the Energy deck, now you have the
Energy deck. That's exactly what I was going to say. This is the
exact polar opposite of Omo, because this deck is essentially the second half of
the Energy deck that they built and fallout with the Energy deck there. That
is, of course something that people have been clamoring for since Ether Revolt,
where all the energy cards got printed. So if you have those from when
you wanted to build the energy deck the first time and it didn't work,
and then you bought the fallout deck to augment the Energy deck that now is
functional. Now you have bought this deck and combined all three of those together,
and you have the Energy deck that you wanted to play ten years ago.
Yeah, okay, question sure, that's French for question. Do you
know in which of those things that you just outlined, which one has the
ether works marvel in it or if any of them do, because this one
doesn't. Nope, I'm wrong, I just missed it because it's not in
alphabetical order. Yes, I was like, why on earth would they not
put the best one in the pre con when it's not even like a forty
dollars card? But they did. They did. Okay, Well, have
you have you seen or played against this deck or the amalgamation of the energy
decks that you just talked about. This is the only one I have not
seen in the wild yet, okay, and I think it's for the reasons
that I outlined. And and there's nobody in our local playgroup that plays the
Energy deck. Oh okay, there's one. There's one dude that bought the
Fallout Energy deck that he plays, but it's not because it's the Energy deck.
It's because it's the Fallout deck that he wanted. So they showed up
for different reasons. And I'm not sure if he picked this up to augment
that deck or not, so time will tell. So I'm this is the
one that I'm kind of the least excited about because I don't give a shit
no energy and there's some cool cards in here, to be sure, And
unlike Omo, it isn't kind of open ended where you can when you can
do anything, the hardest part is doing anything right. This is kind of
the opposite. You get this deck and this is what you're doing. This
is the Energy deck. And I don't want to sound like we're crapping on
it, because I'm happy we have it. Oh yeah, remember when remember
in twenty seventeen when the Arabo Cat deck came out and everybody was like,
man, we can finally do cats, right, or when they changed like
hound to dog and then they gave us like Rin and Sari and we can
finally do this thing or finally do that thing. We can finally not have
to scab together draft commons off the floor of the LGS to play the Energy
Deck because they gave us the Energy Deck two sets in a row, and
gave us new cards in those decks both times that have the Energy symbol on
them that are good. Yeah, that's key is those cards are good.
Yeah, and they're playable. So if you're after the Energy Deck, this
is very good. I don't know if there's anything even really particularly noteworthy that's
new in there, but most of them. Just looking at the list,
I can't read fast enough to know, oh, this one's new or whatever.
Do you have any off the top of your head that you know are
in the Energy Deck? If I just scroll through? Who's the other commander
in this deck? The other commander is this lady here? Oh Kate famed
machinist. Oh, the one that looks like my grandma. Yeah, she's
the one that either populates or proliferates with fabricate. Yes, man, she
fabricates, she populates, she proliferate. If she attacked, she protect she
get good night snack. Yes, yes, yes, yes, Okay,
Well what other cards are in there? If I scroll this faster, are
you gonna be able to tell you already? What passed them on? All?
Right, well, I guess we're done. Yeah, it's it kind
of is what it is. And if you're an energy fan, then I
mean, by all means pick this up. But if you're not really interested
in the energy thing, then you might want to move on. There's cheaper
ways to get into Chroma's will and a gold Span Dragon, like going to
Fusion Gaming Online dot COMUS and special promo Caccio save and buying them. Pretty
good, pretty good hit there, Uncle Brando. Thanks. Let's move to
the one that I actually like the most. This is your favorite one.
This is my favorite one because it gives me some of the fields, the
fields. I like the fields in this one. Okay, I like the
vibe, I like I like the nostalgia. Maybe that's the feels right memory
with pain. I think that's how when when you look at the etymology of
nostalgia, it's like nostos and whatever from Greek and Latin memory and pain.
This is Graveyard overdrive, and this is about eighty five bucks if you're gonna
buy the whole thing, which is again worth it monetarily. We talked a
lot about lergoifs and Desa the Restless in the pre show yesterday, and in
the pre show is where we're doing all the booster pack game giveaways now.
So if you're not watching and commenting on the freaking pre show, or you're
even really a CECO National Light anymore, I don't even know. I'm fighting
with fighting. Oh I'm restless. I'm reading this Visa the Restless, Let's
give her, Let's give her a read. You're still a National Light.
I'm just playing for the most part. I'm fucking around and find five to
six for Jundon II, so she feels tarmaguafee already. Right, That's what
I said yesterday. When a Lergowif permanent card is put into the Graveyard from
anywhere other than the battlefield, so when it's milled or you discard it,
can we do it any other way? I mean yeah, but also no,
you could play that one green card that puts it from exile into grady.
So if you play your If you play your alergoif and somebody paths it,
you can use the rift sweeper to put it into your pin. Yes,
well, wow nation, that's powerful. Man's good man, Yeah,
okay, good sure graver put put it? Oh you put it onto the
battlefield when it gets miled. Okay, so if you mill it, you
get it is probably what's gonna happen. Whenever one or more creatures you control,
you'll comet damage to a player create a tarmagef token. Cool. So
we attack one guy with three creatures, we get one guy. Yeah,
but we attack three guys with one creature, we get three guys. That's
pretty good, which is not too bad. And the guy is a tarmagif
as we all know. Yeah, gets he's a star star plus one gets
bigger for each card type among cards in all graveyards, and it does say,
I don't think they list the card types anymore. It's just card types.
You get artifact in sh creature instance sorcery, battle, siege, siege,
siege instead of battle, okay, whatever the hell. Usually he's going
to be like a five six or a four or five, and then there
it's fine, what's the what are they calling the tribal things now Kindred Kindred,
so Kindred spells also count for that and planes walker yep, I think
that's it. Is that it? I don't know there's nine or ten types.
Yeah, so your creature can be very big for some some number of
man tarmagifs get that way. Other ones count creatures or lands or whatever.
Other lergos care about number of things in graveyard. Now. The only thing
I would say about this is have a way to keep track, like use
dice. And the hardest part that I've ever found about playing with or against
tarmagif and most of my experiences in legacy like fifteen years ago, is how
many cards you're what's in your grave? Heard again? Yeah? How many
card types in your graver? How many card types in your graver? Okay,
I gotta count my graveyard. Like just make people like fan their graveyard
out or put some dice on there, and when something gets milled, just
tick your dice up so you so you know you accounted for that new card
type because and you know full graveyard is getting commander. Oh yeah, like
ten, fifteen twenty. If you're playing this John Mill deck, you're gonna
have like twenty five cards in your graveyard. Just know what's in there and
save yourself and your friends the time, the heartache, the annoyance, the
trouble, and keep track. Yes, so what do you think about this
deck? You have you done anything with this deck? I have looked through
it and I have played against it, okay, and I think that as
it's built, it's a with the again with the face commander. Yeah,
I think with the face commander, it is it. Like I said yesterday,
I don't think that it quite does what it says on the box because
there's only a few lergoeifs in the deck, not near enough to make it
worth running. As presented, there's three new ones Barogolf, Barrogof, Pyrogof
and the one and the Green Enchantment, and then Desa makes ones. That's
five. But that doesn't get it. You don't get him off her ability
of milling things into your bind No, you get them from attacking. Yeah,
so you, but she gives you another one essentially, yes, And
then there's a mortiv war in the deck. There is not a terri war.
There is not a lurgoif from ice age. There is a lurgo.
Oh, there is a LURGOI for ice Age. Okay, So then then
on the pre show we talked about Cameleon Colossus and Torrian Maler and that could
be ten Is that enough for a lergoif deck? No, it ain't take.
So you still got to play like the the the Changeling, you know
one one can't block for one all creature types, and you still got to
play you know, this guy from Frickin' Lorwin or this guy that can become
all creature types until then to turn you gotta do that, yes, and
you don't want to do that because you gotta play mag You gotta play Magma
War and hope that somebody's playing a bunch of instance in sorceries because then he'll
be big. How much does he cost? I think Red Red two Red
Red two teams, right, because that that's on par with Green two Black
Black two. It's just what they cause. No, I think Terrritor's Green
Green one, Ainty Green Green one. That is terrible. Yeah, that's
why Terrible is the best one. But if is Green Green two, yeah,
you could play Megmavore and that's fine. I think I think he'd probably
be be four four, five five, like when you cast him. Don't
you think if you cast him turn four or five? Maybe maybe who knows?
Well? The point is in my deck could be a zero zero don't
play a lot of instance resources. Megma four could be uh number eleven.
Yeah, if we're playing Torrian Maler, maybe twelve. If we played like
the one one for one that can't block, like the Black One, yeah,
or Black Changeling. Or what we could do is we could take Dia
Lisa, put her in the ninety nine and play the Undertaker the Undertaker.
Oh that's the other guy, the other guy. I actually like him a
little better. Coren the Undertaker. He's a zero five for four, I
believe. Yeah, Johndon one, and he gets bigger his his his power
goes up based on the biggest power of creatures in all graveyards, and whenever
it kind of feels lurgoy feet so pretty cool, and whenever he attacks,
everybody mills a card. And then each turn you can play a creature and
a land from among cards that were put into graveyards this turn, so you
can play your opponent's shit with it, which feels very red and black.
Yeah right, Okay, so he's doing a lot of the things that we
would expect him to do. He feels LURGOI fee if we want to maintain
that theme or strategy. Mm hmmm, I think that that's fine. Is
this you said you played against this deck? Yes? Is it good?
Uh again? I played against it with Lisa and the Undertaker switched yep,
and yeah. It performed very well. It was straight out of the box.
It was a little bit There were a few turns in the game that
I played with it where it just didn't have anything to do, you know
what I mean, Like, I'm gonna put a card into my hand and
mil a bunch. Now my guy gets one tick bigger and my guy's a
little smaller than yours, so I'm not gonna do anything. Do you remember
when we were talking during the Legend review the new Ractose commander that steals guys,
im Skier, iron Eater, the affinity for artifacts. Oh no,
he flings artifacts like and this could be the leader along with along with from
last month where we make this Ractos steal your stuff deck, right, okay,
imagine and im Skar Smeary iron Beater alongside the Undertaker what's his name?
Koram The Undertaker. Yeah, you could have that ractos Steal all your Stuff
dot deck and now you have access to red, I mean green. Now
you have access to Green, making it like probably better. I mean green
is pretty good. Green's pretty good. You get more ramp and you don't
have to rely on artifacts as much. So the im smear iron Beater,
you don't need the stuff that he needed in his deck, but you can
still play the steal your stuff dot deck. But now you have Green.
You could do that. Yes, and I like that as a way to
upgrade this deck or completely cannibalize and build a new deck. Yes, that's
what I was gonna say. There's lots of pieces in here that you're gonna
rip out and put in other decks, which is pretty cool, Okay.
And when you do build it, like you could take the Lergoi theme right
out of it, use the Undertaker, and you can just have like a
really good kind of classic Jund deck from back in the day when it was
in standard and a little bit of an extended and stuff YEP. And it
really does feel like that kind of that just attrition ish tool box y deck
that has kind of answers for everything and kind to do lots of really cool
shit. Yeah, and you can really get that feeling back if you are
a big Jund fan back in the day, and you can definitely get that
out of this deck. It just doesn't have it out of the box.
And you can do that for not very many dollars. Yes, you know
what I like so far. We're gonna get to the El Drassis right now,
but before we do this, Koram guy feels like the guy of all
of the legends that we've looked at so far that people are going to just
buy this one guy, Koram the single and build the jundmilmiself Dot deck of
all of the ones that we looked at, like Satya is gonna be the
energy guy. Ye Kith the Grandma. I don't know if anybody's gonna really
build that because it's not in the artifact colors really, and I don't feel
like people that I've ever played magic with can identify with that character very much.
And Desa is gonna be the one that you play to lead this deck
if you do the LURGUOI forro out and almost got a deck that's kind of
built around her and it does the lands thing, the everything thing. You're
gonna upgrade this pre con right, but Koram is going to be the guy
that people buy. Yeah, I think, and I think maybe the jewelry
dude from the Blue, the other one from Omo. I think we're gonna
see that thing popping out more often than than we think. I think we
are put plus one plus one on creatures. You control right, and it
makes dudes into lands, lands into dudes. It makes your land dudes bigger,
and it makes land dudes when it comes into play. Yes, so
it's he's pretty cool land dude dot deck. I like that. That'll be
something that's cool. But it's just not present in Again, it's not present
in the thing. So you change him for two? Can Sam? That's
the first cut you make. And if you don't do it too, can
Sam alter that card? You're what Thursday's on our Facebook page. I got
to get one though those cards are kind of expensive, aren't they. I
don't guess I could get a discount of Fusion gaming. There you go.
Okay, last deck, oh man, last deck. We've got x lax
ass crack. Yeah, fused atrocity. That sounds like my ass crack.
Yeah, this is the nipple shoulder guy. Yeah, okay, washed out
art man, I'm telling you still don't like it. Does it look washed
out in real life when you have it? Even with your fancy foil version.
Do you got it open? I don't have it with me. What's
in these boxes? Oh? The uh the face commanders I took out because
I have a I'm doing the the collection of portrait arts. Oh yeah,
and so there they came out of the boxes and they went into the pages
in my binder. And I've also cannibalized the decks for parts. Oh yeah,
but I have the rest to talk about that in the second. Yes,
okay, have you played with or against the l Drazzi deck? That's
the one everybody's interested in. I have done both, and I think that
it's It's fine. I'm not the biggest el Drawsi guy, to be fair,
I'm more of a sliver human. Yes, And these the el Drasi
are like the epitome of battle cruiser magic, right, Like make as much
manna as fast as you can and drop the hugest haymakers, which sounds like
a good time. Oh that's how commander was invented. Yes, right,
because you want to throw haymakers. Yeah, so I can see how people
identify with this. You don't need to look a certain way. You just
need to like swinging with huge dinks. You need to slap lips into dirt
and stomp dinks on top of them and have nipples on your shoulders. Yes,
maybe they're Maybe they're like a pin joint where it's a pin to hinge
around. Maybe that's what they are. Maybe would they have that? Though?
They're all kind of goo. I always pictured all drawsies just slimy.
You know what I mean? You know they don't have bones or something.
I don't know. I bet you they don't have bones. Okay, let
us know in the comments bones these got bones for sure, their tentacles don't
no bones. El drawsy's slimy or dry? And now when I said that,
I think that's even worse just to say that out loud. What do
you think slimy? I think they're slimy for sure. I think dry.
They definitely are slimy. I think dry. And like when they're crawling all
all along the ground, I think that they kind of feel like dusty.
I think I think everything from space is probably slimy. No, there's no
you can't get wet in space. Well, you can produce slime. I
insulate yourself from the horrors of space. They are the horrors of space.
They don't give shit, But no slime. They're dry. No, they're
definitely slimy. I guess we'll have a poll in the in the comments and
on discord slimy or dry slimyre dry. But how do you think the deck
goes? I think the deck is fine as is. We talked about this
during the Legendary Creature review, where I'm a believer that the secondary commander in
the deck is probably a little bit better for the deck that's presented here,
because you want to make more scions and more spawns and then just make them
big an attack, as opposed to paying extra mana on top of the ten
manna you've already spent to get another thing, you know what I mean.
Yep. So, the the main commander is Ula lek Fused Atrocity. That's
the one with winding slash colored man at times five yep, and it's got
devoid two five h You can pay double frail Drasi doubles, right, you
can pay two wingedings when you cast an el Drawsi spell to copy the spell
slash ability. So it's like doubling DRAWSI. Yes, but you gotta pay
Mana for it. Correct, but you're gonna make manic because that's what the
deck does. Yeah, that's what the deck is all about. And then
ass crack the swelling scourge Brando after tuckle Bell correct is the two to two
with five colors in his man of cost. You go Woberg creatures you control
get big, and your spawns and signs get a nihilier one. Yeah,
and so it's I just think that one's a little bit better again out of
the box. And this one has a fairly obvious build path depending on which
way you want to go. If you want to do the big drawsi's,
you want to play your like your classic el DRAWSI Titans right, all the
uh, the mogs, all the cause Alex and I do that. You
take your excitement and you cash it in online for cards, yes, and
then you dump them into this deck along with some big man of production and
off you go to the races. Yep. Then if you want to play
the spawn and sion guy, you go out and you spend a little bit
less of your excitement and you get some of the old colored El Drazi things
that you couldn't play in El Drazzi decks previously. This is like the rapacious
the one, that rapacious one where you get somebody and you make a bunch
of scions or or enchantments that just pump one out every up key yeah,
or the pawn of Ulamog creature dies you get a sion right, yes,
like the are these are the devoid draft chaff scion creating ones from Zendakar rising.
Yeah, that's these ones. Yeah, like you talk about, you
take the ingesters and processors, fuck all of them, and you play the
ones that make scions and stuff. And in this case you're going quantity over
quality. Yes, if you go with ula Lec, you want to make
big Man and play the Coselex, the Amra Cool, the Ulamog, that's
your that's your haymaker dot Dad that you're talking about. Those cards are expensive,
like every version of Ulamog expensive. Yes, every version of Kozilec expensive.
Kind of less than Ulamag. But like if you look at like the
new Ulamag right now is going for Canadian dollars, you're looking between ninety and
one hundred and ten dollars for that card. The old ones are usually hovering
somewhere between twenty five and forty. Cazilec is a little bit less. I'll
tell you something though. Check this out every every single deck or everything.
Jesus Christ, come on, man, Every single card in this deck list
that we're looking at online, save for Ulilek at four fifty and El Drawsi
Conscription at seven fifty, every single other card in the deck except Al Drawsi
Temple is below four dollars. Yeah, and and most of them are below
one dollar. Like, this deck is cheap, and I don't think from
a monetary excitement value. If some LGS or online retailer is gouging you on
this one, don't pay the gouge on this one, because this is not
an expensive deck. And if you want to go the ass crack ass slack
way and get those draft chaff common frickin' sion producers, you're gonna build this
deck for like fifty bucks. Yeah, and you're gonna have a good El
Drassi deck because Aslak is good, that's a good card. Yeah. And
I hate, I hate to say this, but I'm gonna give Wizards some
credit for an l Drassi deck. The manna base here is actually good.
Oh yeah, because they're all freaking colors, because it's well because it's a
five color matabase. But they've included a ton of the lands that you're gonna
want to have, Like there's a full suite of pain lands. Yeah,
there's a bunch of stuff in here that's just like it's not perfect, but
it's good. Well. And you know the other thing that they did too,
is right in this same set, Mardi ho Ho, they gave us
fetch Lands at rare in multiple slots and collector boosters so we can get them
in full art or special art or regular art or whatever this or jerk off
that, and you could like, how many did you get in your BBO?
You got four Fetchland four four And I haven't checked prices, but I
bet you fetch Land prices have gone down since they since they were reprinted in
this set. Right, If you're ever looking to update your manabasers, it's
some MTG finance for you. Head on over to Fusion Gaming Online dot com
and you can get fetch Lands now. And if you just want the most
basic version of them, so you have a fetch Land in your deck.
Now's the time to do it, and CCOSA gonna save even more money.
Yeah, that's that's some good stuff right there. So I mentioned it,
is it worth it? And I don't mean I want to buy a hundred
cards and spend less than one hundred dollars on them, blah blah blah,
Like I don't care what the decks go in terms of reprint value, for
I care about what they cost for me to get this this box and play
a game of magic with it, and is going to give me excitement,
replayability, power, deck building potential, cannibalization potential if I want to like
strip the deck down and build other decks out of it. Right, if
I have to pay one hundred dollars for this, do you think that that's
worth it? In three out of the four cases, yes, I think?
Which which is? I think? I think that to me personally,
the Energy deck is the outlier because if you're buying it to build the Energy
deck, it's just going to be cheaper to buy the singles to add to
your deck that you already probably have. You probably already have an Energy deck
he is trying to buy cards for And in that case, it's just more
economic. It's it's a better use of your your money and more efficient use
of your time. Just get the singles because there might be like ten new
energy cards that you actually want to put in your deck, maybe not even
ten right now. And there's there's not a ton of cards in there that
I saw that are really gonna like to cannibalize and put into different decks.
I feel like you're not gonna have a lot of that. And out of
the box that one is only half there, and you know it's only half
there because you're perfectly aware because you're an energy player that the Energy deck is
out there and there's a bunch of stuff that you're missing. Yeah, so
okay, but the other ones. I think that Oldrassi plays great out of
the box and has lots of really powerful stuff in it, with lots of
room to build and grow in different directions like we talked about, yep,
And if you want to cannibalize it, there are actually some cards in there
that are pretty cool in other decks too, because you can this is this
is true. You can play al Drasi's in any deck because they're colorless.
Oh right right, so blow your mind on c I can put El Drasi
in decks that aren't El Drassi deck, right, totally shit. You know
what I play? I play og Kozlek in my animar cedh deck because it's
a ten to ten Annihilator four that I dropped for free, and drop four
frickin' cards that I can with Cloudstone Carrio because it's very specifically not an artifact.
Yes, that's a good ass card, right, good card. Right,
Yeah, those are the kinds of things you can do. Then the
Graveyard Overdrive one, I think has a lot of great stuff for cannibalizing,
and if you want to play that classic junned shell that maybe you're missing from
your from previous constructed days. Yeah, Plus and I've broke that's the one
that I cannibalized the most stuff out of to go into my other decks.
There's some bro could you Could you imagine making like an old school agro loam
dredge deck from legacy of years gone by with that Undertaker guy. That'd be
cool. Man, Come on, Undertaker alters, come on, hit me
up. Undertaker. Do you want purple gloves or grey gloves or biker Taker?
Which one do you do? Probably probably the oldest of school one with
the with the gimmicky like nineties tie, the big gray tie. Yeah,
looking again like a breaking cartoon character. Hey man, that's the one that
you could turn into a caricature the easiest, Yes, I think, and
it would be cool. Well that's what I say, because there's that one.
But then there was also bad purple Gloves. Oh, I remember there
was like gray gloves, purple gloves. The Undertaker versus Chains? Was it
chains, but of course it was Undertaker versus Undertaker, but it was his
chains. Look it up. It was. It was a dark time.
And don't be confused with the Undertaker versus knees. The same, different things,
the same, not the same, not the same. And then I
think, going back to to these decks, I'm gonna say it again,
I think that Omo has the is the most fun to play against that I've
had. I think it would be the most fun to pilot, and I
think it would have the most potential to grow into something different, like a
mainstay deck that you're just gonna play all the time, or if you're gonna
just break it down and put pieces into other decks. There's so much there.
There's so much in that deck that can go into like every other deck.
Like I'll bet you if I tried really hard, I could open this
box of Omo right here, take one and have one card for every single
deck I own. I'll bet I could do that if I tried hard.
That might That might be your recommendation. Because where I was going with this
is, I know which one my favorite is. It's the decent one with
the lergo wifs and I want to make luregref dot deck me too. Is
that your favorite one to play? It's my favorite one, not to my
favorite one to play. It's my favorite one because I had the most stuff,
okay, out of out of the product released, that was your favorite.
I bought that thing for parts, okay, and I never looked back.
And which one is your recommendation for cecioation to go out and buy Omo?
Almost absolutely Almo because there's so many things you can do with it and
just there's so much just crazy shit that could come of this. Like I'll
whenever a desert comes into play, you do two damage to somebody and you
tap your crankco to make I used to can't use crank co, but then
you tap something to make a bunch of tokens and because you have that dude
that makes all your guys into forests. Yep, it's like, well,
I had a bunch of deserts enter Play Die, right, So that's that's
pretty cool. And I just think there's so many I gotta dig into the
Almo deck, to dig into the Omo deck for my or var deck to
see if there's anything that that everything matters matters for you. Might I might,
I might? Okay, So if we want to get them, we
can go to Fusion Gaming Online dot com. You sure can CEO save promo
code or CEO perks promo code if it's your first ever order with Fusion.
If you want to get the sealed booster packs but you live outside of Canada,
Senator Brando, he'll open them on Brando's box opening it's right on the
TV behind us right now, and uh watch it or else and then you
can get them and you get a discount, and Brando gets some content that
we can make and everything is fantastic, and then I can finally know what
it feels like to open get cards. Oh yeah, good luck maybe on
the whole. Okay, So now we've looked at we've we've done the legendary
review. We've looked at all the cards, we've talked about the pre cons
Is this the best modern set ever? Because I don't think that these decks
are very good in modern I feel like that they would lose. I'll bet
you if we went to a modern tournament with these decks, one we'd be
disqualified for playing cards aren't legal in modern, and two we would lose because
they're not very good. I didn't even think about getting d q'ed for cards
that aren't legal and modern. Frick, what a fantastic troll WATSI could have
been the troll job that wats He could have done if they printed these decks
with only cards that were legal in modern, so you could go to a
modern tournament and play with these Commander decks and just get pounded into the dirt.
Well, they could have done that. All they had to do is
make the new cards legal and modern, but they didn't. Can you imagine
sol Ring and modern now? Oh yeah, oh yeah, you're right.
Yeah, they make them legal in modern but immediately ban it. Yes they're
legal, but no, yeah, everything we've making we're making every thing in
these boxes legal except Solring, and it's been yes, yes, well okay,
final thought of the day on the product. What's your favorite thing?
What's your favorite modern ho ho? Give us give us the wrap it up,
the wrap it up on the modern horizons thing and send your deck lists
in. Yes, give us decklists for this stuff, because we've only got
a couple of amos and we got one necro Bloom, which I'm looking forward
to talking about, probably going to delve that to that one. That's my
personal pick for most powerful, even though everybodys saying two can sam is more
powerful. I think that ulamg no ullamog bad commander, bad commander. Yeah,
yeah, not very good thought, not very good commander. So I
think overall this set might not be the best for modern players, but it
is one of the better ones for US commander guys, which is who was
obviously aimed at. Let's not pretend that it's anything but that this is one
hundred percent of product that was aimed at us, and it's good. So
cool. Watsie, thank you much. Thanks for not making these into boxes
that cost one hundred dollars for a pack and there's only four dollars or four
packs in a box. We appreciate that. Yeah, we big box better.
Yes, I like full I like to pay. If I'm gonna pay
a premium, I want to make sure I get as much as I would
get if I didn't pay the premium. Oh, it's important, honest.
And one more thing, what do you think about pre cons in or premium
edition. They did it with the Serge Foil Warhammer decks, they did it
with these. Do you think that this is a good exercise that they that
they should continue. I'm absolutely fine with it. I have you. I
like foils personally, and I think that this is one of those ones where
you can just go out and buy the deck you don't need. It's not
like the only ones available are the premium ones, right, and the premium
ones are available in much smaller quantities. You can get them if you want
them, but if you don't want them, you just don't buy them.
That's a good idea, right, Like, if you don't want them,
don't buy them. And if you do want the old DRAWSI one, don't
buy it either, because it's four hundred dollars and that's stupid. Could I
put an addendum on if you don't want them, don't buy them? Yes,
if you don't want them, don't buy them, don't complain about them.
Yeah, yeah, it's it's fine. That's my final thought of that.
I'm out of here. Yeah they're and so they're great, They're good.
I'm happy they exist. And for people who like them, like myself,
if I can get them, I got them. I have them,
and that's great. And if you don't want them or can't get them,
then that's fine too. You can get the regular ones, or you can
buy singles. It's it's it's there for you, right. So overall,
I think this product was very good. I'm glad that we got to spend
three weeks talking about it. I'm glad that you all came on this ride
with us, and we're remember to send your deck list into Commander Cookout at
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me so I know there for me. I'll take a look at all of
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