WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:07.320 Ladies and gentlemen. This episode is sponsored by Cords Against Humanity, and they 2 00:00:07.440 --> 00:00:12.359 asked us not to read an ad, but they do want you to enjoy 3 00:00:12.439 --> 00:00:21.320 the show. All right, let's see. All right, we're both level 4 00:00:22.719 --> 00:00:26.839 four podcasters. Yeah. Yeah. It says that for beginners, you should 5 00:00:26.839 --> 00:00:30.199 start at level four. Otherwise it's like advanced rules if you want to start 6 00:00:30.239 --> 00:00:33.880 lower. Look, I picked out, I picked out. My guy is 7 00:00:33.920 --> 00:00:37.280 the little headphones. That's what I picked. Okay, I'm gonna be the 8 00:00:37.600 --> 00:00:42.200 MacBook awesome. Okay, what what feat did you take? Like, like, 9 00:00:42.240 --> 00:00:47.280 what's your what's your special skill? Mine is too much research. My 10 00:00:47.640 --> 00:00:53.119 character can do too much research and it really hampers doing other things in life. 11 00:00:53.719 --> 00:00:57.920 I picked drunken rambling. Oh nice, so it's about them and almost 12 00:00:57.920 --> 00:01:00.359 took that one. Yeah, but the downside is that, uh, I 13 00:01:00.520 --> 00:01:04.480 only get the effect if I have if I have if we can afford beer, 14 00:01:04.879 --> 00:01:07.840 and that's like not until like round three. So all right, so 15 00:01:07.879 --> 00:01:11.120 I guess we'll start. I guess we start in the recording studio. Yeah 16 00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:15.319 yeah, And oh I know what I'm gonna do. Hold on, hold 17 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:19.040 on, I'm gonna I'm gonna use I got it. On my list of 18 00:01:19.079 --> 00:01:26.560 abilities musical intro? Oh nice? Yeah? Well do I have to make 19 00:01:26.599 --> 00:01:29.159 a singing check for that? I do? Right, I don't know, 20 00:01:29.200 --> 00:01:34.239 hold on, let me see that. Oh no, damn it. It 21 00:01:34.319 --> 00:01:37.439 takes three It takes three rounds to get a musical intro. Ready, I 22 00:01:37.439 --> 00:01:40.120 can't. I can't cast it now. Okay, um, well that's a 23 00:01:40.159 --> 00:01:42.920 good thought though. Yeah. Um oh oh, I know, I know. 24 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:49.439 We'll do hold on yes, okay, self referencing intro. Yeah, 25 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:53.239 that takes no time. No, and it's exactly what you can do if 26 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:55.680 you don't know what to do. Wait wait, wait, wait, wait 27 00:01:55.719 --> 00:02:00.319 wait, we both have to make save checks against being hacks. Okay, 28 00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:07.599 you passed. Okay, it looks like we passed barely. She's yeah. 29 00:02:07.800 --> 00:02:12.199 I thought I had more modifiers in that. Yeah, me too. Zero. 30 00:02:12.759 --> 00:02:15.199 Currently, So for what we've got so far, we're not getting any 31 00:02:15.199 --> 00:02:21.319 listeners. So I'm going to also use hold on on my list of abilities. 32 00:02:22.400 --> 00:02:25.039 Boy, oh, got me a Cockney accent? Then? Oh? 33 00:02:25.159 --> 00:02:30.560 Nice? Right too? Right? Oh shoot, right, that's nice. 34 00:02:30.919 --> 00:02:32.680 What what can I have? Oh? Oh, here we go, I've 35 00:02:32.719 --> 00:02:38.840 got a knockoff Monty python nice? Okay, great? Hello, Hello, 36 00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:43.360 my name's David, and I'm afraid we'll once again here to promise you T 37 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:50.680 shirts and a functioning online web store. It doesn't ever exist to right with 38 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:57.759 day with taxes and types of shits? Did you say types of shits not 39 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:02.280 thought of? Did I blape? It? Was? It blaped? Now? 40 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:07.560 Must have been shuts? More bad? Well, guess store up? 41 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:13.439 So weak brobies to right? All right, I think we passed that right, 42 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:17.759 okay, level level three? Okay, let's see. Okay, hold 43 00:03:17.800 --> 00:03:23.400 on, I'm drawing a challenge card. Your podcast has been reviewed by a 44 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:30.280 podcast that reviews podcasts. What what? That's what it says? Your podcast, 45 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:35.400 okay, has been reviewed by a podcast that reviews podcasts. Are they 46 00:03:35.439 --> 00:03:40.000 getting like twenty dollars? I think? And they didn't like you? Shocking? 47 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:45.280 So yeah, that's our that's our challenge. So okay, we respond. 48 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:50.680 I guess okay, um man, I have a tirade. Well, 49 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:54.319 I've got a couple of skills here that that might be put in play. 50 00:03:54.520 --> 00:03:59.919 Let me let me just review plus two to drunken tirade. Okay, well, 51 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:02.680 my my too much research gives me a plus two. If if I 52 00:04:02.840 --> 00:04:08.360 was like, you know, go to town on for going to town a 53 00:04:08.479 --> 00:04:11.879 rebuttal or something. Um, okay, all right, I've I've got a 54 00:04:12.520 --> 00:04:17.000 mean counter review. Uh huh, I've got stoic silence, and I've got 55 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:20.600 co host discussion. Oh okay, hold on, at least see what I 56 00:04:20.680 --> 00:04:27.199 got? Uh sierrany Sam plus two? That fart Sam, that's not gonna 57 00:04:27.240 --> 00:04:35.600 happen making fun of Alex Jones Alex Jones voice. Does Alex Jones voice work 58 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:41.279 on this one? I don't think it translates? Yeah? Uh ooh ooh 59 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:46.639 ooh uh I could? I I could cast all press is good press, 60 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:50.199 maybe except for I don't feel like it is. I don't think it is. 61 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:58.639 Hmm. I've got one. How about rise above where we just thank 62 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:03.839 them for taking the time to listen to us. Okay, okay, well 63 00:05:03.920 --> 00:05:06.920 you know what you do. You do that skill, and I'm also going 64 00:05:06.959 --> 00:05:12.560 to do co host discussion with my plus two too much research? Okay, 65 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:15.360 I think that'll knock it out. Hold you go first. Yeah, okay, 66 00:05:16.600 --> 00:05:19.279 Yeah, they didn't like us, but hey, you know what, 67 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:24.439 thanks for listening that not everybody's going to and that's fine. I'm just glad 68 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:28.720 that they took the time to listen to the podcast. Yeah, I second 69 00:05:28.839 --> 00:05:31.079 that, and I'm also going to add you know, it might help if 70 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:34.399 you do a little more research than just looking at the picture of our podcast, 71 00:05:34.439 --> 00:05:42.519 because we're not all about cryptozoology. Success. All right, all right, 72 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:46.560 challenge, no big deal in bro, holy crap. You know that's 73 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:49.240 enough points. I think we just yeah, we just defeated the intro level. 74 00:05:49.399 --> 00:05:53.319 That's it. That Yeah, took took the intro down. Yeah, 75 00:05:53.360 --> 00:06:05.720 okay, now, but makes safe check listen. Yeah, it's too late 76 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:11.199 save against will and forty two? Yeah? Have you? Have you critically 77 00:06:11.319 --> 00:06:16.879 failed or rolled that net twenty? Only time will tell, probably somewhere in 78 00:06:16.920 --> 00:06:21.680 the middle. Welcome to Flurry Photos. I'm David Flora. I'm Dave Stecco. 79 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:26.439 Hi. How you guys been Flora? Have you been? I've been 80 00:06:26.480 --> 00:06:29.879 good. We don't talk about each other anymore. No, we don't care. 81 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:32.759 No, we're just a stone cold podcast machine. We don't give no 82 00:06:34.120 --> 00:06:42.160 given. But we are gearing up because it is the lovely month of May. 83 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:45.040 That's right, this is this is a jam packed month. Yeah, 84 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:48.040 we're doing a lot of work, mostly because my stupid ass is going to 85 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:55.560 Ireland. Is he so often reminds us I'll be an Island from the about 86 00:06:55.600 --> 00:07:01.480 the twentieth to the first of June. So uh, if you're in Ireland 87 00:07:01.680 --> 00:07:05.720 at that time, you got to you gotta date that's free or one of 88 00:07:05.759 --> 00:07:10.199 those days. Please email us. Please let me know if you want to 89 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:14.360 meet up and grab a drink and just chit chat. Please also don't please 90 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:16.639 also let us know if you're in Ireland and don't want to be If you 91 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:23.439 don't let us know, no, I'll be there. I want to see. 92 00:07:24.480 --> 00:07:27.600 That would be so great. I would get a big kick out of 93 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:32.279 it. And if you're in Chicago ever, uh, I'll be visiting neighborhood 94 00:07:32.360 --> 00:07:41.040 bars and um hanging out so well you know, well uh And if you're 95 00:07:41.079 --> 00:07:45.040 in Milwaukee or anywhere near on June sixth, that's right, come see us 96 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:48.079 at our our little booth where we'll be pedlin Er. Yeah, Milwaukee para 97 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:53.279 con Can they handle us? Probably not? Are they gonna be irritated by 98 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:56.920 us? Maybe? Yeah. Lynda Godfrey is going to be there, sweetly 99 00:07:57.000 --> 00:08:03.000 fun. She she's written some good stuff. The erotic band fiction there, 100 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:07.680 maybe the Werewolf that that's in Wisconsin. We haven't gotten to it yet, 101 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:13.279 but maybe we can no, no, no, different thing. You're a 102 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:18.639 different thing, the beast of bray Road. I think sweet. But maybe 103 00:08:18.680 --> 00:08:20.519 we can maybe we can talk to I don't know how much we're gonna actually 104 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:24.879 get to partake of the conference. Well, we'll do what we can. 105 00:08:24.079 --> 00:08:28.879 Yeah, we're gonna be manning the booth and maybe we'll be able to get 106 00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:33.200 food. I don't know. Yeah, we'll have a cooler full of sandwiches 107 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:37.480 and beer. But anyways, that's what you should do. Come see us 108 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:43.799 there, blah blah blah. That's great. Were just sitting at a table 109 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:50.480 eating bremate sandwiches in drinking beer. This guy's got a question. Do you 110 00:08:50.559 --> 00:08:54.919 want to explore that explained? Come ahead, you want to do it with 111 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:58.759 some brie, jerky turkey and gooda turkey, brie, sandwich, turkey, 112 00:09:00.279 --> 00:09:03.200 it's all the choice. Spinach, all right, but that's not what you're 113 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:07.559 here for. We're done with that. Ye, Time to check out an 114 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:11.279 aeronautical mystery. I've got, I've got I've got a good setup for the 115 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:16.080 FBI dealer. Yeah. In nineteen seventy one, one man decided that he 116 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:20.000 would commit the crime of the century. Did he take a ton of money? 117 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:24.159 Pretty good amount. Did he set off a ton of explosions? No, 118 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:28.440 no he didn't. Was he completely a lunatic that's screened at people? 119 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:33.039 No, he was rather polite. But what he did do is skydive into 120 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:43.360 our hearts. Is the story of dB Cooper. Yes, Dan Cooper. 121 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:50.080 Dan Cooper is dB Cooper is John Doe in a Federal zero of Investigations production 122 00:09:54.039 --> 00:09:58.200 Skydive. Why yeah, dB Cooper. If you've never heard of him, 123 00:09:58.279 --> 00:10:01.919 which is it feels weird to say this, but we'll get to why. 124 00:10:01.919 --> 00:10:07.799 dB slash Dan Cooper was a guy who in nineteen seventy one hijacked an airplane, 125 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:13.399 took some hostages, said he had a bomb. Flora take it from 126 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:15.840 there. Yeah, I don't want to steal all the fun facts. Between 127 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:20.519 Portland, Oregon and Seattle, Washington. He grabbed control of this plane, 128 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:26.919 demanded a two hundred thousand dollars ransom and four parachutes, and then upon receipt, 129 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:28.879 he had the plane takeoff from Mexico. Yeah. And this is pre 130 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:33.200 this is pre Reagan times where where it was a wild West. Yeah, 131 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:39.360 where if you if you demand a ransom, I guess, I guess. 132 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:41.799 Back in seventy one you just got it. They were like, here you 133 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:52.600 go. It worked pre Reagan times forwards America, Ye, Nixon in Nixon's 134 00:10:52.639 --> 00:11:03.960 America. I don't give a shit all of them. Somewhere over southwest Washington, 135 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:13.240 he apparently jumped out of the plane and vanished forever. Nobody or parachute 136 00:11:13.279 --> 00:11:18.279 was ever found, which makes this one of the FBI's hottest cold cases of 137 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:26.039 all time. It's also the it was a dirty deed and he did it 138 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:31.519 dirt cheap. He sure did those cigarettes that tie. That's right, we'll 139 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:37.960 get to it. Um. Yeah. Also the only unsolved case of of 140 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:43.360 air piracy or hijacking in US history. How about that? Yeah, so 141 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:46.080 he he got the money, he jumped out the airplane, he took the 142 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:50.480 money and ran and was never heard from again. Yeah. So let's uh, 143 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:56.159 let's dive into the let's let's dive into the with a dummy. Shoot 144 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:03.399 into a detail. They called me on and yeah, I still love him. 145 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:11.240 Moment to a detailed timeline of the events of November twenty fourth, nineteen 146 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:16.799 seventy one, the night before Thanksgiving thanks Giving, right, yeah, Thanksgiving 147 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:20.440 Eve or thanks Give. Yeah, it was thanks Give, thank give. 148 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:26.440 Shoot me some of this info I have to mention comes from history link dot 149 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:31.759 org in an article by Catherine Beck Thank You. On the afternoon of November 150 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:37.399 twenty fourth, nineteen seventy one, a man approached the counter of Northwest Orient 151 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:43.559 Airlines in the Portland, Oregon Airport, calling himself Dan Cooper. He bought 152 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:48.679 a one way ticket to Seattle, Washington on flight three oh five for how 153 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:54.960 much. Total ticket price was twenty dollars. I'd paid in cash just before 154 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:58.279 they stopped boarding the plane, and after he had confirmed the aircraft was a 155 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:05.200 Boeing S twenty seven. The trip would take thirty minutes aboard a Boeing seven 156 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:09.480 twenty seven Dash one hundred. He boarded the plane, which was only about 157 00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:13.480 a third fool, with thirty six other passengers, and took a seat in 158 00:13:13.519 --> 00:13:18.960 the very back. He wore a dark suit, in some accounts burgundy colored 159 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:24.759 nice, a white collared shirt, black necktie with a mother of pearl tie 160 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:31.720 pin, loafers, and a black raincoat. He also carried a black attache 161 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:35.039 case also known as a briefcase in some corners of the world, and once 162 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:41.000 seated, he lit a Raleigh brand cigarette and ordered a bourbon with Depending on 163 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:46.480 the source either seven up or water. I had better up in water? 164 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:52.879 Why bourbon and seven up? Blow yourself up? You know it's better than 165 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:56.039 you think. I've never had it. It's better than you think. It's. 166 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:03.240 My preference is to straight up coke to mix with if you're gonna mix. 167 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:05.080 But I'm I'm a Rocks guy. That's how, That's how the Good 168 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:09.120 Lord made me. Yeah, Rocks Rocks is good, but it's it's akin 169 00:14:09.240 --> 00:14:13.240 to like a seven and seven. Never had that either. Well, Well, 170 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:18.440 how do you, uh, how do you the listener? How do 171 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:26.200 you take your bourbon? Lana? We already know. I'm sure that hardly 172 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:31.679 takes it. It is a weird combination. You don't think of tan liquor 173 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:37.399 and clear soda. Yeah, I have a Sierra mist with with my with 174 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:43.320 my my my Johnny Walker please hm hmm, No you're not. I'm not 175 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:46.240 a big scotchman. I used to know a guy who loved to um. 176 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:52.120 I think they're there are some some UK cookie call like a Tim Tam. 177 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:56.279 He'd bite the ends off and suck bush mills through it and then eat the 178 00:14:56.360 --> 00:14:58.879 cookie, use it like it was like a chocolate coated cookie. He'd bite 179 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:01.519 the ends off and make it in kind of like a straw. He'd sucked 180 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:05.879 bushmills into it. Wow, and they eat it. Wow. I still 181 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:09.799 feel like it's the best way to ruin. Both agreed, Yeah, agreed. 182 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:13.639 Once the flight had taken off at two fifty PM, Cooper gave a 183 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:18.639 note to one of the stewardesses, I love this part named Florence Schaffner. 184 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:26.879 Who Chaffner schafter, who proceeded to assume it was some kind of flirtation towards 185 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:30.120 her and just dropped it in her purse. When Cooper saw this, he 186 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:35.919 said this, you better have a look on that note on a kata. 187 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:43.320 It's being a motherfucking bomb. Hey, you're right. She did, and 188 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:46.679 apparently it said I have a bomb in my briefcase. I will use it 189 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:52.559 if necessary. I want you to sit next to me. You are being 190 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:58.360 hijacked wink emoji. She sat down then and asked if he was kidding, 191 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:03.799 to which replied only by opening the case and showing her a mess of wires, 192 00:16:04.159 --> 00:16:10.919 red sticks of dynamite and a flashlight battery. Yeah maybe dynamite, yeah, 193 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:17.399 what appeared to be. He then told her what he wanted two hundred 194 00:16:17.519 --> 00:16:26.840 thousand dollars in quote negotiable American currency, quote, four parachutes to primary to 195 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:32.120 reserve or of two fronts, two backs, and a fuel truck standing by 196 00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:37.600 in Seattle to refuel the aircraft upon arrival. He also asked for mules for 197 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:41.480 the flight crew and ended his demands with the threat no funny stuff or I'll 198 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:48.240 do the job, sir. She then went to the cockpit to deliver the 199 00:16:48.279 --> 00:16:52.360 message to the pilots, who then radioed the situation to the Seattle Tacoma Airport 200 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:57.960 control tower, who then told local and federal authorities, who then pied all 201 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:04.640 of it, going to say prepared a shcher panties. The airline's president authorized 202 00:17:04.680 --> 00:17:10.759 payment of the ransom and told the pilot to cooperate fully with Cooper because the 203 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:15.200 FBI needed time to gather the requested items. The pilot was forced to circle 204 00:17:15.279 --> 00:17:22.240 the Puget Sound for almost three hours, right, which was interesting because our 205 00:17:22.279 --> 00:17:25.960 buddy mister Cooper kind of looked out the window and was like, Oh, 206 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:30.319 is that Tacoma right there? But which is interesting because think about this, 207 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:34.880 who recognizes a city from flying over it. It's not easy, It's not 208 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:38.799 easy, It's doable. Yeah, I think, but it's not easy. 209 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:45.119 All these all these little details come back because this is the most scrutinized thing 210 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:49.000 on earth. Every little detail has been mined for data or clues or interest. 211 00:17:49.759 --> 00:17:55.079 The passengers were apparently told there was a mechanical problem requiring the pilot to 212 00:17:55.279 --> 00:18:00.480 burn off some fuel. Burn it, burn it all, to which I 213 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:07.119 hope all the passengers were like you what, b Yeah, burn off fuel, 214 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:11.039 Okay. While Shaffner was in the cockpit, Cooper put on a pair 215 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:17.079 of dark sunglasses and had another stewardess, Tina Mucklow, set next to him. 216 00:18:17.799 --> 00:18:21.359 He gave her a cigarette, asked where she was from, which was 217 00:18:21.559 --> 00:18:26.079 Minnesota. He said that was a nice place. At one point he looked 218 00:18:26.119 --> 00:18:29.200 out the window, like you said, said, as like the girl went 219 00:18:29.279 --> 00:18:33.400 down there. He also mentioned that McCord Air Force Base was only a twenty 220 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:37.279 minute drive from the Stack Airport. I'd love it if he was just rattling 221 00:18:37.319 --> 00:18:41.319 this random shift off. That's what it sounds like he was doing well, 222 00:18:41.480 --> 00:18:44.519 because it is the only part that they wrote down, is it, you 223 00:18:44.640 --> 00:18:51.160 know? Substantial? Both stewardesses described him as calm and polite. Mucklow said 224 00:18:51.319 --> 00:18:55.759 later quote he wasn't nervous. He seemed rather nice. He was never cruel 225 00:18:55.880 --> 00:18:59.839 or nasty. He was thoughtful and calm all the time. End quote. 226 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:04.119 Apparently, Mucklow asked him if he had a grudge against Northwest Orient, an 227 00:19:04.200 --> 00:19:08.519 airline that had recently had strikes and labor troubles, and he told her, 228 00:19:08.680 --> 00:19:11.240 I don't have a grudge against your airline, miss, I just have a 229 00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:17.759 grudge womb. After a second bourbon, he paid his drink tab and continued 230 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:19.279 smoking, told her to keep the change. I like that. Yeah. 231 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:25.319 Yeah, really was insistent on tipping the flight crew, to which most of 232 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:30.599 them said no things. I don't watch your hijack money hijacker. Meanwhile, 233 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:37.279 on the ground, the FBI gathered ten thousand unmarked twenties with non sequential serial 234 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:44.200 numbers that had been recorded on microfiche previously, which is a hell of a 235 00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:48.640 maneuver to get that done that quickly. Yeah. I get the idea from 236 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:52.160 from this one account that I read that the bank or banks that they got 237 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:57.839 the money from had already done the micro fish, although some accounts definitely make 238 00:19:57.880 --> 00:20:03.720 it seem like they all took pictures as they put him in the little bands. 239 00:20:04.200 --> 00:20:08.599 The four parachutes were also gathered and snipers were placed around the airport as 240 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:11.839 the flight was told it was okay to land. Finally, at five thirty 241 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:19.279 nine PM on the ground, Cooper had Mucklow retrieved the money and the shoots 242 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:25.519 from outside the plane and return them to him. Fuel trucks came to refuel 243 00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:29.720 the plane, and authorities tried to stall by saying it was too cold to 244 00:20:29.799 --> 00:20:36.400 refuel, which Cooper didn't buy. I'd be happy to warm things up with 245 00:20:36.519 --> 00:20:42.079 the damn bob. In total, three tankers were used to refuel apparently Yeah. 246 00:20:42.759 --> 00:20:47.359 Cooper, getting a little impatient, used the cabin phone to call the 247 00:20:47.440 --> 00:20:51.799 cockpit and demand they, quote unquote get the show on the road. Well, 248 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:55.880 he's got things to do right. Once refueled, he let all passengers 249 00:20:55.920 --> 00:21:00.720 and crew off except Mucklow, the pilot, the copilot, and the engineer. 250 00:21:00.519 --> 00:21:03.759 He then discussed the next steps with them. They were going to fly 251 00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:10.400 him to Mexico City at the minimum air speed possible without stalling the aircraft. 252 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:15.359 That was approximately one hundred knots, which is about one hundred twenty miles per 253 00:21:15.440 --> 00:21:22.279 hour or one hundred ninety kilometers per hour, and at a very specific altitude. 254 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:26.039 Yeah, it couldn't fly higher than ten thousand feet, an altitude at 255 00:21:26.079 --> 00:21:30.920 which the cabin would not be pressurized. They also had to fly with the 256 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:37.599 landing gear down and the wing flaps lowered fifteen degrees. He also wanted the 257 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:41.400 plane to take off and fly with the aft stairs down. This this this 258 00:21:41.559 --> 00:21:45.599 particular plane, and this is a big point for this thing. Had you 259 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:48.519 could you could actually had a row of stairs that just folded right out of 260 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:52.119 the tail section, out the butt, straight out the butt, yep. 261 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:56.480 And then they had three big engines mounted above that ye kind of on the 262 00:21:56.559 --> 00:22:00.880 tail, which, yeah, that's a that comes in to play. And 263 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:04.519 the crew objected to the aft stairs on the grounds that it was unsafe, 264 00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:10.240 which he denied. But it's fine, it's fine, you know what, 265 00:22:10.440 --> 00:22:12.079 Fine, you know what. You just do what you do and I'll just 266 00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:15.680 I'll take care of it. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. 267 00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:18.119 I love that. There was a fair amount of like discussion and negotiation 268 00:22:18.200 --> 00:22:22.480 about how these things would go. Yeah, it does seem very civil. 269 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:27.240 He decided he just opened it in the air. But the copilot also said 270 00:22:27.279 --> 00:22:32.160 the plane's range was only a thousand miles, so they would have to refuel 271 00:22:32.160 --> 00:22:37.759 a couple of times before they got to Old Mehiki. Cooper agreed to refueling 272 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:44.119 in Reno, Nevada, and you met Arizona. When the crew said they 273 00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:48.400 needed to file the flight plan, Cooper, becoming more impatient, told him 274 00:22:48.440 --> 00:22:53.680 to do it later, that let's get this thing about the ground. What 275 00:22:53.920 --> 00:23:00.359 part of by the book do you think this plane is going by? Then 276 00:23:00.440 --> 00:23:04.480 took off again at seven forty pm. Two F one oh six fighter jets 277 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:11.480 were dispatched to shadow the plane, as was a Lockheed T thirty three jet 278 00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:15.920 and later a couple more aircraft. Yeah, the T thirty three was kind 279 00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:18.680 of it was a training jet and it actually never even made visual contact. 280 00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:21.960 They were like, hey, you go over here, Well we're out of 281 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:25.279 fuel. Well yeah it was. It was already on a mission, apparently 282 00:23:25.319 --> 00:23:27.440 a training mission, and they were like, ah, why don't you just 283 00:23:29.200 --> 00:23:32.000 go check this situation now, be a part of it. Yeah, and 284 00:23:32.240 --> 00:23:37.559 it wasn't. Yeah T bird. Now what's important is those those two aircraft 285 00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:42.480 the Team one oh six is yeah, darts. They were dealt to darts. 286 00:23:42.720 --> 00:23:48.240 They were positioned above and below the aircraft at a distance so that they 287 00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:52.400 couldn't be seen from the cockpit. They were not They weren't visible, so 288 00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:56.119 they were in a little bit of a distance and kind of just keeping an 289 00:23:56.160 --> 00:24:00.839 eye on it, Yeah, which proved difficult because the darkness the bad weather 290 00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:07.079 combined for terrible visibility, not to mention the slow speed, which caused the 291 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:11.119 jets to have to perform figure eights to follow at all. Yeah, it's 292 00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:15.279 kind of a brilliant trick if you want to off some fighter jets, Yeah, 293 00:24:15.440 --> 00:24:18.839 go too slow for him. And it was definitely like some accounts say 294 00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:22.960 it was just heavy thunderstorms in the area. Some are just you know, 295 00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:26.880 rains, there's a little bit of a range, but all of them say 296 00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:30.359 it's bad weather one way or another. It's cloudy, it's rainy, it's 297 00:24:30.440 --> 00:24:33.680 not cool. Since Cooper needed to secure the money bag to himself, he 298 00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:37.200 opened one of the front shoots, one of the reserve shoots, and used 299 00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:41.799 a pocket knife to cut lines, which he then used to make a handle 300 00:24:41.079 --> 00:24:45.599 on the money bag. He told Mucklow he'd need her to lower the aft 301 00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:49.519 stairs for him. She was worried she'd be sucked out of the plane and 302 00:24:49.720 --> 00:24:53.119 asked that she'd be allowed to tie something to herself with more of the rope 303 00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:56.920 than the parachute. Cooper said never mind, and asked her to show him 304 00:24:57.160 --> 00:25:00.559 how to lower the stairs himself. I'm probably much more gruff than he was 305 00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:06.400 apparently. Yeah, he seemed to be a pretty pretty all right all right, 306 00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:08.359 man, take it easy, chick. Now, there's an interesting fact 307 00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:11.920 here that like that that he has asked her to show him how to lower 308 00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:18.640 the stairs. But it turns out that this this seven twenty seven, had 309 00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:22.119 a couple of weird anomalies regarding these stairs. First of all, the fact 310 00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:26.240 that lowering the stairs couldn't be overrided from the cockpit, which is which I 311 00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:29.519 mean, if you're going to pick an aircraft, and he clearly picked this 312 00:25:29.640 --> 00:25:33.759 aircraft. Yeah, you know, I I suspect he may have known how 313 00:25:33.799 --> 00:25:36.480 to lower those stairs. Yeah, it seems that way, you know, 314 00:25:36.640 --> 00:25:40.920 like he yeah, since they were so integral to his plan, and he 315 00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:45.960 confirmed it apparently when when biding the ticket, So she she explained it to 316 00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:48.039 him how to do the stairs, and then mentioned where to find oxygen if 317 00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:52.799 if needed to, which he apparently already knew its location, which was also 318 00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:57.599 low suspect he told her to return to the cockpit and stay there to close 319 00:25:57.680 --> 00:26:02.279 the first class curtains behind. The last she saw of him was him tying 320 00:26:02.359 --> 00:26:06.279 the money around his waist. At eight PM, a warning light in the 321 00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:11.960 cockpit indicated the aft stairs had been activated. The co pilot called back to 322 00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:15.279 the cabin to ask if Cooper needed help. Cooper picked up the intercomm and 323 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:22.440 answered nom. Around eight ten PM, the copilot again called and asked if 324 00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:27.319 everything was okay, to which Cooper responded that it was, and at eight 325 00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:33.880 thirteen PM, the crew felt a sudden upward movement in the tail section enough 326 00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:37.920 to warrant some flight trimming to bring the plane level Again, the copilot again 327 00:26:38.039 --> 00:26:44.799 called back, but this time new response. The plane landed in Reno at 328 00:26:44.839 --> 00:26:49.559 ten fifteen pm with the aft stairs still down, and FBI agents boarded and 329 00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:57.240 searched the plane and confirmed Cooper was gaw gun. Never gonna see him again 330 00:26:59.039 --> 00:27:06.359 spoilers. So that's that's that story. You you want to hear a little 331 00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:08.319 of the aftermath of that, Well, there wasn't any. Thank you so 332 00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:14.519 much for listening. I'm lying. There was so much aftermath. There was. 333 00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:18.359 There was more math after than before. That's how much aftermath there was 334 00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:26.440 so FBI agents found Cooper had left his tie, which was a cheap clip 335 00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:30.480 on from J. C. Penny. Also the imitation the Taie Pan, 336 00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:36.119 which was an imitation Mother of Pearl, not even the real deal goddess. 337 00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:41.400 And two parachutes, one front and one back, one of which he had 338 00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:45.119 cut up. Yeah, which is which is kind of funny because it turns 339 00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:51.400 out of these parachutes they were um when they first brought him parachutes. They 340 00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:55.720 brought him military parachutes, and he was like, no, I want civilian 341 00:27:55.799 --> 00:27:59.599 parachutes, like for sports. So they were like, so they went to 342 00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:03.720 a near skydaiming school, grabbed some shoots and came back. Now they were 343 00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:06.079 in such a hurry. Now they swear up and down that this was not 344 00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:11.000 on purpose, because the number of shoots that he took indicated that he'd be 345 00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:14.960 jumping with someone else. Right, But they gave him a dummy shoot. 346 00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:18.160 It was used just for training. It didn't actually have it was the part 347 00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:21.519 that was supposed to open up to deploy. The shoot was some shut. 348 00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:25.920 It wasn't a real parachute. Yeah, And it was the other Front Reserve 349 00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:30.319 shoot and it was it was clearly labeled as such, and yet it's the 350 00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:33.359 one he took, right, but which I think I'll bet you there was 351 00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:38.200 like a dope a little bit where he had cut one parachute apart to get 352 00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:42.079 get to the courting so he could make his handle, and then realized that 353 00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:48.240 he'd just destroyed the only functioning backup shoot. Yeah. Yeah, and apparently 354 00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:52.640 took the military shoot anyway. Really, I didn't hear that. Yeah, 355 00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:56.200 that's that's what I that's the in the accounts that I rad. He just 356 00:28:56.359 --> 00:29:00.039 he went on and took the military shoot. But oh no, no, 357 00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:03.599 no, that's not true. And I'll tell you why. Because there was 358 00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:07.960 two shoots that he was given. One was a newer, better sportier version. 359 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:10.799 One was kind of an older, outdated one. So yeah, so 360 00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:15.480 they gave him of the two primary shoots, he actually chose the older, 361 00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:18.480 slightly more outdated one, which wasn't a military shoot. No, they were 362 00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:23.839 both like civilian skydiving shoots. One was newer, like super fancy probably you 363 00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:29.000 know for people who like gogurt. Yeah, and the other one was your 364 00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:33.839 grandpaus sports shoot. I don't know, anyway, So he took that one 365 00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:38.880 and left the better shoot on the plane right, fingerprints were lifted and people 366 00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:44.200 were interviewed. You know, all the teas were crossed in lower case chase 367 00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:48.839 were dotted. Authorities were dispatched to numerous areas in Washington to search for him. 368 00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:53.160 While it was very difficult to guess exactly where he may have landed due 369 00:29:53.240 --> 00:30:00.440 to all I don't know aircraft speed, weather, altitude, shoot employment, 370 00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:06.759 type of shoot used, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. The first area searched 371 00:30:06.920 --> 00:30:11.640 was a few miles southeast of Ariel, Washington, which was at the time 372 00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:18.359 the most intensive man hunt search in US history. Like, they they brought 373 00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:23.960 out everything they could. And the way that I read this, and this 374 00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:29.880 was kind of tragically hilarious, is that they were they were conducting the search. 375 00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:33.160 At one point they did find a skeleton, yeah, and it was 376 00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:36.359 like, oh, but it turned out it was just a teenage girl that 377 00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:38.480 had been abducted and murdered. And then the next sentence is like, but 378 00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:44.119 the search continued to find dB Cooper. Yeah, and they just like paved 379 00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:48.880 over that real ard. Yeah, and I feel bad about that, geez. 380 00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:53.920 The area they were searching was also south of Mount Saint Helen's near Lake 381 00:30:55.079 --> 00:31:00.599 Merwin. They looked framed by foot, by chopper, by boat certainly probably 382 00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:07.839 hounds hounds, but no trace of Cooper or shoot or money was found. 383 00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:11.480 The area is densely packed with forests, so even a good effort might miss 384 00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:15.480 a folded shoot in the trees. Yeah, and it's important to point out 385 00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:21.799 that. So this guy, he jumped out of an airplane with having the 386 00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:27.440 best loosely approximate idea of where he was. Yeah, there's no way for 387 00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:32.559 him to have planned that, you know, you You seems that way at 388 00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:41.599 night during a storm into dense forests which on maybe mountainous terrain. Yeah, 389 00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:44.759 which is just the best way in the world to get tree stabbed I can 390 00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:49.599 think of, Yeah, to get nature killed. Yeah, exactly, double 391 00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:56.400 nature killed. But we'll get to that. We'll get to that. Interviews 392 00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:01.720 of those in contact with Coop with Cooper described him as being between five ten 393 00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:06.079 and six feet tall, around one hundred and seventy one hundred and eighty pounds, 394 00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:10.240 mid forties, with an olive complexion, close set, piercing brown eyes, 395 00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:15.720 and wave a dark hair dreamy. He was also believed to be left 396 00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:24.759 handed oom South Park coming out of coming out of Tacoma, Washington. One 397 00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:31.519 immediate suspect was an Oregon man named dB Cooper who had a minor police record 398 00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:35.880 already. When they grabbed him talk to him a little bit. He was 399 00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:38.880 quickly ruled out as a suspect. The reason he was a suspect as they 400 00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:42.799 were like, I don't know, maybe he's too dumb to change his name. 401 00:32:44.839 --> 00:32:47.480 The media quickly jumped on the story, and in the haste to break 402 00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:53.440 it. To break the story, one reporter used dB Cooper as the hijacker's 403 00:32:53.559 --> 00:33:00.440 name, and thus the name dB Cooper stuck, even though Cooper never called 404 00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:04.200 himself anything other than Dan yep, just he was always Dan Cooper to them 405 00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:07.160 as he was threatened in to blow up sometimes Coop Coop if you knew him 406 00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:15.079 real wayper Loop Cooper Loop if you want to get punched or blowed up. 407 00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:20.319 Sears has continued with some falsil arms here and there, kind of like the 408 00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:24.000 skeleton case. Yeah, that was and then and in addition to that, 409 00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:29.880 there was a fair amount of of scammery. People would think, you know, 410 00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:34.640 they would talk about the serial numbers on the money. Yeah, people 411 00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:37.119 would bring in what they thought, you know, like a lot of close 412 00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:40.640 calls but nothing. Or counterfeit yep, counterfeit. Yeah. One guy, 413 00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:46.440 one guy scammed thirty thousand dollars out of Newsweek with a counterfeit bills. And 414 00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:49.920 they're like, well, yeah, i'll give you the exclusive interview, but 415 00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:58.480 it's going to cost you seventies right, oh man, And there's there's there's 416 00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:01.359 a fact about nine seventy one that I cannot wait to share with you. 417 00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:06.559 Okay, we'll get there, we'll get there. Nothing certain ever turned up 418 00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:13.199 until nineteen seventy eight, when a plastic placard with aft stair instructions was found 419 00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:19.039 by a hunter thirteen miles east of Castle Rock, Washington or Castily Rock. 420 00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:23.440 And his name was actually dB Lanister. That's right, He just needed to 421 00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:28.639 pay his debts. Jesus all right. It was presumed have been torn off 422 00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:32.159 the seven twenty seven by the wind. So yes, it was part of 423 00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:38.920 the hijacked plane. Yeah. In nineteen eighty nothing interesting happened, certainly not 424 00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:44.599 on a bend in the river. No, So moving on, this is 425 00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:47.840 the single best, most mind blowing clue of the whole thing. Yeah, 426 00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:52.480 I agree. An eight year old boy named Brian Ingram was digging in the 427 00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:58.519 sand along the Columbia River, which was about nine miles downstream of Vancouver, 428 00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:05.920 Washington. It's northwest of Vancouver. For being downstream because it flows, I 429 00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:09.199 thought you meant that Vancouver, Washington was somehow northwest of Vancouver, Canada. 430 00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:12.719 And I was like, well, that's that's in the water. That's that 431 00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:15.679 didn't work. They're gonna work the floating island of Vancouver. No. Um 432 00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:22.960 America's island fortress Vancouver, Washington, lonely sentinel against the aggression of Canada, 433 00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:29.679 holding out in Canada since um No, it's yeah, it's it's the rate. 434 00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:31.920 The way that you know, because of the Continental Divide, the river's 435 00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:38.760 flowing towards the Pacific Ocean, it bends around Vancouver going west and then north. 436 00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:43.400 So there's a north, there's a west, and then a north bend. 437 00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:47.360 And just after that bend, just a little northwest of Vancouver, is 438 00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:54.079 where this kid dug up three bundles of twenty dollars bills totaling fifty eight hundred 439 00:35:54.079 --> 00:36:00.400 dollars. Although severely disintegrated, they were still in rubber bands and the serial 440 00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:05.199 numbers were still visible. It's eight years later. Yeah, the money was 441 00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:09.159 reported to the authorities and it was confirmed to be part of the ransom two 442 00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:14.039 hundred and ninety twenties. For some reason, ten of them were missing. 443 00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:16.360 Yeah, and here's some some other interesting facts. Keep in mind that they 444 00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:20.840 were missing, but the rubber bands were intact. They were also in the 445 00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:24.159 exact order that they were placed in at the bank before they were delivered, 446 00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:31.119 so ostensibly untouched. Yeah, experts decided that money had been washed downstream in 447 00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:36.199 the river. It was the way it was disintegrated. It was rounded. 448 00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:40.360 Is imagine these twenty dollar bills are now like elongated ovals, as though the 449 00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:45.360 bundles had been tumbling. Yeah, And you can look up pictures online of 450 00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:47.920 these things. It's really interesting because a lot of them look burned. Don't 451 00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:51.039 they look burned? Yeah? Yeah, and I wonder if that's like a 452 00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:53.840 mold or something that was on the Yeah. I know that a few of 453 00:36:53.920 --> 00:37:01.000 them. The money was eventually split between Brian and the insurance company for the 454 00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:07.440 airline, and he auctioned a few of them all off in two thousand and 455 00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:08.920 eight, two thousand and nine. I think got a pretty good amount of 456 00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:15.079 money, Yeah, thou of thousands. Yeah, But before it was split. 457 00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:19.559 I think the the FBI kept like fourteen of them or something for evidence 458 00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:23.920 and tracking. And yeah, but nobody knows what happened to the ten missing 459 00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:29.559 bills in there. Everything looked so pristine and together, but there were just 460 00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:32.559 ten that were gone. We can we can talk about that later once we 461 00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:37.000 get through most of the stuff. But that was that was a weird anomaly 462 00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:44.800 that didn't lead didn't lend credence to just dropping in the water and washing downstream, 463 00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:49.079 right, And man, I mean they hired they got hydrologists from the 464 00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:53.239 Army Corps of Engineers. They have hired everyone you can think of to look 465 00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:59.480 at this. And that's why we keep dropping these these seemingly unimportant facts because 466 00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:02.480 they all come back. They all come back to to create this picture of 467 00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:07.760 what the FBI has and which is interesting because um and I don't think officially, 468 00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:13.559 but like the FBI, their their line has always been that guy's shoot 469 00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:16.960 never even opened. Yeah, that guy died. He died that night. 470 00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:22.599 He jumped out of an airplane and and buried himself in the ground. That's 471 00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:25.960 yeah, and that's that's a good segment to what happened to him. Yeah, 472 00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:32.199 the the FBI is just for lack of of of better evidence he vanished 473 00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:38.719 because he did. He's somewhere either eaten by bears or eaten by fish in 474 00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:44.119 a river, or eaten by trees in a forest. Like he's dead. 475 00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:50.960 He he took this, uh, the less cool shoot right, which was 476 00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:55.440 apparently harder to control than than the newer, sleeker mountain dewer version, and 477 00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:01.079 the reserve that he had was so own shut so couldn't have worked if it 478 00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:06.519 had to, Yeah, also had to. Also, he was in a 479 00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:13.599 suit and loafers, jumping into pitch black bad weather at two hundred miles per 480 00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:20.039 hour winds, which is minus fifty seven degrees fahrenheit with the wind chill. 481 00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:22.239 Yeah, yeah, and no helmet. He didn't ask for a helmet. 482 00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:30.119 So either he jumped into this and immediately froze and died, or he jumped 483 00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:35.639 and his huge, gigantic balls got in the way and he couldn't deploy the 484 00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:40.760 shoot. Yeah, I mean, I mean that is and I've I've been 485 00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:45.519 in fifty seven below, I've been in that cold. It is no joke. 486 00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:49.920 Your eyes his eyes would freeze shut, he would he would lose control 487 00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:54.480 of his hands quickly. I mean thirty forty five seconds, maybe longer than 488 00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:59.760 he I mean, shorter than he'd be in free fall. The odds of 489 00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:05.159 him being able to still function would require a lot of advance. But I'm 490 00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:07.559 not saying it's impossible. But he didn't have gloves, he didn't have anything 491 00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:10.920 covering his head or his eyes. I'd like to come back to that too. 492 00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:15.760 Yeah, that would be I mean, that would be just even regular 493 00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:20.320 under best of circumstances, skydivers, you wear goggles to protect your eyes just 494 00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:23.719 from the blast of the air, you know, And he had sunglasses, 495 00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:27.199 he had dark glasses. Is that a good idea, I don't know, 496 00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:31.039 it's a cool idea. So, yeah, it looked great doing it there. 497 00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:37.119 And this this kind of factors into this, this profile of Dan Cooper. 498 00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:39.960 Yeah, it kind of indicates a lack of skydiving knowledge. Yeah, 499 00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:43.880 because at first they were they were like, oh, no, this guy 500 00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:46.239 knows what he's doing, he knows aircraft, he knows how to skydive. 501 00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:52.480 We're looking for perhaps an next military guy we're looking and then over time they're 502 00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:55.320 like, you know what, No, no, this guy didn't know ship 503 00:40:55.360 --> 00:41:00.079 about skydiving, because he would never have done this way Yeah, he wouldn't 504 00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:04.440 have done it at all if he knew what he was doing. Like they 505 00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:07.519 came to believe that it took a special brand of ignorance to come up with 506 00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:12.079 this plan and decide it was the way to go. And keep in mind, 507 00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:16.880 he's also jumping over these dense forests and hilly at least hilly or or 508 00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:24.039 maybe even mountainous terrain at night. Yeah, nature stabbed all over. And 509 00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:28.880 even if he managed to land in one piece and not frozen to death, 510 00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:32.559 he'd still have to survive in the wilderness and not get caught or rouse suspicion. 511 00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:37.360 Right, he has I don't know, maybe he ate a big breakfast 512 00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:40.920 or something. But you can't get over the fact that you were urban dropping 513 00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:45.960 yourself in the middle of the woods. Assume some injury, yeah, you 514 00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:50.800 know, frost bite, remember, but numb hands, you know, like 515 00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:53.400 something is wrong with him when he lands, and then he's got to get 516 00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:59.800 out quickly and yeah, and have nobody noticed. No one's gonna worry about 517 00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:05.760 the the hitchhiking guy, right, So, so what happened to Cooper, 518 00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:08.960 Well, that's that's the first thing on the list. He died or maybe 519 00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:15.519 he lived and escaped to Canada or South America. Maybe perhaps he did. 520 00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:20.719 And there's this is there's an important point here. With the exception of the 521 00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:25.519 bills found in the river, never has one single bill of that money ever 522 00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:30.239 surfaced. Yeah, they've never that they knew of it all. And these 523 00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:35.039 things are continuously tracked, you know, like serial numbers are checked in and 524 00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:38.880 they're checked you know. Uh, particularly in places like Vegas, in banks, 525 00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:42.679 things like this, uh, and in Vegas will come up. There 526 00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:45.360 was a there's a theory about one guy that he did it, got away 527 00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:46.880 with it, went to Vegas and lost it all. It would have shown 528 00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:52.079 up, yeah, usually even in Casino ara of Vegas. There's a there's 529 00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:59.599 a theory that he went to Panama because apparently panamall you can spend American money 530 00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:04.320 and and yes, it's it's the Wild West for money. I don't know, 531 00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:07.920 that's that's one thing I read. I don't know if that's that's confirmed 532 00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:10.599 quite or not. But you know, one theory, right, he could 533 00:43:10.639 --> 00:43:15.719 have also lived and then went on to try a similar hijacking but then got 534 00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:19.880 caught. Right, yep, there's one guy. The other thing that there 535 00:43:20.039 --> 00:43:22.639 was another I mean, here's the other thing. And this is my fun 536 00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:25.159 fact about in nineteen seventy two. I think I said seventy one before I 537 00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:32.800 meant seventy two. There were in the United States thirty one hijackings in nineteen 538 00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:38.880 seventy two, thirty fucking one hijackings, and in seventy two alone, Yeah, 539 00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:45.480 more than two hijackings a month. And it's because successful, yeah, 540 00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:49.199 all unsuccessful. Uh. And then I mean, man, after this, 541 00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:52.840 the copycats coming out of the woodwork, all busted for various reasons nuts, 542 00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:59.360 um, but because there was no airport security. Now, I know what 543 00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:02.280 you're gonna say. We all love the TSA. We're all so glad they're 544 00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:06.840 doing that job and protecting us from and have a smile in the face. 545 00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:10.199 Well right, and so very polite about it. The TSA too far in 546 00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:15.800 one direction, nineteen seventy two, too far in the other. If you 547 00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:22.440 could physically get your body onto an airplane, you passed airport security, no 548 00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:27.159 one's looking at anything, and so they and this was this, the nineteen 549 00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:30.519 seventy two is the big bell weather for metal detectors for security sweeps, and 550 00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:36.960 it dropped that camber instantly. Yeah, I mean they just had to be 551 00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:40.400 some security, any security. And I remember as a kid, you could 552 00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:45.239 you could, you know, wander through security and you would always go to 553 00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:49.519 the gate to meet family who was flying into town, you know. But 554 00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:54.760 yeah, there was zero security. I can't emphasize this enough. One guy 555 00:44:54.920 --> 00:45:00.440 hijacked an airplane with an unloaded handgun and a paperweight which was like a deactivated 556 00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:07.400 grenade. I mean, like, I don't know why why only thirty one 557 00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:13.639 when guy took over a plane with just a disarming smile. Hello. I 558 00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:15.360 mean, I've got a few names here if you want. Yeah, I 559 00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:24.639 hit him. Garrett Brock trap nail took a tw airliner going from Los Angeles 560 00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:30.519 to New York, demanded a bunch of cash and uh apparently the release of 561 00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:36.320 a woman. Also wanted to meet with Nixon. Yeah, and I want 562 00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:40.960 to meet the Nixon. When when they landed, he was shot and wounded 563 00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:47.119 and then arrested. Yep. Richard McCoy junior, the real Richard McCoy will 564 00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:53.119 come back to him hijacked a United Airlines seven twenty seven in April, asked 565 00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:58.519 for five hundred thousand and ransom money. Got it, got it. They 566 00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:00.920 all got the money and then was arrested. No one of these people. 567 00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:09.320 They were like, here's your money. Frederick Hanneman used a handgun to hija 568 00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:16.199 to hijack and made it to Honduras. Yeah, parachuted into Honduras and the 569 00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:20.400 FBI had a bounty on his head. He surrendered. Yeah, he gave 570 00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:23.719 himself up to the American embassy. Love that. How about Rob Nolan Hetty, 571 00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:27.639 Yeah, what did he do. He was a paratrooper in Vietnam, 572 00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:32.719 veteran, and he decided to jump on board a United Airline seven twenty seven 573 00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:37.920 in Reno. Noticed that a lot of these guys still preferred the seven twenty 574 00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:44.679 seven seven twenty seven out west. He got two hundred thousand dollars, a 575 00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:51.280 couple of parachutes, and also parachuted into darkness. I mean this guy actually 576 00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:55.559 was recreating it as best he could, just wasn't in the Pacific Northwest because 577 00:46:55.599 --> 00:47:00.599 he knew what he was doing. Right. The problem is this Hetty Hetty's 578 00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:07.039 car. He parachuted near Washoe Lake. The cops were like, oh, 579 00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:09.280 well he parachuted in your Washow Lake. Let's go check that area. Hey, 580 00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:14.119 there's a card here with a United States parachute Association, bumper sticker, 581 00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:16.920 maybe we should hang out here. And then they just arrested him when he 582 00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:28.679 showed up at his car. And that lead brings us to how about Martin 583 00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:34.760 McNally. He was an unemployed, unemployed guy, it says here, unemployed 584 00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:37.599 service station attendant. Yeah, how do you as though he So he got 585 00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:40.920 out of the industry? Did he get out of the game? But he 586 00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:44.719 still had a lot of contacts in the industry. Maybe they just weren't paying 587 00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:49.679 him. Yeah, he used a submachine gun, walked onto an airplane with 588 00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:52.880 a fin submachine gun and the same thing, got got a half million in 589 00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:59.960 cash, bailed out, lost the money, and was arrested a few days 590 00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:08.280 later. Whampwomph Wow. So yeah, fifteen fifteen attempted hijackings to duplicate Cooper's 591 00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:14.440 maneuver, the Cooper maneuver. I mean, if one hijacking happens anywhere on 592 00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:19.599 the planet, it is a worldwide phenomenon and everyone can do nothing but pay 593 00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:23.480 attention to it. Thirty one in the United States alone. Yeah, and 594 00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:29.000 of these thirty one, they were most of them were copycats, right, 595 00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:32.360 They were trying to do what this guy did. There were um let me 596 00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:35.519 let me see here, I made a notice that I'm gonna save you from 597 00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:39.960 our litigious listeners. Fifteen, not quite half of them, you said most. 598 00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:42.880 And I know if someone's going to string you up on that, I'm 599 00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:45.679 not gonna let that happen to you, because we're brothers, brothers, two 600 00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:50.320 brothers. But but you gotta look at it, fighting old ladies, because 601 00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:57.679 because all cats, the moon is crashing into the earth. It's two brothers, 602 00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:01.719 just called two brothers. Had here's here's a fun fact for your clip 603 00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:07.320 and save this. When there had been more than one hundred skyjackings since nineteen 604 00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:13.800 sixty eight, Jesus, all them air pirates are I know, air piracy 605 00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:15.840 isn't that nuts? I mean, it is, it is, it isn't 606 00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:19.559 I mean, it's all I mean. I love that the FBI caught them 607 00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:25.239 all. Yeah, they all got busted except for except for Cooper, who 608 00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:30.480 probably busted himself. Um, let's go through the brief list of suspects here. 609 00:49:31.239 --> 00:49:37.280 Since nineteen seventy one, there have been over a thousand credible suspects processed 610 00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:42.119 by the FBI. Among these are a majority of idiots and attention whores, 611 00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:49.679 along with a handful of interesting but ultimately unconfirmed possible Coopers. We're gonna start 612 00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:54.760 with Richard McCoy, the real, Yeah, thank you, Army vet two 613 00:49:54.800 --> 00:50:01.119 tours and Nam demolition expert and helicopter pilot and a member of the A team, 614 00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:07.559 avid skydiver. Yeah, although he had to be drugged to get on 615 00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:14.679 the helicopter and flight, I say, giving that money fool. Staged a 616 00:50:14.800 --> 00:50:20.840 copycat hijacking as we as we told you, got caught, got arrested, 617 00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:25.039 convicted, then he escaped from jail. He was found and killed in a 618 00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:31.039 shootout. He had a movie life. His life was a movie. Would 619 00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:37.280 not confirm or deny he was Cooper, but his age of twenty nine isn't 620 00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:42.079 consistent with the mid forties of Cooper's description, and he seemed to have a 621 00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:45.559 better understanding of skydiving than Cooper did. Also, he was in Las Vegas 622 00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:49.880 that day. Oh well, that's gonna be a problem. Sorry the real 623 00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:54.079 you're the fake? Oh sick burn bro. Thanks, thanks, I've been 624 00:50:54.119 --> 00:50:58.639 working on it. Here's a fun one. How about Barbara Dayton? Oh 625 00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:06.760 bad. Barbara Dayton was a recreational pilot who was born Robert Dayton. Yeah, 626 00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:12.760 he was in World War two and wanted to be wanted to work in 627 00:51:12.800 --> 00:51:17.679 the airlines professionally, but couldn't get a pilot's license, and Dayton went in 628 00:51:17.840 --> 00:51:22.599 nineteen sixty nine gender reassignment surgery. Wow, hell of a maneuver for the 629 00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:25.159 time. For the time. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's a hell 630 00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:29.760 of maneuver. Now everyone talks about the Bruce Jenner interview all damned week, 631 00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:35.480 So you haven't come in that far. Just imagine the techniques are better changed 632 00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:39.239 and changed her name to Barbara. She planed is what I like about this, 633 00:51:40.119 --> 00:51:45.480 claimed to have staged the hijacking disguised as a dude to get back at 634 00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:50.559 the airline industry because she was mad that they wouldn't let her be a pilot. 635 00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:54.199 She said that she hid the ransom money in a cistern near where she 636 00:51:54.400 --> 00:52:01.079 landed south of Portland. But then she says, the way it's written here. 637 00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:06.719 Eventually she recanted her entire story, ostensibly after learning that she could still 638 00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:12.360 be charged with it. That's funny. Yeah, they have a whole thing 639 00:52:12.400 --> 00:52:15.519 about the Statute of limitations on this. Oh that was yeah, Yeah, 640 00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:17.480 they ruled that. No, dude, if you get caught, your ass 641 00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:21.480 is going to jail. Yeah, because they were worried about the statuete that 642 00:52:21.559 --> 00:52:24.400 whoever did this is just laying low. So they pulled this really kind of 643 00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:32.920 weird legal maneuver where they indicted John Doe aka Dan Cooper. And once you've 644 00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:40.199 once you've indicted someone, you can proceed with the criminal investigation at any point 645 00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:45.039 in the future. So they opened an indictment without a suspect. Yeah, 646 00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:49.079 but just by name, so that there would never be a question of statute 647 00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:52.639 of limitations. This guy couldn't wait, you know, twenty years quietly to 648 00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:55.480 be like, hey everybody, Yeah, here's momoney. Yeah, I did 649 00:52:55.559 --> 00:53:00.119 it. Look at my tattoos, big tattoos, says I did it across 650 00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:06.199 his chest. I am dB Cooper. Pretty pretty slick move. Judicial system. 651 00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:08.760 Yeah, who else you got? I've got Ken Christensen. Sounds like 652 00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:15.280 an upstanding guy. He was maybe posthumously tabbed as Cooper by his brother Lyle 653 00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:21.920 after Lyle watched a two thousand and three documentary Lion. Lyle Lyle Ken was 654 00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:28.440 a trained Army paratrooper employed by Northwest Orient Airlines in nineteen fifty four as a 655 00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:32.960 mechanic, then a steward, then a purser in Seattle. Do you know 656 00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:37.079 what a purser is? It's the guy on the airplane that's in chargeable all 657 00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:39.199 the money. Really, yeah, I think so, Oh, I might 658 00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:47.239 be thinking of a burser. None of this sounds real. He's got a 659 00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:52.320 serious face. But I know, hold on, hold on, no, 660 00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:55.239 no, you know what. It's a jerser, That's what I'm saying. 661 00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:01.800 Oh no, it's because I'm looking at my laptop's cursor. That's what I 662 00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:07.440 was thinking of. A ship's purser is the person on a ship responsible for 663 00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:12.239 handling of money on board. But wait, now, I don't know if 664 00:54:12.280 --> 00:54:15.360 there is such a thing as a burser. It's the guy that kicks everybody's 665 00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:20.599 kneecaps because of the bursa. Thank you, dark leman. You're with me 666 00:54:20.679 --> 00:54:24.320 on that one, right, Oh, a professional financial administrator in a school 667 00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:36.400 or university. Jesus terms, who Look who's doing things the lamest gloat of 668 00:54:36.440 --> 00:54:40.920 all time. Look who's doing things? I know who's purser and burser. 669 00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:46.800 In other words, that rhyme, I know worser. So he was all 670 00:54:46.840 --> 00:54:52.880 these things based eventually out of Seattle. And the thing is he was shorter 671 00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:57.760 and thinner than Cooper though, but he did smoke. He lacked bourbon, 672 00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:01.639 and he was left handed seventy two. Everyone smoked in like bourbon, okay. 673 00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:08.719 Apparently he purchased a house with cash shortly after the hijacking, and then 674 00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:13.079 while he was dying of cancer in nineteen ninety four, he told Lyle, 675 00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:17.079 there's something you should know, but I cannot tell you. Dick move, 676 00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:22.320 dick, yeah, dick move. If you're dying, don't do like that, 677 00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:30.000 according to an article by Yeah I must. According to an article by 678 00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:36.440 Jeffrey Gray in New York Magazine. After Christensen's death, family members discovered gold 679 00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:43.880 coins and a valuable stamp collection stamp collection, along with over two hundred thousand 680 00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:49.239 dollars in bank accounts. They also found a folder of Northwest Orient news clippings, 681 00:55:49.599 --> 00:55:52.360 which began about the time he was hired in the fifties and stopped just 682 00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:57.719 prior to the date of the hijacking. Despite the fact that the hijacking was 683 00:55:57.800 --> 00:56:02.559 by far the most momentous news vent in the airline's history, Christensen continued to 684 00:56:02.599 --> 00:56:07.480 work part time for the airline for many years after nineteen seventy one, but 685 00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:12.159 apparently he never clipped another Northwest news story, not with those scissors, not 686 00:56:12.320 --> 00:56:17.719 with that grunge. What else you got? How about William Gossett? Who 687 00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:28.159 William the Pratt gossip? Was he an iron Eagle Iron eagles is uh Lewis? 688 00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:30.880 Yeah, but no, because he couldn't be his son Lewis, because 689 00:56:31.159 --> 00:56:37.920 Lewis Gossett was. JU ruled that one out. Yeah, nice job, 690 00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:44.000 agent, William Pratt was. He was in the Marines and the Army, 691 00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:50.840 and he was an Army Air Force veteran and fought in Vietnam, Korea. 692 00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:55.760 And of course he knew. He had advanced jump training, wilderness survival everything. 693 00:56:57.000 --> 00:57:01.119 Yeah. He retired in seventy three and like any any like just like 694 00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:07.760 you and I, you know, ex military, exceptionally trained, knows everything 695 00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:12.760 about combat jumps and wilderness survival. So he hosted a radio talk show about 696 00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:17.840 the paranormal. Yeah, just like us. And he was known to be 697 00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:23.199 obsessed with the Cooper hijacking. Hmm, Well that doesn't prove that he was 698 00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:28.719 Cooper though. Well. Um. He said that he knew enough that he 699 00:57:28.760 --> 00:57:31.480 could have written the epitaph for dB Cooper, which is interesting, and that 700 00:57:31.639 --> 00:57:37.000 he used the phrase dB Cooper and Dan Cooper. Yeah, and later in 701 00:57:37.159 --> 00:57:44.239 life he told his sons that he would he done did it, that it 702 00:57:44.360 --> 00:57:49.320 was him, Okay, okay, Dad, Yeah, uh huh yeah sure. 703 00:57:49.960 --> 00:57:53.000 And then according to Galen Cook, who was the lawyer who was collecting 704 00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:58.320 information related to Gosset, Gosset once showed his son's a key to a Vancouver, 705 00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:01.719 British Columbia safe deposit bo which he said contained all the ransom money. 706 00:58:02.440 --> 00:58:07.880 Now, Gossett's oldest son said that his tad was a compulsive gambler who never 707 00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:12.760 had any money, and at one point, just before Christmas nineteen seventy one, 708 00:58:13.960 --> 00:58:15.760 right when you know, right after this happened, showed it just had 709 00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:21.239 tons and tons of cash on hand. He thinks that Gosset gambled it all 710 00:58:21.280 --> 00:58:23.719 the way, that if he did it, that he took all that money 711 00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:30.039 to Vegas and it's all gone yet not tracked. Right, there's a few 712 00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:34.440 things that don't quite add up, with a few bundles left in the Columbia 713 00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:40.679 River right drop those that throw off the dogs, well that or somebody theorizes 714 00:58:40.760 --> 00:58:45.800 maybe they flew out while he was getting ready to jump or something. But 715 00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:52.320 yeah, and ultimately the FBI can't even place him in the Pacific Northwest at 716 00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:54.840 the time this happened. And aside from his own statements that they're like, 717 00:58:54.920 --> 00:59:00.360 we've got nothing actually linking him to this, which leads us to maybe our 718 00:59:00.440 --> 00:59:07.320 best possibility and a really late in the game entry into the field of suspects. 719 00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:13.880 How about Lynn Doyle Cooper LD Cooper LDDB. He was a leather worker. 720 00:59:14.280 --> 00:59:20.239 He fought in the Korean warming stupid leather working DELDD. Big Cooper, 721 00:59:21.199 --> 00:59:25.880 and he became a suspect in twenty eleven, just four years ago. Because 722 00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:30.440 she remember when she was a little girl, her this is the niece, 723 00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:36.280 the niece. Yeah, her uncle and another uncle were planning something quote very 724 00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:40.639 mischievous. They were using walkie talkies and at her grandmother's house in Sisters, 725 00:59:40.719 --> 00:59:45.119 Oregon, which is one hundred fifty miles away from from Portland. And the 726 00:59:45.320 --> 00:59:51.079 next day, the next day, that flight was hijacked. The two uncles 727 00:59:51.199 --> 00:59:55.000 went out quote unquote turkey hunting. Ld Cooper came home wearing a bloody shirt 728 00:59:55.480 --> 00:59:59.239 that he said there was a result of an auto accident, but he was 729 00:59:59.480 --> 01:00:04.760 all sorts of duck but happy. Yeah. She also remembered that her uncle 730 01:00:04.960 --> 01:00:10.079 was obsessed with a Canadian comic book hero Dan Cooper and even had one of 731 01:00:10.119 --> 01:00:15.280 them thumbtack to his wall. She gave the FBI a guitar strap that he 732 01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:19.159 was wearing in a photograph she had of him that he kind of looked like 733 01:00:19.400 --> 01:00:23.760 the sketches they weren't able to The FBI weren't able to pull any fingerprints off 734 01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:28.320 of it. And it's amazing the amount of work that they did. I 735 01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:31.400 mean, they've pulled three different DNA samples off the neck tie that they got, 736 01:00:32.199 --> 01:00:36.679 which again doesn't mean that it's his DNA, they just found it, 737 01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:40.840 but I mean the amount of scrutiny that they've put into these things. So 738 01:00:42.280 --> 01:00:46.079 anyway, Lynn Doyle Cooper l D. Cooper pretty you know, he was 739 01:00:46.119 --> 01:00:50.079 in the right place at the right time. A lot of that story kind 740 01:00:50.079 --> 01:00:53.360 of matches up, and he ended up kind of like he was always kind 741 01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:57.840 of like they're the weird old uncle. He lived off by himself. And 742 01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:00.599 even even the niece who's telling the story, she saying her dad would kind 743 01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:07.800 of miss his long lost brother, but they believe he did it. How 744 01:01:07.880 --> 01:01:10.440 do you how do you pull a job like that? And then not get 745 01:01:10.519 --> 01:01:15.480 to spend it, right, you know, And that's that's the thing, 746 01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:19.719 you know, you there, there really is no way to spend it where 747 01:01:19.760 --> 01:01:22.559 it doesn't show up somewhere, because otherwise, what have you done? Yeah? 748 01:01:23.079 --> 01:01:27.880 Unless maybe Panama? Right, Yeah, you're not gonna fly to Panama 749 01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:32.800 on Yeah you could. But even then unless you're you're you've you've got enough 750 01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:37.599 money to get the ticket with non traceable funds, you know, like there's 751 01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:42.719 and then you buy a bunch of plantains and fly back what like? Yeah, 752 01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:44.840 what do you what do you do at that point? Yeah? And 753 01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:47.440 I and there are some people who think that this was done for the thrill 754 01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:52.079 of it, that this was done just just for shiggles, yeah, or 755 01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:57.679 to piss off the FBI or yea, the airline or whatever. One of 756 01:01:57.760 --> 01:02:02.840 the observations I had while while doing the research with this is would it be 757 01:02:02.920 --> 01:02:10.760 possible that he had some he had other stuff in his briefcase that the stewardess 758 01:02:10.880 --> 01:02:17.199 didn't see maybe, And by that I mean a change of shoes, goggles, 759 01:02:17.599 --> 01:02:22.199 gloves, Yeah, small things that he could you know, put on. 760 01:02:22.519 --> 01:02:24.480 Yeah, if you plan on jumping out of an airplane and you don't 761 01:02:24.559 --> 01:02:29.519 have gargles and gloves. You're an idiot. Yeah, did he maybe go 762 01:02:29.639 --> 01:02:31.559 through other passenger stuff? They never said that anything else. You know, 763 01:02:31.719 --> 01:02:37.440 this kind of stuff is just that I never saw what the FBI concluded with 764 01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:40.480 this. I'm assuming that it was accounted for, but like other people's personal 765 01:02:40.599 --> 01:02:45.679 items, never came up as being missing or anything like that. You know, 766 01:02:45.800 --> 01:02:49.400 maybe he could have grabbed gloves or a hat from somebody else's luggage. 767 01:02:49.760 --> 01:02:52.800 The other thing is that is and I'm just thinking this right now, but 768 01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:59.400 I believe like skydiving helmets are soft. They got like the ribs there there. 769 01:02:59.440 --> 01:03:04.119 I mean, there are soft parachuting helmets that you could also fit in 770 01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:08.199 a briefcase or a tache case. That's what you're into. I often wonder 771 01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:13.400 if there wasn't something, because there was a good amount of time that he 772 01:03:13.920 --> 01:03:17.679 wasn't seen in the plane, yeah, before he disappeared. Yeah, there's 773 01:03:17.679 --> 01:03:22.599 plenty of time for him to make a you know, a plan or get 774 01:03:22.679 --> 01:03:28.679 himself prep for that. The one Stewardess Mucklow became a nun after this later 775 01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:35.159 later became a nun and then she's refused interviews ever since. She's she's really 776 01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:38.519 I get the impression that she's bothered by it a lot, Yeah, and 777 01:03:39.000 --> 01:03:43.360 doesn't want anything to do with you know, people asking her bed and stuff. 778 01:03:43.639 --> 01:03:46.519 But apparently became a nun for a while. Didn't didn't really work out 779 01:03:46.599 --> 01:03:50.760 for her. Well, I mean, it's traumatic. I thought you're going 780 01:03:50.800 --> 01:03:52.079 to blow up or something. You know, you don't know how these things 781 01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:57.800 end. But through it all, it seemed like from the all all accounts, 782 01:03:57.880 --> 01:04:01.159 she remained pretty calm and did well, you know, yeah while while 783 01:04:01.159 --> 01:04:04.599 that was happening. And then there's always a big deal made about how calm 784 01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:09.679 he was. Yeah, even though he apparently chained smoked the whole time. 785 01:04:09.840 --> 01:04:13.000 Yeah, he was calm, he was polite, polite, and then he 786 01:04:13.119 --> 01:04:18.159 had this knowledge of the flight procedures. I always in reading all this research, 787 01:04:18.199 --> 01:04:23.599 I have a problem with that, just personally, Like I feel like, 788 01:04:23.679 --> 01:04:26.880 yeah, most people probably get shaken up, but you got to think 789 01:04:26.920 --> 01:04:30.119 there's a few people who functioned differently in life. Yeah, like certain flight 790 01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:34.079 knowledge and keeping calm. You can learn how to do that. You can 791 01:04:34.280 --> 01:04:39.159 you can do that as a person, just find out, Yeah, if 792 01:04:39.199 --> 01:04:44.079 you even meditate or even yeah, exactly, even like I think that sometimes 793 01:04:44.119 --> 01:04:49.320 in my research some people would really point out, like how clearly Cooper had 794 01:04:49.400 --> 01:04:55.239 researched this. He knew right flight systems, he knew altitude speech. He 795 01:04:55.320 --> 01:04:59.239 must be an inside job because he knew where the oxygen was or the stairs. 796 01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:01.599 He just you a lot. And so then later on when they're like, 797 01:05:01.679 --> 01:05:05.400 oh, he didn't know about this, like that doesn't jive like the 798 01:05:06.280 --> 01:05:10.920 two versions of someone who knew a lot or didn't or maybe he's like mister 799 01:05:11.039 --> 01:05:15.360 mcgoon was just like, oh, Robin, airplane today will work out. 800 01:05:16.159 --> 01:05:21.639 Yeah. I just feel like it's a little little silly to use his calmness 801 01:05:23.199 --> 01:05:28.400 as evidence that he was more knowledgeable than maybe he was. Right. People 802 01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:31.280 can get very good at showing an out outward calmness too, you know. 803 01:05:31.519 --> 01:05:34.679 Yeah, they might be nervous on the inside or something. But well, 804 01:05:34.760 --> 01:05:38.320 I mean, come on, of course he was nervous. It's not like 805 01:05:38.960 --> 01:05:43.760 he's like, oh, this is his forty seventh you know, airplane hijacking. 806 01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:48.079 Yeah, the flight path if you drew a map with all the like 807 01:05:48.239 --> 01:05:55.480 the placard that's found the money that's found on the place in the rivers called 808 01:05:55.519 --> 01:06:00.480 Tina Bar like sand bar, Yeah, which was also dredged up. Apparently 809 01:06:00.559 --> 01:06:04.079 they they dredged from another part of the river and then dumped it in this 810 01:06:04.320 --> 01:06:09.599 part from the analysis from the dude Paul, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 811 01:06:09.639 --> 01:06:15.199 the analysis, the hydro analysis. He concluded that it was dredged up before 812 01:06:15.320 --> 01:06:20.039 the money was deposited there, right, Yeah, that that there, that 813 01:06:20.159 --> 01:06:24.559 it didn't just like tumble down there and end up there. That it was 814 01:06:24.599 --> 01:06:27.719 placed there, either by an animal or by a person. But it happened 815 01:06:28.719 --> 01:06:31.400 after it didn't. It was that that didn't the dredging didn't do it. 816 01:06:31.519 --> 01:06:36.039 Yeah, the bundle didn't land there and just stay there like the drudging happened, 817 01:06:36.639 --> 01:06:41.119 then the bundle showed up, which which kind of creates a very weird 818 01:06:41.239 --> 01:06:44.920 timeline that even even the FBI is like, I gotta be honest, we 819 01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:47.840 have no fucking idea how this money got here. Yeah. Yeah, it's 820 01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:51.280 a little weird. Every everything that they've tried to do to kind of create 821 01:06:51.360 --> 01:06:56.400 a trace of this, you know, track where it went, there's like 822 01:06:56.519 --> 01:07:00.840 ope, nope, because of this, Because of this, and they think 823 01:07:00.920 --> 01:07:06.440 that maybe the drop zone or the place where he landed might might be updated, 824 01:07:08.360 --> 01:07:12.000 just because they weren't factoring in a lot of the weather or the wind 825 01:07:12.079 --> 01:07:16.519 speed. This mat might be around the Washigal River, which is east of 826 01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:24.800 Vancouver and way southeast of where they were looking. Yeah, but that river 827 01:07:25.280 --> 01:07:29.679 then eventually feeds into the Columbia, which then you know, goes downstream past 828 01:07:29.800 --> 01:07:32.639 Vancouver. And that's a that's a hell of a long way to travel, 829 01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:38.800 Yeah, by water, just tumbling around. But that's that's the best going 830 01:07:38.920 --> 01:07:42.320 theory for yeah, because no matter what they say or what they think they 831 01:07:42.400 --> 01:07:44.880 put together, they really have no idea where he jumped, No, they 832 01:07:44.920 --> 01:07:47.320 don't, and and and where the wind would have blown him from there, 833 01:07:47.400 --> 01:07:50.880 and even they were saying just even down to how long he waited before he 834 01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:54.599 pulled the rip cord, Yeah, if he did, if he did. 835 01:07:55.039 --> 01:07:59.000 And that Dan Cooper comic you were talking about, yeah, Belgian, it 836 01:07:59.199 --> 01:08:02.760 was Belgian. It was never translated into English, never sold in the US, 837 01:08:03.360 --> 01:08:06.880 but it was sold in Canada. So there there, that puts points 838 01:08:06.880 --> 01:08:10.519 on the board for him not even being And and the fact that he said 839 01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:15.519 non negotia, well yeah, negotiable, negotiable yeah, yeah, US currency. 840 01:08:15.960 --> 01:08:18.840 They think that may make him foreign. Yeah, that's not a phrase 841 01:08:18.920 --> 01:08:23.159 we use. What do you what do you think I think he died. 842 01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:27.680 I think he died too, Yeah, because that's because for the simple fact 843 01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:30.439 that the money never showed up. Money never showed up, nothing showed up. 844 01:08:30.479 --> 01:08:34.600 Really yeah, I mean I'm really kind of leaning towards He jumped out 845 01:08:34.720 --> 01:08:41.680 and froze it, couldn't even couldn't even pull the chord because he couldn't get 846 01:08:41.760 --> 01:08:45.560 his hand to function, and then just you know, ended up somewhere. 847 01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:54.640 Yeah. Imagine your eyelids icing over. Yeah, that's that's that's it's what 848 01:08:55.319 --> 01:08:58.560 is that Alcome's razor At that point, I think so, I think so, 849 01:08:58.800 --> 01:09:01.159 I think that I think that he I mean, it's it's amazing. 850 01:09:01.680 --> 01:09:05.039 But you know what I think. I mean, here's my theory. And 851 01:09:05.159 --> 01:09:08.680 again, you know, weirdly enough, an Arctic is going to come back 852 01:09:08.720 --> 01:09:12.399 into this. Okay. In nineteen ninety seven, this is a weird South 853 01:09:12.399 --> 01:09:15.560 Pole story. In nineteen ninety seven, some people decided they were gonna they 854 01:09:15.600 --> 01:09:21.039 were going to skydive down to the South Pole Station. Skydive, sky skydive, 855 01:09:23.039 --> 01:09:27.920 wear jazz the whole time, give him hand jive. Um, No, 856 01:09:28.039 --> 01:09:30.000 they were going to skydive. And it was I was a mix. 857 01:09:30.079 --> 01:09:34.079 It was some Americans, some Norwegians and some Australians, which sounds like they 858 01:09:34.119 --> 01:09:36.159 set up for a joke, but it's just really a set up for a 859 01:09:36.239 --> 01:09:42.159 terrible tragedy. Um, they jumped and and I'm not I'm not entirely sure 860 01:09:42.199 --> 01:09:45.399 why. But if it was material failure because of the cold, but um, 861 01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:49.600 three of them died and they never their shoot. They never opened their 862 01:09:49.640 --> 01:09:53.920 shoots, they never tried to, or if they didn't, they failed to 863 01:09:54.520 --> 01:09:57.920 and it was you know, a cold weather issue, and they ended up 864 01:09:58.000 --> 01:10:03.319 burying themselves seven feet into this. No, my thought is that if Cooper 865 01:10:03.399 --> 01:10:06.600 jumped out of the airplane, and I can't believe I have applicable knowledge of 866 01:10:06.680 --> 01:10:12.600 this, if Cooper jumped out of the airplane didn't open his shoot, he 867 01:10:12.760 --> 01:10:16.359 buried himself. If he landed in an open space, I mean, that 868 01:10:16.479 --> 01:10:23.039 guy's a torpedo going through dense forest. Those tree limbs are going to slow 869 01:10:23.119 --> 01:10:27.760 it down. Yeah, I mean somewhat. I mean it depends obviously, 870 01:10:27.880 --> 01:10:30.319 depends on the tree limb, depends on the tree, depends on whatever. 871 01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:33.960 But if he if he did go between trees, if he didn't hit the 872 01:10:34.000 --> 01:10:40.039 trunk of a tree, he buried himself and there would be very little you 873 01:10:40.159 --> 01:10:43.920 know, I don't think to see, I don't, I don't know, 874 01:10:44.600 --> 01:10:47.359 but at least my personal theory, in my heart of hearts, I think 875 01:10:47.399 --> 01:10:50.079 that's what happened, and that's why you never found him. Yeah, which 876 01:10:50.159 --> 01:10:54.199 means that money is still out there somewhere, what's left of it. I 877 01:10:54.239 --> 01:10:58.680 mean, it was pretty rotten in nineteen eighty, that's true. Do you 878 01:10:58.720 --> 01:11:02.039 think it'd keep better in or out of the water out? So the money's 879 01:11:02.119 --> 01:11:06.479 maybe still out there, maybe, yeah, depending on what it's you know, 880 01:11:06.520 --> 01:11:11.640 if it was wrapped in something or I don't know, Well, that's 881 01:11:11.800 --> 01:11:16.640 uh, that's what you got for a very mysterious, rapidly plummeting nutshell. 882 01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:26.399 Nutshell. Still your nutshell, you nutshells? Shoot? Was soon? Chill? 883 01:11:27.760 --> 01:11:31.640 Pick the wrong nutshell? I know some other things that are like what 884 01:11:32.000 --> 01:11:38.000 diving out of planes and hitting so hard to burying themselves? What would that 885 01:11:38.119 --> 01:11:47.199 be? Well, PUDs, it's push, I'll go first, Okay, 886 01:11:47.359 --> 01:11:54.000 go first, low hanging fruit. On this one, I'm pre establishing a 887 01:11:54.079 --> 01:11:59.239 ban on the on the phrase pooper. You can't say pooper, you go 888 01:11:59.399 --> 01:12:11.199 first? Really you did pooper? Oh? Oh, I got one oh 889 01:12:11.960 --> 01:12:17.159 I have I have a business. You can you can get barrels that you 890 01:12:17.239 --> 01:12:20.800 can store your cash in, and there's so much room. It just it's 891 01:12:20.840 --> 01:12:25.439 like you put it in, it disappears nice. Yeah, you can get 892 01:12:25.479 --> 01:12:31.960 them down at dB Cooper's. dB is a Cooper barrel, dB Cooper's dB 893 01:12:32.199 --> 01:12:36.960 Coopers. That's pretty direct. dB here Wait, which what what? You 894 01:12:38.039 --> 01:12:45.079 don't even have to change it? It does itself. I can't believe you 895 01:12:45.159 --> 01:12:47.720 stole Pooper. I didn't steal it. I just ruled it out. We're 896 01:12:47.800 --> 01:12:53.840 better than that, are we? Oh? I wanted to do Poopers too. 897 01:12:54.960 --> 01:13:00.640 You know. Um, there's an Italian guy plumber and uh his brother, 898 01:13:00.039 --> 01:13:02.119 Oh he had a brother, Yeah, he had a brother. Did 899 01:13:02.159 --> 01:13:09.680 they dress alike? Somewhat somewhat? And uh the problem is as they were, 900 01:13:09.760 --> 01:13:15.159 they were in a NonStop battle against an evil tyrant and uh turns out 901 01:13:15.199 --> 01:13:19.000 his brother went trader, even took even took the tyrant's name. Oh man, 902 01:13:19.239 --> 01:13:21.760 Yeah, that guy, that trader, a son of a bitch, 903 01:13:21.880 --> 01:13:30.079 was Luigi Kopa. They yeah, yeah, took all the coins. And 904 01:13:30.119 --> 01:13:35.479 then that's right. I actually got an airline. Oh great that you might 905 01:13:35.640 --> 01:13:42.399 enjoy when you get on the plane. It's real hot. You probably well, 906 01:13:42.439 --> 01:13:45.720 you'd probably do well to just wear a twel Okay, it gets real 907 01:13:45.800 --> 01:13:50.279 hot, sweaty steaming in there. I like it. And then the stewardesses 908 01:13:50.600 --> 01:13:56.119 they come by and they just they kiss you all attendance, try to be 909 01:13:56.159 --> 01:14:00.720 respected. Oh okay, sure they they they kiss on you and they suck 910 01:14:00.760 --> 01:14:04.359 all over your face and they just leave sores. Yeah. You you probably 911 01:14:04.399 --> 01:14:20.479 bought a ticket on a Northwest Sabbastorian tairline. Oh nice? Do you beverage 912 01:14:23.199 --> 01:14:29.920 chee coffee cook? Oh god, you know we got a new sponsor of 913 01:14:30.000 --> 01:14:33.279 the podcast. Oh yeah, no, I'm telling you right now. It's 914 01:14:33.399 --> 01:14:40.359 um it's a farm up in the Pacific Northwest where they raise dogs. It's 915 01:14:40.359 --> 01:14:45.199 a family operation. They've been doing it forever old man Cooper's cash Hounds. 916 01:14:45.439 --> 01:14:47.479 When you need to find a whole lot of missing cash in the woods, 917 01:14:47.720 --> 01:14:58.560 you're gonna need a Cooper's cash Hound. Um. I got a bonus one 918 01:14:58.600 --> 01:15:02.039 for you. Oh really, Ah, it's a show about It's a nineties 919 01:15:02.079 --> 01:15:10.880 show about Prince Beller. Yes, all right, listen to Audible donate by. 920 01:15:14.279 --> 01:15:17.000 It's a sitcom that takes place all in a plane with a guy who 921 01:15:17.119 --> 01:15:20.479 wants to jump out, but he just he can. He just does the 922 01:15:20.600 --> 01:15:26.319 right thing. Really, but with the crazy crew that's on the plane, 923 01:15:27.520 --> 01:15:31.039 it's hanging with dB Cooper. Yeah I saw that one. Yeah, hanging 924 01:15:31.159 --> 01:15:36.720 with dB Cooper. All right, enough for us. Now it's your turn, 925 01:15:36.960 --> 01:15:43.000 listener, bringing us your darkness. Time to jump into the cold, 926 01:15:43.840 --> 01:16:00.359 dark, wet night that is listener, alrighty, straight out the gates like 927 01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:04.880 this. What's your name? None of your g D business? Oh just 928 01:16:05.079 --> 01:16:11.520 kidding. It's Gretel. Oh hi, I know I like that Gretl. 929 01:16:11.560 --> 01:16:14.079 Looks like Gretel's got some sass in her pants, is what she's got, 930 01:16:14.600 --> 01:16:17.479 she writes longtime listener, first time writer. Oh, thank you, Gretel. 931 01:16:17.640 --> 01:16:19.680 I just want to say how much I love the show and the new 932 01:16:19.760 --> 01:16:23.800 site looks great. I've introduced introduced lots of family and friends of the show 933 01:16:23.880 --> 01:16:28.479 and it's a hit all around. Woof thank you, and the hundredth episode 934 01:16:28.520 --> 01:16:31.760 took the cake. Basically, you guys totally are awesome thing. Thank you. 935 01:16:33.319 --> 01:16:36.640 Now that we got the sweet out of the way, oh here comes 936 01:16:36.720 --> 01:16:43.000 the pants that are sassy. Yeah, warm up the beat button. Now, 937 01:16:43.079 --> 01:16:45.479 what the fuck is your sad sack of an excuse for not scheduling a 938 01:16:45.560 --> 01:16:50.199 live episode. Is that so much to ask mud as suspect that off friend 939 01:16:50.279 --> 01:16:55.880 Gretel is in the greatest Chicago, a Midwest area, and maybe we need 940 01:16:55.920 --> 01:17:01.159 a metal detector when we do it. Lots of nerve, Gretel, ps, 941 01:17:01.279 --> 01:17:04.720 thanks for all the brilliantly magical musical numbers. They're my favor Please keep 942 01:17:04.760 --> 01:17:08.680 them coming. Unless I've completely offended you, I'm now on the blacklist. 943 01:17:09.640 --> 01:17:12.000 It takes more than that. It takes a lot more than that. Oh 944 01:17:12.079 --> 01:17:14.840 yeah, yeah, yeah. Also, please send along my fun regards to 945 01:17:14.880 --> 01:17:19.079 the ladies over at candy Chat. They are just delightful. We shall they 946 01:17:19.159 --> 01:17:21.960 won't answer their I have to do it in a handwritten letter. Yeah, 947 01:17:24.000 --> 01:17:27.760 and go ahead and make this funnier if you read it on a supplemental episode, 948 01:17:27.800 --> 01:17:30.760 but really live episode. Thank you, Gretel. There you go, 949 01:17:30.960 --> 01:17:34.239 Gretel, Yeah, yeah, there you go. Sorry we took your cake. 950 01:17:38.439 --> 01:17:45.479 But Dave, oh, it's time to make haste TV end dispense for 951 01:17:45.680 --> 01:17:57.319 the DEI what you got? The Dean comes bearing a pun. What's a 952 01:17:57.439 --> 01:18:04.039 Druid's favorite food, Dave? Fluid gallic bread? Nice The devilish apparition, 953 01:18:04.119 --> 01:18:08.079 wonders if we'd heard about this in the news. There was a fairly large 954 01:18:08.119 --> 01:18:13.159 scandal going on recently in the tabloid magazines. They'd been publishing horrible photos and 955 01:18:13.399 --> 01:18:18.159 trashy stories about lots of celebrities, all of them submitted by the rising star 956 01:18:18.359 --> 01:18:27.319 of the paparazzi, the slander man, Oh nice, I love how far 957 01:18:27.399 --> 01:18:30.319 we can get with this. No one will hire him anymore though, because 958 01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:33.720 it was discovered that his photos and stories were all faked. That's right. 959 01:18:34.199 --> 01:18:44.520 It all turned out to be a slender sham ahi. Thank you, devilish 960 01:18:44.520 --> 01:18:51.920 apparition persition. And from the darkness wherein the apparitions lived to a place darker 961 01:18:53.039 --> 01:18:59.439 still, a place not only removed from man physically but emotionally. And from 962 01:18:59.520 --> 01:19:05.000 that place there is but one feeling, one controlling emotion. It is hunger, 963 01:19:05.359 --> 01:19:18.199 and it is conquer hungers. Hey, everybody, I'm CLU and I 964 01:19:18.319 --> 01:19:25.840 share I am hungry for souls, he writes. Excellent work lately, guys, 965 01:19:26.000 --> 01:19:31.039 Hey show idea look into the big head people. Okay, there was 966 01:19:31.079 --> 01:19:34.600 that former World bank lady who claimed they are running the world from the Vatican 967 01:19:34.760 --> 01:19:40.479 because they need the hats. Wow, she says, really anyway, those 968 01:19:40.479 --> 01:19:43.760 old skulls don't look like don't look to me like something you could accomplish with 969 01:19:43.880 --> 01:19:46.840 rocks and baby abuse. But I'm not a skull expert, just a humble 970 01:19:46.920 --> 01:19:53.079 pirate. And incidentally, I don't want to say penalty box. But your 971 01:19:53.159 --> 01:19:57.199 Druid's episode failed to mention Roman accounts of the Viking branch of the Durdic tradition. 972 01:19:57.680 --> 01:20:00.439 Certain priests of Odin were known for creating, preserve workers and sacrificing people 973 01:20:00.720 --> 01:20:06.079 by sharing a concoction with their victims made with hallucinatory fermentations of honey, amida, 974 01:20:06.159 --> 01:20:11.880 muscara, mushrooms and ergot ergotism. We talked about that sure, before 975 01:20:11.880 --> 01:20:15.800 attempting to beat them to death with their fists. They were called the brew 976 01:20:15.079 --> 01:20:25.720 kids. Oh like a knife in the ribs, like a knifings. Thank 977 01:20:25.760 --> 01:20:31.199 you, get hunger, Thank you. Dave heard from boy Smiths T Smiths, 978 01:20:31.359 --> 01:20:38.640 boy Smithers. Boy Smiths says WTF stumble Upon gone and wants to make 979 01:20:38.680 --> 01:20:44.439 sure we know WTF stands for where the fuck? We don't otherwise looks good. 980 01:20:44.520 --> 01:20:46.720 He says, we didn't give us a chicklet for it. It's not 981 01:20:46.840 --> 01:20:53.479 good enough to warrant an auto developed chicklet. That's that's exactly the case. 982 01:20:53.760 --> 01:20:57.560 Flora knows, Pascal, I know Fortran, but neither of us know HTML, 983 01:20:57.640 --> 01:21:05.840 so we can't code our own. Yeah, it's um still out there, 984 01:21:05.920 --> 01:21:09.880 but yeah, not not a direct way to get there right now from 985 01:21:10.079 --> 01:21:12.640 from our side. Maybe in the future we'll figure it out, or it'll 986 01:21:12.680 --> 01:21:15.960 get added, but we'll stumble upon that kind of house seeing. But thanks 987 01:21:15.960 --> 01:21:19.760 for writing, Thank you, sir. Now, Lord look to the sky, 988 01:21:20.800 --> 01:21:26.000 but there lighting hope in the hearts and minds of all who look upon 989 01:21:26.079 --> 01:21:35.359 it. Who could this be? It's the sorting buffalo of incredulity rights the 990 01:21:35.520 --> 01:21:40.399 following Hello David David, Hi, Hi, you guys did a great job 991 01:21:40.439 --> 01:21:43.279 with the Dkaythik episode. Thank you. But I did read somewhere that the 992 01:21:43.359 --> 01:21:46.840 mysterious newspaper from Munich would have been in their native language. I'm not sure 993 01:21:46.880 --> 01:21:50.079 why, but I found the Druids episode exceptionally funny. As far as the 994 01:21:50.119 --> 01:21:54.520 episodes in which you partook of the firewater, I didn't really notice much of 995 01:21:54.600 --> 01:22:00.279 a distance difference from any other episode. Well from me anyway. Take that 996 01:22:00.399 --> 01:22:04.199 how you'd like anyway. I was recently browsing my Netflix suggestions and came across 997 01:22:04.239 --> 01:22:11.479 a documentary attempting to explain what they referred to as the Devil's Babble. After 998 01:22:11.600 --> 01:22:15.439 reading the description, I was instantly reminded of the Voyage manuscript. Um. 999 01:22:15.800 --> 01:22:18.199 The two were seemingly unrelated. But it was only a forty five minute documentary, 1000 01:22:18.239 --> 01:22:21.159 so I watched it anyway. It was very vague, but the story 1001 01:22:21.239 --> 01:22:24.399 is very interesting. I think it's right up your alley, and you guys 1002 01:22:24.439 --> 01:22:27.760 would do a much better job of explaining it. Keep keep up the great 1003 01:22:27.800 --> 01:22:32.479 podcast and always sort with incredulity. Oh thank you very much. I thank 1004 01:22:32.520 --> 01:22:40.720 you. I'm soring buffalo. The we had said the the newspaper was was 1005 01:22:40.840 --> 01:22:44.359 foreign, not not in the language? Oh yeah, I think, yeah, 1006 01:22:44.760 --> 01:22:46.680 he's right, it's I think it was just from out of town. 1007 01:22:46.960 --> 01:22:51.039 Oh more so, I can't read anyway, so what would I know. 1008 01:22:51.359 --> 01:22:55.600 It's all crazy to me, Flora, what you got in your hand? 1009 01:22:55.960 --> 01:23:01.960 Quick? Thank you to Blinovic, Low sends us h Mums tells us to 1010 01:23:03.039 --> 01:23:10.199 go check out the x KCD comic for March twentieth was was right up our 1011 01:23:10.239 --> 01:23:14.039 alley? It was it ties in. It's strange, how it's just crazy? 1012 01:23:14.079 --> 01:23:20.840 How nature do that? Diaqui Blovich And then I got got one more 1013 01:23:20.920 --> 01:23:24.720 here? What is it is that? Okay, yeah, quit lying, 1014 01:23:25.239 --> 01:23:28.439 You're not lying, but you know what I mean? One more from Jerald, 1015 01:23:29.079 --> 01:23:32.399 Oh hello, Jerald all time, Lesner Hi, jeryld erl Rides. 1016 01:23:32.479 --> 01:23:38.560 Dudes, dude, you've never heard of the British film that Nick Cage Stinkfest 1017 01:23:38.680 --> 01:23:42.800 was supposed to be based on. I had heard of it. I knew 1018 01:23:42.840 --> 01:23:45.199 that that his Wickerman wasn't the first Wickerman, but truth be told, it's 1019 01:23:45.439 --> 01:23:49.199 I didn't realize that the previous Wickerman was like this pillar of cinematic excellence. 1020 01:23:49.199 --> 01:23:54.199 Apparently it is really touched a nerve with that. Ed Woodard and Christopher Lee 1021 01:23:54.720 --> 01:24:00.560 Hardy's The Wickerman. You deserve better than cages insanity. Britt Ekland's charm Spell 1022 01:24:00.600 --> 01:24:04.760 alone is worth seeking this one out. Also for an Android podcast client, 1023 01:24:05.319 --> 01:24:12.720 Gerald enjoys using dog Catcher Dog with two g's. It even works for authenticated 1024 01:24:12.760 --> 01:24:16.199 feeds the dog. Not sure what that means, but thank you for passing 1025 01:24:16.239 --> 01:24:18.920 it along. I know we do have a lot of it's authenticated, a 1026 01:24:19.000 --> 01:24:24.279 lot of have you not been getting your certificates, and the male listeners send 1027 01:24:24.319 --> 01:24:27.760 out a certificate to each and every one of you for every episode. Don't 1028 01:24:27.880 --> 01:24:36.520 don't write checks. I asked twelve thousand certificates them. Yeah. Yeah, 1029 01:24:36.560 --> 01:24:41.439 a lot of a lot of our listeners listen on androids. We even had 1030 01:24:42.520 --> 01:24:47.760 a listener on Twitter mentioned that. Trow on Twitter mentioned that there should be 1031 01:24:47.840 --> 01:24:54.800 a way to leave reviews and iTunes without having to go through iTunes. Yeah, 1032 01:24:54.880 --> 01:24:58.199 there's not not that I can find, although if anybody knows the way, 1033 01:24:58.319 --> 01:25:01.239 please lets play by their rule. Brother. Yeah, I thought I 1034 01:25:01.319 --> 01:25:09.239 thought you could go to the website the iTunes like online, Because what are 1035 01:25:09.279 --> 01:25:14.039 you saying, Grandpa? All of iTunes is online. There's the iTunes app, 1036 01:25:14.319 --> 01:25:17.960 and then there's iTunes with a link that you go to. I've got 1037 01:25:18.039 --> 01:25:21.720 the link that you go to on the website, But you have to have 1038 01:25:21.840 --> 01:25:26.279 the app in order stop making that noise. You got to have an app 1039 01:25:27.159 --> 01:25:32.600 in order to subscribe and downloading stuff and leave a review. I thought you 1040 01:25:32.640 --> 01:25:40.119 could do all that on the site itself, on whatever website that iTunes has 1041 01:25:41.399 --> 01:25:46.600 that's not the app. Somebody backed me up. Dave thinks I've lost my 1042 01:25:46.840 --> 01:25:54.039 dim mind. That's what that anois. That's that's the I don't believe you 1043 01:25:54.159 --> 01:25:57.479 at all. Boys, it's the I don't even follow what's happening. Get 1044 01:25:57.479 --> 01:26:00.800 anymore. I think I get what you're saying. There's like iTunes the program 1045 01:26:01.119 --> 01:26:05.840 right, then there's you can access iTunes through the Apple website. Yes, 1046 01:26:06.439 --> 01:26:11.479 yeah, okay, yeah, but you gotta but you can't do the same 1047 01:26:11.560 --> 01:26:15.039 things on both right, right, which is dumb. Yeah. I still 1048 01:26:15.119 --> 01:26:19.000 enjoyed making that sound. I'm not regretting that at all. Uh. Well, 1049 01:26:19.119 --> 01:26:23.359 that'll do it for this week for listener. May's right, thank you 1050 01:26:23.399 --> 01:26:26.560 for right tune in every ball to hear a lot of stuff coming up. 1051 01:26:26.600 --> 01:26:30.239 May is huge. Yep, we're gonna die. We're gonna literally long. 1052 01:26:30.279 --> 01:26:31.760 It's gonna be no, it's gonna be so great. We're gonna first of 1053 01:26:31.840 --> 01:26:36.239 all, uh, first of all, we've were making our preparations for like, 1054 01:26:36.319 --> 01:26:41.079 as we said before Milwaukee Para con June sixth, we're gonna be there, 1055 01:26:41.279 --> 01:26:44.960 You're gonna be there. We'll all be square because that's that's preordained. 1056 01:26:45.159 --> 01:26:47.720 Yeah, we have got tons of episodes to crank up and get ready for 1057 01:26:47.760 --> 01:26:50.319 Flora's leaving. I'm sorry, are you Where are you going? I don't 1058 01:26:50.359 --> 01:26:55.000 remember. I'm going overseas. Okay, it'd be a fun trip. I 1059 01:26:55.079 --> 01:26:58.960 think Flora's gonna hijack a plane. Yeah, it's on a podcast. Now, 1060 01:26:59.000 --> 01:27:02.159 I guess who's not going? You wear Mother Liquor and yeah, we 1061 01:27:02.239 --> 01:27:04.560 got lots coming up. So I'm excited about it. You should be excited 1062 01:27:04.560 --> 01:27:08.199 about it. You should, and you should show that excitement by going to 1063 01:27:08.239 --> 01:27:11.439 Facebook and liking us if you haven't yet, going to iTunes giving us a 1064 01:27:11.439 --> 01:27:15.479 five star review. Yeah, go to YouTube, subscribe yep, Twitter, 1065 01:27:16.000 --> 01:27:19.600 Twitter, we're at blurry underscore photos threaten us on Facebook, be like, 1066 01:27:19.760 --> 01:27:23.960 hey, I'm gonna start really making a big ea stink. If I don't 1067 01:27:23.960 --> 01:27:26.800 see some T shirts flying out of you asholes soon, don't tell them to 1068 01:27:26.880 --> 01:27:30.720 do that. We respond to pressure and we need that kind of pressure. 1069 01:27:32.359 --> 01:27:35.079 But don't work with the iTunes stuff. That's us permanent. You can't undo 1070 01:27:35.159 --> 01:27:41.800 that later. That's true, That is true. Don't forget to hit that 1071 01:27:41.920 --> 01:27:45.640 donate button that helps us get going. Don't forget to get your free book 1072 01:27:45.640 --> 01:27:49.239 audible trial ye slash blurry photos, that's worth it. Yeah, well, 1073 01:27:49.520 --> 01:27:53.520 get your get your free book. That's easy. That's it for this episode 1074 01:27:53.520 --> 01:27:59.479 of blurry Photos. I have been David Northwest Florian Airlines, and I have 1075 01:27:59.600 --> 01:28:20.000 been Dave the Dummy Parachutes Decco. I'm some shut You're gonna die. Streets By