1 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:07,240 Hi, This is Fred Green of Golf Smarter with the penultimate episode of our 2 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:12,759 annuals Spring into Golf season with the late Tony Manzoni. This is the continuation 3 00:00:12,839 --> 00:00:17,600 of our conversation that started last week with Tony discussing taking your game to the 4 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:21,719 next level, one club at a time. From June of twenty seventeen. 5 00:00:22,399 --> 00:00:27,000 Tony's book The Loss Fundamental is available on Amazon, and his DVD, which 6 00:00:27,039 --> 00:00:31,199 we converted to a private online link, is also available when you write to 7 00:00:31,239 --> 00:00:36,320 me. For the most comprehensive information ever collected on Tony, please go to 8 00:00:36,359 --> 00:00:41,320 Golfsmarter dot com slash Tony, and while you're there, check out how you 9 00:00:41,399 --> 00:00:46,920 can make a tax deductible donation to the Tony Manzoni Memorial Golf Smarter Fund, 10 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:51,759 we created in his honor to benefit the first t of Coachella Valley, where 11 00:00:51,759 --> 00:00:56,840 Tony lived and taught for decades. If you'd like access to that video, 12 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,840 please write to me directly Golf Smarter podcast at gmail dot com, or click 13 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:07,640 on the Heyfred button when you visit golfsmarter dot com. Oh there's more. 14 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,519 This is part two of taking your game to the next level, one club 15 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:17,319 at a time. With Tony Manzoni. This is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, 16 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:21,760 tips and insights from great golf minds to help you lower your score and 17 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:26,560 raise your golf IQ. There's your host, Fred Green. Welcome back to 18 00:01:26,599 --> 00:01:32,959 the Golf Smarter podcast. Tony. Great to be back. It's good to 19 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:34,840 have you again. Thank you for even though it's been a week since we've 20 00:01:34,879 --> 00:01:38,120 recorded our last one. Usually when we do two part episodes, we'll record 21 00:01:38,159 --> 00:01:41,840 one right after the other, but you had to go, so it's great 22 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,959 that we can just go ahead and pick this up. Before we started recording 23 00:01:46,159 --> 00:01:51,200 a moment ago, we were talking about our excitement that the NBA Finals is 24 00:01:51,239 --> 00:01:53,760 beginning tonight. Now I know when people listen to this, it's going to 25 00:01:53,799 --> 00:01:57,519 be old news, so I don't want to talk about the teams and their 26 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:02,640 chances and what's going to happen. You know, there's something about the Warriors 27 00:02:02,959 --> 00:02:08,560 that is so interesting that there are two players, Steph Curry and Klay Thompson, 28 00:02:08,599 --> 00:02:15,719 who are all stars, and Steph's a superstar, but they both grew 29 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:20,120 up in an NBA arena, right, Both of their fathers played in the 30 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:25,319 NBA. Right, And then you think about players like Ken Griffy Junior who 31 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:29,879 grew up in a major league dugout because his dad played in the majors. 32 00:02:30,599 --> 00:02:37,039 And there's you know, other baseball players as well. What kind of impact 33 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:42,479 or do you know of players on the PGA Tour whose fathers were also players 34 00:02:42,479 --> 00:02:46,520 on the PGA Tour and what kind of impact did it have on them in 35 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:52,639 their play? Well, in some cases, if they get the dads were 36 00:02:52,719 --> 00:03:00,159 great, let's say like Nicholas, it's it's very difficult for the sons to 37 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:04,719 they go in there with an anchor because they've got to beat a record that's 38 00:03:04,759 --> 00:03:07,400 already been established. So that's the downside. The upside to it a lot 39 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:14,280 of times is that because their dads were involved in a sport, whether it's 40 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,960 baseball or whatever, they have a better comfort zone there and they have a 41 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,960 better understanding of what's going to happen because they've been around it, you know, 42 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:27,840 all their youth. So you know, it's kind of a two pronged 43 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,719 thing there. One is one is a little bit tough on you, and 44 00:03:30,719 --> 00:03:34,680 the other one makes it a little bit easier. Yeah, I could see 45 00:03:34,719 --> 00:03:38,560 how that if that's if in fact, you do pursue the same line that 46 00:03:38,599 --> 00:03:42,639 your dad did. You know, It's like a lot of a lot of 47 00:03:42,719 --> 00:03:45,000 kids I can see just going, yeah, I want nothing to do with 48 00:03:45,039 --> 00:03:46,840 that, because there's you know, I can't match up to him, and 49 00:03:47,039 --> 00:03:51,360 I don't care. Well, that's true. I mean, you know, 50 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,599 I was lucky enough to know Frank Sinatra a bit and his son was a 51 00:03:55,639 --> 00:04:00,599 tremendous singer, but you know, going to stand up to Frank, Yeah, 52 00:04:00,599 --> 00:04:04,280 it always seemed like Frank Junior was a junior. He always just seemed 53 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,520 like a bad copy of Frank trying to do Frank. He never seemed like 54 00:04:08,719 --> 00:04:11,879 you know, at least I never knew him, and just what I saw 55 00:04:11,919 --> 00:04:16,000 of him on television that he was just trying to do Frank and it just 56 00:04:16,199 --> 00:04:20,879 wasn't working, you know. The truth being known, his his speaking voice, 57 00:04:23,199 --> 00:04:26,680 it was exactly like Frank, so his singing voice was going to be 58 00:04:26,759 --> 00:04:32,199 similar. He didn't have the pizazz and the aura that Frank presented, and 59 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,639 he didn't really have the chops that Frank had either, but he sounded like 60 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:41,480 his dad. I remember when I used to I was involved in the Celebrity 61 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:46,839 the celebrity event that Barbara Sinatra put on for abused children. And one year 62 00:04:46,439 --> 00:04:51,399 Frank Junior did the show. This was after his dad had passed, and 63 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:56,480 it was eerie. I mean, you you would think it was Frank Sinatra 64 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,120 on stage until you saw him and and the way he handled him. So 65 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,639 he had very unique the ways about him when he sang. He did some 66 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,920 really cool things. But his dad had, you know, when his When 67 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,879 Frank got on the stage, I don't care who was up there previous, 68 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,600 he just owned the thing. He just had that. He just had that 69 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,160 it thing, you know, that's it. Plus he could sing his butt 70 00:05:18,199 --> 00:05:27,920 off and then talking about wayward suns, I have to do it. Any 71 00:05:27,959 --> 00:05:33,120 comments about Tiger, you know, I don't know the details. I do 72 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:40,839 understand that you should be you know, you can't mix prescription drugs. But 73 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:45,480 a bigger question is you worth seven hundred and fifty million dollars? What are 74 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:51,759 you driving from northern Cals to southern cal by yourself? Number one? And 75 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:58,360 why do not? Why not have a driver in Florida or he was going 76 00:05:58,399 --> 00:06:00,360 I mean it was a long drive. He's going a Florida or some someplace. 77 00:06:00,439 --> 00:06:02,079 Yeah, And he said he was going home and he was going in 78 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:06,319 the opposite direction. Yeah, and you know, I mean, you know, 79 00:06:06,439 --> 00:06:10,720 when you look at the look at the videos that they're showing, it's 80 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:15,040 very incriminating. But you know, I know of people that have had really 81 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:19,279 bad reactions to drugs that are mixed. So I think that I think the 82 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:24,079 jury is still out, but a lot of people like to make a big 83 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:25,920 deal out of it and make him look like a bad guy. You know, 84 00:06:26,079 --> 00:06:29,720 he's got a lot of people that don't like him, and that kind 85 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,120 of comes with the territory of being famous. But I think there's also a 86 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,160 lot of people who are going, oh, that's so sad. Oh. 87 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:42,000 I think there's a lot of people feel bad. Yeah, I mean it's 88 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:47,079 you know, with Tiger, at one time he could have run for president. 89 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:51,920 Yeah, and then after well, he came onto the scene. He 90 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:57,240 he kind of exploded onto the global stage at the same time as Barack Obama, 91 00:06:57,639 --> 00:07:00,800 right, I mean a little bit earlier, but at two thousand and 92 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,160 eight, he was at his pinnacle and here comes Barack Obama and anywhere in 93 00:07:04,199 --> 00:07:09,600 the world. It was kind of a debate on who was the most recognizable 94 00:07:09,639 --> 00:07:12,839 person in the world at that moment. Was it Tiger was a Barack Obama 95 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,279 yeah, I think I would have voted for Tiger, to be honest with 96 00:07:15,319 --> 00:07:17,600 you, he was, you know, he was bigger than life there for 97 00:07:17,639 --> 00:07:24,759 a while, and unfortunately, because of his escapades, he lost favor with 98 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,839 everyone. Yeah, for a bit of a time. And then little by 99 00:07:27,879 --> 00:07:31,480 little people start creeping back into his camp, including sponsors. But there for 100 00:07:31,519 --> 00:07:38,959 a while he was very disliked because he had this perfect marriage, kids, 101 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,519 the whole thing, and then he dumpster for you know, for doing stupid 102 00:07:42,519 --> 00:07:47,279 things. Yeah. Yeah, My greatest fear in all of this that, 103 00:07:47,839 --> 00:07:50,600 you know, with all the surgeries that he's had, and he's had multiple 104 00:07:50,639 --> 00:07:55,279 back surgeries, and if you've been following the Warriors, you know about Steve 105 00:07:55,399 --> 00:07:59,600 Kerr and he's now regretting the surgeries that he had. He says you should 106 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,279 never do back surgery. And what Tiger's now had four Uh, my greatest 107 00:08:03,319 --> 00:08:11,160 fear is that he's addicted to pain meds. That's that's a very good possibility, 108 00:08:11,399 --> 00:08:16,480 very good possibility. Sure, Like you said, he's had so many 109 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,879 operations, you know, And I go back to I met Tiger a long 110 00:08:20,959 --> 00:08:26,399 time ago at at a tournament, on the Celebrity tournament, and he just 111 00:08:26,439 --> 00:08:28,079 happened to be there because the's a lot of celebrities there. Was he a 112 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,839 pro at this point? Was he still a pro? Was he already a 113 00:08:31,839 --> 00:08:35,559 pro at this point or was he still before that? No, it was 114 00:08:35,639 --> 00:08:39,480 before that. And the first thing I noticed that he was very small bones 115 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:43,039 for a guy that hit it so far. He was out of college, 116 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:48,080 and you know, he could bench press three hundred pounds when he weighed one 117 00:08:48,159 --> 00:08:50,480 hundred and fifty. So he's a real strong guy, and he was very 118 00:08:50,519 --> 00:08:54,080 he could run really fast too. But I noticed that he had his hands 119 00:08:54,120 --> 00:09:00,679 are medium sized, but his wrists were very small, and so his tendons 120 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,600 and everything and were built for that kind of a frame. And then he 121 00:09:03,639 --> 00:09:09,840 started doing all the weight training and heavyweight training and got very big and it's 122 00:09:09,879 --> 00:09:13,320 still big, really, And I think that that, you know, you 123 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,879 can put on a lot of muscle about your structure is built for a certain 124 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,120 body type. And I think that's where a lot of his injuries came from. 125 00:09:20,159 --> 00:09:24,480 It's just that he got so heavy muscled, and I don't think his 126 00:09:24,519 --> 00:09:28,960 tendents could hold up his knees and so forth and back. Everything kind of 127 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,399 fell apart. Because I did a tournament years ago called Kids for Kids, 128 00:09:31,399 --> 00:09:37,080 and I had Justin Leonard and Tiger. Tiger just hit the drive on one 129 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,440 of the holes with like a pro am to raise money for children that couldn't 130 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:45,519 afford to play golf and so forth. And I remember I was a fairly 131 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,720 long hitter at that time, and I got up on the hole where it 132 00:09:48,759 --> 00:09:50,399 was a long drive contest, and I really cracked when I was thinking, 133 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,080 man, nobody's catching that one. And I got out there and I saw 134 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:58,759 this little flag but forty yards ahead of my ball. He said, well, 135 00:09:58,799 --> 00:10:01,799 what the heck is that? Oh that's where that sixty year old kid 136 00:10:01,879 --> 00:10:05,000 hit it. And I mean tired, must wait, you know, like 137 00:10:05,039 --> 00:10:09,120 you weighed about fifty pounds when I when he was there, just skinnier boy, 138 00:10:09,159 --> 00:10:11,799 he could just move the ball. And I think he hit it farther 139 00:10:11,879 --> 00:10:15,559 as an amateurs than he did as a pro. Really, and he was 140 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:20,960 he was skinny, he was you know, big muscled people don't hit it 141 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,720 long. Davis Love is a perfect example of a long, lean guy that 142 00:10:24,799 --> 00:10:28,799 hit it long, even even in his later years. So I think he 143 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,240 was taken, I think, and I'm afraid that Rory McElroy's does the same 144 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:35,399 thing. He got into really heavy weight training. You know, way way 145 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,559 back when, there was a guy named Frank Stranahan who is a He was 146 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:45,080 a first bodybuilder golfer, and I just don't think that the two match. 147 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:50,639 I don't think they go together. Interesting And then like jose Canseeko was like 148 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:58,559 the first big weightlifter for baseball, and then the accusation of steroids and then 149 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,559 everybody else, and then he came out and said he and what's so interesting 150 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,080 is he came out and said he was going to do this book that everybody's 151 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:11,840 doing steroids, and everyone's chastised him and berated him and pretty much blackballed him 152 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:16,600 from the world of baseball. And now that many years later, he was 153 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,879 right, all wrong. He's the one that was right. You can't blame 154 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,919 athletes for trying to get an edge when everybody else is doing the same thing. 155 00:11:26,639 --> 00:11:31,720 And you know, no one's really said, no one's ever been definitive 156 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,600 about steroids and things like that what they can and cannot do and if you 157 00:11:35,639 --> 00:11:41,240 don't abuse them, and doctors prescribed them for guy's sake. So but the 158 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,360 problem is is that when you get into weight training and you get into Okay, 159 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,559 my arms is this big. I want to get him bigger, and 160 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,960 I want to do this. You're in that arena where that stuff is bandied 161 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:56,639 about, and that's when you get that's when you're you're you know it's I 162 00:11:56,639 --> 00:12:00,879 think it's I think it's like something that is like a drug almost. You 163 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,240 want to get bigger, you want to get stronger. You get in the 164 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,960 gym, your press bench pressing so much, you want to press more, 165 00:12:07,279 --> 00:12:09,279 and that stuff is available and it kind of calls out to you, and 166 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,399 that's when that's when the mistakes started happening, and you started injecting stuff and 167 00:12:15,039 --> 00:12:18,639 doing more of it than you should, and then you pay the piper. 168 00:12:18,919 --> 00:12:22,879 That's why you see so many football players dying so early. I really attributed 169 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:28,159 to a lot of that kind of stuff, the steroids line and pain medication. 170 00:12:28,919 --> 00:12:31,360 Sure sure, yeah, you know, when you're od on that stuff 171 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,200 or when you do it too much in your system eventually catches up with you. 172 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:46,240 Let's get back to our conversation started to be last week. I wanted 173 00:12:46,279 --> 00:12:50,960 to continue this week because you gave so much really valuable information and what we're 174 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:54,960 talking about is taking your game to the next level, one club at a 175 00:12:56,039 --> 00:12:58,720 time, and we're dissecting each of the clubs in our bag to see what 176 00:12:58,759 --> 00:13:05,559 we can do to improve our game and improve our ball striking and lower our 177 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:11,840 scores by focusing on practicing with each club and what we can do. Last 178 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,919 week we talked about the putter, the eight iron, chipping with an eight 179 00:13:13,919 --> 00:13:18,600 iron, and the lob wedge, uh, and the sand wedge, and 180 00:13:18,639 --> 00:13:22,960 then you know how how a ball releases when you're when you're chipping, and 181 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,519 how much it releases. So if you miss that, you've got to go 182 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,879 back to hear that. But let's talk now. Let's start again here. 183 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:37,519 Let's start at the sandwich. We really didn't cover much of it. Uh, 184 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:43,039 what tell me what i need to do better with my sand wedge that 185 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:48,759 I'm not doing that's going to get the ball closer to the hole? Well, 186 00:13:48,799 --> 00:13:52,320 you know, the sandwich is a marvelous club. Jean Sarahson was the 187 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:58,240 one that invented the thing, and it's been primarily used for bunker shots and 188 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:03,240 shots on the green and hitting flop shots, but then with the advent of 189 00:14:03,159 --> 00:14:09,039 higher lofted clubs being made with lob wedge and so forth, in my estimation. 190 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,639 And this is just my opinion. And maybe I'm just a little old 191 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:16,639 school, because I am old. I like to hit all kinds of shots 192 00:14:16,639 --> 00:14:20,080 with the sandwich. I don't even carry it, you know. I put 193 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:24,720 a six degree in and it it befuddled me because I couldn't get the distance 194 00:14:24,799 --> 00:14:31,679 control that I wanted. I expected more distance, and I came up short 195 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,919 with a lot of shots. So I've learned that I've gone back to the 196 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:37,600 sandwich. I've taken a little bounce off of it so I could use it 197 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:41,399 in the fairways and I can open it up and hit that lob shot. 198 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:46,600 And really it's that that's what you should do. When I got to know 199 00:14:46,759 --> 00:14:50,799 when I was with Callaway and I got to know teaching Rodriguez a little bit 200 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,399 and listen to him. You know, he had about twenty shots with a 201 00:14:54,480 --> 00:15:00,360 wedge. He could just do anything with it. And then in subsequent with 202 00:15:00,399 --> 00:15:03,679 Lee Trevino, Lee Trevino, he said, I could I could do brain 203 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:09,679 surgery with my wedge. Uh. You know that's that is. If you 204 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,519 want to play golf and shoot low numbers, you've got to be a wizard 205 00:15:13,759 --> 00:15:18,120 with those short clubs, especially the sandwich and pitching wedge and then shots around 206 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:22,200 the green. But the sandwich is a fantastic club, but you must make 207 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:26,200 sure that you have the correct bounce for what you're trying to get done. 208 00:15:26,759 --> 00:15:31,440 Uh and and that's uh and And you know, I love the Cleveland wedges. 209 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:35,600 I love the title of Volky Wedges. They seem to be whoever is 210 00:15:35,639 --> 00:15:41,519 doing the design and seems to be a good player and understands what they should 211 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:46,519 be like, especially in the bounce area. Can you It's been discussed before, 212 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:52,039 but there's still it's confusing. What do you mean by bounce? Well, 213 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:56,320 bounce there's a you know, the flange on the golf club. Well, 214 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,440 if you take it to club and turn it over, you'll see that 215 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,320 a high bounce club, the flange kind of sticks out a little bit. 216 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:06,519 It's it's higher, I'm sorry. Flange is is the part that touches the 217 00:16:06,559 --> 00:16:12,399 ground? Yes, so a highlight. Uh uh. The idea of the 218 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:18,399 flange is that it penetrates the sand a little bit. It goes into the 219 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,080 sand a little bit, and that's what put sand on the face of the 220 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:23,240 club, and then you hit the ball and the ball comes out soft. 221 00:16:25,679 --> 00:16:30,879 So way back when I've got an old Wizard wedge by Johnny Rivolta that's like 222 00:16:30,919 --> 00:16:36,120 an anvil, very heavy, big big flange on it. But it was 223 00:16:36,159 --> 00:16:41,320 primarily for the sand, for the sand, But you also want to a 224 00:16:41,399 --> 00:16:44,279 sandwich that you can use off the turf. And if you have too much 225 00:16:44,799 --> 00:16:48,720 bounce on it and you're hitting off a tight lie, you're gonna hear some 226 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:55,919 some nifty little skull shots that you don't you don't want. So I've always 227 00:16:55,919 --> 00:17:00,120 believed that I want to I can get the ball out of the bucker and 228 00:17:00,159 --> 00:17:06,039 I don't need I don't need that the high loft of the bounce. I 229 00:17:06,079 --> 00:17:10,000 don't need high a big, big bounce on it. I can use a 230 00:17:10,039 --> 00:17:11,599 lower bounce, and I just open the thing up. And I feel like 231 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:15,759 I want to slide the club under the ball a little bit more. I 232 00:17:15,799 --> 00:17:18,880 don't. I don't stick it in the sands so much and explode it out. 233 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,200 And I think in today's world you see more of the sliders where they 234 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,079 slide the ball out a little bit. You don't see the too much chunk 235 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:33,599 and run as as you did way back when. So I like, I 236 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,920 like my sandwich to be a little bit more utility for me where I can 237 00:17:37,039 --> 00:17:40,559 use it in the fairways, use it off of a tight lie and use 238 00:17:40,599 --> 00:17:44,680 it in the bunker. So the that that little piece that comes down, 239 00:17:44,799 --> 00:17:48,000 it's kind of a V shape. That's that's what it looks like when you're 240 00:17:48,039 --> 00:17:52,920 looking at the bounce, and the more V the shape is, the bigger 241 00:17:52,960 --> 00:18:00,559 the bounce. Hard to say, Yeah, it's hard to explain with holding 242 00:18:00,559 --> 00:18:02,599 a club up. Yeah, it's hard to explain with the words. You 243 00:18:02,599 --> 00:18:07,079 have to see it. Yeah. Are you saying that it's easier to get 244 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:14,200 the ball to stop when you slide it under the when you're in a bunker, 245 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:18,440 or when you explode it up get the ball to stop? It has 246 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,839 to do with speed. The more speed you can generate and hit and do 247 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,960 it properly, the more spin you put on the ball, the more you 248 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:32,720 stop the ball. A lot of people like to hit it so that it 249 00:18:32,799 --> 00:18:36,279 releases a little bit and not too many guys are trying to carry it to 250 00:18:36,319 --> 00:18:41,440 the hole and make it stop. That's the conditions have to be perfect for 251 00:18:41,519 --> 00:18:45,279 that in the sand. But you watch the guys today, they really they 252 00:18:45,319 --> 00:18:51,359 have that blade really open with the sandshot, and you know they just come 253 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:56,599 from au to in on it and slide that baby underneath. Venturre used to 254 00:18:56,799 --> 00:19:00,599 when I when he was alive and I got to play golf of them, 255 00:19:00,599 --> 00:19:03,240 I used to watch them, and that's that was his things. I feel 256 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,079 as if there's a tea under the ball and try to clip that tea. 257 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,759 And I hit a lot of skull shots for a while until I got that 258 00:19:10,759 --> 00:19:15,880 feeling where I could slide the thing underneath. You said perfect conditions, when 259 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:22,359 the when the when your ball's in the sand and under perfect conditions? For 260 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:26,279 for me, I'm a public course guy, right. I don't play the 261 00:19:26,319 --> 00:19:30,960 country club that has fresh sand brought in every six months and so lots of 262 00:19:32,039 --> 00:19:36,400 times, especially after a harsh winter like we had. You know, the 263 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:41,759 sand the bunkers are now hardly sand. They're almost mud or have turned into 264 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:48,319 hard you know, hard dirt. What are perfect conditions? Well, then 265 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:52,279 you have to get a little you know, when you have it really hardpan, 266 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,440 you've got to be steeper on the shot. You gotta literally make your 267 00:19:55,440 --> 00:20:00,160 own sand by hitting straight down into it and digging a little bit that you 268 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,279 you just that's what that would be a condition where you're stuck with it because 269 00:20:03,319 --> 00:20:06,440 if you try to pinch it off of a hard pen, you run the 270 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,559 risk of the club bouncing because of the law of the bounce on the club 271 00:20:11,039 --> 00:20:14,279 and it bounces into the ball when I mean you know, the club head 272 00:20:14,319 --> 00:20:17,279 bounces into the ball and you hit it the middle of the ball and scull 273 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,960 it. So in that case you got to get steeper with it. The 274 00:20:21,279 --> 00:20:26,000 problem COMMUNI places and places like that not only is sometimes there's way too much 275 00:20:26,039 --> 00:20:30,400 sand and it's really soft, because it's not it's not a silica sand. 276 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,440 It's a it's like a blow sand that you get it or in the desert, 277 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:38,319 and that's really much more difficult to get it out and make it do 278 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,400 what you wanted to do. In that case, you're just trying to get 279 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,960 it out and hopeful, hoping for the best. Uh. But if you 280 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:49,720 look at the tour, the bunkers are perfect and they and they have kind 281 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:55,039 of what they call the silica sand, and it's it's it's a tight sand 282 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:59,400 in a way you can slide the club under, but it's not arduous where 283 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:03,519 you can't get true real heavy sand. It's very difficult. And when you 284 00:21:03,559 --> 00:21:07,480 look at the tour, you'll notice that even if they hit wayward shots, 285 00:21:07,519 --> 00:21:11,960 they don't lose balls. That's because there's people standing there watching where they land. 286 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,640 I mean, it would be so much nicer and we'd play so much 287 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,759 better if we didn't have to go searching for a ball that we saw land 288 00:21:18,839 --> 00:21:22,799 and okay, it's in the rough over there and you can't find it anyway. 289 00:21:22,839 --> 00:21:27,359 That's yeah, very very seldom you see a lost ball on tour because 290 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:33,000 there's so many people watching. It happened occasionally, but very seldom. And 291 00:21:33,079 --> 00:21:37,599 plus I think the average guy's errant shot is a little bit more erranch than 292 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:42,880 the pros. But you're right, that's a that's a great thing that you 293 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,640 never never really lose a ball. Yeah. Yeah. Is there a difference 294 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:52,359 of the way bunkers are prepared or the type of sand that are in bunkers 295 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:57,559 in the fairway versus the green side bunkers. No, they're generally, you 296 00:21:57,599 --> 00:22:00,720 know, if they're using a silica sand, they're using it all the bunkers. 297 00:22:03,799 --> 00:22:10,200 Typically muni courses, they're they're using a heavier sand so it stays in 298 00:22:10,279 --> 00:22:15,160 there a little bit more. But they don't use a different sand for fairways 299 00:22:15,559 --> 00:22:21,319 than they do a green side generally, okay, good, I need to 300 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:26,559 know that how many how many wages do you carry in your bag? A 301 00:22:26,599 --> 00:22:33,279 pitching edge and sandwich? So what do you carry? Fourteen clubs? Sure, 302 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,000 then you load up? Yeah, where do you load up? I 303 00:22:37,079 --> 00:22:44,839 load up with the rescue clubs. How many do you carry? Let me 304 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:49,960 see, I've got a driver, three wood, five wood three four five 305 00:22:52,000 --> 00:23:03,039 three four five rescue than six seven eight nine pitching white sandwich. So I 306 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:11,000 carry driver forwood, then a high three hybrid, four hybrid, and my 307 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:22,400 irons are five six seven eight nine pitch gap sand lob I carry. I'm 308 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:27,759 more on on the wedge side because to me, it's you know, I 309 00:23:29,559 --> 00:23:33,440 I'll hit my forwood. You know, my driver I can hit I average 310 00:23:33,519 --> 00:23:40,440 like two forty or two between two forty to fifty. But the I can 311 00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:45,839 hit my forewood about two ten to two twenty, and then my three hybrid 312 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:52,839 I hit two hundred and then one eighty five. So to me that I 313 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,960 feel like I've got all that covered that distance because I'm not going to go 314 00:23:57,039 --> 00:24:02,519 beyond it. You know, each individual is different. I tried the gap 315 00:24:02,599 --> 00:24:07,319 wedge for a while, but again it was confusing for me. First of 316 00:24:07,319 --> 00:24:12,359 all unless you're unless you really play a lot and you're very skilled. The 317 00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:17,839 hardest part is distance control. If I've got a ninety one yard shot, 318 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,920 it's really hard for me to hit at ninety one yards. I remember the 319 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,680 funny story the cat he said, Hogan said to the caddy, how far 320 00:24:25,759 --> 00:24:29,240 is He says it's ninety six or ninety seven? He says, which one 321 00:24:29,319 --> 00:24:34,400 is it? Because that's how immaculate Hogan was about playing the game. I 322 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,680 mean, he really could hit it within yards. But the average person, 323 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:45,039 even a guy's on tour, as you can see, they're either short or 324 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,400 long most of the time. So what's the difference in your distance between your 325 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:55,160 pitching wedge and your sand wedge on a full swing? You know, I 326 00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:57,759 had my set, my set set up so that my sandwich is a little 327 00:24:57,799 --> 00:25:02,200 on the strong side, so it's a little closer to my pitching wedge, 328 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,079 so there's no need for the gap. My sandwich is a fifty four degree. 329 00:25:06,599 --> 00:25:11,079 A lot of them are fifty sixes and so forth right, So you 330 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,519 know, I don't find it. I've never had a problem. And I 331 00:25:14,599 --> 00:25:18,839 played for years before there was gap wedges and sixty degree wedges, and I 332 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,279 did just fine. But you know, manufacturers put that seat in your heads 333 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,519 so you can buy more product. You know, you gotta have a have 334 00:25:26,599 --> 00:25:30,279 a gapodge. You got to have a sixty degree. I mean, and 335 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,599 I think Michelson has a sixty four degree or something like that. I'd be 336 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,319 afraid I was going to hit myself in the head with a thing, you 337 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,480 know, so, but I just don't see an need for it. Well, 338 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,200 I have like a thirty five yard difference between my pitching wedge and my 339 00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:48,920 sand wedge, And to me, that's like, why would I want a 340 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:55,039 thirty five yard gap there when it could be so many different shots for me 341 00:25:55,839 --> 00:25:59,200 as I'm getting you know, from my approach shot, I can deal with 342 00:25:59,319 --> 00:26:04,039 a twenty five yard distance between my long ones, but on those short spots, 343 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,599 but you can. You may be your pitching wedge is a little strong 344 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,680 and your your sandwich is a little weak, but you should be able to 345 00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:18,039 take a pitching wedge out and hit it fifty sixty, seventy eighty. You 346 00:26:18,039 --> 00:26:21,400 should be able to hit it all those distances. So, I mean, 347 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,759 for Haven's sake, they didn't have lob wedges or rescue. I mean, 348 00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:32,920 what am I trying to say, gap wages for a long our gap clubs 349 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,680 for a long time. Uh, And people were able to you know, 350 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,960 that's called shot making, and that gets back to these clubs. You know, 351 00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:45,799 the great players. I hold him. He would hit every club in 352 00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:48,839 the bag and during a practice round twenty five times, and he hit them 353 00:26:49,559 --> 00:26:53,680 different trajectories left to right, right to left, high and low. And 354 00:26:53,799 --> 00:26:56,839 he could stand out there and with his whole set of clubs and hit it 355 00:26:57,079 --> 00:27:02,599 and hit a green say out about one fifty one sixty with every club in 356 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:07,319 the bag, including the driver. So he had the ability to speed it 357 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,039 up or slow it down and still make a legitimate swing and hit the ball 358 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:18,440 flush. That's what's missing today. Everything is uh. You know I hit 359 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,720 a seven and one seventy and that's all I hit it. Well, you 360 00:27:21,759 --> 00:27:26,920 should be able to hit it one twenty or one ten. Uh. If 361 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:32,799 if a person would take the clubs that they have and practice with them and 362 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,519 use them for different distances, you'd be surprised they could literally eliminate some of 363 00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:41,839 the clubs in their bag and still and still be able to play without any 364 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:49,920 problem. You're making a basic assumption that we practice well. I can't tell 365 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,240 you how many people complain about the fact that they want to be more consistent, 366 00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:56,799 but they never practice, right, that's right. I mean, oh 367 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,960 man, if I was only more consistent, well, what are you doing 368 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:06,519 to work on that? Play golf world when best in the world, that's 369 00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:10,000 all they do for a living is play golf. Ah, the keywords there, 370 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:15,200 the keywords for a living. Will have to do other things. Yeah, 371 00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:21,759 that's why. I mean, you can't expect to play at the level 372 00:28:21,839 --> 00:28:25,319 that they play and not hit the ball. A number of balls that they 373 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,720 hit, I mean, just not possible. It's just a comfort thing. 374 00:28:27,759 --> 00:28:32,160 It's a mental thing. Really. When you've hit a lot of balls, 375 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,359 you're storing that in your subconscious mind. And the better you hit it, 376 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,480 the better picture you have in your subconscious mind. Average guy when he goes 377 00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:44,079 to play, he doesn't I mean, he doesn't know what's going to happen 378 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:49,079 that day, probably within a twenty stroke period. Where the turing pro you 379 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,920 know, if he has a bad day, he's going to shoot seventy two 380 00:28:52,079 --> 00:28:57,599 or three or four. The average guy who maybe averages let's just say eighty 381 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:03,440 five, he doesn't know if it's going to be one hundred and twenty ninety 382 00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:11,559 five or maybe an eighty, and that's because the golf clubs aren't his friends, 383 00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:18,839 because he hasn't hung out with him enough. That's one of the things 384 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,319 I talk about when someone asks, you know, if I play for money, 385 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,160 It's like, no, I'm competing against too many things that I can't 386 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,279 bring money into the equation as well, because then I really freak out. 387 00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:32,440 And one of the things that I feel like I'm competing against is my golf 388 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,000 clubs. I mean there's the terrain, there's the weather, there's my head, 389 00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:41,160 and then a different club for every shot, different length, and you 390 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:47,880 know I'm competing against those two. Yeah, I mean, it's the game 391 00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:52,519 is we manifest a lot of things, like the thing when I have a 392 00:29:52,599 --> 00:29:53,799 young lady that I teach. I'm not going to use her name, but 393 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:59,599 she constantly talks to me about the pressure, and you know, that's a 394 00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:06,240 that's something that we we create because of doubt. There's no such thing as 395 00:30:06,279 --> 00:30:08,799 pressure. I mean, the golf hold doesn't know anything about pressure. The 396 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,839 golf clubs don't know anything about pressure. The player is the one that is 397 00:30:14,319 --> 00:30:18,119 putting a value on the shot that doesn't need to be put on it. 398 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,480 You know, I got one hundred and fifty yard shot to a green. 399 00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:25,920 I've got a club I select, and if I make a decent swing, 400 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,599 I should be able to put it on that green. But now if I 401 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,559 don't get it on that green, I may lose the tournament. Or if 402 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,359 I hit in that bump or hitt in the water, these are all perceptions, 403 00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:41,119 and that's what as a coach, that's what I'm always trying to explain 404 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,119 to my players that there is no such thing as pressure. When the flag 405 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,079 goes up, it's no different the golf course that change. The ball didn't 406 00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:53,720 change. The only thing that changes is your mindset. See so in trying 407 00:30:53,759 --> 00:30:56,519 to be a good golfer, you have to work on that aspect too. 408 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:02,920 And of course, the more that you practice and the more good shots that 409 00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:07,920 you see, the better chance you have of having a good image as you 410 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,880 stand up to that ball getting ready to strike into a target. He was 411 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:18,240 playing yesterday with some guys and one of them drove the green with a flag 412 00:31:18,599 --> 00:31:26,039 in the back and left himself about a twelve foot putt for eagle. He 413 00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:30,720 had more pressure on him than the rest of us did because we were you 414 00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:34,559 know, putting for par or bogie, and he was putting that all the 415 00:31:34,599 --> 00:31:40,640 pressure was on him, not the three pot. Well, but to see 416 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,079 there you go, it's a twelve foot putt, right, It hasn't changed. 417 00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:48,839 It's a twelve foot putt. But it's how we deal with it. 418 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,759 If it's a twelve foot putt for a triple bogie, his chances are probably 419 00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:55,680 better to make it than if it's a twelve foot putt for an eagle. 420 00:31:55,920 --> 00:32:00,079 And yet it's still a twelve foot putt. But again it becomes a you 421 00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:04,160 know, it's it's there's a value associated with it. And and that's where 422 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,440 we get into trouble in this game if you could. But we're but we 423 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,400 have emotions and that you know, it's easy for me to say that, 424 00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:15,519 But we have emotions and and we we have pride, and we have ego, 425 00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:17,960 and we have all these things that we have to deal with. So, 426 00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:24,039 but there is no such thing as pressure. That's a that's a manifestation 427 00:32:24,279 --> 00:32:30,400 of our mind where we perceive things that are things. This is more valuable 428 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,240 than that. I want to be able to tell everybody I eagle as whole. 429 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:37,119 Uh. And so you know this, this becomes more difficult than the 430 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:43,920 twelve foot putt is uh, but who knows that button? If I if 431 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,319 I knew how to press that button, we wouldn't be talking, you know, 432 00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:52,200 I'd be in the Caribbean in a big ship or something. You know. 433 00:32:53,319 --> 00:32:59,000 That's that's the constant dilemma that we all face as players. But I 434 00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:01,880 mean the reality of it, there is no there's no such thing as pressure. 435 00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:07,279 It's just perception, you know. Well, I would think that a 436 00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:13,039 twelve foot putt for Eagle, for an amateur, the guys in his head 437 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,480 going, I got to make this putt, I have to make this I 438 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,000 have to make this pot. Well, he's doomed, right. But on 439 00:33:19,119 --> 00:33:25,359 the professional level, a twelve foot putt for Eagle to win, it's a 440 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,000 difference. I mean, you're saying, he's not going I have to make 441 00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:32,240 this putt, I have to make this putt. Well, I think professionals 442 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:37,880 have a little better idea of what what is the percentage of makes with a 443 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:43,839 twelve foot put on tour? And if I think if you if you look 444 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,079 at statistics, you know they don't make every one of them for sure, 445 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:53,000 I would probably say that you've got maybe a forty percent chance of making it. 446 00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:57,160 If you hit ten balls on a twelve foot putt, you probably make 447 00:33:57,279 --> 00:34:00,920 six or four. But it's a lot the percentage is a lot higher. 448 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,400 And and that's another thing I tell my boys. Look, if you got 449 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,800 a twenty footer, know that that's that's a low number percentage on tour to 450 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:14,840 make for sure. So relax a little bit, put a put a good 451 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,719 role on it. And if you if you don't three putt it, if 452 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:21,360 you roll it up there close, you sometimes make it, bravo. But 453 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:22,880 if you don't make it and you get it up by the whole, good 454 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:28,239 job and tapping the putt, go to the next hole. You've got to 455 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,960 be realistic about puts. I mean, I've had I've had boys on my 456 00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:32,960 team that miss a fifty footer and you know, they lip it out and 457 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,480 they'll go crazy. Is it? What you what? Are you insane? 458 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,239 Do you think you're gonna make a fifty footer every time? You know? 459 00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:44,199 But that that but when you get that close, but I mean, like 460 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,760 when it lips out at from fifty feet, of course you're going to like, 461 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,719 oh I wish that would have gone in, But you should laugh, 462 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,880 could laugh, Holy Macro Hobbs made that thing, you see, it's the 463 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,639 way you look at it, you know. Jordan Speed, I mean he's 464 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,559 like a wizard. I've never seen anybody make long puss as many times as 465 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,239 he does and when he misses. But you can't fall apart at the seams 466 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,800 as something that's unrealistic. I mean, you just can't. And I think 467 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:15,800 the better, the better players handle it differently. They'll smile to themselves with 468 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:20,840 a little wry smile. God almost made that, But they're not beating themselves 469 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,360 up because they missed it. And I mean you just have to be a 470 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:29,480 lunatic to think that. But young people, especially young people, they think 471 00:35:29,519 --> 00:35:32,159 that everything is makeable and when you miss, it's a disappointment. But not 472 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:37,039 always. You know, if you've got a thirty or forty footer and you're 473 00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:39,159 rolling up there a couple of feet from the whole, good job, it's 474 00:35:39,159 --> 00:35:45,239 happening, and go to the next hole. But again, I think that 475 00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:50,880 the unqualified player, the high handicap player, or the mid handicap player, 476 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:55,280 or even the scratch player, we have a different view of things than the 477 00:35:57,079 --> 00:36:06,400 guy that's on the tour plane. I think that you and you talk about 478 00:36:06,519 --> 00:36:10,719 young people today and getting upset about missing fifty foot putts. You probably don't 479 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,840 play golf video games, do you, Tony, because they make those all 480 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:19,320 the time. No, I don't. I try to stay away from that. 481 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,760 To me too, because I have had a personality that that's all I'd 482 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:28,639 be doing. I want to get into the long irons. You talked about 483 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,280 the seven iron and the different shots that you can have with the seven iron. 484 00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:35,079 I know, for me, one of the shots that I like to 485 00:36:35,159 --> 00:36:37,280 practice a lot. I'm about one hundred and forty five with my seven iron, 486 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,039 and fact, the fact that you said one hundred and eighty just blows 487 00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:45,559 my mind. So I'm about one hundred and forty five. But I also 488 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,760 know that where I play, how often I play, where I play, 489 00:36:51,079 --> 00:36:53,719 there's a lot of trees, and so there a shot that I have to 490 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,480 have in my bag is to be able to punch it back out to the 491 00:36:57,559 --> 00:37:00,880 fairway and keep it under the branches. And so for me, I can 492 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:07,280 do a seventy yard or one hundred yard shot with my seven iron just letting 493 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,119 it roll out, just you know, punching it out. So that that 494 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:15,360 is definitely one of those shots that I practice. So let's talk about long 495 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:20,639 irons and other things you can do other than just you know, being on 496 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,519 the driving range and hit ball after ball after ball, How far, how 497 00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:25,639 straight can I hit it? What other things can I do to take my 498 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:30,159 game to the next level. Well, when it comes when it comes to 499 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:35,639 a club more than a six iron, when it comes to five, four, 500 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:40,559 three two, possibly one, the first thing I say is take those 501 00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:45,480 clubs and throw them in the garbage and go get yourself some rescue clubs that 502 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:52,559 have the same numbers, because it's a different world. Getting a three iron 503 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:57,239 two iron up in the air high enough to worry when it comes down on 504 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,320 the green it's going to stay is really difficult. It takes a lot of 505 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:06,280 strength, and it's a much harder club to hit than if you get a 506 00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:14,039 three rescue or two rescue or whatever those kinds of shots are. It's hard 507 00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:16,960 to have a lot of shots with a long iron, you know, but 508 00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:20,960 you can. You can do a little bit more with the rescue club. 509 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,119 The width of the bottom of the club, you can get it out of 510 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:30,679 higher grass. You can't do that with a with a hozzled club like a 511 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,320 two hour and a three arm and there's no way. But that's why the 512 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,719 pros in the pass when they got the ball and heavy rough, they had 513 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,440 to use their forward or five wood. But now that these rescue clubs are 514 00:38:40,519 --> 00:38:49,039 just unbelievable. But there's not much you could do with those kinds of shots. 515 00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:52,159 There's two hundred yard shots or one hundred eight yard shots, depending on 516 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,000 how far you hit a ball. But for me, I hit my three 517 00:38:55,119 --> 00:39:02,480 rescue about two hundred yards sometimes too, but that number two is what I'm 518 00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:07,239 selecting because I always leave a little bit, a little bit for error. 519 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,719 But there's not much you can do with them. Mean, hopefully you can. 520 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,960 You don't have too many of those shots per around, really, because 521 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,840 it would make a long day, Yes it would. I'm just curious. 522 00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:25,119 Are you playing tailor made clubs? No? Actually, uh, somebody turned 523 00:39:25,159 --> 00:39:32,559 me onto it's club called Xxio. It's it's a Japanese brand carried by shricks 524 00:39:32,679 --> 00:39:37,119 On and they're expensive as hell, I will tell you that, but they're 525 00:39:37,159 --> 00:39:43,320 the best clubs I've played in a long long time, especially the Restshue clubs, 526 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,639 the Driver and the Far. The three would three would has always been 527 00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:49,760 a tough club for me. Off of a tight line and these these clubs, 528 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,760 I don't know what it is about them, but it gets the ball 529 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,800 up in the air really easy. So I'm at that age. Anything I 530 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,920 can do to make it easier, I'll go for it. Right. No, 531 00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:01,960 the reason I was asking you is because I think that Taylor Made was 532 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,440 one of the first to bring out that club, and they called it a 533 00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:10,880 rescue club. I think that's a brand name, rescue, but they're actually 534 00:40:12,199 --> 00:40:17,360 referred to as hybrids. Is that what a hybrid is? Hybrid or like 535 00:40:19,159 --> 00:40:23,239 my xxios this is U four U five? Uh? You know, everybody 536 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:30,239 has her way, but that I like to because that really describes it to 537 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,199 me. When you put if I had to pull out a fore iron today, 538 00:40:34,559 --> 00:40:37,400 I would need to be rescued, believe me. Yeah, it's amazing 539 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,039 how it cuts through long grass like butter. On those clubs, it really 540 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:45,880 makes a huge difference. They put the CG on the golf club, son 541 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,760 of gravity on the golf club. On these new clubs, it just gets 542 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,400 that ball up in the air really easy. And you know that's what that's 543 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,599 what you fight. As you get older, you get slower, you get 544 00:40:54,679 --> 00:40:59,000 weaker, so the shots that you could get up in the air like Nicholas. 545 00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:01,400 You know they said that Nicholas could hit a one iron the heights of 546 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:06,880 an eight iron. Wow, what a huge badge that is. But it 547 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,480 takes tremendous strength to do that, right, So let's move on to the 548 00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:16,159 what used to be called fairway woods, and now they're called fairway drivers or 549 00:41:17,039 --> 00:41:23,119 uh fairway metals because nobody makes a wood anymore. What do you use? 550 00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:28,639 Use them for? How many? You know you carry two of them? 551 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,480 The advantage of having multiple ones and you know, what is the best thing 552 00:41:32,519 --> 00:41:37,039 we can do to again take our game to the next level with those clubs. 553 00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:43,039 Well, the faraways are very important because they put you on the par 554 00:41:43,199 --> 00:41:47,239 fives. They put you in a position to where you can hit a somewhat 555 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:53,320 easy third shot whords in your sweet spot area where you're let's say your wedge 556 00:41:53,440 --> 00:42:00,239 or dine iron. The furweys are important and a lot of times it's best 557 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:06,159 to use a fairwayo off the tee on a lot of holes. The distance 558 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:12,280 difference isn't that? Isn't that? Why? Now you know I have again 559 00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:15,679 with a lot of my players, I say, look, this hole doesn't 560 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,840 call for a drive. You don't need that distance. You can put the 561 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,880 ball in a position where you have a fairly easy shot and then you don't 562 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,280 run the risk of you know, hitting it in the trees or whatever. 563 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,800 But a lot of people are stuck on that driver. They pull that driver 564 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,639 out no matter what the distance of the hole, or no matter how narrow 565 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:37,119 it is. So the fairway woods can be used off the fairway, but 566 00:42:37,199 --> 00:42:42,000 they can also be used off the tee. And I wouldn't hit would I 567 00:42:42,039 --> 00:42:45,280 would be using my treewood most of the time when I was opted when I 568 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:46,440 said, okay, I'm not going to use my driver on this hole. 569 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:51,480 But there are times that I watch on the tour where the guys are using 570 00:42:51,679 --> 00:42:53,719 iron off the tee. Of course, they hit an iron a lot further 571 00:42:53,760 --> 00:43:00,159 than the average player. But the point is is that in managing yourself on 572 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,599 the golf course, you have to look at the hole and appraise, Okay, 573 00:43:04,639 --> 00:43:07,320 where do I want to hit it or do not want to hit it? 574 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:12,039 Okay? And then what's the what's the club I can use to get 575 00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:15,920 somewhere in that area? Because the woods are just to set the hole up. 576 00:43:16,639 --> 00:43:22,159 You're not going to drive the green. So twenty yards or whatever between 577 00:43:22,159 --> 00:43:27,360 the driver and the three wood. Isn't that that's significant? But unfortunately everything 578 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,679 is stressed today about distance and not shot making. I think a lot of 579 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:36,320 players, a lot of people that play the game, would be better off 580 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,039 not using their driver as much as they do and putting the ball in play 581 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:44,239 and then and then on the second chout on a par five. For a 582 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,840 lot of good players, they'd be much smarter to hit an iron up there 583 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:51,320 within you know, that sixty seventy yard range, and then throw that thing 584 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,039 up on the green. Even Sam Steed, who is a long driver in 585 00:43:55,159 --> 00:43:59,760 his day, said, if I can't hit a high lofted club on the 586 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,159 same I can shine on a dry on a par five, I'll hit an 587 00:44:04,159 --> 00:44:07,800 iron into my wedge area. That's the way you play the game. But 588 00:44:09,199 --> 00:44:15,239 we're seduced by not on a par five and two. You know, when 589 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,920 you're young enough to do it, and the ball's coming in too low. 590 00:44:19,679 --> 00:44:22,360 If it hits the green, it's going to go to the back of the 591 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,000 green. So you're going to be looking at a long putt, and now 592 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,719 you've got to try to two putt for that birdie. And if your three 593 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,039 putt it really demoralizes you. Where if you knock get up there with a 594 00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:35,719 wedge, you got a good chance to hit a ten to fifteen feet good 595 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,519 chance to make that putt. So it's just a different mindset and these are 596 00:44:39,559 --> 00:44:44,000 the things that you have to do to keep the round going mentally. You 597 00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:47,679 don't want a lot of up and downs emotionally, and you put yourself in 598 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:52,760 that position when you try to hit those. I hope I can get this 599 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,039 on in two. You know, that's where the ego gets involved, and 600 00:44:55,079 --> 00:45:06,079 that's what you got to liminate. I know that many times that if say 601 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,440 on a par five especially, you can really use strategy to your advantage here 602 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:16,079 because of that extra shot that you're given. So that if my drive on 603 00:45:16,199 --> 00:45:22,880 a par five is leaves me three hundred yards out, instead of trying to 604 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:29,519 pull out my fairway metal, my fore would and try to get it. 605 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,320 You know, listen, it's three hundred yards out, I'm not gonna be 606 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:36,039 able to reach it. But then I'm gonna leave myself a sixty yard shot, 607 00:45:36,199 --> 00:45:38,519 a forty yard shot. I'm not as comfortable with those. I'd rather 608 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:43,719 take my nine iron and hit it twice and get close to the pin. 609 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,280 In three, then try to get there in two and not and come up 610 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:52,360 short and then have that awkward distance in the middle there. Yeah, there's 611 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,880 no question about it. Those shots where you say the thirty and forty yard 612 00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,360 shots, those are really difficult shots, even pros. They're not easy shots. 613 00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:07,719 You're having a you know, not take a full swing. It becomes 614 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:12,159 a little bit more difficult. And those little tender wedges are tougher than heck. 615 00:46:12,679 --> 00:46:16,280 Yeah, so that you know, you just watch watch the good players 616 00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:22,320 play and you can go to see that their strategy is a lot different than 617 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,559 the average guy. The average guy swinging from his you know, from his 618 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,880 toes to hit as far as he can hit at every club, which is 619 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,800 you know, borer lines on being a little nuts. And the same thing 620 00:46:35,039 --> 00:46:39,440 that what you had talked about is using a fairway wood off the tee fairway 621 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:45,480 metal fairway driver off the tee on holes that either have narrow fairways or aren't 622 00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:51,119 as long. Again, I don't want to get too close and make it 623 00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:54,400 a difficult second shot. I want to be in the range of what I 624 00:46:54,599 --> 00:46:58,920 think is a good shot for me, like one and one hundred and twenty 625 00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:02,280 five yard shot, But I'm real confident with those, far more than I 626 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:06,599 am with a forty. So I'll take that fairway wood off the tee. 627 00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:12,800 Sure. And even if sometimes look even if sometimes it's a long hole, 628 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,880 but there's a lot of problems that the designer put on the hole. They 629 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,760 put in a lot of big fairway bunkers and are hard to get out of. 630 00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:23,519 They put they put water, they put out of bounds. Uh, 631 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:29,239 it's still sometimes even though it's still a long hole and you're not going to 632 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,719 be able to get on into. Uh, you've got to go ahead and 633 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:37,039 saw all that bitter pill and put that thing in play and then get hit 634 00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:39,119 another shot and keep it in play, and then trust your wedge, your 635 00:47:39,159 --> 00:47:42,679 putter. The worst thing is gonna happen. You're gonna walk away with a 636 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,360 bogie. But you're going to eliminate that big number by trying to stretch out 637 00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:52,599 because the hole is long without looking at the factors that are involved at that 638 00:47:52,199 --> 00:47:55,320 in the designer, you know, he set that up for you to come 639 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,239 on hit that driver body. That's what I want you to do. Uh. 640 00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:01,719 You know it's like a sucker pin, you know, to use your 641 00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,079 head when you play right, you know what we call that, Tony, 642 00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:12,199 what's that? Golf smarter? Golf smarter. That's exactly right, that's true. 643 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,559 I mean I think I think there's a hole in the Masters that Hogan 644 00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:20,400 always purposely hit to the right of the hole or right of the green, 645 00:48:20,559 --> 00:48:23,159 just on the fringe and then chipped up and punted. And they always said, 646 00:48:23,199 --> 00:48:27,400 why do you do this? Because this hole if you if you hit 647 00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,599 the wrong side of the green, it's going to kick right into the water. 648 00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:34,440 So even the great Hogan, who really mastered hitting the ball, he 649 00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:39,239 had a strategy sometimes where he swallowed that bitter pill because he wanted to he 650 00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:44,719 wanted to eliminate the big number. And and you you got to do that 651 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,840 when you play the game, and it's like a chess game, it's not 652 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:51,679 all about four. Sometimes you have to have a little finesse. Yeah, 653 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:57,239 let's wrap it up with the driver, and I'll start with that one I 654 00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,719 have. I don't like to just walk onto a golf course and tee off. 655 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:07,599 I really need in my mind, my metal preparation. I need an 656 00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:12,760 hour to hit balls, to practice short game, A bunch of shots in 657 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,960 the short game, very few shots with a driver, very few shots with 658 00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:21,440 my long my fairway metal. But I'll spend a lot more time on short 659 00:49:21,519 --> 00:49:24,960 game stuff when I'm warming up. But when I do take out the driver, 660 00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:30,239 instead of taking full swings with it, I'll try to swing so easy 661 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:35,039 that I only hit it one hundred yards or one hundred and fifty, but 662 00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,960 try to you know, at a specific target, right at it, and 663 00:49:38,039 --> 00:49:43,639 that allows me to get a rhythm going and put the ball, you know, 664 00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,760 a short distance and feel more confident about taking a big swing after that. 665 00:49:47,519 --> 00:49:52,039 What would you advise on driver for you know, again for your warm 666 00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:55,800 up session or your practice session. That's going to help your game keep the 667 00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:00,639 ball in the fairway. So critical with the driver? Well, you know 668 00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:05,239 the old saying, I want to swing fast, but not hard. Uh 669 00:50:05,639 --> 00:50:10,199 with the driver. The driver is a is a wonderful club, and it's 670 00:50:10,679 --> 00:50:14,800 it's and used properly, it's a great tool, but it can be your 671 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:22,000 worst enemy if you're if you're thinking about distance. Lee Trevino once was talking 672 00:50:22,039 --> 00:50:25,199 about playing with Nicholas and how far Nicholas hit it compared to everybody else, 673 00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,079 and he says, so when I played with Nicholas, I would try to 674 00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,679 try to hit the ball two hundred and thirty yards off the tee. And 675 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:36,320 when I did that, I hit it about two seventy's and I tried to 676 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,239 hit it too seventy. I hit it to thirty. And you know, 677 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:44,599 that's just such great wisdom, because that's that's so much the truth. How 678 00:50:44,639 --> 00:50:46,800 many times have we got up on a par five and it's a long one, 679 00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,880 so we're going to give it that extra and we we throw it from 680 00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:52,880 the top and we get a little steep with it, we pop it straight 681 00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:57,000 up in the air like a wedge, or we hit a way right or 682 00:50:57,079 --> 00:51:01,119 way left. There's a speed that you have to get used to with the 683 00:51:01,199 --> 00:51:07,239 driver, and a lot of it has to do with defocusing on the ball, 684 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:12,320 defocusing on any thought of hitting and swinging from point A to point B 685 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,480 in a rhythm that you can keep your balance. If you do that with 686 00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:16,840 the driver, you're going to keep the ball in play most of the time. 687 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:21,480 But most people, you watch them, and they'll swing the driver a 688 00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:24,840 lot harder than they do any club in their bag. That's the problem with 689 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:30,800 the driver, because again the emphasis is always on distance instead of direction and 690 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:36,239 placement. That to me, the driver is the placement it sets the hole 691 00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,719 up for the next shot. It's not I'm going to hit it into infinity 692 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:45,239 because well, no one does that. And you know, then you see 693 00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:51,280 Rory McElroy or some of these guys that hit it pretty close to four hundred 694 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,639 yards and you know we can't wait to get to the tee to do that. 695 00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:59,800 Well, no, you're not in their category and never will be. 696 00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,559 You know, you have to play the game based on your game and not 697 00:52:02,679 --> 00:52:09,239 anybody else's. And I highly recommend for anyone listening there, find the speed 698 00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:14,960 that you can finish perfectly and hold your fallow through position where you're in balance. 699 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:19,360 That's the speed you should swing the driver, and the better you get 700 00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,000 and you can make it go a little faster but still be unbalanced. But 701 00:52:22,039 --> 00:52:27,800 if you're falling all over the place, you're swinging too hard. Phenomenal tip. 702 00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,599 That is such a fabulous piece of advice. Oh my god, I'm 703 00:52:30,639 --> 00:52:35,920 so happy with that. Thank you. That's great. I got to end 704 00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,320 here with a quick anecdote about my round yesterday. I was playing with these 705 00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:44,320 three guys that are actually around the same age as my younger son, and 706 00:52:44,639 --> 00:52:49,320 one of them my son wrestled in high school for four years, and one 707 00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:54,199 of the guys that I was playing with wrestled against my son's team, and 708 00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:59,840 so he knew of And so because I knew that the kid wrestled, it 709 00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:05,320 allowed me to communicate with him in a better level. But what I noticed 710 00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:10,760 in the first three holes four holes, he had absolutely no hip turn on 711 00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:17,159 his swing, and his address position was pretty much kind of slouchy, shoulders 712 00:53:17,199 --> 00:53:21,920 stand straight up, So he really wasn't in a ready position, and he 713 00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:24,639 wasn't doing anything, and he couldn't get the ball off the ground. He 714 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:29,239 was rolling it, he was duffing it, he was missing it left and 715 00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:35,679 right. So I do not give advice at swing advice on a golf course, 716 00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,119 I don't do that. And sometimes if I have an observation that might 717 00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:42,840 help on a mental part or a strategic part, I'll do that, but 718 00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,000 I'll stay away from swing mechanics, especially during a round. But I said 719 00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:51,199 to the guy when I found out that he wrestled, I said, where 720 00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:55,000 do you get Where do you get all your power when you wrestle? And 721 00:53:55,119 --> 00:54:00,679 he said in your hips? And I went uh huh, And he kind 722 00:54:00,679 --> 00:54:04,000 of looked at me, and I said, you don't turn your hips when 723 00:54:04,039 --> 00:54:07,440 you're when you're hitting the golf ball, and he went, oh, my 724 00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,320 right. I said, what's your ready position when you when you're wrestling And 725 00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:15,519 he immediately got into this very athletic position and you know, like looking right 726 00:54:15,559 --> 00:54:17,039 at me, and I'm going, uh huh, look at the way your 727 00:54:17,079 --> 00:54:23,119 position when you you you start off the tee. And that point on he 728 00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:27,639 played the best golf of his life and broke a hundred for one of the 729 00:54:28,039 --> 00:54:31,679 I mean the second or third time in his life. He was very and 730 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,199 even thanked me at the end of the round. He says, that made 731 00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:39,480 that one tip about my hips made all the difference for me. So you 732 00:54:39,559 --> 00:54:45,559 did something there that that good teachers are able to do. You got him 733 00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:50,159 to relate to something that he could that he does, so that he could 734 00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,840 it wasn't foreign to him. Uh. And that's it. That was That 735 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:58,239 was great. That was very astudent on your part, because a lot of 736 00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:02,159 people teach, but they're more than they're more pontificating than teaching. Uh. 737 00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:07,679 And you made him relate to something that he does in a different sport but 738 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:12,079 was germane to the sport he was playing. So that was great, great 739 00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,920 great stuff. You know, I played with a lot of fellows that I 740 00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:21,039 teach, uh and when we're out there playing, you know, they're they're 741 00:55:21,159 --> 00:55:23,679 trying to show me how good they're doing and so forth. And I understand 742 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:28,239 all that because what I've played with touring pros, I did the same darn 743 00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:34,320 thing. But I try to stay away from quick tips other than to say 744 00:55:35,039 --> 00:55:36,960 you might want to slow it down a little bit, or you might, 745 00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:38,760 you know, you might want to wind your stance a bit. But I 746 00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:45,760 don't get into too many swing tips because if if they overemphasize that, they're 747 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,400 going to fall apart at the seams, and then they're going to be looking 748 00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,480 at you as that you ruin my day. They're not going to say it, 749 00:55:50,519 --> 00:55:52,519 but they're going to feel it. So you have to be you have 750 00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:55,559 to be careful with tips on the golf, of course. But that was 751 00:55:55,639 --> 00:55:59,280 real smart on your part. Well, thank you. I was actually fishing 752 00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:04,320 for the compliment. I appreciate that that was because you got him to equate 753 00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,400 to something else, but something that he's comfortable doing. So that's great stuff. 754 00:56:07,559 --> 00:56:09,719 Yeah. Well, the first teacher that I ever had in golf, 755 00:56:10,639 --> 00:56:14,400 his first question, and this was huge for me. He says, first 756 00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,760 question was what sports did you play as a kid? And from that point 757 00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:22,199 on he just made me. You know, he put it in those terms, 758 00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:24,920 you know, of what sports that I played and how I can translate 759 00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:29,960 that into improving in my golf. And I always thought that was an incredibly 760 00:56:30,039 --> 00:56:35,039 valuable tool because all I did was ask the kid a question. He fixed 761 00:56:35,039 --> 00:56:39,079 it himself once he realized what it meant in relation to his golf game. 762 00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:44,039 I didn't do a thing. I just made an observation to him. Yeah. 763 00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,159 Yeah, Well, I'll just tell you a real quick story. One 764 00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,920 time I was inside the pro shop. I was watching the guy in the 765 00:56:51,039 --> 00:56:53,719 range and he pull up his beautiful set of Callowey clubs, beautiful bag. 766 00:56:54,679 --> 00:56:58,639 I mean, he had invested a lot in product. He gets up there 767 00:56:58,679 --> 00:57:02,360 and watch him and a pretty strong looking guy, and he was slicing everything, 768 00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:07,000 I mean, just sad. And I kept watching him, so I 769 00:57:07,159 --> 00:57:08,559 thought I can't handle it anymore. So I went out and I said, 770 00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,280 let me ask you something. Have you ever played baseball? He said, 771 00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,679 yeah, I was a really good baseball player. I says, just take 772 00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:20,840 a club and imagine that you're hitting a low pitch how would you how would 773 00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,519 you hit a low pitch? And you know, he swung with a kind 774 00:57:23,559 --> 00:57:29,039 of a baseball action, released his hands, released the clubhead, and I 775 00:57:29,039 --> 00:57:30,159 said, yeah, that's that's pretty good. I said, now, why 776 00:57:30,199 --> 00:57:32,920 don't you treat that golf ball like it's a low pitch. Just go ahead 777 00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:37,559 and take a good baseball cut at And of course he had a ball there 778 00:57:37,719 --> 00:57:39,480 with a little bit of a draw, and he looked at me like, 779 00:57:40,039 --> 00:57:45,400 you know, like God has spoken to him. So he little by little 780 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:50,559 by little, you can see he was now using He was swinging the club 781 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:57,079 in an emotion that he was familiar with. And that's really as a boy 782 00:57:57,159 --> 00:58:00,360 when I first caddied, I caddied so I could make enough money to buy 783 00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:05,079 clothes for school, and I could play baseball pretty good as a young kid. 784 00:58:05,199 --> 00:58:07,280 Like a lot of young kids, we all played baseball. And that's 785 00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:12,599 what I's those were my first thoughts. She had a golf ball, was 786 00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,480 just to hit the back of that ball with a baseball with a kind of 787 00:58:15,559 --> 00:58:17,639 a baseball action, and I could clomberate the thing right off the bat. 788 00:58:17,719 --> 00:58:22,960 I never I never sliced the ball when I started playing, because I equated 789 00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:27,480 more to baseball. Now, if I had been given some formal lessons, 790 00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,440 I'm sure I would have sliced the heck out of the ball. So sometimes 791 00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:37,800 sometimes those are the best lessons when you when you can open up a guy's 792 00:58:37,159 --> 00:58:42,480 or a gal's mind to something that they've done in their past when it comes 793 00:58:42,519 --> 00:58:45,800 to hitting a golf ball, especially women. Gosh, I teach a lot 794 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,760 of women, and I talked about it. Have you ever played baseball? 795 00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:54,679 Have you played tennis? And then we try to use a similar stroke and 796 00:58:54,719 --> 00:58:59,960 it works like magic. Well, Tony, I don't want to say, 797 00:59:00,159 --> 00:59:04,840 I don't want to equate you with God, but there's something God like. 798 00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,480 Now let me finish my sentence, my friend, there is something God like 799 00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:14,760 about great teachers, and you are a great teacher. And I really appreciate 800 00:59:15,039 --> 00:59:19,400 you spending so much time with me. Every time I call. Thank you. 801 00:59:20,519 --> 00:59:24,039 Well. I listen. I love your show and I know that the 802 00:59:24,199 --> 00:59:29,760 listeners to your podcast love your show, and to be a small part of 803 00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:30,800 it is really an honor for me. Believe me,