1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:06,599 If you have a hundred percent conviction that you know you're going to pull off 2 00:00:06,599 --> 00:00:09,160 that shot, you have the green light by all means, go ahead and 3 00:00:09,199 --> 00:00:13,560 pull that trigger. But if there is any ounce of endecision whatsoever, you 4 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:17,760 need to fall back to what your true shot pattern is and plan accordingly based 5 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,879 on that. And again we talk about green light, yello light, red 6 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,000 light as well, and so those are our factors too when it comes to, 7 00:00:24,199 --> 00:00:28,120 okay, what club choice or club selection or shot or type of shot 8 00:00:28,199 --> 00:00:31,079 that you should play. You know, one of the things we also talk 9 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:35,079 about in the book is what are the true things that you can control as 10 00:00:35,119 --> 00:00:39,280 far as internal versus external, And those are all factors too. You have 11 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,520 to take in consideration all the things that are internally driven as well. We 12 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:48,200 detail that all in the chapter the Moment of Truth playing around and it's super 13 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:52,039 super helpful when it comes to actually choosing the right shot. This is their 14 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:56,640 tea box from northwardtoin Hills, Texas. I play at wins Star Golf Club, 15 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:03,200 Zachervilla, Oklahoma. This is FLF water number nine, How to Get 16 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,159 in the Zone at the Flip of a Switch with authors Bo Watson and Shannon 17 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:14,400 Shusky. This is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from great 18 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:19,719 golf minds to help you lower your score and raise your golf IQ. Here's 19 00:01:19,719 --> 00:01:23,120 your host, Fred Green. Oh, we got a two for today, 20 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,680 so I'm gonna start by saying, welcome back to the Golf Swarter podcast. 21 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,319 Shannon, Hey, it's great to be on. Thanks for having me, 22 00:01:30,599 --> 00:01:36,319 Sure and your partner in crime and writing, Bau Watson School of Lifetime Low 23 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,560 Rounds. Bo, It's great to talk to you again. How are you 24 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:42,159 same here? Fred? Looking forward to it. So, you guys wrote 25 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:49,239 a book together that is fascinating. I'm enjoying it. In the zone Secrets, 26 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:55,200 which is a great concept, and in all the podcast interviews that I've 27 00:01:55,239 --> 00:02:00,000 done and really focus on the mental part of golf, you guys have figured 28 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:06,959 out how just it feels like you synthesized everything that I've ever read or talked 29 00:02:06,959 --> 00:02:15,960 about or written for the podcast and made it accessible in ways that others have 30 00:02:15,199 --> 00:02:20,840 tried but not succeeded. I'm really enjoying the book. Congratulations. Thank you 31 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:25,479 means yeah. So we're going to talk about various parts of this book, 32 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:30,719 but Bo, tell me what the motivation was and why you're taking this approach 33 00:02:30,719 --> 00:02:36,159 on it. You know, I was thinking about that just the other day, 34 00:02:36,159 --> 00:02:40,919 Fred, and you know, it's it's actually it's an amazing journey and 35 00:02:42,039 --> 00:02:45,719 just really fast. Like when when I got into this game, I fell 36 00:02:45,759 --> 00:02:47,319 in love. From the very beginning, I had a dream to play on 37 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,439 a PGA tour, had a lot of success in junior golf, and what 38 00:02:51,599 --> 00:02:55,919 was so fascinating was in high school things went south. And the reason why 39 00:02:55,919 --> 00:03:00,199 it went south was because I got so caught up in you know, the 40 00:03:00,199 --> 00:03:02,680 perfect swing and the search for it and trying all the latest tips and all 41 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:08,479 these things, and unfortunately, none of it really helped because they weren't they 42 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:13,080 weren't pertaining to me, and I didn't have that filter, and so I 43 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,400 originally thought it was the mental side of the game. And so as a 44 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:19,520 result, I go down this path and I started consuming all the mental stuff 45 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,840 and none of that helped. And then, as you may have known from 46 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:28,560 the previous podcast that we've done, unfortunately I stepped away from the game back 47 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,000 in twenty sixteen, shut down my golf school, everything, and it wasn't 48 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:38,759 until I met Shannon when we finally discovered this process. We call psychodamuscatraining, 49 00:03:38,759 --> 00:03:40,280 which is teaching golfers how to get into the zone out a flip of the 50 00:03:40,319 --> 00:03:46,039 switch that everything changed for me personally. It literally brought me out of retirement, 51 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,800 so to speak. And you know, it's been a fun journey ever 52 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,199 since. But the reason why I was just thinking about this the other day, 53 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:57,199 really, the reason why we wrote this book is it's kind of like 54 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,360 I wish I had somebody when I was a junior golfer back in high school. 55 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,240 I wish they would have just given me this book because it really would 56 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:25,120 have changed things for me personally and also in my game. Hmmm, that's 57 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:30,600 a great question. I would say, if we're talking about are we talking 58 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,360 about in the game? Are we talking about outside the game? Life? 59 00:04:32,399 --> 00:04:35,199 And John I want to talk about them? Oh wow, that's really broad. 60 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:40,600 No, let's let's keep it to the mental part of golf. You 61 00:04:40,639 --> 00:04:43,360 know it when it comes to the mental side of the game. There are 62 00:04:43,399 --> 00:04:46,000 a lot of authors in the space that I really respect, and I'll just 63 00:04:46,079 --> 00:04:49,519 name a few of them, like doctor Brett McCabe. You know, one 64 00:04:49,519 --> 00:04:56,240 of the classic Barbara Tella. I forget the author's name that wrote the Journey 65 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,920 and what was it called Links of Utopia Golf Sick Journey. That was a 66 00:05:00,959 --> 00:05:04,240 fantastic read, and I mean there's several others, but when it came to 67 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:10,920 the writing of this book, I don't really know if there's really any inspiration 68 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,120 that we've got because if you really take a deep look at our book, 69 00:05:14,199 --> 00:05:16,519 especially when you get into the heart of psych and musket training, and then 70 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,959 even in the later part of the book, there's nothing like it out there 71 00:05:21,079 --> 00:05:25,560 right now when you really go through all the mental books and I've read, 72 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:30,279 I would imagine over ninety percent of all mental books into golf space, mainly 73 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,480 because of the search back in high school, but also over the last few 74 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,639 years. You know, we're always learning, always growing. And again, 75 00:05:36,959 --> 00:05:41,199 if you ask any of our readers, especially when the ones that have gone 76 00:05:41,199 --> 00:05:45,040 through the entire book, even our tour players, they are very well versed, 77 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,399 very well educated, and they will tell you this stuff is not in 78 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:57,000 print anywhere else. Interesting And Shannon, how much time have you spent fine 79 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:01,240 tuning the mental part of your game? Well, I mean that's where I 80 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:09,040 had a huge disconnect because of when I say disconnect, I grew up playing 81 00:06:09,079 --> 00:06:14,120 soccer and then oh when I came out of college, I started speed skating. 82 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,920 So those two activities are a disconnect already. Yeah, soccer to speed 83 00:06:17,959 --> 00:06:21,079 skating. Well yeah, well, I mean I always, you know, 84 00:06:21,399 --> 00:06:26,120 as a kid growing up, I went to the rink and skated and stuff 85 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:30,000 like that. So then I want when I wanted to get into competing after 86 00:06:30,079 --> 00:06:33,959 college, my disconnect was my start was not that fast. But on the 87 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:38,879 soccer field, I was pretty fast. I was one of the fastest guys 88 00:06:38,959 --> 00:06:44,199 on the team, for example. But then when it comes to my speed 89 00:06:44,199 --> 00:06:48,399 skating. Now, now granted we had twenty two national champions own our speed 90 00:06:48,439 --> 00:06:53,720 skating team, so remember we're going starts. Now, that's perspective, age 91 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,480 levels, and you know, stuff like that too. So still that it 92 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,959 sounds like a lot, which it is a lot, and was. It 93 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:03,040 is a huge feed that had was a phenomenal team. But the reason why 94 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:10,519 I say that is because they were the who's who in their their you know, 95 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:15,759 their age group. But then when we're doing starts, I'm getting last 96 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,920 off the line all the time. And then even at METS, I'm I 97 00:07:18,959 --> 00:07:23,279 just didn't have that great of a start. But then when we're playing around 98 00:07:23,279 --> 00:07:27,480 and I got my shoes on, and where we were just doing sprints across 99 00:07:27,519 --> 00:07:30,199 the floor. I'm beating everybody hands down, like it was fairly easy. 100 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,319 So there, I knew that there was a disconnect, so I had to 101 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:38,639 That's when I started doing research. I mean, this had been twenty years 102 00:07:38,639 --> 00:07:42,639 ago on the mental side, and it's just growing and growing and growing. 103 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,319 And then you know, it just reminds me I have to practice what I 104 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,160 preach too. On top of that, yeah, right, exactly, I 105 00:07:49,199 --> 00:07:54,879 still compete on the on the bike. I do criterion racing and stuff like 106 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:59,720 that as well, So I have to practice what I preached, because I 107 00:07:59,759 --> 00:08:03,600 mean, everything's a mental game. If you know, you've heard all the 108 00:08:03,439 --> 00:08:07,959 especially be on this podcast. You've heard so many things. You know, 109 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:11,000 is it ninety percent mental, ten percent physical? Is it seventy five percent 110 00:08:11,079 --> 00:08:16,360 mental twenty five percent physical? Well, it really depends on the person, 111 00:08:16,439 --> 00:08:20,839 on their level of anxiety, where they're at. But then you know, 112 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,199 on the other hand, you know, why are we spending one hundred percent 113 00:08:24,279 --> 00:08:28,040 of the time on only ten percent twenty five percent of the game? You 114 00:08:28,079 --> 00:08:31,440 know, And then but then the practical side of it, how do you 115 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,679 apply it? How do you do it? You know, and so that 116 00:08:35,759 --> 00:08:39,159 was that was my biggest thing, is I That's why we called it secret 117 00:08:39,279 --> 00:08:43,879 is because a lot of the books you know that we that we've read, 118 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:48,919 the practical application of it doesn't go into great depth. It's kind of like, 119 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,600 Okay, here's how you do it and stuff, and we wanted to 120 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,960 make it very simple for people to understand. I think you've achieved that. 121 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:03,080 Let me just say, though, twenty two national championships, that must be 122 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,440 an incredible coaching staff. Well at the time, it was, and we 123 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:16,879 only had one coach. But I will say this my background is because I 124 00:09:16,919 --> 00:09:22,279 started getting into coaching, I've had one hundred and forty five national champions I've 125 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:28,399 had twenty World team members, eight World champions, and I've had I've coached 126 00:09:28,279 --> 00:09:33,039 two Olympians and one girl she just retired, but she actually got a bronze 127 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:37,879 medal in the Olympics. So I mean, it's just congratulations. I've just 128 00:09:37,919 --> 00:09:43,320 been fortunate where I've had. I've had phenomenal athletes and then on top of 129 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:48,960 that, elite elite athletes. Yeah, I mean the world's elite. That's 130 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:54,279 really a remarkable stretch. And by the way, it's ninety percent mental and 131 00:09:54,360 --> 00:10:01,519 ten percent mental. I was it no way around all right, nine percent 132 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,399 mental, one percent mechanics. Oh may work, but we spend most of 133 00:10:05,399 --> 00:10:09,799 the time on the mechanics, right, absolutely under Yeah, how did you 134 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:16,679 guys work together to decide what would be in the book and what wouldn't be 135 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,039 in the book? And actually that's a question that we're going to take after 136 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:24,519 this break. We'll get back to it with Shannon Shusky and Bo Watson right 137 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:33,519 after this. Yeah, let's pick that up again, and let's pick apart 138 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,399 the book what you included, because it's not a thin one. There's a 139 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,679 lot of content, a lot of dense content in there, but it's really 140 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,360 I've been reading it like word for word as opposed to glancing over it because 141 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:52,559 the content is so rich and so strong. Highly recommend this book. Congratulations. 142 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:58,679 But how did you guys approach this together on and how it worked out? 143 00:11:00,039 --> 00:11:03,720 And you want to start? Yeah, we we actually had a course 144 00:11:03,759 --> 00:11:09,120 that we did for our clients and we wanted to make a practical application for 145 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:15,759 everybody as well, and then so we basically broke down the course and then 146 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:20,600 we knew this too. We found because because of writing a book, we 147 00:11:20,639 --> 00:11:24,440 had to make sure that our research was correct and everything, you know, 148 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,840 and then we're going back and we're going through all these different case studies, 149 00:11:28,879 --> 00:11:31,559 and then we're like, oh my god, there's so much new stuff that's 150 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,799 out there as well. Top of it. Man, I need to become, 151 00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:41,279 you know, And so we're learning in even more stuff of what we 152 00:11:41,279 --> 00:11:46,240 were actually already teaching and then combining it together. So it's the way I 153 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,200 like to put it is like the mental game is a jigsaw puzzle, and 154 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,879 we've figured out a lot of ways to be able to put it together where 155 00:11:54,919 --> 00:12:00,440 it creates a great picture for someone actually to perform at their their highest level. 156 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,559 And Bow, what is your perspective? Feel like this is a couple's 157 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:09,360 therapy, bo, what is your perspective on your approach to this? I 158 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,639 love it. Yeah, that's hilarious. Yeah, we're pretty much like a 159 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:18,679 couple in the business side of the Yeah. You know, it's so fun, 160 00:12:18,919 --> 00:12:22,960 you know, because you know when it comes to like questions and answers, 161 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,080 I mean, it's verbatim about what I would say. But one thing 162 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:30,840 I would add to what Shannon shared is like, we're on a mission to 163 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,639 help one hundred thousand golfers or more to shoot their new lifetime low rounds over 164 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,080 the next few years. And one of the biggest ways that we're going to 165 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,519 unlock that is by the writing of this first book that we're going to publish. 166 00:12:39,919 --> 00:12:46,440 We feel so strongly, like I told this possibly off air, but 167 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,240 I want to share here. We have four books that are going to be 168 00:12:50,279 --> 00:12:52,279 coming in the series. It's In his Own Secrets, and then it's Consistent 169 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:56,159 Golf Secrets, and it's going to be College Golf Secrets and Rode to the 170 00:12:56,159 --> 00:13:01,759 Tour Secrets. But we feel so strongly about this first book over the Consistent 171 00:13:01,799 --> 00:13:07,519 Golf Secrets book, which is eighty percent written and completed, that we know 172 00:13:07,639 --> 00:13:11,960 this is what's going to unlock it much faster for golfers. And we know 173 00:13:11,159 --> 00:13:16,559 that this is going to be the key because we're a firm believer in really 174 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:20,639 when it comes to people getting better in their games, it's like Shannon shared, 175 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:26,000 people are going about it by focusing on technique, but the reality is 176 00:13:26,039 --> 00:13:28,679 when you look at the best players in the world, and this is something 177 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,440 that has been so fascinating over the last few years when we've been doing this 178 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:33,879 research. If you go back to a guy named Alex Morrison. He was 179 00:13:33,919 --> 00:13:39,240 the godfather of what's called mental imagery. And when you go back and you 180 00:13:39,279 --> 00:13:43,960 look at what this guy accomplished, there are people that I'll just I'll bring 181 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,600 it full circle. But he was the first person that wrote the book Better 182 00:13:46,639 --> 00:13:50,600 Golf Without Practice in nineteen forty. Now, he was also the first guy 183 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:56,240 that was able to study high speed pictures or video of the swing, so 184 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:01,639 to speak. But what's so fascinating about him is that Henry Pickard, who 185 00:14:01,759 --> 00:14:07,600 also worked with Ben Hogan and Sam Snead, He was a direct disciple of 186 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,120 Alex Morrison. Now, isn't it interesting that Sam Snead and Ben Hogan are 187 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:15,080 two of the absolute best when people look at as a model for the swing 188 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,399 or just in general. Sam Snead who won all the He's right now title 189 00:14:18,399 --> 00:14:22,399 with Tiger with the most PJA Tour wins in history. But let's let's take 190 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:26,639 it one step further. Jack Nicholas has been famous for saying a lot of 191 00:14:26,639 --> 00:14:30,039 mental quotes over the years and stuff. But who was his first coach was 192 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,919 Jack Grout? Well? Who did Jack Grout learn his stuff from? It 193 00:14:35,039 --> 00:14:37,519 was Alex Morrison. Now, let's go to the LPGA side of things. 194 00:14:39,159 --> 00:14:41,320 Mickey Wright, who is Hall of Fame worthy, one of the top three 195 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:46,799 best all time. On the LPGA side of things, her coach Harry Presler. 196 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:52,679 Who did Harry learn under it was Alex Morrison. So what's happened over 197 00:14:52,679 --> 00:14:56,799 the last few years is people have gone away from one of the biggest things 198 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:01,080 that most people do. And I'll share this because I'm a big fan of 199 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,679 Barbara Tella and I respect a lot of his work. But when you look 200 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,720 at his book The Golfer's Mind, in chapter two of that book, he 201 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:11,360 details a very interesting story of how he got to where he is today. 202 00:15:11,399 --> 00:15:16,320 And it was because Sam Snead stood up at a conference that he was given 203 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,600 and Sam basically said, we need to listen to this young man, because 204 00:15:20,639 --> 00:15:22,919 Barbara tell is young at the time. And the reason why he said that 205 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,720 it was because Sam said, I used to go to bed in my best 206 00:15:26,799 --> 00:15:31,320 years of playing, I would go to bed and visualize the perfect round before 207 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,960 it even happened the next day, and I'd wake up feeling great and it 208 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,840 would unfold almost like I saw it before I went to sleep. And what's 209 00:15:39,879 --> 00:15:45,799 so fascinating is Sam got that from Henry who also got that from Alex Morrison. 210 00:15:45,799 --> 00:15:50,639 Wow. And a fast forward in another one of his books, Barbara 211 00:15:50,639 --> 00:15:54,200 Teller and now I love Barbara Tella's Why he Tells Things is phenomenal. But 212 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,519 he shared another example of Sam Snead that one of the things that Sam used 213 00:15:58,519 --> 00:16:06,000 to do, he would go back and fix the bad shots using mental imagery. 214 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:08,720 And so that's one of the things that we teach in the book about 215 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,639 you know, we get in these negative habit loops and a lot of times 216 00:16:11,679 --> 00:16:18,240 it's a great example. Were working with one of our tour players and what 217 00:16:18,399 --> 00:16:22,039 happened was, as we know, a lot of times, they'll practice for 218 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:23,879 three days, you know, and then they actually play in the tournament. 219 00:16:25,519 --> 00:16:30,639 Well, come to find out she has a blow up pole in one of 220 00:16:30,639 --> 00:16:33,320 the blow up poles and then turned and then after the round I was talking 221 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:37,240 to her it come to find out she had hit the same exact shot for 222 00:16:37,279 --> 00:16:41,879 the past four or five days in a row. Oh my, And I 223 00:16:41,919 --> 00:16:45,240 said, all right, I can let's fix that. We did the Sam 224 00:16:45,279 --> 00:16:48,120 Snead approach. Let's go back and fix it you using mental imagery. And 225 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:52,240 she did, and the next day she birdied that ole, not just that 226 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:56,960 she actually had one of her best rounds and got back to eleven ounthers. 227 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:02,879 So that was that was phenomenal, great story bo you were going to keep 228 00:17:02,879 --> 00:17:06,960 going, Yeah, to bring it full circle. When it comes to the 229 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,960 inspiration behind this book, what we're trying to do is go back to the 230 00:17:10,039 --> 00:17:14,440 roots of what really made great players great. And what's been said over the 231 00:17:14,519 --> 00:17:18,359 last few years is people have been going so into the full swing. And 232 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,240 I'm not kno going to full swing. I come from a background of some 233 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:26,599 amazing gifted coaches in the game, and you know when it comes to morad, 234 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,160 when it comes to stack and tilt, and you know when it comes 235 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,279 to the golf machine. All that I've come from some really great trees of 236 00:17:33,319 --> 00:17:37,480 knowledge, so to speak, and it has its place. But what happens 237 00:17:37,559 --> 00:17:41,160 is, or I should say, what has happened in this game has been 238 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:45,279 so many people have been called up in the search for the perfect swing that 239 00:17:45,279 --> 00:17:48,200 they forget what's the most important thing, and that is your brain is what 240 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:53,160 controls your muscles, which actually makes the swing. And so one of the 241 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,279 things in our book that we actually show is how we can use what's called 242 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:03,200 kinesthetic mental imagery to actually accelerate swing changes. And that's first and foremost, 243 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,640 and there are studies that we we share in the book that actually back that 244 00:18:06,759 --> 00:18:08,559 up. And we've actually seen case studies of our own players, Like we 245 00:18:08,599 --> 00:18:12,039 got numerous case studies of players that have gone through a program that have gained 246 00:18:12,039 --> 00:18:15,640 twenty to twenty five yards on their drives and even through every club in a 247 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:22,480 bag without us even seeing their really keep going, yeah, what's the you 248 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,400 know. So we talk about this a lot on the show, and it's 249 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:32,440 like the difference between swing mechanics, working on your swing and playing golf. 250 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:36,039 There's a huge gap there, absolutely, right. He has so much of 251 00:18:36,079 --> 00:18:41,480 the focus on lessons and with teachers is swing mechanics and your grip and your 252 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:47,160 position, your you know, PGA position, grip and alignment, and then 253 00:18:47,279 --> 00:18:49,680 the mechanics of your hands and where are they in this and that. But 254 00:18:51,039 --> 00:18:55,359 that's not playing golf. There's a big difference, and so much of the 255 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,799 mental part that we're talking about what you're writing about, and there's stuff that 256 00:18:59,799 --> 00:19:04,119 I want to go in depth in on with you, is that mental aspect 257 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:08,240 of the game of that that gets in the way that that holds back our 258 00:19:08,279 --> 00:19:12,599 performance. I underfer said, you know, I'm gonna go back to Alex 259 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:18,079 morri Central for sure, you know again a guy that Henry Pickard said he 260 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,880 had. Henry Pickard said he had one of the absolute best wings he's ever 261 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,720 seen in person. Now saying something okay, but at the same time, 262 00:19:25,799 --> 00:19:30,960 one of the things that Alex shared in his book that really got I guess 263 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:36,000 you would say one of the biggest success stories that he accomplished was he he 264 00:19:36,079 --> 00:19:41,559 believed in sitting people down and having them rehearse what he called five swing keys 265 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,640 or five Morrison swing keys. And I'll give you a perfect example. It 266 00:19:45,759 --> 00:19:51,559 was comedian lou Lare had never broken ninety before ever in his life, been 267 00:19:51,559 --> 00:19:53,599 playing a game for a long time. And what was so fascinating is he 268 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,960 gave an example of how he sat him down for two weeks in his chair, 269 00:19:59,319 --> 00:20:03,359 had him rehear the five Morrison swing keys. So he's doing nothing but 270 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,640 mental imagery. The next round he goes out and plays, he shoots I 271 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,839 think it was like eighty seven or something like that. And he did all 272 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,920 that without working on a swing physically. He did it all just through mental 273 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:18,599 imagery. Well taken and accepted. Shannon, you had a response to that. 274 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,160 Yeah, I mean, well, if you look at the the LPGA 275 00:20:22,319 --> 00:20:26,880 or PGA, it's not the swing that wins the tournament, it's the player. 276 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,599 Good point, you know. And I'd even talk with a guy that's 277 00:20:30,599 --> 00:20:36,559 on is on my cycling team that I raced with, who actually played golf 278 00:20:37,039 --> 00:20:41,079 at the college that I went to and a small world. I didn't even 279 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:45,960 know that at the time, but he actually quit the game and it was 280 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:49,119 because of the mental aspect and I was like, oh my god, he 281 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:55,920 and he moved to a whole thing. And so the beautiful thing is about 282 00:20:56,039 --> 00:20:59,319 these it's not just one system. There's a lot of different things that we 283 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,880 put together. Is it that's in the book that really will help the golfer? 284 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:07,880 Over and over again, Like we've heard people say, you know, 285 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,960 I may have shot my worst round, but I enjoyed it the most. 286 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,440 It was you know what I'm saying. It's like I've never heard that, 287 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,160 but okay, yeah, yeah, the mind But the whole point was that 288 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:23,720 the mindset is there's a big shift there where they're not carrying the weight of 289 00:21:23,799 --> 00:21:29,440 every hole or a bad shot, and then what happens is you start watching 290 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,279 the score brought a little bit more, drop a little bit more, drop 291 00:21:32,279 --> 00:21:36,480 a little bit more, because they're joined the game, and that's a huge 292 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,319 thing. That's why like what those said. You know, I'm on board 293 00:21:38,319 --> 00:21:41,880 with him when it comes to one hundred thousand golfers. You know, let's 294 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,000 love the game. Well, listen, the person who said that you had 295 00:21:45,039 --> 00:21:49,079 the highest score, shut the highest round of their life and had the best 296 00:21:49,079 --> 00:21:55,440 time. My next question would be how much alcohol did you consume and who 297 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,200 were you with during that round. We're gonna find out that information in this 298 00:22:00,279 --> 00:22:11,559 commercial break, and we'll be running back after this consistent with what's going on 299 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,200 in this book. One of the lines that really jumped off the page, 300 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:23,839 off the kindle for me was golf is about progress, not perfection. I 301 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,880 absolutely love that line, and we'll be repeating it for a long time. 302 00:22:30,839 --> 00:22:33,359 Let's talk about where that came from, and then we're going to pick on 303 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,279 other parts of the book. I have a whole section that I just want 304 00:22:37,279 --> 00:22:41,440 to focus on one area of this one section and for the rest of our 305 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:47,880 time together, hopefully, but give me, give me some background on that 306 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:53,799 one bo Golf is about progress not perfection. Absolutely. You know, Shannon 307 00:22:53,799 --> 00:22:59,160 and I we have a big belief in you're never felling, like, there's 308 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:04,720 no such thing as felling. You're either learning or you're succeeding. That's really 309 00:23:04,759 --> 00:23:08,559 what it comes down to. And so that's really the biggest thing that we 310 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,480 believe, and we're always learning and we're big, you know, believers in 311 00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:15,640 like the Thomas Edison you know, he didn't find was it two thousand ways? 312 00:23:17,839 --> 00:23:19,240 You know that he felt it was two thousand ways that it didn't work, 313 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,000 That's all it was. And then you just keep learning and keep learning 314 00:23:22,039 --> 00:23:26,440 and keep building off of that, and it's these small incremental changes. You 315 00:23:26,519 --> 00:23:30,559 know, I'm a big Carolina basketball fan, and so I loved Roy Williams. 316 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,200 You know, he won three national championships at Carolina, is one of 317 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,000 the best ever when it comes to the Hall of Fame. But he always 318 00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:40,440 made a comment over the years that that really stuck out to me. He 319 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:45,400 said, the teams that won the national championships were the ones that played great 320 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,920 defense, the ones that made that extra play, that extra hustle, you 321 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,519 know, always given that extra effort, and those were the teams that made 322 00:23:52,519 --> 00:23:56,000 the difference and so when it comes to the game, it's these small, 323 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,519 little incremental changes, even though they may look small in the surface, but 324 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,799 really when you start compounding and you're adding them up, it just makes a 325 00:24:03,839 --> 00:24:07,240 major, major difference in the overall score but also overall enjoyment of the game. 326 00:24:07,839 --> 00:24:12,000 Yeah, Shannon, you want to comment on that incredible quote. Yeah, 327 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:18,160 it was about progress. I love it. And a big inspiration as 328 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,160 far as for a lot of people is then the late Kobe Bryant, and 329 00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:30,000 I was watching an interview with him and he was talking about losing and he 330 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,039 he said, what do you what do you get out of losing? And 331 00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:37,119 Kobe looked with a smile of excitement and he goes, it's exciting And you're 332 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:42,359 like, why is because I learned? I learned more in that, But 333 00:24:42,519 --> 00:24:45,279 he says, but when I win, guess what, I'm still going back 334 00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:51,000 and analyzing it. And that's the thing is being able to going back and 335 00:24:51,079 --> 00:24:55,559 analyzing. And one of the one we're big proponent of, well, first 336 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,519 being transparent with ourselves. Okay, when we're on the golf course, so 337 00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:03,160 what's going and all mentally what's happening and stuff like that, but then journaling 338 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:08,359 it you know, and journaling can be huge when you're on the golf course 339 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,319 because number one, look, if you hit a bad shot, you can 340 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,000 you can actually journal that. And that's like a brain dump and you're like, 341 00:25:15,079 --> 00:25:17,759 okay, let's start even think about that. Let's not carry it with 342 00:25:17,839 --> 00:25:22,799 us. And so when when it comes about the progress here, here's an 343 00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:27,759 example. We have a client that on the outside, when I first tell 344 00:25:27,759 --> 00:25:34,240 you this, in tournaments, he plays lights out. Now what he's when 345 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,640 he's with his friends, he uh, he doesn't play as well with his 346 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:45,680 friends whoa but through and so on the outside, as a coach, I'm 347 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,039 going, man, he shows up when competition is going. You know, 348 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,759 he's going to perform and when the pressure is all that's what takes into another 349 00:25:52,839 --> 00:25:59,440 level. But through his journaling, Okay, he made me the wrong person 350 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,640 for that. What I mean is he found out what he was playing with 351 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:08,599 his friends. He takes greater risks in his game, greater risks. Yeah, 352 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,559 you see what I'm saying. And so that's what I mean. Progress 353 00:26:12,079 --> 00:26:15,440 is what takes it to another whole other level. How can you how can 354 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:21,680 you learn from you know, your experiences and I believe that you know Jarling 355 00:26:21,799 --> 00:26:26,160 is one little key aspect that could be a golden nugget that could be your 356 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,359 your your ticket to uh to why you know we're not playing at our potential 357 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:36,119 in certain certain areas of golf. Yeah, when you talk about taking greater 358 00:26:36,319 --> 00:26:41,319 risks around your friends, that sounds like ego gets in no way, right, 359 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,759 absolutely. I mean it's not that I would think that in tournament play 360 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,759 you're you're gonna keep your ego and check a bit more because you have to 361 00:26:49,839 --> 00:26:55,079 play within yourself. But when you're with your buddies, it's like I can 362 00:26:55,079 --> 00:27:02,079 pull this one off. Really. Yeah, absolutely help. Yeah, that's 363 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:07,880 definitely that. It's really interesting because I'm glad Sheannon brought up the journaling part 364 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,680 because you know, it's so funny. Like over the last few years, 365 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,319 I'm a big fan of Mark Brody, had him on the road to the 366 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:17,599 Towards Summit of a couple of years ago. Love, absolutely love the strokes 367 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,400 gained data kind of just being able to track and actually get a real answer 368 00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:25,440 to Okay, which area of my game a m I really struggling in. 369 00:27:25,759 --> 00:27:29,759 And I love Scott Falsett's work. He and I are good friends and I 370 00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:32,880 really respect what he's doing in a decade. But you know what's funny because 371 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,920 when it comes to the mental side of game, this is where a lot 372 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,920 of times, when it comes to the mental side game, we're falling short. 373 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,640 There's really no way of actually tracking and measuring and seeing in real time 374 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,119 you know, what people are doing throughout the round. And one of the 375 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:51,599 cool things that we've done with our scorecard system when it comes to what Brian 376 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:56,039 Kaine has introduced what's called signal lights, and then we have what's called E 377 00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,480 plus R equals O formula and mind mapping, which we talk about book as 378 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,079 well. When we put all that together, we can actually now track and 379 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,359 measure and see in real time where people are in their games and how to 380 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,920 make changes really quickly. It's like when we said earlier about hey, we're 381 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,279 giving you some tools, but also we're not just talking about theory. We're 382 00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:17,359 going to show you how to actually apply this and give you practical tools that 383 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,880 you can take away immediately and go see immediate results in your game. And 384 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,759 that's one of the big things that we really wanted to hit home in the 385 00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:27,079 book itself, where these key takeaways at the end of each chapter so that 386 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,920 people actually are doing the work and then they're almost going to see the work 387 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,240 be fulfilled. Yeah. Another thing that jumped out to me in the book 388 00:28:36,319 --> 00:28:40,799 is the line about staying open to adjusting your game plan, staying open to 389 00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:45,720 your club selection, to adjusting your club selection, staying open to your strategy, 390 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:52,960 all based on the circumstance, you know, which we had recent conversation 391 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,920 with with Jossander about is that it feels like lots of times people are making 392 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:04,359 their decisions based on what it says on their rangefinder, you know, and 393 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,680 not a whole lot else. And there's so many other things that you have 394 00:29:08,759 --> 00:29:17,720 to be flexible to make to adjusting those things. Who was it that somebody 395 00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:21,359 wants And it was a big name, one of the great putters. He 396 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:22,559 was on the show, and I'm blanking his name right now, and I'll 397 00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:26,519 probably blurt it out in a second, but he says, I never take 398 00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:30,279 one club when I walk up to the ball. I always have, you 399 00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:36,039 know, choices, so I can once I get to where the ball is, 400 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,759 I can take everything into consideration before I decide which one I'm going to 401 00:29:40,839 --> 00:29:45,079 hit it. Absolutely, that's so good because a lot of times people will 402 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,880 just take one clove and they're just going to go off of that one yards, 403 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,079 but they're not taking into account all the factors that are taking in place, 404 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,920 like when it comes to win to rain right, where's a whole position. 405 00:29:55,079 --> 00:29:59,400 That's why I believe in tracking your shot patterns and knowing you know what's 406 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,960 your tendency is are, and these are all factors that you have to take 407 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,960 into consideration. But when it comes to the mental side, one of the 408 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,319 big things that we teach our players, and especially our tour players. You 409 00:30:10,319 --> 00:30:12,839 know, one of the golden holes we apply is yes, we want to 410 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:18,039 know what our shot tendencies or shot patterns are, but we've always given our 411 00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:23,720 tour players the green light if you have a hundred percent conviction going after a 412 00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:29,599 pin, even though from a course strategy standpoint, Scott Fowset wouldn't probably appreciate 413 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:34,559 this, But even against what Scott would you know, say on the decade 414 00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:37,839 app if you have that one hundred percent conviction that you know you're going to 415 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,720 pull off that shot, you have the green light by all means go ahead 416 00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:45,960 and pull that trigger. But if there is any ounce of endecision whatsoever, 417 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,359 you need to fall back to what your true shot pattern is and plan accordingly 418 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,240 based on that. And so that's that's something else. And again we talk 419 00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:56,759 about green light, yellow light, red light as well, and so those 420 00:30:56,759 --> 00:31:00,799 are our factors too when it comes to, okay, what club choice or 421 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,279 club selection or shot or type of shot that you should play. And you 422 00:31:04,319 --> 00:31:07,640 know, one of the things that we also talk about in the book is 423 00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:11,440 you know, what are the what are the true things that you can control 424 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:17,000 as far as internal versus external, And those are all factors too. I 425 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,519 mean, you have to take in consideration all the things that are internally driven 426 00:31:21,599 --> 00:31:26,200 as well. And and again we detail that all in the chapter the Moment 427 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,559 of Truth playing around and it's it's super super helpful when it comes to actually 428 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:36,519 choosing the right shot. Yeah, see anyone response, No by just knocked 429 00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:41,839 it out. Yeah. When it comes to club selection, you know, 430 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:48,839 steered percent because of where Bo was in the golf world, I had to 431 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:53,519 learn a little bit different culture, okay. And what I mean is is 432 00:31:53,599 --> 00:32:00,440 because of one of the things that I've learned over time is this, when 433 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:05,440 it comes down to what the number one reason why people miss putts is because 434 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,160 indecision and so That's why we say, hey, you know, it's about 435 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:14,519 confidence when it comes down to that shot and you're not really sure, say 436 00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:16,680 it out loud. Let's let's like, let's take the you know, in 437 00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:21,799 the US, we uh, when we're playing basketball, we're playing the game 438 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,640 called horse. And what do you have to do with horse? You call 439 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,480 your shot out, what you're gonna do, You're gonna make it, You're 440 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:30,240 gonna do this and do that. You know, it ups the level of 441 00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:34,960 your confidence when you actually call your shot out. And my thing is, 442 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,440 who cares who's listening to you? Because a lot of the times it can 443 00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:42,960 become a self fulfilling prophecy, so to speak, when you call your shot 444 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,480 out, because you're approaching that shot with a lot more confidence and stuff. 445 00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:51,599 So that's that's Uh. I just wanted to kind of reiterate what bo was 446 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,559 talking about, you know, following those convictions, it is is one hundred 447 00:32:55,559 --> 00:33:00,880 percent. I would love to be able to call out my shot. But 448 00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:04,759 then my playing partners are like, oh, your ego is getting in the 449 00:33:04,759 --> 00:33:07,160 way. You think you're going to pull that one off. No, I 450 00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:12,079 want to pull that one off. All right, We're gonna take in one 451 00:33:12,079 --> 00:33:15,960 more break fight out what's going on Golf Smarter Mulligans this week and we'll be 452 00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:20,519 back after that. This week on Golf Smarter Mulligans is the first of two 453 00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:25,720 episodes with legendary instructor Jim Hardy. Whenever I tell people that I've been podcasting 454 00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:30,880 for eighteen years, inevitably there are two questions that come up. The first 455 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,759 is how do you make money? And secondly, have you had any famous 456 00:33:35,759 --> 00:33:39,079 people on the show? Well, when it comes to high profile names, 457 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:45,359 this one could easily be on the mount Rushmore of Golf Smarter guests. Jim 458 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,680 has been listed as one of the top ten teachers in America because he has 459 00:33:47,799 --> 00:33:53,480 developed a reputation for delivering clear, simple ways to understand this complex game, 460 00:33:53,880 --> 00:34:00,880 and he's had some pretty impressive students. I would talk to Tiger about what 461 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:06,960 shots are natural for his swing to play that would also be repetitive, what 462 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:13,280 shots are not natural for his swing to play that aren't repetitive, And if 463 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:19,519 he were desirous of a different kind of ballflight or more repetitive kind of ballflight, 464 00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:23,559 what he would need to do in his choices he would have in his 465 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:30,599 golf swing to produce those Because there's not only one path that you take, 466 00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:35,000 and that's one of the things about the book is we offer a lot of 467 00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:42,079 solutions for any problem he has in golf, because what one solution might work 468 00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:47,679 for Tom Watson is a totally different solution that might work for Anthony gimm which 469 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:54,079 is a different solution that might work for Jim Perrik because we build our swings 470 00:34:54,480 --> 00:35:00,760 a little differently. That's episode two hundred and thirty six of Golf Mulligans, 471 00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:05,679 the first of two episodes with Jim Hardy after the release of his book Solid 472 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,840 Contact. Next week will be part two that lasts for more than an hour, 473 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:15,440 So don't miss this week's episode to get you started. So if you 474 00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:20,960 believe that Golf Smarter provides valuable insights that helps improve your game, then don't 475 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,639 miss the chance to get two episodes each week with Golf Smarter and golf Smarter 476 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:31,760 Mulligans episodes from archives that revisit the best of Golf Smarter that you can find 477 00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:38,199 on any podcast platform. They're both available for free from wherever you're listening right 478 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:51,559 now. One of the sections that really grabbed me, that unfortunately it really 479 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:57,039 grabbed me, was the dangers of negative self talk, and I just loved 480 00:35:57,039 --> 00:36:00,199 how you broke it down. There's so many elements, in so many different 481 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:05,280 ways that you can have the dangers of self talk. And I'm going to 482 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,079 bounce it ping Polly back between the two of you, and we're going to 483 00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:12,239 start with the first one. Bo, I'm going to throw this one at 484 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,000 you. Self doubt, self doubt. Yeah, you know it's it's really 485 00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:21,079 interesting. In the very beginning of the chapter, we actually share a really 486 00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:27,000 cool story with one of our college golfers who used to have a very very 487 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,480 strong negative self talk and then also a lot of doubt. But what's fascinating 488 00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:36,159 is when we first met with him, we actually shared in real time. 489 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,440 We actually shared the whole story in the book. But well, so fascinating 490 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,039 is we shared with him some of the studies that came out of Harvard. 491 00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:46,239 And what was interesting is that when we speak positively and Shanning you can correct 492 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,920 me on this if I say it wrong, but it was that it would 493 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,920 have a ten percent influence on affect in a certain situation or having an impact 494 00:36:54,960 --> 00:37:00,840 on your game. However, when we speak negation negatively, it had a 495 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:07,840 forty to seventy times of an effect as far as influence or having an outcome 496 00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:15,280 that we don't necessarily like. So what was interesting is that once we really 497 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:20,119 started building what we call power talk, which is, yes, it's a 498 00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:22,280 form of positive self talk, but we take it up another level. And 499 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,840 again we detail that in a book and how it's a little bit different. 500 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,880 But what's really really cool is that when we started working with him and we 501 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:35,440 started showing him some of these things, improving the what we would call some 502 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,480 supports psychologists called the inner experience, and when we started improving what he was 503 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:44,400 saying to himself and more importantly, who he was listening to. We talked 504 00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:50,079 great detail the chapter before the inner coach versus the inner critic, and really, 505 00:37:50,119 --> 00:37:54,280 when we what happens for most players is they're giving too much credit to 506 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:59,280 the inner critic and they're not leaning into the inner coach. And when we 507 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,360 got him to start leaning into the under coach and really start paying attention to 508 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:07,880 what he's saying and more importantly, speaking power talk words over his game, 509 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:13,079 the results were amazing. As a result, in a few short months after 510 00:38:13,159 --> 00:38:16,599 us working together, he became number two on his college team, and then 511 00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:22,079 he also won the Carolina section Major that had some really really good players playing 512 00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:25,239 in here. There were former PGA Tour players that are in this field, 513 00:38:27,079 --> 00:38:32,079 some really really good high level amateurs, and then also people that have played 514 00:38:32,119 --> 00:38:36,639 at some big, big D one programs like Wake Forest and we're on the 515 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,519 national championship teams for some of these schools, and that's the field that he 516 00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:44,480 was playing up against. He ended up winning that tournament. So it's been 517 00:38:44,519 --> 00:38:47,280 a fun, fun journey watching him and then many of our clients that we've 518 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:52,599 worked with when it comes to changing what they're seeing and then more importantly, 519 00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:55,280 what they're thinking. Absolutely, yeah, I want to go on to that. 520 00:38:55,360 --> 00:39:00,320 So here's the thing. Can wait control negative thoughts? The answer is 521 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:05,159 no, we can't control it because if we can control negative thoughts, we 522 00:39:05,159 --> 00:39:08,920 wouldn't have any negative thoughts at all, right, you know, and you 523 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:13,800 know if you think about it that way. So the negative thought is an 524 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,639 event that goes on in your head and then but it's our response, it's 525 00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:22,480 our ability to respond to that negative thought. It's how do we respond to 526 00:39:22,519 --> 00:39:28,239 it that determines our outcome mentality. Like, for example, if you hit 527 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,079 a bad shot, what happens is I like to It's kind of like you 528 00:39:32,159 --> 00:39:36,360 can carry a mental brick with you. You know, if you're holding a 529 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,199 brick in your hand and you hold it, you know, for you know, 530 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,599 five minutes, it gets kind of heavy. But when you're harder for 531 00:39:40,679 --> 00:39:44,559 ten minutes, twenty minute, it gets heavier and heavier. So if you 532 00:39:44,639 --> 00:39:49,000 keep thinking back to that shot, it's going on. Because remember, you 533 00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:51,960 know, if you have the negative thought, it affects you some way, 534 00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:55,760 somehow forty to seventy times more. So that's why you want to switch that 535 00:39:57,119 --> 00:40:00,519 and to dump it and release it. You know, we talked, we've 536 00:40:00,519 --> 00:40:05,000 heard about the think box, the playbox. Well what about the release box. 537 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,519 We got to get the release box in there to release it. You 538 00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:10,840 know. Yeah, Tiger Woods, you know, his mom taught him. 539 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:15,039 He said, look, you got ten you got ten steps. You got 540 00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:16,760 to release it. After your ten sets, you can't think about it no 541 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:21,119 more, and so on and so. But we have to have a release 542 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,280 mechanism to get that negative thought or that or the negative process out. This. 543 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,880 There another thing about words. Let's talk about words. There was a 544 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:34,400 Rice study that was done and in the Rice study, if you take, 545 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,440 uh, listen, you boil right, boil rice. You put one and 546 00:40:39,519 --> 00:40:44,320 it contained in three different containers. On one level it negative, on the 547 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,880 other one that label it positive, and one put in the glect. And 548 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:52,400 then for one month on the positive all you do is you speak positive to 549 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,239 that that rice. I know it sounds crazy, but this is true. 550 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,719 You can google it, chirch it. I mean, I was pulllown away 551 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,320 by the story and it comes up everywhere and it's crazy, but it's also 552 00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:07,760 it's actually been a case study that's done. It's not just something that's a 553 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:12,360 YouTube. Theenom so to speak. And so what happens is when you speak 554 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:17,440 positive to that rice for one month on the positive one, and then and 555 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,840 then you speak negative like for example, positive, you look great today. 556 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,480 Everybody loves you. You're you're a champion, you're a phenomenal. And then 557 00:41:24,519 --> 00:41:29,280 you go to the negative one. Oh, you're disgusting and everybody hates you. 558 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,760 You're worthless. You know, you're in amount to nothing. Everybody you 559 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,920 know. And then the neglect, you don't even do anything with it. 560 00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:38,159 You just leave it to the side, totally out of the room. When 561 00:41:38,519 --> 00:41:42,239 you go back and you look at the positive rice at the end of the 562 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,480 month, and you open it up, it actually is still white and actually 563 00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:52,000 has an aroma to it, like a sweet smelling aroma to it that I've 564 00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:54,000 noticed. And then on the negative one, it actually has mold in it. 565 00:41:55,159 --> 00:42:00,519 It's all the same rice, it has mold that's protruding all over it. 566 00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:02,000 And then you look at the one that's neglect, and what happens in 567 00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:07,159 neglect is it actually has slight little bits of mold in it, but not 568 00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:12,320 as bad as the negative amazing, and so how much more so then when 569 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,400 you think about the effects of water and stuff that's on your body, then 570 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:20,880 you know your your body's made up of seventy percent water. So that would 571 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,639 make sense why the statement of the forty the negative words will affect you forty 572 00:42:25,679 --> 00:42:32,280 to seventy percent more some likely somehow to affect you. So that's why we 573 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:37,519 just need to here's the thing, just eliminate the negative behavior. You know, 574 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:42,599 and behavior can change things. It's like, for example, I call 575 00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:47,400 it the ABC ABC always behave confidently, take the negative house out of it, 576 00:42:47,559 --> 00:42:52,440 and you know, always BEHAVEE confidently and that's how you win. And 577 00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:58,880 win is a love acronym and is what's important. Now you know that keeps 578 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,760 us in our shoes. When you talk about the release box, it reminds 579 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:07,679 me of something that Doctor Joe Parents and Golf said on the show once, 580 00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:12,679 and that was when you have a bad shot, when you have a situation 581 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,280 that didn't work for you on the golf course, what you need to do 582 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:20,679 is pull out your edge of sketch, turn it over and shake it so 583 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,280 it just erases it, and then move only if those of you who remember 584 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,800 the edge of sketch it's still around. One of the other things in the 585 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:36,079 book that it didn't make me question my faith, but it made me look 586 00:43:36,119 --> 00:43:38,840 at my faith in a unique way. And I don't know why it went 587 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:44,119 to my faith, but you talked about and you brought it up bo the 588 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,599 three voices that we have in our heads. You have the inner critic, 589 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:53,119 the inner coach, and your own voice. And that's you know, not 590 00:43:53,239 --> 00:44:02,320 just golf, but so many things in life that those voices control your control 591 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:09,679 you and I just I love the concept of paying attention to the inner coach 592 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:15,920 and less attention to the inner critic. Yeah, and Shannon feel free to 593 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:22,840 jump in here as well. But I will say the fascinating thing about those 594 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:27,159 three voices is that one. They all sound like it's coming from us, 595 00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,280 because it does. It sounds like it's all originated from our own thoughts. 596 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:36,960 But the reality is, and psychologists have a name for the inner critic, 597 00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:39,719 and they actually do talk a lot about that, and we list out the 598 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:44,320 different most common ones that the inner critic takes on this voice. But the 599 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,239 most important thing that I really want to hit home with all of that chapter, 600 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,760 and it's is a lot. But the beautiful thing is whether you come 601 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,800 up from it from a spiritual standpoint or you just come from it from you 602 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,320 know, non spiritual at all. The beautiful thing is we give you a 603 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,199 great way of looking at it through the lens of like when you're a kid 604 00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:06,519 and you're watching cartoons. You know, you had the cartoon main character with 605 00:45:06,559 --> 00:45:08,000 an angel on one shoulder, and then you had the little devil on the 606 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:13,360 other shoulder. And so the fascinating thing is we actually show you how you 607 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,880 can actually look and listen to each But more importantly, we give you ways 608 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:21,679 to discern which is which. And it really does when you go through that 609 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,760 chapter and we list out all the different comps, Like I guess you'd say 610 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:29,360 common things that the inner critic will say, but also what the inner coach 611 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:35,960 will say. You will very quickly start understanding which is your voice or thoughts, 612 00:45:36,599 --> 00:45:39,280 and which is the inner critics voice, and then more importantly, which 613 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:44,920 is the inner coach's voice. And I'll tell you it is so so important 614 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,119 because I just got done shared just a few moments ago how one of our 615 00:45:47,159 --> 00:45:52,320 college players won this section major and one of the biggest keys to that was 616 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,159 he was able to discern which voice he was listening to and which one he 617 00:45:55,239 --> 00:46:01,159 started leaning to. Powerful. Yeah, really powerful. So I'm half I'm 618 00:46:01,199 --> 00:46:05,360 not going to be able to cover all these points on this book, and 619 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,199 we're going to have to have you guys back on maybe individually, and do 620 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:14,519 each episode with you. But I'm halfway through the book and I'm about to 621 00:46:14,559 --> 00:46:19,599 take be Gone for a couple of weeks, and so I'm going to be 622 00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:22,400 reading a lot on my kindle, so I'm definitely looking forward to finishing it. 623 00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:25,880 What should I look forward to in the back part of this book, 624 00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:32,960 Well, I will say that there's two chapters I really want to highlight. 625 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:39,280 Number one is how to Overcome Competition Anxiety, and then the next one is 626 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:45,559 playing your round the moment of truth and when it comes to that competition anxiety. 627 00:46:45,639 --> 00:46:47,079 I know for a fact you are not going to find another book in 628 00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:51,519 the golf space that go to the level of detail that we actually break down. 629 00:46:52,119 --> 00:46:55,519 And one of the things that I'll just kind of take it there is 630 00:46:55,559 --> 00:47:00,400 that the first part we talk about mind mapping, and it was an amazing 631 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:06,239 book written by Unwinding Anxiety. I forgot. I think that doctor Judson Brewer, 632 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,599 I believe it was his name, and he introduces a fascinating concept. 633 00:47:09,639 --> 00:47:15,079 But what we did is we took it and we actually applied it to golf 634 00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:17,719 and it's a really powerful exercise that if you actually sit down and you go 635 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,880 through and you map out, like what are the common triggers that people are 636 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,559 experiencing. What happens is we play this game almost like mindlessly and we kind 637 00:47:25,559 --> 00:47:28,679 of go through themotions and a lot of times, like let's say, for 638 00:47:28,679 --> 00:47:31,719 example, you shank a shot, what will happened is very quickly people will 639 00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:37,000 go and you know, beate themselves and they'll do negative self talk and they'll 640 00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:38,239 say, like you know, it's kind of like saying bad dog, bad 641 00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:43,719 dog. Well that's the old behavior and we sometimes feel like we're doing something 642 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,360 good in that situation, but the reality is not doing anything or than reinforcing 643 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:52,760 the bad behavior and more importantly undermining your confidence. And then even more so, 644 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:58,480 you're creating a domino effect of bad shots coming down the line and before 645 00:47:58,519 --> 00:48:00,639 you know that, you're having a triple bow gear quite rou u vote on 646 00:48:00,639 --> 00:48:02,719 the scorecard and you're looking back like what in the world just happened. And 647 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:07,239 what's fascinating is what we teach our players is number One, when we hit 648 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,639 a bad shot, it's not a big deal because we're able to release it 649 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,639 very quickly because we show you how to do this what's called a release trigger. 650 00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,280 But even more so, which we haven't even talked about in the Moment 651 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:22,239 of Truth chapter, which is called the ball reset or ball acronym, and 652 00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,719 that's going to be super fascinating, and if we have time, I can 653 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:30,119 share a few case studies there. But really going back to the anxiety piece, 654 00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:34,960 a lot of times people come in this game and they want to play 655 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,000 it for enjoyment, they want to have fun. But the reality is people 656 00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:42,199 still have life going on outside of golf, and this is a topic that 657 00:48:42,519 --> 00:48:47,239 not many people really go deep on and it's something that we actually share a 658 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:53,039 few powerful stories in that chapter, like just real, real life, everyday 659 00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:59,199 people and struggles that they're bringing in, but we show them how to overcome 660 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,440 that anxiety and then we actually show them how to not only do it in 661 00:49:02,519 --> 00:49:06,079 their golf game, but also in their life. And so that's one thing 662 00:49:06,119 --> 00:49:07,800 that's super important about that. But if we have time, I can kind 663 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:12,920 of expand on that ball acronym piece and go for it. All right, 664 00:49:13,559 --> 00:49:16,320 this is something that I'll just kind of give a high level overview of, 665 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:23,320 But you know, we we Zach Sawnson. He was he's a mental coach 666 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,760 for the Atlanta Braves, and so he had a form of this that he 667 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,000 used and it's one of the big reasons why Atlanta Braves won a twenty twenty 668 00:49:30,039 --> 00:49:35,599 two World Series and my opinion they probably will do it again this year. 669 00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,400 They're a beast, yeah, And the big reason why they're so good is 670 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:45,559 because of what he has shared with them. And so this ball acronym, 671 00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:50,800 we've taken parts of it and we put it on steroids and kind of give 672 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,960 you a high overview is is we have was called a ball acronym, which 673 00:49:54,039 --> 00:49:58,559 is like breathe, affirm, look back, look forward, And all that 674 00:49:58,679 --> 00:50:01,400 simply means is we're showing how to do a hard release trigger that has been 675 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:07,199 proven by science. I got to give a shout out to doctor Izzy Justice, 676 00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:12,159 and he's one of the neuroscientists that have taken EG scans of golfers and 677 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,599 shown just through the first piece, how to take a golfer from a red 678 00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:20,920 light to a green light within like ten seconds. An amazing thing about this, 679 00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:23,039 why this is so important, is that when we hit like a shank 680 00:50:23,159 --> 00:50:29,440 for an example, it's a surprise, big surprise factor, and it catches 681 00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,119 a lot of people off guard, and so immediately they start having these you 682 00:50:32,199 --> 00:50:36,159 know, million thoughts, you know, right after another, like oh my 683 00:50:36,199 --> 00:50:38,000 goodness, what's going on? Why did that just happen? I can't believe 684 00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:40,440 it, you know, my swing plane off? I mean, just everything 685 00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:45,519 just right after another. And so from an EG scan, what happens is 686 00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,639 they're in a red light state. And even on the EG scan it shows 687 00:50:49,679 --> 00:50:52,880 they're in a red light state. Okay, but what's so fascinating about this 688 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,760 NERR hack? If they go through the ball acronym, what's going to happen 689 00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,440 with the hard release trigger. They're going to get back to a green light 690 00:50:59,519 --> 00:51:02,719 state as far brainwave activity in the brain. And the beautiful thing about this 691 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:07,840 it is the equivalent as if they had spent twenty minutes in meditation or twenty 692 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:14,440 minutes of yoga and they're achieving that as far as activity in the brain within 693 00:51:14,599 --> 00:51:19,400 ten seconds. Yeah, the mental aspect, not necessarily the physical relaxation is 694 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,000 the mental aspect. It comes the traffic that's going down in your brain. 695 00:51:22,119 --> 00:51:28,880 But then also to add to that, we actually added another portion of a 696 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:34,119 study that came out from Stanford with a breathing technique that's with it because you 697 00:51:34,159 --> 00:51:36,760 know, it's always good to take a deep breath because it clears your mind, 698 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,519 but a certain type of breath that goes in there. So but yeah, 699 00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:44,800 and then by the go ahead, sorry everyoneanted to put that one in 700 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:49,000 there. Thank you. No, that's a huge yeah, And that's the 701 00:51:49,079 --> 00:51:52,440 first letter is to be it's that breathe with the hardly trigger. Followed by 702 00:51:52,519 --> 00:51:55,519 the power talk, which we talked a little bit about, and it's super 703 00:51:55,519 --> 00:52:00,880 important why people need to have what we call a power talk bank, so 704 00:52:01,039 --> 00:52:05,000 to speak, of the posits that they have made ahead of time so they 705 00:52:05,039 --> 00:52:09,239 can draw them out at the time that's appropriate for the situation. And then 706 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:13,800 what's called a look back is like a history search, and if they have 707 00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,880 a note card of all these amazing shots, they can go back relive that 708 00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,519 through mental imagery, which we show them in the book how to do this. 709 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,440 And then the beautiful thing is one a player does that when they follow 710 00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:28,039 this ball acronym, going through the breathe, the hard release, doing the 711 00:52:28,079 --> 00:52:30,800 power talk, and then a reliving of an amazing shot they've hit in the 712 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:35,360 pass, and then we bring them back look forward the last l the ball 713 00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,880 acronym. They are pumped up, like we cannot tell you how many instances 714 00:52:40,039 --> 00:52:44,679 within our community, people that are working with us one on one, are 715 00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:49,159 in our semi private coaching programs where they have told us over and over and 716 00:52:49,159 --> 00:52:52,760 I've experienced this personally my own game Shannon has with racing bikes. It's amazing 717 00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:57,800 because we can go into a situation where we don't feel confident, like let's 718 00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,599 just be real, like we have a shot that's coming up, we don't 719 00:53:00,599 --> 00:53:04,360 feel good about it. Maybe we just hit a shaky shot in the last 720 00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,679 one. But as soon as you do this ball acronym, you go from 721 00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:12,800 a place of almost indecisive, almost like unsure, to now you're excited and 722 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,239 you can't wait to hit this shot. Yeah, big difference, And that 723 00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:20,159 goes long ways when it comes back to what we shared earlier, which is 724 00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,239 commitment level to the shot, because when we know there's any ounce of indecision, 725 00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:28,400 there's no chance of playing a good shot. Yeah, absolutely amazing. 726 00:53:29,519 --> 00:53:31,519 Tell us the name of the book, how we can get it, and 727 00:53:32,599 --> 00:53:37,480 your website and social media, how we follow you, contact you a surly. 728 00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:42,639 So the book is called In his Own Secrets, and we're going to 729 00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,480 be releasing it on October twenty fourth, and so people will be able to 730 00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:51,079 get that book through our website twenty twenty three. Yep, you got it. 731 00:53:52,119 --> 00:53:57,360 It will be through directly through the website Endzone secrets dot com. Fred. 732 00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,000 If you want to share it with your listeners, there will be actually 733 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,920 a specific link for all your listeners. So that's going to be end his 734 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,280 oonne Secrets dot com, slash golf Smarter, and then they'll be able to 735 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,519 go and get the book directly through our website if they want to get the 736 00:54:10,599 --> 00:54:15,840 digital or to kindle version. The big benefit to that is there we're going 737 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:20,400 to also get as part of that a free mini course which will also unpack 738 00:54:20,519 --> 00:54:22,480 and show them how to implement a lot of these things that we're teaching in 739 00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:25,840 a book very quickly. And then if they're like, hey, I want 740 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:30,119 something that's physical, I want to be able to read something, no problem. 741 00:54:30,159 --> 00:54:32,800 Will also have another link directly to Amazon where they can actually buy the 742 00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:38,800 book directly through Amazon and social media and website other websites. That's enough. 743 00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:45,400 Yeah, we have what's called our website for the book is amazone Mental Training 744 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:50,000 dot com. That's Shannon and I on there. And if anybody wants to 745 00:54:50,159 --> 00:54:53,519 work with us directly and they want to see the case studies and you know 746 00:54:53,559 --> 00:54:57,800 who we've worked with, amazing results we're seeing with our clients. You know, 747 00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,079 with over three hundred clients we've worked with, we're averaging about six point 748 00:55:00,159 --> 00:55:04,519 seven shots dropped in ninety days or less. And a big reason for that, 749 00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,840 Wow, Yeah, it's been a fun journey. The big reason for 750 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,039 that is ultimately everything that we're teaching in a book. So you know, 751 00:55:10,159 --> 00:55:13,559 the last few years, you know, to work with us one on one 752 00:55:13,679 --> 00:55:16,400 or semi private. You know, it's it's about you know, two to 753 00:55:16,519 --> 00:55:21,920 three grand, and we've gone up higher than that. But the beautiful thing 754 00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,000 about that is now people are going to be able to have a tangible asset 755 00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:29,559 that has only been available to people who have paid to work with us, 756 00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:30,880 and they're going to have that in a form of book, you know, 757 00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:37,079 under twenty bucks twenty five bucks. So yeah, we're super excited. We're 758 00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:39,239 serious about our mission and so yeah, people want to learn more. In 759 00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:43,440 his Own Mental Training dot Com is our website. The book will be in 760 00:55:43,559 --> 00:55:47,519 his Own Secrets dot com and then slash Golf Smarter and then Instagram. Yeah, 761 00:55:47,559 --> 00:55:52,239 Shan and I are both on Instagram and Facebook if you want to look 762 00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,840 up school lifetimele rounds on Instagram, and then Shannon is just his own island. 763 00:55:58,599 --> 00:56:00,119 Shannon is great having you back on the show. Thanks so much for 764 00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:04,280 coming on in good luck with the book. Thanks so much. It's been 765 00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:08,440 awesome love to connect with you. Thank you, and Bo I'm a sucker 766 00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:13,559 for great voices in you. You have one of them. But it's great 767 00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:15,239 to talk to you again. You're always a wealth of information. Thanks so 768 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:21,599 much, absolutely, thank you. Fred it was a pleasure. Now to 769 00:56:21,679 --> 00:56:25,159 get more information about the book and their programs, go to in the Zone 770 00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:30,159 Secrets dot com, slash golf Smarter. Usually when I have a book to 771 00:56:30,199 --> 00:56:34,800 read for an upcoming interview, I'll read as much as I can. I'm 772 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,480 a slow reader until it's time for the interview. Then most of the time 773 00:56:38,639 --> 00:56:43,159 I won't finish the book since I've had a full conversation with the author. 774 00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:49,920 But I'm finding this book quite compelling and helpful. So even though we recorded 775 00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,960 this interview a couple of weeks ago, I'm still absorbing its methods every night. 776 00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:58,000 Again. The book is called In the Zone Secrets How to Get in 777 00:56:58,119 --> 00:57:02,239 the Zone at the Flip of a Switch by Bo Watson and Shannon Sesky. 778 00:57:02,679 --> 00:57:08,000 Get more at Indzone secrets dot com, slash golf Smarter. Now, this 779 00:57:08,119 --> 00:57:14,639 week's ambassador, Eric Sebach, intrigued me because of all the ambassadors we have, 780 00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:19,000 I find it rare that someone lives in one state here in the US 781 00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,039 and plays in another, So I had to go to Google Maps to see 782 00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:27,920 exactly where each of those places were. Now. Eric lives just outside of 783 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:32,159 Fort Worth, Texas, but travels more than seventy miles north to cross over 784 00:57:32,239 --> 00:57:37,960 the border to play at Windstar Golf Club in Thackerville, Oklahoma. Not sure 785 00:57:38,039 --> 00:57:42,639 how often Eric gets to play, but when you listen to his show opening, 786 00:57:43,159 --> 00:57:45,159 it clearly sounds like he was in the car, so I hope he 787 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:50,480 was on his way to get in eighteen holes. It must be a fabulous 788 00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:53,679 place to play if you're driving that far for your rounds. And I'm curious 789 00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:59,119 how far do you usually drive for your regular course? For me, it's 790 00:57:59,159 --> 00:58:04,320 about fifteen Rooster Run, but I'm going into the next county, which is 791 00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:09,000 the famous winegrower's location of Sonoma County, and Rooster Run has vineyards on one 792 00:58:09,159 --> 00:58:14,800 side and a small airport on the other. Well, beyond telling all your 793 00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:19,239 golf buddies about what you've learned on the podcast, there's another simple way to 794 00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,480 become a Golf Smarter Ambassador. Just do as Eric did and write to me 795 00:58:22,679 --> 00:58:29,119 to follow our simple instructions on how to record an episode opening that takes less 796 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,960 than one minute. When you do, you'll have a choice of a free 797 00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:37,840 gift. Eric chose to get a free glove and glove storage compartment from redroostergolf 798 00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:42,480 dot com. Check out today's show notes to see more and links about each 799 00:58:42,599 --> 00:58:45,880 gift you have to choose from, whether it's Tony Manzoni's video of the Lost 800 00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:51,079 Fundamental, a box of Odin X one balls with the golf Smarter logo, 801 00:58:51,559 --> 00:58:55,280 or the goodies from redroostergolf dot com. So write to me with your request 802 00:58:55,639 --> 00:59:00,360 and I'll send you some simple directions and choice of gift. 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