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Welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro
Roja. Open Minds Radio is the UFO

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News authority presenting evidence and the latest
news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your

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host, Alejandro Roha. Thank you, mister Dean, Hello and welcome to

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open Minds Radio, your UFO news
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mean it, and that is the
last word. Now, we're not like

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that. We're not like one of
those Fox News thinks where they're like,

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oh, I know everything and you
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you know, you make up your
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a lot of great information and keep
you informed so you can make your own

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informed decision. That is the American
democratic way. Some people seem to forget

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to get all lost, and we
can't be the socialists. We're democrats and

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that's what we do here at Open
Minds support democracy and we talk UFOs.

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Today we're going to be talking UFOs
with Lee Spiegel. He is a writer

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for the Huffington Post. He's been
in this field for quite some time.

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We'll talk to him about the un
Initiative. Back in nineteen seventy eight,

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we talked a bit about that with
Antonio Juneios, who also wrote about it

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in our magazine. But actually Lee
Spiegel had a lot to do with putting

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that whole thing together, So we'll
talk to him about that and all of

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those details. We'll also talk about
the Huffington Post, which he's been writing

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in, which is great because the
Huffington Post is a nationally syndicated it's national,

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big time online. I mean,
they're a news giant, and it's

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great to have conventional media letting Lee
cover UFOs. So he also has got

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to interview a lot of people that
were on the History Channel show just the

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other day, and he will talk
about you know, what he talked about

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with those people, and he's been
writing some stories about those on the Huffington

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Post. So this is going to
be a great show. I also want

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to thank George Napp, another great
journalist out there, who had Antonio and

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I on Coast to Coast AM last
night. That was very cool, a

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lot of fun. I love George. He's just a great journalist and it's

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wonderful to be able to talk to
him about all the latest in UFO news.

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Luckily, you guys get to keep
up to date on it. You

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don't have to wait for us to
be on coast to coast every three months

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or so. You get all the
news right here on a weekly basis.

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We also have it on our website
on a daily basis because we are flipping

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so cool. And one of the
flipping cool people who help us get the

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news out to you on a regular
basis is our news correspondent. Who is

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here today to tell us about the
UFO news this week. The gentleman I

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speak of is none other than mister
Jason MacLellan. How are you, sir?

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Good? I gave you a pretty
long intro there, Yeah, and

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you are full of flattery, my
friend. Well, people got to understand

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you know how important you know all
this is? Well, this all is

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important. Yes, I myself am
not important. Oh cut it out,

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all right, Well, let's do
this. This is your Open Minds News

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UFO News Brief for Monday, August
twenty ninth, twenty eleven. Internet giant

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Google wants to be prepared for any
disaster that could possibly materialize, including an

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extraterrestrial invasion. Does Google knows something
the rest of us don't, probably not

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Google it. But according to Next
the Next Web Aaron Fiom, Google's Enterprise

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director of security recently revealed that the
company's emergency preparedness plan tries to include a

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wide variety of disaster scenarios. In
an interview with computer World, Freigenbaum stated,

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we play a lot of games here. Part of our disastery recovery plan

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is to assume the worst has happened. In last year's scenario, Google was

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attacked by aliens in California was off
the map. We asked, what can

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we do? How do we run
our infrastructure? And the inclusion of an

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alien attack in Google's disaster planning isn't
too shocking, because, as we talked

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about last week and the week before
and the week before, this theme of

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these evil aliens attacking us is unfortunately
quite popular right now. Yeah, it's

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a very big thing. And of
course there's a story you talked about last

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week where NASA was said to have
written this report, but it wasn't NATAI.

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It was a nasty sucientist, right. But regardless, they're talking about

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some of those types of scenarios.
So scientific research, articles, television shows,

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movies, they're all doing. This. Alien in Asian seems to be

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on their minds for some reason,
at least they they'll pretend to be ready.

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They can hire someone who in these
teugh economic times, who can have

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a job figuring all this out.
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I'm sure they've got a bunch of
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well let's play some alien games.
We're gonna shoot them with lasers.

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Work that into our serious work.
Yeah yeah, somebody got paid big for

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that. Yep. Well, there's
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world, and the Sci Fi Channel
has announced yet another television series that will

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explore the topic of UFOs. Paranormal
Witness will use what are claimed to be

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true stories to present accounts of UFO
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This is how the series is described
on the Sci Fi's website. Don't Watch

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it Alone. Paranormal Witness is an
intense, cinematic, high octane drama documentary

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series. The show brings to life
the true stories of people who have lived

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through explanation defying paranormal experiences. Using
a mixture intimate firsthand testimony, personal photos,

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and real footage combined with gritty,
realistic drama, Paranormal Witness will transport

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you into a world turned upside down
by ext extraordinary and terrifying events. Sli

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FI already airs a number of shows
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include Factor Fake, Paranormal Files,
and that has Ben Hanson on it,

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who was a guest earlier this year
on Open Minds Radio, and he will

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also be speaking at the twenty twelve
International UFO Congress here in February. But

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this series, Paranormal Witness will premiere
on Wednesday, September seventh, so check

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your local listings for times on that. And judging by the previews, I

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can't tell if this is going to
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seems to be super hyped up drama. Yeah, really hyped up, you

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know, and this is the sort
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and it's not really you know,
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typically it's not that great. Certainly, a lot of their hyped up stuff

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that they're pushing hard seems to be
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chairs flying across rooms and things like
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use some real footage, you know, so hopefully they'll have some real footage,

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real UFO footage and some even real
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they're also gonna have a lot of
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led me to believe, because it's
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We'll see what they do. I
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fingers and hope for the best.
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stories, so that could be interesting
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and UFO researcher Stan Friedman was a
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of weeks ago to lend his opinion
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the conspiracies associated with the mission that
was allegedly scrapped by NASA. The Joy

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Behar Show on CNN's HLN hosted a
panel of guests last Wednesday to discuss UFOs

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and the exist since of extraterrestrials.
This panel included journalist Leslie Kane, former

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Ministry of Defense, UFO researcher Nick
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Arizona Governor Fife Symington. The History
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night titled Secret Access UFO's on the
Record, based on Leslie Kane's New York

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Times bestseller UFOs Generals, pilots and
government officials go on the Record. Kane

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explained to The Huffington Post the theme
of the program is that UFOs exist,

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but there's a small percentage of sightings
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Secret Access UFOs on the Record,
which can already be pre ordered on DVD

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in the History Channel's online store,
was followed by a new episode of Ancient

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Aliens that explored the connection between extraterrestrials
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UFO subject is being addressed in television
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new occurrence. But I don't know, would you agree with me on this

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that it seems even slightly that the
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slightly where it seemed to be taking
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I think, I personally think so. I think it's been a slow,

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gradual thing where it used to be
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in cheek and made to look silly, but these days it's just the opposite.

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I think, you know, we
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time. Most of these stories,
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pretty seriously. You know. They
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event that's happened, and they don't
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lot that do, but not all
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these History Channel specials with this show
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coverage except for you know, when
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Central show Stephen Colbert, yea and
Stephen Colbert, which is supposed to be

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funny. You know, it was
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so, I think it continues to
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when they were on the when this
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You know, it's usually a very
comedic show, and that's the point

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of the show. You know,
they do a lot of entertainment news and

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things like that. But and granted
Joy Behart wasn't there. They had a

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fill in host, but overall it
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You know. There were some other
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think of crop circles and things like
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this panel was talking about, but
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and this History Channel special Secret Access
UFO is on the record was done very

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professionally, and you know, Leslie
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I mean, these experts were featured
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delivered. It was really cool and
it was a really interesting show to watch

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because it's different from a lot of
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are the perfect people to present it
because they stick to hard facts, you

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know what, we know what we
condemned, not a lot of information that

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is just speculation. So I love
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great. I always I'm really happy
with all of the attention that Leslie's work

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has been getting right, and it's
my opinion that I think Leslie Kane managed

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to pull off what I think for
intent was with that special and that is

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to highlight the importance of that we
do need some sort of official organization to

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be looking into UFOs, because that's
really what you pushed in this pointing out

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that yes, there are things in
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but there isn't an organization that people
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investigate this. We have our move
ons and our other organizations to report things,

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but we don't have an official group
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Yeah, I think the problem with
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the resources, you know, with
the projects that get done at universities or

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governmental levels, they get a lot
of funding and then you have a lot

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of resources, a lot of equipment
that can be spent, and people full

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time you know, working on these
issues. We haven't really had that,

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and you know, if we did, we would get a lot further I

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think, and that's what she's talking
about, even with mouf On. It's

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everybody working when they can in their
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with families, with jobs, so
that very little time gets to be actually

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put towards towards these efforts. So
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organization, private or I think a
university would be best. That'd be great

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if it was a real something they
took serious. I agree, But bottom

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line, I do think these these
television shows are in news programs, you

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know, are moving in the right
direction and the subject is being taken more

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seriously, which is a wonderful thing
to see. Yeah, ye, well,

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I'm going to talk about fireballs.
I don't think I talked about fireballs

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last week, but we talked about
fireball with a lot, and I've got

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more fireballs to talk about. A
burning fireball was seen shooting across the sky

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and Cusco, Peru, on Thursday, and was recorded on video. Many

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fireball UFOs have been reported this year
from all around the world, including Mexico,

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Scotland, and the United States.
According to CBS News, this latest

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fireball UFO in Peru is suspected to
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but no positive identification has been made. And there was also a fireball in

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Auckland, New Zealand. An unusual
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on Saturday evening. Auckland now describes
the descending point of light, which revealed

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the U shaped nimbus when it zoomed
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west of Auckland about six pm on
Saturday. A witness recorded the video of

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the strange lights that burned through the
evening sky and in the video, the

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witness states that the object is back, indicating that the flaming object has previously

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appeared in the air. But according
to Auckland, now astronomers say the light

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in the sky was probably not a
UFO comet or rogue planet about smashing to

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the Earth, but rather the contrail
of of a plane heading out over the

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Tasman Sea. So the it seemed
with this one, with the Auckland sighting,

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that the or astronomers they actually convinced
to lend their opinion on this sighting

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were kind of annoyed by it,
and that came across right away, so

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they really had to push to get
some astronomer to to talk about that came

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back kind of jokingly with their response. Really, that's frustrating. I mean

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that's their job. I mean,
there's supposed to be experts on things in

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the sky right space, and and
you know, it's possible that they were

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somewhat frustrated because I think there were
a lot of people commenting on this particular

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video with things talking about, you
know, plan in a planet that would

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smash or something exactly. Yeah,
so I think they kind of got frustrated

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with that and didn't want to waste
their time addressing crazy theories. But yeah,

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you know what, I think this
is incredible though, yet another fireball,

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maybe two, the one in Peru
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a bunch that we've had this summer. I mean, this has been the

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summer of fireballs. It's been the
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I think when we started really seeing
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June, July, July especially there
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like the eighth recorded fireball, and
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more that was videotaped right in a
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this strange object. Yeah, and
I certainly think that there are quite a

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few of these, or at least
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bizarre things that you wouldn't suspect.
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the sunlight setting sun while the contrails
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in the sky. But others,
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are just completely bizarre. Yeah,
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function of where we're seeing more of
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starting to seem like that, or
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videotaping, But there's been people videotaping
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it does seem like an increase of
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strange. Really, it really is
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definitely, and we are doing just
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something that seems to be on the
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fireball, but it was described as
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on Tuesday night in the sky above
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region of New Zealand. Resent Calvin
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noticed the strange light in the sky
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on video. He explained that the
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two objects. These objects just hovered
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they were gone. Hawk Bay's Whole
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sparks As, suggested the objects could
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disagrees, explaining that there was no
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appeared to be hovering. They weren't
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au radio that most of the videos
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so it's only slightly in focus at
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see these two distinct lights. But
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that these lights were one object,
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then after a flash they vanished,
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especially given his testimony. Right and
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That's all we've got to go on. Yeah, but you should.

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objects you can see one is i
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white. But they seem to have
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defined shape where the shape is the
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movement of solid points of light.
That is absolutely possible. Yep. Well

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one hundred. That is all the
news I have for today. Well,

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there's something else we need to talk
about. Let's talk about something else,

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Dale. I forgot Dale's picture.
We haven't talked about that yet. Well,

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I don't know. If you want
to tease people, we don't have

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it here the show for people watching
on the well, people go online to

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our face check our facebooks, yea, any of our facebooks. Jason's open

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Minds is what his, Maureen's is
Maureene open Minds. Or go to the

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UFO Sinc Tank, slash open Minds
Radio or my uh Facebook and you'll see

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this absolutely incredibly cool picture done by
Dale Hendrickson, who is a character designer

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for The Simpsons, and a test
and it's it's me going here like this

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and Maureen with a laser and she's
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a very curvy, well drawn alien. Well, it's gonna shoot us what

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she is. She is an alien, So it's an accurate representation. I

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mean, that's that's not weird.
Although she said she's protecting us, which

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I think is better think of because
in the drawing she's sort of hovering here

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at the table with the gun making
sure that Amida protecting us or making sure

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that we stay on time. I
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what she's doing, but the I'm
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when she's in here, because I
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I think she'd be trigger happy.
That is true. One right here,

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be able to see right through my
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many thanks to you, Dale,
We appreciate it so much. Again.

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To show my appreciation, next not
next week, but the week after,

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I will be on the show with
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it. Oh really, so that
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the show. Wow, proudly displaying
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Yeah, you're gonna come to our
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with this picture on it because it's
so cool. Sorry, Dale, we

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love it that much. Yeah,
we just love it, love it,

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love it. Thank you so much, And of course heard from a lot

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of people who love it too,
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that is right well, Alehandra,
thank you for letting me be here.

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That is it for the news.
Remember to check out these stories and more

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at open minds dot tv, your
source for UFO related news. I'm Jason

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McLellan, your Open Minds News correspondent, and you've been briefed back to you

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all are right. Thank you,
Jason. You know, something someone asked

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about in the chat was about the
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ask about that with Frank Kimbler because
he was going to get it looked at

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again. He's still in the process
of working that out, so working out

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with a different because it's complicated.
You got to work with the lab,

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you got to work with the people
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he's working on all of that to
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done and I'll let you know when
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other stories that you can find on
our website are just today I've posted one

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about a box shape UFO report from
New Hampshire in nineteen sixty six. This

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story was put together by Michael Stratt, but it's actually from the Nightcap files

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and the Kufos UFO files, and
that's a very interesting story. It comes

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with some great artistic renderings of this
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that is very boxy in shape,
and it supposedly land had landed on the

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ground. He saw it, it
raised up and kind of moved and landed

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again. And very interesting sighting and
cool pictures and very strange shape. Someone

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was pretty funny when we posted it. He wrote that perhaps they were so

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excited when they got their new spaceship
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they flew it around, because it
looks like a cardboard box, so pretty

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funny. Also, we have a
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as we told you last week,
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that happened last Sunday, so just
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Well, we were able to find
a video in our archives, and actually

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it was something that was provided by
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with us, and it's an interview
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with Bud Hopkins that hasn't been seen
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was used for Italian television, so
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put a lot of the video of
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will be able to click a link
with a short story from Antonio about Bud

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Hopkins. He actually knew him fairly
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area together for a while, So
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can see the video and the interviews
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tapes were very well preserved. I
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were brought here by Marizio, and
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to transfer it to a high quality
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rare instances where you'll see Bud Hopkins
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very casual guy, so you'll be
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have some more stories from the UK
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you about Ralph Noyes last week,
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Undersecretary of State for the UK who
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kind of harassing the government about UFOs
while he was in the military. He

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says he didn't talk about UFOs because
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as he said that they would make
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waited until he retired and then really
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who also, I mean, this
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he was in charge of defense,
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for NATO, lots of very high
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then when he was in the House
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and stuff, he began to also
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we have some of the good quotes
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with the mod very concerned that they
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they're absolutely absurd to say things like
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cases are not of national interest,
because, as he puts it, he

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knows defense, he was in charge
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that these are things that should be
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can really this battle is documented in
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so we put those out, and
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up where I kind of outline all
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were interested in UFO's high level officials, and that is very well demonstrated here

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in the uk UFO files, that
Ralph Noys, Lord Hill Norton and of

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course our good buddy Nick Pope who
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feel that UFOs need to be taken
seriously. So that's some of what you

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can find at the site and around
the web that we've been up to.

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However, why don't we move on, because I got a lot to talk

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to Lee about and get Lee Spiegel
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have on the phone the person everybody
has been waiting to hear from, and

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I am, as usual excited to
speak to mister Lee Spiegel. Hello there,

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Well, thank you for that glorious
introduction. Well, I think it's

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deserving because you and I wonder if
you feel this way, you're kind of

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uphologies champion in conventional media, at
least nationally. Well, boy, that's

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an interesting way to think about it. I mean, I've been doing this

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whatever this is for a long time, and it's like, it's amazing that

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I'm working for such a big news
organization, the Huffington Post, and that

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they're actually letting me write as many
UFO stories as I want. Yeah,

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which is really cool. I mean, Huffington Post is one of the main

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leading online news sources right. Oh, absolutely, And in fact it's probably

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the biggest news online source for blogging
news events. And I don't remember when,

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but at some point I believe Huffington
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as far as leadership or Yeah,
it's it's amazing. We have so many

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different divisions, and they seem to
like the fact that UFO stories have such

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a big broad appeal. Yeah,
well, I followed them. I've always

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been a fan of Ariana Huffington anyway. I was surprised when Huffington Post went

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online and it started doing what it's
doing now and becoming kind of this hub.

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They're definitely on the cutting edge of
social media integration into news, There's

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no doubt about that. Yeah,
I think you're right, yeah, so

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it's very cool to see you who
of course I was singing you on the

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AOL News, which is another national
group. So that was great to then

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move over to the Huffington Post.
And you said there was something to that

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that you guys were kind of lucky
to be able to make the move we

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were before there was a there was
a merger in fact between Huffington Post and

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AOL News and it just just happened
within the last few months, and the

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companies came together to form what is
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and so we have people from both
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I might write for the Huffington Post
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I do is for Huffington Post, and

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I'm very happy about that because it
has a big readership all around the world,

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and I want my stuff to get
out there and to be read by

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as many people as possible, and
not everybody. Is it true that they

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didn't take all of the arment from
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way it worked, without getting too
much into you know, all of the

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logistics of it. Basically, AOL
had its own separate news divisions and style

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divisions and different sections of people who
were writing. And when the merger happened,

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it just didn't make sense for there'd
be one big company with with like

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two newsrooms, two news divisions to
this and to that, and so they

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did a lot of consolidation. And
the section from AOL that they kept because

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Huffington Posts didn't have their own weird
news section was that's that's where I was

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writing at AOL. I think because
they they understand that there is there's a

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big interest in all things weird,
not just UFOs, but people, you

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know Aljuna, people get sick and
tired of reading about tax hikes and mortgage

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foreclosures and unemployment and global warming.
They want something, you know, occasionally

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it's a little more weird. You
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news is that, you know,
I, of course I'm into UFOs and

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stuff. They put it in a
weird At first you're kind of like,

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oh, that's too bad they put
it in weird, but at least they're

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covering it. And stuff in paranormal
in general is in the UFO or in

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the weird news, And by looking
at the weird news, that made me

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think what's funny is pretty much everybody
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have something about themselves that's unconventional.
Not everybody is just totally conventional on everything

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they do. They have interests that
are considered weird to others. Oh oh

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yeah. I mean we have people
literally crawling out of the woodwork who want

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to have stories written about them.
There is a guy, he's a lot

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00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:04.119
of our favorites. He's known as
the lizard Man, and he basically he's

405
00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:07.599
something like ninety nine percent of his
body has been transformed, so he looks

406
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:14.240
like a lizard. He had he
had his tongue lengthened and split into two.

407
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:17.559
He's got horns growing out of out
of his forehead that he had surgically,

408
00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:22.480
you know, implanted. His entire
body has his tattoos that actually make

409
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:28.759
him look like the creature from the
Black Lagoon. Wow. In fact,

410
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:32.759
a couple of months ago when we
when we were doing one of the stories

411
00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:37.400
where some people were claiming that a
lizard man had attacked them in one of

412
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:39.720
the southern states. Well, I
called this guy a lizard man just to

413
00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:46.319
get his take on it. That's
just my brother Kuk. Yeah, that's

414
00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:50.880
that's right. We haven't seen each
other in an eternity, but it's good

415
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:54.880
that we're both in the news.
Oh that is really funny because of course

416
00:32:54.920 --> 00:33:00.240
with all the littered reptilian type of
ideas, it'd be interesting to get a

417
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:08.039
take on reptilian aliens. I know, I know, reptilian aliens. Yeah,

418
00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:14.000
News at eleven. So, you
know, for me, it was

419
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:17.079
exciting, of course to see you
come up because and become a start to

420
00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:22.279
write on this major national in AOL
and now in Huffington, because really there

421
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:28.319
aren't a lot of people who like
you make it kind of a point to

422
00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:37.279
regularly report on in a serious manner
the serious and important UFO stories that come

423
00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:45.599
up. Well, I've been discovering
more and more as I cover different stories

424
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:52.680
that it's not just the bare bones
story itself. It's interesting, but I'm

425
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:57.480
seeing that when you put the story
aside and you see what's really behind the

426
00:33:57.519 --> 00:34:01.200
scenes or the aftermath of stories,
that's what's really interesting to me. The

427
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:07.680
History Channel just premiered, and they're
probably going to show this many times throughout

428
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:14.400
the month, a two hour special
about UFOs, and I wrote two stories

429
00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:20.639
about the special and the people involved
in it, and discovered as I was

430
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:25.199
putting the stories together that there was
so much more to the cases than just

431
00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:30.360
the cases themselves. And that's what's
always interesting to me, because I think

432
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:37.000
the American people would like to hear
more things that are credible to help them

433
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:40.880
make up their minds about what the
whole UFO subject is all about. What

434
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:45.960
would be an example of that kind
of this peripheral that you discovered. Okay,

435
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:52.320
here's a perfect example. In the
History Channel special, they do a

436
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:57.760
recreation of a famous UFO case.
And I remember when this news broke.

437
00:34:58.239 --> 00:35:01.000
It was at the end of nineteen
eighty and it was it was all of

438
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:09.519
the mainstream news of how the crew
of a japan Airlines seven seven were flying

439
00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:20.000
over Alaska when they reported being followed
and paced by first two small UFOs and

440
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:27.079
then they vanished and those were replaced
by a gigantic circular craft has followed them

441
00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:31.079
for miles and was out maneuvering them, out pacing them, doing just amazing

442
00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:35.840
things, you know, things that
the planet Venus wouldn't do, as the

443
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:39.880
debunkers might say, was the cause
of it. All, and they asked

444
00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:44.800
for anchorage air traffic controller. You
know, do you guys have any any

445
00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:50.199
other traffic up here? The anchorage
radar operators didn't have it on their radar

446
00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:53.760
scopes, but when they checked with
the local military base, the military said

447
00:35:53.800 --> 00:36:00.719
that they had uncorrelated targets up there
with the seven forty seven. And so

448
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:05.400
this dialogue went on for a while, and the radar reports were there.

449
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:13.760
The radar was picking up these extra
targets. Eventually the UFOs vanished, but

450
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:17.239
not before doing this for thirty thirty
one minutes, so it was a pretty

451
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:25.800
long encounter. So shortly after that, the news of the encounter was brought

452
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:30.440
to the attention of a man named
John Callahan. Callahan was the head of

453
00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:37.679
the FAA, the Federal Aviation Administrations. They had a special division that handled

454
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:42.840
accidents, investigations, and evaluations.
This was his job to look into any

455
00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:47.920
anomalistic things that happened with airlines.
And he got ahold of all the radar

456
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:55.679
tapes, all the audio tapes between
the crew and the air traffic controllers,

457
00:36:55.960 --> 00:37:00.400
and he went through everything and at
one point, and here's where for me

458
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:06.119
the story gets really interesting. So
he got a call from the CIA,

459
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:09.639
and he said, and they said, we need to have a meeting with

460
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:14.320
you tomorrow, be at such and
such a place and bring all the materials

461
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:16.559
that you have on this case with
you. So he packed everything up,

462
00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:23.880
went to the pre arranged location.
There were three CIA men there, couple

463
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:30.519
from the FBI, and several members
of President Ronald Reagan's scientific team, and

464
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:37.840
Callahan three times went over the details
of the UFO case, about the seven

465
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:43.440
forty seven. He played back all
the tapes, showed them all the radar

466
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:49.920
screens three times, and finally,
when it was all done, one of

467
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:53.440
the scientists, he said, stood
up and said, okay, this is

468
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:57.920
what we want. We were picking
everything up and we're taking it with us.

469
00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:04.880
And the CIA guy stood up and
looked at Callahan and said, this

470
00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:10.400
event never happened, We would never
hear. And you're also worn to secrecy,

471
00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:15.760
and we're taking everything with us.
His arm, you're sworn to secrecy.

472
00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:22.039
Yeah, And so Callahan told me, and he has he has spoken

473
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:25.400
about this now recently. He basically
said. He turned to the CIA guy

474
00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:30.320
and he said, well, what
what was this object that you're also interested

475
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:36.119
in? And the CIA guy said
it was a UFO and Callahan said,

476
00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:40.559
well, then shouldn't we put out
some word to the media to let them

477
00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:45.599
know that there was an actual UFO
event, And the CIA guy said,

478
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:47.280
no, you can't do that.
We won't allow you to do that.

479
00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:54.000
We can't let that information out because
the American people can't handle it, like

480
00:38:54.119 --> 00:39:01.400
WHOA, Okay, Well, luckily
Callahan kept copies of that the radar data.

481
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:07.079
Yes he did, Yes he did, and that's been shown on previous

482
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:13.920
History Channels specials and you can see
this stuff. But again, the other

483
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:19.440
interesting thing that he told me was
for the final ten years of the work

484
00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:25.079
that he did for the FAA in
the government, he was involved with disinformation,

485
00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:30.519
lying to the media and lying to
the public about things like this.

486
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:37.599
He said, disinformation is something that
is approved by the government. That Callahan

487
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:44.159
was involved with this, Yeah,
he actually I was involved with disinformation,

488
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:47.800
and now that I'm retired, now
I'm talking about it so like as the

489
00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:53.000
official Yeah, and that's the kind
of stuff that I'm very interested in,

490
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:59.920
because it almost doesn't matter what the
skeptics or the bunkers say if you haven't

491
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:06.159
case where people are really investigating this. The CIA is involved, the FBI,

492
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:13.719
people on the President's scientific team,
and and someone from the FAA.

493
00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:20.679
FAA says he was doing deliberate disinformation. Then that's really important. Even Nick

494
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:24.320
Pope, our friend from who used
to work at the Ministry of Defense in

495
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:29.920
Great Britain for three years, he
was in charge of all of the UFO

496
00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:32.519
material that came through the Ministry of
Defense, and he told me a few

497
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:39.280
weeks ago that right now he's apologizing
for the fact that he was involved with

498
00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:47.079
dirty tricks that the British government was
playing on the media and the public to

499
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:52.760
ridicule UFO reports. And again I
hear this kind of stuff and I go,

500
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:57.599
wow, you know what's really going
on here? Wow, yeah,

501
00:40:57.679 --> 00:41:02.360
it is that. And I didn't
know about Callahan being part of that disinformation.

502
00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:05.519
Yeah, And it made me think
of Nick Pope, who said he

503
00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:10.400
was also and he even apologized for
it. That was what was incredibout about

504
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:16.239
at interview with you. He actually
came out and apologized, he did.

505
00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:24.679
And the documents Great Britain recently released
a few weeks ago, I think thirty

506
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:30.400
four new files of previously classified UFO
documents, with a total of about nine

507
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:37.880
thousand pages worth of documents, and
they covered the years nineteen eighty five to

508
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:43.880
two thousand and seven, well those
years the three years that Nick was in

509
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:47.920
charge of the UFO office there for
the Ministry of Defense nineteen ninety one to

510
00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:52.000
nineteen ninety four, so he was
right there, embroiled in everything while it

511
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:57.000
was going on for these documents,
and he said to me, he said,

512
00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:05.199
it's entirely possible that ifted some of
those actual reports where we deliberately ridiculed

513
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:09.880
the reporters and the stories, and
for that, I'm deeply apologizing. M

514
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:15.599
Yeah, it's kind of shocking,
you know, And at the same time,

515
00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:22.440
it just reminds me with the with
Callahan. What it reminds me of

516
00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:28.320
is the Chicago hair report, because
when the Chicago O'Hare incident happened in two

517
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:32.000
thousand and six. I know you
spoke with George Nori about this last week.

518
00:42:32.079 --> 00:42:38.880
Actually, I heard you on that
great show and that the FAA had

519
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:45.239
like to the Chicago Tribune investigator who
was looking into this case at first until

520
00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:49.119
they put in a Foyer request,
and then they came out and said,

521
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:51.519
okay, yeah, we did have
radar data, but it was probably a

522
00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:57.960
weather anomaly, right right, a
weather anomaly that hovers over the airport.

523
00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:02.199
It's circular in shape, mean by
several eyewitnesses. And then when it leaves,

524
00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:06.440
it doesn't just go to the left, to the right. It shoots

525
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:09.239
straight up into the air. And
as it goes through a cloud, it's

526
00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:15.039
like a paper cutter it or a
cookie cutter. It cuts a perfectly circular

527
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:21.480
hole through the cloud as it moves
upward. Now, with the in this

528
00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:25.880
case and with the FAA, they
had to come clean because of FOYA documents.

529
00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:30.719
However, the United Airlines never came
clean. They said, oh no,

530
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:34.599
nothing happened. Nobody reported to anything
to us. But the Chicago Tribune

531
00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:39.480
talked to United employees and pilots who
did say they reported that to their superiors.

532
00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:44.639
Do you feel that, you know, with with Callahan talking about this

533
00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:50.679
information, Nick Pope and the FAA
and United, do you feel that there's

534
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:54.679
some sort of conspiracy or do you
think it's more of a conspiracy to not

535
00:43:54.880 --> 00:44:01.360
make them look silly. I'm not
sure if either of those things. Alejandro,

536
00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:09.719
I keep hearing this phrase code of
silence, and I think what maybe

537
00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:16.039
happening is a couple of things,
a couple of possibilities I don't think it's

538
00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:22.840
a conspiracy unless, by definition,
conspiracy means you have information about something which

539
00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:27.000
could affect a lot of people,
and therefore you don't tell them the truth

540
00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:30.360
about it because you don't want to
affect their lives in a negative way.

541
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:37.199
So therefore that could be a conspiracy. You're conspiring against getting the truth out.

542
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:40.840
Okay, maybe that means that there
is a conspiracy. But on the

543
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:47.320
other hand, there are people who
wonder, well, why don't the UFOs

544
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:52.000
just show themselves, because they must
know that they're causing havoc down here,

545
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:58.880
appearing in front of so many people. Well my response to that is,

546
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:07.440
you know, is it possible that
anybody really on the planet knows the agenda

547
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:12.320
of whatever these visitors are? Uh
huh? You know, because you know,

548
00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:15.079
we always like to think that we're
in charge of everything, we know

549
00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:17.840
everything that's going on, We're the
smartest guy's around, were the only ones

550
00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:23.440
on the block, and it unnerves
people to realize we're not. Yeah.

551
00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:28.000
Steve Bolk, I don't know if
you've noticed his book. He's a writer

552
00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:35.239
for Philly bourbs Or and he wrote
a book about fringeology, just kind of

553
00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:37.360
how he looked into ghosts, and
he thought it was legitimate. He looked

554
00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:43.159
into other paranormal stuff. So he
wrote this book kind of examining just exactly

555
00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:46.000
what you're talking about. How,
Yeah, in society, we have to

556
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:52.159
know everything, and it's probably okay
to admit that we don't know everything,

557
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:58.440
because it's absolutely silly to think that
we do know everything. I mean,

558
00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:02.599
there was there was a time in
this country around the time of the nineteen

559
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:08.840
thirties when the Orson Welles presentation of
War of the World came out and people

560
00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:13.400
who heard the radio broadcast went into
a panic because they thought that we actually

561
00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:19.679
were being invaded by Mars. There
is that mentality, or there was that

562
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:27.480
mentality that told higher ups, the
officials of the government, that maybe if

563
00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:30.199
the truth were to come out that
were being visited by someone, that maybe

564
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:35.679
the American public or the public around
the world would not be able to handle

565
00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:43.400
this kind of information because it could
automatically change everything society, religion, technology.

566
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:49.280
And yet there are so many people
now who say that not only are

567
00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:54.679
they ready to know about any possible
visitations, but now people are claiming that

568
00:46:54.800 --> 00:47:00.559
the reason why we're not being told
the truth is because of things like,

569
00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:05.159
well, the technology. If there's
a technology out there that can really help

570
00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:10.079
us do amazing things like maybe run
our automobiles without gasoline and use some other

571
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:15.320
power source, well, would the
oil companies want that to be known?

572
00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:22.440
Probably not. If there's a technology
or civilization that have learned how to eliminate

573
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:27.519
sickness and disease and they want to
share that with us, well, if

574
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:30.639
that happens and there is no more
sickness and disease on planet Earth, then

575
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:37.920
do we need the pharmaceutical divisions and
companies. Probably not. I think that

576
00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:42.400
makes a lot more sense. Because
we are an economic based, not just

577
00:47:42.519 --> 00:47:49.079
society in America globally now, and
so it seems most things are driven by

578
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:53.519
economics, then that would be an
economic reason why people would want to hide

579
00:47:55.199 --> 00:48:01.480
this technology. Yeah, and you
know the all the arguments that say,

580
00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:07.679
well, nobody's visiting us because they
couldn't possibly get here from there, Well,

581
00:48:08.199 --> 00:48:13.599
really is that true? Do we
know for a fact that nobody could

582
00:48:13.679 --> 00:48:20.480
get here? See? You and
I mutually know nuclear physicists Stanton Friedman,

583
00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:27.440
and he likes to say that when
people say, well that bit of UFO

584
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:30.760
behavior is impossible, what they're really
saying is I don't know how to do

585
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:35.840
that, right, you know,
and if I don't know how to do

586
00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:39.639
it, then it must be impossible. I always think that you Yeah,

587
00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:43.599
oh, I was just going to
say, you know, these people who

588
00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:46.559
take these stances, I kind of
laugh at it as opposed to get so

589
00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:52.119
frustrated, because I mean, the
skeptics. I don't know why someone would

590
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:55.800
want to label themselves a skeptic,
because those are the people who in history

591
00:48:57.119 --> 00:49:00.920
are the complete fools, Like the
people that say we can can't buy or

592
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:06.320
that to break the sound barrier is
impossible. They're seeing its complete full in

593
00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:10.519
the future. Yeah, it's like
the these are the people who apparently enjoy

594
00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:15.079
having eggs smewed all over their faces. Yeah, they're just asking for it.

595
00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:20.519
And it's funny because they complain about, you know, assumptions being made

596
00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:25.480
on the side of UFO researchers,
but those are pretty assumptive things themselves.

597
00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:30.360
To say that these things are impossible
and we don't know that at all.

598
00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:37.639
Well, it's like, let's let's
remember everybody that we as as a species,

599
00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:44.280
we've only been we've only had any
kind of sophisticated technology for what two

600
00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:50.320
or three hundred years at the most. So what if there's another civilization or

601
00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:55.920
as as astronomers love to now theorize, there are probably tens of thousands of

602
00:49:57.000 --> 00:50:01.320
other civilizations just in our little Milky
Way galaxy. So what if a couple

603
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:07.719
of other civilizations that might be might
be a few hundred a few thousand years

604
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:13.239
older and slightly more advanced than we
are. So they've had a little bit

605
00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:19.760
of a head start or a kickstart. So wouldn't they possibly have many more

606
00:50:19.840 --> 00:50:22.960
amazing things that would appear to be
amazing to us? Of course they would.

607
00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:30.559
So if they do have amazing technology, then chances are they've figured out

608
00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:36.039
how to get here from there.
Just because just because we're still using you

609
00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:39.639
know, propulsion systems to have to
launch something from the ground to get us

610
00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:46.119
into orbit. Just because we haven't
gotten to warp speed yet or hyperdrive doesn't

611
00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:51.840
mean we're not going to. But
so you have to keep it in that

612
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:57.599
perspective. Because we don't know how
to do it yet doesn't mean somebody else

613
00:50:57.960 --> 00:51:01.719
knows how to do it. Now, I wanted to get into your past.

614
00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:07.960
I wanted to know, Yeah,
let's go back to when you were

615
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:13.159
roam in the street of New York
in your velvet with your switchblade in your

616
00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:20.039
back pocket. No, uh huh, oh did I you have to protect

617
00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:23.760
yourself in New York City? Yeah? When was it that you first got

618
00:51:23.800 --> 00:51:30.360
interested in UFOs? Nineteen seventy three, the year I was born. Just

619
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:35.320
because of that, that's right.
I got this message. I heard someone

620
00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:39.639
named Alejandro has just come into our
reality and you will. You will intermingle

621
00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:45.440
with him in about thirty years,
and you will come to find the answers

622
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:51.360
to all the UFO secrets. That's
right, that's right, And we're getting

623
00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:57.360
closer and closer. I was.
I was actually working in the music industry,

624
00:51:58.039 --> 00:52:05.719
and in nineteen seven three there was
a very big wave of UFO scene

625
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:08.519
across the United States, just a
lot of sightings. It was making the

626
00:52:08.559 --> 00:52:15.079
news. Talk shows were talking about
them, and it just kind of caught

627
00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:23.559
my attention. And I started seeing
people like Stan Friedman, the late astronomer,

628
00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:30.960
Alan Heinek, astronaut Gordon Cooper on
a couple of talk shows, and

629
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:34.480
I thought, boy, this is
really interesting. And I found a few

630
00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:40.400
books. I started reading about them
and became even more intrigued. And the

631
00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:46.559
more I read, the more I
wanted to hear from these people that I

632
00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:52.239
was reading about. And at the
time, in nineteen seventy three, seventy

633
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:55.599
three, and seventy four, there
was really nothing going on where you could

634
00:52:55.639 --> 00:53:00.440
just go into a store and buy
a DVD because there were no DVDs back

635
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:05.119
then. There weren't There weren't even
really any videos. Back then. People

636
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:12.920
were saying DVDs aren't possible, that
the DVDs can't get here from there,

637
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:21.599
and and so. But what what
you could do was you could hear things.

638
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:24.000
You could buy records, you know, back then, uh you could

639
00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:30.239
buy there are actually stores, many
stores where you could buy vinyl records.

640
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:35.199
So I came up with this idea
of wouldn't it be nice to be able

641
00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:38.039
to hear the voices of some of
these people I've been reading about, some

642
00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:45.440
military people, some astronauts, some
scientists and police officers, and some government

643
00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:49.360
officials. It would be great to
hear them all together on a record,

644
00:53:49.519 --> 00:53:52.599
on a recording. I would like
to hear that, and I think other

645
00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:59.360
people would too. So I was
able to get a meeting an audience at

646
00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:05.559
the CB Yes, because CBS at
the time they were they had a division

647
00:54:05.679 --> 00:54:13.079
called Columbia House, and what Columbia
House was a division of recordings where they

648
00:54:13.119 --> 00:54:19.079
would have television commercials at night where
you'd see like a two minute commercial the

649
00:54:19.119 --> 00:54:22.719
great Montevani strings and orchestras, you
know, the best of Perry Como,

650
00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:30.760
you know, the best classical music
on two vinyl records. And they would

651
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:35.559
have these these like early infommercials,
but they were only a couple of minutes

652
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:39.000
long, where if you send you
can you can get either the vinyl record,

653
00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:42.960
and if you don't want the record, you can get She'd do any

654
00:54:43.519 --> 00:54:49.239
any people still understand or remember eight
track tapes? Just because my stepdad was

655
00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:53.719
using them up until five years ago. That's why. Sure. So I

656
00:54:53.760 --> 00:54:57.280
thought, well, this would be
great and if I could get an audience

657
00:54:57.320 --> 00:55:02.719
at CBS and try and convince them
them to give me some money so that

658
00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:10.440
I could travel around the country and
interview these people I was reading about.

659
00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:15.920
But I needed a partner, and
one of the more popular books out at

660
00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:22.239
the time was called Beyond Earth Man's
Contact with UFOs, and it was written

661
00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:28.000
by Ralph and Judy Blum, and
I became friendly with him in New York

662
00:55:28.719 --> 00:55:35.000
and together we did a presentation at
CBS, and Ralph really helped to sell

663
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:40.719
the company on the idea that if
we put this record album together, we

664
00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:45.639
could do a TV commercial for it, because I wanted to sell it on

665
00:55:45.719 --> 00:55:51.760
TV. And basically, if you
send in your money and get the album

666
00:55:51.960 --> 00:55:54.599
or the eight track, you'll also
get a copy of Beyond Earth. Man's

667
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:59.280
contact with the UFOs, and it
was one of those things where if you

668
00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:02.199
get the package and the mail and
if you don't like the album, send

669
00:56:02.199 --> 00:56:10.079
the album back, but keep the
book, you know. And CBS went

670
00:56:10.119 --> 00:56:15.559
for it. They said, yes, this is interesting because no one had

671
00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:22.440
ever sold a product like this about
UFOs and actual documentary on television. Have

672
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:27.280
you gotten those commercials up on YouTube
yet? No? Man, I'd like

673
00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:31.519
to see that. That's very funny, you know, because we made one

674
00:56:31.519 --> 00:56:38.159
commercial and I have it. I
haven't thought that would be great. Wow,

675
00:56:38.440 --> 00:56:43.400
that's that's very interesting. I may
have I'm none. You mentioned that

676
00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:49.280
I may have to like upload that
to YouTube. Well, what's cool about

677
00:56:49.599 --> 00:56:55.519
about that commercial was while I was
running around the country and interviewing people,

678
00:56:55.559 --> 00:57:00.000
and the people that I was interviewing
for my album were all people who were

679
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:04.599
featured in Ralph's book, so he
helped to set me up with these people,

680
00:57:05.199 --> 00:57:08.440
so that was just really great.
And so as I was traveling around

681
00:57:08.440 --> 00:57:13.920
the country and talking to them,
I realized, I'm going to have to

682
00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:17.280
find a host for the album,
somebody who's going to be the narrator of

683
00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:25.239
this thing. And my first choice
at the time was Rod Serling, because

684
00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:31.199
the Twilight Zone was still very hot
back then and it's still hot in reruns

685
00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:38.760
everywhere. But as it turned out, in nineteen seventy five, Serling was

686
00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:45.679
very sick with cancer and so his
family informed me that he wouldn't be able

687
00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:51.480
to do it, and soon after
that he passed away. So my second

688
00:57:51.559 --> 00:57:57.199
choice of the narrator for the album
was a guy who I liked just as

689
00:57:57.280 --> 00:58:00.960
much as Rod Serling. When The
Twilight Zone on TV programs came out in

690
00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:07.840
the late fifties and early sixties,
at the same time, another show came

691
00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:13.960
out called One Step Beyond, and
in One Step Beyond, like the Twilight

692
00:58:14.039 --> 00:58:17.760
Zone, used a lot of unknown
actors who later became very famous actors.

693
00:58:19.159 --> 00:58:22.679
The difference between the two shows was
where Rod Serling introduced stories that were just

694
00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:30.519
totally science fiction, totally bizarre,
One Step Beyond introduced stories based on real

695
00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:37.679
unexplained phenomena and psychic events, and
the director and the host, the on

696
00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:43.119
camera host of One Step Beyond was
a man named John Newland, and he

697
00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:46.960
used to just come out on camera
introduce these stories. Then you'd see him

698
00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:52.679
within the actual sets of some of
the stories. He'd be narrating it,

699
00:58:52.760 --> 00:58:55.320
just the same way that Rod Serling
did with The Twilight Zone. And so

700
00:58:55.559 --> 00:59:02.039
I went to California and I met
John Newland, which was amazing for me

701
00:59:02.119 --> 00:59:07.719
to meet him, and over a
lunch and a handshake, he agreed to

702
00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:12.599
be the narrator for my album How
Cool. It was very cool, and

703
00:59:13.239 --> 00:59:19.320
we brought him to New York UH
to read the copy of the two minute

704
00:59:19.320 --> 00:59:24.000
commercial as well as the actual copy
of the narration of the album, and

705
00:59:24.039 --> 00:59:29.639
he came to New York to do
the two minute commercial spot and they put

706
00:59:29.639 --> 00:59:35.880
the commercial on TV, and the
commercial ran on television, it ran in

707
00:59:35.960 --> 00:59:42.159
the National Enquirer. We had a
couple of commercials there and sold it in

708
00:59:42.199 --> 00:59:45.119
a few other places. Doctor j. Allen Heinek loved the final product and

709
00:59:45.159 --> 00:59:51.039
he arranged for it to be sold
through the Edmund Scientific Catalog. I mean,

710
00:59:51.360 --> 00:59:57.000
I was, oh, did you
no? Go ahead? Go ahead?

711
00:59:57.039 --> 00:59:59.480
I was going to ask if you
interviewed Stanton Friedman. Back then.

712
01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:06.280
Stan Friedman was the first person I
ever interviewed about UFOs and it was for

713
01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:09.920
my album Oh Wow. The reason
I asked is because about six years ago

714
01:00:10.440 --> 01:00:14.280
he came and did a talk.
I was living in Denver then, and

715
01:00:14.360 --> 01:00:17.079
I was like, do you mind? It was for Colorado Mufon I was

716
01:00:17.199 --> 01:00:20.239
part of that, and I was
like, do you mind if I record

717
01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:22.960
this? I want to put it
online. And he looked at me funny,

718
01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:27.000
and he says, you can do
that. I was like, I

719
01:00:27.039 --> 01:00:30.840
told him I have the technology,
and he was like, yeah, that's

720
01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:36.039
great. It was pretty funny because
here you are, you know, thirty

721
01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:39.440
years prior, and you're recording him
and putting him on fine of Oh well,

722
01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:45.760
I got to tell you when when
CBS gave me the money to travel

723
01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:49.519
around the country, the first thing
I did with some of that money was

724
01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:52.920
I had to buy a recorder,
you know, on which to make all

725
01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:58.760
the recordings. And I wanted something
that was compact. I wanted like a

726
01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:05.320
high quality cassette recorder that had Dolby
in it, that could reduce any background

727
01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:09.199
noise, and and and so I
bought this this uh, this sony tape

728
01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:15.559
recorder. It was so big and
it was so heavy it almost tore my

729
01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:19.679
shoulder blades apart, you know,
trying to trying to carry it on and

730
01:01:19.719 --> 01:01:23.000
off a plane. The thing the
thing was was about a foot and a

731
01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:30.719
half wide, about seven inches high, and it may must have weighed like

732
01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:37.199
seventy five pounds. And it's its
only function was to put a tape in

733
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:42.239
close the close the compartment and hit
record. Oh my gosh, that's so

734
01:01:42.400 --> 01:01:45.960
funny. Why did they have like
a vacuum tubes in it? And well,

735
01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:47.719
I felt like I could have made
toast with it. I mean,

736
01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:52.880
it came down all kinds of things. So I traveled around with this thing,

737
01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:59.199
I mean, a huge, heavy
recorder. And and so, in

738
01:01:59.320 --> 01:02:02.679
planning my trips about where I wanted
to go and who I wanted to interview,

739
01:02:04.360 --> 01:02:08.880
I thought that I would start in
California and work east and arranging people's

740
01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:15.239
schedules. So it turned out that
Stan Friedman, who lived in California at

741
01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:19.639
the time, he was available,
and so I went and I met him,

742
01:02:19.679 --> 01:02:22.960
went to his house, met him, and this was nineteen seventy five,

743
01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:27.480
and when I was done doing my
interview with him, and I was

744
01:02:27.480 --> 01:02:30.880
so impressed with him, because here
we are almost forty years later. He

745
01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:37.599
and I are still friends, and
he's always stayed consistent with his views and

746
01:02:37.639 --> 01:02:42.519
the things that he has to say
about UFOs. And so while I was

747
01:02:42.559 --> 01:02:45.239
there interviewing them him, he said, you know, there's a guy just

748
01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:50.639
up the road here who you might
want to talk to. Also. He's

749
01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:54.840
an aerospace engineer, spent forty three
years working for McDonnell douglas and his name

750
01:02:54.920 --> 01:03:01.079
is doctor Robert Wood. Wow.
Robert Wood is on the board of directors

751
01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:06.360
of Mouffon. Yeah, he's a
guy. You know. He spent a

752
01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:09.559
lot of years at McDonald douglas.
And one of the things that one of

753
01:03:09.639 --> 01:03:15.559
the first tasks that he did at
McDonald douglas, he was given the job

754
01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:21.280
of trying to figure out putting a
team together to try and figure out how

755
01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:30.199
these things called UFOs possibly worked to
see if McDonald douglas could somehow engineer similar

756
01:03:30.280 --> 01:03:35.960
craft. So that's why in California
probably Well, what he what Robert Wood

757
01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:42.679
did was he hired Stan Friedman and
it was the first paying job that freedman

758
01:03:42.760 --> 01:03:47.400
ever had in UFOs and it didn't
Unfortunately, it got canceled before it I

759
01:03:47.440 --> 01:03:52.039
think. Yeah. So after I
interviewed Stan Freeman and Robert Wood, then

760
01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:59.039
I went up to Hollywood and the
interviewed Gordon Cooper, the former astronaut.

761
01:03:59.199 --> 01:04:02.960
Wow. And that was the first
time that Gordon went on record, literally

762
01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:09.039
on record on vinyl record, Yeah, to talk about UFOs he had seen

763
01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:13.559
and about the UFO that had landed
out on the dry lake bed at Edward's

764
01:04:13.599 --> 01:04:17.159
Air Force Base. Only only Wow, that's the first time that that story

765
01:04:17.199 --> 01:04:24.760
ever came out. And so then
then I started moving around the country.

766
01:04:24.800 --> 01:04:29.760
Then I went to Chicago to interview
doctor David Saunders, who was a member

767
01:04:29.800 --> 01:04:32.679
of the Condon Committee in the nineteen
sixties. And while I was there,

768
01:04:32.719 --> 01:04:36.800
that's when I met Alan Heinex.
I interviewed Alan Heinek for my record.

769
01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:41.480
I was just moving around and just
talking to people. It was great.

770
01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:45.000
So and then at some point,
and I don't know, let me know

771
01:04:45.039 --> 01:04:49.280
if anything else that significant you were
involved with happened in between, but then

772
01:04:49.400 --> 01:04:56.119
you got involved with the Unit initiative. Yeah. After the album was done

773
01:04:56.159 --> 01:05:01.480
and we premiered it in nineteen seventy
six, I started getting bored. It's

774
01:05:01.519 --> 01:05:08.039
like I wanted to do something else
because I realized, you know, back

775
01:05:08.039 --> 01:05:14.039
then, nobody was using the word
disclosure, and yet the album that I

776
01:05:14.079 --> 01:05:19.760
did was one of the first forms
of disclosure I believe, right, And

777
01:05:19.159 --> 01:05:27.119
so around nineteen so the album came
out in seventy six, and then around

778
01:05:27.159 --> 01:05:32.159
seventy seven, I started noticing in
the news that this guy named Eric Gary,

779
01:05:32.280 --> 01:05:39.400
the Prime Minister of the tiny Caribbean
country of Grenada. He was trying

780
01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:45.440
to get the United Nations to pay
attention to his own personal UFO crusade.

781
01:05:45.519 --> 01:05:50.000
He wanted to form some kind of
a UFO committee based on the fact that

782
01:05:50.079 --> 01:05:55.599
he had seen UFOs in his country. Many other people in his country had

783
01:05:55.639 --> 01:06:00.599
seen them, and he thought that
this would be probably good form in this

784
01:06:00.679 --> 01:06:06.320
country as well. And the United
Nations very politely paid attention every time you

785
01:06:06.400 --> 01:06:11.960
went and did a speech and started
talking about UFOs, but nobody ever did

786
01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:15.679
anything about it. So I got
an idea. I thought, well,

787
01:06:15.679 --> 01:06:19.960
this is great, Maybe somehow I
could get to the United Nations and do

788
01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:26.360
a presentation. Because I asked a
few people around and I was told if

789
01:06:26.360 --> 01:06:29.280
you want to do something at the
un if you want to do a presentation

790
01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:31.440
on anything, you can't just walk
in off the street and say Hi,

791
01:06:31.519 --> 01:06:34.800
can I do something on UFOs please. They won't let you do it.

792
01:06:35.360 --> 01:06:42.159
You have to be either part of
a specific delegation that's doing this, or

793
01:06:42.199 --> 01:06:47.880
you have to be like an associate
delegate or a temporary delegate. And so

794
01:06:48.519 --> 01:06:55.320
I met a couple of the Ambassadors
of Grenada. I basically I just went

795
01:06:55.360 --> 01:06:58.880
to the mission, the Grenada Mission
in New York, and I brought with

796
01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:05.239
me a copy of my UFO album
from nineteen seventy six, and I said

797
01:07:05.239 --> 01:07:11.400
to I'd like to present this to
your Prime Minister as a gift. This

798
01:07:11.480 --> 01:07:15.320
is what I did and there are
some amazing people on this album. Would

799
01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:17.400
you please give the Prime Minister this? And I'd love to meet him sometime.

800
01:07:17.760 --> 01:07:21.760
I can't talk to the album that
I'm going to be really hipped too.

801
01:07:24.559 --> 01:07:30.960
That's right, it'll climb the charts
of Grenada. Well, not long

802
01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:35.599
after that, the Ambassadors called me
and said, the Prime Minister is coming

803
01:07:35.599 --> 01:07:41.119
to New York. He's going to
be knighted to be Sir Eric Gary,

804
01:07:41.800 --> 01:07:45.159
and he has invited you to come
to the ceremony at the United Nations.

805
01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:47.519
He'd like to meet you, and
I says, great, it's wonderful.

806
01:07:47.559 --> 01:07:51.559
I'd love to meet him too.
And so I went and was there for

807
01:07:51.599 --> 01:07:56.679
all the pomp and circumstance of you
know, making him Sir Eric Gary.

808
01:07:57.519 --> 01:08:02.280
And when that is over we met
privately for just a few minutes and he

809
01:08:02.360 --> 01:08:05.960
said that he enjoyed my album,
and I said, well, thank you

810
01:08:06.039 --> 01:08:11.719
very much, and missed the Prime
Minister. I'd like to make you an

811
01:08:11.840 --> 01:08:16.319
are a deal and and basically I
said, you've been trying to get the

812
01:08:16.359 --> 01:08:23.479
world body to pay attention to your
UFO interest, but they don't seem to

813
01:08:23.479 --> 01:08:27.039
be interested in what you have to
say. I, on the other hand,

814
01:08:27.520 --> 01:08:30.000
I have all the people in my
back pocket who could come and make

815
01:08:30.039 --> 01:08:35.720
an amazing presentation on your behalf if
you will sponsor my presentation. And he

816
01:08:35.840 --> 01:08:42.199
said, okay, let's do it. And and then so they had to

817
01:08:42.239 --> 01:08:45.760
make me a delegate. And they
gave me like a little laminade card with

818
01:08:45.800 --> 01:08:48.560
my name my name on it and
said, you know, mister Lei Spiegel

819
01:08:48.760 --> 01:08:56.039
is an actual accredited delegate of the
country of Grenada. Wow. Yeah,

820
01:08:56.119 --> 01:09:00.880
And and and they gave me checks, you know, pay made from the

821
01:09:00.920 --> 01:09:05.279
Bank of Grenada, and you know, I wanted to make sure really fast

822
01:09:05.319 --> 01:09:11.479
they were good. Checks wouldn't bounce, and that was not okay. And

823
01:09:11.920 --> 01:09:17.239
so I went to people like Alan
Heinek and Gordon Cooper and Jacques Valet and

824
01:09:17.399 --> 01:09:20.119
said, do you guys want to
play with me on this, because here's

825
01:09:20.119 --> 01:09:24.520
a chance for all of you to
get up in front of the United Nations

826
01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:27.920
and do your thing. And they
all said, yes, of course,

827
01:09:27.960 --> 01:09:33.319
we want to do this. And
so I spent nineteen seventy eight putting this

828
01:09:33.399 --> 01:09:38.279
together with Alan Heinek and all these
other guys, and it was just,

829
01:09:39.159 --> 01:09:45.840
you know, amazing, because in
July of nineteen seventy eight, there was

830
01:09:45.920 --> 01:09:53.039
an interim meeting at the UN because
during the summer, the General Assembly and

831
01:09:53.079 --> 01:09:58.720
the Special Political Committee were on vacation. But the Secretary General, Kurt WALTHEIME,

832
01:09:59.159 --> 01:10:02.920
wanted to meet with those of us
who were planning to do this presentation

833
01:10:03.159 --> 01:10:09.960
in November. And so we all
sat around this big conference table and a

834
01:10:10.039 --> 01:10:12.840
lot of pictures were taken, and
those pictures of all of us sitting that

835
01:10:12.920 --> 01:10:17.520
have been published in so many newspapers
and magazines over the years of the group

836
01:10:17.600 --> 01:10:24.920
of us who were putting together this
presentation in our magazine. Yeah, yeah,

837
01:10:25.720 --> 01:10:31.920
and I know that. And so
during that year, part of my

838
01:10:32.119 --> 01:10:38.720
plan was I wanted to put a
packet of materials together, like a document

839
01:10:38.840 --> 01:10:43.000
package of all the best things that
I could come up with that would try

840
01:10:43.079 --> 01:10:49.840
and lend some credibility to the presentation. And so one day I was at

841
01:10:49.960 --> 01:10:56.279
doctor Heine's office in Evanston, Illinois, and I said to him, Look,

842
01:10:57.000 --> 01:11:01.760
for twenty years, you were the
scientific consultant to the Air Force's Project

843
01:11:01.800 --> 01:11:08.560
Blue Book, the official UFO investigation
arm of the government. You were there

844
01:11:08.600 --> 01:11:13.039
for twenty years. You must have
had your hand in some filing cabinets once

845
01:11:13.039 --> 01:11:17.279
in a while before you left.
I'm asking you to give me something that

846
01:11:17.560 --> 01:11:23.439
I can then have translated into several
languages at the un so that we can

847
01:11:23.560 --> 01:11:30.039
include this for our presentation that people
would read and go, wow, this

848
01:11:30.239 --> 01:11:33.479
is amazing. And I said,
what can you give me? And he

849
01:11:33.520 --> 01:11:36.079
went over to his filing cabinet.
He opened it up, and he pulled

850
01:11:36.079 --> 01:11:39.840
out a manila envelope and he handed
it to me and he said, well,

851
01:11:40.279 --> 01:11:43.359
I'm not sure if this is what
you're talking about. But take a

852
01:11:43.399 --> 01:11:48.359
look at this. And what he
gave me was about fourteen or fifteen pages

853
01:11:49.319 --> 01:11:57.840
of something called Introductory Space Science and
said, Volume two, Department of Physics,

854
01:11:57.880 --> 01:12:02.720
the United States Air Force, Chapter
thirty three Unidentified Flying Objects. And

855
01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:08.239
I said, what is this.
So it turns out that this was in

856
01:12:08.319 --> 01:12:15.199
nineteen sixty eight, when this was
written, the Air Force decided to include

857
01:12:15.920 --> 01:12:20.560
in one of their physics textbooks.
The name of the book was Introductory Space

858
01:12:20.600 --> 01:12:27.319
Science that was given to the Academy
cadets at the Air Force Academy, and

859
01:12:27.479 --> 01:12:34.279
they wanted to give their cadets information
about UFOs. And I was reading through

860
01:12:34.319 --> 01:12:36.920
all the pages and I'm going,
oh my god, Well, like,

861
01:12:38.039 --> 01:12:40.279
wow, is this real? He
said, yes, this is real.

862
01:12:40.319 --> 01:12:43.439
And I'm not sure if it's a
smoking gun, and I'm not sure if

863
01:12:43.479 --> 01:12:46.640
people will consider this proof. But
I said, well, I think this

864
01:12:46.800 --> 01:12:53.760
is very hot. This is really
great. And so when you go through

865
01:12:53.800 --> 01:12:59.359
the chapter, I mean, the
Air Force told their cadets up things that

866
01:12:59.479 --> 01:13:04.680
they suspet about UFOs. You know. Again, While while while concluding publicly

867
01:13:04.800 --> 01:13:12.800
that there was nothing of scientific interest
about UFOs, this chapter continued as part

868
01:13:12.800 --> 01:13:17.359
of the Air Force Academy curriculum after
the close of Project Blue Book, and

869
01:13:17.479 --> 01:13:21.359
I find that to be very interesting. And they basically they say things.

870
01:13:21.760 --> 01:13:26.359
I'm going to quote a couple of
things from the chapter right now for you.

871
01:13:27.600 --> 01:13:31.039
It says, what we will do
here is to present evidence that UFOs

872
01:13:31.520 --> 01:13:38.079
are a global phenomenon which may have
persisted for many thousands of years. And

873
01:13:38.479 --> 01:13:45.439
they go on to give the cadets
many examples going back thousands of years where

874
01:13:45.960 --> 01:13:53.960
extraterrestrials may have intervened and interacted with
humans. And here's here's another little section

875
01:13:54.079 --> 01:13:59.920
that says UFO sightings not only appear
to extend forty seven thousand years through time,

876
01:14:00.359 --> 01:14:04.359
but they're global in nature. One
has the feeling that this phenomenon deserves

877
01:14:04.920 --> 01:14:11.439
some sort of valid scientific investigation,
Okay. And then they go on to

878
01:14:11.479 --> 01:14:16.720
give more examples of UFOs, and
then they start getting into specific things that

879
01:14:16.880 --> 01:14:23.039
UFOs might turn out to be,
like mysticism, hoaxes, natural phenomena,

880
01:14:23.239 --> 01:14:28.960
secret weapons, and then they come
down to alien visitors. And under the

881
01:14:29.039 --> 01:14:34.720
topic of alien visitors, it says
the most stimulating theory for us is that

882
01:14:34.960 --> 01:14:43.279
UFOs are material objects which are either
manned or remote controlled by beings who are

883
01:14:43.359 --> 01:14:50.399
alien to this planet. There is
some evidence supporting this viewpoint. Here's another

884
01:14:51.279 --> 01:14:57.039
again, it's part of the trying
to justify to the cadets why they think

885
01:14:57.199 --> 01:15:02.640
that this is so. It says
we may be the object of intense sociological

886
01:15:02.800 --> 01:15:11.159
and psychological study. In such studies, you usually avoid disturbing the test subject's

887
01:15:11.239 --> 01:15:16.960
environment. You do not contact a
colony of ants and humans may seem that

888
01:15:17.079 --> 01:15:23.359
way to any aliens. And here's
a variation. A zoo is fun to

889
01:15:23.479 --> 01:15:29.680
visit, but you don't contact the
lizards. So you can see the theme

890
01:15:30.079 --> 01:15:34.279
kind of running through this. I
love the document too because even years later,

891
01:15:34.880 --> 01:15:40.279
most of it is still valid,
which is one of these statements and

892
01:15:40.680 --> 01:15:45.800
the conclusions where they're talking about there
could be four different groups of aliens,

893
01:15:45.920 --> 01:15:49.520
all at different stages. But this
I think conclusion is pretty accurate today where

894
01:15:49.560 --> 01:15:54.560
they say the solution to the UFO
problem may be obtained by the long and

895
01:15:54.680 --> 01:16:00.000
diligent effort of a large group of
well financed and competent scientists. Unfortunately,

896
01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:04.800
there is no evidence suggesting that such
an effort is going to be made.

897
01:16:05.560 --> 01:16:10.319
Yeah, still true to this day
because I think that's the most importing that

898
01:16:10.359 --> 01:16:14.079
could happen. It's amazing. It's
like, well, you can't win,

899
01:16:14.960 --> 01:16:17.800
you know any way anywhere you turn. Yeah, uh yeah, And it

900
01:16:17.880 --> 01:16:20.840
makes and it makes you have to
wonder, well, who's who's really running

901
01:16:20.880 --> 01:16:26.479
the show here? You know?
Uh? And all the all the people

902
01:16:26.600 --> 01:16:32.039
like you and I can do is
try and little by little get some kind

903
01:16:32.079 --> 01:16:36.640
of credible information out there and and
hope that people use it for whatever they

904
01:16:36.680 --> 01:16:42.119
want to use it for, to
either either expand their their their thoughts on

905
01:16:42.199 --> 01:16:45.640
the subject or to I don't know, help their lives in some way.

906
01:16:45.720 --> 01:16:48.359
But you know, people ask me, well, do you think you're going

907
01:16:48.439 --> 01:16:54.439
to you're going to see these things? Will the truth come out within my

908
01:16:54.520 --> 01:16:58.880
lifetime? Well? I hope it
does. I do hope it does,

909
01:16:59.000 --> 01:17:02.840
and I hope that does for people
like Stan Friedman who have spent their entire

910
01:17:02.960 --> 01:17:08.439
lives looking into this thing, and
who you know, they someone like Stan

911
01:17:08.920 --> 01:17:14.239
deserves to see this truth come out
in his lifetime. Yeah. Yeah,

912
01:17:14.239 --> 01:17:17.479
And I think that, you know, Leslie Kane, her book has been

913
01:17:17.880 --> 01:17:24.119
a big I've been very effective.
I think the biggest things that are that

914
01:17:24.239 --> 01:17:29.880
are most effective are treated well by
the media, and it's not something that's

915
01:17:30.159 --> 01:17:33.920
really in your face all the time. It's very subtle. And the important

916
01:17:33.960 --> 01:17:39.680
part is when you have people like
Michio Kaku or a few of other scientists

917
01:17:39.840 --> 01:17:43.760
who have come forward and said,
you know what, I've looked at this

918
01:17:44.039 --> 01:17:47.640
book and it makes me think that
this is a worstwhile effort to investigate this

919
01:17:47.720 --> 01:17:57.119
phenomena. Yeah. And I also
happen to agree with former Army Colonel John

920
01:17:57.239 --> 01:18:01.439
Alexander. And I know that a
lot of people have been claiming that he's

921
01:18:01.479 --> 01:18:05.119
a real man in black, Yeah, that his only his only mission in

922
01:18:05.199 --> 01:18:12.119
life is to spread disinformation around the
world about UFOs, And I like,

923
01:18:12.840 --> 01:18:17.199
Yeah. What I like about John
is he's one of the few people out

924
01:18:17.199 --> 01:18:21.319
there saying, hey, you want
to talk about disclosure while I'm telling you

925
01:18:23.039 --> 01:18:29.039
disclosure has been happening for decades.
And I think he's right. I absolutely

926
01:18:29.119 --> 01:18:32.159
think so. I agree. I
think that you know, obviously, going

927
01:18:32.239 --> 01:18:35.680
and pounding at the door of the
White House is not getting people places,

928
01:18:36.199 --> 01:18:40.319
and the people once you get the
door open, you're going to open the

929
01:18:40.359 --> 01:18:43.079
door and are going to go,
sorry, we don't know nothing, because

930
01:18:43.840 --> 01:18:47.359
those people aren't the right people to
know. Yeah, and who do we

931
01:18:47.600 --> 01:18:53.279
think we are that that? Well, geez, why don't they land on

932
01:18:53.319 --> 01:18:57.600
the White House lawn? Well?
Why should they? Yeah, I mean

933
01:18:58.000 --> 01:19:01.880
these things can and do land wherever
they want. Yeah, you know,

934
01:19:02.159 --> 01:19:04.560
why do we think that, Well, they must land on the White House

935
01:19:04.680 --> 01:19:09.640
lawn otherwise they don't exist. Well, gee, I'm sorry, but how

936
01:19:09.680 --> 01:19:12.560
many countries are there in the United
Nations? About one hundred and fifty,

937
01:19:13.119 --> 01:19:16.960
And we're so egocentric that we think
that it must happen in the United States,

938
01:19:17.119 --> 01:19:20.800
whether the announcement must come from the
White House. I'm sorry. I

939
01:19:20.840 --> 01:19:25.680
don't happen to fall into any of
that, but a lot of people do.

940
01:19:26.159 --> 01:19:30.560
People tend to think that, Well, if our leaders tell us one

941
01:19:30.640 --> 01:19:32.560
thing, we must pay attention to
them. And if they tell us that

942
01:19:32.600 --> 01:19:35.720
there's nothing to it, then we'll
have to believe them and let's go about

943
01:19:35.760 --> 01:19:41.119
our dreary lives. Yeah. It
reminds me of that great analogy that you

944
01:19:41.279 --> 01:19:44.399
just talked about about the ants,
and it would be like, you know,

945
01:19:44.560 --> 01:19:51.079
attending an ambassador to the ants.
We are human. I like that

946
01:19:51.279 --> 01:19:56.319
the ambassador to the ants. We
want to open up diplomatic relations with the

947
01:19:56.439 --> 01:20:02.800
ants. Yeah, and that's exactly
how we might appear to some extraterrestrials.

948
01:20:03.079 --> 01:20:06.239
Now, I also happen to believe, and I don't talk about this a

949
01:20:06.279 --> 01:20:13.119
lot, but I do believe that
it's possible that some kind of contact has

950
01:20:13.199 --> 01:20:19.159
been made between some visitors and at
the very least some military people, because

951
01:20:19.520 --> 01:20:25.800
there have been too many stories told
by a variety of military people about how

952
01:20:25.840 --> 01:20:30.600
a ship as either land at a
military base and some creatures got out of

953
01:20:30.680 --> 01:20:36.079
it and you know, blah blah
blah, and so naturally they would want

954
01:20:36.159 --> 01:20:43.000
to keep these kinds of story secret
because any country that can, you know,

955
01:20:43.159 --> 01:20:46.680
shoot a flying saucer out of the
sky or if a saucer crashed,

956
01:20:47.640 --> 01:20:53.439
well, any country would take an
obviously military attitude and say, well,

957
01:20:53.640 --> 01:20:56.079
we have to get it, we
have to figure out how it works before

958
01:20:56.119 --> 01:21:01.520
the next guy does. So I
understand, and all that attitude, it

959
01:21:01.560 --> 01:21:05.479
doesn't make it right, and it
doesn't help, It doesn't help the situation.

960
01:21:06.319 --> 01:21:13.399
I just would like it if people
weren't ridiculed anymore. Yeah, so

961
01:21:13.640 --> 01:21:19.720
that you know, when Dennis Kasinich
was asked during the nineteen during the two

962
01:21:19.760 --> 01:21:26.319
thousand and seven presidential campaign, you
know, Tim Russert of NBC said,

963
01:21:26.439 --> 01:21:30.399
is it true that you've seen a
UFO? And as soon as he asked

964
01:21:30.399 --> 01:21:32.439
the question, there were snickers and
laughs throughout the audience. Well, why

965
01:21:32.520 --> 01:21:38.760
does that happen? Yeah, it's
surreal when I saw that because of the

966
01:21:38.880 --> 01:21:42.720
nervous laughter and stuff, and it's
like, why are you people laughing?

967
01:21:42.800 --> 01:21:46.600
I mean, this is someone who
saw something extraordinary. Yeah, and he

968
01:21:46.760 --> 01:21:53.079
never said that he saw an alien
spaceship. He said I saw something I

969
01:21:53.279 --> 01:21:57.279
can't identify, and then they laughed
at him. And I keep saying,

970
01:21:57.479 --> 01:22:03.560
why why are you laughing at someone
anyone who says that. I don't understand

971
01:22:03.640 --> 01:22:09.920
the attitude. Yeah, And unfortunately, I think Tim Ressler knew the reaction

972
01:22:10.039 --> 01:22:13.840
that would get and it was kind
of him, kind of lobbying for an

973
01:22:13.880 --> 01:22:18.359
ad at tooth and nation. These
people laugh at these for no reason.

974
01:22:18.960 --> 01:22:21.840
It's like, if you want to
ridicule someone, well I guess that's one

975
01:22:21.880 --> 01:22:28.359
way of doing it. But why
why does ridicule have to even be associated

976
01:22:28.439 --> 01:22:30.840
with this? That's what I don't
understand, and that's what I'd like to

977
01:22:30.920 --> 01:22:35.119
see, you know, go away? Yeah, yeah, I agree,

978
01:22:35.279 --> 01:22:42.159
I think you know this conclusion again, this air force conclusion is great because

979
01:22:42.600 --> 01:22:46.119
the very last sentence is the best
thing to do is to keep an open

980
01:22:46.319 --> 01:22:50.800
and skeptical mind and not take an
extreme position on any side of the question.

981
01:22:51.680 --> 01:22:56.359
Yeah, because it's right. We
don't have enough information to take an

982
01:22:56.439 --> 01:23:00.399
extreme position. And I kind of
see when people are laughing an act some

983
01:23:00.479 --> 01:23:03.720
one. Let's kind of take an
extreme position that this person's foolish because he's

984
01:23:03.720 --> 01:23:09.840
got something he could explain. Yeah, I mean, maybe the powers that

985
01:23:10.039 --> 01:23:15.960
be on this planet, maybe they
already know that, maybe through interactions in

986
01:23:16.039 --> 01:23:21.000
the days of the Bible, that
visitors came down from the sky and actually

987
01:23:21.119 --> 01:23:29.720
helped to seed human life here.
There are all those kinds of these these

988
01:23:30.039 --> 01:23:33.720
going on out there that people are
hypothesizing that and maybe some people think that

989
01:23:34.520 --> 01:23:40.279
we couldn't handle that information. Okay, fine, maybe that's true. But

990
01:23:40.479 --> 01:23:44.960
the you have to ridicule us when
we say we saw something that we know

991
01:23:45.159 --> 01:23:49.239
was unexplainable, you know, don't
talk down to us and make us feel

992
01:23:49.319 --> 01:23:54.239
like we're not worthy of anything.
And that's that's what's been going on for

993
01:23:54.399 --> 01:23:57.960
decades. Yeah, you know,
it kind of reminds me again of that

994
01:23:58.239 --> 01:24:01.199
we both book and I think he
even if blogging for the Huffington Post also

995
01:24:01.279 --> 01:24:06.359
at least has once or twice,
and his was the kind of the same

996
01:24:06.439 --> 01:24:10.000
thing. He was thinking, you
know, when he started thinking about the

997
01:24:10.079 --> 01:24:13.560
paranormally he had a ghost experience in
his past, and he was thinking,

998
01:24:14.079 --> 01:24:18.359
why do I have to feel ashamed
because I believe my parents and the experience

999
01:24:18.479 --> 01:24:24.039
that you know, they talked about
having in the past. I really shouldn't

1000
01:24:24.199 --> 01:24:29.479
build that way. I should be
able to, you know, just accept

1001
01:24:29.520 --> 01:24:33.960
it and examine it. I agree, And I also want to let all

1002
01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:39.000
of your listeners know that if they're
not aware of this yet, that they

1003
01:24:39.039 --> 01:24:43.399
should check you out as a blogger
now on the Huffington Post. Thank you

1004
01:24:43.720 --> 01:24:47.680
so so much for helping that happen
too, because I am so excited and

1005
01:24:47.800 --> 01:24:54.319
happy to be blogging for the Hoping
Post. It's great. You guys have

1006
01:24:54.399 --> 01:24:58.479
a great team on the weird News, and it's just a lot of fun

1007
01:24:58.760 --> 01:25:02.680
of course getting exposed to these stories
and it helps me feel the to help

1008
01:25:02.760 --> 01:25:09.600
out to also help champion this whole
subject. Yeah yeah, and it's worth

1009
01:25:09.760 --> 01:25:14.159
it's worth championing, I think.
Yeah, yeah, there's there's great stuff.

1010
01:25:14.479 --> 01:25:17.439
I mean, because you know,
getting back to Leslie King's television show

1011
01:25:17.479 --> 01:25:25.800
and more specifically your story. You
by writing about five Symington and Nick Pope

1012
01:25:26.079 --> 01:25:30.399
and Charles Halt and all of these
you're championing their story to the public.

1013
01:25:31.159 --> 01:25:38.520
I am, because I think that
they need as many positive voices backing them

1014
01:25:38.600 --> 01:25:43.600
up. You know, I can't
prove what they say, and in most

1015
01:25:43.680 --> 01:25:47.439
cases they can't even prove what they
say. But these these are highly credible

1016
01:25:47.520 --> 01:25:54.039
people who who need to be listened
to and who should not be ridiculed by

1017
01:25:54.119 --> 01:25:59.279
those who have no idea what they're
talking about. That's, you know.

1018
01:25:59.319 --> 01:26:02.640
And I say to people who are
skeptical, they try and bait me into

1019
01:26:02.720 --> 01:26:06.159
a debate, and I never debate
anyone. All I say to people is

1020
01:26:08.640 --> 01:26:14.600
how much time have you personally put
into investigating this information on your own?

1021
01:26:14.960 --> 01:26:17.680
Have you spent many years? Have
you traveled around the country, have you

1022
01:26:17.800 --> 01:26:23.199
interviewed people, Have you gone to
museums, have you gone to archives in

1023
01:26:23.399 --> 01:26:30.199
Washington? Exactly? How much time
have you put into investigating it to come

1024
01:26:30.319 --> 01:26:33.520
to your opinion? And if you
haven't put this kind of effort into it,

1025
01:26:33.960 --> 01:26:39.800
then you don't really have a valid
opinion. Yeah, I hey,

1026
01:26:40.319 --> 01:26:44.720
yeah, you're right. And I
say this to people and I have found

1027
01:26:44.800 --> 01:26:49.439
in the past basically so sorry,
but it pisses them off because they don't

1028
01:26:49.479 --> 01:26:53.760
want to be talked down to like
that. And I say to them,

1029
01:26:53.960 --> 01:26:57.119
well, then don't ridicule other people
if you don't know what you're talking about.

1030
01:26:57.279 --> 01:27:02.000
And unfortunately this includes the major skeptics
out there, like the Benjamin Radford

1031
01:27:02.239 --> 01:27:06.439
out there on the MSNBC, I
think, and then or even such stocks

1032
01:27:06.479 --> 01:27:14.399
shots that they haven't even begun to
investigate the phenomena before they make their conclusions.

1033
01:27:14.920 --> 01:27:16.760
Yeah. Yeah, And you know, for the most part, I

1034
01:27:17.000 --> 01:27:23.239
know all of these skeptics, and
I actually if they weren't skeptics. I

1035
01:27:23.479 --> 01:27:27.840
like these people. Yeah, I've
had very nice conversations with them. They're

1036
01:27:27.920 --> 01:27:30.600
very easy to get along with.
They just have this one character flaw.

1037
01:27:31.159 --> 01:27:35.920
Yeah, yeah, exactly, and
we all have them. I guess we're

1038
01:27:35.960 --> 01:27:41.399
running out of time, But I
do have one last question, and it's

1039
01:27:41.479 --> 01:27:45.159
really around, you know, your
experience with the History Channel and writing this

1040
01:27:45.359 --> 01:27:50.960
story, because I guess a cynical
perspective of why the History Channel would do

1041
01:27:51.039 --> 01:27:55.920
a great show like they did is
that they're just going for ratings. But

1042
01:27:56.079 --> 01:27:59.880
did you find something different that these
people actually take this subject here? You

1043
01:28:00.640 --> 01:28:05.399
Yes. I spoke with Julian Hobbs, who is the executive vice president.

1044
01:28:06.479 --> 01:28:12.800
He's the executive producer of the History
Channel, and I asked him last week.

1045
01:28:12.880 --> 01:28:17.239
I said, you know, you've
done many UFO shows. Why are

1046
01:28:17.279 --> 01:28:21.239
you suddenly doing a two hour special? What gives with that? And he

1047
01:28:21.319 --> 01:28:25.439
said, well, the only reason
why we're doing this, And yes,

1048
01:28:25.520 --> 01:28:30.359
we have done many UFO shows in
the past. But after I read Lesley

1049
01:28:30.479 --> 01:28:34.880
Kine's books, it was so compelling
and it changed my views and some of

1050
01:28:35.000 --> 01:28:40.960
my opinions on the credibility of this
that I decided to go with this and

1051
01:28:41.800 --> 01:28:45.000
without her book, there would be
no show. And that's why we did

1052
01:28:45.039 --> 01:28:48.920
it. You know, we gave
Leslie Came the UFO Investigator of the Year

1053
01:28:48.920 --> 01:28:55.079
award last year. Oh great,
and she deserved it. And you know,

1054
01:28:55.239 --> 01:28:58.880
I just can't say enough about her
work and getting this book out and

1055
01:28:58.960 --> 01:29:01.560
how great it is. And yeah, wonderful that you're picking it up and

1056
01:29:01.680 --> 01:29:06.359
running with it as well. Well. I'm I'm happy to do it and

1057
01:29:08.119 --> 01:29:11.039
and I haven't yet had a chance
to have her autograph the book for me

1058
01:29:11.119 --> 01:29:15.479
yet. That's gonna that's gonna happen
really soon. Good well, thank you

1059
01:29:15.600 --> 01:29:17.960
so much for being on the show. We're pretty much out of time.

1060
01:29:18.000 --> 01:29:23.159
I guess people can go to Huffington
Post and click on the weird news link

1061
01:29:23.159 --> 01:29:25.560
which is right on the front page, and they'll be able to see your

1062
01:29:25.600 --> 01:29:29.960
stories there, or just Google or
go to the search on a Huffington Post

1063
01:29:30.000 --> 01:29:32.800
and put in lease Eagle find you
either way. Huh, that's right.

1064
01:29:32.920 --> 01:29:39.159
And if they just want to google
Huffington Post Leashpiegel, it'll it'll take them

1065
01:29:39.199 --> 01:29:42.399
to any number of my stories and
then from there they can find all of

1066
01:29:42.479 --> 01:29:45.479
my stories. Yeah, that's the
best way to find people these days.

1067
01:29:45.600 --> 01:29:48.720
Just google their name and you'll have
it all. Well, thank you,

1068
01:29:48.800 --> 01:29:53.760
Anro, great talking with you.
Yeah, thank you for being on the

1069
01:29:53.840 --> 01:29:58.840
show. Thanks for helping me get
the Huffington Post bog and keep it up,

1070
01:29:58.960 --> 01:30:03.840
keep on keeping on. I will
all right, good night, good

1071
01:30:03.920 --> 01:30:09.840
night, all right. Next week, I want to let you know we're

1072
01:30:09.880 --> 01:30:12.840
not going to have a show.
We're going to take the week off for

1073
01:30:13.039 --> 01:30:16.840
the vacation. Also, the chapter
he was talking about about the Air Force

1074
01:30:16.920 --> 01:30:21.840
physics document, you can find that
online and actually coupon. Seef on dot

1075
01:30:23.039 --> 01:30:27.840
org has that also, And finally, in two weeks when we do come

1076
01:30:27.920 --> 01:30:31.119
back, we're gonna have a special
show with Jason McClellan, our news correspondent,

1077
01:30:31.159 --> 01:30:35.319
because he wrote about Billy Meyer,
so we're gonna go over his Billy

1078
01:30:35.399 --> 01:30:40.439
Meyer research. So thanks for joining
us this week. Don't forget to visit

1079
01:30:40.520 --> 01:30:45.439
Openminds dot tv for the latest UFO
news and information, and we'll talk to

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01:30:45.439 --> 01:30:45.840
you in a couple of weeks.
People,