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Welcome to UFO linketan Crazier with your
host Alejandrol Rohan. Hello, my friend,

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Hello, my friend. Hello,
it is Early Han Noo. It's

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wonderful to be speaking with you all
again. It's been a couple of weeks.

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I was not here last weekend.
You are aware of that because there

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was no show, and you probably
thought that your new iPhone five was broken

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because all the bi cast weren't downloading, But that's not the case. It

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was I but it wasn't out of
evilness that I was not here last week

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In fact, it was a very
good thing for me and and for you

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because I was actually, among other
things, I was in Vegas last weekend.

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My friends, Yes, this is
where I was, and I was

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there to cover that special panel of
UFO peeps. So we're going to talk

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about that, and possibly you've seen
the stories on the Huffington Post and then

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the last Vegas son I think it's
called, and they posted my pictures because

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I took the pictures and of these
guys, so that's cool. Huh Yeah,

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score for me. Then I'm happy
about that. And we'll talk about

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the story about that event a little
later on in the show. During the

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news section. However, I want
to tell you about tonight's guest. Tonight's

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guest is John Ventury. He is
the Pennsylvania State move On Director. So

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he's a busy guy out there in
Pennsylvania, and he has just retired,

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and he isn't just like you know, sitting on the couch watching Judge Judy

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for his retirement. He is actually
out moving and shaking, writing books,

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running conferences, all kinds of stuff. And in particular, we're going to

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talk to him about the conferences he's
got going on. In fact, there's

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a weird echo going on. I
don't know if you can hear that or

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not. Hopefully now hopefully it sounds
good for you. But in fact,

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he just ran a conference that just
ended last night, and I interviewed him

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Thursday, the day before this conference
in Philadelphia that he just did this past

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weekend, just yesterday, and he's
got one going on this weekend as well.

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No that this weekend, and a
couple of weekends from now twelfth through

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the thirteenth. I'm pretty sure it
is in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh, it's what

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they call it out there. I
know I worked with some of those Pittsburgians,

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and they have some weird things that
they say and do out there.

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But regardless of how weird Pennsylvanians are, they're really cool because they go to

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these conferences that John puts on.
And we'll be talking about those conferences and

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why he started them, because he
actually started them because and this all rolls

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into the book and everything. He
started them because of a big signing a

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few years ago that happened over a
mall, started over a mall mass sighting,

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So we'll talk about that. That
inspired an episode of UFOs over Earth,

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if you remember, I used to
talk about that because that was the

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move on television show that I get
to be somewhat involved with. That was

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a few years ago. They only
filmed three episodes. They tried to put

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us against the football Monday night Football. They figured, Hey, we want

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to get the audience. Our audience
is older males, that's who usually watched

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the UFO shows. We want to
entice them from watching football, So let's

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run a UFO show against the NFL
Monday night football because we also we want

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that audience. Yeah. Well,
I guess thank you for having so much

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baith that these interesting move on cases
could pool those people. But yeah,

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it didn't happen. Surprise, surprise. So the ratings weren't that good and

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it was quite frankly, and I'm
sure some of you are thinking that you

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it was a dumb idea, really
bad idea. Who are the geniuses who

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came up with this one? But
you know, Bob White, the guy

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who produced it, he did a
great job. Certainly wasn't his fault,

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and I think the show turned out
good. And actually, and we'll talk

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to John John says that they still
run the program once in a while on

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I believe it's the History Channel that
was running that one, and so people

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will call them and say, hey, I just sew you on TV.

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And so luckily they're still running those
episodes because those were really cool shows.

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I think they were much better than
some recent UFO shows, if you catch

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my drift. But yeah, so
that was who we've got coming on later

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on the show. And then now
I am excited. Oh by the way,

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yeah, I didn't finish because he
The episode in Pennsylvania of the UFOs

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over Earth was called UFOs over Pennsylvania. They covered a couple of cases that

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we'll talk about, including mass signing
and so John then figures I'm gonna write

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a book and he does, and
he calls it UFOs over Pennsylvania about some

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of the great move on cases he's
worked on and some of what's gone on

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there. I also talked to him, because you may remember, and we

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did talk about this. He was
on Anderson Cooper not too long ago to

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talk about UFOs and Anderson Cooper did
come off that great. And we're gonna

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get John's side of this story here, and I think you're gonna find it

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interesting. I certainly did. But
yeah, so that's our guest. Cool

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huh. I thought so too.
So let's get into the news. And

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I'm excited because I told you how
I was gonna go find some news theme

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music and I have done just that. Oh here, hold on, baby,

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UFOs in the news today, well, actually in the last couple of

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weeks. What's been going on with
the UFOs and news. I hope you

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liked the new music that comes from
a really cool site in Kompa Tech is

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the name of the site. And
this is a guy who does a lot

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of royalty free music. He lets
anybody, He's been doing this for years.

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He creates music. I've used.
Actually, some of my theme music

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in the past has been from him
or some of the YouTube videos I've done,

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and a lot of people actually have
used his music because he offers that

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he does his cool music and he
lets people use it for free. Isn't

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that cool of him? He is
cool. That's fun though, hotphone news,

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so this is our UFO news and
I'm just so excited about the music

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that i can't get into the news. We gotta do this though, in

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the Lovely UK. Speaking of the
Lovely UK, I did want to mention

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Tracy Austin, who we had a
last on the show, a Lovely UK

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import. She now lives out here. I got to see her in Las

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Vegas, so that was a lot
of fun because she lives out there and

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she's just a very pleasant and wonderful
UK lady. Speaking of the UK,

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but they're seeing UFOs in the UK
apparently. Now. This first story is

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regarding what appears to be an identified
flying object. But a lot of people

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were calling about some UFOs in the
sky and they were seeing some flares on

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tipt jeff So, Secember twenty third, they were seeing weird stuff in the

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sky looked like maybe a meteor shower, but some debris or something, and

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that's what it turns out that they
believe it was some debris from a spacecraft

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or a satellite. They're really not
sure that was coming through in the sky.

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And they got a cool little light
show out there in the UK on

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the twenty third, so that was
very pleasant for them. That would be

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neat to see. Actually, I
have seen something like that. Maybe you

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have too. I keep well,
I'm out in the night. I'm a

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night guy. I love the night. I am not a vampire because I'm

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actually like a good guy. I
guess there are some good vampires, but

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not really because they have to suck
blood. I personally don't think that's cool.

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I'm a vegetarian on top of it
all. So but I'm like some

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sort of maybe I am sort of
sort of mutated monster paranormal being that could

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be. I don't know, because
I really enjoy the night and I like

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being out there in the darkness that
night. I love the calmness. And

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I am a night being, a
night vegetarian, mammal type creature. And

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so I look up at the sky
because I'm looking for UFOs, which I

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rarely see. But I do see
satellites and shooting stars, and I have

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seen some incredible meteorites that break up
in the sky and stuff. So these

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guys got a really cool show like
that. However, on the same day,

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actually the day before the Sun the
Irish Sun reports that UFO floats over

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pregnant mum, mum being the word
for mom in England. Me mom,

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that's me mum. That's kind of
how they say it. Not really,

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but you can try to do your
own accent there. Okay, I know

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I'm not good, Leave me alone. So this is an interesting picture because

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it shows a pregnant mum and she's
standing there and above her is kind of

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a cute. They call it a
what do they call it? The guy

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from Toy Story Captain space Dude kind
of looks like, oh man, what

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did they say? Sorry, buzz
light year, there we go. It

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kind of looks like a glowing buzz
light your floating above this lady. It's

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probably a moth, but a cotton
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But it looks pretty strange and so
people thought it was weird. The

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Sun decided that they would post it
and that's exciting. Yay. Thanks UK

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other UK news. Oh my gosh, I'm not a big fan of this

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story. I'm gonna be honest with
you. This is my good buddy Lee

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Spiegel. We had on the show, and I'm always like, oh,

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he's so great, he's so great, and then he does his crap story.

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No I'm kidding. I mean he
felt it was good and he thought

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it was just interesting that this lord
Martin Rees an astronomer calls. He didn't

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say only see and I totally I
don't necessarily agree with the title. It

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says only kooks see UFO UFOs.
He didn't say that. The actual quote

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is that he doesn't give any of
them credence, and he says something like,

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you know, kukes, here we
go. They wouldn't if there were

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really UFOs coming from so far.
Et is coming from so far, they

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wouldn't just meet a few well known
cranks. So you know, he didn't

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call everybody who saw a UFO a
cook, but he says, you know,

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some of these people that are reporting
that they're meeting aliens are cranks,

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well known cranks. I think so
too that some of these guys are cranks.

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But I also think, and if
I had one of these guys that

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I thought was a crank on my
show. You wouldn't know because I'm going

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to be nice to him and I'm
going to listen to him, and I'm

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not going to tell you I think
they're a crank. And you may be

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thinking, who does he think is
a crank? Come on, fest up

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robots. I'm not going to tell
you because I don't want to talk about

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about people. But you know,
there's a few, but there's also real

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deal stuff out there. There are
people having experiences, certainly people believing they're

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having experiences, and especially people seeing
UFOs. Come on, you can't call

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them all cooks. You know.
We'll talk about this later, but the

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sport of this panel of military people
that were in Las Vegas recently certainly are

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not all cooks. I'm not a
kook. I've seen a UFO and I'll

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bet you if you pin this guy
down. You know, have you ever

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seen anything you can't identify? Yeah, well then you're a kook. You

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know, that was kind of a
blanket statement. So I don't know that

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he's saying everybody's a cook, but
still, you know, an astronomer,

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old grouchy guy saying he doesn't believe
in UFOs. Big whoo, how's that

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news. There's a bunch of these
grouchy old astronomer guys, and you know,

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I'm not too interested in what they
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was another blogger on the Huffington Post. His name is Dan Mack and he

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actually made a response to the story
and I loved his response. It's long,

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but and I think Lee's going to
do a follow up because I told

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him about this stuff too, and
we've talked about it on this show.

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Is that there are astronomers who do
believe in UFOs, because Lord Reef was

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saying, oh, if there was
a real deal, you know, astronomers

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are always looking at the sky,
they would be reporting UFOs. And funny

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enough, James mcgaha, big debunker. Lee did quote him in the story

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also who he doesn't believe in you. He's a really bad debunker. You

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know, he comes up with really
silly things to explain away some of these

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really interesting sightings. However, he
did say that most astronomers aren't looking in

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the sky. He says most astronomy
he says, he's a rare astronomer that

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actually is looking up in the sky
with telescopes, but most astronomers are looking

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at data. They're looking at computer
screens, they're looking at data. We've

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talked about the Wow signal, which
of course was like ones and zeros on

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a form with some letters and stuff
and some cryptic looking goobly gook was circled

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and Wow was written next to it, and supposedly that was something interesting that

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the astronomers noted and it's just like
code and stuff and what the heck is

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that? Nothing to do with stars? And he actually made the point that

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no astronomers are actually not mostly looking
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I think? But anyways, this
Dan Mack did a story about all

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of the astronomers, many astronomers who
have seen UFOs, and he included some

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tables and data, and I think
he did a good job with that.

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So I tweeted that and I'm telling
you about it now, and it's on

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the Huffington Post Weird News page,
along with speaking of mums, We've got

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bums. In Brazil, they had
a pageant for the best booty essentially,

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and so it's awfully distracting because you
go to the Weird News and there's these

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pictures of these bikini babes in their
booties, which they of course are some

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of the best booties in Brazil.
I'm sure Brazil's got some of the best

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star are out there. But I
had to mention it because it's distracting me

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right now while I'm looking at Dan
Mack's story other stories. Are we the

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extraterrestrials? Are you and I in
fact the extraterrestrials? I think some of

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you have thought about that question,
and I think some of you believe that

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perhaps your neighbor, or someone you
live with, or someone a family member

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is an extraterrestrial. Well, there
are scientists that may agree with you.

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In fact, they think that perhaps
life was seated here. And we've talked

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about this. This isn't really anything
new, It's just some scientists have been

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talking about it, lady lately.
Is that perhaps you know an asteroid or

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meteorite that was broken off from another
planet with some microbes on it, came

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and landed here on the Earth and
life was created. In fact, we

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spoke with a scientist a few weeks
ago on this very show about those theories

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like wouldn't be interesting because he was
saying, there is no evidence that life

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was created on this planet. We've
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the initial microbes just like spontaneously appeared
here. And his argument was, we

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haven't seen it over and over again. If it's like a flower that blooms

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boop, you know, and these
things are created here, why wouldn't it

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happen all the time? Punk funk
microbe, microbe, you know, all

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these different microbes. That's my microbes. And he's got a really good point

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there, I think. So maybe
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for the life, and that they're
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kind of like you know, the
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and seed life on other islands and
stuff like that. So interesting thoughts.

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What's really kind of interesting is it
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because some of these reporters are like, oh, well this is new,

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No, this isn't new. This
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talked about for many, many eons, well before I was born. And

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I'm a very young man, actually
I'm getting pretty old. But one of

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the news sources, and I can
remember which said Zany. Scientists scientists are

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actually agreeing with or giving creedence to
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talking and he was just talking about
this this transfermia where the and it was

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like, dude, this isn't wacky, this is decades old. Come on,

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what were you doing in science class
picking your nose. Here's another interesting

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story. Scientists discover iron man found
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DN The title sounds more exciting than
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an exciting situation. However, it's
not what it appears to be. They

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did find the Nazis a old iron
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to be extraterrestrial. However, what
it was is a meteorite. So some

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ancient people's found a meteorite. And
you've probably seen these things, and they're

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heavy and they're really thick, and
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So pretty interesting. But that's why
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It doesn't mean ets carved the thing. It's just that they carved it out

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of an extraterrestrial rock. So speaking, of these credible people. And speaking

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of Lee Spiegel, I got to
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other buddies in Las Vegas last weekend. Who is there, Ben Hansen,

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Ben McGee, let's see speaking of
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too good, Maureen and Jason,
you guys remember them, huh? These

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guys are awesome. Tom and Antonio
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and John, we're all there,
George Knapp, my good home boy,

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Tracy Austin, like I was talking
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they had this talk. And of
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Nick Pope, Colonel Holt, these
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was awesome to see these guys last
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was held by the National Atomic Testing
Museum, and this panel was quite historic

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in my own humble opinion. They
had Bob Friend who used to run blue

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Book for a few years. Coleman
Robert Coleman where his first name is and

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he was a press person for Project
blue Book. Then of course you had

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Colonel Holt, who was the base
commander at Rendel from Air Force based However,

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he was deputy based commander when this
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he even saw this object that beamed
a light. There was Nick Bob from

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the Ministry of Defense, Ministry of
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these people we've had on the show, and it was moderated by Alan Palmer,

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the head of the museum, the
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cool guy, he was just awesome
the panel. There were no secrets revealed.

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from the general public. I think
they would be pretty interested. The two

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Blue Book people are skeptical. They
say they genuinely did try to investigate UFOs

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and never came across a case that
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or that were that mysterious. But
they both have interesting backstories. So Bob

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Friend, who ran Blue Book,
had said he still though, believes that

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this is a real phenomena that needs
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reiterated that at this talk. Now, these guys are like in their nineties,

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Holy moly. That's why it's historic, because these guys haven't come out

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and talked like this in a long
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television shows, but nothing like this, and they might not be around too

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much longer. But friend went on
to say, and he told us about

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how they really sent photos to labs, they sent film to labs, they

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sent materials they received to labs.
They did their best to try to figure

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out what was going on and to
prove that something mysterious was going on.

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And he just says they never came
across anything. But he's all four and

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he does believe there should be scientific
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Coleman is a little more skeptic.
He's like, look, e teas are

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too far this whole sety thing.
If they're going to you know, dude,

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there's no way they can get here
from their type of jet. However,

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giant however, here he had his
own lip in crazy UFO siding where

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they saw this disc thing cruising across
close to the deck as they call it,

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you know, the pilots close to
the ground. They flew in there,

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playing behind this thing and followed it. It was whipping up a trail

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from the ground. It was that
close. Zoomed and flew off at amazing

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speeds to this day, he doesn't
know what the heck that was that he

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saw, So how interesting is that
a blue book guy who's skeptical, doesn't

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think we've just you know, shown
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And he recounted this sighting at this
talk and he said, I don't

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know what that was, so how
cool is that? And then of course

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Colonel Halt came up. We've talked
to him before and he stated, you

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know, he stated unequivocally, and
this is a little bit new for him,

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actually, he said there he believes
there definitely is some organization within the

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military that investigates and knows all about
this UFO stuff. He's adamant there has

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to be who collected this information,
who's been collecting all the information from all

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of these great sightings such as well, you know, there's just like Gordon

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Cooper who had the film of the
UFO the Astronaut and that film was taken

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away. Who took that away?
All of these other instances where this film

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was taken away, Who's taken this
away? Where is it going? Somebody's

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got to be collecting at somebody's got
at And that's pretty bold for him.

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To say that, because he's always
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never come out and said there has
to be some sort of organization. The

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military must be still investigating UFOs,
So that was kind of cool. Nick

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Bope came out, and this is
something that he really hasn't talked about public

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too much in that he said,
we did in the military for the Ministry

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of Defense, when I investigated UFOs, we did try to make UFO sound

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silly. And we also, even
though not everybody but he personally thought there

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was something to it. He said, we also kept tabs on UFO organizations.

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We ordered their journals. He says
he's snuck into a conference, although

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he says mostly what they were looking
for at least the idea was to see

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if we were seeing black projects.
So were we catching were the UFO people,

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you know, catching reports of the
Aurora or these other possible black projects?

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Could they gather information about secret technologies
that other governments are using by watching

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reports of UFO sightings. That's what
they were doing. But they were spying

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on UFO groups. And then John
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He just said the same that UFOs
are real. He looked into it,

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but he doesn't believe there's an organized
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even though he was in the military, says, these guys are boneheads,

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they're goofballs. They're not organized enough
that they're collecting the information. But

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there's mostly too much of a hot
potato. They don't want nothing to do

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with it. Look someone else's problem. This is too crazy. I don't

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want nothing to do with it.
So and Lee wrote a couple of stories

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regarding that, And then there was
another UFO incident that's getting some news where

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these Google pictures are coming up with
what really looks like a reflection, some

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sort of reflection in a lot of
these pictures, because the image that is

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being captured in all of these pictures
is exactly the same, and it looks

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like some kind of possibly due to
the way the camera is made, this

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kind of lens sware. Who knows, who knows? That's just my suspicion.

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And then finally, my friends,
is the Air Force is spaceplane?

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Remember we talked about this. It's
kind of this oh my gosh, my

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chill always going crazy over here.
Anyways, it's this small, little kind

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of space shuttle type of thing.
That was up in the air for many,

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many days, four hundred and sixty
nine days it was in orbit,

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and it's supposed to be secret,
but the Air Force is giving out like

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press pictures and stuff like this.
Well, it's taking its third mission and

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it's a secret mission. So they're
saying, hey, we're applying our cool

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secret space plane, but we're not
telling you nothing about it. I mean,

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why tell us say you're flying it? And why let this go take

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pictures and stuff. I don't get
what's going on with this. Maybe it's

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just to get people excited about what
they're doing. But at the same time,

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this thing is eight billion dollars of
our tax dollars and they're not telling

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us why they're flying at or what
they're flying at. For the Chinese think

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that it could be some kind of
weapons system. It could be I think,

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you know, and maybe it's just
because I watched ET again since they

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released it on Blu ray. Could
be full of Reese's pieces, So they're

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you know, trying to attract aliens
ets because you remember ET like Teresa's pieces.

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If you're too young to have seen
ET, you gotta watch it and

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then you'll know what I'm talking about, because unfortunately, I'm getting that old

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where the movies that I watched when
I was a kid. These younger dudes

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don't know what the heck I'm talking
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But so who knows what's going on? But yeah, that's like thirty

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dollars per American, So every American
has put thirty dollars into this. And

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for my thirty dollars, and how
I got that number is subtracting eight billion

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by three hundred million Americans. I
think I should get something for my thirty

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dollars. At least tell me what
you're up to. Come on, dude,

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just don't plant it in my face. I guess I'm getting these pretty

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pictures regardless of what the Air Force
is up to. We've got a great

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interview with John Ventury, so let's
hear what he's got to say. Okay,

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I'm very excited to have back on
the show John Venturi. Uh,

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welcome back, John, Thanks for
having me on. Hellahundra. Yeah,

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you've got a lot going on right
now. So you have a couple of

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conferences once starting tomorrow, and then
you have a new book. Yeah,

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you know, I retired three months
ago, and I can't believe how busy

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I am. I'm busier now than
when I was working. Yeah, oh

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that. I mean, this is
a lot of stuff. And I heard

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you retired and I figured, wow, yeah, you're definitely keeping busy.

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I know, for instance, when
my stepdad are retired, he like couldn't

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figure out what to do. He
started getting bored. And I always thought,

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you know, i'd be doing like
you. I'd be keeping busy.

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There's all kinds of stuff to do. Yeah. I mean it's actually great

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because it's on my own schedule now. But you know a lot of people

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asked me what are you doing,
and I tell, well, you know,

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I filmed two episodes with Discovery Canada. I was on Anderson Cooper's show.

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I just published a book. I've
got another one that'll be out probably

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in January. I'm running two conferences
and I'm setting up a third one for

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Eerie PA for May. So I
keep pretty busy. Yeah great, I

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used to go to Erie where worse
actually, So let's start with that.

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Let's start with Anderson Cooper because I
had forgotten about that. But I've I've

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seen the video, you know,
tweeted it and sent it around to people,

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how was that experience? Well,
you know, it was great.

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You know when I this is going
to be a two part answer, because

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when I filmed the show and everything
went great. I mean, you know,

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Joe Nicol was the skeptic there,
and every time Anderson asked Joe a

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question, then he would say,
John, what do you have to say

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about that? And I gave some
really good answers, you know, so

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you know, and we had good
witnesses, the two girls from Kentucky and

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the one from the Bucks County you
know episode. And so when I left,

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man was I was on cloud nine
saying this was a good show.

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So then it airs a couple of
days later, about four or five days

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later, and everybody in the Pittsburgh
area is watching this thing, along with

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all of Muffon, because they've sent
out a email alerting everyone. And I'm

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sitting there and it's like, wait
a minute, I said this. I

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said that, And they just edited
about half of my answers out. They

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left in everything that Joe Nichol said, but then when I gave a good

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response, they cut it out.
And I'll give you a couple of examples.

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At one point, Joe Nicholl made
a comment that the girls had seen

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Jupiter, and when he said that, the entire audience broke out laughing.

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They dubbed out the laughter because I
listened to it and you could just hear

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silence in the background, which means
they just dubbed everything out, so they

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cut the laughter out. There was
another point where I made a statement that

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these three women, you know,
showed a lot of courage and integrity to

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come here and say what they saw
even though it's not you know, accepted

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by the mainstream, and the entire
audience applauded for me, so you know,

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I thought, wow, that's great. That's gonna be great on TV.

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They cut it out and they're doing
no they cut it out, and

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there was a couple of other answers
that I gave in response to what Joe

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said, and they cut it out, and you know, it was just

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incredible, and you know, I
was upset. You know, I went

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from being like on Cloud nine to
cloud one after I watched it. I

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mean, it was a good show, and I think, you know,

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my friends and family all watched it
and said, well, I mean that

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was great. You know, you
were relaxed and everything went well, and

406
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:04.559
uh, I said, no,
it didn't because half of what I said

407
00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:08.920
got cut out. And they they
absolutely you know, slanted the show to

408
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:13.840
the skeptic. And I could tell
you the three women were really upset with

409
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:16.639
you know, Joe not believing anything
they said. But that's you know,

410
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:20.760
that's a skeptic. And you know, Joe and I got into it right

411
00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:23.119
at the end of the show where
I got a little heated with him because

412
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:27.320
he was picking on the women and
not believing them. And you know,

413
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:30.559
I'm pointing my finger out, I'm
raising my voice, you know, telling

414
00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:31.880
him that, you know, skeptics, you don't look at any of the

415
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:36.199
evidence. All you do is is
apply common sense. But you know,

416
00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:39.400
sometimes things happen one time, you
know, and you can't repeat it.

417
00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:44.159
It doesn't happen again. And and
that's what it is with these these three

418
00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:50.239
witnesses. And but the funny thing
was over here in Pittsburgh. You know,

419
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:52.880
this was a forty minute show on
Anderson Cooper. You know, it

420
00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:58.880
rang longer than they thought. And
right when they got to that last segment,

421
00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:01.559
the last five minutes of the show, when Joe Nichol and I are

422
00:35:01.639 --> 00:35:07.039
going at it, there's a special
news bulletin alert here in Pittsburgh's so nobody

423
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:14.880
that knows it was unbelievable. They
caught this guy who held up a armored

424
00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:16.639
car. He killed his partner.
I don't know if you remember that,

425
00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:22.039
Conaius. He killed his partner and
took off with the money, and they

426
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:24.920
finally caught him in Florida or wherever
he was, you know, So they

427
00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:29.039
cut out the whole end of the
show for this special news bullooking, so

428
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:32.800
nobody around here got to see the
end when I got into it with Joe.

429
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:37.880
But you know, the funny thing, though, was there were thirteen

430
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:45.039
pages of comments on the Anderson Cooper
website regarding the show and the way that

431
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:50.960
they viewed the witnesses being treated.
And you know, he also sprung a

432
00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:53.920
psychic medium on. You know,
at the last minute. When I got

433
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:57.960
there, he told me they were
going to put the psychic medium up and

434
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:00.840
could you support her? And I
said, I'm not supporting. You got

435
00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:06.079
three witnesses, myself and a skeptic. I said, that's all you need

436
00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:08.159
for your show. You got plenty
here. We don't need to introduce a

437
00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:12.480
psychic medium. Now. I know
they used them in police cases, and

438
00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:15.960
some of them probably have ability.
But you know, when you saw the

439
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:20.639
show and what this woman said that
Anderson Cooper was from Limoria, I mean,

440
00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:24.000
it just it became stupid at that
point, you know. So so

441
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:28.920
that so that show went from being
great to being eh, okay. But

442
00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:31.079
here's the thing that happened though.
You know, I called the producer twice

443
00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:35.360
and had some conversations with him,
and I told him, take a look

444
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:38.320
at your website. You got more
hits on this show than any other show

445
00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:42.360
you've ever done. And you know, a lot of it had to be

446
00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:45.679
the way you slighted the show,
you know, in favor of the skeptic

447
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:50.440
and you know, and nobody but
you and I know what you cut out

448
00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:52.679
of the show, which which turned
it completely around. But you know that's

449
00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:58.440
what the media does. That was
NBC. And you know, so after

450
00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:00.960
the show airs, I say to
myself, well, well wait a minute,

451
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:07.000
this aired on NBC here in Pittsburgh. Oh I remember Trayvon Martin and

452
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:13.639
Zimmerman. NBC remember how they edited
the nine to one one call to turn

453
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:17.039
it around into a racist situation when
that wasn't what the call was, but

454
00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:20.800
they made it be that way.
So I said, well, I guess

455
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:23.400
that's what NBC does. Wow.
And you know what, I know,

456
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:28.239
there's no doubt because he's a producer, Anderson Cooper I'm sure had a lot

457
00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:31.159
to do with it also because I
mean, he's a skeptic and he's a

458
00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:35.559
good guy, but he you know, he's a skeptic. He's always kind

459
00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:39.360
of the only couple of times he's
talked about this issue, been very skeptic

460
00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:45.320
and uh, and of course during
the show he was and yeah, big

461
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:51.280
applause whenever he made a joke or
he said something. And then at the

462
00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:53.039
end, you know, he says, I don't really believe this kind of

463
00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:58.599
even setting up the audience. So
then when he took the raise of hands,

464
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:00.960
you know, not many of the
audience raise their hands. Yeah,

465
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:04.480
that was unfortunate, and I felt
bad for you. You. I mean,

466
00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:06.559
you stood your ground, you did
a great job, but you were

467
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:09.559
kind of the only like investigator.
A lot of these others, you know,

468
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:15.079
had a lot of except for your
witness for the bugs County siding,

469
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:20.159
we're really kind of on the fringe. And he was dealing with many different

470
00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:24.159
issues and muddling it all together,
and it wasn't really a fair shake.

471
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:28.039
Yeah, no, I agree,
but you know what came out of it

472
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:31.000
though, And I don't know if
it was the all of the comments that

473
00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:37.480
were on the website. That show
aired in April, I think June first,

474
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:42.480
they left for the summer and they
came back September first with the show.

475
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:45.920
The show was live now, so
you know, it went from being

476
00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:51.239
a tape show to a live show. And you were one of the last

477
00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:54.480
four or five segments that he had, you know, and you know,

478
00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:59.440
so I don't know if that was
because all of our complaints about the editing

479
00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:01.320
and you know. And I called
the producer up and I said, hey,

480
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:06.599
now put me back on live,
you know, because he really liked

481
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:07.639
what I did on the show.
And he even said to me, you

482
00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:10.760
know, you did great, and
you you know, you stood your grounds

483
00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:14.800
and you you know, you fought
for your side, and he said,

484
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:16.480
this is great. So I said, good, Now put me back on

485
00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:20.519
live, you know, and and
bring Joe back if you want, just

486
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:22.559
Joe and I and we'll have the
debate on whether the UFOs are real,

487
00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:27.679
you know, so we'll see what
happens. Yeah, Joe nichol is frustrating.

488
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:30.519
He's one of those debunkers. Debunkers, And what's really frustrating with him

489
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:35.480
is even in his title, it's
just a lie. It's not true.

490
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:38.599
And he's supposed to be some investigator. He says he's the only full time

491
00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:44.679
paranormal investigator. Yeah wrong. You
know, there are plenty of people who

492
00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:47.079
have done that. I've done that
for a period of time, paid full

493
00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:52.800
time. You pretty much do that. Now you're a full time paranormal and

494
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:55.960
you know there are many many others
over the years, and he's always said

495
00:39:57.079 --> 00:40:01.159
the only full time paranormal investigator.
Yeah. Well, you know what,

496
00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:05.880
I found out something else about these
guys. You know, they come on

497
00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:08.079
saying that they're skeptics, and everybody
says, oh, okay, so that

498
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:13.760
makes them like smart and they look
things up and all that. But here's

499
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:15.760
something else. And I just came
across this. I don't know where these

500
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:24.960
guys belong to. A society be
called the Society of Skeptics, agnostics,

501
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:30.960
and atheists. Okay, so that
means they don't believe in God, they

502
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:34.599
don't believe in anything. So I
guarantee you the next time I'm on the

503
00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:37.079
show with a skeptic. If I
can get back on Anderson he brings Michael

504
00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:40.719
Shearmer or Joe back, I'm gonna
ask him, do you belong to that

505
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:45.960
society of the skeptics and all of
that? And then I'm gonna turn that

506
00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:46.840
around to them. Oh so,
let me get this right. You're an

507
00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:50.800
atheist. You don't believe in God. Okay, so you don't believe in

508
00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:55.159
UFOs, you don't believe in God. You're an agnostic. You're a skeptic

509
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:58.880
where you only believe what can be
put out in front of your face.

510
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:00.480
So I think if you give them
the whole title, not just a skeptic,

511
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:06.199
they're a skeptic, agnostic, and
atheist. That's the society they belong

512
00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:08.960
to. Yeah, I think you're
right. I think that's very It gives

513
00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:15.199
a full kind of you know,
it's like it's like they were doing with

514
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:17.519
you or with the UFO topic.
It's like they're trying to air a lot

515
00:41:17.559 --> 00:41:22.159
of dirty laundry where they don't do
that with the other side. Yeah.

516
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:25.599
I agree. So, so you
know, it was a good experience.

517
00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:30.199
You know, I tell you that
night that they put you up in a

518
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:32.800
hotel the night before and it's kind
of a little dinky hotel down the street

519
00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:36.800
from Columbus Circle. But you know
what I did. I booked my flight

520
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:39.079
out the you know, the following
day. So I stayed nextra day in

521
00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:45.159
Manhattan, and I booked myself into
the Waldorf for Astoria using my Hilton Hotel

522
00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:49.440
points. How. Wow, what
a great experience that was. Wow,

523
00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:53.440
because I'm a platinum something member with
them, because I have time shares and

524
00:41:53.559 --> 00:41:57.960
they have to upgrade you. So
they upgraded me to the towers to a

525
00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:04.000
suite. What a room. Unbelievable. That was probably an eight nine hundred

526
00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:07.199
dollars room that they put me in. So it wow for me, that

527
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:09.760
was a great, great couple of
days. Now, I just wish they

528
00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:13.400
didn't do the editing because I kind
of put a damper on it, you

529
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:15.760
know, right, Yeah, that's
turkey, that's too bad. Yeah,

530
00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:20.679
it's great to hear your side too, because I didn't know that. Yeah,

531
00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:22.320
I don't know if many people did. No, I mean, the

532
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:25.599
only people that know. Well,
I'll tell you what though, if you

533
00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:30.440
didn't know, you know, I
did write something in the journal. I

534
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:34.079
wrote a rebuttal to my first I
wrote a story that actually got into the

535
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:37.239
Journal before the show actually aired,
So then I wrote a rebuttal to it

536
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:42.480
saying, well, everybody probably read
my my write up last month, Well

537
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:45.360
let me tell you what happened.
So so I did put it in the

538
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:50.079
Journal, and it's in my book
too, in one of the sections that

539
00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:53.079
covers the media, I put that
in there as to how the Hole Anderson

540
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:57.800
Cooper show went. So that's that's
part that's in my book. Okay,

541
00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:00.239
Yeah, Well let's before we get
to the book, because I think we'll

542
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:05.519
probably spend a lot of time on
that. Let's also talk about these conferences

543
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:10.559
that you have going on now.
You've been running two conferences in the Pennsylvania

544
00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:15.360
area essentially, yeah, and we're
going to up that to three. You

545
00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:17.719
know, even though the economy is
not as good, and you know,

546
00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:22.880
our pre sales are down about fifteen
twenty percent right now, I hope the

547
00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:27.480
crowd actually comes walking in and wait
until the last minute, because you know,

548
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:30.960
everything I've been involved in, you
know, jugle, diabetes, rotary,

549
00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:34.760
the golf outings, all the things
I do for charity around here in

550
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:38.039
Pittsburgh, attendance is down. People
are just not spending money. And you

551
00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:43.760
saw it at the move On Symposium
in Cincinnati also, so you know,

552
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:45.639
our pre sales are down right now, but you know, I still think

553
00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:49.880
we're going to have a really good
conference. And you know, when I

554
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:52.800
say it's down, you know said
it drawing two hundred and twenty, we

555
00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:55.159
might draw one ninety and you know
per day, So you know, what

556
00:43:55.159 --> 00:44:00.199
are you gonna do? But yeah, we do two conferences, and we're

557
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:05.000
actually planning to do an ERIE Pennsylvania
conference too every May. So we'll do

558
00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:09.880
ERIE in May Philly in September and
Pittsburgh in October. And we have a

559
00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:15.239
great lineup, you know. This
this conference coming up tomorrow night. We

560
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:19.559
start off Friday night. I'm the
first speaker at five point thirty. It's

561
00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:23.360
at the Bucks County Sheridan Hotel,
right across from the Oxford Valley Mall,

562
00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:28.880
which is the place where all of
these UFO sidings in two thousand and eight

563
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:32.679
started in Pennsylvania. Right there at
that mall was where the whole flap started

564
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:38.039
with the two hundred sightings over four
months. Right, So you know,

565
00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:40.559
we you know, we obviously were
trying to be smart about it, and

566
00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:45.280
so we do the conference in the
location that got the pressed and people you

567
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:49.000
know, will come out because they
want to learn about it. But so

568
00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:52.199
it thoughts off with myself. Then
we have a cocktail hour, you know,

569
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:55.519
with our dervs, and then after
that is Frank Fashino and he's going

570
00:44:55.599 --> 00:45:01.679
to speak about the sixtieth anniversary of
the flat Woods Monster Case. So that's

571
00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:07.079
Friday night and that's thirty three dollars
to attend that Saturday, we have five

572
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:13.599
speakers. The last speaker today we
have the swy text and a few other

573
00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:19.719
speakers, but the last speaker today
on Saturday is Travis Walton. So he's

574
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:22.679
always I think he's really in demand
now he's been going around all over the

575
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:28.280
country speaking. So we have five
speakers Saturday, it's forty dollars to get

576
00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:30.760
in. And then Saturday night is
at dinner. You can sit at the

577
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:35.760
table with one of our twelve speakers. So we have a dinner with the

578
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:39.119
speakers and Peter Robbins speaks at the
dinner. That's thirty eight dollars for the

579
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:43.480
dinner. Then Sunday, you know, Sunday might be the best part of

580
00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:49.239
the whole lineup is we have four
speakers and then the speaker panel and our

581
00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:53.599
four speakers is Mark Passio. He's
a local guy, kind of more of

582
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:58.639
a paranormal investigator, but does UFOs
also, but a real good guy.

583
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:05.679
We follow that with Grant Cameron,
Stephen Bassett, and Richard Dolan. And

584
00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:09.199
you know, Bassett said to me
that those three had never done a conference

585
00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:13.519
together before. So he says,
make sure you tape it, sell the

586
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:16.440
DVDs, and you know she's and
it was his suggestion, he said for

587
00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:21.519
the panel, you know, put
the three of us together and we'll have

588
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:23.239
you know, other some of the
other speakers on the panel also, not

589
00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:27.239
just the three of them, but
I think the fact that you have those

590
00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:30.880
three speakers and then we get all
the all the other speakers together for that

591
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:34.599
question and answer session at the end
Sunday is going to make for a real

592
00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:37.320
good, real good conference. So
so that's the Philly Conference. It's our

593
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:43.880
fifth anniversary, and it's right where
the two thousand and eight UFO flap started

594
00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:47.079
in Pennsylvania, right, which kind
of started this conference off with a bang.

595
00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:52.639
I mean in the media big time
that sighting. And maybe you could

596
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:58.119
give a short kind of synopsis of
what happened there and then you had your

597
00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:01.280
conference, which was well attended and
it's been doing well ever since. Yeah,

598
00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:06.320
yeah, you know that conference,
the first one we had in January.

599
00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:10.079
It was actually January nine, right
after the TV shows aired on Discovery

600
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:17.239
Channel UFOs over Pennsylvania. That first
conference drew six hundred people. It was

601
00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:22.400
probably the largest UFO conference in the
country for a one day conference, you

602
00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:25.119
know, I know that. You
know, UFO Congress runs seven days,

603
00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:29.519
so they end up with more people, but for a one day conference,

604
00:47:29.559 --> 00:47:34.079
we had six hundred people come and
that started us off. I mean that

605
00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:37.360
was you know, we gave us
a little bit of funding so we can

606
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:40.920
hold these conferences each year, and
you know, every year we upgrade the

607
00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:45.159
conference too. This is now the
fifth conference, and you know this year

608
00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:50.239
we actually we have the ballrooms,
so we've you know, we've right,

609
00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:54.800
we've gotten each year a larger room
because our attendance has actually gone up fifteen

610
00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:59.679
percent every year. We draw about
thirty more people every year, more than

611
00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:01.679
the late year. So you know, we'll see how it looks right now.

612
00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:05.559
Right now, it looks like we
might be down twenty or thirty people,

613
00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:08.599
but it's still going to be a
great conference with somewhere around two hundred

614
00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:13.840
people per day. Yeah, great, great, And yeah, actually Friday

615
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:17.280
night's attendance for the cocktail Hour with
the two speakers, we've got about fifteen

616
00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:22.639
more people preregistered than we did last
year when we had lind Katai as the

617
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:29.079
Cocktail Hour speaker. Oh good.
So yeah, maybe you could talk about

618
00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:32.880
just briefly on that sighting that started
this whole thing off. Well, you

619
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:37.400
know what this two thousand and eight
case, you know it really when I

620
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:42.079
go back through it, it starts
around May and of May, beginning of

621
00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:45.639
June with some cases on the Pittsburgh
side, And that never really came out,

622
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:50.320
you know, even though I tried
to tell the producers and you know

623
00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:53.119
and other people when they talk about
maybe we'll do well we just did the

624
00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:58.559
Canadian Discovery Channel, but we never
really talked about the Pittsburgh side of the

625
00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:01.719
state. It was always the Phillies. But what happened was there were some

626
00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:07.320
UFOs coming down from Lake Erie over
East Lake, Ohio. And then from

627
00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:12.119
there. The strange thing is I
get this guy Sam Over in East Lake,

628
00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:15.320
Ohio, calling me saying, I
see these UFOs coming in off the

629
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:21.639
lake. Then I get a guy
in West Virginia over by Pittsburgh. We

630
00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:25.559
wheeling or weird in West Virginia.
He tells me he sees these UFOs coming

631
00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:29.519
in from Ohio. So there the
same ones they came in over the lake.

632
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:34.760
Then I get a guy in central
Pennsylvania up by Penn State saying,

633
00:49:35.079 --> 00:49:37.280
I see UFOs coming across the you
know, coming across the state. So

634
00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:42.480
you know, you start putting it
together. We got UFOs coming in over

635
00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:46.639
Lake Erie, Ohio, across this
little peninsula of West Virginia before you get

636
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:52.400
into Pittsburgh. We got cases in
Pittsburgh. Then we got cases across the

637
00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:57.280
state, over by Penn State.
And then we got the big flap over

638
00:49:57.400 --> 00:50:02.320
in Philadelphia where just it started at
that mall, at the Oxford Valley Mall.

639
00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:07.760
It started with a news story that
these kids leaving a swim meet saw

640
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:14.159
this UFO over It wasn't over the
mall, it was over the Mexican restaurant

641
00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:17.320
Don Pablo's that had gone out of
business, and they saw it, you

642
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:22.000
know, hovering over the over the
building, and that hit the press,

643
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:24.559
and uh, we just got so
many good cases. I mean, we

644
00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:28.880
got uh. I think when I
look back at it. There were three

645
00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:35.880
police officers that filed cases. There
were three military people that filed reports.

646
00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:39.239
And the one case we had from
the police officer was great. And uh,

647
00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:44.639
you know, I spoke to the
precinct and the media supervisor and they

648
00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:49.480
just killed it. They wouldn't allow
him to come forward. And he sent

649
00:50:49.559 --> 00:50:52.119
me saying it's good for my career
and I can't come forward, you know.

650
00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:54.760
And I put that email in my
book without his name, obviously,

651
00:50:55.079 --> 00:51:00.159
but I just put the text of
the emails to what he said about how

652
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:02.000
he couldn't come forward. And I
didn't name the police department, you know,

653
00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:06.639
I didn't name the police department either, But you know, so that

654
00:51:06.760 --> 00:51:09.000
was a good case. But then
you got to these two other cases that

655
00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:15.119
made it to the TV show.
You had Denise and you had Cliff,

656
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:22.079
and it was it's around the same
time that it that these sightings occur in

657
00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:25.639
July, and and you have it's
about the same time a night too.

658
00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:31.000
It's at about four am. Both
cases, the dog wakes the person up,

659
00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:36.360
the dog starts barking, and in
Denise's case, she walks out to

660
00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:39.639
the back door, goes in her
yard and she sees this triangular UFO.

661
00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:45.760
It has three lights, you know, one on each corner. And there's

662
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:50.440
about eight witnesses to this, also
different people in the in the housing complex

663
00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:53.960
at different times. Because Denise saw
this three or four times and there's a

664
00:51:53.960 --> 00:51:58.800
total of eight witnesses. And on
one of the cases, she says,

665
00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:04.159
it drops these metals, Alex sprinkles
down. She thinks they're probes into a

666
00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:07.760
tree, a privatory right there in
the in her backyard, and she tries

667
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:12.480
to take pictures. She don't get
pictures. But you know, Bob Gardner

668
00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:17.719
is my chief investigator. He takes
samples from the tree and then other trees

669
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:23.360
in the neighborhood and we send it
off to Professor Levingood for analysis, and

670
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:30.119
you know, it comes back that
there's high levels of boron and magnesium on

671
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:35.079
these leaves on her tree where she
said something happened. So, you know,

672
00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:37.960
I asked, Denise, you carry
boron and magnesium in your spice rack

673
00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:40.920
and she didn't know what She didn't
know what I was talking about, but

674
00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:45.599
you know, so she didn't sprinkle
you know, boron and magnesium on her

675
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:50.360
leaves from the second floor window,
you know, But you know, then

676
00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:57.519
I came across something else in my
other reading called force its Repetitions, and

677
00:52:57.559 --> 00:53:00.639
this was written, you know,
twenty years ago. I think George Forcett

678
00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:07.400
was North Carolina state director. Years
ago. He identified twenty five things that

679
00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:12.639
are similar in UFO sidings. What
do you think Number six is boron and

680
00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:17.159
magnesium, So I guess that shows
up as a trace element on UFON siding.

681
00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:21.719
So you know, she had a
good case. Bill Burns with UFO

682
00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:25.119
hunters. You know, he got
the police involved, the sketch artist.

683
00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:29.239
He interviewed all of the witnesses separately
and he said, you know, the

684
00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:32.679
sketches matchup. You know, he
had them interviewed separately and he said,

685
00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:36.400
you know, this looks like a
good case. So that was a real

686
00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:39.480
interesting case with Denise. And then
att, like I said, at the

687
00:53:39.519 --> 00:53:45.000
same time, you get Cliff's case. And Cliff is the retired He's living

688
00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:50.280
in Doylestown, so that's a little
bit north of Denise, maybe about fifteen

689
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:53.480
miles or so. And same time, four in the morning, dog starts

690
00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:57.960
barking. He looks out the window. This happens twice now a couple of

691
00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:01.800
weeks apart. He sees his slow
moving object coming, you know, towards

692
00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:05.400
his house. He thought it was
a cloud. He didn't know it was

693
00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:08.119
a hot air balloon. He said, what's this thing? And you know,

694
00:54:08.199 --> 00:54:10.639
he sees it when he gets closed, and it looks it looks like

695
00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:16.119
a six sided craft, very slowly
moving in the air over his house.

696
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:21.679
And the second time it happens,
he gets his wife and they go outside

697
00:54:21.800 --> 00:54:27.079
and there's a heat lightning storm and
when the lightning flashes in the background,

698
00:54:27.400 --> 00:54:35.320
he can see what looks like six
objects docked together, six triangular craft docked

699
00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:42.159
together, creating this six sided object. So so that you know, he

700
00:54:42.199 --> 00:54:45.360
thought that was, you know,
amazing, and it moved very slowly,

701
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:47.599
and then he said it just kind
of went off to the northeast. So

702
00:54:47.719 --> 00:54:52.320
Bob Gardener goes and visits the you
know, calls the Philly Tower, and

703
00:54:52.360 --> 00:54:58.000
they invite him up there clear him, and he goes up and they said,

704
00:54:58.039 --> 00:55:01.559
yeah, we had a large object
with no transponder came on their radar

705
00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:07.440
and it veered off to the northeast
towards New York City and that matched up

706
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:12.079
with Cliff's siding. But here's the
interesting thing with this case now, is

707
00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:16.079
so then we file. You know, after I'm told about everything transpired,

708
00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:21.079
I file freedom of information acts because
I want to get the radar right.

709
00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:24.239
So it comes back that there's no
more radar. It's beyond the forty five

710
00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:30.400
day retention period and there's no records
to be checked. So I filed an

711
00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:34.239
appeal and it came back with the
same explanation. I called, you know,

712
00:55:34.280 --> 00:55:37.039
the FAA, and they told me
the same thing as nothing. So

713
00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:40.079
I contact the Glenn Schultz, who's
you know, with Moufon, and he

714
00:55:40.119 --> 00:55:44.880
gives me the protocol. And you
know, they keep those radar discs.

715
00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:46.960
They don't get rid of them.
They're there right there in the office.

716
00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:52.559
They just filed in a different cabinet, you know. So the FAA is

717
00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:57.480
giving you these fourier ants saying that
there's no records to be checked, and

718
00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:02.039
that's not true. And I contact
this at the Philly Tower and I told

719
00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:06.920
them, Hey, this is the
procedure. You've got this radar and I

720
00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:09.559
want a copy of it. Well, this person responds back to me,

721
00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:14.800
I run an efficient office. Yes, I do have the radar. I'll

722
00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:17.400
send it to you. So now
this isn't direct conflict with a freedom of

723
00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:23.079
information act that says they don't have
it right. So that's significant. So

724
00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:28.199
this person sends me two discs.
Of course I can't read them because you

725
00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:35.639
have to have the airport's system to
be able to raptor system it's called to

726
00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:37.559
read the disc So I sent them
off to Glenn Shultz. He reads them.

727
00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:45.440
He pulls down six screens of paints
of objects that didn't have transponders on

728
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:49.639
it. Right. So I get
back to the person and tell her that

729
00:56:49.719 --> 00:56:55.000
the discs were corrupted and overlaid with
other, you know, other data,

730
00:56:55.039 --> 00:57:02.199
because that's what Glenn had told me. And she replies back that remember that

731
00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:06.639
the discs were not overlaid. I
didn't do that, you know, something

732
00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:08.000
to that extent. But I put
that in my book. Also, all

733
00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:12.360
of these emails, I took the
names out and I just put the conversation

734
00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:16.800
in my book. But it paints
a very clear picture of the FAA telling

735
00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:21.480
you there's no records to be checked, and this person giving me all the

736
00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:24.679
records to be checked, you know. And I think that's significant. And

737
00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:30.639
we didn't get to do that on
the Discovery Channel show because that all transpired

738
00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:32.840
after the show was filmed, which
happened. You know, we filmed that

739
00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:37.000
as this case was going on in
July and August, and the show had

740
00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:42.480
in November, but I finally got
to the truth about January of the following

741
00:57:42.559 --> 00:57:45.119
year. So you know, if
we can ever get to redo that show

742
00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:51.079
with Discovery Channel or History Channel,
you know, we'll we'll bring the facts

743
00:57:51.079 --> 00:57:54.920
out on the radar, right.
And I mean that was and that show

744
00:57:55.519 --> 00:58:00.719
especially nowadays, and I don't know
if some people listening are probably kind of

745
00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:04.400
new and they don't know that MUFON
had a show with Discovery Channel. There

746
00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:07.559
are only three episodes. One of
them is this one that you're talking about.

747
00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:10.400
Is UFO's Over America as a whole
show, And that was a really

748
00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:15.199
good show I thought. I mean, they showed all of your research and

749
00:58:15.280 --> 00:58:19.079
what you guys did. They included
the part about the tower and everything,

750
00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:23.000
and you know, I keep thinking
back to how good that show was,

751
00:58:24.199 --> 00:58:29.280
especially in light of these new shows
which are not close to us good.

752
00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:31.320
Yeah, that's exactly what I was
going to say, Alejandro. If you

753
00:58:31.400 --> 00:58:37.239
look at the UFOs over Earth three
episodes on Discovery Channel, which play all

754
00:58:37.280 --> 00:58:40.639
the time on Investigative Discovery, I
get every time it air, somebody sends

755
00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:45.000
me an email, calls me,
so you're on again? Good? You

756
00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:49.760
know, which is cool? I
got people from my high school graduating class.

757
00:58:50.039 --> 00:58:52.679
Is that you emis? I said, yeah, that's me. But

758
00:58:53.039 --> 00:58:57.760
you know, you compare it to
Chasing UFOs and you and then you compare

759
00:58:57.800 --> 00:59:01.320
it to that show we did for
years ago. I mean that show was

760
00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:06.559
good. You know what's funny?
You get this criticism all the time no

761
00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:08.000
matter what you do. You know, uh, you know, I mean

762
00:59:08.039 --> 00:59:13.159
people criticized Anderson Cooper show. You
know, people criticized because I got hot

763
00:59:13.199 --> 00:59:16.000
with the with Joe Nichols at the
end. But yet the three witnesses were

764
00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:20.280
happy. I did that, you
know, right, and the producer was

765
00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:23.760
happy also. But you know what
I remember four years ago people were criticizing,

766
00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:29.239
well, why did you air in
the North Carolina case with with Richard

767
00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:32.480
Lang if the guy failed a polygraph, Well that was part of the investigation.

768
00:59:32.679 --> 00:59:37.519
He failed a polygraph, but he
still says that he saw what he

769
00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:42.360
saw and and and you know that
he claims he had a close encounter third

770
00:59:42.440 --> 00:59:45.159
kind you know, so you know, but you know, this seems to

771
00:59:45.159 --> 00:59:49.679
always be criticism. But if you
look at that Chasing Ufoux show right now,

772
00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:52.960
My god. I mean, you
know they're handling evidence without gloves,

773
00:59:53.000 --> 01:00:00.360
they're going into radioactive areas. You
know, they're they're repelling down wall and

774
01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:04.519
I mean it's like it's nothing but
showbiz, you know, it's. Yeah,

775
01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:07.039
it's really sad. And you know, I talked with Ben McGee in

776
01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:10.079
fact, I saw him this last
week and the science guy on that show,

777
01:00:10.679 --> 01:00:16.039
and I mean he genuinely he kind
of had an Alan Heineck moment.

778
01:00:16.119 --> 01:00:22.880
He generally wanted to do some investigation, like like on the show that you

779
01:00:22.280 --> 01:00:27.679
were talking about the UFOs Pencil over
Pennsylvania episode of the UFOs over Earth,

780
01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:30.880
and they really didn't let him.
It was kind of like Heineck, where

781
01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:32.320
it's like, Okay, get in
there, and we're not going to tell

782
01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:37.079
you anything prior. We're not going
to really let you analyze anything, but

783
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:39.760
we're going to ask you to come
up with a conclusion without being able to

784
01:00:39.800 --> 01:00:45.920
do any research. So it's really
unfortunate because he thought it was going to

785
01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:47.639
be more like that, so did
James Box, and it turned out to

786
01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:53.119
be just nothing like that. But
you know what I read though, you

787
01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:57.639
know, it took the Fox had
a lot of guts to come forward and

788
01:00:57.719 --> 01:01:00.840
yes, this show wasn't what he
expects because they hijacked it from him.

789
01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:05.719
But there was a statement I read, I think it was an entertainment magazine

790
01:01:06.079 --> 01:01:09.679
or just in the newspaper, that
that that was the most highly rated show

791
01:01:10.280 --> 01:01:15.800
on that geo. They had more
people watching UFOs over Earth, I mean,

792
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:19.599
chasing UFOs than any of their other
shows. So you know they're going

793
01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:23.159
to renew it. It was their
highest rated show. Well that's in question

794
01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:28.079
because yeah, because Lispiegel did a
story too, and they told him that.

795
01:01:28.559 --> 01:01:31.639
However, it sounds like it's not
going to be renewed. Oh okay,

796
01:01:31.719 --> 01:01:36.039
yeah, well I will. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised either.

797
01:01:36.079 --> 01:01:39.239
But it puts in to question these
claims that they made that it was doing

798
01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:44.159
so well. Yeah. Well,
you know the female on their rider,

799
01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:47.960
if you watched any of that Destination
Truth on the Sci Fi Channel, she

800
01:01:49.119 --> 01:01:52.880
was in that and it was that
same mo of the same formula, yeah,

801
01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:58.000
repelling and that action type stuff.
So, uh, you know,

802
01:01:58.039 --> 01:02:00.960
I spoke with James Fox and I
told him, and he's going to be

803
01:02:01.559 --> 01:02:07.000
at our Philadelphia conference next year,
so he's gonna he's gonna be one of

804
01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:08.599
our speakers. He wants to come
to Philly and talk to the crowd.

805
01:02:08.679 --> 01:02:12.800
So that's gonna be cool. But
yeah, so that's you know, that's

806
01:02:12.840 --> 01:02:16.239
the story on those shows. Yeah. And now these these cases that you

807
01:02:16.360 --> 01:02:20.960
just talked about are two of the
cases that are in your new book,

808
01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:22.920
right, yeah, yeah, they're
in there. So what is the name

809
01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:27.239
of the book? You know,
how many? What is it? Just

810
01:02:27.400 --> 01:02:31.239
of it? Okay, well the
book is now. Now we just talked

811
01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:36.559
about the show which was UFOs Over
Earth, right, So I named my

812
01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:40.440
book UFOs over Pennsylvania. Ah,
there you go. And in the opening

813
01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:45.039
I say it's you know, it's
a takeoff from the TV show in two

814
01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:47.920
thousand and eight. And we have
a great cover that shows the state of

815
01:02:47.960 --> 01:02:52.000
Pennsylvania. I got these little dots, you know, like like you would

816
01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:55.679
put a pin everywhere you had a
UFO case. Now you know, most

817
01:02:55.719 --> 01:03:00.159
of them in that Bucks County area, in the Pittsburgh area, And I

818
01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:04.039
got a UFO and then I got
these three bright lights on the other corner.

819
01:03:04.119 --> 01:03:08.000
So it's a really nice cover.
And the book, Alejandro, is

820
01:03:08.239 --> 01:03:14.920
five hundred and eighty pages. I
could have wrote a thousand pages on that,

821
01:03:15.320 --> 01:03:17.119
you know, and I was actually
when I was talking to the publisher,

822
01:03:17.119 --> 01:03:20.679
he says, you got to split
this up into two books. I

823
01:03:20.719 --> 01:03:22.159
said, well, you know,
I'm going to give it. I'm gonna

824
01:03:22.159 --> 01:03:24.880
put it all into one book,
and I'm just gonna make it really good

825
01:03:24.920 --> 01:03:30.840
for the people here in Pennsylvania.
But it has ninety pictures in it.

826
01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:36.079
It has five hundred and eighty pages. There are fifteen different authors to the

827
01:03:36.119 --> 01:03:39.599
book I wrote. There's thirty five
chapters. I wrote twenty one chapters.

828
01:03:39.920 --> 01:03:45.519
The other fourteen chapters are written by
fourteen different authors, which made it very

829
01:03:45.559 --> 01:03:51.480
easy for me. You know,
we have we have Bill Burns wrote a

830
01:03:51.559 --> 01:03:54.840
chapter on the Bucks County case because
he was involved in that with UFO Hunters.

831
01:03:55.519 --> 01:04:03.320
Tom Carrey wrote a chapter on the
Carbondale case that he investigated with the

832
01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:08.920
Rick Fisher. And then I have
a Reverend Swoop out of Erie. And

833
01:04:09.000 --> 01:04:12.840
we didn't get to talk about the
Eurie conference or the Pittsburgh conference coming up,

834
01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:17.599
but Reverend Swoop and Fred Saluga wrote
a chapter on Prescal Island. One

835
01:04:17.599 --> 01:04:21.960
of my investigators wrote a chapter on
Harrisburg cases. And then there's some personal

836
01:04:23.000 --> 01:04:28.880
accounts in there too, from Chris
Augustine and Melissa Milano. She was the

837
01:04:28.880 --> 01:04:33.360
one in the show with us in
that case, the Asian woman if you

838
01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:39.760
remember her LISTA Simon is her name. Melissa Simon wrote, she wrote a

839
01:04:39.840 --> 01:04:43.239
chapter, so it's really cool,
you know. And then you know,

840
01:04:43.280 --> 01:04:45.239
I even had a chapter on police
cases. So what he did was I

841
01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:50.920
investigated and pulled out all of the
UFO sidings over the years, and I

842
01:04:50.960 --> 01:04:55.679
think I go back to like nineteen
fifty five in Pennsylvania, and I have

843
01:04:55.800 --> 01:05:00.679
one chapter that has about thirty accounts
by police officer and I named their names

844
01:05:00.920 --> 01:05:06.599
because they were in newspaper articles and
their names were named, and so you

845
01:05:06.599 --> 01:05:10.719
know, you talk about, well
are their good police cases and sightings?

846
01:05:10.760 --> 01:05:15.199
Yeah, there's a whole chapter on
these police sightings throughout the state over about

847
01:05:15.199 --> 01:05:21.119
a fifty sixty year period. So
and then what I did was the last

848
01:05:21.360 --> 01:05:27.599
third of the book I call related
material, and I have chapters that I

849
01:05:27.639 --> 01:05:31.639
think people would want to read.
Scotti Roberts wrote a chapter on the mephylum.

850
01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:39.840
Paul Stonehill wrote a chapter on Russian
usos called Fine, wrote a chapter

851
01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:47.360
on American usos. Philip Mantel wrote
a chapter on the real alien autopsy story,

852
01:05:47.920 --> 01:05:50.719
which is a really good chapter.
And he wrote another chapter on a

853
01:05:50.800 --> 01:05:55.800
case in England. And so that's
all the different type of authors that I

854
01:05:55.880 --> 01:05:59.639
have in the book, writing different
chapters. And you know, I'm so

855
01:05:59.719 --> 01:06:01.719
proud of this book, I tell
you, Alejandro. I wrote the two

856
01:06:01.800 --> 01:06:05.159
twenty twelve books, which were,
you know, mostly science fiction books,

857
01:06:05.159 --> 01:06:11.039
although I did a lot of research
on the twenty twelve prophecies, the Mayans,

858
01:06:11.719 --> 01:06:15.360
you know, Hopee, Edgar Casey, all of these different cultures and

859
01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:18.400
prognosticators. But you know, I
did those two books, and now I

860
01:06:18.440 --> 01:06:21.239
got to my third book, and
I got to tell you, this is

861
01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:27.039
a quality book. The cover,
you know, the way it was put

862
01:06:27.039 --> 01:06:30.239
together, the pictures. You know, I'm very proud of this book.

863
01:06:30.840 --> 01:06:35.880
You know, even in the end
of the book, we have position statements

864
01:06:36.119 --> 01:06:42.000
by people in the field. I
was reading a UFO book written oh I

865
01:06:42.039 --> 01:06:45.519
had to be fifty years ago,
and I kept seeing in their position statement,

866
01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:49.159
position statement. I said, man, I haven't seen that in years

867
01:06:49.159 --> 01:06:53.760
position statement. So I all of
a sudden I was done with my book

868
01:06:53.960 --> 01:06:57.440
and I said, I'm hitting another
chapter right before I published it, and

869
01:06:57.480 --> 01:07:02.280
I emailed everybody that's ever spoken at
my com differences probably sent forty emails out

870
01:07:02.320 --> 01:07:09.440
and about thirty returned it with their
position statement on what they believe or no.

871
01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:11.719
You know, it's funny. One
of them, you know, I

872
01:07:11.760 --> 01:07:14.880
asked them to tell me what you
believe, and one of them actually came

873
01:07:14.920 --> 01:07:18.880
back Sallas with the Malstrom case and
he said, John, this isn't what

874
01:07:18.920 --> 01:07:23.800
I believe. This is what I
know because I was there. She gave

875
01:07:23.840 --> 01:07:28.519
me his position statement. But you
know that chapter in the back has you

876
01:07:28.559 --> 01:07:34.000
know, thirty different position statements.
Stanton Friedman, Lind Katai, Bill Burns,

877
01:07:34.159 --> 01:07:39.679
you know, all the usual suspects
that speak at the conferences. But

878
01:07:39.719 --> 01:07:41.719
you know what I was thinking,
and I think this is going to be

879
01:07:41.760 --> 01:07:45.440
pretty cool when we do these two
conferences now over the next two weeks.

880
01:07:45.079 --> 01:07:50.920
Is you can buy this book.
It's only twenty dollars for five hundred and

881
01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:56.679
eighty pages, and you know,
I'll obviously autograph it. But at any

882
01:07:56.760 --> 01:08:00.400
given conference, there's going to be
four or five people who wrote something in

883
01:08:00.440 --> 01:08:04.840
that book. So you can get
Bill Burns, Tom Carry, you can

884
01:08:04.840 --> 01:08:09.679
get you know, this Weekend Grant
Camera and Steven Bassett, all Gaming position

885
01:08:09.800 --> 01:08:12.960
statements and you can get their signature, you can get them to autograph their

886
01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:15.840
position statement or the chapters that they
wrote. And I think that's going to

887
01:08:15.920 --> 01:08:18.159
be cool. I'm going to tell
people, you bring the book back every

888
01:08:18.239 --> 01:08:23.399
year to the two conferences or three
conferences once we start earing next year,

889
01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:26.960
and just keep getting signatures. Over
four or five year period. You're going

890
01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:30.880
to get thirty signatures in this book
and that kind of makes it a collector's

891
01:08:30.880 --> 01:08:33.359
item. Yeah, that is really
cool. And you know, not only

892
01:08:33.399 --> 01:08:38.159
that, I'm sure you know other
conferences you go to since you have so

893
01:08:38.199 --> 01:08:43.119
many people in there that most likely
they'll be a speaker from at that conference.

894
01:08:43.159 --> 01:08:45.079
It's in your book. Yeah,
you know what I didn't You know

895
01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:49.880
what, you just gave me a
great thought. I have one copy the

896
01:08:49.920 --> 01:08:54.960
first edition that I have downstairs and
I signed it and wrote first edition.

897
01:08:55.479 --> 01:08:58.239
What I'm going to do now,
I have to bring that with me now

898
01:08:58.279 --> 01:09:01.079
to all these conferences, and I
h I got to get those people to

899
01:09:01.199 --> 01:09:04.399
autograph that, just like I'm asking
everybody else. I need to do that.

900
01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:09.079
You just you just gave me a
great idea. I have to do

901
01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:15.279
that now. Yeah, that's really
cool. Now with this book when you

902
01:09:15.319 --> 01:09:17.840
were putting it together, there must
have been some stuff that was kind of

903
01:09:17.880 --> 01:09:24.800
news to you or something that you
found particularly shocking or interesting that you didn't

904
01:09:24.880 --> 01:09:28.760
know before. Well, you know, right in the prelude, right in

905
01:09:28.800 --> 01:09:33.560
the beginning, I came across something
called what President Kenny would have said?

906
01:09:34.119 --> 01:09:42.800
And it's a letter written it's what
this is by Professor Lawrence Merrick. And

907
01:09:43.399 --> 01:09:45.760
he has a you know, a
letter there of what the President would have

908
01:09:45.800 --> 01:09:54.199
said regarding disclosure. But what he
does talk about was two uh documents which

909
01:09:54.239 --> 01:10:00.880
I was able to find and put
in the book from Kennedy that were a

910
01:10:00.920 --> 01:10:05.279
week prior to his assassination, and
you know, it regards him talking about

911
01:10:05.279 --> 01:10:10.720
coming forward with the truth and stuff
like that. So there were two very

912
01:10:10.840 --> 01:10:15.079
very interesting documents seven days prior to
his assassination. So you know, there

913
01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:18.560
are people that you know, surmised, you know, why was Kennedy killed?

914
01:10:18.640 --> 01:10:23.399
And you know, but but I'm
coming across more now that there might

915
01:10:23.399 --> 01:10:27.800
have been a UFO angle to this
that he was going to come forward,

916
01:10:28.079 --> 01:10:30.920
you know, with the truth as
far as what was going on, And

917
01:10:30.960 --> 01:10:32.800
the same thing with Robert Kennedy.
So you know, I found that to

918
01:10:32.880 --> 01:10:38.000
be very interesting. But you know, it surprised me with all of the

919
01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:41.720
police cases because I didn't know I
was just going to come across, you

920
01:10:41.760 --> 01:10:44.479
know, and I was actually writing
the chapters, you know, like the

921
01:10:44.520 --> 01:10:48.439
different chapters UFOs over Bradford, over
Reading, over Somerset, over Bloomsburg,

922
01:10:48.760 --> 01:10:54.159
and I kept coming across an article
that talked about a police police recalled to

923
01:10:54.199 --> 01:10:56.760
the scene and saw the UFO.
I said, you know what, I

924
01:10:56.800 --> 01:10:59.760
got to put a chapter in there
on police sightings, pull all of those

925
01:10:59.800 --> 01:11:02.920
together together and make a separate chapter
out of it. You know. There

926
01:11:02.960 --> 01:11:09.479
is also another chapter in there,
which I called mummification. And this is

927
01:11:09.520 --> 01:11:14.239
an interesting, uh story. Uh, I guess it was about you know,

928
01:11:14.279 --> 01:11:15.960
I have to look at my books
see what it was. It was

929
01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:20.920
maybe four or five years ago that
I had this person contact me and she

930
01:11:21.079 --> 01:11:26.920
started she had I verified her background. She was uh, you know NSA

931
01:11:27.720 --> 01:11:31.920
and uh you know, and she
she would tell me stuff about UFOs,

932
01:11:31.960 --> 01:11:36.000
about you know, them being real, but she got often into almost like

933
01:11:36.039 --> 01:11:41.920
it's inter dimensional and and things like
that. And but then she didn't hear

934
01:11:41.960 --> 01:11:44.720
from her for a while, and
she contacts me and says tell me about

935
01:11:45.239 --> 01:11:48.520
the Todd CS case in Pennsylvania.
So you know, I told her the

936
01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:53.319
Todd's story. She says, well, this is important to me because my

937
01:11:53.399 --> 01:11:58.159
grandfather used to tell me a story
that he was abducted by UFO. He

938
01:11:58.279 --> 01:12:00.239
woke, he awoke, and he
was in like the top of a tree,

939
01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:04.760
and there was there was like a
calf cattle in the tree with him,

940
01:12:04.880 --> 01:12:09.000
you know. And she said,
I've researched it and come up with

941
01:12:09.119 --> 01:12:15.920
six cases around the country where people
were killed and mummified and dropped into a

942
01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:18.840
tree. And that's why she was
looking at the Todd Sees case. Because

943
01:12:18.880 --> 01:12:26.920
Todd left his house to go ride
his ATV and he's found like a mile

944
01:12:27.000 --> 01:12:31.880
from his ATV. He's in his
underwear, his boots are two miles away

945
01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:36.760
in the top of a tree.
And you know that they say he was

946
01:12:36.840 --> 01:12:41.319
drained of blood. There was no
fluids in his body, and that's why

947
01:12:41.359 --> 01:12:44.880
she was asking him about it.
But she goes on to tell me a

948
01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:48.079
whole bunch of other stuff, and
I copied everything she said. You know,

949
01:12:48.119 --> 01:12:53.479
I changed her name and I put
all of our conversations in the book.

950
01:12:53.680 --> 01:12:56.560
Now I lost track of her.
I think it was two years ago,

951
01:12:56.760 --> 01:12:59.319
right about now, it's about two
years ago. I lost track of

952
01:12:59.359 --> 01:13:02.000
her, and she said she was
she had to leave the country. She

953
01:13:02.119 --> 01:13:06.800
was. She contacted me from Europe
twice and told me where she was.

954
01:13:06.840 --> 01:13:13.279
She even sent me pictures of where
she was. And that's it gone.

955
01:13:13.520 --> 01:13:15.760
You know, she was kind of
like on the run. She was one

956
01:13:15.760 --> 01:13:17.800
of these people. And I asked, I will tell you to tell you

957
01:13:17.840 --> 01:13:21.840
who I asked somebody, really you
would know who the person is, obviously,

958
01:13:21.920 --> 01:13:26.039
do you know this person? And
he confirmed, oh yeah, she

959
01:13:26.239 --> 01:13:30.439
was like deep deep, you know, into undercover type stuff, and he

960
01:13:30.760 --> 01:13:33.640
knew who she was. And she's
gone two years now. I have not

961
01:13:33.920 --> 01:13:38.920
emailed her, tried her phone number. I can't. I can't seem to

962
01:13:38.960 --> 01:13:43.159
track her down. So that chapters
in there, it's called mummification, and

963
01:13:43.600 --> 01:13:47.039
I think that's a real interesting,
real interesting chapter in there. Yeah,

964
01:13:47.079 --> 01:13:50.760
how strange. And you were able
to confirm she actually did work for the

965
01:13:50.880 --> 01:13:56.359
NSSA. Yeah, yeah, I
confirmed her background and this other well,

966
01:13:56.399 --> 01:14:00.600
that person told me she was deep
into stuff that he knew who she was,

967
01:14:00.159 --> 01:14:02.720
and that's what she had told me, you know, So you know,

968
01:14:02.760 --> 01:14:05.760
it's a really interesting chapter. And
you know, probably the thing I

969
01:14:05.880 --> 01:14:11.720
learned the most from this book was
I did a chapter on Nazi UFOs,

970
01:14:11.760 --> 01:14:15.319
and you know, that was something
that we didn't really know a lot about.

971
01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:19.840
And I think the first time I
heard anything about Nazi UFOs was when

972
01:14:19.920 --> 01:14:26.079
James Carrion brought that up at the
what was that the two thousand and nine

973
01:14:26.159 --> 01:14:31.960
symposium when he talked about Roswell and
and possibly you know, being Nazi technology,

974
01:14:32.119 --> 01:14:36.960
and it was it wasn't extraterrestrial,
but it was actually somebody flying that.

975
01:14:38.159 --> 01:14:41.520
You know, it was American Russian
technology. I had never heard of

976
01:14:41.520 --> 01:14:44.840
that before. But you know,
so I did some research into the Nazi

977
01:14:44.920 --> 01:14:50.760
UFO program and Kamla and what interesting
information I came up with a high jump

978
01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:58.039
and a few others that really interesting, and and Hitler's involvement in the occult

979
01:14:58.319 --> 01:15:02.880
and of real society and a book
written in eighteen seventy one called the vril

980
01:15:02.960 --> 01:15:10.079
Ya and his belief in this you
know, underground society in Hollow Earth.

981
01:15:10.279 --> 01:15:14.239
And if anything, that was the
chapter where I learned the most that I

982
01:15:14.279 --> 01:15:18.319
didn't wasn't aware of. And you
know, it's funny discovery Canada came out

983
01:15:18.359 --> 01:15:26.039
here maybe three weeks ago to film
the Keksburg UFO case with Stan Gordon and

984
01:15:26.119 --> 01:15:30.680
myself and the local witnesses, and
they said to me, I want you

985
01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:36.239
to cover the Nazi angle on Kesburg
because it looked just like the Bell program.

986
01:15:36.520 --> 01:15:41.720
So I had already done the research
for my book on the Nazi UFO

987
01:15:41.840 --> 01:15:44.039
program and the Bell and all of
that, so I said, yeah,

988
01:15:44.079 --> 01:15:46.119
that's cool, I'll do that because
I just learned about it, and you

989
01:15:46.119 --> 01:15:49.920
know, so that was my part
in the TV show, was talking about

990
01:15:49.960 --> 01:15:54.520
the Nazi program, which I think
would make a great movie if somebody,

991
01:15:54.800 --> 01:15:58.439
you know, like Valkyrie with Tom
Cruise, you know, and let's do

992
01:15:58.520 --> 01:16:01.880
it from a UFO angle of KAMMLA
and these secret programs and what they were

993
01:16:01.920 --> 01:16:09.439
working on. Yeah, yeah,
I mean that would be interesting. But

994
01:16:09.960 --> 01:16:15.000
I wanted to know also about some
of the cop cases. Were you able

995
01:16:15.039 --> 01:16:18.600
to speak to some police other than
the one that you said we wanted to

996
01:16:18.600 --> 01:16:24.159
say anonymous earlier? Yeah, well, yeah, that one I had.

997
01:16:24.199 --> 01:16:28.119
I had direct contact. Most of
these other cases though were old. They

998
01:16:28.119 --> 01:16:32.319
were really from newspaper articles and that
type of stuff, and you know,

999
01:16:32.399 --> 01:16:38.479
will help me tremendously with this book. Was John Shustler. John sent me

1000
01:16:38.640 --> 01:16:44.439
packet after packet of old stories from
Pennsylvania, and you know, I would

1001
01:16:44.520 --> 01:16:47.640
go through them and break them down
by city and kind of categorize them,

1002
01:16:47.880 --> 01:16:53.600
you know, vigil chapter and that's
where I came across the police cases.

1003
01:16:53.800 --> 01:16:57.000
But there were a lot of these
cases were fifty forty years old. You

1004
01:16:57.039 --> 01:17:00.279
know. I did try looking up
some of them and hauling and the phone,

1005
01:17:00.279 --> 01:17:03.680
but those people weren't around anymore.
And you know, it was interesting

1006
01:17:03.800 --> 01:17:08.119
even some of the people from the
two thousand and eight case, when I

1007
01:17:08.199 --> 01:17:13.199
tried to track them down and they
were gone. I sent release letters to

1008
01:17:13.239 --> 01:17:15.880
their house. They came back that
they were no forwarding address. I tried

1009
01:17:15.920 --> 01:17:19.760
their phone numbers from my mouf on
files when I was talking to them on

1010
01:17:19.800 --> 01:17:24.439
the investigations, they were gone.
You know. So obviously in the book,

1011
01:17:24.439 --> 01:17:27.000
I changed their names because I don't
know where they went. They could

1012
01:17:27.000 --> 01:17:30.760
be in Florida, but you know, so it became it was in a

1013
01:17:30.760 --> 01:17:33.640
lot of instances, it was hard
to track these people down, you know,

1014
01:17:33.720 --> 01:17:36.079
so you just and I say that
in the opening too. You know,

1015
01:17:36.119 --> 01:17:40.399
I changed a lot of names for
obvious reasons. Uh, you know,

1016
01:17:41.199 --> 01:17:44.479
I couldn't find them, so I
didn't have differentmission, so I just

1017
01:17:44.880 --> 01:17:49.399
used a different name and described what
happened. So do you feel that Pennsylvania

1018
01:17:49.479 --> 01:17:55.239
is a hot spot? Well,
yeah, it absolutely is. And you

1019
01:17:55.279 --> 01:17:59.520
know, one of the things I
mentioned in the book was in nine Popular

1020
01:17:59.600 --> 01:18:04.720
Mechanic of all magazines did a story
and it said that West Smoland County,

1021
01:18:04.760 --> 01:18:11.119
where I live and Stan Gordon lives, has had the most UFO cases of

1022
01:18:11.199 --> 01:18:15.000
any county in the United States that
doesn't have a major city in that county,

1023
01:18:15.039 --> 01:18:18.359
like La County, let's say,
But wes Smolland County has had the

1024
01:18:18.399 --> 01:18:24.720
most UFO cases over the last fifty
years of any county. That's really strange.

1025
01:18:24.760 --> 01:18:27.600
I wonder where they got this,
Maybe from Newport, because I certainly

1026
01:18:27.640 --> 01:18:31.840
wouldn't trust what anything they have to
say about UFOs. They're terrible on this

1027
01:18:31.960 --> 01:18:35.800
subject. Yeah, you're talking about
Popular Mechanics. Yeah, yeah, you

1028
01:18:35.840 --> 01:18:40.800
know. Actually some of my guys
email them and we're asking, you know,

1029
01:18:41.199 --> 01:18:43.800
what your source was and all of
that. But we do get a

1030
01:18:43.800 --> 01:18:47.720
lot of cases here in West Smallan
County I am, and I think it

1031
01:18:47.960 --> 01:18:54.600
probably Stamp and Gordon who he had
such a network here with the police and

1032
01:18:55.000 --> 01:18:59.920
investigators and scientists and newspapers. I
mean, in this area, he did

1033
01:19:00.159 --> 01:19:03.319
what a state director should do.
And so I think any case that came

1034
01:19:03.439 --> 01:19:06.920
up, you know, it got
reported and it got categorized. But the

1035
01:19:08.000 --> 01:19:13.880
thing I add to that story is
that Bucks County over the last four years

1036
01:19:13.880 --> 01:19:17.039
since the two thousand and eight flap, has had the most cases of any

1037
01:19:17.119 --> 01:19:21.319
county in the United States. I
mean, you can throw Stevensville in there,

1038
01:19:21.760 --> 01:19:27.479
you know, I've got I've got
at least six hundred cases out of

1039
01:19:27.479 --> 01:19:30.880
Bucks County over the last four years. You know, So the Bucks County

1040
01:19:30.920 --> 01:19:36.479
and Westmoreland County are the two hot
spots in the country. Pennsylvania usually comes

1041
01:19:36.479 --> 01:19:40.840
in third or fourth, you know, in sidings, you know, it's

1042
01:19:40.880 --> 01:19:45.359
usually California, Texas, and then
I you know, it's between Florida and

1043
01:19:45.399 --> 01:19:48.840
Pennsylvania as far as who ends up
number three and number four. But you

1044
01:19:48.880 --> 01:19:51.680
know, also you can look at
that and it's the states with the most

1045
01:19:51.720 --> 01:19:56.119
population, you know, usually get
the most sightings. You know, all

1046
01:19:56.159 --> 01:20:00.119
the all those states like and it's
really odd New York you don't see a

1047
01:20:00.119 --> 01:20:02.720
whole lot of cases, you know, Massachusetts, A lot of states that

1048
01:20:02.760 --> 01:20:05.640
have a lot of population, you're
not getting a lot of cases either,

1049
01:20:08.159 --> 01:20:15.119
right, And do you see then
in Bucks County that the events are similar?

1050
01:20:15.199 --> 01:20:18.359
Is it a similar type of phenomena
being experienced there? Well, you

1051
01:20:18.399 --> 01:20:23.720
know those cases there there were two
types in Bucks County. There was this

1052
01:20:23.880 --> 01:20:28.600
triangular craft that people were seeing when
they saw it low flying, you know,

1053
01:20:28.800 --> 01:20:32.039
like cloud level, below cloud level. And then there was a kind

1054
01:20:32.079 --> 01:20:36.439
of a starlike fast moving object that
they would see, you know, when

1055
01:20:36.439 --> 01:20:41.039
it was high at like ten thousand
feet let's say. And you know when

1056
01:20:41.039 --> 01:20:44.479
I saw something like that right in
the middle of that flap on June twenty

1057
01:20:44.520 --> 01:20:46.760
eighth, and it just stunned me. But you know, I did what

1058
01:20:46.800 --> 01:20:51.600
we're supposed to do. I went
to the tracking sites and it was actually

1059
01:20:51.640 --> 01:20:58.520
an asteroid that passed through at that
I think it was ten ten fifteen PM

1060
01:20:59.079 --> 01:21:02.359
and the moon light reflected off of
it. So I saw this bright object

1061
01:21:02.479 --> 01:21:08.079
was shoot by. There was no
contrail, no you know, no flash

1062
01:21:08.119 --> 01:21:11.399
toute or anything, but it was
lit up and it just moved across the

1063
01:21:11.439 --> 01:21:15.880
sky and it turned out to be
an asteroid. Mm hmm. But you

1064
01:21:15.920 --> 01:21:18.520
know the interesting thing too, is
uh, you know, I learned about

1065
01:21:18.600 --> 01:21:25.159
the t R three B, which
you know people claim is a you know,

1066
01:21:25.399 --> 01:21:30.640
Air Force government anti gravity craft,
and you know when you read about

1067
01:21:30.680 --> 01:21:34.079
it, it's a triangular craft with
three lights on it, and it actually

1068
01:21:34.119 --> 01:21:39.920
matched up to what Denise and you
know, half those cases were reporting.

1069
01:21:40.000 --> 01:21:44.000
So you got to wonder, now, was was it a government project that

1070
01:21:44.560 --> 01:21:48.199
these people saw in Bucks County?
Yeah? What you mentioned John Souschler when

1071
01:21:48.239 --> 01:21:53.359
he was part of the Biggelod group
NID they did an investigation where they tried

1072
01:21:53.399 --> 01:21:57.039
to figure that out. But of
course there's no official records. They couldn't

1073
01:21:57.079 --> 01:22:00.279
find for sure that the government ever
worked on a tr or something like that.

1074
01:22:00.680 --> 01:22:05.520
But of course if they have,
then that would you know, say

1075
01:22:05.560 --> 01:22:09.920
a lot, especially if they did
it towards the nineties when all the triangular

1076
01:22:10.000 --> 01:22:15.600
stuff started. So it's certainly an
interesting question. Yeah, no, I

1077
01:22:15.640 --> 01:22:17.159
agree with you, so, but
you know it makes me think because you

1078
01:22:17.199 --> 01:22:19.760
always, you know, none of
us have the answer, and we go

1079
01:22:19.880 --> 01:22:25.279
back and forth, you know,
and say, is it is it psychological?

1080
01:22:25.399 --> 01:22:29.119
Is it a misidentification? Is it
a government craft? And now even

1081
01:22:29.119 --> 01:22:32.039
though you try to figure that out, what I always do to ground myself

1082
01:22:32.159 --> 01:22:36.640
is I take go back and say, okay, that doesn't explain the older

1083
01:22:36.760 --> 01:22:40.520
cases. You know. And as
a matter of fact, tomorrow night,

1084
01:22:40.600 --> 01:22:45.640
my presentation, the start off the
conference is called UFOs and Art and History,

1085
01:22:45.119 --> 01:22:49.680
and I go into the Renaissance paint
things, the cave drames, the

1086
01:22:49.720 --> 01:22:54.319
petroglyphs, all of that type of
stuff. And you know, when you

1087
01:22:54.359 --> 01:22:57.560
look at the history of this,
and actually if you lay it out and

1088
01:22:57.600 --> 01:23:00.960
you look at the whole timeline,
you know that this is real. And

1089
01:23:00.279 --> 01:23:04.039
but you know, the average person
hasn't done that, you know, so

1090
01:23:04.199 --> 01:23:08.840
said they don't understand the history,
you know, when the CIA got involved

1091
01:23:08.880 --> 01:23:14.199
in the Brookings Institute and that and
that type of stuff. So you know,

1092
01:23:14.279 --> 01:23:18.960
getting to that, what are your
feelings about the nature of the phenomenon?

1093
01:23:19.800 --> 01:23:25.119
Well, my position statements in my
book on page time, you know,

1094
01:23:25.239 --> 01:23:30.079
but it actually did write a position
statement. You know, my beliefs

1095
01:23:30.119 --> 01:23:31.720
have changed over the years. And
you know, I used to think it

1096
01:23:31.840 --> 01:23:36.039
was just interplanetary, that the moon
is away station. They're probably on the

1097
01:23:36.119 --> 01:23:40.279
dark side, and and you know
they have a base there, whether it's

1098
01:23:40.319 --> 01:23:42.800
in one of the craters, and
they come in and out, and you

1099
01:23:42.840 --> 01:23:45.079
know, just like any settler.
You know, when the people came over

1100
01:23:45.119 --> 01:23:48.279
from Europe, it was a place
that they you know, kind of restocked

1101
01:23:48.359 --> 01:23:51.520
this, a lot of stuff like
that, And I figured it was always,

1102
01:23:53.119 --> 01:23:57.640
you know, interplanetary. They came
here from some distant planetary system.

1103
01:23:57.760 --> 01:24:00.119
It probably takes fifty sixty years to
get it, you know. But I

1104
01:24:00.199 --> 01:24:06.119
tell you now because in this area
of Westmoreland County, it not only has

1105
01:24:06.159 --> 01:24:12.119
the most UFO cases, it has
the most big foot cases. It has

1106
01:24:12.760 --> 01:24:18.239
like the most paranormal groups and ghost
hunters. I went to a website Paranormal

1107
01:24:18.279 --> 01:24:25.479
societies dot com. There were two
hundred and sixty paranormal groups in Pennsylvania would

1108
01:24:25.520 --> 01:24:30.720
over five over fifteen hundred members.
So you know, when you start to

1109
01:24:30.760 --> 01:24:32.760
go to some of their conferences and
you talk to some of their people and

1110
01:24:32.840 --> 01:24:36.439
some of them join MUFON and they
tell you their beliefs. At this point

1111
01:24:36.439 --> 01:24:42.640
in my life, I'm thinking that
this UFO phenomenon is interdimensional. But I

1112
01:24:42.680 --> 01:24:45.960
tried it. In my mind,
I'm trying to logically reason through everything.

1113
01:24:46.439 --> 01:24:51.359
I've had some paranormal experiences in my
life that would be more on the ghost

1114
01:24:51.439 --> 01:24:55.600
side, let's say, So I
have to try to explain where does that

1115
01:24:55.640 --> 01:24:59.640
come from? Where do UFOs come
from? Where did these legends come from?

1116
01:24:59.720 --> 01:25:01.920
You know, when more people have
had ghostly accounters, let's say,

1117
01:25:01.960 --> 01:25:05.800
than UFOs. So you know,
I'm kind of leaning now that there's another

1118
01:25:05.880 --> 01:25:11.359
dimension. And maybe it's the same
dimension when you pass away that your spirit

1119
01:25:11.439 --> 01:25:15.520
goes to. And so I kind
of think that this is all interdimensional.

1120
01:25:15.560 --> 01:25:17.119
But you know, every time I
think that, you know, you come

1121
01:25:17.159 --> 01:25:20.840
across something else, and you know, I'll be talking to somebody who tells

1122
01:25:20.880 --> 01:25:25.760
me, well, you know,
UFOs or demonic, and you know,

1123
01:25:25.840 --> 01:25:30.000
it's the devil was cast out and
Lucifer went to his own dimension or world,

1124
01:25:30.439 --> 01:25:33.760
and like Hitler, he's developed these
crafts and stuff, and they were

1125
01:25:33.800 --> 01:25:36.880
able to come through to our side. And that's why you have abduction.

1126
01:25:38.079 --> 01:25:40.119
So I mean, you listen to
this and you say, oh, that

1127
01:25:40.239 --> 01:25:43.119
makes you know, sounds pretty good. Maybe that's what it is. I

1128
01:25:43.119 --> 01:25:46.159
don't know. Nobody knows, you
know, and and somebody, you know,

1129
01:25:46.399 --> 01:25:53.520
until we get government official disclosure on
it and tells us exactly what it

1130
01:25:53.560 --> 01:25:56.680
is. You know, we're just
guessing. It's all you know third hand,

1131
01:25:56.760 --> 01:25:58.840
and you know, you don't really
know. But you know, my

1132
01:25:58.920 --> 01:26:02.199
guess is I think it's interdimensional.
Yeah, it's interesting you say that,

1133
01:26:02.279 --> 01:26:04.960
and it's interesting to hear you say, you know how you kind of go

1134
01:26:05.119 --> 01:26:09.800
back and forth, especially because you
have an open mind about it, just

1135
01:26:09.800 --> 01:26:15.399
trying to look at the facts.
But with the other position statements, were

1136
01:26:15.439 --> 01:26:18.399
they was everybody pretty much saying the
same thing or were you surprised by the

1137
01:26:18.520 --> 01:26:23.840
diversity? Well? No, I
think that most of them talk as a

1138
01:26:24.000 --> 01:26:28.840
fact of being interplanetary and government cover
up. You know, I think that

1139
01:26:28.840 --> 01:26:33.159
that's even know, if I had
a categories three out of four probably tow

1140
01:26:33.319 --> 01:26:39.840
the party line of interdimensional. I'm
not inter dimensional, you know, interplanetary

1141
01:26:39.880 --> 01:26:44.840
extraterrestrials that came here. The government
knows and the government's not telling us,

1142
01:26:44.880 --> 01:26:47.560
and that one day we will get
the truth hopefully, you know. So

1143
01:26:48.720 --> 01:26:51.920
you know, but there's a lot
of opinions in there, some real pointed

1144
01:26:51.960 --> 01:26:56.359
opinions also. But you know,
again, it's it's a cool chapter to

1145
01:26:56.399 --> 01:27:00.359
read. Yeah, it would be
really interesting. I'm looking forward to that.

1146
01:27:00.760 --> 01:27:03.079
And where can people find the book? I know I found it on

1147
01:27:03.119 --> 01:27:06.039
the Barnes and Noble. You can
download it for your nook. It looks

1148
01:27:06.079 --> 01:27:11.159
like, yeah, yeah, it's
on Nook, it's on Kindle. You

1149
01:27:11.159 --> 01:27:13.880
know, obviously those are the most
course effective ways to do it. I

1150
01:27:13.880 --> 01:27:17.079
think it's only four ninety five on
those avenues. And you know, the

1151
01:27:17.119 --> 01:27:21.720
hardcover copy if you if you want
to get my signature on it, it's

1152
01:27:21.760 --> 01:27:27.039
twenty dollars and it's you know,
five bucks for shipping and handling. And

1153
01:27:27.079 --> 01:27:31.119
that's exactly what it costs me for
the uh the uh you know media mail

1154
01:27:31.199 --> 01:27:35.960
because it's a heavy book, it's
like two pounds, and the mailer that

1155
01:27:36.000 --> 01:27:40.000
you put it in the padded envelope, it's cost me five dollars. So

1156
01:27:40.439 --> 01:27:42.560
you know, I'm not making anything
on that. So if you see me

1157
01:27:42.560 --> 01:27:45.399
in person, it's twenty bucks.
At the conference, if I have the

1158
01:27:45.439 --> 01:27:48.840
maility, it's twenty five dollars.
And where do they go to get that?

1159
01:27:48.840 --> 01:27:53.560
Can they go to the Pennsylvania moop
on site? Uh? You know,

1160
01:27:53.600 --> 01:27:56.079
you could probably find me on that
site. But I just I have

1161
01:27:56.159 --> 01:27:59.960
my own website. It's just Johndentury
dot com. And you know, what's

1162
01:28:00.119 --> 01:28:04.119
left of the twenty twelve books is
on that website. A couple of DVDs

1163
01:28:04.199 --> 01:28:09.279
also, but it's my name John
Ventree dot com. And you know you'll

1164
01:28:09.279 --> 01:28:13.000
find this book and you'll also see
my next book because I got like a

1165
01:28:13.039 --> 01:28:18.359
little kid in a candy store when
the publisher we've already created my cover for

1166
01:28:18.479 --> 01:28:21.520
the next book, and that's on
the website too. So if you go

1167
01:28:21.560 --> 01:28:25.479
to John Ventry dot com, you'll
see this and you'll see my new book,

1168
01:28:25.800 --> 01:28:28.079
even though it's not there to buy
yet, but this one is.

1169
01:28:28.319 --> 01:28:32.680
And just how people know Venturi spelled
v e n t r e John spelt

1170
01:28:32.840 --> 01:28:36.039
j o h n so j o
h n v e n t r e.

1171
01:28:36.359 --> 01:28:40.840
And I guess, finally, what
is your next book about? Well,

1172
01:28:40.880 --> 01:28:45.600
it's uh, it's about the asteroid
of Poppas and I'm going back to

1173
01:28:45.680 --> 01:28:49.920
sci fi where this of the four
books I'm writing or have written, this

1174
01:28:49.960 --> 01:28:55.159
is you know, the UFOs of
a Pennsylvania would be nonfiction because it's factual,

1175
01:28:55.439 --> 01:28:58.239
and the other three books are sci
fi. I am just a real

1176
01:28:58.319 --> 01:29:00.880
creative person. I get a lot
of ideas. I mean, I sit

1177
01:29:00.920 --> 01:29:02.319
and watch shows and say, why
didn't you do this? Why didn't you

1178
01:29:02.359 --> 01:29:06.399
say that? I critique shows and
movies as I watched them, But then

1179
01:29:06.439 --> 01:29:10.720
I get these epiphanies and say,
man, I'm going to write something,

1180
01:29:11.000 --> 01:29:13.640
you know and put it in my
book, but I can do that in

1181
01:29:13.680 --> 01:29:16.800
the sci fi book. So it's
about an actual asteroid by the name of

1182
01:29:16.880 --> 01:29:23.640
Apoppus, and this asteroids a half
mile wide. Every seven years it gets

1183
01:29:23.680 --> 01:29:26.439
closer and closer to Earth. And
this is true. I'm not making this

1184
01:29:26.600 --> 01:29:30.159
up. So it's based on an
actual event. In twenty twenty nine,

1185
01:29:30.239 --> 01:29:34.399
this asteroid is going to pass us
and dip below our satellite, so it's

1186
01:29:34.439 --> 01:29:38.319
going to be less than twenty and
this is the truth. It's going to

1187
01:29:38.359 --> 01:29:41.720
be less than twenty five thousand miles. It's going to be so close to

1188
01:29:41.800 --> 01:29:45.640
Earth, but it's a half mile
wide. And I learned a lot about

1189
01:29:45.680 --> 01:29:49.760
asteroids for my research. You have
to have at least a mile wide asteroid

1190
01:29:49.800 --> 01:29:54.920
to cause a climate change, let's
say, but you know, a half

1191
01:29:55.000 --> 01:29:58.960
mile wide asteroid would take out the
eastern Sea board of the United States,

1192
01:29:59.520 --> 01:30:02.560
the traje hectory on it is actually
into Nigeria, so if it were to

1193
01:30:02.640 --> 01:30:06.680
hit, it would take out the
entire country of Nigeria. So you know,

1194
01:30:06.680 --> 01:30:10.319
if you're anywhere within a thousand miles
of it, you're in trouble,

1195
01:30:11.079 --> 01:30:14.119
but it's not a planet changes so
if it hit Africa, you wouldn't feel

1196
01:30:14.119 --> 01:30:16.479
it over here. You know,
you have to have at least a mile

1197
01:30:16.560 --> 01:30:21.000
wide asteroid. So it's based on
that, and you know what happens,

1198
01:30:21.039 --> 01:30:25.520
and it's a storyline. And the
cool thing is, I try to predict

1199
01:30:25.960 --> 01:30:28.920
what the world will be like in
twenty twenty nine, you know, with

1200
01:30:29.079 --> 01:30:33.000
technology and voice activated stuff and where
will be you know that? And the

1201
01:30:33.039 --> 01:30:38.720
same thing I did in the first
twenty twelve book that I published in two

1202
01:30:38.720 --> 01:30:43.680
thousand and seven. It was a
sci fi story of you know what happens

1203
01:30:43.720 --> 01:30:50.640
with the Mayan calendar and the catastrophe
and the crazy thing is and I put

1204
01:30:50.680 --> 01:30:57.000
that in that new book is there
was I think seven things I wrote in

1205
01:30:57.000 --> 01:31:00.640
that book five years before they happened, and they actually happened. And I'll

1206
01:31:00.640 --> 01:31:06.239
give you a good example on page
two of the twelve twenty one twenty twelve

1207
01:31:06.279 --> 01:31:12.239
a prophecy book. On page two, the main character is sitting there watching

1208
01:31:12.319 --> 01:31:17.680
television and watching his favorite show called
Switched at Birth. That show just came

1209
01:31:17.720 --> 01:31:21.840
on ABC September of twenty eleven,
and it's in my book. You can

1210
01:31:21.880 --> 01:31:26.680
look at the copyright. It's in
January of two thousand and and you just

1211
01:31:26.760 --> 01:31:30.520
came up out of this. You
just made this up that there would be

1212
01:31:30.560 --> 01:31:33.920
a television show called Switch at Birth
and you didn't know this was coming up.

1213
01:31:34.439 --> 01:31:39.119
No, how would I know?
It was five years before. So,

1214
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I mean, you know, it's
like it's crazy a lot. Yeah,

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I'm at work and you know a
lot of the people that worked for

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01:31:44.840 --> 01:31:46.640
me over at ups and I mean
they read my book and they would come

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01:31:46.720 --> 01:31:49.720
up to me and say, Hey, John, do you realize that that

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01:31:49.960 --> 01:31:54.439
just happened, you know, the
Switch to Birth show. There's something in

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my book about the Supreme Court ruling
that, you know, the Second Amendment,

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You're right to guns is a right
and it's not a privileged by the

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01:32:00.960 --> 01:32:05.520
government, and the Supreme Court rules
that by four they ruled a couple of

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years ago. I have something in
my book where we find this cylinder,

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01:32:10.760 --> 01:32:15.760
this pod and it's Norwegian fishermen.
It finds it and it almost matches up

1224
01:32:15.760 --> 01:32:18.640
to what just happened with that disc
that's on the bottom of the Baltic Sea,

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01:32:19.319 --> 01:32:24.199
very very similar description to it,
so, you know, and then

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01:32:24.199 --> 01:32:27.600
I have another section in there where
the you know, the character and his

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01:32:27.680 --> 01:32:30.760
buddies in a bar and they're talking
about this movie and what a cool movie

1228
01:32:30.800 --> 01:32:36.199
it was getting all those old time
action stars together, stallone, Schwarzenegger,

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01:32:36.479 --> 01:32:42.760
Van Dam, Bruce Willis, and
that movie comes out The Expendables one and

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two. So I don't know,
you know, there are things in the

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01:32:45.640 --> 01:32:49.840
book that just happened, but that
that thing with the TV show, you

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01:32:49.880 --> 01:32:54.560
know, like like, now,
can I pick the name of a TV

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show that's going to be on in
twenty twenty nine? I mean, that's

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01:32:57.239 --> 01:32:59.760
what I did. It's in the
book, and I approve, Yeah,

1235
01:33:00.079 --> 01:33:02.520
I can procreate. That's so funny. That's really cool. That's interesting.

1236
01:33:03.119 --> 01:33:06.600
Yeah, So I mean that's I
think that's so cool that I actually picked

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01:33:06.600 --> 01:33:11.039
the name of the TV show five
years before it appeared. Well, it's

1238
01:33:11.079 --> 01:33:16.039
looking pretty good that we're gonna make
it to twenty thirteen. So maybe your

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01:33:16.199 --> 01:33:21.279
new book will set the new date
that everybody will say the world's going to

1240
01:33:21.359 --> 01:33:25.760
end. Twenty twenty nine will be
the new you know, everybody will talk

1241
01:33:25.800 --> 01:33:28.880
about that instead of twenty twelve.
Now, yeah, well we had Y

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01:33:28.920 --> 01:33:31.119
two K and then twenty twelve.
But you know, I wouldn't go say

1243
01:33:31.119 --> 01:33:35.319
and that we're going to make it
to twenty thirteen. I just they we're

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01:33:35.399 --> 01:33:39.399
going to make it. I tell
you what. It was my predication,

1245
01:33:39.720 --> 01:33:42.239
Well, I hope so you know, matter of fact, I was supposed

1246
01:33:42.239 --> 01:33:47.560
to speak down in Mexico at the
Chitsanitsu at the Temple of Coco con December

1247
01:33:47.600 --> 01:33:51.560
twenty first, and that kind of
you know, something's happened there. I'm

1248
01:33:51.560 --> 01:33:55.159
not going down there. I actually
feel a lot better than I'm not going

1249
01:33:55.159 --> 01:34:00.680
down there. Yeah, I don't
want to be stranded in Mexico. Yeah

1250
01:34:00.159 --> 01:34:03.439
sound you know, but yeah,
but it's all fun. You know.

1251
01:34:03.479 --> 01:34:08.319
I'm retired now and I could spend
more time on this and I like doing

1252
01:34:08.359 --> 01:34:13.640
the sci fi stuff also because I
can use my imagination. Right all right,

1253
01:34:13.720 --> 01:34:15.840
well great, we're out of time. Thank you so much for coming

1254
01:34:15.880 --> 01:34:18.920
back. This was a lot of
fun. The books down it's really interesting.

1255
01:34:19.560 --> 01:34:25.279
I think people are gonna really really
love that. Thanks for having me

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01:34:25.319 --> 01:34:28.359
on, Alejandra, all right,
we'll talk to you later, all right,

1257
01:34:28.399 --> 01:34:35.000
thank you, Hie. Twenty thirteen
right around the corner. Are we

1258
01:34:35.039 --> 01:34:39.800
gonna make it? Are we not? You be the judge? We're gonna

1259
01:34:39.840 --> 01:34:44.479
make it? Quip Be and goofy. You a bunch of knuckleheads. So

1260
01:34:44.600 --> 01:34:46.319
yeah, twenty. If we don't, I'm gonna be mad because I want

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01:34:46.720 --> 01:34:50.600
to see another Christmas, open some
Christmas presents. If I don't get my

1262
01:34:50.680 --> 01:34:59.079
Christmas presents, I'm gonna be really
upset. So I am so happy that

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you were able to join me once
again for another wonderful episode of UFO Think

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01:35:04.600 --> 01:35:12.399
Tank Radio. Don't forget to visit
ufodailynews dot com for the UFO News Feed,

1265
01:35:12.520 --> 01:35:15.279
which you can find the links to
the stories that we talked about at

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01:35:15.319 --> 01:35:21.000
the beginning of the show. Also, keep an eye out. I'm gonna

1267
01:35:21.000 --> 01:35:27.039
write a little opinion thing about the
Las Vegas thing for the Huffington Post.

1268
01:35:27.560 --> 01:35:31.560
And then of course go to Johnventuri
dot com to see his books or to

1269
01:35:31.640 --> 01:35:38.000
the Pennsylvania move on site to read
more about those conferences. If you're out

1270
01:35:38.039 --> 01:35:43.199
there by Pittsburgh and you want to
check out their conference coming up here in

1271
01:35:43.239 --> 01:35:45.439
a couple of weeks, you can
do that. That'll be a lot of

1272
01:35:45.479 --> 01:35:49.479
fun. It may be if John
is right, the last conference you ever

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01:35:49.640 --> 01:35:54.319
see. Thank you so much,
you guys, have a wonderful week.

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