The first episode of season two of Clips and Dip. We start the new
seasons. The day of the draft is a rule that we made up and
we're following it. I am Chuck Mockler, usually joined by Will Up to
like an Adam Oslin. Today it's just chucking Adam m Carl was supposed to
be here, Carl Tart. He had to go to Taco Johns because he's
out of town and the whole crew is getting dinner. I'm sorry, that's
his excuse for the draft. Yeah, I mean wait. Also, it's
his first time at Taco John's. Have you ever been to Taco Johns.
I'd like to go. Taco Johns is great. You can get these things
called potato lays. I'll get into it. We'll get into that later.
We'll get more in depth than that. We got time. We got time.
We are gonna be talking though, Adam. We have to talk about
the fact that we did an entire hour law episode. For those of you
not watching on the YouTube stream, Adams got up and left because yesterday we
did a full episode on the Marcus Morris to the Clippers trade and it didn't
happen. Adam, why don't you break down to everyone what happened and talk
a little bit for maybe some of the new viewers. We trusted the wrong
people, is what happened. Yeah, we knew this was a possibility.
Okay, we said it yesterday. Until the team's finalize it and release a
press release, you never know what could happen, and the trade fell apart.
It fell through the cracks in the eleventh hour. Boston was able to
still get christapsport zingis now CB three has moved from Washington, but the Clippers
did not end up picking up Malcolm Brogden. I would like to say this,
I was quite annoyed at some of the comments afterwards in hindsight, from
people saying, you dumbasses, you jumped the gun on that one a little
too early. On this one. One person say a damn thing when we
originally were doing a live stream, say oh, you guys shouldn't be doing
this right now. You don't know the trade might not go through. I
didn't see anyone in the comments section when we posted the podcast on YouTube say
it either until it ended up happening like five hours later. You're upset.
I'm a little bit Dirk Adams upset. I thought it was funny. I
think it showed how excited people were to not have Marcus Morris on the team
anymore. I'm not saying that's a good thing. I'm saying it felt like
it was a release of some tension. But so what happened was also,
we're going to talk about the draft and you know whoever they end up picking
at number thirty if that's where they stay. But so for those of you
who like don't really know what happened or why the trade fell through, because
it is kind of crazy to see a trade just being like, oh,
they're parting ways now, Like I hadn't seen that in a while. The
Clippers asked the Celtics either for more information on Brogden's tendon situation or to do
another, um you know, a physical of their own, and the Celtics
basically said no, like deals off. Yeah, as Celtics says that are
upset with the Clippers, why don't you guys blame yourself that you had this
deadline last night with Chris Staffs four zingis and therefore the Clippers couldn't get the
full medical information in on Malcolm Brogdon. Okay, they're not negotiating in good
faith. I do have to say credit to the Clippers, credit to the
clips. We're just being like, we want to learn more about this,
We're not even gonna try and do it. And you know that, you
know that someone has to be so hurt for the Clippers to be like,
we don't want you. I don't get it, Truss, I don't.
I don't understand what the joke is here. But also some other so that
didn't happen. Marcus Morris is still on the team. No idea what the
locker room vibes are going to be if he's still on the team when the
season starts. Well, we're gonna wait, because there's obviously looking to just
shop Marcus Morris, and I think that's a possibility that they could start the
year with Marcus after trying to trade him like this. And I'm sure he
knew he would be a trade candidate going into this offseason anyways, And he
sent his goodbyes on Twitter to Clipper Nation last night when he thought the trade
was going through. A player involved in it was saying goodbye. Multiple players
were Yet you guys want to blame us, you all can kiss my mother,
all right? You got you gotta let it go, man, I
gotta range. This is what happens when Will's not here, Adam and they
I don't know if he'll be on If he is on the team opening night,
I don't think he's gonna be playing. I think he'll be there'll be
in a we're trying to find a trade for him. Mode would be my
guest. I would suspect at this point, And there are two ways to
look at it. When you're a player of a draft capital to get him
for someone who they already knew was kind of hurt, Like I think they
want to they want to move him. We saw this with the Lakers when
they thought they had a deal done for CP three back in twenty eleven.
How the song Lamar owed him were both involved. Lamar couldn't get over the
fact that he was being shopped and eventually ended up getting traded to the Dallas
Mavericks. Pal came back played two more seasons with the Lakers. So it
can go one of two ways sometimes these things, right, Yeah, I
don't know it's gonna well, we'll see what happens, I guess, but
I would bet he's gone before the season. Another some other trade talk that
happened. Apparently the Knicks and the Clippers talked about the potential Paul George trade.
Obviously, by the time this episodes come out, the Clippers did not
do Paul George for number three Simons and Filler. That did not happen.
That were conversations, Yeah, there were conversations, but apparently the Blazes weren't
really interested in it from all the literature out there about it. But what
about where you at, Mark Stein? Where you at? Now? I'm
coming after everybody, your fire it up, But let's talk about because the
Knicks and the Clippers thing was kind of that was a new piece of information
we all kind of got today. It cooled off because the Knicks were supposedly
not just the Knicks due to contract and injury concerns for Paul George specifically,
What did we think of this Knicks talk? What would the Knicks possibly have
that the Clippers would trade Paul George for. That's what I'm not really understanding
about that. Guess it would be centered around. Now, Isaiah Hartenstegn did
opt out, so he is a free agent now, I believe, but
Obi Toppin would be somebody that the Clippers would be very interested in and I
would think to fill that for position, we all need to act work.
Now we're making up for Paul George here, So like that's a lot of
salary because Obi's just on his we're near as good as PG like ever was
or is, I guess, but so like something around that plus picks you
other players, you know, role player types I would guess have to be
involved just to make the salary conversation work. It would be difficult. I
don't I don't know. They're not getting I don't think they're bringing in Paul
George to get rid of Jalen Bronson, who they just signed. They're not
going to take Glett Julius Randall, like the Clippers wouldn't trade Julius Randall for
Paul George. RJ. Barrett, Like I don't know. I just don't
know what the conversations even were centered around trade wise, you know what I
mean, Mitchell Robinson for he and Big Zoo to form some new two towers.
I don't let's play balls at the same time. Let's those conversations.
But you know, I thought this was interesting mostly from the fact that when
you take a step back It's kind of crazy that all of this talk is
just out about supposedly trying to trade Paul George again. We're going into locker
room situations that just next year. It feels like we're just messy right now.
That's how it feels. I said this on the clippers pot account.
The Clippers are back to normal now, everything's just MESSI or somehow. Yeah,
And you also have to wonder with them pursuing Malcolm Brogden, with them
allegedly being interested in CP three, what does this mean for Russell Westbrook and
his Oh, I think he's back. I think Russ is back for sure.
I'm not it's super excited about that. I guess I'd rather have Russ
than CP three. But we're talking about guys feeling like they weren't being prioritized
and they could get bitter and a little bit scorned over the fact that they
aren't the number one option that the Clippers were maybe looking at. Now all
alone, they could have been saying, Russ, we're interested in you and
bringing in another guy. It doesn't mean we don't want you back. But
the situation with paying him three point eight million dollars, which is looking like
the most they could offer him. You know, if he wasn't looking at
the same way from the stamp point of, Hey, these guys might not
care about me as much as I thought, or if they were trading Paul
George, would he come back his guy? So there's a lot in flux
there too. I would say it doesn't yeah that you know, CB three
to the Warriors, I do. I do think that means Russ is maybe
coming back, but it's got to be more likely, you would hope,
I would think, because right now, so ar Gordon's contract guarantees. I
think in like five days he goes to his twenty what is it. I
think it's the twenty sixth or twenty eighth, somewhere in there ends of this
month. Yeah, so that kicks in in like five days. Um,
and I guess he's our starting point right now. I suppose under contract it's
not Terence Man. Well, if it's him, Terence pg kawai zu fantastic
U. I don't think Bubbs, I love Bones. I don't think he's
ready to start. But yeah, so how are we feeling now that as
we inch closer to the Clippers pick, which we're gonna talk about some prospects
who we like at thirty, which is just basically Robert Flam's articles because he
writes really good stuff about the Clippers drafts options. How are we feeling,
I'm feeling pretty good since we got somebody watching us from Sydney, Australia.
Ye, shout out Lane Mellish. If you're watching us on YouTube, thank
you so much. We're at Clippers Podcast. We've just been doing these live
things when stuff happens. If you're listening to us on Spotify or Ray listening
to us, thank you for that too. But if you want to see
what our faces look like for whatever reason, go to YouTube. For me.
There's like two extremes going on right now, two possibilities where they blow
it up or they run it back with two one three. I think the
blow up to reinforce the Scoot thing could still happen, just because it didn't
happen right when the pick went down. We see this all the time on
draft night, where guys end up changing hats, where somebody ends up getting
moved. I can't see them. Okay, let's talk about this. If
not Scoot, what about Dame being an option? Now? If Portland is
saying a lot of people, we're going to run it back without Damian Lillard
and build around Scoot Henderson. Does Dame now finally become available because they're keeping
Scoot. I can't see them keeping both of them and legitimately being a contender
this season, like apparently Damian Lillard finally wants them to be. That is
a good point, because there worth some stuff about how like Dame had been
had talked to Scoot and all these other things where it kind of felt like,
oh, that's a nice little story to happen right now, right after
everyone's talking about oh they're maybe not, like he doesn't want that to happen.
Could but can the Blazers make a play for a veteran guy to bring
in without either of those guys? I guess they could. It just depends
on got it right, Like if they really believe in Scoot, the Blazers
could just their depth and try to sharp Simons. They still do have pieces.
Look Anfony Simons is a really talented young player that I think teams would
be interested in. It's just if you're not getting Scoot, what's the high
end type of player you're able to get back in return as opposed to including
Scoot, and therefore you might have a possibility with somebody like Pg. Thirteen,
which has been the rumor for weeks now, even before mark Stein started
talking about it. We all were because the Portland Trailblazers were allegedly interested in
trading the number three pick. Yeah, that could change. It comes down
to Damian Lillard. His prerogative. What does he want? How highly does
he think of Scoot? Is he getting caught up? Did he see my
Baron Davis comp Is that enough? We don't know that he didn't. Is
that enough to make him believe that they could actually compete right now with a
young guy? Because he does offer so much immediately with just his downhill pressure,
with his defense, there's two traits that translate to the NBA right away.
If you want to go after his shooting and knowing he has to develop
that more and more as his career goes along, Well, can he help
you in other ways immediately? Yeah? I think he can. And I
think that's why a lot of Clipper Nation would be interested still in trying to
make a runner in him. You see, so we got something in the
chat from David Hellman. Can we just swap PG for Dame. I don't
know if that, how would you feel about that, Adam? I love
Damian Lillard. He's my favorite non Clipper. I also don't think he's a
better player than Paul George because well, he makes you more of a liability
on the front end of your defense, at your point of attack, because
for years he just hasn't It's some of it's just due to his size,
but he's not a good enough defender. That's why they've struggled for so long.
They've never been a great defense in Portland. It's not because they haven't
had talent behind him. At times. Robert Covington was there, they had
Hassan Whiteside there for a while back when he was still considered a pretty darn
good defender. But if you're getting beat off the dribble that much, it
just collapses your defense and the whole start to open up from there. It's
really difficult. With he and CJ two undersized guys in the starting lineup,
they were never going to be able to be good enough on that end.
So look, I love Damian Lillard. If there was a way to bring
him in and keep Kawhi and PG that's the will Updike dream. I think
you do it absolutely Otherwise, I just Portland. I would never see them
trading their legacy player for the guy that he hit a shot against to win
a playoff series in Paul George and be able to sell that to the fans.
It's one thing to bring in Paul George to play with him, and
that would be interesting considering there was some beef back in the bubble. There
was a lot of chatter between those two and Patrick Beverley even on Instagram.
But I can't see it with just trading Dames straight up for Paul George because
they're really in the same situation then contract wise, especially with him having an
extension coming up. That's a good call. I like this question from David
Hellman because it also brings up something I want to talk about that happened on
Clippers Twitter. David Hellman asked, can Winger hook us up with Tias Jones?
Tias Jones on this team would be very fun. I would like that.
Okay, that'd be a fun time. We're not talking about the other
thing right now. We're gonna talk about that in a second. As a
basketball player, Tias Jones no real idea what the Wizards are doing. They're
obviously blowing it up, and Tias Jones might be too good for that team.
I like what they did today when the full details of the trade with
Bradley Beal came out and they got six second round picks and then getting Jordan
Pool. Is that what we're gonna be talking about a little later up.
Yeah, Well, they just kind of blow the whole thing up. Like
no, I was talking about the tweet that someone put out on Clippers Twitter
that they would trade Paul Jacob's dumbass. Sorry, Oh no, we're not.
We can't give him press. It would trade Paul George at some point,
My friend, you're a sacrificing credibility for attention. In a heartbeat,
he said, I don't know you should be doing. He would do that.
Here's a heart about Tias Jones. I was critical of Michael Winger yesterday
regarding that trade because as much as I like him, he's going to be
a free agent after this season. What I could see happening is he and
Jordan Pool are feasting and putting up I'm not saying shack Kobe Gift like numbers
like Thias Jones and Jordan Pool with the Washington Wizards are gonna look like this,
and you showed the little Shack and Kobe footage. It's gonna be like
that. They're gonna put up numbers. They're not gonna win a lot,
but Tias Jones at the trade deadline I think could become very interesting for trying
for a team that's that wants to take themselves over the top. Actively tried
it. Yeah, and then he gets his first round pick, maybe for
Tias Jones, because you know they only got one first round pick at of
Bradley Beale and Chris Staff sporzingis. But getting Jordan Pool today for that price
was phenomenal. I thought Golden State Warriors selling that low. So Tyas Jones,
he's gonna probably average twenty and nine nine assists per game on the season,
I think, so yeah, true, it might not be pretty,
but I bet he gets up there. In his dozen starts this year with
the Memphis Grizzlies, he was at twenty one and eight, so I don't
think it's out of the Roman possibility. The fuel goal percentage will likely take
a day pill beforeced to take more tough shots, but that's one of the
more talented and I think he's twenty seven now, but young point guards were
the best assist to turnover ratio in the league, and I guess the Washington
Wizards have the top four guys when it comes to assist to turnover ratio.
That's a Will Updike team right there. That's like Will's favorite stat is assist
a turnover issue. Mine is a rebound percentage, which also doesn't really mean
anything, but it's fun. Vindication is asking on the stream any chance we
can sell ull loove Morris tonight. Sure, but they also have time.
I guess, you know, like there's he's probably the next Clipper to be
traded. I think that's a pretty safe thing to say. I don't know
if it'll happen at night. No one's giving us draft picks in any world
for Marcus Morris, so yeah, I don't think it's gonna have to be
something where there's a sweetener involved, where there's a second round pick, where
another player like Robert Covington or a mere coffee who was included in the trade.
The initial deal before was nixt Yesterday, I did text with Brian Seamen.
He's doing okay. Okay on the ameer coffee front. Yeah, he
was freaked out first, understandably. I mean the coffee puns runneth over like.
I wasn't gonna use him very much because he never really plays. But
yeah, I had just posted the a mirror coffee game ceiling shot against the
Philadelphia seventy six ers in Philly when they came back on doc Down twenty where
Brian said coffee is for closers and it's so cool. I posted a minute
before the trade deal fell through the cracks, and I was like, oh,
we gotta delete this. A mirror still at the clocks end. Yeah,
um, all right, So I think we're gonna we gotta take a
quick fake commercial break if you're listening to this on the audio, if you're
on the streamers going to do a quick pause. But we're gonna talk about
some people that the Clippers should maybe draft. Also, maybe the people watching
us live can keep us abreast of situations in case we're not paying attention to
the Twitter because I got a couple of them, but I'm still trying to
look at the camera. I got a Woads window open. I gotta shams
until open right now, Wade throwing shade at Shams are acting like the Charlotte
Hornets. We're actually gonna take Scoot. Earlier in the day, well so
wait, let's talk about that first set. Because Shams is sponsored by a
betting company, Jackings fan Duel. I think it's Fan Duel. It's one
of the it's one of the betting companies. So he's affecting lines like he's
affecting betting lines when he reports anything, anything out of the ordinary, that
Sham's reports will affect that situation's lot. Brandan Miller was like, little,
yeah, it is now the NBA is trying to embrace gambling and stuff.
But earlier in the day, Brandon Miller was a minus eight hundred to go
at pick number two, and then after Sham's reported that they were interested in
Scoots still he went to being a minus two hundred. I think it was.
That's crazy. Yeah, so a huge swing. But we're just yeah,
and that's because partly because of that and probably because people bet on it.
When you bet on something like, it's crazy. Um, David Helmn
with a great bit. The front office is currently working hard to fill a
positional need for Ontario. So all right, We're gonn take a quick break
and then we're gonna talk about what this draft pick is going to do,
Like what just the ceiling of whoever we draft is going to be. It
doesn't matter who it is, but we are drafting someone apparently in the first
round is going to be a guaranteed contract. So we got ads coming up
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two one. Welcome back into a live YouTube edition of season two, episode
one of the clips in dip podcasts in terms of a stream right now and
bring it to you live on draft night. I'm Adam Awesoin. We got
Chuff Mochler. No, we'll up to Carl Tart was not able to make
it, but we are here for you guys. As the status of that
Clippers pick at number thirty is they still own it, still made asses of
ourselves. Some say, yesterday, I think we brought up a lot of
good points in a hypothetical what if you know, you know what's funny when
the Clippers draft from Malcolm Brogdon. We can just release that episode. We
did it a year ago. We're way ahead of the light years right here
at the Golden State Warriors anymore after what they gave up. Yeah, but
so we were talking about a little bit before the break, what is this,
whoever has picked at thirty for the Clippers is not going to see the
floor for the LA Clippers next year. And I don't mean that as a
slight to whoever's picked at thirty. You're just being selected at number thirty for
a team that's trying to win literally right now. So like, unless that
guy's the best point guard or a backup center NBA caliber, you know,
I kind of like what Chilmer was saying about maybe trading the pick, but
and I guess we were set to so I don't know. Yeah, I
agree with you wholeheartedly. I think the best case scenario would be the Clippers
do trade the pick to correspond with a larger, bigger move like we thought
was going to happen yesterday, because you need impactful players on a team with
championship aspirations. You need guys who can actually fill a role right now.
We thought, I remember when Jason Preston was drafted, what if what if
this guy turns into somebody that can build the Clippers. I never thought to
be we were not doing the show. When Jason Preston was draft, We're
not doing this show. I was. I did not think. What can
Jason Preston do. I'll tell you what. The ATNT commercial hats off to
his management team. I will. I will live and die by that great
work. That voiceover is Morgan Freeman worthy. It is beautiful time, Jason.
I don't know about that, but yeah, I'm just saying. The
hype around draft picks on Draft night reaches absurd levels at times, where people
get far too excited over every pick, no matter where it is, and
the truth is, yes, that could turn out to be somebody. We
just saw nikoloat to a two time MVP now Finals MVP, be drafted in
the second round and lead his team to a championship. So anything is possible,
and he was drafted during a Taco Bell commercial. But the likelihood of
that stuff happening is so small, so slim, so low, that you
got to temper your expectations and be grounded in reality just a little bit.
Because even top ten picks routinely annually end up being bus It's unfortunate and it's
fun to celebrate the guys in their dream coming to fruition tonight. But I
don't think you should get too caught up. And this guy can help right
away. This guy can do something right now. Even Musadiabate, who I
would say has a skill set that could lend itself to helping you sooner than
later. And we saw it in that comeback in Portland last season, still
had trouble getting on the court, and it looked like after his first two
appears, it out like that's the thing, Like Moose is not going to
beat out Mason Plumly to play NBA meaningful NBA minutes just because he doesn't know
how to play NBA basketball yet. Yeah, And even when he looked more
than just competent in one game or two games afterwards, it looked like the
wheels were turning in his head too much. He was overthinking things. He
wasn't he wasn't reating and reactor. Yeah, young players, they deal with
I don't know, paralysis by analysis, with overthinking things and not being as
reactive and instinctual as you would like them to be. That's just part of
the process until the game slows down for them. As good as Moosa is
getting twenty and fourteen in the G League all the time, and as much
as the Clippers had a need in that position area last season, it didn't
matter. So if he couldn't get on the court more so than he ended
up doing when the Clippers didn't have a traditional season backup center before bringing in
Mason Plumly, how many guys could be drafted at the thirtieth pick that the
Clippers would be able to get court time for this season in a championship or
bust year, and it's a guaranteed contract. Whoever we're picking at thirty is
getting an end meat like a full contract. So that is also what makes
it cramped, which is what kind of Tilmayer was talking about. Um,
that was a great point when he was on the show. It was a
really good guys missed it. We had Law Murray on recently. Man Law
Murray was fantastic. Um, he yeah, Law was that That was really
fun episode. I'm saying we got Bill Walton treatment. We asked him one
question and he just went the rest of the way. I didn't just hang
out, you know. All right, So let's talk maybe some guys that
the Clippers could draft I have. We're part of the two win three hoops
empire. Here at clips and dip um. Hold on, Can I take
one sec to talk about something else, just a real quick thing, quick
pivot. Still basketball, lady, Like I haven't gone on enough tangents already.
I hate draft pick spoiling on Twitter. And I understand the argument,
why aren't you just not on Twitter? If you do sports media stuff,
you quite literally have to be on Twitter when the draft is happening. You
just have to uh in some way or another. I hate getting just just
let him announce the pick? Who cares? Are you saying? It's gotta
be incentive for like their quotas, it's got to be. It has to
They put a muscle on woes or put you know him and cuffs on the
evil four letter. And they tried to stop him from doing it. And
now he works for a gambling company and is spoiling drafts shops shomps is care,
Yeah he doesn't yet, but he's just cloud chasing, just cloud chasing
typical. But it's just a little it's just not as I'm getting I'm becoming
a very old man in real time now. For those of you watching but
I just feel like it's not as false. Well, especially when you're streaming
something it's already delayed thirty seconds or a minute from live television. The live
television isn't actually live either. There's like a seven second or twelve second or
twenty five second delay, depending on the network, and then you're getting the
tweet you're watching like three minutes or five minutes before it actually happens. So
it just renders their analysis useless. During a draft party, her draft analysts
like who is Jay billis? Right now, they're talking about a guy and
how he fits in, the French guy that came in at number seven,
who's not ending up going to Indiana because the Washington Wizards ended up trading pick
number eight with them and a couple of those second round wings or second round
picks from Michael Winger. Uh So, yeah, it kind of just makes
things a lot more murky. But I don't know, I don't it's Twitter,
like it's up to you to stay off of Twitter then like they don't
care, they don't care, Chuck, I don't know. I get yes,
Victim, blame that. No, that sounds good. Yeah, let's
do that all right? One more tangent, which is something we actually haven't
talked about on the show yet, which I like. Deuce Times on the
YouTube stream said, have y'all heard anything about the quay injury? Did he
have surgery? Not a question, just yelling it with two exclamation points.
Is he playing anywhere? Uh no, I'm not sure. Probably not.
Is he playing anywhere? We know he wouldn't be playing five on five because
we know, yeah, we know he's not playing five on five in the
off season. That's nothing about the quay injury. They the last thing we
heard was that they were trying to just avoid surgery. We haven't We're not
going to hear anything till we see the official tweet about it. And that's
right, like it. Maybe he had surgery and we'll find out about it
a month after it happens. You know, who knows? Yeah, he
would. I think he would have got it. They'll probably it'll be a
thing where they announced like if he had it, which I don't know if
he had, I don't think he did. Um, it'll be like,
oh, he got it on this date X amount of weeks again, and
he should be ready for the for the which is something so l Frank did
stress in his season ending exit interview that regardless of if he has surgery or
not, he'll be ready to go by the start of next season, which
seems to be the diagnosis of that meniscus injury. The question is whether or
not you end up having the surgery. Some guys don't and it works fine.
Some guys do and it works fine as well, and we're hoping for
the best. I do have concerns like, how many times can that write
leg be injured in a different area starting with the quadra step than the acl
A now meniscus tear, and that he just keeps coming back looking like the
same player. How many times can you expect that to happen? It's it's,
of course, concerning another knee injury. Players who are often injured early
on in their career and in their prime don't magically start staying healthier later in
their career. That's not how you don't talk to me. Chris Paul is
more injury prone than pretty much ever. I know he had a couple of
good years when he switched to the vegan diet, but guys, for the
most part, outside of maybe Grant Hill, when he finally did recover from
the ankle injury, but he wasn't nearly the same player and could play consistently
for the Phoenix Suns then not Orlando. Like, it's just not how it
works. Look at Blake Griffin and how that went. It kind of fell
off a cliff pretty quickly. Yeah, I mean, kind of depressing to
think about what You're totally right. On the other end, Kawa has had
major injuries on the right leg, and every time he comes back looking as
strong as ever, he handles it well, his recovery when he's back on
you cannot deny that he looks every much has been of the player that he
very much is. Um. All right, we got to talk at least
at some point about some some Clippers prospects. This is from the Big twenty
twenty three NBA Draft by the Numbers Big Man by Robert Flam. Very sad
Clippers fan Robert Flam if you follow him on Twitter, and he would agree,
because it's difficult to be a fan of this team sometimes. But for
rob that sometimes is every day sad. When they were in the Western Conference
finals, like he's he was sad when they were able to respect. I
mean, you gotta respect it um, but he knows a lot. He
so Adam and I do not watch college basketball. I do have much better
things to do than watch college basketball, which might be a surprise of some
people, and I just don't have the time for it. I watch UCLA
here and there when I fill in for Tim Kates on Brula's Talk, so
I keep up with them a little bit. But it's not much. It's
not much. So we're going off this trace. Jackson Davis. He played
at Indiana six nine average almost three blocks. It was two point six blocks.
He can't shoot, so big guy who can't shoot already feels like that
checks a pretty big box for Clippers draft picks. Okay, am I wrong?
No, you're wrong, am I. The line is, you're not
wrong, You're just an a hole. Walter from the big He's very good
at defense. He's obviously a crazy athlete. I think we can say that
for every every draftee now. Is has incredible athleticism. He averaged four assists
a game is senior year. Big guy kind of has this nice little skill
set that is rare in his size. He's another thing that maybe checks the
box for the Clippers. He's twenty three, So he's not young parents man,
parents man, big guy who can't shoot, maybe a little older this
he feels like a Clipper a Fee could shoot. It just didn't translate to
the next level. The Fee thing. Okay, well, at any time
they brought dude Fee's career makes me so bummed out because he was like a
meme as soon as he came up to the actual Clippers team, Like,
we put Fee in and tol him to shoot whatever. He touches the ball,
and it's like, how is that good for his development? That is
not good trying to enable him and give him confidence. What do you mean
he was going to be the next surge of Baca? I thought, yeah,
exactly. I did see Deuce Time's reply to our conversation there about Kawhi
Leonard saying, in my opinion, I think that's why Kawhi has always heard
he don't play five on five enough. You can't shock your body like that.
Kobe played in the off season, Jordan played, Lebron played. Kawhi
needs to play all right. First of all other guys, Jordan didn't play.
He golfed, he gambled. His trainer is on record saying like he
would take months off without picking up a basketball like Anthony Davis. It was
a different time. There have been copious amounts of research as why guys are
injured more than ever nowadays. It's because they play specialized sports. They only
play those sports, and they play at a very high level at a young
age and put more stress on their body at a younger age. That is
what it is. There's tons of research on it if you want to look
it up. It's not that they're not as tough as the former era.
It's those guys were firemen and had offseason jobs and these guys today are just
playing basketball too much year round and it's worn them down. That's fair.
I mean, I will say the five would be kind of cool to see
some offseason five on five footage. We're not going to see kawaiet the Drew
Okay, so I go to Venice chell I pump iron. That would be
so funny. That is where we'll see k We'll see Kawhi on muscle beach
doing the doing like the vertical like pull ups where guys are doing handstands and
like those guys, I would like to see Scoop become a clipper just so
he and Kawuhi can flex on each other. Those will be two of the
strongest players in the league. How do you feel about going for a big
guy for the Clippers in this draft? Like, what's a position? Say
just position group? Are you trying to draft in here, Chris h carl
tart is not joining us. He had to go to a dinner with people
he was traveling with, and that dinner was at Taco Johns. I think
it was just Taco Bell and he just went through the drive through and use
that as now I can talk about it because it's been a while for those
of you who have never been to Taco John's. It's a Westmac place that
started in Wyoming. Of all places, they have these things called potato alas.
They're these seasoned kind of tater tot things. You can get a six
pack in a pound, which is six tacos and a pound of potato alas
for very cheap staple of the Western United States. Anyway, that's where Carlos.
I'm more of a Jim Boys taco guy, Jim versus John. I
don't know if that's like Mark Zucker versus Elon Musk or anything, but they
could be in Taco worsh no idea, no idea. I'm a Taco John's
guy. That's what I was raised on. Anyway, position groups that you
would look at if you're the Clippers, if you're like, let's rank it
like guards forwards, would I would say the same thing that I said yesterday
regarding the Charlotte Hornets in a different way. The Clippers should just take best
player available over position, matter and fit, because they're not going to be
playing four years at this level with this group, with this team. So
take the guy that maybe is the next Brandon Boston, that was somebody that
had a precipitous fall in the draft and that has a really high ceiling.
I would go with a guy like that over whatever the position. If you're
gonna go position, you want to say four. But by the time they're
up to speed to play the four position, are they going to be in
need of that guy in the starting lineup? Is that realistic at all?
I don't think so. Yeah, I think you're right. I think it's
just just BPA. So I ask if we can go through the positional needs
for Ontario. No, we're not going to do that. I don't know
how else to say it, I'm not running through the ge league roster that
I don't know very much about the draft roster. We're not going to know
the GELA roster bunch either, right, Yeah, it's gonna be interesting.
And this is where that the trade yesterday falling through really screws the Clippers.
Obviously, having Marcus on the team, he's going to be moved, that's
like, no big deal. Whatever. Are they going to be able to
trade this pick in the next let's call it thirty five minutes to not have
to select somebody they obviously prepared for the draft. I'm not making it seem
like that, but you know what I mean. This is another pretty rough
outcome of that of the Broadden injury scenario. I mean, the other side
of it could be you take best player available because you're more likely to trade
that pick anyways. Even if you do draft the guy, it could be
someone that's you reroute to another team later in the tonight or in the next
week. Not very much later. Were the thirtieth pick. Everyone knows that
the Clippers were in win now mode. Every team knows that they all saw
yesterday they were trying to trade that pick. They know it can be had
for the right price, the right player, for the right three team deal.
That doesn't fall through, it can be It can be done. So
if we're still talking about Malcolm brogden't need needs for this Clippers team aside from
the draft. I mean, it looks like maybe, regardless of if Russ
is coming back, they want to add another guard. Now, Brogden was
more of a combo guy that you could still bigger point. Yeah, for
defensive purposes, he's good at the point, interchangeable, could play more positions,
would have a better chance getting on the floor with coach Lou and the
Olive Garden crew. That would have been a really nice fit. But it
sounds like through the physical if they can't get all that information. Yeah,
you got to air on the side, right, Yeah, and you know
there's still a possibility. I guess Boston now is electing to keep him because
they lost Marcus, have to, but they could still bring in someone else
too, Like, yeah, it's not like they couldn't. They couldn't.
I guess get back to that or rekindle those conversations with the Boston Celtics and
maybe another team at some point. If they could just get all his medical
information. Yeah, I think I think the issue is they don't want anyone
to have it. I think I don't think. I think Brogden's stand put.
They're just gonna try and play him, um six Man of the Year.
It's not a bad option. I mean, yeah, he's not a
bad option. He's just crazy hurt um oh more picks getting spoiled. Hell
yeah, let's go a good pick Utah. David Hellman says thirtieth pick is
a brutal trade asset. It is, and the way the Clippers got here
is a little frustrating when you think about it, because it was part of
the Eric Gordon trade, and then bringing in Russ kind of made Eric Gordon
redundant a little bit. That was the other thing about the Brogden trade is
that the Brogden trade kind of signaled to me they were going to maybe move
Gordon because he makes Gordon a little redundant. That's a fair point. It
could just be well, we still have Eric Gordon on the team. We
struck out with Malcolm Brogden, we still have Eric Gordon here. Maybe he
is part of their future, but I still wouldn't be surprised if he was
included in a trade scenario. I thought when they first brought him in part
of the reason was he is salary cap filler aside from what he does on
the court, and he still is very serviceable. But in a trade he
could be a little bit of an interesting piece for a team that knows he's
only guaranteed this much coming into this season. That might entice a team to
want a trade for Eric Gordon because they can get out of that contract pretty
easily. And we still don't the CBA rules, so that makes things all
much more trickier. What is that thing coming out? What Detox does from
Doctor Dre like what well he talks to come out but didn't. It was
like a song Compton came out, which is a great album. I don't
know why many people. Yeah, um y had a couple of tracks,
but I don't even Yeah, that's true. It was just a couple of
tracks. I go deep with death Row. You don't even know Chuck,
Yeah, I'm about to grab right now. Yeah, please do not.
There needs to be no medallion. Um drunken public Service asked, I think
that's trent Um obviously keeping two one three in tach. How does the front
office, get the team younger and more athletic. Trades. Trades, trades,
trades, do what they tried to do yesterday. Not that Malcolm Brogden
is a spring chicken, but just you gotta make moves trade wise. You
gotta trade the old fours for one young four. I know it's not that
easy, but you brought up a great trade scenario that I do think is
very realistic on the bleacher report, right Reese, which ball this was involving
the Knicks. Oh yeah, Obie and Hartenstein for the thirtieth pick Morris or
Rocco and then maybe a young guy. I think that makes sense. I
think Obie Toppin would be a great pickup and give an athletic punch to this
Clippers team immediately, a jolt in that area, and just change the dynamic
of their offense a little bit. To have a rim runner. You know,
they haven't had an elite, elite rim runner like that. Just throw
it up, go get it type guy since Blake Griffin right, and he'd
be on a prove it deal, you know, like he'd be he's not
making a bunch of money. Now you can sign him to a prove it
deal, which is kind of nice and he's and we get Hartenstein back.
What a good time in his own right was a pretty good rim runner for
the Clippers and sure would throw down and they'd look for him often. But
Obie Toppin was in the dunk contest, I think another guy, and he
wanted to trade for guys who are in the skills games at the All Star
Games. You're like, hey, if you can't jump over a key,
I'm not interested. All right, I need to see that. I think
it's somebody like and it might be hard to get him because they're going to
rebuild and he could be a part of their future. But it sounds like
he was a little bit disgruntled last year with playing time. However, they
have a new head coach coming in with the Houston Rockets, Kenny Martins Jr.
He's still on his rookie deal and it's a little over two million dollars.
But somebody like that if you can't get John Collins and Atlanta is you
know, like forever rumored to be a Clipper, luke warm on him.
However they feel about him, Maybe they're just waiting to blow the whole thing
up eventually. De Jante Murray gone, Trey hung gone, just restart.
But if you can't get somebody like that, what about just a younger guy
who hasn't exactly fulfilled his promise yet. I don't think Obi Toppin has maxed
out his ability. I don't think Kenny Martins health either. No, they
don't really know what contract to give Obie because he's still He's been used sporadically
and so I don't know if that'd be a fun time. A lot of
people suspect in New York, and you talk to those guys over there.
We both jumped on a podcast when the Clippers are taken on the Knicks.
Oh yeah, shout out Andrew Claudio. That was really fun, great Knicks
podcast. They believe part of the reason he hasn't played as much. It's
almost like a conspiracy with Obie topping to keep his value down so when they
lose Julius Randall they can can match whatever offer when he'll be a restrictive free
agent, which shouldn't be as high because nobody's seen him do much yet.
Sure, yeah, it's that's got to feel good to hear if you're him.
That's just such a glaring issue, like on they don't want to play
me because I'm so good. That feels great. I'm the secret weapon.
Guys. Yeah, this is great. Yeah. I don't know how about
expiring money, and this has been something people have talked about for a while.
Drunken public Rosier would be fun. I'm fine with Rosie year. I
don't know what we've really trained to get him now that we're I mean,
in this moment at sixty nine PM, I would assume you toss in the
thirtieth pick somehoward draft for the team, but Charlotte would be doing it to
get rid of a bloated contract if they did this, doesn't he have two
more years at least at a round twenty million? Let me so, maybe
Marcus is involved in that. You sweeten it with some second round picks or
maybe the thirtieth pick he's got. So he's got twenty three this upcoming season,
basically twenty four point nine the season after that, and then a partially
guaranteed twenty six and a half. It's only fully guaranteed twenty four million of
it's guaranteed if Charlotte plays in the second round of the playoffs and Rosier plays
seventy games in any of the next so feels pretty gettable. But what's is
he twenty eight now, Tara Rosier. It feels like he's been the legal
lot longer than that twenty nine because he had that big playoff run and a
few years ago when they were calling him scary, it's Terry that. Yeah,
he reminds me a little bit of like a rich man's Reggie Jackson.
Athletic ability was his handle streaky, He can get to the basket, he
can get hot, he can take over a ball game like we saw Reggie
be so good when Kwhi Leonard was out during the twenty twenty one playoff run.
That's what Terry Rosier kind of looked for the Boston Celtics when they made
that run. He's somebody that steps up and embraces the moment and apparently likes
to play the villain or to play spoiler, because that Boston team wasn't expecting
to do a lot and he was a big part of their success in that
postseason. I like Terry Rosier, if you're talking about we're doubling down,
we're bringing two, one, three back. We have to find a way
to get incrementally better. This offseason. The future be damned. That's not
a bad option. I think, not bad. It's not bad, all
right, draft guy I want to talk about real quick. That's no slight
towards Reggie Jackson, but I do think Terry Rozier is a little bit more
of a talented player. And the Clippers got Reggie towards the end, very
end of his prime. You know, he already had the back issue coming
from Detroit. I don't think Terry Rozier has had any debilitating injuries and he's
just about to turn twenty nine. I mean, look, because I'm fuck
he had. He's one of those guys that can have that almost irrational confidence
where you believe you're the best guy on the court even though everybody knows you're
not, which isn't a bad thing in the right situation. You still want
him to be a team player, play within the offense, not get outside
of himself too much. But guys who don't shy away from the moment,
embraced the spotlight when you're trying to win a championship. Never a bad thing
to add one more of them. So he's got a bunch of ankle sprains.
I mean, it's basketball. Hey, I don't like it. I
don't like Bill Way. What are you talking? I don't like it.
I don't like ankle sprains, those things. Polog you got the medical on
that. Why don't you get Brogden's wall, right? Don't do like that?
So prospect, I want to talk about guard prospect California, University of
California, Los Angeles guard Amari Bailey, uh six to five again. He's
nineteen years old, really good high school player. He was top ten US.
Kind of some crazy upside. But I don't know, what do you
think? Why not? I actually watched a little bit of Amri Bailey.
I like him. I figured he did a lot he had. I want
to say he played big when they lost both games in Vegas to I think
it was Maryland. I know they got the big against them. It was.
Yeah, he had some big games against big opponents. He had a
twenty four point game against Oregon State. He had sixteen against Cal. He
kind of faded towards the end of the regular season, but then he had
some big games. In the Patch twelve tournament. He scored nineteen Wisconzaga.
Yeah, he had nineteen in their final game lost Againzaga, but he had
twenty six in the Patch twelve tournament against Colorado. He had nineteen against Arizona.
He has a ton of untapped potential. And I love mccronin. I
love the foundation he gives players. I would be interested in somebody like him.
For thirty nine three point shooter, I can shoot, yeah, And
he has wiggle like he can get to the basket. He's crafty with his
ability to get downhill. He's shifty. Oh, I don't like his free
throw percentage, seventy percent from a line does not. He was just over
confident, you know, He's like, oh, it's too easy, guys,
sure, too easy. But yeah, I mean I had a low
pick. It's like, why not haven't learned from Xavier Moon even though he's
much bigger than Xavier Moon. The other guy from a guy, Yeah,
the other guy that I don't know where he's going to end up going because
he had the season ending injury. Yeah, I'm thinking of Jalen Clark.
Oh, I believe I am who went out with. I believe he did
his achilles against Arizona. It was I'm trying to look up the injury here
in real time, but this is somebody who defended who would also get in
transition was death and transition, but he had then Achilles Tear one of their
better players. I don't know if you have a second round pick or you
get in and buy another one that you don't take a flyer on somebody like
Channels. I don't want us to buy a second round pick. It's free
for us. Just not get out of here, I know, but like
let's just um, that'd be good. Yeah, And like the Clippers love
how can I put this? The Clippers love a marketable player at lower ranges.
Scrub the Jay scrub pick was would be such a great story. I
think that was partly what played into it. They picked up the Armenian sniper
for the Aguacaliente Clippers, so obviously a big kind of a pr play.
So like taken you see it, Like that would be great? Um yeah,
I mean that's why they brought in Moses Brown, right, what what,
I'll tell you what I know he didn't play bad. It doesn't mean
he should have been the backup center for the team. Jason Preston story.
Thank you Anthony C. In the chat. Someone's on my side. I'm
not against you. I just wanted to bring up Moses Brown and get that
reaction. I mean, that's fair. Remember my legendary tweet with him next
to Kareem abdul Jabar. People said he wasn't tall. You proved them all
wrong. Man. All right, we had a we had a bunch more
picks until the Clippers go there seemed to be holding out of their pick,
which I'm saddened by. I would say, I'm a little bummed out.
We still have it. I don't think he bid they could trade it afterwards.
We've seen this stuff go down. When they got Cannard, it was
this weird Charlie Day like FBI board where you're just trying to piece things together.
When they ended up trading Landry, shamm it. It didn't go down
I don't think right away as a trade. But then it came back around
and they said, oh, we're gonna make this move now. So you
never know what could happen in the next couple of hours, regardless of if
they pick at thirty or trade before that. Yeah, that's a good call.
U. Someone says, if this off season is the flap, do
we start the Michael Winger was the real brains behind the front office conversation.
I don't know if we start that conversation. I'm not going to start that
conversation. I'm not going to start Are you going to start that cover I'm
not going to start that conversation. We're not doing that. Just because he
was the protege of Sam Presty, you okay, see you with the thunder,
So he has great pedigree coming from Sam Presty and then Lawrence Frank and
the Washington Wizard. You're lucky to have him, But no, l Frank
is the man. He won his Executive of the Year. I get offended
when people give Maybe it's because I did the same thing and he lamb based
me a little bit forward. But when people give Jerry West too much credit
and I did the same thing at his introductory press conference. Contrary to what
you'll see on Winning Time, Jerry West is a very humble man and doesn't
like his way. Yeah. At his introductory press conference, I thought I
had this brilliant question. I thought I was just going to be the star
of the show. It was on NBA TV. I was like, I'll
give me the mic. I don't and I asked him mine too. He's
coming over from Golden State. I said something to the effect of, is
it almost like playing chess with yourself since you helped make the Golden State Warriors
and now you're trying to find a way to beat them being with the Clippers
here and he just kind of playing yourself and you know you're giving me far
too much credit. Please don't do that. He wanted to give the credit
to Bob Myers and the Golden State Warriors, even though he was allegedly the
guy that put his foot down like he did when it came when it came
to a drafting James Worthy with the Lakers to not trade Clay Thompson for Kevin
Love when at the time Kevin Love was getting twenty and twelve with the Minnesota
Timberwolves and looked like he'd add a different element to their offense. And he
said, no, we have something special the Splash Brothers here. We're not
going away from that. So, yeah, give credit where edited his due.
I think Lawrence Frank has been the right guy for the job, and
he has proven it. It's just bad luck with injuries going on with the
Clippers over and over again. Speaking of Jerry West, talked about that in
all his time in the game, he said this on the podcast Pee episode
two weeks ago, and all his time, he has never seen a team
more snake bit or cursed or whatever the jinx is that he has with the
Clippers, it's been it's been brutal. So you've seen a lot of basketball
Adam wildly defending Jerry West. We have a special guest drop in that we're
going to get to after this quick commercial break. If you're watching on YouTube,
it's not a real commercial break. I'm gonna introduce his guestle and go
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is here. I am Chuck Blockler. We are joyed by Joseph Fry Award
retiree. Yeah. Do you believe I'm on the link he's getting He's on
the links right now. Uh tie in between Canasta and running for the retirement
community, being bored in my household. Did you hit it big with your
startup? Company. Well, why are you retiring? I don't get it.
Um, that is a fair question. Actual, Well, I'm gonna
get to that reason. Rant. Yeah. The reason I'm here is because
I heard to the grape Vine that Chuck is trying to take my spot on
clip set, and so now I have to take his spot here on clips
and Debb. I think that's a fair trade. Yeah, I'm out of
here, mix that Drake's over. Actually, am I gonna do that?
Are you gonna do your right? Or are you wait a second? I'm
gonna wait a second. Adam can fill me in on Jilsep and Boys.
Y'all don't know DM all the time now talking about those. We've been having
our own podcast in two hundred and forty character mode for some time now.
Joseph, it's good to have you here on Cliffs and Dip. I was
wondering when this was going to happen. I think we had you early on
in season back way back in season one. This is episode one of season
two. Okay, okay, you are one of our first guests on the
podcast. But how are you doing? I'm doing Okay, you know you'll
hear exactly how I'm doing in terms of the Clippers in a minute, Okay,
and what have you guys been what have you guys been up to?
What have you guys been talking about? Just talking about college players we don't
know that much about because I think the draft is a complete crapshoot And I've
been saying this for years, and maybe it makes me lazier, lets me
affords me the right to not pay attention to college basketball as much because it
is such a mine field. And people tend to think every draft night that
the top thirty players, all of them are going to be All Stars.
And it's not true at all. The top ten are not all going to
be All Stars. Seventy percent of them are not going to be All Stars.
Yet people get their hopes up, and I understand hopes race eternal.
It's a good thing. Yeah, I saw I saw a clip earlier today
on Twitter reminding me that someone described Mo Bamba as a hybrid of Anthony Davis
and Joel Embiid. Is that not what he's become? I don't think.
I don't think it's crazy that the Lakers are shopping him. They had to,
right Davis? Is I know so crazy? Right? Um? But
yeah, no, my one of my least favorite episodes to do on clip
set all the time was the Draft because I was so woefully unprepared. Brian
and I one time we watched the Draft together and I think at some point
we looked at each other and we're like, I don't think we know who
any of these people are, Like, there's no reason for us to be
doing this episode right now, zero expertise. Yeah exactly, Um, but
uh, yeah, man, I mean the draft is always a crazy because
the NBA off season is almost more exciting than the actual regular season. So
for how casuals, Yeah, that's right for casuals like me, because they're
going, well, Um, I have someone saying that Brogden, he's expecting
Brogden to have an insane season. I also expect that I do. Yeah,
Yeah, it's gonna be rough. He's gonna play, He's gonna play
all eighty two. And oh, the Heat just took a UCLA favorite.
They took your guy, Joseph Dude, they took Highmaid eighteen. Yeah,
so apparently my promo was was killing it in the off season workouts and all
the all the buzz has been about High Maid going to the to the Heat,
so happy that he's there, but also at the same time distraught that
he will not be a Clipper. I wanted him so bad at thirty.
I mean, you got to return the jersey though, That's right, I
pre ordered it. Maybe they trade form after Heat culture, you know,
and then he becomes a superstar with the Clippers. You never know, he
still laid back. He's from California's from Camaro, right, yeah, all
right, So you wanted to rant, this is your time, take as
long as you want, as long as it's not over like twenty minutes.
I just I just want to say it's gonna be twenty five. So I
just want to say that the Clippers have really truly disappointed me. And maybe
this is just a matter of you know, pg's value is not high enough.
I just want to say that. Obviously, Paul George won my heart
in twenty twenty one. I was like the captain of the Paul George Army
all twenty I was a soldier like I wasn't just I was high ranking in
the Paul George Army. Okay for a while. Yeah, he won your
heart, but Reggie Jackson holds your heart. Yeah, exactly. Still if
the Clippers don't do something drastic with this team, and I mean I mean
like drastic with this team. They are complacent cowards that do not deserve any
of our respect. Okay, Adam, you can set this one out.
I know you're you're you're a team employee. We're absolutely I just I cannot
believe that we are at this place where they are going to run it back.
I know they tried to do the Brogden deal. People thought it was
an overpay. Those people are out of their minds. Okay, I just
I don't understand how they can look at what happened last year and decide,
Okay, everything is fine, let's just do this again. Look, they
are trying to get rid of Marcus Morris. Yeah, okay, cool,
let's attach a pick to Marcus Marks who said everything was fine. Lawrence Frank
came out and said, you got to respect the regular season. Yeah,
guess what if they bring the same team back, that's not going to happen.
How do you have a season is disappointing as what happened last year and
decide let's just run it back. Are they running it back? Because you
assume they're keeping Kawhi and Paul George that alone and trains the deadline and had
you know, a few new players, so it's not exactly running it back.
Okay, all right, okay, law, I hear what you're saying,
but I just want to say, great minds, think a like Joseph.
I don't know where you're at. Look, here's the deal. Here's
the deal. I understand that training thought. They change the team at the
deadline, whatever, blah blah blah blah blah. The core is the same,
Okay. Tie is still the coach, Paul George and Choir are still
the stars, okay, and the supporting cast is basically the same. Right,
that's very good. I like that, Adam Laglin, that's really good.
Will you're here, does it? It doesn't make any sense to me
for them not to be aggressively shopping things like for this to be my thing.
Do you know Paul George should be on the market. I didn't know.
He's not like unless we were. Seems to be that either A his
value is low, which is whatever. I don't care, but like to
me, it's the discussions were just that would go against your argument. But
if the discussions were just Portland and the Knicks. You're not aggressively shopping Paul
George like I'd be on the phone with the hot I'd be on the on
the phone with literally every team in the league trying to find a way to
reshuffle the deck around Kauai. Look, I get it that they were rumbling
with a hard heart reset, so like, you're not talking like a full
tear down. No, my favorite trade is obviously trading Paul George to Portland
for Scoot and whatever they have Scoot. Now, if they're willing to part
with Scoot, I'm all I will literally push Lawrence Frank out of the way
on the phone call and I will say yes emphatically, this is shameful.
Give me the phone, Give me the phone. Tred Redden currently has you
in a headlock. Though you may have gotten out of the way, but
Mark is coming to kick you in the ass. That's I'm fighting, bro.
I'm a black belt. I was an instructor. Okay, Jerry West
through shack up against the wall. You want that dad strength, you want
that look, old man, Jerry West needs to get out of the way.
Okay, I'm in targe Mark all right, Yeah, Mark uses six
six. That's a big man. That's a big man. But you know,
I gotta get inside next to him like you didn't know. Yeah,
I'm getting in. You're not gonna win by Jilson, respect, damn it,
You're winning by decision. But continue. All I'm saying is the Clippers
need to be doing whatever they can to maximize this window around Kawai, regardless
of the reports about the culture and Kawai as a star or whatever. We
saw in a game and a half or two games that Kawai can just lift
a team that's not very good over a team that's better than there like we
saw it now. Yeah, absolutely, And all they need to do is
is whatever they can to get rid of this old Rickety team that is placating
a star that gave up on the season because Drew Holiday picked him up full
court. There's an all star god forbid. Next season, they run it
back and og and and Obi picks him up in the half court and he
asks to come off the bench like they have to do something drastic. I'm
just la sick. Did that happen in the twenty twenty one playoffs where Paul
George was getting picked up full of court and just said no, Moss.
But that's exactly what I'm talking about, right, Like, so maybe he's
a regular season thing, I know, listen to me, bro, it's
it's a mindset thing. This has been what has been trailing Paul George for
his entire career. I love PG. I think he's one of the most
talented players in the league. But the biggest issue has been and to me,
the biggest failure is that we didn't win in twenty twenty one. So
Paul George finally figured out that that's how you have to play to win.
The fact that they didn't win, that he wasn't able to get over the
hump by himself doing that convinced him that he needs someone like Russell Westbrook to
take him over the top. Like the fact that this team is going to
run back a squad that needed Russell Westbrook, he who totally tanked the offense
when he was on the floor with Kawai and Paul George. They needed him
to quote unquote save the season. That is the most pathetic thing I've ever
heard ever. And the fact that it's like daid for those of you that
they are going to decide that Russ is the answer is totally insane. But
now we're got to bring us back. We don't need veteran players, by
the way, Willie Bowen, we don't need veteran players. We have all
We have two vets there. It is the AARP AARP. I agree that
we still don't know exactly how Russ would look next to a healthy Kawhi and
Paul. We do. I don't want any of m we do tag games
were on five. No, get out of here, Bro, it's four
and five. He can't fucking shoot. Nobody respects him on the outside.
He's operating. Both stars operated in the for the entirety of the two on
three era. The offense has been incredible when those two stars are on the
floor. When Russ was on the floor with them, it was the worst
offense in the league. What was it like, one hundred minutis? I
don't care, Bro, it's it's it's sample sized. Sample size matters until
it doesn't. Okay, it's unbelievable. I thought he played pretty darned well
against Phoenix. Yeah, and guess what one hundred what was the offensive ringing?
One hundred and five? Uh, let me look it up. And
we also lost them five. Yeah, they they should have You're right,
they should have beat them without Kawhi Leonard. That's Russ's fault. That is
a great point that that's not what I say, That's not what you just
agreed with. The still lost Okay, still matter context wise how they lost
dam Cam Whitmore is about to be gone. Oh wow, oh Man Cam
Reddish Cam Whitmore. Who is Brandon Podsmski? No idea. But Robert Fall
was upset that he got drafted, of course. Yeah. I was like,
so he's a Polish guy, went to Michigan. Uh, that's his
kryptonite. He's always positive about Michigan. Yeah, that's actually a very good
call. But he could be down about everything but Michigan. Joseph, what
what is the rant? All four? What are you trying to say?
What needs to be given some realistic train Here's what I wanted picking at thirty
during a what commercial is going to be the next commercial to be an MVP
drafted on. I'm gonna call it Chris Paul State Farm commercial. For some
reason. Oh, I'm calling it. John Hammer said He's commercial. It's
gonna be that, And I think we're gonna we got this. So who's
getting drafted. Hey, you're the mine reader with this office and how much
they're shopping guys, d I don't know my my my pick at thirty is
gone. Okay, when twelve spots too soon? Who want? You?
Were way off? Yeah? How to layoff? He was mocked so the
Clippers, and they did bring him in. Um, what do I want
you? Honestly, you did ten mock draft every single I did. Fourteen
actually makes Um, here's the deal. If I were the Clippers, GM
and I got a lot of pushback in our group chat about this. Um.
If I were the Clippers GM, our group chat, um, everybody
but Adams in And I'm sorry, Adam, we'll get you in there eventually.
All Right, it's a waiting list, Jerry, what's really negative?
I'm sorry, Um, it's very negative. I try and bring the positivity.
It's like an eye an iPhone line hammering the phone of Landry Fields.
The Hawks, GM and I would be trying to tantalize them with trading in
their depth GM trade Oh okay, yeah, yeah, their depth for Paul
George. So once they've already been on record saying that they want to well,
look, he's probably got Don Collins potentially. Okay, the larger trade
that I thought, I've included a TPB. We obviously can't do that anymore.
But it's Paul J. Murray, It's yours, Johntay Murray, John
Collins and DeAndre Hunter. Okay. And then you call Portland and you offer
John Collins and whoever you draft thirtieth for them for Anthreny Simmons. You get
younger, you get more athletic, and you still surround Kawhi with a competitive
team. Do you have it open in your trade machine right now? I
think we could share it if people know I have it. Um, I
have it. It's there, it's downloaded. But that's what I would do.
Raid machine has been warmed up, so I think I would keep Collins
over Simmons, who I do like. Anthony Simmons is a dead eye shooter
with athleticism he is, and a dead defender. But that's why you bring
in someone like DeAndre Hunter, UM and John Tay Murray. You start them
all together, and Kawhi has a bunch of young guys to run around and
do shit for him. You keep Darren's. I don't hate it. They're
all don't think it's that realistic. They're all the executive assistant They're all executive
assistants. Kawai has four executive assistants. He makes all Just get Kawai to
the finish line. All you gotta do, get into the finish line,
the big meeting. Don't knock it out from there. Yeah, I agree,
there's definitely something to that. I just get Kawhi healthy in a playoff
series, and you got a chance. You got a lot of youth,
you got a lot of athleticism. Hits the term, the term, Joseph,
you and I say all the time, innings eaters. Yes, we
need tell you good. I don't usually like cross sports metaphors, but innings
eaters is exactly what the Clippers need. You know, who's an innings eater
that we haven't talked about has been available for trade? Colin Sexton. I'm
I'm in okay. It would need to be a little bit biggall and on
Colin Sexton. The problem is, I don't know as much as I love
Colin Sexton because he's crazy, and I think the Clippers need more guys who
are crazy. Absolutely yeah, exactly crazy person in a good way. But
you didn't want in a bad way. Okay, Well that's that's different.
That's different. I'm talking on the court. I'm we're talking within the rectangle.
We're talking, yeah, exactly inbounds. Crazy crazy. I just I
don't know if I am willing to sink the future asset costs that it would
take to get Collin sextent because I have a feeling that Danny Ainge would ask
for twenty eight and thirty, and I just don't know if I'm doing both
those picks for Collin Sexton. Yeah, twenty twenty eight. I was like,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's big. Now that that's
a fair concern. I wouldn't be trade two first rounds especially, Yeah,
go ahead. No, But if we're gonna give quiet pg these, yes,
isn't it four for two twenty? I think so, yeah, it's
four for two twenty four pegs what he's at his next contract If we're giving
him four for two twenty and things continue to track the same way the way,
Yeah, that's all I'm saying. Just historically, if things continue to
do what they're doing, the direction, my hand is going, yeah,
chart really bad. That's the rough college two majors. So those picks become
Yeah, I think I think I'm with you, Adam. You have a
look of disgust on your face. No, I like Collin Sexton. Adam
just took two ear plugs out. He's got a relationship with Kauai. I
mean true, I don't hate the move. I just find it unrealistic when
people complain about why aren't the Clippers doing this, and it's like, well,
first of all, it would have to be completed for you to know
that they were doing that. I just want more solution driven stuff that is
realistic. And I'm not saying it's totally crazy what you're saying, but it's
a little bit fantasy. It's it's a little par session. I hear you,
because totally you haven't heard. But the Hawks have been on record about
trying to clear the clutter for guys like aj Griffin Um and Siddique Bay who
they acquired who they really like. Right, so can you absorb gay hive
is so strong on Twitter, by the way, right and traded group.
But what I'm saying is is could you that's that to me is a realistic
trade partner Because you're saying, Okay, look I'm going to give you a
start to pair with Trey that works a little bit better than de John Tay
Murray. Okay, just a little bit, right, and you're going to
have more minutes for guys that you have coming up that you're going to have
to pay. They've got a lot of future money. Johndre Hunter already signed
an extension, John Collins signed an extension, and John to Murray's up for
an extension. Right, this is also part of a money play. Right,
you give them PG for two years. Yeah, exactly. You give
them PG for two years. They can decide whether or not they want to
extend him after this year. They have an easy decision, right, yes
or no. If it's no, they play it out, They let them
go. They keep their young guys, they keep kind of the machine turning
another another trade I want to ask you about, would you do okay,
because you want solutions the Knicks were mentioned, would you do Emmanuel quickly Josh
Hart and Julius Randall for Paul George? Yeah, I don't want. I
don't know. I don't know if I want to dal this team got it.
I'd rather him than than r J. Barrett. Well, sure,
r J. Barrett not a great basketball player, bad even worth. Okay,
if the option is a kick in the nuts or a kick and the
ship, I'll take the kick in the shin Like That's what I feel like.
That argue, What if they add their future they're sorry, they're extra
picks next year? What are their extra picks next year? They have like
a protected Washington pick, a Detroit pick, and a Dallas pick all for
next year. So they trade none of their own picks. You get three
picks. One might not convey, that's the Washington pick. I think,
sure, um, but you get two first round picks next year. So
the two first round picks plus some maybe third Julius Randall quickly. Josh Hart
Josh Hart for Paul George, we'd have to add something else, which would
be one of our older wings. That money works, That money works,
That money works dependent you still have all your stuff. I would maybe consider
that trade. You still have all your other stuff, Adam, you can
work another deal, thoughts. I consider it. Josh Hard has had injury
issues, but yeah, I consider it. We love we love Terrence ban
right, what if two what if we had two Terrence Mans then they both
couldn't play it exactly and they both play fifteen minutes a game exactly. So
that's the thing I kind of want to talk about, is like, does
your frustration with this team become a lot less of terispan just ends up playing
like thirty minutes a game next year? No, not a Frus starts,
Not a Frus comes back and starts. No, what if it's the gore
to hot start. No, even if you don't like if Russ is back
on this team, they've failed this season because they have capitulated to a losing
attitude. The sort the saurus over here, Yes, that's true. I
am getting my masters. I just finished my last class of my master the
masters of the Saurus. That's right, not for us. What you finish
your wit. You finish your last class, your class. Yeah, I
have to do my thesis, so I don't have my masters yet. I
mean still a big congrabs. Way to go. I am hammered right now
to celebrate. So absolutely, Wait did you finish it today? Uh?
Yeah, I turned in my last thing yesterday and then like I finished my
last assignment today. Damn, I want to wear that tassel to the side.
Let's get come on the calf in the air. Man elaborate on this
inflammatory comment about Russell Westbrook, and they have committed to the whole reason we
got Paul we got Russell Westbrook is because Paul George didn't like to be picked
up full court by Drew Holiday. You've brought that up. Yeah, he
said it. He actually did. I didn't make it. He said it
on the podcast podcast with Paul George. Okay, quick, tangent people.
Many people have asked me why I hate the Paul George podcast, And it's
not that I hate the content of the Paul George cod past, although sometimes
I do hate the content of the Paul George podcast. Correct. The reason
that I hate it as a thing is he puts his foot in his mouth.
Some people just do that. Zero, I got news for you.
You talk long enough, you start to contradict yourself. He doesn't talk podcast
for four years. They never contradicted myself once till right now. Adam.
That's the issue. He doesn't talk very much, and he contradicts him.
Yes he does. Before that, we're the driver's seats, Spinyard. He
talks. He can't spin Yard. The man doesn't know a thing about Yard.
I never appreciated Day his life. It doesn't know where it comes from.
My issue is he he's a put your foot in the mouth. It
happens to some people, yes, and it happens to Paul George, and
I just he's been through it enough. He's such a good player, he's
so underrated, he's so fantastic as he's so good, but he just I
don't think can present the image that the public wants to see you. Paul
George, correct, I just could give a shit about that compared to what
he actually did during the here's the deal, Adoph went down. But here's
the deal, Adam. Since then, what he has said has matched up
with what he has done. Okay, the man, so he's no longer
himself. Listen, the man told us that his his little ego, Okay,
was bruised because Drew Holiday picked him up full court, which meant he
was no longer willing to do what the team needed him to do to succeed.
So he said, come and get my security blanket, which is Russell
Westbrook while he was still on another team. Adam, First of all,
I think a lot of people in Clipper Nation would say, we don't want
the ball in his hands. All that situations. Looking at the twenty twenty
one playoffs proved that the offense works best when the ball is in his hands
and he wants it in his hands. When he had his Reggie at that
level, it worked. You're right, okay, And so maybe instead of
Bad, instead of Adam, instead of bringing back in the worst volume three
point shooter in the history of the NBA, maybe we should bring someone who
can fucking shoot for him to have off of him. I don't know.
I just saw him shoot thirty six percent as a Clipper. It seemed like
he was I'm gonna hang I'm gonna hang up. I'm gonna hang out because
this is insane. Lee Gaverage. That's so that he didn't shoot thirty six
percent? Are you going to claim small sample size on that? But you
wouldn't do it with how many minutes he played next to PG and Kauai.
Let me look it up at him. See, this is the thing you
look up. I'm here to moderate between these two. You look up the
stats. That's the issue you bring us out. You look it up.
That's totally fair. I'm on board. I'm positive I've been peaking. A
search department is clutch hold on April twenty five, three for eighteen, the
second time he shot at least three for eighteen in the playoff thirty one for
six, one for six from three. He's one negative. He was a
negative in the majority of those playoff games. Hold I'm sorry, yeah,
because the negative every minute says here that the offense was bad when he was
on the four. Okay, so you know he shot thirty five percent thirty
five no, no, no, point three five six. You know you'd
be rounding up for anyone else out less attempts, less attempts than he had
in LA on the Lakers, and shoot, he shot twenty nine point six
percent. And let's see the year before that, twenty nine point eight percent
and thirty one point five percent, twenty five point eight percent, twenty nine
percent, thirty four point twenty. That won't change with the Clippers. I
was told that many times, Joseph, you said it too, and then
he shot thirty six percent from three. Do you believe that he'll do it
next year? No? No, I'm asking Adam. We know that thirty
three percent or above at low volume, it's fine. No, what is
not? It's not because him, Adam ideal, It's bad it's bad for
the tions that are realistic and Golan can be in the series on the season,
we're talking about three small samples, right, We're going to talk about
how the offense was bad and small samples. Over his entire season, he
shot thirty one point one percent. What does it matter how he looked with
the Lakers when you look like a completely different player. But the problem that
I have with with this point, Adam is when he moved to the bench
for the Lakers, he was productive. Oh, I will say I would
love to have Russ run the second unit. I said, that's the best
spot for him. I agree with you. So because Russell Westbrook had the
heat, like the heater of all like shooting aberrations that has ever happened in
this whole, entire universe. It's just weird because you're gonna say that happened
too, and but Toomb had it happened. Reggie could actually had fourhand,
right, Reggie could actually shoot shooter hand but he could shoot. Wasn't shooting
forty three percent from three? Yeah, but he wasn't shooting twenty eight percent
from three for his career? Yes, it won high voluntary six. I
mean he went up like eight percent from its all time high. Reggie Jackson
from three okay, but Reggie can actually shoot russk Reggie is higher. The
floor is higher for Reggie. Yes, Mike Conley would have been a better
pairing. I would have given my left lung for Mike Conley. Reggie is
a thirty five percent three blog shooter. I don't want to say the other
thing, which is the phrase. I didn't want to say that how I
used lung lungs too much, but lung transplant too much, way too much.
Russ is Russ even coming back, I think for the whole season we
will maybe see more of what Joss have talking about. I don't know if
it's the extreme of what Joseph's talking about, but history is not necessarily on
our side with back. No of his three point performance is what I'm saying.
It's like the Roco thing. I would love it if Roco would shoot
what did you shoot on corner threes? Like? That would be fantastic.
Even half of that would be great. But well then I'll get you the
corner three point numbers right now. No Roco's were in SAE. Roco was
like unconscious from three point in the corner. You know, Russ has has
some good years on corner trees. He's had like one an I've looked a
couple. He's at two, which is technically a whether or not Russ works,
to me, isn't fully dependent on whether or not he can hit threes,
but it's dependent more about coach lou and how it uses them and the
fair point, no matter what, Tyler's lawris a lot and Roses Brown vote
no matter what, take bad ideas. If Russ is on the team,
their ceiling is lowered, no matter what, no matter what, because having
a guy that is that turnover prone and that negative as a shooter is going
to put the stars in a phone both It's it's clear as day. If
you watched them operate with him on the floor, it was bad. I
saw him score one hundred and seventy five points one game with Russell on the
floor. I don't know, Okay, to be fair, we also lost
that well we are talking about defense right now, which they were actually much
better that group with Russell on the floord defensively the one can you really take
a lot from that sample when defensive yes, it were ridiculously good. That
the two and three connects with Adam you know who Russ is as a player?
I do. You know who he is, but he's not in the
league of seventy five years. You know what defenses are gonna do. Yes,
you can take that aware. And I'm also aware that he played differently
as a Clipper than he did as a Like he set five screens, Bro,
that doesn't mean he's a good shooter. He set more screens in his
first game and he did with said Lakers old season long. Like, I
get it. I understand the optimism, but at the same time, dude,
you know who he is as a player. Real coach got forty point
nine percent from the corners this season, No the season when he went crazy,
forty point nine this season, so still pretty crazy. Like Joseph,
what's your solution? Because I think don't have a bring up player. That
makes it harder for your stars back. But so we were just talking about
this, who's the starting point next year? Realistically we all want it to
maybe be Terence Man, But who do you think? You know what I'm
saying. If it's not Russ, who's Kylie roll Man? I don't know.
I mean Terry Rosier probably Okay, we talked about him. Yeah,
that rich Man's Reggie Jackson. You mustle love him. I love I've loved
Terry Rosier for a long time. I loved what he did off the Two
Stars in Boston. He's a guy who's proved that he can shoot off the
ball. He's got a little bit of length, he's got a little bit
of downhill stuff. Um, any any defense like that's that's all that matter
drives. That's a fair call. So that's a realistic move that could actually
happen. Yeah, I think I think trading Eric Gordon and Um Brandon Boston
or whatever for I know the future star of this future bro Um. But
if you could, if you could turn that into Terry Rozier, I think
that's that's a pretty pretty much of a no brainer. That's a nice little
trade situation. Hey, people can say I was wrong about John Wall,
but I was right about Can we talk about how much you were wrong about
John Wall for a second, talk about how much you were wrong about John
and Joseph. If you play both, you can't be wrong. No,
Listen, I came on your show. No, I was nice to you,
But the whole time I knew how much that wasn't gonna work? Okay,
terrible, terrible fit. Can we stop? Can we stop bringing point
guards that can't fucking shoot on this team? Never what happened, buddy,
literally never gonna happen. If there was that perfect guy that was attainable and
that easy to get, I think they would have got him. Oh.
Someone asked question, why couldn't Boston give us Marcus Smart because we don't have
any Well, I mean it would have cost a future pick, for sure,
would you have I would have dealt a future pick for Marcus Smart.
I probably would have dealt a future pick. He's awfer for Marcus Smart writing
DPO, He's perfect, would be great on this clips team. I was
surprised you win for that. It was a crazy price. What would you
have offered, Adam, Adam? Would you go first? Would you go
first round pick next year or whatever, twenty two first for Marcus Smart and
whatever you need to make the salary work. I probably would have done it.
He still, I think would you have done it if it was Terrence?
Yeah? Because I would because Terrence isn't gonna play, which I don't.
I'm not saying he shouldn't play. It's the Roco thing. I just
seeing what they got. I don't think it would have taken Terrence. I'm
saying, if that was the price, would you have done Terrence Man?
Number thirty and then a twenty twenty eight first round pick's probably not. I
think I would have done it. Marcus Smart, He's I don't know.
Yeah, that's a guy who I feel like fits really well next to perfect
And as we've said, innings either yep, good defender. I'd be nice,
a little bit some spark. So are you totally opposed to what Russell
Westbrook brings in the regular season? Dude? Yes, he said, yes,
yes, because here's here's here's any fundamental problem with that, Right,
here's the fundamental problem. If Russell Westbrook is what your team needs, you
need a new team. If they cannot, if they cannot get up on
their own, then there needs to be drastic changes. And that's exactly why
I feel the way that I feel, because if Russell Westbrook actually saved the
season, and guess what, I believe time when he says that, right,
I believe him because the answer wasn't on the basketball court, it was
off of it. Russ saved the season off the court, and the fact
that that's true means that this team needs to be blown up, because that's
pathetic. I mean that's good just feting they're missing something. I don't know
if they have to blow it all up. It's where the PG trade,
right, because like trading PG isn't blowing it up. That's but it's it's
it's shape. It's shaking things up enough to where people are like, Okay,
it's time, um to do something different. What changed for you after
twenty twenty one, with the second half and through the playoffs, it felt
like the vibes were right, So it honestly was it was really early.
If I'm gonna be real with you, Um, you know, as as
you guys know, like I was there every game. I came to every
game this season, you know, when it was a home game, and
I tried to get the vibes and like all that s other stuff, right,
um, and early this year they just didn't care. And to me,
as said the same thing to me, I think that's some information on
that, um, But like there is there is. There is a a
pro problem that I had from the beginning of the season, which was all
off season long they sold us this bill of goods, right that they're determined,
they're working, they had their year off, this is it. They're
locked in all this bullshit, right, and then they come out and they
just don't care. Kawai. Oh, I'm gonna come off the bench now,
right, Oh, I can't do this. And then he hurts himself
because he was too big coming in from camp um and and that's a fact,
you know, that's where the injury came from. And they just I'm
just I'm speculating, like the dude was at least thirty five pounds too heavy,
and once he slimmed down, he looked like he lost thirty five pounds.
I don't think. Well, I wasn't on. I wasn't was it.
You saw the videos of him coming, he looked like he was built
like a fucking freight train. Yeah, and all of a sudden he looked
like Kawai again. And always it's putting up thirty points a night, crazy,
he always comes. He came in just like that. In twenty twenty
one, I remember people said the same thing. Look at Kawa's bulked up,
he's hooked up. He does that all the time. This was a
different degree because of his injury. Anyway, they came in with a bad
attitude, they came in not caring, and then they continued to not give
a shit the entire season. So I honestly I thought that maybe for a
minute when they finally jettisoned John Wall, that the security blanket BS was over
and that the Stars were going to be the Stars. And then they lose
to the Bucks because Paul George was uncomfortable handling the ball. And then he
says publicly, not says, demands publicly that Russell Westbrook consider coming to the
Clippers so that he can he can feel comfortable being off the ball. This
is the same player that said that the reason why the Doc Rivers iteration of
the Clippers didn't work is because he didn't have the ball in his hands enough.
And now he says his game because his game was not coming off pindowns
and coming off a screens. Now he's going to say that his game is
also not handling the ball. So what is your game, Paul? What
is it? Is it on the bench? Is it not playing basketball?
Do you just not play basketball? Thanks Duce times, I am I told
you it was going to give spicy. Oh my god, that is hilarious.
Hey, you've been getting love too for those of you not watching Odd
at Clippers podcast on YouTube. Times it's just very funny. I don't yeh,
that's great. Actually, I love that. I love that duce times,
I am a moron. This is just me like unhinged because I retired.
Um, but like dude, I mean, how are you going to
flip flop like that? You demand the ball in your hands, You get
the ball in your hands, one good defender picks you up full court,
and now you need your security blanket. I mean he gave an example.
Are we not blowing it out of proportion? Just a little true holiday comments?
Are you not taking that and running with it a little too much?
Maybe? Like he probably did the same thing within the next change the season
to change the season? Ye nation of things it was to start the season,
wouldn't did they finally look good when Terrence Man got into the starting lineup.
I don't care about the competition. I've heard that that that lazy thing
brought up. Law brought up a good point about that, which I don't
think that makes necessarily what you're saying not true, Joseph. But Law brought
up the point that that was when PG and Choir were playing playoff minutes like
they were playing a hire minutes though, which helps everyone look better. And
then what happened when they played playoff minutes with Russ didn't go as well.
Their defense was amazing. That's about the advanced stats saying. Okay, I'm
just you can't say it was all bad or the defense looked that good.
They were still a five net rating. Huh so the worst? Okay,
so every okay, listen, you don't even know the paron Jordan's broven eleven
eleven players played with Kwai and Paul George this season. Okay, I feel
only four am I wrong had offensive ratings that were lower than what would be
in like the top five. Absolutely what uh let's see so like one sixteen
point nine is the lowest among what I'm looking at, and that was Eric
Gordon, Okay, Paul George with Marcus Moore two one three with Marcus Morris
one eighteen point eight, two on three with Reggie Jackson one nineteen two and
three with Nico PA Team Nico PA Twum one nineteen point five two one three
was Zoo one nineteen point six two on three with Luke one twenty two point
two two on three with Terrence Man one hundred and twenty six point one.
Now your defense. Okay, well that doesn't fit the narrative. We can
do that too. No, we can do that, tape can we can
We can do net rating two. But here's the deal. It's a plus
five net right one one ten point six with Mason defense one ten point No,
this is offense one ten point five with Russ the norm minutes, we're
terrible two one or nine point two, John raw one oh seven point one.
No, like Trio had ever been that bad until this season in halven
minutes. Come on, dude, how do you feel about those? How
do doesn't matter about how do you feel about those Luke minutes? How did
you feel about those Luke minutes? Canard? M hm when this season?
How did you feel about the two on three Luke minutes? This season?
They were sporadic? Sean Holmes was going to Dallas? Oh shit, no
way, Um, I want the Clippers to make a move. I'm sorry.
I feel like Luke was putting some really bad positions this season. Hey,
hey, Adam, Adam, Adam, how many minutes. How many
minutes do you think Russ, Paul, George, and Kauai played. I
said one hundred earlier, so okay, two hundred and thirty. Okay,
okay, let's let's sort by. I don't think either y'all is gonna win
the other games. So it was the same those eleven, one, two,
three Lakers are going to train right in the middle about as many minutes
as they played with Nico Beatum. So it's a significant enough sample size for
you. So then the defense is also significant with Russ those two what was
the defensive rating? It was like one oh five. It was really good.
That's tight. So there's two sides of the story. Which one do
we believe the offense because I know who Russell doesn't off only the offensive part.
I agree with you, I said from the beginning. We still don't
really know if that could ever work, but I do think they forced it.
There are good things with Russell Westbrook, especially in the regular season,
and if he comes back for three point eight million, it is tough to
find better value than that. The problem is Adam, if he's coming back,
it's because Paul needs him right with his psychoanalysis, and sorry, and
get big. It's in the playoffs. He is, dude. I think
it's a lot of Look how smart I am as a Clipper fan. I'm
not saying you, Joseph, but I think a lot of people like to
do this and be like, how and you have that mentality, how can
you be this type of player? Look at him contradict himself. It's like,
Yeah, you pick apart pretty much any player that talks for a bit
and has a podcast, it's going to happen a lot. You pick apart
any of us, it's going to happen a lot. No, I think
I'd be good. Okay, maybe Chuck not at all. Two times I
really appreciate it. I have been a Clipper fan my whole life. Um,
and he's got a Danning Maning Bro, Dude, Danning Manning, Um,
Clipper start. Every team is making moves. Sorry all I'm saying Clippers
aren't doing anything. I'm on record, I'm muchure to have Westbrook coming off
the bench for record, Bro, And I don't think the Terrence man stuff
was that credible. I think three of those gamesis flaming me. That day
when Adam One on record saying rush to come off the bench. I was
only had three keys. I do it with the media. That was a
big day for all of us. Look Terrence Man four record over time against
New York and they almost blew two games against Atlanta and Chicago. I'm not
saying I don't want Terrence Man as the starter. I do think when people
just throw out look ten and four, everything was fine. It was not
fine. Still go into the granular level with those games. It wasn't.
All I'm saying is to go to the granular level. The offense had been
in the toilet the entire season. The entire season, no matter who was
in the floor, the offense was in the toilet. Terrence Man gets in,
started into the starting lineup, offense takes off more Mans for PG and
kwai. Oh wait, let's talk to Terence. Let's talk to Terrence Man.
Thing because we're keeping thirty. I don't know if we're gonna be able
to trade Marcus Morris for whatever. Um Terence Man. There's no world in
which he starts right. I don't mean that from a should he. I
don't mean that from maybe. I think it depends on what they do there
for position. I think if they if they go to Kauai and they say,
you're going to be our starting four, right, you don't have to
bulk up whatever. We understand that we don't actually have put on forty five
more pounds. No, I'll say I think there's there's there's a possibility that
Terrence starts pretty much no matter what, you slide two and three down a
position and whoever it is that starts at the point. You know, whether
it's Russ who's probably most likely at this point or whatever, that Terrence could
start at the two. Adam, how do you feel with Terrence at the
two? Because do it? Can't we even convince go why to slide down
on the fourt I don't know if they have. I don't mean that in
a weird way, but if that's the most likely spot that Terrence starts,
as long as he starts, that's a good thing. Yeah, four minutes
overall starting about the five, haven't take the jump and it shows a belief
in him once again, which I'm still perplexed about the fact that they closed
with him in the twenty one playoffs in big moments and this season they went
away from him. That is hard to write. Even crack thirty minutes in
the playoffs and it was twenty three a game, right, Chuck, let
me look, but I'm pretty sure it was the same amount as when I
think out his numbers didn't change there are I said last year, even with
all of the bs that went on, that the Clippers did have a formula
to win, like to really win. Obviously, the injuries, as they
always do, kind of read their ugly heads and chow away that formula.
But I also felt like it was minutes per game last year. Yeah,
wow, I knew. I just don't. I don't think that they ever
built habits. You ask, like when I was out on Paul George or
whatever. It's the whole thing, right, they never built good habits.
And it felt like the difference between twenty and twenty one was ties ability to
get everybody pulling in the same direction. Right. It finally felt like everybody
was together. It took a long time. That twenty one season was also
up and down, but by the end of the season they kind of raw
pulling in the same direction and they kind of had all figured it out.
Well. They had the Atlanta game where something was born out that night and
theirff that's right, Yeah, exactly. I think every I think we've done.
You've done so many episodes of the show, and I think Adams worked
that into every single good Adam, I love that, Joseph. If you
didn't come on, I wouldn't been able to do it. Man Clutch on
your part. Thanks. I just think I think that this season. The
reason why I have such a sour taste in my mouth and the reason why
I went such obviously you know, hot to eat huge changes to be made
sure is that this group specifically kind of proved to us that they didn't have
it together anymore. Ty didn't have it, Stars didn't have it. The
role players were fed up. Everybody's a little older, like to me.
The reason why running it back is such a big deal, even even if
it comes with Rus or whatever. And let's say Russ has another great run
as a Clipper and like the regular season is great, is like they're not
building the right habits as a team no matter what. Having said that,
you can keep going. But I just want to know, did you think
they were going to beat Phoenix after Game one in the series? Oh?
Absolutely, because I'm a fan. But even if you take the emotions,
if you take the emotions out of it. Did it not look like,
Okay, Kauwhai's back. They got the best player in the series, and
they can win this even without Paul George. Obvious magic is there. They
can pull it off. Obviously. To me, it was more about I
think Phoenix are frauds, right, that's number one. Hey, I'm the
pretty eminent choir. Hey they think they are too. They had to get
Beal, Yeah, the pre eminent Chris Ball hat like whatever. Right.
I thought I was fueled by my hate more than I was by my hope.
Right. I didn't look at this Clipper team and was like, oh,
yeah, I dude, we're winning the title. The whole year I
thought if they won the title, they were going to back their way into
it, Like it wasn't gonna be Oh, the Clippers are like this dominant
team. It was gonna be like they kind of fell into a round where
they had an advantageous matchup and then they won a title. So which has
Watching watching Game one, I was like, oh my god, this Phoenix
team really isn't who everybody thought they were. I was right, That's how
I felt. The best failing of the world when you look at that eye
and say I was run. Yeah, no credit to Clippers look like they
flipped a switch at all, because it sure seemed like the intensity was there.
I know which exists the Kawai. I know who Kawhi is. I
will say the only player mooning Kawhi, though I was the only coach to
actually flip a switches quiet because we've seen him do it. I mean,
Norm had forty in game three. Russ looked, he had the amazing play
that out of bounds play on Booker the block in game one, like everybody
the offense the entire first half. Like we can talk about his defense,
that's fine, but like he was terrible in that first half. Terrible.
I agree he had bad halves. I don't know if he put together a
complete game, but no, outside of Kawhi, I can't say, really,
any Clipper didn't that scene at least well Norm the one the one game
didn't some showtime handles or something, I'd give a complete game. Norm tried
to win this game five, okay, Not Norm plumbly plum dog Millionaire tried
to win his game five okay, but was like, well I might be
going home. We love not going home there. Yeah, big switch flip.
Yeah, Big Plumb finally woke up. Game five. Yeah, we
got to un leash big blog. Go on though about your thoughts about a
couple more picks. Clippers were going to see this game changing thirtieth pick.
We're gonna win brow. I hope we're gonna talk about that pick for five
minutes and then we're gonna end the stream. By the way, I should
have gotten off. I'm sorry everybody to get in too much. No,
I just think I think I think this group has proven them it's stale,
and that's why I want something big, right is they have basically shown that
they are willing to be complacent, and I think that's kind of top down
um marketing wise. Yeah, they re used the damn playoffs stuff, that's
what well. Yeah, the playoff shirts were from last year's slogan, which
I thought was very funny. I am bro all hands Wait is it all
hands or no quarters? Given? All or nothing? What do we Yeah?
I know it was all it was all convoluted. I just they topped
down. If they just run it back, which again no guarantee, this
could all look really stupid, like whatever, Maybe they listen to this and
they're motivated if they run it back, they're just complacent because they're worried about
opening the arena instead of worried about when I was worried about that. But
that that permeates, right, And I think this feels really simplistic, but
like, if you're going to look at the slogans and everything they did in
that first year of two one three, that not working I think really did
them into service and has made them kind of gun shy about looking stupid again.
Because if if they had won in twenty nine twenty twenty, which I
am convinced they would have had COVID not happened, they would have looked like
the coolest, like the greatest marketing team. All of it would have looked
awesome. But because they lost in the way that they lost, there's this
stain about taking risks now in the organization, and I think that that has
stuck, and that's kind of been like my biggest gripe. Yeah, you
think they're taking a risk if they keep this group together. So yeah,
Adam wins, So yeah, the biggest risk of all is almost keeping this
group together. I honestly, this season was frustrating on many levels, so
I get where Joseph is coming from. I just I'm also still looking at
it. You say things have gotten stale. I'm still looking at at it
as I see that to a point. But maybe we're making too much of
one season and it could have easily been covered up had they gotten past the
first round and played a competitive series against the Denver Nuggets, and then we're
saying, Okay, this team, they're still not far away. I just
I don't think that that's true. And the reason why I don't think that's
true is like, winning first round series can't be good enough, right,
And I think that my core principle as a fan don't understand in that position.
This is a straw man. What I'm saying, you know, what
I'm saying is he's like, what you're talking about, right, is the
fact that if they had beat Phoenix, right, which everybody predicted they wouldn't
win. Let's say they do that and then they played seven games against Denver,
which nobody probably would have predicted. Anyway, A couple of people in
ESPN probably would have picked the Clippers of Wayne and paulsouthing whatever. Like.
We can talk about all that, but to me, you have to have
a championship mindset from day one through the end of the Sea season. What
is that when when you put together a team like this and when you take
the risk that they did to get Paul George and Kauai that they did,
anything short of a championship is a failure and you have to move that way.
And what does a championship mindset? Me and Joseph when you say that,
when you look at everything that happened CrossFit and streetwear, that's what PG
needs to talk He only talks about the grinds. All he talks about as
a grind. You know what I mean by that, Adam is this team
had every ability to come into the last season with a chip on their shoulder,
right they lost the season of Kauai. PG got hurt. They didn't
really get um, you know, a run in last year's playoffs all that
stuff, and they came out and they just didn't care. And it looked
like that to night one. It looked like that against the Lakers. Yes,
I don't think it looked like that against the Lakers is the first game
I came out in the media. They went to a spot and hit a
jumper. We can talk, we can talk about a game one whatever.
They always get up to the Lakers no matter what. Even in this season
where they didn't play well, they got up every game for the Lakers.
Right, you get up for the Lakers, they do get it for the
Lakers for sure. Would you categorize the first week of the season as a
team that was Look, Tyler literally came out and told us they weren't ready
for the beginning of the season. Well, I came out and said in
a postgame press conference. What like We asked him, what is your biggest
concern? He said, We're not ready. You think that's a championship mindset.
I think what he was talking about more so is I don't remember if
that I went out. I mean, it kind of rails that championship mindset.
You lose the guy that you thought was coming back and everything was going
to be all good, and then a weekend they lose Kawhi. It just
seems like it's natural that, Yeah, you might lose some of that championship
mindset, of that focus. Look, and there's nothing they could do about
that. What could they do about that Kawai injury? Well, there's a
lot that could have done on the quay injury. I get them on the
staff. What are we waiting for? I just well, no, not
even like making it matter. I think that they handled it. They handled
it partly, okay, regardless of not playing it's a problem. All I'm
saying is that the Clippers did not attack the season the way that they should
have. And looking at a group that didn't do that and saying yeah,
that's good enough is what I'm trying to avoid. And that's what I'm talking
about in terms of championship mindset and all that other stuff. Well, I
am nowhere near saying that's good enough or saying that a first round went over
the Phoenix Suns would have made it okay. I just think when when,
when we are now this far into this build, right, is it a
build at this point? Because it feels bill it is. We built it.
It's built. It is a structure. Now like that is far into
it, we're doing some some refabs. Yeah, like you can't. You
can't look back and say that this is okay, like what happened last year
in any other like like any other system is not okay. You're saying if
they bring back Kawai and Paul George they're complicitness, say it's just those two
because I don't think it's like bringing back Kawai and Paul George that that's not
necessarily something you could make it. You could make the argument that that's okay
as long as you shuffle everything around them. Yeah, yeah, because we
obviously we all I think we all agree here they need some different power forwards
other than the combination right now Morris, which they've already tried to trade.
Right, But who are you using of saying that's okay? Then every say
everybody the proverbium there's an off season happens, Lawrence Ranks, the front office
would be made, the coach. I understand that, But here's what are
they saying it's okay? Adam? Do you think that any other franchise would
make zero drastic changes after a season like last year? You're you're like October,
Joseph, it's not the off season started, Adam. Second, Would
they keep their coach, would they keep their front office, would they keep
their stars, would they keep their supporting cast? Do you think that that's
what would happen in any other situation after the season that the Clippers just had
no And I don't know if the Clippers are doing that either is the point,
Joseph, you're saying, you're all condemning them for an off season that
hasn't happened yet. That's ridiculous. You're saying, they're saying it's okay by
the moves that they've made this offseason when the off season hasn't start. The
Clippers don't move in silence like everybody says, and there hasn't been enough noise
about shaking it up. How much is enough for you? How how much
do you need? And the fact that if there's two teams that did talk
to them about Paul George, to your point earlier, you want more talk
about Paul George on the clips. If there's two teams that have already talked
about him, then other teams know he's available and would be calling like they
don't have to raise the flag. That's saying we're okay with trading Paul George,
like we're not going to know. How much is scuttle butt as you
would say, Chuck is going on? Everyone should about Adam. You're right,
and I have absolutely made a nemesis out of duce times. I mean,
this guy has just given me the business in these comments. You are
so right, and Chill I told I told Chuck when I texted him that
I was just going to come on here and rant. Okay, so you
have to be fair, Adam. I just like this smart guy, and
you already offered solutions. I'm just I'm just playing the other side of it.
Let me do my bit. It's my turn. Okay, I'm doing
my skip right now. Let me do my bit. That is one of
the greatest things ever he said. It was my turd. God, God,
he sucked. God he sucked. But he's fantastic. Like, let
me do my skip. I know a characters ratings when I have rational conversations
all the time. There's about to be four more minutes in the Clippers Pick.
By the way, we got another nine hours of this. Did it
go down with the last three hours without another case? As dime mountain dew?
Sorry? Getting intel, guys, hold on, you're getting some intel?
Well, I got sources, b am. I being drafted. Yeah,
that's right, Wow, classic Clippers pickin Indiana. Then I'm going to
Denver. Let's yeah. Oh all right, Clippers are on the clock.
Man, man, we're about to change the damn franchise, y'all, this
is You're gonna have to tell me who it is because I don't have it
on Joe's rap. If they are in win now mode, regardless, if
they move Paul George, they should probably just trade the pick, right,
Yeah, you don't need this guy. I don't mean that it's a disrespect,
but he's just not going to play for a team that's trying to win
a championship. Yeah, there are too many There are too many players ahead
of them, right, Like there was there was a lot of um a
kind of push back on like including a mirror, and it's like a mirror
didn't play. And when he did play, he wasn't great. Like he's
a twenty six year old guy, Like it's not have you ever heard of
January twenty twenty one, you freaking idiot. I was in love with him
and I clamored for him to play, but he didn't, Right, I
was surprised. Tilimara was that upset too. We love but mad Untilmara.
I got mad Untilmara in the chat. You also the most I know.
I just think at this point, if if you're going to kind of keep
it the way it is, you gotta do what you can to sort of
reshuffle what's around two and three? Um, And your best kind of asset
is thirty um. And I don't think that if you're if you're contemplating not
giving two one three a full extension, right, what zach Loto has to
be right, Someone's going to give them a full extension. Cliver's going to
get a deal on it. You can't do like you can't keep kicking the
candom, like you can't keep trading a Wayne all your feature picks on a
group that hasn't proven to have the right kind of identity. So, um,
i'd trade thirty. I wouldn't really trade anything in the future unless it's
something crazy. But I just don't see that happening either. We all like
Brogden, but I don't like tendon or lack of tendon whatever that his elbow
apparently has made out of paper machee services. Team can't even get Tommy John
surgery. He doesn't have the lik Sorry, I was wondering if he had
the same thing that Paul George had his injury he had like Tommy John for
a basketball player apparently doesn't matter right, which to me, like if if
that if that was the this guy of Douce Times, I didn't know who
this is. I didn't even meet this guy because he has given me the
business. But that's a pretty good law actions yea. For those of you
not watching, Deuce Times said he wouldn't believe Joseph Is if his tongue was
notarized. I don't. That's a good one, dude. He's flaming me
in these comments. That's also how you know, and I mean disrespectfully,
that he's old as hell. That's an old as hell person saying, and
I mean this in a nice way. That's right. Well, I can't
wait. He did like Danny Mannings. Danny Mannings was his favorite players.
That's like saying I once had an old guy tell me when I was working
on the ranch that he had a hernia's worth of paperwork to do. That's
fantastic. That's a that's an old as hell term, which I love.
Um, come on, clips make the pick. Wait, Leonard Miller is
it in? I don't know. I saw one tweet that said Leonard Miller.
What I's from an account, but I don't necessarily trust who's Leonard Miller?
Please tell me? Oh, I don't know. Are you an anti
college basketball fan as well? Joseph Um, I really, I really was
like a huge um college basketball fan for a long time, and then thanks
started to get worse. Law tweeted out a Reggie Miller gif. Miller Miller,
am I going crazy here? Six ten, Oh god, he's six
ten Oh no, six ten nineteen. He's from Canada League Night Saadian lets
go. They've had a lot of luck with Canadians guys here Moon good versatility
on the defensive end. It has to add some weight, obviously, classic
Clippers draft pick needs to add some weight. Oh he's not an under sized
five. But in my heart I said he's not an undersized five. But
in my heart, no, he's just a four. He's just a normal
four. He's a six. Dude. Oh, he's a Terrence hairents.
He'll do whatever we want and you know, get disrespected kind of maybe a
little bit along the way. Come on, clips make an official someone saying
Gregory Jackson, what's going on? What's going on? Who is it?
Oh man, what's in the box? A lot of people want Leonard Millers.
Oh man, I'm gonna tell we should timestamp at the moment that we
all find out the draft? How? How is how is it that it's
all eight eleven and the Clippers are just finally picking. It's the thirtieth pick.
It's way too long, bro, It's way too long. Hours three
hours? What else is going on? It's just been BA and baseball.
They're gonna own the moment. Baseball, Baseball going on? I was baseball
is going on, dude, I've been watching the shit out of the College
World Series. Yeah, doing a round. Someone just said, when are
they going to announce the SCOOT for PG trade? Are they about to trade
down? What if the Clippers trade down? It's the Clippers trade own first
round. You're gonna get a really cool first person view of me smashing the
shit out of my if they trade back to the last pick. Are we
staying on until this is the last? But yeah, we're gonna stay until
the sectill pick six. I'm gonna do all this the ninth hour of the
clips and dip drafted Trapagan. We haven't eaten anything. Joseph's still here.
We've all lost our jobs. At some point, will we'll be able to
show up? I think enough if you stay on long enough, Hey,
Carl how long is this taco John's bs come on? So so yeah,
I don't know, Um, it's gonna be in there. Apparently there was
a bunch of scouts at Pepperdine games for the Clippers. This has turned into
Chuck. One of those moments to circle back to the very beginning of this
podcast where you wish you could get the news on Twitter early. This is
actually I would love that. Um, Chuck wants the spoiler finally, now
I want Well, when you pick thirty, I think you get you should
be given the pick before everyone else picks thirty, should actually pick first?
Did we get the money Bates um in money? That would kind of suck
perfect Clippers pick money Bates money bits the dude who was like supposed to be
good and then like had one good game and they could he beat the Kobe
Brown Kobe Brown. According to Jake Fisher, Kobe Brown said it too.
Kobe Brown, Kobe Brown, we gotta go sixty eight from Mizzoo twenty three.
I knew it. I talked about this earlier in the stream, that
the Clippers would take an older guy. I nailed that part. Welcome to
the team with your old ass. We can talk about. What are we
talking about? How many trade coming? Yeah? Yeah, how many doors
our triple eight cards can open us? What's up? Kobe Brown? I
hope you put Kobe on the back of New Jersey. Actually be crazy,
still young enough to be named after the late grade Kobe Bryant. Take that
they need a ready behind player. Okay, oh yeah, Kobe, yeah,
all right? Minutes? All right? What do we think in minutes
per game? Kobe Brown? First season under over from three I'll take it
for real, on three attempts a game that's efficient. He and Russ at
the three point shootout, It's gonna be crazy, dude, this fucking guy
they're both going to shoot point and god damn it at him. I'm old
enough to remember when Marcus Morris said he was going to lead the league in
three point shooting and the canard we're fighting for it. This guy's offensive rating
is senior year of Buck twenty eight. Wow, war Joseph, that's a
board, buddy, that's Terrence Man levels. Terrence Man. Never you know
what his defensive rioting was, but go four Wow. Welcome to hell Over
Teams. Sorry I don't have to say it. I'm back in I'm all
the way back in what are we? What are we thinking for Kobe Brown?
Year one? What's he gonna put up in the G League? And
I mean that in a nice way, because thirty eight minutes a game,
forty seven points, six rebounds for assists six eight two fifty big boys sec
team average sixteen a game. I'm you know, let's go weaknesses. Despite
being quick and nimble for his size, he doesn't boast a vertical leap that
jumps off the page, no pun intended. Maybe a disadvantagement going up against
bigger players in the front court. Let's go fouls too quickly, older prospect,
perception of limiting but wrecked. This is a Clippers, correct, this
is a Clipper. He has a brickhouse. TSL. Flake said, he's
a brickhouse. Looks like a Brickhouse's gonna be a good time. Um he's
got that and swit in. Colin was scoot sure, oh yeah, very
similar. Might be the similar player, similar projections. You know the Robe
Brown is a bench player? How dare you? How dare you? Animals?
The nerve? So starting with we get Marcus out of here, put
Kobe Brown in before U. Unique combination as a wing player after averaging a
career high three point three attempts per game from three. Wow, let's go,
um you know proven h glass crasher, Oh need that, need that?
Marcus Morris, archetype. Let's go him, AMusA, Bro, you
go if you go small with him? AMusA for the Calliane Clippers. Good
luck, good luck, d Ontario Clippers. Now excuse me, we're always
I don't know what you're talking about. Um, someone saying Kobe Brown over
Marcus Morris, how we feel about the pick? Let's grade the pick instant
grade A plus A plus plus A plus bro a plus. What if they
just didn't know research and they were like, shit, uh, Kobe,
I know that name? You mean you mean like they did with Oturu,
they knew how tall he was kind of for the most part, they did
not. They knew he was over six feet tall, at least at least
they thought he was a little bigger though they look bigger than he was.
Adam, he had a shrunk spurt. You can't account for that. Who
drank a lot of coffee before? It's Boes just went that's what happens.
You're both shrink out, saying seems everyone on Twitter hates it. Everyone on
Twitter hates everything. Who would you love? What would you love at pick
thirty? And I again, I mean, this is no disrespect to whoever's
drafted at thirty. Who are you loving at thirty? School? What are
we getting thirty? Sure? I love it. If Victor fell, maybe
he likes white wine and run in France is like that's how they get his
draft stock to fall. Oh, I don't know, Like what do we
want at thirty? How can you hate this pick? We have so many
bigger issues. One of the things I love that Law talked about, and
then we're gonna wrap it about because you've been going for a strong strong One
of the things that Law brought up was it's win now. We need to
think about now. And he's not wrong at all. It's kind of what
Joseph was talking about. It's a little of what Adam was talking about with
how much he wants to see Moses Brown, Like this is for now.
So what I'm saying is, don't be upset at the thirtieth pick right now.
I know you can send whatever stats you want at me about draft capital
and YadA YadA, YadA. I reject them. I just it's the thirtieth
pick for a team that needs to win. Now, I don't There's so
many other things to be mad about. Just don't be mad about this.
Be mad about everything that Joseph and Adam and I have talked about. Don't
be mad about the thirtieth. Be mad at me. Don't be out at
either of them. Just be out at me. Be mad at Joseph.
But I don't know, Joseph. I would tell you to plug something.
But you're retired, I am, and you know what you do when you're
retired. You come on a podcast because you have an hour of free time.
That's fine. I just want to say I love you. I love
you, and I know that I'm I'm doing a show, um, but
I that I love your names, your new nicknames, money talk now,
but many tires, right. I love the Clippers. I want them to
win. I want them to make me look like a big dumb idiot.
So whatever that takes, I'm in. I'm all in, so it's always
I'll be there. It's gonna take them on Russell Westbrook, So I'm sorry.
That's fine. If that's what it takes, that's what it takes,
Okay. I hope can I propose a bet if, at the end of
next season, no matter what happens with the Clippers, if Tyler says a
kid that Russell Westbrook saved us season, will you get a Russell Westbrok jersey.
Yeah? Sure, that's so awesome, great because we used to have
a bet that Will is going to eat a crow if John Wall shot over
from three. Yeah, that didn't happen. Guys, he's got her.
Yes, I know you casuals didn't watch the season and astily as I did.
I love Petty Adam so much. What can you? Where can these
wonderful people find this podcast? All right? Also, the next podcast is
coming out in the week. You should be done with this one by them.
If not, don't worries Adam. Where can these wonderful people find our
content? At Clippers podcast Fucking marathons is where you can find us. No
at Clippers podcast on YouTube, At Clippers pod on Twitter. Joseph, you
still have a Twitter account? I do, but you don't have to follow
me because I'm probably not gonna be tweety much, So that's okay. Just
follow Adam all right? Tell him how smart he is and how handsome he
is? Um they do that already, plug yours. Okay, don't take
don't take anything I say seriously, um, because I'm just a fan with
a lot of opinions. Okay, life is a nightmare. Yeah, life,
I'm just a fan and clips are a nightmare. Yeah. There you
go. Now wait before we go we Okay, you can find it.
Find me at Chuck Mocker on Twitter. Find Will at will up, Tike
Adam is at follow Adam A. We're gonna be back next week, but
can we get a clippers Bro send off for the ogs. We've been listening
to myself and Will who's usually here and do this all right? Clippers Bro
used to come on every now and then, clippers Bro. How are you
feeling about Kobe Brown at the at number thirty? The sim Bro, it's
me. Nobody in this draft has been talking about the killer that is Kobe
Brown. Okay, the dude is built like a Hank Zion might be,
you know, chasing women around, but Kobe Brown has the right mindset and
the same physical build. Okay, the dude can jump out of the gym
and shoot from deep. He's gonna be starting and playing forty minutes a night.
Bro, You don't need PG, you don't need Kauai because it's clips
in three till we d I E with Kobe. Okay, I'll hang up
and listen Kobe Clippers Brown, thank you so much. Well me Matt next
week and as always, let's go Clippers