1 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:21,440 What is krak Alakin fellow thermonuclear a efforts. I am Dan Favalley coming at 2 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,879 you without my fantabulous co host, Grant Hughes, because I am joined by 3 00:00:25,359 --> 00:00:31,679 the equally fantabulous Adam Spinella, who just runs the Box End, one, 4 00:00:31,879 --> 00:00:35,960 the substack, the YouTube channel. Follow him and them. It's on Twitter 5 00:00:36,079 --> 00:00:39,920 at the box End, one that's at thh E b O x A N 6 00:00:40,039 --> 00:00:46,000 d O n E underscore at the Box and one underscore on Twitter. So 7 00:00:46,079 --> 00:00:48,880 much draft content he puts out, one of the best of the business, 8 00:00:49,039 --> 00:00:54,240 longtime friend and guest of this podcast, and it is that time of year 9 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:58,840 again where we pump him for information here and I am so excited in honor 10 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:03,320 of Spins, I'm wearing the hard would Knox fuel, black caffeine and protected 11 00:01:03,399 --> 00:01:07,680 draft picks shut so top fifty five projected draft picks hit tight, semi topical. 12 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,000 So I put that on. It's wrinkled. It was just for you. 13 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,079 I was literally meeting a deadline. I threw this on just for you. 14 00:01:14,599 --> 00:01:17,920 I am excited, But first and foremost, the most important question, 15 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:22,640 I will ask you, how the heck are you? Dan? I'm tired. 16 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,840 I don't know about you, man, but like this draft cycle in 17 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,719 June, and how all of the film that goes into get into the finish 18 00:01:29,799 --> 00:01:32,760 line here, like it tires you out. You got on top of that. 19 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:34,480 I'm just at the end of, you know, the school year for 20 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:40,120 my day job. There's apparently like a thick left layer of haze in the 21 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:44,480 air. And my eyes can't open today. Like the world might be ending, 22 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:48,439 it might not be either way. Like I'm better than I'm saying, 23 00:01:48,879 --> 00:01:51,640 but I'm damn tired. Man. I just want to watch a couple more 24 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:56,280 weeks of good basketball and go to sleep. I feel for you this time 25 00:01:56,319 --> 00:01:59,359 of year. I hope you're able to rest soon. I'm sure the air 26 00:01:59,439 --> 00:02:00,879 quality out my window it's like yellow now. It's like, yeah, if 27 00:02:00,879 --> 00:02:05,480 anyone's never seen Harry Potter, it's like a basilisk eyes outside. That's the 28 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,240 level of air quality at the moment. So I hope you're staying safe as 29 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,560 well. But I would love for you to get some sleep soon. I 30 00:02:12,599 --> 00:02:14,599 know this is a busy time of year for you, which is why I 31 00:02:14,719 --> 00:02:19,520 mega appreciate you hopping on the test for the annual Mega Primer. However, 32 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,759 before we jumped on, and the reason we didn't jump on sooner. I 33 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,960 wanted to ask you about this, Chris Haynes, my colleague. A Bleacher 34 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:30,800 Report reported that the Suns are waving Chris Paul. He had a fifteen point 35 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,879 eight million dollars guarantee on his thirty point eight million dollars salary, so they're 36 00:02:34,879 --> 00:02:40,639 saving immediately fifteen million dollars off the top. The nuances of this, I 37 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,879 still have not seen. From what I've heard, he's not going back to 38 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,599 the Suns. That is like loosely sourced that he's not going back to the 39 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:52,479 Suns. However, we've yet to. Brian Wynnhorse of The Hoop Collective noted 40 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:54,879 that before this happened, by the way, it's like a couple of days 41 00:02:54,919 --> 00:03:00,360 ago, that the Suns could wave Chris Paul then bring him back at a 42 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:05,080 smaller number to give themselves more flexibility under the second luxury tax apron, which 43 00:03:05,719 --> 00:03:07,319 if you've listened to this podcast, you did this CBA FAQ like, go 44 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,479 back and listen to that. It's a disaster. I can't believe the players 45 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:14,479 agree to that. Neither you're nor there that they cannot do that, though 46 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,960 if they stretch him, which you would stretch him and wave wave that fifteen 47 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,000 million dollars over three years, that'd be five million dollars a season. You 48 00:03:22,039 --> 00:03:24,879 don't You could technically get to cap space if you dumped DeAndre in somewhere, 49 00:03:24,879 --> 00:03:29,719 But you do that if you have something bigger up your sleeve. And the 50 00:03:29,759 --> 00:03:32,240 fact that it seems like CP three isn't going back to Phoenix. If all 51 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:37,360 as they do is just eat his fifteen like point eight million dollars thing, 52 00:03:37,479 --> 00:03:39,960 I don't know. Yeah, you have some extra wiggle room to access the 53 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:45,319 mid level exception, but it doesn't really portend this massive move. It gives 54 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,560 you some more trade flexibility with money that you can take back. What are 55 00:03:47,639 --> 00:03:53,400 just your were you won surprised by this? And two do you think It's 56 00:03:53,439 --> 00:03:57,400 like I can't even ask you if you think it's the right move. It's 57 00:03:57,439 --> 00:04:00,879 just you only make this decision if you have something much bigger in mind. 58 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:06,560 Correct, you would think Dan. And again I'm not so sure exactly like 59 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:11,560 what is going on with this entire Chris Paul thing. But the way that 60 00:04:11,599 --> 00:04:14,919 I view this is from Phoenix is you either think that you have to make 61 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,240 some sort of a move or a change now to a piece of guys in 62 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:21,519 the locker room, or that it just was come to the best decision here 63 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,639 was for both sides to part. And to me, that's where this comes 64 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,759 from. It's less about I shouldn't say it's less about. It is important 65 00:04:29,759 --> 00:04:31,759 the on court stuff, but a lot of times these decisions are made just 66 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,759 because of maybe some of the off court things. Both sides agree that it's 67 00:04:34,759 --> 00:04:39,240 just time to kind of move on. That this may not just be driven 68 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,439 by the Phoenix suns here, that there may be an element of Chris Paul 69 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,759 wanting to find a new location as well. And you pointed me to this 70 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,680 in the chat. Thank you that Scham tweeted the Sons and Chris Paul exploring 71 00:04:49,759 --> 00:04:54,759 multiple options which include a trade, stretching his contract, or waving and resigning 72 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,319 him in free agency. So don't ever trust me with my source information and 73 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,920 saying that Chris Paul's gone, I will say, it's weird that that's coming 74 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,839 out now. And Haynes did have in his follow up tweet that Chris Paul 75 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,439 wants to play several more years and looks forward to playing for a contender. 76 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:14,160 I guess that infers Phoenix is part of the equation. But wild stuff, 77 00:05:14,199 --> 00:05:17,120 I'm with you on everything you said. If he's going back, it still 78 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,600 probably means the Sons have some other things up their sleeves. It's just not 79 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:24,839 as big. And I actually think I would have bet before, like the 80 00:05:24,879 --> 00:05:27,920 follow up tweet and before I heard what I had heard, that he would 81 00:05:27,959 --> 00:05:30,639 go back, and that's what they were doing, because it just doesn't I 82 00:05:30,639 --> 00:05:33,879 don't know what else they could actually do, but I would say very quickly 83 00:05:33,959 --> 00:05:38,000 if he had to go somewhere. I think the teams that are probably gonna 84 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,360 be mentioned most, and I think I'd support all of them. The Clippers, 85 00:05:41,519 --> 00:05:43,839 who can only give him the minimum, though he's getting he would technically 86 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,120 be getting paid fifteen point eight million dollars already. The Lakers, who could 87 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,040 give him part of the mid level exception or all of it if they wanted. 88 00:05:49,079 --> 00:05:54,680 To the Celtics, I think he makes some sense for like they need 89 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:58,480 a primary offensive organizer, and I think he would help with a lot of 90 00:05:58,519 --> 00:06:02,000 their like when things slow down and they get too easily nudged out of their 91 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,480 process and they commit all these turnovers and they they're not taking the right shots. 92 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,079 He would help with that I think he would help. And my favorite 93 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,480 destination, which I don't I don't think would be feasible, but it makes 94 00:06:12,519 --> 00:06:15,639 so much sense Milwaukee. They would only be able to off from the minimum 95 00:06:15,639 --> 00:06:18,839 of both Chris Middleton and brooklovers were coming back. I would love to see 96 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:25,279 it. Imagine a closing lineup of Drew CP three, Rolo Middleton and Janis. 97 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,360 Yikes. That's that's where I'm at. So we'll have I'll have more 98 00:06:30,439 --> 00:06:33,000 on this, maybe when something actually happens. But yeah, CP three was 99 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,720 waived, but he might still be a member of the Phoenix Suns. It's 100 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:40,199 all very awkward and weird. At the moment. We have no idea what 101 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,959 to make of any of that. Damn. We do know though, that 102 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:47,319 the NBA Draft is coming up on June twenty second, which again wild time 103 00:06:47,319 --> 00:06:51,680 of year for coach Spins. Over here, I will be working in Thank 104 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,759 you everyone in our discord for questions. I'll be doing something different and working 105 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,160 them in as we go for the most part, just to try and avoid 106 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,480 like repetition later on, and just for a nice change of pace. So 107 00:07:00,519 --> 00:07:03,959 our first question comes from unbiased Pistons fan. Is also a question that I 108 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:10,240 ask you every single year, what is your draft philosophy on drafting for fit 109 00:07:10,439 --> 00:07:15,360 versus drafting for best player available? Yeah, I think it's an important question 110 00:07:15,399 --> 00:07:18,240 for all scouts to be able to nail down their philosophy on this. I 111 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:23,920 kind of think it depends on two things. The first is where you're drafting, 112 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:29,040 and the second is what your team situation is. So the higher in 113 00:07:29,079 --> 00:07:31,319 the draft you are, the more you have that's take best player available. 114 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,199 As you get down towards the end of the lottery in the middle part of 115 00:07:34,199 --> 00:07:38,879 the first round, fit factors in a little more, and then end of 116 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,279 the first round, second round, like it's just guys who you think fit 117 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,800 your organization and or it's the right time to take an upside swing. And 118 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:47,399 that goes a little bit more to the second point. If you got to 119 00:07:47,439 --> 00:07:51,519 know where you're at with your team, if you have the foundational pieces to 120 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:57,199 your team already in place, you probably need to start thinking about fit a 121 00:07:57,199 --> 00:08:00,879 little bit more in that conversation instead of just adding more hooks into the kitchen. 122 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,839 So it's a fancy way of saying it depends, but I think those 123 00:08:05,839 --> 00:08:09,879 are the things that it most clearly depends on. There are some teams that 124 00:08:09,639 --> 00:08:13,800 you might have a higher stomach for taking that upside pick and not going with 125 00:08:13,959 --> 00:08:18,000 best player available just because they have such a good roster right now, we've 126 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,839 seen that with Golden State the last couple of years in their draft philosophy, 127 00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:26,079 they have taken best player available overfit. Is that wrong? I don't necessarily 128 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:31,240 know, but I do think it depends on both your team situation and where 129 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:37,240 you're drafting. Is there like a ballpark number in the draft where it's okay, 130 00:08:37,279 --> 00:08:41,679 now you kind of can deviate from best player available and prioritizeas like number 131 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,840 eight and beyond after the lottery whatever. Yeah, I think it's gonna change 132 00:08:45,879 --> 00:08:48,759 slightly based on each draft, depends on how many really high upside guys there 133 00:08:48,799 --> 00:08:52,360 are in each class. Like I think as you get to the end part 134 00:08:52,399 --> 00:08:54,679 of the lottery, you're starting to think more about fit and about like the 135 00:08:54,759 --> 00:09:00,799 highest available role players, and then you know there's a common theory out there. 136 00:09:00,879 --> 00:09:03,919 John hollings or over the Athletics started this about twenty to twenty three guys 137 00:09:03,919 --> 00:09:07,559 in each draft class end up making it so when you get to the later 138 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,799 part of the first round, like it's an either or it's you can really 139 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:16,279 make the highest upside swing and just go for that type of guy, or 140 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,720 you can see if you hit on a role player that might have a higher 141 00:09:20,039 --> 00:09:28,399 propensity to help you right away. I prefer always going I would I When 142 00:09:28,399 --> 00:09:30,840 I'm looking at contenders and they're drafting, I'm always saying they should go for 143 00:09:30,879 --> 00:09:33,360 fit. But if I was running a front office, I would always go 144 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:37,240 best player available. And if I was drafting past a certain range or tier 145 00:09:37,279 --> 00:09:39,600 in that draft class, I would just be taking the most mind melting swings 146 00:09:39,799 --> 00:09:43,159 that you could imagine. Is I think it's how which probably why I don't 147 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,000 run in front office, but that would be how I would personally look at 148 00:09:46,039 --> 00:09:48,480 it. Yeah, there are some teams who you know, when they draft 149 00:09:48,519 --> 00:09:50,480 is, particularly in the early part of the second round, like they just 150 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,879 go after those high volume swings guys, like if one of the ten hits, 151 00:09:54,960 --> 00:10:00,360 it ends up being a huge star turn and a great return for they've 152 00:10:00,639 --> 00:10:03,919 put in equity wise, So there are teams that do that. It's not 153 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:09,759 wild. What is one thing either about covering the draft or about this specific 154 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,600 draft class that you wish dipshit podcast hosts like myself would ask you about but 155 00:10:13,759 --> 00:10:20,639 never do, though you are not a dipshit Daniel. I don't know if 156 00:10:20,919 --> 00:10:22,799 there is one question that I wish I got a little bit more, Like, 157 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:28,759 I think the draft audience in general is a pretty well educated one. 158 00:10:28,799 --> 00:10:33,360 They think philosophically. They have conversations about things like best player available or fit 159 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:37,480 for teams. Those are really good starting points. Maybe if there was one 160 00:10:37,519 --> 00:10:43,120 thing that I wish got asked more was trying to normalize including high school context 161 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,639 in the conversation, particularly with a lot of these one and done players that 162 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,720 people just look at their last stop, that one year when they're in college 163 00:10:50,799 --> 00:10:54,360 or wherever they were before the draft and say, well, this is the 164 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,879 player that he is neatly in a box. If he can't do things that 165 00:10:58,919 --> 00:11:01,080 we've seen during this year, than he never did them before, and it's 166 00:11:01,279 --> 00:11:05,320 very much not the case. So I just wish there was probably a little 167 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:09,960 bit more acknowledgement that there's stuff beyond college that needs to be analyzed. I 168 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:16,480 don't know that I could ever evaluate high school prospects because I feel like when 169 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,639 you see people talking about like freshman or so, it just feels a little 170 00:11:18,639 --> 00:11:22,799 cringey at that point where it's like, Oh, that person's fourteen or fifteen 171 00:11:22,879 --> 00:11:26,360 years old, And I don't know how to how you criticize from afar like 172 00:11:26,399 --> 00:11:30,679 a thirty's like a fourteen or fifteen year old. But that's a great point, 173 00:11:30,799 --> 00:11:33,120 especially because and as you mentioned, and we're firmly into this, it's 174 00:11:33,159 --> 00:11:37,200 not like this is new, but the college sample is just so small now 175 00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:41,000 because of the one and done era, and so you're not having two three 176 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,320 four year college sample size for most of these guys. Why wouldn't you harken 177 00:11:43,399 --> 00:11:48,000 back to, you know, where they actually spent more of their time to 178 00:11:48,039 --> 00:11:50,519 this point, right right, no doubt about it. The other thing I 179 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,679 wanted to ask you about it and include this on the outline, but I 180 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,320 had heard you say it in well written and say it a few times. 181 00:11:56,799 --> 00:12:01,720 Questions about how to evaluate the spects that are coming out of Overtime Elite, 182 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:05,799 What has made that so challenging, or just what are your biggest concerns about 183 00:12:05,799 --> 00:12:09,960 how that's being run or even just your unknowns there. Yeah, I don't 184 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,559 think it's being run in an irresponsible way in any regard. I just think 185 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:18,600 that it's really tough to create a program that splits two different pathways. One 186 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:24,960 is preparing players for professional basketball and the other is providing them a training development 187 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:31,559 ground that prepares them for college. Those are two drastically different processes that players 188 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,879 have to go through about recruitment, about getting ready for the draft, things 189 00:12:33,919 --> 00:12:39,519 like that, And it's hard to square the talent level in some regard. 190 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,120 You know that these are really highly talented young kids. In almost every game 191 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,519 is like an all star game, so you're not going to necessarily see the 192 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:52,360 type of dominance that you would. But if you know anything about high school 193 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,120 basketball, it's a shooting is at a premium, even more than it is 194 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:58,480 in college, even more than it is in the NBA. So these games 195 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,039 are not very well spaced on the offensive or defensive ends the floor. There's 196 00:13:01,039 --> 00:13:05,600 just aren't enough shooters that are out there, particularly when OT is going out 197 00:13:05,639 --> 00:13:07,679 and getting a lot of just good athletes that they can work with. So 198 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:11,720 I just don't know what to trust in the product. And what we're seeing 199 00:13:11,879 --> 00:13:16,600 is it just these Thompson twins and the guys at the top of this draft 200 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:20,600 class are so dominant next to their competition, and they're all talented high school 201 00:13:20,639 --> 00:13:24,519 kids that are going to be pros someday anyway, like we should really value 202 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,679 that or are they playing down to the level a little bit? That is, 203 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,559 it is not even something I gave consideration to until I saw that you 204 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,879 or heard you say that, and I think it's it's fair to actually look 205 00:13:35,879 --> 00:13:39,360 at it that way. I am going to I feel stupid asking you about 206 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:43,720 Victor webban Yama, just because I feel like he's been talked about to death 207 00:13:43,919 --> 00:13:46,559 and we know where he's going. But it's also like we can't marginalize Spurs 208 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:52,360 fans. And he's also he's really fun. He's probably not that I've He's 209 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,480 probably the prospect that I've watched the least over the past, you know, 210 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,960 like few weeks I've tried to draft prep because I'm just I've seen the highlights, 211 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,799 I've seen what people and written about him. Just resign this guy is 212 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,000 going to be incredible. But what are you do you have any just general 213 00:14:05,519 --> 00:14:09,759 thoughts or impressions about this this level of transcendence that he's going to bring to 214 00:14:09,799 --> 00:14:13,639 the game. He's a fucking freak, Dan, Like, this guy is 215 00:14:13,759 --> 00:14:18,600 insane as a basketball player, seven foot four within nearly eight foot wingspan. 216 00:14:18,919 --> 00:14:22,240 He changes the geometry of the court when he's on it on both ends. 217 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,879 You know, he's such a massive lob threat that anytime he rolls near the 218 00:14:26,879 --> 00:14:31,480 basket without the basketball, you have to collapse on him even before he catches 219 00:14:31,519 --> 00:14:35,759 it, and it just changes the type of plays that are available for his 220 00:14:35,799 --> 00:14:39,440 team. On offense, he's unguardable in turnaround jump shots or pull up jumpers 221 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:45,519 because how can you contest a shot that's released as high as his Defensively, 222 00:14:45,559 --> 00:14:48,799 with his rim protection skills, how he guards on the perimeter and can move 223 00:14:48,799 --> 00:14:52,720 his hips, he prevents people from wanting to take layups or even pull up 224 00:14:52,799 --> 00:14:58,440 jumpers anywhere near him. I've never seen anything like it before. He's a 225 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,440 freak. The best comparison point, and I hope that they show this on 226 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:07,320 ESPN on Draft Day when they have those god awful player comparisons. They should 227 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,080 put like the mon Stars from Space Jam up there, because that's the closest 228 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:15,840 thing I've ever seen on film to what Victor wemen Yama is on a basketball 229 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:20,799 court. Is there, let's start. Here's what's the thing he does now 230 00:15:22,039 --> 00:15:26,159 that you think is going to translate the most as a rookie for him? 231 00:15:26,399 --> 00:15:30,679 Rim protection, his ground coverage and just ability to block and altar shots near 232 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:35,159 the basket. He's not a guy that's going to be in trouble because of 233 00:15:35,159 --> 00:15:39,240 the defensive three seconds calls, Like he can cover ground and stay outside the 234 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,399 lane and then get to the basket the other side of the room wherever he 235 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:46,799 needs really quickly. And what is the what thing do you think he's gonna 236 00:15:46,799 --> 00:15:50,639 need to work on the most or that he'll struggle with the most moving to 237 00:15:50,679 --> 00:15:54,000 the next level. So for me, there's just something that comes with being 238 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:58,320 his size that you have to kind of compensate for. Right there's no way 239 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:02,360 to avoid the weaknesses. Are the challenges that come with Pink seven foot four. 240 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,000 One of them is that he has a really high dribble. He just 241 00:16:04,039 --> 00:16:07,519 can't get lower to the ground. It's not physically possible for him. He 242 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,960 hurt his back if he tried to. Probably, yeah, he would just 243 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,480 collapse like a house of cards, Like he's not built to be able to 244 00:16:14,519 --> 00:16:18,159 do something like that. So they're going to be challenges with how early he 245 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:19,919 needs to make passing reads. As a result of that, he's not going 246 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,919 to be a much quicker twitch ball handler like he can tighten something, But 247 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:29,159 that's not what the recipe is for him. It's making faster decisions because there's 248 00:16:29,159 --> 00:16:32,919 so much time that goes between one dribble and the next, Like there are 249 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,279 smaller things that he needs to clean up in that regard. But don't buy 250 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,799 into the hole just throw a bunch of weight on his frame argument And he's 251 00:16:38,799 --> 00:16:45,200 too skinny, Like his body has been carefully crafted and developed to avoid injury. 252 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,360 Just throwing a bunch of weight on his frame could throw that out of 253 00:16:48,399 --> 00:16:52,919 balance. I feel that was covered in at least one of those ESPN profiles 254 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,399 that they did on him, and it seems really smart, like they're making 255 00:16:55,399 --> 00:16:57,080 sure he gets like I don't know, twenty five hours to sleep a day 256 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:02,759 or whatever it is, and to frame it as it's not about having him 257 00:17:02,759 --> 00:17:04,200 put on this on all this weight, which is going to put more strain 258 00:17:04,279 --> 00:17:07,119 on him and then change the dynamics of how he plays. But it's just 259 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:11,240 about making sure that he properly grows in to his body and is healthy and 260 00:17:11,279 --> 00:17:17,000 you can get stronger without having to get like absolutely massive. And do you 261 00:17:17,039 --> 00:17:19,839 buy into any of the concerns though people have about his frame or am I 262 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,200 just I can't do it, and I don't know if I'm just hardened to, 263 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:25,839 Like, all right, Kevin Durant exists, and he's been pretty good 264 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,400 for a long time. Why do we need to do this. Yeah, 265 00:17:29,559 --> 00:17:32,599 I'm not too concerned about it at all. I don't lend much credence to 266 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,960 it. And I think it's also unfair. And that's not to call out 267 00:17:36,039 --> 00:17:38,440 some casual fans or necessarily individuals who are out there. This is more of 268 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:42,680 a blanket statement. Like it feels like a lot of the conversation around this 269 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,319 is almost rooting for him to get injured to play the I Told you So 270 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,640 game, and I can't stand that. Like, I don't think you root 271 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:53,160 for anybody to get injured. It's not something you can always predict la. 272 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:57,559 There's a higher predictability with guys who are closer to his frame, but it's 273 00:17:57,599 --> 00:18:02,680 not something you really can rely predicts. So I'm just not there on that 274 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,720 conversation. We have a question from Muckle in the discord that I actually thought 275 00:18:06,759 --> 00:18:10,480 was fascinating and I paraphrased it because it was like two hundred words long and 276 00:18:10,519 --> 00:18:12,839 it was very thorough. I appreciate it, but Muckle says the KASR and 277 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:17,039 into problems building around Lebron the first time around when he was so good, 278 00:18:17,039 --> 00:18:19,720 so fast. The MAVs are running into the same issue with Luca and have 279 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,440 run into before now with the same issue with Luca. Is there a chance 280 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:29,759 women Yama is so good it accelerates the Spurs' timeline and potentially complicates their future. 281 00:18:30,079 --> 00:18:33,759 Or do we just trust them to take the longer view relative to those 282 00:18:33,759 --> 00:18:37,880 other high profile situations. And a brief shout out to Glad in our discord, 283 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,240 I'm not reading your response because that was, like I read it, 284 00:18:41,279 --> 00:18:41,960 I'm not going to read it that loud. It was like five hundred and 285 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,920 seven hundred fifty words, very well thought out. But I'm just curious where 286 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,440 you land on the thoughts from muckle spins. Yeah, it's an interesting question. 287 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,519 I don't know if I necessarily agree. Like I think that there were 288 00:18:53,559 --> 00:19:00,599 individual missteps at both situations for Cleveland and for Dallas. In those Alice hasn't 289 00:19:00,599 --> 00:19:03,559 handled it well. That's right, Yeah, exact exactly. So, Like 290 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:08,039 it's hard for me to say that it's a philosophical issue more than it is 291 00:19:08,079 --> 00:19:12,960 just an execution one. I think the only difference philosophically that I would find 292 00:19:14,039 --> 00:19:17,559 that actually gives me a lot of hope for the Spurs is that they already 293 00:19:17,559 --> 00:19:21,440 seem to have the young blueprints of the roster in place and already on it 294 00:19:21,519 --> 00:19:25,599 with guys like Kelvin Johnson and Devin Vassell and uh, you know, I 295 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,799 like Jeremy Soahan quite a bit as a fit next to Victor Women and Devin 296 00:19:27,839 --> 00:19:30,839 Vassell are like two of my favorite young players in the league. So good. 297 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,359 Yeah. So I think because San Antonio already has those pieces on the 298 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:38,960 table, that's different than what you know, Luca was walking into in Dallas 299 00:19:40,079 --> 00:19:44,400 or what Lebron was getting drafted into in Cleveland. Slight differences, I don't 300 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,000 I don't really know how much to say other than that I where I land 301 00:19:48,039 --> 00:19:52,240 on this For anyone who cares, I would trust the Spurs more than those 302 00:19:52,279 --> 00:19:56,200 other organizations, just given specifically relative to Dallas, which has always sort of 303 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,599 tried to find those insta fixes or remain elevant and free agent, the Spurs 304 00:20:00,599 --> 00:20:04,640 have very much with you know, the quiet trade stuff aside that was very 305 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,599 weird, like they've always tried to build gradually, at least over the past 306 00:20:08,599 --> 00:20:12,880 three decades or whatever, And so I would trust that they're more equipped, 307 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:17,720 especially with the asset base and youth base they already have in place, to 308 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,880 navigate this gradually and effectively. But what I will say, which just is 309 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,559 a big question mark. Forget about how flexible their cap situation is, forget 310 00:20:25,559 --> 00:20:27,920 about their assets, forget about all the promising young players. I just wonder 311 00:20:29,039 --> 00:20:33,599 if, similar to how Lebron brought a pressure to Cleveland unlike anything they've ever 312 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:38,359 seen before, and how Luca did the same to Dallas, will Wemby do 313 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,640 the same to San Antonio where it's not something because he's so good so quickly 314 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:47,079 that they don't necessarily like it was different when Tim Duncan had his assent, 315 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,079 like it was just it was a different time. And so I'm just wondering 316 00:20:49,559 --> 00:20:53,480 if there could be a curveball thrown in there. I default to know because 317 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,079 I trust the Spurs, and I do think teams in general lose sight of 318 00:20:56,119 --> 00:21:00,880 the fact. Because of how restricted free agency works, you have at minimum, 319 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,400 at minimum a seven year timeline. With these guys, it's normally seven 320 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,720 to nine. But unless you're going to acquiesce to a trade demand, you 321 00:21:07,799 --> 00:21:11,720 have seven to nine years to figure this out, and so they should be 322 00:21:11,759 --> 00:21:14,920 fine. But I'm just I'm so excited to see him play next season. 323 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,000 And the NBA did a good job at like making sure the fans were exposed 324 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,400 to him this year, like I still didn't see a ton of him. 325 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,279 I just can't wait to see him next season. I'm hoping I want them 326 00:21:22,319 --> 00:21:26,000 to take care of his body. I want them to bring them along as 327 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:30,079 effectively as possible. But I am hoping that they just let her rip with 328 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,119 him where it's like he's just given like agency over the offense and we get 329 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:40,279 the full like Victor Wembanyama experience, we very very well might Dan because he's 330 00:21:40,279 --> 00:21:44,319 pretty damn good at basketball and what he's been able to do just as a 331 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,640 number one option for that Metropolitans team, It's been amazing to watch this year. 332 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:53,039 His growth, he says, a number one option on offense is really 333 00:21:53,079 --> 00:21:57,720 really rapid. I do know where you land on this, but for our 334 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:02,720 listeners that may not. Where do you land on the Scoot Henderson versus Brandon 335 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,240 Miller debate? And there is there a determining factor that swings it for you? 336 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,799 Or are they just not even in the same necessarily tier for you. 337 00:22:10,599 --> 00:22:12,839 I think they are in a little bit separate of a tier, but it 338 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:18,759 is something identifiable that separates them from me. I am a Scoot Henderson guy. 339 00:22:18,839 --> 00:22:21,559 I've had him number two this entire draft cycle, and a lot of 340 00:22:21,559 --> 00:22:23,759 it comes down to the context. What he's been able to do as a 341 00:22:23,759 --> 00:22:30,279 two year teenager playing against professionals in the G League. Ignite that level of 342 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,839 volume, production and efficiency from a teenager in a professional league. It's only 343 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,920 been done by guys who translate into being the best of the best at the 344 00:22:38,039 --> 00:22:42,359 NBA. That's the Luca Dontages of the world. So I am all in 345 00:22:42,599 --> 00:22:45,480 on Scoot Henderson. I think he's going to be an absolute star. But 346 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,000 beyond the on court stuff, he has the intangibles. He has those It 347 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:56,599 factors the ability to take over a game and make the right decisions, competitive 348 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,400 spirit, a desire to lead a locker room. He's just the guy that 349 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,960 I would want to end the Keys to the franchise too, more so than 350 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,759 Brandon Miller. It's not disrespect to Miller's game necessarily. I think there are 351 00:23:06,759 --> 00:23:08,839 a couple more questions about his game that I have than Scoots in terms of 352 00:23:08,839 --> 00:23:14,519 translatability and success. But it's all the off court stuff that just leads me 353 00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:18,160 to believe Scoot his head and shoulders above anybody else is there? Would you 354 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,960 have any concern We already said that if you're running these teams this high, 355 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:26,599 you go best player available. But are there any concerns about how Scoot might 356 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,359 Let's use the Charlotte Hornets as an example, like, is there any concern 357 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,759 about how he might fit with LaMelo Ball? Because he is such that it 358 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,640 guy and lamel Ball is probably a bad example because knowing what I know about 359 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,279 Scoot and then knowing extensively about LaMelo Ball, I have zero concerns about it. 360 00:23:40,319 --> 00:23:41,279 I'm just like, do it. If I'm Charlotte, It's probably what 361 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,160 I think is what I would maybe do. But do you have, like, 362 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,240 any concerns about how he might fit alongside let's say a co alpha or 363 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:53,440 however you want to frame it. I think Scoot has these the unselfishness to 364 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,480 be able to make that work, and he showed it a year ago playing 365 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,160 for the G League Night his first season down there, sharing reps with Dyson 366 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,640 Daniels and Jaden Hardy and trying to put everybody in a position to succeed where 367 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,720 he was playing, not to his optimal usage. He showed that optimal usage 368 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,799 this year, and I still think that's the best way to utilize Scoot. 369 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:17,599 But to me, this is more about LaMelo Ball's ability to accept Scoot Henderson 370 00:24:17,599 --> 00:24:19,160 into the fold than it is Scoots to be able to play with LaMelo. 371 00:24:21,559 --> 00:24:23,880 Scoot is going to come in and demand that number one kind of spot, 372 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:29,519 just in terms of a personality type of thing. And if LaMelo still wants 373 00:24:29,559 --> 00:24:33,160 the ball and shots and the role where he's got the ball in his hands 374 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,400 every single time, I think there could be some challenges. So once we 375 00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:41,359 move the draft technically, I guess the draft it starts at too because who 376 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,039 are you going to take? But there's a consensus top three pretty firmly. 377 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:51,680 Who is who is your fourth guy? I like a Men Thompson a lot. 378 00:24:52,319 --> 00:24:56,519 From the Overtime League program. We've talked about best player available quite a 379 00:24:56,519 --> 00:25:00,039 few times here on the podcast, and I think what you draft for is 380 00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:03,960 not just the guy who is currently the best player available, but who has 381 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:07,880 the highest ceiling to turn into one. And I think undoubtedly Amen Thompson has 382 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,640 the highest ceiling to turn into a guy in this league, transcendent athlete, 383 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:18,519 unbelievable first step from a standstill, great finisher above the rim. He combines 384 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:23,079 that burst with the ability to make the right and perfect decision when he gets 385 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:27,000 to the basket. He's an automatic paint touch who exploits defenses that collapse on 386 00:25:27,079 --> 00:25:30,240 him. If they don't collapse too much, he scores and finishes if they 387 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,440 do too much. He's an unbelievable passer with a six nine six ten wingspan 388 00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:38,279 to throw darts above the level of the defense. The concern with him, 389 00:25:38,279 --> 00:25:41,440 men is his jump shot. He is a jump shot away and a consistent 390 00:25:41,519 --> 00:25:48,680 jump shot away from being just such an impactful, unbelievable force on offense, 391 00:25:49,079 --> 00:25:52,559 not to mention the athletic defensive tools that he has, like he's far and 392 00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:56,680 away my number four right now. We did have a question from Kazak Raccoon, 393 00:25:56,799 --> 00:26:00,119 which I weaved in here because I knew that you were going to have 394 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,319 me and Thompson number four. Cosmocraccoon says, my question is why is i'm 395 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,480 in considered such a consensus top four pick when he's a twenty year old guy 396 00:26:07,519 --> 00:26:11,319 with massive holes in his game who's coming out of league with extremely bad competition. 397 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,119 I get he's super athletic, but you put him in with more Black's, 398 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,319 tough situations and the more half court oriented college game on a team without 399 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,920 spacing would have absolutely exposed him and he would have tumbled down draft boards all 400 00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:26,200 year. Would you what is what is the rebuke to that? And when 401 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,400 you say a jump shot away? Are we talking like Ben Simmons is a 402 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,839 jump shot away or is he He's much closer to that. Yeah, he's 403 00:26:32,839 --> 00:26:36,200 a little closer than Ben, not by too much. It's it's still a 404 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,240 pretty broken jump shot. But here's the thing I'd say to that question, 405 00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:45,079 the difference. And I think this is where the draft community that has a 406 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,440 men Thompson listed so high is kind of in agreement here. The difference is 407 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,680 in that high end outcome that these guys can continue to get to, like 408 00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:56,079 the ceiling, so to speak. For a Men Thompson is so much higher 409 00:26:56,079 --> 00:27:00,359 than some of the other guys that are mentioned, it's a questionable route. 410 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,839 And I think that there are a lot of teams general manager's decision makers who 411 00:27:03,839 --> 00:27:07,559 at the end of the day might be too hesitant to pull the trigger but 412 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,799 based on kind of the clips and the upside and what you're just watching on 413 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,000 film, that upside is so enormous with the men in ways that it just 414 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:21,640 isn't with other guys. This is one of my favorite as every year I 415 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:26,200 picked my favorite draft prospects. I most achieved intrigued by Anthony Black has caught 416 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,480 my attention in large part because of you. By the way, do you 417 00:27:30,519 --> 00:27:34,079 see his offensive utility translating immediately or will he struggle if he's not a better 418 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,599 shooter or just in general a better creator for himself. Yeah, I love 419 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,440 Anthony Black, another intangible's hero to me and a guy I've fallen in love. 420 00:27:42,519 --> 00:27:47,400 I think he's borderline basketball genius, one of the smartest passers that I've 421 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,000 seen, and he's a physical athlete, can get downhill and live at the 422 00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:55,559 lane. So when you combine paint touches with great passing and IQ, the 423 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,599 results tend to be pretty good. So I know the jumpshot is a worry. 424 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,839 I don't think it's going to be what determines whether he's impactful in the 425 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,960 NBA. I think it does determine what role he's in because his mechanics are 426 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,119 so set and stiff that it's a basically a catch and shoot jump shot where 427 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,839 he's very set, and that doesn't translate well to dribble pull ups a lot 428 00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:19,200 of the time, So it may push him to fewer pick and roll reps, 429 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,599 which I think is the optimal way for him to use his passing ability. 430 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,680 But he's going to be impactful regardless, and that's part of the reason 431 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,839 why I'm so high on him. Like every other box is checked and checks 432 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:36,960 so thoroughly, it's just hard to not see him being an impactful NBA player. 433 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,000 You what something that like set me and I go to you called him 434 00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:45,039 the best perimeter defender in this draft. What makes him? What makes him? 435 00:28:45,079 --> 00:28:49,640 That? He's six seven and really long. He loves to get up 436 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:55,160 into guys. He's super super smart and loves to pressure, quick hands and 437 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,000 does all those things above the three point line. But he's a pristine help 438 00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:03,720 defenders actually where to be and when to gamble. I think a lot of 439 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,920 times guys who have these natural athletic tools develop some poor habits at times by 440 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,519 just trying to gamble for steals too much and they get caught out of position. 441 00:29:12,119 --> 00:29:15,960 Black does not gamble very frequently. He wins when he does, and 442 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,960 he knows. He's just got an unbelievable feel to know when he's going to 443 00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:23,920 try to be exploited for something, and he locks those down really quickly. 444 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,920 And you mentioned the passing, and I know he's builled. Is this six 445 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:33,000 foot seven point guard. But given the shooting limitations or even you know, 446 00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:37,480 self creation limitations, is see somebody who is can be used as more of 447 00:29:37,519 --> 00:29:41,920 a screener and then you can utilize his playmaking in that regard off you know, 448 00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:44,480 can he do something anything off off the short roll or no? It 449 00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:48,440 very much has to be that playmaking is going to manifest best with the ball 450 00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:51,359 in his hands. Are exclusively with the ball in his hands? Even Yeah, 451 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,559 I think there is some short roll upside, But like I think of 452 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,640 him more like you think of a Josh Giddy, right, Like it's it's 453 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,480 a lot of face up creation. I think that's I'm not a big comparison 454 00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:04,599 guy. I think it's the devil's work. But if I had to compare, 455 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,359 Yeah, what's the best pro comp for Victor wembi Yama? Yeah, 456 00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:12,720 right, it's all it's all setting guys up for failure. But I think 457 00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:17,799 a Josh Giddy type of role is probably the right one for Anthony Black, 458 00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:21,480 where you hope the shooting continues to come along, but you just find ways 459 00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:23,319 to space the floor, put the ball in his hands and he's gonna make 460 00:30:23,359 --> 00:30:27,119 good decisions. We just need to get him with Fred Vinson or Chip England 461 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:33,079 and maybe everything will be solved. It would be great. I'm wondering if 462 00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:37,240 we can go through a couple of prospects and you can give me your what 463 00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:41,839 you think are the most underdiscussed talking points for each and I'm gonna I'm gonna 464 00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:45,359 apologize. I've tried. I practiced the pronunciation today. I tried it with 465 00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:49,880 you beforehand. Asare Thompson, is that even close after I've heard I've heard 466 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,519 too many variations. But what's the most underdiscussed talking point with him? At 467 00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:57,319 your opinion? So I have a large gap between the men and Asaur Thompson 468 00:30:57,559 --> 00:31:03,400 on my overall board, and I think that it might continue to grow between 469 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,079 now and Draft night. Most underdiscussed thing about us are He shot thirty six 470 00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:12,279 point seven percent overall in the half court this year. That's a really low 471 00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:17,400 rate when you're talking about a guy who is supposed to be a dominating athlete 472 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,680 at that level. I think that his just overall ability to put the ball 473 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,640 in the basket needs to be examined a lot more than it is right now. 474 00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:30,039 Same question for you about JAREDS Walker, Oh, Jarss, I love 475 00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:34,640 jareds He's another guy who's actually growing on me in this draft class. Rim 476 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:40,279 deterrence as a help defender. We don't talk about rim deterrence a lot for 477 00:31:40,319 --> 00:31:45,000 guys that aren't like seven eight and Rudy Gobert, but it's really important to 478 00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:49,599 be positionally sound on time and early to take away field goal attempts near the 479 00:31:49,599 --> 00:31:53,400 basket. That's an underrated part of what Jariss Walker brings to the table. 480 00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:56,880 Yes, he blocks a lot of shots. He's a pretty good help defender 481 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,519 with all of the highlights that you see, but he prevents other field goal 482 00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:04,720 attempts from even going up by rotating and knowing where to be on time. 483 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:10,039 Huge crush on him from a coaching standpoint. I really like his healthy what 484 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,480 about and he seems like he might be one of the more or if not 485 00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:20,119 the most controversial lottery prospect. Grady Dick, Yeah, Grady's a tough one 486 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,599 for a lot of people. For me, it's it's that he's known as 487 00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:27,160 a shooter. That's going to be his role. But for such a good 488 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,519 shooter, he can't really create his own when he's run off the line, 489 00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:32,960 particularly if he's going left, like he's got a wonderable pull up to his 490 00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:38,119 right. But the misses and the results that he gets when trying to come 491 00:32:38,119 --> 00:32:43,359 off of screens and he can't get a shot right away, they're not fantastic. 492 00:32:45,359 --> 00:32:49,039 I him. I watched a lot of him because we had a question 493 00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:52,720 on him in one of our mail bags the other day and there were a 494 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:58,000 lot of defensive concerns and you had called him. I think it was a 495 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,599 solid defender within a team construct, and I'm watching more closely. I definitely 496 00:33:00,599 --> 00:33:04,000 see how he can be exploited on the ball, But I feel like some 497 00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:07,599 people might be devaluing just how easy it could be to fit him within a 498 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,359 larger team dynamic. When you're kind of looking at his rotations, or if 499 00:33:10,359 --> 00:33:14,559 he's helping when he's two passes away, or like knowing how to make some 500 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,200 off ball place, it feels like this is someone who might not be as 501 00:33:17,319 --> 00:33:21,400 limited on that end of the floors. I feel like he's being painted across 502 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,359 a wide variety of you know, mocks or draft analysis. A very good 503 00:33:24,359 --> 00:33:29,160 call. I keep calling him a heavily targeted defender, not a poor defender. 504 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,799 Heavily targeted because a lot of teams are going to try to go at 505 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,440 him on ball. But he's fine rotationally, Like there are times when he 506 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,759 misses the rim, but he also blocks a decent amount of shots for a 507 00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:43,359 guy who's a six eight skinny shooter. He tries to rotate on time and 508 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,599 take charges. He doesn't execute it very well, but like he tries, 509 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:51,160 there's some instinct in there. I think that the defensive stuff gets picked apart 510 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,880 a lot. That's a pretty good call on your part to just kind of 511 00:33:52,920 --> 00:34:01,440 bring that up here. Case in protein Wallace case, and so the context 512 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,720 around the season at Kentucky is really important. He heard his back midway through 513 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,159 the year and the shooting kind of fell off of a cliff as a result. 514 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,880 He was over forty percent from three before that injury occurred, with a 515 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,039 two to one assist to turnover ratio. I love the toughness of how he 516 00:34:16,119 --> 00:34:21,079 decided to play through the season with that back injury, and it clearly hampered 517 00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:23,119 him in a lot of different ways. But I don't think we're talking about 518 00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:28,360 when healthy. What you get offensively with Cason Wallace. He's he's begged as 519 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,480 a defense first guy, but forty percent from three with a two to one 520 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:37,880 assist to turnover ratio, it's pretty special in the guard. He is like 521 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:42,480 a capslock defender too. And I know you've you've really trumpeted that in your 522 00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:45,000 analysis. Is that like he's gonna come up and that's just someone who's going 523 00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:50,760 to be a defensive force for you know, a wealth or the lion chair 524 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,039 of his career. I think so I keep calling Kayson Wallace He's Pat Beverly 525 00:34:54,159 --> 00:35:02,199 on defense, and who Pat Beverly thinks he is on offense? That's fantastic. 526 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,719 And the final one here, who I know, was shocking me a 527 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,280 little about that. I'm basically a blank canvas on this player, full disclosure, 528 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,480 Cam Whitmore. I know he's in a lot of like top fives or 529 00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:15,679 top top six, top sevens, but I'm like a blank canvas with him. 530 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,400 So what's the most underdiscussed talking point for him? That he dunked on 531 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,199 my team three times last year? Because I coached against him when he was 532 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:27,159 in high school. But the real, it's true story. Unfortunately, he's 533 00:35:27,199 --> 00:35:29,519 look if he can. So you're saying that he was able to get to 534 00:35:29,559 --> 00:35:32,519 the rim against the Spins coach team, which I would automatically vault him up 535 00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:36,800 my draft board for that. No, that was it was a pretty easy 536 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,280 thing on his part. If I had to find one area for Cam Whitmore, 537 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:45,360 that's just underdiscussed. It's like he's so young in his basketball journey. 538 00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:51,480 He's still eighteen years old. But the context around injuries he's dealt with with, 539 00:35:51,639 --> 00:35:54,000 you know, broken thumb this year, missed sometime with a sprained ankle 540 00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:58,559 that he suffered seven feet away from me his senior year in high school, 541 00:35:59,079 --> 00:36:04,320 and then COVID shortened seasons other injuries earlier in Hesley. He just hasn't gotten 542 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,440 a ton of playing reps yet. He's eighteen, with the basketball experience of 543 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,519 a sixteen year old, and he's about to head into the NBA and probably 544 00:36:10,559 --> 00:36:15,119 going to be able to produce something from day one. So the upside is 545 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:20,679 really through the roof. With Ken Whitmore, you could probably have guests since 546 00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:22,519 he didn't fall under this umbrella and I have a specific question about him, 547 00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:28,840 or questions that Taylor Hendrix is another one of my draft obsessions. That obsession 548 00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:34,679 intensified after the podcast you did with basketball, She wrote Kaitlyn Cooper on Jaris 549 00:36:34,679 --> 00:36:39,639 Walker and Taylor Hendrix. So, Taylor Hendrix, I love him. I 550 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,840 really want him to go to the Jazz for some reason. But does he 551 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,960 have any rise potential? I see him consistently mocked between seven and ten or 552 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,880 eight and ten or whatever, and a lot of people have talked about kind 553 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:57,679 of the lack of upside because of the ball handling, playmaking concerns. Does 554 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,639 that actually like prohibit him from being in higher end discussions or does he have 555 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:06,440 some not even draft board rise potential, but maybe even to frame it a 556 00:37:06,519 --> 00:37:09,400 shock and awe potential once he gets to the NBA with that stuff. I 557 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:15,039 think there's a little bit of draft night rise potential for him, just because 558 00:37:15,039 --> 00:37:20,079 I look at Orlando at six in Indiana at seven as teams that he would 559 00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:23,159 fit with so well philosophically for what they either typically draft for or what they 560 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:29,400 need right now. So it's more so a fit conversation. I know we 561 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,599 hate talking about fit. A little bit earlier on the boards, but he's 562 00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:37,239 a high enough upside type of guy that it's more about, Okay, which 563 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,199 high end prospect is going to be a better fit for what we're trying to 564 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,280 build on our organization. That's kind of what I mean with fit. Not 565 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,719 necessarily he doesn't have the same high ceiling. I think hendrick ceiling is super 566 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,559 super high. And that goes to the second part of your question, Dan, 567 00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:53,039 like there is some room for him to continue to pop. He did 568 00:37:53,199 --> 00:37:57,280 more with the ball in his hands at Central Florida that he gets credit for. 569 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,480 It didn't look very pretty, But with these college freshmen, in these 570 00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:07,400 late bloomers through that process, it's really hard to know. Are they doing 571 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:12,079 it because they're really comfortable with it and they're just going to be able to 572 00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:15,360 show more and more as they get better at it, or are they just 573 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,559 doing it because somebody's trying to allow them to show off all of the skills 574 00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:22,000 that they can and that's not going to be his NBA role. Like, 575 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:27,719 we still don't know the answer to that question. I would love or if 576 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,920 I was an opposing team, I wouldn't love this. But the idea of 577 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,400 him playing with Miles Turner is kind of terrifying. How do you do you 578 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,280 ever score on the rim against that team or like, what do you just 579 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,519 punted on rim pressure altogether at that point? Yeah, And that's a lot 580 00:38:40,559 --> 00:38:45,400 of length. It's a lot of length, and I did so. I 581 00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:47,920 just brought up too. I guess Sam Vassini and his latest monk had him 582 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,760 go six, which I think is the highest I've seen him. Has he 583 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,800 gone higher in any other spots that you've seen, not that I've seen. 584 00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:00,440 I think six with Orlando has been about the highest that I seen. And 585 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,840 he and I did a mock draft a couple of weeks ago where that's exactly 586 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:07,559 where he took him in our kind of back and forth mock draft version. 587 00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:09,719 It's totally off topic, but I feel like there's a chance he could be 588 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:14,239 wasted there. They just have like so many big bodied forwards and I guess 589 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,119 they could all play together, but at that point it's I would really especially 590 00:39:16,119 --> 00:39:20,719 you're adding another limited ball handler creator to the fold. It's like, right, 591 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,519 you guys really need to get like in a guard who is more elite 592 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,960 than Mark Elphaalts and who can space the floor better than Mark Elphalts in there 593 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,559 it's an interesting fit, but again it seems to be the type of player 594 00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:35,519 the organization has been drawn to in the best. Yah. Yeah, that's 595 00:39:35,639 --> 00:39:37,320 that's for damn sure. And I still I have faith that. I still 596 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,159 don't think he can be the Alpha creator, but I have not sold any 597 00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:43,519 of my jail and suck stock. It is still right there. Thought he 598 00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:47,159 had a strong second half of the year. We have this question from Peto, 599 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,719 which I thought was a really good one. Every year we see the 600 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,800 draft being influenced by how the playoffs developed, at least when you're looking at 601 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:58,760 the conversations, how is this year's draft affected by the current playoffs? I 602 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,639 think you look at the two teams consider in the NBA Finals right now, 603 00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:05,559 the Denver Nuggets in Miami Heat, and you have different roster construction lessons that 604 00:40:05,639 --> 00:40:08,079 you can take away from them. One of them for Denver is that you 605 00:40:08,119 --> 00:40:14,360 can still lean all the way into building the perfect roster construction around your one 606 00:40:14,599 --> 00:40:17,559 or two star players and make it far in the NBA if it's the right 607 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:23,440 version of that. The second lesson that comes from Miami is essentially that shooting 608 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:30,400 is king. The draft doesn't matter. All these guys are shooting is king 609 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,119 here, Dan, like, you need to find guys that space the floor 610 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,639 and provide the ability for your best players to get in the lane, who 611 00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:43,760 can knock down shots when they're created for them by kickouts from the lane, 612 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,599 or make the right decision on the catch to know whether to shoot it, 613 00:40:46,679 --> 00:40:52,719 pass it, repenetrate and then make the next play. And Miami has just 614 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:57,480 a ton of dudes who know how to make that right decision every single time. 615 00:40:57,639 --> 00:41:00,760 To me, that's something I've gained a lot is you look for players 616 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:05,119 who are always smart. Playing off ball. The thing I always come back 617 00:41:05,159 --> 00:41:07,400 to, and it has nothing to well as it always has something to do. 618 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:12,159 It's always pertonant is I think was Bob Myers made the comment that the 619 00:41:12,199 --> 00:41:15,800 same type of player who's valuable in the regular season it always isn't always valuable 620 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,840 in the playoffs. And so when you're approaching the draft or free agency or 621 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:23,320 team building, it's how can I most effectively acquire as many players who hold 622 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:28,280 up over the course of those sixteen wins that we need when it matters most. 623 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,559 And that's something that always comes back to me. Ever since he said 624 00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:36,039 that Bingo, it's one hundred percent right, and we've seen different archetypes of 625 00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:37,920 players get played off the floor. I'll just give you one example, like 626 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:44,559 Isaac Accorro Jared Vanderbilt from this year's playoffs. They're really impactful wing defenders and 627 00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:47,840 they're in the regular season. Their lack of shooting ultimately catches up to them 628 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:53,880 by the playoffs. Unbiased Pistons fan e Many Bates flash in the pan, 629 00:41:54,159 --> 00:41:58,519 who will only be remembered by his high school mixtape or an all star lurking 630 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,199 in the second round in joking, no one between. You must take or 631 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:05,679 claim and you will be held accountable. Oh I gotta pick one here. 632 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,480 Amani Bates is a difficult one. I think what goes under discussed in this 633 00:42:10,519 --> 00:42:16,920 conversation around him is just how many highly touted high school prospects end up not 634 00:42:17,039 --> 00:42:22,639 making it to the league or end up not getting drafted. It's a shockingly 635 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:27,719 high number that this is actually pretty common. It's not a super unique story 636 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,559 to a guy like Amanti. It's been more in the mainstream and in the 637 00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:34,760 media, so people are following it more. But guys who kind of fall 638 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,679 flat from the expectations they had early in their careers is not that uncommon. 639 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,679 I still get it and see the upside for a guy like Amani Bates, 640 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,599 but I don't see a lot of the tools that lead me to believe that 641 00:42:46,599 --> 00:42:51,000 he's going to overcome kind of the perception in the area that he's at right 642 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,800 now. He's got a lot of things that he would need to fix about 643 00:42:52,800 --> 00:43:00,440 his game. Kelsey asked, what are the knocks on Kobe Buffkin? Numbers 644 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,880 look good, he has decent size. Why isn't he cracking the top fifteen? 645 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,960 I will say not everyone knew or I don't think I even mentioned that 646 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,159 you were coming on, so maybe I should have. This was not directed 647 00:43:08,159 --> 00:43:12,719 at you, because I know I think he was fifteen. Wasn't Buffkin fifteen 648 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,400 on your latest big boards? So he is in your top fifteen? If 649 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,760 that makes Kelsey feel any better. Spence spends it all over Buffkin. Sam 650 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,519 Vassini and I both have him in our top fourteen. I think Vassini might 651 00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:27,760 have him at like nine, ten or eleven. I'll probably have him at 652 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:32,039 fourteen or fifteen come time to the draft. The knock on Buffkin right now 653 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:39,159 is that it's been a really quick ascent during the season from spot up role 654 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:44,480 player has some skills to running the offense and doing it at a fifty forty 655 00:43:44,559 --> 00:43:47,880 ninety level. It's a small sample size to trust that he's put it all 656 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:52,519 together, And I think what we're maybe seeing is just a little bit of 657 00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:55,639 hesitance to buy into that small of a sample size and moving a guy super 658 00:43:55,679 --> 00:44:00,800 far up our boards. I rely on you too much. I didn't even 659 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,639 know I've seen he had him. I just looked yet him going. I 660 00:44:02,639 --> 00:44:08,960 think eleven Buffkin in his latest mock that is high. So among players we 661 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:15,199 haven't talked about so far, did any of them materially impact their draft stock 662 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:21,159 at the combine? First in a good way? I think the guys who 663 00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:24,599 helped themselves the most of the combine this year were those who chose to play. 664 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:30,440 We had seventy seven invitees to the NBA Draft Combine this year, and 665 00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:35,599 only like forty four forty three of them ended up playing in scrimmages. There's 666 00:44:35,639 --> 00:44:39,239 an unbelievably low amount of participation in those games. So the real winners are 667 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:45,239 the ones who bet on themselves competing in won and those are Olivier Maxen's prosper 668 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:50,519 who went to Marquette and as a six seven, six eight like defensive minded 669 00:44:50,639 --> 00:44:53,320 long wing who started to turn into a really good getch shoot prospect, just 670 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:58,760 look athletically different on the floor and belongs in that first round. The other 671 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:04,079 one is Brandon pagems Sky six five combo guard with unbelievable touch and shooting ability 672 00:45:04,599 --> 00:45:08,000 out of Santa Clara. There are some athletic concerns for him, but time 673 00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:12,840 and time again he just pieces it together on offense and finds a way to 674 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,159 make so many different positive plays for his team. So those two guys really 675 00:45:16,159 --> 00:45:22,119 help themselves at the combine. Who if anyone hurt themselves at the combine? 676 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:27,199 You know, I don't know if anybody really hurt themselves at the combine. 677 00:45:27,199 --> 00:45:31,199 I think a lot of teams right now are somewhat frustrated with the Brandon Miller's 678 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:36,800 situation, particularly in you know, there's some legal allegations and things going on 679 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,800 surrounding him. He's involved in that process and can't really divulge information. So 680 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:45,079 teams that are drafting and you know, about to hand a multimillion dollar contract 681 00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:50,280 over to a young kid, they can't get the answers that they necessarily need 682 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,920 in order to feel comfortable overlooking some things and really drafting him and handing him 683 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:59,920 that contract. So I just think there's some frustration around everything that he's got 684 00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:04,320 through the last several months. That is, I can't and won't comment on 685 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,639 the legal allegations because those are serious. I hate the and there's at least 686 00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:10,400 a player higher in the draft every year. It feels like where there's this 687 00:46:12,199 --> 00:46:16,159 slander campaign about how poorly his interviews are, workouts go, and it just 688 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:22,679 feels like bullshit to me a lot of the time where there's this information out 689 00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,760 there because either as a team trying to impact his draft stock, or is 690 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:30,400 it just like like a team's mad that they didn't get access. I hate 691 00:46:30,559 --> 00:46:32,679 though we went through it. I think the most notable name recently was Anthony 692 00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:37,519 Edwards. Remember he like basketball and that bullshit, And so I'm just always 693 00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:43,840 inherently skeptical and annoyed when I again just the basketball stuff, not focusing on 694 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,400 whatever is happening off the court. I'm always annoyed when it's like these are 695 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:51,119 just still kids, Like it just frustrates the hell out of me too. 696 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:57,280 Damn this question, but I teared. It came from JT Alexander talking about 697 00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:02,360 draft sleepers. Who are you much higher on or most higher on relative to 698 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:08,000 the consensus? The right guy here is probably CD Sosoko. I mean, 699 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,679 there have been a lot of guys that I end up being higher on early 700 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,840 and then the consensus starts to climb a little bit closer to where I'm at 701 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,800 as we get, you know, two weeks out from the draft. Now, 702 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:21,079 CD Sosoko is probably the one guy there's still a pretty large gap to 703 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,519 where I have him and a lot of other mainstream analysts do. I've got 704 00:47:24,559 --> 00:47:29,840 a borderline lottery grade on him. Just love the competitive nature, how he 705 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:35,119 defends multiple positions. Built like a tank like this guy is thick and strong 706 00:47:35,159 --> 00:47:38,199 and uses every inch of his power to his advantage, competes on every possession 707 00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:42,840 on defense. And I am a sucker for guys who hit a late growth 708 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,679 spurt but grew up playing the point guard position, and that's what Sosoko is. 709 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:52,079 He ran the point over in Europe before coming to the G League nine 710 00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:54,840 team this year. I can really see him just being one of those high 711 00:47:54,920 --> 00:48:02,079 feel utility wings that makes a really positive impact on both ends. And who 712 00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:07,079 are you most lower on relative to consensus? Yeah? You know, I 713 00:48:07,079 --> 00:48:10,920 would have said Jet Howard. Again, this is starting to fall a little 714 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,679 bit closer to where I am in terms of the mainstream. I just never 715 00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:19,280 really was that high on the six eight shooter out of Michigan. I'm going 716 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,159 to go with I'm gonna go with the sare Thompson here because this is one 717 00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:27,760 that I'm just I'm really struggling to get in on. The lack of productivity 718 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,639 in the half court is important to me to be able to focus on. 719 00:48:31,199 --> 00:48:37,519 I don't buy the passing ability translating to like a consistent ball in my hands 720 00:48:37,559 --> 00:48:43,239 type of role, so he ends up being like a non shooting struggle to 721 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:49,159 score connective piece. I just don't think that I would value him as highly 722 00:48:49,199 --> 00:48:52,320 as some other people do. Right now, where do you land on? 723 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:57,159 Are you in the middle ground or are you higher or lower relatives everyone else 724 00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:01,239 on bright sensibip, I don't know where most people are at with Bryce, 725 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,920 to be honest, I see a lot of differing opinions on something like him, 726 00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,679 Like I think he's a lad in love with him. It's basically what 727 00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:14,440 I'm getting at. I know the defensive concerns. I just feel like he 728 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,599 has it offensively, and I think he might be you know, you're not 729 00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,440 drafting him to be your one A, and it almost feels like he might 730 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,679 be better equipped to be the guy who's playing off that guy anyway, and 731 00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:29,639 so could he wind up thriving more than people expect. And I understand the 732 00:49:29,679 --> 00:49:32,000 defensive concerns, but I kind of look, because you look at his size, 733 00:49:32,039 --> 00:49:36,039 I think the question would be canny hold up at actual wing spots. 734 00:49:36,599 --> 00:49:38,679 Yeah, And I feel like I don't have the answer to that, but 735 00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:44,159 I would absolutely take a gamble on him potentially being able to downline. He's 736 00:49:44,199 --> 00:49:47,159 a high upside pick, Dan, and this freshman one and done class is 737 00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:54,360 filled with these like high upside but really questionable in some regard scoring combos or 738 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,760 wings, and no one knows which of those players is going to hit, 739 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,280 and no one really knows who out of them are going to go first or 740 00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:06,599 who's gonna go last on draft night. It's just it's a really jumbled group 741 00:50:06,639 --> 00:50:10,679 of guys. I'm laughing right now or smiling because I saw that you provided 742 00:50:10,679 --> 00:50:14,880 a response to the document. My question to you was, are there any 743 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:19,280 prospects in particular that you struggled to evaluate or get a grip on leading into 744 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,119 this process, and you responded with, yeah, Dan, thanks, let's 745 00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:24,639 talk about who I suck out of evaluating. I didn't mean it like that. 746 00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:29,320 I'm just who's who's giving you the most pause or struggle when you're trying 747 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,199 to figure out how they scale to the pro game. Yeah, we know 748 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:36,519 you didn't mean it, Dan Wing Wing. We know that I'm a perennial 749 00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:40,159 doubter of your basketball knowledge. Yeah. I actually just wrote a piece about 750 00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:45,199 this kind of the guys that I'm struggling with most in this draft cycle and 751 00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,079 decided to ask this question, and you were offended by it anyway, but 752 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:52,639 please carry off there we get I think the Thompson Twins we talked about just 753 00:50:52,679 --> 00:50:57,239 the frustrations of the overtime elite program and knowing what to translate from that being 754 00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,039 a part of this. You know, we can talk about all those oft 755 00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:04,360 injured players in this draft cycle. That's always a challenge to get a grip 756 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,519 on guys who've missed a large part of the season due to injury. I 757 00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:13,639 think Jalen Hoodshafino is a sneaky, difficult one and he checks so many boxes 758 00:51:13,639 --> 00:51:17,840 that you look for in the modern NBA six six point guard. Really long 759 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,199 defends at the point of attack, unbelievable decision maker with the ball in his 760 00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:27,039 hands, really smooth pull up jumper. Just controls the pace of the game. 761 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,719 But he has two glaring inefficiencies on the offensive end. I think you 762 00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:35,039 can live with one of them. I don't know if he's going to be 763 00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:39,719 very impactful if both of them persist. And it's the ability to finish with 764 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:45,159 athleticism at the rim, very grounded player who had only one dunk in the 765 00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:49,119 half court this year, one dunk as a six six primary ball handler. 766 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,760 The other thing is he doesn't shoot the ball well as a pull up guy 767 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:57,760 from three, very mid range heavy, and you have to really commit to 768 00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,920 putting the ball in his hands if you're gonna let him play his play style, 769 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:06,599 because he's not a catch and shoot threat. There's just a lot of 770 00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,599 things that need to go right for Hoods Chaffino to get the role that allows 771 00:52:09,679 --> 00:52:13,719 him to be the best version of himself. That just gives me a lot 772 00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,079 of pause in the evaluation. I don't know how much role players scalability there 773 00:52:17,159 --> 00:52:23,639 is for him. I first want to applaud you because I'm allowed to ask 774 00:52:24,039 --> 00:52:29,639 that I can ask this question because the fact that you know so much about 775 00:52:29,639 --> 00:52:31,800 the NBA game, like not just the players, but like the team builds, 776 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:36,280 their aims, their front offices, just the transactions. I thoroughly appreciate 777 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,639 it, and so I did want to ask you when you're looking at the 778 00:52:38,679 --> 00:52:45,079 circumstances towards in the lottery, specifically Orlando two picks in the top eleven, 779 00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:49,280 A handful of teams in the top five might be looking to accelerate timelines Portland, 780 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,320 Houston, Detroit, the quality of teams that we have in the back 781 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,239 end where it's New Orleans and Toronto and Dallas, and then just the overarching 782 00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,800 party in the league where I think teams can just talk themselves into being a 783 00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:04,239 lot better and more relevant sooner than maybe a couple of years ago because of 784 00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:08,599 how compacted the standings were this season. Do you think there's more potential for 785 00:53:09,519 --> 00:53:14,159 trades in this year's lottery, even if they're not necessarily happening on Draft night? 786 00:53:14,199 --> 00:53:15,920 But it's all we look back and it was July, and you know 787 00:53:16,119 --> 00:53:21,079 the Blazes are traded whoever they drafted at number three. Yeah, I can 788 00:53:21,159 --> 00:53:24,559 see a little bit of movement in there. I understand that there are a 789 00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:30,039 few obvious points and teams in that lottery that could be looking to move based 790 00:53:30,039 --> 00:53:32,320 on either how things fall or the decisions they make with the direction of their 791 00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:37,400 organization. My gut keeps going back to we kind of hear this year after 792 00:53:37,519 --> 00:53:40,599 year that it's going to be a lot of movement in the draft. Teams 793 00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:45,880 are always looking to make this type of deal, and then everyone plays chicken 794 00:53:45,039 --> 00:53:47,880 and stays where they're at, takes the guys that they think are going to 795 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,559 fit their organization long term. I do think this is a pretty good draft 796 00:53:52,599 --> 00:53:55,400 class. I don't think it's a weak one. There's two absolute stars, 797 00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,519 but there's depth to be found throughout the rest of the lottery and parts of 798 00:53:59,559 --> 00:54:04,199 the first out. I also think that there's a lot of eyes on next 799 00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:08,920 year's draft by the league executives as being a potentially weak one or at least 800 00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:13,039 one that doesn't have a top tier star or two or three or four. 801 00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,360 And the result of that is a lot of times teams make those moves on 802 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:22,679 draft day in order to acquire some future assets in general, and I don't 803 00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:29,400 think the twenty twenty four draft is predictably strong enough to want to trade into 804 00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,679 a lottery pick in next year's draft right now, So it just takes away 805 00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:37,039 another one of the mechanisms that a team would utilize to slide up or down 806 00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:43,920 that board. Do you think if they move the draft to after free agency 807 00:54:44,639 --> 00:54:45,760 for the free agency before the reft of you want to frame it, that 808 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:50,760 that would be more conducive to draft movement on actual draft night or would it 809 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:54,480 be more prohibitive. I think it would be conducive to more, but it's 810 00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:59,880 probably not a good thing for the league long term because it kind of devalues 811 00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:04,480 the draft picks in some regard. I think that if you discard them away 812 00:55:04,519 --> 00:55:07,400 because you need to make different salary cap maneuvers in order to get this rumored 813 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:12,840 guy that's still available, it just ends up making these young guys and the 814 00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,480 value of draft picks kind of skyrocket down the board, and that's not a 815 00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:20,639 good thing for the NBA. They want to protect the draft as an entire 816 00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,280 entity, So I think it's probably good where it's at. I'm with you 817 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,280 there by the way, I don't think they should change I know a lot 818 00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:30,719 of people do. Our final question comes from the big fella looking back at 819 00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:34,400 the King's taking Keegan Murray over Jay n Ivey. I think you look at 820 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,119 that pick as a win and probably the right choice. How do you think 821 00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:43,760 the way that turned up will impact teams decisions this year, if at all? 822 00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,440 And what teams should maybe try to make more of a win now over 823 00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,800 potential with their pick. Yeah. I don't know if i'd call it a 824 00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,159 win now move, but I think what Keegan has done has shown the importance 825 00:55:53,199 --> 00:55:58,480 of adding the right high end role player like fourth or fifth starter to a 826 00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:02,119 team that's ready to burst. That's the value here. And if there's one 827 00:56:02,159 --> 00:56:07,079 that I would circle in this lottery area, really I'll go two teams that 828 00:56:07,079 --> 00:56:10,280 I would circle, it's Detroit at five in Indiana at seven. And that's 829 00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:15,239 continually why guys like Jaris Walker and Taylor Hendricks kind of show up here. 830 00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:21,159 Is the right role player who brings everything together really can help tie Kid Cunningham 831 00:56:21,199 --> 00:56:23,440 and Jade and Ivy in a half court offense with Jalen Durhan and the right 832 00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:30,159 big men in there together that the right four man in Indiana can allow Miles 833 00:56:30,159 --> 00:56:35,960 Turner, Tyrese Haliburton and the litany of floor spacing. They have to just 834 00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:42,800 let them become a playoff team sooner than later. So it's not it doesn't 835 00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,360 go back to the fit versus best player available conversation we had earlier, necessarily, 836 00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:51,639 but I do think that there is value in just going with a guy 837 00:56:51,679 --> 00:56:55,519 you know is going to help tie those pieces together. Before I ask you 838 00:56:55,559 --> 00:57:01,159 about how you know your lottery mock would shake out there any one anything in 839 00:57:01,199 --> 00:57:04,840 this draft, I didn't ask you about that. You think we should discuss, 840 00:57:06,159 --> 00:57:07,280 you know, we hit on a lot of the top prospects. I 841 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:12,679 think a couple other names to mention one. I'll go with one last one 842 00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:17,440 here, Balal Kolabali for Metropolitans, teammate of Victor Wemban. Yama's starting to 843 00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:22,320 skyrocket up draft boards in a lot of different ways, and that's based both 844 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:27,119 off of kind of different analysts seeing the upside in him now and putting him 845 00:57:27,119 --> 00:57:30,440 in the lottery grade, as well as the rumors that are out there that 846 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:37,039 he may have a lottery promise. Just an athletic freak eighteen year old from 847 00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:42,039 France. Really raw game right now shows so many flashes on the defensive end 848 00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:45,239 of the floor and is starting to get some on ball creation reps as a 849 00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:52,840 teenager playing in the French League playoffs. That's so rare, and people are 850 00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,800 trying to with only two weeks three weeks left to the draft, makes sense 851 00:57:55,840 --> 00:58:00,280 of what all that means. It's really challenging to do. But he's a 852 00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:04,559 name that is just starting to creep into that higher end conversation now. So 853 00:58:04,639 --> 00:58:07,800 you think there's a real chance, then, like there's validity to the reporting 854 00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,159 that he might have a lottery promise. I think there's from what I'm here 855 00:58:10,199 --> 00:58:15,360 and what I'm seeing, there's some real buzz around it that is pretty incredible 856 00:58:15,679 --> 00:58:20,599 because where was he being if we were to rewind two months ago, where 857 00:58:20,639 --> 00:58:23,119 was he mocked around or where was he on big boards? Yeah, I 858 00:58:23,159 --> 00:58:27,440 think he probably in a lot of places, would have been a late first 859 00:58:27,559 --> 00:58:30,840 round, high upside draft and stash investment, or a guy that just goes 860 00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:36,440 back to France next year in prepared to the twenty twenty four NBA Draft trying 861 00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:40,280 to be a top ten pick. Then okay, so I'm going to ask 862 00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:46,400 you a twenty twenty three NBA mock draft for just a lottery I'm just going 863 00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,360 to give you the team, and I just want to know who you would 864 00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,599 take. And so we're going to begin the biggest mystery of all. The 865 00:58:52,639 --> 00:58:55,800 San Antonio Spurs at number one. Oh boy, tough one for me, 866 00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:01,199 but the first overall pick. San Antonio's first select, Victor wemban Yama. 867 00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:07,320 The Hornets at number two. I'm going best player available in a guy I 868 00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:13,920 absolutely buy into. Scoot Henderson the Blazers at number three. I think Portland 869 00:59:14,079 --> 00:59:16,639 probably goes Brandon Miller here. That to me seems like the right fit. 870 00:59:17,519 --> 00:59:22,239 The Rockets at number four, Big Amen Thompson, guy who love the long 871 00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:27,519 term upside. I'd love to see him in Jalen Green together in Houston in 872 00:59:27,559 --> 00:59:32,159 that backhourt long term. The Detroit Pistons at number five. This is what 873 00:59:32,239 --> 00:59:36,840 we just talked about here, was is prioritizing the right guy to tie everything 874 00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:42,159 together. Jaris Walker from Houston goes to Detroit Pistons. Just a really solid 875 00:59:42,239 --> 00:59:45,480 team defender who has a lot more skilled than he was able to show in 876 00:59:45,519 --> 00:59:50,400 his one year in college on the offensive end. The Orlando Magic at number 877 00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:55,559 six, going high upsides. Swing Cam Whitmore from Villanova is just another athletic 878 00:59:55,639 --> 01:00:00,079 paint touch guy who you cannot keep out of lane, unbelievably untapped upside for 879 01:00:00,199 --> 01:00:05,159 him. I'd love to see in a couple of years what he Palaman Carroll 880 01:00:05,239 --> 01:00:09,480 and friends Wagner looked like together. The Indiana Pacers at number seven, your 881 01:00:09,559 --> 01:00:15,599 boy Taylor Hendrix's Yeah, it's the right fit for the team. Their length 882 01:00:15,639 --> 01:00:17,519 on the defensive end of the floor, still young enough in their team building 883 01:00:17,519 --> 01:00:22,039 trajectory that they can allow him to try to tap into different things offensively if 884 01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:28,239 they see that upside in him. The Wizards at number eight, I think 885 01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,400 a sar Thompson is going to be the guy that is most likely to go 886 01:00:31,599 --> 01:00:36,960 here, eight and nine here, and these are back to back picks with 887 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,360 Washington and the Utah on the clock. Like a Sara Thompson and Anthony Black. 888 01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:44,320 It's really a pick your poison there. I'm a big Anthony Black fan, 889 01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:51,000 but both of them are high processing lead guards so to speak, who 890 01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,679 make good plays with ball in their hands, don't shoot it really well right 891 01:00:52,719 --> 01:00:57,400 now, but could also be connective players with how they defend, like very 892 01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,719 similar kind of profiles. I just into Anthony Blacket hell of a lot more 893 01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:06,079 as an intangibles guy, So Anthony Black to the Jazz at number nine. 894 01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:09,079 Anthony Black to the Jazz at number nine. Congratulations to Utahn winning the NBA 895 01:01:09,199 --> 01:01:14,760 Draft. The Mavericks at number ten, Derek Lively, the big man out 896 01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:16,719 of Duke. I think it's still a little bit underrated how much of an 897 01:01:16,719 --> 01:01:22,960 impact he is having as a rim protector the final eight weeks of the basketball 898 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,679 season for him as a freshman. We're on par with the elite of the 899 01:01:25,679 --> 01:01:30,119 elite NBA rim protectors that they've turned into. Dallas needs help on defense. 900 01:01:30,199 --> 01:01:34,480 I think it's okay that he's not on the floor late games because he's kind 901 01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:39,880 of a rim bound center, but just a legitimate defensive anchor. The Orlando 902 01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:45,400 Magic at number eleven after daycin best player available earlier with Cam Whitmore. They 903 01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:50,559 need some shooting and floor spacing badly. Going with Grady Dick out of Kansas, 904 01:01:51,559 --> 01:01:55,840 Oksey Thunder at number twelve. Thunder liked to go with these high character, 905 01:01:57,039 --> 01:02:00,639 high work ethic, but positionally long and skilled with the ball in their 906 01:02:00,679 --> 01:02:06,480 hands players. Leonard Miller from the G League I Knight definitely fits that mold. 907 01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,679 He can help them be a unique front court partner for chet Homegren long 908 01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:15,719 term. He just strikes me as a thunder e guy. The Toronto Raptors 909 01:02:15,719 --> 01:02:20,360 at number thirteen, here's where I'll go, Bilal Coolabali out of Metropolitans. 910 01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,599 Just seems like he's trending in that direction right now. Messiah Jerry has not 911 01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:30,119 been unwilling to take wings on international prospects, and these raw athletic wings before. 912 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:34,239 I'd be really curious to see what he and Scotty Barnes look like together 913 01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:38,039 on defense long term. And finally, the Pelicans at number fourteen, My 914 01:02:38,159 --> 01:02:43,480 boy Kobe Buffkin going here. I think that in New Orleans they need to 915 01:02:43,519 --> 01:02:46,199 continue to thread the needle between guys who can play on ball and off ball. 916 01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:50,039 Next to a Zion Williamson type of court. They need a little bit 917 01:02:50,079 --> 01:02:53,360 more rim pressure. Buffkin shot seventy seven zero percent at the rim this year. 918 01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:57,960 Is a six four guard. He's also a very good shooter from beyond 919 01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,159 the range. And yeah he's got some l to him on the defensive end 920 01:03:00,159 --> 01:03:05,599 too, very pelicany type of player here at fourteen, here's open Kelsey from 921 01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:08,440 Discord as a Pelicans fan. Then, since they wanted to see some more 922 01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:14,920 top fifteen love for for Kobe Buffin Spins. This was great. Are you 923 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:19,079 able to tell our listeners where they can find you and all the fantastic work 924 01:03:19,199 --> 01:03:22,280 that you put out. I am so able and I am happy to do 925 01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,320 so. Anyone out there who wants to find more draft covers that I put 926 01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:28,639 out, go to my Twitter page at the box in one underscore. It 927 01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,199 links to where I have all my other work. You can find me on 928 01:03:31,239 --> 01:03:35,480 YouTube with my name Adam Spinella. A lot of scouting reports, mock drafts 929 01:03:35,519 --> 01:03:37,920 and big boards over there, and then on my substack page the box in 930 01:03:38,039 --> 01:03:42,880 one dot substack dot com. I have the written companions that go with those 931 01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,440 videos, put them into context a little bit more and talk about where I 932 01:03:45,519 --> 01:03:50,639 project all these players out to be so great resource for people. As we're 933 01:03:50,679 --> 01:03:52,679 about two weeks away from the draft here, can't believe that the end is 934 01:03:52,719 --> 01:03:57,119 coming, but I am eyeing that finish line so I can get some fucking 935 01:03:57,119 --> 01:04:00,760 sleep. The link to that spins a substack will be in the podcast on 936 01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:05,559 YouTube description, So go clicking and subscribe, consume all that fantastic work Spins. 937 01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:09,840 Thank you. As always, I am related that in a few weeks 938 01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:11,760 I'm you will be going to get some sleep, and I hope you were 939 01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,239 able to steal some obviously in between now and I will be talking to you 940 01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:15,079 very very ste